Nov 06, 2017 Traffic Safety Commission on 2017-11-06 5:30 PM

and it is 531. The first item of business will be to consider approval of the Traffic Safety Commission meeting minutes of September 14th, 2017. Has everyone had a chance to look at the minutes? Yes. Does anybody wish to amend, approve? >> I'll move to approve. >> Okay, we've got and move to approve. >> Second. >> Second. Everyone in agreement? Okay. We've approved the minutes of September 14th. Then the next item of business is BTSC 17-016 to receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide direction related to speed limit along Hickory Street between Avenue A and Weld Street. >> Thank you. >> Good evening everyone. My name is Preetan Deshmukh. I'm the Stop liaison traffic engineer for the city and I'll be talking about this first item. We looked at this item. It is related to the current speed limit along Hickory Street between Avenue B and Avenue A. We're talking about this small segment. I'm sorry. We're talking about between Avenue A and Weld Street. Currently, Hickory Street has a speed limit of 20 miles an hour on the UNT campus side which starts a little bit before Avenue C and then goes all the way up to Fry Street and then there is no UNT campus abutting Hickory Street all the way where it goes towards Carroll Boulevard. Previous commissioner, one of the commissioners, Mr. Hannon suggested that we look at the speed limits and decrease the speed limit on Hickory Street between Avenue A and Weld Street. And when we took some surveys, we brought this item to the commissioners in this safety commission meeting back in September and based on the survey data, the 85th percent ile which is the speed limit that's used to set up a bolstered speed limit came out to be 26 miles an hour based on that particular survey data. The survey was conducted for about four days back at that time and we had a discussion and it was suggested unanimously that we go another round of data collection for speed, primarily because UNT was not in session in the first round of data collection. So we went back sometime in October, first week of October, we actually collected another round of data, UNT was in session and the 85th percentile speed at that time was determined to be 24 miles an hour so we had a drop of about two miles an hour. And given that data collection, the new data collection, there's more reason not to go in the direction of changing any speed limits. First, none of the ordinances in the city support this as far as it doesn't but any of the schools, universities, churches or hospitals or that kind of facilities. And it is primarily a commercial area that it goes through. Secondly, the current speed that people are mostly traveling at is much lower than the posted speed limit. There are no speeding issues, people are actually going slower than the posted speed limit. And third, this area actually does not, I mean, it is being considered, it will be under construction for a long time so any changes right now would not reflect or would not be implemented for a long time. So there are several things happening in this area. There's a larger project, Hickory Street Project which consists of water, wastewater as well as street work and it will go towards the end of next year for construction. So based on all these different items, it's recommended, staff recommends that we do not lower the speed limit and leave the speed limit as it is. Question? Is there any new, like is the street being redone in any ways? Because obviously that, I think what a lot of stuff shows, that's a better way to slow speed down is to make it feel like you should drive slower instead of just fine. So is there anything? Yes, there is something being considered, especially this section. Currently there are no bike lanes. Bike lanes are being considered, remove the parking in this area between Avenue B and Avenue A is being considered as well as I don't know what the schedule or don't have enough information but there is a project being considered to move the curb line on the north side of Hickory to reduce the overall width of the street and add more pedestrian elements such as street lighting. That's part of the project that is being considered. I do not have a schedule or don't know what the cost or any of these are. Has there been any talk of those bike lanes being protected at all? There were a couple alternatives that we looked at, some alternatives. Probably bollards. Bollards, we'll most likely put in bollards or some type of delineators that would be a couple feet high and there are some curves that we can look at too. I mean-- >> Is it-- 'cause there's parking on both sides right now, right? >> Correct. >> Have we-- and I'm not sure if this is a good option. I'm honestly just asking if we ever thought of shifting one of the parking lanes out to have the inside lane be a bike lane and that way cars would serve as a buffer without even needing to-- >> Currently we don't have that kind of width. Currently we don't. In order to put in the bike lanes, we will have to remove parking. >> Okay. >> I know-- is it off topic for me to ask where the bollards are currently being considered? >> Yes ma'am. >> Okay. Thanks. Thanks Kim. >> Any other questions? >> Okay. We have one request to speak on the agenda item. So I have Kim McKibbin and if you would go for it, say your name, address. >> And am I getting to 10 minutes as I'm speaking for a group of over 10? >> Do you have-- >> 10 minutes for the petition. It was kind of squelched and I can explain that but-- >> Okay. >> I choose not to. >> Okay. >> My name is Kim McKibbin. I own the business and the building at 1306 West Hickory. I am here representing the Fry Street Merchants Association . It was the Fry Street Merchants Association which requested that the speed limit be dropped in this area. The reason being is because it is a congested, heavily trafficked area. The first study that was done was done in August, August the 1st to August the 6th I believe. And then the second study that was done which I think is much more relevant was done from October the 4th which was a Wednesday afternoon starting at-- let me see, let me make sure I give you the right information. Six, seven, I've got my papers upside down, I'm sorry. It's the second one which was done starting on August the 4 th. I did contact the officer who conducted the study and thank you for leaving this up so I can use it as a guideline here. So I'm going to try to talk loud enough that you can hear me from the microphone. We are talking about this block-- >> I got the light on Kim. >> Right there. >> It's telling me it's not picking up. >> So we are in that block between where you see Chipotle and where it's the-- >> Can you give me the lights if you want? >> Will it? Yes, this one right here. This is the youth center at Fry Street. I called them today. There's 614 student beds in that complex. This is where all of Lucky Lou's and all the restaurants and these things are down through here in Rip Rocks. Okay, now although there is no church between-- or school between here and here, there is a church here, the Latter Day Saints, there is a church here, the Village Church. This is a UNT campus, annex building, and this building right here is another church. Now Google doesn't always show you where those things are but I just want you to take that into perspective. And if you look very closely at the traffic study, you're going to see if you add everything up and the sergeant does that. Unfortunately, you only get one statistical analysis with this. It's in a PDF form. You can't manipulate the data or anything. But I did do a little bit of math for you. They looked at the both lanes, both the south lane and the north lane here. The radar was put on a pole because I said we never saw any things on the ground. They do that on a pole now. And it was located right here where those little skinny apartments are, right past Lucky Loos. So he was able to look at both of these lanes. So during the periods which started on one lane, October the 10th, which was a Wednesday at 6 o'clock at night and went to 11 o'clock, and the other lane which started at 2 o'clock on that same Wednesday and went to 11 o'clock that night, they went all the way through the following Tuesday the 10th, which is unfortunate that they didn't catch Tuesday. Tuesday afternoons is the busiest time in this area for some reason. They went all the way through the following Tuesday, October the 10th, from midnight to 4 o'clock in the afternoon. Now during that time, there were 41,087 cars or vehicles of some sort that went through this corridor right here in both the lanes. Now remember, there are 680 some odd suit apartments here and there are bars, there are eating places. All of this is a retail area up through here and you've got churches and all these other things. So what we had done is ask them to slow down the traffic to reduce the speed limits simply because we were told at one point that that was the quickest, most efficient way to increase safety for the pedestrians, for the people that were out there, for all of our patrons and everything like that. We are very concerned that there are accidents and things going on. They will tell you there have been no accidents but there are quite a few near misses. People do have accidents getting in and out of the parking here, getting in and out of this and the students walk out into the street without any concern whatsoever about who's there, what's going on. So once again, we're looking at 41,087 cars. Well, only one of those in one lane was going over 50 miles an hour, just one occurrence of that. And only four in the other lane were going between 46 and 50 miles an hour. So, you know, when you look at that, maybe that doesn't sound so bad. But of that, of those 41,087 cars, 550 of them were going over 30 miles an hour. So when you look at percentages, it really kind of skews it just a little bit. So how many speeding cars are you willing to allow? Can we increase the safety by dropping it to 30 miles an hour? I don't know the answer to that question. But I do know that 13.38% of the cars, if you want to deal in percentages, are speeding through that area. But speeding was not the reason we brought this here. We're not complaining about the cars that are speeding. We are very clearly attempting to create a safety zone for people. We cannot get crosswalks in the middle of the block. Those have been denied. Yes, there's going to be a lot of construction going on down here. And we are looking at trying to increase that as the Fry Street Merchants Owners and Managers Association. So there was also some stuff, if you read in the packets and on the thing, about a state law that mandates what the speed limits can be. Now, it mandates what the speed limits can be on state roads and on roads that are adjacent to state roads. It states in there, in some of the 41 pages of it, that cities can set their own speed limits. And they can set ordinances to decide what those things are . So I'm asking you. I wanted you to be perfectly clear about what we were asking for and what's being presented to you. Please do not confuse this issue with anything related to the parking or bike lane that is inappropriate. Those decisions have not been made. And I think that that's wrong to mix these issues. Do you have your petition to enter into record? Well, we had someone come to a meeting and say that it was against the law to reduce the speed limits to 30 miles an hour. No, I mean your petition from the other members of the Fry Street Merchants Association? No, I did not bring that with me because one of the people backed out completely when they were told there weren't any speed limits at all. I'm just asking because we're looking for-- I know. I told you I would bring it. I wrote it up. A lot of people signed it, but I did not bring it with me tonight. And I apologize for that, but I saw no reason once I read everything that was here tonight. OK. All right. Anything? Yes. When you say the bike lane issues and this issue are unrelated, is that because we don't know what's going to happen with the bike lane? I think it's because it's two very separate issues. The speed limit in the bike lane and the parking are all separate issues. I think there's-- I mean, that's something I'd be happy to discuss. I think there's a lot of-- how does this go? I think there's a lot of evidence that bike lanes can slow down cars. And we may sometimes do it more effectively than speed limits can. So it just might be something to look at again. I think there's a lot of other ways to slow down cars. In addition, and just looking at all the options might be something worth taking a look at. There are multiple calming techniques that can be utilized to narrow the lanes, to slow the cars down, and things like that. And they're called calming buffers or those sorts of things. The bike lane is very contentious in the fact that it removes over-- removes a whole lot of parking from the retail area. So that's why I would really like to have the safety issues in the area and that considered separately. I do bike to your coffee shop almost three times a week. I appreciate it. I appreciate the investment in the community. It's a really interesting discussion to figure out. Does anyone else have questions? All right. Thank you. Thank you. Discussion? I had a question for whoever about enforcement. Would this be UNT police enforcement or would it be-- It would be the city. --the city enforcement? Do they have any opinions about having to enforce a lower speed limit on one block? Is that really going to affect them? Enforcement? I don't see enforcement related to this particular segment as far as speed is concerned. It's below speed limit. OK. I have a comment. I am all for public safety and I wouldn't want to do anything, make a decision to compromise that. But just in my personal experience driving down Hickory, there's so many stoplights that I hardly catch all the greens when I'm on my way down. So honestly, a time that I've ever been able to get my car above 30 miles an hour, I can't really think of one. Because that or there's folks going through the crosswalk or people parking. And those to me are-- this is not a study, but to me are variables that would cause me to slow down. So I have a hard time justifying going through all the trouble to reduce the speed limit for one block, knowing the kind of environmental factors that are in play currently. This is kind of off the wall. I have a lot of ridiculous ideas. Bear with me. Have we ever thought of that where we do actually have crosswalks about doing something? A lot of cities are adding these really bright, vibrant crosswalks. And what they tend to do is they tend to focus a lot of attention where people slow down to pay attention to their environment. Because they're like, what is this? What am I driving into? And that can do a lot. So there's been some really cool ones. And with UNT being there, it'd be interesting to see if we repainted it, which I'm just looking at Google Earth now. I don't know if it's as faded as here, worse or better than it was here. It's a pretty faded, easy to ignore crosswalk now. So maybe just as in the big picture of solutions, maybe that's another idea that could be quick and cheap. I think with the street project coming in, they will definitely have brand new crosswalks and brand new ramps at these intersections, some of the intersections. So definitely brighten it up once it's said and done. OK, well our two choices are to either recommend that we not change the speed limit, no changes to posted speed limit along that portion of Hick ory, or to provide staff with additional direction. What is the will of the committee? Jim? I'll make a motion that we accept this staff recommendation. OK. Second. Hold second though. OK. All in favor? Accepting staff recommendation of no changes. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. OK, thank you. OK, moving on to item C, TSC 17-017. This is to receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide direction regarding resident concerns along Hobson Street. All right. This relates to Hobson Street right off of Teasley and the South Lake Park. Let me just zoom into that area and then I'll start talking a little bit about what it means, what the project is. So I think back in May, June time frame, we received a couple letters from the residents that actually live in the Forest Ridge neighborhood. Where am I? OK, right there. So Forest Ridge neighborhood is this area down here. And the complaint from the residents primarily was-- or the concern was they needed some type of protection for an existing crosswalk here and also look at this intersection with Forest Ridge as to find a way to actually get across Hobson, either by putting in a brand new traffic signal, some type of protected area for people to cross. And the concern that came up was due to a lot of kids that were actually crossing the whole entire park area and going to McMatt Middle School. So what we did is we staff collected data. We waited for the summer to get over. There was no point collecting data. The school was out. So that's one of the reasons we waited for all the way from May. And then we collected data in the month of October. And just a little bit of background on Hobson Lane. Hobson Lane is an arterial street, and it has quite a bit of traffic. It has close to 8,000 daily vehicles that go back and forth. It provides a primary connection between these two major arterials, which are TechStop facilities, FM 2181 is Teasley. And then the Country Club Road, which is FM 1830. And primarily during the peak hours, there are about 700 cars that go through in front of Forest Ridge and Santa Monica. So when we collected the traffic data, we did find that there was very little traffic on these cross streets. Santa Monica is this Forest Ridge. So it did not really warrant a traffic signal at these locations. So based on the state and federal guidelines, it's not recommended that we install any traffic signals here. And that's not the recommendation. So what I started looking into once we crossed that path is how can we make this particular intersection better. Landed me in the-- and currently when you look at the crosswalk, you can actually see that there's-- I'm trying to make it. >> It doesn't want to be there. >> It doesn't-- there we are. Okay. So currently there is a crosswalk. This is the crosswalk we're talking about that does not have the ADA ramps and that's something that we will have to look into if we get to changing any elements of the crosswalk. But what currently I'm suggesting is changing the signage that are on either side of the crosswalk to make it a flashing sign in the back of your packet. If you can look at the-- I provide an example. Those flashing signs when mounted, they will have-- they will also have a taller pole and they will have video detection to detect pedestrians in the pedestrian zone area. Once that is detected, it will start flashing. We don't want something that flashes 24/7, then that loses its whole importance. And specifically this will help kids crossing in the morning time and given the winter months up ahead, one of the things is that kids start going to the school early in the morning and it's pretty fairly dark. So we want to make sure that if we-- or the recommendation is when we replace this to a flashing, it would provide a better signal to the motorists and it would add another layer of safety as far as not ifying the vehicles, you know, there's someone in the crosswalk that is going to walk through. There are some additional signage up and down that allude to the vehicles that you know you're approaching a pedestrian crossing area such as that. Please slow down to 20 miles an hour. When we did the-- where did we do? I think we did collect some of the-- we did collect speed surveys along the street and I think we're closer to a-- closer to 30 miles an hour of the speed along this segment. So even when vehicles are driving in this segment right in front of the crosswalk, they're still continuing driving 30 but having that flash at the right time similar to the one across the street at-- on McKinney, it would provide better notification or alert the drivers about pedestrians. So what staff has recommended at this point just based on the concerns from the resident is to go ahead and at least start looking into funding options to get this thing installed. We don't have the funding identified but it shouldn't be an issue. We can identify some funds because it's a-- it is a better solution for improving the safety of this intersection. Questions? Is this one like the one that's right out here on McKinney? >> The one on McKinney has rapid flashing beacons that are slightly different but they have both elements. They have the other ones that are advanced signage that bl inks, the whole sign blinks on the side. So this one will be the LEDs on the side of the sign. So if you look at this, whoops. So the sign will have LEDs along the edges and they will only blink when they detect a pedestrian at the intersection. >> Thank you. >> For the McKinney one, I think you have to hit the push button and then you can go. This one, all you have to do is walk into that zone. >> Is that-- does that demand a lot of upkeep? >> These are solar powered and battery. So maintenance at least as far as I know is pretty low. The newer models are getting better and better. So once in a while, every few years, we might have to change the battery but other than that, there's barely any maintenance. And LED lights, they require a really low voltage and those lights go on for years, 15, 16 years is standard life for LED bulbs. >> I was just wondering about the motion detecting. >> The cameras, barely. I mean, it doesn't use that much energy either. >> So the crosswalk has got a little bit of a diagonal. I've never noticed that. >> Yes. >> So pedestrians are on the street a little bit longer here. They don't get to go as the crow flies. >> And if you look at it, it is a part of a bigger project. This is-- >> Right. >> This is a drainage channel that goes downhill into the ditch and then it goes-- it flows under the street to the other side. So this is-- it's a bigger project. This crosswalk most likely was put in as a temporary fix to , you know, at least get people across. But this is not ADA compliant and this is something on our radar will most likely work on getting some funding and fixing this corner. But it is a large project because there is a good amount of drainage work that needs to be done. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Any other questions, comments? Commissions feeling about the flashing walk sign? >> Seems like a good idea. >> Yeah. >> Mm-hmm. Agreed. >> We don't have anybody speaking. I guess not. >> Okay, carry on. I just lost my agenda. Hang on. I have no idea what we're doing. That's not true. Okay, that brings us to item D, TSC 17-018 staff reports including-- >> Fah, fah, fah. >> The matrix. >> The matrix. >> Do we need to vote on that? >> No. >> We don't need to vote, do we? >> You can. I think there's a number one that says recommend installation and number two is provide direction. >> Okey-dokey. >> Also, I'll move to accept staff recommendation. >> Okay. Floating? Everybody okay? >> Mm-hmm. >> Yes. >> All right. Let's do it. >> Matrix. >> All right. We can move on to the next item which is matrix. I don't have any staff report unless-- Okay. Probably bring in more information next time around. The first item is just a placeholder. I think they're still working on comprehensive downtown plan. There is nothing-- they want to look at ballet loading zones, sidewalk cafe, and all kinds of stuff they're going to combine but that is still in the works. Nothing has been decided. >> Can I add something kind of to that? >> To that? >> Yes, because there's been discussion of the handicap parking spots on Elm Street. So there are apparently handicap parking places that are close to the corner of Elm Street and Hickory, however, if you park in those, obviously you 've got a wall in front of you. So the access to-- from handicap parking place to an actual ramp is, you know, large. So you can't park, get out, and find yourself at a ramp immediately. >> Oh. >> There's a couple of places I believe on that particular side of the square, on the southwest side of the square. >> Southwest. >> So the building that is-- maybe it's even called the H ickory Building. Yeah, maps. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Yeah, that side of it. >> Right here? >> The other side. Keep going right there. So there's a handicap parking spot right there but when you park, you run up against the wall. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> The tallest curb in this? Yeah. Exactly. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> So this is the intersection? >> Yes, and that-- from what I understand, that block, both the Hickory side and the Elm Street side of that particular little quadrant. >> So this side you're talking about is the problem or this side? >> The west side. >> The west side? >> West side is the problem, right. >> So accessing this building? >> Oh, that thing. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We-- I'm currently working with-- to answer your question, working with development services and if you look at this particular striped area, that one. >> Okay. >> We are working on making that a handicap space. >> Okay. Okay. That's going to help. Okay. >> So that might help access this building because we are aware of this issue. >> Okay. Okay. Perfect. >> You'll need to put in a ramp then, right? >> The ramp would either go this way or that way. But there are some challenges with drainage so we're working on that. >> Okay. Okay. Good. Thank you. >> Okay. The next three items we already discussed that were on today's agenda. Item number-- moving on to item number 6. Let's get five. Parking on Marianas Street between Oak and Scripture. Now, I know some of you are aware of the way it's called today. It's small area plan. They're going to change the name. But this particular plan encompasses a UNT campus and a few blocks on either side all the way from Panhandle to the north to 35 and then Bonnie Bray to almost Carroll. And that entire area is going to be looked at specifically focusing large portion of it on parking. So we will be looking at parking and how to address this whole ongoing UNT replacing all their parking lots into buildings, how to address that. We are also working with UNT to find out how they're going to implement their master plan and where their large parking lot is going to be. But as part of that, we will be looking at on-street parking within that whole area and this street is covered under that. The next one is also the same issue. It's south of Eagle on Panhandle Street. We have received complaint and in the immediate near term kind of deal, we will start enforcing it. We started a pilot program to improve visibility, especially at intersections. And we have in the ordinance that cars shouldn't be parked within 30 feet of a stop sign. And that's not being followed. So we started a pilot program of installing little plaques under the stop sign saying, hey, this is the law or the ordinance, do not park here. And we go out there and cars are parked right under that sign, right under the plaque. So we have decided to move to the next step, which is enforcement. And we'll start doing that and hopefully we can start getting better. I understand that visibility issues are big, especially where the cars are parked in the corner. So but long term, the small area plan will identify and define that we might be able to better mark the spaces that way people are not too close to the intersections and driveways. And then the last one was Old North and University. Yes, the two approaches on Old North, North South approaches are aligned slightly. They're skewed and there is some concern there. There is a signal there. So it's not a big safety hazard because the cars are not speeding or not entering their section at a high speed currently, but in the long term we've identified it as a project. And we're working with finance to get some of these smaller projects funded so that we can add a separate left turn lane that might be protected versus a through lane and all that. So get that intersection fixed better. All right. I think we're. All right. Anyone have anything to add to the matrix? I potentially have one and this is some teachers in Denton ISD asked me about this one was basically where Old Alton Road is leading up to Geyer High School and just that students were walking along that road and I haven't been over there recently myself. But what it looks like on Google Maps is that the sidewalk goes for a little bit and then ends and then there's the bridge and some students are just like crossing that and basically cars are coming around a corner and students are walking the opposite direction of that without any sidewalks or anywhere to go because the bridge has no pedestrian access. I've received concerns that was a dangerous situation we don't want to look at. So you're specifically talking about the bridge that's just south of Teasley or FM 2181 on Old Alton. It's basically the block off Teasley on Old Alton Road. Okay. Sidewalks through that bridge area. I will look into this and get back to you next meeting. I don't know if we have-- I don't know how far the city limits go and TGA and stuff like that. So I'll definitely-- >> Yep. >> Good night. >> It's an impressive map memory. I don't know exactly where that was. I was like looking at the map and I'm like yes, exactly. So south of Teasley. Impressive. >> Good map memory. I like that. [ Laughter ] >> Anything else? Anybody else? Any matrix items? Okay. So I have a question. At one point, I wanted to add to the matrix. It's been probably a couple of years but I was wondering about the status of some type of safe passage sidewalk along Mingo. Because when you get to that part that just starts peeling off Bell Avenue, there are apartment complexes along there. It goes out to Shiloh Fields. It goes to another community garden. So-- and there's no contiguous sidewalk in that area. But the potential for a lot of bike or pedestrian traffic. >> It is very harrowing. >> Mm-hmm. >> Drive through there. Every time I drive through, that's my way home. I pass two or three bicycles, pedestrians, and they're either out in the tall grass walking or they're right on the edge of the lane. >> So Mingo between Bell? >> Between Bell and-- >> And Old Nor? >> Old Nor. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And it's-- topographically, it's difficult because there is a ditch. But I think we should think about something we can do with that. There's a lot of people that get around. Like I've been over there for years, so I see a lot of the same people all the time. And they obviously live in those apartments and they're walking to work every day. Or there's kids walking home from school. It's a major artery for homeless people too. That's getting back and forth from the church. >> Great. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I'll get some more information on this. >> Okay. >> And then there was an accident on Fort Worth Drive this week, the right in front of the La Quinta. And so-- and, you know, I don't drive a lot. But there has been some concern about some of the parking-- or some of the driveways allow you to make left turns on to Fort Worth Drive, which is really a harrowing situation during some times of the day. So there's been most time of the day. So there is a question about looking at the stretch of Fort Worth Drive then between 35 and-- is it Collins up there where the stoplight is? >> Yes. >> Okay. And so particularly, Lindsey comes out of there, comes out of the west side of that area. It will be part of the small area plan or it might be part of the small area plan. Because we're going-- the small area plan is going to go to the highway. Is that accurate? The university small area plan? >> Yes. >> And is it bounded not only by Carroll but by Fort Worth Drive? >> Yes. >> To the south? Okay. So as part of the small area plan, I realize that that might be something that we consider but I'd like to kind of put that on the city's radar that there-- there's a lot of difficulty now making left turns but people still want to do it. >> Yeah. I'll check on this one. This might be some-- some-- might require some coordination with TechStop because it's a TechStop facility. >> Right. Right. And I know there are places that will preclude a left turn but there are places where you still can and people are not good at timing them. So there was-- I think a Friday there was an accident at the-- right in front of the La Quinta. >> I've stopped trying to turn left there. I just go up Bernard and go around. It's-- >> Yeah. >> You're either sitting there or risking your life. You can make that left turn so. >> Yeah. I always make right turns if possible. Okay. Anything-- anybody have anything else for the matrix? >> I think this is already been brought up but I just wanted to revisit real quick. Is there-- do you know where we're at with dumpsters on the sidewalks on Hickory? I mean is that ever an issue we can-- like as a runner, it 's one of my favorite areas to run through is to run over to campus and we just-- I don't understand why we allow huge dumpsters to cover the sidewalks. Never get it. >> That's been a problem for 30 years. [ Laughter ] >> Dumpsters on sidewalks. >> Not all. >> I don't think we have progress on any of that stuff. I think solid waste is working. >> I don't know how waste had worked on it at one point a couple years ago. There were still spots, you know, where there really was no good solution. >> Is it-- I mean is there anything on my end that's just a citizen I can do? Would it be helpful to point out where we still have problems or issues or are they very aware? >> I mean I think solid waste is aware of it already. But feel free to email me and I can forward on to them. >> OK. On just a related note, if anyone's in, going to be near the UNT campus tomorrow, my social studies education majors, we're going to be doing some analysis of the streets and scapes and all that kind of stuff for some urban geography lessons. If you want to come out and-- anyone wants to come out and say hi to us, you can email me and we're going to be out there for about an hour walking up and down the streets taking pictures and doing stuff, so. >> Street walkers. >> Yeah. >> OK. Anybody have anything else for the matrix? Getting off light tonight. OK. In that case, we can adjourn at 616. Thank you.