WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.160 Mobility Committee meeting to order. We do have a quorum 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:06.120 present. We're meeting here at the City Hall 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:09.119 conference room 00:00:09.119 --> 00:00:12.550 Council conference room on McKinney Street. Our first order 00:00:12.550 --> 00:00:15.519 of business is to consider approval of the Mobility 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:16.219 Committee 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:21.320 Council meeting minutes from June 13th. I 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:26.579 Will move approval. There's a motion to approve second. All 00:00:26.579 --> 00:00:28.960 those in favor say aye. Aye opposed 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:34.450 That passes as presented. Item B is receive a report hold a 00:00:34.450 --> 00:00:37.280 discussion regarding the federal safe 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:41.359 Safe routes to schools program and the City of Denton 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:44.399 Safe routes to schools program plan 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:47.479 Who's going to be doing this? Mr. Chair, I'd like to have 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:51.189 Julie Anderson our bike and pedestrian coordinator 00:00:51.189 --> 00:00:53.460 facilitate this discussion. Thank you 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:57.600 Okay, good morning council members 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:01.640 We're just going to give you a quick overview of what a 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:03.479 safe routes to school program is 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:07.069 Apologize the slides are a lot of words, but it's really no 00:01:07.069 --> 00:01:09.239 pictures to go along with it. So 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:13.500 First of all, I just want you to know that what a safe 00:01:13.500 --> 00:01:16.400 routes to school program is is dedicated federal funding 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:17.519 for projects that increase 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:19.519 biking or walking ability to schools 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:22.680 These are funded through the various transportation bills 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:25.439 through Congress. So the very first one was in 2005 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:28.909 That was what was called the safety loo transportation plan 00:01:28.909 --> 00:01:32.030 safe accountable flexible efficient transportation equity 00:01:32.030 --> 00:01:34.200 act and legacy for users 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:37.950 That authorized six hundred and twelve million over five 00:01:37.950 --> 00:01:38.400 years 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:41.439 It was then reauthorized for two additional years at 183 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:42.219 million a year 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:45.670 This created the safe routes to school program and it was a 00:01:45.670 --> 00:01:47.760 standalone program for funding 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:50.340 So it was not competing against other projects for active 00:01:50.340 --> 00:01:52.680 transportation for funding 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:58.049 When that bill ran out a new one was authorized in 2012 00:01:58.049 --> 00:01:59.239 called map 21 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:02.189 That was moving ahead for progress in the 21st century. 00:02:02.189 --> 00:02:05.560 That was approximately 8 million each year for two years 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:07.599 It didn't make some changes 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:10.150 It combined safe roads to school with other biking and 00:02:10.150 --> 00:02:12.520 trail projects to create a transportation alternatives 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:13.439 program 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:17.379 Which we refer to as tap so it was competing against biking 00:02:17.379 --> 00:02:20.680 and biking and recreational trails projects at that time 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:26.199 When that bill ran out Congress authorized our current 00:02:26.199 --> 00:02:29.360 transportation funding bill, which is the fast act fixing 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:30.280 America's 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:32.960 surface transportation 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:35.860 So against our current bill is adopted in 2015 00:02:35.860 --> 00:02:41.879 It has 835 million for 2016 and 2017 then 850 million for 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:43.300 2018 through 2020 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:47.000 Some various sort of small changes safe rest of school was 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:49.479 essentially stayed the same way it was 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:53.680 But it did was renamed the transportation alternatives set 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:54.120 aside 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:57.919 It was still competing against other active transportation 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.740 projects and recreational trails projects 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:03.939 But they let it up to the states to decide if they wanted 00:03:03.939 --> 00:03:05.840 to have one call for projects 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:08.590 So all three would be competing for funds or they could 00:03:08.590 --> 00:03:10.199 separate out if they wanted to 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:15.300 So regarding that you said for states to decide so that 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:20.560 835 million then the 850 million that's allocated to states 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:22.439 on some type of a formula basis 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:25.219 Yeah, it's a formula basis based on population 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:30.139 Okay, and then it's administered in states or in Texas by 00:03:30.139 --> 00:03:32.639 what agency or agencies? 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:35.240 Um, so it's overseen federally by the Federal Highway 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:35.500 Administration 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:39.020 Hear us locally. It's by our local MPO 00:03:39.300 --> 00:03:42.500 Which is the North Central Central Texas Council of Govern 00:03:42.500 --> 00:03:44.479 ments an MPO is 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:48.240 Metropolitan Planning Organization, that's where dedicate 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:49.800 that's where federal funds get 00:03:50.620 --> 00:03:53.490 Siphoned through to different municipalities. Okay. Yes, ma 00:03:53.490 --> 00:03:53.599 'am 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:58.080 How many cities are competing for them 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:02.289 I don't know the exact number of cities, but I know for our 00:04:02.289 --> 00:04:05.219 area cog has I think 23 counties 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:08.650 So we're competing against everybody in the North Central 00:04:08.650 --> 00:04:12.699 Texas region. I think that's 16 counties 16. Thank you 16 00:04:12.699 --> 00:04:14.159 counties. Thank you 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:18.089 They separate out between like rural and urban so like 00:04:18.089 --> 00:04:22.290 people in Dallas are competing against little tiny rural 00:04:22.290 --> 00:04:23.360 communities 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:28.639 So cog 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.800 Did have a call for projects in late 2016 for the 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:34.660 transportation alternative set-aside funding 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:38.199 23 million was allocated for our region and these funds 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:40.560 cover the fiscal year 16 to 19 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:43.160 And cog decided they did want to separate separate out 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.019 their call for projects so that safe routes to school would 00:04:46.019 --> 00:04:47.439 not be competing against other 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:49.439 active transportation projects 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:53.149 We submitted applications one for active transportation to 00:04:53.149 --> 00:04:57.079 safe routes to school projects and we were awarded 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:00.589 We will have reimbursement funding for those projects that 00:05:00.589 --> 00:05:01.639 we were selected 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:04.120 for 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:07.399 Can you can you talk about how many other cities are? 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:12.879 Projects were nominated 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:15.040 Yes, I wish I had brought that list 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:18.600 But Denton we submitted our two safe routes to school and 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:22.060 we ranked one and two are both our projects for those that 00:05:22.060 --> 00:05:22.920 got funded 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:26.819 Fort Worth had a several that they were funded for as well 00:05:26.819 --> 00:05:28.000 might have been 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:31.199 20 projects maybe I'm sorry. I cannot remember I did not 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:32.040 print that out 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:36.319 But we ranked one and two for our two projects we submitted 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:39.000 Thanks 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:41.980 Great if people are interested in that list, it's in the 00:05:41.980 --> 00:05:43.120 backup materials 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.810 If they do Google search and agendas safe routes to school, 00:05:46.810 --> 00:05:48.930 it'll come up when you did the presentation to the full 00:05:48.930 --> 00:05:49.339 council 00:05:49.339 --> 00:05:51.870 That's right. It was included as a backup item at a 00:05:51.870 --> 00:05:52.519 previous meeting 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:56.850 So our safe routes to school plan we do have one here in 00:05:56.850 --> 00:05:57.319 Denton 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:01.959 it was was worked on back in 2010 with city staff and 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:06.560 Denton ISD staff so the plan does highlight every school in 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:08.759 Denton ISD and it has potential projects 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:11.920 Here's just a snippet of what one of them looks like. This 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:12.800 is Alice Street 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:15.560 connecting students to 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:18.040 Calhoun middle school right here 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:20.790 Just one thing to note this plan was never adopted and 00:06:20.790 --> 00:06:23.639 funding was never allocated for safe routes to school 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:24.240 projects 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.240 So to my knowledge the city has never 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:29.720 Gone after federal safe routes to school funding 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:31.920 cities can also 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:34.449 Fund their own safe routes to school through you know, 00:06:34.449 --> 00:06:36.120 whatever local programs they have 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:42.100 So did I hear you say that that we developed a citywide 00:06:42.100 --> 00:06:45.439 plan for safe routes to schools and it was never adopted 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:47.720 That is correct 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:50.399 Let's make a note 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:56.379 Well, I couldn't figure out why I asked some people I asked 00:06:56.379 --> 00:06:56.839 around 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:00.949 Bill night at Denton ISD who worked on it. He wasn't quite 00:07:00.949 --> 00:07:02.680 sure the staff who worked on it 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:06.360 The city engineer traffic engineer are no longer at the 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:09.560 city. And so I didn't have anybody to really reference 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:13.000 It may be appropriate for oh, did you want to say something 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:16.600 ? Yeah a quick note as far as I know 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:18.600 I think the issue was that 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:23.490 Denton ISD board did not approve it. It hung around with 00:07:23.490 --> 00:07:25.959 their board for a while. I don't know why and 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:30.019 The draft was never converted into a final document and 00:07:30.019 --> 00:07:33.879 since that didn't happen we didn't bring it to to council 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:34.839 and get it 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:37.560 Through the process, but I don't know what happened there 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:40.860 Is there any notion as to why did we get any feedback as to 00:07:40.860 --> 00:07:42.319 why they didn't adopt it? 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:45.670 where they happy with some parts that we don't know but we 00:07:45.670 --> 00:07:46.680 can push that item and 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:50.439 Make sure that this goes through. Yes, I do know we have a 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:53.720 joint meeting with the district every year 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:56.360 And so this may be something we can put on our agenda to 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:57.279 discuss with them 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.680 And I can say that when we were working on our applications 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:03.240 for the TA set aside 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:07.930 DSD was involved in our discussions. They provided a letter 00:08:07.930 --> 00:08:10.519 of support and Bill Nye at DSD did work with us. So 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:13.439 They were very helpful in getting these the funding for 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:16.629 these two safe routes to school projects. We're straying 00:08:16.629 --> 00:08:17.060 off topic 00:08:17.060 --> 00:08:20.009 I think that we need to maybe on the future agenda put safe 00:08:20.009 --> 00:08:21.759 routes to school plan on 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:24.399 mobility committee meeting agenda 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.040 here if there are any proposed 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:29.879 revisions or updates to it and 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:35.149 And then possibly have this committee make a recommendation 00:08:35.149 --> 00:08:36.039 to council 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:39.360 for approval and 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:43.490 Yes at this point. I think we need to revisit it's been a 00:08:43.490 --> 00:08:44.039 few years 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:46.590 It's been seven years since I was created there are a lot 00:08:46.590 --> 00:08:49.879 of sidewalks and and connections that were pretty in since 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:52.600 as part of our city projects and 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:55.519 That's why all of these 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:58.179 Connections need to be re looked at and revised so there 00:08:58.179 --> 00:09:00.919 needs to be some direction and do you serve 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:05.570 On the committee that that discusses the agenda for the 00:09:05.570 --> 00:09:05.919 council 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:10.639 School board meeting. Yes. Okay, so you might 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:14.269 Yeah, and I was gonna mention also the posting says receive 00:09:14.269 --> 00:09:17.340 a report and hold a discussion regarding the federal safe 00:09:17.340 --> 00:09:18.320 routes to school 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:23.049 Program and the city of Denton SRTS plan. So I think we 00:09:23.049 --> 00:09:25.220 could provide direction on the plan itself 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:28.879 Well, yeah, given that I think he's right 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:33.000 2010 plan seven years old it probably needs revision before 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:34.000 it's 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:36.440 It's passed 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:40.649 By the whole group, but but we certainly need to get some 00:09:40.649 --> 00:09:41.379 updates on it 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:44.620 And and see what we ought to be doing 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:49.649 And I guess Bill Knight is the contact person with he has 00:09:49.649 --> 00:09:50.600 been so far 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:56.100 He's been the good contact anything else on that before we 00:09:56.100 --> 00:09:56.759 let her go on 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:59.980 No, I would just I would just like for it to be updated as 00:09:59.980 --> 00:10:03.639 well. Yeah. Okay, right. This is the end of my presentation 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:05.919 This is all we have of our safe routes to school plan 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:09.000 Said it was never adopted and it was never allocated 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:09.940 funding 00:10:09.940 --> 00:10:12.649 So currently when people request sidewalks that are 00:10:12.649 --> 00:10:14.879 included in our safe routes to school plan 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:18.460 We added to our existing list from our 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:22.679 2014 bond election sidewalk list and we're working on 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:25.350 Reprioritizing that list to include hopefully more safe 00:10:25.350 --> 00:10:27.879 routes to school projects based on a ranking system 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:30.440 Yes, ma'am 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:34.720 So when the original 2010 plan was created was there any 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:36.159 idea of funding? 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:39.840 requirements for certain parts of the plan I 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:44.539 Do not think so. Okay, there are actually there are no 00:10:44.539 --> 00:10:46.320 numbers whatsoever in here 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.480 Yeah, the funding was not identified and so 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:52.320 Can you talk just a little bit about? 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:57.389 how we were able to leverage funding without having a 00:10:57.389 --> 00:10:59.580 dedicated sidewalk fund because 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:04.049 As you explain it to me in order to receive these federal 00:11:04.049 --> 00:11:05.940 80% matching grants 00:11:05.940 --> 00:11:07.940 We actually have to have 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:09.960 earmarked funds for 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:13.399 Sidewalks well not you just have to have the funds for the 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:14.759 project that you've identified 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:18.600 So we submitted to TA set aside projects and we have to 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:19.840 have that money 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:23.039 To pay for those projects doesn't have to be specifically 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:25.000 sidewalk, but you have to have it for this project 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:29.539 So we were able to leverage 20% for these projects because 00:11:29.539 --> 00:11:31.679 of our 2014 bond election fund 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:34.370 There was two there's two million in the 2014 bond for mis 00:11:34.370 --> 00:11:37.879 cellaneous sidewalks. And so we had already 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:41.840 Identified a project that we included in our application 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:45.600 that we had set aside funding for out of that two million 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:47.600 So we're using that as our leverage 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:53.200 So just to kind of go back a little bit had we not had the 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:55.960 bond money allocated already 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:58.919 We would have had to go through the regular budget process 00:11:58.919 --> 00:11:59.899 which 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:03.379 You know, we know what the cycle is of that. This 00:12:03.379 --> 00:12:04.919 application was due in December 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:10.269 Sorry, so that would have had to go through a different 00:12:10.269 --> 00:12:11.240 type of process 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:14.919 Which is why I'm just gonna put this out there 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:18.600 I think having a dedicated fund for sidewalk projects is 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:21.600 really the right way to go for something like this 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:26.210 And mr. Nelson, do we have it seems to me that we've had in 00:12:26.210 --> 00:12:29.039 past in the budget a certain amount of money for 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.399 sidewalks in terms of just 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:33.600 repairs and 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:37.320 Maybe additions as part of the street department's 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:40.159 normal O&M 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:42.759 Budget they they program some 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.190 maintenance funding in there as they go back through and do 00:12:46.190 --> 00:12:49.360 a reconstruction of the street, so it's kind of geared 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:50.159 towards 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:52.840 sidewalks gutters and 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:56.220 curves whenever they do a reconstruction project or how 00:12:56.220 --> 00:12:59.860 they get some one-off complaints on maintenance of sidewalk 00:12:59.860 --> 00:13:00.320 s, but 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:03.840 back to councilmember Baguerre's comments having a 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:07.399 dedicated fund similar or funding source similar to your 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:09.600 bike fund 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:12.029 What we greatly enhance our opportunities to be able to 00:13:12.029 --> 00:13:14.840 leverage when these opportunities come up? 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:23.440 And if there were citizens who felt like that that in their 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:26.460 neighborhood they had 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.519 Sidewalks that were needed in order to get 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:34.919 Children and their parents safely from their neighborhood 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:39.440 to a major street to their school. How would they? 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:43.679 Get get that on the radar screen in order to be considered 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:46.259 as we've revised this 2010 00:13:46.259 --> 00:13:49.559 Yeah, so they can email me as the bike pen coordinator. I 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:52.759 will take those requests. We have a ranking system 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:54.960 We're working on that. We hope to be able to bring back to 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:55.419 this group 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.519 Pre-chams worked on it, and I've been looking at over where 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:00.720 we can rank all of our upcoming sidewalk projects 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:03.240 And then reassess that list 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:07.409 Every quarter possibly to see if we need to perhaps do a 00:14:07.409 --> 00:14:10.440 different project first so that it would include projects 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:10.899 that were safe 00:14:10.899 --> 00:14:12.899 Routes to school they would probably bring higher 00:14:14.679 --> 00:14:16.679 Are we going to need 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:21.600 Some type of dedicated funding to update this 2010 safe 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:24.360 routes to schools plan or can we use? 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.039 some of the $50,000 that's been designated for 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:33.279 updating the the bike and pedestrian plan to to 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:36.039 update this I 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:39.659 Think we probably could use some of that 50,000 from the 00:14:39.659 --> 00:14:42.409 bike plan update. I don't believe it'll be a difficult 00:14:42.409 --> 00:14:42.799 update 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:45.720 staff time really 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:48.039 assessing sidewalks that have been built since then 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:53.759 Please get back to us in our next meeting on that if that 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:57.600 would be sufficient or if we need to maybe direct 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:03.840 Request to council to add some additional funding to update 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:04.639 this okay 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:08.809 And with the request for a dedicated sidewalk fund come 00:15:08.809 --> 00:15:10.559 from this committee 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:15.960 It could come from this committee or it could come from you 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:16.840 know individual guy 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.690 I suspected this committee would be glad to to endorse that 00:15:20.690 --> 00:15:21.899 right yeah 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.409 Yes, well the the projects that were approved recently, I 00:15:31.409 --> 00:15:33.799 guess a few months back the two 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:36.399 Will you come back with us on updates? 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:40.639 Yes, right now. We're just working waiting for 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:44.299 It has to go through the tip and the step and the 00:15:44.299 --> 00:15:47.250 transportation improvement plan for the state and that 00:15:47.250 --> 00:15:48.159 should be in November 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:50.860 And then we'll sign contracts with textile after that so we 00:15:50.860 --> 00:15:53.320 're looking at maybe February or March, okay? 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:56.509 Thank you, and would you since this is the first mobility 00:15:56.509 --> 00:15:57.960 committee meeting that's being? 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.259 Livestreamed and going to be recorded and available to 00:16:02.259 --> 00:16:04.220 citizens to review 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:09.289 Would you remind us the two plans that did get approved and 00:16:09.289 --> 00:16:12.120 where they are what the plan is yeah? 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:14.730 So we submitted for a ginnings elementary and Lee 00:16:14.730 --> 00:16:17.909 elementary so ginnings include sidewalks on Stewart Road 00:16:17.909 --> 00:16:19.240 both sides of the street 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:22.750 That leads right up to ginnings from Windsor and for Lee 00:16:22.750 --> 00:16:25.080 elementary. It's including sidewalks on 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:29.720 believe paisley and Mulkey to get students from the 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:31.480 neighborhood west of 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:34.080 What's that road that? 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.379 Audra thank you Audra to get students across Audra on Pais 00:16:37.379 --> 00:16:38.679 ley to Lee elementary 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:41.879 Okay 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:46.759 All right anything else in on safe routes to schools 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:50.799 Well then thank you very much 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:53.490 Item C is receive a report hold the discussion and provide 00:16:53.490 --> 00:16:56.519 direction regarding the Texas Department of Transportation 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:00.990 35 Express project in the establishment of noise walls as a 00:17:00.990 --> 00:17:02.399 part of the project 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:04.759 Mr.. Nelson 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:06.720 Thank You councilmember 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:10.079 This is a this is a item of particular interest 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:14.289 I know as the project is winding down 35 Express project 00:17:14.289 --> 00:17:16.400 through our community is winding down 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:19.119 There's been some requests for noise walls, and how 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:21.799 How those are justified? 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:24.680 What's the process I've included in the backup? 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:27.680 as well as in a previous 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:30.160 memo to council 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.250 informal staff report on how on how those are established 00:17:33.250 --> 00:17:34.920 essentially it goes through a 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:39.039 Fixed 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:41.279 Environmental process that the state has to follow 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:46.329 And deciding and determining one if a sound wall should be 00:17:46.329 --> 00:17:49.920 placed and then is it financially feasible to place said? 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:53.640 Sound wall if it's justified in our community 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:56.940 There's a series of about five sound walls and and when I 00:17:56.940 --> 00:17:59.400 talk about a series of them in some cases 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:01.920 They're overlapping 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:05.900 Sound walls from one particular location to another along 00:18:05.900 --> 00:18:06.720 the corridor 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:10.539 So that it is in between the frontage road and the main 00:18:10.539 --> 00:18:13.359 lanes, and then as the exit comes through 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:18.839 It'll have to overlap so there is only one sound wall 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:22.700 which is in the report that you have noise wall five which 00:18:22.700 --> 00:18:23.539 is near the 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:27.150 Mergers and Performing Arts Center there along the north 00:18:27.150 --> 00:18:31.000 bound lanes of 35 near University of North, Texas 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:33.000 Just north of North Texas Boulevard 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.490 the other the remaining sound walls the other four sound 00:18:37.490 --> 00:18:39.680 walls are south of that point and 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:44.470 Essentially because the project was financially constrained 00:18:44.470 --> 00:18:49.000 the right-of-way or the required 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:55.279 Additional land for the phase two project 00:18:57.119 --> 00:19:00.900 Was so expensive text dot chose not to acquire the right-of 00:19:00.900 --> 00:19:02.299 -way through the corridor 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:06.430 Although all the right-of-way that is and some locations 00:19:06.430 --> 00:19:08.200 again near North Texas Boulevard 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:10.920 They did have to purchase the entire 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:14.160 right-of-way in other parts of the 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:17.789 corridor through Denton that right-of-way was not acquired 00:19:17.789 --> 00:19:18.359 and therefore 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:23.680 Textod elected not to fund at this point in time 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:28.299 The sound walls again due to the financial constraints 00:19:28.299 --> 00:19:31.349 associated with may recall the project was roughly about a 00:19:31.349 --> 00:19:31.880 four point 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:34.400 four billion dollar project 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:37.720 in 2012 2013 dollars 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:40.869 They moved forward with the one point four they at one 00:19:40.869 --> 00:19:44.640 point four billion phase one project and they're 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.289 Starting the process now as they get to the completion of 00:19:48.289 --> 00:19:50.279 phase one to look for funding 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:53.039 to initiate phase two 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:56.559 so with that I've got John pollster who 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.039 worked with text odd as they 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:05.720 Developed and designed this particular project through Dent 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:08.680 on County who can speak to some 00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:11.769 Detail if you wish on the establishment of the noise walls 00:20:11.769 --> 00:20:13.359 the environmental process 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:17.750 And and maybe the process forward if you have any questions 00:20:17.750 --> 00:20:19.920 , I can attempt to answer those over mr. 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:21.640 Polster so 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:26.180 If you would before we get into that we I have and I 00:20:26.180 --> 00:20:28.960 suppose our other council members here have 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:31.680 received some 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:34.000 emails from folks saying that 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:39.279 previous city attorney city engineer had had promised 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:41.960 sound walls 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:43.960 along I 35 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:46.000 south 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:49.990 East I don't know the roads curving right there of North 00:20:49.990 --> 00:20:51.119 Texas Boulevard 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:54.160 basically to 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:56.160 Mitigate the sound in the neighborhood 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:00.079 Kindle from those streets 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:04.839 south of I 35 in that area is that are those the sound 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:07.240 walls that we're talking about that that were 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:10.039 delayed because of 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:12.390 funding issues in phase one, I think what you're 00:21:12.390 --> 00:21:15.480 referencing. Yes, sir is the noise walls generally for the 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:18.509 Dina neighborhood and then on the other so that would be 00:21:18.509 --> 00:21:21.049 maybe the south south or west side of the interstate in 00:21:21.049 --> 00:21:23.319 that location from essentially 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:25.839 Kindle North Texas Boulevard south 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:28.839 Just south of McCormick Street 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:31.720 And then on the other side roughly 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:36.809 Just south of McCormick Street up to Collier Street on the 00:21:36.809 --> 00:21:40.859 other side, but those are those those two particular sound 00:21:40.859 --> 00:21:41.240 walls 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:45.380 Have been in question in terms of any promises made by a 00:21:45.380 --> 00:21:45.920 prior 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:50.480 City employee. I don't know that I've not seen any 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:53.279 record of that and 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:55.799 In addition to that, I don't know 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:58.559 Where where the authority would be? 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:03.569 In terms of funding that from a city from a city initiative 00:22:03.569 --> 00:22:06.160 because it is a text up project text up funded 00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:08.759 and so I 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:11.259 Don't you know, I think it was made clear from the very 00:22:11.259 --> 00:22:12.720 beginning. We've got some 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:18.000 Had some communication with text on project manager on this 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:18.319 that 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:21.940 That no those those sound walls were never in phase one 00:22:21.940 --> 00:22:22.400 Okay 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:23.759 so we have we have 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:27.119 Email traffic between certain folks in those neighborhoods 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:30.170 and the text up project manager where before the project 00:22:30.170 --> 00:22:31.200 was constructed 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:35.650 They were informed that the sound walls would not be in 00:22:35.650 --> 00:22:37.880 that area part of phase one and 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:40.799 There were some back-and-forth 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:43.640 Reference and litigation and whatnot and they have a right 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:45.480 to do that during the environmental process 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:47.960 You have 180 days once the project is environmentally clear 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:51.700 to file suit if you don't agree with the 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:54.440 recommendations of the Federal Highway Administration 00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:57.920 But one I want to point out is these sound walls were based 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:00.079 on 2035 mobility numbers 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:04.160 So that's what those noises noise walls were justified on 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:06.119 traffic that's going to be there in the future 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:10.279 So two things occurred that three one we didn't acquire the 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:13.359 right away because we couldn't afford it to the state 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:16.240 doesn't have to put in the sound walls until 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:18.079 the 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:20.759 Mobility year or when they construct the project whichever 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:23.750 comes first in this case 2035 or when they build phase two 00:23:23.750 --> 00:23:24.920 the third thing is is the 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:27.759 Walls were between the frontage roads and the main lanes 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:30.599 We the state used to put the sound walls 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:33.400 along the right-of-way line 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:35.799 But the businesses started complaining that nobody knew 00:23:35.799 --> 00:23:38.279 they were there because they're on the frontage road side 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:41.690 All right, and the walls right between them and their 00:23:41.690 --> 00:23:43.019 people driving down the road 00:23:43.019 --> 00:23:45.019 so the state moved the walls to the 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:48.019 To between the main lanes and the frontage road because the 00:23:48.019 --> 00:23:50.299 sound walls are only mitigating the main lanes 00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:52.759 noise not the frontage roads 00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:55.400 so we the 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:58.259 Determination was made that those walls were not warranted 00:23:58.259 --> 00:24:00.890 at this time because we're not moving the main lanes any 00:24:00.890 --> 00:24:01.359 closer 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:04.480 to the residents and 00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:09.900 The project was like Mark said about 4.4 billion dollars at 00:24:09.900 --> 00:24:11.599 the time when we started the project 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:14.220 We only had about one point one and a half billion dollars 00:24:14.220 --> 00:24:16.079 to do the whole project. We ended up getting a 00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:18.599 Tiffy loan for the rest 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:20.640 Getting a what? 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:24.220 Federal loan for innovative financing to cover the rest of 00:24:24.220 --> 00:24:25.680 the 1.4 billion 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.400 Project because we only had about 1.1 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:30.849 The estimated cost of the right-of-way for the entire 00:24:30.849 --> 00:24:34.079 quarter at the time was 1.1 billion dollars 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:36.779 So our choice was go out and buy the right-of-way and not 00:24:36.779 --> 00:24:37.440 do anything 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:40.880 Or find a way to do an interim project with what we had 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:45.230 And so what the state decided and the stakeholders, which 00:24:45.230 --> 00:24:47.380 is the cities along the corridor in the county 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:50.440 That if you were impacted on phase one 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:53.519 That when they went to acquire your property 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:55.720 They wouldn't just require what they needed for phase one 00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:58.119 because they didn't want to come back seven years from now 00:24:58.119 --> 00:24:58.839 or eight years 00:24:58.839 --> 00:25:01.440 And by the rest of it if they touched you they went in 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:03.799 bought all that they needed for the ultimate 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:05.799 But then there was another group of folks that were 00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:08.160 complaining that they couldn't lease their buildings 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:11.130 Or they couldn't keep their tenants because phase two was 00:25:11.130 --> 00:25:11.960 hanging over them 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:16.000 So the state and the county created a phase two voluntary 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:18.039 program where that if you were in phase two 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:21.599 And you weren't needed for phase one or touched by phase 00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:22.960 one. You could still be acquired 00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:27.920 If you so chose and so a lot of folks took up that offer 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:32.400 But it wasn't holistic so there's areas where we have the 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:33.519 right-of-way for phase two 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:35.829 But there's a large chunk of areas where we don't and so 00:25:35.829 --> 00:25:38.119 that's kind of where we got to where we're at 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:40.319 No 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:44.269 Well regarding right-of-way I heard read in the newspaper, 00:25:44.269 --> 00:25:47.400 I'm not sure how accurate it is that there was a 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:52.079 Scheme going on to to 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:55.119 acquire land that was going to be in the right-of-way 00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:58.319 before people really knew about it at a lower price and 00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:02.000 Somebody got got convicted and there was a million dollar 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:03.759 fine. Does that fine? 00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:06.279 Would that fine just go into the? 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.609 Justice system or does that go to text dot to help cover 00:26:10.609 --> 00:26:11.200 the cost? 00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:17.339 I'm unaware of where that money would go 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:21.519 I was very curious, but well, we have an attorney 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:25.750 Maybe she knows categorizes restitution according to what I 00:26:25.750 --> 00:26:27.319 read so it would be 00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:30.119 allocated between the victims 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:32.000 Okay, I 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.839 Don't know. I don't know who the victims are in this 00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:37.960 Seems like one of the victims was text. I write 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:41.430 But it is considered restitution from what I read. Okay. 00:26:41.430 --> 00:26:42.079 Thank you 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:47.009 Mr. Poulter do you have anything else on this topic? I 00:26:47.009 --> 00:26:49.900 think I said we have any any other staff members have any 00:26:49.900 --> 00:26:50.680 information to share 00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:55.240 Questions just for clarification. So on the on the area of 00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:59.400 the Denny a neighborhood. There is not right-of-way already 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:01.440 or 00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:05.359 There is there are some right-of-way right where we did the 00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:07.640 traffic circle and all that stuff 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.220 We had to impact them for phase one, whatever we needed for 00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:11.720 phase two 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.910 We acquired but linearly along the the frontage roads north 00:27:15.910 --> 00:27:17.119 and south of there 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:20.240 The right away wasn't acquired 00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:23.200 And so when you look at the maps you're talking about 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:27.390 Like when it says noise wall to it's actually three 00:27:27.390 --> 00:27:29.480 different walls that go for 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.200 You know hundreds and hundreds of feet 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:36.940 And so the other problem you have if you try to build the 00:27:36.940 --> 00:27:39.380 frontage roads now is the frontage roads remember are going 00:27:39.380 --> 00:27:39.599 to be 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:42.640 Between the main lanes and the frontage roads 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:44.470 So if you build them where they need to be now because 00:27:44.470 --> 00:27:47.670 otherwise they'd be throwaway you would literally block off 00:27:47.670 --> 00:27:48.880 the frontage road 00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:52.519 From the main lanes so nobody would be able to get from 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:54.440 their house to the highway 00:27:55.839 --> 00:28:00.559 So so what you're saying is the plan for the future is that 00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:01.440 when that road? 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:06.000 Is closer to the neighborhood those walls will be built to 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:08.880 protect them absolutely they are in the plan and they have 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:10.279 been environmentally cleared 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:13.990 By the Federal Highway Administration, and if anybody tried 00:28:13.990 --> 00:28:15.240 not to build those walls 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.029 They'd have just as much trouble as if you tried to build 00:28:18.029 --> 00:28:18.839 them too early 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:21.920 You have to build them when the project is either 00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:25.480 constructed or by 2035 whichever comes first 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:29.029 And up until that point the traffic is not going to be 00:28:29.029 --> 00:28:30.599 closer to those homes 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.890 The main lanes are where they were all we did was widen out 00:28:33.890 --> 00:28:36.619 from the center because you'll notice what we did is we we 00:28:36.619 --> 00:28:37.039 came in 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:42.619 To and we took out the median and then we just a little bit 00:28:42.619 --> 00:28:43.500 moved to the 00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:47.519 To towards Dina, but it was inside the existing right away 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:48.799 that takes that currently had 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:51.960 Just wanted to make sure because it is very important for 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.839 us to protect our neighborhoods in those homes 00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:57.720 more so than say, you know some 00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:02.059 Buildings that may be on the opposite side of the street. 00:29:02.059 --> 00:29:04.240 So we university has a better 00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:07.799 Lobbyist than the state does so they made sure they got 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.240 their wall and it's in that wall was put there 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:13.829 Because there wasn't any room anywhere else to put it 00:29:13.829 --> 00:29:14.160 besides 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:16.700 Between the frontage road and the right-of-way line and 00:29:16.700 --> 00:29:19.369 since there wasn't any commercial property there. It didn't 00:29:19.369 --> 00:29:21.480 impact the adjacent property 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:24.839 So that was that kind of lent itself to being closer to the 00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:27.079 edge of the right away just for the design 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:29.319 issues that we were doing with 00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:31.319 Okay. Thank you 00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:38.559 When the road the interstate seemed to be going below the 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:41.839 grade it would seem like a 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:46.680 Sound wall would be sort of like part of the 00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:50.799 Retaining wall system 00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:56.039 But where the road goes above grade like where the highway 00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:58.680 goes over a bridge over McCormick Street 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:04.180 Where does the wall go there right right along the side of 00:30:04.180 --> 00:30:05.140 the interstate 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.819 Typically, it'll go up on the structure. Okay 00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:12.599 But remember the McCormick bridge is a throwaway bridge. So 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:14.400 that's not the actual the permanent bridge, right? 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:17.619 So that's why they didn't do them in that area if they're 00:30:17.619 --> 00:30:18.319 warranted 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:20.589 I don't know if they're wanted typically what happens at a 00:30:20.589 --> 00:30:23.200 cross street though is the approach road 00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:26.039 penetrates the wall 00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:28.500 Right because if you have the wall go across the road, they 00:30:28.500 --> 00:30:29.359 sure get to the frontage road 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:31.359 So once the wall is penetrated 00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:34.480 Then there's no mitigation because the wall the sound can 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:36.839 get around it. And so they go to the next 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:40.240 Benefited receptor and there's a lot in here. I know that 00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:41.400 looks like there's a lot of a 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:44.750 Lot of words in here for something as simple as what we're 00:30:44.750 --> 00:30:45.700 talking about 00:30:45.700 --> 00:30:48.650 But there's a lot of procedural processes that you have to 00:30:48.650 --> 00:30:50.890 follow the feds require you to follow because of 00:30:50.890 --> 00:30:52.039 environmental justice 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:54.039 They don't want somebody get more 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.079 Environmental protection than others just because they have 00:30:57.079 --> 00:30:57.680 more money 00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:01.660 Right. So there's a there's a rigorous process that we have 00:31:01.660 --> 00:31:02.519 to go through 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:05.160 To put these walls where they go 00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:09.339 And they does it all the time and part of the process is to 00:31:09.339 --> 00:31:11.799 make sure that they are effective in doing what they're 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:12.160 intended 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:15.190 Yes reasonable and that's it's in there reasonable and 00:31:15.190 --> 00:31:18.359 feasible reasonable means that it will lower the sound 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:20.799 feasible means that it's 00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:24.859 No more expensive than $25,000 for benefited receptor 00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:28.789 So there may be 70 people out there, but the noise analysis 00:31:28.789 --> 00:31:31.400 only shows that 13 are benefited by wall 00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:35.710 So if it costs more than 13 times $25,000, even though it's 00:31:35.710 --> 00:31:36.920 warranted, right? 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:40.130 From a noise abatement standpoint, it's not feasible from a 00:31:40.130 --> 00:31:42.720 constructability standpoint. They won't build it 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:47.920 Well, I had a question but on that note 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.569 So if it's not feasible, is there a point where a city can 00:31:52.569 --> 00:31:55.400 come in and help make up that difference if it's warranted? 00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:57.960 You can work with them. No, okay 00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:00.710 You can do something off text that right away, right on 00:32:00.710 --> 00:32:01.319 your own 00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:04.680 You the feds can't allow somebody to buy more 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.430 Environmental protection and heat in this region than they 00:32:08.430 --> 00:32:09.480 can in others. It's 00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:12.960 it was back in the 50s and 60s when 00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:15.519 governments and 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:18.160 Jurisdictions used highway projects to redevelop 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:23.839 Low income areas by washing them 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:28.930 so there's there's a there's a lot of laws that preclude us 00:32:28.930 --> 00:32:29.160 from 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:32.839 Allowing some entity to get 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:35.400 to pay their way into more 00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:37.319 protection 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:38.720 Okay 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.240 So you can do whatever you want off text that right away 00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:43.750 Which is in a lot of people use the sound walls and fire 00:32:43.750 --> 00:32:44.960 mountain as an example 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.779 But all those walls that you see out there that are fancy 00:32:47.779 --> 00:32:50.690 neat cool and whatever those are off text that right away 00:32:50.690 --> 00:32:51.559 and paid for by 00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:53.880 the town of Flaramount 00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:59.299 So earlier you meant you said something about that the 00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:01.960 there is a 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.519 Chance for someone to file a lawsuit or to do litigation 00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:07.920 after the environmental clearance 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:13.880 For 180 days. Yes, ma'am. So on this project, how many days 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:15.880 ago was the environmental? 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:18.279 2012 oh 00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:19.400 Okay 00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:23.049 All right. Thank you. It's actually 2011 and then they did 00:33:23.049 --> 00:33:24.440 a reval in 2012 00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:28.680 All right. Thanks. Yes, ma'am. Well for phase two 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:30.920 environmental clearance. I'm sorry phase 00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:34.079 What's the 2024 plan? 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:38.319 So that the second part of I 35 that's phase two phase two 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.279 That environmental clearance and I'm talking about is phase 00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:44.000 two. It's the ultimate 00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.500 So everything that's ever going to be built down 35 00:33:47.500 --> 00:33:50.950 So for example if the state was to drop come in and say we 00:33:50.950 --> 00:33:54.240 just got six hundred million dollars extra money 00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:56.519 But we got to spend it in 12 months 00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:58.569 We got to find something that's already environmentally 00:33:58.569 --> 00:33:59.519 cleared the right of ways 00:33:59.920 --> 00:34:02.490 Generally already acquired or can be acquired. There's 00:34:02.490 --> 00:34:03.319 really out there 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:06.480 chunks of 35 that weren't built in phase one are 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.500 Eligible for those funding because the entire corridor 30 00:34:09.500 --> 00:34:11.599 mile corridor is environmentally cleared 00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.360 So it's ready to go to that next step, which is acquisition 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:16.840 if you need to and then construction 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:21.670 So it's already cleared the the walls are in the braided 00:34:21.670 --> 00:34:24.639 ramp for red developments in the 00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:28.369 The additional managed lanes coming north from the lake all 00:34:28.369 --> 00:34:31.000 the way around to the wishbone up to 380 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:33.880 That's already in it's already been environmentally clear. 00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:36.119 We're just building pieces of it now as we go along 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:41.440 So really the only way at this point to get a sound wall is 00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:42.079 to use 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:46.599 To be off of state right-of-way to be using city right-of- 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:49.900 way acquired city right-of-way and city funded 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.320 And it'd be right on those people's 00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:57.489 Right on the property line and in a wall to work in that 00:34:57.489 --> 00:35:00.079 area to have to be I think some of these are 14 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:01.000 feet tall 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:02.159 Okay 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:04.159 Thank you 00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.250 But that's just if they wanted to do something right now, 00:35:07.250 --> 00:35:07.880 right? 00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:11.940 Correct later in the future later. They got them gotcha. 00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:14.639 Thank you when they're impacted, right? 00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.119 Anything else on this item 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.159 All right, then we will go to item 00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:29.190 D which is receiver report hold a discussion provide 00:35:29.190 --> 00:35:31.280 direction regarding text 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:34.739 Text the Department of Transportation on system projects in 00:35:34.739 --> 00:35:38.719 the area including the 35 Express project. Are we gonna 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:38.920 have 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:42.840 Slides like we normally do here 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:46.719 I don't have that. Can you? 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.679 It would be nice to be able to follow on the screen mr. 00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:58.980 Chiu what I will ask is for this particular item. I'll have 00:35:58.980 --> 00:35:59.800 mr. Polster 00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.519 facilitate that 00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:14.440 John polster is such a retiring and reserved person that 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:17.840 just shy in general 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:23.960 I 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.159 That was interesting 00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:00.360 Miss Anderson what? 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:02.239 lifesaver you are 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:04.590 Maybe that's right. I don't know why it's all great out 00:37:04.590 --> 00:37:05.719 though. That's weird 00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:08.920 That's sort of my world 00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:11.800 Everything great out 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.159 Yeah 00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:42.079 It's waiting to load 00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.159 Oh 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.360 That's just text there we go 00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:20.840 Okay, so the first project you have 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:23.519 there 00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.800 Is 2181 and we just had a meeting yesterday 00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:31.139 This project was let for those of you that haven't been 00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:33.119 tracking this was let 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:38.289 In July 11th to a company called MCM contractors. We are 00:38:38.289 --> 00:38:39.880 still in the process of 00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:42.719 establishing a 00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:45.230 Pre-construction meeting with those that firm we think it 00:38:45.230 --> 00:38:47.719 'll probably be sometime in September and 00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:50.440 as part of the kickoff meeting for the 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.840 Pre-construction project the city will be included in that 00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:58.170 Meeting as well as probably the school district since they 00:38:58.170 --> 00:39:01.340 have some issues that we're dealing with and on that note 00:39:01.340 --> 00:39:01.880 pre Tim 00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:03.880 and I met with yesterday with 00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.079 School district and text that 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:11.349 related to the signal issues at the high school at Geyer 00:39:11.349 --> 00:39:12.159 for both the 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.000 old-alton at the south end plus the 00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:22.909 Crest view Creek view Creek view up to old old Alton other 00:39:22.909 --> 00:39:24.179 old Alton 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.610 And we worked out the logistics essentially the school 00:39:28.610 --> 00:39:32.889 district is going to provide some design work to us for 00:39:32.889 --> 00:39:33.360 some 00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:35.679 interim 00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:38.980 Signals because their schools probably going to open under 00:39:38.980 --> 00:39:40.559 the new configuration before 00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:42.639 2181 is completed 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:45.940 So the state agreed to go ahead and do temporary signals 00:39:45.940 --> 00:39:48.760 and those locations and then the county will be 00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.000 working with tech stock to include the permanent 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:54.920 signal locations for 00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:57.679 the new Geyer 00:39:57.719 --> 00:39:59.960 signal in on the north side and then 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:02.679 pre-tem is submitted a 00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:05.360 signal warrant request to the state for a 00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:09.070 Signal at sundown as well and if we we get those warranted 00:40:09.070 --> 00:40:10.079 in the state of Prusum 00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:13.260 Then we'll include that into the project as well. Mr. Chair 00:40:13.260 --> 00:40:15.880 sundown is right there by the South Branch Library 00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:20.760 So I just keep moving until you tell me to stop 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:23.480 And 00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:26.179 Committee members have a question. I'll be staring up there 00:40:26.179 --> 00:40:27.159 . So just speak out 00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.429 Okay, so you'll note that most of the utilities on this 00:40:31.429 --> 00:40:33.619 project are pretty much complete 00:40:33.619 --> 00:40:36.739 And so there's a little bit work left to do with grande and 00:40:36.739 --> 00:40:39.739 the city of Denton's work is done inside the cost of the 00:40:39.739 --> 00:40:40.320 project 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:43.039 So MCM will be doing the city of Denton's water wastewater 00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:46.139 Improvement so we should have a fairly clean project once 00:40:46.139 --> 00:40:46.760 they start 00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:50.179 Our next project is called Fort Worth Drive 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:54.760 This is the project from basically 35 down to 1830 00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.000 We've been working on this for quite a bit of time. The 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.300 project is fully funded and viral declared the right away 00:41:01.300 --> 00:41:01.880 is acquired 00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:08.090 All the utilities are either under under relocation or will 00:41:08.090 --> 00:41:11.280 be relocated and we are working with the right now 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.800 The Union Pacific Railroad and I'll get down to that 00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:17.829 Note here and the yellow part right here is the critical 00:41:17.829 --> 00:41:18.199 path 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.059 And we basically had to come to Jesus meeting with the UPRR 00:41:23.059 --> 00:41:24.280 back in August 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:27.199 They agreed to a path forward 00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:30.559 They lent us a gentleman that they used to review our plans 00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:33.840 to actually review our plans before we submit our plans 00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:38.960 So that we don't get 161 comments back 30 days later 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:42.590 So we feel like this September 15th submission that we're 00:41:42.590 --> 00:41:44.199 making or we made actually 00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:49.210 To UP is going to get us to a point where we'll have the 00:41:49.210 --> 00:41:50.840 exhibit a which is what we need from the 00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.789 Railroad in order to have permission to let the project 00:41:54.789 --> 00:41:55.599 right now 00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:00.300 You'll see that we have a the ready to let is November 2017 00:42:00.300 --> 00:42:02.280 . That's when we think we'll have the exhibit a 00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:07.219 It can let any time we get it that exhibit a done because 00:42:07.219 --> 00:42:09.760 again all the right away and most of the utilities are done 00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:11.760 and so we're shooting for 00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:15.780 Letting it as quickly as possible once we get the exhibit a 00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:16.000 so 00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:19.679 Hold your fingers crossed on UP 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.039 Working with us on that after nine years and this is like 00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:25.519 all of the projects that you're sharing our text up 00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:26.079 projects 00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:28.239 These are on system text that state 00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:32.760 These are just projects that the city and the county are 00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:35.590 partnering and participating with the state to get them 00:42:35.590 --> 00:42:37.780 across the finish line and they all impact 00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:41.000 folks that travel through and in 00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:44.440 Denton but but state law gives a lot of 00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:52.219 Authority to railroads no, sir. The railroads got their 00:42:52.219 --> 00:42:53.639 authority from the feds 00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:56.760 They were here before there was a state and so they 00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.159 We get our permission from them got it 00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.119 Yeah, you have to have a visa actually to cross over the 00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:05.440 railroad 00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:13.130 On staying any time yes on this particular project do we 00:43:13.130 --> 00:43:13.360 have 00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:17.789 Any control over where the construction would start by the 00:43:17.789 --> 00:43:18.579 contractor? 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:21.960 particularly we're interested at the Hobson 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:24.960 1830 and 377 intersection 00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:28.230 Okay, that's a good point. I'll bring some of that some 00:43:28.230 --> 00:43:29.239 stuff up on that as well 00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:32.219 The answer is is Jay limits you see there's a text that 00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:33.460 construction project manager 00:43:33.460 --> 00:43:37.670 We are working with Lochner on that on a phased 00:43:37.670 --> 00:43:38.360 construction 00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:41.369 So basically what we need to do is that our next task force 00:43:41.369 --> 00:43:41.980 meeting? 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.480 Bring that up and see what we can do to look at what they 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:48.480 're what does the state is going to propose a phased? 00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:51.699 Approach to the project the contract will come back and 00:43:51.699 --> 00:43:52.079 propose 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:54.079 their own and 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.440 That'll be part of the pre-construction meeting and again 00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:58.760 at that point when that pre-construction meeting comes in 00:43:58.760 --> 00:43:59.800 we'll make sure the city is 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.159 At the table as a stakeholder 00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:05.480 But we did include some additional improvements in this 00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:09.000 project interim to the Hobson 1830 connection 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.320 Because we noted that there was a bottleneck that was there 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:14.639 that wasn't going to be addressed by the 377 job 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:18.000 So that was brought up to our attention by your city staff 00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:22.260 that there is a problem there and so the state agreed to 00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:24.159 look at it they found a way to 00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:28.280 To make some improvements to add basically a left turn lane 00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.920 on 1830 for the Hobson folks 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.260 So those the people travel in 1830 can continue on down 18 00:44:34.260 --> 00:44:34.599 30 00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.800 Without violating our environmental clearance. So where we 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.329 added some additional work to try to solve that in the 00:44:41.329 --> 00:44:41.800 interim 00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:45.360 There's an ultimate project on 1830 that's coming. It'll 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:46.880 fix it in its more permanent 00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:50.440 Configuration at that time 00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.110 And again, this project is fully funded and it'll be let as 00:44:54.110 --> 00:44:54.639 soon as 00:44:56.599 --> 00:44:58.989 As soon as we get our exhibit a from the UP, so this is a 00:44:58.989 --> 00:45:00.840 utility status again 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.599 We think we're very close to having everything done within 00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:07.380 the next two months the city of Dittons utilities on this 00:45:07.380 --> 00:45:09.760 project are included as well 00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:15.329 And so they will be part of whatever the contractor is 00:45:15.329 --> 00:45:18.440 selected will be responsible for working with the city to 00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:19.960 install their utilities 00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:22.519 This is 2499 second 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:28.980 It's a charter communications and it says dependent upon DM 00:45:28.980 --> 00:45:29.079 E 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:32.559 So what happens is is charter co locates on DME poles? 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:37.170 So once DME is done and about 25 days later charters done 00:45:37.170 --> 00:45:39.679 because they come in and hang their stuff on DME's poles 00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:44.530 So once DME gets done, they pop on okay, that says 00:45:44.530 --> 00:45:45.920 September 2017 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:49.400 So you said we're pretty on track with those being we meet 00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:50.880 with these guys 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.059 On this particular project we meet every two two and a half 00:45:55.059 --> 00:45:55.559 weeks 00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:59.559 And so we're staying on top of the the utilities 00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:01.840 We have the utility coordinator from the Dallas district 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:04.420 the utility coordinator from the dictionary office and the 00:46:04.420 --> 00:46:06.199 DME folks are usually in the meeting 00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:09.679 Okay when we're we're meeting so we're we're actively 00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:15.000 Tracking this project and is it mainly DME there there's no 00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:18.230 No, they're doing so the water lines have already been done 00:46:18.230 --> 00:46:19.199 . No the water 00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:23.019 The there was some part of the water line thing at 377. It 00:46:23.019 --> 00:46:24.920 was this one or this is not a surface probe 00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:27.239 Can't touch the screen 00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:33.800 Yeah, right there it says didn't waste 00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:40.519 What do you see the Denton it's two lines below didn't mean 00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:42.880 this full electric 00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.199 City didn't what all right. So all this stuff has been 00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:49.389 It says are completed and will be included in construction 00:46:49.389 --> 00:46:51.400 plans plans were submitted to text out 00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:55.809 So in other words who ever bids on the 377 job, they're 00:46:55.809 --> 00:46:59.199 also bidding on the city of Denton's water wastewater and 00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.760 I 00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:05.289 Can't remember one of these we did a fixed cost and the 00:47:05.289 --> 00:47:07.619 other one we did a fixed cost after 00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:12.039 The contractor comes in and says this is what it costs 00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:14.650 So we tried to give the city as much protection as we could 00:47:14.650 --> 00:47:17.360 from a contractor trying to jerk you around 00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:23.900 Anything else that I don't answer that I did it. Thank you. 00:47:23.900 --> 00:47:23.960 I 00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:27.840 Don't feel like I did and just for the benefit of people 00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:31.079 who are who are maybe watching this live streaming. Mr 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.079 Polster is a consultant 00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:35.920 for the city of Denton 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.119 and he represents us in 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.309 work with text dot and with the North Central Texas Council 00:47:43.309 --> 00:47:47.199 of Governments and so when he's talking and what and 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:49.840 the county he's also 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:52.869 Has a separate contract with the county. So most of the 00:47:52.869 --> 00:47:57.039 folks here basically inherited me from previous cycles 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:04.280 Okay, 2499 section a redheaded stepchild, right? 00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:08.440 Always gives the last 30 days 00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:13.840 2499 section 5 is a section that goes from 2181 to 00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:18.869 Mayhill State School Road if you look at it, it's driving 00:48:18.869 --> 00:48:19.599 me crazy 00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.619 I can cross Robinson that road is there ready to go 00:48:22.619 --> 00:48:24.599 They're just doing a bunch of punch-out items and the 00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:26.360 things that's controlling the project right now 00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:29.670 That moved it to a December is that at that little section 00:48:29.670 --> 00:48:31.519 up in the north where it's blue 00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:36.500 That's the tie-in to 35 where we have a GL doing their work 00:48:36.500 --> 00:48:37.280 on 35 00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:43.500 OHL doing the u-turn for the Brinker Mayhill 288 and Weber 00:48:43.500 --> 00:48:46.840 trying to tie in and locate the signals of that location 00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:48.840 So we're having some conflicts 00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:52.110 Between the three contractors in that one area and that's 00:48:52.110 --> 00:48:52.800 slowing up 00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:56.050 The completion of the project. So if you look at the 00:48:56.050 --> 00:48:57.440 construction report 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:04.760 We're essentially doing finish up paving 00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:08.980 We were supposed to be done in September and all the hards 00:49:08.980 --> 00:49:12.320 cape will be done in September. It's the 00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:18.949 It's the work with the signal and the tie-in to the front 00:49:18.949 --> 00:49:20.000 age road and 00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:24.960 They can't tie in the signals because the signal pole where 00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:26.880 it is now on the inside 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.260 On the inside the frontage road. That's where the u-turn is 00:49:31.260 --> 00:49:31.719 going to be 00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:35.639 so OHL has got to do their work on them on the u-turn 00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:39.119 before whoever can tie into that signal system and 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:41.119 they're not going to go to the 00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:43.679 To the you can correct me if I'm wrong 00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:47.500 They're not going to go to that until they get the water 00:49:47.500 --> 00:49:49.239 line up here for Brinker 00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:51.800 Done, and I think they're behind schedule on that and I 00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:53.559 think pre-ten wanted to say something 00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:56.679 I wanted to say something about the Robinson signal 00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:59.199 Yeah, 2499 and 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:03.989 It's a it's a blessing probably just for the delay because 00:50:03.989 --> 00:50:04.860 now we can actually 00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:08.679 Put in a signal at Robinson. So here's where he's talking 00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:11.760 about that was not included in this as part of this project 00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:15.949 And it would have been if we open up 2499 without that 00:50:15.949 --> 00:50:17.039 signal it would be 00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.670 Especially will especially with all the schools being on 00:50:22.670 --> 00:50:23.599 this side 00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:27.840 And that's budgeted and the 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:34.010 So what we did was is that's the timing issue as long as we 00:50:34.010 --> 00:50:35.920 can get it done for where was completed 00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:38.619 What the state has agreed to do is if the city will just 00:50:38.619 --> 00:50:40.719 provide them with the design 00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:45.349 The state will just change order into the Weber contract 00:50:45.349 --> 00:50:46.260 and where we'll just do it 00:50:46.260 --> 00:50:48.559 so it won't cost this city anything to add to 00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:51.239 The signal to the Robinson because it probably should have 00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:53.920 been picked up anyway. Where are we at the design? So 00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:57.719 What we are done is we're working with text out and 00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:01.119 providing them step by step phase design if you may 00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:03.789 Not not to wait the whole stretch of four or five weeks 00:51:03.789 --> 00:51:06.219 that are needed to complete the entire design 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:09.679 But to give them we've already submitted 60% right? 00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:13.840 Located all the pole locations, which is like the main 00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:17.110 thing is getting the poles located poles located and then 00:51:17.110 --> 00:51:18.000 order the poles 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.239 We could it's a lead item that takes weeks 00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:24.510 So once we have that then we can work around smaller stuff. 00:51:24.510 --> 00:51:26.239 So what he's saying is we're doing this these steps 00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:26.679 concurrently 00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:30.000 Where we're not waiting to get all of those stuff done as 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.480 we get a piece done. We turn it in they take care 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:34.480 We get a piece done. We turn it and they take care of it 00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:37.719 Sounds very unengineering 00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:46.320 So on the the signal so text dot is paying for that and the 00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.840 city is just providing the design 00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:55.380 Okay, and the design was budgeted for seven sixteen seven. 00:51:55.380 --> 00:51:57.920 Okay, and in the process so 00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:02.309 The signal at Robinson will be up and the road will be open 00:52:02.309 --> 00:52:04.559 in December at the same time 00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.119 everything so 00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.840 Tina masses your new area engineer and she is 00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.039 Moving these things in a nonlinear way 00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:19.769 Because she doesn't want to open 2499 without that Robinson 00:52:19.769 --> 00:52:23.119 signal active and she's not going to hold the road 00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:26.340 Right just because the signals aren't open. So we're moving 00:52:26.340 --> 00:52:28.440 heaven and earth to make sure those two 00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.400 schedules G and on 00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:33.159 pre-tems, right 00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:35.480 OHL and a gel have helped us out on that by 00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:39.400 jerking us around up there the signal on mail 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.440 At the at the light one other thing I want to point out 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:47.550 Just you're gonna probably get calls from folks. I believe 00:52:47.550 --> 00:52:48.280 y'all have 00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:50.800 part of 00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:54.460 Robinson east of 2499 for a distance I think 00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:58.340 Little ways it goes what you're gonna have is it goes four 00:52:58.340 --> 00:52:59.960 lanes back down to two lanes 00:52:59.960 --> 00:53:03.539 And then opens back up to four lanes where it crosses 2499 00:53:03.539 --> 00:53:05.679 and then drops back down to its 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.389 Meandering configuration as it goes west and the reason 00:53:10.389 --> 00:53:11.159 that was 00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:15.349 Text that can only go so many feet past an intersection by 00:53:15.349 --> 00:53:17.800 law and it didn't reach that 00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:20.400 200 300 400 feet additional 00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:23.199 so it goes four to 00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:25.599 four to 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:29.159 in that area, so I'm certain somebody's gonna get called 00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:30.280 stupid over that but 00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:33.800 As long as it's not me I'm okay with it 00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:36.840 They always call us to be 00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:41.130 Yeah, so can I follow up on that or not the stupid thing or 00:53:41.130 --> 00:53:42.119 not that part? 00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:46.400 No, so in a situation like that would it be where the city 00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:48.559 comes in after to you? 00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:51.860 They could fix that or in the right away is there you can 00:53:51.860 --> 00:53:54.360 tell that y'all done y'all required 00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:57.280 setbacks and y'all required 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:01.860 Certain requirements that once something develops they have 00:54:01.860 --> 00:54:03.889 build the rest of that road you can tell that's what's 00:54:03.889 --> 00:54:04.300 going on 00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:07.519 If that that northern part just hasn't been triggered yet 00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:11.210 But yeah, you can see that it's the right that's there. It 00:54:11.210 --> 00:54:13.239 's ready to be putting a road on 00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:17.010 So mr. Nelson on our next agenda if you could bring us an 00:54:17.010 --> 00:54:17.599 update on 00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:24.199 If Robinson Road in that area is on any of the CIP plans or 00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:25.880 our mobility plans 00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.800 So we could get an idea as to what's going on there 00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:36.519 You know that's in the south part of town so so it's 00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:38.860 somebody else it's an idiot, you know, maybe that 00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:45.050 No, it's it's all the record I said stupid not idiot. Oh, I 00:54:45.050 --> 00:54:47.440 think you're not supposed to call people idiots 00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:49.760 Well, I get called stupid idiot 00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.289 Because one's never enough for me, okay, this is a new 00:54:54.289 --> 00:54:56.940 project that y'all haven't seen and it kind of falls in 00:54:56.940 --> 00:54:57.920 that stupid idiot 00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:03.119 On 00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:05.119 35 right? 00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:08.150 You know remember it was 2012 it was environmentally clear, 00:55:08.150 --> 00:55:12.139 right? So we weren't really confident it took us 00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:18.170 Three tries to get 2499 65 environmentally cleared years 00:55:18.170 --> 00:55:21.059 ago. And so we weren't really confident. It's a schedule 00:55:21.059 --> 00:55:21.239 and 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.050 Weren't really sure what was going on with Mayhill all the 00:55:24.050 --> 00:55:25.960 way knew that there was funding for it 00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:30.519 So Mayhill bridge on 35 was just left as is all we did was 00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:33.099 scab on to the inside and the outside to make the bridge 00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:36.619 Wide enough for the lanes to go across the top now. You've 00:55:36.619 --> 00:55:37.320 got the substandard 00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:40.650 Substructure with six lanes coming to the south. They'll 00:55:40.650 --> 00:55:43.980 open in December. We're working on Mayhill even as we speak 00:55:43.980 --> 00:55:45.039 to bring four lanes 00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.099 Down which four lanes already exist in this area 00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:51.920 and so we met with 00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:54.159 text-dot and 00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:56.159 we have the 00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:58.199 35 he has about 00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:01.920 361 million dollars in cat to funding earmark for phase two 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:06.619 For the next 10 year period and kept to funding category 00:56:06.619 --> 00:56:08.159 two is federal 00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:11.360 funding that the metropolitan organization 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:16.159 NPO allocates so it's the RTC's money and 00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:19.199 the RTC allocated 00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:23.840 361 million dollars of those federal dollars to I 35 for 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:29.840 Phase two or phase 1b or phase whatever it ends up being 00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.920 And so when we met with text that we said look we want to 00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:36.960 go ahead and start the advanced planning on Mayhill 00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:41.239 Because we've got six lanes coming from the south four 00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:43.590 lanes coming from the north and we want to build the 00:56:43.590 --> 00:56:44.539 ultimate Mayhill 00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:49.219 Underpass like we're doing it 288. So the 288 section under 00:56:49.219 --> 00:56:51.800 35 will be its ultimate configuration 00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:56.070 35 on top of it will be the interim but the underneath part 00:56:56.070 --> 00:56:56.980 will be ultimate 00:56:56.980 --> 00:56:59.519 So that's what we're proposing to do here Mayhill they've 00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:00.019 agreed 00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:03.559 And from the time that this document was printed 00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:06.920 We found out that they're probably going to assign 00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.980 Ltra to be the engineering firm to do the work and remember 00:57:10.980 --> 00:57:12.920 this projects already environmentally cleared 00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:15.800 we're jumping right into the PS&E the design work and 00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:21.159 So a lot of hard heavy lifting has already done on this job 00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:23.840 so this is a new one that we're going to start tracking for 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:24.280 you and 00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:26.920 we've got asterisks in the 00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:29.960 in the document 00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:31.199 the 00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:33.199 environmental clearance will be changed to the 00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:34.320 environmental clearance for 00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:38.039 Ultimate and then text that will put it in there what they 00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:38.719 call their sandbox 00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:40.039 I don't want to call it sandbox 00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:41.969 That's what they call it and then they'll give me a 00:57:41.969 --> 00:57:44.250 schedule for that and then we'll tweak it as we move 00:57:44.250 --> 00:57:44.559 forward 00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:46.360 But we can beat it 00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:48.250 They're going to give us an estimate with how long they 00:57:48.250 --> 00:57:49.840 think it'll take but we can move that 00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:52.409 Schedule along as quickly as we can move that schedule 00:57:52.409 --> 00:57:56.079 along. So what I understood you say is that there's some 00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:57.400 category two funding 00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:02.480 That's associated with 35 project that might be available 00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:04.239 to make that happen. Absolutely 00:58:04.760 --> 00:58:07.440 and that that money is actually 00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:11.630 allocated by the regional transportation council, which is 00:58:11.630 --> 00:58:12.400 part of the 00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:16.719 North Central Texas Council of Governments and we have a 00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:17.960 representative on there, right? 00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:21.420 Correct and the 361 million dollars has already been 00:58:21.420 --> 00:58:24.400 allocated to I-35e and Denton County 00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:29.119 There has not been any plan yet because 00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:32.269 We're still arguing with center over the cost of what the 00:58:32.269 --> 00:58:34.219 revenue stream is off on the wishbone 00:58:34.219 --> 00:58:36.579 We're still waiting for the managed lanes to stabilize and 00:58:36.579 --> 00:58:38.980 what our revenue streams going to be so there's we haven't 00:58:38.980 --> 00:58:40.500 really thought through it yet 00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:43.500 It's going to be difficult to make additional improvements 00:58:43.500 --> 00:58:45.760 in the south because those are all temporary 00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:48.650 Throwaways and the only way to go to the next phase is to 00:58:48.650 --> 00:58:51.329 tear out everything we just built and nobody wants to do 00:58:51.329 --> 00:58:51.599 that 00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:54.159 yet 00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:57.699 So there was a lot of things we skipped over for lack of a 00:58:57.699 --> 00:58:58.400 better word 00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:01.920 North of the lake and so this will be a chance for us to 00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:03.420 come back in and for example 00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:07.550 We bought the right away on the red development the state 00:59:07.550 --> 00:59:10.679 did so they purchased that right away 00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:13.929 That part is already environmentally cleared. So there's a 00:59:13.929 --> 00:59:16.960 lot of desire to make the improvements on 35 00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:20.889 35 where the W&E come together because that's your next 00:59:20.889 --> 00:59:23.920 bottleneck in the city of Denton is that area over there 00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:26.599 So we're looking at making improvements over there. So we 00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:27.159 'll be doing these 00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:29.719 spot improvements on 00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:33.710 35 e in the interim while we're waiting on what the next 00:59:33.710 --> 00:59:36.760 phase of 35 will be and we already got May Hill 00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:39.360 In the hopper, okay 00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:49.860 I guess I'll start doing these as a PowerPoint next time 00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:54.000 Okay, this is your 00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:56.760 Luke 288 Brinker May Hill project 00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:00.599 The 01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:04.469 Utilities by utilities the only utility that's left to be 01:00:04.469 --> 01:00:06.920 relocated right now is the the city 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:10.719 Waterline out there and they're saying they're gonna have 01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:11.900 that completed by 01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:15.460 September let me go look at the utility report real quick 01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:19.949 Hopefully it's on here. No, so it's up here. So that's the 01:00:19.949 --> 01:00:24.000 only utility that's left is the waterline relocation 01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:26.710 So when it says September we're anticipating having the 01:00:26.710 --> 01:00:27.920 city's waterline done 01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:31.360 By September 01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:35.219 And we're looking at you okay, so we're showing you that 01:00:35.219 --> 01:00:38.519 there's a highlighted change in the schedule 01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:43.639 Until the OHL gets done with the waterline 01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:47.039 They've submitted a contract 01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:50.199 schedule change for this project that says they're going 01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:50.519 from 01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:55.619 August of 18 completion to February 19. Obviously that's a 01:00:55.619 --> 01:00:59.320 problem for the city with the adjacent development 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:04.719 Textile is not accepted the February 2019 01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:07.440 Extension they have to negotiate that 01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:10.289 they're waiting till the water utility line gets done 01:01:10.289 --> 01:01:13.239 because that was kind of the basis of the 01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:17.079 conflict or the delay in a project was the some issues with 01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:18.360 the waterline and 01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:22.440 We have asked them for what's called a recovery schedule 01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:24.980 Which means we want them to tell us what they need to do or 01:01:24.980 --> 01:01:28.480 could do to recover back to the August 01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:31.239 timeframe 01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:34.639 So we're reporting February because that's out there and 01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:40.219 In at their world or whatever you call it and we don't want 01:01:40.219 --> 01:01:42.280 people saying we're lying to them 01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:44.280 So it's February is what? 01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:48.619 OHL is saying but textile is not accepted that schedule yet 01:01:48.619 --> 01:01:51.199 . And so we're working on it. Okay 01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:55.780 So are you you're talking about the the connection to the 01:01:55.780 --> 01:01:57.199 other side to Bucky's 01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:00.840 Adjacent development 01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:03.320 The 01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:07.239 Bucky's development is anticipating being open somewhere in 01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:10.039 the August September of 18 timeframe, right? 01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:14.980 The road won't be done by them according to OHL and what I 01:02:14.980 --> 01:02:16.000 mean by not done 01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:18.730 It isn't the brink of bridge will be there. All right, you 01:02:18.730 --> 01:02:20.159 'll be able to go from brinker 01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:24.480 East to brinker west or whatever you want to call it to get 01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:24.760 to 01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:29.409 To the development what you won't be able to do is exit 01:02:29.409 --> 01:02:31.539 from northbound 35 01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:33.480 to 01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:36.869 This location because 288 bridge won't be completed which 01:02:36.869 --> 01:02:38.880 means that the exit ramp won't be open 01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:42.880 So you could get from one side of rinker to the other great 01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:45.840 by the date by the August date 01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:50.539 Potentially, so OHL still has control over when they allow 01:02:50.539 --> 01:02:53.360 part of their project open if it's not open 01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:57.039 If it's not completely constructed. So for example, you see 01:02:57.039 --> 01:02:57.920 2499 01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:01.219 It's essentially open ready to drive on but they're doing 01:03:01.219 --> 01:03:03.400 cleanup and it's still closed. So 01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:06.360 We got to work on that on the recovery schedule 01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:09.809 Yeah before they open something needs to give because the 01:03:09.809 --> 01:03:13.119 way that it is right now is just not not gonna work. So 01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:16.119 It's an underpass correct? 01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:19.920 Yes, ma'am. 35 will go up if you drive the if you're 01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:22.400 driving southbound from 288, you'll see that 01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:23.960 35 01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:28.170 Past southbound 288 drops. So essentially all that we're 01:03:28.170 --> 01:03:29.539 gonna do is hold that grade 01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:32.159 For a longer distance before let it drop 01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:35.699 Do with with Phil and then build a bridge structure for a r 01:03:35.699 --> 01:03:36.480 ink it across 01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:40.400 So it's there's potential for that 01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:44.320 Development to be open in the road not 01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:48.880 Willing to accept extra traffic for an extra seven months 01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:50.199 or so six months 01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:53.440 Can I quote you on that? 01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:58.099 I'm at the question for the people listening who live in 01:03:58.099 --> 01:03:59.559 the right. So that's the problem 01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:03.960 That's okay is that we know that there we don't know if the 01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:06.239 development will choose to not open 01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:09.400 given what we experienced with them at 01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:14.010 the ten year development 114 and 35 w they opened anyway 01:04:14.010 --> 01:04:14.199 and 01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:19.969 We're just now getting the last improvements on the ground 01:04:19.969 --> 01:04:20.760 out there 01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:24.030 Literally in October were finished. So that was a year 01:04:24.030 --> 01:04:24.360 after 01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:27.480 and that was not 01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:31.599 Conducive to good mobility. So we're trying right now. We 01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:32.719 're just reporting you 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:36.389 The bad news up front. We're still believe we're gonna 01:04:36.389 --> 01:04:40.000 recover that schedule to some degree. Okay, I 01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:42.639 Just didn't want to come here and tell you that still 01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:47.059 In 2018 and you hear from somebody else that there you're 01:04:47.059 --> 01:04:50.000 here in 2019. I'm just telling you that upfront 01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:54.039 OHL has told us that this is their schedule and the state's 01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:55.280 not accepting it 01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:59.039 So we're gonna meet with them after the water line is done 01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:00.480 because then they can start 01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:02.780 Fully working on the project because all they're doing 01:05:02.780 --> 01:05:05.840 right now is essentially utility relocations. They don't 01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:07.380 even start on actual the road project 01:05:07.880 --> 01:05:11.500 But all the funding for that connection is in place. 01:05:11.500 --> 01:05:14.530 Absolutely, and there's a good chance that there's going to 01:05:14.530 --> 01:05:14.739 be 01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:18.639 Part of the recovery schedule is 01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:22.119 Either giving them 01:05:22.199 --> 01:05:23.840 additional funding 01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:26.300 Right because we're not going to give them time because 01:05:26.300 --> 01:05:28.239 time is what we're trying to buy back 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:30.679 So there may be a scenario where we have to provide 01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:33.739 additional funding and once we know what that dollar amount 01:05:33.739 --> 01:05:35.199 is then we'll work together between 01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:39.300 text that the county and the MPO to determine the best 01:05:39.300 --> 01:05:40.360 method to 01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:45.920 Cover that cost overrun the water line is a city water line 01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:50.380 Correct. And is there anything that the city? 01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:55.519 Can do to expedite you guys to show up when you're supposed 01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:57.119 to you did what you're doing 01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:59.119 It's just that there were some valves that 01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:04.659 Were older outside the limits of the project that you know, 01:06:04.659 --> 01:06:07.440 nobody knew to go look for so I went to go turn them off to 01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:09.800 to reroute the 01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:14.780 Water they didn't work. So we had to go buy these stoppoles 01:06:14.780 --> 01:06:15.480 or whatever 01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:18.500 I'm way outside my league on this stuff, but they had to 01:06:18.500 --> 01:06:20.400 order them and so it took some time 01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:24.440 but it was it was unforeseen and the city staff was 01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:27.500 Johnny on the spot. They've been out there helping with 01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:31.019 Inspections as quickly as they need to be so OHL didn't 01:06:31.019 --> 01:06:33.760 really apply themselves either. There was a lot of places 01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:35.760 They could have been working 01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:37.800 Other than the water line and they just didn't apply 01:06:37.800 --> 01:06:38.400 themselves 01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:40.889 This is what they did to us on the big project as you're 01:06:40.889 --> 01:06:42.199 coming out of the airport 01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:44.949 Coming up 121 where you see all the where they're doing the 01:06:44.949 --> 01:06:47.119 braided ramps. That's an OHL job - that was supposed to 01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:48.360 been done in July 01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:52.400 And still not completed. So there's just it's their MO 01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:57.530 Okay, and and I'm assuming that someone has notified the 01:06:57.530 --> 01:07:01.639 developer I'm not going to well 01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:04.679 mark 01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:06.949 Can you make sure that somebody knows if I make sure the 01:07:06.949 --> 01:07:09.639 developer they actually talked to me because I'll tell you 01:07:09.639 --> 01:07:10.119 what? 01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:12.880 He has lobbyist 01:07:13.159 --> 01:07:15.949 Okay, so here's the thing. I did talk to him the other day 01:07:15.949 --> 01:07:18.000 because he was asking about this signal at 01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:23.400 For the frontage roads. Okay, so here's the kicker 01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:26.949 We're gonna be beating OHL to give us a recovery schedule 01:07:26.949 --> 01:07:29.099 and not giving them any more time 01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:33.599 but then we're gonna ask him to include in the project the 01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:35.920 signal at 01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:38.670 Brinker that wasn't in the original project because it wasn 01:07:38.670 --> 01:07:39.340 't warranted 01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:43.219 we provided a warrant I think to the city and to text that 01:07:43.219 --> 01:07:44.800 that says that the the 01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:47.639 signal will be wanted and 01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:50.150 We want to include it in the project so that when the 01:07:50.150 --> 01:07:52.630 project's done the signals there and operational because it 01:07:52.630 --> 01:07:53.500 'll help traffic flow 01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:57.199 So we got this kind of that's more money, too 01:07:57.719 --> 01:07:59.920 Yeah, but it's not the money. That's the issue 01:07:59.920 --> 01:08:02.320 It's that OHL is going to take anything we ask them to do 01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:06.000 additional as an excuse to ask for more time, right? 01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:08.559 And that's not what we can't give them more time. So 01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:13.400 It's a it's a dance 01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:16.600 Or knife fight and I can't remember which one it is 01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:19.720 Okay 01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:24.489 And we have about 20 minutes left because we got a I can 01:08:24.489 --> 01:08:27.140 get done real fast. Yeah, okay 01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:32.649 Okay 35 north this is real quick this is there's no really 01:08:32.649 --> 01:08:34.340 update on this other than we're waiting on 01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:37.510 HDR to address some of the comments that we're working on 01:08:37.510 --> 01:08:39.319 for the value engineering study 01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:41.789 this is a project from 380 all the way up to the county 01:08:41.789 --> 01:08:43.100 line widening the project to 01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:48.800 For for a six lane freeway it isn't funded in the region 01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:51.359 but the reason we haven't funded in the region is with the 01:08:51.359 --> 01:08:52.199 region has made a 01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:54.560 strategic decision to allow 01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:57.039 Text thought Austin to come in and pick this up because 01:08:57.039 --> 01:08:59.579 text that Austin said it's their goal by a certain date to 01:08:59.579 --> 01:09:00.399 have 35 01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:03.920 from the Rio to the red six lanes and so 01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:06.680 We're going to give them an opportunity to 01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:09.359 honor their commitment 01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:12.659 But if they don't I'm sure the cargo come in and text that 01:09:12.659 --> 01:09:14.880 and they'll help pick up that project 01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:19.069 but we're looking at the environmental completion of this 01:09:19.069 --> 01:09:20.119 project being done in 01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:25.380 December of 2018. So let's say it does happen in 2018 by 01:09:25.380 --> 01:09:27.319 June July of 19 01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:30.390 If you don't file a lawsuit on this project, it's set in 01:09:30.390 --> 01:09:31.760 stone literally 01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:33.640 from a 01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:35.319 regulatory standpoint 01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:37.640 That's the critical date after that we can move 01:09:39.720 --> 01:09:41.720 Wow 01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:46.220 After that date we can move faster on the right away and 01:09:46.220 --> 01:09:50.850 the utility locations where we're in control of our own 01:09:50.850 --> 01:09:51.680 destiny 01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:55.369 So right now we need to get the we got comments from the VE 01:09:55.369 --> 01:09:55.840 study 01:09:56.279 --> 01:09:58.510 We've got to get those back to the feds. We're working on 01:09:58.510 --> 01:10:01.159 that and we're shooting for that December 2018 01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:02.720 environmental clearance date 01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:06.789 In town. I love this road now. I go to Academy all the time 01:10:06.789 --> 01:10:07.960 . It should be 01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:11.159 Completed and punched out. They're just doing 01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:15.270 I'm just showing you I'll show you all they're doing right 01:10:15.270 --> 01:10:16.760 now is doing punch list and 01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:19.409 Issues that the lanes should be open. I was out there the 01:10:19.409 --> 01:10:21.239 other day and it appeared that they were 01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:24.699 All right, go ahead only one question there 01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:29.220 Is there any are there any plans to put landscaping in the 01:10:29.220 --> 01:10:33.359 wider sections of the medians where there's just grass now? 01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:35.359 That's dying to match 01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:39.100 Typically what happens is is after the project is completed 01:10:39.100 --> 01:10:40.899 the city comes in and coordinates with 01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:44.319 Text that area office and through the green ribbons program 01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:46.329 Okay, and they do it after fact because we don't let the 01:10:46.329 --> 01:10:49.279 contractors do landscape because they don't do it very well 01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:49.600 , right? 01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:51.880 Okay, so that would be something the city follows up with 01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:54.159 right and we can work with them on that 01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:56.159 They're actually y'all staff is fairly 01:10:57.199 --> 01:10:58.520 proficient at the 01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:01.060 All that stuff because if you look at most of your roadways 01:11:01.060 --> 01:11:04.250 , there's there's what I call enhanced landscaping on your 01:11:04.250 --> 01:11:05.880 own system projects 01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:09.770 So, okay. Thank you. It's typically after the project is 01:11:09.770 --> 01:11:10.880 the contractors gone 01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:18.199 All right 01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:22.529 Us 380 East this is the project out to the Collin County 01:11:22.529 --> 01:11:22.939 line 01:11:22.939 --> 01:11:26.239 This project is now fully funded at the hundred and thirty 01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:27.159 million dollar 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:30.000 price tag text that is 01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:34.039 Doing the green segment in house because it's easy 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:36.880 essentially, which includes 01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:39.000 Julie's 10-foot 01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:42.600 Bike trail I think whatever 01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:46.039 Can you drive a car on it? 01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:49.479 And then I don't know anything about it 01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:52.640 And 01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:57.039 See I tell you what I've seen pollster with cowboy boots 01:11:57.039 --> 01:12:00.439 his cowboy hat and his spandex shorts on a mountain bike 01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:03.039 And I don't ever want to see it again 01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:07.720 It's someone control 01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:11.439 So 01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:14.039 We have 01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:17.229 CHN 2 Hill I think is doing the design for the blue section 01:12:17.229 --> 01:12:19.000 or its trans systems 01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:19.760 I'll get that for you 01:12:19.760 --> 01:12:22.520 We just got that the other day, but they are moving forward 01:12:22.520 --> 01:12:25.840 with schedule such that we are anticipating having 01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:28.479 the environmental clearance by 01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:33.489 June of next year now there are 114 parcels to acquire in 01:12:33.489 --> 01:12:34.960 the blue section alone 01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:37.899 But that's outside y'all city limits, but people that go 01:12:37.899 --> 01:12:40.239 that way we're going to be grade separating 01:12:41.680 --> 01:12:43.680 720 423 01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:46.119 NaVo where Brazzwell is really and 01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:49.840 Teal and legacy so it'll basically be a what we call a 01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:53.359 super street and just when you say great operation 01:12:53.359 --> 01:12:55.819 What you mean a bridge where the people on? 01:12:56.279 --> 01:13:00.149 380 will not have to stop if they're just going on through 01:13:00.149 --> 01:13:01.920 at these locations 01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:04.449 They could just continue on but if they want to stop there 01:13:04.449 --> 01:13:06.930 'll be an off-ramp to get off the lanes to come to those 01:13:06.930 --> 01:13:07.300 roads 01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:10.199 To cross streets, so it'll 01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:13.520 It won't be a freeway. It'll be what we call a limited 01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:17.239 access facility which means you'll have far fewer stops and 01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:21.079 Obviously you're not going to stop anywhere over the lake 01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:23.560 so that should move the traffic fairly well 01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:27.210 And it does include the and there's a question. Oh, this is 01:13:27.210 --> 01:13:30.180 the point where I ask you about the right turn 01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:34.199 I know that's supposed to be done as a separate 01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:39.779 maintenance job well before this and I and so we want from 01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:43.720 We've had three area engineers since this request was made 01:13:44.020 --> 01:13:46.300 So I guess we just need to tee that back up in our on 01:13:46.300 --> 01:13:47.840 system meeting mark if you 01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:51.000 In what we're talking about is loop 288 01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:55.600 Going north on 288 to go east on 380 01:13:56.359 --> 01:13:57.840 And it's stuffs there 01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:02.020 I mean bus showed a way to fix it without having to have to 01:14:02.020 --> 01:14:04.600 jack with that drainage ditch on and there's and there's 01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:06.800 development coming in 01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:09.000 Actually, just wipe that out 01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:13.840 That get widened yeah, we will put on our on system task 01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:14.840 force report and 01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:17.920 Start we'll put it in there. We'll put as a standalone 01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:21.920 Item for us to start tracking and and we might want to also 01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:25.000 have it on our radar screen in terms of of 01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:28.220 Whatever the engineering department is doing with the 01:14:28.220 --> 01:14:31.439 developer on that in terms of curb cuts to get into that 01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:36.319 Facility that new development, I was surprised when I 01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:38.920 thought it was like 55 acres 01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:42.239 And it goes way back to the east 01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:46.369 Yes, I used to take my son younger son to school in the 01:14:46.369 --> 01:14:49.399 mornings early for football and there were several times 01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:52.199 I came back. I'd see a big old buck chasing does out there 01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:54.619 So I'm glad y'all are doing that because I think you're 01:14:54.619 --> 01:14:56.319 gonna push him towards my property 01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:03.520 Okay 01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:05.760 Luke 288 01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:06.880 so 01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:08.880 Luke 288 is 01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:11.479 anticipated having environmental clearance by 01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:14.039 2020 and 01:15:14.039 --> 01:15:16.279 That's not because we can't get it done sooner 01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:19.489 We are going to try to move that up, but right now 288 is 01:15:19.489 --> 01:15:21.020 not in what's called conformity 01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:24.600 Until like 2040 and so we have to update conformity 01:15:24.699 --> 01:15:27.250 Which conformity is where you have the highway bill and 01:15:27.250 --> 01:15:29.680 what you do with transportation match 01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:32.699 What's your air quality requirements are they have to 01:15:32.699 --> 01:15:33.960 conform to each other? 01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:39.090 and so anytime you build a road either helps or hurts air 01:15:39.090 --> 01:15:39.560 quality and 01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:44.350 You take credit for it in a certain year and right now 288 01:15:44.350 --> 01:15:45.640 is moving faster 01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:48.979 Procedurally than what we anticipated so it's in a further 01:15:48.979 --> 01:15:51.239 out here and conformity. So we've got to walk through a 01:15:51.239 --> 01:15:51.840 process to get it 01:15:52.600 --> 01:15:54.359 back to a 01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:56.489 Year that we're working on we think we can get that done by 01:15:56.489 --> 01:15:56.880 next year 01:15:56.880 --> 01:16:01.060 But if nothing else happens 2020 is the time frame and I 01:16:01.060 --> 01:16:04.000 was meeting with Kelly Salmon again on last Thursday 01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:07.560 And he wants to get together and find a way to start 01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:11.720 Funding 288 01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:14.880 What concern that I've got regarding that is that? 01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:19.039 my my memory serves me it was hard to find a 01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:24.020 preliminary route because so many gas wells and and what my 01:16:24.020 --> 01:16:25.479 concern is is that 01:16:26.319 --> 01:16:29.029 In the meantime, there may be more gas wells that pop up 01:16:29.029 --> 01:16:32.399 that block it is all of this within our 01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:36.939 city limits so that we can make sure that we don't have any 01:16:36.939 --> 01:16:38.319 gas wells blocking it or 01:16:38.840 --> 01:16:40.439 or 01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:41.600 What's the story on there? 01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:44.100 Well, we've threaded the needle on all the gas wells that 01:16:44.100 --> 01:16:47.229 are out there and we coordinated with the coal ranch and 01:16:47.229 --> 01:16:48.039 with various 01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:52.229 Know the developers in the north and then we're working 01:16:52.229 --> 01:16:53.199 with you know 01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:55.810 We're basically going where the airport was going to take a 01:16:55.810 --> 01:16:58.840 take their alignment. So we feel like we've got a corridor 01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:00.840 That's fairly well protected 01:17:01.159 --> 01:17:04.199 And we had to tweak it a little bit just the other day 01:17:04.520 --> 01:17:07.520 Not the other day a couple months on the on the southern 01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:11.000 section for 2449 because you had a transmission line 01:17:11.399 --> 01:17:14.699 And then you had a gas well, so we y'all recommended us 01:17:14.699 --> 01:17:16.239 taking a more southerly 01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:20.329 alignment to miss both the transmission line and the and 01:17:20.329 --> 01:17:22.479 the gas well, so we've got a 01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:25.000 we've got a 01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:27.000 alignment that we think that it's 01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:29.039 fairly well threaded through 01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:31.600 not only the current 01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:34.739 Conflicts but the ones we've been able to anticipate going 01:17:34.739 --> 01:17:37.039 forward with the development that we've been coordinating 01:17:37.039 --> 01:17:37.199 with 01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:44.119 And so remember there's a full 01:17:44.600 --> 01:17:47.359 grade separation with direct connects on the northern part 01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:48.960 there will only be a 01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:51.600 half direct connect on the 01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:57.449 428 I mean for 20 the 2449 from 35 to the loop there won't 01:17:57.449 --> 01:17:59.720 be anything going from 35 to vintage 01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:03.439 There'll be ramps, but there won't be direct connects 01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:09.279 Okay 1515 this is gonna be quick 01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:12.239 We just got LTRA's 01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:14.680 cost estimate and 01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:18.460 We are reviewing that and we'll close and I think that they 01:18:18.460 --> 01:18:21.310 've been coordinating with the city staff to make sure that 01:18:21.310 --> 01:18:22.119 we're tying in 01:18:22.119 --> 01:18:25.270 What they're doing with the Bonnie Bray, but once we get 01:18:25.270 --> 01:18:27.880 them on board again, we'll do a kickoff meeting make sure 01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:28.560 that the 01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:31.279 LTRA 01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:33.970 Includes the city and a lot of their action items because 01:18:33.970 --> 01:18:35.600 there's a lot going on out there 01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:40.640 1830 this is the rehab project 01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:42.880 and 01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:45.609 Basically, they're continuing this work will be done in 01:18:45.609 --> 01:18:48.800 August 2018 and this is basically a mill and overlay with 01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:51.479 with 01:18:51.479 --> 01:18:53.479 shoulders 01:18:54.479 --> 01:18:56.479 Anything on those 01:18:56.960 --> 01:18:58.960 Questions on that 01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:03.210 Do we have a we have a name that we normally call 1830 for 01:19:03.210 --> 01:19:06.199 people who don't familiar with that number 01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:10.319 Is it 01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:14.039 Okay, I think it's 1830 right 01:19:17.319 --> 01:19:19.319 Just a note because I know that 01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:23.710 Awhile ago we had McKinney on here, which was 428, but now 01:19:23.710 --> 01:19:25.520 that the city has that road 01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:28.850 We're not getting updates from mr. Polster anymore. So if 01:19:28.850 --> 01:19:32.649 there's a way that we can get those updates around the same 01:19:32.649 --> 01:19:33.020 time 01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:37.270 Frame for this committee on that would you like a monthly 01:19:37.270 --> 01:19:40.239 or would it every other month or quarterly work? 01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:44.329 Just something regular, please just so when we get an 01:19:44.329 --> 01:19:44.800 update 01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:50.119 Maybe a placeholder because this is normally an agenda item 01:19:50.479 --> 01:19:54.399 So if we could just follow it up with McKinney Street 01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:56.640 agenda item to for updates 01:19:56.920 --> 01:19:59.560 Right with utilities and anything like that 01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:03.300 And it may be nothing to report this month, but we don't 01:20:03.300 --> 01:20:05.159 want to have nothing to report for more than about 01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:09.279 For very long because we want to see progress being made on 01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:09.439 it 01:20:10.439 --> 01:20:13.300 Okay, so item E is staff reports 01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:21.520 Mr. Chair actually on this one 01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:25.680 We have an RTC update. I think councilmember but Gary had 01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:27.279 wanted to may approach him to Gary 01:20:28.279 --> 01:20:30.279 would like to 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:32.560 Provide some information for majesty 01:20:40.720 --> 01:20:46.159 Mark are you gonna pull up the RTC? Yes, ma'am. Oh my god 01:20:50.520 --> 01:20:53.079 I'm triggered 01:20:55.760 --> 01:20:58.449 Okay, so I'll just let me go through this while I while we 01:20:58.449 --> 01:20:59.680 're waiting 01:20:59.960 --> 01:21:03.050 So RTC was on Thursday and there were several items that I 01:21:03.050 --> 01:21:06.180 wanted to bring forward to the mobility committee 01:21:06.399 --> 01:21:09.380 This is my first mobility meeting although I've been on RTC 01:21:09.380 --> 01:21:10.899 for I guess nine months now 01:21:11.579 --> 01:21:14.960 so I don't know how you guys did it before but I I'm just 01:21:16.119 --> 01:21:18.119 winging it 01:21:20.319 --> 01:21:22.319 I 01:21:23.239 --> 01:21:26.079 Welcome by the way glad you're here 01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:29.640 Yeah meeting materials 01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:33.180 These meetings are also televised. So I think last time we 01:21:33.180 --> 01:21:36.289 had what four or five people watching out of the whole 01:21:36.289 --> 01:21:36.880 region 01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:40.600 They tell you how many people are watching seriously four 01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:41.079 people 01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:45.210 Is that through streaming yes, it's live stream and they 01:21:45.210 --> 01:21:48.680 have the old meetings as well as I understand it 01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:50.680 so 01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:51.359 Let's see 01:21:51.359 --> 01:21:53.970 I have mine up so I wanted to just touch on some of the 01:21:53.970 --> 01:21:56.520 things that I had requested and kind of get 01:21:56.600 --> 01:21:59.649 Mobilities feedback. There's a traffic signal timing 01:21:59.649 --> 01:22:01.640 project. I think that's on point 01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:04.399 2.2 01:22:04.399 --> 01:22:07.489 Wanted to know if there's anything that city of Denton we 01:22:07.489 --> 01:22:10.760 were specifically called out at that meeting city of Denton 01:22:10.760 --> 01:22:13.319 Do you have any traffic signal timing projects? You'd like 01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:13.840 to bring to us? 01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:16.920 So I'm just carrying that forward to see if there's 01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:17.520 anything 01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:21.699 Along those lines they can't have been changed in the last 01:22:21.699 --> 01:22:24.539 however many months and I know we changed a lot of ours 01:22:24.539 --> 01:22:25.000 recently 01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:30.369 Just update on that. We went after the same grant a couple 01:22:30.369 --> 01:22:32.039 years ago. We received it 01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:35.500 we have a consultant on board through cog that's currently 01:22:35.500 --> 01:22:37.439 working on our timing and I 01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:40.930 Would say it's been a little bit struggle, especially with 01:22:40.930 --> 01:22:43.239 all the construction projects going on throughout the city 01:22:43.239 --> 01:22:47.199 it's been a challenge to collect data make it efficient and 01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:51.729 Retime it so it's been a slower process and it's over 01:22:51.729 --> 01:22:55.310 little over a year that the consultants been gathering data 01:22:55.310 --> 01:22:55.560 and 01:22:56.079 --> 01:22:59.279 Developing timing we don't have the new timing yet 01:22:59.279 --> 01:23:01.960 But we'll soon have it and implement it and when we're 01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:03.619 talking about timing what we're talking about is a 01:23:03.619 --> 01:23:05.479 sequencing of signal lights 01:23:05.479 --> 01:23:10.109 We make traffic flow more smoothly and and and not have as 01:23:10.109 --> 01:23:10.880 many cars 01:23:11.359 --> 01:23:15.189 Stopped at signal lights and idling and putting emissions 01:23:15.189 --> 01:23:17.680 into the air. What roads are we talking about? 01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:21.239 We're in we currently have about 01:23:22.359 --> 01:23:25.659 75 or 78 signals that we're gonna do and they're all along 01:23:25.659 --> 01:23:28.399 major corridors 380 is one of them 01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:32.859 Teasley all the major corridors to a Friday loop 288 is one 01:23:32.859 --> 01:23:33.840 of them. So 01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:38.810 We've almost about 60 to 70 percent of the signals will be 01:23:38.810 --> 01:23:39.520 retimed 01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:42.039 Are you saying that that they were looking for more 01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:44.640 submission? They want more submissions. Yes 01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:51.659 This one is the retiming and they want to be able to 01:23:51.659 --> 01:23:55.199 determine what your mobility benefits are for 01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:57.840 microphone, please 01:24:02.199 --> 01:24:04.810 35 points for mobility benefit cost benefit analysis of 01:24:04.810 --> 01:24:07.479 your progression of your traffic through the corridors 01:24:07.800 --> 01:24:10.329 They want to know what you're not to VOC. They'll calculate 01:24:10.329 --> 01:24:10.720 that for you 01:24:11.199 --> 01:24:13.199 Make sure that it's tied into other technologies 01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:15.800 communications. What's your environmental justice is? 01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:17.800 That's a thing that I was talking about a minute ago 01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:20.279 and then 01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:22.560 However, it supports multimodal 01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:26.729 Operations from you know moving trucks cars people. So 01:24:26.729 --> 01:24:30.640 those are the criteria that you have to meet and it's a 01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:36.000 It's a it doesn't have a maximum dollar amount but they're 01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:38.000 trying to limit it to 01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:42.680 Smaller 01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:44.680 Denomination so they can get more 01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:47.800 Dots on the map for lack of a better word 01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:49.800 and then 01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:51.560 John so 01:24:51.560 --> 01:24:53.819 Maybe I'm connecting these two and they're not supposed to 01:24:53.819 --> 01:24:54.380 be connected 01:24:54.380 --> 01:24:58.210 But at a prior meeting they had also stated that they were 01:24:58.210 --> 01:24:59.279 looking for data 01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:03.920 For that's a different that's a different program and that 01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:04.159 is 01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:07.710 That's what they're essentially trying to do is get the 01:25:07.710 --> 01:25:11.520 cities to allow or to upload their information to this cog 01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:14.119 5-1-1 01:25:14.119 --> 01:25:17.989 Programming and they disseminated out to ways in rates all 01:25:17.989 --> 01:25:19.319 of the the 01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:22.359 traffic 01:25:22.359 --> 01:25:25.840 GPS folks, right and they want real-time information like 01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:27.279 so if you're gonna have your 01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:30.439 Festivals down here, whatever you're gonna close streets 01:25:30.439 --> 01:25:32.159 from this time of this time or these days 01:25:32.720 --> 01:25:37.039 That gets uploaded to the 5-1-1 and then 5-1-1 distributes 01:25:37.039 --> 01:25:37.239 out 01:25:37.239 --> 01:25:40.119 And so when ways is routing people to Denton, they'll have 01:25:40.119 --> 01:25:42.000 that real-time information and they'll 01:25:42.520 --> 01:25:44.520 they'll 01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:46.600 They'll reroute it and and so there's 01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:50.579 There's some costs associated with the city's to do and 01:25:50.579 --> 01:25:52.220 this program that Tom 01:25:52.920 --> 01:25:55.520 Belmont a Belmont he's doing provide some 01:25:56.279 --> 01:25:58.760 compensation to the cities for some 01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:01.909 Whatever they got to do to make that data available and it 01:26:01.909 --> 01:26:04.119 's basically if you say you want to do it 01:26:04.119 --> 01:26:06.119 I'll do it with you 01:26:06.239 --> 01:26:09.949 And just as a heads up I've reached out to town of Flower M 01:26:09.949 --> 01:26:11.920 ounds traffic engineer 01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:14.439 We're gonna try and get their submittal they submitted and 01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:18.159 so we're gonna see what we can do to see if there's a way 01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:18.199 to 01:26:18.439 --> 01:26:20.439 Craft something similar with that 01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:23.960 Just a question on the 01:26:24.560 --> 01:26:28.199 Traffic signal. So is this funding for new signals? 01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:32.560 This is retiming. Okay, and it can't be signals that have 01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:35.279 been retimed any time in the last two years and 01:26:36.760 --> 01:26:40.380 There's more there's the criteria is way larger what I'm 01:26:40.380 --> 01:26:41.079 telling you 01:26:41.079 --> 01:26:44.029 What they're gonna grade you on but they won't even let you 01:26:44.029 --> 01:26:46.079 start if they don't think your road is a 01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:51.850 What they call a significant arterial in other words has is 01:26:51.850 --> 01:26:53.279 eligible for movement of traffic 01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:55.770 So there's some things we got to walk through but it's 01:26:55.770 --> 01:26:57.060 worth looking at I mean 01:26:57.640 --> 01:27:01.100 And we qualify because we're in a non-attainment area. That 01:27:01.100 --> 01:27:02.039 's correct, right? 01:27:02.439 --> 01:27:05.180 Okay, and so the other program is what they call minor 01:27:05.180 --> 01:27:07.479 improvements and by minor improvements, they're saying 01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:10.720 $50,000 or less per 01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:13.079 per 01:27:13.359 --> 01:27:16.439 Power per project and so they're talking about you need to 01:27:16.439 --> 01:27:18.439 if some cities don't have opticon 01:27:19.279 --> 01:27:21.279 signals types or whatever so it 01:27:23.279 --> 01:27:25.149 Those are the said those are types of things are talking 01:27:25.149 --> 01:27:27.819 about, you know some type of control or whatever 01:27:27.819 --> 01:27:31.479 That's not very expensive, but that would link them somehow 01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:34.319 and again, they have a criteria that again 01:27:34.319 --> 01:27:37.899 It's environmental justice the cost to the mobility benefit 01:27:37.899 --> 01:27:39.220 ratio all this stuff 01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:44.489 And they're the call this call is open through October 13th 01:27:44.489 --> 01:27:44.880 , I think 01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:47.600 You got to get it in 01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:49.359 so 01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:51.000 They don't give you a lot of time 01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:52.960 So just on that one 01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:55.689 We're not eligible because we've already have funding and 01:27:55.689 --> 01:27:58.880 we're currently using that to retime all the signals 01:27:58.880 --> 01:28:02.380 So they will be retimed in the near future in the next few 01:28:02.380 --> 01:28:02.800 months 01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:06.279 So we can't go for funding on this route. So whoever 01:28:06.279 --> 01:28:07.039 probably called you out 01:28:07.720 --> 01:28:10.750 Probably didn't know you were already doing it. I might 01:28:10.750 --> 01:28:11.760 have confused the call out the way 01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:17.520 Tom really wants didn't yes, and I think I think that I 01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:19.479 think that comment was Denton County wide 01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:21.479 It wasn't just the city of Denton 01:28:25.640 --> 01:28:26.560 Yeah 01:28:26.560 --> 01:28:28.680 To follow up on the the timing 01:28:29.359 --> 01:28:31.899 Is that something you bring back to the committee and we 01:28:31.899 --> 01:28:34.819 will look at those or is that just something that 01:28:34.819 --> 01:28:36.039 automatically happens? 01:28:36.039 --> 01:28:38.920 I'm because we have like request for longer yellow lights 01:28:38.920 --> 01:28:39.960 and things like that 01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:42.829 Is there a way for citizens to comment on certain 01:28:42.829 --> 01:28:45.920 intersections or are you just look at traffic flow? 01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:48.960 This may be off topic. So 01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:52.829 Actually cog has hired a consultant to develop the signal 01:28:52.829 --> 01:28:56.899 timing and primarily they're looking at coordination. They 01:28:56.899 --> 01:28:57.600 're not looking at 01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:01.239 Necessarily one or two locations that need extra green or 01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:05.279 extra yellow time. It's more focused on corridor and 01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:08.479 Through traffic moving traffic through the ever gone 01:29:08.479 --> 01:29:11.520 through Abilene when you're trying to go to Colorado 01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:13.829 And you pray that you get there at that time you get that 01:29:13.829 --> 01:29:16.640 signal just right where all 13 of those signals turn green 01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:18.579 So here's you're going through that's what they're talking 01:29:18.579 --> 01:29:18.840 about 01:29:19.239 --> 01:29:21.670 They want the traffic to progress right to keep the 01:29:21.670 --> 01:29:24.909 emissions. I gotcha. I didn't know that anybody went 01:29:24.909 --> 01:29:26.920 through Abilene to get to Colorado 01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:30.720 Maybe an amaryllis. They all look alike to me Wow 01:29:31.960 --> 01:29:37.010 The next item was number five the 2017 infrastructure for 01:29:37.010 --> 01:29:38.279 rebuilding America grants 01:29:38.680 --> 01:29:41.760 the infra grants and I just wanted to get a little 01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:46.310 blurb from our people about what we might be eligible for 01:29:46.310 --> 01:29:47.920 what we might be applying for 01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:51.920 Because it's quite a large pot of money. Yes, so 01:29:52.960 --> 01:29:54.960 I 01:29:55.720 --> 01:29:59.930 Was using some choice words during RTC on text message back 01:29:59.930 --> 01:30:01.079 and forth between 01:30:02.239 --> 01:30:06.479 Text that in cog not with me. Don't boy. No, no 01:30:07.079 --> 01:30:09.239 And I don't know if you saw when I got out and left and 01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:11.760 then Mo burr got up and Michael got up and left 01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:13.600 That's what we were talking about 01:30:13.600 --> 01:30:16.640 Because not typically what they do on these is they say 01:30:16.640 --> 01:30:19.659 here we're gonna pick what we think is a good project, 01:30:19.659 --> 01:30:20.359 right? 01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:23.430 So they're picking 635 and then they say the locals you're 01:30:23.430 --> 01:30:25.319 eligible you can submit what you want 01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:27.960 And they but typically in the past they would give you a 01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:30.239 letter of support as long as it was in the plan 01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:33.010 Now they're saying we don't want you competing against us. 01:30:33.010 --> 01:30:33.960 I guess what we're not gonna do 01:30:34.119 --> 01:30:36.680 We're not gonna give you a letter of support. So these are 01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:37.920 very involved 01:30:38.439 --> 01:30:40.439 Applications and they're very expensive 01:30:40.439 --> 01:30:43.039 We were gonna I was gonna try to do one for 35 on the wish 01:30:43.039 --> 01:30:45.920 bone because that's what was submitted under fast lane last 01:30:45.920 --> 01:30:46.119 time 01:30:46.760 --> 01:30:49.420 But only if cog was gonna do a letter of support if they're 01:30:49.420 --> 01:30:51.119 not gonna do a letter of support 01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:55.159 the feds aren't even gonna look at it, so 01:30:55.920 --> 01:30:59.380 That was the problem is if they're they're talking about if 01:30:59.380 --> 01:31:02.399 you look at the next part there, it says please be aware 01:31:02.920 --> 01:31:04.920 you know about 01:31:05.039 --> 01:31:08.869 details recent grant it's talking about whether they should 01:31:08.869 --> 01:31:09.279 provide 01:31:11.119 --> 01:31:14.600 The letter not and you heard where they were going saying 01:31:14.600 --> 01:31:17.199 no, we're not going to support other applications 01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:19.960 So and you think that that's a death knell for any type of 01:31:19.960 --> 01:31:21.279 application to the feds? 01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:27.409 Your experience has been that yes, and I when I said that 01:31:27.409 --> 01:31:29.760 tomorrow goes well there was a there was one project in 01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:30.279 another state 01:31:30.279 --> 01:31:32.279 They got funded 01:31:32.279 --> 01:31:34.279 One one 01:31:39.760 --> 01:31:42.460 So but here's the thing this is the 01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:45.689 And I want to be careful I say because you look at the 01:31:45.689 --> 01:31:48.159 previous item big projects in Texas 01:31:49.399 --> 01:31:51.399 You'll know that there's no 01:31:51.880 --> 01:31:54.920 Way, will you move up to item for you see the electronic 01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:56.920 item five and the grants and all that stuff 01:31:56.920 --> 01:31:59.270 That means if you wanted to go before the meeting and look 01:31:59.270 --> 01:31:59.520 at it 01:31:59.960 --> 01:32:03.039 You can go look at it. What the presentation is going to be 01:32:04.039 --> 01:32:06.039 Item four does not have any 01:32:07.079 --> 01:32:09.079 presentation associated with it, right 01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:12.720 they already picked LBJ they already picked the 01:32:14.000 --> 01:32:17.300 Downtown lower lowest Simmons and they already picked the 01:32:17.300 --> 01:32:20.119 project in Tarrant County to be the big idea 01:32:20.119 --> 01:32:23.189 And it was basically Victor Vandergrift Michael Kelly Sal 01:32:23.189 --> 01:32:26.680 mon and low bustle the two district engineers Michael and 01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:27.399 the 01:32:28.199 --> 01:32:31.500 Commission said these are priorities and they laid them out 01:32:31.500 --> 01:32:32.579 to the group now 01:32:33.159 --> 01:32:34.800 Unfortunately, they're right 01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:37.569 Those are the right projects. There's there's nothing that 01:32:37.569 --> 01:32:39.279 competes with 635 in the section 01:32:39.279 --> 01:32:42.819 They want to do or the lowest lower Simmons where all the 01:32:42.819 --> 01:32:45.439 volume of traffic is coming off of 183 01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:48.460 It's dropping down into that area where because the city of 01:32:48.460 --> 01:32:49.239 Dallas is 01:32:49.880 --> 01:32:53.319 Squirrely they dumped on the Trinity project. So now they 01:32:53.319 --> 01:32:55.039 got to go back and fix what's actually there 01:32:55.560 --> 01:32:58.079 In its city of Dallas had not been what they were 01:32:58.720 --> 01:33:00.420 So we're having to put a lot of money into the city of 01:33:00.420 --> 01:33:04.560 Dallas to fix their problems because a political chicanery 01:33:04.920 --> 01:33:07.880 So I was upset more about the fact that there was 01:33:08.520 --> 01:33:10.319 of the process 01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:13.760 Than the projects right because there wasn't any 01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:17.800 Dialogue 01:33:18.319 --> 01:33:21.560 Would that be political chicanery or skullduggery? 01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:25.550 Well when you don't like them I call it skullduggery if you 01:33:25.550 --> 01:33:28.640 think they got good intentions, but they just messed up 01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:30.760 I call it chicanery. Okay. Thank you 01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:33.359 Yes, ma'am. Okay 01:33:33.359 --> 01:33:37.060 I don't know what item it was but there was a mention about 01:33:37.060 --> 01:33:40.920 in city and government's bond 01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:44.760 Planning process. Yes to include 01:33:45.319 --> 01:33:50.039 Pre kind of pre planning with RTC as far as what projects 01:33:50.039 --> 01:33:52.239 may be matched by RTC 01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:55.090 So you can kind of get that pre clearance a little bit and 01:33:55.090 --> 01:33:58.319 I know we're talking about a 2020 item 13 01:33:58.439 --> 01:34:01.359 Thank you. I know we're talking about a 2020 or 01:34:02.239 --> 01:34:04.319 2021 bond program 01:34:04.319 --> 01:34:08.979 So I wanted to talk about this now as far as planning ahead 01:34:08.979 --> 01:34:10.699 with what it is that 01:34:11.199 --> 01:34:13.920 we even present to like our bond committees and 01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:18.659 That out there so what they do is is they'll say if you're 01:34:18.659 --> 01:34:20.720 planning on having a bond program 01:34:21.359 --> 01:34:24.000 Come sit down with us. Tell us what it is. You think you're 01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:26.079 gonna do. Let us see which one of those are 01:34:27.960 --> 01:34:30.729 Federally eligible for participation whether it be through 01:34:30.729 --> 01:34:32.260 CMAC STBG 01:34:33.479 --> 01:34:37.060 or their local funds that they they they generate and the 01:34:37.060 --> 01:34:40.380 intention is is they still want you to go out for if you're 01:34:40.380 --> 01:34:41.800 planning on doing a 01:34:41.800 --> 01:34:44.020 Hundred million dollar bond program. They still want you to 01:34:44.020 --> 01:34:46.000 go out and do the hundred million dollar bond program 01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:48.000 They just want you to let them pay for 01:34:48.279 --> 01:34:52.000 30 million of it and then you give them 30 million bucks in 01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:54.439 local funds because they put in their local fund account 01:34:54.439 --> 01:34:55.119 and now they 01:34:55.119 --> 01:34:58.520 Got money that doesn't have strings attached but typically 01:34:58.520 --> 01:35:00.279 to get 30 million. They'll give you 40 01:35:00.840 --> 01:35:02.840 So you leverage it up? 01:35:03.479 --> 01:35:05.479 Because you're taking 01:35:06.039 --> 01:35:08.630 Dollars that have to go through a process and you're giving 01:35:08.630 --> 01:35:11.560 them dollars that don't so your money's worth more 01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:14.079 So you leverage it 01:35:14.079 --> 01:35:16.079 right 01:35:16.119 --> 01:35:18.119 Which is this is not new 01:35:18.520 --> 01:35:21.960 So what I understand councilmember is that we just need to 01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:24.779 continue to work on prioritizing our list 01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:27.380 And working with the council government's only opportunity. 01:35:27.380 --> 01:35:28.920 I would just tweak that a little bit 01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:33.060 Before you prioritize your list you may not know what is 01:35:33.060 --> 01:35:35.579 what how to tweak it to make it more 01:35:36.199 --> 01:35:38.739 leverageable and Coggro will come meet with you and just 01:35:38.739 --> 01:35:39.600 have it like a 01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:44.569 Shred or brainstorm where you just kind of talk about what 01:35:44.569 --> 01:35:45.300 you want to do 01:35:45.600 --> 01:35:48.279 Yeah, so before we get to the part where we're prioritizing 01:35:48.279 --> 01:35:50.680 is what I'm understanding 01:35:53.159 --> 01:35:55.600 There was a small bond that our small 01:35:56.439 --> 01:36:00.680 Grant two small grants. So I don't I'm sorry. I can't 01:36:00.680 --> 01:36:03.520 remember which item it was but it was a low-income 01:36:04.600 --> 01:36:05.920 mobility 01:36:05.920 --> 01:36:07.920 elderly low-income 01:36:08.439 --> 01:36:10.439 That would be the chart 01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:14.079 So here I really have more of a question 01:36:14.920 --> 01:36:17.899 Do you remember which item it was? I think it's nine. Okay 01:36:19.039 --> 01:36:22.340 so there there was a federal funding to improve access to 01:36:22.340 --> 01:36:26.760 work for the low-income workforce and access to mobility 01:36:26.760 --> 01:36:27.119 for 01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:30.720 The elderly and mobility 01:36:31.199 --> 01:36:35.359 impaired and I went to a public meeting at DCTA on 01:36:35.960 --> 01:36:38.840 Some of the things that are needed and Denton a lot of 01:36:38.840 --> 01:36:42.159 community members there. Obviously it was at DCTA. I 01:36:42.840 --> 01:36:45.479 left there thinking that DCTA would be 01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:48.729 Applying for something or that one of the community groups 01:36:48.729 --> 01:36:51.819 would be applying for something and it turns out that Dent 01:36:51.819 --> 01:36:52.840 on didn't have any 01:36:53.079 --> 01:36:54.960 applications at all 01:36:54.960 --> 01:36:58.260 So I don't know what maybe I just made an assumption that I 01:36:58.260 --> 01:37:00.319 shouldn't have made but how can we? 01:37:01.079 --> 01:37:05.260 Encourage DCTA to go after some of these projects if you'll 01:37:05.260 --> 01:37:06.920 hit electronic at nine 01:37:07.079 --> 01:37:09.079 It'll show you the list. I think you're talking about 01:37:10.199 --> 01:37:12.720 Right list if you see the organization's way up there on 01:37:12.720 --> 01:37:13.239 the top 01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:16.760 So there was money specifically for the Denton Louisville 01:37:16.760 --> 01:37:21.680 corridor and only span of Louisville and span of I think 01:37:22.640 --> 01:37:24.640 flower mound applied for it 01:37:26.359 --> 01:37:29.510 But I definitely see needs for our for mobility for our low 01:37:29.510 --> 01:37:30.760 -income workforce 01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:34.710 that's something that comes up a lot and I was surprised 01:37:34.710 --> 01:37:35.199 that I 01:37:36.079 --> 01:37:38.590 Thought since we I guess I thought since we were having the 01:37:38.590 --> 01:37:41.319 meeting at DCTA that DCTA was applying for it 01:37:41.319 --> 01:37:43.800 but what I guess that's 01:37:44.479 --> 01:37:46.920 May I'll get I'll get with that Christina Brevard and 01:37:49.119 --> 01:37:51.880 Michelle Bloomer who handles their bus their bus bus 01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:54.520 operations and see what? 01:37:55.359 --> 01:37:58.770 See how we can better engage in that process. Well also in 01:37:58.770 --> 01:38:00.119 span of different 01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:03.560 Is that separate from Louisville? I 01:38:04.680 --> 01:38:06.039 Don't know 01:38:06.039 --> 01:38:08.989 Span is just a dentin organization because they get human 01:38:08.989 --> 01:38:09.840 services money 01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:12.659 There's also a spit you said span and Louisville got 01:38:12.659 --> 01:38:15.619 somebody so we need to make sure that span and dentin is 01:38:15.619 --> 01:38:16.720 aware that this is 01:38:17.399 --> 01:38:18.680 possible 01:38:18.680 --> 01:38:19.960 And so to that point 01:38:19.960 --> 01:38:23.819 I mean we have data now with our point-in-time count with 01:38:23.819 --> 01:38:26.880 homelessness issue and also low-income that 01:38:27.520 --> 01:38:30.590 Transportation is the number one biggest issue that is 01:38:30.590 --> 01:38:33.180 preventing people from working 01:38:33.640 --> 01:38:37.050 So if they need that data, I mean it's out there right now, 01:38:37.050 --> 01:38:38.699 especially for our city 01:38:40.479 --> 01:38:43.430 Yeah, I'm thinking maybe we just need to have a little bit 01:38:43.430 --> 01:38:46.149 more better coordination between what some of our social 01:38:46.149 --> 01:38:47.039 needs are and 01:38:47.039 --> 01:38:49.039 then and DCTA and 01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:52.560 The funding opportunities that are available. So just a way 01:38:52.560 --> 01:38:54.479 to bring that all together 01:38:55.279 --> 01:38:58.359 And I feel like I dropped the ball as well. So mea culpa 01:39:14.079 --> 01:39:16.079 For the smaller 01:39:21.039 --> 01:39:27.720 Joint access reverse community programs and whatnot and if 01:39:27.720 --> 01:39:31.079 the money is not applied for and/or given 01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:36.000 So you want me to start over 01:39:37.239 --> 01:39:39.039 Yeah 01:39:39.039 --> 01:39:41.039 All right, I'll be more succinct 01:39:41.800 --> 01:39:45.500 This is a subset of the money that was allocated to the 01:39:45.500 --> 01:39:48.060 three transit organizations the D the T 01:39:48.319 --> 01:39:52.529 Dart and DCTA and it's sub allocated to let these look 01:39:52.529 --> 01:39:54.340 smaller entities have a shot 01:39:54.760 --> 01:39:57.289 The lights the lights tell on but I think you have your mic 01:39:57.289 --> 01:39:59.560 on you might want to pull your mic closer to 01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:03.180 Okay, I'm not repeating it. Okay 01:40:04.439 --> 01:40:08.649 And the thing is is if the the subset group that it's in 01:40:08.649 --> 01:40:11.079 that area for DCTA doesn't apply for those funds 01:40:11.079 --> 01:40:13.279 They simply just go back to DCTA 01:40:13.760 --> 01:40:17.199 So DCTA is not the ones that would be the spans and the 01:40:17.199 --> 01:40:21.479 smaller organizations and and not to put a too final point 01:40:21.479 --> 01:40:24.109 On it, but the the transit agencies are actually hoping 01:40:24.109 --> 01:40:25.979 that a lot of these folks don't apply 01:40:26.439 --> 01:40:29.949 So the money comes back to them for theirs their use is is 01:40:29.949 --> 01:40:32.960 this money that would be used for a 01:40:34.039 --> 01:40:37.520 Term that that a lot of the transit organizations talk is 01:40:37.520 --> 01:40:38.680 the last mile 01:40:39.239 --> 01:40:43.750 So people people get to the bus station or to the train 01:40:43.750 --> 01:40:45.859 station. They've got a mile to go 01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:49.420 They have a disability that's a difficult thing to do and 01:40:49.420 --> 01:40:52.239 that this would help find getting them to that line 01:40:52.239 --> 01:40:54.359 And you're in your jar product program is 01:40:55.000 --> 01:40:58.989 The last mile going to work and getting home right? There's 01:40:58.989 --> 01:41:01.300 a lot of people find they have the ability to get 01:41:02.199 --> 01:41:04.760 Transit to work, but if they are in the middle of the day 01:41:04.760 --> 01:41:06.359 and they have to come home for some reason 01:41:06.359 --> 01:41:08.359 They don't have a way to get back, right? 01:41:09.359 --> 01:41:11.359 Some of the project 01:41:11.399 --> 01:41:13.399 recipients were span obviously 01:41:13.720 --> 01:41:17.640 Of Louisville and then the dart program was a taxi 01:41:18.199 --> 01:41:20.250 Reimbursement program for it was like a voucher program for 01:41:20.250 --> 01:41:22.979 exactly what you're talking about, which is the last mile 01:41:23.399 --> 01:41:27.640 So I'm that helps me understand as usual everything that I 01:41:27.640 --> 01:41:29.960 think is how things work and 01:41:30.479 --> 01:41:32.920 transportation funding is the exact opposite so 01:41:35.039 --> 01:41:37.989 Maybe just brainstorming about how we can include our 01:41:37.989 --> 01:41:41.000 smaller organizations that serve these communities 01:41:41.439 --> 01:41:45.270 More into the mix and if I need to do something or maybe 01:41:45.270 --> 01:41:47.319 reach out happy to do it 01:41:47.319 --> 01:41:50.020 I just I guess I didn't realize that all those people at 01:41:50.020 --> 01:41:53.279 the meeting weren't gonna apply for them for the funds 01:41:54.159 --> 01:41:56.720 They've got the funds. They're hoping nobody else applies 01:41:56.720 --> 01:41:57.079 for them 01:41:58.600 --> 01:42:01.729 Okay, well there are there's some community groups there. 01:42:01.729 --> 01:42:02.680 Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry 01:42:02.680 --> 01:42:05.060 Yeah, it was a community groups meeting and there were a 01:42:05.060 --> 01:42:05.279 lot 01:42:05.279 --> 01:42:08.039 There's a lot of catching and needs that weren't being met 01:42:08.039 --> 01:42:09.720 and so I was just surprised 01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:12.670 So I think maybe we need to kind of step in and help in 01:42:12.670 --> 01:42:15.739 some way connect the dots for for community groups in the 01:42:15.739 --> 01:42:16.000 future 01:42:16.159 --> 01:42:18.840 So this is the 13 minute warning 01:42:21.640 --> 01:42:24.640 Thank you that was very helpful I appreciated that more 01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:27.720 insight than I've gotten on RTC meetings 01:42:31.479 --> 01:42:34.819 So we still have a few left on staff reports like the DCTA 01:42:34.819 --> 01:42:38.380 pedestrian bridge and that who's going to do that 01:42:49.479 --> 01:42:54.170 So mr. Chair on on the update on the pedestrian bridge you 01:42:54.170 --> 01:42:55.960 had requested as part of a 01:42:57.199 --> 01:43:00.800 The matrix back in June just an update on that particular 01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:03.359 project I did in the backup as stated 01:43:03.760 --> 01:43:07.619 DCTA is moving forward with a with a text out grant to 01:43:07.619 --> 01:43:10.720 connect basically from Swisher down to Kelton 01:43:11.159 --> 01:43:13.079 which is 01:43:13.079 --> 01:43:15.960 Just just on the north side of the bridge on the east side 01:43:15.960 --> 01:43:16.520 of 35 01:43:17.279 --> 01:43:20.640 So that's south of town south of south side of Lake Dallas 01:43:20.640 --> 01:43:22.899 and then kind of through Hickory Creek 01:43:23.840 --> 01:43:25.960 on the east side of 35 01:43:26.800 --> 01:43:30.579 That's that's part of a text dot grant through DCTA. They 01:43:30.579 --> 01:43:33.899 're in the process of constructing that then as part of the 01:43:34.359 --> 01:43:36.359 35 Express project 01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:38.960 that that 01:43:39.039 --> 01:43:41.920 Hiking bike trail be picked up there at Kelton just on the 01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:42.680 south side of Kelton 01:43:42.680 --> 01:43:45.979 It'll take it across the bridge or across the lake on the 01:43:45.979 --> 01:43:47.579 existing bridge 01:43:48.920 --> 01:43:50.920 To the to the Lake Louisville 01:43:52.479 --> 01:43:54.869 Highland Village station do we know when that's going to be 01:43:54.869 --> 01:43:55.720 completed? 01:43:57.000 --> 01:43:59.000 the 01:44:01.239 --> 01:44:02.600 The bridge structure they've opened the frontage roads now 01:44:02.600 --> 01:44:06.140 and they're just finishing the the screening walls on each 01:44:06.140 --> 01:44:08.680 section and then so they're saying that 01:44:08.680 --> 01:44:12.859 by end of September the shared use path will be open there 01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:16.359 They're not they're doing the non transportation 01:44:17.199 --> 01:44:20.600 Related items last because they're 58 days behind schedule 01:44:21.439 --> 01:44:22.520 but 01:44:22.520 --> 01:44:25.600 We think that by the end of September that that shared use 01:44:25.600 --> 01:44:28.479 path will be open is the shared use path on both 01:44:28.479 --> 01:44:31.229 The southbound and northbound or is it just on one correct? 01:44:31.229 --> 01:44:31.840 It's on both sides 01:44:31.840 --> 01:44:34.789 Okay, and there's a 14 foot outside lane on the fringe road 01:44:34.789 --> 01:44:37.279 for any of those brave enough to ride a bicycle there 01:44:37.560 --> 01:44:39.560 I'm not 01:44:42.399 --> 01:44:44.100 Move on 01:44:44.100 --> 01:44:46.100 The other the other item then 01:44:46.340 --> 01:44:50.260 Item three is just a notice of the public meeting on FM 18 01:44:50.260 --> 01:44:52.239 30 for next Tuesday 01:44:52.760 --> 01:44:54.760 Tuesday yet the 01:44:54.800 --> 01:44:58.300 26th and this is for the widening of 1830 from two lanes to 01:44:58.300 --> 01:45:01.079 four with 12 foot lanes and 10 foot shoulders 01:45:01.079 --> 01:45:04.130 It's a actual widening not the resurfacing that's going on 01:45:04.130 --> 01:45:06.760 now and that public meeting is when and where? 01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:12.000 It is on the 26th and it is at Harpal Middle School 01:45:13.119 --> 01:45:15.239 6 p.m. 6 p.m. To 8 p.m 01:45:16.920 --> 01:45:18.920 Okay 01:45:21.239 --> 01:45:24.760 And for the matrix on the matrix just quickly wanted to run 01:45:24.760 --> 01:45:26.659 run through these on item to 01:45:27.199 --> 01:45:30.840 UNT parking meters that project was completed we 01:45:31.640 --> 01:45:34.779 We had to add some additional signage on the south side of 01:45:34.779 --> 01:45:37.119 Hickory between Welch and and Fry Street 01:45:37.439 --> 01:45:39.760 But that was completed as of yesterday. So 01:45:40.600 --> 01:45:44.789 Everything is in place as of now. We also had as part of 01:45:44.789 --> 01:45:44.960 that 01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:50.159 we preserved a number about six parking meter poles and 01:45:50.680 --> 01:45:52.680 added some bicycle 01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:57.300 Bicycle racks to those so that we could basically allow 01:45:57.300 --> 01:46:00.359 upwards to two bikes on each of those 01:46:01.039 --> 01:46:03.149 Parking meter poles that was a suggestion of one of the 01:46:03.149 --> 01:46:03.720 stakeholders 01:46:04.399 --> 01:46:07.800 In the area to to encourage some additional bike parking in 01:46:07.800 --> 01:46:08.439 the area 01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:12.050 So we'll continue to work with UNT in terms of enforcement 01:46:12.050 --> 01:46:14.279 of parking in that area and get some data 01:46:15.720 --> 01:46:18.800 Report that back at the end of the year in terms of 01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:22.640 How well that's working how quickly or how efficiently? 01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:25.199 vehicles are 01:46:25.199 --> 01:46:27.399 rotating or cycling through those parking spots 01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:29.920 Yes, ma'am 01:46:29.920 --> 01:46:34.550 And is there a chance to to also maybe do something a pilot 01:46:34.550 --> 01:46:36.359 program on the bike? 01:46:36.840 --> 01:46:40.819 Bicycles there on that bike lane to get data to go along at 01:46:40.819 --> 01:46:41.720 the same time 01:46:42.279 --> 01:46:46.550 So we was we looked into that or initiated that process 01:46:46.550 --> 01:46:48.720 Julie. Do you have an update on that? 01:46:49.560 --> 01:46:51.560 Yeah 01:46:58.039 --> 01:47:01.899 Yeah, it's definitely it's possible to do it for cheap I 01:47:01.899 --> 01:47:04.640 mean it's relatively cheap and just be paint 01:47:06.039 --> 01:47:08.039 Just some slight concerns about 01:47:09.159 --> 01:47:11.199 Reaching out to the businesses, you know, we told them 01:47:11.199 --> 01:47:13.100 there's not gonna be a bike lane there right now if we do 01:47:13.100 --> 01:47:14.279 it as a pilot 01:47:14.720 --> 01:47:17.359 What's the feedback going to be from those business owners? 01:47:18.039 --> 01:47:20.039 So just some issues we need to work 01:47:20.920 --> 01:47:24.039 Forward with before we move forward with doing a pilot 01:47:24.039 --> 01:47:24.720 program 01:47:25.000 --> 01:47:28.250 Well, I would think that for the businesses it would be 01:47:28.250 --> 01:47:31.039 beneficial because they would actually have real data to 01:47:31.039 --> 01:47:32.500 compare to like 01:47:32.500 --> 01:47:35.560 Does this really affect my business or not or you know, 01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:38.380 does it help it does it you know, and that would be 01:47:39.760 --> 01:47:43.479 Easy easier for council to to make that call knowing those 01:47:43.479 --> 01:47:46.399 numbers. So it was just a 01:47:48.359 --> 01:47:50.359 An idea. Yeah 01:47:54.039 --> 01:47:55.149 Regarding the matrix it said that I'm looking on the matrix 01:47:55.149 --> 01:47:59.800 saying we were gonna get some information in this month 01:47:59.800 --> 01:48:04.079 I don't know parking in front of DCTA bus shelters, correct 01:48:06.479 --> 01:48:09.550 We've taken that item to award with the legal department to 01:48:09.550 --> 01:48:13.319 change the code and some modifications 01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:15.720 for the authority of the 01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:19.880 traffic engineer to impose parking restrictions currently 01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:22.829 the traffic engineer has authority to impose parking 01:48:22.829 --> 01:48:23.840 restrictions for 01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:27.529 in front of trash cans in front of other places that are 01:48:27.529 --> 01:48:30.359 needed throughout the city for access purposes 01:48:31.000 --> 01:48:35.239 so as part of that I talked to legal and they said the 01:48:35.239 --> 01:48:36.800 easiest and the best way to 01:48:38.159 --> 01:48:41.220 Implement this without getting into whole ordinance or our 01:48:41.220 --> 01:48:44.359 big change was to add bus stops 01:48:44.840 --> 01:48:47.760 Within that whole language and that would resolve the issue 01:48:48.159 --> 01:48:52.069 We can look at it case by case basis and actually implement 01:48:52.069 --> 01:48:54.640 it where wherever it's necessary 01:48:55.079 --> 01:48:59.270 So we've taken that to traffic safety. They've recommended 01:48:59.270 --> 01:49:01.319 to move forward with the 01:49:02.439 --> 01:49:06.079 suggestion of modifying the ordinance chapter 18 01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:10.029 Of the code and then I'll bring it to council in the 01:49:10.029 --> 01:49:12.960 October 10th meeting. Okay 01:49:15.039 --> 01:49:17.350 Do we have any members that have any concerns on the 01:49:17.350 --> 01:49:18.800 current matrix 01:49:19.760 --> 01:49:22.329 Questions on the current matrix. I do know that I think 01:49:22.329 --> 01:49:25.880 someone Mario you were gonna do a little presentation on 01:49:25.880 --> 01:49:26.920 that last item 01:49:29.079 --> 01:49:33.460 Okay, we've been receiving it messages emails around about 01:49:33.460 --> 01:49:34.439 Hickory 01:49:35.199 --> 01:49:38.840 Lately, this is a I think what that those emails are about 01:49:41.319 --> 01:49:43.319 The last one yeah 01:49:45.319 --> 01:49:46.520 Um 01:49:46.520 --> 01:49:49.819 Hang on a second. We have five minutes left. Yeah, unless 01:49:49.819 --> 01:49:52.239 you can do it really quick. I can go real fast 01:49:52.479 --> 01:49:55.359 Okay, because we need some time for I don't sure future 01:49:55.359 --> 01:49:55.760 agenda 01:49:56.479 --> 01:49:59.460 The bottom line is the Hickory Street improvement project. 01:49:59.460 --> 01:50:02.239 It's about to kick off in January of next year 01:50:02.239 --> 01:50:04.529 And so one of the things that has been brought to our 01:50:04.529 --> 01:50:05.119 attention 01:50:05.800 --> 01:50:08.239 By the oak Hickory historic district is is there an 01:50:08.239 --> 01:50:10.840 opportunity for the city to consider? 01:50:11.439 --> 01:50:15.300 Adding some or working with that with with that group of 01:50:15.300 --> 01:50:17.800 incorporating some sidewalk improvements along with 01:50:18.039 --> 01:50:20.920 The decorative lighting that they have on Oak Street if you 01:50:20.920 --> 01:50:24.159 drive down Hickory the decorative lighting is on the south 01:50:24.159 --> 01:50:24.439 side 01:50:24.760 --> 01:50:27.560 But there's not any on the north side and if you drive down 01:50:27.560 --> 01:50:27.840 oak 01:50:28.039 --> 01:50:31.569 That that decorative lighting is zig-zagged across across 01:50:31.569 --> 01:50:33.319 the street. I believe there is 01:50:34.000 --> 01:50:37.859 Believe 10 to 12 lights across that corridor and they'd 01:50:37.859 --> 01:50:41.359 like to replicate that very same look and feel on Hickory 01:50:41.720 --> 01:50:44.420 The issue with Hickory is there's a very little lip. There 01:50:44.420 --> 01:50:46.439 's a very little room on the north side 01:50:47.159 --> 01:50:51.430 However, Hickory is a slightly slightly wider than oak. So 01:50:51.430 --> 01:50:54.039 before we go into construction 01:50:54.720 --> 01:50:57.439 The thought is could we through the engineering department 01:50:57.439 --> 01:50:58.119 look at? 01:50:59.039 --> 01:51:00.520 Hickory 01:51:00.520 --> 01:51:03.479 With the potential of shrinking the width of the road to 01:51:03.479 --> 01:51:06.649 incorporate room to allow for the decorative lighting and 01:51:06.649 --> 01:51:08.260 the sidewalk improvements 01:51:08.260 --> 01:51:11.800 And so before we went to construction, we've met out on 01:51:11.800 --> 01:51:13.520 site with our design team 01:51:14.399 --> 01:51:16.949 Engineering team to see what options we could have and that 01:51:16.949 --> 01:51:18.199 's that's what they're doing 01:51:18.199 --> 01:51:21.250 Now is seeing what options are available what that would be 01:51:21.250 --> 01:51:22.720 from a cost perspective 01:51:22.960 --> 01:51:25.359 What would it be from a timing perspective with the 01:51:25.359 --> 01:51:28.460 improvement so that we don't lose too much time if there is 01:51:28.460 --> 01:51:28.720 that? 01:51:29.439 --> 01:51:31.079 If that is a case 01:51:31.079 --> 01:51:33.560 So we wanted to bring it to the to the committee's 01:51:33.560 --> 01:51:36.170 attention to see if you want us to continue continue with 01:51:36.170 --> 01:51:37.560 that process of vetting 01:51:37.760 --> 01:51:39.760 Before we go any further 01:51:40.079 --> 01:51:42.079 I'm good with it 01:51:42.079 --> 01:51:45.270 But I would be concerned about making the Hickory Street 01:51:45.270 --> 01:51:46.039 more narrow 01:51:46.760 --> 01:51:48.760 and losing the bike lane 01:51:49.920 --> 01:51:51.920 Now if you wanted to consider 01:51:52.319 --> 01:51:56.079 making the travel lanes more narrow and creating a 01:51:56.960 --> 01:51:59.159 buffer between the bike lane and the 01:52:00.399 --> 01:52:03.350 Auto lanes and using that buffer is a place to put those 01:52:03.350 --> 01:52:04.479 street lights 01:52:05.199 --> 01:52:07.199 I could I could really 01:52:08.319 --> 01:52:10.840 Work up a lot of enthusiasm for something like that 01:52:12.159 --> 01:52:14.180 We'll look at those options again. It's just to bring it to 01:52:14.180 --> 01:52:15.159 your attention 01:52:18.720 --> 01:52:20.880 Yeah, I'm good with looking at options 01:52:22.680 --> 01:52:23.960 All right 01:52:23.960 --> 01:52:28.069 Then items for concluding items and where we'd be looking 01:52:28.069 --> 01:52:31.000 at things to consider on the next meeting 01:52:31.600 --> 01:52:34.619 On our next agenda. We need to have an election for the 01:52:34.619 --> 01:52:36.279 chair and the vice chair 01:52:36.720 --> 01:52:40.020 I'm chairing this because I was vice chair and we need to 01:52:40.020 --> 01:52:40.880 get that done 01:52:42.520 --> 01:52:45.359 Let's get a fuller report on 01:52:47.960 --> 01:52:49.960 Timing 01:52:49.960 --> 01:52:54.310 Signal sequencing what all is involved where we're focusing 01:52:54.310 --> 01:52:54.520 on 01:52:55.079 --> 01:52:59.289 Doing those projects and in anticipation of when we might 01:52:59.289 --> 01:53:00.239 see that happen 01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:07.250 There was some time back we had heard some information 01:53:07.250 --> 01:53:07.739 about 01:53:10.479 --> 01:53:12.479 Not interested in necessarily 01:53:13.159 --> 01:53:16.460 enforcing the the parking rules saying you can't park 01:53:16.460 --> 01:53:16.800 within 01:53:17.319 --> 01:53:20.949 20 feet of an intersection or a stop sign that we were 01:53:20.949 --> 01:53:23.119 going to put up some signage instead 01:53:23.319 --> 01:53:25.859 To educate people that you're not supposed to do that 01:53:26.399 --> 01:53:29.510 Let's give it a report back on on where we are in that 01:53:29.510 --> 01:53:30.239 process 01:53:30.920 --> 01:53:32.920 Other items. Yes, ma'am 01:53:33.520 --> 01:53:34.800 Okay, so 01:53:34.800 --> 01:53:36.800 there is not a 01:53:37.479 --> 01:53:40.359 Crossing signal at McKinney and Mayhill and I know that 01:53:40.359 --> 01:53:43.039 both of those roads are going to be redone 01:53:43.039 --> 01:53:46.340 But I was standing there at a red light trying watching 01:53:46.340 --> 01:53:47.840 children tried to cross 01:53:48.880 --> 01:53:52.000 After school and I would looked up and realized there's not 01:53:52.000 --> 01:53:53.840 even anything there 01:53:54.520 --> 01:53:55.880 for them to 01:53:55.880 --> 01:53:59.569 Cross at that intersection and so that was really shocking 01:53:59.569 --> 01:53:59.859 to me 01:53:59.859 --> 01:54:02.739 and I don't know if we've just been waiting and waiting and 01:54:02.739 --> 01:54:04.960 waiting to do anything until the roads are 01:54:07.239 --> 01:54:08.659 Getting improved 01:54:08.659 --> 01:54:12.130 Reconstructed but it's I just like for us to look to see if 01:54:12.130 --> 01:54:13.880 there's something we can do right now 01:54:13.880 --> 01:54:16.899 I mean kids were just like giving up and walking in between 01:54:16.899 --> 01:54:19.359 cars as they were stopped at a red light and 01:54:21.119 --> 01:54:24.520 So stop to the stop sign, yeah, no the red light at 01:54:25.520 --> 01:54:27.079 Mayhill and 01:54:27.079 --> 01:54:30.960 McKinney there's it's an intersection right? It's like busy 01:54:30.960 --> 01:54:33.159 and there's there's nothing 01:54:33.920 --> 01:54:35.920 and so 01:54:38.319 --> 01:54:39.520 Sorry 01:54:39.520 --> 01:54:42.680 So you're looking for some pedestrian crossing pedestrian 01:54:42.680 --> 01:54:46.279 signal at that intersection. Is that what you're something 01:54:46.279 --> 01:54:47.920 we can do in the meantime 01:54:50.399 --> 01:54:54.170 Pedestrian signal for crossing. Yeah, right. I mean, I'm 01:54:54.170 --> 01:54:55.039 sure that when those 01:54:55.960 --> 01:54:58.420 Intersections when the intersection is upgraded there's 01:54:58.420 --> 01:55:01.310 gonna be quite a bit of stuff there. But when we're looking 01:55:01.310 --> 01:55:02.359 at the McKinney 01:55:03.880 --> 01:55:06.239 Design, I know we were gonna look at something for sidewalk 01:55:06.239 --> 01:55:06.800 s first 01:55:06.800 --> 01:55:10.720 So maybe we can get that incorporated as well, too 01:55:11.319 --> 01:55:16.489 And an update on the green ribbons project or program with 01:55:16.489 --> 01:55:17.680 landscaping 01:55:17.680 --> 01:55:20.850 I I don't know if that's is that our department or this 01:55:20.850 --> 01:55:21.600 committee 01:55:21.600 --> 01:55:24.250 It was mentioned that that's who takes care of the 01:55:24.250 --> 01:55:26.539 landscape through the parks department 01:55:27.560 --> 01:55:28.720 Okay 01:55:28.720 --> 01:55:30.520 Okay 01:55:30.520 --> 01:55:32.520 No, I'm good. Let's see our go 01:55:33.600 --> 01:55:36.970 If we could bring back the bike lanes on Hickory discussion 01:55:36.970 --> 01:55:40.300 as a part of this larger Hickory Street options 01:55:40.300 --> 01:55:43.710 I'd like to go ahead and start moving that along. Are you 01:55:43.710 --> 01:55:44.359 talking about? 01:55:44.880 --> 01:55:48.189 Where they already are or no the new bike lanes that we had 01:55:48.189 --> 01:55:49.840 talked about we tabled 01:55:50.600 --> 01:55:53.140 Okay as a council so but 01:55:54.439 --> 01:55:56.699 Along the University of North Texas campus. Yes 01:55:57.720 --> 01:55:59.520 Fry Street area. Yes, okay 01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:02.819 And especially as it relates to how we're gonna configure H 01:56:02.819 --> 01:56:03.800 ickory Street 01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:07.470 Just the next block over like to understand that as a 01:56:07.470 --> 01:56:08.840 complete project 01:56:12.000 --> 01:56:16.539 For the next meeting if we could have a specific discussion 01:56:16.539 --> 01:56:16.960 about 01:56:17.800 --> 01:56:21.100 Dedicating funds for sidewalks and creating a dedicated 01:56:21.100 --> 01:56:21.920 sidewalk fund 01:56:22.840 --> 01:56:25.579 And where that money might come from just note 01:56:25.800 --> 01:56:29.270 there's I think eight hundred forty thousand dollars that 01:56:29.270 --> 01:56:31.079 we found in this budget cycle that would probably be 01:56:31.920 --> 01:56:33.840 available I 01:56:33.840 --> 01:56:35.840 remember when we find money 01:56:38.039 --> 01:56:43.119 And then maybe as a part of that sidewalk discussion a 01:56:43.720 --> 01:56:47.020 Top three list of the most important or high priority 01:56:47.020 --> 01:56:50.600 sidewalks that you already have on file and 01:56:51.000 --> 01:56:54.130 What that might cost so that we have just a discussion 01:56:54.130 --> 01:56:58.000 about what that funding needs to look like going forward 01:56:58.720 --> 01:57:00.520 with examples 01:57:00.520 --> 01:57:03.989 Okay, just we gotta go. Okay. One last thing I forgot is 01:57:03.989 --> 01:57:04.199 the 01:57:04.960 --> 01:57:07.750 congestion mitigation air quality improvement project 01:57:07.750 --> 01:57:08.659 funding we had 01:57:09.520 --> 01:57:12.619 Sidewalks that we for the schools that we had applied for 01:57:12.619 --> 01:57:15.960 for that and just an update on those please on that 01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:17.960 I have a letter here 01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:20.640 At the next meeting 01:57:21.760 --> 01:57:25.609 Need detail from her after the meeting because it's 1132 01:57:25.609 --> 01:57:28.500 and we're going to adjourn this meeting 01:57:28.800 --> 01:57:31.039 Thank you all. Thanks for the reports 01:57:39.520 --> 01:57:44.500 [ Silence ]