WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.839 and it is 531. 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:08.160 The first item of business will be to consider approval 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:10.800 of the Traffic Safety Commission meeting minutes 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:14.279 of September 14th, 2017. 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:18.039 Has everyone had a chance to look at the minutes? 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:23.839 Yes. Does anybody wish to amend, approve? 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:27.760 >> I'll move to approve. 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:30.440 >> Okay, we've got and move to approve. 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:31.120 >> Second. 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:33.039 >> Second. 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:35.240 Everyone in agreement? 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:39.359 Okay. We've approved the minutes of September 14th. 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:48.200 Then the next item of business is BTSC 17-016 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:50.960 to receive a report, hold a discussion, 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:54.909 and provide direction related to speed limit along Hickory 00:00:54.909 --> 00:00:55.320 Street 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:59.000 between Avenue A and Weld Street. 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:00.320 >> Thank you. 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:11.719 >> Good evening everyone. 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:13.040 My name is Preetan Deshmukh. 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:18.040 I'm the Stop liaison traffic engineer for the city 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:22.120 and I'll be talking about this first item. 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:23.760 We looked at this item. 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:30.620 It is related to the current speed limit along Hickory 00:01:30.620 --> 00:01:31.000 Street 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:33.480 between Avenue B and Avenue A. We're talking 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:36.439 about this small segment. 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:37.640 I'm sorry. 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:41.239 We're talking about between Avenue A and Weld Street. 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:49.439 Currently, Hickory Street has a speed limit of 20 miles an 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:50.120 hour 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:55.359 on the UNT campus side which starts a little bit before 00:01:55.359 --> 00:02:00.079 Avenue C and then goes all the way up to Fry Street 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:05.319 and then there is no UNT campus abutting Hickory Street all 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:05.400 the 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:10.000 way where it goes towards Carroll Boulevard. 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:12.639 Previous commissioner, one of the commissioners, 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:17.560 Mr. Hannon suggested that we look at the speed limits 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:22.599 and decrease the speed limit on Hickory Street 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:26.680 between Avenue A and Weld Street. 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:30.960 And when we took some surveys, we brought this item 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:35.680 to the commissioners in this safety commission meeting back 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:41.550 in September and based on the survey data, the 85th percent 00:02:41.550 --> 00:02:41.719 ile 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:44.719 which is the speed limit that's used to set 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:50.120 up a bolstered speed limit came out to be 26 miles an hour 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:50.400 based 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.280 on that particular survey data. 00:02:53.280 --> 00:03:01.199 The survey was conducted for about four days back 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:06.280 at that time and we had a discussion 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:10.240 and it was suggested unanimously that we go another round 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:13.360 of data collection for speed, primarily 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.439 because UNT was not in session in the first round 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:17.879 of data collection. 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:23.599 So we went back sometime in October, first week of October, 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:27.550 we actually collected another round of data, UNT was in 00:03:27.550 --> 00:03:28.159 session 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:34.280 and the 85th percentile speed at that time was determined 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:38.830 to be 24 miles an hour so we had a drop of about two miles 00:03:38.830 --> 00:03:39.479 an hour. 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:44.120 And given that data collection, the new data collection, 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:48.080 there's more reason not to go in the direction 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:49.520 of changing any speed limits. 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:53.469 First, none of the ordinances in the city support this as 00:03:53.469 --> 00:03:53.639 far 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:57.590 as it doesn't but any of the schools, universities, 00:03:57.590 --> 00:03:57.680 churches 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:02.240 or hospitals or that kind of facilities. 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:06.240 And it is primarily a commercial area that it goes through. 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:10.210 Secondly, the current speed that people are mostly 00:04:10.210 --> 00:04:11.080 traveling 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.000 at is much lower than the posted speed limit. 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:18.720 There are no speeding issues, people are actually going 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:19.120 slower 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:20.560 than the posted speed limit. 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:28.199 And third, this area actually does not, I mean, 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:31.120 it is being considered, it will be under construction 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:34.600 for a long time so any changes right now would not reflect 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:38.439 or would not be implemented for a long time. 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:40.639 So there are several things happening in this area. 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:43.639 There's a larger project, Hickory Street Project 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:48.480 which consists of water, wastewater as well as street work 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:51.829 and it will go towards the end of next year for 00:04:51.829 --> 00:04:52.759 construction. 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:55.759 So based on all these different items, it's recommended, 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:59.639 staff recommends that we do not lower the speed limit 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:01.439 and leave the speed limit as it is. 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:02.120 Question? 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:06.170 Is there any new, like is the street being redone in any 00:05:06.170 --> 00:05:06.560 ways? 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:09.600 Because obviously that, I think what a lot of stuff shows, 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:13.240 that's a better way to slow speed down is to make it feel 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:15.439 like you should drive slower instead of just fine. 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:16.639 So is there anything? 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:19.480 Yes, there is something being considered, 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:21.240 especially this section. 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:24.360 Currently there are no bike lanes. 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:28.310 Bike lanes are being considered, remove the parking in this 00:05:28.310 --> 00:05:28.800 area 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:33.399 between Avenue B and Avenue A is being considered as well 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:38.639 as I don't know what the schedule or don't have enough 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:39.480 information 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:45.350 but there is a project being considered to move the curb 00:05:45.350 --> 00:05:46.279 line 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:49.920 on the north side of Hickory to reduce the overall width 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:53.920 of the street and add more pedestrian elements 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:55.199 such as street lighting. 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:58.839 That's part of the project that is being considered. 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:01.959 I do not have a schedule or don't know what the cost 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:03.959 or any of these are. 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:04.759 Has there been any talk 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:07.839 of those bike lanes being protected at all? 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:10.879 There were a couple alternatives that we looked at, 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:11.600 some alternatives. 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:13.319 Probably bollards. 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:17.000 Bollards, we'll most likely put in bollards or some type 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:20.000 of delineators that would be a couple feet high 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:24.000 and there are some curves that we can look at too. 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:25.319 I mean-- 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:26.899 >> Is it-- 'cause there's parking on both sides right now, 00:06:26.899 --> 00:06:27.319 right? 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:28.319 >> Correct. 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.079 >> Have we-- and I'm not sure if this is a good option. 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:33.279 I'm honestly just asking if we ever thought of shifting one 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:37.790 of the parking lanes out to have the inside lane be a bike 00:06:37.790 --> 00:06:38.319 lane 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:40.279 and that way cars would serve as a buffer 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:41.800 without even needing to-- 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.439 >> Currently we don't have that kind of width. 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:45.720 Currently we don't. 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:47.240 In order to put in the bike lanes, 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:49.399 we will have to remove parking. 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:50.800 >> Okay. 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:56.720 >> I know-- is it off topic for me to ask 00:06:56.720 --> 00:07:02.759 where the bollards are currently being considered? 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:03.360 >> Yes ma'am. 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:07.040 >> Okay. Thanks. 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:09.959 Thanks Kim. 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:12.600 >> Any other questions? 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:21.920 >> Okay. We have one request to speak on the agenda item. 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:26.240 So I have Kim McKibbin and if you would go for it, 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:28.680 say your name, address. 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.680 >> And am I getting to 10 minutes as I'm speaking 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:33.680 for a group of over 10? 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:35.480 >> Do you have-- 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:37.360 >> 10 minutes for the petition. 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:39.959 It was kind of squelched and I can explain that but-- 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:40.360 >> Okay. 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:41.040 >> I choose not to. 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:41.319 >> Okay. 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:43.360 >> My name is Kim McKibbin. 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:49.199 I own the business and the building at 1306 West Hickory. 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:53.870 I am here representing the Fry Street Merchants Association 00:07:53.870 --> 00:07:54.079 . 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:58.160 It was the Fry Street Merchants Association which requested 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:01.720 that the speed limit be dropped in this area. 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.240 The reason being is because it is a congested, 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:07.720 heavily trafficked area. 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:13.879 The first study that was done was done in August, 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:17.319 August the 1st to August the 6th I believe. 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:19.439 And then the second study that was done 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:22.279 which I think is much more relevant was done 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:27.170 from October the 4th which was a Wednesday afternoon 00:08:27.170 --> 00:08:27.759 starting 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:32.230 at-- let me see, let me make sure I give you the right 00:08:32.230 --> 00:08:33.840 information. 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:41.320 Six, seven, I've got my papers upside down, I'm sorry. 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:48.190 It's the second one which was done starting on August the 4 00:08:48.190 --> 00:08:48.960 th. 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:54.830 I did contact the officer who conducted the study and thank 00:08:54.830 --> 00:08:55.039 you 00:08:55.039 --> 00:09:00.399 for leaving this up so I can use it as a guideline here. 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:02.399 So I'm going to try to talk loud enough 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:04.360 that you can hear me from the microphone. 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:07.200 We are talking about this block-- 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:08.759 >> I got the light on Kim. 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:10.039 >> Right there. 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:13.399 >> It's telling me it's not picking up. 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:17.159 >> So we are in that block between where you see Chipotle 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:19.080 and where it's the-- 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:21.279 >> Can you give me the lights if you want? 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:21.279 >> Will it? 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:24.559 Yes, this one right here. 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:27.840 This is the youth center at Fry Street. 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.279 I called them today. 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:36.039 There's 614 student beds in that complex. 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:41.879 This is where all of Lucky Lou's and all the restaurants 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:45.440 and these things are down through here in Rip Rocks. 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:49.679 Okay, now although there is no church between-- 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:54.399 or school between here and here, there is a church here, 00:09:54.399 --> 00:10:01.340 the Latter Day Saints, there is a church here, the Village 00:10:01.340 --> 00:10:02.080 Church. 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:06.879 This is a UNT campus, annex building, 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:10.480 and this building right here is another church. 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:12.720 Now Google doesn't always show you where those things are 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:15.720 but I just want you to take that into perspective. 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:19.220 And if you look very closely at the traffic study, you're 00:10:19.220 --> 00:10:19.399 going 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:23.519 to see if you add everything up and the sergeant does that. 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:26.980 Unfortunately, you only get one statistical analysis with 00:10:26.980 --> 00:10:27.320 this. 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:28.600 It's in a PDF form. 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.320 You can't manipulate the data or anything. 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:35.080 But I did do a little bit of math for you. 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:40.399 They looked at the both lanes, both the south lane 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:42.039 and the north lane here. 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:47.639 The radar was put on a pole because I said we never saw any 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:48.320 things on the ground. 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:54.519 They do that on a pole now. 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:57.600 And it was located right here 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:00.279 where those little skinny apartments are, 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:01.919 right past Lucky Loos. 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:04.440 So he was able to look at both of these lanes. 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:09.080 So during the periods which started on one lane, 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:13.029 October the 10th, which was a Wednesday at 6 o'clock at 00:11:13.029 --> 00:11:13.039 night 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:16.440 and went to 11 o'clock, and the other lane which started 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:18.799 at 2 o'clock on that same Wednesday and went 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:23.279 to 11 o'clock that night, they went all the way 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:25.320 through the following Tuesday the 10th, 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:27.519 which is unfortunate that they didn't catch Tuesday. 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:30.639 Tuesday afternoons is the busiest time in this area 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:32.159 for some reason. 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:34.120 They went all the way through the following Tuesday, 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:38.070 October the 10th, from midnight to 4 o'clock in the 00:11:38.070 --> 00:11:38.639 afternoon. 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:45.960 Now during that time, there were 41,087 cars or vehicles 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:49.440 of some sort that went through this corridor right here 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:51.240 in both the lanes. 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:57.480 Now remember, there are 680 some odd suit apartments here 00:11:57.480 --> 00:12:00.559 and there are bars, there are eating places. 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:05.360 All of this is a retail area up through here 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:08.600 and you've got churches and all these other things. 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:11.559 So what we had done is ask them to slow down the traffic 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:14.919 to reduce the speed limits simply because we were told 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:19.039 at one point that that was the quickest, most efficient way 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:23.120 to increase safety for the pedestrians, for the people 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.799 that were out there, for all of our patrons 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:26.759 and everything like that. 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:30.320 We are very concerned that there are accidents 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:32.600 and things going on. 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:34.279 They will tell you there have been no accidents 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:36.480 but there are quite a few near misses. 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:39.000 People do have accidents getting in and out of the parking 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:39.320 here, 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:41.559 getting in and out of this and the students walk 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:44.559 out into the street without any concern whatsoever 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:47.559 about who's there, what's going on. 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:52.039 So once again, we're looking at 41,087 cars. 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:57.600 Well, only one of those in one lane was going over 50 miles 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:00.480 an hour, just one occurrence of that. 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:04.159 And only four in the other lane were going between 46 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:05.320 and 50 miles an hour. 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:07.360 So, you know, when you look at that, 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:09.559 maybe that doesn't sound so bad. 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:18.240 But of that, of those 41,087 cars, 550 of them were going 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:20.799 over 30 miles an hour. 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:22.879 So when you look at percentages, it really kind 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:25.440 of skews it just a little bit. 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:29.240 So how many speeding cars are you willing to allow? 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:32.039 Can we increase the safety by dropping it to 30 miles an 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:32.600 hour? 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:34.919 I don't know the answer to that question. 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:39.159 But I do know that 13.38% of the cars, if you want to deal 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:43.039 in percentages, are speeding through that area. 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.879 But speeding was not the reason we brought this here. 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:49.759 We're not complaining about the cars that are speeding. 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:56.000 We are very clearly attempting to create a safety zone 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:56.759 for people. 00:13:56.759 --> 00:13:59.159 We cannot get crosswalks in the middle of the block. 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:00.919 Those have been denied. 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:03.360 Yes, there's going to be a lot of construction going on 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:04.679 down here. 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:08.629 And we are looking at trying to increase that as the Fry 00:14:08.629 --> 00:14:08.639 Street 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:13.519 Merchants Owners and Managers Association. 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:17.519 So there was also some stuff, if you read in the packets 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:20.919 and on the thing, about a state law that mandates what the 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:21.279 speed 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:22.840 limits can be. 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:26.789 Now, it mandates what the speed limits can be on state 00:14:26.789 --> 00:14:27.120 roads 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:31.080 and on roads that are adjacent to state roads. 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:35.480 It states in there, in some of the 41 pages of it, 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.120 that cities can set their own speed limits. 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:42.600 And they can set ordinances to decide what those things are 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:42.960 . 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:44.279 So I'm asking you. 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:50.360 I wanted you to be perfectly clear about what we were 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:50.840 asking 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:53.639 for and what's being presented to you. 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:59.759 Please do not confuse this issue with anything related 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:03.559 to the parking or bike lane that is inappropriate. 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:06.279 Those decisions have not been made. 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:11.759 And I think that that's wrong to mix these issues. 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:15.879 Do you have your petition to enter into record? 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:18.440 Well, we had someone come to a meeting 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:21.240 and say that it was against the law to reduce the speed 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:22.639 limits to 30 miles an hour. 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:26.600 No, I mean your petition from the other members of the Fry 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:28.440 Street Merchants Association? 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.759 No, I did not bring that with me because one of the people 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:34.480 backed out completely when they were told there weren't 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:35.399 any speed limits at all. 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:36.840 I'm just asking because we're looking for-- 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:36.840 I know. 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:38.559 I told you I would bring it. 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:40.000 I wrote it up. 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.480 A lot of people signed it, but I did not bring it with me 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:44.039 tonight. 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:46.240 And I apologize for that, but I saw no reason 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.399 once I read everything that was here tonight. 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:49.879 OK. 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:50.879 All right. 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:51.519 Anything? 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:52.039 Yes. 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:56.279 When you say the bike lane issues and this issue 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:58.120 are unrelated, is that because we don't know what's 00:15:58.120 --> 00:15:59.480 going to happen with the bike lane? 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:04.679 I think it's because it's two very separate issues. 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:08.480 The speed limit in the bike lane and the parking 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:10.080 are all separate issues. 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:11.759 I think there's-- I mean, that's something 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:13.039 I'd be happy to discuss. 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:14.360 I think there's a lot of-- 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:16.399 how does this go? 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:18.919 I think there's a lot of evidence 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:20.919 that bike lanes can slow down cars. 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:22.759 And we may sometimes do it more effectively 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:23.759 than speed limits can. 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:25.320 So it just might be something to look at again. 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:28.039 I think there's a lot of other ways to slow down cars. 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:30.039 In addition, and just looking at all the options 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:32.279 might be something worth taking a look at. 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:34.480 There are multiple calming techniques 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:37.159 that can be utilized to narrow the lanes, 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:39.440 to slow the cars down, and things like that. 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:41.559 And they're called calming buffers 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:44.080 or those sorts of things. 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:46.240 The bike lane is very contentious in the fact 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:49.200 that it removes over-- 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:52.000 removes a whole lot of parking from the retail area. 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:53.639 So that's why I would really like 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:57.480 to have the safety issues in the area and that considered 00:16:57.480 --> 00:16:58.279 separately. 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:01.720 I do bike to your coffee shop almost three times a week. 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:03.000 I appreciate it. 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:04.839 I appreciate the investment in the community. 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:08.559 It's a really interesting discussion to figure out. 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:10.039 Does anyone else have questions? 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:13.480 All right. 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:14.000 Thank you. 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:14.480 Thank you. 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:18.480 Discussion? 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:27.799 I had a question for whoever about enforcement. 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:32.960 Would this be UNT police enforcement or would it be-- 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:33.920 It would be the city. 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:34.880 --the city enforcement? 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:42.119 Do they have any opinions about having 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:45.400 to enforce a lower speed limit on one block? 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:50.759 Is that really going to affect them? 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:51.559 Enforcement? 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:56.359 I don't see enforcement related to this particular segment 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:58.640 as far as speed is concerned. 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:04.079 It's below speed limit. 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:04.559 OK. 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:12.880 I have a comment. 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:15.480 I am all for public safety and I wouldn't want to do 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:15.880 anything, 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:17.359 make a decision to compromise that. 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:20.000 But just in my personal experience 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:22.920 driving down Hickory, there's so many stoplights 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:26.279 that I hardly catch all the greens when I'm on my way down. 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:27.960 So honestly, a time that I've ever 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:29.920 been able to get my car above 30 miles an hour, 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:31.799 I can't really think of one. 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:35.119 Because that or there's folks going through the crosswalk 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:36.079 or people parking. 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:38.839 And those to me are-- 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:41.920 this is not a study, but to me are variables 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:44.839 that would cause me to slow down. 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:47.519 So I have a hard time justifying going through all the 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:47.799 trouble 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:50.359 to reduce the speed limit for one block, 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:52.440 knowing the kind of environmental factors that are 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:55.119 in play currently. 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:56.359 This is kind of off the wall. 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:58.839 I have a lot of ridiculous ideas. 00:18:58.839 --> 00:18:59.680 Bear with me. 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:02.279 Have we ever thought of that where we do actually 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:04.200 have crosswalks about doing something? 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:07.309 A lot of cities are adding these really bright, vibrant 00:19:07.309 --> 00:19:07.519 crosswalks. 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:09.059 And what they tend to do is they tend 00:19:09.059 --> 00:19:11.160 to focus a lot of attention where people slow down 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:12.759 to pay attention to their environment. 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:13.759 Because they're like, what is this? 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:15.200 What am I driving into? 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:16.240 And that can do a lot. 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:17.720 So there's been some really cool ones. 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:21.240 And with UNT being there, it'd be interesting to see if we 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:24.000 repainted it, which I'm just looking at Google Earth now. 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:26.880 I don't know if it's as faded as here, worse or better 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:27.559 than it was here. 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:30.200 It's a pretty faded, easy to ignore crosswalk now. 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.079 So maybe just as in the big picture of solutions, 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:37.240 maybe that's another idea that could be quick and cheap. 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:39.359 I think with the street project coming in, 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:42.599 they will definitely have brand new crosswalks 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:46.400 and brand new ramps at these intersections, 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:48.240 some of the intersections. 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.960 So definitely brighten it up once it's said and done. 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:00.640 OK, well our two choices are to either recommend 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:04.880 that we not change the speed limit, 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:08.829 no changes to posted speed limit along that portion of Hick 00:20:08.829 --> 00:20:09.079 ory, 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:12.759 or to provide staff with additional direction. 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:14.480 What is the will of the committee? 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:20.799 Jim? 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:23.920 I'll make a motion that we accept this staff 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:25.319 recommendation. 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:25.839 OK. 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:26.799 Second. 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:28.359 Hold second though. 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:29.960 OK. 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:31.240 All in favor? 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:34.400 Accepting staff recommendation of no changes. 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:34.960 Aye. 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:35.680 Aye. 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:36.200 Aye. 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:37.880 Aye. 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:39.880 OK, thank you. 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:48.680 OK, moving on to item C, TSC 17-017. 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:51.559 This is to receive a report, hold a discussion, 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:54.599 and provide direction regarding resident concerns 00:20:54.599 --> 00:20:58.880 along Hobson Street. 00:20:58.880 --> 00:20:59.640 All right. 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:12.000 This relates to Hobson Street right off of Teasley 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:13.440 and the South Lake Park. 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:16.000 Let me just zoom into that area and then I'll 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:19.440 start talking a little bit about what it means, 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:20.519 what the project is. 00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:28.920 So I think back in May, June time frame, 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:34.400 we received a couple letters from the residents that 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:38.599 actually live in the Forest Ridge neighborhood. 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:39.119 Where am I? 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:40.640 OK, right there. 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:45.279 So Forest Ridge neighborhood is this area down here. 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:52.920 And the complaint from the residents primarily was-- 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:56.720 or the concern was they needed some type of protection 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:00.440 for an existing crosswalk here and also look 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:02.440 at this intersection with Forest Ridge 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:07.319 as to find a way to actually get across Hobson, 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:11.319 either by putting in a brand new traffic signal, 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:15.559 some type of protected area for people to cross. 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:22.440 And the concern that came up was due to a lot of kids 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:26.759 that were actually crossing the whole entire park area 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:31.000 and going to McMatt Middle School. 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:34.799 So what we did is we staff collected data. 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:38.400 We waited for the summer to get over. 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:39.960 There was no point collecting data. 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:41.039 The school was out. 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:46.019 So that's one of the reasons we waited for all the way from 00:22:46.019 --> 00:22:46.519 May. 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:52.519 And then we collected data in the month of October. 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:55.960 And just a little bit of background on Hobson Lane. 00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:59.559 Hobson Lane is an arterial street, 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:01.279 and it has quite a bit of traffic. 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:04.039 It has close to 8,000 daily vehicles 00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:05.680 that go back and forth. 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:11.390 It provides a primary connection between these two major 00:23:11.390 --> 00:23:12.039 arterials, 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:16.079 which are TechStop facilities, FM 2181 is Teasley. 00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:22.039 And then the Country Club Road, which is FM 1830. 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:28.779 And primarily during the peak hours, there are about 700 00:23:28.779 --> 00:23:29.160 cars 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:34.039 that go through in front of Forest Ridge and Santa Monica. 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:38.640 So when we collected the traffic data, we did find 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:41.359 that there was very little traffic on these cross streets. 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:43.000 Santa Monica is this Forest Ridge. 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:46.990 So it did not really warrant a traffic signal at these 00:23:46.990 --> 00:23:48.079 locations. 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:53.109 So based on the state and federal guidelines, it's not 00:23:53.109 --> 00:23:53.839 recommended 00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:56.079 that we install any traffic signals here. 00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:58.279 And that's not the recommendation. 00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:04.279 So what I started looking into once we crossed that path is 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:06.559 how can we make 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:10.119 this particular intersection better. 00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:12.440 Landed me in the-- 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:20.160 and currently when you look at the crosswalk, you can 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:22.440 actually see 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:25.079 that there's-- I'm trying to make it. 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:26.400 >> It doesn't want to be there. 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.599 >> It doesn't-- there we are. 00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:31.759 Okay. So currently there is a crosswalk. 00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:36.230 This is the crosswalk we're talking about that does not 00:24:36.230 --> 00:24:38.920 have the ADA ramps 00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:41.640 and that's something that we will have to look into 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:45.880 if we get to changing any elements of the crosswalk. 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:50.920 But what currently I'm suggesting is changing the signage 00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:51.640 that are 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:56.309 on either side of the crosswalk to make it a flashing sign 00:24:56.309 --> 00:24:57.960 in the back of your packet. 00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:02.160 If you can look at the-- I provide an example. 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:06.039 Those flashing signs when mounted, they will have-- 00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:10.069 they will also have a taller pole and they will have video 00:25:10.069 --> 00:25:10.799 detection 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:15.079 to detect pedestrians in the pedestrian zone area. 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:17.640 Once that is detected, it will start flashing. 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:21.589 We don't want something that flashes 24/7, then that loses 00:25:21.589 --> 00:25:23.119 its whole importance. 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:29.059 And specifically this will help kids crossing in the 00:25:29.059 --> 00:25:30.599 morning time 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:35.269 and given the winter months up ahead, one of the things is 00:25:35.269 --> 00:25:36.720 that kids start going 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.549 to the school early in the morning and it's pretty fairly 00:25:39.549 --> 00:25:40.039 dark. 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:46.390 So we want to make sure that if we-- or the recommendation 00:25:46.390 --> 00:25:47.640 is when we replace this 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:53.099 to a flashing, it would provide a better signal to the 00:25:53.099 --> 00:25:54.000 motorists 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:58.470 and it would add another layer of safety as far as not 00:25:58.470 --> 00:25:59.880 ifying the vehicles, you know, 00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:03.490 there's someone in the crosswalk that is going to walk 00:26:03.490 --> 00:26:04.160 through. 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:08.109 There are some additional signage up and down that allude 00:26:08.109 --> 00:26:09.839 to the vehicles 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:13.000 that you know you're approaching a pedestrian crossing area 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:13.839 such as that. 00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:16.680 Please slow down to 20 miles an hour. 00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:21.240 When we did the-- where did we do? 00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:28.930 I think we did collect some of the-- we did collect speed 00:26:28.930 --> 00:26:30.680 surveys along the street 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:37.039 and I think we're closer to a-- closer to 30 miles an hour 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:39.079 of the speed along this segment. 00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:43.029 So even when vehicles are driving in this segment right in 00:26:43.029 --> 00:26:43.720 front of the crosswalk, 00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:47.549 they're still continuing driving 30 but having that flash 00:26:47.549 --> 00:26:48.640 at the right time similar 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:52.779 to the one across the street at-- on McKinney, it would 00:26:52.779 --> 00:26:55.440 provide better notification 00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:59.079 or alert the drivers about pedestrians. 00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:02.410 So what staff has recommended at this point just based on 00:27:02.410 --> 00:27:04.720 the concerns from the resident is 00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:10.589 to go ahead and at least start looking into funding options 00:27:10.589 --> 00:27:12.519 to get this thing installed. 00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:17.190 We don't have the funding identified but it shouldn't be an 00:27:17.190 --> 00:27:17.880 issue. 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:23.240 We can identify some funds because it's a-- 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:27.450 it is a better solution for improving the safety of this 00:27:27.450 --> 00:27:28.920 intersection. 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:32.880 Questions? 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:37.359 Is this one like the one that's right out here on McKinney? 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:40.460 >> The one on McKinney has rapid flashing beacons that are 00:27:40.460 --> 00:27:41.359 slightly different 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:43.759 but they have both elements. 00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:46.359 They have the other ones that are advanced signage that bl 00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:46.680 inks, 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:49.000 the whole sign blinks on the side. 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:53.799 So this one will be the LEDs on the side of the sign. 00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:56.839 So if you look at this, whoops. 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:00.420 So the sign will have LEDs along the edges and they will 00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:00.960 only blink 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:04.279 when they detect a pedestrian at the intersection. 00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:04.920 >> Thank you. 00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:07.920 >> For the McKinney one, I think you have to hit the push 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:09.440 button and then you can go. 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:13.039 This one, all you have to do is walk into that zone. 00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:21.680 >> Is that-- does that demand a lot of upkeep? 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:24.680 >> These are solar powered and battery. 00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:29.680 So maintenance at least as far as I know is pretty low. 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.000 The newer models are getting better and better. 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:35.210 So once in a while, every few years, we might have to 00:28:35.210 --> 00:28:35.920 change the battery 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:38.240 but other than that, there's barely any maintenance. 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:43.349 And LED lights, they require a really low voltage and those 00:28:43.349 --> 00:28:44.519 lights go on for years, 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.720 15, 16 years is standard life for LED bulbs. 00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.359 >> I was just wondering about the motion detecting. 00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:53.079 >> The cameras, barely. 00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:58.240 I mean, it doesn't use that much energy either. 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.079 >> So the crosswalk has got a little bit of a diagonal. 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:04.119 I've never noticed that. 00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:04.480 >> Yes. 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:07.950 >> So pedestrians are on the street a little bit longer 00:29:07.950 --> 00:29:08.599 here. 00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:10.160 They don't get to go as the crow flies. 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:13.400 >> And if you look at it, it is a part of a bigger project. 00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:13.880 This is-- 00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:14.279 >> Right. 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:17.440 >> This is a drainage channel that goes downhill into the 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:18.920 ditch and then it goes-- 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:23.480 it flows under the street to the other side. 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:26.839 So this is-- it's a bigger project. 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:31.660 This crosswalk most likely was put in as a temporary fix to 00:29:31.660 --> 00:29:35.039 , you know, at least get people across. 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:37.640 But this is not ADA compliant and this is something 00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:41.589 on our radar will most likely work on getting some funding 00:29:41.589 --> 00:29:42.680 and fixing this corner. 00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:46.660 But it is a large project because there is a good amount of 00:29:46.660 --> 00:29:49.559 drainage work that needs to be done. 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:50.799 >> Yeah. 00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:54.880 >> Okay. 00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:57.799 Any other questions, comments? 00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:10.720 Commissions feeling about the flashing walk sign? 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:11.839 >> Seems like a good idea. 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:12.400 >> Yeah. 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:14.839 >> Mm-hmm. 00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:16.200 Agreed. 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:20.119 >> We don't have anybody speaking. 00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:22.559 I guess not. 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.960 >> Okay, carry on. 00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:27.079 I just lost my agenda. 00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:27.920 Hang on. 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:31.440 I have no idea what we're doing. 00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:33.279 That's not true. 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:42.400 Okay, that brings us to item D, TSC 17-018 staff reports 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:43.920 including-- 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:45.799 >> Fah, fah, fah. 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:46.480 >> The matrix. 00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:47.160 >> The matrix. 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:50.640 >> Do we need to vote on that? 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:51.720 >> No. 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.480 >> We don't need to vote, do we? 00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:54.240 >> You can. 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:58.190 I think there's a number one that says recommend 00:30:58.190 --> 00:31:00.039 installation and number two is provide direction. 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:01.279 >> Okey-dokey. 00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:04.920 >> Also, I'll move to accept staff recommendation. 00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:08.000 >> Okay. 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:08.640 Floating? 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:09.519 Everybody okay? 00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:09.880 >> Mm-hmm. 00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:10.039 >> Yes. 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:10.880 >> All right. 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:12.359 Let's do it. 00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:15.799 >> Matrix. 00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:21.240 >> All right. 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.000 We can move on to the next item which is matrix. 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:28.160 I don't have any staff report unless-- 00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:34.720 Okay. Probably bring in more information next time around. 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.319 The first item is just a placeholder. 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.759 I think they're still working on comprehensive downtown 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:42.400 plan. 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:46.640 There is nothing-- they want to look at ballet loading 00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:49.079 zones, sidewalk cafe, 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:53.029 and all kinds of stuff they're going to combine but that is 00:31:53.029 --> 00:31:53.759 still in the works. 00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.359 Nothing has been decided. 00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:59.839 >> Can I add something kind of to that? 00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:00.599 >> To that? 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:04.549 >> Yes, because there's been discussion of the handicap 00:32:04.549 --> 00:32:07.480 parking spots on Elm Street. 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:12.880 So there are apparently handicap parking places that are 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:17.000 close to the corner of Elm Street 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.950 and Hickory, however, if you park in those, obviously you 00:32:20.950 --> 00:32:23.079 've got a wall in front of you. 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:29.029 So the access to-- from handicap parking place to an actual 00:32:29.029 --> 00:32:31.599 ramp is, you know, large. 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.329 So you can't park, get out, and find yourself at a ramp 00:32:35.329 --> 00:32:35.960 immediately. 00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:36.559 >> Oh. 00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:40.509 >> There's a couple of places I believe on that particular 00:32:40.509 --> 00:32:42.119 side of the square, 00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:46.839 on the southwest side of the square. 00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:48.319 >> Southwest. 00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:54.430 >> So the building that is-- maybe it's even called the H 00:32:54.430 --> 00:32:56.000 ickory Building. 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:57.559 Yeah, maps. 00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:04.079 [ Inaudible Remark ] 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:05.319 >> Yeah, that side of it. 00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:05.960 >> Right here? 00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:07.279 >> The other side. 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:08.799 Keep going right there. 00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:13.470 So there's a handicap parking spot right there but when you 00:33:13.470 --> 00:33:14.480 park, 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.880 you run up against the wall. 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:21.319 [ Inaudible Remark ] 00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:22.519 >> The tallest curb in this? 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:25.240 Yeah. Exactly. 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:33.799 [ Inaudible Remark ] 00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:35.680 >> So this is the intersection? 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:40.740 >> Yes, and that-- from what I understand, that block, both 00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:42.519 the Hickory side 00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:48.359 and the Elm Street side of that particular little quadrant. 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:51.740 >> So this side you're talking about is the problem or this 00:33:51.740 --> 00:33:52.359 side? 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:54.920 >> The west side. 00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:55.680 >> The west side? 00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:57.240 >> West side is the problem, right. 00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.039 >> So accessing this building? 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:01.519 >> Oh, that thing. 00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:02.279 >> Yeah. 00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:07.009 >> Okay. We-- I'm currently working with-- to answer your 00:34:07.009 --> 00:34:07.440 question, 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.039 working with development services and if you look 00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:17.400 at this particular striped area, that one. 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:18.360 >> Okay. 00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.400 >> We are working on making that a handicap space. 00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:22.599 >> Okay. Okay. 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:23.800 That's going to help. 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:24.159 Okay. 00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:28.829 >> So that might help access this building because we are 00:34:28.829 --> 00:34:30.360 aware of this issue. 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:31.480 >> Okay. Okay. 00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:32.639 Perfect. 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:35.159 >> You'll need to put in a ramp then, right? 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.760 >> The ramp would either go this way or that way. 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.489 But there are some challenges with drainage so we're 00:34:41.489 --> 00:34:42.920 working on that. 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:43.719 >> Okay. Okay. 00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:46.960 Good. Thank you. 00:34:54.400 --> 00:35:00.269 >> Okay. The next three items we already discussed that 00:35:00.269 --> 00:35:03.559 were on today's agenda. 00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:06.960 Item number-- moving on to item number 6. 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.159 Let's get five. 00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:13.440 Parking on Marianas Street between Oak and Scripture. 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:18.320 Now, I know some of you are aware of the way it's called 00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:19.360 today. 00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:20.360 It's small area plan. 00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:22.000 They're going to change the name. 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:29.690 But this particular plan encompasses a UNT campus and a few 00:35:29.690 --> 00:35:32.239 blocks on either side all the way 00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:40.579 from Panhandle to the north to 35 and then Bonnie Bray to 00:35:40.579 --> 00:35:42.159 almost Carroll. 00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:46.659 And that entire area is going to be looked at specifically 00:35:46.659 --> 00:35:51.440 focusing large portion of it on parking. 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:56.860 So we will be looking at parking and how to address this 00:35:56.860 --> 00:36:00.840 whole ongoing UNT replacing all their parking lots 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:04.159 into buildings, how to address that. 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.000 We are also working with UNT to find out how they're going 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:08.360 to implement their master plan 00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:11.719 and where their large parking lot is going to be. 00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:16.829 But as part of that, we will be looking at on-street 00:36:16.829 --> 00:36:18.719 parking within that whole area 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:21.800 and this street is covered under that. 00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.199 The next one is also the same issue. 00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.679 It's south of Eagle on Panhandle Street. 00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:33.820 We have received complaint and in the immediate near term 00:36:33.820 --> 00:36:37.280 kind of deal, we will start enforcing it. 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:42.679 We started a pilot program to improve visibility, 00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:44.079 especially at intersections. 00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:48.550 And we have in the ordinance that cars shouldn't be parked 00:36:48.550 --> 00:36:51.119 within 30 feet of a stop sign. 00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:53.599 And that's not being followed. 00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:58.159 So we started a pilot program of installing little plaques 00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:00.480 under the stop sign saying, hey, 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.480 this is the law or the ordinance, do not park here. 00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.820 And we go out there and cars are parked right under that 00:37:06.820 --> 00:37:09.000 sign, right under the plaque. 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:14.400 So we have decided to move to the next step, which is 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.159 enforcement. 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:19.380 And we'll start doing that and hopefully we can start 00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:20.639 getting better. 00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:24.590 I understand that visibility issues are big, especially 00:37:24.590 --> 00:37:27.559 where the cars are parked in the corner. 00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:31.510 So but long term, the small area plan will identify and 00:37:31.510 --> 00:37:32.599 define that we might be able 00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:36.550 to better mark the spaces that way people are not too close 00:37:36.550 --> 00:37:40.360 to the intersections and driveways. 00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:44.960 And then the last one was Old North and University. 00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:48.929 Yes, the two approaches on Old North, North South 00:37:48.929 --> 00:37:51.880 approaches are aligned slightly. 00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.519 They're skewed and there is some concern there. 00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:57.440 There is a signal there. 00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:05.579 So it's not a big safety hazard because the cars are not 00:38:05.579 --> 00:38:07.840 speeding or not entering their section 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:11.789 at a high speed currently, but in the long term we've 00:38:11.789 --> 00:38:13.039 identified it as a project. 00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:17.289 And we're working with finance to get some of these smaller 00:38:17.289 --> 00:38:18.000 projects funded 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.599 so that we can add a separate left turn lane that might be 00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:22.960 protected versus a through lane and all that. 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:26.400 So get that intersection fixed better. 00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:28.400 All right. 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.679 I think we're. 00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:31.159 All right. 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:35.159 Anyone have anything to add to the matrix? 00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:38.769 I potentially have one and this is some teachers in Denton 00:38:38.769 --> 00:38:39.519 ISD asked me 00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:44.250 about this one was basically where Old Alton Road is 00:38:44.250 --> 00:38:46.639 leading up to Geyer High School 00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:49.639 and just that students were walking along that road and I 00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:51.920 haven't been over there recently myself. 00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:55.170 But what it looks like on Google Maps is that the sidewalk 00:38:55.170 --> 00:38:57.039 goes for a little bit and then ends 00:38:57.039 --> 00:38:59.300 and then there's the bridge and some students are just like 00:38:59.300 --> 00:39:01.079 crossing that and basically cars are coming 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:04.280 around a corner and students are walking the opposite 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:06.639 direction of that without any sidewalks 00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.239 or anywhere to go because the bridge has no pedestrian 00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:10.039 access. 00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:13.440 I've received concerns that was a dangerous situation we 00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:14.920 don't want to look at. 00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:18.079 So you're specifically talking about the bridge that's just 00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:21.920 south of Teasley or FM 2181 on Old Alton. 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.239 It's basically the block off Teasley on Old Alton Road. 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.320 Okay. Sidewalks through that bridge area. 00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:31.760 I will look into this and get back to you next meeting. 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.980 I don't know if we have-- I don't know how far the city 00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:37.199 limits go and TGA and stuff like that. 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:38.440 So I'll definitely-- 00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:38.840 >> Yep. 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:39.760 >> Good night. 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:43.400 >> It's an impressive map memory. 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:45.840 I don't know exactly where that was. 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:48.079 I was like looking at the map and I'm like yes, exactly. 00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:50.920 So south of Teasley. 00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:52.599 Impressive. 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:53.400 >> Good map memory. 00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:54.760 I like that. 00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:59.800 [ Laughter ] 00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:01.360 >> Anything else? 00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:02.039 Anybody else? 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:05.119 Any matrix items? 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:08.599 Okay. So I have a question. 00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:11.639 At one point, I wanted to add to the matrix. 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:14.800 It's been probably a couple of years but I was wondering 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.559 about the status of some type 00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:21.840 of safe passage sidewalk along Mingo. 00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:29.159 Because when you get to that part that just starts peeling 00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:31.320 off Bell Avenue, 00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:34.480 there are apartment complexes along there. 00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.639 It goes out to Shiloh Fields. 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:41.159 It goes to another community garden. 00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:46.199 So-- and there's no contiguous sidewalk in that area. 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:51.480 But the potential for a lot of bike or pedestrian traffic. 00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.159 >> It is very harrowing. 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:54.159 >> Mm-hmm. 00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:55.159 >> Drive through there. 00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:57.559 Every time I drive through, that's my way home. 00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:01.750 I pass two or three bicycles, pedestrians, and they're 00:41:01.750 --> 00:41:03.920 either out in the tall grass walking 00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:06.519 or they're right on the edge of the lane. 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.519 >> So Mingo between Bell? 00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:10.519 >> Between Bell and-- 00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:11.920 >> And Old Nor? 00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:13.119 >> Old Nor. 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:13.400 >> Okay. 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:19.739 >> Yeah. And it's-- topographically, it's difficult because 00:41:19.739 --> 00:41:21.119 there is a ditch. 00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:25.820 But I think we should think about something we can do with 00:41:25.820 --> 00:41:26.559 that. 00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.960 There's a lot of people that get around. 00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.559 Like I've been over there for years, so I see a lot of the 00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:32.519 same people all the time. 00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:34.550 And they obviously live in those apartments and they're 00:41:34.550 --> 00:41:36.840 walking to work every day. 00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:40.440 Or there's kids walking home from school. 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:44.039 It's a major artery for homeless people too. 00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:48.440 That's getting back and forth from the church. 00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:48.840 >> Great. 00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:50.400 >> Yeah. 00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:52.280 >> Okay. 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:52.719 >> Okay. 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:53.639 >> Okay. 00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:55.039 >> I'll get some more information on this. 00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:55.719 >> Okay. 00:41:55.719 --> 00:42:00.059 >> And then there was an accident on Fort Worth Drive this 00:42:00.059 --> 00:42:00.559 week, 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:03.039 the right in front of the La Quinta. 00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:07.159 And so-- and, you know, I don't drive a lot. 00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:13.119 But there has been some concern about some of the parking-- 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:18.690 or some of the driveways allow you to make left turns on to 00:42:18.690 --> 00:42:20.639 Fort Worth Drive, 00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:25.849 which is really a harrowing situation during some times of 00:42:25.849 --> 00:42:26.880 the day. 00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:29.639 So there's been most time of the day. 00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:33.590 So there is a question about looking at the stretch of Fort 00:42:33.590 --> 00:42:36.400 Worth Drive then between 35 00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:42.159 and-- is it Collins up there where the stoplight is? 00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:43.000 >> Yes. 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:47.920 >> Okay. And so particularly, Lindsey comes out of there, 00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:52.039 comes out of the west side of that area. 00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:56.320 It will be part of the small area plan or it might be part 00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:58.320 of the small area plan. 00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:00.409 Because we're going-- the small area plan is going to go to 00:43:00.409 --> 00:43:01.039 the highway. 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:02.639 Is that accurate? 00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:04.800 The university small area plan? 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:05.519 >> Yes. 00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:10.059 >> And is it bounded not only by Carroll but by Fort Worth 00:43:10.059 --> 00:43:10.480 Drive? 00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:10.760 >> Yes. 00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:11.639 >> To the south? 00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.719 Okay. So as part of the small area plan, I realize that 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:16.039 that might be something 00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:18.780 that we consider but I'd like to kind of put that on the 00:43:18.780 --> 00:43:22.159 city's radar that there-- 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:26.110 there's a lot of difficulty now making left turns but 00:43:26.110 --> 00:43:28.719 people still want to do it. 00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:30.480 >> Yeah. I'll check on this one. 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.320 This might be some-- some-- might require some coordination 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:36.280 with TechStop because it's a TechStop facility. 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:37.039 >> Right. Right. 00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.920 And I know there are places that will preclude a left turn 00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.070 but there are places where you still can and people are not 00:43:45.070 --> 00:43:46.519 good at timing them. 00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:49.650 So there was-- I think a Friday there was an accident at 00:43:49.650 --> 00:43:50.039 the-- 00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.599 right in front of the La Quinta. 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:53.840 >> I've stopped trying to turn left there. 00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:55.880 I just go up Bernard and go around. 00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:56.360 It's-- 00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:57.159 >> Yeah. 00:43:57.159 --> 00:43:59.440 >> You're either sitting there or risking your life. 00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:00.800 You can make that left turn so. 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:05.639 >> Yeah. I always make right turns if possible. 00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.320 Okay. Anything-- anybody have anything else for the matrix? 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:12.289 >> I think this is already been brought up but I just 00:44:12.289 --> 00:44:13.440 wanted to revisit real quick. 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:17.389 Is there-- do you know where we're at with dumpsters on the 00:44:17.389 --> 00:44:18.840 sidewalks on Hickory? 00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:22.789 I mean is that ever an issue we can-- like as a runner, it 00:44:22.789 --> 00:44:23.599 's one of my favorite areas 00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:26.920 to run through is to run over to campus and we just-- 00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:29.789 I don't understand why we allow huge dumpsters to cover the 00:44:29.789 --> 00:44:30.920 sidewalks. 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:32.320 Never get it. 00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:35.440 >> That's been a problem for 30 years. 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:38.360 [ Laughter ] 00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:39.960 >> Dumpsters on sidewalks. 00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:41.360 >> Not all. 00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:45.639 >> I don't think we have progress on any of that stuff. 00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:47.360 I think solid waste is working. 00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:48.730 >> I don't know how waste had worked on it at one point a 00:44:48.730 --> 00:44:49.159 couple years ago. 00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:53.280 There were still spots, you know, where there really was no 00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:55.320 good solution. 00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:58.090 >> Is it-- I mean is there anything on my end that's just a 00:44:58.090 --> 00:44:58.840 citizen I can do? 00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:00.969 Would it be helpful to point out where we still have 00:45:00.969 --> 00:45:04.320 problems or issues or are they very aware? 00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:07.039 >> I mean I think solid waste is aware of it already. 00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.239 But feel free to email me and I can forward on to them. 00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:14.349 >> OK. On just a related note, if anyone's in, going to be 00:45:14.349 --> 00:45:17.159 near the UNT campus tomorrow, 00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:20.380 my social studies education majors, we're going to be doing 00:45:20.380 --> 00:45:22.079 some analysis of the streets 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.059 and scapes and all that kind of stuff for some urban 00:45:24.059 --> 00:45:25.119 geography lessons. 00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:26.820 If you want to come out and-- anyone wants to come out and 00:45:26.820 --> 00:45:29.079 say hi to us, you can email me 00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:31.320 and we're going to be out there for about an hour walking 00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:32.760 up and down the streets taking pictures 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.960 and doing stuff, so. 00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:35.920 >> Street walkers. 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:37.440 >> Yeah. 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:42.599 >> OK. Anybody have anything else for the matrix? 00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:44.480 Getting off light tonight. 00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:49.800 OK. In that case, we can adjourn at 616. 00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:50.559 Thank you.