Sep 01, 2015 City Council on 2015-09-01 1:00 PM

[ Silence ] [ Music ] >> I'm going to say good morning because we've been here since 9 o'clock, but I'm going to say good evening. Good evening. I wanted to welcome you to the September 1st, 2015 Denton City Council meeting. It's 6 31 and if you would join me in standing and pledging to the U.S. and the Texas flag. [ Applause ] >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. I pledge allegiance to the Texas flag and to the state of America, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> We have some proclamations that I'll come down and recognize. [ Silence ] >> We have a proclamation for blood cancer awareness month. I'm not sure if they're here this evening. If not, we'll be sure and mail that to them. Anyone here for blood cancer awareness month? All right. Thank you. [ Silence ] Live United Month. Gary, you all come on down and introduce yourself and tell us the month we're celebrating. [ Silence ] >> I'm Mark Sacco. I am the chairperson for United Way of Denton County and this is September is Live United Month. >> I'm Carol Kyer on the executive board. >> Mark Murkey and I'm on the executive board. >> Gary Henderson and I'm the CEO of United Way of Denton County. >> Give us just a real brief description of what Live United Month is. >> Wow. What is it not? >> That's better. >> So obviously United Way has been a staple in our community for years and years and years. Our goal is to raise money to help people in our community. Effectively, we do things relating to just about any need that a person in our community might have. For example, we've been tackling the question of mental health. And what's surprising is that mental health affects just about everybody. Everybody in our community in some form, some fashion is affected by it. If you look at our jails, what do you see? Lots of folks that are in jail because of a mental health reason. So we're trying to get a grasp around that and trying to help those folks and figure out how does that impact. Because mental health, and I'm just picking on one subject, if you're unable to perform, well, you're probably not providing for your family. You're probably not helping to educate your children very well. You're probably not doing a lot of things that you otherwise could if you were properly diagnosed and treated. So that's one of the things. And so we have the Coalition on Mental Health. We've also helped out with the Mayor's Job Program this year. And that's a new program that, effectively new, I believe, that is basically helping kids who need the help the most, teenagers, high schoolers, to get jobs and learn and gain skills. We also do an income tax service that helps out elderly folks and folks that have limited means to be able to get free tax services instead of going to a tax preparer. We've also tackled the, and you all are familiar probably with Bank on Denton, it's a way to tackle the loan sharks out there, the payday loans, the payday lenders. And the list goes on and on as well as we support 20 agencies in our community that provide all the way down to the most basic service. I wasn't really prepared to talk, but I hope I did okay. Mayor, thank you so much for honoring us today. Thank you. Thank you. Absolutely. [applause] Well, I will tell you, I will read a proclamation, but there's no way that words on a piece of paper can explain the great blessing that Denton County realizes as a result of United Way and all the many programs that they're involved in and all the new initiatives that they're involved with. So really do appreciate all that you guys do for our community. You're there day in and day out helping the nonprofits that you support, and really to support the people in our county. So thank you very much. Thank you. This is a proclamation by the mayor of the city of Denton, Texas, whereas United Way of Denton County achieves its mission to improve lives in Denton County by mobilizing community resources that identify and address critical issues in the areas of education, income, and health, the building blocks for a better life. And whereas United Way of Denton County's Collective Impact Initiative, Denton County's Citizens Council on Mental Health rallied support this past year to launch a Denton County Behavioral Health Leadership Team to develop strategies that will improve the behavioral health system in our community. And whereas across Denton County, one in three children are at risk of dropping out of school. I'm going to repeat that one more time. Across Denton County, one in three children are at risk of dropping out of school. United Way of Denton County and community collaborators continue to mobilize volunteers through Mentor Denton to help at-risk children succeed in school. And whereas United Way of Denton County serves as the backbone organization for collective impact initiatives, including Pre-Kindergarten Readiness Coalition, Bank on Denton County, Denton County Works Job Interview Training for Youth, the Mayor's Summer Youth Jobs Initiative, Project Blueprint Board Training, school-based community centers, and the Volunteer Income Tax Assistance Program. And whereas this past year, 12,026 generous donors gave a total of $2.468 million, almost $2.5 million, to support the mission of the United Way of Denton County grants to 20 partner agencies and collective impact grants that target unmet local needs. And therefore, it actually is really my pleasure and honor that I, Chris Watts, Mayor of the City of Denton, Texas, do hereby proclaim September 2015 to be Live United Month in the City of Denton and join United Way of Denton County donors, volunteers, and partners in calling on all residents to live united and give, advocate, and volunteer. So thank you all very much for what you do for our community. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much , Mark. Thank you. [Applause] Let's see, Phil. Phil, I'm just going to, you're going to be last. Is that okay? I'm going to do the, all right. Sorry. I don't have my glasses on. Okay. This is for the Denton Dolphins Day. So everybody that's involved in the Denton Dolphins Day program, come on down. [Silence] I'm going to have you all introduce yourselves and tell us a little bit about the Denton Dolphins. I'm Kathy Avery. I'm the program area manager for aquatics. And if you're not familiar with the program, it's a recreational program affiliated with the Texas Amateur Athletic Federation. We've been affiliated with them for as long as I've been here. It's been a long time. Every year we offer a program both at the auditorium in the off season in fall and spring, and then also in the summer we work out at the Civic Center Pool. And this year we had several of our swimmers that not only competed locally, but all of them went to regionals. Many of them qualified to go to state. Several of them also went to the nationals this year in Nebraska. And we qualify every two years to do that. We're extremely proud of them. We started with 89 swimmers at the beginning of the summer. In the fall we don't get to have quite as many just because we don't have enough space, lane space to keep accommod ating that many swimmers just indoors. But we've had a wonderful year. We've had some very dedicated coaches and athletes. At this time I'd like for them to introduce themselves, starting with the head coach. I'm Carla Parr. I'm the head coach for the Denton Dolphins. I'm Maddie McAlister. I'm Hannah Hickman. I'm Joe Morales. Jack Racin, assistant coach. Rosalie Byer, assistant coach. Alright, well let me read this proclamation. Proclamation by the mayor of the city of Denton, Texas. Whereas the 2015 Denton Dolphin swim team, as part of the city of Denton aquatics program competing with TAAF, which stands for Texas Amateur Athletic Federation, has achieved recognition on both the state and national levels, proudly representing the city of Denton. And whereas of the roughly 90 summer athletes, seven qualified for the summer games of Texas in College Station, Texas, with four competing including Emma Calvert, Juliana Holland , Will Lemons, and Kaitlyn True, who earned a silver medal. And whereas three national qualifiers competed in the state games of America and Lincoln, Nebraska, including Hannah Hickman, who earned gold. Who is it? Okay, alright, who earned gold. [applause] Who earned gold, silver, and bronze medals. Maddie McAlister, who earned one gold and three silver medals. [applause] And Joseph Morales, who earned two gold and one bronze medal. [applause] And whereas this success was largely made possible by the dedicated efforts of the Denton Dolphins coaching staff, including Carla Perriman, head coach, Cassie Pritchard, assistant coach, and Rosalie Bayer, assistant coach, sorry, and Jack Racin, assistant coach. Therefore, I, Chris Watts, mayor of the city of Denton, Texas, do hereby proclaim September the 1st, 2015, as Dent on Dolphins Day in the city of Denton, and ask all residents to honor the Denton Dolphins swim team for all their accomplishments and admiral representation of the city of Denton. Congratulations to all of you. [applause] Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations. Thank you guys for helping. Thank you all very much. Thank you. Bill? Come on in guys. I'm very, very proud to bring in some of our linemen. We, 19 years ago, things come full circle. Roddy Patterson competed in the first, second, and third Texas linemen rodeo, and now is superintendent at DME, and has Lanny here who competed three, four, has competed also, and is now our rodeo coordinator. And a linemen rodeo, as you see some pictures here, is a way for us to encourage our linemen to practice and perfect their skills they need for their job. And they compete with other organization co-ops and municipal utilities from across the state. At this year, there were 103 apprentices that competed, and we didn't just show up, we showed off. We had first and second place out of 103 apprentices. [applause] Let me just read some of the things that they came away with. We told them to bring home some hardware, and they certainly did. The apprentice overall, first and second place, Tanner Hold er was first place, Blake Smith was second place. Apprentice written test, Tanner Holder was second place there. We had journeyman Hurtman rescue, which you see there is a picture of that. Good timing. They've asked me before to participate in the practice drill. I do not volunteer to be the dummy. But we had second place on the team there, Curtis Espinall, Ryan Clearman, and Ethan Horton. Ethan and their team is out working tonight, so they may show up here in a few minutes. First place, Patrick Campbell for journeyman Polkline individual and journeyman Polkline team. Abraham Goodneck, Patrick Campbell, Jason Wallam. And then we had other competitors also, somebody named Michael Penton, Randy Key, Daniel Hutchins. We also furnished several judges that participated in the judging the contest. All of our teams scored in the top five of the competitions they competed in. I'm just very proud of them, very proud that the linemen we have, when they get called out, they're not just coming out to do their job, they're coming out to serve their neighbors. And just really appreciate them and the hard work they put in on their time to practice and practice their skills so they can go compete in this on the weekend again on their time to do so well in this contest. Really appreciate their efforts. Thank you all very much. [Applause] Thank you gentlemen. Thank you so much for representing Denton very well. Okay, if we could have the review of procedures for addressing the City Council. The Denton City Council has adopted rules of procedure including a code of conduct which applies to citizens as well as council members. These rules were enacted to promote an orderly process and to preserve decorum. Here is a brief review of the rules that apply to citizens' reports. Citizens will have four minutes to give a report. There will be an electronic beep when time has expired. If the remarks are not concluded by that time, the citizen will be asked to stop speaking. If the citizen does not cease and a second request is made, the mayor will request to have the citizen removed from the council chambers. Citizens are asked to not approach the dais. If a citizen has papers or other materials to hand out to the council, please let the city secretary know and she will have a staff member distribute the materials to the council. The attorney general has ruled that council members may listen to citizens speak and may ask questions of citizens for clarification of the issue. Council members will not engage citizens in discussion of a topic because to do so could potentially be a violation of the Open Meetings Act. When speaking to the council, citizens are to direct all remarks and questions to the council as a whole and not to any individual member. Please refrain from making abusive, personal, impertinent, profane or slanderous remarks. Anyone who violates this rule will immediately be removed from the council chambers. Citizens' adherence to these rules will help make an effective presentation and will preserve the order and decorum of our proceedings. Copies of the rules of procedure are available from the city secretary. Okay, so we're on agenda item three, which is a presentation from members of the public. Our first speaker, number one, is Sam O'Donnell regarding a petition for a skate park. If you'll come down and state your... Hey, now that's more applause than I get. We can't have that. If you'll just state your name and address, your time will begin. Sure. My name is Sam O'Donnell. Appreciate you guys' time today and appreciate everyone coming to support this cause. Basically, my goal today was just to help raise the awareness and bring the attention to our city representatives, the need for a local and concrete preferred skate park in Denton. I'm a current resident, UNT alumni, and I work at the Dent on Skate Supply local skate shop here in Denton. Just like the first day, we appreciate the skate park we do currently have. Without that, there'd really be nowhere to skate for us, and that's been great over the last few years. But as time goes by, we've started to see other skate parks kind of pop up in the area, Roanoke, Lewisville mainly. And started to feel like the park we have here is a little bit outdated, not only that, but out of the way, a little bit farther out of the central Denton area than I think a lot of people are able to get out to. So I guess not only that, but... Oh, I forgot. Our current skate park also. I brought some pictures here. I did recently see that there was a lot of maintenance. I stopped by the park, you know, very frequently. I noticed there was some maintenance done on the park, you know, sporadically throughout the last few years. But even so, you see in the left picture, like, there's the screws kind of sticking out, falling out, metal pieces kind of coming off the ramps gradually. The middle picture there just kind of shows how the layout doesn't really make sense. Those ramps are actually intended to be launched off of, and there's no landing. And then this fence here just kind of has the brackets broken off, which I think can be dangerous on falling into the ramps. So what we started to do after hearing, you know, we're working at a skate shop, we are the ones who hear the people of Denton complain about this typically. We started actually taking a petition, basically calling for a new skate park in a more accessible area, thinking that Denton could definitely benefit from this happening as well, from people coming to visit it, and then we started to get a lot of support for our general public. Just in the two months that we had it open online, it got about 500 supporters. And then our in-store petition, which I handed to you guys, probably has about 500 as of today. I actually contacted Roanoke Parks and Rec director and Lewisville Parks and Rec director to kind of get an idea of what maybe were the main reasons why building one in Denton would be a good idea. They both reported that their skate park currently gets more participation than almost any other park they have in the area, excluding the water park directly across the street. So I just thought that would be good. Also, the age range of the participants, I think most people have a stereotype of skateboarders, in-liners, BMX ers being, you know, the teenager misfit kind of age group. And it's actually come to find out a lot of these people are actually older or even younger now, showing it with their kids. So I think the whole point of it being a wide age range demographic would definitely be great for the city. I've actually been a student in recreation leisure studies and used most of my school projects around how skateboard ing or just recreational sports period benefit an individual or the community. One of those main factors being the fact that having a skate park provides a safe area for people to participate in these activities. Currently, most of the laws in Denton are kind of confusing when it comes to where you can and cannot skateboard. So I think this would definitely help with that, as well as give people who are into maybe not the mainstream sports a place to get these health benefits and develop physically, socially, psychologically in those aspects. So what we'd like to hopefully have happen, as you see here , this is a concrete skate park. The current one we have is more of a metal park, like prefabricated skate light. So what we'd be hoping for is a concrete park in a more central area of Denton. I kind of showed where the current skate park here is in the top and more of a central Denton area there. I also kind of pointed out that I think that's Quaker Town Park would be awesome. That's right next to here, just kind of areas in those local Denton areas would be preferred. [bell rings] Appreciate it. We've got a couple questions for you. Sure. Council Member Hawkins. Thank you, Mayor. Thanks for doing this. You definitely coming out and bringing all these people with you. This is how things happen in Denton, so that's cool. I'm glad you had that drawing. I'm just wondering if it did have to be at the existing site, and let's say we put a new one there. Is the one that you want, is it quite a bit bigger? Is it the same size? Do you know? I think the main thing, I mean the bigger, the better it is . The more people are going to come, the more our residents are going to actually use it. So I think that's something obviously we desire, but I think really it's just a matter of a local, more centralized park would be greatly appreciated. I'm not saying we should tear down the one we currently have, because I think that's great that we have that as well, but I think a lot of people have trouble getting out there. They've started going to the parks in Roanoke, McKin ney, and Lewisville as an alternative to what we currently have. You should know the closer you get to downtown, it's just going to be tough. I'm not saying it's impossible. Totally understand. I'm from a rich group. I'm about to be 41, and I was skating in high school, so it's just, I don't do it anymore , or I probably wouldn't make it to many council meetings, but anyway, but thanks for coming out here. Of course. Great. Okay. Several, a few more. Council Member Johnson. Thank you, Mayor. Sam, thank you for putting all this together and for having the drive and initiative to kind of get this conversation going. And the rendering that you put up there, so is that an existing park somewhere? I think it's a concept park. This one you saw attached to our petition right there. That was just, I think, an image we looked up online to kind of get an idea. That's not entirely exactly what we want, but I think that would be much appreciated. And so the folks that you spoke to, Roanoke and Lewisville, they have the type of park that you would desire here. In those conversations, did you have any feel in the conversation for what it would cost to build one of those? I didn't get like exact costs. I mean, that's definitely something I could figure out from them, but kind of the way they put it was that the age groups, different demographics it covered kind of made it a good public funding thing for that. Just the fact that it covers so many people. The gentleman I spoke to in Roanoke said that the kind of justification for why they were willing to fund it, again, I'm not sure how much, was that they didn't really have any programs that were geared towards the middle demographic. So this obviously a highly participated sport and activities for that demographic, but it went towards all age groups. Okay. Thank you. Mayor Pro Tem Gregory. Thanks. Yeah, I'm over 41. And when I built my skateboard, I had used my old skates that you had the skate key to clamp on your shoes. And I first time I used them, I fell and hit my head. And as a result, I ran for city council. Yeah, it all explains it doesn't. So a couple of questions. In the parks that you're going to in the neighboring area, do they charge? No, the current like Louisville, Roanoke, McKinney parks are free. There are some skate parks that charge, but they don't seem to last when there's free public skate parks popping up everywhere. Do they open 24 hours a day? Do they have attendance there to monitor? How does that work? Typically, they're open about 10 to 10. Some of them have lights, some of them do not. Obviously, the ones that don't probably close around seven or eight. As for the second question, supervisors, staff there that are monitoring. I know the one in a, it's called Railroad Park in Louis ville. I think that one really, it's just that whoever they have, like that's a giant park, you know, lacrosse field, soccer fields, things of that nature. Staff that kind of regulates the whole park, not just the skate park. So I think what's best is to put the skate park next to some sort of other facilities that require some sort of supervision or maintenance in order to keep track of that. But I don't think it's also completely required or necessary to really maintenance it besides the trash at night possibly. Well, that was the final question, because do you ever see them connected with something like a BMX bike park or something? Yes, I mean, the one in Louisville does have all the other, you know, mainstream sports and even a dog park next to it. When it comes to the BMXing, skateboarding difference, really the park can be geared towards both. Some parks don't allow BMXs, BMX bikes, because they do more damage. But we really be happy with any kind of consideration for a park like this. And I think they should be allowed to as well. I don't think that'd be fair to them. Thank you very much. Council Member Rodin. Thanks, Sam, for coming out. And how many people, by the way, are here to support this? Just a show of hands. Holy mackerel. Well, thank you guys for showing up. Welcome to City Council. I'm sure for many of you the first time. I am 41. I had hair like down to here when I was in high school trying to do that skater thing. But I had more of the look than I had any skills. But hopefully my kids will get it. You mentioned Quaker Town Park. Are you able to use existing concrete creek beds as part of the design for something like this? I think that'd be an excellent idea. A lot of people actually go for the kind of creek beds as part of the obstacles they skate. I know we're not supposed to, but when there's not really a great public park in the area. That wasn't really a serious question. Yeah, I think it's true. So don't reveal too much about what folks do here in town. But a serious question related to this only because you brought it up. So I guess it's fair game. And I have heard this raised from other circles. And that is questions about what is the legalities in terms of being able to skateboard as a means of transportation in town. Which a lot of people do with longboards and whatnot. What do you understand? What are the rules? I've heard people say you can't even go down a street or sidewalk since you're kind of left. It's kind of ironic that you asked because I was actually stopped today for skateboarding in a street on UNT in order to prepare this presentation. So the current rules to my understanding, the officer informed me, you're allowed to skateboard across Denton sidewalks. Excluding the square that has places that have signs on it. You're not allowed to skate on that. But as for the streets, basically it's become a traffic violation is how they recorded it to me. Gotcha. So if there's no sidewalks, you just got to walk. You just got to walk it. Okay. Thanks. Well, thanks again for coming out. Of course. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Now I know when you asked about the creek beds, I thought the city manager was beginning to quake in his boots. But thank you so much and thank you all for coming out. I 've heard from several of you and I appreciate the initiative. Of course. And we certainly will take a look at that. Thank you. I appreciate your time. Thank you. You bet. Mayor, don't they have to stay for the whole meeting? Sorry, guys. Welcome to council. Our next speaker is Mr. Roy Messler representing the Mons ignor King Outreach Center regarding an update and request for funds. Since I figured the council has heard me speak about as much as they can stand for one day, one of my good fellow board members will present. Yeah, if you could just state your name and address, your time will begin. Thank you. Steve Murray, Aubrey. We own moms in Aubrey and we're on the advisory board, my wife and I. And just great privileges to council, mayor, for going to speak tonight. Roy did say that he was wore out this afternoon when he called me and it was kind of a long session, I guess. But we just really appreciate the fact that this building looks like it's going to be a homeless shelter. And about six months ago, the Monsignor King homeless shelter was homeless. And we had a meeting at the church and lo and behold, the city came along and we got to use this shelter for the time being. And two weeks ago, we had another meeting and we thought, oh boy, we're going to be homeless again. But we just appreciate the fact that the city can work with us and see the basis that we've done in the last six years for the community. And we're going to be able to help the community. We're going to be able to help the community. We're going to be able to help the community. We're going to be able to help the community. We're going to be able to help the community. We're going to be able to help the community. We're going to be able to help the community. We're going to be able to help the community. We're going to be able to help the community. Is this your first time to speak before us? Before the Dent Council? Yes. Okay, well then you're entitled to a free dessert. I'm entitled to a free dessert. Just like when you're first time to eat at Mom's, you're entitled to a free dessert. That's exactly right. And I see some familiar faces up here and we appreciate it also. But thank you so much for working with us and getting this project underway. Thank you. Thank you for what you do in our community. Thank you so much for that. Thank you. Yes, absolutely. Our next speaker is Claudette. Is it FET or FETI? I'm sorry. FETI. I'm sorry. I apologize. Regarding the coordinator position for the homeless and associated homeless needs. Hi. State your name and address and your time will begin. Sure. I am Claudette FETI. I'm the executive 2708 Glenwood in Denton. I'm sending a letter so that I wouldn't be, or a written page so I wouldn't be tempted to just read to you. I am a citizen. Additionally, I teach at Texas Women's University in the School of Occupational Therapy. And I volunteer at the Denton Community Health Clinic. And run a group we call Able Disabled, which includes people who are homeless, people who have psychiatric or mental health needs, and people with physical disabilities. And they wanted to do two things. They wanted to provide voice and advocate for the needs of the poor in Denton. They also wanted to develop productive occupations. And we've been doing some of both. This is part of. And doing some advocacy across a number of different fronts . And then also they're creating crafts that they're beginning to sell. And then we've developed a time bank to help divide those resources back out and build some skills and abilities. I'm here to advocate for increasing our support for people who are experiencing homelessness. And for people who are at risk of homelessness. And there is an overlap with the mental health issues that United Way reported. Certainly that is a big part of our population. I want to support, in addition to it sounds like you all are going to use the shelter, the old animal hospital as a shelter. And I absolutely support that. In addition I'd like you to think about extending the possibility of using it in the daytime. I don't think we make adequate use of our resources locally . I teach at university and I have lots of students who need community experience to apply what they're learning in the classroom. And they get that experience through a lot of the different things I do in the community among the ABLE disabled group. And I don't think we make good use of those resources. We have two universities here with lots of students who need experience. So I'd like to see us make better use of that. I want to support the Homeless Coalition's request for a coordinator. There are a lot of different services and things out there, but they're not very well coordinated. And I think we need to look at some of the resources that we're under utilizing. So that, churches, people with lived experience as well. I think we need to be looking at peer to peer. We need to be looking on this time bank to kind of help people build the opportunity to volunteer and reengage. And this would be another opportunity. And there are plenty of willing volunteers who know what it 's like to be homeless because they have that experience. And lastly, to think about the other ways that we spend those resources in jails and more restrictive placement because we don't have the supports that we need. So let's do it different. Thank you. And that's it. Thank you. [Applause] Okay. Okay. We've come to agenda item 3C, which is where we have additional citizens' reports. And this is a section of the agenda that permits anyone not registered for a citizens' report to make comments regarding public business on items not listed on the agenda . This is limited to four speakers per meeting with each speaker allowed a maximum of four minutes. So I've got three cards here. And as I call your name, if you would just come down and state your name and address and your time will begin. Timothy Swenson. And you can share with us what you want to talk to us about . Just name and address. Yes. I want to discuss about the Homeless Coalition and the support of the coordinator situation. And I also want to talk about the experience of the people that are disabled and the problem that they face is the homeless situations. There has been times that I needed a homeless situation where I needed help. And I went to shelter and unfortunately, as you can see with my service dog, I am a seizure patient. I had a seizure there. And because I had a seizure there, I was turned away and services were denied. And I have met people in wheelchairs. I've met people that are blind. I've met many different types of disabled people and they were just turned away because of the condition. And it's not so much of the condition, it's the fear of not understanding the conditions. And because of that, there is not the support and need and help for the people that are mentally ill to the physically handicapped. And there is a big, big issue out there at hand for the people that are disabled because they are the ones at the higher risk of becoming homeless because their financial income of just trying to pay for medications or just treatment just eats up their financial sources and then they don't have nowhere to go. And then when that happens, then it becomes a big issue for them and they try to go get help. And they are turned away because people don't understand the conditions and things of that nature. And I really wanted to give the support of quite a fit for being one to do the coordinator situation. And I'm also part of the Able Disabled Support Group situation. Fantastic. Council Member Hawkins. Thank you Mayor. Thank you for talking. I think that's pretty courageous of you. Thank you. Ultimately, what was it that kind of helped you or maybe if that's too personal, you don't have to answer. No, a lot did not help me to be frank with you. I just became more motivated to get help for the people that are disabled and the people that are mentally challenged. That's not nature because I see that there is a big demand for help. And I said, if nobody doesn't speak up like I'm speaking before you, nobody's going to do it. So that's why I decided to do this. And I figured the more to speak out, then maybe help will become available. Thanks for doing it. Thank you. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you, Tim. We appreciate that. Thank you very much. The next speaker. The next speaker will be Leah Duncan-Tim. Sorry if I mispronounced that. If you'll state your name and address, your time will begin . Okay. My name is Leah Duncan-Tim and I live at 418 Des Moines here in Denton. And I just really appreciate the opportunity to come before you to talk about homelessness here in Denton. And to reiterate what Mr. Swenson said about the physically handicapped are even more discriminated against and the mentally ill are also discriminated against. I really thank you for the opportunity to talk to you about this situation that exists in Denton and in Denton County. It's a countywide situation. I am part of ABLE disabled because I am disabled myself. I have not personally experienced homelessness, but I'm one crisis, one paycheck away from experiencing homelessness. And so far, God has seen fit that that has not happened to me. I have taken two women into my home, own home, on a voluntary basis who needed housing. One is sustaining and becoming self-supporting through my help and assistance and through the support of ABLE disabled. Unfortunately, one of the women that I took into my home was too mentally ill to be sustained in a private home situation. And so that was not successful. I think it's really important that we focus on peer-to-peer services, people with lived experience. Tim and I had an opportunity to attend a conference this weekend in support of that. And we like to try to get a group started here with peer-to -peer support, like I say, for people with lived experience. And there needs to be a range of support available. It doesn't help just to throw money at a situation and then , you know, the person uses the money, like Tim said, you know, for the immediate need that they have. And then the problem continues. I would like to ask for the council to consider a coordinator for the homelessness to coordinate services that are available already in Denton. I think we have a lot of repeat and repeat kind of services going on. And I think that the depth of the services that are available are not well known and well received because we have no central person to go to. And/or coordinate these services. And I agree with Claudette, who says that the universities are a great resource. And I've had the opportunity to work with some of the students from her classes at ABLE Disabled. And it's been a wonderful, very positive experience. So I encourage you to help us encourage the universities to participate in our situation. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. And we have one more card on the additional citizen report. It's Dylan Vassard. If you'll come down and state your name and address and your time will begin. Hello, I'm Dylan Vassard, 1409 Oxford, Denton, Texas. 1409 Oxford. Oxford. Okay. I'm sorry. So I've been here for about eight years. I'm an alumni of UNT as well. I just wanted to speak on behalf of Sam's skate park idea. So I'm in support for it. I have a couple of notes that y'all are asking questions about. Most of the parks around here are about $100,000. And there are actual websites that a lot of these parks that have gone built, they go to these builders that have kind of templated parks. So it keeps costs down for that. And the current plot can, it could accommodate a concrete park. There's no reason that it could not. Though I know that the they're advocating for more centralized area. And just wanted to speak as a minority voice in a minority sport. I don't skateboard and my friends don't. We rollerblade. But a lot of the parks around Texas and a lot of the free concrete parks actually, they cater more toward just skateboarding, which makes it not very enticing sometimes to go to these other parks because it just doesn't have the obstacles that you want. And then that ends up, it ends up that people would rather just skate street, which going to businesses and skating on their stuff, you know, it's does cause damages. I can see why no one wants their their rails or their stairs or whatever it is to be skated on. So anyways, I am the concrete park would I think it would be less maintenance overall because you don't have screws, wood ramps falling apart. It's for the concrete sets and it's done essentially. So I don't know if maintenance is an issue for the park or not currently. And sorry, these are just real quick notes. This is very formal. It makes me a little nervous, but I just wanted to get it get this out here. Take your time. And it's just an dent in a real art community. And I value that a whole lot. And it makes me feel better to be part of such a tight knit community. And for my generation, a lot of collaboration and creativity comes out of skate parks and meeting together. It's I get to meet with my peer group out there and my career is motion graphics and it's an art field. And a lot of people that I skate with and do these action sports with, they have similar fields. And I mean, I've gotten work from work from going to skate parks, just just talking to people and getting more involved in the community, essentially, maybe not doing necessarily charitable things, but meeting the people that are around in the community. And it's nice from that standpoint. And I really like that. So just more of opinions, I guess. And yeah, that's it. Well, thank you. Thank you for coming down, Sharon. What does she bet? We have one last card for the citizens, additional citizens reports because we're limited to four. It's Liz. Is it Em erson? Come down and state your name and address and your time will begin. Let me jump in. Sure. I didn't even plan on doing this today. My name is Liz Emerson and I live at 1225 Belmead Drive. So I just want to speak in support of the Monsignor King Outreach Center. I do street outreach as my primary function at Giving Hope, Inc. And it's really hard when it's hard to help people find jobs and get medical services and get everything they need when there's not a place to sleep at night. Having having all these great services and didn't really can't be utilized if we can't be consistent and have a place for people to stay regularly. We have a great hunger initiative happening right now in Denton. There's a harvest fest the second Saturday of every month to serve Denton. So I feel like we're addressing a lot of the basic needs, but we still haven't met that shelter. We just need a shelter for people to stay in, not not to be put through all these different, I guess, tests. And I survey people all day long. I'm the one that collects data. And it's just it's frustrating because I've been doing this for a year and a half now. And I do feel like I'm able to help some people, but I'm very limited in what I can do. And I advocate for what Claudette said about having a day shelter, especially for those that are disabled, not having to walk around all day long with we don't have a shelter currently for families. So there's a lot of things that need to be addressed in terms of just basic needs so that all of our wraparound services can be successful. Because if you don't have a mailing address, it's not going to be easy to get signed up for services or apply for a job . And if we're expecting people to quote unquote pull themselves up by their bootstraps with nowhere to lay their head without worrying about being ticketed or sleeping in places where it disturbs the other citizens in the community. I get reports about people sleeping places, people using the restroom places, things that I have no power to fix, but I know could be addressed. And we could send all of these specific services like having able disabled have a place to stay even though the community clinic has done so much. And I just think it would be so much easier to have a centralized place because bouncing people around is just not fair to them, especially when we're bouncing them to a place that may not be able to help them that day. So I just kind of want to put my two cents in. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay. That concludes the agenda agenda item or portion of our agenda where it's presentation from members of the public. So now we'll proceed on to the rest of the agendas for this meeting consent agenda agenda item number four. Councilman something happened. Councilmember Hawkins. Thank you, Mayor. I move approval of consent agenda items. Sorry. A through P . We have a motion. Mayor Pro Tem Gregory. Did we pull one of those? Okay. Second. We have a motion and a second. Let's vote on the board, please. Agenda carries consent agenda carries unanimously. Moving on now to agenda items number five, which I believe are items for individual consideration. Agenda item five a is considered nominations appointments to the city boards and commissions health and building standards commissions human service advisory committee parks recreation beautification board and zoning board of adjustment. We do have one card. Do we want the speaker to speak before we make any nominations or I think that'd be appropriate. Normally. Yes. Okay. Yes. We have a card. Mr. Willie Hutzp ah. No, that's fine. And I do have a nomination. So, yeah. Thank you, Mr. Hutzpah. Name and address your time will begin. Name is what I asked for 11623 Newton. The boards and commission commissions are nominated by you all. What I don't follow is how you choose people and how you vote them off. It seems like you just vote your friends on there, not those who offer to serve. I don't think you'll have good government like that good fair balanced government. When you just pick your friends and individuals nominated for the animal shelter or whatever that board is and several of you voted for that nomination to fail. And I'm thinking, well, who do you want on those? Who do you want on the boards? You know, I thought about that. I would never get nominated to be on a board with this group. I don't think so. You would never have my insight. All you have is puppets. And that's not good. That's not good. And one side note before I wrap up. Nice award for DMZ. The Denton municipal DMZ. Not one African American anything in that group. In fact, that's one of the groups that I'm going to be talking about later on. They're not any hired. You don't have any administrators in that in that in that pool. The electrical equipment operating pool, the manager part never in the history. Have you ever had an African American in those in that spot? That's just an aside. So if you're going to get back to the issue that I'm speaking to if you're going to pick boards and commissions. From the standpoint, it has to be someone all of you like. You ought to put that in there. Don't get bored and ask for people to serve in board and commission. And then it's so embarrassing for one of you to have nominated the person. And then some of you voted him him off. I don't guess I can mention his name. He doesn't mind me missing his name. But this thing you put up there about what you can do and can't do. I'll just have to check later on if I can mention the person's name. But you all know who it is. And I think some of the audience know who it is, too. So put that in there. We have to like them. All of us. Or they can't be on boards and commissions. Thank you, Mr. Husband. Do you have a nomination for the I think it's a health and building standards? Steve Mossman. Steve Mossman. Some of you might recognize that name. He was the tax assessor collector for many, many years. And so he's agreed to serve on that on that committee if he gets so approved. And I still have one outstanding, which I'm working on. I apologize. Is there any other? Am I the only one that's left? OK, well , there you go. So that's my nomination is Steve Mossman for that. Do we do we have to have a motion and vote on that? All right. Chair would entertain a motion. Council member, pro tem Gregory. Thank you, Mayor. I would move that we approve the slight as presented in our backup, including your addition. OK. Council member Hawkins. I second. We have a motion and a second on the floor. Let's vote on the board, please. Carried unanimously. Let's see. Going on to five B. OK. We got a card to speak on it, though. Yeah. Let me call it. I lost my place in my agenda. I apologize. Including items. OK, five B, I'll call the item is considered option of an ordinance of the city of Denton, Texas, approving an economic development agreement for the incentive grant between the city of Denton, the board of directors of the tax increment reinvestment zone. Number one city didn't Texas. We do have a card to speak on this. Mr. Willie Husbeth, if you'll come down to speak on agenda item five B, state your name and address and your time will begin. My name is Willie Husbeth. I live at 623 Newton. Mayor and council members. The ordinance process is that you make suggestions, someone does, and then you all deliberate about it and then you come up with your votes. I think that's the way it works. So your votes to either accept it or not or make comments and adjust it as you think it needs to be adjusted. By the way, that last vote, I guess you all liked Mr. Moss man. Everybody liked him. So that's how he got in. The mayor nominated him. Boy, that would have been a lot of fun had they voted you. But they didn't. So we like him. Back to the ordinance. I think that process needs, you just need someone in the process that just don't agree with you on everything. That 's not good government. Have someone who sees a different perspective and then have them talk about the ordinances because there are some really bad ones as far as code enforcement that came about in situations like this. You change the name of that organization, code enforcement. But the people that you have in place of that group are enforcers. That's all they do is enforce. And so I think that the ordinance process should be a little bit different and then you should have a little bit more input and what it is that you're voting for. Thank you . Thank you, Mr. Husband. Mayor pro tem Gregory. Five B. On item five B I move that we postpone until September 15. Councilmember Hawkins. I'll second. You have a motion to second to postpone till September 15. Let's vote please. Motion carries. The only reason I hesitated that the motion said motion to table. I guess that's just because of the the way the electronic thing is. I'm assuming that's still correct. Okay. All right. Thank you. I just wanted to make sure. Thank you. Madam, Senator, Secretary. We'll go on to agenda item for public hearings agenda item 6A and believe the new procedure now is I'll read the caption and then open the public hearing and then we'll have staff presentation and then anyone wishing to speak on that agenda item is welcome to come down and speak. So 6A is hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the city of Denton, Texas, providing for an amendment to a detailed plan for a single family development within a plan development district zone on approximately one point three seven acres of property. You're opening the public. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. I will open the public hearing public hearing is now open. Thank you, Mayor. And I'll call on Amy Bissett, our director of development services to present this case. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor and City Council members. What you're considering this evening is an ordinance to amend a detailed plan. Get the presentation up here. This is an ordinance amending a detailed plan for a single family development. This is plan development number 12 and the purpose is to simply amend the detailed plan to incorporate approximate 2.9 acres into the plan. And this is this case is going to look familiar to you because this is the fourth time you've seen it this year. But each each item is a step in the process that that is necessary. This is a detailed plan that is located just off of State School Road near the boundary of the city of Corinth. This past couple of months, you've had two public hearings related to amending that boundary to be able to incorporate this additional point 2.9 acres into the city of Denton. The plan development essentially bifurcated the city of Denton and the city of Corinth boundaries. We have since made that boundary adjustment, as you can see here. And the full area of the detailed plan is now included in the city of Denton limits. As I indicated before, this is located just off of State School Road. It's near the intersection of Waterford Way and Winston Drive. On the area presented overhead, the overall yellow line represents the entire plan development. However, the small sliver on the southern boundary is the only piece incorporated in the detailed plan. The reason for that is that the rest of that plan development is in the floodplain. So this small sliver is the only part that will actually be developed. It is zoned as the plan development number 12. It is designated for residential low density in our future land use map. And this particular detailed plan calls for a cluster housing is the plan concept. And that plan concept was approved previously, but it is consistent with this future land use designation. We have considered the boundary adjustment agreement, which is now complete. The concept plan, which was approved in October of last year, calls for cluster housing, which is a residential development that the developer has defined in their concept plan to be anything less than six dwelling units per acre. This particular layout calls for 5.8. And so their detailed plan is consistent with their concept plan, which was approved in October. And it is consistent with the Denton plan 2030. The planning and zoning commission recommends approval seven to zero and staff recommends approval as well. And with that, I'll be glad to take any questions. Any questions for staff before we go to our public speakers ? Seeing none. All right. We have a card, but of course, this is a public hearing. So anybody wishing to speak does not have to sign up for a card. But Mr. Willie Hutzpeth, you'll come down. I'll go get him. Okay. While we're waiting, if anybody else is wishing to speak on this agenda item, please come down and state your name and address. Anybody else wishing to speak on this agenda item 6A? All right. Well, we'll wait for Mr. Hutzpeth to come in. You got a question? Okay. We've got a question. Amy. So you said just the front part is going to be developed so the backspace, the floodplain is going to stay trees and -- That's correct. The only piece incorporated in the plan are those eight lots and that small sliver. Thank you. Mr. Hutzpeth, just state your name and address for agenda item 6A. Thank you. We already know it, but for the record. My name is Willie Hutzpeth. I live at 620 Lee Newton. I'm here in council members. I'm concerned that I have a house on Bonnie Bray and these lines are going to come down through where my house is. I paid attention to what was told me that was going to happen with those transmission lines. Am I on the right one? Yeah, we're on 6A, which is a residential -- which is a planned development amendment. I believe yours was -- or the one you're speaking on. Which one is that? He's on 6B, but we're on 6A. Yeah, you did fill in a card for 6A, which is a -- 6A is adoption of an ordinance for amendment to a detailed plan. So if you'd like to speak on that, you're more than welcome , and if not, we'll get you on 6B. 6B, thank you. Okay. Thank you, sir, very much. Okay. This is a public hearing. Anybody else wishing to speak on agenda item 6A? 6A. Seeing none, I will close the public hearing. Councilmember Briggs? I make a motion to approve. All right, we have a motion. Councilmember Wasney? Second the motion. Second the motion. All right, we have a motion and a second for agenda item 6A . Let's vote on the board. Motion carries, 7-0. Agenda item 6B, hold a public hearing, consider approval of resolution for the proposed transmission line route for construction expansion and use of electric power transmission lines beginning on the Bonnie Bray substation of Dent Municipal Electric. Boy, my speech is flaring. It's getting so late. We've been here so long. I apologize. We will now open the public hearing for agenda item 6B. We have a staff presentation. Yes, I'm sorry. Let me invite Mr. Brent Heath to come and present his public hearing. Thank you, Mr. Heath. Thank you, George. Good evening, Mayor, Councilmembers. This public hearing is for the Bonnie Bray to North Lakes transmission line project that we have. I'm going to move to a slide to refresh everybody's memory where this is at. The red outer loop lines around the city of Denton here are the 138 kV transmission line system that we presently have in operate. The green circle inside of the red is our existing 69 kV transmission line system. This is the portion of our transmission system that's targeted to be converted to 138 kV. The project tonight in question for this public hearing is Bonnie Bray to North Lakes identified as number 5 in the top left-hand corner of this map. It's also identified here in the bottom right-hand corner, and it says that this is to replace aging structures and increase capacity. We do analysis and studies of our entire transmission system. One of the formal reports that we do each year required by NERC is a FERC 715 study. The FERC 715 study says we have to analyze the entire system, identify any weaknesses, and we must go ahead and figure out a way to upgrade the line to prevent any type of issues in the future. One of our engineering consultants is Power Engineers. This is a constraint map that they prepared that shows where the Bonnie Bray substation is at right in this area at the bottom of the map, and the North Lake substation in the top third of the map to help orient some other identifiers. This is I-35. This location in the bottom third is US 380 or University Drive. And up here in the north top is Loop 288, US 77, and Riney Road here with North Lake substation. Presently, we have the 69KV line that runs from Bonnie Bray substation up Bonnie Bray, past Windsor, up to North Lake substation. The reason for the constraints map is we need to try to figure out are there other ways that we can get from station to station and what would be obstructions that would potentially be in the way. And so the orange or dark yellow color here indicates resid ences or homes where people live. The area outlined in green is the city of Denton Park, North Lakes Park. It shows the blue route that I'll show in another map that 's a little easier to see and some possible routes that I'll discuss. This map is a zoomed in area showing Bonnie Bray at the bottom, North Lake substation at the top, existing route runs straight up Bonnie Bray. We had a yellow route that was proposed that we wanted to have under consideration as well as an orange route and a green route. On the right hand side of this map, it's zoomed in from Windsor Avenue, which is halfway, about halfway between Bonnie Bray and North Lakes, a little bit closer from Winds or up to Rony Road. One of the things that our engineering consultant, Power Engineers, has requested that we do, that they do across the country, is to go ahead and do a matrix, talk about the pros and cons of each of these route options. So we identified nine different options that they said are typically used for transmission line, length of the routes, length of the right of way that would require new transmission line right of way or easements, how close is it to roads, how close to residences, other items, or any of the landowners of the property willing to negotiate or work with you on easements or land sales. So we have the blue route column, which is the existing route. We have the yellow transmission line route as proposed by one of the neighbors in the area, which is right here. And the orange route, which is the yellow route with a little variation at the northern end. And the green route, which is the yellow route with another variation. The items and numbers that are identified in bold font are some of the positive route indicators. An example of that would be this very first line item, the length of the alternate routes. The blue between Bonnebrae and North Lakes is 8,175 feet, 8 ,127 feet linear length between Bonnebrae down, way down here all the way at Bonnebrae to North Lakes. The yellow route would be 8,581, so you can tell there's a difference of 300 feet right there. The orange route would be a little bit further, and the green route is the longest route. And you can look down through each of these line items to see how they compare with each other. One of the things that I wanted to note at the bottom of this map is the apparent landowner's willingness to sell land for easement. The blue route, the existing route, is identified as yes, whereas the yellow, the orange, and the green are no. This is because on this map, if you look at the right-hand side, the yellow route, the orange route, and the green route, all of this land right here is owned by a single property owner, and the property owner would be the Razor families. And the Razor families said that they would prefer that it remain in its existing location, and they would be willing to sell some additional easement for the additional width that would be required between 69 kV to 138 kV. Whereas, they said, since they own the property, their preference would not be to subdivide and split up the property that they own. We also have another home that's up here, southeast corner of Ronnie Road and Bonnie Bray. This homeowner has indicated through the second open house that they also are willing to negotiate with the city. We had, this was an involved process back in November 2013, we held the very first open house for the North Lake Sub station Project and the transmission line. We went to the Public Utility Board in January of 2014. At that time, during the public hearing at the PUB meeting, they recommended that we only move forward with the Sub station Project North Lakes, but postpone approving and recommending the transmission route. And that was because during the public hearing, the citizens, some of the homeowners got together and presented an alternate route that they would like to have analyzed. And so we moved forward only with the Substation Project, came to City Council February 2014, and it was approved. We had a second open house, which was promised at the Public Utility Board when they said that the transmission line would be delayed and put on hold to analyze the alternate routes. We had that on June the 29th, 2015 at the North Branch Library. And we held a Public Utility Board public hearing on August the 10th, 2015. And after that public hearing, the Public Utility Board recommended moving forward with the blue transmission line route. To give you some numbers on the open house summary, the meeting was on June the 29th. We held out June the 15th 141 notices to people that would be potentially affected within 500 feet of the transmission , any of the transmission line routes. 18 people attended the meeting and we received back 12 comment forms. One of the questions that was on the survey said, do you understand why the transmission line needs to be, why it's needed and why it needs to be rebuilt? 100% of the people that responded to the survey said yes, they understood. It's kind of rare to get 100% of people to agree on anything, but they agreed that the lines there needs to be rebuilt and they understand the need. This is another question that was on the survey. If you look to the top left hand corner, the top two sites or routes, you can reference on the right hand side. The top two routes, the blue route and the green route were the two most strongly opposed routes. Whereas on the right hand side, the top two strongly supported routes was the yellow route and the blue route. So the blue route made it both strongly opposed and strongly supported. Here's some of the comments with quotes that came back from the surveys. Philip Baker, he's the representative for the Razor family, in quote, he said, we request the blue route, the existing route be used for the reconstruction of the transmission line along the east side of Bonnie Bray. Any of these routes would impact property that the Razor family is on. I'll let you read through these, but I'll highlight a couple of points. One of the comments said look at the aesthetic value and this goes down to the Razor Ranch property, so consider that. Another comment says the green line easement, which is the furthest east one, would take up most of their backyard. Most likely it would require them to move a building and that they think that the blue route would be the cheapest to run and to maintain. Another citizen came in and said be sure and consider the aesthetic impact, the visual impact, because the Razor Ranch shopping centers. Another citizen said I believe the blue option provides the least expensive option since the right of way has been established for many years. This original line has been in place since the early 60s and it's been there for many years. Another citizen said the house is on the corner of Bonnie Bray and Riney Road. The line would run right over their front door on their house and so there would be some easements that would be needed. And this is one of the landowners that through the second public hearing, excuse me, public open house, has indicated that they're willing to negotiate with the city. It's not only due to the transmission line, but they also are aware that on the mobility plan, at some point in the future, Bonnie Bray will be widened and also Riney Road will be widened. It's a secondary arterial and a collector street and they will be widened so they know that it will be squeezing their existing house from two different sides. So the next public involvement steps based on citizen comments from the two open houses, the positive indicators from the valuation matrix, the engineering factors, willingness of the impacted property owners to work with staff and PUB's recommendation during the public hearing for the blue option. DME recommends, staff recommends moving forward with the Bonnie Bray to North Lakes transmission line along the existing blue route. I'd be happy to answer any questions that you have now or after the citizens speak. Any questions for staff at this time? Will we go to speakers? Councilmember Wasney. So after Bonnie Bray is widened and we look at the center point of the road to the transmission line, there is a rule that said that's supposed to be 60 feet. Is that correct? And will this be 60 feet from the center point when the road has been widened? I'd like to be able to answer that question. I'm not an electrical engineer, not a civil engineer, and we have engineers at the city that actually do mobility plan and road projects. But the location of where the existing wood pole line is at is presently around 32 and a half feet east of the existing east curb line. And our new steel transmission pole line would be within two to three feet east of that, which would accommodate any future widening of Bonnie Bray. So I guess I come back to my question, is there a rule on the books that it's supposed to be 60 feet from the center of the road? And if it's not currently -- You're talking 60 foot easement for the transmission line? Yeah, from where the pole and the transmission line -- One of the things, the advantages of keep having a transmission line parallel to an existing roadway, which is one of the criteria in the evaluation matrix, is you don't have to have the full 75 foot width easement. You can utilize the road as a portion of that 75 foot eas ement and only need half of that or a little bit more than that on the property side. And so the 75 feet used to be the 60 feet when we were using 69 KV lines. So I'm not sure if that's what you're referring to. That answers my question. And then another question, too. You have a large portion of property to the east and a large portion of property to the west. Can you tell me approximately how many acres are on each side? I know that you said there was one owner primarily to the east, but I believe we have a large chunk of land to the west and we only have maybe three or four property owners on that side. Do those two pieces of land, are they similar in size? Could you help redirect me to which section of land that you're speaking of? This is north of Windsor to the east. We have one property owner that owns kind of the big chunk of land. And then we have three or four property owners to the west just trying to establish that there's kind of an equal portion of acreage to the west as there is to the east of land owners that will be impacted by the blue line. On all four of these routes, the blue route, the yellow route, the orange route, and the green route, all four of those would impact a single property owner of any of these route options. If you're asking could we move the line to the west side of Bonnie Bray, there are some large property owners over there as well and that didn't seem as viable. Just trying to establish that we do have a large tract to the east and we have a large tract to the west. I just want to establish that fact. Yes, that is correct. Any other questions? Oh yeah. Any other questions? Were you? Okay, I'm sorry. Any other questions for staff before we take citizen comments? Thank you. All right, we've got a green card which is the first. That's kind. And the green card represents that the speaker will be representing four or more people and will have additional time. The speaker will be Joyce Poole, so Joyce if you could come down and state your name and address. I've got the four people you're representing, obviously yourself included. John Smith, Dorothy Smith, Eric Fullerton, and Marla Full erton. If you all are here, could you just raise your hand just so we can. Okay, great. Come on down. And you do have, because you are representing several speakers, you do have ten minutes to speak if you need it. And if you don't, that's okay too. I may just talk in one minute. I'm nervous. No, you'll do fine. Let me think. And if you just state your name and address once you begin, your time will begin. My name is Joyce, excuse me. My name is Joyce Poole. I reside at 3021 North Bonny Bray. I am speaking primarily tonight for those of us who live on the west side of Bonny Bray. Those properties, the five of us who are here tonight are Mr. and Mrs. John Smith, Mr. and Mrs. Eric Fullerton, and myself. Four others were unable to attend due to illnesses in their families, Mr. and Mrs. Sean Smith, and Mr. and Mrs. Tim Duke. You've just already seen the map, but I'll leave it there anyway. In answer to Mrs. Wozni's question, the combined property totals facing Bonny Bray, owned by the people I've just named, comes to over 50 acres. Mr. Razor's land is about 48 total, just for the record. Each of the families are personally affected by the placement of the proposed transmission lines, not only in our daily living, so near the lines, but in a very decreased property value for, according to real estate, articles on residential properties being located near transmission lines. For most of our homes, we will be about 100 feet from our property to the lines, or the transmission lines. From the neighborhood meetings with DME, conversations and surveys, it becomes obvious that no one wanted these lines near their homes. It's not in my backyard, the old famous syndrome. In order to seek a compromise of the homes on Hardaway and those on Bonny Bray, we had proposed the placement of the lines along the yellow line, or the yellow to orange. It could go either or just straight through. Excuse me. In reviewing the survey results, which I have downloaded, in the materials I noted that three of the 12 people who took the survey, or responded to the survey, were not residents of this area at all. So when you combine the support, or strongly support options, the percentages of each of those options, it results in 71.1% for the orange, 44.4% for the blue, 51.1% for the yellow, and 33.3% for the green, a huge 155% for anything but the blue. The Razor property representative has stated, "There are no plans for development on this land. It is just an investment property. There are approximately 48 acres, and they're currently used for ground crops." The 69 kilovolt line currently running along Bonny Bray are on wooden poles. They are set approximately 35 feet from the pole to the curb edge. And then if you went from the pole to the center line of the road, which I believe Ms. Wozni was indicating, that is currently between 55 and 60 feet, depending on which pole you measure from. We understand that a 60 to 75 foot distance is needed from the pole to the center line of a road for traffic safety. This is what we currently have. According to the mobility plan, Bonny Bray is scheduled for widening beginning in 2016 from I-35 to the south up to R iney Road, which is, well, you can see it there, up here. To Riney Road on the north, whether it will be a one lane or two lane seems not to be settled, per my own inquiries. This presents a major question concerning the placement of those transmission lines. DME has stated that the new lines could be placed three to five feet east of their current location, and that would allow for a road widening. That does not seem possible and still maintain the eas ements of a 60 plus foot needed to the center line of a road . It would seem even a minimum one lane road expansion would require the new poles to be placed 12 to 15 feet more to the east of the present poles. If a wider road is designed or an even greater distance may be needed or allowed for, then we have to again consider where that could be. Will there be a median that will increase a distance needed ? As traffic continues to increase, going both to razor shopping areas, our parks and homes, it is prudent to make this easement allowance now. While this is still all undeveloped land. As traffic continues to increase, too often we have not used good foresight for our need for sufficient roads to handle the traffic as Denton continues to grow. We ask you tonight to please amend your resolution to show a commitment of a new transmission line placement 15 feet or more to the east of the current location of the lines rather than the three to five foot. I think that needs to be in black and white so that we feel comfortable as residents and taxpayers. I might add or remind that the council should know that ERC OT does pay a percentage of required easements for transmission lines. So the cost should be of minimal impact overall and does affect the greater good of Denton's future growth. We appreciate your time and consideration of these issues and I hope I've answered questions. Thank you. Any, see no questions. Thank you. Thank you, John. We got a question. We got questions flying all over the place now. Councilmember Johnson. I couldn't get the screen to work. Thank you so much for the detail. I do need one point of clarification. Did you say you would prefer that it's 15 or 50 feet to the east of the current location? 15 minimum. But I think if you're going to consider there may be a two lane additional road width in the future, then you would need to double that and say 30 feet, probably 25 to 30 feet to the east. Where the current line is. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Councilmember Briggs. I just wanted to thank you for bringing it to my attention. When I was looking through the comments, I didn't necessarily see that there were that many in support of the blue line that did not live in the area. And I think that is vital for us to think about because when you go back to the chart of the graph, it strongly support and strongly disagree. If you take those out, it kind of changes the way that it is. And of those five and six people, three of those responders are not residents. Right. That's important. Thank you for that. Thank you. Mayor Pro Tem. My question is more for staff. When all of the citizen comments are done, I've heard people say something to the effect of the easement from the center line of the road. And I just need for staff to be prepared to give some clarification to that. I don't believe I've heard of requirements about center line when we're talking about easement. So I'll just want to get some clarification. Okay. Councilmember Wasney. I'd like council to consider a postponement on this until we do that. Well. Just to accommodate engineering to look at that 15 foot. That may be something we want to talk about after the public hearing. I mean, because you're talking about making a motion. Okay. So after that, after the public hearing. We can take a look at that and then discuss with staff some of the questions that we may have that might pertain to that. All right. That all the questions? Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you for your time and consideration very much. All right. We've got a couple more. We've got another card. Mr. Willie Hutzpeth on agenda item 6B. Transmission lines. Name and address for the record please. Thank you. Willie Hutzpeth, 623 Newton. Would you put this up? This picture that's on the screen here. If you could pop the screen image back up. Thank you. Okay. Question. How far does that, this yellow. What street is this right here? Can you see that? No, you can't. I guess you can't see that. I think it's north of Windsor. I'm not. Oh, yes. I see it now. Windsor. Okay. And the, I am not for the green. For obvious reasons, wherever the transmission line will affect individual properties naturally, you wouldn't want them there because of the disruption and property values. I own the piece right to the, that would be east of the green line. That's my property. Right? East of the green line. And I would not be for that. But it's just because it's my property and I want to move there or do something with it. And I don't want, I wouldn't want a transmission line there . Are these lines above ground or underground that they're going to be replacing within the blue? It's above ground? I believe so. We'll make sure we clarify that with staff. All right. And there are lines already in the blue. They would just be upgrading those lines, right? Okay. Yeah, I would not be for the green or the orange. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Public hearing, anybody else wishing to speak? I have a blue card, but it was wishing to speak last, so I want to call anybody else that has a desire to speak on this agenda item. This is a public hearing. Whether or not you fill out a blue card. Oh, Councilmember Rodin. Oh, we've got one more. I just want to, anybody else wishing to speak? We've got one card left. Mr. Philip Baker, if you'll come down and state your name and address, your time will begin. Philip Baker, 400 West Oak Street, Suite 200 Denton, Texas. Good evening, Mayor, Council. I represent Razor Investments, the owner of the property, and it's more like 55 acres and not 45. And it adjoins your property, this North Lakes Park. We share a common boundary on the west side. DME approached me several years ago and asked my opinion on this, and my first reaction was that it seems like those poles need to go back right where they are. Tony Bray's a major corridor. That's where you would want to locate things like this infrastructure in the least invasive way possible. And my reaction was they ought to just go back there. But I did tell them that if there was some compelling reason that the city or good engineering dictated another direction, I'd be open to listening to it. And they came back to me and indicated that from all their analysis, those poles needed to go back where my reaction was in the first, right where they are. So having said that, I'm not in favor of any of the other options. I don't think they're good for us, and I don't think they 're good for the city of Denton in North Lakes Park. The easement on Bonnie Bray, and I think I'm right about this, my understanding is it's going to be 75 feet wide because these poles are big. And that's the center. They would be on the center line of 75 feet. So for us, that's the least impact because part of Bonnie Bray will share that 75 foot easement. So the corridor will be not as negative for us. Now, if you want to go that yellow route, that is a big impact. There is already adjacent to your west boundary line, our E inside our property line. There's a 30 foot water line easement that has a 40 inch diameter water line in it that travels. It's in our property, but it's right adjacent to your boundary line, and it cuts across the north end of North Lakes to get somewhere north. So that's there. So this would have to, if you'd follow that yellow route, this would have to be right beside it. So you're talking about now 100 feet wide width. It's going to impact that property, our property, and there's going to be a negative impact. And that's going to cost. That's going to carry a cost with it. And then if you want to go north and split the property at the north end in two pieces, you're adding dollars. I mean, I don't want to get in a fight with you, but this is just not good land management to cut that into two pieces. And it's not, it is an investment property. It's not just an investment. It's held for investment. We don't have any plans, but nonetheless, that doesn't mean you want to wreck it in the meantime, as anybody would guess. So, and then I think the one big factor is you've cut that whole cloth in two pieces and North Lake Park is negatively impacted. I don't know what the future holds for that part, but there 's some of that land, maybe one day might look practical as part of the park. I don't think you're going to want electrical lines cutting it in two pieces. It's not practical and it's not good long term thinking. I think the obvious answer here is to put it up the blue route or DME wants it. I think it's the proper place as a landowner. And yeah, I mean, nobody wants this, but gee whiz, we all need electricity and this is part of what we need to function. So I think that's the best route guys. And if you have any questions, I'll answer them. I mean, I told DME I wouldn't fight them on that yellow route, but you know, I didn't think they liked the numbers because they're going to, it's going to be millions added to it to cut that property up and damage it that way. So I don't think it makes sense for the rate payers or the city to do it. So any questions for the speaker? I see none. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. This is I believe that was if we didn't have anybody else wishing to speak at least. So I will now close the public hearing. Councilmember Wasney. So it sounds like blue line, but what I would ask the council to consider would be to postpone this. So engineering could study a 15 foot movement of this transmission line to accommodate the families that are in the audience who came up to speak. If we're going to say blue line, I think it's a really good compromise to say let's accommodate and create just a little bit more distance for these people and add 15 feet. But to do a motion tonight without engineering weighing in on it. So I would indulge council and indulge DME to consider that study and then bring it back to council with a report on that 15 feet moving the blue line to the east 15 feet. Okay. Councilmember Wasney, is that a of course we've got some questions, some people wishing to speak that may address some of these questions that we've had about center line and easements and those kind of things, I'm assuming. But you didn't state it this way. But were you was that a motion or was that simply a request? So I just want to give you the opportunity to clarify that. It's a request of council to consider this. Okay. All right. Okay. We'll, we'll take that into consideration. Not being a motion then we don't really vote on it. Okay. Councilmember Rodin. Thank you, Mayor. I do have some questions to address some of these questions that have been raised. So I guess for whoever in staff who can best address it. There's this question about this supposed regulation that would keep a transmission line pole 60 to 75 feet. I think I heard a couple different distances between that pole and the center line of a street. Can you speak to that regulation? Well, that was probably why I looked a little bit confused because I'm not aware of that ordinance that way. Now, the number 60 is used and we do have in the development code a 60 foot transmission line easement which is what we used for 69 kV. And the poles are typically placed in the center of that easement and it's defined actually within the document is 30 foot either side of the center line. So if it's a two pole structure, it'd be the middle of the two poles. Now for 138 kV and everything we're doing moving forward, it's 75 foot which is 37 and a half foot. An additional seven and a half foot either side of the center line. Now that's the center line of the pole. That is not the center line of the street. And I have never heard that until tonight. Right. So that's kind of what I figured because it seems like we tend to put these things right up next to streets in those cases because of it seems to be a better land use determination we've got next to right away like that anyway . Versus pushing it into a property. So okay, that helps. And so currently, what do we have there? Do you have any pictures of what what the lines actually look like? I do. I'll just zip through these. This is a picture of the line when it's laying horizontally . Typically it's vertical. This was some straight line winds that blew over the this is exactly the same line that we're talking about here tonight. Back in May of 2003, we had a microburst a straight line wind and it caused these wooden poles that were along Bonnie Bray to fall over eastward or eastward into the park on the east side of Bonnie Bray. And what's actually rather ironic and very, very fortunate is the house that you see in this picture, the White House in the center of the picture is the Collinsworth House, which is at the corner of Riney Road and Bonnie Bray. This is the house that says that they will be squeezed in by the widening of Bonnie Bray and Riney Road and that they are willing to transact with VME for this transmission line easement. As you can tell, the poles are still standing vertical about two to three poles south of the house. So they were very, very fortunate and spared and we were very lucky that the wind hit where it did. But I do have some other pictures where they're standing up more vertical. After this line fell down, we did have to get it back up so we could supply electric power to the customers in Denton. Here's a picture of what was involved with putting the new poles back along Bonnie Bray. And to show you the type of structure that will be put in in place, we have been building some transmission infrastructure here in town recently. And one of the new poles that we put up on Paisley Road is this picture right here. This is what we're proposing to put in the existing line location, the blue route, actually a little bit further away from the houses eastward, three to five feet from where the existing wood poles are at. Personally, my opinion is it's a little cleaner looking structure, definitely a lot more structural integrity to it . We'll withstand those winds and it gives us a lot more capability to support the aging growth and system growth and aging infrastructure here in Denton. Will you be keeping up any of the wood poles? I noticed on one of your, one of the pictures there, the first one where they're falling over, you had kind of the smaller distribution pole and then you had kind of the larger transmission one. Will anything of the wood be remaining once you put in these new and improved middle lines? There will not. Actually this wood pole, the distribution, this is the transmission pole that's actually been broken, part of it's on the ground, part of it's still in the air, so it's been splintered. Gotcha. And so there will not be any wood poles along Bonnie Bray in this area with the new steel pole line. Thanks. Mayor Pro Tem. Could you go to that center picture, the middle picture? So right now I'm trying to do some calculations. That sidewalk is about four feet wide and it's about three feet from the curb. And so right now those poles are probably 12, 15 feet back from the curb and you're talking about going five feet more back from the curb just for the current proposal. Is that correct? I actually do have a survey drawn that we have one of our other consultants work up and if I may I'd like to show that to you here. This is at Bonnie Bray and over in this area is the road that goes into the North Lakes Park. Ms. Poole's house is across the street kind of in this area . There is not a pole directly in front of her house. The pole is south of the road and there's another pole further north here as shown at that location. These would be the poles that are presently there. The 42 and a half feet, which would be the new easement that we would be requesting from the property owner, would allow us to get the 75 foot width here with the poles in the center of that 75 foot. The center line of the street has nothing to do with that 75 foot. It's so it does show the 32 and a half 32.3 feet from the curb to the existing pole locations. Okay, Councilmember Hawkins. Yeah, and going along Bonnie Bray how far apart are the poles. They're typically around 300 feet spacing, they can vary from 250 to 350 depending on streets structures that you need to have you can't really adjust. But you know, typically 300 feet. How about those wood poles that are there right now. They're probably a little bit closer than that. Okay, just a little bit. Yeah, not not much. So it's going to be the same number of poles, ultimately. Essentially the same. Okay. Councilmember Briggs. That was my same question. I was curious about the number going in as far as the number going out. It's about equal. Right. We have the preliminary designs on this, but we wanted to get a route selection decision and then we will finalize the designs and it's possible we could save a few poles. Councilmember Wasney. So to confirm, we're looking at five to seven feet past where the poles are currently. Is that right? I would say between three to five feet. Three to five. That's why the 42 and a half feet allows you a five foot room to put the new pole in and still have 37 and a half feet past that. I think maybe some of the discussion of the center line of the road gets sort of not confused, but when you talk of right of way on a road, you measure from the center line of the road out when you're measuring. It's my understanding for right of way. So I can understand how that could be sometimes interchange able. Whereas with the easement for a transmission line you measure from the center line of the easement is where you want to place your, your infrastructure. That is correct. Okay. Councilmember Johnson. Thank you, Mayor. Well, I appreciate all the discussion, but I'm going to make a motion to approve. I don't think it makes sense to delay it. And to me, I think Mr. Baker made the most sense, which is you already have poles. So we're putting poles, new and improved poles right back where existing old poles were. They're safer. I mean, obviously, no matter when you put power lines in, you're going to upset somebody, but just from a, from a land use standpoint and from from an economic standpoint to me, you already have poles there. So to me, that's the that's the logical place to put them, rather than creating a whole new line to the east. So I'm going to move approval of item 6B. All right, Councilmember Roden and then Councilmember Haw kins will come to you. Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to second that, but just a quick comment. You know, a lot of times when we're looking at these transmission lines, we're looking at kind of trying to forge brand new paths where there otherwise weren't transmission lines or nothing altogether. And that is a much more difficult discussion. In this case, we have existing transmission lines. And to me, on a street like Bonnie Bray, this is on the opposite side of the street from the homeowners that are that are going to be impacted by it. It seems like it's the best option instead of charting a new path for this. So I'm going to second this motion. All right, Councilmember Hawkins. Just one more technical question. I'm sorry. The actual lines themselves, are they going to be higher off the ground than with the wood poles? Yes, sir, they will be. How much higher? Probably 10 feet or so, I'm going to be determined in the final design, but they will be a little taller poles. And as you saw in the picture, I mean, it's a lot better ground clearance than what we have had in the past. Okay. So I think it's a little less visible up higher. One real quick question. So there's no ancillary infrastructure attachment or pole attachments to our current poles like cable, telephone. There's no other pole attachments that if, you know, because I know we've had issues with them not removing those pole attachments. So we've had to cut like on Bonnie Bray in front of between 35 and scripture, the new metal poles are in and then the wood poles are there cut off at the top that still hold those pole attachments. Is that not going to be the case here? These wood poles there, any infrastructure, other communication companies will be relocated to the new pole because they're so close to where the other poles were. Good. All right. Fantastic. So that will be done by whom? That'll be done by our transmission contractor Chapman. Okay. So it's not like we're waiting on the telecommunication, the communication companies to do it. It will be done. Only if there is a riser that goes down it or something, we will have to coordinate that with either Verizon or charter if there's risers going down a pole. Okay. Good. Thank you. All right. So we have a motion and a second for approval on agenda item 6B. Let's vote on the board, please. Motion carries 5-2. We'll go on to agenda item 6C, which is hold a public hearing and receive citizen input on FY215-16 proposed budget. I will now open the public hearing to accommodate staff presentation. Thank you, Mayor. I'm going to ask Mr. Chuck Springer, our director of finance, if he will present the budget public hearing. Thank you, Chuck. Thank you, Mayor, members of the council. This is a requirement of the city charter and under state law to hold a public hearing on the proposed budget. Just to give a brief summary of the proposed budget in terms of proposed dollars, the operating budget is proposed expenditures of 557.7 million, 5.3 million of grants and the capital improvement program, 402.3 million for a total proposed budget of 965 million. With that, I'll answer any questions the council may have over the budget and open up the public hearing. Oh, did I forget to? Okay. All right. Any questions for staff before we open it up for public speakers? Seeing none. We have a card. Mr. Woody Husband, if you'd like to come. Okay. All right. Thank you. Any other people wishing to speak on the budget on this public hearing? Anybody wishing to speak? Do we close? We close it? I mean, this is just a regular public hearing? Okay. Okay. Last time. Seeing none, we will now close the public hearing. And we don't take any action on this. We will take action on this agenda item on the 15th. So, Madam City Attorney, how do I go back and put these -- do I just go ahead and call that public -- it's been closed . The public hearing has been closed. What do I need to do to get these cards in the record? This was on the -- 6B. 6B. And these individuals did not desire to speak? I think at this point in time, just reference the agenda item, point out the speakers, and put those back into the record. All right. Thank you. We did have some cards wishing not to speak on agenda item 6B. First name is Elizabeth Puez, is in support of the blue route. Claudio Ruiz is in support of the blue route. And Deborah Collinsworth was in support of -- yes. And if the blue line runs where it's supposed to run, which I will be willing to negotiate to sell. And Ruiz is at 3309 Hardaway Road and 3301 Hardaway Road. So I apologize for that -- for missing those on that particular agenda item. And, Mayor, I would just note for the record that this is not a statutorily required public hearing. This was a courtesy public hearing that the city has been conducting as a result of the locating of these transmission lines. So just putting that particular point into the record. So noted. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. Agenda item 6C -- oh, we did 6C. Item 6D is hold a second public hearing on a proposal to adopt a tax rate of 0.696380 per $100 valuation, which will exceed the lower effective rate or rollback tax rate. We will now open the public hearing. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I'm going to again ask Mr. Chuck Springer, our Director of Finance, if he will present this public hearing. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor and members of council. This is the second public hearing on the tax rate. And just to point out, the published tax rate proposed, 0.6 9638, was the maximum tax rate the city council can consider . This will be considered on September 15th. So they can consider a lower rate, which is the proposed rate now of the council, a lower rate below that. The effective tax rate, 0.656271, and the rollback tax rate , 0.72155, were required by state law to hold the public hearing and to calculate those tax rates. And I think at the last public hearing, the mayor had asked the effective tax rate is really a calculation designed to draw in the same amount of dollars as the prior year from the same property. It excludes new property within the city. With that, I'll answer any questions the council may have. Any questions for council? I mean, for staff, I have one. And just want to make sure I'm clear on this, that the 0.69 and some odd is the maximum. But as been pointed out in our work sessions, that we've been looking at a tax rate lower than that as far as just in the preliminary budget discussions. So at the September 15th meeting when we're voting on whatever the proposed tax rate is, that's where if council decides to adopt that lower rate, that's when that would be brought forth. Is that correct? That's correct. On the 15th. Okay. This is a public hearing. Mr. Johnson, you want to? I was going to see if we could get Brian Langley down, since he stayed this whole time, to give us maybe a history of the tax rate in the city of Denton. I tell you what, we'll let you do that. I'll do that. We do have a card. Mr. Willie Husspeth, you wish to speak on this item? All right. Thank you very much. Anybody else wishing to speak? Staff, media, anybody? Reporters. All right. This is a public hearing. I will call it one more time. Anybody else wishing to speak? Come on down and give us your thoughts on the proposed tax rate. Seeing none. And I do close this one. I will close this public hearing, and we will take action on this item on September the 15th. We're now to our agenda item number seven, which is presentation from members of the public. We have one we can dispense with the review of procedures for addressing the city council. And it's Mr. Willie Husspeth regarding City Hall. If you'll come and state your name and address for the record, please. Your time will begin. My name is Willie Husspeth. I live in 623 Newton. I want to speak to the fact that you make me and citizens stay to the end of the -- or require them to stay to the end of the meetings. At the forums, I remember what you say when we -- at the NA ACP LULAC forum. You talk as though you're for the citizens. This is not for the citizens. This is not good. But you do whatever you want to do. What I'm going to do now, since I'm here, I'm going to look at every one of these items that you talk about. And so it turns out it's good. I'm being educated. And then I will -- they come up, I'm going to fill out every one of those cards, and I'm going to do what I need to do. I don't want to move up early unless you do away with it so no one has to stay here unless they choose to stay here at the end of these meetings. Can you imagine what this would be like for a single parent to come up here and stay to the whole meeting? Now, you do it, but you chose to do it. And you're here for the people. You say that. But I don't understand this rule, where you make people stay here the whole time to have a comment. With that said, let me take a breath. Councilman Gregory and City Manager Campbell were the two people that addressed what I said at the last meeting. My representative doesn't address very much at all what I'm dealing with. And that's another subject altogether. But I appreciate you, Mr. Gregory and Mr. Campbell. I have to compromise. And I compromised on what's happening at my property because these two gentlemen came out and they didn't change anything. They didn't go over the code enforcement community improvement decision. Not one. Neither one of them said they would and they didn't. They just talked to me like I'm a citizen and that I vote and that I matter. I would suggest the rest of you start doing that. That I matter and I have a vote. They didn't even look at it as far as if I had a vote. That wasn't even their concern. They really communicated to me that they were concerned about what I thought and what was going on. They just wanted to know from my perspective. Mr. Gregory came out to my location. Mr. Campbell had me come to the office and he said some things that really impressed me. I went ahead and made the changes. I still don't agree with them. But when he said, Mr. Gregory as well, compromise is how I get my job done. You just have to give a little and take a little. And so I put the rule -- you don't know what this is all about. But there was something I had outside that was going -- it is construction material and I'm allowed to have it. But the code enforcing person said no, it isn't. But it is. And I could fight that. I wanted to go to court and fight it. But both of these men said to what end? And I told them just because I want to do it, I don't like anybody pushing me around. And I don't. The rest of you should learn from these gentlemen. Don't push citizens around. And with that said, I will be at the next meeting and then continue how the city attorneys did me. We'll start over there and I'm going to just hammer it out unless another code enforcement situation comes up. Thank you for the time. >> We will now -- I believe that concludes our agenda except for concluding items. Mayor Pro Tem. >> Thank you, Mayor. A couple of things. I would ask staff, I suppose through the parks and rec department, to provide a report in the next few weeks on skate parks. Kind of an update on the parks that we have. The possible cost for construction of a second park. The possible locations on current city owned property where one might work. Also looking at the potential for either a joint or a separate facility for BMX bicycles. So that's one item. And the other item is I would ask -- and I don't know if this comes in the form of -- I'm stuck on how to do this, whether we need a work session or maybe the possibility of the mayor appointing a temporary committee to -- of council members to work on the exposition street event space. Regarding a couple of different issues. It looks like it's in the budget. Because we talked about some agreement issues that we may want to go over with the Denton community market on their use. Some stipulations as we go ahead with that on small business development and issues about local food production . Make sure that we understand their facility needs. There may be some other things. But also the possibility of talking to other potential users and other stakeholders, i.e. property owners in the area as we talk about how we look at that. There probably are some other issues involved in that also. So I don't know the best way to move forward with that. But before we expend any funds on development and design to have some work on that. I think probably the work session because we obviously can 't -- we couldn't say committee because this is -- but I think a work session where we can decide those particular options. Councilmember Rodin. Thank you, mayor. And I'm going to ask my fellow historic landmark council committee members to chime in if I miss anything. I understand there's an issue that's holding up at least one certificate of appropriateness and it has to do with the use of hardy boards in historic districts. And the mechanism as we understand it legally is that the process to look at possible code changes to the historic regulations has to begin with HLC and move its way through PNZ and council. As it stands, it seems like some on HLC are just refusing to even consider that change which is keeping it from moving through the process. So I think I'd like to on behalf of the committee as we talked about this last week and I think they have an opportunity at their next upcoming meeting from the council perspective to task HLC to consider that. Whether they reject it, approve it would be up to them. But to just allow that to move through the process so ultimately council can look at that. I think we have some new construction issues at play that we might be holding some property owners up significant times unless we get that kick started. So that's my recommendation to the city manager if you could help with that. Councilmember Hawkins. Yeah, I wanted to add to the skate park thing. I was just very impressed with Sam and the group that came out. And I'm looking forward to the conversation that we could have about either replacing the existing one or finding a new location. And then I just wanted to applaud my fellow council women and men today and staff. It was a long day and I didn't know how today was going to end up. But I think that it's been a really good day and just wanted to tell everybody it was a good job. So I appreciate it. So except for Kevin. No, especially Kevin. So thank you very much. Councilmember Briggs. Yes, I would like to ask staff to research and council to possibly consider adding a youth advisory board to our board and commissions. Research and look to other cities. Have a report on that. Great. Good. I've got a couple. I thought you were going to break out. Councilmember Hawkins and I don't remember the movie. Somebody's going to. I love you, man. Where I was expecting you to say so. That's the trivia question. Old school. Okay. That's right. Because I do want to echo that sentiment and not just for the long meeting, but for the discussions on the budget and just the differences of opinions and priorities. But the collaboration and compromise, as I believe was was pointed out in an earlier speaker that that the two of you gentlemen, but I think that's that's good. I think collaboration and compromise is is is something that I really am proud of my colleagues here on this council that we were able to really work through things. And I just was I was very excited about that. The second one is just to acknowledge what a great community we have. The proclamations with the great Parks Department and the the the dolphins and then United Way, the living for the month and then the the rodeo the lineman. We live in a great community and we're doing a lot of things and for the homeless issue. And so I'm very proud to be living in this city and at this time because I really think we're really moving forward on some really great initiatives. And last but not least, I had a call and I could not answer this question. If we have any ordinances regarding drones. So I'd like to for the somebody had mentioned drones as far as you know, flying around neighborhoods and privacy issues and no, no, no, no, no, not drones at the meeting like I'm doing right now. So just like to get it sort of a maybe an informal staff report or something to see what the limitations are on a city's ability to regulate those kind of that kind of equipment. Because I really don't know. That's all I've got. Councilmember Hawkins. I forgot one thing. I just wanted to publicly say how much I like the mayor's growth, the beard thing going and hopefully it continues. It's wise. I like it. Thank you. Keep denting beard. That's right. I appreciate that. Councilmember Johnson. I'm not sure I want to follow Julie tonight. He's a little punch drunk. I just want to say, Bill, if you're watching, Peggy deserves to come in at noon tomorrow after stomaching a 12 hour day here with us. Wonderful. All right. Seeing no other requests for new business.