1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,160 Mobility Committee meeting to order. We do have a quorum 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,120 present. We're meeting here at the City Hall 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,119 conference room 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,550 Council conference room on McKinney Street. Our first order 5 00:00:12,550 --> 00:00:15,519 of business is to consider approval of the Mobility 6 00:00:15,519 --> 00:00:16,219 Committee 7 00:00:17,519 --> 00:00:21,320 Council meeting minutes from June 13th. I 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,579 Will move approval. There's a motion to approve second. All 9 00:00:26,579 --> 00:00:28,960 those in favor say aye. Aye opposed 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,450 That passes as presented. Item B is receive a report hold a 11 00:00:34,450 --> 00:00:37,280 discussion regarding the federal safe 12 00:00:37,679 --> 00:00:41,359 Safe routes to schools program and the City of Denton 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,399 Safe routes to schools program plan 14 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,479 Who's going to be doing this? Mr. Chair, I'd like to have 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,189 Julie Anderson our bike and pedestrian coordinator 16 00:00:51,189 --> 00:00:53,460 facilitate this discussion. Thank you 17 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,600 Okay, good morning council members 18 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,640 We're just going to give you a quick overview of what a 19 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,479 safe routes to school program is 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,069 Apologize the slides are a lot of words, but it's really no 21 00:01:07,069 --> 00:01:09,239 pictures to go along with it. So 22 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,500 First of all, I just want you to know that what a safe 23 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:16,400 routes to school program is is dedicated federal funding 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:17,519 for projects that increase 25 00:01:17,519 --> 00:01:19,519 biking or walking ability to schools 26 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:22,680 These are funded through the various transportation bills 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,439 through Congress. So the very first one was in 2005 28 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,909 That was what was called the safety loo transportation plan 29 00:01:28,909 --> 00:01:32,030 safe accountable flexible efficient transportation equity 30 00:01:32,030 --> 00:01:34,200 act and legacy for users 31 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,950 That authorized six hundred and twelve million over five 32 00:01:37,950 --> 00:01:38,400 years 33 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,439 It was then reauthorized for two additional years at 183 34 00:01:41,439 --> 00:01:42,219 million a year 35 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:45,670 This created the safe routes to school program and it was a 36 00:01:45,670 --> 00:01:47,760 standalone program for funding 37 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,340 So it was not competing against other projects for active 38 00:01:50,340 --> 00:01:52,680 transportation for funding 39 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,049 When that bill ran out a new one was authorized in 2012 40 00:01:58,049 --> 00:01:59,239 called map 21 41 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:02,189 That was moving ahead for progress in the 21st century. 42 00:02:02,189 --> 00:02:05,560 That was approximately 8 million each year for two years 43 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,599 It didn't make some changes 44 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:10,150 It combined safe roads to school with other biking and 45 00:02:10,150 --> 00:02:12,520 trail projects to create a transportation alternatives 46 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:13,439 program 47 00:02:13,439 --> 00:02:17,379 Which we refer to as tap so it was competing against biking 48 00:02:17,379 --> 00:02:20,680 and biking and recreational trails projects at that time 49 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,199 When that bill ran out Congress authorized our current 50 00:02:26,199 --> 00:02:29,360 transportation funding bill, which is the fast act fixing 51 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,280 America's 52 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,960 surface transportation 53 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,860 So against our current bill is adopted in 2015 54 00:02:35,860 --> 00:02:41,879 It has 835 million for 2016 and 2017 then 850 million for 55 00:02:41,879 --> 00:02:43,300 2018 through 2020 56 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,000 Some various sort of small changes safe rest of school was 57 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,479 essentially stayed the same way it was 58 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,680 But it did was renamed the transportation alternatives set 59 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:54,120 aside 60 00:02:55,319 --> 00:02:57,919 It was still competing against other active transportation 61 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,740 projects and recreational trails projects 62 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,939 But they let it up to the states to decide if they wanted 63 00:03:03,939 --> 00:03:05,840 to have one call for projects 64 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,590 So all three would be competing for funds or they could 65 00:03:08,590 --> 00:03:10,199 separate out if they wanted to 66 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:15,300 So regarding that you said for states to decide so that 67 00:03:16,159 --> 00:03:20,560 835 million then the 850 million that's allocated to states 68 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,439 on some type of a formula basis 69 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:25,219 Yeah, it's a formula basis based on population 70 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:30,139 Okay, and then it's administered in states or in Texas by 71 00:03:30,139 --> 00:03:32,639 what agency or agencies? 72 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,240 Um, so it's overseen federally by the Federal Highway 73 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:35,500 Administration 74 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,020 Hear us locally. It's by our local MPO 75 00:03:39,300 --> 00:03:42,500 Which is the North Central Central Texas Council of Govern 76 00:03:42,500 --> 00:03:44,479 ments an MPO is 77 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,240 Metropolitan Planning Organization, that's where dedicate 78 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,800 that's where federal funds get 79 00:03:50,620 --> 00:03:53,490 Siphoned through to different municipalities. Okay. Yes, ma 80 00:03:53,490 --> 00:03:53,599 'am 81 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,080 How many cities are competing for them 82 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,289 I don't know the exact number of cities, but I know for our 83 00:04:02,289 --> 00:04:05,219 area cog has I think 23 counties 84 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,650 So we're competing against everybody in the North Central 85 00:04:08,650 --> 00:04:12,699 Texas region. I think that's 16 counties 16. Thank you 16 86 00:04:12,699 --> 00:04:14,159 counties. Thank you 87 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,089 They separate out between like rural and urban so like 88 00:04:18,089 --> 00:04:22,290 people in Dallas are competing against little tiny rural 89 00:04:22,290 --> 00:04:23,360 communities 90 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:28,639 So cog 91 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:31,800 Did have a call for projects in late 2016 for the 92 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,660 transportation alternative set-aside funding 93 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,199 23 million was allocated for our region and these funds 94 00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:40,560 cover the fiscal year 16 to 19 95 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,160 And cog decided they did want to separate separate out 96 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,019 their call for projects so that safe routes to school would 97 00:04:46,019 --> 00:04:47,439 not be competing against other 98 00:04:47,439 --> 00:04:49,439 active transportation projects 99 00:04:50,199 --> 00:04:53,149 We submitted applications one for active transportation to 100 00:04:53,149 --> 00:04:57,079 safe routes to school projects and we were awarded 101 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,589 We will have reimbursement funding for those projects that 102 00:05:00,589 --> 00:05:01,639 we were selected 103 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:04,120 for 104 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,399 Can you can you talk about how many other cities are? 105 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:12,879 Projects were nominated 106 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,040 Yes, I wish I had brought that list 107 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,600 But Denton we submitted our two safe routes to school and 108 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,060 we ranked one and two are both our projects for those that 109 00:05:22,060 --> 00:05:22,920 got funded 110 00:05:24,079 --> 00:05:26,819 Fort Worth had a several that they were funded for as well 111 00:05:26,819 --> 00:05:28,000 might have been 112 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,199 20 projects maybe I'm sorry. I cannot remember I did not 113 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:32,040 print that out 114 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,319 But we ranked one and two for our two projects we submitted 115 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,000 Thanks 116 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,980 Great if people are interested in that list, it's in the 117 00:05:41,980 --> 00:05:43,120 backup materials 118 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,810 If they do Google search and agendas safe routes to school, 119 00:05:46,810 --> 00:05:48,930 it'll come up when you did the presentation to the full 120 00:05:48,930 --> 00:05:49,339 council 121 00:05:49,339 --> 00:05:51,870 That's right. It was included as a backup item at a 122 00:05:51,870 --> 00:05:52,519 previous meeting 123 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,850 So our safe routes to school plan we do have one here in 124 00:05:56,850 --> 00:05:57,319 Denton 125 00:05:57,879 --> 00:06:01,959 it was was worked on back in 2010 with city staff and 126 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,560 Denton ISD staff so the plan does highlight every school in 127 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,759 Denton ISD and it has potential projects 128 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,920 Here's just a snippet of what one of them looks like. This 129 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:12,800 is Alice Street 130 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,560 connecting students to 131 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,040 Calhoun middle school right here 132 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,790 Just one thing to note this plan was never adopted and 133 00:06:20,790 --> 00:06:23,639 funding was never allocated for safe routes to school 134 00:06:23,639 --> 00:06:24,240 projects 135 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,240 So to my knowledge the city has never 136 00:06:26,959 --> 00:06:29,720 Gone after federal safe routes to school funding 137 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:31,920 cities can also 138 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,449 Fund their own safe routes to school through you know, 139 00:06:34,449 --> 00:06:36,120 whatever local programs they have 140 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,100 So did I hear you say that that we developed a citywide 141 00:06:42,100 --> 00:06:45,439 plan for safe routes to schools and it was never adopted 142 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,720 That is correct 143 00:06:48,399 --> 00:06:50,399 Let's make a note 144 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,379 Well, I couldn't figure out why I asked some people I asked 145 00:06:56,379 --> 00:06:56,839 around 146 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,949 Bill night at Denton ISD who worked on it. He wasn't quite 147 00:07:00,949 --> 00:07:02,680 sure the staff who worked on it 148 00:07:03,319 --> 00:07:06,360 The city engineer traffic engineer are no longer at the 149 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,560 city. And so I didn't have anybody to really reference 150 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,000 It may be appropriate for oh, did you want to say something 151 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,600 ? Yeah a quick note as far as I know 152 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,600 I think the issue was that 153 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:23,490 Denton ISD board did not approve it. It hung around with 154 00:07:23,490 --> 00:07:25,959 their board for a while. I don't know why and 155 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,019 The draft was never converted into a final document and 156 00:07:30,019 --> 00:07:33,879 since that didn't happen we didn't bring it to to council 157 00:07:33,879 --> 00:07:34,839 and get it 158 00:07:34,839 --> 00:07:37,560 Through the process, but I don't know what happened there 159 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,860 Is there any notion as to why did we get any feedback as to 160 00:07:40,860 --> 00:07:42,319 why they didn't adopt it? 161 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,670 where they happy with some parts that we don't know but we 162 00:07:45,670 --> 00:07:46,680 can push that item and 163 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,439 Make sure that this goes through. Yes, I do know we have a 164 00:07:50,439 --> 00:07:53,720 joint meeting with the district every year 165 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,360 And so this may be something we can put on our agenda to 166 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:57,279 discuss with them 167 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,680 And I can say that when we were working on our applications 168 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,240 for the TA set aside 169 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,930 DSD was involved in our discussions. They provided a letter 170 00:08:07,930 --> 00:08:10,519 of support and Bill Nye at DSD did work with us. So 171 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:13,439 They were very helpful in getting these the funding for 172 00:08:13,439 --> 00:08:16,629 these two safe routes to school projects. We're straying 173 00:08:16,629 --> 00:08:17,060 off topic 174 00:08:17,060 --> 00:08:20,009 I think that we need to maybe on the future agenda put safe 175 00:08:20,009 --> 00:08:21,759 routes to school plan on 176 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:24,399 mobility committee meeting agenda 177 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,040 here if there are any proposed 178 00:08:27,879 --> 00:08:29,879 revisions or updates to it and 179 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,149 And then possibly have this committee make a recommendation 180 00:08:35,149 --> 00:08:36,039 to council 181 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,360 for approval and 182 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:43,490 Yes at this point. I think we need to revisit it's been a 183 00:08:43,490 --> 00:08:44,039 few years 184 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:46,590 It's been seven years since I was created there are a lot 185 00:08:46,590 --> 00:08:49,879 of sidewalks and and connections that were pretty in since 186 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:52,600 as part of our city projects and 187 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,519 That's why all of these 188 00:08:55,519 --> 00:08:58,179 Connections need to be re looked at and revised so there 189 00:08:58,179 --> 00:09:00,919 needs to be some direction and do you serve 190 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,570 On the committee that that discusses the agenda for the 191 00:09:05,570 --> 00:09:05,919 council 192 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,639 School board meeting. Yes. Okay, so you might 193 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,269 Yeah, and I was gonna mention also the posting says receive 194 00:09:14,269 --> 00:09:17,340 a report and hold a discussion regarding the federal safe 195 00:09:17,340 --> 00:09:18,320 routes to school 196 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,049 Program and the city of Denton SRTS plan. So I think we 197 00:09:23,049 --> 00:09:25,220 could provide direction on the plan itself 198 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,879 Well, yeah, given that I think he's right 199 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,000 2010 plan seven years old it probably needs revision before 200 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,000 it's 201 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,440 It's passed 202 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,649 By the whole group, but but we certainly need to get some 203 00:09:40,649 --> 00:09:41,379 updates on it 204 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:44,620 And and see what we ought to be doing 205 00:09:45,879 --> 00:09:49,649 And I guess Bill Knight is the contact person with he has 206 00:09:49,649 --> 00:09:50,600 been so far 207 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:56,100 He's been the good contact anything else on that before we 208 00:09:56,100 --> 00:09:56,759 let her go on 209 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,980 No, I would just I would just like for it to be updated as 210 00:09:59,980 --> 00:10:03,639 well. Yeah. Okay, right. This is the end of my presentation 211 00:10:03,639 --> 00:10:05,919 This is all we have of our safe routes to school plan 212 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,000 Said it was never adopted and it was never allocated 213 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:09,940 funding 214 00:10:09,940 --> 00:10:12,649 So currently when people request sidewalks that are 215 00:10:12,649 --> 00:10:14,879 included in our safe routes to school plan 216 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,460 We added to our existing list from our 217 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,679 2014 bond election sidewalk list and we're working on 218 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,350 Reprioritizing that list to include hopefully more safe 219 00:10:25,350 --> 00:10:27,879 routes to school projects based on a ranking system 220 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,440 Yes, ma'am 221 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,720 So when the original 2010 plan was created was there any 222 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,159 idea of funding? 223 00:10:36,759 --> 00:10:39,840 requirements for certain parts of the plan I 224 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,539 Do not think so. Okay, there are actually there are no 225 00:10:44,539 --> 00:10:46,320 numbers whatsoever in here 226 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,480 Yeah, the funding was not identified and so 227 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,320 Can you talk just a little bit about? 228 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,389 how we were able to leverage funding without having a 229 00:10:57,389 --> 00:10:59,580 dedicated sidewalk fund because 230 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:04,049 As you explain it to me in order to receive these federal 231 00:11:04,049 --> 00:11:05,940 80% matching grants 232 00:11:05,940 --> 00:11:07,940 We actually have to have 233 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,960 earmarked funds for 234 00:11:10,639 --> 00:11:13,399 Sidewalks well not you just have to have the funds for the 235 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:14,759 project that you've identified 236 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,600 So we submitted to TA set aside projects and we have to 237 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:19,840 have that money 238 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:23,039 To pay for those projects doesn't have to be specifically 239 00:11:23,039 --> 00:11:25,000 sidewalk, but you have to have it for this project 240 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,539 So we were able to leverage 20% for these projects because 241 00:11:29,539 --> 00:11:31,679 of our 2014 bond election fund 242 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,370 There was two there's two million in the 2014 bond for mis 243 00:11:34,370 --> 00:11:37,879 cellaneous sidewalks. And so we had already 244 00:11:38,639 --> 00:11:41,840 Identified a project that we included in our application 245 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,600 that we had set aside funding for out of that two million 246 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,600 So we're using that as our leverage 247 00:11:49,279 --> 00:11:53,200 So just to kind of go back a little bit had we not had the 248 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,960 bond money allocated already 249 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,919 We would have had to go through the regular budget process 250 00:11:58,919 --> 00:11:59,899 which 251 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,379 You know, we know what the cycle is of that. This 252 00:12:03,379 --> 00:12:04,919 application was due in December 253 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,269 Sorry, so that would have had to go through a different 254 00:12:10,269 --> 00:12:11,240 type of process 255 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,919 Which is why I'm just gonna put this out there 256 00:12:14,919 --> 00:12:18,600 I think having a dedicated fund for sidewalk projects is 257 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,600 really the right way to go for something like this 258 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,210 And mr. Nelson, do we have it seems to me that we've had in 259 00:12:26,210 --> 00:12:29,039 past in the budget a certain amount of money for 260 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,399 sidewalks in terms of just 261 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,600 repairs and 262 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,320 Maybe additions as part of the street department's 263 00:12:38,159 --> 00:12:40,159 normal O&M 264 00:12:40,759 --> 00:12:42,759 Budget they they program some 265 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,190 maintenance funding in there as they go back through and do 266 00:12:46,190 --> 00:12:49,360 a reconstruction of the street, so it's kind of geared 267 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:50,159 towards 268 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,840 sidewalks gutters and 269 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,220 curves whenever they do a reconstruction project or how 270 00:12:56,220 --> 00:12:59,860 they get some one-off complaints on maintenance of sidewalk 271 00:12:59,860 --> 00:13:00,320 s, but 272 00:13:00,759 --> 00:13:03,840 back to councilmember Baguerre's comments having a 273 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,399 dedicated fund similar or funding source similar to your 274 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,600 bike fund 275 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,029 What we greatly enhance our opportunities to be able to 276 00:13:12,029 --> 00:13:14,840 leverage when these opportunities come up? 277 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,440 And if there were citizens who felt like that that in their 278 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,460 neighborhood they had 279 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:31,519 Sidewalks that were needed in order to get 280 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,919 Children and their parents safely from their neighborhood 281 00:13:34,919 --> 00:13:39,440 to a major street to their school. How would they? 282 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,679 Get get that on the radar screen in order to be considered 283 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,259 as we've revised this 2010 284 00:13:46,259 --> 00:13:49,559 Yeah, so they can email me as the bike pen coordinator. I 285 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,759 will take those requests. We have a ranking system 286 00:13:52,759 --> 00:13:54,960 We're working on that. We hope to be able to bring back to 287 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:55,419 this group 288 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,519 Pre-chams worked on it, and I've been looking at over where 289 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:00,720 we can rank all of our upcoming sidewalk projects 290 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,240 And then reassess that list 291 00:14:04,159 --> 00:14:07,409 Every quarter possibly to see if we need to perhaps do a 292 00:14:07,409 --> 00:14:10,440 different project first so that it would include projects 293 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:10,899 that were safe 294 00:14:10,899 --> 00:14:12,899 Routes to school they would probably bring higher 295 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,679 Are we going to need 296 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,600 Some type of dedicated funding to update this 2010 safe 297 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,360 routes to schools plan or can we use? 298 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:28,039 some of the $50,000 that's been designated for 299 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,279 updating the the bike and pedestrian plan to to 300 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,039 update this I 301 00:14:36,039 --> 00:14:39,659 Think we probably could use some of that 50,000 from the 302 00:14:39,659 --> 00:14:42,409 bike plan update. I don't believe it'll be a difficult 303 00:14:42,409 --> 00:14:42,799 update 304 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,720 staff time really 305 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:48,039 assessing sidewalks that have been built since then 306 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:53,759 Please get back to us in our next meeting on that if that 307 00:14:53,759 --> 00:14:57,600 would be sufficient or if we need to maybe direct 308 00:15:00,279 --> 00:15:03,840 Request to council to add some additional funding to update 309 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:04,639 this okay 310 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,809 And with the request for a dedicated sidewalk fund come 311 00:15:08,809 --> 00:15:10,559 from this committee 312 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,960 It could come from this committee or it could come from you 313 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:16,840 know individual guy 314 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,690 I suspected this committee would be glad to to endorse that 315 00:15:20,690 --> 00:15:21,899 right yeah 316 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:31,409 Yes, well the the projects that were approved recently, I 317 00:15:31,409 --> 00:15:33,799 guess a few months back the two 318 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:36,399 Will you come back with us on updates? 319 00:15:37,559 --> 00:15:40,639 Yes, right now. We're just working waiting for 320 00:15:42,159 --> 00:15:44,299 It has to go through the tip and the step and the 321 00:15:44,299 --> 00:15:47,250 transportation improvement plan for the state and that 322 00:15:47,250 --> 00:15:48,159 should be in November 323 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,860 And then we'll sign contracts with textile after that so we 324 00:15:50,860 --> 00:15:53,320 're looking at maybe February or March, okay? 325 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,509 Thank you, and would you since this is the first mobility 326 00:15:56,509 --> 00:15:57,960 committee meeting that's being? 327 00:15:58,879 --> 00:16:02,259 Livestreamed and going to be recorded and available to 328 00:16:02,259 --> 00:16:04,220 citizens to review 329 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:09,289 Would you remind us the two plans that did get approved and 330 00:16:09,289 --> 00:16:12,120 where they are what the plan is yeah? 331 00:16:12,159 --> 00:16:14,730 So we submitted for a ginnings elementary and Lee 332 00:16:14,730 --> 00:16:17,909 elementary so ginnings include sidewalks on Stewart Road 333 00:16:17,909 --> 00:16:19,240 both sides of the street 334 00:16:19,799 --> 00:16:22,750 That leads right up to ginnings from Windsor and for Lee 335 00:16:22,750 --> 00:16:25,080 elementary. It's including sidewalks on 336 00:16:25,799 --> 00:16:29,720 believe paisley and Mulkey to get students from the 337 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,480 neighborhood west of 338 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,080 What's that road that? 339 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,379 Audra thank you Audra to get students across Audra on Pais 340 00:16:37,379 --> 00:16:38,679 ley to Lee elementary 341 00:16:39,879 --> 00:16:41,879 Okay 342 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,759 All right anything else in on safe routes to schools 343 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:50,799 Well then thank you very much 344 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,490 Item C is receive a report hold the discussion and provide 345 00:16:53,490 --> 00:16:56,519 direction regarding the Texas Department of Transportation 346 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,990 35 Express project in the establishment of noise walls as a 347 00:17:00,990 --> 00:17:02,399 part of the project 348 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:04,759 Mr.. Nelson 349 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:06,720 Thank You councilmember 350 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,079 This is a this is a item of particular interest 351 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:14,289 I know as the project is winding down 35 Express project 352 00:17:14,289 --> 00:17:16,400 through our community is winding down 353 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,119 There's been some requests for noise walls, and how 354 00:17:19,799 --> 00:17:21,799 How those are justified? 355 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,680 What's the process I've included in the backup? 356 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,680 as well as in a previous 357 00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:30,160 memo to council 358 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,250 informal staff report on how on how those are established 359 00:17:33,250 --> 00:17:34,920 essentially it goes through a 360 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,039 Fixed 361 00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:41,279 Environmental process that the state has to follow 362 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,329 And deciding and determining one if a sound wall should be 363 00:17:46,329 --> 00:17:49,920 placed and then is it financially feasible to place said? 364 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,640 Sound wall if it's justified in our community 365 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,940 There's a series of about five sound walls and and when I 366 00:17:56,940 --> 00:17:59,400 talk about a series of them in some cases 367 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,920 They're overlapping 368 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,900 Sound walls from one particular location to another along 369 00:18:05,900 --> 00:18:06,720 the corridor 370 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,539 So that it is in between the frontage road and the main 371 00:18:10,539 --> 00:18:13,359 lanes, and then as the exit comes through 372 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,839 It'll have to overlap so there is only one sound wall 373 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:22,700 which is in the report that you have noise wall five which 374 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:23,539 is near the 375 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,150 Mergers and Performing Arts Center there along the north 376 00:18:27,150 --> 00:18:31,000 bound lanes of 35 near University of North, Texas 377 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000 Just north of North Texas Boulevard 378 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:37,490 the other the remaining sound walls the other four sound 379 00:18:37,490 --> 00:18:39,680 walls are south of that point and 380 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:44,470 Essentially because the project was financially constrained 381 00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:49,000 the right-of-way or the required 382 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,279 Additional land for the phase two project 383 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,900 Was so expensive text dot chose not to acquire the right-of 384 00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:02,299 -way through the corridor 385 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,430 Although all the right-of-way that is and some locations 386 00:19:06,430 --> 00:19:08,200 again near North Texas Boulevard 387 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,920 They did have to purchase the entire 388 00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:14,160 right-of-way in other parts of the 389 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,789 corridor through Denton that right-of-way was not acquired 390 00:19:17,789 --> 00:19:18,359 and therefore 391 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,680 Textod elected not to fund at this point in time 392 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,299 The sound walls again due to the financial constraints 393 00:19:28,299 --> 00:19:31,349 associated with may recall the project was roughly about a 394 00:19:31,349 --> 00:19:31,880 four point 395 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,400 four billion dollar project 396 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:37,720 in 2012 2013 dollars 397 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,869 They moved forward with the one point four they at one 398 00:19:40,869 --> 00:19:44,640 point four billion phase one project and they're 399 00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:48,289 Starting the process now as they get to the completion of 400 00:19:48,289 --> 00:19:50,279 phase one to look for funding 401 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:53,039 to initiate phase two 402 00:19:53,319 --> 00:19:56,559 so with that I've got John pollster who 403 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,039 worked with text odd as they 404 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,720 Developed and designed this particular project through Dent 405 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,680 on County who can speak to some 406 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,769 Detail if you wish on the establishment of the noise walls 407 00:20:11,769 --> 00:20:13,359 the environmental process 408 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,750 And and maybe the process forward if you have any questions 409 00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:19,920 , I can attempt to answer those over mr. 410 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,640 Polster so 411 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,180 If you would before we get into that we I have and I 412 00:20:26,180 --> 00:20:28,960 suppose our other council members here have 413 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,680 received some 414 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,000 emails from folks saying that 415 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,279 previous city attorney city engineer had had promised 416 00:20:40,519 --> 00:20:41,960 sound walls 417 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,960 along I 35 418 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,000 south 419 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,990 East I don't know the roads curving right there of North 420 00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:51,119 Texas Boulevard 421 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,160 basically to 422 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,160 Mitigate the sound in the neighborhood 423 00:20:58,079 --> 00:21:00,079 Kindle from those streets 424 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,839 south of I 35 in that area is that are those the sound 425 00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:07,240 walls that we're talking about that that were 426 00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:10,039 delayed because of 427 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,390 funding issues in phase one, I think what you're 428 00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:15,480 referencing. Yes, sir is the noise walls generally for the 429 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,509 Dina neighborhood and then on the other so that would be 430 00:21:18,509 --> 00:21:21,049 maybe the south south or west side of the interstate in 431 00:21:21,049 --> 00:21:23,319 that location from essentially 432 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:25,839 Kindle North Texas Boulevard south 433 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:28,839 Just south of McCormick Street 434 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,720 And then on the other side roughly 435 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:36,809 Just south of McCormick Street up to Collier Street on the 436 00:21:36,809 --> 00:21:40,859 other side, but those are those those two particular sound 437 00:21:40,859 --> 00:21:41,240 walls 438 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,380 Have been in question in terms of any promises made by a 439 00:21:45,380 --> 00:21:45,920 prior 440 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,480 City employee. I don't know that I've not seen any 441 00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:53,279 record of that and 442 00:21:53,799 --> 00:21:55,799 In addition to that, I don't know 443 00:21:56,279 --> 00:21:58,559 Where where the authority would be? 444 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,569 In terms of funding that from a city from a city initiative 445 00:22:03,569 --> 00:22:06,160 because it is a text up project text up funded 446 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:08,759 and so I 447 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,259 Don't you know, I think it was made clear from the very 448 00:22:11,259 --> 00:22:12,720 beginning. We've got some 449 00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:18,000 Had some communication with text on project manager on this 450 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:18,319 that 451 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,940 That no those those sound walls were never in phase one 452 00:22:21,940 --> 00:22:22,400 Okay 453 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,759 so we have we have 454 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:27,119 Email traffic between certain folks in those neighborhoods 455 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,170 and the text up project manager where before the project 456 00:22:30,170 --> 00:22:31,200 was constructed 457 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,650 They were informed that the sound walls would not be in 458 00:22:35,650 --> 00:22:37,880 that area part of phase one and 459 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:40,799 There were some back-and-forth 460 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,640 Reference and litigation and whatnot and they have a right 461 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,480 to do that during the environmental process 462 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,960 You have 180 days once the project is environmentally clear 463 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,700 to file suit if you don't agree with the 464 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,440 recommendations of the Federal Highway Administration 465 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,920 But one I want to point out is these sound walls were based 466 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,079 on 2035 mobility numbers 467 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:04,160 So that's what those noises noise walls were justified on 468 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,119 traffic that's going to be there in the future 469 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,279 So two things occurred that three one we didn't acquire the 470 00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:13,359 right away because we couldn't afford it to the state 471 00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:16,240 doesn't have to put in the sound walls until 472 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,079 the 473 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:20,759 Mobility year or when they construct the project whichever 474 00:23:20,759 --> 00:23:23,750 comes first in this case 2035 or when they build phase two 475 00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:24,920 the third thing is is the 476 00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:27,759 Walls were between the frontage roads and the main lanes 477 00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:30,599 We the state used to put the sound walls 478 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,400 along the right-of-way line 479 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,799 But the businesses started complaining that nobody knew 480 00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:38,279 they were there because they're on the frontage road side 481 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:41,690 All right, and the walls right between them and their 482 00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:43,019 people driving down the road 483 00:23:43,019 --> 00:23:45,019 so the state moved the walls to the 484 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,019 To between the main lanes and the frontage road because the 485 00:23:48,019 --> 00:23:50,299 sound walls are only mitigating the main lanes 486 00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:52,759 noise not the frontage roads 487 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,400 so we the 488 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,259 Determination was made that those walls were not warranted 489 00:23:58,259 --> 00:24:00,890 at this time because we're not moving the main lanes any 490 00:24:00,890 --> 00:24:01,359 closer 491 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,480 to the residents and 492 00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:09,900 The project was like Mark said about 4.4 billion dollars at 493 00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:11,599 the time when we started the project 494 00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:14,220 We only had about one point one and a half billion dollars 495 00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:16,079 to do the whole project. We ended up getting a 496 00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:18,599 Tiffy loan for the rest 497 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,640 Getting a what? 498 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,220 Federal loan for innovative financing to cover the rest of 499 00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:25,680 the 1.4 billion 500 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,400 Project because we only had about 1.1 501 00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:30,849 The estimated cost of the right-of-way for the entire 502 00:24:30,849 --> 00:24:34,079 quarter at the time was 1.1 billion dollars 503 00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:36,779 So our choice was go out and buy the right-of-way and not 504 00:24:36,779 --> 00:24:37,440 do anything 505 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,880 Or find a way to do an interim project with what we had 506 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,230 And so what the state decided and the stakeholders, which 507 00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:47,380 is the cities along the corridor in the county 508 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:50,440 That if you were impacted on phase one 509 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,519 That when they went to acquire your property 510 00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:55,720 They wouldn't just require what they needed for phase one 511 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,119 because they didn't want to come back seven years from now 512 00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:58,839 or eight years 513 00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:01,440 And by the rest of it if they touched you they went in 514 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,799 bought all that they needed for the ultimate 515 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,799 But then there was another group of folks that were 516 00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:08,160 complaining that they couldn't lease their buildings 517 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,130 Or they couldn't keep their tenants because phase two was 518 00:25:11,130 --> 00:25:11,960 hanging over them 519 00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:16,000 So the state and the county created a phase two voluntary 520 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,039 program where that if you were in phase two 521 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:21,599 And you weren't needed for phase one or touched by phase 522 00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:22,960 one. You could still be acquired 523 00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:27,920 If you so chose and so a lot of folks took up that offer 524 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,400 But it wasn't holistic so there's areas where we have the 525 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,519 right-of-way for phase two 526 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:35,829 But there's a large chunk of areas where we don't and so 527 00:25:35,829 --> 00:25:38,119 that's kind of where we got to where we're at 528 00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:40,319 No 529 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,269 Well regarding right-of-way I heard read in the newspaper, 530 00:25:44,269 --> 00:25:47,400 I'm not sure how accurate it is that there was a 531 00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:52,079 Scheme going on to to 532 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:55,119 acquire land that was going to be in the right-of-way 533 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,319 before people really knew about it at a lower price and 534 00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:02,000 Somebody got got convicted and there was a million dollar 535 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,759 fine. Does that fine? 536 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:06,279 Would that fine just go into the? 537 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,609 Justice system or does that go to text dot to help cover 538 00:26:10,609 --> 00:26:11,200 the cost? 539 00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:17,339 I'm unaware of where that money would go 540 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:21,519 I was very curious, but well, we have an attorney 541 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:25,750 Maybe she knows categorizes restitution according to what I 542 00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:27,319 read so it would be 543 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,119 allocated between the victims 544 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,000 Okay, I 545 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,839 Don't know. I don't know who the victims are in this 546 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,960 Seems like one of the victims was text. I write 547 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,430 But it is considered restitution from what I read. Okay. 548 00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:42,079 Thank you 549 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,009 Mr. Poulter do you have anything else on this topic? I 550 00:26:47,009 --> 00:26:49,900 think I said we have any any other staff members have any 551 00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:50,680 information to share 552 00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:55,240 Questions just for clarification. So on the on the area of 553 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,400 the Denny a neighborhood. There is not right-of-way already 554 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,440 or 555 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,359 There is there are some right-of-way right where we did the 556 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,640 traffic circle and all that stuff 557 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,220 We had to impact them for phase one, whatever we needed for 558 00:27:11,220 --> 00:27:11,720 phase two 559 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,910 We acquired but linearly along the the frontage roads north 560 00:27:15,910 --> 00:27:17,119 and south of there 561 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,240 The right away wasn't acquired 562 00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:23,200 And so when you look at the maps you're talking about 563 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,390 Like when it says noise wall to it's actually three 564 00:27:27,390 --> 00:27:29,480 different walls that go for 565 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,200 You know hundreds and hundreds of feet 566 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,940 And so the other problem you have if you try to build the 567 00:27:36,940 --> 00:27:39,380 frontage roads now is the frontage roads remember are going 568 00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:39,599 to be 569 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,640 Between the main lanes and the frontage roads 570 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,470 So if you build them where they need to be now because 571 00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:47,670 otherwise they'd be throwaway you would literally block off 572 00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:48,880 the frontage road 573 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,519 From the main lanes so nobody would be able to get from 574 00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:54,440 their house to the highway 575 00:27:55,839 --> 00:28:00,559 So so what you're saying is the plan for the future is that 576 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:01,440 when that road? 577 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,000 Is closer to the neighborhood those walls will be built to 578 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,880 protect them absolutely they are in the plan and they have 579 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,279 been environmentally cleared 580 00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:13,990 By the Federal Highway Administration, and if anybody tried 581 00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:15,240 not to build those walls 582 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,029 They'd have just as much trouble as if you tried to build 583 00:28:18,029 --> 00:28:18,839 them too early 584 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:21,920 You have to build them when the project is either 585 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,480 constructed or by 2035 whichever comes first 586 00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:29,029 And up until that point the traffic is not going to be 587 00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:30,599 closer to those homes 588 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,890 The main lanes are where they were all we did was widen out 589 00:28:33,890 --> 00:28:36,619 from the center because you'll notice what we did is we we 590 00:28:36,619 --> 00:28:37,039 came in 591 00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:42,619 To and we took out the median and then we just a little bit 592 00:28:42,619 --> 00:28:43,500 moved to the 593 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,519 To towards Dina, but it was inside the existing right away 594 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:48,799 that takes that currently had 595 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,960 Just wanted to make sure because it is very important for 596 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,839 us to protect our neighborhoods in those homes 597 00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:57,720 more so than say, you know some 598 00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:02,059 Buildings that may be on the opposite side of the street. 599 00:29:02,059 --> 00:29:04,240 So we university has a better 600 00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:07,799 Lobbyist than the state does so they made sure they got 601 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:11,240 their wall and it's in that wall was put there 602 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:13,829 Because there wasn't any room anywhere else to put it 603 00:29:13,829 --> 00:29:14,160 besides 604 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,700 Between the frontage road and the right-of-way line and 605 00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:19,369 since there wasn't any commercial property there. It didn't 606 00:29:19,369 --> 00:29:21,480 impact the adjacent property 607 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,839 So that was that kind of lent itself to being closer to the 608 00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,079 edge of the right away just for the design 609 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,319 issues that we were doing with 610 00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:31,319 Okay. Thank you 611 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:38,559 When the road the interstate seemed to be going below the 612 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,839 grade it would seem like a 613 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:46,680 Sound wall would be sort of like part of the 614 00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:50,799 Retaining wall system 615 00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:56,039 But where the road goes above grade like where the highway 616 00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:58,680 goes over a bridge over McCormick Street 617 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:04,180 Where does the wall go there right right along the side of 618 00:30:04,180 --> 00:30:05,140 the interstate 619 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,819 Typically, it'll go up on the structure. Okay 620 00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:12,599 But remember the McCormick bridge is a throwaway bridge. So 621 00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:14,400 that's not the actual the permanent bridge, right? 622 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,619 So that's why they didn't do them in that area if they're 623 00:30:17,619 --> 00:30:18,319 warranted 624 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:20,589 I don't know if they're wanted typically what happens at a 625 00:30:20,589 --> 00:30:23,200 cross street though is the approach road 626 00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:26,039 penetrates the wall 627 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:28,500 Right because if you have the wall go across the road, they 628 00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:29,359 sure get to the frontage road 629 00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:31,359 So once the wall is penetrated 630 00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:34,480 Then there's no mitigation because the wall the sound can 631 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,839 get around it. And so they go to the next 632 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:40,240 Benefited receptor and there's a lot in here. I know that 633 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,400 looks like there's a lot of a 634 00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:44,750 Lot of words in here for something as simple as what we're 635 00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:45,700 talking about 636 00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:48,650 But there's a lot of procedural processes that you have to 637 00:30:48,650 --> 00:30:50,890 follow the feds require you to follow because of 638 00:30:50,890 --> 00:30:52,039 environmental justice 639 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:54,039 They don't want somebody get more 640 00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:57,079 Environmental protection than others just because they have 641 00:30:57,079 --> 00:30:57,680 more money 642 00:30:58,359 --> 00:31:01,660 Right. So there's a there's a rigorous process that we have 643 00:31:01,660 --> 00:31:02,519 to go through 644 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,160 To put these walls where they go 645 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,339 And they does it all the time and part of the process is to 646 00:31:09,339 --> 00:31:11,799 make sure that they are effective in doing what they're 647 00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:12,160 intended 648 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,190 Yes reasonable and that's it's in there reasonable and 649 00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:18,359 feasible reasonable means that it will lower the sound 650 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,799 feasible means that it's 651 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:24,859 No more expensive than $25,000 for benefited receptor 652 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,789 So there may be 70 people out there, but the noise analysis 653 00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:31,400 only shows that 13 are benefited by wall 654 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,710 So if it costs more than 13 times $25,000, even though it's 655 00:31:35,710 --> 00:31:36,920 warranted, right? 656 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,130 From a noise abatement standpoint, it's not feasible from a 657 00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:42,720 constructability standpoint. They won't build it 658 00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:47,920 Well, I had a question but on that note 659 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,569 So if it's not feasible, is there a point where a city can 660 00:31:52,569 --> 00:31:55,400 come in and help make up that difference if it's warranted? 661 00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:57,960 You can work with them. No, okay 662 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,710 You can do something off text that right away, right on 663 00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:01,319 your own 664 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,680 You the feds can't allow somebody to buy more 665 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,430 Environmental protection and heat in this region than they 666 00:32:08,430 --> 00:32:09,480 can in others. It's 667 00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:12,960 it was back in the 50s and 60s when 668 00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:15,519 governments and 669 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:18,160 Jurisdictions used highway projects to redevelop 670 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,839 Low income areas by washing them 671 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,930 so there's there's a there's a lot of laws that preclude us 672 00:32:28,930 --> 00:32:29,160 from 673 00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:32,839 Allowing some entity to get 674 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,400 to pay their way into more 675 00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:37,319 protection 676 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:38,720 Okay 677 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,240 So you can do whatever you want off text that right away 678 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,750 Which is in a lot of people use the sound walls and fire 679 00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:44,960 mountain as an example 680 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:47,779 But all those walls that you see out there that are fancy 681 00:32:47,779 --> 00:32:50,690 neat cool and whatever those are off text that right away 682 00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:51,559 and paid for by 683 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,880 the town of Flaramount 684 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,299 So earlier you meant you said something about that the 685 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:01,960 there is a 686 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,519 Chance for someone to file a lawsuit or to do litigation 687 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:07,920 after the environmental clearance 688 00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:13,880 For 180 days. Yes, ma'am. So on this project, how many days 689 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,880 ago was the environmental? 690 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,279 2012 oh 691 00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:19,400 Okay 692 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,049 All right. Thank you. It's actually 2011 and then they did 693 00:33:23,049 --> 00:33:24,440 a reval in 2012 694 00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:28,680 All right. Thanks. Yes, ma'am. Well for phase two 695 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,920 environmental clearance. I'm sorry phase 696 00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:34,079 What's the 2024 plan? 697 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,319 So that the second part of I 35 that's phase two phase two 698 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,279 That environmental clearance and I'm talking about is phase 699 00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:44,000 two. It's the ultimate 700 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,500 So everything that's ever going to be built down 35 701 00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:50,950 So for example if the state was to drop come in and say we 702 00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:54,240 just got six hundred million dollars extra money 703 00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:56,519 But we got to spend it in 12 months 704 00:33:56,519 --> 00:33:58,569 We got to find something that's already environmentally 705 00:33:58,569 --> 00:33:59,519 cleared the right of ways 706 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,490 Generally already acquired or can be acquired. There's 707 00:34:02,490 --> 00:34:03,319 really out there 708 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,480 chunks of 35 that weren't built in phase one are 709 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,500 Eligible for those funding because the entire corridor 30 710 00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:11,599 mile corridor is environmentally cleared 711 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,360 So it's ready to go to that next step, which is acquisition 712 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,840 if you need to and then construction 713 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,670 So it's already cleared the the walls are in the braided 714 00:34:21,670 --> 00:34:24,639 ramp for red developments in the 715 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,369 The additional managed lanes coming north from the lake all 716 00:34:28,369 --> 00:34:31,000 the way around to the wishbone up to 380 717 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,880 That's already in it's already been environmentally clear. 718 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,119 We're just building pieces of it now as we go along 719 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,440 So really the only way at this point to get a sound wall is 720 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,079 to use 721 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,599 To be off of state right-of-way to be using city right-of- 722 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:49,900 way acquired city right-of-way and city funded 723 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,320 And it'd be right on those people's 724 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,489 Right on the property line and in a wall to work in that 725 00:34:57,489 --> 00:35:00,079 area to have to be I think some of these are 14 726 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:01,000 feet tall 727 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,159 Okay 728 00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:04,159 Thank you 729 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,250 But that's just if they wanted to do something right now, 730 00:35:07,250 --> 00:35:07,880 right? 731 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,940 Correct later in the future later. They got them gotcha. 732 00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:14,639 Thank you when they're impacted, right? 733 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,119 Anything else on this item 734 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,159 All right, then we will go to item 735 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,190 D which is receiver report hold a discussion provide 736 00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:31,280 direction regarding text 737 00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:34,739 Text the Department of Transportation on system projects in 738 00:35:34,739 --> 00:35:38,719 the area including the 35 Express project. Are we gonna 739 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:38,920 have 740 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,840 Slides like we normally do here 741 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,719 I don't have that. Can you? 742 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,679 It would be nice to be able to follow on the screen mr. 743 00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:58,980 Chiu what I will ask is for this particular item. I'll have 744 00:35:58,980 --> 00:35:59,800 mr. Polster 745 00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:02,519 facilitate that 746 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,440 John polster is such a retiring and reserved person that 747 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,840 just shy in general 748 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,960 I 749 00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:52,159 That was interesting 750 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,360 Miss Anderson what? 751 00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:02,239 lifesaver you are 752 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,590 Maybe that's right. I don't know why it's all great out 753 00:37:04,590 --> 00:37:05,719 though. That's weird 754 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,920 That's sort of my world 755 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,800 Everything great out 756 00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:21,159 Yeah 757 00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:42,079 It's waiting to load 758 00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,159 Oh 759 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,360 That's just text there we go 760 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,840 Okay, so the first project you have 761 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,519 there 762 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:27,800 Is 2181 and we just had a meeting yesterday 763 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,139 This project was let for those of you that haven't been 764 00:38:31,139 --> 00:38:33,119 tracking this was let 765 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:38,289 In July 11th to a company called MCM contractors. We are 766 00:38:38,289 --> 00:38:39,880 still in the process of 767 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,719 establishing a 768 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,230 Pre-construction meeting with those that firm we think it 769 00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:47,719 'll probably be sometime in September and 770 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,440 as part of the kickoff meeting for the 771 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,840 Pre-construction project the city will be included in that 772 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,170 Meeting as well as probably the school district since they 773 00:38:58,170 --> 00:39:01,340 have some issues that we're dealing with and on that note 774 00:39:01,340 --> 00:39:01,880 pre Tim 775 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,880 and I met with yesterday with 776 00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:07,079 School district and text that 777 00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:11,349 related to the signal issues at the high school at Geyer 778 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:12,159 for both the 779 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,000 old-alton at the south end plus the 780 00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:22,909 Crest view Creek view Creek view up to old old Alton other 781 00:39:22,909 --> 00:39:24,179 old Alton 782 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,610 And we worked out the logistics essentially the school 783 00:39:28,610 --> 00:39:32,889 district is going to provide some design work to us for 784 00:39:32,889 --> 00:39:33,360 some 785 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,679 interim 786 00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:38,980 Signals because their schools probably going to open under 787 00:39:38,980 --> 00:39:40,559 the new configuration before 788 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,639 2181 is completed 789 00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:45,940 So the state agreed to go ahead and do temporary signals 790 00:39:45,940 --> 00:39:48,760 and those locations and then the county will be 791 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,000 working with tech stock to include the permanent 792 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,920 signal locations for 793 00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:57,679 the new Geyer 794 00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,960 signal in on the north side and then 795 00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:02,679 pre-tem is submitted a 796 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,360 signal warrant request to the state for a 797 00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:09,070 Signal at sundown as well and if we we get those warranted 798 00:40:09,070 --> 00:40:10,079 in the state of Prusum 799 00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:13,260 Then we'll include that into the project as well. Mr. Chair 800 00:40:13,260 --> 00:40:15,880 sundown is right there by the South Branch Library 801 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,760 So I just keep moving until you tell me to stop 802 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,480 And 803 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,179 Committee members have a question. I'll be staring up there 804 00:40:26,179 --> 00:40:27,159 . So just speak out 805 00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:31,429 Okay, so you'll note that most of the utilities on this 806 00:40:31,429 --> 00:40:33,619 project are pretty much complete 807 00:40:33,619 --> 00:40:36,739 And so there's a little bit work left to do with grande and 808 00:40:36,739 --> 00:40:39,739 the city of Denton's work is done inside the cost of the 809 00:40:39,739 --> 00:40:40,320 project 810 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,039 So MCM will be doing the city of Denton's water wastewater 811 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,139 Improvement so we should have a fairly clean project once 812 00:40:46,139 --> 00:40:46,760 they start 813 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,179 Our next project is called Fort Worth Drive 814 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,760 This is the project from basically 35 down to 1830 815 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,000 We've been working on this for quite a bit of time. The 816 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,300 project is fully funded and viral declared the right away 817 00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:01,880 is acquired 818 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,090 All the utilities are either under under relocation or will 819 00:41:08,090 --> 00:41:11,280 be relocated and we are working with the right now 820 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,800 The Union Pacific Railroad and I'll get down to that 821 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,829 Note here and the yellow part right here is the critical 822 00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:18,199 path 823 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,059 And we basically had to come to Jesus meeting with the UPRR 824 00:41:23,059 --> 00:41:24,280 back in August 825 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,199 They agreed to a path forward 826 00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:30,559 They lent us a gentleman that they used to review our plans 827 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:33,840 to actually review our plans before we submit our plans 828 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,960 So that we don't get 161 comments back 30 days later 829 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,590 So we feel like this September 15th submission that we're 830 00:41:42,590 --> 00:41:44,199 making or we made actually 831 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,210 To UP is going to get us to a point where we'll have the 832 00:41:49,210 --> 00:41:50,840 exhibit a which is what we need from the 833 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,789 Railroad in order to have permission to let the project 834 00:41:54,789 --> 00:41:55,599 right now 835 00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,300 You'll see that we have a the ready to let is November 2017 836 00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:02,280 . That's when we think we'll have the exhibit a 837 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,219 It can let any time we get it that exhibit a done because 838 00:42:07,219 --> 00:42:09,760 again all the right away and most of the utilities are done 839 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,760 and so we're shooting for 840 00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:15,780 Letting it as quickly as possible once we get the exhibit a 841 00:42:15,780 --> 00:42:16,000 so 842 00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:19,679 Hold your fingers crossed on UP 843 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,039 Working with us on that after nine years and this is like 844 00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,519 all of the projects that you're sharing our text up 845 00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:26,079 projects 846 00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:28,239 These are on system text that state 847 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,760 These are just projects that the city and the county are 848 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,590 partnering and participating with the state to get them 849 00:42:35,590 --> 00:42:37,780 across the finish line and they all impact 850 00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:41,000 folks that travel through and in 851 00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:44,440 Denton but but state law gives a lot of 852 00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:52,219 Authority to railroads no, sir. The railroads got their 853 00:42:52,219 --> 00:42:53,639 authority from the feds 854 00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:56,760 They were here before there was a state and so they 855 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,159 We get our permission from them got it 856 00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:05,119 Yeah, you have to have a visa actually to cross over the 857 00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:05,440 railroad 858 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,130 On staying any time yes on this particular project do we 859 00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:13,360 have 860 00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:17,789 Any control over where the construction would start by the 861 00:43:17,789 --> 00:43:18,579 contractor? 862 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:21,960 particularly we're interested at the Hobson 863 00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:24,960 1830 and 377 intersection 864 00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:28,230 Okay, that's a good point. I'll bring some of that some 865 00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:29,239 stuff up on that as well 866 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,219 The answer is is Jay limits you see there's a text that 867 00:43:32,219 --> 00:43:33,460 construction project manager 868 00:43:33,460 --> 00:43:37,670 We are working with Lochner on that on a phased 869 00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:38,360 construction 870 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,369 So basically what we need to do is that our next task force 871 00:43:41,369 --> 00:43:41,980 meeting? 872 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,480 Bring that up and see what we can do to look at what they 873 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,480 're what does the state is going to propose a phased? 874 00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:51,699 Approach to the project the contract will come back and 875 00:43:51,699 --> 00:43:52,079 propose 876 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:54,079 their own and 877 00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:56,440 That'll be part of the pre-construction meeting and again 878 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,760 at that point when that pre-construction meeting comes in 879 00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,800 we'll make sure the city is 880 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,159 At the table as a stakeholder 881 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,480 But we did include some additional improvements in this 882 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,000 project interim to the Hobson 1830 connection 883 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,320 Because we noted that there was a bottleneck that was there 884 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,639 that wasn't going to be addressed by the 377 job 885 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,000 So that was brought up to our attention by your city staff 886 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,260 that there is a problem there and so the state agreed to 887 00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:24,159 look at it they found a way to 888 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,280 To make some improvements to add basically a left turn lane 889 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,920 on 1830 for the Hobson folks 890 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,260 So those the people travel in 1830 can continue on down 18 891 00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:34,599 30 892 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,800 Without violating our environmental clearance. So where we 893 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,329 added some additional work to try to solve that in the 894 00:44:41,329 --> 00:44:41,800 interim 895 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,360 There's an ultimate project on 1830 that's coming. It'll 896 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,880 fix it in its more permanent 897 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,440 Configuration at that time 898 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,110 And again, this project is fully funded and it'll be let as 899 00:44:54,110 --> 00:44:54,639 soon as 900 00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:58,989 As soon as we get our exhibit a from the UP, so this is a 901 00:44:58,989 --> 00:45:00,840 utility status again 902 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,599 We think we're very close to having everything done within 903 00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:07,380 the next two months the city of Dittons utilities on this 904 00:45:07,380 --> 00:45:09,760 project are included as well 905 00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:15,329 And so they will be part of whatever the contractor is 906 00:45:15,329 --> 00:45:18,440 selected will be responsible for working with the city to 907 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,960 install their utilities 908 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,519 This is 2499 second 909 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,980 It's a charter communications and it says dependent upon DM 910 00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:29,079 E 911 00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:32,559 So what happens is is charter co locates on DME poles? 912 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,170 So once DME is done and about 25 days later charters done 913 00:45:37,170 --> 00:45:39,679 because they come in and hang their stuff on DME's poles 914 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,530 So once DME gets done, they pop on okay, that says 915 00:45:44,530 --> 00:45:45,920 September 2017 916 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,400 So you said we're pretty on track with those being we meet 917 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,880 with these guys 918 00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:55,059 On this particular project we meet every two two and a half 919 00:45:55,059 --> 00:45:55,559 weeks 920 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,559 And so we're staying on top of the the utilities 921 00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:01,840 We have the utility coordinator from the Dallas district 922 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,420 the utility coordinator from the dictionary office and the 923 00:46:04,420 --> 00:46:06,199 DME folks are usually in the meeting 924 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,679 Okay when we're we're meeting so we're we're actively 925 00:46:11,199 --> 00:46:15,000 Tracking this project and is it mainly DME there there's no 926 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,230 No, they're doing so the water lines have already been done 927 00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:19,199 . No the water 928 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,019 The there was some part of the water line thing at 377. It 929 00:46:23,019 --> 00:46:24,920 was this one or this is not a surface probe 930 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,239 Can't touch the screen 931 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,800 Yeah, right there it says didn't waste 932 00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:40,519 What do you see the Denton it's two lines below didn't mean 933 00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:42,880 this full electric 934 00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:46,199 City didn't what all right. So all this stuff has been 935 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,389 It says are completed and will be included in construction 936 00:46:49,389 --> 00:46:51,400 plans plans were submitted to text out 937 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,809 So in other words who ever bids on the 377 job, they're 938 00:46:55,809 --> 00:46:59,199 also bidding on the city of Denton's water wastewater and 939 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,760 I 940 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,289 Can't remember one of these we did a fixed cost and the 941 00:47:05,289 --> 00:47:07,619 other one we did a fixed cost after 942 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,039 The contractor comes in and says this is what it costs 943 00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:14,650 So we tried to give the city as much protection as we could 944 00:47:14,650 --> 00:47:17,360 from a contractor trying to jerk you around 945 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,900 Anything else that I don't answer that I did it. Thank you. 946 00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:23,960 I 947 00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:27,840 Don't feel like I did and just for the benefit of people 948 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,079 who are who are maybe watching this live streaming. Mr 949 00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:33,079 Polster is a consultant 950 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,920 for the city of Denton 951 00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,119 and he represents us in 952 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,309 work with text dot and with the North Central Texas Council 953 00:47:43,309 --> 00:47:47,199 of Governments and so when he's talking and what and 954 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,840 the county he's also 955 00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:52,869 Has a separate contract with the county. So most of the 956 00:47:52,869 --> 00:47:57,039 folks here basically inherited me from previous cycles 957 00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:04,280 Okay, 2499 section a redheaded stepchild, right? 958 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,440 Always gives the last 30 days 959 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,840 2499 section 5 is a section that goes from 2181 to 960 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,869 Mayhill State School Road if you look at it, it's driving 961 00:48:18,869 --> 00:48:19,599 me crazy 962 00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:22,619 I can cross Robinson that road is there ready to go 963 00:48:22,619 --> 00:48:24,599 They're just doing a bunch of punch-out items and the 964 00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:26,360 things that's controlling the project right now 965 00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:29,670 That moved it to a December is that at that little section 966 00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:31,519 up in the north where it's blue 967 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,500 That's the tie-in to 35 where we have a GL doing their work 968 00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:37,280 on 35 969 00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:43,500 OHL doing the u-turn for the Brinker Mayhill 288 and Weber 970 00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:46,840 trying to tie in and locate the signals of that location 971 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,840 So we're having some conflicts 972 00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:52,110 Between the three contractors in that one area and that's 973 00:48:52,110 --> 00:48:52,800 slowing up 974 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,050 The completion of the project. So if you look at the 975 00:48:56,050 --> 00:48:57,440 construction report 976 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,760 We're essentially doing finish up paving 977 00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:08,980 We were supposed to be done in September and all the hards 978 00:49:08,980 --> 00:49:12,320 cape will be done in September. It's the 979 00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:18,949 It's the work with the signal and the tie-in to the front 980 00:49:18,949 --> 00:49:20,000 age road and 981 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,960 They can't tie in the signals because the signal pole where 982 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,880 it is now on the inside 983 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,260 On the inside the frontage road. That's where the u-turn is 984 00:49:31,260 --> 00:49:31,719 going to be 985 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,639 so OHL has got to do their work on them on the u-turn 986 00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:39,119 before whoever can tie into that signal system and 987 00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:41,119 they're not going to go to the 988 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,679 To the you can correct me if I'm wrong 989 00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:47,500 They're not going to go to that until they get the water 990 00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:49,239 line up here for Brinker 991 00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:51,800 Done, and I think they're behind schedule on that and I 992 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,559 think pre-ten wanted to say something 993 00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:56,679 I wanted to say something about the Robinson signal 994 00:49:57,199 --> 00:49:59,199 Yeah, 2499 and 995 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,989 It's a it's a blessing probably just for the delay because 996 00:50:03,989 --> 00:50:04,860 now we can actually 997 00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:08,679 Put in a signal at Robinson. So here's where he's talking 998 00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:11,760 about that was not included in this as part of this project 999 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,949 And it would have been if we open up 2499 without that 1000 00:50:15,949 --> 00:50:17,039 signal it would be 1001 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,670 Especially will especially with all the schools being on 1002 00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:23,599 this side 1003 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,840 And that's budgeted and the 1004 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,010 So what we did was is that's the timing issue as long as we 1005 00:50:34,010 --> 00:50:35,920 can get it done for where was completed 1006 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,619 What the state has agreed to do is if the city will just 1007 00:50:38,619 --> 00:50:40,719 provide them with the design 1008 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,349 The state will just change order into the Weber contract 1009 00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:46,260 and where we'll just do it 1010 00:50:46,260 --> 00:50:48,559 so it won't cost this city anything to add to 1011 00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:51,239 The signal to the Robinson because it probably should have 1012 00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,920 been picked up anyway. Where are we at the design? So 1013 00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,719 What we are done is we're working with text out and 1014 00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,119 providing them step by step phase design if you may 1015 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,789 Not not to wait the whole stretch of four or five weeks 1016 00:51:03,789 --> 00:51:06,219 that are needed to complete the entire design 1017 00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:09,679 But to give them we've already submitted 60% right? 1018 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,840 Located all the pole locations, which is like the main 1019 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,110 thing is getting the poles located poles located and then 1020 00:51:17,110 --> 00:51:18,000 order the poles 1021 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,239 We could it's a lead item that takes weeks 1022 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,510 So once we have that then we can work around smaller stuff. 1023 00:51:24,510 --> 00:51:26,239 So what he's saying is we're doing this these steps 1024 00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:26,679 concurrently 1025 00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:30,000 Where we're not waiting to get all of those stuff done as 1026 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,480 we get a piece done. We turn it in they take care 1027 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,480 We get a piece done. We turn it and they take care of it 1028 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,719 Sounds very unengineering 1029 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:46,320 So on the the signal so text dot is paying for that and the 1030 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,840 city is just providing the design 1031 00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:55,380 Okay, and the design was budgeted for seven sixteen seven. 1032 00:51:55,380 --> 00:51:57,920 Okay, and in the process so 1033 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,309 The signal at Robinson will be up and the road will be open 1034 00:52:02,309 --> 00:52:04,559 in December at the same time 1035 00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:07,119 everything so 1036 00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:10,840 Tina masses your new area engineer and she is 1037 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,039 Moving these things in a nonlinear way 1038 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,769 Because she doesn't want to open 2499 without that Robinson 1039 00:52:19,769 --> 00:52:23,119 signal active and she's not going to hold the road 1040 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,340 Right just because the signals aren't open. So we're moving 1041 00:52:26,340 --> 00:52:28,440 heaven and earth to make sure those two 1042 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,400 schedules G and on 1043 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,159 pre-tems, right 1044 00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:35,480 OHL and a gel have helped us out on that by 1045 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,400 jerking us around up there the signal on mail 1046 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,440 At the at the light one other thing I want to point out 1047 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,550 Just you're gonna probably get calls from folks. I believe 1048 00:52:47,550 --> 00:52:48,280 y'all have 1049 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:50,800 part of 1050 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,460 Robinson east of 2499 for a distance I think 1051 00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:58,340 Little ways it goes what you're gonna have is it goes four 1052 00:52:58,340 --> 00:52:59,960 lanes back down to two lanes 1053 00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:03,539 And then opens back up to four lanes where it crosses 2499 1054 00:53:03,539 --> 00:53:05,679 and then drops back down to its 1055 00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:10,389 Meandering configuration as it goes west and the reason 1056 00:53:10,389 --> 00:53:11,159 that was 1057 00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:15,349 Text that can only go so many feet past an intersection by 1058 00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:17,800 law and it didn't reach that 1059 00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,400 200 300 400 feet additional 1060 00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:23,199 so it goes four to 1061 00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:25,599 four to 1062 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,159 in that area, so I'm certain somebody's gonna get called 1063 00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:30,280 stupid over that but 1064 00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:33,800 As long as it's not me I'm okay with it 1065 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,840 They always call us to be 1066 00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:41,130 Yeah, so can I follow up on that or not the stupid thing or 1067 00:53:41,130 --> 00:53:42,119 not that part? 1068 00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:46,400 No, so in a situation like that would it be where the city 1069 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,559 comes in after to you? 1070 00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:51,860 They could fix that or in the right away is there you can 1071 00:53:51,860 --> 00:53:54,360 tell that y'all done y'all required 1072 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,280 setbacks and y'all required 1073 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,860 Certain requirements that once something develops they have 1074 00:54:01,860 --> 00:54:03,889 build the rest of that road you can tell that's what's 1075 00:54:03,889 --> 00:54:04,300 going on 1076 00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:07,519 If that that northern part just hasn't been triggered yet 1077 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,210 But yeah, you can see that it's the right that's there. It 1078 00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:13,239 's ready to be putting a road on 1079 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,010 So mr. Nelson on our next agenda if you could bring us an 1080 00:54:17,010 --> 00:54:17,599 update on 1081 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:24,199 If Robinson Road in that area is on any of the CIP plans or 1082 00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:25,880 our mobility plans 1083 00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:30,800 So we could get an idea as to what's going on there 1084 00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:36,519 You know that's in the south part of town so so it's 1085 00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:38,860 somebody else it's an idiot, you know, maybe that 1086 00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:45,050 No, it's it's all the record I said stupid not idiot. Oh, I 1087 00:54:45,050 --> 00:54:47,440 think you're not supposed to call people idiots 1088 00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:49,760 Well, I get called stupid idiot 1089 00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:54,289 Because one's never enough for me, okay, this is a new 1090 00:54:54,289 --> 00:54:56,940 project that y'all haven't seen and it kind of falls in 1091 00:54:56,940 --> 00:54:57,920 that stupid idiot 1092 00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:03,119 On 1093 00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:05,119 35 right? 1094 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,150 You know remember it was 2012 it was environmentally clear, 1095 00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:12,139 right? So we weren't really confident it took us 1096 00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:18,170 Three tries to get 2499 65 environmentally cleared years 1097 00:55:18,170 --> 00:55:21,059 ago. And so we weren't really confident. It's a schedule 1098 00:55:21,059 --> 00:55:21,239 and 1099 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,050 Weren't really sure what was going on with Mayhill all the 1100 00:55:24,050 --> 00:55:25,960 way knew that there was funding for it 1101 00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:30,519 So Mayhill bridge on 35 was just left as is all we did was 1102 00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:33,099 scab on to the inside and the outside to make the bridge 1103 00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:36,619 Wide enough for the lanes to go across the top now. You've 1104 00:55:36,619 --> 00:55:37,320 got the substandard 1105 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,650 Substructure with six lanes coming to the south. They'll 1106 00:55:40,650 --> 00:55:43,980 open in December. We're working on Mayhill even as we speak 1107 00:55:43,980 --> 00:55:45,039 to bring four lanes 1108 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,099 Down which four lanes already exist in this area 1109 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,920 and so we met with 1110 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,159 text-dot and 1111 00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:56,159 we have the 1112 00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:58,199 35 he has about 1113 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,920 361 million dollars in cat to funding earmark for phase two 1114 00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,619 For the next 10 year period and kept to funding category 1115 00:56:06,619 --> 00:56:08,159 two is federal 1116 00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:11,360 funding that the metropolitan organization 1117 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,159 NPO allocates so it's the RTC's money and 1118 00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:19,199 the RTC allocated 1119 00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:23,840 361 million dollars of those federal dollars to I 35 for 1120 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:29,840 Phase two or phase 1b or phase whatever it ends up being 1121 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,920 And so when we met with text that we said look we want to 1122 00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,960 go ahead and start the advanced planning on Mayhill 1123 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,239 Because we've got six lanes coming from the south four 1124 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,590 lanes coming from the north and we want to build the 1125 00:56:43,590 --> 00:56:44,539 ultimate Mayhill 1126 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,219 Underpass like we're doing it 288. So the 288 section under 1127 00:56:49,219 --> 00:56:51,800 35 will be its ultimate configuration 1128 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:56,070 35 on top of it will be the interim but the underneath part 1129 00:56:56,070 --> 00:56:56,980 will be ultimate 1130 00:56:56,980 --> 00:56:59,519 So that's what we're proposing to do here Mayhill they've 1131 00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:00,019 agreed 1132 00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:03,559 And from the time that this document was printed 1133 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:06,920 We found out that they're probably going to assign 1134 00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:10,980 Ltra to be the engineering firm to do the work and remember 1135 00:57:10,980 --> 00:57:12,920 this projects already environmentally cleared 1136 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,800 we're jumping right into the PS&E the design work and 1137 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,159 So a lot of hard heavy lifting has already done on this job 1138 00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:23,840 so this is a new one that we're going to start tracking for 1139 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:24,280 you and 1140 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,920 we've got asterisks in the 1141 00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:29,960 in the document 1142 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,199 the 1143 00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:33,199 environmental clearance will be changed to the 1144 00:57:33,199 --> 00:57:34,320 environmental clearance for 1145 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,039 Ultimate and then text that will put it in there what they 1146 00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:38,719 call their sandbox 1147 00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:40,039 I don't want to call it sandbox 1148 00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:41,969 That's what they call it and then they'll give me a 1149 00:57:41,969 --> 00:57:44,250 schedule for that and then we'll tweak it as we move 1150 00:57:44,250 --> 00:57:44,559 forward 1151 00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:46,360 But we can beat it 1152 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,250 They're going to give us an estimate with how long they 1153 00:57:48,250 --> 00:57:49,840 think it'll take but we can move that 1154 00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:52,409 Schedule along as quickly as we can move that schedule 1155 00:57:52,409 --> 00:57:56,079 along. So what I understood you say is that there's some 1156 00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:57,400 category two funding 1157 00:57:58,159 --> 00:58:02,480 That's associated with 35 project that might be available 1158 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,239 to make that happen. Absolutely 1159 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,440 and that that money is actually 1160 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,630 allocated by the regional transportation council, which is 1161 00:58:11,630 --> 00:58:12,400 part of the 1162 00:58:14,239 --> 00:58:16,719 North Central Texas Council of Governments and we have a 1163 00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:17,960 representative on there, right? 1164 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,420 Correct and the 361 million dollars has already been 1165 00:58:21,420 --> 00:58:24,400 allocated to I-35e and Denton County 1166 00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:29,119 There has not been any plan yet because 1167 00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:32,269 We're still arguing with center over the cost of what the 1168 00:58:32,269 --> 00:58:34,219 revenue stream is off on the wishbone 1169 00:58:34,219 --> 00:58:36,579 We're still waiting for the managed lanes to stabilize and 1170 00:58:36,579 --> 00:58:38,980 what our revenue streams going to be so there's we haven't 1171 00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:40,500 really thought through it yet 1172 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,500 It's going to be difficult to make additional improvements 1173 00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:45,760 in the south because those are all temporary 1174 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,650 Throwaways and the only way to go to the next phase is to 1175 00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:51,329 tear out everything we just built and nobody wants to do 1176 00:58:51,329 --> 00:58:51,599 that 1177 00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:54,159 yet 1178 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,699 So there was a lot of things we skipped over for lack of a 1179 00:58:57,699 --> 00:58:58,400 better word 1180 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,920 North of the lake and so this will be a chance for us to 1181 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,420 come back in and for example 1182 00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:07,550 We bought the right away on the red development the state 1183 00:59:07,550 --> 00:59:10,679 did so they purchased that right away 1184 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,929 That part is already environmentally cleared. So there's a 1185 00:59:13,929 --> 00:59:16,960 lot of desire to make the improvements on 35 1186 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,889 35 where the W&E come together because that's your next 1187 00:59:20,889 --> 00:59:23,920 bottleneck in the city of Denton is that area over there 1188 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,599 So we're looking at making improvements over there. So we 1189 00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:27,159 'll be doing these 1190 00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:29,719 spot improvements on 1191 00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:33,710 35 e in the interim while we're waiting on what the next 1192 00:59:33,710 --> 00:59:36,760 phase of 35 will be and we already got May Hill 1193 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,360 In the hopper, okay 1194 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,860 I guess I'll start doing these as a PowerPoint next time 1195 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,000 Okay, this is your 1196 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,760 Luke 288 Brinker May Hill project 1197 00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:00,599 The 1198 01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:04,469 Utilities by utilities the only utility that's left to be 1199 01:00:04,469 --> 01:00:06,920 relocated right now is the the city 1200 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,719 Waterline out there and they're saying they're gonna have 1201 01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:11,900 that completed by 1202 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,460 September let me go look at the utility report real quick 1203 01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:19,949 Hopefully it's on here. No, so it's up here. So that's the 1204 01:00:19,949 --> 01:00:24,000 only utility that's left is the waterline relocation 1205 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,710 So when it says September we're anticipating having the 1206 01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:27,920 city's waterline done 1207 01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,360 By September 1208 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,219 And we're looking at you okay, so we're showing you that 1209 01:00:35,219 --> 01:00:38,519 there's a highlighted change in the schedule 1210 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,639 Until the OHL gets done with the waterline 1211 01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:47,039 They've submitted a contract 1212 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,199 schedule change for this project that says they're going 1213 01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:50,519 from 1214 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,619 August of 18 completion to February 19. Obviously that's a 1215 01:00:55,619 --> 01:00:59,320 problem for the city with the adjacent development 1216 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,719 Textile is not accepted the February 2019 1217 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,440 Extension they have to negotiate that 1218 01:01:08,159 --> 01:01:10,289 they're waiting till the water utility line gets done 1219 01:01:10,289 --> 01:01:13,239 because that was kind of the basis of the 1220 01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:17,079 conflict or the delay in a project was the some issues with 1221 01:01:17,079 --> 01:01:18,360 the waterline and 1222 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,440 We have asked them for what's called a recovery schedule 1223 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,980 Which means we want them to tell us what they need to do or 1224 01:01:24,980 --> 01:01:28,480 could do to recover back to the August 1225 01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:31,239 timeframe 1226 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,639 So we're reporting February because that's out there and 1227 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,219 In at their world or whatever you call it and we don't want 1228 01:01:40,219 --> 01:01:42,280 people saying we're lying to them 1229 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,280 So it's February is what? 1230 01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,619 OHL is saying but textile is not accepted that schedule yet 1231 01:01:48,619 --> 01:01:51,199 . And so we're working on it. Okay 1232 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,780 So are you you're talking about the the connection to the 1233 01:01:55,780 --> 01:01:57,199 other side to Bucky's 1234 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,840 Adjacent development 1235 01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:03,320 The 1236 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,239 Bucky's development is anticipating being open somewhere in 1237 01:02:07,239 --> 01:02:10,039 the August September of 18 timeframe, right? 1238 01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:14,980 The road won't be done by them according to OHL and what I 1239 01:02:14,980 --> 01:02:16,000 mean by not done 1240 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,730 It isn't the brink of bridge will be there. All right, you 1241 01:02:18,730 --> 01:02:20,159 'll be able to go from brinker 1242 01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:24,480 East to brinker west or whatever you want to call it to get 1243 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:24,760 to 1244 01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:29,409 To the development what you won't be able to do is exit 1245 01:02:29,409 --> 01:02:31,539 from northbound 35 1246 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:33,480 to 1247 01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,869 This location because 288 bridge won't be completed which 1248 01:02:36,869 --> 01:02:38,880 means that the exit ramp won't be open 1249 01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:42,880 So you could get from one side of rinker to the other great 1250 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,840 by the date by the August date 1251 01:02:46,639 --> 01:02:50,539 Potentially, so OHL still has control over when they allow 1252 01:02:50,539 --> 01:02:53,360 part of their project open if it's not open 1253 01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:57,039 If it's not completely constructed. So for example, you see 1254 01:02:57,039 --> 01:02:57,920 2499 1255 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,219 It's essentially open ready to drive on but they're doing 1256 01:03:01,219 --> 01:03:03,400 cleanup and it's still closed. So 1257 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,360 We got to work on that on the recovery schedule 1258 01:03:06,639 --> 01:03:09,809 Yeah before they open something needs to give because the 1259 01:03:09,809 --> 01:03:13,119 way that it is right now is just not not gonna work. So 1260 01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:16,119 It's an underpass correct? 1261 01:03:16,119 --> 01:03:19,920 Yes, ma'am. 35 will go up if you drive the if you're 1262 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,400 driving southbound from 288, you'll see that 1263 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:23,960 35 1264 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,170 Past southbound 288 drops. So essentially all that we're 1265 01:03:28,170 --> 01:03:29,539 gonna do is hold that grade 1266 01:03:30,159 --> 01:03:32,159 For a longer distance before let it drop 1267 01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:35,699 Do with with Phil and then build a bridge structure for a r 1268 01:03:35,699 --> 01:03:36,480 ink it across 1269 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,400 So it's there's potential for that 1270 01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:44,320 Development to be open in the road not 1271 01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:48,880 Willing to accept extra traffic for an extra seven months 1272 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,199 or so six months 1273 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,440 Can I quote you on that? 1274 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,099 I'm at the question for the people listening who live in 1275 01:03:58,099 --> 01:03:59,559 the right. So that's the problem 1276 01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:03,960 That's okay is that we know that there we don't know if the 1277 01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,239 development will choose to not open 1278 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,400 given what we experienced with them at 1279 01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:14,010 the ten year development 114 and 35 w they opened anyway 1280 01:04:14,010 --> 01:04:14,199 and 1281 01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:19,969 We're just now getting the last improvements on the ground 1282 01:04:19,969 --> 01:04:20,760 out there 1283 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,030 Literally in October were finished. So that was a year 1284 01:04:24,030 --> 01:04:24,360 after 1285 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,480 and that was not 1286 01:04:28,199 --> 01:04:31,599 Conducive to good mobility. So we're trying right now. We 1287 01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:32,719 're just reporting you 1288 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,389 The bad news up front. We're still believe we're gonna 1289 01:04:36,389 --> 01:04:40,000 recover that schedule to some degree. Okay, I 1290 01:04:40,639 --> 01:04:42,639 Just didn't want to come here and tell you that still 1291 01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:47,059 In 2018 and you hear from somebody else that there you're 1292 01:04:47,059 --> 01:04:50,000 here in 2019. I'm just telling you that upfront 1293 01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,039 OHL has told us that this is their schedule and the state's 1294 01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:55,280 not accepting it 1295 01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,039 So we're gonna meet with them after the water line is done 1296 01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:00,480 because then they can start 1297 01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:02,780 Fully working on the project because all they're doing 1298 01:05:02,780 --> 01:05:05,840 right now is essentially utility relocations. They don't 1299 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,380 even start on actual the road project 1300 01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,500 But all the funding for that connection is in place. 1301 01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:14,530 Absolutely, and there's a good chance that there's going to 1302 01:05:14,530 --> 01:05:14,739 be 1303 01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:18,639 Part of the recovery schedule is 1304 01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:22,119 Either giving them 1305 01:05:22,199 --> 01:05:23,840 additional funding 1306 01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,300 Right because we're not going to give them time because 1307 01:05:26,300 --> 01:05:28,239 time is what we're trying to buy back 1308 01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:30,679 So there may be a scenario where we have to provide 1309 01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:33,739 additional funding and once we know what that dollar amount 1310 01:05:33,739 --> 01:05:35,199 is then we'll work together between 1311 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,300 text that the county and the MPO to determine the best 1312 01:05:39,300 --> 01:05:40,360 method to 1313 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,920 Cover that cost overrun the water line is a city water line 1314 01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:50,380 Correct. And is there anything that the city? 1315 01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,519 Can do to expedite you guys to show up when you're supposed 1316 01:05:55,519 --> 01:05:57,119 to you did what you're doing 1317 01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:59,119 It's just that there were some valves that 1318 01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,659 Were older outside the limits of the project that you know, 1319 01:06:04,659 --> 01:06:07,440 nobody knew to go look for so I went to go turn them off to 1320 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,800 to reroute the 1321 01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:14,780 Water they didn't work. So we had to go buy these stoppoles 1322 01:06:14,780 --> 01:06:15,480 or whatever 1323 01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,500 I'm way outside my league on this stuff, but they had to 1324 01:06:18,500 --> 01:06:20,400 order them and so it took some time 1325 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:24,440 but it was it was unforeseen and the city staff was 1326 01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:27,500 Johnny on the spot. They've been out there helping with 1327 01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,019 Inspections as quickly as they need to be so OHL didn't 1328 01:06:31,019 --> 01:06:33,760 really apply themselves either. There was a lot of places 1329 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,760 They could have been working 1330 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,800 Other than the water line and they just didn't apply 1331 01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:38,400 themselves 1332 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,889 This is what they did to us on the big project as you're 1333 01:06:40,889 --> 01:06:42,199 coming out of the airport 1334 01:06:42,519 --> 01:06:44,949 Coming up 121 where you see all the where they're doing the 1335 01:06:44,949 --> 01:06:47,119 braided ramps. That's an OHL job - that was supposed to 1336 01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:48,360 been done in July 1337 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,400 And still not completed. So there's just it's their MO 1338 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,530 Okay, and and I'm assuming that someone has notified the 1339 01:06:57,530 --> 01:07:01,639 developer I'm not going to well 1340 01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,679 mark 1341 01:07:04,679 --> 01:07:06,949 Can you make sure that somebody knows if I make sure the 1342 01:07:06,949 --> 01:07:09,639 developer they actually talked to me because I'll tell you 1343 01:07:09,639 --> 01:07:10,119 what? 1344 01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,880 He has lobbyist 1345 01:07:13,159 --> 01:07:15,949 Okay, so here's the thing. I did talk to him the other day 1346 01:07:15,949 --> 01:07:18,000 because he was asking about this signal at 1347 01:07:19,679 --> 01:07:23,400 For the frontage roads. Okay, so here's the kicker 1348 01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:26,949 We're gonna be beating OHL to give us a recovery schedule 1349 01:07:26,949 --> 01:07:29,099 and not giving them any more time 1350 01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:33,599 but then we're gonna ask him to include in the project the 1351 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:35,920 signal at 1352 01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,670 Brinker that wasn't in the original project because it wasn 1353 01:07:38,670 --> 01:07:39,340 't warranted 1354 01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,219 we provided a warrant I think to the city and to text that 1355 01:07:43,219 --> 01:07:44,800 that says that the the 1356 01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:47,639 signal will be wanted and 1357 01:07:47,719 --> 01:07:50,150 We want to include it in the project so that when the 1358 01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:52,630 project's done the signals there and operational because it 1359 01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:53,500 'll help traffic flow 1360 01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:57,199 So we got this kind of that's more money, too 1361 01:07:57,719 --> 01:07:59,920 Yeah, but it's not the money. That's the issue 1362 01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:02,320 It's that OHL is going to take anything we ask them to do 1363 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:06,000 additional as an excuse to ask for more time, right? 1364 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,559 And that's not what we can't give them more time. So 1365 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,400 It's a it's a dance 1366 01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,600 Or knife fight and I can't remember which one it is 1367 01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,720 Okay 1368 01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:24,489 And we have about 20 minutes left because we got a I can 1369 01:08:24,489 --> 01:08:27,140 get done real fast. Yeah, okay 1370 01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,649 Okay 35 north this is real quick this is there's no really 1371 01:08:32,649 --> 01:08:34,340 update on this other than we're waiting on 1372 01:08:35,079 --> 01:08:37,510 HDR to address some of the comments that we're working on 1373 01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:39,319 for the value engineering study 1374 01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:41,789 this is a project from 380 all the way up to the county 1375 01:08:41,789 --> 01:08:43,100 line widening the project to 1376 01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,800 For for a six lane freeway it isn't funded in the region 1377 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,359 but the reason we haven't funded in the region is with the 1378 01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:52,199 region has made a 1379 01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,560 strategic decision to allow 1380 01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,039 Text thought Austin to come in and pick this up because 1381 01:08:57,039 --> 01:08:59,579 text that Austin said it's their goal by a certain date to 1382 01:08:59,579 --> 01:09:00,399 have 35 1383 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,920 from the Rio to the red six lanes and so 1384 01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,680 We're going to give them an opportunity to 1385 01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,359 honor their commitment 1386 01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:12,659 But if they don't I'm sure the cargo come in and text that 1387 01:09:12,659 --> 01:09:14,880 and they'll help pick up that project 1388 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:19,069 but we're looking at the environmental completion of this 1389 01:09:19,069 --> 01:09:20,119 project being done in 1390 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,380 December of 2018. So let's say it does happen in 2018 by 1391 01:09:25,380 --> 01:09:27,319 June July of 19 1392 01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:30,390 If you don't file a lawsuit on this project, it's set in 1393 01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:31,760 stone literally 1394 01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:33,640 from a 1395 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,319 regulatory standpoint 1396 01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:37,640 That's the critical date after that we can move 1397 01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,720 Wow 1398 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,220 After that date we can move faster on the right away and 1399 01:09:46,220 --> 01:09:50,850 the utility locations where we're in control of our own 1400 01:09:50,850 --> 01:09:51,680 destiny 1401 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,369 So right now we need to get the we got comments from the VE 1402 01:09:55,369 --> 01:09:55,840 study 1403 01:09:56,279 --> 01:09:58,510 We've got to get those back to the feds. We're working on 1404 01:09:58,510 --> 01:10:01,159 that and we're shooting for that December 2018 1405 01:10:01,159 --> 01:10:02,720 environmental clearance date 1406 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,789 In town. I love this road now. I go to Academy all the time 1407 01:10:06,789 --> 01:10:07,960 . It should be 1408 01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,159 Completed and punched out. They're just doing 1409 01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:15,270 I'm just showing you I'll show you all they're doing right 1410 01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:16,760 now is doing punch list and 1411 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,409 Issues that the lanes should be open. I was out there the 1412 01:10:19,409 --> 01:10:21,239 other day and it appeared that they were 1413 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,699 All right, go ahead only one question there 1414 01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,220 Is there any are there any plans to put landscaping in the 1415 01:10:29,220 --> 01:10:33,359 wider sections of the medians where there's just grass now? 1416 01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:35,359 That's dying to match 1417 01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,100 Typically what happens is is after the project is completed 1418 01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:40,899 the city comes in and coordinates with 1419 01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,319 Text that area office and through the green ribbons program 1420 01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:46,329 Okay, and they do it after fact because we don't let the 1421 01:10:46,329 --> 01:10:49,279 contractors do landscape because they don't do it very well 1422 01:10:49,279 --> 01:10:49,600 , right? 1423 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,880 Okay, so that would be something the city follows up with 1424 01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,159 right and we can work with them on that 1425 01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:56,159 They're actually y'all staff is fairly 1426 01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:58,520 proficient at the 1427 01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,060 All that stuff because if you look at most of your roadways 1428 01:11:01,060 --> 01:11:04,250 , there's there's what I call enhanced landscaping on your 1429 01:11:04,250 --> 01:11:05,880 own system projects 1430 01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,770 So, okay. Thank you. It's typically after the project is 1431 01:11:09,770 --> 01:11:10,880 the contractors gone 1432 01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,199 All right 1433 01:11:18,199 --> 01:11:22,529 Us 380 East this is the project out to the Collin County 1434 01:11:22,529 --> 01:11:22,939 line 1435 01:11:22,939 --> 01:11:26,239 This project is now fully funded at the hundred and thirty 1436 01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:27,159 million dollar 1437 01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,000 price tag text that is 1438 01:11:31,359 --> 01:11:34,039 Doing the green segment in house because it's easy 1439 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,880 essentially, which includes 1440 01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,000 Julie's 10-foot 1441 01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,600 Bike trail I think whatever 1442 01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:46,039 Can you drive a car on it? 1443 01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,479 And then I don't know anything about it 1444 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:52,640 And 1445 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:57,039 See I tell you what I've seen pollster with cowboy boots 1446 01:11:57,039 --> 01:12:00,439 his cowboy hat and his spandex shorts on a mountain bike 1447 01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,039 And I don't ever want to see it again 1448 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,720 It's someone control 1449 01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,439 So 1450 01:12:12,039 --> 01:12:14,039 We have 1451 01:12:14,279 --> 01:12:17,229 CHN 2 Hill I think is doing the design for the blue section 1452 01:12:17,229 --> 01:12:19,000 or its trans systems 1453 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:19,760 I'll get that for you 1454 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,520 We just got that the other day, but they are moving forward 1455 01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,840 with schedule such that we are anticipating having 1456 01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,479 the environmental clearance by 1457 01:12:29,279 --> 01:12:33,489 June of next year now there are 114 parcels to acquire in 1458 01:12:33,489 --> 01:12:34,960 the blue section alone 1459 01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:37,899 But that's outside y'all city limits, but people that go 1460 01:12:37,899 --> 01:12:40,239 that way we're going to be grade separating 1461 01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,680 720 423 1462 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,119 NaVo where Brazzwell is really and 1463 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,840 Teal and legacy so it'll basically be a what we call a 1464 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,359 super street and just when you say great operation 1465 01:12:53,359 --> 01:12:55,819 What you mean a bridge where the people on? 1466 01:12:56,279 --> 01:13:00,149 380 will not have to stop if they're just going on through 1467 01:13:00,149 --> 01:13:01,920 at these locations 1468 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,449 They could just continue on but if they want to stop there 1469 01:13:04,449 --> 01:13:06,930 'll be an off-ramp to get off the lanes to come to those 1470 01:13:06,930 --> 01:13:07,300 roads 1471 01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,199 To cross streets, so it'll 1472 01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,520 It won't be a freeway. It'll be what we call a limited 1473 01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:17,239 access facility which means you'll have far fewer stops and 1474 01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,079 Obviously you're not going to stop anywhere over the lake 1475 01:13:21,079 --> 01:13:23,560 so that should move the traffic fairly well 1476 01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,210 And it does include the and there's a question. Oh, this is 1477 01:13:27,210 --> 01:13:30,180 the point where I ask you about the right turn 1478 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,199 I know that's supposed to be done as a separate 1479 01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,779 maintenance job well before this and I and so we want from 1480 01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,720 We've had three area engineers since this request was made 1481 01:13:44,020 --> 01:13:46,300 So I guess we just need to tee that back up in our on 1482 01:13:46,300 --> 01:13:47,840 system meeting mark if you 1483 01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,000 In what we're talking about is loop 288 1484 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,600 Going north on 288 to go east on 380 1485 01:13:56,359 --> 01:13:57,840 And it's stuffs there 1486 01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:02,020 I mean bus showed a way to fix it without having to have to 1487 01:14:02,020 --> 01:14:04,600 jack with that drainage ditch on and there's and there's 1488 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,800 development coming in 1489 01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,000 Actually, just wipe that out 1490 01:14:09,399 --> 01:14:13,840 That get widened yeah, we will put on our on system task 1491 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:14,840 force report and 1492 01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,920 Start we'll put it in there. We'll put as a standalone 1493 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,920 Item for us to start tracking and and we might want to also 1494 01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:25,000 have it on our radar screen in terms of of 1495 01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,220 Whatever the engineering department is doing with the 1496 01:14:28,220 --> 01:14:31,439 developer on that in terms of curb cuts to get into that 1497 01:14:34,119 --> 01:14:36,319 Facility that new development, I was surprised when I 1498 01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:38,920 thought it was like 55 acres 1499 01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:42,239 And it goes way back to the east 1500 01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,369 Yes, I used to take my son younger son to school in the 1501 01:14:46,369 --> 01:14:49,399 mornings early for football and there were several times 1502 01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:52,199 I came back. I'd see a big old buck chasing does out there 1503 01:14:53,159 --> 01:14:54,619 So I'm glad y'all are doing that because I think you're 1504 01:14:54,619 --> 01:14:56,319 gonna push him towards my property 1505 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,520 Okay 1506 01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,760 Luke 288 1507 01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:06,880 so 1508 01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:08,880 Luke 288 is 1509 01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,479 anticipated having environmental clearance by 1510 01:15:12,359 --> 01:15:14,039 2020 and 1511 01:15:14,039 --> 01:15:16,279 That's not because we can't get it done sooner 1512 01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,489 We are going to try to move that up, but right now 288 is 1513 01:15:19,489 --> 01:15:21,020 not in what's called conformity 1514 01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,600 Until like 2040 and so we have to update conformity 1515 01:15:24,699 --> 01:15:27,250 Which conformity is where you have the highway bill and 1516 01:15:27,250 --> 01:15:29,680 what you do with transportation match 1517 01:15:30,199 --> 01:15:32,699 What's your air quality requirements are they have to 1518 01:15:32,699 --> 01:15:33,960 conform to each other? 1519 01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:39,090 and so anytime you build a road either helps or hurts air 1520 01:15:39,090 --> 01:15:39,560 quality and 1521 01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:44,350 You take credit for it in a certain year and right now 288 1522 01:15:44,350 --> 01:15:45,640 is moving faster 1523 01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,979 Procedurally than what we anticipated so it's in a further 1524 01:15:48,979 --> 01:15:51,239 out here and conformity. So we've got to walk through a 1525 01:15:51,239 --> 01:15:51,840 process to get it 1526 01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:54,359 back to a 1527 01:15:54,359 --> 01:15:56,489 Year that we're working on we think we can get that done by 1528 01:15:56,489 --> 01:15:56,880 next year 1529 01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:01,060 But if nothing else happens 2020 is the time frame and I 1530 01:16:01,060 --> 01:16:04,000 was meeting with Kelly Salmon again on last Thursday 1531 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,560 And he wants to get together and find a way to start 1532 01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:11,720 Funding 288 1533 01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:14,880 What concern that I've got regarding that is that? 1534 01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,039 my my memory serves me it was hard to find a 1535 01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:24,020 preliminary route because so many gas wells and and what my 1536 01:16:24,020 --> 01:16:25,479 concern is is that 1537 01:16:26,319 --> 01:16:29,029 In the meantime, there may be more gas wells that pop up 1538 01:16:29,029 --> 01:16:32,399 that block it is all of this within our 1539 01:16:33,119 --> 01:16:36,939 city limits so that we can make sure that we don't have any 1540 01:16:36,939 --> 01:16:38,319 gas wells blocking it or 1541 01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:40,439 or 1542 01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:41,600 What's the story on there? 1543 01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,100 Well, we've threaded the needle on all the gas wells that 1544 01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:47,229 are out there and we coordinated with the coal ranch and 1545 01:16:47,229 --> 01:16:48,039 with various 1546 01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,229 Know the developers in the north and then we're working 1547 01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:53,199 with you know 1548 01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:55,810 We're basically going where the airport was going to take a 1549 01:16:55,810 --> 01:16:58,840 take their alignment. So we feel like we've got a corridor 1550 01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:00,840 That's fairly well protected 1551 01:17:01,159 --> 01:17:04,199 And we had to tweak it a little bit just the other day 1552 01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,520 Not the other day a couple months on the on the southern 1553 01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,000 section for 2449 because you had a transmission line 1554 01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:14,699 And then you had a gas well, so we y'all recommended us 1555 01:17:14,699 --> 01:17:16,239 taking a more southerly 1556 01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:20,329 alignment to miss both the transmission line and the and 1557 01:17:20,329 --> 01:17:22,479 the gas well, so we've got a 1558 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,000 we've got a 1559 01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,000 alignment that we think that it's 1560 01:17:27,039 --> 01:17:29,039 fairly well threaded through 1561 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,600 not only the current 1562 01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,739 Conflicts but the ones we've been able to anticipate going 1563 01:17:34,739 --> 01:17:37,039 forward with the development that we've been coordinating 1564 01:17:37,039 --> 01:17:37,199 with 1565 01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:44,119 And so remember there's a full 1566 01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,359 grade separation with direct connects on the northern part 1567 01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:48,960 there will only be a 1568 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,600 half direct connect on the 1569 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:57,449 428 I mean for 20 the 2449 from 35 to the loop there won't 1570 01:17:57,449 --> 01:17:59,720 be anything going from 35 to vintage 1571 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,439 There'll be ramps, but there won't be direct connects 1572 01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,279 Okay 1515 this is gonna be quick 1573 01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:12,239 We just got LTRA's 1574 01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,680 cost estimate and 1575 01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:18,460 We are reviewing that and we'll close and I think that they 1576 01:18:18,460 --> 01:18:21,310 've been coordinating with the city staff to make sure that 1577 01:18:21,310 --> 01:18:22,119 we're tying in 1578 01:18:22,119 --> 01:18:25,270 What they're doing with the Bonnie Bray, but once we get 1579 01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:27,880 them on board again, we'll do a kickoff meeting make sure 1580 01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:28,560 that the 1581 01:18:29,279 --> 01:18:31,279 LTRA 1582 01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:33,970 Includes the city and a lot of their action items because 1583 01:18:33,970 --> 01:18:35,600 there's a lot going on out there 1584 01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,640 1830 this is the rehab project 1585 01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:42,880 and 1586 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,609 Basically, they're continuing this work will be done in 1587 01:18:45,609 --> 01:18:48,800 August 2018 and this is basically a mill and overlay with 1588 01:18:50,039 --> 01:18:51,479 with 1589 01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,479 shoulders 1590 01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,479 Anything on those 1591 01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:58,960 Questions on that 1592 01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:03,210 Do we have a we have a name that we normally call 1830 for 1593 01:19:03,210 --> 01:19:06,199 people who don't familiar with that number 1594 01:19:08,319 --> 01:19:10,319 Is it 1595 01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,039 Okay, I think it's 1830 right 1596 01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:19,319 Just a note because I know that 1597 01:19:20,079 --> 01:19:23,710 Awhile ago we had McKinney on here, which was 428, but now 1598 01:19:23,710 --> 01:19:25,520 that the city has that road 1599 01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,850 We're not getting updates from mr. Polster anymore. So if 1600 01:19:28,850 --> 01:19:32,649 there's a way that we can get those updates around the same 1601 01:19:32,649 --> 01:19:33,020 time 1602 01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:37,270 Frame for this committee on that would you like a monthly 1603 01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:40,239 or would it every other month or quarterly work? 1604 01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,329 Just something regular, please just so when we get an 1605 01:19:44,329 --> 01:19:44,800 update 1606 01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:50,119 Maybe a placeholder because this is normally an agenda item 1607 01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:54,399 So if we could just follow it up with McKinney Street 1608 01:19:54,399 --> 01:19:56,640 agenda item to for updates 1609 01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,560 Right with utilities and anything like that 1610 01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,300 And it may be nothing to report this month, but we don't 1611 01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:05,159 want to have nothing to report for more than about 1612 01:20:06,319 --> 01:20:09,279 For very long because we want to see progress being made on 1613 01:20:09,279 --> 01:20:09,439 it 1614 01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,300 Okay, so item E is staff reports 1615 01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,520 Mr. Chair actually on this one 1616 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,680 We have an RTC update. I think councilmember but Gary had 1617 01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,279 wanted to may approach him to Gary 1618 01:20:28,279 --> 01:20:30,279 would like to 1619 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,560 Provide some information for majesty 1620 01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:46,159 Mark are you gonna pull up the RTC? Yes, ma'am. Oh my god 1621 01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,079 I'm triggered 1622 01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,449 Okay, so I'll just let me go through this while I while we 1623 01:20:58,449 --> 01:20:59,680 're waiting 1624 01:20:59,960 --> 01:21:03,050 So RTC was on Thursday and there were several items that I 1625 01:21:03,050 --> 01:21:06,180 wanted to bring forward to the mobility committee 1626 01:21:06,399 --> 01:21:09,380 This is my first mobility meeting although I've been on RTC 1627 01:21:09,380 --> 01:21:10,899 for I guess nine months now 1628 01:21:11,579 --> 01:21:14,960 so I don't know how you guys did it before but I I'm just 1629 01:21:16,119 --> 01:21:18,119 winging it 1630 01:21:20,319 --> 01:21:22,319 I 1631 01:21:23,239 --> 01:21:26,079 Welcome by the way glad you're here 1632 01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:29,640 Yeah meeting materials 1633 01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,180 These meetings are also televised. So I think last time we 1634 01:21:33,180 --> 01:21:36,289 had what four or five people watching out of the whole 1635 01:21:36,289 --> 01:21:36,880 region 1636 01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,600 They tell you how many people are watching seriously four 1637 01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:41,079 people 1638 01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:45,210 Is that through streaming yes, it's live stream and they 1639 01:21:45,210 --> 01:21:48,680 have the old meetings as well as I understand it 1640 01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:50,680 so 1641 01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:51,359 Let's see 1642 01:21:51,359 --> 01:21:53,970 I have mine up so I wanted to just touch on some of the 1643 01:21:53,970 --> 01:21:56,520 things that I had requested and kind of get 1644 01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,649 Mobilities feedback. There's a traffic signal timing 1645 01:21:59,649 --> 01:22:01,640 project. I think that's on point 1646 01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,399 2.2 1647 01:22:04,399 --> 01:22:07,489 Wanted to know if there's anything that city of Denton we 1648 01:22:07,489 --> 01:22:10,760 were specifically called out at that meeting city of Denton 1649 01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,319 Do you have any traffic signal timing projects? You'd like 1650 01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:13,840 to bring to us? 1651 01:22:14,039 --> 01:22:16,920 So I'm just carrying that forward to see if there's 1652 01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:17,520 anything 1653 01:22:18,399 --> 01:22:21,699 Along those lines they can't have been changed in the last 1654 01:22:21,699 --> 01:22:24,539 however many months and I know we changed a lot of ours 1655 01:22:24,539 --> 01:22:25,000 recently 1656 01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:30,369 Just update on that. We went after the same grant a couple 1657 01:22:30,369 --> 01:22:32,039 years ago. We received it 1658 01:22:32,199 --> 01:22:35,500 we have a consultant on board through cog that's currently 1659 01:22:35,500 --> 01:22:37,439 working on our timing and I 1660 01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:40,930 Would say it's been a little bit struggle, especially with 1661 01:22:40,930 --> 01:22:43,239 all the construction projects going on throughout the city 1662 01:22:43,239 --> 01:22:47,199 it's been a challenge to collect data make it efficient and 1663 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,729 Retime it so it's been a slower process and it's over 1664 01:22:51,729 --> 01:22:55,310 little over a year that the consultants been gathering data 1665 01:22:55,310 --> 01:22:55,560 and 1666 01:22:56,079 --> 01:22:59,279 Developing timing we don't have the new timing yet 1667 01:22:59,279 --> 01:23:01,960 But we'll soon have it and implement it and when we're 1668 01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:03,619 talking about timing what we're talking about is a 1669 01:23:03,619 --> 01:23:05,479 sequencing of signal lights 1670 01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:10,109 We make traffic flow more smoothly and and and not have as 1671 01:23:10,109 --> 01:23:10,880 many cars 1672 01:23:11,359 --> 01:23:15,189 Stopped at signal lights and idling and putting emissions 1673 01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:17,680 into the air. What roads are we talking about? 1674 01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,239 We're in we currently have about 1675 01:23:22,359 --> 01:23:25,659 75 or 78 signals that we're gonna do and they're all along 1676 01:23:25,659 --> 01:23:28,399 major corridors 380 is one of them 1677 01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,859 Teasley all the major corridors to a Friday loop 288 is one 1678 01:23:32,859 --> 01:23:33,840 of them. So 1679 01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:38,810 We've almost about 60 to 70 percent of the signals will be 1680 01:23:38,810 --> 01:23:39,520 retimed 1681 01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,039 Are you saying that that they were looking for more 1682 01:23:42,039 --> 01:23:44,640 submission? They want more submissions. Yes 1683 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,659 This one is the retiming and they want to be able to 1684 01:23:51,659 --> 01:23:55,199 determine what your mobility benefits are for 1685 01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,840 microphone, please 1686 01:24:02,199 --> 01:24:04,810 35 points for mobility benefit cost benefit analysis of 1687 01:24:04,810 --> 01:24:07,479 your progression of your traffic through the corridors 1688 01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,329 They want to know what you're not to VOC. They'll calculate 1689 01:24:10,329 --> 01:24:10,720 that for you 1690 01:24:11,199 --> 01:24:13,199 Make sure that it's tied into other technologies 1691 01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:15,800 communications. What's your environmental justice is? 1692 01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:17,800 That's a thing that I was talking about a minute ago 1693 01:24:18,279 --> 01:24:20,279 and then 1694 01:24:20,399 --> 01:24:22,560 However, it supports multimodal 1695 01:24:23,359 --> 01:24:26,729 Operations from you know moving trucks cars people. So 1696 01:24:26,729 --> 01:24:30,640 those are the criteria that you have to meet and it's a 1697 01:24:32,119 --> 01:24:36,000 It's a it doesn't have a maximum dollar amount but they're 1698 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,000 trying to limit it to 1699 01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:42,680 Smaller 1700 01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:44,680 Denomination so they can get more 1701 01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:47,800 Dots on the map for lack of a better word 1702 01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:49,800 and then 1703 01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,560 John so 1704 01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,819 Maybe I'm connecting these two and they're not supposed to 1705 01:24:53,819 --> 01:24:54,380 be connected 1706 01:24:54,380 --> 01:24:58,210 But at a prior meeting they had also stated that they were 1707 01:24:58,210 --> 01:24:59,279 looking for data 1708 01:25:00,199 --> 01:25:03,920 For that's a different that's a different program and that 1709 01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:04,159 is 1710 01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,710 That's what they're essentially trying to do is get the 1711 01:25:07,710 --> 01:25:11,520 cities to allow or to upload their information to this cog 1712 01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,119 5-1-1 1713 01:25:14,119 --> 01:25:17,989 Programming and they disseminated out to ways in rates all 1714 01:25:17,989 --> 01:25:19,319 of the the 1715 01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:22,359 traffic 1716 01:25:22,359 --> 01:25:25,840 GPS folks, right and they want real-time information like 1717 01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,279 so if you're gonna have your 1718 01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,439 Festivals down here, whatever you're gonna close streets 1719 01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:32,159 from this time of this time or these days 1720 01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:37,039 That gets uploaded to the 5-1-1 and then 5-1-1 distributes 1721 01:25:37,039 --> 01:25:37,239 out 1722 01:25:37,239 --> 01:25:40,119 And so when ways is routing people to Denton, they'll have 1723 01:25:40,119 --> 01:25:42,000 that real-time information and they'll 1724 01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:44,520 they'll 1725 01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,600 They'll reroute it and and so there's 1726 01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:50,579 There's some costs associated with the city's to do and 1727 01:25:50,579 --> 01:25:52,220 this program that Tom 1728 01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,520 Belmont a Belmont he's doing provide some 1729 01:25:56,279 --> 01:25:58,760 compensation to the cities for some 1730 01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,909 Whatever they got to do to make that data available and it 1731 01:26:01,909 --> 01:26:04,119 's basically if you say you want to do it 1732 01:26:04,119 --> 01:26:06,119 I'll do it with you 1733 01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:09,949 And just as a heads up I've reached out to town of Flower M 1734 01:26:09,949 --> 01:26:11,920 ounds traffic engineer 1735 01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,439 We're gonna try and get their submittal they submitted and 1736 01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:18,159 so we're gonna see what we can do to see if there's a way 1737 01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:18,199 to 1738 01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:20,439 Craft something similar with that 1739 01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:23,960 Just a question on the 1740 01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:28,199 Traffic signal. So is this funding for new signals? 1741 01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:32,560 This is retiming. Okay, and it can't be signals that have 1742 01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,279 been retimed any time in the last two years and 1743 01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:40,380 There's more there's the criteria is way larger what I'm 1744 01:26:40,380 --> 01:26:41,079 telling you 1745 01:26:41,079 --> 01:26:44,029 What they're gonna grade you on but they won't even let you 1746 01:26:44,029 --> 01:26:46,079 start if they don't think your road is a 1747 01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:51,850 What they call a significant arterial in other words has is 1748 01:26:51,850 --> 01:26:53,279 eligible for movement of traffic 1749 01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:55,770 So there's some things we got to walk through but it's 1750 01:26:55,770 --> 01:26:57,060 worth looking at I mean 1751 01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:01,100 And we qualify because we're in a non-attainment area. That 1752 01:27:01,100 --> 01:27:02,039 's correct, right? 1753 01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:05,180 Okay, and so the other program is what they call minor 1754 01:27:05,180 --> 01:27:07,479 improvements and by minor improvements, they're saying 1755 01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:10,720 $50,000 or less per 1756 01:27:11,079 --> 01:27:13,079 per 1757 01:27:13,359 --> 01:27:16,439 Power per project and so they're talking about you need to 1758 01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:18,439 if some cities don't have opticon 1759 01:27:19,279 --> 01:27:21,279 signals types or whatever so it 1760 01:27:23,279 --> 01:27:25,149 Those are the said those are types of things are talking 1761 01:27:25,149 --> 01:27:27,819 about, you know some type of control or whatever 1762 01:27:27,819 --> 01:27:31,479 That's not very expensive, but that would link them somehow 1763 01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:34,319 and again, they have a criteria that again 1764 01:27:34,319 --> 01:27:37,899 It's environmental justice the cost to the mobility benefit 1765 01:27:37,899 --> 01:27:39,220 ratio all this stuff 1766 01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:44,489 And they're the call this call is open through October 13th 1767 01:27:44,489 --> 01:27:44,880 , I think 1768 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,600 You got to get it in 1769 01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,359 so 1770 01:27:49,359 --> 01:27:51,000 They don't give you a lot of time 1771 01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:52,960 So just on that one 1772 01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,689 We're not eligible because we've already have funding and 1773 01:27:55,689 --> 01:27:58,880 we're currently using that to retime all the signals 1774 01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:02,380 So they will be retimed in the near future in the next few 1775 01:28:02,380 --> 01:28:02,800 months 1776 01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,279 So we can't go for funding on this route. So whoever 1777 01:28:06,279 --> 01:28:07,039 probably called you out 1778 01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,750 Probably didn't know you were already doing it. I might 1779 01:28:10,750 --> 01:28:11,760 have confused the call out the way 1780 01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:17,520 Tom really wants didn't yes, and I think I think that I 1781 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,479 think that comment was Denton County wide 1782 01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,479 It wasn't just the city of Denton 1783 01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:26,560 Yeah 1784 01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:28,680 To follow up on the the timing 1785 01:28:29,359 --> 01:28:31,899 Is that something you bring back to the committee and we 1786 01:28:31,899 --> 01:28:34,819 will look at those or is that just something that 1787 01:28:34,819 --> 01:28:36,039 automatically happens? 1788 01:28:36,039 --> 01:28:38,920 I'm because we have like request for longer yellow lights 1789 01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:39,960 and things like that 1790 01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,829 Is there a way for citizens to comment on certain 1791 01:28:42,829 --> 01:28:45,920 intersections or are you just look at traffic flow? 1792 01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:48,960 This may be off topic. So 1793 01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,829 Actually cog has hired a consultant to develop the signal 1794 01:28:52,829 --> 01:28:56,899 timing and primarily they're looking at coordination. They 1795 01:28:56,899 --> 01:28:57,600 're not looking at 1796 01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,239 Necessarily one or two locations that need extra green or 1797 01:29:01,239 --> 01:29:05,279 extra yellow time. It's more focused on corridor and 1798 01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:08,479 Through traffic moving traffic through the ever gone 1799 01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,520 through Abilene when you're trying to go to Colorado 1800 01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,829 And you pray that you get there at that time you get that 1801 01:29:13,829 --> 01:29:16,640 signal just right where all 13 of those signals turn green 1802 01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:18,579 So here's you're going through that's what they're talking 1803 01:29:18,579 --> 01:29:18,840 about 1804 01:29:19,239 --> 01:29:21,670 They want the traffic to progress right to keep the 1805 01:29:21,670 --> 01:29:24,909 emissions. I gotcha. I didn't know that anybody went 1806 01:29:24,909 --> 01:29:26,920 through Abilene to get to Colorado 1807 01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,720 Maybe an amaryllis. They all look alike to me Wow 1808 01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:37,010 The next item was number five the 2017 infrastructure for 1809 01:29:37,010 --> 01:29:38,279 rebuilding America grants 1810 01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,760 the infra grants and I just wanted to get a little 1811 01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:46,310 blurb from our people about what we might be eligible for 1812 01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:47,920 what we might be applying for 1813 01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,920 Because it's quite a large pot of money. Yes, so 1814 01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:54,960 I 1815 01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,930 Was using some choice words during RTC on text message back 1816 01:29:59,930 --> 01:30:01,079 and forth between 1817 01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:06,479 Text that in cog not with me. Don't boy. No, no 1818 01:30:07,079 --> 01:30:09,239 And I don't know if you saw when I got out and left and 1819 01:30:09,239 --> 01:30:11,760 then Mo burr got up and Michael got up and left 1820 01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:13,600 That's what we were talking about 1821 01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,640 Because not typically what they do on these is they say 1822 01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:19,659 here we're gonna pick what we think is a good project, 1823 01:30:19,659 --> 01:30:20,359 right? 1824 01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:23,430 So they're picking 635 and then they say the locals you're 1825 01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:25,319 eligible you can submit what you want 1826 01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:27,960 And they but typically in the past they would give you a 1827 01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:30,239 letter of support as long as it was in the plan 1828 01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:33,010 Now they're saying we don't want you competing against us. 1829 01:30:33,010 --> 01:30:33,960 I guess what we're not gonna do 1830 01:30:34,119 --> 01:30:36,680 We're not gonna give you a letter of support. So these are 1831 01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:37,920 very involved 1832 01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:40,439 Applications and they're very expensive 1833 01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:43,039 We were gonna I was gonna try to do one for 35 on the wish 1834 01:30:43,039 --> 01:30:45,920 bone because that's what was submitted under fast lane last 1835 01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:46,119 time 1836 01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:49,420 But only if cog was gonna do a letter of support if they're 1837 01:30:49,420 --> 01:30:51,119 not gonna do a letter of support 1838 01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:55,159 the feds aren't even gonna look at it, so 1839 01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,380 That was the problem is if they're they're talking about if 1840 01:30:59,380 --> 01:31:02,399 you look at the next part there, it says please be aware 1841 01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:04,920 you know about 1842 01:31:05,039 --> 01:31:08,869 details recent grant it's talking about whether they should 1843 01:31:08,869 --> 01:31:09,279 provide 1844 01:31:11,119 --> 01:31:14,600 The letter not and you heard where they were going saying 1845 01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,199 no, we're not going to support other applications 1846 01:31:17,199 --> 01:31:19,960 So and you think that that's a death knell for any type of 1847 01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:21,279 application to the feds? 1848 01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:27,409 Your experience has been that yes, and I when I said that 1849 01:31:27,409 --> 01:31:29,760 tomorrow goes well there was a there was one project in 1850 01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:30,279 another state 1851 01:31:30,279 --> 01:31:32,279 They got funded 1852 01:31:32,279 --> 01:31:34,279 One one 1853 01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,460 So but here's the thing this is the 1854 01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,689 And I want to be careful I say because you look at the 1855 01:31:45,689 --> 01:31:48,159 previous item big projects in Texas 1856 01:31:49,399 --> 01:31:51,399 You'll know that there's no 1857 01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,920 Way, will you move up to item for you see the electronic 1858 01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:56,920 item five and the grants and all that stuff 1859 01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:59,270 That means if you wanted to go before the meeting and look 1860 01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:59,520 at it 1861 01:31:59,960 --> 01:32:03,039 You can go look at it. What the presentation is going to be 1862 01:32:04,039 --> 01:32:06,039 Item four does not have any 1863 01:32:07,079 --> 01:32:09,079 presentation associated with it, right 1864 01:32:09,239 --> 01:32:12,720 they already picked LBJ they already picked the 1865 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,300 Downtown lower lowest Simmons and they already picked the 1866 01:32:17,300 --> 01:32:20,119 project in Tarrant County to be the big idea 1867 01:32:20,119 --> 01:32:23,189 And it was basically Victor Vandergrift Michael Kelly Sal 1868 01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:26,680 mon and low bustle the two district engineers Michael and 1869 01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:27,399 the 1870 01:32:28,199 --> 01:32:31,500 Commission said these are priorities and they laid them out 1871 01:32:31,500 --> 01:32:32,579 to the group now 1872 01:32:33,159 --> 01:32:34,800 Unfortunately, they're right 1873 01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,569 Those are the right projects. There's there's nothing that 1874 01:32:37,569 --> 01:32:39,279 competes with 635 in the section 1875 01:32:39,279 --> 01:32:42,819 They want to do or the lowest lower Simmons where all the 1876 01:32:42,819 --> 01:32:45,439 volume of traffic is coming off of 183 1877 01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:48,460 It's dropping down into that area where because the city of 1878 01:32:48,460 --> 01:32:49,239 Dallas is 1879 01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:53,319 Squirrely they dumped on the Trinity project. So now they 1880 01:32:53,319 --> 01:32:55,039 got to go back and fix what's actually there 1881 01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,079 In its city of Dallas had not been what they were 1882 01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:00,420 So we're having to put a lot of money into the city of 1883 01:33:00,420 --> 01:33:04,560 Dallas to fix their problems because a political chicanery 1884 01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,880 So I was upset more about the fact that there was 1885 01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:10,319 of the process 1886 01:33:10,319 --> 01:33:13,760 Than the projects right because there wasn't any 1887 01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:17,800 Dialogue 1888 01:33:18,319 --> 01:33:21,560 Would that be political chicanery or skullduggery? 1889 01:33:23,119 --> 01:33:25,550 Well when you don't like them I call it skullduggery if you 1890 01:33:25,550 --> 01:33:28,640 think they got good intentions, but they just messed up 1891 01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:30,760 I call it chicanery. Okay. Thank you 1892 01:33:31,359 --> 01:33:33,359 Yes, ma'am. Okay 1893 01:33:33,359 --> 01:33:37,060 I don't know what item it was but there was a mention about 1894 01:33:37,060 --> 01:33:40,920 in city and government's bond 1895 01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:44,760 Planning process. Yes to include 1896 01:33:45,319 --> 01:33:50,039 Pre kind of pre planning with RTC as far as what projects 1897 01:33:50,039 --> 01:33:52,239 may be matched by RTC 1898 01:33:52,239 --> 01:33:55,090 So you can kind of get that pre clearance a little bit and 1899 01:33:55,090 --> 01:33:58,319 I know we're talking about a 2020 item 13 1900 01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:01,359 Thank you. I know we're talking about a 2020 or 1901 01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:04,319 2021 bond program 1902 01:34:04,319 --> 01:34:08,979 So I wanted to talk about this now as far as planning ahead 1903 01:34:08,979 --> 01:34:10,699 with what it is that 1904 01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:13,920 we even present to like our bond committees and 1905 01:34:15,319 --> 01:34:18,659 That out there so what they do is is they'll say if you're 1906 01:34:18,659 --> 01:34:20,720 planning on having a bond program 1907 01:34:21,359 --> 01:34:24,000 Come sit down with us. Tell us what it is. You think you're 1908 01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,079 gonna do. Let us see which one of those are 1909 01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,729 Federally eligible for participation whether it be through 1910 01:34:30,729 --> 01:34:32,260 CMAC STBG 1911 01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:37,060 or their local funds that they they they generate and the 1912 01:34:37,060 --> 01:34:40,380 intention is is they still want you to go out for if you're 1913 01:34:40,380 --> 01:34:41,800 planning on doing a 1914 01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,020 Hundred million dollar bond program. They still want you to 1915 01:34:44,020 --> 01:34:46,000 go out and do the hundred million dollar bond program 1916 01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,000 They just want you to let them pay for 1917 01:34:48,279 --> 01:34:52,000 30 million of it and then you give them 30 million bucks in 1918 01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,439 local funds because they put in their local fund account 1919 01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:55,119 and now they 1920 01:34:55,119 --> 01:34:58,520 Got money that doesn't have strings attached but typically 1921 01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:00,279 to get 30 million. They'll give you 40 1922 01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:02,840 So you leverage it up? 1923 01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:05,479 Because you're taking 1924 01:35:06,039 --> 01:35:08,630 Dollars that have to go through a process and you're giving 1925 01:35:08,630 --> 01:35:11,560 them dollars that don't so your money's worth more 1926 01:35:12,079 --> 01:35:14,079 So you leverage it 1927 01:35:14,079 --> 01:35:16,079 right 1928 01:35:16,119 --> 01:35:18,119 Which is this is not new 1929 01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:21,960 So what I understand councilmember is that we just need to 1930 01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:24,779 continue to work on prioritizing our list 1931 01:35:25,319 --> 01:35:27,380 And working with the council government's only opportunity. 1932 01:35:27,380 --> 01:35:28,920 I would just tweak that a little bit 1933 01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:33,060 Before you prioritize your list you may not know what is 1934 01:35:33,060 --> 01:35:35,579 what how to tweak it to make it more 1935 01:35:36,199 --> 01:35:38,739 leverageable and Coggro will come meet with you and just 1936 01:35:38,739 --> 01:35:39,600 have it like a 1937 01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:44,569 Shred or brainstorm where you just kind of talk about what 1938 01:35:44,569 --> 01:35:45,300 you want to do 1939 01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,279 Yeah, so before we get to the part where we're prioritizing 1940 01:35:48,279 --> 01:35:50,680 is what I'm understanding 1941 01:35:53,159 --> 01:35:55,600 There was a small bond that our small 1942 01:35:56,439 --> 01:36:00,680 Grant two small grants. So I don't I'm sorry. I can't 1943 01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:03,520 remember which item it was but it was a low-income 1944 01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:05,920 mobility 1945 01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:07,920 elderly low-income 1946 01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:10,439 That would be the chart 1947 01:36:11,399 --> 01:36:14,079 So here I really have more of a question 1948 01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,899 Do you remember which item it was? I think it's nine. Okay 1949 01:36:19,039 --> 01:36:22,340 so there there was a federal funding to improve access to 1950 01:36:22,340 --> 01:36:26,760 work for the low-income workforce and access to mobility 1951 01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:27,119 for 1952 01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:30,720 The elderly and mobility 1953 01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:35,359 impaired and I went to a public meeting at DCTA on 1954 01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,840 Some of the things that are needed and Denton a lot of 1955 01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:42,159 community members there. Obviously it was at DCTA. I 1956 01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,479 left there thinking that DCTA would be 1957 01:36:46,199 --> 01:36:48,729 Applying for something or that one of the community groups 1958 01:36:48,729 --> 01:36:51,819 would be applying for something and it turns out that Dent 1959 01:36:51,819 --> 01:36:52,840 on didn't have any 1960 01:36:53,079 --> 01:36:54,960 applications at all 1961 01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:58,260 So I don't know what maybe I just made an assumption that I 1962 01:36:58,260 --> 01:37:00,319 shouldn't have made but how can we? 1963 01:37:01,079 --> 01:37:05,260 Encourage DCTA to go after some of these projects if you'll 1964 01:37:05,260 --> 01:37:06,920 hit electronic at nine 1965 01:37:07,079 --> 01:37:09,079 It'll show you the list. I think you're talking about 1966 01:37:10,199 --> 01:37:12,720 Right list if you see the organization's way up there on 1967 01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:13,239 the top 1968 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:16,760 So there was money specifically for the Denton Louisville 1969 01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:21,680 corridor and only span of Louisville and span of I think 1970 01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:24,640 flower mound applied for it 1971 01:37:26,359 --> 01:37:29,510 But I definitely see needs for our for mobility for our low 1972 01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:30,760 -income workforce 1973 01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:34,710 that's something that comes up a lot and I was surprised 1974 01:37:34,710 --> 01:37:35,199 that I 1975 01:37:36,079 --> 01:37:38,590 Thought since we I guess I thought since we were having the 1976 01:37:38,590 --> 01:37:41,319 meeting at DCTA that DCTA was applying for it 1977 01:37:41,319 --> 01:37:43,800 but what I guess that's 1978 01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:46,920 May I'll get I'll get with that Christina Brevard and 1979 01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:51,880 Michelle Bloomer who handles their bus their bus bus 1980 01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:54,520 operations and see what? 1981 01:37:55,359 --> 01:37:58,770 See how we can better engage in that process. Well also in 1982 01:37:58,770 --> 01:38:00,119 span of different 1983 01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:03,560 Is that separate from Louisville? I 1984 01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:06,039 Don't know 1985 01:38:06,039 --> 01:38:08,989 Span is just a dentin organization because they get human 1986 01:38:08,989 --> 01:38:09,840 services money 1987 01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:12,659 There's also a spit you said span and Louisville got 1988 01:38:12,659 --> 01:38:15,619 somebody so we need to make sure that span and dentin is 1989 01:38:15,619 --> 01:38:16,720 aware that this is 1990 01:38:17,399 --> 01:38:18,680 possible 1991 01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:19,960 And so to that point 1992 01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:23,819 I mean we have data now with our point-in-time count with 1993 01:38:23,819 --> 01:38:26,880 homelessness issue and also low-income that 1994 01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:30,590 Transportation is the number one biggest issue that is 1995 01:38:30,590 --> 01:38:33,180 preventing people from working 1996 01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:37,050 So if they need that data, I mean it's out there right now, 1997 01:38:37,050 --> 01:38:38,699 especially for our city 1998 01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:43,430 Yeah, I'm thinking maybe we just need to have a little bit 1999 01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:46,149 more better coordination between what some of our social 2000 01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:47,039 needs are and 2001 01:38:47,039 --> 01:38:49,039 then and DCTA and 2002 01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:52,560 The funding opportunities that are available. So just a way 2003 01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:54,479 to bring that all together 2004 01:38:55,279 --> 01:38:58,359 And I feel like I dropped the ball as well. So mea culpa 2005 01:39:14,079 --> 01:39:16,079 For the smaller 2006 01:39:21,039 --> 01:39:27,720 Joint access reverse community programs and whatnot and if 2007 01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:31,079 the money is not applied for and/or given 2008 01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:36,000 So you want me to start over 2009 01:39:37,239 --> 01:39:39,039 Yeah 2010 01:39:39,039 --> 01:39:41,039 All right, I'll be more succinct 2011 01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:45,500 This is a subset of the money that was allocated to the 2012 01:39:45,500 --> 01:39:48,060 three transit organizations the D the T 2013 01:39:48,319 --> 01:39:52,529 Dart and DCTA and it's sub allocated to let these look 2014 01:39:52,529 --> 01:39:54,340 smaller entities have a shot 2015 01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:57,289 The lights the lights tell on but I think you have your mic 2016 01:39:57,289 --> 01:39:59,560 on you might want to pull your mic closer to 2017 01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,180 Okay, I'm not repeating it. Okay 2018 01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:08,649 And the thing is is if the the subset group that it's in 2019 01:40:08,649 --> 01:40:11,079 that area for DCTA doesn't apply for those funds 2020 01:40:11,079 --> 01:40:13,279 They simply just go back to DCTA 2021 01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:17,199 So DCTA is not the ones that would be the spans and the 2022 01:40:17,199 --> 01:40:21,479 smaller organizations and and not to put a too final point 2023 01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:24,109 On it, but the the transit agencies are actually hoping 2024 01:40:24,109 --> 01:40:25,979 that a lot of these folks don't apply 2025 01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:29,949 So the money comes back to them for theirs their use is is 2026 01:40:29,949 --> 01:40:32,960 this money that would be used for a 2027 01:40:34,039 --> 01:40:37,520 Term that that a lot of the transit organizations talk is 2028 01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:38,680 the last mile 2029 01:40:39,239 --> 01:40:43,750 So people people get to the bus station or to the train 2030 01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:45,859 station. They've got a mile to go 2031 01:40:46,119 --> 01:40:49,420 They have a disability that's a difficult thing to do and 2032 01:40:49,420 --> 01:40:52,239 that this would help find getting them to that line 2033 01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:54,359 And you're in your jar product program is 2034 01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:58,989 The last mile going to work and getting home right? There's 2035 01:40:58,989 --> 01:41:01,300 a lot of people find they have the ability to get 2036 01:41:02,199 --> 01:41:04,760 Transit to work, but if they are in the middle of the day 2037 01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:06,359 and they have to come home for some reason 2038 01:41:06,359 --> 01:41:08,359 They don't have a way to get back, right? 2039 01:41:09,359 --> 01:41:11,359 Some of the project 2040 01:41:11,399 --> 01:41:13,399 recipients were span obviously 2041 01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:17,640 Of Louisville and then the dart program was a taxi 2042 01:41:18,199 --> 01:41:20,250 Reimbursement program for it was like a voucher program for 2043 01:41:20,250 --> 01:41:22,979 exactly what you're talking about, which is the last mile 2044 01:41:23,399 --> 01:41:27,640 So I'm that helps me understand as usual everything that I 2045 01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:29,960 think is how things work and 2046 01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:32,920 transportation funding is the exact opposite so 2047 01:41:35,039 --> 01:41:37,989 Maybe just brainstorming about how we can include our 2048 01:41:37,989 --> 01:41:41,000 smaller organizations that serve these communities 2049 01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:45,270 More into the mix and if I need to do something or maybe 2050 01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:47,319 reach out happy to do it 2051 01:41:47,319 --> 01:41:50,020 I just I guess I didn't realize that all those people at 2052 01:41:50,020 --> 01:41:53,279 the meeting weren't gonna apply for them for the funds 2053 01:41:54,159 --> 01:41:56,720 They've got the funds. They're hoping nobody else applies 2054 01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:57,079 for them 2055 01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:01,729 Okay, well there are there's some community groups there. 2056 01:42:01,729 --> 01:42:02,680 Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry 2057 01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,060 Yeah, it was a community groups meeting and there were a 2058 01:42:05,060 --> 01:42:05,279 lot 2059 01:42:05,279 --> 01:42:08,039 There's a lot of catching and needs that weren't being met 2060 01:42:08,039 --> 01:42:09,720 and so I was just surprised 2061 01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:12,670 So I think maybe we need to kind of step in and help in 2062 01:42:12,670 --> 01:42:15,739 some way connect the dots for for community groups in the 2063 01:42:15,739 --> 01:42:16,000 future 2064 01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:18,840 So this is the 13 minute warning 2065 01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:24,640 Thank you that was very helpful I appreciated that more 2066 01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:27,720 insight than I've gotten on RTC meetings 2067 01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:34,819 So we still have a few left on staff reports like the DCTA 2068 01:42:34,819 --> 01:42:38,380 pedestrian bridge and that who's going to do that 2069 01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:54,170 So mr. Chair on on the update on the pedestrian bridge you 2070 01:42:54,170 --> 01:42:55,960 had requested as part of a 2071 01:42:57,199 --> 01:43:00,800 The matrix back in June just an update on that particular 2072 01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,359 project I did in the backup as stated 2073 01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:07,619 DCTA is moving forward with a with a text out grant to 2074 01:43:07,619 --> 01:43:10,720 connect basically from Swisher down to Kelton 2075 01:43:11,159 --> 01:43:13,079 which is 2076 01:43:13,079 --> 01:43:15,960 Just just on the north side of the bridge on the east side 2077 01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:16,520 of 35 2078 01:43:17,279 --> 01:43:20,640 So that's south of town south of south side of Lake Dallas 2079 01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:22,899 and then kind of through Hickory Creek 2080 01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:25,960 on the east side of 35 2081 01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:30,579 That's that's part of a text dot grant through DCTA. They 2082 01:43:30,579 --> 01:43:33,899 're in the process of constructing that then as part of the 2083 01:43:34,359 --> 01:43:36,359 35 Express project 2084 01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:38,960 that that 2085 01:43:39,039 --> 01:43:41,920 Hiking bike trail be picked up there at Kelton just on the 2086 01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:42,680 south side of Kelton 2087 01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:45,979 It'll take it across the bridge or across the lake on the 2088 01:43:45,979 --> 01:43:47,579 existing bridge 2089 01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:50,920 To the to the Lake Louisville 2090 01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:54,869 Highland Village station do we know when that's going to be 2091 01:43:54,869 --> 01:43:55,720 completed? 2092 01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:59,000 the 2093 01:44:01,239 --> 01:44:02,600 The bridge structure they've opened the frontage roads now 2094 01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:06,140 and they're just finishing the the screening walls on each 2095 01:44:06,140 --> 01:44:08,680 section and then so they're saying that 2096 01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:12,859 by end of September the shared use path will be open there 2097 01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:16,359 They're not they're doing the non transportation 2098 01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:20,600 Related items last because they're 58 days behind schedule 2099 01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:22,520 but 2100 01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:25,600 We think that by the end of September that that shared use 2101 01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:28,479 path will be open is the shared use path on both 2102 01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:31,229 The southbound and northbound or is it just on one correct? 2103 01:44:31,229 --> 01:44:31,840 It's on both sides 2104 01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:34,789 Okay, and there's a 14 foot outside lane on the fringe road 2105 01:44:34,789 --> 01:44:37,279 for any of those brave enough to ride a bicycle there 2106 01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:39,560 I'm not 2107 01:44:42,399 --> 01:44:44,100 Move on 2108 01:44:44,100 --> 01:44:46,100 The other the other item then 2109 01:44:46,340 --> 01:44:50,260 Item three is just a notice of the public meeting on FM 18 2110 01:44:50,260 --> 01:44:52,239 30 for next Tuesday 2111 01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:54,760 Tuesday yet the 2112 01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:58,300 26th and this is for the widening of 1830 from two lanes to 2113 01:44:58,300 --> 01:45:01,079 four with 12 foot lanes and 10 foot shoulders 2114 01:45:01,079 --> 01:45:04,130 It's a actual widening not the resurfacing that's going on 2115 01:45:04,130 --> 01:45:06,760 now and that public meeting is when and where? 2116 01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:12,000 It is on the 26th and it is at Harpal Middle School 2117 01:45:13,119 --> 01:45:15,239 6 p.m. 6 p.m. To 8 p.m 2118 01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:18,920 Okay 2119 01:45:21,239 --> 01:45:24,760 And for the matrix on the matrix just quickly wanted to run 2120 01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:26,659 run through these on item to 2121 01:45:27,199 --> 01:45:30,840 UNT parking meters that project was completed we 2122 01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:34,779 We had to add some additional signage on the south side of 2123 01:45:34,779 --> 01:45:37,119 Hickory between Welch and and Fry Street 2124 01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:39,760 But that was completed as of yesterday. So 2125 01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:44,789 Everything is in place as of now. We also had as part of 2126 01:45:44,789 --> 01:45:44,960 that 2127 01:45:45,359 --> 01:45:50,159 we preserved a number about six parking meter poles and 2128 01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:52,680 added some bicycle 2129 01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,300 Bicycle racks to those so that we could basically allow 2130 01:45:57,300 --> 01:46:00,359 upwards to two bikes on each of those 2131 01:46:01,039 --> 01:46:03,149 Parking meter poles that was a suggestion of one of the 2132 01:46:03,149 --> 01:46:03,720 stakeholders 2133 01:46:04,399 --> 01:46:07,800 In the area to to encourage some additional bike parking in 2134 01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:08,439 the area 2135 01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:12,050 So we'll continue to work with UNT in terms of enforcement 2136 01:46:12,050 --> 01:46:14,279 of parking in that area and get some data 2137 01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:18,800 Report that back at the end of the year in terms of 2138 01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:22,640 How well that's working how quickly or how efficiently? 2139 01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:25,199 vehicles are 2140 01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:27,399 rotating or cycling through those parking spots 2141 01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:29,920 Yes, ma'am 2142 01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:34,550 And is there a chance to to also maybe do something a pilot 2143 01:46:34,550 --> 01:46:36,359 program on the bike? 2144 01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:40,819 Bicycles there on that bike lane to get data to go along at 2145 01:46:40,819 --> 01:46:41,720 the same time 2146 01:46:42,279 --> 01:46:46,550 So we was we looked into that or initiated that process 2147 01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:48,720 Julie. Do you have an update on that? 2148 01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:51,560 Yeah 2149 01:46:58,039 --> 01:47:01,899 Yeah, it's definitely it's possible to do it for cheap I 2150 01:47:01,899 --> 01:47:04,640 mean it's relatively cheap and just be paint 2151 01:47:06,039 --> 01:47:08,039 Just some slight concerns about 2152 01:47:09,159 --> 01:47:11,199 Reaching out to the businesses, you know, we told them 2153 01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:13,100 there's not gonna be a bike lane there right now if we do 2154 01:47:13,100 --> 01:47:14,279 it as a pilot 2155 01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:17,359 What's the feedback going to be from those business owners? 2156 01:47:18,039 --> 01:47:20,039 So just some issues we need to work 2157 01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:24,039 Forward with before we move forward with doing a pilot 2158 01:47:24,039 --> 01:47:24,720 program 2159 01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:28,250 Well, I would think that for the businesses it would be 2160 01:47:28,250 --> 01:47:31,039 beneficial because they would actually have real data to 2161 01:47:31,039 --> 01:47:32,500 compare to like 2162 01:47:32,500 --> 01:47:35,560 Does this really affect my business or not or you know, 2163 01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:38,380 does it help it does it you know, and that would be 2164 01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:43,479 Easy easier for council to to make that call knowing those 2165 01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:46,399 numbers. So it was just a 2166 01:47:48,359 --> 01:47:50,359 An idea. Yeah 2167 01:47:54,039 --> 01:47:55,149 Regarding the matrix it said that I'm looking on the matrix 2168 01:47:55,149 --> 01:47:59,800 saying we were gonna get some information in this month 2169 01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:04,079 I don't know parking in front of DCTA bus shelters, correct 2170 01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:09,550 We've taken that item to award with the legal department to 2171 01:48:09,550 --> 01:48:13,319 change the code and some modifications 2172 01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:15,720 for the authority of the 2173 01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:19,880 traffic engineer to impose parking restrictions currently 2174 01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:22,829 the traffic engineer has authority to impose parking 2175 01:48:22,829 --> 01:48:23,840 restrictions for 2176 01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:27,529 in front of trash cans in front of other places that are 2177 01:48:27,529 --> 01:48:30,359 needed throughout the city for access purposes 2178 01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:35,239 so as part of that I talked to legal and they said the 2179 01:48:35,239 --> 01:48:36,800 easiest and the best way to 2180 01:48:38,159 --> 01:48:41,220 Implement this without getting into whole ordinance or our 2181 01:48:41,220 --> 01:48:44,359 big change was to add bus stops 2182 01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:47,760 Within that whole language and that would resolve the issue 2183 01:48:48,159 --> 01:48:52,069 We can look at it case by case basis and actually implement 2184 01:48:52,069 --> 01:48:54,640 it where wherever it's necessary 2185 01:48:55,079 --> 01:48:59,270 So we've taken that to traffic safety. They've recommended 2186 01:48:59,270 --> 01:49:01,319 to move forward with the 2187 01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:06,079 suggestion of modifying the ordinance chapter 18 2188 01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:10,029 Of the code and then I'll bring it to council in the 2189 01:49:10,029 --> 01:49:12,960 October 10th meeting. Okay 2190 01:49:15,039 --> 01:49:17,350 Do we have any members that have any concerns on the 2191 01:49:17,350 --> 01:49:18,800 current matrix 2192 01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:22,329 Questions on the current matrix. I do know that I think 2193 01:49:22,329 --> 01:49:25,880 someone Mario you were gonna do a little presentation on 2194 01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:26,920 that last item 2195 01:49:29,079 --> 01:49:33,460 Okay, we've been receiving it messages emails around about 2196 01:49:33,460 --> 01:49:34,439 Hickory 2197 01:49:35,199 --> 01:49:38,840 Lately, this is a I think what that those emails are about 2198 01:49:41,319 --> 01:49:43,319 The last one yeah 2199 01:49:45,319 --> 01:49:46,520 Um 2200 01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:49,819 Hang on a second. We have five minutes left. Yeah, unless 2201 01:49:49,819 --> 01:49:52,239 you can do it really quick. I can go real fast 2202 01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:55,359 Okay, because we need some time for I don't sure future 2203 01:49:55,359 --> 01:49:55,760 agenda 2204 01:49:56,479 --> 01:49:59,460 The bottom line is the Hickory Street improvement project. 2205 01:49:59,460 --> 01:50:02,239 It's about to kick off in January of next year 2206 01:50:02,239 --> 01:50:04,529 And so one of the things that has been brought to our 2207 01:50:04,529 --> 01:50:05,119 attention 2208 01:50:05,800 --> 01:50:08,239 By the oak Hickory historic district is is there an 2209 01:50:08,239 --> 01:50:10,840 opportunity for the city to consider? 2210 01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:15,300 Adding some or working with that with with that group of 2211 01:50:15,300 --> 01:50:17,800 incorporating some sidewalk improvements along with 2212 01:50:18,039 --> 01:50:20,920 The decorative lighting that they have on Oak Street if you 2213 01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:24,159 drive down Hickory the decorative lighting is on the south 2214 01:50:24,159 --> 01:50:24,439 side 2215 01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:27,560 But there's not any on the north side and if you drive down 2216 01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:27,840 oak 2217 01:50:28,039 --> 01:50:31,569 That that decorative lighting is zig-zagged across across 2218 01:50:31,569 --> 01:50:33,319 the street. I believe there is 2219 01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:37,859 Believe 10 to 12 lights across that corridor and they'd 2220 01:50:37,859 --> 01:50:41,359 like to replicate that very same look and feel on Hickory 2221 01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:44,420 The issue with Hickory is there's a very little lip. There 2222 01:50:44,420 --> 01:50:46,439 's a very little room on the north side 2223 01:50:47,159 --> 01:50:51,430 However, Hickory is a slightly slightly wider than oak. So 2224 01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:54,039 before we go into construction 2225 01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:57,439 The thought is could we through the engineering department 2226 01:50:57,439 --> 01:50:58,119 look at? 2227 01:50:59,039 --> 01:51:00,520 Hickory 2228 01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:03,479 With the potential of shrinking the width of the road to 2229 01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:06,649 incorporate room to allow for the decorative lighting and 2230 01:51:06,649 --> 01:51:08,260 the sidewalk improvements 2231 01:51:08,260 --> 01:51:11,800 And so before we went to construction, we've met out on 2232 01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:13,520 site with our design team 2233 01:51:14,399 --> 01:51:16,949 Engineering team to see what options we could have and that 2234 01:51:16,949 --> 01:51:18,199 's that's what they're doing 2235 01:51:18,199 --> 01:51:21,250 Now is seeing what options are available what that would be 2236 01:51:21,250 --> 01:51:22,720 from a cost perspective 2237 01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,359 What would it be from a timing perspective with the 2238 01:51:25,359 --> 01:51:28,460 improvement so that we don't lose too much time if there is 2239 01:51:28,460 --> 01:51:28,720 that? 2240 01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:31,079 If that is a case 2241 01:51:31,079 --> 01:51:33,560 So we wanted to bring it to the to the committee's 2242 01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:36,170 attention to see if you want us to continue continue with 2243 01:51:36,170 --> 01:51:37,560 that process of vetting 2244 01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:39,760 Before we go any further 2245 01:51:40,079 --> 01:51:42,079 I'm good with it 2246 01:51:42,079 --> 01:51:45,270 But I would be concerned about making the Hickory Street 2247 01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:46,039 more narrow 2248 01:51:46,760 --> 01:51:48,760 and losing the bike lane 2249 01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:51,920 Now if you wanted to consider 2250 01:51:52,319 --> 01:51:56,079 making the travel lanes more narrow and creating a 2251 01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:59,159 buffer between the bike lane and the 2252 01:52:00,399 --> 01:52:03,350 Auto lanes and using that buffer is a place to put those 2253 01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:04,479 street lights 2254 01:52:05,199 --> 01:52:07,199 I could I could really 2255 01:52:08,319 --> 01:52:10,840 Work up a lot of enthusiasm for something like that 2256 01:52:12,159 --> 01:52:14,180 We'll look at those options again. It's just to bring it to 2257 01:52:14,180 --> 01:52:15,159 your attention 2258 01:52:18,720 --> 01:52:20,880 Yeah, I'm good with looking at options 2259 01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:23,960 All right 2260 01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:28,069 Then items for concluding items and where we'd be looking 2261 01:52:28,069 --> 01:52:31,000 at things to consider on the next meeting 2262 01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:34,619 On our next agenda. We need to have an election for the 2263 01:52:34,619 --> 01:52:36,279 chair and the vice chair 2264 01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:40,020 I'm chairing this because I was vice chair and we need to 2265 01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:40,880 get that done 2266 01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:45,359 Let's get a fuller report on 2267 01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:49,960 Timing 2268 01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:54,310 Signal sequencing what all is involved where we're focusing 2269 01:52:54,310 --> 01:52:54,520 on 2270 01:52:55,079 --> 01:52:59,289 Doing those projects and in anticipation of when we might 2271 01:52:59,289 --> 01:53:00,239 see that happen 2272 01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:07,250 There was some time back we had heard some information 2273 01:53:07,250 --> 01:53:07,739 about 2274 01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:12,479 Not interested in necessarily 2275 01:53:13,159 --> 01:53:16,460 enforcing the the parking rules saying you can't park 2276 01:53:16,460 --> 01:53:16,800 within 2277 01:53:17,319 --> 01:53:20,949 20 feet of an intersection or a stop sign that we were 2278 01:53:20,949 --> 01:53:23,119 going to put up some signage instead 2279 01:53:23,319 --> 01:53:25,859 To educate people that you're not supposed to do that 2280 01:53:26,399 --> 01:53:29,510 Let's give it a report back on on where we are in that 2281 01:53:29,510 --> 01:53:30,239 process 2282 01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:32,920 Other items. Yes, ma'am 2283 01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:34,800 Okay, so 2284 01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:36,800 there is not a 2285 01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:40,359 Crossing signal at McKinney and Mayhill and I know that 2286 01:53:40,359 --> 01:53:43,039 both of those roads are going to be redone 2287 01:53:43,039 --> 01:53:46,340 But I was standing there at a red light trying watching 2288 01:53:46,340 --> 01:53:47,840 children tried to cross 2289 01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:52,000 After school and I would looked up and realized there's not 2290 01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:53,840 even anything there 2291 01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:55,880 for them to 2292 01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:59,569 Cross at that intersection and so that was really shocking 2293 01:53:59,569 --> 01:53:59,859 to me 2294 01:53:59,859 --> 01:54:02,739 and I don't know if we've just been waiting and waiting and 2295 01:54:02,739 --> 01:54:04,960 waiting to do anything until the roads are 2296 01:54:07,239 --> 01:54:08,659 Getting improved 2297 01:54:08,659 --> 01:54:12,130 Reconstructed but it's I just like for us to look to see if 2298 01:54:12,130 --> 01:54:13,880 there's something we can do right now 2299 01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:16,899 I mean kids were just like giving up and walking in between 2300 01:54:16,899 --> 01:54:19,359 cars as they were stopped at a red light and 2301 01:54:21,119 --> 01:54:24,520 So stop to the stop sign, yeah, no the red light at 2302 01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:27,079 Mayhill and 2303 01:54:27,079 --> 01:54:30,960 McKinney there's it's an intersection right? It's like busy 2304 01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:33,159 and there's there's nothing 2305 01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:35,920 and so 2306 01:54:38,319 --> 01:54:39,520 Sorry 2307 01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:42,680 So you're looking for some pedestrian crossing pedestrian 2308 01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:46,279 signal at that intersection. Is that what you're something 2309 01:54:46,279 --> 01:54:47,920 we can do in the meantime 2310 01:54:50,399 --> 01:54:54,170 Pedestrian signal for crossing. Yeah, right. I mean, I'm 2311 01:54:54,170 --> 01:54:55,039 sure that when those 2312 01:54:55,960 --> 01:54:58,420 Intersections when the intersection is upgraded there's 2313 01:54:58,420 --> 01:55:01,310 gonna be quite a bit of stuff there. But when we're looking 2314 01:55:01,310 --> 01:55:02,359 at the McKinney 2315 01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:06,239 Design, I know we were gonna look at something for sidewalk 2316 01:55:06,239 --> 01:55:06,800 s first 2317 01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:10,720 So maybe we can get that incorporated as well, too 2318 01:55:11,319 --> 01:55:16,489 And an update on the green ribbons project or program with 2319 01:55:16,489 --> 01:55:17,680 landscaping 2320 01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:20,850 I I don't know if that's is that our department or this 2321 01:55:20,850 --> 01:55:21,600 committee 2322 01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:24,250 It was mentioned that that's who takes care of the 2323 01:55:24,250 --> 01:55:26,539 landscape through the parks department 2324 01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:28,720 Okay 2325 01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:30,520 Okay 2326 01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:32,520 No, I'm good. Let's see our go 2327 01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:36,970 If we could bring back the bike lanes on Hickory discussion 2328 01:55:36,970 --> 01:55:40,300 as a part of this larger Hickory Street options 2329 01:55:40,300 --> 01:55:43,710 I'd like to go ahead and start moving that along. Are you 2330 01:55:43,710 --> 01:55:44,359 talking about? 2331 01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:48,189 Where they already are or no the new bike lanes that we had 2332 01:55:48,189 --> 01:55:49,840 talked about we tabled 2333 01:55:50,600 --> 01:55:53,140 Okay as a council so but 2334 01:55:54,439 --> 01:55:56,699 Along the University of North Texas campus. Yes 2335 01:55:57,720 --> 01:55:59,520 Fry Street area. Yes, okay 2336 01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:02,819 And especially as it relates to how we're gonna configure H 2337 01:56:02,819 --> 01:56:03,800 ickory Street 2338 01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:07,470 Just the next block over like to understand that as a 2339 01:56:07,470 --> 01:56:08,840 complete project 2340 01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:16,539 For the next meeting if we could have a specific discussion 2341 01:56:16,539 --> 01:56:16,960 about 2342 01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:21,100 Dedicating funds for sidewalks and creating a dedicated 2343 01:56:21,100 --> 01:56:21,920 sidewalk fund 2344 01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:25,579 And where that money might come from just note 2345 01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:29,270 there's I think eight hundred forty thousand dollars that 2346 01:56:29,270 --> 01:56:31,079 we found in this budget cycle that would probably be 2347 01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:33,840 available I 2348 01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:35,840 remember when we find money 2349 01:56:38,039 --> 01:56:43,119 And then maybe as a part of that sidewalk discussion a 2350 01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:47,020 Top three list of the most important or high priority 2351 01:56:47,020 --> 01:56:50,600 sidewalks that you already have on file and 2352 01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:54,130 What that might cost so that we have just a discussion 2353 01:56:54,130 --> 01:56:58,000 about what that funding needs to look like going forward 2354 01:56:58,720 --> 01:57:00,520 with examples 2355 01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:03,989 Okay, just we gotta go. Okay. One last thing I forgot is 2356 01:57:03,989 --> 01:57:04,199 the 2357 01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:07,750 congestion mitigation air quality improvement project 2358 01:57:07,750 --> 01:57:08,659 funding we had 2359 01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:12,619 Sidewalks that we for the schools that we had applied for 2360 01:57:12,619 --> 01:57:15,960 for that and just an update on those please on that 2361 01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:17,960 I have a letter here 2362 01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:20,640 At the next meeting 2363 01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:25,609 Need detail from her after the meeting because it's 1132 2364 01:57:25,609 --> 01:57:28,500 and we're going to adjourn this meeting 2365 01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:31,039 Thank you all. Thanks for the reports 2366 01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:44,500 [ Silence ]