Aug 21, 2019 Planning and Zoning Commission on 2019-08-21 4:30 PM

Good evening ladies and gentlemen welcome to the plan and zoning commission session work session for August 21st 2019. I'll call this meeting to order at 434. We do have a quorum but with that we do have the following commissioners absent at the start of the meeting. Commissioner Cole, Commissioner Sanchez, and Commissioner Prunetta. This evening for the way the workflow is going to go with the agenda is we're going to skip to 2a first. That will be the report from Roman McAllen. After 2a we'll jump into the clarification of agenda items item one and then after one we'll jump back to 2b. So for the first item for this evening I'll invite Roman McAllen for presentation for the 2019 historic preservation plan. Thank you commissioners. I'm Roman McAllen, the historic preservation officer for the city of Denton. This work session is about the draft historic preservation plan that's been worked on since about October of last year and with us we have visiting from Chicago Nick and I'll let you let him tell you his last name and Siraj are here and really I'm just here to introduce them and let them go through the parts of the plans of Nick right here. Good evening. Well thank you Roman. He has tried to pronounce my name a couple of times this past week. It's Kallo Jerisus and I'm with the Lakota group and I'm here with my colleague Siraj Asfahani. As Roman has mentioned we've been working with him and members of the community to prepare a historic preservation plan and today we'll give you an overview of that plan and what's inside it. It's been our pleasure to work with the community on this. This Denton has had a great history in preservation. He's done quite a lot of great work and we'll talk about that in a moment. So it's been a really interesting process as we've gone through. As Roman said we've been working on this since last October and first of all a historic preservation plan it's like a comprehensive plan or a downtown plan. It's a policy document. Basically it provides some strategic directions for the community in terms of how to improve and enhance the historic preservation program. There are many communities out there that have a municipal historic preservation program and they develop historic preservation plans in order to give them some guidance. Just to give you some background, many communities have started their preservation program back in the 70s. The reason for that is in 1966 the U.S. Congress established the National Register of Historic Places which is the nation's official list of buildings, sites, structures worthy of preservation and so that began kind of the modern preservation movement although there are many communities around the country that have done preservation for a heck of a lot longer than the 60s. But the National Register gave impetus for communities to look at their architecture, look at their neighborhoods and find out what's significant architecturally and historically and to designate those as districts or landmarks. So to give you a little bit more background some of you I'm sure are familiar the National Register it's a federal level designation it's an honorary one there are no restrictions to that. Probably the primary benefit of having a National Register district is that income producing and commercial properties are eligible for federal tax credits also state tax credits as well so it provides an incentive for those types of properties for to encourage rehabilitation and reinvestment in those buildings but primarily it's it's honorary. Local communities however can establish local historic districts and that's where you can have the latitude to regulate what happens to curate what happens in those areas to manage them to maintain their integrity and authenticity over the long term. So Denton has both of those you do have National Register districts and you have local historic districts. So just to give you a background so really kind of officially the preservation movement started here in Denton with the county when the Denton County Courthouse was the first property in the community listed in the National Register of Historic Places so back in 1977 and then in 1980 the the city followed up with adopting a historic preservation ordinance which I'm sure you're familiar with that is the tool that communities use to establish local districts is to have a local preservation ordinance. In 1985 is when the last historic preservation plan was adopted here in the community so it is a little bit overdue for a look and re-examine re-examination. Many communities during the 70s and 80s adopted historic preservation plans and they really kind of looked at their very significant buildings like a courthouse or a famous mansion associated with a famous merchant so you looked at those real high style properties and so that's what we looked back in the 70s and 80s. So back then we were looking at properties mainly developed before 1930 or 1940 because the National Register of Historic Places is its baseline evaluation criteria any property over 50 years old is considered historic so that's kind of a baseline evaluation criteria. So now that time has moved on and it's almost 2020 and I myself I'm National Register eligible myself time has moved on so now we're looking at the 1950s and 60s and what's significant during that time period so as I present we'll talk about that those types of resources here and then. So then moving on from 1985-1986 the very first local historic district was established the Oak Hickory Local Historic District. In 1989 the the city became a certified local government and that is a designation that's given by the Texas Historical Commission and the National Park Service. It's a designation for communities that have adopted a local historic preservation ordinance have done surveying established districts but the primary benefit of that is it allows you to access grants to do preservation projects and this preservation plan is partially funded through a certified local government grant from the Texas Historical Commission. So and then in 2000 the the downtown it's called the Denton County Courthouse on the square but it's basically the the entire square area was listed in the National Register of Historic Places and then the in 2008 the West Oak Local Area Historic District was designated. I do like to point out in 2014 your mainstream your mainstream program reached 25 years in operation. I point that out because not many communities have had mainstream programs that lasted that long so that's quite an accomplishment for this city to have a real successful program that's that's been around and doing good things and then last but not least your latest historic district is the Bella Avenue Historic District obviously that originally was a conservation district and now it's a historic district. So overall over you know since 1980 you've designated 62 local landmarks you have three local historic districts you have two districts listed in the National Register and then you have four buildings individually listed in the National Register. So it's been a good amount of work for the community and I think a very successful good program so this plan hopes to build on that success overall. I do also I forgot to mention that this preservation plan was also recommended in your Denton 2030 plan as an implementation measure. It was a specific recommendation to update your historic preservation plan so you are achieving a part of your comprehensive plan. So what is a historic preservation plan? As I said it's a policy document. We are doing several things with the plan one is obviously to look at future historic districts where they may be where there are future landmarks as well. How do we continue the strong work of your your mainstream program and look at how to do preservation based economic development because historic preservation does generate new jobs and you reinvest in existing buildings. It is probably in my opinion the most effective sustainability strategy you could have because you're not demolishing buildings and putting it into a landfill. You're saving and reusing them so it's the ultimate recycling program in my opinion. Commissioner Beck has a question. Thank you Chair. Can you distinguish for us the difference between historic and conservation districts? What's what's the difference is there? There is there is a difference. There is a difference in level of design review that the Historic Landmark Commission does. Typically in many Texas communities a conservation district may be an area that not necessarily qualifies as a national register or local historic district because it may not have the fabric the authenticity there the level of integrity that needs to be there but you want to be able to sort of maintain and sort of manage that area and encourage good design. There may be a need for infill development to happen and you want to make sure that that infill development is is appropriate well scaled to that neighborhood. So it's it's certainly for areas that may not meet that threshold as a historic district but it may be an area where you want to manage to make sure it maintains some design quality. There may be some relationship there to historical events or buildings nearby or something like that. Exactly. Okay okay thank you. For clarification and this might be for a moment we have converted all of our conservations to historic and we've phased out the conservation kind of designation in town. Well let me just clarify we did you know we had the Bell Avenue Conservation was now a historic district but what's important too is we went back to the code with that recent revision and we changed the level of review that you would have so we can now still create districts but if the way we've worded it if you have a demolition in that district or new construction then you would go to the Landmark Commission but anything else at all would be reviewed by staff. So it's a tool that could be used you know for example and I think this is something we need to get clarification on but that new bill that came through this last legislative session about materials regulation some I think that bill allows you to create a conservation district anywhere you want and then regulate materials but that's been there's some people see it the other way in fact we needed to get an opinion from the AG's office at some point but for us locally it's nice because we didn't have that before. The historic district language and the conservation district language were virtually identical. Gotcha thanks for that clarification. Sure thank you. Any other questions? So just to continue on in a preservation plan we also look at how your programs managed and ministered and so a lot of the questions we have right now in terms of design review and how conservation districts work. We want to evaluate make sure that that's working for the community and it's effective and then last but not least it's about education and advocacy it's always about trying to educate the community about the benefits of historic preservation and what it can do so that's always an ongoing need and so we look at other partners that could help us do that so it could be you know the Denton County Office of History and Culture it could be other partners we could bring in to help us educate those additional stakeholders about the benefits. So the the plan itself this is how it's organized. Actually the plan part of it is at the very beginning. We have a series of goals and policy statements. There's actually just four major goals in the document and about 32 recommendations in there so it's at the very front. We also have an implementation section about which party is responsible to implement what and time frames. We also have a funding section in there so there's other funding opportunities beyond just certified local government grants and then we also have a section in there about the different historic resources that are here in Denton just to give a description of what's significant here locally and then we have a section on city planning policies you know we did review some of your prior plans and to see where preservation fits in and then we have a section in there on community engagement and I'll talk more about that and then there's a series of appendices that are just background information. So that's basically the structure of the historic preservation plan. There were just two phases to this project. We started back in October. We had a series of listening sessions with stakeholders to find out their concerns and their ideas about historic preservation locally. We also had a community workshop and then we produced sort of a state of the city report which gave a summary of existing conditions last March and then we're here now we're finishing up the the second phase which is providing this draft historic preservation plan. We did have a second community meeting back in June to present some of these ideas to the broader community. We also had an online survey a couple of online surveys and I'll talk about that in a moment. I'm not going to go into too great detail of the slide but generally when we prepare preservation plans there are kind of three standards that we follow and these standards were prepared by the US Department of the Interior and these are preservation standards that we try to follow in developing our work. The first standard is preservation plans are based on historic context and what that means is that a historic context is generally periods of history in the community's development and so I mentioned a moment ago we're now looking at the 1950s and 60s as areas to look at. In many communities the 50s and 60s were important because that was a period right after World War II when servicemen were coming back the GI Bill was in place but there was also a period in there was a housing shortage generally but that's the period where the first modern developers came about and built big large-scale subdivisions and so that's a period of history we need to look at so that's a historic context. So we develop the plan includes a description of different historic contexts the development of the universities another one the African-American community experience here in Dent and so those are historic contexts and once we identify those we try to find out what properties and and buildings are out there that kind of represent those those context periods and then we develop a set of goals and priorities around around those resources and so that's really kind of the the first two standards. The third standard is to integrate historic preservation or broader planning operations here at the city so when we look at city planning we're trying to make sure that we incorporate historic preservation as much as possible. Going back to the community engagement as I mentioned we had a series of meetings and workshops we had two community workshops during this process the stakeholder interview sessions we had 45 participants in that representing a wide range of stakeholders from downtown property owners to neighborhood residents and then we had two online surveys and we had 400 plus people respond to the online surveys so it was a really good response and we asked questions basically what do you think's important here to preserve what tools should be put in place so those were the those were the big things that came out. I already went over much of this but like I said the plan includes four goal statements 32 recommendations and they revolve around four areas surveying documentation education advocacy community development sustainability and then program administration so I'm just going to give you the the big highlights out of the plan. To have an effective community preservation program we kind of think that there's these are the four key areas you need to really work on and if you do these four areas well you have a really well functioning program. The first thing is survey and documentation so this goes back to the discussion of historic context so once you identify historic context you got to find out what areas of the community does that context represent and we need to identify resources that are important so you have to do a series of surveys to be able to identify those properties so in the past I know 15 years or so there's been three three main surveys done since 96 so three surveys that have been done or that have identified buildings and some of those have become landmarks and districts but we need to continue to do that survey work so we can identify those areas so in a moment I'll show you a map where we think some future survey areas could be. The second part is having incentives in place because you want to encourage the private sector to participate in preservation if you want to encourage them to rehab the building it's always good to have an incentive in place to make that happen so there are a number of incentives that are available here in Denton I'll talk about a couple of them in a moment but it's really important to have that that care to encourage reinvestment. The third part is administration so having the city being able to administer the whole process of landmarking identifying landmarking buildings and things and then last the education and advocacy part. So for the first thing on survey survey and documentation our plan we did identify seven future survey areas and so on the map here in blue are potential survey areas now we're not telling you to go out tomorrow to do all seven of them these are areas to look at down the road you can secure additional certified local government grants to probably undertake these surveys as have done and have been done recently but we think these are areas that are worth looking at because you might be able to find additional landmarks or districts and as you know it on the map there are probably there are several areas that were built in the 50s and 60s and we think these are areas worth looking at they could be districts there they could be conservation districts so we don't know but it's really important to go out and be able to identify those so our plan does prioritize these survey areas and we think some should be done first versus others. The areas in red are what we think are potential national register historic districts two of them are two of your existing local districts the oak hickory and the west oak historic districts we think that they can become national register districts and then recently the idiots hill neighborhood was surveyed that survey identified five i think four or five national registered districts but we think you could probably just get one in that neighborhood you don't need to do probably do five different ones but just one big one so the areas in red are potential national registered districts we do recommend an expansion of the oak hickory local historic district to the south one half block to the south of that district to capture some properties we believe kind of belong in the district and we're not sure why they were left out but we think they're they're worth taking a look at including them we do identify five potential historic conservation districts these are areas where previous surveys have identified them as conservation districts so we kind of reaffirmed some of those past recommendations and last but not least there's another level of designation out there i'm sure you're familiar with it's the texas recorded landmarks this is a designation by the state and there are several recorded texas landmarks already in den we do recommend eight more of those one of them we're standing in right now city hall we think is probably eligible to be a texas landmark so so those are things to look at and i've already mentioned many of these and again this goes to post world war ii development there are areas and it's kind of hard to sell mid-century and ranch development sometimes is historic but they are and there are a number of cities here in texas that have already designated mid-century neighborhoods as national register districts so it's happening already in houston and in tyler and i think in dallas as well so these are areas to look at so the post world war ii the styled ranches mid-century building types there are probably two or three o'neill four buildings that are probably should be city landmarks out there so we do identify those as well there are also some smaller scale industrial buildings but there's one big industrial building that we think should be a local landmark so there's some smaller scale industrial buildings to look at then the african-american experience in denton one of our recommendations in the plan is to develop a complete context statement for the african-american experience or locally there's a lot of research and writings already about the history here but we think that that probably should be gathered a little bit more into one definitive context statement and then we do recommending do recommend surveying the southeast side to be able to identify more buildings and landmarks that relate to that context and then we do talk about the historic signs we did notice there's a few historic signs here in denton that are worthy of maybe some protection and again that relates the morrison milling building company so that might be a good one to start with so we do in the plan we do talk about community development we do have a few recommendations and incentives additional centers for the city to look at one of them is to potentially expand the tax abatement program to all contributing buildings in local districts because right now only city landmarks are eligible to use that that incentive program and it's something to look at it may be able to encourage more investment into your into your residential areas or encourage more people to to do improvement so we think that's worth taking a look at we also recommend taking a look at some targeted adaptive use opportunities and it really kind of relates to your downtown there are probably just a handful of buildings where we think you could probably target some some incentives to encourage some building rehabilitations to happen so there are a number of communities that have adapted i mean not adapted but have adopted adaptive use ordinances and that allows for sometimes for expedited development review or permit fee waivers or things like that in order to encourage some of that rehab activity to happen and then last but not least we do we do talk about disaster mitigation for historical resources being able to provide some information pieces to property owners about disaster mitigation we also have recommendations in there about heritage tourism about trying to encourage your cvb and other partners to do a little bit more in the marketing end of that to market your heritage resources a bit more and then to promote the the adoption of a cultural district in your downtown as well commissioner smith major oh i'm sorry what kind of partnerships do you see with other cities doing this when you get involved when you say partnerships what does that look like you flush that out for me a little bit in terms of uh well i think um i think uh you know in terms of the heritage tourism aspect i think there could be more collaboration between the city the cvb maybe the denton county office of history and culture in your main shoe program to try to do maybe market the heritage assets a bit more i think there's probably a little bit more that could happen in that in that regard gotcha so thanks yeah thank you okay moving on um in terms of program administration again this this relates to what the city does now administers its program we do recommend a development of a city-wide design manual or city-wide design guidelines manual and it's mainly meant to be an educational resource for local property owners if they want to undertake a rehab project in their house that they could have a publication they could go to and get some uh information about how to do things it would be really helpful um that they could have this information as they plan their projects out and then when they go and go to enrollment in front of the historic landmarks commission they uh can have a project that's ready and meets the requirements for the design review so we think that that would be a very helpful publication to have um our the draft plan also has a section in there on sustainability guidelines for historic buildings um that is an increasing interest nationwide how do you incorporate energy efficiency alternative energy systems in historic buildings and so we included a section in there in the hopes that someday when you do develop a design guidelines or a design manual that you can incorporate that information in there um we also recommend an additional tool in the historic preservation ordinance once it's called a demolition delay ordinance um or a demolition delay provision uh there uh dallas fort worth many other communities in texas have this in their ordinance and it allows you to delay a demolition of a property that may be may have been identified as significant through a survey but it's not designated as a local landmark or or it's not included in the local district so it's just an additional tool to have so if a property is in danger or it's being scheduled for demolition you could have some time to work with a property owner on devising an alternative solution to demolition yes commissioner smith hey chair what are those ordinances look like when there's a building those demolition delays is it a is it a citizen petition referendum submitted to the city council is it a something that the city has power to go in there and use what have you seen your path in the past for those types of ordinances how they're formed sure it's usually incorporated within your historic preservation code within within the code within your dentin development code it's included within the historic preservation section and basically it all you would state and this is this would be up to the community how you would structure it you would it would only apply to buildings that have been surveyed so those areas that we've we've mapped out there i guess that's what i was gonna say is what what communities have you seen who has it in their have it in there now what kind of procedures do they have currently in that ordinance well in fort worth they uh in fort worth they have different levels of demolition delay so for fort worth that they have gone into an area and they've surveyed it it's for all the properties you've surveyed so in those surveys if you identified highly significant property it's eligible for the national register it's eligible for local landmark and they're subject to maybe a 90 day delay so if a property owner wanted or somebody wanted to come in and take that building out that demolition would be delayed for 90 days and so that would have no matter what there's not a citizen citizens don't have to step in and say something they automatically gets delayed correct and then the the delay time period goes down by significance so if you have a survey and it only identifies as a property is potentially contributing to a district then it may be a 30 day delay okay cool thank you sure and then uh the other recommended major recommendation we have is any future clg grants that you secure it would be good to try to use those to designate more districts national register districts and we think that would be a good use of that money um now that you've done a plan you don't need to do another one so we'd rather see you use those monies to get more districts and nominated um and then education and advocacy we have many different recommendations on that and this is where there could be more potential collaboration for between different partners one recommendation we have is to develop an online portal a digital portal for survey information so if i was a property owner and i bought a building somewhere in dentin i want to find it find out if it's been surveyed or if it has any information on the history of the building i can go online click on a map click my property and what would pop up would be an information sheet the survey information sheet so we see many communities putting that online as just an information resource for property owners we do recommend expanding partnerships with the county they have a number of programs we did have a nice interview session with them they have a number of programs we think that you can partner with and then providing some more hands-on preservation learning workshops an opportunity for property owners to understand what what they can or cannot do to their buildings in san antonio texas for instance they have twice a year a hands-on workshop on how to restore historic windows so it's just it's just an opportunity for people to learn more about what they can do with their buildings and last but not least there is an implementation section in the plan we have a chart near that gives timelines for for certain activities who could be potential partners and then what are the other funding sources that are out there to do things and then last but not least there are many benefits to preservation you know it's it's certainly preservation has had a significant impact here in the community we think it could it could have more but i think the plan really kind of stresses preservation as a sustainability strategy that that did come out in your dentin 2030 plan and we wanted sort of to continue that that emphasis so so that's it and then i guess the next steps uh if you want to comment on next steps we had done a little bit of a delay and we meant for this plan to be an attachment in this agenda but we'll have it i believe we determined by next friday in the friday report it'll go out if not sooner to y'all directly we can do that and then we're going to come back here in this order hlc september 9th that'll be myself and i'll be here on that final presentation asking for your recommendation to city council where you guys will be these guys will be back to present it to city council mr beck thank you chair thanks roman and thank you sir because i have a hard time with your name too um we we seem to talk mainly about buildings but nothing was mentioned about things like landmarks just maybe a wall a stone wall or something like that is that incorporated into what we're trying to preserve here those type of things well not that i can think of any offhand but no there are the you know there's there's the landmarks and there's the trees issue which we have the current code that we have the current code says that we'll use our landmark designation process to designate trees but we haven't actually refined that down because when we do a landmark we landmark a plot of land and with the trees how do you do it and i think you probably come up with the same kind of challenge on how to do a land a specific there's one do you think i want specifically well in a way i guess it is kind of a building i went out with jason cole on his property a couple weeks back and there is an old building out there that's gutted that was part of his family turn of the century type stuff where they kept things and it's got some stone walls the building itself and just that general area has some historical significance we're fixing to develop well not fixing to but you know that that's the area that's going to be developed over the next 20 years so that's something we didn't cover that much you talk a little bit about that the easement you recommend in there yeah you know i just gave the kind of the highlights of the plan but we do have a few other things in there uh that we recommend one other tool to think about is um you know beyond landmarking you could ask for easements you know as a tool uh there are communities out there and it's sometimes this is mainly tied to downtowns or commercial districts where you're providing an incentive um to rehab the building some cities will will require uh not so much if it's not eligible for landmarking you could be eligible for landmarking but in return to get a grant you have to submit an easement to the building so that no future property owner can do any other alterations to it you can't apply easements to so you know districts or special or infrastructure elements that you feel like are important to a historic district that are worth maintaining um so the other thing too is you can't put in your eligibility uh because you have to have eligibility requirements to be a local landmark and you can make make it more specific where if there are landscape elements or even you know archaeological ruins or partial buildings if they are significant in some way that they they could be eligible for landmarking down the road when you talked about we'll use idiot field as a specific area so are you looking at that area as a designation or all the houses individually going to be considered uh part of a historical it'd be part of a district okay yeah part of a larger district one thing that came to mind and i've talked to ron about this i used to used to live in a house that i thought had some historical significance the guy who built it there's still the old frame house next door where he lived and he owned about 35 acres which just sits just opposite of sherman drive where idiot steel was and i'll want to talk to roman later about still getting over there and trying to uh hold that but um i guess my concern is when i sold the house the guy went in and just there was a lot of nice old stuff there there was a trim that uh you don't see anymore there was the old broom sweep texture and so if we is there any way we can know if some of these older houses in these uh potential areas uh have traded hands or getting sold that the city can kind of learn them about you know hey you got a potential for being a historical landmark you know so consider about what you're going to do as far as changing stuff like that is there any not that we could stop them but at least we could you know be alerted and alert them to the fact that am i making sense there yeah okay uh you know that's why i think um a design a design manual would be really helpful because you you can't you i mean even though you're not going to regulate the interior you can't put stuff in there to talk about finishes that buyer is going to be aware of it though yes that's what i was asking how do we make that buyer aware that yeah you can you can you can talk about typical finishes of a mid-century ranch house that you probably don't want to touch or destroy you know it's good to it's you know you have wide flexibility to put that type of information in a design manual even though you're not may not work regulated right okay i would add to that that i think that that i can't stress enough that i think the new conservation district language that we have now in the code um should be utilized i mean the idiots hill like said they recommended five national districts in there um and local districts and what have you there are some really um top-notch respected architects who did work in um their um the comes of mind is the fellow that worked on datco and laney roland laney um but and many others but the end course fairhaven is there is o'neill ford is right nearby but the conservation district which we could do think about is just putting a conservation district around the whole area and i think the support is there in my experience from people i've talked to all around there's there's not any opposition it's just a matter of getting it done um and with the conservation district around it again you won't you don't stress the hlc it's only they're only going to see a total demolition or a new construction otherwise it's just a staff look at it but then when those can be marked in the county you know at least they'll have some designation hd or something will be in there as there is today you know for look for historic districts in the landmark so i think that would be one way to to accomplish it to help i don't see any other questions appreciate you very much being here and presenting to us thank you thank you uh so as stated earlier we're going to jump back into item one on the agenda for this evening and go through the agenda items i just want to let the records show that commissioner pernetta and commissioner sanchez have joined us uh commissioner cole is still absent um first item on the agenda is the minutes and we had an update that was distributed in terms of the who's absent who's present is there any other updates that need to happen to the minutes great the next item of business is the consent agenda and i'll certainly open to questions any item first we did get an update on the first item 3a so i do want hayley to update us on the new draft we got yeah just one quick cleanup item on the plat there was a previous note four that referenced um there was a reference to actually an older plat that this company had done and they realized that was an error being left on this plat so they just removed that and sent over a new draft um i don't know if any of you noticed that it was a note referencing cross access to an adjoining property to the north that doesn't actually exist so they cleaned that up um and provided this new copy for you all this evening great any questions about this item or really item 3b while hayley's up here great thank you hayley is there any other questions on 3cd or 3e seeing none we'll move into the items for individual consideration that is item 4a 80p 18-0006 and i'll invite cindy jackson for presentation on this item thank you chair commission let me go ahead and bring up my presentation okay i'm hearing before you tonight with a request for an alternate development plan adp number 18-0006 the applicant is requesting to deviate from sections 35 13 13 for non-residential and mixed use buildings and section 35 13 10 access parking and circulation requirements the um i should note that 35 13 oops 10 uh staff worked with the applicant and that issue was resolved so that is not part of this request tonight the site is uh consists of 3.42 acres located in the nrmu district and the applicant is proposing professional office park the future land use designation of the site is neighborhood mixed use which does correspond with the nrmu district this is applied to neighborhoods or districts where the predominant use is residential however they want to have a neighborhood service office type component in it and this one of the requirements in this is to ensure that buildings are of appropriate scale and intensity to complement the surrounding neighborhood the proposed deviations as listed section 35 i can read all of these different section numbers if you want or i can just go through the deviations i think going through the deviations will be adequate okay thanks um the requirements that buildings have their primary orientation towards the street rather than the parking area and the primary entrance to each building must be readily apparent as a prominent architectural component and visible from the street the proposed deviation is that all buildings are set back a minimum of 20 feet along teesley lane the setback distance is required requested both to preserve existing trees and due to the location of a 20 foot utility easement along teesley lane and that also applies to the next deviation which requires at least 60 percent of the street frontage to have buildings within 10 feet of the front property line again that 20 foot required easement along teesley lane prevents the buildings from getting that close to the property to the property line developments shall have a minimum floor area of 0.4 plazas and pedestrian areas shall count as floor area for the purpose of meeting the minimum far the site is shown has an far of 0.23 excluding the pedestrian areas and plazas if you add them in they have an far of 0.27 the um purpose for the deviation as you'll see in my nest exhibit is the uh easements that are on the property there are so many easements on the property it would be difficult to bring that the site up to the full far without going very tall the next one is parking area shall be located behind buildings or on one or both sides what the way the applicant has designed this has the site design is that you we have one row of parking in front of each building and um this also will provide a pedestrian access into the area the site as you can see the site is pretty deep it's deeper than it is wide and with having the one row of parking along the um the front of the buildings it also provides sidewalk access all from cheesely all the way back to the back of the site enabling the pedestrian yes sir thank you chair could you show us where the walkways are the walkways are right here okay and here and here you'll see it better on another slide that doesn't have all the easements okay and while i'm on it too we we talk about this being a pedestrian oriented bill so can we address the is there a sidewalk out for sidewalks all along here along here along oh yes definitely okay okay couldn't quite pull that out myself thank you and the final deviation is uh the building shall be set back not more than 15 feet of the right of way and we already talked about that this is an exhibit showing the all the easements that um encumber the site there is the 20-foot utility easement which i spoke of there is a tp and l easement along the the front portion of the site this is a court ordered access easement to this site this lot right over here this is a 30-foot access easement and this is a 35-foot drainage easement so there there there are a lot of easements on the site which uh the applicant had to work around in order to develop the site kister smith what exactly is a court ordered access easement well from my understanding is the former property owner of this site would not give access to the property owner here and this is a landlocked um lot the south the southern lot is a landlocked lot yes yes it is the the southern the southwestern lot and uh from my understanding is the court ordered this this um the previous property owner to provide access so does that mean that the so it's got to carry over obviously for an easement but does that mean that the within that can the southern lot owner then come back and say well according to your site plan it bends back around it comes back around the road everything comes back around this other side on the south uh east corner of the buildings down there that's exactly the configuration of this so the southern the southern plot owner plotter come back and say well we need you to stub that out for us now and do that is that there if the aerial already shows that it connects with their driveway okay so well let's wait for that so and there is this access easement right here as well that they can access the site from as well if the site ever develops right now there's a house on it if but if it ever develops in the nrmu district or in uh to more single family there is access through this and this the applicant tried to work with the um property owner to change the configuration of this but they wouldn't work with them does the looking at the site plan right now or that site plan i'm sorry the location i guess i never realized that the reason why that driveway was there but is that the only driveway for that person to get to their house uh my understand from what i can tell yes interesting so whenever they develop this this could possibly make it to where that that homeowner would be very hard for them to get to their house during the construction times or i'm assuming the quarter access easement probably has regulations within there that that road has to stay open for them to get to and from their home exactly even during construction they have to keep that open okay that's weird thanks okay the site plan um proposes seven buildings there are all office buildings comprising of general office and medical office and for a total of 33,800 square feet there are 122 parking spaces on the site the lot coverage is required to be a minimum uh excuse me a maximum of 80 percent and the lot coverage proposed is 73 percent and the landscaping a minimum of 27 percent uh 20 percent and they're providing 27 percent and the same with the tree canopy 20 percent minimum and they're providing 27 percent so they are providing more open space and trees for the site than what is required maximum building height permitted is 65 feet and in keeping with the character of the neighborhood the applicant is going as high as 30 feet the far as we discussed uh 0.04 is the maximum required and um 0.027 is what they are providing the key site features that the applicant is proposing a pedestrian plaza with a primary area of tree preservation along teesley you can see this right here the provision the provision of a significant 32 inch post oak located between building three and teesley lane in this area here uh enhanced tree preservation they are preserving 100 percent of the protected trees 100 is required however if um they remove any that we have requirements for them to uh mitigate that the applicant's preserving all of them 77 percent of quality trees are preserved only 25 percent is required 85 percent of secondary trees are preferred preserved only 12.5 percent of preservation is required there is sidewalk connectivity from teesley you can see the sidewalk along teesley here and they've got sidewalk connectivity all the way along to the back on both sides kister beck thank you chair cindy is there currently sidewalk on both sides of that property where it would connect to is that the the road is partially under construction okay so um i i i'm not sure at this time because it's been torn up as it widens as the state comes in and widens that would they be putting the sidewalks in it okay thanks now section 35.13.5 a of the dent development cove gives us criteria for approval of uh alternate development plans the first is to preserve existing neighborhoods the proposed office park is similar in nature to the office park located to the east of the side across teesley lane neighborhood scale commercial developments provide effective buffers between single family districts and commercial corridors the site is surrounded by single family and it does provide a buffer the applicant will be excuse me ensure quality development the applicant will be required to adhere to all develop all requirements of the dent development code with the exception of those regulations noted that the applicant is requesting to deviate from the site is designated as a pedestrian oriented neighborhood and the amenities provided on the site such as the increased tree preservation pedestrian connectivity into the site and the provision of a pedestrian plaza in front of the site enhance the pedestrian character of the area focus new development to activity centers to curb strip development and urban sprawl the proposed office park development is located within an area designated for neighborhood mixed use on the future land use map commercial development of the scale proposed for this site is the type of the development expected in these locations it provides neighborhood scale development with enhanced pedestrian amenities that will help provide a sense of place to the area proposal meets the criteria for approval i'm sorry ensure the infrastructure is capable of accommodating development prior to the development occurring development around the subject site have already brought water and sewer connections to the area traffic along teesley road can be problematic however text dot has plans for the improvement of the road in the future it had already started however there were problems with the contractor and text dot is in the process of hiring a new contractor because teesley lane is a text dot road driveway connections and drainage onto teesley will be reviewed and approved by text dot prior to construction the drainage is a new thing that they are reviewing now it should be noted that if text dot review requires revisions to the site which would affect this site plan or require key drainage features such as a detention pond that they will have to come back to you for a revised adp site plan approval results in high quality development meeting the intent of the standards the key site features proposed by the applicant will achieve an enhanced pedestrian oriented development as noted before there is enhanced pedestrian connectivity that ties into text dot sidewalks along teesley lane or they will once the sidewalks are constructed a pedestrian plaza within a primary area of tree preservation along teesley lane the preservation of a significant 32 inch post oak between building three and teesley and the enhanced tree protection that i i mentioned earlier and there is sidewalk connectivity from teesley lane throughout the entire site so that the people can actually just walk to the site and safely walk to whatever building they're going to instead of trying to reverse the park the parking lots staff recommends approval of this request as it meets the established requirements for approval of an adp in the ddc section 35 13 5a and that concludes my presentation christopher thank you chair i wish uh richard was here today but maybe you can answer this and correct so correct me if i'm wrong on this wasn't there some breakdown between the state and the contractor on widening teesley that that's come to a halt right now is that a little off topic pardon me it's off topic for the agenda well what the reason i'm bringing it up is if that thing is stalled if teesley widening installed how that impact is developed can they move forward completely even though the teesley widening or are they going to be restricted some the applicant has accounted for the the widening of teesley on their site plan they've already they are not encroaching into any of the variety of way that will be constructed with the widening okay so if teesley the widening of teesley to the lead that shouldn't impact them okay thank you commissioner smith cool things i guess i'll get the i'll have my questions out of the way then i'll get something logistically out of the way on the there's a there's a pond behind the the lot behind yes completely separate yes is that a retention pond or is that a yes that's a drainage easement back okay so cool they'll be they'll be where they'll they'll retain all their water from building the parking lot um there is no connection when i was asking that question but there's a driveway to that house now and that looks like that's the only way in and out for that home their site plan one we're only improving adp so the site plan that's in the adp yes there'll be there'll be a review of that correct so to make sure that that if that's the only way in and out for that person we shouldn't construct a road that doesn't let them have access to their house we are going to ensure that that that that property owner will have access to their property gotcha okay that's what i wanted to make sure of uh and then logistically because we're no longer discussing the parking uh do we need to whenever we make a motion do we need to remove because the noticed item has that section in there for you know we're looking at parking do we need to have our motion remove that from the noticed item or can we just approve a staff recommendation so we're fine because i'm not following there was no notice for this oh i'm sorry this is an individual right consideration okay never mind thank you any other question would make it easier i could just take that off of my presentation when i make it in the chamber i guess it was more of a question of it's it's not so much notice as it was it was in the agenda which is publicly posted so to make sure that we know if we put up there so yeah that item was approved it's like oh what what changes with parking did you guys approve well we actually didn't do anything to it they actually complied with the parking requirements actually if we need to make it's not really a big issue i'm not picking a bone here it's making sure there's nothing we need to say to denote that that we actually didn't vote on that piece whatsoever even though it was on the agenda you certainly could there's certainly no harm in it okay any other questions okay thank you very much cindy thank you the next item of business is agenda item 5a it is the continuing delay of this item the aesa 19-1c it is already opened so as we go to public session i'll just ask for a vote to postpone this to a date certain of september 18th but we won't open the public hearing since it's already opened we'll just look for a vote there next is item 5b fr 18-0013 it's a replat presented by hayley this request is for a replat of a single parcel it's located just off of i-35 where avenue a and mccormick street currently intersect um you all may remember about a year ago we had a rezoning request for this site for the expansion of the fire station so it's currently zoned dcg the fire station today exists on this portion of the property that was previously unplatted this lot also takes in a portion of the mccormick street right of way that council elected to permanently close back in 2018 and then this is the former royal in addition lot a portion of which was taken by tex dot so all three of those pieces are now being combined into one lot with the intent of developing a new larger fire station on the western side of the property happy to answer any questions christia ellis thank you chair hayley it's just with regard to the the response that was uh given regarding um underwood was that ever addressed for them it's my understanding that there's no intent at all to close underwood street um i haven't heard from that person any further since their their response that was given okay christia beck thank you chair looking at the outline on the uh notification map uh it looks like it's incorporated part of avenue a into that is that just uh i believe that's just an error mapping how are they going to get up that way looking for an alleyway or something thank you any other questions thank you very much hayley next item of business is item 5c fr 19-10 and this is julie wyatt's item presentation you're probably familiar with this site this property is located adjacent to i-35 near the unt campus um it was the carriage square shopping center that has since been been demolished they are they're replatting the property subdividing it into two lots to facilitate a mixed use development on lot one which is the northern piece it's going to be a a combination retail restaurant and multi-family with a wrapped parking garage any questions for julie christia sanchez when you say multi-family is is this going to be geared towards students is that do we know it just out of curiosity i don't know who their perspective um i would imagine it would it would have a lot of students just because it's near the campus any other questions for julie thank you very much julie that concludes our uh walkthrough the agenda for this evening we have one more concluding item and that is item 2b uh and so with that i'll say it's um just a couple things about commissioner sanchez as this is his last evening uh serving with us this uh tonight so before we break i just wanted to uh thank you for all that you've done for planning zoning i know just by accepting the position as a city commissioner there's a commitment and an involvement uh that is baseline but you didn't just show up you came engaged studied and asked a lot of questions and helped all of our commissioners and so i appreciate that you didn't just have it as a checkbox every other wednesday that you came uh ready to help and serve and i think you've shaped the conversation of our city in a unique way and so i know specifically for me a lot of the environmental issues with trees and drainage and all those things you brought a great perspective from your background and history and so over the past two years and hundreds of unpaid service to the city i just wanted to personally thank you on behalf of the commissioner the commissioners and the city of denton for all your work we just want to recognize you for your service and say thank you very much for all you've done and and hopefully through the past two years you've seen the inner workings and you're not going to be a stranger in the meetings you'll come and speak to us and help us continue as your schedule permits helping us try our best to plan and zone the city but with that we have a certificate for you i'll have richard hand to you and i just wanted to say thank you i'd like to say thank you and uh i tell you i learned a lot in these two years i know it's opened my eyes on as to what's going on in the city as far as planning and zoning so uh all i can say is i appreciate it if it wasn't uh and the reason why we're we're uh i'm separating is my wife and i have decided we just bought us an rv and and brought us a truck we plan on doing some traveling at my age i figured you know i better do it while i'm healthy and so that's primarily what we plan on doing the next you know for the next couple years and that's why i decided we decided to separate well all right enjoy your travels and be safe out there all right thank you with that we'll close the oh yeah commissioner beck let me add something here and i don't want to take uh commissioner sanchez thunder away and i thank you for your great comments about i totally agree with it just so there's a little understanding in my situation here and i'm sorry i'm throwing monkey wrench into this but i'm kind of on hold right now and i'm going to keep everybody updated month to month it seems like but after talking with uh councilwoman uh keely briggs until she feels comfortable with somebody i've agreed to stick around as long as i possibly can until the circumstances that motivated me to consider resigning become overwhelming or what so i may be here maybe only one more month i could be here several more months and i apologize for any confusion that may cause anybody so but i wish uh commissioner sanchez all the uh great fortune in the world and enjoy the travel man i wish i could be there with you thank you thank you sir beck for that update uh any other words with that we'll close the work session at 5 37 we'll meet back in council chambers at 6 30 good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the planning and zoning commission meeting for august 21st 2019 seeing that we have a quorum i will call this meeting to order at 6 30 the first item of business is to stand and give a pledge of allegiance to the us and texas flag of able pledge of allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic from which it stands one nation under god indivisible liberty and justice for all to be the next item of business is to consider approval of the planning and zoning commission minutes and just for the record i wanted to state that the public meeting correction should mimic the work session correction in terms of the attendance it was corrected for the work session minutes but i wanted to make sure for the record we had the um public session minutes reflect the same changes as the work session specifically that's uh commissioner pratt was present and absent was commissioner beck and commissioner smith any are any discussion or motion for the minutes commissioner smith move to approve the minutes for august 7th and for august 14th commissioner beck all right i can do it for the seventh but i can't do it for the 14th i forgot i wasn't there i didn't mean to second that so i second for the seventh i wasn't here on the 14th so can we take these in two different votes let's recuse your second do we have a second for the august 7th yes yeah motion for the seven you're here for the seven you weren't here for the 14th yes correct okay let's uh we have first and a second for the august 7th meeting we'll call for vote on the board motion carries six zero commissioner smith uh move to approve the minutes for august 14th commissioner pernetta second the motion we have a first and a second any discussion seeing none i call for a vote on the board motion carries five zero wonder cues all right thanks for helping me through that one next item of business is the consent agenda christian alice move approval we have a first for approval christian beck second we have a second with the first and second any discussion scene nine i'll call for a vote on the board motion carries six zero the next item of business is the items for individual consideration we have one it's item 4a adp 18-0006 i'll invite cindy jackson for presentation missioners adp 19 18-0006 is a request for approval of an alternate development plan to deviate from section 35 13 13 4 non-residential mixed use buildings and section 35 13 10 access parking and circulation requirements i would like to note that the second portion act 35 13 10 access parking and circulation requirements is is no longer a requested deviation because the applicant now um worked with staff i worked with the applicant and they now meet the requirement the site is 3.42 acres and as you can see the site right here it is zoned in rmu the use proposed for the site is professional office park the site is designated uh future on the future land use map as neighborhood mixed use this is applied to neighborhoods or districts where the predominant use is residential however it encourages neighborhood scale non-residential uses such as neighborhood services and offices this designation also requires that we ensure that the buildings are of appropriate scale and intensity to complement the surrounding neighborhood the proposed deviations are as follows one is buildings shall have their primary orientation towards the street rather than the parking area and the primary entrance must be readily apparent as a prominent architectural component and visible from the street and at least 60 percent of the street frontage shall have buildings within 10 feet of the property area and buildings shall be set back no more than 15 feet from the right of way unless the area is used for pedestrian activities such as plazas or outdoor eating areas all buildings will be set back a minimum of 20 feet along teesley lane due to the 20 foot utility easement that is located along teesley lane the um next deviation would be development shall have a minimum floor area ratio of 0.04 the plazas and pedestrian areas shall count as floor area for the purpose of meeting the minimum far the site is shown has an far of 0.23 and when you include the plazas and pedestrian areas it is 0.27 parking areas shall be located between the buildings or on one or both sides one row of parking is provided in front of each building to facilitate pedestrian access to the buildings at the rear of the site this exhibit shows the location of the easements on the site the site is encumbered by quite a few easements as you can see which is what is preventing the applicant from fully complying with the requested deviations this is the 20 foot utility easement which is preventing the the front setback from moving more than 20 feet this is also a tp and l easement there is a 35 foot wide drainage easement along the western property line a 30 foot access easement along the southern property line and then a court ordered access easement that bisects the site site plan is shown shows seven buildings on the site and a total of 33,800 square feet of office space is proposed they also have 122 parking spaces when looking at the requirements for the nrmu district there is a maximum of 80 percent lot coverage required and the applicant only has 73 provided landscaping a minimum of 20 percent is required and the applicant is providing 27 percent which exceeds the minimum tree canopy required is at 20 percent minimum and the applicant is providing 27 percent which also exceeds the minimum the height of the buildings as proposed is 30 feet when the maximum is 65 feet this is to keep it more in scale with the neighborhood the far is um required is 0.4 and they're providing 0.27 key site features on the property include a pedestrian plaza with a primary area of tree preservation pedestrian plaza is right in this location the preservation of a significant 32 inch post oak located between building number three and teesley lane enhanced tree preservation 100 percent of protected trees preserved um 77 percent of quality trees preserved on the site when only 25 percent preservation is required 85 percent of secondary trees are preserved when only 12.5 percent preservation is required the applicant is providing sidewalk connectivity from teesley lane through the entire site to enhance the pedestrian aspect section 35 13 5a provides the criteria on that means to be met for approval of an alternate development plan the first one is to observe for just existing neighborhoods the proposed office park is similar to the office park located to the east of the site across teesley lane neighborhood scale and commercial development commercial developments provide effective buffers between the single family districts and commercial corridors and and there is single family all around this site and it is providing a buffer for the single family to the west ensure quality development the applicant will be required to adhere to all requirements of the dent in development code with the exception of those regulations deviated from with this development as noted previously this this site is designated as a pedestrian oriented neighborhood and the amenities provided on the site that i mentioned with the previous slide slide um enhance the pedestrian character of the neighborhood focus new development on activity centers to curb strip development and urban sprawl the proposed office park development is located in an area designated for neighborhood mixed use on the future land use map commercial development of the scale proposed for this site is the type of development expected in these locations this is not a strip development it is an office park it provides neighborhood scale development and enhanced pedestrian amenities ensure the infrastructure is capable of accommodating development prior to the development occurring the site all around the site areas all around the site have already been developed they have already brought water and sewer to the area traffic along teesley can be problematic however the tex dot has plans for the improvement of the road in the future which will alleviate the congestion that issues because teesley lane is a tax dot road driveway connections and drainage onto teesley will be reviewed and approved by tex dot prior to construction should be noted that if the tax dot review requires any site changes which affect the site plan elements that are the subject of this adp as noted in the key in the proposed deviation table or the key site features previously noted a revised adp will be required results in a high quality development meeting the intent of the standards the key site features proposed by the applicant will achieve enhanced pedestrian orientation and oriented development and i've already mentioned them several times staff recommends approval of this request as it meets established requirements for the approval of an adp in ddc 3513 5a that concludes my presentation and the applicant is present if you have any questions thank you very much much cindy any questions i do not see anything thank you the applicant is here and i believe you have a presentation if you just state your name and address for the record you'll be provided 10 minutes for the presentation good evening commissioners i'm not going to go through and repeat what cindy just said i do want to address a couple of questions that came up during the work session very briefly and then i want to give you an example of a recent office park development that the same property owner and developer just completed just so you can see some pictures of what something similar that we're going to do so the easement by right that cuts through the middle of our property was a topic of discussion during the work session and just want to clarify that that arose it was a court-ordered easement and it's it was written as an easement by right rather than an easement by necessity it was a dispute between the neighbor and the previous property owner and the way the court order was written it established an easement that we have absolutely no way to remove and the property owner to our south who who was granted the easement would would have to agree to move it and my client did meet with her several times and she's just not willing to relocate that easement so the peculiarity of our site plan is partially due to maintaining that easement for her and we do intend all through construction to make sure that she has access within her easement we'll do one lane at a time whatever it takes to make sure that she has access when we construct the south drive she will have an alternate access that she is welcome to use it will be another public access easement but we we have no way to remove the easement as it exists today and in terms of text dot timing as it relates to the construction of our project and the latest update from text dot was issued on july 17th and at that point in time they were still in the bidding process to select a new contractor and we do still think that they will be coming in ahead of us and constructing the sidewalk and we still have to go through platting text dot access permits and you know civil plans and building permits so it's going to take us some time and we do understand that the burden is on us to construct those improvements if we get there first and then lastly there was a question in regarding drainage and cindy showed you a 35 foot drainage easement on our western property line and that is actually an existing concrete flume that the property owner constructed in conjunction with request by the city's engineering department to alleviate some drainage concerns with the bent oaks neighborhood to our north and it was designed and constructed to handle all drainage at fully developed conditions of course we'll have to demonstrate that when we come in with our civil plans but we do anticipate that it will handle everything that we bring in and then with that i just want to show you quickly this is emory office park which you guys saw a replat on relatively recently i think that's the only thing that had to come to you but this is six professional office buildings located on bonnie bray and emory near razor ranch that we just completed the the construction of the sixth building it's going to be the same contractor same architect same developer and same property owner so just wanted to give you an example of it will be residential style single story construction that is compatible with the neighborhood and that's all i have but i'm happy happy to answer any questions thank you for the presentation and giving us those contacts i don't see any questions at this time this is an item for individual consideration so at any time we can discuss or make a motion if there's someone out in the public they would like to speak certainly provide that opportunity to do so but the chair would entertain a motion or discussion on the item to mr smith motion to approve we have a first for approval commissioner pernetta second the motion we have a first and a second for approval any discussion seeing none i'll call for vote on the board motion carries six zero next item of business is item uh five a it's the first of our public hearings it's a esa 19-0001c this item has been previously opened and postponed to this date and staff is looking for us to consider a motion to move this to a date certain of september 18th commissioner smith motion to uh to uh postpone till september 18th date certain we have a first commissioner pernetta second the motion to postpone we have a first and a second to postpone to a date certain of september 18th any discussion seeing none i'll call for a vote on the board the motion carries five zero next item of business is five b and that is the final replat 18-0013 can you pull those results were you refusing christian pernetta no i get uh yeah can we vote by show of hands just so we can address the record for the previous item five a to postpone to a date certain all those in favor can you raise your hand okay so motion carries six zero let the record state that all commissioners voted for minus jason cole who is absent that now brings us item 5b fr 18-0013 and i'll invite hayley for presentation good evening this is a replat of lot one r block a of fire station number three edition um this replat is combining um currently unplotted property where the existing fire station is located on the east side of the property with the mccormick street right of way that's been permanently closed by city ordinance south of underwood street along with the remainder of the old royal n edition lot one part of which was taken by tex dot the intent of the replat is just to consolidate the site for the redevelopment of a larger fire station on the property i'm happy to answer any questions i did not see thank you if i did not this is a public hearing i want to make sure that that's open and uh the public can certainly speak to this replat if they would like seeing none i'll close the public hearing christopher netta motion to approve we have a first for approval christopher smith second we have first and second for approval any discussion seeing none i'll call for a vote on the board motion carries six zero the next item of business is item 5c fr 19-0010 i will open the public here and invite julie for presentation good evening i'm julie wyatt senior planner with the city of denton and this replat is for the carriage square edition the intent of the the replat is to subdivide a previously platted piece of property for redevelopment they intend to develop the the northern lot lot one with a mixed use development which includes um retail space restaurant space and um and a multi-family development with it with a structured parking garage i'll stand for any questions commissioner ellis thank you jim julie there's nothing planned right now for lot two is that correct correct okay i do not see any other questions all right thank you so much this is a public hearing anyone wishing to speak may certainly do so seeing none i will close public hearing and turn to the dance for a discussion our motion commissioner smith motion to approve we have a first for approval christopher netta second we have first and second for approval any discussion seeing none i'll call for a vote on the board motion carries six zero that brings us to our final item for this evening which is the plan zoning commission project matrix i will turn it over to richard for an update and then open to the commissioners for discussion briefly i have excuse me um no real updates on the on the matrix i just wanted to provide a a quick update on last night's city council meeting they did approve the the two ordinances um relative to the house bills uh with the uh i think it was the 2439 the building materials that did include the the additional whereas clause that was requested by by the commission so that was incorporated uh they also heard the fireside uh item the rezoned the overlay conditions that were requested to be modified council did not take action but deferred or postponed that item until september 10th and so there were some questions with respect to obviously the fence and and the trees and how that would how that would work and coordinate with the electric lines so i'll update you after after that and if you saw in the work session in the paper this morning there was also a a work session item on sort of development fees so we'll be bringing that back um very shortly with those the actual fee ordinance as part of the budget and with that i have nothing more to add any discussion for the matrix christopher sanchez this is your last evening would you like to add anything just to put work on the plate of city staff as a going away president not really well as we mentioned early in work session i just wanted to thank you again for your service uh and wish you the best in your travels and enjoy the rb trips be safe out there thank you with that i will close our our meeting for this evening at 6 52.