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>> I'm going to say good morning because we've been here

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since 9 o'clock, but I'm going to say good evening.

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Good evening. I wanted to welcome you to the September 1st,

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2015 Denton City Council meeting.

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It's 6 31 and if you would join me in standing and pledging

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to the U.S. and the Texas flag.

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>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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I pledge allegiance to the Texas flag and to the state of

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America, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty

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and justice for all.

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>> We have some proclamations that I'll come down and

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recognize.

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>> We have a proclamation for blood cancer awareness month.

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I'm not sure if they're here this evening. If not, we'll be

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sure and mail that to them.

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Anyone here for blood cancer awareness month? All right.

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Thank you.

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Live United Month. Gary, you all come on down and introduce

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yourself and tell us the month we're celebrating.

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>> I'm Mark Sacco. I am the chairperson for United Way of

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Denton County and this is September is Live United Month.

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>> I'm Carol Kyer on the executive board.

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>> Mark Murkey and I'm on the executive board.

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>> Gary Henderson and I'm the CEO of United Way of Denton

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County.

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>> Give us just a real brief description of what Live

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United Month is.

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>> Wow. What is it not?

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>> That's better.

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>> So obviously United Way has been a staple in our

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community for years and years and years.

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Our goal is to raise money to help people in our community.

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Effectively, we do things relating to just about any need

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that a person in our community might have.

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For example, we've been tackling the question of mental

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health.

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And what's surprising is that mental health affects just

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about everybody.

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Everybody in our community in some form, some fashion is

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affected by it.

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If you look at our jails, what do you see?

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Lots of folks that are in jail because of a mental health

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reason.

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So we're trying to get a grasp around that and trying to

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help those folks and figure out how does that impact.

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Because mental health, and I'm just picking on one subject,

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if you're unable to perform, well, you're probably not

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providing for your family.

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You're probably not helping to educate your children very

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well.

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You're probably not doing a lot of things that you

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otherwise could if you were properly diagnosed and treated.

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So that's one of the things.

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And so we have the Coalition on Mental Health.

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We've also helped out with the Mayor's Job Program this

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year.

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And that's a new program that, effectively new, I believe,

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that is basically helping kids who need the help the most,

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teenagers, high schoolers, to get jobs and learn and gain

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skills.

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We also do an income tax service that helps out elderly

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folks and folks that have limited means to be able to get

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free tax services

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instead of going to a tax preparer.

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We've also tackled the, and you all are familiar probably

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with Bank on Denton,

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it's a way to tackle the loan sharks out there, the payday

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loans, the payday lenders.

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And the list goes on and on as well as we support 20

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agencies in our community that provide all the way down to

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the most basic service.

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I wasn't really prepared to talk, but I hope I did okay.

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Mayor, thank you so much for honoring us today.

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Thank you. Thank you. Absolutely.

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Well, I will tell you, I will read a proclamation,

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but there's no way that words on a piece of paper can

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explain the great blessing that Denton County realizes as a

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result of United Way

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and all the many programs that they're involved in and all

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the new initiatives that they're involved with.

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So really do appreciate all that you guys do for our

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community.

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You're there day in and day out helping the nonprofits that

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you support,

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and really to support the people in our county. So thank

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you very much.

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Thank you.

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This is a proclamation by the mayor of the city of Denton,

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Texas,

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whereas United Way of Denton County achieves its mission to

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improve lives in Denton County

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by mobilizing community resources that identify and address

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critical issues in the areas of education, income, and

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health,

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the building blocks for a better life.

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And whereas United Way of Denton County's Collective Impact

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Initiative,

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Denton County's Citizens Council on Mental Health rallied

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support this past year to launch a Denton County Behavioral

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Health Leadership Team

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to develop strategies that will improve the behavioral

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health system in our community.

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And whereas across Denton County, one in three children are

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at risk of dropping out of school.

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I'm going to repeat that one more time.

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Across Denton County, one in three children are at risk of

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dropping out of school.

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United Way of Denton County and community collaborators

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continue to mobilize volunteers

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through Mentor Denton to help at-risk children succeed in

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school.

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And whereas United Way of Denton County serves as the

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backbone organization for collective impact initiatives,

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including Pre-Kindergarten Readiness Coalition, Bank on

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Denton County, Denton County Works Job Interview Training

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for Youth,

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the Mayor's Summer Youth Jobs Initiative, Project Blueprint

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Board Training, school-based community centers, and the

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Volunteer Income Tax Assistance Program.

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And whereas this past year, 12,026 generous donors gave a

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total of $2.468 million, almost $2.5 million,

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to support the mission of the United Way of Denton County

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grants to 20 partner agencies and collective impact grants

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that target unmet local needs.

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And therefore, it actually is really my pleasure and honor

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that I, Chris Watts, Mayor of the City of Denton, Texas,

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do hereby proclaim September 2015 to be Live United Month

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in the City of Denton and join United Way of Denton County

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donors,

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volunteers, and partners in calling on all residents to

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live united and give, advocate, and volunteer.

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So thank you all very much for what you do for our

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community.

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Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much

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, Mark. Thank you.

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[Applause]

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Let's see, Phil. Phil, I'm just going to, you're going to

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be last. Is that okay? I'm going to do the, all right.

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Sorry. I don't have my glasses on. Okay. This is for the

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Denton Dolphins Day.

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So everybody that's involved in the Denton Dolphins Day

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program, come on down.

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I'm going to have you all introduce yourselves and tell us

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a little bit about the Denton Dolphins.

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I'm Kathy Avery. I'm the program area manager for aquatics.

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And if you're not familiar with the program, it's a

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recreational program affiliated with the Texas Amateur

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Athletic Federation.

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We've been affiliated with them for as long as I've been

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here. It's been a long time.

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Every year we offer a program both at the auditorium in the

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off season in fall and spring, and then also in the summer

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we work out at the Civic Center Pool.

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And this year we had several of our swimmers that not only

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competed locally, but all of them went to regionals.

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Many of them qualified to go to state. Several of them also

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went to the nationals this year in Nebraska.

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And we qualify every two years to do that. We're extremely

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proud of them.

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We started with 89 swimmers at the beginning of the summer.

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we don't have enough space, lane space to keep accommod

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ating that many swimmers just indoors.

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But we've had a wonderful year. We've had some very

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dedicated coaches and athletes.

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At this time I'd like for them to introduce themselves,

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starting with the head coach.

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I'm Carla Parr. I'm the head coach for the Denton Dolphins.

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I'm Maddie McAlister.

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I'm Hannah Hickman.

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I'm Joe Morales.

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Jack Racin, assistant coach.

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Rosalie Byer, assistant coach.

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Alright, well let me read this proclamation.

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Proclamation by the mayor of the city of Denton, Texas.

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Whereas the 2015 Denton Dolphin swim team, as part of the

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city of Denton aquatics program competing with TAAF, which

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stands for Texas Amateur Athletic Federation,

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has achieved recognition on both the state and national

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levels, proudly representing the city of Denton.

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And whereas of the roughly 90 summer athletes, seven

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qualified for the summer games of Texas in College Station,

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Texas,

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with four competing including Emma Calvert, Juliana Holland

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, Will Lemons, and Kaitlyn True, who earned a silver medal.

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And whereas three national qualifiers competed in the state

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games of America and Lincoln, Nebraska,

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including Hannah Hickman, who earned gold.

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Who is it?

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Okay, alright, who earned gold.

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Who earned gold, silver, and bronze medals.

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Maddie McAlister, who earned one gold and three silver

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medals.

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And Joseph Morales, who earned two gold and one bronze

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medal.

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And whereas this success was largely made possible by the

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dedicated efforts of the Denton Dolphins coaching staff,

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including Carla Perriman, head coach, Cassie Pritchard,

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assistant coach, and Rosalie Bayer, assistant coach, sorry,

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and Jack Racin, assistant coach.

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Therefore, I, Chris Watts, mayor of the city of Denton,

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Texas, do hereby proclaim September the 1st, 2015, as Dent

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on Dolphins Day in the city of Denton,

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and ask all residents to honor the Denton Dolphins swim

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team for all their accomplishments and admiral

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representation of the city of Denton.

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Congratulations to all of you.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations. Thank

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you guys for helping.

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Thank you all very much. Thank you.

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Bill?

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Come on in guys.

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I'm very, very proud to bring in some of our linemen. We,

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19 years ago, things come full circle.

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Roddy Patterson competed in the first, second, and third

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Texas linemen rodeo, and now is superintendent at DME, and

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has Lanny here who competed three, four, has competed also,

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and is now our rodeo coordinator.

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And a linemen rodeo, as you see some pictures here, is a

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way for us to encourage our linemen to practice and perfect

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their skills they need for their job.

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And they compete with other organization co-ops and

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municipal utilities from across the state.

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At this year, there were 103 apprentices that competed, and

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we didn't just show up, we showed off.

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We had first and second place out of 103 apprentices.

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Let me just read some of the things that they came away

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with. We told them to bring home some hardware, and they

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certainly did.

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The apprentice overall, first and second place, Tanner Hold

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er was first place, Blake Smith was second place. Apprentice

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written test, Tanner Holder was second place there.

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We had journeyman Hurtman rescue, which you see there is a

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picture of that. Good timing.

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They've asked me before to participate in the practice

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drill. I do not volunteer to be the dummy.

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But we had second place on the team there, Curtis Espinall,

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Ryan Clearman, and Ethan Horton. Ethan and their team is

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out working tonight, so they may show up here in a few

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First place, Patrick Campbell for journeyman Polkline

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individual and journeyman Polkline team.

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Abraham Goodneck, Patrick Campbell, Jason Wallam.

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And then we had other competitors also, somebody named

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Michael Penton, Randy Key, Daniel Hutchins.

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We also furnished several judges that participated in the

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judging the contest.

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All of our teams scored in the top five of the competitions

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they competed in.

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I'm just very proud of them, very proud that the linemen we

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have, when they get called out, they're not just coming out

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to do their job, they're coming out to serve their

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neighbors.

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And just really appreciate them and the hard work they put

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in on their time to practice and practice their skills so

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they can go compete in this on the weekend again on their

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time to do so well in this contest.

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Really appreciate their efforts. Thank you all very much.

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[Applause]

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Thank you gentlemen. Thank you so much for representing

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Denton very well.

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Okay, if we could have the review of procedures for

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addressing the City Council.

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Okay, so we're on agenda item three, which is a

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presentation from members of the public.

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Our first speaker, number one, is Sam O'Donnell regarding a

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petition for a skate park.

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If you'll come down and state your...

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Hey, now that's more applause than I get. We can't have

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that.

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If you'll just state your name and address, your time will

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begin.

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Sure. My name is Sam O'Donnell. Appreciate you guys' time

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today and appreciate everyone coming to support this cause.

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Basically, my goal today was just to help raise the

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awareness and bring the attention to our city

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representatives, the need for a local and concrete

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preferred skate park in Denton.

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I'm a current resident, UNT alumni, and I work at the Dent

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on Skate Supply local skate shop here in Denton.

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Just like the first day, we appreciate the skate park we do

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currently have.

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Without that, there'd really be nowhere to skate for us,

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and that's been great over the last few years.

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But as time goes by, we've started to see other skate parks

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kind of pop up in the area, Roanoke, Lewisville mainly.

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And started to feel like the park we have here is a little

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bit outdated, not only that, but out of the way, a little

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bit farther out of the central Denton area than I think a

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lot of people are able to get out to.

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So I guess not only that, but... Oh, I forgot.

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Our current skate park also. I brought some pictures here.

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I did recently see that there was a lot of maintenance. I

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stopped by the park, you know, very frequently.

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I noticed there was some maintenance done on the park, you

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know, sporadically throughout the last few years.

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But even so, you see in the left picture, like, there's the

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screws kind of sticking out, falling out, metal pieces kind

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of coming off the ramps gradually.

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The middle picture there just kind of shows how the layout

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doesn't really make sense.

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Those ramps are actually intended to be launched off of,

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and there's no landing.

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And then this fence here just kind of has the brackets

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broken off, which I think can be dangerous on falling into

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the ramps.

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So what we started to do after hearing, you know, we're

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working at a skate shop, we are the ones who hear the

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people of Denton complain about this typically.

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We started actually taking a petition, basically calling

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for a new skate park in a more accessible area, thinking

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that Denton could definitely benefit from this happening as

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well, from people coming to visit it,

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and then we started to get a lot of support for our general

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public.

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Just in the two months that we had it open online, it got

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about 500 supporters.

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And then our in-store petition, which I handed to you guys,

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probably has about 500 as of today.

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I actually contacted Roanoke Parks and Rec director and

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Lewisville Parks and Rec director to kind of get an idea of

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what maybe were the main reasons why building one in Denton

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would be a good idea.

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They both reported that their skate park currently gets

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more participation than almost any other park they have in

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the area, excluding the water park directly across the

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street.

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So I just thought that would be good.

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Also, the age range of the participants, I think most

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people have a stereotype of skateboarders, in-liners, BMX

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ers being, you know, the teenager misfit kind of age group.

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And it's actually come to find out a lot of these people

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are actually older or even younger now, showing it with

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their kids. So I think the whole point of it being a wide

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age range demographic would definitely be great for the

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city.

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I've actually been a student in recreation leisure studies

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and used most of my school projects around how skateboard

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ing or just recreational sports period benefit an individual

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or the community.

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One of those main factors being the fact that having a

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skate park provides a safe area for people to participate

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in these activities.

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Currently, most of the laws in Denton are kind of confusing

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when it comes to where you can and cannot skateboard.

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So I think this would definitely help with that, as well as

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give people who are into maybe not the mainstream sports a

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place to get these health benefits and develop physically,

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socially, psychologically in those aspects.

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So what we'd like to hopefully have happen, as you see here

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, this is a concrete skate park. The current one we have is

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more of a metal park, like prefabricated skate light.

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So what we'd be hoping for is a concrete park in a more

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central area of Denton. I kind of showed where the current

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skate park here is in the top and more of a central Denton

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area there.

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I also kind of pointed out that I think that's Quaker Town

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Park would be awesome. That's right next to here, just kind

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of areas in those local Denton areas would be preferred.

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[bell rings]

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Appreciate it.

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We've got a couple questions for you. Sure. Council Member

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Hawkins.

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Thank you, Mayor. Thanks for doing this. You definitely

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coming out and bringing all these people with you. This is

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how things happen in Denton, so that's cool.

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I'm glad you had that drawing. I'm just wondering if it did

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have to be at the existing site, and let's say we put a new

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one there. Is the one that you want, is it quite a bit

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bigger? Is it the same size? Do you know?

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I think the main thing, I mean the bigger, the better it is

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. The more people are going to come, the more our residents

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are going to actually use it.

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So I think that's something obviously we desire, but I

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think really it's just a matter of a local, more

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centralized park would be greatly appreciated.

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I'm not saying we should tear down the one we currently

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have, because I think that's great that we have that as

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well, but I think a lot of people have trouble getting out

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there. They've started going to the parks in Roanoke, McKin

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ney, and Lewisville as an alternative to what we currently

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have.

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You should know the closer you get to downtown, it's just

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going to be tough. I'm not saying it's impossible.

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Totally understand.

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I'm from a rich group. I'm about to be 41, and I was

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skating in high school, so it's just, I don't do it anymore

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, or I probably wouldn't make it to many council meetings,

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but anyway, but thanks for coming out here.

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Of course.

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Great. Okay.

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Several, a few more. Council Member Johnson.

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Thank you, Mayor. Sam, thank you for putting all this

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together and for having the drive and initiative to kind of

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get this conversation going.

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And the rendering that you put up there, so is that an

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existing park somewhere?

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I think it's a concept park. This one you saw attached to

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our petition right there.

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That was just, I think, an image we looked up online to

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kind of get an idea. That's not entirely exactly what we

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want, but I think that would be much appreciated.

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And so the folks that you spoke to, Roanoke and Lewisville,

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they have the type of park that you would desire here.

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In those conversations, did you have any feel in the

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conversation for what it would cost to build one of those?

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I didn't get like exact costs. I mean, that's definitely

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something I could figure out from them, but kind of the way

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they put it was that the age groups, different demographics

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it covered kind of made it a good public funding thing for

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that.

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Just the fact that it covers so many people. The gentleman

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I spoke to in Roanoke said that the kind of justification

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for why they were willing to fund it, again, I'm not sure

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how much, was that they didn't really have any programs

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that were geared towards the middle demographic.

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So this obviously a highly participated sport and

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activities for that demographic, but it went towards all

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age groups.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Mayor Pro Tem Gregory.

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Thanks. Yeah, I'm over 41.

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And when I built my skateboard, I had used my old skates

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that you had the skate key to clamp on your shoes.

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And I first time I used them, I fell and hit my head. And

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as a result, I ran for city council.

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Yeah, it all explains it doesn't.

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So a couple of questions. In the parks that you're going to

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in the neighboring area, do they charge?

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No, the current like Louisville, Roanoke, McKinney parks

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are free. There are some skate parks that charge, but they

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don't seem to last when there's free public skate parks

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popping up everywhere.

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Do they open 24 hours a day? Do they have attendance there

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to monitor? How does that work?

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Typically, they're open about 10 to 10. Some of them have

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lights, some of them do not. Obviously, the ones that don't

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probably close around seven or eight.

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As for the second question, supervisors, staff there that

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are monitoring.

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I know the one in a, it's called Railroad Park in Louis

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ville. I think that one really, it's just that whoever they

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have, like that's a giant park, you know, lacrosse field,

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soccer fields, things of that nature.

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Staff that kind of regulates the whole park, not just the

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skate park.

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So I think what's best is to put the skate park next to

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some sort of other facilities that require some sort of

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supervision or maintenance in order to keep track of that.

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But I don't think it's also completely required or

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necessary to really maintenance it besides the trash at

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night possibly.

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Well, that was the final question, because do you ever see

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them connected with something like a BMX bike park or

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something?

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Yes, I mean, the one in Louisville does have all the other,

510
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you know, mainstream sports and even a dog park next to it.

511
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,000
When it comes to the BMXing, skateboarding difference,

512
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,000
really the park can be geared towards both.

513
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,079
Some parks don't allow BMXs, BMX bikes, because they do

514
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:39,000
more damage.

515
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,009
But we really be happy with any kind of consideration for a

516
00:26:42,009 --> 00:26:43,000
park like this.

517
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,180
And I think they should be allowed to as well. I don't

518
00:26:45,180 --> 00:26:46,000
think that'd be fair to them.

519
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:47,000
Thank you very much.

520
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,000
Council Member Rodin.

521
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,589
Thanks, Sam, for coming out. And how many people, by the

522
00:26:52,589 --> 00:26:56,000
way, are here to support this? Just a show of hands.

523
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000
Holy mackerel. Well, thank you guys for showing up.

524
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,720
Welcome to City Council. I'm sure for many of you the first

525
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,000
time.

526
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:08,980
I am 41. I had hair like down to here when I was in high

527
00:27:08,980 --> 00:27:11,000
school trying to do that skater thing.

528
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,200
But I had more of the look than I had any skills. But

529
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,000
hopefully my kids will get it.

530
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,799
You mentioned Quaker Town Park. Are you able to use

531
00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:22,990
existing concrete creek beds as part of the design for

532
00:27:22,990 --> 00:27:24,000
something like this?

533
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,369
I think that'd be an excellent idea. A lot of people

534
00:27:27,369 --> 00:27:31,329
actually go for the kind of creek beds as part of the

535
00:27:31,329 --> 00:27:32,000
obstacles they skate.

536
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,509
I know we're not supposed to, but when there's not really a

537
00:27:34,509 --> 00:27:36,000
great public park in the area.

538
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,000
That wasn't really a serious question.

539
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,000
Yeah, I think it's true.

540
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:46,000
So don't reveal too much about what folks do here in town.

541
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,980
But a serious question related to this only because you

542
00:27:48,980 --> 00:27:50,000
brought it up.

543
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,069
So I guess it's fair game. And I have heard this raised

544
00:27:53,069 --> 00:27:54,000
from other circles.

545
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,220
And that is questions about what is the legalities in terms

546
00:27:57,220 --> 00:28:00,440
of being able to skateboard as a means of transportation in

547
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,000
town.

548
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,359
Which a lot of people do with longboards and whatnot. What

549
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,000
do you understand? What are the rules?

550
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,009
I've heard people say you can't even go down a street or

551
00:28:08,009 --> 00:28:10,000
sidewalk since you're kind of left.

552
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,210
It's kind of ironic that you asked because I was actually

553
00:28:13,210 --> 00:28:15,509
stopped today for skateboarding in a street on UNT in order

554
00:28:15,509 --> 00:28:17,000
to prepare this presentation.

555
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,339
So the current rules to my understanding, the officer

556
00:28:19,339 --> 00:28:22,390
informed me, you're allowed to skateboard across Denton

557
00:28:22,390 --> 00:28:23,000
sidewalks.

558
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,000
Excluding the square that has places that have signs on it.

559
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,000
You're not allowed to skate on that.

560
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,359
But as for the streets, basically it's become a traffic

561
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,000
violation is how they recorded it to me.

562
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,000
Gotcha. So if there's no sidewalks, you just got to walk.

563
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:38,000
You just got to walk it.

564
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,000
Okay. Thanks. Well, thanks again for coming out.

565
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,000
Of course. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

566
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,460
Now I know when you asked about the creek beds, I thought

567
00:28:45,460 --> 00:28:48,000
the city manager was beginning to quake in his boots.

568
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,049
But thank you so much and thank you all for coming out. I

569
00:28:51,049 --> 00:28:53,240
've heard from several of you and I appreciate the

570
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,000
initiative.

571
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,450
Of course. And we certainly will take a look at that. Thank

572
00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:57,000
you.

573
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,000
I appreciate your time. Thank you. You bet.

574
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000
Mayor, don't they have to stay for the whole meeting?

575
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,000
Sorry, guys. Welcome to council.

576
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,029
Our next speaker is Mr. Roy Messler representing the Mons

577
00:29:16,029 --> 00:29:20,109
ignor King Outreach Center regarding an update and request

578
00:29:20,109 --> 00:29:21,000
for funds.

579
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:26,140
Since I figured the council has heard me speak about as

580
00:29:26,140 --> 00:29:29,799
much as they can stand for one day, one of my good fellow

581
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:31,000
board members will present.

582
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,210
Yeah, if you could just state your name and address, your

583
00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:34,000
time will begin. Thank you.

584
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,609
Steve Murray, Aubrey. We own moms in Aubrey and we're on

585
00:29:38,609 --> 00:29:41,000
the advisory board, my wife and I.

586
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,349
And just great privileges to council, mayor, for going to

587
00:29:46,349 --> 00:29:48,000
speak tonight.

588
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,859
Roy did say that he was wore out this afternoon when he

589
00:29:51,859 --> 00:29:56,000
called me and it was kind of a long session, I guess.

590
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,859
But we just really appreciate the fact that this building

591
00:29:59,859 --> 00:30:03,000
looks like it's going to be a homeless shelter.

592
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,940
And about six months ago, the Monsignor King homeless

593
00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:11,000
shelter was homeless.

594
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,220
And we had a meeting at the church and lo and behold, the

595
00:30:14,220 --> 00:30:17,509
city came along and we got to use this shelter for the time

596
00:30:17,509 --> 00:30:18,000
being.

597
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,200
And two weeks ago, we had another meeting and we thought,

598
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,000
oh boy, we're going to be homeless again.

599
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,730
But we just appreciate the fact that the city can work with

600
00:30:26,730 --> 00:30:31,000
us and see the basis that we've done in the last six years

601
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,000
for the community.

602
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000
And we're going to be able to help the community.

603
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
We're going to be able to help the community.

604
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,000
We're going to be able to help the community.

605
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,000
We're going to be able to help the community.

606
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000
We're going to be able to help the community.

607
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000
We're going to be able to help the community.

608
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,000
We're going to be able to help the community.

609
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,000
We're going to be able to help the community.

610
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,000
We're going to be able to help the community.

611
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,430
Is this your first time to speak before us? Before the Dent

612
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:04,000
Council? Yes.

613
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,000
Okay, well then you're entitled to a free dessert.

614
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,000
I'm entitled to a free dessert.

615
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:10,880
Just like when you're first time to eat at Mom's, you're

616
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,000
entitled to a free dessert.

617
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,000
That's exactly right.

618
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,289
And I see some familiar faces up here and we appreciate it

619
00:31:18,289 --> 00:31:19,000
also.

620
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,109
But thank you so much for working with us and getting this

621
00:31:21,109 --> 00:31:22,000
project underway.

622
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,000
Thank you. Thank you for what you do in our community.

623
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,000
Thank you so much for that.

624
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,000
Thank you.

625
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,000
Yes, absolutely.

626
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,000
Our next speaker is Claudette.

627
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,000
Is it FET or FETI?

628
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,000
I'm sorry. FETI.

629
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,000
I'm sorry. I apologize.

630
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,200
Regarding the coordinator position for the homeless and

631
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,000
associated homeless needs.

632
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,000
Hi.

633
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,000
State your name and address and your time will begin.

634
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,000
Sure. I am Claudette FETI.

635
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,000
I'm the executive 2708 Glenwood in Denton.

636
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,730
I'm sending a letter so that I wouldn't be, or a written

637
00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:11,000
page so I wouldn't be tempted to just read to you.

638
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,000
I am a citizen.

639
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,789
Additionally, I teach at Texas Women's University in the

640
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:21,000
School of Occupational Therapy.

641
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,000
And I volunteer at the Denton Community Health Clinic.

642
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:33,200
And run a group we call Able Disabled, which includes

643
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,099
people who are homeless, people who have psychiatric or

644
00:32:38,099 --> 00:32:42,000
mental health needs, and people with physical disabilities.

645
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,000
And they wanted to do two things.

646
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,589
They wanted to provide voice and advocate for the needs of

647
00:32:48,589 --> 00:32:50,000
the poor in Denton.

648
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,000
They also wanted to develop productive occupations.

649
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000
And we've been doing some of both.

650
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,000
This is part of.

651
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:08,529
And doing some advocacy across a number of different fronts

652
00:33:08,529 --> 00:33:09,000
.

653
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,190
And then also they're creating crafts that they're

654
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:15,000
beginning to sell.

655
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,849
And then we've developed a time bank to help divide those

656
00:33:18,849 --> 00:33:23,000
resources back out and build some skills and abilities.

657
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,140
I'm here to advocate for increasing our support for people

658
00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:32,000
who are experiencing homelessness.

659
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,000
And for people who are at risk of homelessness.

660
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,599
And there is an overlap with the mental health issues that

661
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:43,000
United Way reported.

662
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,000
Certainly that is a big part of our population.

663
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,769
I want to support, in addition to it sounds like you all

664
00:33:54,769 --> 00:34:00,069
are going to use the shelter, the old animal hospital as a

665
00:34:00,069 --> 00:34:01,000
shelter.

666
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,000
And I absolutely support that.

667
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,279
In addition I'd like you to think about extending the

668
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:10,000
possibility of using it in the daytime.

669
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,650
I don't think we make adequate use of our resources locally

670
00:34:14,650 --> 00:34:15,000
.

671
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,960
I teach at university and I have lots of students who need

672
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,119
community experience to apply what they're learning in the

673
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:23,000
classroom.

674
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,409
And they get that experience through a lot of the different

675
00:34:26,409 --> 00:34:30,000
things I do in the community among the ABLE disabled group.

676
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,000
And I don't think we make good use of those resources.

677
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,880
We have two universities here with lots of students who

678
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,000
need experience.

679
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000
So I'd like to see us make better use of that.

680
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:49,110
I want to support the Homeless Coalition's request for a

681
00:34:49,110 --> 00:34:51,000
coordinator.

682
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,010
There are a lot of different services and things out there,

683
00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:55,000
but they're not very well coordinated.

684
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,269
And I think we need to look at some of the resources that

685
00:34:58,269 --> 00:35:00,000
we're under utilizing.

686
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,000
So that, churches, people with lived experience as well.

687
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,000
I think we need to be looking at peer to peer.

688
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,300
We need to be looking on this time bank to kind of help

689
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:17,000
people build the opportunity to volunteer and reengage.

690
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,000
And this would be another opportunity.

691
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,440
And there are plenty of willing volunteers who know what it

692
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,000
's like to be homeless because they have that experience.

693
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:36,500
And lastly, to think about the other ways that we spend

694
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:42,010
those resources in jails and more restrictive placement

695
00:35:42,010 --> 00:35:44,000
because we don't have the supports that we need.

696
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
So let's do it different.

697
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,000
Thank you.

698
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,000
And that's it.

699
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,000
Thank you.

700
00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:02,000
[Applause]

701
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,000
Okay.

702
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,360
Okay. We've come to agenda item 3C, which is where we have

703
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,000
additional citizens' reports.

704
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,119
And this is a section of the agenda that permits anyone not

705
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:16,000
registered for a citizens' report to make comments

706
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,730
regarding public business on items not listed on the agenda

707
00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:20,000
.

708
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,699
This is limited to four speakers per meeting with each

709
00:36:23,699 --> 00:36:26,000
speaker allowed a maximum of four minutes.

710
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,000
So I've got three cards here.

711
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,420
And as I call your name, if you would just come down and

712
00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:33,000
state your name and address and your time will begin.

713
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,000
Timothy Swenson.

714
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,679
And you can share with us what you want to talk to us about

715
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:39,000
.

716
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,000
Just name and address.

717
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,219
Yes. I want to discuss about the Homeless Coalition and the

718
00:36:44,219 --> 00:36:46,000
support of the coordinator situation.

719
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,650
And I also want to talk about the experience of the people

720
00:36:50,650 --> 00:36:54,150
that are disabled and the problem that they face is the

721
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:56,000
homeless situations.

722
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,489
There has been times that I needed a homeless situation

723
00:36:59,489 --> 00:37:01,000
where I needed help.

724
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,219
And I went to shelter and unfortunately, as you can see

725
00:37:04,219 --> 00:37:07,000
with my service dog, I am a seizure patient.

726
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,000
I had a seizure there.

727
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,369
And because I had a seizure there, I was turned away and

728
00:37:12,369 --> 00:37:14,000
services were denied.

729
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,000
And I have met people in wheelchairs.

730
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,000
I've met people that are blind.

731
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,690
I've met many different types of disabled people and they

732
00:37:22,690 --> 00:37:25,000
were just turned away because of the condition.

733
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,420
And it's not so much of the condition, it's the fear of not

734
00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:29,000
understanding the conditions.

735
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,840
And because of that, there is not the support and need and

736
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,760
help for the people that are mentally ill to the physically

737
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,000
handicapped.

738
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,940
And there is a big, big issue out there at hand for the

739
00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:45,119
people that are disabled because they are the ones at the

740
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:48,710
higher risk of becoming homeless because their financial

741
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:51,389
income of just trying to pay for medications or just

742
00:37:51,389 --> 00:37:54,300
treatment just eats up their financial sources and then

743
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:56,000
they don't have nowhere to go.

744
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,090
And then when that happens, then it becomes a big issue for

745
00:37:59,090 --> 00:38:01,000
them and they try to go get help.

746
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,219
And they are turned away because people don't understand

747
00:38:03,219 --> 00:38:05,000
the conditions and things of that nature.

748
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,349
And I really wanted to give the support of quite a fit for

749
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:12,000
being one to do the coordinator situation.

750
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,059
And I'm also part of the Able Disabled Support Group

751
00:38:15,059 --> 00:38:16,000
situation.

752
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000
Fantastic.

753
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,000
Council Member Hawkins.

754
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Thank you Mayor.

755
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,000
Thank you for talking.

756
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,000
I think that's pretty courageous of you.

757
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Thank you.

758
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,239
Ultimately, what was it that kind of helped you or maybe if

759
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,000
that's too personal, you don't have to answer.

760
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,000
No, a lot did not help me to be frank with you.

761
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,940
I just became more motivated to get help for the people

762
00:38:39,940 --> 00:38:42,349
that are disabled and the people that are mentally

763
00:38:42,349 --> 00:38:43,000
challenged.

764
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,289
That's not nature because I see that there is a big demand

765
00:38:46,289 --> 00:38:47,000
for help.

766
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,449
And I said, if nobody doesn't speak up like I'm speaking

767
00:38:50,449 --> 00:38:53,000
before you, nobody's going to do it.

768
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,000
So that's why I decided to do this.

769
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,260
And I figured the more to speak out, then maybe help will

770
00:38:59,260 --> 00:39:01,000
become available.

771
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,000
Thanks for doing it.

772
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,000
Thank you.

773
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,000
All right. Thank you very much.

774
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,000
Thank you, Tim. We appreciate that.

775
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,000
Thank you very much.

776
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000
The next speaker.

777
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,000
The next speaker will be Leah Duncan-Tim.

778
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000
Sorry if I mispronounced that.

779
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,840
If you'll state your name and address, your time will begin

780
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:24,000
.

781
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,000
Okay.

782
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,119
My name is Leah Duncan-Tim and I live at 418 Des Moines

783
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:41,000
here in Denton.

784
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,500
And I just really appreciate the opportunity to come before

785
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:49,000
you to talk about homelessness here in Denton.

786
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:56,150
And to reiterate what Mr. Swenson said about the physically

787
00:39:56,150 --> 00:40:02,380
handicapped are even more discriminated against and the

788
00:40:02,380 --> 00:40:05,000
mentally ill are also discriminated against.

789
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,000
I really thank you for the opportunity to talk to you about

790
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:17,000
this situation that exists in Denton and in Denton County.

791
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,000
It's a countywide situation.

792
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,000
I am part of ABLE disabled because I am disabled myself.

793
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:31,559
I have not personally experienced homelessness, but I'm one

794
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:37,000
crisis, one paycheck away from experiencing homelessness.

795
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,429
And so far, God has seen fit that that has not happened to

796
00:40:41,429 --> 00:40:42,000
me.

797
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,860
I have taken two women into my home, own home, on a

798
00:40:46,860 --> 00:40:50,000
voluntary basis who needed housing.

799
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,800
One is sustaining and becoming self-supporting through my

800
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,070
help and assistance and through the support of ABLE

801
00:40:57,070 --> 00:40:58,000
disabled.

802
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,500
Unfortunately, one of the women that I took into my home

803
00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:06,719
was too mentally ill to be sustained in a private home

804
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,000
situation.

805
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,000
And so that was not successful.

806
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:18,750
I think it's really important that we focus on peer-to-peer

807
00:41:18,750 --> 00:41:24,000
services, people with lived experience.

808
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,989
Tim and I had an opportunity to attend a conference this

809
00:41:27,989 --> 00:41:30,000
weekend in support of that.

810
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,539
And we like to try to get a group started here with peer-to

811
00:41:34,539 --> 00:41:40,000
-peer support, like I say, for people with lived experience.

812
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:48,000
And there needs to be a range of support available.

813
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,809
It doesn't help just to throw money at a situation and then

814
00:41:52,809 --> 00:41:57,199
, you know, the person uses the money, like Tim said, you

815
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:00,000
know, for the immediate need that they have.

816
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,000
And then the problem continues.

817
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,989
I would like to ask for the council to consider a

818
00:42:10,989 --> 00:42:15,829
coordinator for the homelessness to coordinate services

819
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:19,000
that are available already in Denton.

820
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,289
I think we have a lot of repeat and repeat kind of services

821
00:42:22,289 --> 00:42:23,000
going on.

822
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,369
And I think that the depth of the services that are

823
00:42:27,369 --> 00:42:33,130
available are not well known and well received because we

824
00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:35,000
have no central person to go to.

825
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,000
And/or coordinate these services.

826
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,150
And I agree with Claudette, who says that the universities

827
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:50,000
are a great resource.

828
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,650
And I've had the opportunity to work with some of the

829
00:42:53,650 --> 00:42:57,000
students from her classes at ABLE Disabled.

830
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,000
And it's been a wonderful, very positive experience.

831
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:07,329
So I encourage you to help us encourage the universities to

832
00:43:07,329 --> 00:43:11,000
participate in our situation.

833
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,000
Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much.

834
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,000
And we have one more card on the additional citizen report.

835
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,000
It's Dylan Vassard.

836
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,070
If you'll come down and state your name and address and

837
00:43:33,070 --> 00:43:35,000
your time will begin.

838
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:41,139
Hello, I'm Dylan Vassard, 1409 Oxford, Denton, Texas. 1409

839
00:43:41,139 --> 00:43:44,000
Oxford. Oxford. Okay. I'm sorry.

840
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,500
So I've been here for about eight years. I'm an alumni of

841
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:48,000
UNT as well.

842
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,000
I just wanted to speak on behalf of Sam's skate park idea.

843
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000
So I'm in support for it.

844
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,349
I have a couple of notes that y'all are asking questions

845
00:43:58,349 --> 00:43:59,000
about.

846
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Most of the parks around here are about $100,000.

847
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,469
And there are actual websites that a lot of these parks

848
00:44:06,469 --> 00:44:10,559
that have gone built, they go to these builders that have

849
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:12,000
kind of templated parks.

850
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,000
So it keeps costs down for that.

851
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,469
And the current plot can, it could accommodate a concrete

852
00:44:18,469 --> 00:44:19,000
park.

853
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,000
There's no reason that it could not.

854
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,130
Though I know that the they're advocating for more

855
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:28,000
centralized area.

856
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:33,920
And just wanted to speak as a minority voice in a minority

857
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,000
sport.

858
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,000
I don't skateboard and my friends don't. We rollerblade.

859
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,340
But a lot of the parks around Texas and a lot of the free

860
00:44:41,340 --> 00:44:44,860
concrete parks actually, they cater more toward just

861
00:44:44,860 --> 00:44:46,000
skateboarding,

862
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,900
which makes it not very enticing sometimes to go to these

863
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:54,369
other parks because it just doesn't have the obstacles that

864
00:44:54,369 --> 00:44:55,000
you want.

865
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,880
And then that ends up, it ends up that people would rather

866
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,440
just skate street, which going to businesses and skating on

867
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,000
their stuff, you know, it's does cause damages.

868
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,190
I can see why no one wants their their rails or their

869
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:10,000
stairs or whatever it is to be skated on.

870
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:15,059
So anyways, I am the concrete park would I think it would

871
00:45:15,059 --> 00:45:18,000
be less maintenance overall because you don't have screws,

872
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,000
wood ramps falling apart.

873
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,000
It's for the concrete sets and it's done essentially.

874
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,460
So I don't know if maintenance is an issue for the park or

875
00:45:27,460 --> 00:45:29,000
not currently.

876
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:34,550
And sorry, these are just real quick notes. This is very

877
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:35,000
formal.

878
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,539
It makes me a little nervous, but I just wanted to get it

879
00:45:38,539 --> 00:45:41,000
get this out here. Take your time.

880
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,000
And it's just an dent in a real art community.

881
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,280
And I value that a whole lot. And it makes me feel better

882
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,000
to be part of such a tight knit community.

883
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,119
And for my generation, a lot of collaboration and

884
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:58,000
creativity comes out of skate parks and meeting together.

885
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,559
It's I get to meet with my peer group out there and my

886
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:05,000
career is motion graphics and it's an art field.

887
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,309
And a lot of people that I skate with and do these action

888
00:46:07,309 --> 00:46:10,000
sports with, they have similar fields.

889
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,469
And I mean, I've gotten work from work from going to skate

890
00:46:13,469 --> 00:46:17,300
parks, just just talking to people and getting more

891
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:21,000
involved in the community, essentially,

892
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,989
maybe not doing necessarily charitable things, but meeting

893
00:46:24,989 --> 00:46:28,000
the people that are around in the community. And it's nice

894
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,000
from that standpoint.

895
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,000
And I really like that. So just more of opinions, I guess.

896
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,000
And yeah, that's it.

897
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,429
Well, thank you. Thank you for coming down, Sharon. What

898
00:46:38,429 --> 00:46:43,000
does she bet?

899
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,679
We have one last card for the citizens, additional citizens

900
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:51,000
reports because we're limited to four. It's Liz. Is it Em

901
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:51,000
erson?

902
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,150
Come down and state your name and address and your time

903
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:55,000
will begin.

904
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,699
Let me jump in. Sure. I didn't even plan on doing this

905
00:46:57,699 --> 00:47:03,019
today. My name is Liz Emerson and I live at 1225 Belmead

906
00:47:03,019 --> 00:47:04,000
Drive.

907
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,820
So I just want to speak in support of the Monsignor King

908
00:47:06,820 --> 00:47:08,000
Outreach Center.

909
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,380
I do street outreach as my primary function at Giving Hope,

910
00:47:12,380 --> 00:47:13,000
Inc.

911
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,530
And it's really hard when it's hard to help people find

912
00:47:17,530 --> 00:47:21,000
jobs and get medical services and get everything they need

913
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,000
when there's not a place to sleep at night.

914
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,739
Having having all these great services and didn't really

915
00:47:28,739 --> 00:47:32,909
can't be utilized if we can't be consistent and have a

916
00:47:32,909 --> 00:47:37,000
place for people to stay regularly.

917
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,469
We have a great hunger initiative happening right now in

918
00:47:39,469 --> 00:47:40,000
Denton.

919
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,699
There's a harvest fest the second Saturday of every month

920
00:47:43,699 --> 00:47:45,000
to serve Denton.

921
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,550
So I feel like we're addressing a lot of the basic needs,

922
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:53,000
but we still haven't met that shelter.

923
00:47:53,000 --> 00:48:00,000
We just need a shelter for people to stay in, not not to be

924
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,000
put through all these different, I guess, tests.

925
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,480
And I survey people all day long. I'm the one that collects

926
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:09,000
data.

927
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,510
And it's just it's frustrating because I've been doing this

928
00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:17,000
for a year and a half now.

929
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,690
And I do feel like I'm able to help some people, but I'm

930
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:23,000
very limited in what I can do.

931
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:28,809
And I advocate for what Claudette said about having a day

932
00:48:28,809 --> 00:48:32,000
shelter, especially for those that are disabled,

933
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,820
not having to walk around all day long with we don't have a

934
00:48:36,820 --> 00:48:40,000
shelter currently for families.

935
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,989
So there's a lot of things that need to be addressed in

936
00:48:43,989 --> 00:48:48,000
terms of just basic needs so that all of our wraparound

937
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,000
services can be successful.

938
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,000
Because if you don't have a mailing address, it's not going

939
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,679
to be easy to get signed up for services or apply for a job

940
00:48:57,679 --> 00:48:58,000
.

941
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,869
And if we're expecting people to quote unquote pull

942
00:49:01,869 --> 00:49:05,699
themselves up by their bootstraps with nowhere to lay their

943
00:49:05,699 --> 00:49:10,030
head without worrying about being ticketed or sleeping in

944
00:49:10,030 --> 00:49:14,280
places where it disturbs the other citizens in the

945
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,000
community.

946
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,260
I get reports about people sleeping places, people using

947
00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:24,000
the restroom places, things that I have no power to fix,

948
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,000
but I know could be addressed.

949
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,920
And we could send all of these specific services like

950
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,519
having able disabled have a place to stay even though the

951
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,000
community clinic has done so much.

952
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,480
And I just think it would be so much easier to have a

953
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,619
centralized place because bouncing people around is just

954
00:49:45,619 --> 00:49:47,000
not fair to them,

955
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,210
especially when we're bouncing them to a place that may not

956
00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:52,000
be able to help them that day.

957
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,000
So I just kind of want to put my two cents in.

958
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:05,000
Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you.

959
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,150
Okay. That concludes the agenda agenda item or portion of

960
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:10,460
our agenda where it's presentation from members of the

961
00:50:10,460 --> 00:50:11,000
public.

962
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,670
So now we'll proceed on to the rest of the agendas for this

963
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:20,000
meeting consent agenda agenda item number four.

964
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,269
Councilman something happened. Councilmember Hawkins. Thank

965
00:50:24,269 --> 00:50:25,000
you, Mayor.

966
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,480
I move approval of consent agenda items. Sorry. A through P

967
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,000
. We have a motion.

968
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:36,000
Mayor Pro Tem Gregory. Did we pull one of those?

969
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,000
Okay. Second. We have a motion and a second.

970
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:50,000
Let's vote on the board, please.

971
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:55,000
Agenda carries consent agenda carries unanimously.

972
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,659
Moving on now to agenda items number five, which I believe

973
00:50:59,659 --> 00:51:03,000
are items for individual consideration.

974
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,409
Agenda item five a is considered nominations appointments

975
00:51:05,409 --> 00:51:07,619
to the city boards and commissions health and building

976
00:51:07,619 --> 00:51:10,000
standards commissions human service advisory committee

977
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,000
parks recreation beautification board and zoning board of

978
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:14,000
adjustment.

979
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,869
We do have one card. Do we want the speaker to speak before

980
00:51:18,869 --> 00:51:23,000
we make any nominations or I think that'd be appropriate.

981
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,630
Normally. Yes. Okay. Yes. We have a card. Mr. Willie Hutzp

982
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:32,000
ah.

983
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,000
No, that's fine.

984
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:43,000
And I do have a nomination. So, yeah.

985
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,639
Thank you, Mr. Hutzpah. Name and address your time will

986
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:47,000
begin.

987
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:53,000
Name is what I asked for 11623 Newton.

988
00:51:53,000 --> 00:52:01,460
The boards and commission commissions are nominated by you

989
00:52:01,460 --> 00:52:02,000
all.

990
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,500
What I don't follow is how you choose people and how you

991
00:52:06,500 --> 00:52:08,000
vote them off.

992
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:17,670
It seems like you just vote your friends on there, not

993
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:22,000
those who offer to serve.

994
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,869
I don't think you'll have good government like that good

995
00:52:25,869 --> 00:52:30,860
fair balanced government. When you just pick your friends

996
00:52:30,860 --> 00:52:35,710
and individuals nominated for the animal shelter or

997
00:52:35,710 --> 00:52:40,769
whatever that board is and several of you voted for that

998
00:52:40,769 --> 00:52:44,000
nomination to fail.

999
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:49,510
And I'm thinking, well, who do you want on those? Who do

1000
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:52,000
you want on the boards? You know, I thought about that.

1001
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,309
I would never get nominated to be on a board with this

1002
00:52:55,309 --> 00:53:00,000
group. I don't think so. You would never have my insight.

1003
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:06,679
All you have is puppets. And that's not good. That's not

1004
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:08,000
good.

1005
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:16,849
And one side note before I wrap up. Nice award for DMZ. The

1006
00:53:16,849 --> 00:53:23,000
Denton municipal DMZ.

1007
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:39,059
Not one African American anything in that group. In fact,

1008
00:53:39,059 --> 00:53:39,320
that's one of the groups that I'm going to be talking about

1009
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:39,599
later on. They're not any hired. You don't have any

1010
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:41,000
administrators in that in that in that pool.

1011
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,250
The electrical equipment operating pool, the manager part

1012
00:53:45,250 --> 00:53:49,519
never in the history. Have you ever had an African American

1013
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:53,000
in those in that spot? That's just an aside.

1014
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,550
So if you're going to get back to the issue that I'm

1015
00:53:56,550 --> 00:54:01,000
speaking to if you're going to pick boards and commissions.

1016
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:07,400
From the standpoint, it has to be someone all of you like.

1017
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,360
You ought to put that in there. Don't get bored and ask for

1018
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,000
people to serve in board and commission.

1019
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,989
And then it's so embarrassing for one of you to have

1020
00:54:15,989 --> 00:54:20,429
nominated the person. And then some of you voted him him

1021
00:54:20,429 --> 00:54:24,000
off. I don't guess I can mention his name.

1022
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,099
He doesn't mind me missing his name. But this thing you put

1023
00:54:27,099 --> 00:54:30,050
up there about what you can do and can't do. I'll just have

1024
00:54:30,050 --> 00:54:33,000
to check later on if I can mention the person's name.

1025
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,179
But you all know who it is. And I think some of the

1026
00:54:36,179 --> 00:54:39,630
audience know who it is, too. So put that in there. We have

1027
00:54:39,630 --> 00:54:43,840
to like them. All of us. Or they can't be on boards and

1028
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,000
commissions.

1029
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,000
Thank you, Mr. Husband.

1030
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,139
Do you have a nomination for the I think it's a health and

1031
00:54:52,139 --> 00:54:58,000
building standards? Steve Mossman. Steve Mossman.

1032
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,880
Some of you might recognize that name. He was the tax

1033
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,000
assessor collector for many, many years.

1034
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:09,030
And so he's agreed to serve on that on that committee if he

1035
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:11,000
gets so approved.

1036
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:16,570
And I still have one outstanding, which I'm working on. I

1037
00:55:16,570 --> 00:55:18,000
apologize.

1038
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,369
Is there any other? Am I the only one that's left? OK, well

1039
00:55:21,369 --> 00:55:24,000
, there you go.

1040
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,269
So that's my nomination is Steve Mossman for that. Do we do

1041
00:55:27,269 --> 00:55:29,000
we have to have a motion and vote on that? All right.

1042
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:34,300
Chair would entertain a motion. Council member, pro tem

1043
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:35,000
Gregory.

1044
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,010
Thank you, Mayor. I would move that we approve the slight

1045
00:55:39,010 --> 00:55:43,000
as presented in our backup, including your addition.

1046
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:48,000
OK. Council member Hawkins. I second.

1047
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:54,289
We have a motion and a second on the floor. Let's vote on

1048
00:55:54,289 --> 00:56:00,000
the board, please.

1049
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:07,000
Carried unanimously. Let's see.

1050
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,000
Going on to five B.

1051
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,000
OK.

1052
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,000
We got a card to speak on it, though. Yeah.

1053
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,000
Let me call it. I lost my place in my agenda. I apologize.

1054
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,099
Including items. OK, five B, I'll call the item is

1055
00:56:26,099 --> 00:56:29,400
considered option of an ordinance of the city of Denton,

1056
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,280
Texas, approving an economic development agreement for the

1057
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,300
incentive grant between the city of Denton, the board of

1058
00:56:34,300 --> 00:56:36,000
directors of the tax increment reinvestment zone.

1059
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,000
Number one city didn't Texas.

1060
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,130
We do have a card to speak on this. Mr. Willie Husbeth, if

1061
00:56:42,130 --> 00:56:45,409
you'll come down to speak on agenda item five B, state your

1062
00:56:45,409 --> 00:56:48,000
name and address and your time will begin.

1063
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:54,809
My name is Willie Husbeth. I live at 623 Newton. Mayor and

1064
00:56:54,809 --> 00:56:58,000
council members.

1065
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:07,519
The ordinance process is that you make suggestions, someone

1066
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:15,909
does, and then you all deliberate about it and then you

1067
00:57:15,909 --> 00:57:20,000
come up with your votes. I think that's the way it works.

1068
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:20,000
So your votes to either accept it or not or make comments

1069
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:20,000
and adjust it as you think it needs to be adjusted.

1070
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:25,210
By the way, that last vote, I guess you all liked Mr. Moss

1071
00:57:25,210 --> 00:57:29,280
man. Everybody liked him. So that's how he got in. The mayor

1072
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,039
nominated him. Boy, that would have been a lot of fun had

1073
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:33,000
they voted you.

1074
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:52,000
But they didn't. So we like him. Back to the ordinance. I

1075
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:52,329
think that process needs, you just need someone in the

1076
00:57:52,329 --> 00:57:52,699
process that just don't agree with you on everything. That

1077
00:57:52,699 --> 00:57:53,000
's not good government.

1078
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,969
Have someone who sees a different perspective and then have

1079
00:57:57,969 --> 00:58:02,420
them talk about the ordinances because there are some

1080
00:58:02,420 --> 00:58:07,789
really bad ones as far as code enforcement that came about

1081
00:58:07,789 --> 00:58:11,000
in situations like this.

1082
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:17,000
You change the name of that organization, code enforcement.

1083
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:22,460
But the people that you have in place of that group are

1084
00:58:22,460 --> 00:58:24,000
enforcers.

1085
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,000
That's all they do is enforce.

1086
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,869
And so I think that the ordinance process should be a

1087
00:58:31,869 --> 00:58:36,190
little bit different and then you should have a little bit

1088
00:58:36,190 --> 00:58:40,000
more input and what it is that you're voting for. Thank you

1089
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:40,000
.

1090
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,000
Thank you, Mr. Husband.

1091
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:49,000
Mayor pro tem Gregory.

1092
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:54,000
Five B.

1093
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,000
On item five B I move that we postpone until September 15.

1094
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:23,000
Councilmember Hawkins. I'll second. You have a motion to

1095
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:23,000
second to postpone till September 15. Let's vote please.

1096
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:29,880
Motion carries. The only reason I hesitated that the motion

1097
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,079
said motion to table. I guess that's just because of the

1098
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:34,019
the way the electronic thing is. I'm assuming that's still

1099
00:59:34,019 --> 00:59:35,000
correct.

1100
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,000
Okay. All right. Thank you. I just wanted to make sure.

1101
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,000
Thank you. Madam, Senator, Secretary.

1102
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,170
We'll go on to agenda item for public hearings agenda item

1103
00:59:44,170 --> 00:59:47,159
6A and believe the new procedure now is I'll read the

1104
00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:50,199
caption and then open the public hearing and then we'll

1105
00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:53,510
have staff presentation and then anyone wishing to speak on

1106
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:56,000
that agenda item is welcome to come down and speak.

1107
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,119
So 6A is hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an

1108
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:02,230
ordinance of the city of Denton, Texas, providing for an

1109
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:04,769
amendment to a detailed plan for a single family

1110
01:00:04,769 --> 01:00:07,820
development within a plan development district zone on

1111
01:00:07,820 --> 01:00:11,000
approximately one point three seven acres of property.

1112
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,000
You're opening the public. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes.

1113
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,000
I will open the public hearing public hearing is now open.

1114
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,010
Thank you, Mayor. And I'll call on Amy Bissett, our

1115
01:00:19,010 --> 01:00:21,000
director of development services to present this case.

1116
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,000
Thank you.

1117
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,000
Thank you, Mayor and City Council members.

1118
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:33,730
What you're considering this evening is an ordinance to

1119
01:00:33,730 --> 01:00:36,000
amend a detailed plan.

1120
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,000
Get the presentation up here.

1121
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,599
This is an ordinance amending a detailed plan for a single

1122
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:47,820
family development. This is plan development number 12 and

1123
01:00:47,820 --> 01:00:51,010
the purpose is to simply amend the detailed plan to

1124
01:00:51,010 --> 01:00:55,000
incorporate approximate 2.9 acres into the plan.

1125
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,260
And this is this case is going to look familiar to you

1126
01:00:57,260 --> 01:01:00,000
because this is the fourth time you've seen it this year.

1127
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:05,510
But each each item is a step in the process that that is

1128
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:07,000
necessary.

1129
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,989
This is a detailed plan that is located just off of State

1130
01:01:10,989 --> 01:01:15,000
School Road near the boundary of the city of Corinth.

1131
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,539
This past couple of months, you've had two public hearings

1132
01:01:18,539 --> 01:01:22,090
related to amending that boundary to be able to incorporate

1133
01:01:22,090 --> 01:01:27,000
this additional point 2.9 acres into the city of Denton.

1134
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,650
The plan development essentially bifurcated the city of

1135
01:01:30,650 --> 01:01:34,340
Denton and the city of Corinth boundaries. We have since

1136
01:01:34,340 --> 01:01:38,000
made that boundary adjustment, as you can see here.

1137
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,190
And the full area of the detailed plan is now included in

1138
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:46,000
the city of Denton limits.

1139
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,849
As I indicated before, this is located just off of State

1140
01:01:49,849 --> 01:01:53,099
School Road. It's near the intersection of Waterford Way

1141
01:01:53,099 --> 01:01:54,000
and Winston Drive.

1142
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:59,039
On the area presented overhead, the overall yellow line

1143
01:01:59,039 --> 01:02:03,000
represents the entire plan development.

1144
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,800
However, the small sliver on the southern boundary is the

1145
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,000
only piece incorporated in the detailed plan.

1146
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,300
The reason for that is that the rest of that plan

1147
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:16,000
development is in the floodplain.

1148
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,989
So this small sliver is the only part that will actually be

1149
01:02:19,989 --> 01:02:21,000
developed.

1150
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:26,000
It is zoned as the plan development number 12.

1151
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:33,079
It is designated for residential low density in our future

1152
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:35,000
land use map.

1153
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:40,659
And this particular detailed plan calls for a cluster

1154
01:02:40,659 --> 01:02:44,000
housing is the plan concept.

1155
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:49,119
And that plan concept was approved previously, but it is

1156
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:54,000
consistent with this future land use designation.

1157
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,019
We have considered the boundary adjustment agreement, which

1158
01:02:57,019 --> 01:02:58,000
is now complete.

1159
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,500
The concept plan, which was approved in October of last

1160
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:04,000
year, calls for cluster housing,

1161
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:09,409
which is a residential development that the developer has

1162
01:03:09,409 --> 01:03:14,699
defined in their concept plan to be anything less than six

1163
01:03:14,699 --> 01:03:17,000
dwelling units per acre.

1164
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:21,000
This particular layout calls for 5.8.

1165
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,400
And so their detailed plan is consistent with their concept

1166
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,000
plan, which was approved in October.

1167
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,000
And it is consistent with the Denton plan 2030.

1168
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,510
The planning and zoning commission recommends approval

1169
01:03:34,510 --> 01:03:37,000
seven to zero and staff recommends approval as well.

1170
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,000
And with that, I'll be glad to take any questions.

1171
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:47,559
Any questions for staff before we go to our public speakers

1172
01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:48,000
?

1173
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,000
Seeing none. All right.

1174
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,000
We have a card, but of course, this is a public hearing.

1175
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,679
So anybody wishing to speak does not have to sign up for a

1176
01:03:55,679 --> 01:03:56,000
card.

1177
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:03,000
But Mr. Willie Hutzpeth, you'll come down.

1178
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,000
I'll go get him.

1179
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,000
Okay.

1180
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,719
While we're waiting, if anybody else is wishing to speak on

1181
01:04:11,719 --> 01:04:14,480
this agenda item, please come down and state your name and

1182
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:15,000
address.

1183
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:20,000
Anybody else wishing to speak on this agenda item 6A?

1184
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,000
All right.

1185
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:25,000
Well, we'll wait for Mr. Hutzpeth to come in.

1186
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,000
You got a question?

1187
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,000
Okay.

1188
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,000
We've got a question.

1189
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,000
Amy.

1190
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,880
So you said just the front part is going to be developed so

1191
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:42,000
the backspace, the floodplain is going to stay trees and --

1192
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,000
That's correct.

1193
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,219
The only piece incorporated in the plan are those eight

1194
01:04:46,219 --> 01:04:48,000
lots and that small sliver.

1195
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:54,000
Thank you.

1196
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,409
Mr. Hutzpeth, just state your name and address for agenda

1197
01:04:56,409 --> 01:04:57,000
item 6A.

1198
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,000
Thank you.

1199
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,000
We already know it, but for the record.

1200
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,000
My name is Willie Hutzpeth.

1201
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,000
I live at 620 Lee Newton.

1202
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:09,000
I'm here in council members.

1203
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:15,679
I'm concerned that I have a house on Bonnie Bray and these

1204
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:22,000
lines are going to come down through where my house is.

1205
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,369
I paid attention to what was told me that was going to

1206
01:05:26,369 --> 01:05:30,000
happen with those transmission lines.

1207
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,000
Am I on the right one?

1208
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:36,610
Yeah, we're on 6A, which is a residential -- which is a

1209
01:05:36,610 --> 01:05:39,000
planned development amendment.

1210
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,000
I believe yours was -- or the one you're speaking on.

1211
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,000
Which one is that?

1212
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:47,000
He's on 6B, but we're on 6A.

1213
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:53,429
Yeah, you did fill in a card for 6A, which is a -- 6A is

1214
01:05:53,429 --> 01:05:57,000
adoption of an ordinance for amendment to a detailed plan.

1215
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,300
So if you'd like to speak on that, you're more than welcome

1216
01:05:59,300 --> 01:06:01,000
, and if not, we'll get you on 6B.

1217
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,000
6B, thank you.

1218
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,000
Okay.

1219
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,000
Thank you, sir, very much.

1220
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,000
Okay.

1221
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,000
This is a public hearing.

1222
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:11,000
Anybody else wishing to speak on agenda item 6A?

1223
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,000
6A.

1224
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,000
Seeing none, I will close the public hearing.

1225
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,000
Councilmember Briggs?

1226
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,000
I make a motion to approve.

1227
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,000
All right, we have a motion.

1228
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,000
Councilmember Wasney?

1229
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,000
Second the motion.

1230
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,000
Second the motion.

1231
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,809
All right, we have a motion and a second for agenda item 6A

1232
01:06:29,809 --> 01:06:30,000
.

1233
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:38,000
Let's vote on the board.

1234
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,000
Motion carries, 7-0.

1235
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,239
Agenda item 6B, hold a public hearing, consider approval of

1236
01:06:43,239 --> 01:06:46,119
resolution for the proposed transmission line route for

1237
01:06:46,119 --> 01:06:48,000
construction expansion and use of electric power

1238
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,000
transmission lines beginning on the Bonnie Bray substation

1239
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,000
of Dent Municipal Electric.

1240
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,000
Boy, my speech is flaring.

1241
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,000
It's getting so late.

1242
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,000
We've been here so long.

1243
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,000
I apologize.

1244
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,000
We will now open the public hearing for agenda item 6B.

1245
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,000
We have a staff presentation.

1246
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,000
Yes, I'm sorry.

1247
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,650
Let me invite Mr. Brent Heath to come and present his

1248
01:07:06,650 --> 01:07:08,000
public hearing.

1249
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,000
Thank you, Mr. Heath.

1250
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,000
Thank you, George.

1251
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:31,000
Good evening, Mayor, Councilmembers.

1252
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,820
This public hearing is for the Bonnie Bray to North Lakes

1253
01:07:33,820 --> 01:07:36,000
transmission line project that we have.

1254
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,679
I'm going to move to a slide to refresh everybody's memory

1255
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:41,000
where this is at.

1256
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:45,530
The red outer loop lines around the city of Denton here are

1257
01:07:45,530 --> 01:07:50,730
the 138 kV transmission line system that we presently have

1258
01:07:50,730 --> 01:07:52,000
in operate.

1259
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:57,219
The green circle inside of the red is our existing 69 kV

1260
01:07:57,219 --> 01:08:00,000
transmission line system.

1261
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,230
This is the portion of our transmission system that's

1262
01:08:03,230 --> 01:08:06,000
targeted to be converted to 138 kV.

1263
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,809
The project tonight in question for this public hearing is

1264
01:08:09,809 --> 01:08:13,519
Bonnie Bray to North Lakes identified as number 5 in the

1265
01:08:13,519 --> 01:08:16,000
top left-hand corner of this map.

1266
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,000
It's also identified here in the bottom right-hand corner,

1267
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:24,600
and it says that this is to replace aging structures and

1268
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,000
increase capacity.

1269
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,279
We do analysis and studies of our entire transmission

1270
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:31,000
system.

1271
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,729
One of the formal reports that we do each year required by

1272
01:08:34,729 --> 01:08:37,000
NERC is a FERC 715 study.

1273
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,430
The FERC 715 study says we have to analyze the entire

1274
01:08:40,430 --> 01:08:43,180
system, identify any weaknesses, and we must go ahead and

1275
01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:48,350
figure out a way to upgrade the line to prevent any type of

1276
01:08:48,350 --> 01:08:51,000
issues in the future.

1277
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,000
One of our engineering consultants is Power Engineers.

1278
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:57,029
This is a constraint map that they prepared that shows

1279
01:08:57,029 --> 01:09:01,239
where the Bonnie Bray substation is at right in this area

1280
01:09:01,239 --> 01:09:03,000
at the bottom of the map,

1281
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,359
and the North Lake substation in the top third of the map

1282
01:09:06,359 --> 01:09:09,000
to help orient some other identifiers.

1283
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,000
This is I-35.

1284
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:17,140
This location in the bottom third is US 380 or University

1285
01:09:17,140 --> 01:09:18,000
Drive.

1286
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:23,510
And up here in the north top is Loop 288, US 77, and Riney

1287
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:27,000
Road here with North Lake substation.

1288
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:31,069
Presently, we have the 69KV line that runs from Bonnie Bray

1289
01:09:31,069 --> 01:09:36,300
substation up Bonnie Bray, past Windsor, up to North Lake

1290
01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:38,000
substation.

1291
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,939
The reason for the constraints map is we need to try to

1292
01:09:40,939 --> 01:09:43,760
figure out are there other ways that we can get from

1293
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,850
station to station and what would be obstructions that

1294
01:09:46,850 --> 01:09:49,000
would potentially be in the way.

1295
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:53,909
And so the orange or dark yellow color here indicates resid

1296
01:09:53,909 --> 01:09:57,000
ences or homes where people live.

1297
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:01,300
The area outlined in green is the city of Denton Park,

1298
01:10:01,300 --> 01:10:03,000
North Lakes Park.

1299
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,989
It shows the blue route that I'll show in another map that

1300
01:10:06,989 --> 01:10:10,989
's a little easier to see and some possible routes that I'll

1301
01:10:10,989 --> 01:10:12,000
discuss.

1302
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,340
This map is a zoomed in area showing Bonnie Bray at the

1303
01:10:15,340 --> 01:10:19,289
bottom, North Lake substation at the top, existing route

1304
01:10:19,289 --> 01:10:22,000
runs straight up Bonnie Bray.

1305
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,979
We had a yellow route that was proposed that we wanted to

1306
01:10:24,979 --> 01:10:28,039
have under consideration as well as an orange route and a

1307
01:10:28,039 --> 01:10:29,000
green route.

1308
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,939
On the right hand side of this map, it's zoomed in from

1309
01:10:31,939 --> 01:10:37,649
Windsor Avenue, which is halfway, about halfway between

1310
01:10:37,649 --> 01:10:43,539
Bonnie Bray and North Lakes, a little bit closer from Winds

1311
01:10:43,539 --> 01:10:46,000
or up to Rony Road.

1312
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,340
One of the things that our engineering consultant, Power

1313
01:10:49,340 --> 01:10:52,680
Engineers, has requested that we do, that they do across

1314
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:56,010
the country, is to go ahead and do a matrix, talk about the

1315
01:10:56,010 --> 01:10:59,000
pros and cons of each of these route options.

1316
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,939
So we identified nine different options that they said are

1317
01:11:01,939 --> 01:11:06,000
typically used for transmission line, length of the routes,

1318
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,970
length of the right of way that would require new

1319
01:11:08,970 --> 01:11:12,000
transmission line right of way or easements,

1320
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,430
how close is it to roads, how close to residences, other

1321
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:18,779
items, or any of the landowners of the property willing to

1322
01:11:18,779 --> 01:11:22,000
negotiate or work with you on easements or land sales.

1323
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:27,369
So we have the blue route column, which is the existing

1324
01:11:27,369 --> 01:11:28,000
route.

1325
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,729
We have the yellow transmission line route as proposed by

1326
01:11:31,729 --> 01:11:37,000
one of the neighbors in the area, which is right here.

1327
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,789
And the orange route, which is the yellow route with a

1328
01:11:39,789 --> 01:11:42,000
little variation at the northern end.

1329
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:46,000
And the green route, which is the yellow route with another

1330
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:47,000
variation.

1331
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,989
The items and numbers that are identified in bold font are

1332
01:11:50,989 --> 01:11:54,000
some of the positive route indicators.

1333
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,039
An example of that would be this very first line item, the

1334
01:11:57,039 --> 01:11:59,000
length of the alternate routes.

1335
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:05,140
The blue between Bonnebrae and North Lakes is 8,175 feet, 8

1336
01:12:05,140 --> 01:12:10,600
,127 feet linear length between Bonnebrae down, way down

1337
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:14,000
here all the way at Bonnebrae to North Lakes.

1338
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:18,729
The yellow route would be 8,581, so you can tell there's a

1339
01:12:18,729 --> 01:12:22,000
difference of 300 feet right there.

1340
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,960
The orange route would be a little bit further, and the

1341
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,000
green route is the longest route.

1342
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,300
And you can look down through each of these line items to

1343
01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:31,000
see how they compare with each other.

1344
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,130
One of the things that I wanted to note at the bottom of

1345
01:12:34,130 --> 01:12:37,569
this map is the apparent landowner's willingness to sell

1346
01:12:37,569 --> 01:12:39,000
land for easement.

1347
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:43,079
The blue route, the existing route, is identified as yes,

1348
01:12:43,079 --> 01:12:47,000
whereas the yellow, the orange, and the green are no.

1349
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:51,369
This is because on this map, if you look at the right-hand

1350
01:12:51,369 --> 01:12:56,000
side, the yellow route, the orange route, and the green

1351
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:56,000
route,

1352
01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:00,159
all of this land right here is owned by a single property

1353
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:05,000
owner, and the property owner would be the Razor families.

1354
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,800
And the Razor families said that they would prefer that it

1355
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,000
remain in its existing location,

1356
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,739
and they would be willing to sell some additional easement

1357
01:13:13,739 --> 01:13:17,529
for the additional width that would be required between 69

1358
01:13:17,529 --> 01:13:19,000
kV to 138 kV.

1359
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:23,199
Whereas, they said, since they own the property, their

1360
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:26,989
preference would not be to subdivide and split up the

1361
01:13:26,989 --> 01:13:29,000
property that they own.

1362
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:33,399
We also have another home that's up here, southeast corner

1363
01:13:33,399 --> 01:13:36,000
of Ronnie Road and Bonnie Bray.

1364
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:40,090
This homeowner has indicated through the second open house

1365
01:13:40,090 --> 01:13:44,000
that they also are willing to negotiate with the city.

1366
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:49,000
We had, this was an involved process back in November 2013,

1367
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,100
we held the very first open house for the North Lake Sub

1368
01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:54,000
station Project and the transmission line.

1369
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,000
We went to the Public Utility Board in January of 2014.

1370
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,000
At that time, during the public hearing at the PUB meeting,

1371
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,399
they recommended that we only move forward with the Sub

1372
01:14:03,399 --> 01:14:05,000
station Project North Lakes,

1373
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,390
but postpone approving and recommending the transmission

1374
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:09,000
route.

1375
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,960
And that was because during the public hearing, the

1376
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:15,239
citizens, some of the homeowners got together and presented

1377
01:14:15,239 --> 01:14:18,000
an alternate route that they would like to have analyzed.

1378
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,000
And so we moved forward only with the Substation Project,

1379
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:27,000
came to City Council February 2014, and it was approved.

1380
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,520
We had a second open house, which was promised at the

1381
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,819
Public Utility Board when they said that the transmission

1382
01:14:33,819 --> 01:14:36,789
line would be delayed and put on hold to analyze the

1383
01:14:36,789 --> 01:14:38,000
alternate routes.

1384
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,500
We had that on June the 29th, 2015 at the North Branch

1385
01:14:41,500 --> 01:14:43,000
Library.

1386
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:47,560
And we held a Public Utility Board public hearing on August

1387
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,000
the 10th, 2015.

1388
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,989
And after that public hearing, the Public Utility Board

1389
01:14:53,989 --> 01:14:58,220
recommended moving forward with the blue transmission line

1390
01:14:58,220 --> 01:14:59,000
route.

1391
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,270
To give you some numbers on the open house summary, the

1392
01:15:02,270 --> 01:15:05,000
meeting was on June the 29th.

1393
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:09,350
We held out June the 15th 141 notices to people that would

1394
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:12,869
be potentially affected within 500 feet of the transmission

1395
01:15:12,869 --> 01:15:14,000
, any of the transmission line routes.

1396
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:20,199
18 people attended the meeting and we received back 12

1397
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:22,000
comment forms.

1398
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,340
One of the questions that was on the survey said, do you

1399
01:15:25,340 --> 01:15:28,680
understand why the transmission line needs to be, why it's

1400
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,000
needed and why it needs to be rebuilt?

1401
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,800
100% of the people that responded to the survey said yes,

1402
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,000
they understood.

1403
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,090
It's kind of rare to get 100% of people to agree on

1404
01:15:39,090 --> 01:15:42,390
anything, but they agreed that the lines there needs to be

1405
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:45,000
rebuilt and they understand the need.

1406
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,000
This is another question that was on the survey.

1407
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:53,350
If you look to the top left hand corner, the top two sites

1408
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:57,000
or routes, you can reference on the right hand side.

1409
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:01,239
The top two routes, the blue route and the green route were

1410
01:16:01,239 --> 01:16:04,000
the two most strongly opposed routes.

1411
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:08,149
Whereas on the right hand side, the top two strongly

1412
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:13,000
supported routes was the yellow route and the blue route.

1413
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:17,689
So the blue route made it both strongly opposed and

1414
01:16:17,689 --> 01:16:20,000
strongly supported.

1415
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,989
Here's some of the comments with quotes that came back from

1416
01:16:23,989 --> 01:16:25,000
the surveys.

1417
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,979
Philip Baker, he's the representative for the Razor family,

1418
01:16:27,979 --> 01:16:31,000
in quote, he said, we request the blue route, the existing

1419
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,609
route be used for the reconstruction of the transmission

1420
01:16:33,609 --> 01:16:36,000
line along the east side of Bonnie Bray.

1421
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:39,859
Any of these routes would impact property that the Razor

1422
01:16:39,859 --> 01:16:41,000
family is on.

1423
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,850
I'll let you read through these, but I'll highlight a

1424
01:16:43,850 --> 01:16:45,000
couple of points.

1425
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:50,029
One of the comments said look at the aesthetic value and

1426
01:16:50,029 --> 01:16:55,149
this goes down to the Razor Ranch property, so consider

1427
01:16:55,149 --> 01:16:56,000
that.

1428
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,880
Another comment says the green line easement, which is the

1429
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:03,000
furthest east one, would take up most of their backyard.

1430
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,569
Most likely it would require them to move a building and

1431
01:17:06,569 --> 01:17:10,239
that they think that the blue route would be the cheapest

1432
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:12,000
to run and to maintain.

1433
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:17,199
Another citizen came in and said be sure and consider the

1434
01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:22,640
aesthetic impact, the visual impact, because the Razor

1435
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,000
Ranch shopping centers.

1436
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,409
Another citizen said I believe the blue option provides the

1437
01:17:27,409 --> 01:17:29,550
least expensive option since the right of way has been

1438
01:17:29,550 --> 01:17:31,000
established for many years.

1439
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,659
This original line has been in place since the early 60s

1440
01:17:34,659 --> 01:17:37,000
and it's been there for many years.

1441
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,500
Another citizen said the house is on the corner of Bonnie

1442
01:17:40,500 --> 01:17:42,000
Bray and Riney Road.

1443
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,699
The line would run right over their front door on their

1444
01:17:44,699 --> 01:17:47,470
house and so there would be some easements that would be

1445
01:17:47,470 --> 01:17:48,000
needed.

1446
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,960
And this is one of the landowners that through the second

1447
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,680
public hearing, excuse me, public open house, has indicated

1448
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,000
that they're willing to negotiate with the city.

1449
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,029
It's not only due to the transmission line, but they also

1450
01:18:00,029 --> 01:18:02,720
are aware that on the mobility plan, at some point in the

1451
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:03,000
future,

1452
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,210
Bonnie Bray will be widened and also Riney Road will be

1453
01:18:06,210 --> 01:18:07,000
widened.

1454
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,520
It's a secondary arterial and a collector street and they

1455
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,710
will be widened so they know that it will be squeezing

1456
01:18:13,710 --> 01:18:17,000
their existing house from two different sides.

1457
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,960
So the next public involvement steps based on citizen

1458
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:23,390
comments from the two open houses, the positive indicators

1459
01:18:23,390 --> 01:18:25,000
from the valuation matrix,

1460
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,109
the engineering factors, willingness of the impacted

1461
01:18:28,109 --> 01:18:31,479
property owners to work with staff and PUB's recommendation

1462
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,000
during the public hearing for the blue option.

1463
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,000
DME recommends, staff recommends moving forward with the

1464
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,760
Bonnie Bray to North Lakes transmission line along the

1465
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,000
existing blue route.

1466
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,590
I'd be happy to answer any questions that you have now or

1467
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:45,000
after the citizens speak.

1468
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,000
Any questions for staff at this time?

1469
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,000
Will we go to speakers?

1470
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:54,000
Councilmember Wasney.

1471
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:59,550
So after Bonnie Bray is widened and we look at the center

1472
01:18:59,550 --> 01:19:04,579
point of the road to the transmission line, there is a rule

1473
01:19:04,579 --> 01:19:07,000
that said that's supposed to be 60 feet.

1474
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,000
Is that correct?

1475
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,800
And will this be 60 feet from the center point when the

1476
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,000
road has been widened?

1477
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:16,000
I'd like to be able to answer that question.

1478
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,220
I'm not an electrical engineer, not a civil engineer, and

1479
01:19:18,220 --> 01:19:21,550
we have engineers at the city that actually do mobility

1480
01:19:21,550 --> 01:19:23,000
plan and road projects.

1481
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:27,199
But the location of where the existing wood pole line is at

1482
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:31,750
is presently around 32 and a half feet east of the existing

1483
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:33,000
east curb line.

1484
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,810
And our new steel transmission pole line would be within

1485
01:19:36,810 --> 01:19:40,779
two to three feet east of that, which would accommodate any

1486
01:19:40,779 --> 01:19:43,000
future widening of Bonnie Bray.

1487
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:47,109
So I guess I come back to my question, is there a rule on

1488
01:19:47,109 --> 01:19:51,770
the books that it's supposed to be 60 feet from the center

1489
01:19:51,770 --> 01:19:53,000
of the road?

1490
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:58,000
And if it's not currently --

1491
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,000
You're talking 60 foot easement for the transmission line?

1492
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,000
Yeah, from where the pole and the transmission line --

1493
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,789
One of the things, the advantages of keep having a

1494
01:20:06,789 --> 01:20:10,270
transmission line parallel to an existing roadway, which is

1495
01:20:10,270 --> 01:20:13,359
one of the criteria in the evaluation matrix, is you don't

1496
01:20:13,359 --> 01:20:16,000
have to have the full 75 foot width easement.

1497
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,649
You can utilize the road as a portion of that 75 foot eas

1498
01:20:19,649 --> 01:20:23,069
ement and only need half of that or a little bit more than

1499
01:20:23,069 --> 01:20:25,000
that on the property side.

1500
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,430
And so the 75 feet used to be the 60 feet when we were

1501
01:20:28,430 --> 01:20:30,000
using 69 KV lines.

1502
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,000
So I'm not sure if that's what you're referring to.

1503
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:34,000
That answers my question.

1504
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,000
And then another question, too.

1505
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,869
You have a large portion of property to the east and a

1506
01:20:39,869 --> 01:20:43,000
large portion of property to the west.

1507
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,430
Can you tell me approximately how many acres are on each

1508
01:20:46,430 --> 01:20:47,000
side?

1509
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:51,359
I know that you said there was one owner primarily to the

1510
01:20:51,359 --> 01:20:54,649
east, but I believe we have a large chunk of land to the

1511
01:20:54,649 --> 01:20:58,819
west and we only have maybe three or four property owners

1512
01:20:58,819 --> 01:21:00,000
on that side.

1513
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:08,000
Do those two pieces of land, are they similar in size?

1514
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,079
Could you help redirect me to which section of land that

1515
01:21:10,079 --> 01:21:11,000
you're speaking of?

1516
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:15,000
This is north of Windsor to the east.

1517
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:19,109
We have one property owner that owns kind of the big chunk

1518
01:21:19,109 --> 01:21:20,000
of land.

1519
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,300
And then we have three or four property owners to the west

1520
01:21:24,300 --> 01:21:28,430
just trying to establish that there's kind of an equal

1521
01:21:28,430 --> 01:21:34,210
portion of acreage to the west as there is to the east of

1522
01:21:34,210 --> 01:21:39,000
land owners that will be impacted by the blue line.

1523
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,630
On all four of these routes, the blue route, the yellow

1524
01:21:41,630 --> 01:21:44,600
route, the orange route, and the green route, all four of

1525
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,850
those would impact a single property owner of any of these

1526
01:21:47,850 --> 01:21:49,000
route options.

1527
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,500
If you're asking could we move the line to the west side of

1528
01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:56,010
Bonnie Bray, there are some large property owners over

1529
01:21:56,010 --> 01:21:59,000
there as well and that didn't seem as viable.

1530
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:04,350
Just trying to establish that we do have a large tract to

1531
01:22:04,350 --> 01:22:09,000
the east and we have a large tract to the west.

1532
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,000
I just want to establish that fact.

1533
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:16,000
Yes, that is correct.

1534
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,000
Any other questions?

1535
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,000
Oh yeah.

1536
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,000
Any other questions?

1537
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,000
Were you?

1538
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,000
Okay, I'm sorry.

1539
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,989
Any other questions for staff before we take citizen

1540
01:22:26,989 --> 01:22:28,000
comments?

1541
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,000
Thank you.

1542
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:34,000
All right, we've got a green card which is the first.

1543
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,000
That's kind.

1544
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:39,699
And the green card represents that the speaker will be

1545
01:22:39,699 --> 01:22:44,520
representing four or more people and will have additional

1546
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:45,000
time.

1547
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,939
The speaker will be Joyce Poole, so Joyce if you could come

1548
01:22:47,939 --> 01:22:50,000
down and state your name and address.

1549
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,819
I've got the four people you're representing, obviously

1550
01:22:52,819 --> 01:22:54,000
yourself included.

1551
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:58,270
John Smith, Dorothy Smith, Eric Fullerton, and Marla Full

1552
01:22:58,270 --> 01:22:59,000
erton.

1553
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:00,649
If you all are here, could you just raise your hand just so

1554
01:23:00,649 --> 01:23:01,000
we can.

1555
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,000
Okay, great.

1556
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:03,000
Come on down.

1557
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,819
And you do have, because you are representing several

1558
01:23:05,819 --> 01:23:09,000
speakers, you do have ten minutes to speak if you need it.

1559
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,000
And if you don't, that's okay too.

1560
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,000
I may just talk in one minute.

1561
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,000
I'm nervous.

1562
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:16,000
No, you'll do fine.

1563
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:17,000
Let me think.

1564
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:21,199
And if you just state your name and address once you begin,

1565
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:23,000
your time will begin.

1566
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,000
My name is Joyce, excuse me.

1567
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,000
My name is Joyce Poole.

1568
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:31,000
I reside at 3021 North Bonny Bray.

1569
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:36,170
I am speaking primarily tonight for those of us who live on

1570
01:23:36,170 --> 01:23:39,000
the west side of Bonny Bray.

1571
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,220
Those properties, the five of us who are here tonight are

1572
01:23:42,220 --> 01:23:46,250
Mr. and Mrs. John Smith, Mr. and Mrs. Eric Fullerton, and

1573
01:23:46,250 --> 01:23:47,000
myself.

1574
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,260
Four others were unable to attend due to illnesses in their

1575
01:23:50,260 --> 01:23:55,930
families, Mr. and Mrs. Sean Smith, and Mr. and Mrs. Tim

1576
01:23:55,930 --> 01:23:57,000
Duke.

1577
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:00,359
You've just already seen the map, but I'll leave it there

1578
01:24:00,359 --> 01:24:01,000
anyway.

1579
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:08,069
In answer to Mrs. Wozni's question, the combined property

1580
01:24:08,069 --> 01:24:13,510
totals facing Bonny Bray, owned by the people I've just

1581
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:17,000
named, comes to over 50 acres.

1582
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:25,000
Mr. Razor's land is about 48 total, just for the record.

1583
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,550
Each of the families are personally affected by the

1584
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:32,770
placement of the proposed transmission lines, not only in

1585
01:24:32,770 --> 01:24:36,000
our daily living, so near the lines,

1586
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:41,550
but in a very decreased property value for, according to

1587
01:24:41,550 --> 01:24:45,659
real estate, articles on residential properties being

1588
01:24:45,659 --> 01:24:48,000
located near transmission lines.

1589
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:52,760
For most of our homes, we will be about 100 feet from our

1590
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:57,000
property to the lines, or the transmission lines.

1591
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:02,050
From the neighborhood meetings with DME, conversations and

1592
01:25:02,050 --> 01:25:06,520
surveys, it becomes obvious that no one wanted these lines

1593
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,000
near their homes.

1594
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:13,000
It's not in my backyard, the old famous syndrome.

1595
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:17,270
In order to seek a compromise of the homes on Hardaway and

1596
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:21,539
those on Bonny Bray, we had proposed the placement of the

1597
01:25:21,539 --> 01:25:28,000
lines along the yellow line, or the yellow to orange.

1598
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:33,000
It could go either or just straight through.

1599
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:39,000
Excuse me.

1600
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:46,000
In reviewing the survey results, which I have downloaded,

1601
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:50,180
in the materials I noted that three of the 12 people who

1602
01:25:50,180 --> 01:25:54,000
took the survey, or responded to the survey,

1603
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:59,000
were not residents of this area at all.

1604
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:03,949
So when you combine the support, or strongly support

1605
01:26:03,949 --> 01:26:09,159
options, the percentages of each of those options, it

1606
01:26:09,159 --> 01:26:17,000
results in 71.1% for the orange, 44.4% for the blue,

1607
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:27,369
51.1% for the yellow, and 33.3% for the green, a huge 155%

1608
01:26:27,369 --> 01:26:31,000
for anything but the blue.

1609
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,659
The Razor property representative has stated, "There are no

1610
01:26:34,659 --> 01:26:37,949
plans for development on this land. It is just an

1611
01:26:37,949 --> 01:26:40,000
investment property.

1612
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:43,489
There are approximately 48 acres, and they're currently

1613
01:26:43,489 --> 01:26:45,000
used for ground crops."

1614
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:51,090
The 69 kilovolt line currently running along Bonny Bray are

1615
01:26:51,090 --> 01:26:53,000
on wooden poles.

1616
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:57,880
They are set approximately 35 feet from the pole to the

1617
01:26:57,880 --> 01:26:59,000
curb edge.

1618
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,279
And then if you went from the pole to the center line of

1619
01:27:02,279 --> 01:27:06,420
the road, which I believe Ms. Wozni was indicating, that is

1620
01:27:06,420 --> 01:27:11,800
currently between 55 and 60 feet, depending on which pole

1621
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,000
you measure from.

1622
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:19,270
We understand that a 60 to 75 foot distance is needed from

1623
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:24,000
the pole to the center line of a road for traffic safety.

1624
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,000
This is what we currently have.

1625
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:31,310
According to the mobility plan, Bonny Bray is scheduled for

1626
01:27:31,310 --> 01:27:36,859
widening beginning in 2016 from I-35 to the south up to R

1627
01:27:36,859 --> 01:27:43,000
iney Road, which is, well, you can see it there, up here.

1628
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:47,229
To Riney Road on the north, whether it will be a one lane

1629
01:27:47,229 --> 01:27:52,000
or two lane seems not to be settled, per my own inquiries.

1630
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,989
This presents a major question concerning the placement of

1631
01:27:55,989 --> 01:27:58,000
those transmission lines.

1632
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,989
DME has stated that the new lines could be placed three to

1633
01:28:01,989 --> 01:28:05,989
five feet east of their current location, and that would

1634
01:28:05,989 --> 01:28:08,000
allow for a road widening.

1635
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:12,050
That does not seem possible and still maintain the eas

1636
01:28:12,050 --> 01:28:16,640
ements of a 60 plus foot needed to the center line of a road

1637
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:17,000
.

1638
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:22,279
It would seem even a minimum one lane road expansion would

1639
01:28:22,279 --> 01:28:28,000
require the new poles to be placed 12 to 15 feet more to

1640
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,000
the east of the present poles.

1641
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:35,760
If a wider road is designed or an even greater distance may

1642
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:40,800
be needed or allowed for, then we have to again consider

1643
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,000
where that could be.

1644
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:47,649
Will there be a median that will increase a distance needed

1645
01:28:47,649 --> 01:28:48,000
?

1646
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:52,010
As traffic continues to increase, going both to razor

1647
01:28:52,010 --> 01:28:56,289
shopping areas, our parks and homes, it is prudent to make

1648
01:28:56,289 --> 01:28:59,000
this easement allowance now.

1649
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:03,000
While this is still all undeveloped land.

1650
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:10,289
As traffic continues to increase, too often we have not

1651
01:29:10,289 --> 01:29:15,890
used good foresight for our need for sufficient roads to

1652
01:29:15,890 --> 01:29:20,000
handle the traffic as Denton continues to grow.

1653
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:24,760
We ask you tonight to please amend your resolution to show

1654
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:30,000
a commitment of a new transmission line placement 15 feet

1655
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:36,060
or more to the east of the current location of the lines

1656
01:29:36,060 --> 01:29:38,000
rather than the three to five foot.

1657
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,800
I think that needs to be in black and white so that we feel

1658
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:45,000
comfortable as residents and taxpayers.

1659
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:49,869
I might add or remind that the council should know that ERC

1660
01:29:49,869 --> 01:29:54,130
OT does pay a percentage of required easements for

1661
01:29:54,130 --> 01:29:56,000
transmission lines.

1662
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,989
So the cost should be of minimal impact overall and does

1663
01:29:59,989 --> 01:30:04,000
affect the greater good of Denton's future growth.

1664
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,590
We appreciate your time and consideration of these issues

1665
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:10,000
and I hope I've answered questions.

1666
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:11,000
Thank you.

1667
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:12,000
Any, see no questions.

1668
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:13,000
Thank you.

1669
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:14,000
Thank you, John.

1670
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,000
We got a question.

1671
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,000
We got questions flying all over the place now.

1672
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,000
Councilmember Johnson.

1673
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,000
I couldn't get the screen to work.

1674
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:22,000
Thank you so much for the detail.

1675
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:23,000
I do need one point of clarification.

1676
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:27,569
Did you say you would prefer that it's 15 or 50 feet to the

1677
01:30:27,569 --> 01:30:30,000
east of the current location?

1678
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:31,000
15 minimum.

1679
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,859
But I think if you're going to consider there may be a two

1680
01:30:34,859 --> 01:30:38,840
lane additional road width in the future, then you would

1681
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:42,350
need to double that and say 30 feet, probably 25 to 30 feet

1682
01:30:42,350 --> 01:30:43,000
to the east.

1683
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:46,000
Where the current line is.

1684
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:47,000
Okay.

1685
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:48,000
Thank you.

1686
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,000
Okay.

1687
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:50,000
Councilmember Briggs.

1688
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:54,000
I just wanted to thank you for bringing it to my attention.

1689
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,039
When I was looking through the comments, I didn't

1690
01:30:57,039 --> 01:31:00,600
necessarily see that there were that many in support of the

1691
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:03,000
blue line that did not live in the area.

1692
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:06,270
And I think that is vital for us to think about because

1693
01:31:06,270 --> 01:31:09,760
when you go back to the chart of the graph, it strongly

1694
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,000
support and strongly disagree.

1695
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:16,439
If you take those out, it kind of changes the way that it

1696
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:17,000
is.

1697
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:20,649
And of those five and six people, three of those responders

1698
01:31:20,649 --> 01:31:22,000
are not residents.

1699
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:23,000
Right.

1700
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:24,000
That's important.

1701
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:25,000
Thank you for that.

1702
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:26,000
Thank you.

1703
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:27,000
Mayor Pro Tem.

1704
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,000
My question is more for staff.

1705
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:33,199
When all of the citizen comments are done, I've heard

1706
01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:37,789
people say something to the effect of the easement from the

1707
01:31:37,789 --> 01:31:40,000
center line of the road.

1708
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,590
And I just need for staff to be prepared to give some

1709
01:31:42,590 --> 01:31:44,000
clarification to that.

1710
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:47,989
I don't believe I've heard of requirements about center

1711
01:31:47,989 --> 01:31:51,000
line when we're talking about easement.

1712
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,000
So I'll just want to get some clarification.

1713
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:54,000
Okay.

1714
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:58,000
Councilmember Wasney.

1715
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:03,609
I'd like council to consider a postponement on this until

1716
01:32:03,609 --> 01:32:05,000
we do that.

1717
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:06,000
Well.

1718
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:12,000
Just to accommodate engineering to look at that 15 foot.

1719
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,859
That may be something we want to talk about after the

1720
01:32:14,859 --> 01:32:16,000
public hearing.

1721
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,000
I mean, because you're talking about making a motion.

1722
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:19,000
Okay.

1723
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,000
So after that, after the public hearing.

1724
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,819
We can take a look at that and then discuss with staff some

1725
01:32:23,819 --> 01:32:26,550
of the questions that we may have that might pertain to

1726
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:27,000
that.

1727
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:28,000
All right.

1728
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,000
That all the questions?

1729
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:31,000
Okay.

1730
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:32,000
All right.

1731
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:33,000
Thank you.

1732
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:34,000
Thank you for your time and consideration very much.

1733
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,000
All right.

1734
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,000
We've got a couple more.

1735
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:38,000
We've got another card.

1736
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:45,000
Mr. Willie Hutzpeth on agenda item 6B.

1737
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:46,000
Transmission lines.

1738
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,000
Name and address for the record please.

1739
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:49,000
Thank you.

1740
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:50,000
Willie Hutzpeth, 623 Newton.

1741
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,000
Would you put this up?

1742
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,000
This picture that's on the screen here.

1743
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,000
If you could pop the screen image back up.

1744
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:57,000
Thank you.

1745
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:58,000
Okay.

1746
01:32:58,000 --> 01:32:59,000
Question.

1747
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:02,000
How far does that, this yellow.

1748
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,000
What street is this right here?

1749
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:05,000
Can you see that?

1750
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,000
No, you can't.

1751
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:08,000
I guess you can't see that.

1752
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,000
I think it's north of Windsor.

1753
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:11,000
I'm not.

1754
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:12,000
Oh, yes.

1755
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:13,000
I see it now.

1756
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:14,000
Windsor.

1757
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:15,000
Okay.

1758
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:24,000
And the, I am not for the green.

1759
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:29,250
For obvious reasons, wherever the transmission line will

1760
01:33:29,250 --> 01:33:33,000
affect individual properties naturally,

1761
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:38,140
you wouldn't want them there because of the disruption and

1762
01:33:38,140 --> 01:33:40,000
property values.

1763
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:46,210
I own the piece right to the, that would be east of the

1764
01:33:46,210 --> 01:33:48,000
green line.

1765
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,000
That's my property.

1766
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:51,000
Right?

1767
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,000
East of the green line.

1768
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,000
And I would not be for that.

1769
01:33:56,000 --> 01:34:01,439
But it's just because it's my property and I want to move

1770
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:03,000
there or do something with it.

1771
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,720
And I don't want, I wouldn't want a transmission line there

1772
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:07,000
.

1773
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,470
Are these lines above ground or underground that they're

1774
01:34:10,470 --> 01:34:13,000
going to be replacing within the blue?

1775
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:14,000
It's above ground?

1776
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:15,000
I believe so.

1777
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,000
We'll make sure we clarify that with staff.

1778
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:18,000
All right.

1779
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:22,000
And there are lines already in the blue.

1780
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:26,000
They would just be upgrading those lines, right?

1781
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,000
Okay.

1782
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,000
Yeah, I would not be for the green or the orange.

1783
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:30,000
Thank you.

1784
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:31,000
All right.

1785
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:32,000
Thank you.

1786
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:33,000
Public hearing, anybody else wishing to speak?

1787
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:36,119
I have a blue card, but it was wishing to speak last, so I

1788
01:34:36,119 --> 01:34:40,449
want to call anybody else that has a desire to speak on

1789
01:34:40,449 --> 01:34:41,000
this agenda item.

1790
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:42,000
This is a public hearing.

1791
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,000
Whether or not you fill out a blue card.

1792
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,000
Oh, Councilmember Rodin.

1793
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:49,000
Oh, we've got one more.

1794
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,000
I just want to, anybody else wishing to speak?

1795
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:55,000
We've got one card left.

1796
01:34:55,000 --> 01:35:02,369
Mr. Philip Baker, if you'll come down and state your name

1797
01:35:02,369 --> 01:35:07,000
and address, your time will begin.

1798
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:12,000
Philip Baker, 400 West Oak Street, Suite 200 Denton, Texas.

1799
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:16,000
Good evening, Mayor, Council.

1800
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:19,000
I represent Razor Investments, the owner of the property,

1801
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:23,000
and it's more like 55 acres and not 45.

1802
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:26,000
And it adjoins your property, this North Lakes Park.

1803
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:31,000
We share a common boundary on the west side.

1804
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:34,489
DME approached me several years ago and asked my opinion on

1805
01:35:34,489 --> 01:35:38,579
this, and my first reaction was that it seems like those

1806
01:35:38,579 --> 01:35:41,000
poles need to go back right where they are.

1807
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:44,000
Tony Bray's a major corridor.

1808
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,430
That's where you would want to locate things like this

1809
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:51,000
infrastructure in the least invasive way possible.

1810
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:54,000
And my reaction was they ought to just go back there.

1811
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:57,300
But I did tell them that if there was some compelling

1812
01:35:57,300 --> 01:36:01,079
reason that the city or good engineering dictated another

1813
01:36:01,079 --> 01:36:04,000
direction, I'd be open to listening to it.

1814
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:07,520
And they came back to me and indicated that from all their

1815
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:11,239
analysis, those poles needed to go back where my reaction

1816
01:36:11,239 --> 01:36:14,000
was in the first, right where they are.

1817
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:19,689
So having said that, I'm not in favor of any of the other

1818
01:36:19,689 --> 01:36:21,000
options.

1819
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:25,050
I don't think they're good for us, and I don't think they

1820
01:36:25,050 --> 01:36:29,000
're good for the city of Denton in North Lakes Park.

1821
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:34,220
The easement on Bonnie Bray, and I think I'm right about

1822
01:36:34,220 --> 01:36:39,000
this, my understanding is it's going to be 75 feet wide

1823
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,000
because these poles are big.

1824
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,340
And that's the center. They would be on the center line of

1825
01:36:44,340 --> 01:36:45,000
75 feet.

1826
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:49,930
So for us, that's the least impact because part of Bonnie

1827
01:36:49,930 --> 01:36:54,000
Bray will share that 75 foot easement.

1828
01:36:54,000 --> 01:37:00,000
So the corridor will be not as negative for us.

1829
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:04,100
Now, if you want to go that yellow route, that is a big

1830
01:37:04,100 --> 01:37:05,000
impact.

1831
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:09,000
There is already adjacent to your west boundary line, our E

1832
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,000
inside our property line.

1833
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:15,930
There's a 30 foot water line easement that has a 40 inch

1834
01:37:15,930 --> 01:37:20,000
diameter water line in it that travels.

1835
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:23,359
It's in our property, but it's right adjacent to your

1836
01:37:23,359 --> 01:37:26,859
boundary line, and it cuts across the north end of North

1837
01:37:26,859 --> 01:37:29,000
Lakes to get somewhere north.

1838
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:31,279
So that's there. So this would have to, if you'd follow

1839
01:37:31,279 --> 01:37:34,000
that yellow route, this would have to be right beside it.

1840
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:37,560
So you're talking about now 100 feet wide width. It's going

1841
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:41,439
to impact that property, our property, and there's going to

1842
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:42,000
be a negative impact.

1843
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:46,479
And that's going to cost. That's going to carry a cost with

1844
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:47,000
it.

1845
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:50,229
And then if you want to go north and split the property at

1846
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:54,000
the north end in two pieces, you're adding dollars.

1847
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:57,220
I mean, I don't want to get in a fight with you, but this

1848
01:37:57,220 --> 01:38:00,239
is just not good land management to cut that into two

1849
01:38:00,239 --> 01:38:01,000
pieces.

1850
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:04,829
And it's not, it is an investment property. It's not just

1851
01:38:04,829 --> 01:38:08,000
an investment. It's held for investment.

1852
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:12,399
We don't have any plans, but nonetheless, that doesn't mean

1853
01:38:12,399 --> 01:38:16,199
you want to wreck it in the meantime, as anybody would

1854
01:38:16,199 --> 01:38:17,000
guess.

1855
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:23,560
So, and then I think the one big factor is you've cut that

1856
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:27,319
whole cloth in two pieces and North Lake Park is negatively

1857
01:38:27,319 --> 01:38:28,000
impacted.

1858
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:31,989
I don't know what the future holds for that part, but there

1859
01:38:31,989 --> 01:38:35,989
's some of that land, maybe one day might look practical as

1860
01:38:35,989 --> 01:38:37,000
part of the park.

1861
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:40,710
I don't think you're going to want electrical lines cutting

1862
01:38:40,710 --> 01:38:45,409
it in two pieces. It's not practical and it's not good long

1863
01:38:45,409 --> 01:38:47,000
term thinking.

1864
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:51,060
I think the obvious answer here is to put it up the blue

1865
01:38:51,060 --> 01:38:53,000
route or DME wants it.

1866
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:57,899
I think it's the proper place as a landowner. And yeah, I

1867
01:38:57,899 --> 01:39:01,449
mean, nobody wants this, but gee whiz, we all need

1868
01:39:01,449 --> 01:39:06,000
electricity and this is part of what we need to function.

1869
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:12,600
So I think that's the best route guys. And if you have any

1870
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:14,000
questions, I'll answer them.

1871
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:18,260
I mean, I told DME I wouldn't fight them on that yellow

1872
01:39:18,260 --> 01:39:23,000
route, but you know, I didn't think they liked the numbers

1873
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:25,819
because they're going to, it's going to be millions added

1874
01:39:25,819 --> 01:39:29,000
to it to cut that property up and damage it that way.

1875
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:32,810
So I don't think it makes sense for the rate payers or the

1876
01:39:32,810 --> 01:39:34,000
city to do it.

1877
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:39,409
So any questions for the speaker? I see none. Thank you

1878
01:39:39,409 --> 01:39:43,000
very much. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you.

1879
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,539
This is I believe that was if we didn't have anybody else

1880
01:39:45,539 --> 01:39:50,840
wishing to speak at least. So I will now close the public

1881
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:53,000
hearing.

1882
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:59,000
Councilmember Wasney.

1883
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:04,029
So it sounds like blue line, but what I would ask the

1884
01:40:04,029 --> 01:40:09,000
council to consider would be to postpone this.

1885
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:16,689
So engineering could study a 15 foot movement of this

1886
01:40:16,689 --> 01:40:24,550
transmission line to accommodate the families that are in

1887
01:40:24,550 --> 01:40:29,000
the audience who came up to speak.

1888
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:33,520
If we're going to say blue line, I think it's a really good

1889
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:37,779
compromise to say let's accommodate and create just a

1890
01:40:37,779 --> 01:40:43,000
little bit more distance for these people and add 15 feet.

1891
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:48,680
But to do a motion tonight without engineering weighing in

1892
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:53,760
on it. So I would indulge council and indulge DME to

1893
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:59,229
consider that study and then bring it back to council with

1894
01:40:59,229 --> 01:41:06,359
a report on that 15 feet moving the blue line to the east

1895
01:41:06,359 --> 01:41:09,000
15 feet.

1896
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:13,699
Okay. Councilmember Wasney, is that a of course we've got

1897
01:41:13,699 --> 01:41:15,789
some questions, some people wishing to speak that may

1898
01:41:15,789 --> 01:41:18,670
address some of these questions that we've had about center

1899
01:41:18,670 --> 01:41:22,000
line and easements and those kind of things, I'm assuming.

1900
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:26,140
But you didn't state it this way. But were you was that a

1901
01:41:26,140 --> 01:41:30,680
motion or was that simply a request? So I just want to give

1902
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:32,000
you the opportunity to clarify that.

1903
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:35,000
It's a request of council to consider this.

1904
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:41,100
Okay. All right. Okay. We'll, we'll take that into

1905
01:41:41,100 --> 01:41:44,430
consideration. Not being a motion then we don't really vote

1906
01:41:44,430 --> 01:41:47,000
on it. Okay. Councilmember Rodin.

1907
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:50,340
Thank you, Mayor. I do have some questions to address some

1908
01:41:50,340 --> 01:41:53,680
of these questions that have been raised. So I guess for

1909
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:56,000
whoever in staff who can best address it.

1910
01:41:56,000 --> 01:42:00,409
There's this question about this supposed regulation that

1911
01:42:00,409 --> 01:42:05,340
would keep a transmission line pole 60 to 75 feet. I think

1912
01:42:05,340 --> 01:42:08,659
I heard a couple different distances between that pole and

1913
01:42:08,659 --> 01:42:11,000
the center line of a street.

1914
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:13,000
Can you speak to that regulation?

1915
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:16,430
Well, that was probably why I looked a little bit confused

1916
01:42:16,430 --> 01:42:20,000
because I'm not aware of that ordinance that way. Now, the

1917
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:23,510
number 60 is used and we do have in the development code a

1918
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:26,819
60 foot transmission line easement which is what we used

1919
01:42:26,819 --> 01:42:28,000
for 69 kV.

1920
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,760
And the poles are typically placed in the center of that

1921
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:33,699
easement and it's defined actually within the document is

1922
01:42:33,699 --> 01:42:36,600
30 foot either side of the center line. So if it's a two

1923
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:39,000
pole structure, it'd be the middle of the two poles.

1924
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:42,340
Now for 138 kV and everything we're doing moving forward,

1925
01:42:42,340 --> 01:42:45,859
it's 75 foot which is 37 and a half foot. An additional

1926
01:42:45,859 --> 01:42:49,000
seven and a half foot either side of the center line.

1927
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:50,649
Now that's the center line of the pole. That is not the

1928
01:42:50,649 --> 01:42:53,760
center line of the street. And I have never heard that

1929
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:55,000
until tonight.

1930
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:58,579
Right. So that's kind of what I figured because it seems

1931
01:42:58,579 --> 01:43:01,550
like we tend to put these things right up next to streets

1932
01:43:01,550 --> 01:43:04,920
in those cases because of it seems to be a better land use

1933
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:08,000
determination we've got next to right away like that anyway

1934
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:08,000
.

1935
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:12,359
Versus pushing it into a property. So okay, that helps. And

1936
01:43:12,359 --> 01:43:16,840
so currently, what do we have there? Do you have any

1937
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:20,000
pictures of what what the lines actually look like?

1938
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:33,000
I do.

1939
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:38,000
I'll just zip through these.

1940
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:40,779
This is a picture of the line when it's laying horizontally

1941
01:43:40,779 --> 01:43:44,899
. Typically it's vertical. This was some straight line winds

1942
01:43:44,899 --> 01:43:47,659
that blew over the this is exactly the same line that we're

1943
01:43:47,659 --> 01:43:49,000
talking about here tonight.

1944
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:53,590
Back in May of 2003, we had a microburst a straight line

1945
01:43:53,590 --> 01:43:56,619
wind and it caused these wooden poles that were along

1946
01:43:56,619 --> 01:44:00,279
Bonnie Bray to fall over eastward or eastward into the park

1947
01:44:00,279 --> 01:44:02,000
on the east side of Bonnie Bray.

1948
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:05,680
And what's actually rather ironic and very, very fortunate

1949
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:09,149
is the house that you see in this picture, the White House

1950
01:44:09,149 --> 01:44:12,539
in the center of the picture is the Collinsworth House,

1951
01:44:12,539 --> 01:44:16,000
which is at the corner of Riney Road and Bonnie Bray.

1952
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,880
This is the house that says that they will be squeezed in

1953
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:21,880
by the widening of Bonnie Bray and Riney Road and that they

1954
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:25,039
are willing to transact with VME for this transmission line

1955
01:44:25,039 --> 01:44:26,000
easement.

1956
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:29,239
As you can tell, the poles are still standing vertical

1957
01:44:29,239 --> 01:44:32,600
about two to three poles south of the house. So they were

1958
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:35,600
very, very fortunate and spared and we were very lucky that

1959
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,000
the wind hit where it did.

1960
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:40,010
But I do have some other pictures where they're standing up

1961
01:44:40,010 --> 01:44:42,699
more vertical. After this line fell down, we did have to

1962
01:44:42,699 --> 01:44:44,899
get it back up so we could supply electric power to the

1963
01:44:44,899 --> 01:44:46,000
customers in Denton.

1964
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,989
Here's a picture of what was involved with putting the new

1965
01:44:49,989 --> 01:44:52,000
poles back along Bonnie Bray.

1966
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,899
And to show you the type of structure that will be put in

1967
01:44:54,899 --> 01:44:57,659
in place, we have been building some transmission

1968
01:44:57,659 --> 01:45:00,000
infrastructure here in town recently.

1969
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,539
And one of the new poles that we put up on Paisley Road is

1970
01:45:02,539 --> 01:45:06,210
this picture right here. This is what we're proposing to

1971
01:45:06,210 --> 01:45:10,510
put in the existing line location, the blue route, actually

1972
01:45:10,510 --> 01:45:13,399
a little bit further away from the houses eastward, three

1973
01:45:13,399 --> 01:45:16,000
to five feet from where the existing wood poles are at.

1974
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:19,670
Personally, my opinion is it's a little cleaner looking

1975
01:45:19,670 --> 01:45:23,649
structure, definitely a lot more structural integrity to it

1976
01:45:23,649 --> 01:45:27,010
. We'll withstand those winds and it gives us a lot more

1977
01:45:27,010 --> 01:45:30,239
capability to support the aging growth and system growth

1978
01:45:30,239 --> 01:45:33,000
and aging infrastructure here in Denton.

1979
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:36,510
Will you be keeping up any of the wood poles? I noticed on

1980
01:45:36,510 --> 01:45:38,920
one of your, one of the pictures there, the first one where

1981
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:40,899
they're falling over, you had kind of the smaller

1982
01:45:40,899 --> 01:45:42,970
distribution pole and then you had kind of the larger

1983
01:45:42,970 --> 01:45:44,000
transmission one.

1984
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:47,989
Will anything of the wood be remaining once you put in

1985
01:45:47,989 --> 01:45:51,000
these new and improved middle lines?

1986
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:54,149
There will not. Actually this wood pole, the distribution,

1987
01:45:54,149 --> 01:45:56,960
this is the transmission pole that's actually been broken,

1988
01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,579
part of it's on the ground, part of it's still in the air,

1989
01:45:59,579 --> 01:46:01,000
so it's been splintered.

1990
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:02,000
Gotcha.

1991
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:04,760
And so there will not be any wood poles along Bonnie Bray

1992
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:07,000
in this area with the new steel pole line.

1993
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:08,000
Thanks.

1994
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,000
Mayor Pro Tem.

1995
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:13,000
Could you go to that center picture, the middle picture?

1996
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:18,000
So right now I'm trying to do some calculations.

1997
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:24,100
That sidewalk is about four feet wide and it's about three

1998
01:46:24,100 --> 01:46:26,000
feet from the curb.

1999
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:30,479
And so right now those poles are probably 12, 15 feet back

2000
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:34,399
from the curb and you're talking about going five feet more

2001
01:46:34,399 --> 01:46:38,000
back from the curb just for the current proposal.

2002
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:39,000
Is that correct?

2003
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:44,939
I actually do have a survey drawn that we have one of our

2004
01:46:44,939 --> 01:46:50,750
other consultants work up and if I may I'd like to show

2005
01:46:50,750 --> 01:46:53,000
that to you here.

2006
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:56,380
This is at Bonnie Bray and over in this area is the road

2007
01:46:56,380 --> 01:46:59,000
that goes into the North Lakes Park.

2008
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:02,729
Ms. Poole's house is across the street kind of in this area

2009
01:47:02,729 --> 01:47:03,000
.

2010
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:06,000
There is not a pole directly in front of her house.

2011
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:09,090
The pole is south of the road and there's another pole

2012
01:47:09,090 --> 01:47:12,000
further north here as shown at that location.

2013
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:15,000
These would be the poles that are presently there.

2014
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:19,210
The 42 and a half feet, which would be the new easement

2015
01:47:19,210 --> 01:47:23,369
that we would be requesting from the property owner, would

2016
01:47:23,369 --> 01:47:26,930
allow us to get the 75 foot width here with the poles in

2017
01:47:26,930 --> 01:47:30,000
the center of that 75 foot.

2018
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:33,810
The center line of the street has nothing to do with that

2019
01:47:33,810 --> 01:47:35,000
75 foot.

2020
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:39,479
It's so it does show the 32 and a half 32.3 feet from the

2021
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:42,000
curb to the existing pole locations.

2022
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:43,000
Okay, Councilmember Hawkins.

2023
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:46,359
Yeah, and going along Bonnie Bray how far apart are the

2024
01:47:46,359 --> 01:47:47,000
poles.

2025
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:50,699
They're typically around 300 feet spacing, they can vary

2026
01:47:50,699 --> 01:47:54,670
from 250 to 350 depending on streets structures that you

2027
01:47:54,670 --> 01:47:57,000
need to have you can't really adjust.

2028
01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:00,000
But you know, typically 300 feet.

2029
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:04,000
How about those wood poles that are there right now.

2030
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:07,000
They're probably a little bit closer than that.

2031
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:09,000
Okay, just a little bit.

2032
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:10,000
Yeah, not not much.

2033
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:13,000
So it's going to be the same number of poles, ultimately.

2034
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:14,000
Essentially the same.

2035
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:15,000
Okay.

2036
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:16,000
Councilmember Briggs.

2037
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,000
That was my same question.

2038
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,779
I was curious about the number going in as far as the

2039
01:48:20,779 --> 01:48:22,000
number going out.

2040
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:24,000
It's about equal.

2041
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:24,000
Right.

2042
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:26,819
We have the preliminary designs on this, but we wanted to

2043
01:48:26,819 --> 01:48:29,789
get a route selection decision and then we will finalize

2044
01:48:29,789 --> 01:48:33,000
the designs and it's possible we could save a few poles.

2045
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:36,000
Councilmember Wasney.

2046
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:43,250
So to confirm, we're looking at five to seven feet past

2047
01:48:43,250 --> 01:48:45,000
where the poles are currently.

2048
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:46,000
Is that right?

2049
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:48,000
I would say between three to five feet.

2050
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,000
Three to five.

2051
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:54,350
That's why the 42 and a half feet allows you a five foot

2052
01:48:54,350 --> 01:48:58,550
room to put the new pole in and still have 37 and a half

2053
01:48:58,550 --> 01:49:00,000
feet past that.

2054
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:07,279
I think maybe some of the discussion of the center line of

2055
01:49:07,279 --> 01:49:12,210
the road gets sort of not confused, but when you talk of

2056
01:49:12,210 --> 01:49:15,449
right of way on a road, you measure from the center line of

2057
01:49:15,449 --> 01:49:17,000
the road out when you're measuring.

2058
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:20,000
It's my understanding for right of way.

2059
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,590
So I can understand how that could be sometimes interchange

2060
01:49:22,590 --> 01:49:23,000
able.

2061
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:25,720
Whereas with the easement for a transmission line you

2062
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:28,550
measure from the center line of the easement is where you

2063
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:31,000
want to place your, your infrastructure.

2064
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:32,000
That is correct.

2065
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:33,000
Okay.

2066
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:36,000
Councilmember Johnson.

2067
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:37,000
Thank you, Mayor.

2068
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:41,819
Well, I appreciate all the discussion, but I'm going to

2069
01:49:41,819 --> 01:49:44,000
make a motion to approve.

2070
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,000
I don't think it makes sense to delay it.

2071
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:50,779
And to me, I think Mr. Baker made the most sense, which is

2072
01:49:50,779 --> 01:49:53,000
you already have poles.

2073
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:56,750
So we're putting poles, new and improved poles right back

2074
01:49:56,750 --> 01:49:59,000
where existing old poles were.

2075
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:01,000
They're safer.

2076
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:05,130
I mean, obviously, no matter when you put power lines in,

2077
01:50:05,130 --> 01:50:09,020
you're going to upset somebody, but just from a, from a

2078
01:50:09,020 --> 01:50:13,180
land use standpoint and from from an economic standpoint to

2079
01:50:13,180 --> 01:50:16,000
me, you already have poles there.

2080
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:19,670
So to me, that's the that's the logical place to put them,

2081
01:50:19,670 --> 01:50:23,000
rather than creating a whole new line to the east.

2082
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:28,000
So I'm going to move approval of item 6B.

2083
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:33,319
All right, Councilmember Roden and then Councilmember Haw

2084
01:50:33,319 --> 01:50:35,000
kins will come to you.

2085
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,199
Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to second that, but just a

2086
01:50:37,199 --> 01:50:38,000
quick comment.

2087
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,010
You know, a lot of times when we're looking at these

2088
01:50:40,010 --> 01:50:42,529
transmission lines, we're looking at kind of trying to

2089
01:50:42,529 --> 01:50:44,880
forge brand new paths where there otherwise weren't

2090
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:48,000
transmission lines or nothing altogether.

2091
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,000
And that is a much more difficult discussion.

2092
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:53,000
In this case, we have existing transmission lines.

2093
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:56,189
And to me, on a street like Bonnie Bray, this is on the

2094
01:50:56,189 --> 01:50:59,569
opposite side of the street from the homeowners that are

2095
01:50:59,569 --> 01:51:02,000
that are going to be impacted by it.

2096
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,859
It seems like it's the best option instead of charting a

2097
01:51:04,859 --> 01:51:06,000
new path for this.

2098
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:08,000
So I'm going to second this motion.

2099
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:09,000
All right, Councilmember Hawkins.

2100
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:11,000
Just one more technical question.

2101
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:12,000
I'm sorry.

2102
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:14,880
The actual lines themselves, are they going to be higher

2103
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:17,000
off the ground than with the wood poles?

2104
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:18,000
Yes, sir, they will be.

2105
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:19,000
How much higher?

2106
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:22,119
Probably 10 feet or so, I'm going to be determined in the

2107
01:51:22,119 --> 01:51:25,000
final design, but they will be a little taller poles.

2108
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:28,010
And as you saw in the picture, I mean, it's a lot better

2109
01:51:28,010 --> 01:51:31,000
ground clearance than what we have had in the past.

2110
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:32,000
Okay.

2111
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:35,000
So I think it's a little less visible up higher.

2112
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:37,000
One real quick question.

2113
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:41,380
So there's no ancillary infrastructure attachment or pole

2114
01:51:41,380 --> 01:51:46,000
attachments to our current poles like cable, telephone.

2115
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:49,000
There's no other pole attachments that if, you know,

2116
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:52,000
because I know we've had issues with them not removing

2117
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:53,000
those pole attachments.

2118
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,680
So we've had to cut like on Bonnie Bray in front of between

2119
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:58,699
35 and scripture, the new metal poles are in and then the

2120
01:51:58,699 --> 01:52:00,930
wood poles are there cut off at the top that still hold

2121
01:52:00,930 --> 01:52:02,000
those pole attachments.

2122
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:03,000
Is that not going to be the case here?

2123
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,500
These wood poles there, any infrastructure, other

2124
01:52:05,500 --> 01:52:08,210
communication companies will be relocated to the new pole

2125
01:52:08,210 --> 01:52:11,000
because they're so close to where the other poles were.

2126
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:12,000
Good.

2127
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:13,000
All right.

2128
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:14,000
Fantastic.

2129
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:16,000
So that will be done by whom?

2130
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:19,000
That'll be done by our transmission contractor Chapman.

2131
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:20,000
Okay.

2132
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:21,710
So it's not like we're waiting on the telecommunication,

2133
01:52:21,710 --> 01:52:23,000
the communication companies to do it.

2134
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:24,000
It will be done.

2135
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:26,489
Only if there is a riser that goes down it or something, we

2136
01:52:26,489 --> 01:52:29,119
will have to coordinate that with either Verizon or charter

2137
01:52:29,119 --> 01:52:31,000
if there's risers going down a pole.

2138
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:32,000
Okay.

2139
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:33,000
Good.

2140
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:34,000
Thank you.

2141
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:35,000
All right.

2142
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:37,319
So we have a motion and a second for approval on agenda

2143
01:52:37,319 --> 01:52:38,000
item 6B.

2144
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:51,000
Let's vote on the board, please.

2145
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:54,000
Motion carries 5-2.

2146
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:56,750
We'll go on to agenda item 6C, which is hold a public

2147
01:52:56,750 --> 01:53:00,279
hearing and receive citizen input on FY215-16 proposed

2148
01:53:00,279 --> 01:53:01,000
budget.

2149
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:04,720
I will now open the public hearing to accommodate staff

2150
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:06,000
presentation.

2151
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:08,000
Thank you, Mayor.

2152
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:10,350
I'm going to ask Mr. Chuck Springer, our director of

2153
01:53:10,350 --> 01:53:13,000
finance, if he will present the budget public hearing.

2154
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:18,000
Thank you, Chuck.

2155
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:21,000
Thank you, Mayor, members of the council.

2156
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:25,029
This is a requirement of the city charter and under state

2157
01:53:25,029 --> 01:53:29,000
law to hold a public hearing on the proposed budget.

2158
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:34,130
Just to give a brief summary of the proposed budget in

2159
01:53:34,130 --> 01:53:40,010
terms of proposed dollars, the operating budget is proposed

2160
01:53:40,010 --> 01:53:44,000
expenditures of 557.7 million,

2161
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:49,000
5.3 million of grants and the capital improvement program,

2162
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:58,000
402.3 million for a total proposed budget of 965 million.

2163
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:01,989
With that, I'll answer any questions the council may have

2164
01:54:01,989 --> 01:54:05,000
over the budget and open up the public hearing.

2165
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:07,000
Oh, did I forget to?

2166
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:16,000
Okay.

2167
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:20,409
All right. Any questions for staff before we open it up for

2168
01:54:20,409 --> 01:54:22,000
public speakers?

2169
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,000
Seeing none.

2170
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:29,000
We have a card. Mr. Woody Husband, if you'd like to come.

2171
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:32,000
Okay. All right. Thank you.

2172
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:35,649
Any other people wishing to speak on the budget on this

2173
01:54:35,649 --> 01:54:37,000
public hearing?

2174
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:40,000
Anybody wishing to speak?

2175
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:43,000
Do we close?

2176
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:45,000
We close it? I mean, this is just a regular public hearing?

2177
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:47,000
Okay.

2178
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:48,000
Okay.

2179
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:49,000
Last time.

2180
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:52,000
Seeing none, we will now close the public hearing.

2181
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:57,000
And we don't take any action on this.

2182
01:54:57,000 --> 01:55:03,000
We will take action on this agenda item on the 15th.

2183
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:06,000
So, Madam City Attorney, how do I go back and put these --

2184
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:09,630
do I just go ahead and call that public -- it's been closed

2185
01:55:09,630 --> 01:55:10,000
.

2186
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:12,000
The public hearing has been closed.

2187
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:15,000
What do I need to do to get these cards in the record?

2188
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:17,000
This was on the --

2189
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:18,000
6B.

2190
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,000
6B. And these individuals did not desire to speak?

2191
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:24,800
I think at this point in time, just reference the agenda

2192
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:28,390
item, point out the speakers, and put those back into the

2193
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:29,000
record.

2194
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:30,000
All right. Thank you.

2195
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:33,430
We did have some cards wishing not to speak on agenda item

2196
01:55:33,430 --> 01:55:34,000
6B.

2197
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:40,750
First name is Elizabeth Puez, is in support of the blue

2198
01:55:40,750 --> 01:55:42,000
route.

2199
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:46,000
Claudio Ruiz is in support of the blue route.

2200
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:55,000
And Deborah Collinsworth was in support of -- yes.

2201
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:57,939
And if the blue line runs where it's supposed to run, which

2202
01:55:57,939 --> 01:56:00,000
I will be willing to negotiate to sell.

2203
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:07,000
And Ruiz is at 3309 Hardaway Road and 3301 Hardaway Road.

2204
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:10,810
So I apologize for that -- for missing those on that

2205
01:56:10,810 --> 01:56:13,000
particular agenda item.

2206
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:15,680
And, Mayor, I would just note for the record that this is

2207
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:18,000
not a statutorily required public hearing.

2208
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:21,039
This was a courtesy public hearing that the city has been

2209
01:56:21,039 --> 01:56:23,560
conducting as a result of the locating of these

2210
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:25,000
transmission lines.

2211
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:28,000
So just putting that particular point into the record.

2212
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:29,000
So noted.

2213
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:31,000
Thank you very much.

2214
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:32,000
Okay.

2215
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:33,000
Thank you.

2216
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:36,000
Agenda item 6C -- oh, we did 6C.

2217
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:40,829
Item 6D is hold a second public hearing on a proposal to

2218
01:56:40,829 --> 01:56:46,000
adopt a tax rate of 0.696380 per $100 valuation,

2219
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:49,439
which will exceed the lower effective rate or rollback tax

2220
01:56:49,439 --> 01:56:50,000
rate.

2221
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:52,000
We will now open the public hearing.

2222
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:53,000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2223
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:55,409
And I'm going to again ask Mr. Chuck Springer, our Director

2224
01:56:55,409 --> 01:56:58,000
of Finance, if he will present this public hearing.

2225
01:56:58,000 --> 01:56:59,000
Thank you.

2226
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:00,000
Thank you, Mayor and members of council.

2227
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:04,000
This is the second public hearing on the tax rate.

2228
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:08,390
And just to point out, the published tax rate proposed, 0.6

2229
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:13,659
9638, was the maximum tax rate the city council can consider

2230
01:57:13,659 --> 01:57:14,000
.

2231
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:18,000
This will be considered on September 15th.

2232
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,699
So they can consider a lower rate, which is the proposed

2233
01:57:20,699 --> 01:57:24,000
rate now of the council, a lower rate below that.

2234
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:31,250
The effective tax rate, 0.656271, and the rollback tax rate

2235
01:57:31,250 --> 01:57:36,579
, 0.72155, were required by state law to hold the public

2236
01:57:36,579 --> 01:57:39,000
hearing and to calculate those tax rates.

2237
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:42,989
And I think at the last public hearing, the mayor had asked

2238
01:57:42,989 --> 01:57:47,329
the effective tax rate is really a calculation designed to

2239
01:57:47,329 --> 01:57:51,359
draw in the same amount of dollars as the prior year from

2240
01:57:51,359 --> 01:57:53,000
the same property.

2241
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:56,000
It excludes new property within the city.

2242
01:57:56,000 --> 01:58:02,000
With that, I'll answer any questions the council may have.

2243
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:03,000
Any questions for council?

2244
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:06,000
I mean, for staff, I have one.

2245
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:10,060
And just want to make sure I'm clear on this, that the 0.69

2246
01:58:10,060 --> 01:58:12,000
and some odd is the maximum.

2247
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:14,869
But as been pointed out in our work sessions, that we've

2248
01:58:14,869 --> 01:58:17,640
been looking at a tax rate lower than that as far as just

2249
01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:20,000
in the preliminary budget discussions.

2250
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:23,000
So at the September 15th meeting when we're voting on

2251
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:26,609
whatever the proposed tax rate is, that's where if council

2252
01:58:26,609 --> 01:58:30,149
decides to adopt that lower rate, that's when that would be

2253
01:58:30,149 --> 01:58:31,000
brought forth.

2254
01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:32,000
Is that correct?

2255
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:33,000
That's correct.

2256
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:34,000
On the 15th.

2257
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:35,000
Okay.

2258
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:36,000
This is a public hearing.

2259
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:38,000
Mr. Johnson, you want to?

2260
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:41,000
I was going to see if we could get Brian Langley down,

2261
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:43,319
since he stayed this whole time, to give us maybe a history

2262
01:58:43,319 --> 01:58:45,000
of the tax rate in the city of Denton.

2263
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:48,000
I tell you what, we'll let you do that.

2264
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:50,000
I'll do that.

2265
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:51,000
We do have a card.

2266
01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:53,000
Mr. Willie Husspeth, you wish to speak on this item?

2267
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:54,000
All right.

2268
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:56,000
Thank you very much.

2269
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:59,000
Anybody else wishing to speak?

2270
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:01,000
Staff, media, anybody?

2271
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:03,000
Reporters.

2272
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:04,000
All right.

2273
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:05,000
This is a public hearing.

2274
01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:07,000
I will call it one more time.

2275
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:08,000
Anybody else wishing to speak?

2276
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:11,430
Come on down and give us your thoughts on the proposed tax

2277
01:59:11,430 --> 01:59:12,000
rate.

2278
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:13,000
Seeing none.

2279
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:15,000
And I do close this one.

2280
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:18,399
I will close this public hearing, and we will take action

2281
01:59:18,399 --> 01:59:21,000
on this item on September the 15th.

2282
01:59:21,000 --> 01:59:23,119
We're now to our agenda item number seven, which is

2283
01:59:23,119 --> 01:59:25,000
presentation from members of the public.

2284
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:27,979
We have one we can dispense with the review of procedures

2285
01:59:27,979 --> 01:59:30,000
for addressing the city council.

2286
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:32,000
And it's Mr. Willie Husspeth regarding City Hall.

2287
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:34,079
If you'll come and state your name and address for the

2288
01:59:34,079 --> 01:59:35,000
record, please.

2289
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:38,000
Your time will begin.

2290
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:39,000
My name is Willie Husspeth.

2291
01:59:39,000 --> 01:59:41,000
I live in 623 Newton.

2292
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:45,529
I want to speak to the fact that you make me and citizens

2293
01:59:45,529 --> 01:59:49,000
stay to the end of the -- or require them to stay to the

2294
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:53,000
end of the meetings.

2295
01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:57,430
At the forums, I remember what you say when we -- at the NA

2296
01:59:57,430 --> 01:59:59,000
ACP LULAC forum.

2297
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:03,000
You talk as though you're for the citizens.

2298
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:05,000
This is not for the citizens.

2299
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:07,000
This is not good.

2300
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:10,000
But you do whatever you want to do.

2301
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:13,189
What I'm going to do now, since I'm here, I'm going to look

2302
02:00:13,189 --> 02:00:16,000
at every one of these items that you talk about.

2303
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:18,000
And so it turns out it's good.

2304
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:19,000
I'm being educated.

2305
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:21,159
And then I will -- they come up, I'm going to fill out

2306
02:00:21,159 --> 02:00:23,500
every one of those cards, and I'm going to do what I need

2307
02:00:23,500 --> 02:00:24,000
to do.

2308
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:28,229
I don't want to move up early unless you do away with it so

2309
02:00:28,229 --> 02:00:32,010
no one has to stay here unless they choose to stay here at

2310
02:00:32,010 --> 02:00:33,000
the end of these meetings.

2311
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:37,350
Can you imagine what this would be like for a single parent

2312
02:00:37,350 --> 02:00:41,000
to come up here and stay to the whole meeting?

2313
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:44,000
Now, you do it, but you chose to do it.

2314
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:46,000
And you're here for the people.

2315
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:48,000
You say that.

2316
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:51,300
But I don't understand this rule, where you make people

2317
02:00:51,300 --> 02:00:54,000
stay here the whole time to have a comment.

2318
02:00:54,000 --> 02:01:00,000
With that said, let me take a breath.

2319
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:08,229
Councilman Gregory and City Manager Campbell were the two

2320
02:01:08,229 --> 02:01:15,000
people that addressed what I said at the last meeting.

2321
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:20,380
My representative doesn't address very much at all what I'm

2322
02:01:20,380 --> 02:01:22,000
dealing with.

2323
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:26,000
And that's another subject altogether.

2324
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:32,000
But I appreciate you, Mr. Gregory and Mr. Campbell.

2325
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:34,000
I have to compromise.

2326
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:38,050
And I compromised on what's happening at my property

2327
02:01:38,050 --> 02:01:43,520
because these two gentlemen came out and they didn't change

2328
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:45,000
anything.

2329
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:50,250
They didn't go over the code enforcement community

2330
02:01:50,250 --> 02:01:53,000
improvement decision.

2331
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:54,000
Not one.

2332
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:57,000
Neither one of them said they would and they didn't.

2333
02:01:57,000 --> 02:02:02,710
They just talked to me like I'm a citizen and that I vote

2334
02:02:02,710 --> 02:02:05,000
and that I matter.

2335
02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:08,000
I would suggest the rest of you start doing that.

2336
02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:11,000
That I matter and I have a vote.

2337
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:15,000
They didn't even look at it as far as if I had a vote.

2338
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:17,000
That wasn't even their concern.

2339
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:21,460
They really communicated to me that they were concerned

2340
02:02:21,460 --> 02:02:25,000
about what I thought and what was going on.

2341
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:28,000
They just wanted to know from my perspective.

2342
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:31,000
Mr. Gregory came out to my location.

2343
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:34,550
Mr. Campbell had me come to the office and he said some

2344
02:02:34,550 --> 02:02:37,000
things that really impressed me.

2345
02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:39,000
I went ahead and made the changes.

2346
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:41,000
I still don't agree with them.

2347
02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:47,140
But when he said, Mr. Gregory as well, compromise is how I

2348
02:02:47,140 --> 02:02:49,000
get my job done.

2349
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:52,000
You just have to give a little and take a little.

2350
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:55,289
And so I put the rule -- you don't know what this is all

2351
02:02:55,289 --> 02:02:56,000
about.

2352
02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:58,970
But there was something I had outside that was going -- it

2353
02:02:58,970 --> 02:03:02,000
is construction material and I'm allowed to have it.

2354
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:06,000
But the code enforcing person said no, it isn't.

2355
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:07,000
But it is.

2356
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:08,000
And I could fight that.

2357
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:12,000
I wanted to go to court and fight it.

2358
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:17,000
But both of these men said to what end?

2359
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:18,850
And I told them just because I want to do it, I don't like

2360
02:03:18,850 --> 02:03:20,000
anybody pushing me around.

2361
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:21,000
And I don't.

2362
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:24,000
The rest of you should learn from these gentlemen.

2363
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:26,000
Don't push citizens around.

2364
02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:30,239
And with that said, I will be at the next meeting and then

2365
02:03:30,239 --> 02:03:35,000
continue how the city attorneys did me.

2366
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:38,699
We'll start over there and I'm going to just hammer it out

2367
02:03:38,699 --> 02:03:42,000
unless another code enforcement situation comes up.

2368
02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:50,000
Thank you for the time.

2369
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:54,270
>> We will now -- I believe that concludes our agenda

2370
02:03:54,270 --> 02:03:57,000
except for concluding items.

2371
02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:59,000
Mayor Pro Tem.

2372
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:00,000
>> Thank you, Mayor.

2373
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:02,000
A couple of things.

2374
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:05,880
I would ask staff, I suppose through the parks and rec

2375
02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:12,850
department, to provide a report in the next few weeks on

2376
02:04:12,850 --> 02:04:16,000
skate parks.

2377
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:19,000
Kind of an update on the parks that we have.

2378
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:24,000
The possible cost for construction of a second park.

2379
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:30,140
The possible locations on current city owned property where

2380
02:04:30,140 --> 02:04:32,000
one might work.

2381
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:36,479
Also looking at the potential for either a joint or a

2382
02:04:36,479 --> 02:04:40,000
separate facility for BMX bicycles.

2383
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:42,000
So that's one item.

2384
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:49,750
And the other item is I would ask -- and I don't know if

2385
02:04:49,750 --> 02:04:53,000
this comes in the form of --

2386
02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:56,390
I'm stuck on how to do this, whether we need a work session

2387
02:04:56,390 --> 02:05:01,000
or maybe the possibility of the mayor appointing a

2388
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:06,000
temporary committee to -- of council members to work on the

2389
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:09,000
exposition street event space.

2390
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:11,000
Regarding a couple of different issues.

2391
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:15,000
It looks like it's in the budget.

2392
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:18,739
Because we talked about some agreement issues that we may

2393
02:05:18,739 --> 02:05:22,380
want to go over with the Denton community market on their

2394
02:05:22,380 --> 02:05:23,000
use.

2395
02:05:23,000 --> 02:05:26,859
Some stipulations as we go ahead with that on small

2396
02:05:26,859 --> 02:05:31,640
business development and issues about local food production

2397
02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:32,000
.

2398
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,000
Make sure that we understand their facility needs.

2399
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:36,000
There may be some other things.

2400
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:40,380
But also the possibility of talking to other potential

2401
02:05:40,380 --> 02:05:45,520
users and other stakeholders, i.e. property owners in the

2402
02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:49,000
area as we talk about how we look at that.

2403
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:52,000
There probably are some other issues involved in that also.

2404
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:55,000
So I don't know the best way to move forward with that.

2405
02:05:55,000 --> 02:06:00,550
But before we expend any funds on development and design to

2406
02:06:00,550 --> 02:06:03,000
have some work on that.

2407
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:05,729
I think probably the work session because we obviously can

2408
02:06:05,729 --> 02:06:08,319
't -- we couldn't say committee because this is -- but I

2409
02:06:08,319 --> 02:06:12,149
think a work session where we can decide those particular

2410
02:06:12,149 --> 02:06:13,000
options.

2411
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:15,000
Councilmember Rodin.

2412
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:16,000
Thank you, mayor.

2413
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:19,090
And I'm going to ask my fellow historic landmark council

2414
02:06:19,090 --> 02:06:22,000
committee members to chime in if I miss anything.

2415
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:25,090
I understand there's an issue that's holding up at least

2416
02:06:25,090 --> 02:06:28,170
one certificate of appropriateness and it has to do with

2417
02:06:28,170 --> 02:06:31,000
the use of hardy boards in historic districts.

2418
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:35,569
And the mechanism as we understand it legally is that the

2419
02:06:35,569 --> 02:06:40,250
process to look at possible code changes to the historic

2420
02:06:40,250 --> 02:06:44,659
regulations has to begin with HLC and move its way through

2421
02:06:44,659 --> 02:06:46,000
PNZ and council.

2422
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:49,550
As it stands, it seems like some on HLC are just refusing

2423
02:06:49,550 --> 02:06:52,880
to even consider that change which is keeping it from

2424
02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:55,000
moving through the process.

2425
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:57,770
So I think I'd like to on behalf of the committee as we

2426
02:06:57,770 --> 02:07:00,479
talked about this last week and I think they have an

2427
02:07:00,479 --> 02:07:04,000
opportunity at their next upcoming meeting from the council

2428
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:08,000
perspective to task HLC to consider that.

2429
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:11,000
Whether they reject it, approve it would be up to them.

2430
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:13,789
But to just allow that to move through the process so

2431
02:07:13,789 --> 02:07:16,000
ultimately council can look at that.

2432
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:19,289
I think we have some new construction issues at play that

2433
02:07:19,289 --> 02:07:22,579
we might be holding some property owners up significant

2434
02:07:22,579 --> 02:07:25,000
times unless we get that kick started.

2435
02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:29,090
So that's my recommendation to the city manager if you

2436
02:07:29,090 --> 02:07:31,000
could help with that.

2437
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:33,000
Councilmember Hawkins.

2438
02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:35,000
Yeah, I wanted to add to the skate park thing.

2439
02:07:35,000 --> 02:07:38,489
I was just very impressed with Sam and the group that came

2440
02:07:38,489 --> 02:07:39,000
out.

2441
02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:42,430
And I'm looking forward to the conversation that we could

2442
02:07:42,430 --> 02:07:45,869
have about either replacing the existing one or finding a

2443
02:07:45,869 --> 02:07:47,000
new location.

2444
02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:51,029
And then I just wanted to applaud my fellow council women

2445
02:07:51,029 --> 02:07:53,000
and men today and staff.

2446
02:07:53,000 --> 02:07:55,449
It was a long day and I didn't know how today was going to

2447
02:07:55,449 --> 02:07:56,000
end up.

2448
02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:59,649
But I think that it's been a really good day and just

2449
02:07:59,649 --> 02:08:03,000
wanted to tell everybody it was a good job.

2450
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:05,000
So I appreciate it.

2451
02:08:05,000 --> 02:08:07,000
So except for Kevin.

2452
02:08:07,000 --> 02:08:09,000
No, especially Kevin.

2453
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:11,000
So thank you very much.

2454
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:13,000
Councilmember Briggs.

2455
02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:18,170
Yes, I would like to ask staff to research and council to

2456
02:08:18,170 --> 02:08:24,250
possibly consider adding a youth advisory board to our

2457
02:08:24,250 --> 02:08:27,000
board and commissions.

2458
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:31,000
Research and look to other cities.

2459
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:32,000
Have a report on that.

2460
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:33,000
Great.

2461
02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:35,000
Good.

2462
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:37,000
I've got a couple.

2463
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:39,000
I thought you were going to break out.

2464
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:41,000
Councilmember Hawkins and I don't remember the movie.

2465
02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:43,000
Somebody's going to.

2466
02:08:43,000 --> 02:08:45,000
I love you, man.

2467
02:08:45,000 --> 02:08:48,000
Where I was expecting you to say so.

2468
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:49,000
That's the trivia question.

2469
02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:51,000
Old school.

2470
02:08:51,000 --> 02:08:52,000
Okay.

2471
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:53,000
That's right.

2472
02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:55,159
Because I do want to echo that sentiment and not just for

2473
02:08:55,159 --> 02:08:59,189
the long meeting, but for the discussions on the budget and

2474
02:08:59,189 --> 02:09:02,000
just the differences of opinions and priorities.

2475
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:04,869
But the collaboration and compromise, as I believe was was

2476
02:09:04,869 --> 02:09:07,569
pointed out in an earlier speaker that that the two of you

2477
02:09:07,569 --> 02:09:10,000
gentlemen, but I think that's that's good.

2478
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:13,029
I think collaboration and compromise is is is something

2479
02:09:13,029 --> 02:09:15,760
that I really am proud of my colleagues here on this

2480
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:19,000
council that we were able to really work through things.

2481
02:09:19,000 --> 02:09:24,000
And I just was I was very excited about that.

2482
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:28,109
The second one is just to acknowledge what a great

2483
02:09:28,109 --> 02:09:30,000
community we have.

2484
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:34,130
The proclamations with the great Parks Department and the

2485
02:09:34,130 --> 02:09:38,880
the the dolphins and then United Way, the living for the

2486
02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:43,000
month and then the the rodeo the lineman.

2487
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:46,390
We live in a great community and we're doing a lot of

2488
02:09:46,390 --> 02:09:49,000
things and for the homeless issue.

2489
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:51,520
And so I'm very proud to be living in this city and at this

2490
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:54,220
time because I really think we're really moving forward on

2491
02:09:54,220 --> 02:09:56,000
some really great initiatives.

2492
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:58,960
And last but not least, I had a call and I could not answer

2493
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:00,000
this question.

2494
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:03,000
If we have any ordinances regarding drones.

2495
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:07,130
So I'd like to for the somebody had mentioned drones as far

2496
02:10:07,130 --> 02:10:11,630
as you know, flying around neighborhoods and privacy issues

2497
02:10:11,630 --> 02:10:15,640
and no, no, no, no, no, not drones at the meeting like I'm

2498
02:10:15,640 --> 02:10:17,000
doing right now.

2499
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:21,560
So just like to get it sort of a maybe an informal staff

2500
02:10:21,560 --> 02:10:26,340
report or something to see what the limitations are on a

2501
02:10:26,340 --> 02:10:30,890
city's ability to regulate those kind of that kind of

2502
02:10:30,890 --> 02:10:32,000
equipment.

2503
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:34,000
Because I really don't know.

2504
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:35,000
That's all I've got.

2505
02:10:35,000 --> 02:10:36,000
Councilmember Hawkins.

2506
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:37,000
I forgot one thing.

2507
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:40,689
I just wanted to publicly say how much I like the mayor's

2508
02:10:40,689 --> 02:10:45,000
growth, the beard thing going and hopefully it continues.

2509
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:47,000
It's wise. I like it.

2510
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:48,000
Thank you.

2511
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:49,000
Keep denting beard.

2512
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:50,000
That's right.

2513
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:51,000
I appreciate that.

2514
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:54,000
Councilmember Johnson.

2515
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:57,000
I'm not sure I want to follow Julie tonight.

2516
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:58,000
He's a little punch drunk.

2517
02:10:58,000 --> 02:11:01,380
I just want to say, Bill, if you're watching, Peggy

2518
02:11:01,380 --> 02:11:05,369
deserves to come in at noon tomorrow after stomaching a 12

2519
02:11:05,369 --> 02:11:07,000
hour day here with us.

2520
02:11:07,000 --> 02:11:11,000
Wonderful.

2521
02:11:11,000 --> 02:11:12,000
All right.

2522
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:14,000
Seeing no other requests for new business.