May 21, 2021 Public Art Committee on 2021-05-21 4:00 PM (SPECIAL CALLED MEETING)

We'll start the meeting at 402 and open for May 21st and the first, we'll do the world roll first. So, Mone Franklin here, Ed Steele here, Meredith Ewing here, Adam Chamberlain here, Alicia Egert here, Joey Lecce is unexcused absence, Michelle Lynn is absent, Frederick Nicholson, and then Georgina Ngozi, I was here, I'm sorry, assuming Georgina is absent, we'll move along to item A, is considered approval for the minutes of April 16th, 2021. Motion to approve. And on second, if one in favor, Ed, hi, Meredith, hi, Adam, hi, Alicia, hi, Fred, I am my phone case muting, that's weird, everyone's in favor, in item B, receive report and hold discussion and give staff direction regarding the original district's application for the Texas Commission on the Arts, TCA, arts response to the cultural district project grant program. Okay, this is an item for an application for a grant for the TCA, and we're looking to do some renovations and improvements to the stage in Quaker Town Park. What we're proposing to do is make actual enhancements to the stage itself, beautify it, and then put a roof on the building and some backdrop that would be part of that structure. The proposed grant application is for $100,000 at this time, we're finalizing that number, but we're thinking the project's about $200,000 in total to be $100,000 match. Any questions? This is the same grant application that was applied for last year for the DWIF monument, and I think it was $26,000, if I can remember correctly. So there has to be a letter of support from the ODD district, and that's what this is requesting. This will actually go to city council as well. Any questions? Comments? I have one question. With the improvements to the stage, is it looking to be able to be used at nighttime, meaning there would be lights added on within that roofing structure? Great, do we just ... I guess we would need a motion for consideration. Motion to approve? I'll second. Everyone in favor? Aye. Aye. Absolutely, aye. Aye. I'm here now. Aye. Michelle's here. Yes. Everyone is in favor? Yes. Okay. Let me move on to item C, which is kind of the same thing as the ... C is receive report and hold discussion and get staff direction regarding the letter of support from the original district for application be made for the Tejas Storytelling Association for the Texas Commission of the Arts in response to the cultural district grant program. This is for the same grant application. This is for storytelling for a little bit less for their operations programming, and the total was $7,000, and that's for the 2022 storytelling festival. Grants have to be completed. The grant cycle runs from September 1 to August 31. Motion to approve? I'll second. Hi. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Everyone's in favor? Thank you. And item D is receive report and hold discussion and get staff input regarding the status of the following public art committee projects, one, the North Lakes Dog Park, two, the Roland Vela Athletic Complex, three, the Tennis Center, four, Fire Station number three, five, the MLK Project, and six is the Interracial Fellowship Monument, and seven is the Carroll Boulevard Art Trail, Dallas and Teasley Sculptures and Bonnevay Bray Roundabouts. Okay. I'm going to be bringing that up just give me a quick moment here. Just a quick comment, Shalon and Caroline, do you mind turning your cameras on since your staff? Alright can everybody see the screen now? Yes. Okay. Very good. All right. We'll just take these like we normally would. We have the North Lakes Dog Park. Again, that's a budget of $35,000, their subcommittee and are essentially the statuses, the approval of proposal that was went before council. It was actually put on the consent agenda that was approved by council on Tuesday on the 18th. And so right now the contract is being finalized and PO is being cut and we are starting physically on that project, as far as the artist being able to create that sculpture. So we're moving right along with the particular one. John, what's the projected timeline? The projected timeline is hopefully we'll have this one done by the end of August. Some of the delays we had changed a little bit in there. So we're going to have to look at that real hard. And I've got had a quick meeting with the artist yesterday on the phone. And so he's just waiting for the time to get going. But he's fairly confident that they'll be able to do it by that time. John, do we intend to pull the subcommittee together for the color selection? Yes. That was mentioned in the last time that some of the color selection that that pistols, maybe somebody wanted a little bit more vibrant. And so we'll remit with that to talk about it. Just to refresh the memories, the materials was aircraft aluminum, and that was a powder coated aircraft aluminum. But there are some other shades and so on that are more vibrant that some of the members thought that might be a better look for that particular thing. So we'll get together and take a look at what kind of a palette of colors that are available for this. I'll get that from the artist. But that particular design feature doesn't have to be really implemented until very close to the almost finished fabrication time. So we actually have 30 to 45 days to be able to look at that. Okay, I'll move on to the next slide. This is still in fabrication and it seems to be coming along very well. I haven't had an immediate contact from the artist right at this time. But it looks like they're moving and will be able to produce this within the time frame. So right now we are looking at about mid July from the last time I saw. Just a quick update on the foundation, Drew, would you like to kind of explain what you guys are working on? Yes, so on the foundation through your recommendations, the concrete work started today to put the planters around the art pedestal. And so we a couple weeks ago, we installed the conduit for the irrigation and the lighting for that sculpture. And then the concrete work started, like I said, this week actually started today for them forming up for the new planter beds that will go around that sculpture. And that's the planter beds and those changes were a result of council members that had asked to have a less ability to reach out and touch that particular sculpture because of heat concerns and that. And so softening it up a little bit around the base with the planter and bringing water to it and giving a little distance between that and where people would touch it is appropriate. Tennis center, the rest of the tennis center is really coming along. We have the main field house area there, the clubhouse is pretty much done. Hope to have had a meeting before this, but we had a lot of other projects that were running along, but it looks like we can start that. So I will be getting with people starting this next week to look at that. Well, first of all, we'll come up with a few possible locations. I'll share some photos and various things of that before we have a meeting so we can make sure we can discuss that. So right now, those subcommittee members that we've got are Franklin Nicholson and Steele. Fire Station 3, currently the call for artists is out in the wild and that is getting a few good hits from it. I've been contacted by eight different artists on being able to submit for this particular project and some of them are from bronze all the way to some very interesting styles of sculpture. So it's going to be a very eclectic look once all these things come in, so that's going to be very interesting for it. Now, those call for proposals are due on May 28th and so once those happen, I'll take those and I'll get them into a visible form and we'll be able to meet on those particular occasions. And for that particular one, we have Franklin and Steele for that subcommittee. MLK Jr. sculpture is still moving along. I think it's just passing between the rough fabrication of those sculptures and to the finer sculpting at this particular time. Where next steps that we're currently doing in the department is we're going to be preparing the site there for those sculptures and so the flag poles are coming and being moved and we're going to be preparing some landscaping around that area and pouring a pad and then doing a stamp concrete around that where they would be sitting on it. And Drew, I think you mentioned that you would have oak leaves pressed into that. So working with the artist, she wanted to have kind of a non-traditional stamp concrete to where typically stamp concrete comes in a roll and everything is really squared and it looks, I don't want to say this, almost like you're doing tile work, everything straight. She wanted the leaves to look like they fell on the concrete when the concrete was wet. So we found post oak leaf stamps and we're going to intermittently just stamp the concrete like the leaves fell on them or fell on the concrete and then it'll be poking out underneath the sculpture and they'll be in the walkway so there'll just be a little bit of everywhere. All right, next item, the DWAF monument is coming along. I honestly am in contact with the artist Dina Fischer virtually every day. She's getting very close to finalizing the rest of the designs. We've actually included a few things here that you can see some of that progress for it. One thing that didn't make it in time for this meeting was that she actually produced a video of holding up some of the designs and we're going like this and so you'll see four or five different pictures just by doing that different angle on that for that lenticular art. So I think it's going to be very interesting. We have run by all of the names to be historically accurate, Lenny McAdams and Pat Cheek were both a part of that group to review that and they've also seen, I know that Lenny has seen the final design for the lenticular art and has just followed them a little bit with it. And so I think other people will be able to see that very soon too. Again, that project needs to be completed by August, the end of August, because some of those are funds through the hot funds. So the actual park area, so this is, you won't recognize industrial street park very well here. This side here is an industrial street. This side here is towards the parking lot over in the side. And so this is getting pretty close to the final design of this area where there'll be steps coming in, the name of the park will be posted through here on the steps and these beds that you see here, this is where that lenticular art, these pieces go. And so literally as people walk up, they will see some moment in time or some saying all the way through that until they get past that. So there'd be each side of this is also active. So if they walk on this side of that, they'll see all of those art pieces too. This looks like it's just color, but in reality it's quotes, it's pictures of people and all around the edges are all the names of the people that were on the DWIF. So that's what the people as they get introduced to the park from industrial street will be able to see. And that's four sides in about four different angles. And so there's a tremendous number of pictures and things in each one of these items. As people come on in, there's going to be concrete walkways. If you've been out there, you know that this is a very difficult area to keep the sod growing in the summertime. It's really hot and it's difficult to keep things growing. And if you get any traffic on it, it wears away that. And so what we're proposing is to put in sod, not sod, but artificial turf in here that stays cool. And other than having to do concrete or something that it's not really practical. So that's what this area would be, and then the art piece here is this curtain wall as we're calling it, curves like this, and this is more like a little amphitheater type of area. And they'll be able to walk all the way around the sculpture and there will be a seating area of concrete benches through here. And then there'll be the red buds all through over that particular area. We have brand new ADA accessible ramps through here and then on the back side through here. And right over here is where we have the handicap parking for it. And so it's very accessible. If using a wheelchair, come right in here, enjoy it and get around all the different parts of it and through the park. As a quick reminder of some of the things that goes to the curtain wall looks like this stainless steel rods hold everything together and people can walk around and they get a different angle of all this stuff. And one of the cool things is that they do have the app for the phone that they'll be able to view that. Some of those will bring up the person talking so that UNT did through some of their oral history program, they recorded many of the people and they have what they said about that particular ADA by evidence accomplishments at that time. So it's going to be a very, very instructional but also very colorful and beautiful piece as it goes. Some of the bollards that we saw earlier were more of a rectangular originally. The artist elected to be able to change the bollard to one of these types that will have a wrap of that same type of material around each one of those pieces that kind of looks like over here. John, can you explain the ability to change and update those panels? Each one of these, if let's say that somebody else comes in that wasn't a part of it, another piece can be put in and some of these moved around at different times to be able to modify some of the story if that's need be. There are quite a few sayings that you can see here, quotes, and those were many of those were provided through some of the histories that we've actually the artist found and through Lenny McAdam to be able to provide those kind of quotes for it. So we have those kind of opportunities if we need to update at some point. Okay, one of the new ones that we would look at coming in here is we have the Carroll Boulevard art trail and so we've identified some funding to be able to work with that. It's kind of to be determined on how much can actually be spent on any particular area. So in Carroll Boulevard, there's three different spots that are there, we can take a look at some of those. And so here's one of them close to panhandle on Carroll Boulevard. And so this particular star item here is where that would be generally located. And then I'm not really sure how close this one is to another area, but that's another one where that comes back out to the street. And then again, this one here, as it comes through here in this particular area here, it's like there's a small decorative shade structure in that particular location. It actually looks like a doghouse, but we're just going to call it a shade structure. Okay, then another spot over here, very close to Crescent, I guess there are four locations there. Another one that we can bring forward because of some of the monies that we were able to move from some of the medallions at the I-35. And we'll be able to look at about $311,000, Gary, to be able to look at all these things to fund the Carroll Street and to fund this particular one here, the Bonnie Bray Roundtable sculpture. A quick video or a picture of that. So we have Scripture Street and Bonnie Bray, and you can see that this is an area right in the middle there to be able to place that one. And so that will have a lot of visibility. As this area gets built out because of the new medical facilities that are there, this is getting to be a very busy street and intersection. And if anybody's been there and tried the roundabout, it's moving along and keeping things going very well. So that is the basic location for that particular one. We have another opportunity, which is the Dallas and Teasley sculpture. That's right at the intersection of Dallas Drive and Teasley Lane. And this is one here. We still have to figure out what we want to be able to fund that. So literally, we'll have this certain amount of money that we'll be able to divvy up on basically the scope of each of those particular projects. So our next step is really to finalize locations on all of these and then determine whatever the art style is that we would like in those particular locations for it. And so Dallas and Teasley. So you have Dallas Drive and Teasley running this particular way. And this particular little, I guess this little pocket park area, this star here, or where the location can be in a variety of spots in here. This doesn't necessarily have to be right there for that one. But that's one of the other proposed locations in the past. And then we have another item that we can throw out here too. Now in Arlington, they have this particular sculpture, it's called Dream. And what was the artist's name, Gary? It is Schomburg. And so it's a sculpture and this has a lot of holes in it because it's lit internally. And so if you see this during the day, it looks like this at night. And this has been, in Arlington, one of those favorite places now to take graduation photos for high school, for college. And so at any particular time, their newspaper there is reporting that they've got kids in their cap and gown out there showing that they're dreaming big for it. That's their particular idea of this. And this artist usually takes a single word like that that is more inspirational. And so we were thinking that we could come up with a word that also represents Denton and do the same type of thing if that's the direction that we receive from the Public Art Committee. Hey, John, and another idea we had was the word music. I know a few weeks ago, a few months ago that we decided or the PAC decided that really the theme of a lot of I-35 would be music. And so the music theme kind of going along with Denton and really not to copy what this artist did, but maybe to get some what we call inspiration from it is go with the word. If we went with a word, it would be the word music. And then you could cut out different types of musical instruments instead of the bird that this artist did in those letters. So you know, you have a saxophone and a trumpet and a guitar, you know, just kind of going along with with that cut out. So that was the idea. So it says looks like doves type of cutouts, but also all across here in the concrete in this little plaza area are impressed for stamp concrete using those particular design features for it. Yeah, this this the first picture is actually right next to the 11th Pavilion, that one. And then the second one is actually at Burning Man in Nevada that was at Burning Man and then came straight to Arlington that September. So it was it was out in the desert for that. But just to kind of go back and give you a little bit more detail, we we had money in a prior Bond project for the medallions down near Bucky's and Lillian Miller. And because of construction issues that never occurred, there was discussion about putting them on pedestals and the pack chose not to go in that direction. And I think that following that there was a discussion about gateway signage and and the pack decided that, you know, signage is not art. So we we actually had come back and proposed Carroll Boulevard at the time and Dallas and Teasley in Eagle and Elm, which the pack was interested in. That was probably maybe almost two years ago at this time. And then more recently, we discussed the improvements on I-35 and that's where we had the discussion about putting the medallions in stamped concrete or art music related impressions in the retaining walls on I-35. We've had a number of discussions with TechStat regarding that, in fact, one this morning and we're working in that direction. They that's going to be left, but it's going to be about three or four years before that project is actually done. So it'll be under construction for a while. The money that we were going to use is bond money and we presented to the Bond Oversight Committee about two weeks ago and they recommended that we use this that funding sooner than later, rather than sit on it for another few years. So at that point in time, we wanted to come back to you with some additional ideas to use that three hundred and eleven thousand dollars. And then for the enhancements on I-35, we did get awarded first place in the Governor's Achievement Award for Keep Dentin Beautiful. So we're getting two hundred and ninety thousand dollars of TechStat appropriations for beautification along TechStat roadways. So we do have that and then between now and 2025, we'll find the additional funding if we want to do some additional enhancements along the interstate. So we wanted to present to you ideas and options. We could certainly get a subcommittee going and have these discussions a little more detail so we can iron the locations out and what the themes would be. But currently we have three hundred and eleven thousand dollars in that bond account that could be used for transportation related art. So anything along the thoroughfare is what we're looking at. So would that be like a standard open call type of a situation or is it like this dream sculpture that you showed us? Would it be potentially like a purchase situation where like a sculpture already exists and the public art committee would just decide to try to purchase something? Well I guess if you wanted to go with the theme of, you know, a specific word, we could put an RFP out and have artists put together different types of design, font, style, you know, metal, whatever it would be based on their proposal and in the budget. This artist here I think typically stands in the general same kind of size. It's all one word like love, dream, those types of things. I reached out to them just to see if the word music was available, it sounds like it is. So we could talk to them directly or we could just put out a call for design at whatever direction you wanted to go. The other sculptures if you wanted to do on Carol, you could do the same artist in pairs of three or you could do three different completely artists, different styles, designs. So we could do them individually by location, we could put one out for each of Carol or you could do them in groups if you'd like. And you have an opportunity to tell a story too if you had them done in groups, let's say the ones on Carol, something sequentially they'd be walking by. I can definitely see why that dream sculpture is successful in terms of attracting people to go there and do photo shoots and why we would want a similar thing for Denton. And I can also understand why the word music would be a strong choice in terms of representing something that is a very strong component of the arts here in Denton. However, I think as an artist who works a lot with text and words in my own work, I think the difference between the word dream and the word music is quite large in terms of like dream could obviously inspires this idea of like forward thinking and the future and can mean kind of like something very universal but also something like slightly different for each person because obviously each person has their own individual dreams, right? And I think that the word music represents Denton but I don't necessarily think it inspires the same sense of, I don't know, whatever that sense is that the word dream inspires, I don't think the word music necessarily inspires that and not everyone would be as inclined to like relate to it in a similar way, right? So I think I like the idea of a sculpture that becomes iconic like that but I don't think the word music would necessarily have the same effect if that makes any sense. So I would be inclined to have a discussion about whether or not that word is something that we really want to focus on or if we as a committee want to choose a word or if we want to sort of allow the artist to choose the word because I think also like as an artist who works with words, like sometimes like the combination of the typeface of that word dream and the doves that make it and then the light within it, they all kind of like work together so I would be more inclined to let the artist kind of like come up with the word if that makes any sense. Or maybe have the artist provide a couple of words rather than just one that the subcommittee could select from and I agree dream is both a noun and a verb and music is a noun there's no action there it's just music which is great but dream has a lot more power behind it. When everyone has dreams and maybe not everyone's dream involves music, I love this thinking that Alicia and Ed have, would it be possible to consider a symbol then that may have more complex meaning or more multiple meanings? Well maybe the idea where music really you know that's us trying to find dentin whereas that image dream is a different definition for whoever's standing in front of it. It's finding that imagery that is personal to whoever's in front of it as opposed to being a descriptor of a place. Yeah the word dream really tied in perfectly with obviously what you guys just explained but it's also American Dream City is what they branded themselves so they tied it in with their new logo and new brand for the city so it really came together perfectly for them. What is Denton's logo? That's a flag with the word Denton. Maybe this is our chance to uh we'll be the new branders for Denton with what I can call it. It used to be just a d. I love the idea of doing a call that is like a call for artists to come up with an idea of you know of an iconic kind of a sculpture that could potentially lead to our own branding and you know there there could be like a description of Denton's history with music and all the other things that we're really proud of and then maybe yeah artist. Does the word does the word play relate to dream in a similar way where you could play you know could be action, exercise, could be music? It does I don't think so that people are going to want to photograph themselves in front of the word play as much as they would. I get that. It's a really it will sound better it'll be really interesting um what maybe people could come up with because when I think of Denton now that I've lived here for like 20 years and I've become very involved um here when I think of Denton I don't think about music or necessarily the College of Music or you know anything that maybe people outside of our city would think of I think about the and it just sounds so cheesy but like I really I think about the people and I think about the people who are you know when we had the winter storm who were busting their booties out you know risking their own health to help others and all of these crazy non-profits that we have here in Denton for the people and like just the caring and I know that that's that that might be too specific for Denton but I mean it'd be nice for people if we do a call for them to kind of maybe have a Dentonite or just someone who can learn more about people or you know as a community like it would be nice to kind of have something like you know that kind of connects not just people in Denton but people to people and like have it it's only an open call I would respond to it myself I don't know if that's allowed but it's only uh it's only one more letter it's only one more letter but you could have it say Denton instead of dream yep less inspiring but you know just an idea many different ways we could go since Denton is kind of its own you know the thing you see Denton brought up in so many different ways and that are unusual so just an idea well think of oak street has the little d what if you just had a lower case d I don't know if there's there were some issues with like the d music symbol I think there were some I don't know if the city owns that design or not I just think but that's an idea it's really hard to inspire people and like this is what artists do right like this is what like it's hard for us as a committee to come up with the idea that's gonna be the thing that everyone wants to see and photographs themselves and so that shouldn't we shouldn't try to make that our jobs we should allow artists to do that job you know I was thinking about one of the phrases uses Denton as north of ordinary and who'd want to have their picture taken in front of a big thing says ordinary it's like no I don't think so oh you could go the original you could go odd right ODD yeah that's the original Denton district and I do like the idea of using the word Denton because it is pretty unique and kind of has a artistic or or a art connotation but maybe we could use the fonts or the symbols could be kind of taken from different art even music symbols or notes that could you know signify music or art in general doesn't have to be necessarily all music notes but paintbrush and other things but still spell out didn't with like a multi you know tiered or multi use of of fonts kind of to make a large scale you know word word then I know I'm not a designer but I mean I'm just saying maybe the word didn't does kind of stick and it is you know I mean you can't really go wrong by using the term it the actual term itself or what you're trying to just to the signal it's a good idea we could have a giant Scrabble board I'll tell you what is what I'll do is I'll throw together a few things and see if we can get a subcommittee that together for these I think we only had some suggested subcommittees in the past Gary I think that's that's really what we have we didn't have anybody specifically that were had signed up for the Carroll Street let's say or this other particular art piece here so I think we need to get some subcommittees going for those we want to maybe put a subcommittee together for the for a couple pieces kind of make it easy for everybody so not everyone's jumping back and forth between different subcommittees so maybe take this this this $300,000 whether it's Carol the the word art and just pick out a scope and a budget for each one of those with one subcommittee so we're talking about a couple different projects though right like there's the there's the funding for the highway thing and then there's also the Carroll Boulevard so there's the roundabout the Carroll Boulevard and the Teasley Dallas are those the locations or is there a potential other location as well well we could we could come up with with any location you that you could think of there the dream the dream the music word we were thinking of maybe you know just kind of throwing out an idea to get things started was right there at Dallas and Dell up on the the hill on the railroad tracks where it gave it even a little bit more height and there was some space there but it could we could really come up with ideas anywhere I can show that particular one here let's see if I can share my screen again I just happened to pull that in case we needed it so this is the Bell and Eagle here and so the railroad tracks here there's a hill that runs from the street there's no sidewalk but it does run along this particular direction here so if you go north of those trees there's a long it kind of starts tapering down all the way over to Robertson that might not be the best location but that was just something that we had thought about it's definitely a drive-by rather than foot traffic because there's no walkway no path along that way yeah and we talked about that too we could definitely build one if that was a location that was picked so don't discourage you like an over footpath is that what you're saying yes we could do a winding footpath up to it and then coming back because it would have to be winding to make it ADA accessible to meet all those right those those degrees on the slants yeah someone who has like ridden my bike down Eagle and then made that turn onto Dallas Drive that is definitely not very pedestrian friendly so this is a great opportunity to make that area more interesting well and obviously whatever we choose is going to be amazing and people are going to want to take pictures in front of it so we don't want anyone to yeah where would they park too I wonder if they were to know it's we'll drive fast people are yeah that location is problematic for parking and just people running in front of cars and people not paying attention it's not a very pretty location honestly we're gonna beautify it but there's still a pawn shop and a vape shop and like a bunch of closed stuff down there you know it's it's not where you would dream or achieve or inspire or love or whatever word you put that's not the place I would think of as the first place to stop my car and walk over and take my picture in front of that with the pawn shop in the back you know we'll look at a few other possible locations that throughout the city I do like the idea though of the potential for putting something there that changes that area and makes it more desirable and makes people love it and put more care in I agree I think it can be done for sure and if it's not this piece maybe it's a different art piece that could go there you know next time you drive by it if you look at it it really kind of comes from from the ground level from Robertson and it goes all the way up to those trees so you could almost put something that kind of follows that terrain and put lights on it you know like dominoes but not not specific that's probably a bad example but something that that could create some depth especially at night time could be kind of neat this might be a question for you later Gary or I don't know who I would ask but but in terms of like when subcommittees or whatever are formed for these projects like if me as an artist if I'm like oh this is something that I might want to apply for would I just recuse myself from participating in that yeah yes that would be the best the best choice okay do we have any other questions John do we need to ask for nominations or for the subcommittee so yes I think what we've identified is we really have kind of two subcommittees may be here or it depends on what the committee wants to do but definitely it would probably be best just for everybody's time to make sure that one subcommittee does carol drive at least and then another could be looking at the other locations the roundabout and the the eagle in and Dallas Drive type of one at the same time even though the eagle and Dallas Drive one hasn't sold wait not the eagle and Dallas Drive they went over it that what is that Teasley and and Bell yeah or Teasley and Dallas Drive I'm getting all confused as Dallas and Teasley hit it Dallas and Teasley okay yeah all right so Dallas and Teasley and those as that's the possibility and then continue looking for something for the single word one as a kind of key sculpture in those because I think that you can definitely get some really good bang for your buck moving along carol boulevard and so even having a single artist be able to do a call for a single artist to do those or in the scope is tell a story with three different pieces of art because literally if somebody's going along that trail they're going to see all three of those out on that particular trail so it'll be nice and then one of those actually has a little shade in the rest structure that's there that the little doghouse that we had in the picture and that could be right there for something that takes a little bit more viewing side of it so it depends on what that subcommittee would like to be able to see so I think that's definitely one that would be a really good subcommittee one and then maybe a second subcommittee to be able to do the other two areas and then we'll take a look at the single word one as uh as another example or it will form that one the single word one I would expect would have to have more funding for it because thou just to scope is going to require a lot more money than something a little bit smaller that would fit on carol boulevard let's say so right now the uh fire station is the law firm of franklin lin and steel and then the tennis center is the law firm of franklin nick nick nicholson and steel sounds like two dentin law firms there for you there you go subcommittees now should should we should we volunteer yeah that'd be great this would be a great time I would volunteer for the carol boulevard I live right here there okay so the carol boulevard we have alisha um I'd like I could I'd like to do carol okay thanks Meredith I'd like to are we volunteering for the word one also or is that later uh later we'll get to that one I volunteer for the carol boulevard one as well okay thanks Adam okay we've got three people for the carol boulevard and now we need a group for the roundabout and the uh gallison teasley I would do that one as well okay I'll volunteer for gallison teasley thanks Adam do we have another Meredith you're willing to I'm going to be moving soon if you need someone you can put me down for now but I probably wouldn't be available at the conclusion of the project so uh I'm actually going to be moving abroad but not till next calendar year okay oh wow yeah congratulations thank you I'm retiring wow I'm so jealous but not yet I still have one last I have almost a year left to go well it sounds like you'd still be here for the selection process side of it so we'll put you down for that yeah I'm just selling my house now because the market is good so I'm going to be around till next March because when we get to construction we're going to need a cut out of you that we can kind of put up close to it there you go you'll be there in spirit just like that I will well yeah okay now now we have the word I'm just going to call it the name of the project is the word so who would like to do that I think Alicia you've already bowed out of that one I'd like to be a part of that one oh Adam okay thank you I'll do that one oh so Mane Meredith has two or three has two or three are you trying to make a larger statement Meredith you really want to do that one you're monopolizing that with my taste and vision no I'm not but yeah I'd like I'm super interested in that one I can bow out of another one but that's my first choice all right then that that's our projects and let me read that back so Carroll Boulevard we have Alicia, Meredith, and Adam and then for the roundabout in Dallas and Heazel we have Alicia, Ed, and Michelle and for the word we have Adam, Mane, and Meredith did I get that right great I think that's the end of that topic Mane item E receive report and hold discussion and give staff input on the request of the City Council develop a work session on the creation of the public-private partnership from the funding of the interactive fountain at Razor Ranch Park okay let me work to get that one up on the screen slipping back and forth sometimes can get a little bit bad okay this looks a little weird to me what does that look cutting off is it cutting off all right let me stop share and I'm gonna have to do something a little different let me try that again much better okay sometimes those powerpoint presentations fight each other okay during one of our council meetings we had a request from council member Davis and what he was proposing and this is like these one-minute type of proposals they do to be able to take a look at something a little bit different than they normally do and so one of those actually the start of one of those was the DWIF monument which was proposed by a council member council member Metzler now mayor pretend that's there and so now we have one that's been proposed by council member Davis and so they would like to get some kind of response back from the public art committee so that we would need to form a subcommittee to take a look at this and to review the development of some type of public private partnership for the future of the project and then form a subcommittee it can be the same one to review possible designs construction costs and any ongoing maintenance costs that are involved so they're really looking at some kind of a feasibility study to be able to do some type of signature art piece that's also an interactive fountain and so if you're asking and wondering what that might look like here's the rotary fountain at riverfront park in spokane washington and so during the day you can see that it performs just like a spray ground or spray park for people in the community and so there's businesses and other things around and you can see a lot of fun activities that are going in this particular area in the park and they've got water sprays the kids run through and different things during that time and then at night time when it's closed for the people to run through it it becomes a very decorative very nicely lit fountain in the evening time and so it provides a couple of different things it provides really a nice art view and it provides activities in the community and it has proven to be a very significant draw of people to the park to to get greater visitation and also to the area downtown where the park is for people to enjoy the businesses and the restaurants and various things in the community which is why they proposed this original thing and so at spokane the rotary club took the lead in being able to raise funds for this particular project now originally uh they had estimated a cost of around a million dollars to be able to do this particular fountain that's just giving you an idea of how the budgets would work and that actually grew to 1.2 million after they ran into a few technical difficulties with it uh and the fountain was built and commissioned at that particular time some things that make people may not know about these this is not potable water something like out of the the city's water system and you'll see many fountains that just use that and most of the time that water has gone to just waste but anytime you throw people into the mix where that needs to be in direct contact with people like a swimming pool it falls under the state's health codes and so it needs to be uh run exactly like any spray ground does and so the spray ground at carlion park that type of an arrangement for it now just the spray ground over there i think gary what was the budget for that because i wasn't here during that it was it was four hundred thousand dollars john okay four hundred thousand dollars and since then we put the bath the bathrooms in right yes so how much was the 150 000 and so to be able to operate this normally in the state of texas you'd have to have restrooms that are close by you'd have to have some form of showers for it and literally underground here you have this large basin of water so think of an underground swimming pool that nobody gets in because that water is pumped out of that underground pool into these sprays and then when it comes back down it's filtered it's chemically treated and in the state of texas we would have a secondary disinfection system probably ultraviolet light which is what we have been using in all the other swimming pools and so that will tend to drive up the cost of some of these for it so you're really you're buying a swimming pool that you're erecting a piece of art above it now the rotary fountain that you see here isn't the only one that's out there uh that's used in this particular way but it was the only one that i could find in a few weeks time that had a public private type of an arrangement for it where you had a group like the rotaries do that we of course have our parks foundation and um and brooke more would want to take a look at this we've talked to her briefly about this that kind of involvement but we really haven't had that kind of fundraising for a single piece for that amount of money that i could find for denton and so that would be one of the challenges i think is to be able to identify enough partners that really want to be able to do this uh and council member davis his proposal was to do this over at razor ranch as a featured item to be able to bring more people to that park area and of course all the businesses and various agencies around razor ranch park or for it so that's what we have uh you can find variations of this type of sculpture in many other places this one is really just a water sculpture and so what you actually see in both of those pictures is exactly the same kind of sprays that it does it doesn't really vary that much you can go to places like in branson missouri and they use music flames lights and water sprays all moving computerized to move and tell stories and various things you can literally go online and and look at the schedule of music that they're going to play at any particular time of day to go watch a performance of this particular fountain now it's not one that is available for kids to get into fire and kids don't usually mix but that's another example of something very extreme but and that's a couple million dollars to about five million dollars to do and the only other one now that is local in the state that we've been able to discover is that 10 million dollar fountain that is going to go in at clide warn park in dallas has anyone heard of that one so far okay and that one will be one that um it's enough sprays and things it's not directly meant for for kids but it will be one that is going to be uh coordinated with music and sprays and doing those things with it so with that we'll go ahead and open it up for questions there's a nice little one in oklahoma city right downtown there's a waterfall park that looks like a water feature you might want to look at that one okay we'll do and one of our park planners jason donnell he has come up with quite a list of different ones that are around but each one of them has been built with grant monies uh with but not this public-private type partnership piece to it so we're really having a hard time melding those together to give the committee something to work with i mean you have to have some data to be able to look at to see if that's going to be feasible i love the idea of um you know if we can get the funding to make this water feature happen um the idea of this temporary public art programs that we've talked about putting into place like one potential avenue we could explore is um like if there is um a way that we could sink the water with music or um even like projection onto the water um we would do sort of like an annual open call for that sort of a temporary project where a musician or a projection artist would get to use the water feature for their work i've seen them uh artists do laser projections onto mist and so they'll create a light sculpture that particular way there's a swimming pool in schomburg illinois where at the end of the slide they have a ring formed and that ring has sprays that come out and they shoot a laser against it and so you'll have uh pretty stars and various things but the kids really like the one where they get down there and the shark opens its mouth just as they go through the ring uh so that that's it's art and but it's something that can be updated and and done so you'll think of it as what's temporary type of art and that could be used in that particular way but i haven't seen it done in like a city park right now there's someplace there's someplace i saw that was actually interactive where they had the um the mist screen with a projector and they had a basically a touch screen that you can draw your own imagery and it would show up on the mist so it became an interactive display as well and really the the idea behind this is they wanted a water feature at razor ranch and so uh at like the new ranger stadium there's a water feature as you walk in and what it is it's just a really large concrete pad and it has water jets that come out of it and of course nolan ryan's at the front of it his statue is so like what alicia said if you wanted to do something to work you'd switch that art out we could always put an art pedestal in the middle that could obviously get wet and have the you know the the pedestal be there and then the the water shoot around it and then with all the technology that we have today that you could program the lights in the jet and then it could all the and this is what the ranger stadium does also is the lights are in the jet and then it programmed it's programmable to the music that's playing you know on the outside of the stadium so that music's dancing up and down the lights are coming different colors and of course you have nolan ryan standing in the middle of it so uh we could obviously do something like that because really in the end they wanted a water feature there so how could we incorporate art into that water feature and not turn it into you know a five million dollar piece to where we could turn it into a really nice splash pad that would probably be around the five six hundred thousand dollar mark and then obviously we have the art pedestal like alicia you know we could and then we could switch that art out and so i really like that idea and how we can incorporate what others have done and then add that that really that really a splash pad so it'd be a splash pad with art so yeah and i don't think the art has to be on a pedestal like yeah it wouldn't have to be but yeah you know yeah yeah because nolan i think he stands on something about six inches tall so um my my question um to alicia's idea was having um you know these temporary art projects and bringing in kind of uh more contemporary i guess like new media artists or light music artists that could use that as kind of like their canvas and maybe have uh you know performance nights i don't know whatever but um is that something that just kind of all of these fountains are capable of doing at this point or do we is that kind of a specification that we need to look for going forward you'd have to specify those okay i think that would we would i would personally want to look into that going forward just to keep our options but council member davis was in his vision that he showed especially with the spokane um that riverfront one was very significant piece that's a very signature piece he was looking at and something a little more permanent of what it was and so i think what he's asking for is you know kind of this feasibility study of taking a look at is that something we could do in net and do we have uh available partners that may want to align to help be able to fund that and then to how do we then create um something moving forward such as how much is that going to cost to operate and what would be the the maintenance type of issues that could show up that would have to be funded by the city in the future for it um ideally if you raise a plenty of money to be able to build it that you suck some of that away uh as um kind of an endowment to be able to take care of it um similar to how like universities will do many of those things but we are not there at that this particular point and so i think what they're asking is that we need to just is this feasible this is something that um the public art committee can get behind to be able to support uh and so i think we see a subcommittee to take a look at those those two items there that we had to be able to explore and we can obviously put together what his initial idea was you know council member davis's idea and now what what our idea or what you know the pack's idea is today and say this is what your you know initial thing is this is what it's going to cost this is what the you know the the pack is put together and then this is what it's going to cost that way we can show those two variables and and really tell that story on kind of what now what now what you your idea is to have here so and what i think alicia was saying having something a little smaller or something that but you don't if you build the fountain pieces that are not to be played in it changes the whole nature of the supporting things for it but if you build it for to be played in that's where it gets a bit more expensive to operate that's great i like it we have any volunteers for that subcommittee i would do it okay alicia thank you i would say i mean i would do it does anyone there does he want to okay i don't i'm just really excited maybe it's just like coming like i'm just really excited about all these things yeah i like the word interactive so i'll be involved in it i love the interaction so adam okay you want to think about a potential partner could be more on the technology side like you know to think about a partner who could bring a level of technology to this fountain that would allow us to make it like a tool that different artists could utilize to bring different projects into existence right so right now i have alicia meredith and adam as the uh subcommittee for that so we all good okay and and john just to give i like to be optimistic we did have one project where we did raise quite a bit of money and that was uh eureka 2 and it was just a little over a million dollars and so it wasn't just that wasn't what you per se a pra a public private partnership that was really going out and raising money for for that playground so we could definitely i just wanted to shine some light and show that we we can raise that kind of money we just have to to get busy so i think a key like what drew just said if it's public private who in that immediate area so if a location such as council member davis located at at razor ranch who has uh interest in their whose businesses are around that would benefit from having this is like where does the money come from for clied warden park it came from everything around it and so this is the same thing is that's the starting point is who's close by who has an interest in in that and so that's where that the first steps would happen and the 10 million that they're doing for the fountain decline where it came from a single donor any single donors any single donors right now on the pack that would like to be able to step forward and do that two million maybe two and a half million would really work i think i have so much time to down to donate i'll just do anything anymore looking for a couple million dollars i'll take one i'll give you a deal okay thank you everybody in item f is received report and hold discussion regarding the public art committee annual 2021 meeting schedule let's see i don't have that eddie do you have that schedule you can throw it for us i see gary's lips moving but i don't hear anything i don't know if he's talking to us or not yeah i was talking to myself sorry about that it was a good conversation um awesome so council recently had a discussion about starting to move forward with in-person meetings so we're working towards that for next month so uh if eddie could bring up the schedule for the group wanted to see if there was discussion on when you wanted to meet in person if if some people are still concerned about meeting in person we can set it up so you can kind of virtual into the live meeting as kind of a transition so if if you do have some concerns you feel free to reach out to us and let us know we can plan for that but wanted to start the discussion with the group in regards to um if you want to stay the same day on fridays uh or if you want to go back to thursdays you know i think before the pandemic you were thursdays at four um i think some people's schedules and work schedules have changed a little bit and uh so i don't know if that's still conducive for the group but wanted to have a discussion with when you uh wanted you wanted when you wanted to meet and eddie we see your packed meeting schedule we don't see the calendar i think that when we talked about it last month um we all kind of thought maybe maybe if i'm i don't know if i'm wrong or not um maybe thursdays because yeah you're right on fridays maybe yeah thursday at four is what was discussed i think this meeting was made friday for scheduling reasons unknown yes sir yeah that was it so yeah thursday at four was when um okay i think the majority of us said was the best time is but that was when we were talking virtual that we have that's what eddie suggested that when we went back to her in-person meetings to go back to the normal schedule now i'll still be doing virtual i don't have a problem saying that um so you'll have to find a way to have a virtual ed there because i will not be meeting you in person okay and then they talk about having those you know both so yeah i will need to do virtual through the summer so is everyone else i'm fine with in person okay but everyone else good is good with the thursday at four again just at four works yes i see me virtual as well okay not that i don't like everyone i do but it's still a pandemic hasn't changed i don't know if we'll be ubering any food to you guys though that's cool just send some uh dogecoin over we'll order it ourselves we'll promise to have virtual food virtual food yeah perfect there you go it's a buffet all you can eat so that was that a voting item i think it would be good to have a voting item okay um yeah or at least at least you know just a show of hands everyone's okay to suggest that we meet hybrid uh thursdays at four p.m moving forward and i'll second i before you vote is it back to the first thursday of the month starting in june yes so that's that's uh you know in two weeks two weeks do you still want to have it or do you want to maybe focus on the subcommittees for the next month and start and it i guess so july would be the first is is that okay for the first with everybody for a whole from the holiday standpoint yes yes yes okay so eddie let's let's start there we'll just cancel the june meeting and then we'll we'll focus everyone's time and efforts on the subcommittees for for the next five six weeks we need to vote for uh counseling the june meeting okay so i move that we cancel the june meeting and that we move forward meeting the first thursday every month at 4 p.m starting in july and i'll second aye yes yes yes yes aye aye and um gary or john gary i guess would you um be able to send us oh i guess i guess it'll be in the minutes but i guess the any information that we'll need moving forward with the subcommittees and stuff we'll work on a report and give her a summary of of what what group they're in and then um what the topic is and maybe some bullet points with each one okay and then send emails to those groups try to find some some dates and times awesome thank you the tennis center those that are signed the tennis center will also get that too yes any concluding items weren't we going to start discussing the tempering of the art but path forward what was that that wasn't on the agenda for today but i guess we could continue trying to add it to the future yeah we the the reason why we held off is because we didn't know how you wanted to handle all this moving forward so we're trying to get everything into production and now we just added a few more items for discussion so um if if that's something that you would rather move forward pro instead of some of these um we just need to figure out what the budget is i guess the thing is that there will always be something right there will always be projects that we can have going on so at a certain point we'll just make time with an idea be to have some of the temporary art be it you know the dallas and teasley and eagle or not eagle now but carol that that could be an option also with the subcommittees yeah i think i think that's a great idea i also think you know we don't necessarily have to do this right now but i think at a certain point it'd be nice to have a subcommittee just for brainstorming about temporary art projects um because i think they don't always have to be like sculptural in nature they could be you know performance based or sound based or we could think about other forms so they wouldn't necessarily have like a a physical form that has to be like installed at the install okay anything else i guess i'll just add one more thing but maybe since that is kind of like the familiar form of public art right now maybe it would be a good idea to start there like um if the first kind of temporary art project we did it was like a sculptural one but then we sort of transitioned to other art forms after that but we use just sculptural like a thing along carol or at teesley or wherever um as a way of working out some of the details in terms of how the funding or the contracting and the that kind of um those kinds of details would work we we can put on the agenda so we can make sure that we're following meeting rules for discussion anything else we can close the meeting at 5 23 thanks everybody