Sep 19, 2017 Mobility Committee on 2017-09-19 9:30 AM

Mobility Committee meeting to order. We do have a quorum present. We're meeting here at the City Hall conference room Council conference room on McKinney Street. Our first order of business is to consider approval of the Mobility Committee Council meeting minutes from June 13th. I Will move approval. There's a motion to approve second. All those in favor say aye. Aye opposed That passes as presented. Item B is receive a report hold a discussion regarding the federal safe Safe routes to schools program and the City of Denton Safe routes to schools program plan Who's going to be doing this? Mr. Chair, I'd like to have Julie Anderson our bike and pedestrian coordinator facilitate this discussion. Thank you Okay, good morning council members We're just going to give you a quick overview of what a safe routes to school program is Apologize the slides are a lot of words, but it's really no pictures to go along with it. So First of all, I just want you to know that what a safe routes to school program is is dedicated federal funding for projects that increase biking or walking ability to schools These are funded through the various transportation bills through Congress. So the very first one was in 2005 That was what was called the safety loo transportation plan safe accountable flexible efficient transportation equity act and legacy for users That authorized six hundred and twelve million over five years It was then reauthorized for two additional years at 183 million a year This created the safe routes to school program and it was a standalone program for funding So it was not competing against other projects for active transportation for funding When that bill ran out a new one was authorized in 2012 called map 21 That was moving ahead for progress in the 21st century. That was approximately 8 million each year for two years It didn't make some changes It combined safe roads to school with other biking and trail projects to create a transportation alternatives program Which we refer to as tap so it was competing against biking and biking and recreational trails projects at that time When that bill ran out Congress authorized our current transportation funding bill, which is the fast act fixing America's surface transportation So against our current bill is adopted in 2015 It has 835 million for 2016 and 2017 then 850 million for 2018 through 2020 Some various sort of small changes safe rest of school was essentially stayed the same way it was But it did was renamed the transportation alternatives set aside It was still competing against other active transportation projects and recreational trails projects But they let it up to the states to decide if they wanted to have one call for projects So all three would be competing for funds or they could separate out if they wanted to So regarding that you said for states to decide so that 835 million then the 850 million that's allocated to states on some type of a formula basis Yeah, it's a formula basis based on population Okay, and then it's administered in states or in Texas by what agency or agencies? Um, so it's overseen federally by the Federal Highway Administration Hear us locally. It's by our local MPO Which is the North Central Central Texas Council of Govern ments an MPO is Metropolitan Planning Organization, that's where dedicate that's where federal funds get Siphoned through to different municipalities. Okay. Yes, ma 'am How many cities are competing for them I don't know the exact number of cities, but I know for our area cog has I think 23 counties So we're competing against everybody in the North Central Texas region. I think that's 16 counties 16. Thank you 16 counties. Thank you They separate out between like rural and urban so like people in Dallas are competing against little tiny rural communities So cog Did have a call for projects in late 2016 for the transportation alternative set-aside funding 23 million was allocated for our region and these funds cover the fiscal year 16 to 19 And cog decided they did want to separate separate out their call for projects so that safe routes to school would not be competing against other active transportation projects We submitted applications one for active transportation to safe routes to school projects and we were awarded We will have reimbursement funding for those projects that we were selected for Can you can you talk about how many other cities are? Projects were nominated Yes, I wish I had brought that list But Denton we submitted our two safe routes to school and we ranked one and two are both our projects for those that got funded Fort Worth had a several that they were funded for as well might have been 20 projects maybe I'm sorry. I cannot remember I did not print that out But we ranked one and two for our two projects we submitted Thanks Great if people are interested in that list, it's in the backup materials If they do Google search and agendas safe routes to school, it'll come up when you did the presentation to the full council That's right. It was included as a backup item at a previous meeting So our safe routes to school plan we do have one here in Denton it was was worked on back in 2010 with city staff and Denton ISD staff so the plan does highlight every school in Denton ISD and it has potential projects Here's just a snippet of what one of them looks like. This is Alice Street connecting students to Calhoun middle school right here Just one thing to note this plan was never adopted and funding was never allocated for safe routes to school projects So to my knowledge the city has never Gone after federal safe routes to school funding cities can also Fund their own safe routes to school through you know, whatever local programs they have So did I hear you say that that we developed a citywide plan for safe routes to schools and it was never adopted That is correct Let's make a note Well, I couldn't figure out why I asked some people I asked around Bill night at Denton ISD who worked on it. He wasn't quite sure the staff who worked on it The city engineer traffic engineer are no longer at the city. And so I didn't have anybody to really reference It may be appropriate for oh, did you want to say something ? Yeah a quick note as far as I know I think the issue was that Denton ISD board did not approve it. It hung around with their board for a while. I don't know why and The draft was never converted into a final document and since that didn't happen we didn't bring it to to council and get it Through the process, but I don't know what happened there Is there any notion as to why did we get any feedback as to why they didn't adopt it? where they happy with some parts that we don't know but we can push that item and Make sure that this goes through. Yes, I do know we have a joint meeting with the district every year And so this may be something we can put on our agenda to discuss with them And I can say that when we were working on our applications for the TA set aside DSD was involved in our discussions. They provided a letter of support and Bill Nye at DSD did work with us. So They were very helpful in getting these the funding for these two safe routes to school projects. We're straying off topic I think that we need to maybe on the future agenda put safe routes to school plan on mobility committee meeting agenda here if there are any proposed revisions or updates to it and And then possibly have this committee make a recommendation to council for approval and Yes at this point. I think we need to revisit it's been a few years It's been seven years since I was created there are a lot of sidewalks and and connections that were pretty in since as part of our city projects and That's why all of these Connections need to be re looked at and revised so there needs to be some direction and do you serve On the committee that that discusses the agenda for the council School board meeting. Yes. Okay, so you might Yeah, and I was gonna mention also the posting says receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the federal safe routes to school Program and the city of Denton SRTS plan. So I think we could provide direction on the plan itself Well, yeah, given that I think he's right 2010 plan seven years old it probably needs revision before it's It's passed By the whole group, but but we certainly need to get some updates on it And and see what we ought to be doing And I guess Bill Knight is the contact person with he has been so far He's been the good contact anything else on that before we let her go on No, I would just I would just like for it to be updated as well. Yeah. Okay, right. This is the end of my presentation This is all we have of our safe routes to school plan Said it was never adopted and it was never allocated funding So currently when people request sidewalks that are included in our safe routes to school plan We added to our existing list from our 2014 bond election sidewalk list and we're working on Reprioritizing that list to include hopefully more safe routes to school projects based on a ranking system Yes, ma'am So when the original 2010 plan was created was there any idea of funding? requirements for certain parts of the plan I Do not think so. Okay, there are actually there are no numbers whatsoever in here Yeah, the funding was not identified and so Can you talk just a little bit about? how we were able to leverage funding without having a dedicated sidewalk fund because As you explain it to me in order to receive these federal 80% matching grants We actually have to have earmarked funds for Sidewalks well not you just have to have the funds for the project that you've identified So we submitted to TA set aside projects and we have to have that money To pay for those projects doesn't have to be specifically sidewalk, but you have to have it for this project So we were able to leverage 20% for these projects because of our 2014 bond election fund There was two there's two million in the 2014 bond for mis cellaneous sidewalks. And so we had already Identified a project that we included in our application that we had set aside funding for out of that two million So we're using that as our leverage So just to kind of go back a little bit had we not had the bond money allocated already We would have had to go through the regular budget process which You know, we know what the cycle is of that. This application was due in December Sorry, so that would have had to go through a different type of process Which is why I'm just gonna put this out there I think having a dedicated fund for sidewalk projects is really the right way to go for something like this And mr. Nelson, do we have it seems to me that we've had in past in the budget a certain amount of money for sidewalks in terms of just repairs and Maybe additions as part of the street department's normal O&M Budget they they program some maintenance funding in there as they go back through and do a reconstruction of the street, so it's kind of geared towards sidewalks gutters and curves whenever they do a reconstruction project or how they get some one-off complaints on maintenance of sidewalk s, but back to councilmember Baguerre's comments having a dedicated fund similar or funding source similar to your bike fund What we greatly enhance our opportunities to be able to leverage when these opportunities come up? And if there were citizens who felt like that that in their neighborhood they had Sidewalks that were needed in order to get Children and their parents safely from their neighborhood to a major street to their school. How would they? Get get that on the radar screen in order to be considered as we've revised this 2010 Yeah, so they can email me as the bike pen coordinator. I will take those requests. We have a ranking system We're working on that. We hope to be able to bring back to this group Pre-chams worked on it, and I've been looking at over where we can rank all of our upcoming sidewalk projects And then reassess that list Every quarter possibly to see if we need to perhaps do a different project first so that it would include projects that were safe Routes to school they would probably bring higher Are we going to need Some type of dedicated funding to update this 2010 safe routes to schools plan or can we use? some of the $50,000 that's been designated for updating the the bike and pedestrian plan to to update this I Think we probably could use some of that 50,000 from the bike plan update. I don't believe it'll be a difficult update staff time really assessing sidewalks that have been built since then Please get back to us in our next meeting on that if that would be sufficient or if we need to maybe direct Request to council to add some additional funding to update this okay And with the request for a dedicated sidewalk fund come from this committee It could come from this committee or it could come from you know individual guy I suspected this committee would be glad to to endorse that right yeah Yes, well the the projects that were approved recently, I guess a few months back the two Will you come back with us on updates? Yes, right now. We're just working waiting for It has to go through the tip and the step and the transportation improvement plan for the state and that should be in November And then we'll sign contracts with textile after that so we 're looking at maybe February or March, okay? Thank you, and would you since this is the first mobility committee meeting that's being? Livestreamed and going to be recorded and available to citizens to review Would you remind us the two plans that did get approved and where they are what the plan is yeah? So we submitted for a ginnings elementary and Lee elementary so ginnings include sidewalks on Stewart Road both sides of the street That leads right up to ginnings from Windsor and for Lee elementary. It's including sidewalks on believe paisley and Mulkey to get students from the neighborhood west of What's that road that? Audra thank you Audra to get students across Audra on Pais ley to Lee elementary Okay All right anything else in on safe routes to schools Well then thank you very much Item C is receive a report hold the discussion and provide direction regarding the Texas Department of Transportation 35 Express project in the establishment of noise walls as a part of the project Mr.. Nelson Thank You councilmember This is a this is a item of particular interest I know as the project is winding down 35 Express project through our community is winding down There's been some requests for noise walls, and how How those are justified? What's the process I've included in the backup? as well as in a previous memo to council informal staff report on how on how those are established essentially it goes through a Fixed Environmental process that the state has to follow And deciding and determining one if a sound wall should be placed and then is it financially feasible to place said? Sound wall if it's justified in our community There's a series of about five sound walls and and when I talk about a series of them in some cases They're overlapping Sound walls from one particular location to another along the corridor So that it is in between the frontage road and the main lanes, and then as the exit comes through It'll have to overlap so there is only one sound wall which is in the report that you have noise wall five which is near the Mergers and Performing Arts Center there along the north bound lanes of 35 near University of North, Texas Just north of North Texas Boulevard the other the remaining sound walls the other four sound walls are south of that point and Essentially because the project was financially constrained the right-of-way or the required Additional land for the phase two project Was so expensive text dot chose not to acquire the right-of -way through the corridor Although all the right-of-way that is and some locations again near North Texas Boulevard They did have to purchase the entire right-of-way in other parts of the corridor through Denton that right-of-way was not acquired and therefore Textod elected not to fund at this point in time The sound walls again due to the financial constraints associated with may recall the project was roughly about a four point four billion dollar project in 2012 2013 dollars They moved forward with the one point four they at one point four billion phase one project and they're Starting the process now as they get to the completion of phase one to look for funding to initiate phase two so with that I've got John pollster who worked with text odd as they Developed and designed this particular project through Dent on County who can speak to some Detail if you wish on the establishment of the noise walls the environmental process And and maybe the process forward if you have any questions , I can attempt to answer those over mr. Polster so If you would before we get into that we I have and I suppose our other council members here have received some emails from folks saying that previous city attorney city engineer had had promised sound walls along I 35 south East I don't know the roads curving right there of North Texas Boulevard basically to Mitigate the sound in the neighborhood Kindle from those streets south of I 35 in that area is that are those the sound walls that we're talking about that that were delayed because of funding issues in phase one, I think what you're referencing. Yes, sir is the noise walls generally for the Dina neighborhood and then on the other so that would be maybe the south south or west side of the interstate in that location from essentially Kindle North Texas Boulevard south Just south of McCormick Street And then on the other side roughly Just south of McCormick Street up to Collier Street on the other side, but those are those those two particular sound walls Have been in question in terms of any promises made by a prior City employee. I don't know that I've not seen any record of that and In addition to that, I don't know Where where the authority would be? In terms of funding that from a city from a city initiative because it is a text up project text up funded and so I Don't you know, I think it was made clear from the very beginning. We've got some Had some communication with text on project manager on this that That no those those sound walls were never in phase one Okay so we have we have Email traffic between certain folks in those neighborhoods and the text up project manager where before the project was constructed They were informed that the sound walls would not be in that area part of phase one and There were some back-and-forth Reference and litigation and whatnot and they have a right to do that during the environmental process You have 180 days once the project is environmentally clear to file suit if you don't agree with the recommendations of the Federal Highway Administration But one I want to point out is these sound walls were based on 2035 mobility numbers So that's what those noises noise walls were justified on traffic that's going to be there in the future So two things occurred that three one we didn't acquire the right away because we couldn't afford it to the state doesn't have to put in the sound walls until the Mobility year or when they construct the project whichever comes first in this case 2035 or when they build phase two the third thing is is the Walls were between the frontage roads and the main lanes We the state used to put the sound walls along the right-of-way line But the businesses started complaining that nobody knew they were there because they're on the frontage road side All right, and the walls right between them and their people driving down the road so the state moved the walls to the To between the main lanes and the frontage road because the sound walls are only mitigating the main lanes noise not the frontage roads so we the Determination was made that those walls were not warranted at this time because we're not moving the main lanes any closer to the residents and The project was like Mark said about 4.4 billion dollars at the time when we started the project We only had about one point one and a half billion dollars to do the whole project. We ended up getting a Tiffy loan for the rest Getting a what? Federal loan for innovative financing to cover the rest of the 1.4 billion Project because we only had about 1.1 The estimated cost of the right-of-way for the entire quarter at the time was 1.1 billion dollars So our choice was go out and buy the right-of-way and not do anything Or find a way to do an interim project with what we had And so what the state decided and the stakeholders, which is the cities along the corridor in the county That if you were impacted on phase one That when they went to acquire your property They wouldn't just require what they needed for phase one because they didn't want to come back seven years from now or eight years And by the rest of it if they touched you they went in bought all that they needed for the ultimate But then there was another group of folks that were complaining that they couldn't lease their buildings Or they couldn't keep their tenants because phase two was hanging over them So the state and the county created a phase two voluntary program where that if you were in phase two And you weren't needed for phase one or touched by phase one. You could still be acquired If you so chose and so a lot of folks took up that offer But it wasn't holistic so there's areas where we have the right-of-way for phase two But there's a large chunk of areas where we don't and so that's kind of where we got to where we're at No Well regarding right-of-way I heard read in the newspaper, I'm not sure how accurate it is that there was a Scheme going on to to acquire land that was going to be in the right-of-way before people really knew about it at a lower price and Somebody got got convicted and there was a million dollar fine. Does that fine? Would that fine just go into the? Justice system or does that go to text dot to help cover the cost? I'm unaware of where that money would go I was very curious, but well, we have an attorney Maybe she knows categorizes restitution according to what I read so it would be allocated between the victims Okay, I Don't know. I don't know who the victims are in this Seems like one of the victims was text. I write But it is considered restitution from what I read. Okay. Thank you Mr. Poulter do you have anything else on this topic? I think I said we have any any other staff members have any information to share Questions just for clarification. So on the on the area of the Denny a neighborhood. There is not right-of-way already or There is there are some right-of-way right where we did the traffic circle and all that stuff We had to impact them for phase one, whatever we needed for phase two We acquired but linearly along the the frontage roads north and south of there The right away wasn't acquired And so when you look at the maps you're talking about Like when it says noise wall to it's actually three different walls that go for You know hundreds and hundreds of feet And so the other problem you have if you try to build the frontage roads now is the frontage roads remember are going to be Between the main lanes and the frontage roads So if you build them where they need to be now because otherwise they'd be throwaway you would literally block off the frontage road From the main lanes so nobody would be able to get from their house to the highway So so what you're saying is the plan for the future is that when that road? Is closer to the neighborhood those walls will be built to protect them absolutely they are in the plan and they have been environmentally cleared By the Federal Highway Administration, and if anybody tried not to build those walls They'd have just as much trouble as if you tried to build them too early You have to build them when the project is either constructed or by 2035 whichever comes first And up until that point the traffic is not going to be closer to those homes The main lanes are where they were all we did was widen out from the center because you'll notice what we did is we we came in To and we took out the median and then we just a little bit moved to the To towards Dina, but it was inside the existing right away that takes that currently had Just wanted to make sure because it is very important for us to protect our neighborhoods in those homes more so than say, you know some Buildings that may be on the opposite side of the street. So we university has a better Lobbyist than the state does so they made sure they got their wall and it's in that wall was put there Because there wasn't any room anywhere else to put it besides Between the frontage road and the right-of-way line and since there wasn't any commercial property there. It didn't impact the adjacent property So that was that kind of lent itself to being closer to the edge of the right away just for the design issues that we were doing with Okay. Thank you When the road the interstate seemed to be going below the grade it would seem like a Sound wall would be sort of like part of the Retaining wall system But where the road goes above grade like where the highway goes over a bridge over McCormick Street Where does the wall go there right right along the side of the interstate Typically, it'll go up on the structure. Okay But remember the McCormick bridge is a throwaway bridge. So that's not the actual the permanent bridge, right? So that's why they didn't do them in that area if they're warranted I don't know if they're wanted typically what happens at a cross street though is the approach road penetrates the wall Right because if you have the wall go across the road, they sure get to the frontage road So once the wall is penetrated Then there's no mitigation because the wall the sound can get around it. And so they go to the next Benefited receptor and there's a lot in here. I know that looks like there's a lot of a Lot of words in here for something as simple as what we're talking about But there's a lot of procedural processes that you have to follow the feds require you to follow because of environmental justice They don't want somebody get more Environmental protection than others just because they have more money Right. So there's a there's a rigorous process that we have to go through To put these walls where they go And they does it all the time and part of the process is to make sure that they are effective in doing what they're intended Yes reasonable and that's it's in there reasonable and feasible reasonable means that it will lower the sound feasible means that it's No more expensive than $25,000 for benefited receptor So there may be 70 people out there, but the noise analysis only shows that 13 are benefited by wall So if it costs more than 13 times $25,000, even though it's warranted, right? From a noise abatement standpoint, it's not feasible from a constructability standpoint. They won't build it Well, I had a question but on that note So if it's not feasible, is there a point where a city can come in and help make up that difference if it's warranted? You can work with them. No, okay You can do something off text that right away, right on your own You the feds can't allow somebody to buy more Environmental protection and heat in this region than they can in others. It's it was back in the 50s and 60s when governments and Jurisdictions used highway projects to redevelop Low income areas by washing them so there's there's a there's a lot of laws that preclude us from Allowing some entity to get to pay their way into more protection Okay So you can do whatever you want off text that right away Which is in a lot of people use the sound walls and fire mountain as an example But all those walls that you see out there that are fancy neat cool and whatever those are off text that right away and paid for by the town of Flaramount So earlier you meant you said something about that the there is a Chance for someone to file a lawsuit or to do litigation after the environmental clearance For 180 days. Yes, ma'am. So on this project, how many days ago was the environmental? 2012 oh Okay All right. Thank you. It's actually 2011 and then they did a reval in 2012 All right. Thanks. Yes, ma'am. Well for phase two environmental clearance. I'm sorry phase What's the 2024 plan? So that the second part of I 35 that's phase two phase two That environmental clearance and I'm talking about is phase two. It's the ultimate So everything that's ever going to be built down 35 So for example if the state was to drop come in and say we just got six hundred million dollars extra money But we got to spend it in 12 months We got to find something that's already environmentally cleared the right of ways Generally already acquired or can be acquired. There's really out there chunks of 35 that weren't built in phase one are Eligible for those funding because the entire corridor 30 mile corridor is environmentally cleared So it's ready to go to that next step, which is acquisition if you need to and then construction So it's already cleared the the walls are in the braided ramp for red developments in the The additional managed lanes coming north from the lake all the way around to the wishbone up to 380 That's already in it's already been environmentally clear. We're just building pieces of it now as we go along So really the only way at this point to get a sound wall is to use To be off of state right-of-way to be using city right-of- way acquired city right-of-way and city funded And it'd be right on those people's Right on the property line and in a wall to work in that area to have to be I think some of these are 14 feet tall Okay Thank you But that's just if they wanted to do something right now, right? Correct later in the future later. They got them gotcha. Thank you when they're impacted, right? Anything else on this item All right, then we will go to item D which is receiver report hold a discussion provide direction regarding text Text the Department of Transportation on system projects in the area including the 35 Express project. Are we gonna have Slides like we normally do here I don't have that. Can you? It would be nice to be able to follow on the screen mr. Chiu what I will ask is for this particular item. I'll have mr. Polster facilitate that John polster is such a retiring and reserved person that just shy in general I That was interesting Miss Anderson what? lifesaver you are Maybe that's right. I don't know why it's all great out though. That's weird That's sort of my world Everything great out Yeah It's waiting to load Oh That's just text there we go Okay, so the first project you have there Is 2181 and we just had a meeting yesterday This project was let for those of you that haven't been tracking this was let In July 11th to a company called MCM contractors. We are still in the process of establishing a Pre-construction meeting with those that firm we think it 'll probably be sometime in September and as part of the kickoff meeting for the Pre-construction project the city will be included in that Meeting as well as probably the school district since they have some issues that we're dealing with and on that note pre Tim and I met with yesterday with School district and text that related to the signal issues at the high school at Geyer for both the old-alton at the south end plus the Crest view Creek view Creek view up to old old Alton other old Alton And we worked out the logistics essentially the school district is going to provide some design work to us for some interim Signals because their schools probably going to open under the new configuration before 2181 is completed So the state agreed to go ahead and do temporary signals and those locations and then the county will be working with tech stock to include the permanent signal locations for the new Geyer signal in on the north side and then pre-tem is submitted a signal warrant request to the state for a Signal at sundown as well and if we we get those warranted in the state of Prusum Then we'll include that into the project as well. Mr. Chair sundown is right there by the South Branch Library So I just keep moving until you tell me to stop And Committee members have a question. I'll be staring up there . So just speak out Okay, so you'll note that most of the utilities on this project are pretty much complete And so there's a little bit work left to do with grande and the city of Denton's work is done inside the cost of the project So MCM will be doing the city of Denton's water wastewater Improvement so we should have a fairly clean project once they start Our next project is called Fort Worth Drive This is the project from basically 35 down to 1830 We've been working on this for quite a bit of time. The project is fully funded and viral declared the right away is acquired All the utilities are either under under relocation or will be relocated and we are working with the right now The Union Pacific Railroad and I'll get down to that Note here and the yellow part right here is the critical path And we basically had to come to Jesus meeting with the UPRR back in August They agreed to a path forward They lent us a gentleman that they used to review our plans to actually review our plans before we submit our plans So that we don't get 161 comments back 30 days later So we feel like this September 15th submission that we're making or we made actually To UP is going to get us to a point where we'll have the exhibit a which is what we need from the Railroad in order to have permission to let the project right now You'll see that we have a the ready to let is November 2017 . That's when we think we'll have the exhibit a It can let any time we get it that exhibit a done because again all the right away and most of the utilities are done and so we're shooting for Letting it as quickly as possible once we get the exhibit a so Hold your fingers crossed on UP Working with us on that after nine years and this is like all of the projects that you're sharing our text up projects These are on system text that state These are just projects that the city and the county are partnering and participating with the state to get them across the finish line and they all impact folks that travel through and in Denton but but state law gives a lot of Authority to railroads no, sir. The railroads got their authority from the feds They were here before there was a state and so they We get our permission from them got it Yeah, you have to have a visa actually to cross over the railroad On staying any time yes on this particular project do we have Any control over where the construction would start by the contractor? particularly we're interested at the Hobson 1830 and 377 intersection Okay, that's a good point. I'll bring some of that some stuff up on that as well The answer is is Jay limits you see there's a text that construction project manager We are working with Lochner on that on a phased construction So basically what we need to do is that our next task force meeting? Bring that up and see what we can do to look at what they 're what does the state is going to propose a phased? Approach to the project the contract will come back and propose their own and That'll be part of the pre-construction meeting and again at that point when that pre-construction meeting comes in we'll make sure the city is At the table as a stakeholder But we did include some additional improvements in this project interim to the Hobson 1830 connection Because we noted that there was a bottleneck that was there that wasn't going to be addressed by the 377 job So that was brought up to our attention by your city staff that there is a problem there and so the state agreed to look at it they found a way to To make some improvements to add basically a left turn lane on 1830 for the Hobson folks So those the people travel in 1830 can continue on down 18 30 Without violating our environmental clearance. So where we added some additional work to try to solve that in the interim There's an ultimate project on 1830 that's coming. It'll fix it in its more permanent Configuration at that time And again, this project is fully funded and it'll be let as soon as As soon as we get our exhibit a from the UP, so this is a utility status again We think we're very close to having everything done within the next two months the city of Dittons utilities on this project are included as well And so they will be part of whatever the contractor is selected will be responsible for working with the city to install their utilities This is 2499 second It's a charter communications and it says dependent upon DM E So what happens is is charter co locates on DME poles? So once DME is done and about 25 days later charters done because they come in and hang their stuff on DME's poles So once DME gets done, they pop on okay, that says September 2017 So you said we're pretty on track with those being we meet with these guys On this particular project we meet every two two and a half weeks And so we're staying on top of the the utilities We have the utility coordinator from the Dallas district the utility coordinator from the dictionary office and the DME folks are usually in the meeting Okay when we're we're meeting so we're we're actively Tracking this project and is it mainly DME there there's no No, they're doing so the water lines have already been done . No the water The there was some part of the water line thing at 377. It was this one or this is not a surface probe Can't touch the screen Yeah, right there it says didn't waste What do you see the Denton it's two lines below didn't mean this full electric City didn't what all right. So all this stuff has been It says are completed and will be included in construction plans plans were submitted to text out So in other words who ever bids on the 377 job, they're also bidding on the city of Denton's water wastewater and I Can't remember one of these we did a fixed cost and the other one we did a fixed cost after The contractor comes in and says this is what it costs So we tried to give the city as much protection as we could from a contractor trying to jerk you around Anything else that I don't answer that I did it. Thank you. I Don't feel like I did and just for the benefit of people who are who are maybe watching this live streaming. Mr Polster is a consultant for the city of Denton and he represents us in work with text dot and with the North Central Texas Council of Governments and so when he's talking and what and the county he's also Has a separate contract with the county. So most of the folks here basically inherited me from previous cycles Okay, 2499 section a redheaded stepchild, right? Always gives the last 30 days 2499 section 5 is a section that goes from 2181 to Mayhill State School Road if you look at it, it's driving me crazy I can cross Robinson that road is there ready to go They're just doing a bunch of punch-out items and the things that's controlling the project right now That moved it to a December is that at that little section up in the north where it's blue That's the tie-in to 35 where we have a GL doing their work on 35 OHL doing the u-turn for the Brinker Mayhill 288 and Weber trying to tie in and locate the signals of that location So we're having some conflicts Between the three contractors in that one area and that's slowing up The completion of the project. So if you look at the construction report We're essentially doing finish up paving We were supposed to be done in September and all the hards cape will be done in September. It's the It's the work with the signal and the tie-in to the front age road and They can't tie in the signals because the signal pole where it is now on the inside On the inside the frontage road. That's where the u-turn is going to be so OHL has got to do their work on them on the u-turn before whoever can tie into that signal system and they're not going to go to the To the you can correct me if I'm wrong They're not going to go to that until they get the water line up here for Brinker Done, and I think they're behind schedule on that and I think pre-ten wanted to say something I wanted to say something about the Robinson signal Yeah, 2499 and It's a it's a blessing probably just for the delay because now we can actually Put in a signal at Robinson. So here's where he's talking about that was not included in this as part of this project And it would have been if we open up 2499 without that signal it would be Especially will especially with all the schools being on this side And that's budgeted and the So what we did was is that's the timing issue as long as we can get it done for where was completed What the state has agreed to do is if the city will just provide them with the design The state will just change order into the Weber contract and where we'll just do it so it won't cost this city anything to add to The signal to the Robinson because it probably should have been picked up anyway. Where are we at the design? So What we are done is we're working with text out and providing them step by step phase design if you may Not not to wait the whole stretch of four or five weeks that are needed to complete the entire design But to give them we've already submitted 60% right? Located all the pole locations, which is like the main thing is getting the poles located poles located and then order the poles We could it's a lead item that takes weeks So once we have that then we can work around smaller stuff. So what he's saying is we're doing this these steps concurrently Where we're not waiting to get all of those stuff done as we get a piece done. We turn it in they take care We get a piece done. We turn it and they take care of it Sounds very unengineering So on the the signal so text dot is paying for that and the city is just providing the design Okay, and the design was budgeted for seven sixteen seven. Okay, and in the process so The signal at Robinson will be up and the road will be open in December at the same time everything so Tina masses your new area engineer and she is Moving these things in a nonlinear way Because she doesn't want to open 2499 without that Robinson signal active and she's not going to hold the road Right just because the signals aren't open. So we're moving heaven and earth to make sure those two schedules G and on pre-tems, right OHL and a gel have helped us out on that by jerking us around up there the signal on mail At the at the light one other thing I want to point out Just you're gonna probably get calls from folks. I believe y'all have part of Robinson east of 2499 for a distance I think Little ways it goes what you're gonna have is it goes four lanes back down to two lanes And then opens back up to four lanes where it crosses 2499 and then drops back down to its Meandering configuration as it goes west and the reason that was Text that can only go so many feet past an intersection by law and it didn't reach that 200 300 400 feet additional so it goes four to four to in that area, so I'm certain somebody's gonna get called stupid over that but As long as it's not me I'm okay with it They always call us to be Yeah, so can I follow up on that or not the stupid thing or not that part? No, so in a situation like that would it be where the city comes in after to you? They could fix that or in the right away is there you can tell that y'all done y'all required setbacks and y'all required Certain requirements that once something develops they have build the rest of that road you can tell that's what's going on If that that northern part just hasn't been triggered yet But yeah, you can see that it's the right that's there. It 's ready to be putting a road on So mr. Nelson on our next agenda if you could bring us an update on If Robinson Road in that area is on any of the CIP plans or our mobility plans So we could get an idea as to what's going on there You know that's in the south part of town so so it's somebody else it's an idiot, you know, maybe that No, it's it's all the record I said stupid not idiot. Oh, I think you're not supposed to call people idiots Well, I get called stupid idiot Because one's never enough for me, okay, this is a new project that y'all haven't seen and it kind of falls in that stupid idiot On 35 right? You know remember it was 2012 it was environmentally clear, right? So we weren't really confident it took us Three tries to get 2499 65 environmentally cleared years ago. And so we weren't really confident. It's a schedule and Weren't really sure what was going on with Mayhill all the way knew that there was funding for it So Mayhill bridge on 35 was just left as is all we did was scab on to the inside and the outside to make the bridge Wide enough for the lanes to go across the top now. You've got the substandard Substructure with six lanes coming to the south. They'll open in December. We're working on Mayhill even as we speak to bring four lanes Down which four lanes already exist in this area and so we met with text-dot and we have the 35 he has about 361 million dollars in cat to funding earmark for phase two For the next 10 year period and kept to funding category two is federal funding that the metropolitan organization NPO allocates so it's the RTC's money and the RTC allocated 361 million dollars of those federal dollars to I 35 for Phase two or phase 1b or phase whatever it ends up being And so when we met with text that we said look we want to go ahead and start the advanced planning on Mayhill Because we've got six lanes coming from the south four lanes coming from the north and we want to build the ultimate Mayhill Underpass like we're doing it 288. So the 288 section under 35 will be its ultimate configuration 35 on top of it will be the interim but the underneath part will be ultimate So that's what we're proposing to do here Mayhill they've agreed And from the time that this document was printed We found out that they're probably going to assign Ltra to be the engineering firm to do the work and remember this projects already environmentally cleared we're jumping right into the PS&E the design work and So a lot of hard heavy lifting has already done on this job so this is a new one that we're going to start tracking for you and we've got asterisks in the in the document the environmental clearance will be changed to the environmental clearance for Ultimate and then text that will put it in there what they call their sandbox I don't want to call it sandbox That's what they call it and then they'll give me a schedule for that and then we'll tweak it as we move forward But we can beat it They're going to give us an estimate with how long they think it'll take but we can move that Schedule along as quickly as we can move that schedule along. So what I understood you say is that there's some category two funding That's associated with 35 project that might be available to make that happen. Absolutely and that that money is actually allocated by the regional transportation council, which is part of the North Central Texas Council of Governments and we have a representative on there, right? Correct and the 361 million dollars has already been allocated to I-35e and Denton County There has not been any plan yet because We're still arguing with center over the cost of what the revenue stream is off on the wishbone We're still waiting for the managed lanes to stabilize and what our revenue streams going to be so there's we haven't really thought through it yet It's going to be difficult to make additional improvements in the south because those are all temporary Throwaways and the only way to go to the next phase is to tear out everything we just built and nobody wants to do that yet So there was a lot of things we skipped over for lack of a better word North of the lake and so this will be a chance for us to come back in and for example We bought the right away on the red development the state did so they purchased that right away That part is already environmentally cleared. So there's a lot of desire to make the improvements on 35 35 where the W&E come together because that's your next bottleneck in the city of Denton is that area over there So we're looking at making improvements over there. So we 'll be doing these spot improvements on 35 e in the interim while we're waiting on what the next phase of 35 will be and we already got May Hill In the hopper, okay I guess I'll start doing these as a PowerPoint next time Okay, this is your Luke 288 Brinker May Hill project The Utilities by utilities the only utility that's left to be relocated right now is the the city Waterline out there and they're saying they're gonna have that completed by September let me go look at the utility report real quick Hopefully it's on here. No, so it's up here. So that's the only utility that's left is the waterline relocation So when it says September we're anticipating having the city's waterline done By September And we're looking at you okay, so we're showing you that there's a highlighted change in the schedule Until the OHL gets done with the waterline They've submitted a contract schedule change for this project that says they're going from August of 18 completion to February 19. Obviously that's a problem for the city with the adjacent development Textile is not accepted the February 2019 Extension they have to negotiate that they're waiting till the water utility line gets done because that was kind of the basis of the conflict or the delay in a project was the some issues with the waterline and We have asked them for what's called a recovery schedule Which means we want them to tell us what they need to do or could do to recover back to the August timeframe So we're reporting February because that's out there and In at their world or whatever you call it and we don't want people saying we're lying to them So it's February is what? OHL is saying but textile is not accepted that schedule yet . And so we're working on it. Okay So are you you're talking about the the connection to the other side to Bucky's Adjacent development The Bucky's development is anticipating being open somewhere in the August September of 18 timeframe, right? The road won't be done by them according to OHL and what I mean by not done It isn't the brink of bridge will be there. All right, you 'll be able to go from brinker East to brinker west or whatever you want to call it to get to To the development what you won't be able to do is exit from northbound 35 to This location because 288 bridge won't be completed which means that the exit ramp won't be open So you could get from one side of rinker to the other great by the date by the August date Potentially, so OHL still has control over when they allow part of their project open if it's not open If it's not completely constructed. So for example, you see 2499 It's essentially open ready to drive on but they're doing cleanup and it's still closed. So We got to work on that on the recovery schedule Yeah before they open something needs to give because the way that it is right now is just not not gonna work. So It's an underpass correct? Yes, ma'am. 35 will go up if you drive the if you're driving southbound from 288, you'll see that 35 Past southbound 288 drops. So essentially all that we're gonna do is hold that grade For a longer distance before let it drop Do with with Phil and then build a bridge structure for a r ink it across So it's there's potential for that Development to be open in the road not Willing to accept extra traffic for an extra seven months or so six months Can I quote you on that? I'm at the question for the people listening who live in the right. So that's the problem That's okay is that we know that there we don't know if the development will choose to not open given what we experienced with them at the ten year development 114 and 35 w they opened anyway and We're just now getting the last improvements on the ground out there Literally in October were finished. So that was a year after and that was not Conducive to good mobility. So we're trying right now. We 're just reporting you The bad news up front. We're still believe we're gonna recover that schedule to some degree. Okay, I Just didn't want to come here and tell you that still In 2018 and you hear from somebody else that there you're here in 2019. I'm just telling you that upfront OHL has told us that this is their schedule and the state's not accepting it So we're gonna meet with them after the water line is done because then they can start Fully working on the project because all they're doing right now is essentially utility relocations. They don't even start on actual the road project But all the funding for that connection is in place. Absolutely, and there's a good chance that there's going to be Part of the recovery schedule is Either giving them additional funding Right because we're not going to give them time because time is what we're trying to buy back So there may be a scenario where we have to provide additional funding and once we know what that dollar amount is then we'll work together between text that the county and the MPO to determine the best method to Cover that cost overrun the water line is a city water line Correct. And is there anything that the city? Can do to expedite you guys to show up when you're supposed to you did what you're doing It's just that there were some valves that Were older outside the limits of the project that you know, nobody knew to go look for so I went to go turn them off to to reroute the Water they didn't work. So we had to go buy these stoppoles or whatever I'm way outside my league on this stuff, but they had to order them and so it took some time but it was it was unforeseen and the city staff was Johnny on the spot. They've been out there helping with Inspections as quickly as they need to be so OHL didn't really apply themselves either. There was a lot of places They could have been working Other than the water line and they just didn't apply themselves This is what they did to us on the big project as you're coming out of the airport Coming up 121 where you see all the where they're doing the braided ramps. That's an OHL job - that was supposed to been done in July And still not completed. So there's just it's their MO Okay, and and I'm assuming that someone has notified the developer I'm not going to well mark Can you make sure that somebody knows if I make sure the developer they actually talked to me because I'll tell you what? He has lobbyist Okay, so here's the thing. I did talk to him the other day because he was asking about this signal at For the frontage roads. Okay, so here's the kicker We're gonna be beating OHL to give us a recovery schedule and not giving them any more time but then we're gonna ask him to include in the project the signal at Brinker that wasn't in the original project because it wasn 't warranted we provided a warrant I think to the city and to text that that says that the the signal will be wanted and We want to include it in the project so that when the project's done the signals there and operational because it 'll help traffic flow So we got this kind of that's more money, too Yeah, but it's not the money. That's the issue It's that OHL is going to take anything we ask them to do additional as an excuse to ask for more time, right? And that's not what we can't give them more time. So It's a it's a dance Or knife fight and I can't remember which one it is Okay And we have about 20 minutes left because we got a I can get done real fast. Yeah, okay Okay 35 north this is real quick this is there's no really update on this other than we're waiting on HDR to address some of the comments that we're working on for the value engineering study this is a project from 380 all the way up to the county line widening the project to For for a six lane freeway it isn't funded in the region but the reason we haven't funded in the region is with the region has made a strategic decision to allow Text thought Austin to come in and pick this up because text that Austin said it's their goal by a certain date to have 35 from the Rio to the red six lanes and so We're going to give them an opportunity to honor their commitment But if they don't I'm sure the cargo come in and text that and they'll help pick up that project but we're looking at the environmental completion of this project being done in December of 2018. So let's say it does happen in 2018 by June July of 19 If you don't file a lawsuit on this project, it's set in stone literally from a regulatory standpoint That's the critical date after that we can move Wow After that date we can move faster on the right away and the utility locations where we're in control of our own destiny So right now we need to get the we got comments from the VE study We've got to get those back to the feds. We're working on that and we're shooting for that December 2018 environmental clearance date In town. I love this road now. I go to Academy all the time . It should be Completed and punched out. They're just doing I'm just showing you I'll show you all they're doing right now is doing punch list and Issues that the lanes should be open. I was out there the other day and it appeared that they were All right, go ahead only one question there Is there any are there any plans to put landscaping in the wider sections of the medians where there's just grass now? That's dying to match Typically what happens is is after the project is completed the city comes in and coordinates with Text that area office and through the green ribbons program Okay, and they do it after fact because we don't let the contractors do landscape because they don't do it very well , right? Okay, so that would be something the city follows up with right and we can work with them on that They're actually y'all staff is fairly proficient at the All that stuff because if you look at most of your roadways , there's there's what I call enhanced landscaping on your own system projects So, okay. Thank you. It's typically after the project is the contractors gone All right Us 380 East this is the project out to the Collin County line This project is now fully funded at the hundred and thirty million dollar price tag text that is Doing the green segment in house because it's easy essentially, which includes Julie's 10-foot Bike trail I think whatever Can you drive a car on it? And then I don't know anything about it And See I tell you what I've seen pollster with cowboy boots his cowboy hat and his spandex shorts on a mountain bike And I don't ever want to see it again It's someone control So We have CHN 2 Hill I think is doing the design for the blue section or its trans systems I'll get that for you We just got that the other day, but they are moving forward with schedule such that we are anticipating having the environmental clearance by June of next year now there are 114 parcels to acquire in the blue section alone But that's outside y'all city limits, but people that go that way we're going to be grade separating 720 423 NaVo where Brazzwell is really and Teal and legacy so it'll basically be a what we call a super street and just when you say great operation What you mean a bridge where the people on? 380 will not have to stop if they're just going on through at these locations They could just continue on but if they want to stop there 'll be an off-ramp to get off the lanes to come to those roads To cross streets, so it'll It won't be a freeway. It'll be what we call a limited access facility which means you'll have far fewer stops and Obviously you're not going to stop anywhere over the lake so that should move the traffic fairly well And it does include the and there's a question. Oh, this is the point where I ask you about the right turn I know that's supposed to be done as a separate maintenance job well before this and I and so we want from We've had three area engineers since this request was made So I guess we just need to tee that back up in our on system meeting mark if you In what we're talking about is loop 288 Going north on 288 to go east on 380 And it's stuffs there I mean bus showed a way to fix it without having to have to jack with that drainage ditch on and there's and there's development coming in Actually, just wipe that out That get widened yeah, we will put on our on system task force report and Start we'll put it in there. We'll put as a standalone Item for us to start tracking and and we might want to also have it on our radar screen in terms of of Whatever the engineering department is doing with the developer on that in terms of curb cuts to get into that Facility that new development, I was surprised when I thought it was like 55 acres And it goes way back to the east Yes, I used to take my son younger son to school in the mornings early for football and there were several times I came back. I'd see a big old buck chasing does out there So I'm glad y'all are doing that because I think you're gonna push him towards my property Okay Luke 288 so Luke 288 is anticipated having environmental clearance by 2020 and That's not because we can't get it done sooner We are going to try to move that up, but right now 288 is not in what's called conformity Until like 2040 and so we have to update conformity Which conformity is where you have the highway bill and what you do with transportation match What's your air quality requirements are they have to conform to each other? and so anytime you build a road either helps or hurts air quality and You take credit for it in a certain year and right now 288 is moving faster Procedurally than what we anticipated so it's in a further out here and conformity. So we've got to walk through a process to get it back to a Year that we're working on we think we can get that done by next year But if nothing else happens 2020 is the time frame and I was meeting with Kelly Salmon again on last Thursday And he wants to get together and find a way to start Funding 288 What concern that I've got regarding that is that? my my memory serves me it was hard to find a preliminary route because so many gas wells and and what my concern is is that In the meantime, there may be more gas wells that pop up that block it is all of this within our city limits so that we can make sure that we don't have any gas wells blocking it or or What's the story on there? Well, we've threaded the needle on all the gas wells that are out there and we coordinated with the coal ranch and with various Know the developers in the north and then we're working with you know We're basically going where the airport was going to take a take their alignment. So we feel like we've got a corridor That's fairly well protected And we had to tweak it a little bit just the other day Not the other day a couple months on the on the southern section for 2449 because you had a transmission line And then you had a gas well, so we y'all recommended us taking a more southerly alignment to miss both the transmission line and the and the gas well, so we've got a we've got a alignment that we think that it's fairly well threaded through not only the current Conflicts but the ones we've been able to anticipate going forward with the development that we've been coordinating with And so remember there's a full grade separation with direct connects on the northern part there will only be a half direct connect on the 428 I mean for 20 the 2449 from 35 to the loop there won't be anything going from 35 to vintage There'll be ramps, but there won't be direct connects Okay 1515 this is gonna be quick We just got LTRA's cost estimate and We are reviewing that and we'll close and I think that they 've been coordinating with the city staff to make sure that we're tying in What they're doing with the Bonnie Bray, but once we get them on board again, we'll do a kickoff meeting make sure that the LTRA Includes the city and a lot of their action items because there's a lot going on out there 1830 this is the rehab project and Basically, they're continuing this work will be done in August 2018 and this is basically a mill and overlay with with shoulders Anything on those Questions on that Do we have a we have a name that we normally call 1830 for people who don't familiar with that number Is it Okay, I think it's 1830 right Just a note because I know that Awhile ago we had McKinney on here, which was 428, but now that the city has that road We're not getting updates from mr. Polster anymore. So if there's a way that we can get those updates around the same time Frame for this committee on that would you like a monthly or would it every other month or quarterly work? Just something regular, please just so when we get an update Maybe a placeholder because this is normally an agenda item So if we could just follow it up with McKinney Street agenda item to for updates Right with utilities and anything like that And it may be nothing to report this month, but we don't want to have nothing to report for more than about For very long because we want to see progress being made on it Okay, so item E is staff reports Mr. Chair actually on this one We have an RTC update. I think councilmember but Gary had wanted to may approach him to Gary would like to Provide some information for majesty Mark are you gonna pull up the RTC? Yes, ma'am. Oh my god I'm triggered Okay, so I'll just let me go through this while I while we 're waiting So RTC was on Thursday and there were several items that I wanted to bring forward to the mobility committee This is my first mobility meeting although I've been on RTC for I guess nine months now so I don't know how you guys did it before but I I'm just winging it I Welcome by the way glad you're here Yeah meeting materials These meetings are also televised. So I think last time we had what four or five people watching out of the whole region They tell you how many people are watching seriously four people Is that through streaming yes, it's live stream and they have the old meetings as well as I understand it so Let's see I have mine up so I wanted to just touch on some of the things that I had requested and kind of get Mobilities feedback. There's a traffic signal timing project. I think that's on point 2.2 Wanted to know if there's anything that city of Denton we were specifically called out at that meeting city of Denton Do you have any traffic signal timing projects? You'd like to bring to us? So I'm just carrying that forward to see if there's anything Along those lines they can't have been changed in the last however many months and I know we changed a lot of ours recently Just update on that. We went after the same grant a couple years ago. We received it we have a consultant on board through cog that's currently working on our timing and I Would say it's been a little bit struggle, especially with all the construction projects going on throughout the city it's been a challenge to collect data make it efficient and Retime it so it's been a slower process and it's over little over a year that the consultants been gathering data and Developing timing we don't have the new timing yet But we'll soon have it and implement it and when we're talking about timing what we're talking about is a sequencing of signal lights We make traffic flow more smoothly and and and not have as many cars Stopped at signal lights and idling and putting emissions into the air. What roads are we talking about? We're in we currently have about 75 or 78 signals that we're gonna do and they're all along major corridors 380 is one of them Teasley all the major corridors to a Friday loop 288 is one of them. So We've almost about 60 to 70 percent of the signals will be retimed Are you saying that that they were looking for more submission? They want more submissions. Yes This one is the retiming and they want to be able to determine what your mobility benefits are for microphone, please 35 points for mobility benefit cost benefit analysis of your progression of your traffic through the corridors They want to know what you're not to VOC. They'll calculate that for you Make sure that it's tied into other technologies communications. What's your environmental justice is? That's a thing that I was talking about a minute ago and then However, it supports multimodal Operations from you know moving trucks cars people. So those are the criteria that you have to meet and it's a It's a it doesn't have a maximum dollar amount but they're trying to limit it to Smaller Denomination so they can get more Dots on the map for lack of a better word and then John so Maybe I'm connecting these two and they're not supposed to be connected But at a prior meeting they had also stated that they were looking for data For that's a different that's a different program and that is That's what they're essentially trying to do is get the cities to allow or to upload their information to this cog 5-1-1 Programming and they disseminated out to ways in rates all of the the traffic GPS folks, right and they want real-time information like so if you're gonna have your Festivals down here, whatever you're gonna close streets from this time of this time or these days That gets uploaded to the 5-1-1 and then 5-1-1 distributes out And so when ways is routing people to Denton, they'll have that real-time information and they'll they'll They'll reroute it and and so there's There's some costs associated with the city's to do and this program that Tom Belmont a Belmont he's doing provide some compensation to the cities for some Whatever they got to do to make that data available and it 's basically if you say you want to do it I'll do it with you And just as a heads up I've reached out to town of Flower M ounds traffic engineer We're gonna try and get their submittal they submitted and so we're gonna see what we can do to see if there's a way to Craft something similar with that Just a question on the Traffic signal. So is this funding for new signals? This is retiming. Okay, and it can't be signals that have been retimed any time in the last two years and There's more there's the criteria is way larger what I'm telling you What they're gonna grade you on but they won't even let you start if they don't think your road is a What they call a significant arterial in other words has is eligible for movement of traffic So there's some things we got to walk through but it's worth looking at I mean And we qualify because we're in a non-attainment area. That 's correct, right? Okay, and so the other program is what they call minor improvements and by minor improvements, they're saying $50,000 or less per per Power per project and so they're talking about you need to if some cities don't have opticon signals types or whatever so it Those are the said those are types of things are talking about, you know some type of control or whatever That's not very expensive, but that would link them somehow and again, they have a criteria that again It's environmental justice the cost to the mobility benefit ratio all this stuff And they're the call this call is open through October 13th , I think You got to get it in so They don't give you a lot of time So just on that one We're not eligible because we've already have funding and we're currently using that to retime all the signals So they will be retimed in the near future in the next few months So we can't go for funding on this route. So whoever probably called you out Probably didn't know you were already doing it. I might have confused the call out the way Tom really wants didn't yes, and I think I think that I think that comment was Denton County wide It wasn't just the city of Denton Yeah To follow up on the the timing Is that something you bring back to the committee and we will look at those or is that just something that automatically happens? I'm because we have like request for longer yellow lights and things like that Is there a way for citizens to comment on certain intersections or are you just look at traffic flow? This may be off topic. So Actually cog has hired a consultant to develop the signal timing and primarily they're looking at coordination. They 're not looking at Necessarily one or two locations that need extra green or extra yellow time. It's more focused on corridor and Through traffic moving traffic through the ever gone through Abilene when you're trying to go to Colorado And you pray that you get there at that time you get that signal just right where all 13 of those signals turn green So here's you're going through that's what they're talking about They want the traffic to progress right to keep the emissions. I gotcha. I didn't know that anybody went through Abilene to get to Colorado Maybe an amaryllis. They all look alike to me Wow The next item was number five the 2017 infrastructure for rebuilding America grants the infra grants and I just wanted to get a little blurb from our people about what we might be eligible for what we might be applying for Because it's quite a large pot of money. Yes, so I Was using some choice words during RTC on text message back and forth between Text that in cog not with me. Don't boy. No, no And I don't know if you saw when I got out and left and then Mo burr got up and Michael got up and left That's what we were talking about Because not typically what they do on these is they say here we're gonna pick what we think is a good project, right? So they're picking 635 and then they say the locals you're eligible you can submit what you want And they but typically in the past they would give you a letter of support as long as it was in the plan Now they're saying we don't want you competing against us. I guess what we're not gonna do We're not gonna give you a letter of support. So these are very involved Applications and they're very expensive We were gonna I was gonna try to do one for 35 on the wish bone because that's what was submitted under fast lane last time But only if cog was gonna do a letter of support if they're not gonna do a letter of support the feds aren't even gonna look at it, so That was the problem is if they're they're talking about if you look at the next part there, it says please be aware you know about details recent grant it's talking about whether they should provide The letter not and you heard where they were going saying no, we're not going to support other applications So and you think that that's a death knell for any type of application to the feds? Your experience has been that yes, and I when I said that tomorrow goes well there was a there was one project in another state They got funded One one So but here's the thing this is the And I want to be careful I say because you look at the previous item big projects in Texas You'll know that there's no Way, will you move up to item for you see the electronic item five and the grants and all that stuff That means if you wanted to go before the meeting and look at it You can go look at it. What the presentation is going to be Item four does not have any presentation associated with it, right they already picked LBJ they already picked the Downtown lower lowest Simmons and they already picked the project in Tarrant County to be the big idea And it was basically Victor Vandergrift Michael Kelly Sal mon and low bustle the two district engineers Michael and the Commission said these are priorities and they laid them out to the group now Unfortunately, they're right Those are the right projects. There's there's nothing that competes with 635 in the section They want to do or the lowest lower Simmons where all the volume of traffic is coming off of 183 It's dropping down into that area where because the city of Dallas is Squirrely they dumped on the Trinity project. So now they got to go back and fix what's actually there In its city of Dallas had not been what they were So we're having to put a lot of money into the city of Dallas to fix their problems because a political chicanery So I was upset more about the fact that there was of the process Than the projects right because there wasn't any Dialogue Would that be political chicanery or skullduggery? Well when you don't like them I call it skullduggery if you think they got good intentions, but they just messed up I call it chicanery. Okay. Thank you Yes, ma'am. Okay I don't know what item it was but there was a mention about in city and government's bond Planning process. Yes to include Pre kind of pre planning with RTC as far as what projects may be matched by RTC So you can kind of get that pre clearance a little bit and I know we're talking about a 2020 item 13 Thank you. I know we're talking about a 2020 or 2021 bond program So I wanted to talk about this now as far as planning ahead with what it is that we even present to like our bond committees and That out there so what they do is is they'll say if you're planning on having a bond program Come sit down with us. Tell us what it is. You think you're gonna do. Let us see which one of those are Federally eligible for participation whether it be through CMAC STBG or their local funds that they they they generate and the intention is is they still want you to go out for if you're planning on doing a Hundred million dollar bond program. They still want you to go out and do the hundred million dollar bond program They just want you to let them pay for 30 million of it and then you give them 30 million bucks in local funds because they put in their local fund account and now they Got money that doesn't have strings attached but typically to get 30 million. They'll give you 40 So you leverage it up? Because you're taking Dollars that have to go through a process and you're giving them dollars that don't so your money's worth more So you leverage it right Which is this is not new So what I understand councilmember is that we just need to continue to work on prioritizing our list And working with the council government's only opportunity. I would just tweak that a little bit Before you prioritize your list you may not know what is what how to tweak it to make it more leverageable and Coggro will come meet with you and just have it like a Shred or brainstorm where you just kind of talk about what you want to do Yeah, so before we get to the part where we're prioritizing is what I'm understanding There was a small bond that our small Grant two small grants. So I don't I'm sorry. I can't remember which item it was but it was a low-income mobility elderly low-income That would be the chart So here I really have more of a question Do you remember which item it was? I think it's nine. Okay so there there was a federal funding to improve access to work for the low-income workforce and access to mobility for The elderly and mobility impaired and I went to a public meeting at DCTA on Some of the things that are needed and Denton a lot of community members there. Obviously it was at DCTA. I left there thinking that DCTA would be Applying for something or that one of the community groups would be applying for something and it turns out that Dent on didn't have any applications at all So I don't know what maybe I just made an assumption that I shouldn't have made but how can we? Encourage DCTA to go after some of these projects if you'll hit electronic at nine It'll show you the list. I think you're talking about Right list if you see the organization's way up there on the top So there was money specifically for the Denton Louisville corridor and only span of Louisville and span of I think flower mound applied for it But I definitely see needs for our for mobility for our low -income workforce that's something that comes up a lot and I was surprised that I Thought since we I guess I thought since we were having the meeting at DCTA that DCTA was applying for it but what I guess that's May I'll get I'll get with that Christina Brevard and Michelle Bloomer who handles their bus their bus bus operations and see what? See how we can better engage in that process. Well also in span of different Is that separate from Louisville? I Don't know Span is just a dentin organization because they get human services money There's also a spit you said span and Louisville got somebody so we need to make sure that span and dentin is aware that this is possible And so to that point I mean we have data now with our point-in-time count with homelessness issue and also low-income that Transportation is the number one biggest issue that is preventing people from working So if they need that data, I mean it's out there right now, especially for our city Yeah, I'm thinking maybe we just need to have a little bit more better coordination between what some of our social needs are and then and DCTA and The funding opportunities that are available. So just a way to bring that all together And I feel like I dropped the ball as well. So mea culpa For the smaller Joint access reverse community programs and whatnot and if the money is not applied for and/or given So you want me to start over Yeah All right, I'll be more succinct This is a subset of the money that was allocated to the three transit organizations the D the T Dart and DCTA and it's sub allocated to let these look smaller entities have a shot The lights the lights tell on but I think you have your mic on you might want to pull your mic closer to Okay, I'm not repeating it. Okay And the thing is is if the the subset group that it's in that area for DCTA doesn't apply for those funds They simply just go back to DCTA So DCTA is not the ones that would be the spans and the smaller organizations and and not to put a too final point On it, but the the transit agencies are actually hoping that a lot of these folks don't apply So the money comes back to them for theirs their use is is this money that would be used for a Term that that a lot of the transit organizations talk is the last mile So people people get to the bus station or to the train station. They've got a mile to go They have a disability that's a difficult thing to do and that this would help find getting them to that line And you're in your jar product program is The last mile going to work and getting home right? There's a lot of people find they have the ability to get Transit to work, but if they are in the middle of the day and they have to come home for some reason They don't have a way to get back, right? Some of the project recipients were span obviously Of Louisville and then the dart program was a taxi Reimbursement program for it was like a voucher program for exactly what you're talking about, which is the last mile So I'm that helps me understand as usual everything that I think is how things work and transportation funding is the exact opposite so Maybe just brainstorming about how we can include our smaller organizations that serve these communities More into the mix and if I need to do something or maybe reach out happy to do it I just I guess I didn't realize that all those people at the meeting weren't gonna apply for them for the funds They've got the funds. They're hoping nobody else applies for them Okay, well there are there's some community groups there. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry Yeah, it was a community groups meeting and there were a lot There's a lot of catching and needs that weren't being met and so I was just surprised So I think maybe we need to kind of step in and help in some way connect the dots for for community groups in the future So this is the 13 minute warning Thank you that was very helpful I appreciated that more insight than I've gotten on RTC meetings So we still have a few left on staff reports like the DCTA pedestrian bridge and that who's going to do that So mr. Chair on on the update on the pedestrian bridge you had requested as part of a The matrix back in June just an update on that particular project I did in the backup as stated DCTA is moving forward with a with a text out grant to connect basically from Swisher down to Kelton which is Just just on the north side of the bridge on the east side of 35 So that's south of town south of south side of Lake Dallas and then kind of through Hickory Creek on the east side of 35 That's that's part of a text dot grant through DCTA. They 're in the process of constructing that then as part of the 35 Express project that that Hiking bike trail be picked up there at Kelton just on the south side of Kelton It'll take it across the bridge or across the lake on the existing bridge To the to the Lake Louisville Highland Village station do we know when that's going to be completed? the The bridge structure they've opened the frontage roads now and they're just finishing the the screening walls on each section and then so they're saying that by end of September the shared use path will be open there They're not they're doing the non transportation Related items last because they're 58 days behind schedule but We think that by the end of September that that shared use path will be open is the shared use path on both The southbound and northbound or is it just on one correct? It's on both sides Okay, and there's a 14 foot outside lane on the fringe road for any of those brave enough to ride a bicycle there I'm not Move on The other the other item then Item three is just a notice of the public meeting on FM 18 30 for next Tuesday Tuesday yet the 26th and this is for the widening of 1830 from two lanes to four with 12 foot lanes and 10 foot shoulders It's a actual widening not the resurfacing that's going on now and that public meeting is when and where? It is on the 26th and it is at Harpal Middle School 6 p.m. 6 p.m. To 8 p.m Okay And for the matrix on the matrix just quickly wanted to run run through these on item to UNT parking meters that project was completed we We had to add some additional signage on the south side of Hickory between Welch and and Fry Street But that was completed as of yesterday. So Everything is in place as of now. We also had as part of that we preserved a number about six parking meter poles and added some bicycle Bicycle racks to those so that we could basically allow upwards to two bikes on each of those Parking meter poles that was a suggestion of one of the stakeholders In the area to to encourage some additional bike parking in the area So we'll continue to work with UNT in terms of enforcement of parking in that area and get some data Report that back at the end of the year in terms of How well that's working how quickly or how efficiently? vehicles are rotating or cycling through those parking spots Yes, ma'am And is there a chance to to also maybe do something a pilot program on the bike? Bicycles there on that bike lane to get data to go along at the same time So we was we looked into that or initiated that process Julie. Do you have an update on that? Yeah Yeah, it's definitely it's possible to do it for cheap I mean it's relatively cheap and just be paint Just some slight concerns about Reaching out to the businesses, you know, we told them there's not gonna be a bike lane there right now if we do it as a pilot What's the feedback going to be from those business owners? So just some issues we need to work Forward with before we move forward with doing a pilot program Well, I would think that for the businesses it would be beneficial because they would actually have real data to compare to like Does this really affect my business or not or you know, does it help it does it you know, and that would be Easy easier for council to to make that call knowing those numbers. So it was just a An idea. Yeah Regarding the matrix it said that I'm looking on the matrix saying we were gonna get some information in this month I don't know parking in front of DCTA bus shelters, correct We've taken that item to award with the legal department to change the code and some modifications for the authority of the traffic engineer to impose parking restrictions currently the traffic engineer has authority to impose parking restrictions for in front of trash cans in front of other places that are needed throughout the city for access purposes so as part of that I talked to legal and they said the easiest and the best way to Implement this without getting into whole ordinance or our big change was to add bus stops Within that whole language and that would resolve the issue We can look at it case by case basis and actually implement it where wherever it's necessary So we've taken that to traffic safety. They've recommended to move forward with the suggestion of modifying the ordinance chapter 18 Of the code and then I'll bring it to council in the October 10th meeting. Okay Do we have any members that have any concerns on the current matrix Questions on the current matrix. I do know that I think someone Mario you were gonna do a little presentation on that last item Okay, we've been receiving it messages emails around about Hickory Lately, this is a I think what that those emails are about The last one yeah Um Hang on a second. We have five minutes left. Yeah, unless you can do it really quick. I can go real fast Okay, because we need some time for I don't sure future agenda The bottom line is the Hickory Street improvement project. It's about to kick off in January of next year And so one of the things that has been brought to our attention By the oak Hickory historic district is is there an opportunity for the city to consider? Adding some or working with that with with that group of incorporating some sidewalk improvements along with The decorative lighting that they have on Oak Street if you drive down Hickory the decorative lighting is on the south side But there's not any on the north side and if you drive down oak That that decorative lighting is zig-zagged across across the street. I believe there is Believe 10 to 12 lights across that corridor and they'd like to replicate that very same look and feel on Hickory The issue with Hickory is there's a very little lip. There 's a very little room on the north side However, Hickory is a slightly slightly wider than oak. So before we go into construction The thought is could we through the engineering department look at? Hickory With the potential of shrinking the width of the road to incorporate room to allow for the decorative lighting and the sidewalk improvements And so before we went to construction, we've met out on site with our design team Engineering team to see what options we could have and that 's that's what they're doing Now is seeing what options are available what that would be from a cost perspective What would it be from a timing perspective with the improvement so that we don't lose too much time if there is that? If that is a case So we wanted to bring it to the to the committee's attention to see if you want us to continue continue with that process of vetting Before we go any further I'm good with it But I would be concerned about making the Hickory Street more narrow and losing the bike lane Now if you wanted to consider making the travel lanes more narrow and creating a buffer between the bike lane and the Auto lanes and using that buffer is a place to put those street lights I could I could really Work up a lot of enthusiasm for something like that We'll look at those options again. It's just to bring it to your attention Yeah, I'm good with looking at options All right Then items for concluding items and where we'd be looking at things to consider on the next meeting On our next agenda. We need to have an election for the chair and the vice chair I'm chairing this because I was vice chair and we need to get that done Let's get a fuller report on Timing Signal sequencing what all is involved where we're focusing on Doing those projects and in anticipation of when we might see that happen There was some time back we had heard some information about Not interested in necessarily enforcing the the parking rules saying you can't park within 20 feet of an intersection or a stop sign that we were going to put up some signage instead To educate people that you're not supposed to do that Let's give it a report back on on where we are in that process Other items. Yes, ma'am Okay, so there is not a Crossing signal at McKinney and Mayhill and I know that both of those roads are going to be redone But I was standing there at a red light trying watching children tried to cross After school and I would looked up and realized there's not even anything there for them to Cross at that intersection and so that was really shocking to me and I don't know if we've just been waiting and waiting and waiting to do anything until the roads are Getting improved Reconstructed but it's I just like for us to look to see if there's something we can do right now I mean kids were just like giving up and walking in between cars as they were stopped at a red light and So stop to the stop sign, yeah, no the red light at Mayhill and McKinney there's it's an intersection right? It's like busy and there's there's nothing and so Sorry So you're looking for some pedestrian crossing pedestrian signal at that intersection. Is that what you're something we can do in the meantime Pedestrian signal for crossing. Yeah, right. I mean, I'm sure that when those Intersections when the intersection is upgraded there's gonna be quite a bit of stuff there. But when we're looking at the McKinney Design, I know we were gonna look at something for sidewalk s first So maybe we can get that incorporated as well, too And an update on the green ribbons project or program with landscaping I I don't know if that's is that our department or this committee It was mentioned that that's who takes care of the landscape through the parks department Okay Okay No, I'm good. Let's see our go If we could bring back the bike lanes on Hickory discussion as a part of this larger Hickory Street options I'd like to go ahead and start moving that along. Are you talking about? Where they already are or no the new bike lanes that we had talked about we tabled Okay as a council so but Along the University of North Texas campus. Yes Fry Street area. Yes, okay And especially as it relates to how we're gonna configure H ickory Street Just the next block over like to understand that as a complete project For the next meeting if we could have a specific discussion about Dedicating funds for sidewalks and creating a dedicated sidewalk fund And where that money might come from just note there's I think eight hundred forty thousand dollars that we found in this budget cycle that would probably be available I remember when we find money And then maybe as a part of that sidewalk discussion a Top three list of the most important or high priority sidewalks that you already have on file and What that might cost so that we have just a discussion about what that funding needs to look like going forward with examples Okay, just we gotta go. Okay. One last thing I forgot is the congestion mitigation air quality improvement project funding we had Sidewalks that we for the schools that we had applied for for that and just an update on those please on that I have a letter here At the next meeting Need detail from her after the meeting because it's 1132 and we're going to adjourn this meeting Thank you all. Thanks for the reports [ Silence ]