and it is 531.
The first item of business will be to consider approval
of the Traffic Safety Commission meeting minutes
of September 14th, 2017.
Has everyone had a chance to look at the minutes?
Yes. Does anybody wish to amend, approve?
>> I'll move to approve.
>> Okay, we've got and move to approve.
>> Second.
Everyone in agreement?
Okay. We've approved the minutes of September 14th.
Then the next item of business is BTSC 17-016
to receive a report, hold a discussion,
and provide direction related to speed limit along Hickory
Street
between Avenue A and Weld Street.
>> Thank you.
>> Good evening everyone.
My name is Preetan Deshmukh.
I'm the Stop liaison traffic engineer for the city
and I'll be talking about this first item.
We looked at this item.
It is related to the current speed limit along Hickory
Street
between Avenue B and Avenue A. We're talking
about this small segment.
I'm sorry.
We're talking about between Avenue A and Weld Street.
Currently, Hickory Street has a speed limit of 20 miles an
hour
on the UNT campus side which starts a little bit before
Avenue C and then goes all the way up to Fry Street
and then there is no UNT campus abutting Hickory Street all
the
way where it goes towards Carroll Boulevard.
Previous commissioner, one of the commissioners,
Mr. Hannon suggested that we look at the speed limits
and decrease the speed limit on Hickory Street
between Avenue A and Weld Street.
And when we took some surveys, we brought this item
to the commissioners in this safety commission meeting back
in September and based on the survey data, the 85th percent
ile
which is the speed limit that's used to set
up a bolstered speed limit came out to be 26 miles an hour
based
on that particular survey data.
The survey was conducted for about four days back
at that time and we had a discussion
and it was suggested unanimously that we go another round
of data collection for speed, primarily
because UNT was not in session in the first round
of data collection.
So we went back sometime in October, first week of October,
we actually collected another round of data, UNT was in
session
and the 85th percentile speed at that time was determined
to be 24 miles an hour so we had a drop of about two miles
an hour.
And given that data collection, the new data collection,
there's more reason not to go in the direction
of changing any speed limits.
First, none of the ordinances in the city support this as
far
as it doesn't but any of the schools, universities,
churches
or hospitals or that kind of facilities.
And it is primarily a commercial area that it goes through.
Secondly, the current speed that people are mostly
traveling
at is much lower than the posted speed limit.
There are no speeding issues, people are actually going
slower
than the posted speed limit.
And third, this area actually does not, I mean,
it is being considered, it will be under construction
for a long time so any changes right now would not reflect
or would not be implemented for a long time.
So there are several things happening in this area.
There's a larger project, Hickory Street Project
which consists of water, wastewater as well as street work
and it will go towards the end of next year for
construction.
So based on all these different items, it's recommended,
staff recommends that we do not lower the speed limit
and leave the speed limit as it is.
Question?
Is there any new, like is the street being redone in any
ways?
Because obviously that, I think what a lot of stuff shows,
that's a better way to slow speed down is to make it feel
like you should drive slower instead of just fine.
So is there anything?
Yes, there is something being considered,
especially this section.
Currently there are no bike lanes.
Bike lanes are being considered, remove the parking in this
area
between Avenue B and Avenue A is being considered as well
as I don't know what the schedule or don't have enough
information
but there is a project being considered to move the curb
line
on the north side of Hickory to reduce the overall width
of the street and add more pedestrian elements
such as street lighting.
That's part of the project that is being considered.
I do not have a schedule or don't know what the cost
or any of these are.
Has there been any talk
of those bike lanes being protected at all?
There were a couple alternatives that we looked at,
some alternatives.
Probably bollards.
Bollards, we'll most likely put in bollards or some type
of delineators that would be a couple feet high
and there are some curves that we can look at too.
I mean--
>> Is it-- 'cause there's parking on both sides right now,
right?
>> Correct.
>> Have we-- and I'm not sure if this is a good option.
I'm honestly just asking if we ever thought of shifting one
of the parking lanes out to have the inside lane be a bike
lane
and that way cars would serve as a buffer
without even needing to--
>> Currently we don't have that kind of width.
Currently we don't.
In order to put in the bike lanes,
we will have to remove parking.
>> Okay.
>> I know-- is it off topic for me to ask
where the bollards are currently being considered?
>> Yes ma'am.
>> Okay. Thanks.
Thanks Kim.
>> Any other questions?
>> Okay. We have one request to speak on the agenda item.
So I have Kim McKibbin and if you would go for it,
say your name, address.
>> And am I getting to 10 minutes as I'm speaking
for a group of over 10?
>> Do you have--
>> 10 minutes for the petition.
It was kind of squelched and I can explain that but--
>> Okay.
>> I choose not to.
>> Okay.
>> My name is Kim McKibbin.
I own the business and the building at 1306 West Hickory.
I am here representing the Fry Street Merchants Association
.
It was the Fry Street Merchants Association which requested
that the speed limit be dropped in this area.
The reason being is because it is a congested,
heavily trafficked area.
The first study that was done was done in August,
August the 1st to August the 6th I believe.
And then the second study that was done
which I think is much more relevant was done
from October the 4th which was a Wednesday afternoon
starting
at-- let me see, let me make sure I give you the right
information.
Six, seven, I've got my papers upside down, I'm sorry.
It's the second one which was done starting on August the 4
th.
I did contact the officer who conducted the study and thank
you
for leaving this up so I can use it as a guideline here.
So I'm going to try to talk loud enough
that you can hear me from the microphone.
We are talking about this block--
>> I got the light on Kim.
>> Right there.
>> It's telling me it's not picking up.
>> So we are in that block between where you see Chipotle
and where it's the--
>> Can you give me the lights if you want?
>> Will it?
Yes, this one right here.
This is the youth center at Fry Street.
I called them today.
There's 614 student beds in that complex.
This is where all of Lucky Lou's and all the restaurants
and these things are down through here in Rip Rocks.
Okay, now although there is no church between--
or school between here and here, there is a church here,
the Latter Day Saints, there is a church here, the Village
Church.
This is a UNT campus, annex building,
and this building right here is another church.
Now Google doesn't always show you where those things are
but I just want you to take that into perspective.
And if you look very closely at the traffic study, you're
going
to see if you add everything up and the sergeant does that.
Unfortunately, you only get one statistical analysis with
this.
It's in a PDF form.
You can't manipulate the data or anything.
But I did do a little bit of math for you.
They looked at the both lanes, both the south lane
and the north lane here.
The radar was put on a pole because I said we never saw any
things on the ground.
They do that on a pole now.
And it was located right here
where those little skinny apartments are,
right past Lucky Loos.
So he was able to look at both of these lanes.
So during the periods which started on one lane,
October the 10th, which was a Wednesday at 6 o'clock at
night
and went to 11 o'clock, and the other lane which started
at 2 o'clock on that same Wednesday and went
to 11 o'clock that night, they went all the way
through the following Tuesday the 10th,
which is unfortunate that they didn't catch Tuesday.
Tuesday afternoons is the busiest time in this area
for some reason.
They went all the way through the following Tuesday,
October the 10th, from midnight to 4 o'clock in the
afternoon.
Now during that time, there were 41,087 cars or vehicles
of some sort that went through this corridor right here
in both the lanes.
Now remember, there are 680 some odd suit apartments here
and there are bars, there are eating places.
All of this is a retail area up through here
and you've got churches and all these other things.
So what we had done is ask them to slow down the traffic
to reduce the speed limits simply because we were told
at one point that that was the quickest, most efficient way
to increase safety for the pedestrians, for the people
that were out there, for all of our patrons
and everything like that.
We are very concerned that there are accidents
and things going on.
They will tell you there have been no accidents
but there are quite a few near misses.
People do have accidents getting in and out of the parking
here,
getting in and out of this and the students walk
out into the street without any concern whatsoever
about who's there, what's going on.
So once again, we're looking at 41,087 cars.
Well, only one of those in one lane was going over 50 miles
an hour, just one occurrence of that.
And only four in the other lane were going between 46
and 50 miles an hour.
So, you know, when you look at that,
maybe that doesn't sound so bad.
But of that, of those 41,087 cars, 550 of them were going
over 30 miles an hour.
So when you look at percentages, it really kind
of skews it just a little bit.
So how many speeding cars are you willing to allow?
Can we increase the safety by dropping it to 30 miles an
hour?
I don't know the answer to that question.
But I do know that 13.38% of the cars, if you want to deal
in percentages, are speeding through that area.
But speeding was not the reason we brought this here.
We're not complaining about the cars that are speeding.
We are very clearly attempting to create a safety zone
for people.
We cannot get crosswalks in the middle of the block.
Those have been denied.
Yes, there's going to be a lot of construction going on
down here.
And we are looking at trying to increase that as the Fry
Street
Merchants Owners and Managers Association.
So there was also some stuff, if you read in the packets
and on the thing, about a state law that mandates what the
speed
limits can be.
Now, it mandates what the speed limits can be on state
roads
and on roads that are adjacent to state roads.
It states in there, in some of the 41 pages of it,
that cities can set their own speed limits.
And they can set ordinances to decide what those things are
.
So I'm asking you.
I wanted you to be perfectly clear about what we were
asking
for and what's being presented to you.
Please do not confuse this issue with anything related
to the parking or bike lane that is inappropriate.
Those decisions have not been made.
And I think that that's wrong to mix these issues.
Do you have your petition to enter into record?
Well, we had someone come to a meeting
and say that it was against the law to reduce the speed
limits to 30 miles an hour.
No, I mean your petition from the other members of the Fry
Street Merchants Association?
No, I did not bring that with me because one of the people
backed out completely when they were told there weren't
any speed limits at all.
I'm just asking because we're looking for--
I know.
I told you I would bring it.
I wrote it up.
A lot of people signed it, but I did not bring it with me
tonight.
And I apologize for that, but I saw no reason
once I read everything that was here tonight.
OK.
All right.
Anything?
Yes.
When you say the bike lane issues and this issue
are unrelated, is that because we don't know what's
going to happen with the bike lane?
I think it's because it's two very separate issues.
The speed limit in the bike lane and the parking
are all separate issues.
I think there's-- I mean, that's something
I'd be happy to discuss.
I think there's a lot of--
how does this go?
I think there's a lot of evidence
that bike lanes can slow down cars.
And we may sometimes do it more effectively
than speed limits can.
So it just might be something to look at again.
I think there's a lot of other ways to slow down cars.
In addition, and just looking at all the options
might be something worth taking a look at.
There are multiple calming techniques
that can be utilized to narrow the lanes,
to slow the cars down, and things like that.
And they're called calming buffers
or those sorts of things.
The bike lane is very contentious in the fact
that it removes over--
removes a whole lot of parking from the retail area.
So that's why I would really like
to have the safety issues in the area and that considered
separately.
I do bike to your coffee shop almost three times a week.
I appreciate it.
I appreciate the investment in the community.
It's a really interesting discussion to figure out.
Does anyone else have questions?
All right.
Thank you.
Discussion?
I had a question for whoever about enforcement.
Would this be UNT police enforcement or would it be--
It would be the city.
--the city enforcement?
Do they have any opinions about having
to enforce a lower speed limit on one block?
Is that really going to affect them?
Enforcement?
I don't see enforcement related to this particular segment
as far as speed is concerned.
It's below speed limit.
OK.
I have a comment.
I am all for public safety and I wouldn't want to do
anything,
make a decision to compromise that.
But just in my personal experience
driving down Hickory, there's so many stoplights
that I hardly catch all the greens when I'm on my way down.
So honestly, a time that I've ever
been able to get my car above 30 miles an hour,
I can't really think of one.
Because that or there's folks going through the crosswalk
or people parking.
And those to me are--
this is not a study, but to me are variables
that would cause me to slow down.
So I have a hard time justifying going through all the
trouble
to reduce the speed limit for one block,
knowing the kind of environmental factors that are
in play currently.
This is kind of off the wall.
I have a lot of ridiculous ideas.
Bear with me.
Have we ever thought of that where we do actually
have crosswalks about doing something?
A lot of cities are adding these really bright, vibrant
crosswalks.
And what they tend to do is they tend
to focus a lot of attention where people slow down
to pay attention to their environment.
Because they're like, what is this?
What am I driving into?
And that can do a lot.
So there's been some really cool ones.
And with UNT being there, it'd be interesting to see if we
repainted it, which I'm just looking at Google Earth now.
I don't know if it's as faded as here, worse or better
than it was here.
It's a pretty faded, easy to ignore crosswalk now.
So maybe just as in the big picture of solutions,
maybe that's another idea that could be quick and cheap.
I think with the street project coming in,
they will definitely have brand new crosswalks
and brand new ramps at these intersections,
some of the intersections.
So definitely brighten it up once it's said and done.
OK, well our two choices are to either recommend
that we not change the speed limit,
no changes to posted speed limit along that portion of Hick
ory,
or to provide staff with additional direction.
What is the will of the committee?
Jim?
I'll make a motion that we accept this staff
recommendation.
OK.
Second.
Hold second though.
OK.
All in favor?
Accepting staff recommendation of no changes.
Aye.
OK, thank you.
OK, moving on to item C, TSC 17-017.
This is to receive a report, hold a discussion,
and provide direction regarding resident concerns
along Hobson Street.
All right.
This relates to Hobson Street right off of Teasley
and the South Lake Park.
Let me just zoom into that area and then I'll
start talking a little bit about what it means,
what the project is.
So I think back in May, June time frame,
we received a couple letters from the residents that
actually live in the Forest Ridge neighborhood.
Where am I?
OK, right there.
So Forest Ridge neighborhood is this area down here.
And the complaint from the residents primarily was--
or the concern was they needed some type of protection
for an existing crosswalk here and also look
at this intersection with Forest Ridge
as to find a way to actually get across Hobson,
either by putting in a brand new traffic signal,
some type of protected area for people to cross.
And the concern that came up was due to a lot of kids
that were actually crossing the whole entire park area
and going to McMatt Middle School.
So what we did is we staff collected data.
We waited for the summer to get over.
There was no point collecting data.
The school was out.
So that's one of the reasons we waited for all the way from
May.
And then we collected data in the month of October.
And just a little bit of background on Hobson Lane.
Hobson Lane is an arterial street,
and it has quite a bit of traffic.
It has close to 8,000 daily vehicles
that go back and forth.
It provides a primary connection between these two major
arterials,
which are TechStop facilities, FM 2181 is Teasley.
And then the Country Club Road, which is FM 1830.
And primarily during the peak hours, there are about 700
cars
that go through in front of Forest Ridge and Santa Monica.
So when we collected the traffic data, we did find
that there was very little traffic on these cross streets.
Santa Monica is this Forest Ridge.
So it did not really warrant a traffic signal at these
locations.
So based on the state and federal guidelines, it's not
recommended
that we install any traffic signals here.
And that's not the recommendation.
So what I started looking into once we crossed that path is
how can we make
this particular intersection better.
Landed me in the--
and currently when you look at the crosswalk, you can
actually see
that there's-- I'm trying to make it.
>> It doesn't want to be there.
>> It doesn't-- there we are.
Okay. So currently there is a crosswalk.
This is the crosswalk we're talking about that does not
have the ADA ramps
and that's something that we will have to look into
if we get to changing any elements of the crosswalk.
But what currently I'm suggesting is changing the signage
that are
on either side of the crosswalk to make it a flashing sign
in the back of your packet.
If you can look at the-- I provide an example.
Those flashing signs when mounted, they will have--
they will also have a taller pole and they will have video
detection
to detect pedestrians in the pedestrian zone area.
Once that is detected, it will start flashing.
We don't want something that flashes 24/7, then that loses
its whole importance.
And specifically this will help kids crossing in the
morning time
and given the winter months up ahead, one of the things is
that kids start going
to the school early in the morning and it's pretty fairly
dark.
So we want to make sure that if we-- or the recommendation
is when we replace this
to a flashing, it would provide a better signal to the
motorists
and it would add another layer of safety as far as not
ifying the vehicles, you know,
there's someone in the crosswalk that is going to walk
through.
There are some additional signage up and down that allude
to the vehicles
that you know you're approaching a pedestrian crossing area
such as that.
Please slow down to 20 miles an hour.
When we did the-- where did we do?
I think we did collect some of the-- we did collect speed
surveys along the street
and I think we're closer to a-- closer to 30 miles an hour
of the speed along this segment.
So even when vehicles are driving in this segment right in
front of the crosswalk,
they're still continuing driving 30 but having that flash
at the right time similar
to the one across the street at-- on McKinney, it would
provide better notification
or alert the drivers about pedestrians.
So what staff has recommended at this point just based on
the concerns from the resident is
to go ahead and at least start looking into funding options
to get this thing installed.
We don't have the funding identified but it shouldn't be an
issue.
We can identify some funds because it's a--
it is a better solution for improving the safety of this
intersection.
Questions?
Is this one like the one that's right out here on McKinney?
>> The one on McKinney has rapid flashing beacons that are
slightly different
but they have both elements.
They have the other ones that are advanced signage that bl
inks,
the whole sign blinks on the side.
So this one will be the LEDs on the side of the sign.
So if you look at this, whoops.
So the sign will have LEDs along the edges and they will
only blink
when they detect a pedestrian at the intersection.
>> Thank you.
>> For the McKinney one, I think you have to hit the push
button and then you can go.
This one, all you have to do is walk into that zone.
>> Is that-- does that demand a lot of upkeep?
>> These are solar powered and battery.
So maintenance at least as far as I know is pretty low.
The newer models are getting better and better.
So once in a while, every few years, we might have to
change the battery
but other than that, there's barely any maintenance.
And LED lights, they require a really low voltage and those
lights go on for years,
15, 16 years is standard life for LED bulbs.
>> I was just wondering about the motion detecting.
>> The cameras, barely.
I mean, it doesn't use that much energy either.
>> So the crosswalk has got a little bit of a diagonal.
I've never noticed that.
>> Yes.
>> So pedestrians are on the street a little bit longer
here.
They don't get to go as the crow flies.
>> And if you look at it, it is a part of a bigger project.
This is--
>> Right.
>> This is a drainage channel that goes downhill into the
ditch and then it goes--
it flows under the street to the other side.
So this is-- it's a bigger project.
This crosswalk most likely was put in as a temporary fix to
, you know, at least get people across.
But this is not ADA compliant and this is something
on our radar will most likely work on getting some funding
and fixing this corner.
But it is a large project because there is a good amount of
drainage work that needs to be done.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
Any other questions, comments?
Commissions feeling about the flashing walk sign?
>> Seems like a good idea.
>> Yeah.
>> Mm-hmm.
Agreed.
>> We don't have anybody speaking.
I guess not.
>> Okay, carry on.
I just lost my agenda.
Hang on.
I have no idea what we're doing.
That's not true.
Okay, that brings us to item D, TSC 17-018 staff reports
including--
>> Fah, fah, fah.
>> The matrix.
>> Do we need to vote on that?
>> No.
>> We don't need to vote, do we?
>> You can.
I think there's a number one that says recommend
installation and number two is provide direction.
>> Okey-dokey.
>> Also, I'll move to accept staff recommendation.
>> Okay.
Floating?
Everybody okay?
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Yes.
>> All right.
Let's do it.
>> Matrix.
>> All right.
We can move on to the next item which is matrix.
I don't have any staff report unless--
Okay. Probably bring in more information next time around.
The first item is just a placeholder.
I think they're still working on comprehensive downtown
plan.
There is nothing-- they want to look at ballet loading
zones, sidewalk cafe,
and all kinds of stuff they're going to combine but that is
still in the works.
Nothing has been decided.
>> Can I add something kind of to that?
>> To that?
>> Yes, because there's been discussion of the handicap
parking spots on Elm Street.
So there are apparently handicap parking places that are
close to the corner of Elm Street
and Hickory, however, if you park in those, obviously you
've got a wall in front of you.
So the access to-- from handicap parking place to an actual
ramp is, you know, large.
So you can't park, get out, and find yourself at a ramp
immediately.
>> Oh.
>> There's a couple of places I believe on that particular
side of the square,
on the southwest side of the square.
>> Southwest.
>> So the building that is-- maybe it's even called the H
ickory Building.
Yeah, maps.
[ Inaudible Remark ]
>> Yeah, that side of it.
>> Right here?
>> The other side.
Keep going right there.
So there's a handicap parking spot right there but when you
park,
you run up against the wall.
[ Inaudible Remark ]
>> The tallest curb in this?
Yeah. Exactly.
[ Inaudible Remark ]
>> So this is the intersection?
>> Yes, and that-- from what I understand, that block, both
the Hickory side
and the Elm Street side of that particular little quadrant.
>> So this side you're talking about is the problem or this
side?
>> The west side.
>> The west side?
>> West side is the problem, right.
>> So accessing this building?
>> Oh, that thing.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. We-- I'm currently working with-- to answer your
question,
working with development services and if you look
at this particular striped area, that one.
>> Okay.
>> We are working on making that a handicap space.
>> Okay. Okay.
That's going to help.
Okay.
>> So that might help access this building because we are
aware of this issue.
>> Okay. Okay.
Perfect.
>> You'll need to put in a ramp then, right?
>> The ramp would either go this way or that way.
But there are some challenges with drainage so we're
working on that.
>> Okay. Okay.
Good. Thank you.
>> Okay. The next three items we already discussed that
were on today's agenda.
Item number-- moving on to item number 6.
Let's get five.
Parking on Marianas Street between Oak and Scripture.
Now, I know some of you are aware of the way it's called
today.
It's small area plan.
They're going to change the name.
But this particular plan encompasses a UNT campus and a few
blocks on either side all the way
from Panhandle to the north to 35 and then Bonnie Bray to
almost Carroll.
And that entire area is going to be looked at specifically
focusing large portion of it on parking.
So we will be looking at parking and how to address this
whole ongoing UNT replacing all their parking lots
into buildings, how to address that.
We are also working with UNT to find out how they're going
to implement their master plan
and where their large parking lot is going to be.
But as part of that, we will be looking at on-street
parking within that whole area
and this street is covered under that.
The next one is also the same issue.
It's south of Eagle on Panhandle Street.
We have received complaint and in the immediate near term
kind of deal, we will start enforcing it.
We started a pilot program to improve visibility,
especially at intersections.
And we have in the ordinance that cars shouldn't be parked
within 30 feet of a stop sign.
And that's not being followed.
So we started a pilot program of installing little plaques
under the stop sign saying, hey,
this is the law or the ordinance, do not park here.
And we go out there and cars are parked right under that
sign, right under the plaque.
So we have decided to move to the next step, which is
enforcement.
And we'll start doing that and hopefully we can start
getting better.
I understand that visibility issues are big, especially
where the cars are parked in the corner.
So but long term, the small area plan will identify and
define that we might be able
to better mark the spaces that way people are not too close
to the intersections and driveways.
And then the last one was Old North and University.
Yes, the two approaches on Old North, North South
approaches are aligned slightly.
They're skewed and there is some concern there.
There is a signal there.
So it's not a big safety hazard because the cars are not
speeding or not entering their section
at a high speed currently, but in the long term we've
identified it as a project.
And we're working with finance to get some of these smaller
projects funded
so that we can add a separate left turn lane that might be
protected versus a through lane and all that.
So get that intersection fixed better.
All right.
I think we're.
All right.
Anyone have anything to add to the matrix?
I potentially have one and this is some teachers in Denton
ISD asked me
about this one was basically where Old Alton Road is
leading up to Geyer High School
and just that students were walking along that road and I
haven't been over there recently myself.
But what it looks like on Google Maps is that the sidewalk
goes for a little bit and then ends
and then there's the bridge and some students are just like
crossing that and basically cars are coming
around a corner and students are walking the opposite
direction of that without any sidewalks
or anywhere to go because the bridge has no pedestrian
access.
I've received concerns that was a dangerous situation we
don't want to look at.
So you're specifically talking about the bridge that's just
south of Teasley or FM 2181 on Old Alton.
It's basically the block off Teasley on Old Alton Road.
Okay. Sidewalks through that bridge area.
I will look into this and get back to you next meeting.
I don't know if we have-- I don't know how far the city
limits go and TGA and stuff like that.
So I'll definitely--
>> Yep.
>> Good night.
>> It's an impressive map memory.
I don't know exactly where that was.
I was like looking at the map and I'm like yes, exactly.
So south of Teasley.
Impressive.
>> Good map memory.
I like that.
[ Laughter ]
>> Anything else?
Anybody else?
Any matrix items?
Okay. So I have a question.
At one point, I wanted to add to the matrix.
It's been probably a couple of years but I was wondering
about the status of some type
of safe passage sidewalk along Mingo.
Because when you get to that part that just starts peeling
off Bell Avenue,
there are apartment complexes along there.
It goes out to Shiloh Fields.
It goes to another community garden.
So-- and there's no contiguous sidewalk in that area.
But the potential for a lot of bike or pedestrian traffic.
>> It is very harrowing.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Drive through there.
Every time I drive through, that's my way home.
I pass two or three bicycles, pedestrians, and they're
either out in the tall grass walking
or they're right on the edge of the lane.
>> So Mingo between Bell?
>> Between Bell and--
>> And Old Nor?
>> Old Nor.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. And it's-- topographically, it's difficult because
there is a ditch.
But I think we should think about something we can do with
that.
There's a lot of people that get around.
Like I've been over there for years, so I see a lot of the
same people all the time.
And they obviously live in those apartments and they're
walking to work every day.
Or there's kids walking home from school.
It's a major artery for homeless people too.
That's getting back and forth from the church.
>> Great.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> I'll get some more information on this.
>> Okay.
>> And then there was an accident on Fort Worth Drive this
week,
the right in front of the La Quinta.
And so-- and, you know, I don't drive a lot.
But there has been some concern about some of the parking--
or some of the driveways allow you to make left turns on to
Fort Worth Drive,
which is really a harrowing situation during some times of
the day.
So there's been most time of the day.
So there is a question about looking at the stretch of Fort
Worth Drive then between 35
and-- is it Collins up there where the stoplight is?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. And so particularly, Lindsey comes out of there,
comes out of the west side of that area.
It will be part of the small area plan or it might be part
of the small area plan.
Because we're going-- the small area plan is going to go to
the highway.
Is that accurate?
The university small area plan?
>> Yes.
>> And is it bounded not only by Carroll but by Fort Worth
Drive?
>> Yes.
>> To the south?
Okay. So as part of the small area plan, I realize that
that might be something
that we consider but I'd like to kind of put that on the
city's radar that there--
there's a lot of difficulty now making left turns but
people still want to do it.
>> Yeah. I'll check on this one.
This might be some-- some-- might require some coordination
with TechStop because it's a TechStop facility.
>> Right. Right.
And I know there are places that will preclude a left turn
but there are places where you still can and people are not
good at timing them.
So there was-- I think a Friday there was an accident at
the--
right in front of the La Quinta.
>> I've stopped trying to turn left there.
I just go up Bernard and go around.
It's--
>> Yeah.
>> You're either sitting there or risking your life.
You can make that left turn so.
>> Yeah. I always make right turns if possible.
Okay. Anything-- anybody have anything else for the matrix?
>> I think this is already been brought up but I just
wanted to revisit real quick.
Is there-- do you know where we're at with dumpsters on the
sidewalks on Hickory?
I mean is that ever an issue we can-- like as a runner, it
's one of my favorite areas
to run through is to run over to campus and we just--
I don't understand why we allow huge dumpsters to cover the
sidewalks.
Never get it.
>> That's been a problem for 30 years.
[ Laughter ]
>> Dumpsters on sidewalks.
>> Not all.
>> I don't think we have progress on any of that stuff.
I think solid waste is working.
>> I don't know how waste had worked on it at one point a
couple years ago.
There were still spots, you know, where there really was no
good solution.
>> Is it-- I mean is there anything on my end that's just a
citizen I can do?
Would it be helpful to point out where we still have
problems or issues or are they very aware?
>> I mean I think solid waste is aware of it already.
But feel free to email me and I can forward on to them.
>> OK. On just a related note, if anyone's in, going to be
near the UNT campus tomorrow,
my social studies education majors, we're going to be doing
some analysis of the streets
and scapes and all that kind of stuff for some urban
geography lessons.
If you want to come out and-- anyone wants to come out and
say hi to us, you can email me
and we're going to be out there for about an hour walking
up and down the streets taking pictures
and doing stuff, so.
>> Street walkers.
>> Yeah.
>> OK. Anybody have anything else for the matrix?
Getting off light tonight.
OK. In that case, we can adjourn at 616.
Thank you.