1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,839 and it is 531. 2 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:08,160 The first item of business will be to consider approval 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,800 of the Traffic Safety Commission meeting minutes 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,279 of September 14th, 2017. 5 00:00:14,279 --> 00:00:18,039 Has everyone had a chance to look at the minutes? 6 00:00:18,039 --> 00:00:23,839 Yes. Does anybody wish to amend, approve? 7 00:00:23,839 --> 00:00:27,760 >> I'll move to approve. 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,440 >> Okay, we've got and move to approve. 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:31,120 >> Second. 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,039 >> Second. 11 00:00:33,039 --> 00:00:35,240 Everyone in agreement? 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,359 Okay. We've approved the minutes of September 14th. 13 00:00:39,359 --> 00:00:48,200 Then the next item of business is BTSC 17-016 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,960 to receive a report, hold a discussion, 15 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,909 and provide direction related to speed limit along Hickory 16 00:00:54,909 --> 00:00:55,320 Street 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,000 between Avenue A and Weld Street. 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,320 >> Thank you. 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:11,719 >> Good evening everyone. 20 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:13,040 My name is Preetan Deshmukh. 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:18,040 I'm the Stop liaison traffic engineer for the city 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,120 and I'll be talking about this first item. 23 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:23,760 We looked at this item. 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:30,620 It is related to the current speed limit along Hickory 25 00:01:30,620 --> 00:01:31,000 Street 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,480 between Avenue B and Avenue A. We're talking 27 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,439 about this small segment. 28 00:01:36,439 --> 00:01:37,640 I'm sorry. 29 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,239 We're talking about between Avenue A and Weld Street. 30 00:01:41,239 --> 00:01:49,439 Currently, Hickory Street has a speed limit of 20 miles an 31 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:50,120 hour 32 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:55,359 on the UNT campus side which starts a little bit before 33 00:01:55,359 --> 00:02:00,079 Avenue C and then goes all the way up to Fry Street 34 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:05,319 and then there is no UNT campus abutting Hickory Street all 35 00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:05,400 the 36 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:10,000 way where it goes towards Carroll Boulevard. 37 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,639 Previous commissioner, one of the commissioners, 38 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:17,560 Mr. Hannon suggested that we look at the speed limits 39 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,599 and decrease the speed limit on Hickory Street 40 00:02:22,599 --> 00:02:26,680 between Avenue A and Weld Street. 41 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,960 And when we took some surveys, we brought this item 42 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,680 to the commissioners in this safety commission meeting back 43 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:41,550 in September and based on the survey data, the 85th percent 44 00:02:41,550 --> 00:02:41,719 ile 45 00:02:41,719 --> 00:02:44,719 which is the speed limit that's used to set 46 00:02:44,719 --> 00:02:50,120 up a bolstered speed limit came out to be 26 miles an hour 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:50,400 based 48 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,280 on that particular survey data. 49 00:02:53,280 --> 00:03:01,199 The survey was conducted for about four days back 50 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:06,280 at that time and we had a discussion 51 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,240 and it was suggested unanimously that we go another round 52 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,360 of data collection for speed, primarily 53 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,439 because UNT was not in session in the first round 54 00:03:16,439 --> 00:03:17,879 of data collection. 55 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:23,599 So we went back sometime in October, first week of October, 56 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:27,550 we actually collected another round of data, UNT was in 57 00:03:27,550 --> 00:03:28,159 session 58 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:34,280 and the 85th percentile speed at that time was determined 59 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,830 to be 24 miles an hour so we had a drop of about two miles 60 00:03:38,830 --> 00:03:39,479 an hour. 61 00:03:39,479 --> 00:03:44,120 And given that data collection, the new data collection, 62 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,080 there's more reason not to go in the direction 63 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,520 of changing any speed limits. 64 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,469 First, none of the ordinances in the city support this as 65 00:03:53,469 --> 00:03:53,639 far 66 00:03:53,639 --> 00:03:57,590 as it doesn't but any of the schools, universities, 67 00:03:57,590 --> 00:03:57,680 churches 68 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:02,240 or hospitals or that kind of facilities. 69 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,240 And it is primarily a commercial area that it goes through. 70 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,210 Secondly, the current speed that people are mostly 71 00:04:10,210 --> 00:04:11,080 traveling 72 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,000 at is much lower than the posted speed limit. 73 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,720 There are no speeding issues, people are actually going 74 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:19,120 slower 75 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,560 than the posted speed limit. 76 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:28,199 And third, this area actually does not, I mean, 77 00:04:28,199 --> 00:04:31,120 it is being considered, it will be under construction 78 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,600 for a long time so any changes right now would not reflect 79 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,439 or would not be implemented for a long time. 80 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:40,639 So there are several things happening in this area. 81 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:43,639 There's a larger project, Hickory Street Project 82 00:04:43,639 --> 00:04:48,480 which consists of water, wastewater as well as street work 83 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,829 and it will go towards the end of next year for 84 00:04:51,829 --> 00:04:52,759 construction. 85 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:55,759 So based on all these different items, it's recommended, 86 00:04:55,759 --> 00:04:59,639 staff recommends that we do not lower the speed limit 87 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:01,439 and leave the speed limit as it is. 88 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:02,120 Question? 89 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,170 Is there any new, like is the street being redone in any 90 00:05:06,170 --> 00:05:06,560 ways? 91 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,600 Because obviously that, I think what a lot of stuff shows, 92 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,240 that's a better way to slow speed down is to make it feel 93 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,439 like you should drive slower instead of just fine. 94 00:05:15,439 --> 00:05:16,639 So is there anything? 95 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:19,480 Yes, there is something being considered, 96 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,240 especially this section. 97 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,360 Currently there are no bike lanes. 98 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,310 Bike lanes are being considered, remove the parking in this 99 00:05:28,310 --> 00:05:28,800 area 100 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,399 between Avenue B and Avenue A is being considered as well 101 00:05:33,399 --> 00:05:38,639 as I don't know what the schedule or don't have enough 102 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:39,480 information 103 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:45,350 but there is a project being considered to move the curb 104 00:05:45,350 --> 00:05:46,279 line 105 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,920 on the north side of Hickory to reduce the overall width 106 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,920 of the street and add more pedestrian elements 107 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,199 such as street lighting. 108 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:58,839 That's part of the project that is being considered. 109 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,959 I do not have a schedule or don't know what the cost 110 00:06:01,959 --> 00:06:03,959 or any of these are. 111 00:06:03,959 --> 00:06:04,759 Has there been any talk 112 00:06:04,759 --> 00:06:07,839 of those bike lanes being protected at all? 113 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,879 There were a couple alternatives that we looked at, 114 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:11,600 some alternatives. 115 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,319 Probably bollards. 116 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:17,000 Bollards, we'll most likely put in bollards or some type 117 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,000 of delineators that would be a couple feet high 118 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,000 and there are some curves that we can look at too. 119 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,319 I mean-- 120 00:06:25,319 --> 00:06:26,899 >> Is it-- 'cause there's parking on both sides right now, 121 00:06:26,899 --> 00:06:27,319 right? 122 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:28,319 >> Correct. 123 00:06:28,319 --> 00:06:30,079 >> Have we-- and I'm not sure if this is a good option. 124 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:33,279 I'm honestly just asking if we ever thought of shifting one 125 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,790 of the parking lanes out to have the inside lane be a bike 126 00:06:37,790 --> 00:06:38,319 lane 127 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:40,279 and that way cars would serve as a buffer 128 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:41,800 without even needing to-- 129 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,439 >> Currently we don't have that kind of width. 130 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:45,720 Currently we don't. 131 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,240 In order to put in the bike lanes, 132 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,399 we will have to remove parking. 133 00:06:49,399 --> 00:06:50,800 >> Okay. 134 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,720 >> I know-- is it off topic for me to ask 135 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:02,759 where the bollards are currently being considered? 136 00:07:02,759 --> 00:07:03,360 >> Yes ma'am. 137 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,040 >> Okay. Thanks. 138 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,959 Thanks Kim. 139 00:07:09,959 --> 00:07:12,600 >> Any other questions? 140 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:21,920 >> Okay. We have one request to speak on the agenda item. 141 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,240 So I have Kim McKibbin and if you would go for it, 142 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,680 say your name, address. 143 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,680 >> And am I getting to 10 minutes as I'm speaking 144 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,680 for a group of over 10? 145 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,480 >> Do you have-- 146 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,360 >> 10 minutes for the petition. 147 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,959 It was kind of squelched and I can explain that but-- 148 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:40,360 >> Okay. 149 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:41,040 >> I choose not to. 150 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:41,319 >> Okay. 151 00:07:41,319 --> 00:07:43,360 >> My name is Kim McKibbin. 152 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:49,199 I own the business and the building at 1306 West Hickory. 153 00:07:49,199 --> 00:07:53,870 I am here representing the Fry Street Merchants Association 154 00:07:53,870 --> 00:07:54,079 . 155 00:07:54,079 --> 00:07:58,160 It was the Fry Street Merchants Association which requested 156 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,720 that the speed limit be dropped in this area. 157 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,240 The reason being is because it is a congested, 158 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,720 heavily trafficked area. 159 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:13,879 The first study that was done was done in August, 160 00:08:13,879 --> 00:08:17,319 August the 1st to August the 6th I believe. 161 00:08:17,319 --> 00:08:19,439 And then the second study that was done 162 00:08:19,439 --> 00:08:22,279 which I think is much more relevant was done 163 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:27,170 from October the 4th which was a Wednesday afternoon 164 00:08:27,170 --> 00:08:27,759 starting 165 00:08:27,759 --> 00:08:32,230 at-- let me see, let me make sure I give you the right 166 00:08:32,230 --> 00:08:33,840 information. 167 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:41,320 Six, seven, I've got my papers upside down, I'm sorry. 168 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:48,190 It's the second one which was done starting on August the 4 169 00:08:48,190 --> 00:08:48,960 th. 170 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:54,830 I did contact the officer who conducted the study and thank 171 00:08:54,830 --> 00:08:55,039 you 172 00:08:55,039 --> 00:09:00,399 for leaving this up so I can use it as a guideline here. 173 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:02,399 So I'm going to try to talk loud enough 174 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:04,360 that you can hear me from the microphone. 175 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,200 We are talking about this block-- 176 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:08,759 >> I got the light on Kim. 177 00:09:08,759 --> 00:09:10,039 >> Right there. 178 00:09:10,039 --> 00:09:13,399 >> It's telling me it's not picking up. 179 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:17,159 >> So we are in that block between where you see Chipotle 180 00:09:17,159 --> 00:09:19,080 and where it's the-- 181 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,279 >> Can you give me the lights if you want? 182 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:21,279 >> Will it? 183 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:24,559 Yes, this one right here. 184 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,840 This is the youth center at Fry Street. 185 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,279 I called them today. 186 00:09:30,279 --> 00:09:36,039 There's 614 student beds in that complex. 187 00:09:36,039 --> 00:09:41,879 This is where all of Lucky Lou's and all the restaurants 188 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:45,440 and these things are down through here in Rip Rocks. 189 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,679 Okay, now although there is no church between-- 190 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:54,399 or school between here and here, there is a church here, 191 00:09:54,399 --> 00:10:01,340 the Latter Day Saints, there is a church here, the Village 192 00:10:01,340 --> 00:10:02,080 Church. 193 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,879 This is a UNT campus, annex building, 194 00:10:06,879 --> 00:10:10,480 and this building right here is another church. 195 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,720 Now Google doesn't always show you where those things are 196 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,720 but I just want you to take that into perspective. 197 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,220 And if you look very closely at the traffic study, you're 198 00:10:19,220 --> 00:10:19,399 going 199 00:10:19,399 --> 00:10:23,519 to see if you add everything up and the sergeant does that. 200 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:26,980 Unfortunately, you only get one statistical analysis with 201 00:10:26,980 --> 00:10:27,320 this. 202 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:28,600 It's in a PDF form. 203 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,320 You can't manipulate the data or anything. 204 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,080 But I did do a little bit of math for you. 205 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:40,399 They looked at the both lanes, both the south lane 206 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:42,039 and the north lane here. 207 00:10:42,039 --> 00:10:47,639 The radar was put on a pole because I said we never saw any 208 00:10:47,639 --> 00:10:48,320 things on the ground. 209 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:54,519 They do that on a pole now. 210 00:10:54,519 --> 00:10:57,600 And it was located right here 211 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,279 where those little skinny apartments are, 212 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:01,919 right past Lucky Loos. 213 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:04,440 So he was able to look at both of these lanes. 214 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:09,080 So during the periods which started on one lane, 215 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,029 October the 10th, which was a Wednesday at 6 o'clock at 216 00:11:13,029 --> 00:11:13,039 night 217 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:16,440 and went to 11 o'clock, and the other lane which started 218 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,799 at 2 o'clock on that same Wednesday and went 219 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:23,279 to 11 o'clock that night, they went all the way 220 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:25,320 through the following Tuesday the 10th, 221 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,519 which is unfortunate that they didn't catch Tuesday. 222 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:30,639 Tuesday afternoons is the busiest time in this area 223 00:11:30,639 --> 00:11:32,159 for some reason. 224 00:11:32,159 --> 00:11:34,120 They went all the way through the following Tuesday, 225 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,070 October the 10th, from midnight to 4 o'clock in the 226 00:11:38,070 --> 00:11:38,639 afternoon. 227 00:11:38,639 --> 00:11:45,960 Now during that time, there were 41,087 cars or vehicles 228 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,440 of some sort that went through this corridor right here 229 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,240 in both the lanes. 230 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:57,480 Now remember, there are 680 some odd suit apartments here 231 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,559 and there are bars, there are eating places. 232 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:05,360 All of this is a retail area up through here 233 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,600 and you've got churches and all these other things. 234 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,559 So what we had done is ask them to slow down the traffic 235 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,919 to reduce the speed limits simply because we were told 236 00:12:14,919 --> 00:12:19,039 at one point that that was the quickest, most efficient way 237 00:12:19,039 --> 00:12:23,120 to increase safety for the pedestrians, for the people 238 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,799 that were out there, for all of our patrons 239 00:12:25,799 --> 00:12:26,759 and everything like that. 240 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:30,320 We are very concerned that there are accidents 241 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,600 and things going on. 242 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,279 They will tell you there have been no accidents 243 00:12:34,279 --> 00:12:36,480 but there are quite a few near misses. 244 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,000 People do have accidents getting in and out of the parking 245 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:39,320 here, 246 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,559 getting in and out of this and the students walk 247 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,559 out into the street without any concern whatsoever 248 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,559 about who's there, what's going on. 249 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:52,039 So once again, we're looking at 41,087 cars. 250 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:57,600 Well, only one of those in one lane was going over 50 miles 251 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,480 an hour, just one occurrence of that. 252 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,159 And only four in the other lane were going between 46 253 00:13:04,159 --> 00:13:05,320 and 50 miles an hour. 254 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,360 So, you know, when you look at that, 255 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,559 maybe that doesn't sound so bad. 256 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:18,240 But of that, of those 41,087 cars, 550 of them were going 257 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,799 over 30 miles an hour. 258 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:22,879 So when you look at percentages, it really kind 259 00:13:22,879 --> 00:13:25,440 of skews it just a little bit. 260 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,240 So how many speeding cars are you willing to allow? 261 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,039 Can we increase the safety by dropping it to 30 miles an 262 00:13:32,039 --> 00:13:32,600 hour? 263 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,919 I don't know the answer to that question. 264 00:13:34,919 --> 00:13:39,159 But I do know that 13.38% of the cars, if you want to deal 265 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:43,039 in percentages, are speeding through that area. 266 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:46,879 But speeding was not the reason we brought this here. 267 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:49,759 We're not complaining about the cars that are speeding. 268 00:13:49,759 --> 00:13:56,000 We are very clearly attempting to create a safety zone 269 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:56,759 for people. 270 00:13:56,759 --> 00:13:59,159 We cannot get crosswalks in the middle of the block. 271 00:13:59,159 --> 00:14:00,919 Those have been denied. 272 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:03,360 Yes, there's going to be a lot of construction going on 273 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:04,679 down here. 274 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,629 And we are looking at trying to increase that as the Fry 275 00:14:08,629 --> 00:14:08,639 Street 276 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:13,519 Merchants Owners and Managers Association. 277 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:17,519 So there was also some stuff, if you read in the packets 278 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:20,919 and on the thing, about a state law that mandates what the 279 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:21,279 speed 280 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:22,840 limits can be. 281 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,789 Now, it mandates what the speed limits can be on state 282 00:14:26,789 --> 00:14:27,120 roads 283 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,080 and on roads that are adjacent to state roads. 284 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,480 It states in there, in some of the 41 pages of it, 285 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,120 that cities can set their own speed limits. 286 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,600 And they can set ordinances to decide what those things are 287 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:42,960 . 288 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,279 So I'm asking you. 289 00:14:44,279 --> 00:14:50,360 I wanted you to be perfectly clear about what we were 290 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:50,840 asking 291 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,639 for and what's being presented to you. 292 00:14:53,639 --> 00:14:59,759 Please do not confuse this issue with anything related 293 00:14:59,759 --> 00:15:03,559 to the parking or bike lane that is inappropriate. 294 00:15:03,559 --> 00:15:06,279 Those decisions have not been made. 295 00:15:06,279 --> 00:15:11,759 And I think that that's wrong to mix these issues. 296 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:15,879 Do you have your petition to enter into record? 297 00:15:15,879 --> 00:15:18,440 Well, we had someone come to a meeting 298 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,240 and say that it was against the law to reduce the speed 299 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,639 limits to 30 miles an hour. 300 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:26,600 No, I mean your petition from the other members of the Fry 301 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,440 Street Merchants Association? 302 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,759 No, I did not bring that with me because one of the people 303 00:15:31,759 --> 00:15:34,480 backed out completely when they were told there weren't 304 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:35,399 any speed limits at all. 305 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:36,840 I'm just asking because we're looking for-- 306 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:36,840 I know. 307 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,559 I told you I would bring it. 308 00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:40,000 I wrote it up. 309 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,480 A lot of people signed it, but I did not bring it with me 310 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:44,039 tonight. 311 00:15:44,039 --> 00:15:46,240 And I apologize for that, but I saw no reason 312 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,399 once I read everything that was here tonight. 313 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:49,879 OK. 314 00:15:49,879 --> 00:15:50,879 All right. 315 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:51,519 Anything? 316 00:15:51,519 --> 00:15:52,039 Yes. 317 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:56,279 When you say the bike lane issues and this issue 318 00:15:56,279 --> 00:15:58,120 are unrelated, is that because we don't know what's 319 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,480 going to happen with the bike lane? 320 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:04,679 I think it's because it's two very separate issues. 321 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:08,480 The speed limit in the bike lane and the parking 322 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,080 are all separate issues. 323 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,759 I think there's-- I mean, that's something 324 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:13,039 I'd be happy to discuss. 325 00:16:13,039 --> 00:16:14,360 I think there's a lot of-- 326 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,399 how does this go? 327 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:18,919 I think there's a lot of evidence 328 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:20,919 that bike lanes can slow down cars. 329 00:16:20,919 --> 00:16:22,759 And we may sometimes do it more effectively 330 00:16:22,759 --> 00:16:23,759 than speed limits can. 331 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:25,320 So it just might be something to look at again. 332 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,039 I think there's a lot of other ways to slow down cars. 333 00:16:28,039 --> 00:16:30,039 In addition, and just looking at all the options 334 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:32,279 might be something worth taking a look at. 335 00:16:32,279 --> 00:16:34,480 There are multiple calming techniques 336 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,159 that can be utilized to narrow the lanes, 337 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:39,440 to slow the cars down, and things like that. 338 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,559 And they're called calming buffers 339 00:16:41,559 --> 00:16:44,080 or those sorts of things. 340 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,240 The bike lane is very contentious in the fact 341 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,200 that it removes over-- 342 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,000 removes a whole lot of parking from the retail area. 343 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,639 So that's why I would really like 344 00:16:53,639 --> 00:16:57,480 to have the safety issues in the area and that considered 345 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:58,279 separately. 346 00:16:58,279 --> 00:17:01,720 I do bike to your coffee shop almost three times a week. 347 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,000 I appreciate it. 348 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,839 I appreciate the investment in the community. 349 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:08,559 It's a really interesting discussion to figure out. 350 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:10,039 Does anyone else have questions? 351 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:13,480 All right. 352 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:14,000 Thank you. 353 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:14,480 Thank you. 354 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:18,480 Discussion? 355 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:27,799 I had a question for whoever about enforcement. 356 00:17:27,799 --> 00:17:32,960 Would this be UNT police enforcement or would it be-- 357 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:33,920 It would be the city. 358 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:34,880 --the city enforcement? 359 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,119 Do they have any opinions about having 360 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,400 to enforce a lower speed limit on one block? 361 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:50,759 Is that really going to affect them? 362 00:17:50,759 --> 00:17:51,559 Enforcement? 363 00:17:51,559 --> 00:17:56,359 I don't see enforcement related to this particular segment 364 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,640 as far as speed is concerned. 365 00:18:01,599 --> 00:18:04,079 It's below speed limit. 366 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:04,559 OK. 367 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,880 I have a comment. 368 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,480 I am all for public safety and I wouldn't want to do 369 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:15,880 anything, 370 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,359 make a decision to compromise that. 371 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,000 But just in my personal experience 372 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,920 driving down Hickory, there's so many stoplights 373 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,279 that I hardly catch all the greens when I'm on my way down. 374 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:27,960 So honestly, a time that I've ever 375 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,920 been able to get my car above 30 miles an hour, 376 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,799 I can't really think of one. 377 00:18:31,799 --> 00:18:35,119 Because that or there's folks going through the crosswalk 378 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,079 or people parking. 379 00:18:36,079 --> 00:18:38,839 And those to me are-- 380 00:18:38,839 --> 00:18:41,920 this is not a study, but to me are variables 381 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,839 that would cause me to slow down. 382 00:18:44,839 --> 00:18:47,519 So I have a hard time justifying going through all the 383 00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:47,799 trouble 384 00:18:47,799 --> 00:18:50,359 to reduce the speed limit for one block, 385 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,440 knowing the kind of environmental factors that are 386 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,119 in play currently. 387 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:56,359 This is kind of off the wall. 388 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,839 I have a lot of ridiculous ideas. 389 00:18:58,839 --> 00:18:59,680 Bear with me. 390 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,279 Have we ever thought of that where we do actually 391 00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:04,200 have crosswalks about doing something? 392 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,309 A lot of cities are adding these really bright, vibrant 393 00:19:07,309 --> 00:19:07,519 crosswalks. 394 00:19:07,519 --> 00:19:09,059 And what they tend to do is they tend 395 00:19:09,059 --> 00:19:11,160 to focus a lot of attention where people slow down 396 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,759 to pay attention to their environment. 397 00:19:12,759 --> 00:19:13,759 Because they're like, what is this? 398 00:19:13,759 --> 00:19:15,200 What am I driving into? 399 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:16,240 And that can do a lot. 400 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,720 So there's been some really cool ones. 401 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,240 And with UNT being there, it'd be interesting to see if we 402 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,000 repainted it, which I'm just looking at Google Earth now. 403 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,880 I don't know if it's as faded as here, worse or better 404 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:27,559 than it was here. 405 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:30,200 It's a pretty faded, easy to ignore crosswalk now. 406 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,079 So maybe just as in the big picture of solutions, 407 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:37,240 maybe that's another idea that could be quick and cheap. 408 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,359 I think with the street project coming in, 409 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,599 they will definitely have brand new crosswalks 410 00:19:42,599 --> 00:19:46,400 and brand new ramps at these intersections, 411 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,240 some of the intersections. 412 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,960 So definitely brighten it up once it's said and done. 413 00:19:57,319 --> 00:20:00,640 OK, well our two choices are to either recommend 414 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,880 that we not change the speed limit, 415 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,829 no changes to posted speed limit along that portion of Hick 416 00:20:08,829 --> 00:20:09,079 ory, 417 00:20:09,079 --> 00:20:12,759 or to provide staff with additional direction. 418 00:20:12,759 --> 00:20:14,480 What is the will of the committee? 419 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:20,799 Jim? 420 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:23,920 I'll make a motion that we accept this staff 421 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,319 recommendation. 422 00:20:25,319 --> 00:20:25,839 OK. 423 00:20:25,839 --> 00:20:26,799 Second. 424 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:28,359 Hold second though. 425 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,960 OK. 426 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,240 All in favor? 427 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,400 Accepting staff recommendation of no changes. 428 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:34,960 Aye. 429 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:35,680 Aye. 430 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:36,200 Aye. 431 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,880 Aye. 432 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,880 OK, thank you. 433 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:48,680 OK, moving on to item C, TSC 17-017. 434 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,559 This is to receive a report, hold a discussion, 435 00:20:51,559 --> 00:20:54,599 and provide direction regarding resident concerns 436 00:20:54,599 --> 00:20:58,880 along Hobson Street. 437 00:20:58,880 --> 00:20:59,640 All right. 438 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:12,000 This relates to Hobson Street right off of Teasley 439 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,440 and the South Lake Park. 440 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,000 Let me just zoom into that area and then I'll 441 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,440 start talking a little bit about what it means, 442 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,519 what the project is. 443 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,920 So I think back in May, June time frame, 444 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:34,400 we received a couple letters from the residents that 445 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,599 actually live in the Forest Ridge neighborhood. 446 00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:39,119 Where am I? 447 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,640 OK, right there. 448 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,279 So Forest Ridge neighborhood is this area down here. 449 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:52,920 And the complaint from the residents primarily was-- 450 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,720 or the concern was they needed some type of protection 451 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,440 for an existing crosswalk here and also look 452 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,440 at this intersection with Forest Ridge 453 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:07,319 as to find a way to actually get across Hobson, 454 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:11,319 either by putting in a brand new traffic signal, 455 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:15,559 some type of protected area for people to cross. 456 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:22,440 And the concern that came up was due to a lot of kids 457 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,759 that were actually crossing the whole entire park area 458 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:31,000 and going to McMatt Middle School. 459 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,799 So what we did is we staff collected data. 460 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:38,400 We waited for the summer to get over. 461 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,960 There was no point collecting data. 462 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,039 The school was out. 463 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:46,019 So that's one of the reasons we waited for all the way from 464 00:22:46,019 --> 00:22:46,519 May. 465 00:22:46,519 --> 00:22:52,519 And then we collected data in the month of October. 466 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:55,960 And just a little bit of background on Hobson Lane. 467 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,559 Hobson Lane is an arterial street, 468 00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:01,279 and it has quite a bit of traffic. 469 00:23:01,279 --> 00:23:04,039 It has close to 8,000 daily vehicles 470 00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:05,680 that go back and forth. 471 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:11,390 It provides a primary connection between these two major 472 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:12,039 arterials, 473 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:16,079 which are TechStop facilities, FM 2181 is Teasley. 474 00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:22,039 And then the Country Club Road, which is FM 1830. 475 00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:28,779 And primarily during the peak hours, there are about 700 476 00:23:28,779 --> 00:23:29,160 cars 477 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:34,039 that go through in front of Forest Ridge and Santa Monica. 478 00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:38,640 So when we collected the traffic data, we did find 479 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,359 that there was very little traffic on these cross streets. 480 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,000 Santa Monica is this Forest Ridge. 481 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,990 So it did not really warrant a traffic signal at these 482 00:23:46,990 --> 00:23:48,079 locations. 483 00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:53,109 So based on the state and federal guidelines, it's not 484 00:23:53,109 --> 00:23:53,839 recommended 485 00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:56,079 that we install any traffic signals here. 486 00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:58,279 And that's not the recommendation. 487 00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:04,279 So what I started looking into once we crossed that path is 488 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:06,559 how can we make 489 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:10,119 this particular intersection better. 490 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,440 Landed me in the-- 491 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:20,160 and currently when you look at the crosswalk, you can 492 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,440 actually see 493 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,079 that there's-- I'm trying to make it. 494 00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:26,400 >> It doesn't want to be there. 495 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,599 >> It doesn't-- there we are. 496 00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:31,759 Okay. So currently there is a crosswalk. 497 00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:36,230 This is the crosswalk we're talking about that does not 498 00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:38,920 have the ADA ramps 499 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,640 and that's something that we will have to look into 500 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,880 if we get to changing any elements of the crosswalk. 501 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,920 But what currently I'm suggesting is changing the signage 502 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:51,640 that are 503 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,309 on either side of the crosswalk to make it a flashing sign 504 00:24:56,309 --> 00:24:57,960 in the back of your packet. 505 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,160 If you can look at the-- I provide an example. 506 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,039 Those flashing signs when mounted, they will have-- 507 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:10,069 they will also have a taller pole and they will have video 508 00:25:10,069 --> 00:25:10,799 detection 509 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:15,079 to detect pedestrians in the pedestrian zone area. 510 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:17,640 Once that is detected, it will start flashing. 511 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,589 We don't want something that flashes 24/7, then that loses 512 00:25:21,589 --> 00:25:23,119 its whole importance. 513 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:29,059 And specifically this will help kids crossing in the 514 00:25:29,059 --> 00:25:30,599 morning time 515 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:35,269 and given the winter months up ahead, one of the things is 516 00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:36,720 that kids start going 517 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,549 to the school early in the morning and it's pretty fairly 518 00:25:39,549 --> 00:25:40,039 dark. 519 00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:46,390 So we want to make sure that if we-- or the recommendation 520 00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:47,640 is when we replace this 521 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:53,099 to a flashing, it would provide a better signal to the 522 00:25:53,099 --> 00:25:54,000 motorists 523 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,470 and it would add another layer of safety as far as not 524 00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:59,880 ifying the vehicles, you know, 525 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,490 there's someone in the crosswalk that is going to walk 526 00:26:03,490 --> 00:26:04,160 through. 527 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,109 There are some additional signage up and down that allude 528 00:26:08,109 --> 00:26:09,839 to the vehicles 529 00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:13,000 that you know you're approaching a pedestrian crossing area 530 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:13,839 such as that. 531 00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:16,680 Please slow down to 20 miles an hour. 532 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,240 When we did the-- where did we do? 533 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:28,930 I think we did collect some of the-- we did collect speed 534 00:26:28,930 --> 00:26:30,680 surveys along the street 535 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:37,039 and I think we're closer to a-- closer to 30 miles an hour 536 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:39,079 of the speed along this segment. 537 00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:43,029 So even when vehicles are driving in this segment right in 538 00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:43,720 front of the crosswalk, 539 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,549 they're still continuing driving 30 but having that flash 540 00:26:47,549 --> 00:26:48,640 at the right time similar 541 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,779 to the one across the street at-- on McKinney, it would 542 00:26:52,779 --> 00:26:55,440 provide better notification 543 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,079 or alert the drivers about pedestrians. 544 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:02,410 So what staff has recommended at this point just based on 545 00:27:02,410 --> 00:27:04,720 the concerns from the resident is 546 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:10,589 to go ahead and at least start looking into funding options 547 00:27:10,589 --> 00:27:12,519 to get this thing installed. 548 00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:17,190 We don't have the funding identified but it shouldn't be an 549 00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:17,880 issue. 550 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:23,240 We can identify some funds because it's a-- 551 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,450 it is a better solution for improving the safety of this 552 00:27:27,450 --> 00:27:28,920 intersection. 553 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,880 Questions? 554 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,359 Is this one like the one that's right out here on McKinney? 555 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,460 >> The one on McKinney has rapid flashing beacons that are 556 00:27:40,460 --> 00:27:41,359 slightly different 557 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,759 but they have both elements. 558 00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:46,359 They have the other ones that are advanced signage that bl 559 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:46,680 inks, 560 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,000 the whole sign blinks on the side. 561 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,799 So this one will be the LEDs on the side of the sign. 562 00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:56,839 So if you look at this, whoops. 563 00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:00,420 So the sign will have LEDs along the edges and they will 564 00:28:00,420 --> 00:28:00,960 only blink 565 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,279 when they detect a pedestrian at the intersection. 566 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:04,920 >> Thank you. 567 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,920 >> For the McKinney one, I think you have to hit the push 568 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,440 button and then you can go. 569 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,039 This one, all you have to do is walk into that zone. 570 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:21,680 >> Is that-- does that demand a lot of upkeep? 571 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,680 >> These are solar powered and battery. 572 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,680 So maintenance at least as far as I know is pretty low. 573 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,000 The newer models are getting better and better. 574 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,210 So once in a while, every few years, we might have to 575 00:28:35,210 --> 00:28:35,920 change the battery 576 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,240 but other than that, there's barely any maintenance. 577 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,349 And LED lights, they require a really low voltage and those 578 00:28:43,349 --> 00:28:44,519 lights go on for years, 579 00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:47,720 15, 16 years is standard life for LED bulbs. 580 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,359 >> I was just wondering about the motion detecting. 581 00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:53,079 >> The cameras, barely. 582 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:58,240 I mean, it doesn't use that much energy either. 583 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,079 >> So the crosswalk has got a little bit of a diagonal. 584 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:04,119 I've never noticed that. 585 00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:04,480 >> Yes. 586 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,950 >> So pedestrians are on the street a little bit longer 587 00:29:07,950 --> 00:29:08,599 here. 588 00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:10,160 They don't get to go as the crow flies. 589 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,400 >> And if you look at it, it is a part of a bigger project. 590 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:13,880 This is-- 591 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:14,279 >> Right. 592 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:17,440 >> This is a drainage channel that goes downhill into the 593 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,920 ditch and then it goes-- 594 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,480 it flows under the street to the other side. 595 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,839 So this is-- it's a bigger project. 596 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:31,660 This crosswalk most likely was put in as a temporary fix to 597 00:29:31,660 --> 00:29:35,039 , you know, at least get people across. 598 00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:37,640 But this is not ADA compliant and this is something 599 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,589 on our radar will most likely work on getting some funding 600 00:29:41,589 --> 00:29:42,680 and fixing this corner. 601 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,660 But it is a large project because there is a good amount of 602 00:29:46,660 --> 00:29:49,559 drainage work that needs to be done. 603 00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:50,799 >> Yeah. 604 00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:54,880 >> Okay. 605 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,799 Any other questions, comments? 606 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:10,720 Commissions feeling about the flashing walk sign? 607 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:11,839 >> Seems like a good idea. 608 00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:12,400 >> Yeah. 609 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,839 >> Mm-hmm. 610 00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:16,200 Agreed. 611 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,119 >> We don't have anybody speaking. 612 00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:22,559 I guess not. 613 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,960 >> Okay, carry on. 614 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,079 I just lost my agenda. 615 00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:27,920 Hang on. 616 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,440 I have no idea what we're doing. 617 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,279 That's not true. 618 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:42,400 Okay, that brings us to item D, TSC 17-018 staff reports 619 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,920 including-- 620 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,799 >> Fah, fah, fah. 621 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:46,480 >> The matrix. 622 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:47,160 >> The matrix. 623 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,640 >> Do we need to vote on that? 624 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:51,720 >> No. 625 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,480 >> We don't need to vote, do we? 626 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,240 >> You can. 627 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,190 I think there's a number one that says recommend 628 00:30:58,190 --> 00:31:00,039 installation and number two is provide direction. 629 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:01,279 >> Okey-dokey. 630 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:04,920 >> Also, I'll move to accept staff recommendation. 631 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,000 >> Okay. 632 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:08,640 Floating? 633 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,519 Everybody okay? 634 00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:09,880 >> Mm-hmm. 635 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:10,039 >> Yes. 636 00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:10,880 >> All right. 637 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,359 Let's do it. 638 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,799 >> Matrix. 639 00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:21,240 >> All right. 640 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,000 We can move on to the next item which is matrix. 641 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,160 I don't have any staff report unless-- 642 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:34,720 Okay. Probably bring in more information next time around. 643 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,319 The first item is just a placeholder. 644 00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:41,759 I think they're still working on comprehensive downtown 645 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:42,400 plan. 646 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,640 There is nothing-- they want to look at ballet loading 647 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,079 zones, sidewalk cafe, 648 00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:53,029 and all kinds of stuff they're going to combine but that is 649 00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:53,759 still in the works. 650 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:56,359 Nothing has been decided. 651 00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:59,839 >> Can I add something kind of to that? 652 00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:00,599 >> To that? 653 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:04,549 >> Yes, because there's been discussion of the handicap 654 00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:07,480 parking spots on Elm Street. 655 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,880 So there are apparently handicap parking places that are 656 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,000 close to the corner of Elm Street 657 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,950 and Hickory, however, if you park in those, obviously you 658 00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:23,079 've got a wall in front of you. 659 00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:29,029 So the access to-- from handicap parking place to an actual 660 00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:31,599 ramp is, you know, large. 661 00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:35,329 So you can't park, get out, and find yourself at a ramp 662 00:32:35,329 --> 00:32:35,960 immediately. 663 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,559 >> Oh. 664 00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:40,509 >> There's a couple of places I believe on that particular 665 00:32:40,509 --> 00:32:42,119 side of the square, 666 00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:46,839 on the southwest side of the square. 667 00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:48,319 >> Southwest. 668 00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:54,430 >> So the building that is-- maybe it's even called the H 669 00:32:54,430 --> 00:32:56,000 ickory Building. 670 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,559 Yeah, maps. 671 00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:04,079 [ Inaudible Remark ] 672 00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:05,319 >> Yeah, that side of it. 673 00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:05,960 >> Right here? 674 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,279 >> The other side. 675 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:08,799 Keep going right there. 676 00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:13,470 So there's a handicap parking spot right there but when you 677 00:33:13,470 --> 00:33:14,480 park, 678 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,880 you run up against the wall. 679 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,319 [ Inaudible Remark ] 680 00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:22,519 >> The tallest curb in this? 681 00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:25,240 Yeah. Exactly. 682 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:33,799 [ Inaudible Remark ] 683 00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:35,680 >> So this is the intersection? 684 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,740 >> Yes, and that-- from what I understand, that block, both 685 00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:42,519 the Hickory side 686 00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:48,359 and the Elm Street side of that particular little quadrant. 687 00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:51,740 >> So this side you're talking about is the problem or this 688 00:33:51,740 --> 00:33:52,359 side? 689 00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:54,920 >> The west side. 690 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:55,680 >> The west side? 691 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,240 >> West side is the problem, right. 692 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,039 >> So accessing this building? 693 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:01,519 >> Oh, that thing. 694 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:02,279 >> Yeah. 695 00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:07,009 >> Okay. We-- I'm currently working with-- to answer your 696 00:34:07,009 --> 00:34:07,440 question, 697 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,039 working with development services and if you look 698 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:17,400 at this particular striped area, that one. 699 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,360 >> Okay. 700 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,400 >> We are working on making that a handicap space. 701 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:22,599 >> Okay. Okay. 702 00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:23,800 That's going to help. 703 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,159 Okay. 704 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:28,829 >> So that might help access this building because we are 705 00:34:28,829 --> 00:34:30,360 aware of this issue. 706 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,480 >> Okay. Okay. 707 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,639 Perfect. 708 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,159 >> You'll need to put in a ramp then, right? 709 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,760 >> The ramp would either go this way or that way. 710 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,489 But there are some challenges with drainage so we're 711 00:34:41,489 --> 00:34:42,920 working on that. 712 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,719 >> Okay. Okay. 713 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,960 Good. Thank you. 714 00:34:54,400 --> 00:35:00,269 >> Okay. The next three items we already discussed that 715 00:35:00,269 --> 00:35:03,559 were on today's agenda. 716 00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:06,960 Item number-- moving on to item number 6. 717 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,159 Let's get five. 718 00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:13,440 Parking on Marianas Street between Oak and Scripture. 719 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,320 Now, I know some of you are aware of the way it's called 720 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,360 today. 721 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,360 It's small area plan. 722 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,000 They're going to change the name. 723 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:29,690 But this particular plan encompasses a UNT campus and a few 724 00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:32,239 blocks on either side all the way 725 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:40,579 from Panhandle to the north to 35 and then Bonnie Bray to 726 00:35:40,579 --> 00:35:42,159 almost Carroll. 727 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:46,659 And that entire area is going to be looked at specifically 728 00:35:46,659 --> 00:35:51,440 focusing large portion of it on parking. 729 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,860 So we will be looking at parking and how to address this 730 00:35:56,860 --> 00:36:00,840 whole ongoing UNT replacing all their parking lots 731 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,159 into buildings, how to address that. 732 00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:07,000 We are also working with UNT to find out how they're going 733 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,360 to implement their master plan 734 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,719 and where their large parking lot is going to be. 735 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,829 But as part of that, we will be looking at on-street 736 00:36:16,829 --> 00:36:18,719 parking within that whole area 737 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,800 and this street is covered under that. 738 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,199 The next one is also the same issue. 739 00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:27,679 It's south of Eagle on Panhandle Street. 740 00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:33,820 We have received complaint and in the immediate near term 741 00:36:33,820 --> 00:36:37,280 kind of deal, we will start enforcing it. 742 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,679 We started a pilot program to improve visibility, 743 00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:44,079 especially at intersections. 744 00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:48,550 And we have in the ordinance that cars shouldn't be parked 745 00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:51,119 within 30 feet of a stop sign. 746 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,599 And that's not being followed. 747 00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:58,159 So we started a pilot program of installing little plaques 748 00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:00,480 under the stop sign saying, hey, 749 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,480 this is the law or the ordinance, do not park here. 750 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,820 And we go out there and cars are parked right under that 751 00:37:06,820 --> 00:37:09,000 sign, right under the plaque. 752 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,400 So we have decided to move to the next step, which is 753 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,159 enforcement. 754 00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:19,380 And we'll start doing that and hopefully we can start 755 00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:20,639 getting better. 756 00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:24,590 I understand that visibility issues are big, especially 757 00:37:24,590 --> 00:37:27,559 where the cars are parked in the corner. 758 00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:31,510 So but long term, the small area plan will identify and 759 00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:32,599 define that we might be able 760 00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:36,550 to better mark the spaces that way people are not too close 761 00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:40,360 to the intersections and driveways. 762 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,960 And then the last one was Old North and University. 763 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,929 Yes, the two approaches on Old North, North South 764 00:37:48,929 --> 00:37:51,880 approaches are aligned slightly. 765 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,519 They're skewed and there is some concern there. 766 00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:57,440 There is a signal there. 767 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:05,579 So it's not a big safety hazard because the cars are not 768 00:38:05,579 --> 00:38:07,840 speeding or not entering their section 769 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,789 at a high speed currently, but in the long term we've 770 00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:13,039 identified it as a project. 771 00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:17,289 And we're working with finance to get some of these smaller 772 00:38:17,289 --> 00:38:18,000 projects funded 773 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,599 so that we can add a separate left turn lane that might be 774 00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:22,960 protected versus a through lane and all that. 775 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,400 So get that intersection fixed better. 776 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,400 All right. 777 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,679 I think we're. 778 00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:31,159 All right. 779 00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:35,159 Anyone have anything to add to the matrix? 780 00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:38,769 I potentially have one and this is some teachers in Denton 781 00:38:38,769 --> 00:38:39,519 ISD asked me 782 00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:44,250 about this one was basically where Old Alton Road is 783 00:38:44,250 --> 00:38:46,639 leading up to Geyer High School 784 00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:49,639 and just that students were walking along that road and I 785 00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:51,920 haven't been over there recently myself. 786 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,170 But what it looks like on Google Maps is that the sidewalk 787 00:38:55,170 --> 00:38:57,039 goes for a little bit and then ends 788 00:38:57,039 --> 00:38:59,300 and then there's the bridge and some students are just like 789 00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:01,079 crossing that and basically cars are coming 790 00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:04,280 around a corner and students are walking the opposite 791 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,639 direction of that without any sidewalks 792 00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:09,239 or anywhere to go because the bridge has no pedestrian 793 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,039 access. 794 00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:13,440 I've received concerns that was a dangerous situation we 795 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,920 don't want to look at. 796 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,079 So you're specifically talking about the bridge that's just 797 00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:21,920 south of Teasley or FM 2181 on Old Alton. 798 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,239 It's basically the block off Teasley on Old Alton Road. 799 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,320 Okay. Sidewalks through that bridge area. 800 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,760 I will look into this and get back to you next meeting. 801 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,980 I don't know if we have-- I don't know how far the city 802 00:39:34,980 --> 00:39:37,199 limits go and TGA and stuff like that. 803 00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:38,440 So I'll definitely-- 804 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:38,840 >> Yep. 805 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:39,760 >> Good night. 806 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,400 >> It's an impressive map memory. 807 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,840 I don't know exactly where that was. 808 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,079 I was like looking at the map and I'm like yes, exactly. 809 00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:50,920 So south of Teasley. 810 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,599 Impressive. 811 00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:53,400 >> Good map memory. 812 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,760 I like that. 813 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:59,800 [ Laughter ] 814 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,360 >> Anything else? 815 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,039 Anybody else? 816 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:05,119 Any matrix items? 817 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:08,599 Okay. So I have a question. 818 00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:11,639 At one point, I wanted to add to the matrix. 819 00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:14,800 It's been probably a couple of years but I was wondering 820 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,559 about the status of some type 821 00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:21,840 of safe passage sidewalk along Mingo. 822 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:29,159 Because when you get to that part that just starts peeling 823 00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:31,320 off Bell Avenue, 824 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,480 there are apartment complexes along there. 825 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,639 It goes out to Shiloh Fields. 826 00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:41,159 It goes to another community garden. 827 00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:46,199 So-- and there's no contiguous sidewalk in that area. 828 00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:51,480 But the potential for a lot of bike or pedestrian traffic. 829 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,159 >> It is very harrowing. 830 00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:54,159 >> Mm-hmm. 831 00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:55,159 >> Drive through there. 832 00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:57,559 Every time I drive through, that's my way home. 833 00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:01,750 I pass two or three bicycles, pedestrians, and they're 834 00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:03,920 either out in the tall grass walking 835 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,519 or they're right on the edge of the lane. 836 00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:09,519 >> So Mingo between Bell? 837 00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:10,519 >> Between Bell and-- 838 00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:11,920 >> And Old Nor? 839 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,119 >> Old Nor. 840 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:13,400 >> Okay. 841 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:19,739 >> Yeah. And it's-- topographically, it's difficult because 842 00:41:19,739 --> 00:41:21,119 there is a ditch. 843 00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:25,820 But I think we should think about something we can do with 844 00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:26,559 that. 845 00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:28,960 There's a lot of people that get around. 846 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,559 Like I've been over there for years, so I see a lot of the 847 00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:32,519 same people all the time. 848 00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:34,550 And they obviously live in those apartments and they're 849 00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:36,840 walking to work every day. 850 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,440 Or there's kids walking home from school. 851 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,039 It's a major artery for homeless people too. 852 00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:48,440 That's getting back and forth from the church. 853 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:48,840 >> Great. 854 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,400 >> Yeah. 855 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,280 >> Okay. 856 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:52,719 >> Okay. 857 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:53,639 >> Okay. 858 00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:55,039 >> I'll get some more information on this. 859 00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:55,719 >> Okay. 860 00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,059 >> And then there was an accident on Fort Worth Drive this 861 00:42:00,059 --> 00:42:00,559 week, 862 00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:03,039 the right in front of the La Quinta. 863 00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:07,159 And so-- and, you know, I don't drive a lot. 864 00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:13,119 But there has been some concern about some of the parking-- 865 00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:18,690 or some of the driveways allow you to make left turns on to 866 00:42:18,690 --> 00:42:20,639 Fort Worth Drive, 867 00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:25,849 which is really a harrowing situation during some times of 868 00:42:25,849 --> 00:42:26,880 the day. 869 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,639 So there's been most time of the day. 870 00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:33,590 So there is a question about looking at the stretch of Fort 871 00:42:33,590 --> 00:42:36,400 Worth Drive then between 35 872 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:42,159 and-- is it Collins up there where the stoplight is? 873 00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:43,000 >> Yes. 874 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,920 >> Okay. And so particularly, Lindsey comes out of there, 875 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,039 comes out of the west side of that area. 876 00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:56,320 It will be part of the small area plan or it might be part 877 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,320 of the small area plan. 878 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,409 Because we're going-- the small area plan is going to go to 879 00:43:00,409 --> 00:43:01,039 the highway. 880 00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:02,639 Is that accurate? 881 00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:04,800 The university small area plan? 882 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:05,519 >> Yes. 883 00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:10,059 >> And is it bounded not only by Carroll but by Fort Worth 884 00:43:10,059 --> 00:43:10,480 Drive? 885 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:10,760 >> Yes. 886 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,639 >> To the south? 887 00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:14,719 Okay. So as part of the small area plan, I realize that 888 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,039 that might be something 889 00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:18,780 that we consider but I'd like to kind of put that on the 890 00:43:18,780 --> 00:43:22,159 city's radar that there-- 891 00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:26,110 there's a lot of difficulty now making left turns but 892 00:43:26,110 --> 00:43:28,719 people still want to do it. 893 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,480 >> Yeah. I'll check on this one. 894 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,320 This might be some-- some-- might require some coordination 895 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,280 with TechStop because it's a TechStop facility. 896 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,039 >> Right. Right. 897 00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:40,920 And I know there are places that will preclude a left turn 898 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,070 but there are places where you still can and people are not 899 00:43:45,070 --> 00:43:46,519 good at timing them. 900 00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:49,650 So there was-- I think a Friday there was an accident at 901 00:43:49,650 --> 00:43:50,039 the-- 902 00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:52,599 right in front of the La Quinta. 903 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:53,840 >> I've stopped trying to turn left there. 904 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,880 I just go up Bernard and go around. 905 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:56,360 It's-- 906 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,159 >> Yeah. 907 00:43:57,159 --> 00:43:59,440 >> You're either sitting there or risking your life. 908 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,800 You can make that left turn so. 909 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,639 >> Yeah. I always make right turns if possible. 910 00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:10,320 Okay. Anything-- anybody have anything else for the matrix? 911 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,289 >> I think this is already been brought up but I just 912 00:44:12,289 --> 00:44:13,440 wanted to revisit real quick. 913 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,389 Is there-- do you know where we're at with dumpsters on the 914 00:44:17,389 --> 00:44:18,840 sidewalks on Hickory? 915 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,789 I mean is that ever an issue we can-- like as a runner, it 916 00:44:22,789 --> 00:44:23,599 's one of my favorite areas 917 00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:26,920 to run through is to run over to campus and we just-- 918 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,789 I don't understand why we allow huge dumpsters to cover the 919 00:44:29,789 --> 00:44:30,920 sidewalks. 920 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,320 Never get it. 921 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,440 >> That's been a problem for 30 years. 922 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,360 [ Laughter ] 923 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,960 >> Dumpsters on sidewalks. 924 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,360 >> Not all. 925 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,639 >> I don't think we have progress on any of that stuff. 926 00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:47,360 I think solid waste is working. 927 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,730 >> I don't know how waste had worked on it at one point a 928 00:44:48,730 --> 00:44:49,159 couple years ago. 929 00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:53,280 There were still spots, you know, where there really was no 930 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,320 good solution. 931 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,090 >> Is it-- I mean is there anything on my end that's just a 932 00:44:58,090 --> 00:44:58,840 citizen I can do? 933 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,969 Would it be helpful to point out where we still have 934 00:45:00,969 --> 00:45:04,320 problems or issues or are they very aware? 935 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,039 >> I mean I think solid waste is aware of it already. 936 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:10,239 But feel free to email me and I can forward on to them. 937 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,349 >> OK. On just a related note, if anyone's in, going to be 938 00:45:14,349 --> 00:45:17,159 near the UNT campus tomorrow, 939 00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:20,380 my social studies education majors, we're going to be doing 940 00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:22,079 some analysis of the streets 941 00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:24,059 and scapes and all that kind of stuff for some urban 942 00:45:24,059 --> 00:45:25,119 geography lessons. 943 00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:26,820 If you want to come out and-- anyone wants to come out and 944 00:45:26,820 --> 00:45:29,079 say hi to us, you can email me 945 00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:31,320 and we're going to be out there for about an hour walking 946 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,760 up and down the streets taking pictures 947 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,960 and doing stuff, so. 948 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:35,920 >> Street walkers. 949 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,440 >> Yeah. 950 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:42,599 >> OK. Anybody have anything else for the matrix? 951 00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:44,480 Getting off light tonight. 952 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,800 OK. In that case, we can adjourn at 616. 953 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,559 Thank you.