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>> I'm going to say good morning because we've been here

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since 9 o'clock, but I'm going to say good evening.

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Good evening. I wanted to welcome you to the September 1st,

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2015 Denton City Council meeting.

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It's 6 31 and if you would join me in standing and pledging

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to the U.S. and the Texas flag.

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[ Applause ]

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>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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I pledge allegiance to the Texas flag and to the state of

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America, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty

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and justice for all.

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>> We have some proclamations that I'll come down and

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recognize.

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[ Silence ]

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>> We have a proclamation for blood cancer awareness month.

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I'm not sure if they're here this evening. If not, we'll be

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sure and mail that to them.

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Anyone here for blood cancer awareness month? All right.

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Thank you.

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Live United Month. Gary, you all come on down and introduce

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yourself and tell us the month we're celebrating.

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[ Silence ]

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>> I'm Mark Sacco. I am the chairperson for United Way of

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Denton County and this is September is Live United Month.

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>> I'm Carol Kyer on the executive board.

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>> Mark Murkey and I'm on the executive board.

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>> Gary Henderson and I'm the CEO of United Way of Denton

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County.

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>> Give us just a real brief description of what Live

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United Month is.

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>> Wow. What is it not?

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>> That's better.

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>> So obviously United Way has been a staple in our

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community for years and years and years.

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Our goal is to raise money to help people in our community.

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Effectively, we do things relating to just about any need

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that a person in our community might have.

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For example, we've been tackling the question of mental

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health.

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And what's surprising is that mental health affects just

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about everybody.

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Everybody in our community in some form, some fashion is

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affected by it.

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If you look at our jails, what do you see?

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Lots of folks that are in jail because of a mental health

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reason.

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So we're trying to get a grasp around that and trying to

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help those folks and figure out how does that impact.

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Because mental health, and I'm just picking on one subject,

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if you're unable to perform, well, you're probably not

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providing for your family.

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You're probably not helping to educate your children very

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well.

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You're probably not doing a lot of things that you

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otherwise could if you were properly diagnosed and treated.

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So that's one of the things.

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And so we have the Coalition on Mental Health.

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We've also helped out with the Mayor's Job Program this

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year.

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And that's a new program that, effectively new, I believe,

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that is basically helping kids who need the help the most,

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teenagers, high schoolers, to get jobs and learn and gain

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skills.

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We also do an income tax service that helps out elderly

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folks and folks that have limited means to be able to get

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free tax services

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instead of going to a tax preparer.

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We've also tackled the, and you all are familiar probably

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with Bank on Denton,

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it's a way to tackle the loan sharks out there, the payday

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loans, the payday lenders.

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And the list goes on and on as well as we support 20

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agencies in our community that provide all the way down to

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the most basic service.

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I wasn't really prepared to talk, but I hope I did okay.

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Mayor, thank you so much for honoring us today.

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Thank you. Thank you. Absolutely.

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[applause]

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Well, I will tell you, I will read a proclamation,

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but there's no way that words on a piece of paper can

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explain the great blessing that Denton County realizes as a

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result of United Way

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and all the many programs that they're involved in and all

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the new initiatives that they're involved with.

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So really do appreciate all that you guys do for our

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community.

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You're there day in and day out helping the nonprofits that

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you support,

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and really to support the people in our county. So thank

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you very much.

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Thank you.

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This is a proclamation by the mayor of the city of Denton,

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Texas,

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whereas United Way of Denton County achieves its mission to

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improve lives in Denton County

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by mobilizing community resources that identify and address

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critical issues in the areas of education, income, and

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health,

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the building blocks for a better life.

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And whereas United Way of Denton County's Collective Impact

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Initiative,

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Denton County's Citizens Council on Mental Health rallied

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support this past year to launch a Denton County Behavioral

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Health Leadership Team

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to develop strategies that will improve the behavioral

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health system in our community.

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And whereas across Denton County, one in three children are

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at risk of dropping out of school.

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I'm going to repeat that one more time.

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Across Denton County, one in three children are at risk of

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dropping out of school.

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United Way of Denton County and community collaborators

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continue to mobilize volunteers

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through Mentor Denton to help at-risk children succeed in

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school.

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And whereas United Way of Denton County serves as the

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backbone organization for collective impact initiatives,

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including Pre-Kindergarten Readiness Coalition, Bank on

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Denton County, Denton County Works Job Interview Training

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for Youth,

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the Mayor's Summer Youth Jobs Initiative, Project Blueprint

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Board Training, school-based community centers, and the

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Volunteer Income Tax Assistance Program.

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And whereas this past year, 12,026 generous donors gave a

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total of $2.468 million, almost $2.5 million,

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to support the mission of the United Way of Denton County

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grants to 20 partner agencies and collective impact grants

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that target unmet local needs.

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And therefore, it actually is really my pleasure and honor

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that I, Chris Watts, Mayor of the City of Denton, Texas,

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do hereby proclaim September 2015 to be Live United Month

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in the City of Denton and join United Way of Denton County

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donors,

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volunteers, and partners in calling on all residents to

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live united and give, advocate, and volunteer.

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So thank you all very much for what you do for our

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community.

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Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much

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, Mark. Thank you.

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[Applause]

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Let's see, Phil. Phil, I'm just going to, you're going to

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be last. Is that okay? I'm going to do the, all right.

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Sorry. I don't have my glasses on. Okay. This is for the

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Denton Dolphins Day.

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So everybody that's involved in the Denton Dolphins Day

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program, come on down.

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[Silence]

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I'm going to have you all introduce yourselves and tell us

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a little bit about the Denton Dolphins.

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I'm Kathy Avery. I'm the program area manager for aquatics.

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And if you're not familiar with the program, it's a

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recreational program affiliated with the Texas Amateur

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Athletic Federation.

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We've been affiliated with them for as long as I've been

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here. It's been a long time.

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Every year we offer a program both at the auditorium in the

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off season in fall and spring, and then also in the summer

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we work out at the Civic Center Pool.

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And this year we had several of our swimmers that not only

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competed locally, but all of them went to regionals.

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Many of them qualified to go to state. Several of them also

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went to the nationals this year in Nebraska.

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And we qualify every two years to do that. We're extremely

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proud of them.

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We started with 89 swimmers at the beginning of the summer.

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In the fall we don't get to have quite as many just because

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we don't have enough space, lane space to keep accommod

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ating that many swimmers just indoors.

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But we've had a wonderful year. We've had some very

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dedicated coaches and athletes.

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At this time I'd like for them to introduce themselves,

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starting with the head coach.

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I'm Carla Parr. I'm the head coach for the Denton Dolphins.

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I'm Maddie McAlister.

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I'm Hannah Hickman.

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I'm Joe Morales.

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Jack Racin, assistant coach.

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Rosalie Byer, assistant coach.

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Alright, well let me read this proclamation.

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Proclamation by the mayor of the city of Denton, Texas.

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Whereas the 2015 Denton Dolphin swim team, as part of the

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city of Denton aquatics program competing with TAAF, which

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stands for Texas Amateur Athletic Federation,

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has achieved recognition on both the state and national

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levels, proudly representing the city of Denton.

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And whereas of the roughly 90 summer athletes, seven

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qualified for the summer games of Texas in College Station,

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Texas,

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with four competing including Emma Calvert, Juliana Holland

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, Will Lemons, and Kaitlyn True, who earned a silver medal.

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And whereas three national qualifiers competed in the state

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games of America and Lincoln, Nebraska,

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including Hannah Hickman, who earned gold.

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Who is it?

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Okay, alright, who earned gold.

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[applause]

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Who earned gold, silver, and bronze medals.

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Maddie McAlister, who earned one gold and three silver

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medals.

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[applause]

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And Joseph Morales, who earned two gold and one bronze

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medal.

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[applause]

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And whereas this success was largely made possible by the

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dedicated efforts of the Denton Dolphins coaching staff,

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including Carla Perriman, head coach, Cassie Pritchard,

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assistant coach, and Rosalie Bayer, assistant coach, sorry,

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and Jack Racin, assistant coach.

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Therefore, I, Chris Watts, mayor of the city of Denton,

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Texas, do hereby proclaim September the 1st, 2015, as Dent

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on Dolphins Day in the city of Denton,

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and ask all residents to honor the Denton Dolphins swim

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team for all their accomplishments and admiral

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representation of the city of Denton.

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Congratulations to all of you.

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[applause]

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations. Thank

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you guys for helping.

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Thank you all very much. Thank you.

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Bill?

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Come on in guys.

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I'm very, very proud to bring in some of our linemen. We,

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19 years ago, things come full circle.

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Roddy Patterson competed in the first, second, and third

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Texas linemen rodeo, and now is superintendent at DME, and

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has Lanny here who competed three, four, has competed also,

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and is now our rodeo coordinator.

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And a linemen rodeo, as you see some pictures here, is a

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way for us to encourage our linemen to practice and perfect

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their skills they need for their job.

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And they compete with other organization co-ops and

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municipal utilities from across the state.

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At this year, there were 103 apprentices that competed, and

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we didn't just show up, we showed off.

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We had first and second place out of 103 apprentices.

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[applause]

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Let me just read some of the things that they came away

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with. We told them to bring home some hardware, and they

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certainly did.

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The apprentice overall, first and second place, Tanner Hold

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er was first place, Blake Smith was second place. Apprentice

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written test, Tanner Holder was second place there.

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We had journeyman Hurtman rescue, which you see there is a

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picture of that. Good timing.

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They've asked me before to participate in the practice

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drill. I do not volunteer to be the dummy.

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But we had second place on the team there, Curtis Espinall,

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Ryan Clearman, and Ethan Horton. Ethan and their team is

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out working tonight, so they may show up here in a few

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minutes.

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First place, Patrick Campbell for journeyman Polkline

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individual and journeyman Polkline team.

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Abraham Goodneck, Patrick Campbell, Jason Wallam.

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And then we had other competitors also, somebody named

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Michael Penton, Randy Key, Daniel Hutchins.

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We also furnished several judges that participated in the

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judging the contest.

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All of our teams scored in the top five of the competitions

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they competed in.

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I'm just very proud of them, very proud that the linemen we

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have, when they get called out, they're not just coming out

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to do their job, they're coming out to serve their

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neighbors.

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And just really appreciate them and the hard work they put

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in on their time to practice and practice their skills so

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they can go compete in this on the weekend again on their

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time to do so well in this contest.

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Really appreciate their efforts. Thank you all very much.

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[Applause]

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Thank you gentlemen. Thank you so much for representing

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Denton very well.

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Okay, if we could have the review of procedures for

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addressing the City Council.

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The Denton City Council has adopted rules of procedure

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including a code of conduct which applies to citizens as

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well as council members.

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These rules were enacted to promote an orderly process and

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to preserve decorum.

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Okay, so we're on agenda item three, which is a

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presentation from members of the public.

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Our first speaker, number one, is Sam O'Donnell regarding a

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petition for a skate park.

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If you'll come down and state your...

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Hey, now that's more applause than I get. We can't have

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that.

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If you'll just state your name and address, your time will

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begin.

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Sure. My name is Sam O'Donnell. Appreciate you guys' time

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today and appreciate everyone coming to support this cause.

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Basically, my goal today was just to help raise the

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awareness and bring the attention to our city

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representatives, the need for a local and concrete

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preferred skate park in Denton.

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I'm a current resident, UNT alumni, and I work at the Dent

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on Skate Supply local skate shop here in Denton.

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Just like the first day, we appreciate the skate park we do

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currently have.

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Without that, there'd really be nowhere to skate for us,

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and that's been great over the last few years.

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But as time goes by, we've started to see other skate parks

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kind of pop up in the area, Roanoke, Lewisville mainly.

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And started to feel like the park we have here is a little

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bit outdated, not only that, but out of the way, a little

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bit farther out of the central Denton area than I think a

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lot of people are able to get out to.

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So I guess not only that, but... Oh, I forgot.

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Our current skate park also. I brought some pictures here.

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I did recently see that there was a lot of maintenance. I

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stopped by the park, you know, very frequently.

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I noticed there was some maintenance done on the park, you

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know, sporadically throughout the last few years.

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But even so, you see in the left picture, like, there's the

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screws kind of sticking out, falling out, metal pieces kind

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of coming off the ramps gradually.

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The middle picture there just kind of shows how the layout

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doesn't really make sense.

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Those ramps are actually intended to be launched off of,

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and there's no landing.

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And then this fence here just kind of has the brackets

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broken off, which I think can be dangerous on falling into

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the ramps.

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So what we started to do after hearing, you know, we're

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working at a skate shop, we are the ones who hear the

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people of Denton complain about this typically.

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We started actually taking a petition, basically calling

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for a new skate park in a more accessible area, thinking

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that Denton could definitely benefit from this happening as

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well, from people coming to visit it,

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and then we started to get a lot of support for our general

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public.

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Just in the two months that we had it open online, it got

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about 500 supporters.

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And then our in-store petition, which I handed to you guys,

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probably has about 500 as of today.

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I actually contacted Roanoke Parks and Rec director and

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Lewisville Parks and Rec director to kind of get an idea of

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what maybe were the main reasons why building one in Denton

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would be a good idea.

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They both reported that their skate park currently gets

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more participation than almost any other park they have in

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the area, excluding the water park directly across the

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street.

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So I just thought that would be good.

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Also, the age range of the participants, I think most

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people have a stereotype of skateboarders, in-liners, BMX

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ers being, you know, the teenager misfit kind of age group.

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And it's actually come to find out a lot of these people

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are actually older or even younger now, showing it with

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their kids. So I think the whole point of it being a wide

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age range demographic would definitely be great for the

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city.

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I've actually been a student in recreation leisure studies

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and used most of my school projects around how skateboard

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ing or just recreational sports period benefit an individual

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or the community.

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One of those main factors being the fact that having a

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skate park provides a safe area for people to participate

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in these activities.

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Currently, most of the laws in Denton are kind of confusing

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when it comes to where you can and cannot skateboard.

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So I think this would definitely help with that, as well as

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give people who are into maybe not the mainstream sports a

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place to get these health benefits and develop physically,

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socially, psychologically in those aspects.

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So what we'd like to hopefully have happen, as you see here

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, this is a concrete skate park. The current one we have is

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more of a metal park, like prefabricated skate light.

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So what we'd be hoping for is a concrete park in a more

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central area of Denton. I kind of showed where the current

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skate park here is in the top and more of a central Denton

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area there.

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I also kind of pointed out that I think that's Quaker Town

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Park would be awesome. That's right next to here, just kind

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of areas in those local Denton areas would be preferred.

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[bell rings]

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Appreciate it.

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We've got a couple questions for you. Sure. Council Member

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Hawkins.

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Thank you, Mayor. Thanks for doing this. You definitely

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coming out and bringing all these people with you. This is

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how things happen in Denton, so that's cool.

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I'm glad you had that drawing. I'm just wondering if it did

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have to be at the existing site, and let's say we put a new

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one there. Is the one that you want, is it quite a bit

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bigger? Is it the same size? Do you know?

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I think the main thing, I mean the bigger, the better it is

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. The more people are going to come, the more our residents

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are going to actually use it.

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So I think that's something obviously we desire, but I

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think really it's just a matter of a local, more

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centralized park would be greatly appreciated.

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I'm not saying we should tear down the one we currently

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have, because I think that's great that we have that as

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well, but I think a lot of people have trouble getting out

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there. They've started going to the parks in Roanoke, McKin

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ney, and Lewisville as an alternative to what we currently

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have.

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You should know the closer you get to downtown, it's just

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going to be tough. I'm not saying it's impossible.

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Totally understand.

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I'm from a rich group. I'm about to be 41, and I was

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skating in high school, so it's just, I don't do it anymore

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, or I probably wouldn't make it to many council meetings,

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but anyway, but thanks for coming out here.

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Of course.

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Great. Okay.

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Several, a few more. Council Member Johnson.

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Thank you, Mayor. Sam, thank you for putting all this

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together and for having the drive and initiative to kind of

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get this conversation going.

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And the rendering that you put up there, so is that an

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existing park somewhere?

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I think it's a concept park. This one you saw attached to

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our petition right there.

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That was just, I think, an image we looked up online to

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kind of get an idea. That's not entirely exactly what we

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want, but I think that would be much appreciated.

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And so the folks that you spoke to, Roanoke and Lewisville,

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they have the type of park that you would desire here.

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In those conversations, did you have any feel in the

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conversation for what it would cost to build one of those?

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I didn't get like exact costs. I mean, that's definitely

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something I could figure out from them, but kind of the way

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they put it was that the age groups, different demographics

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it covered kind of made it a good public funding thing for

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that.

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Just the fact that it covers so many people. The gentleman

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I spoke to in Roanoke said that the kind of justification

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for why they were willing to fund it, again, I'm not sure

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how much, was that they didn't really have any programs

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that were geared towards the middle demographic.

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So this obviously a highly participated sport and

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activities for that demographic, but it went towards all

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age groups.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Mayor Pro Tem Gregory.

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Thanks. Yeah, I'm over 41.

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And when I built my skateboard, I had used my old skates

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that you had the skate key to clamp on your shoes.

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And I first time I used them, I fell and hit my head. And

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as a result, I ran for city council.

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Yeah, it all explains it doesn't.

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So a couple of questions. In the parks that you're going to

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in the neighboring area, do they charge?

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No, the current like Louisville, Roanoke, McKinney parks

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are free. There are some skate parks that charge, but they

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don't seem to last when there's free public skate parks

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popping up everywhere.

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Do they open 24 hours a day? Do they have attendance there

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to monitor? How does that work?

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Typically, they're open about 10 to 10. Some of them have

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lights, some of them do not. Obviously, the ones that don't

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probably close around seven or eight.

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As for the second question, supervisors, staff there that

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are monitoring.

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I know the one in a, it's called Railroad Park in Louis

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ville. I think that one really, it's just that whoever they

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have, like that's a giant park, you know, lacrosse field,

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soccer fields, things of that nature.

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Staff that kind of regulates the whole park, not just the

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skate park.

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So I think what's best is to put the skate park next to

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some sort of other facilities that require some sort of

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supervision or maintenance in order to keep track of that.

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But I don't think it's also completely required or

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necessary to really maintenance it besides the trash at

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night possibly.

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Well, that was the final question, because do you ever see

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them connected with something like a BMX bike park or

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something?

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Yes, I mean, the one in Louisville does have all the other,

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you know, mainstream sports and even a dog park next to it.

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When it comes to the BMXing, skateboarding difference,

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really the park can be geared towards both.

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Some parks don't allow BMXs, BMX bikes, because they do

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more damage.

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But we really be happy with any kind of consideration for a

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park like this.

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And I think they should be allowed to as well. I don't

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think that'd be fair to them.

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Thank you very much.

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Council Member Rodin.

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Thanks, Sam, for coming out. And how many people, by the

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way, are here to support this? Just a show of hands.

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Holy mackerel. Well, thank you guys for showing up.

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Welcome to City Council. I'm sure for many of you the first

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time.

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I am 41. I had hair like down to here when I was in high

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school trying to do that skater thing.

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But I had more of the look than I had any skills. But

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hopefully my kids will get it.

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You mentioned Quaker Town Park. Are you able to use

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existing concrete creek beds as part of the design for

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something like this?

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I think that'd be an excellent idea. A lot of people

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actually go for the kind of creek beds as part of the

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obstacles they skate.

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I know we're not supposed to, but when there's not really a

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great public park in the area.

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That wasn't really a serious question.

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Yeah, I think it's true.

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So don't reveal too much about what folks do here in town.

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But a serious question related to this only because you

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brought it up.

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So I guess it's fair game. And I have heard this raised

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from other circles.

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And that is questions about what is the legalities in terms

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of being able to skateboard as a means of transportation in

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town.

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Which a lot of people do with longboards and whatnot. What

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do you understand? What are the rules?

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I've heard people say you can't even go down a street or

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sidewalk since you're kind of left.

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It's kind of ironic that you asked because I was actually

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stopped today for skateboarding in a street on UNT in order

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to prepare this presentation.

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So the current rules to my understanding, the officer

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informed me, you're allowed to skateboard across Denton

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sidewalks.

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Excluding the square that has places that have signs on it.

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You're not allowed to skate on that.

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But as for the streets, basically it's become a traffic

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violation is how they recorded it to me.

00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.000
Gotcha. So if there's no sidewalks, you just got to walk.

00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:38.000
You just got to walk it.

00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:40.000
Okay. Thanks. Well, thanks again for coming out.

00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:43.000
Of course. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:45.460
Now I know when you asked about the creek beds, I thought

00:28:45.460 --> 00:28:48.000
the city manager was beginning to quake in his boots.

00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.049
But thank you so much and thank you all for coming out. I

00:28:51.049 --> 00:28:53.240
've heard from several of you and I appreciate the

00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:54.000
initiative.

00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:56.450
Of course. And we certainly will take a look at that. Thank

00:28:56.450 --> 00:28:57.000
you.

00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:59.000
I appreciate your time. Thank you. You bet.

00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:09.000
Mayor, don't they have to stay for the whole meeting?

00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.000
Sorry, guys. Welcome to council.

00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.029
Our next speaker is Mr. Roy Messler representing the Mons

00:29:16.029 --> 00:29:20.109
ignor King Outreach Center regarding an update and request

00:29:20.109 --> 00:29:21.000
for funds.

00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:26.140
Since I figured the council has heard me speak about as

00:29:26.140 --> 00:29:29.799
much as they can stand for one day, one of my good fellow

00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:31.000
board members will present.

00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:33.210
Yeah, if you could just state your name and address, your

00:29:33.210 --> 00:29:34.000
time will begin. Thank you.

00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:38.609
Steve Murray, Aubrey. We own moms in Aubrey and we're on

00:29:38.609 --> 00:29:41.000
the advisory board, my wife and I.

00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:46.349
And just great privileges to council, mayor, for going to

00:29:46.349 --> 00:29:48.000
speak tonight.

00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:51.859
Roy did say that he was wore out this afternoon when he

00:29:51.859 --> 00:29:56.000
called me and it was kind of a long session, I guess.

00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:59.859
But we just really appreciate the fact that this building

00:29:59.859 --> 00:30:03.000
looks like it's going to be a homeless shelter.

00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:08.940
And about six months ago, the Monsignor King homeless

00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:11.000
shelter was homeless.

00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.220
And we had a meeting at the church and lo and behold, the

00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:17.509
city came along and we got to use this shelter for the time

00:30:17.509 --> 00:30:18.000
being.

00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:20.200
And two weeks ago, we had another meeting and we thought,

00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:22.000
oh boy, we're going to be homeless again.

00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.730
But we just appreciate the fact that the city can work with

00:30:26.730 --> 00:30:31.000
us and see the basis that we've done in the last six years

00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:32.000
for the community.

00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.000
And we're going to be able to help the community.

00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.000
We're going to be able to help the community.

00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.000
We're going to be able to help the community.

00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.000
We're going to be able to help the community.

00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.000
We're going to be able to help the community.

00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.000
We're going to be able to help the community.

00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.000
We're going to be able to help the community.

00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.000
We're going to be able to help the community.

00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:59.000
We're going to be able to help the community.

00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.430
Is this your first time to speak before us? Before the Dent

00:31:03.430 --> 00:31:04.000
Council? Yes.

00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.000
Okay, well then you're entitled to a free dessert.

00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:09.000
I'm entitled to a free dessert.

00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:10.880
Just like when you're first time to eat at Mom's, you're

00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:12.000
entitled to a free dessert.

00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:14.000
That's exactly right.

00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.289
And I see some familiar faces up here and we appreciate it

00:31:18.289 --> 00:31:19.000
also.

00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:21.109
But thank you so much for working with us and getting this

00:31:21.109 --> 00:31:22.000
project underway.

00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.000
Thank you. Thank you for what you do in our community.

00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:27.000
Thank you so much for that.

00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:29.000
Thank you.

00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:31.000
Yes, absolutely.

00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:39.000
Our next speaker is Claudette.

00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:41.000
Is it FET or FETI?

00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:43.000
I'm sorry. FETI.

00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:45.000
I'm sorry. I apologize.

00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:47.200
Regarding the coordinator position for the homeless and

00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.000
associated homeless needs.

00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:53.000
Hi.

00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:55.000
State your name and address and your time will begin.

00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:57.000
Sure. I am Claudette FETI.

00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:01.000
I'm the executive 2708 Glenwood in Denton.

00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.730
I'm sending a letter so that I wouldn't be, or a written

00:32:07.730 --> 00:32:11.000
page so I wouldn't be tempted to just read to you.

00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:15.000
I am a citizen.

00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.789
Additionally, I teach at Texas Women's University in the

00:32:18.789 --> 00:32:21.000
School of Occupational Therapy.

00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:26.000
And I volunteer at the Denton Community Health Clinic.

00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:33.200
And run a group we call Able Disabled, which includes

00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:38.099
people who are homeless, people who have psychiatric or

00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:42.000
mental health needs, and people with physical disabilities.

00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.000
And they wanted to do two things.

00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.589
They wanted to provide voice and advocate for the needs of

00:32:48.589 --> 00:32:50.000
the poor in Denton.

00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:55.000
They also wanted to develop productive occupations.

00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:58.000
And we've been doing some of both.

00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:00.000
This is part of.

00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:08.529
And doing some advocacy across a number of different fronts

00:33:08.529 --> 00:33:09.000
.

00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.190
And then also they're creating crafts that they're

00:33:13.190 --> 00:33:15.000
beginning to sell.

00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:18.849
And then we've developed a time bank to help divide those

00:33:18.849 --> 00:33:23.000
resources back out and build some skills and abilities.

00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:29.140
I'm here to advocate for increasing our support for people

00:33:29.140 --> 00:33:32.000
who are experiencing homelessness.

00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.000
And for people who are at risk of homelessness.

00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:40.599
And there is an overlap with the mental health issues that

00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:43.000
United Way reported.

00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:48.000
Certainly that is a big part of our population.

00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:54.769
I want to support, in addition to it sounds like you all

00:33:54.769 --> 00:34:00.069
are going to use the shelter, the old animal hospital as a

00:34:00.069 --> 00:34:01.000
shelter.

00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.000
And I absolutely support that.

00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.279
In addition I'd like you to think about extending the

00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:10.000
possibility of using it in the daytime.

00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:14.650
I don't think we make adequate use of our resources locally

00:34:14.650 --> 00:34:15.000
.

00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.960
I teach at university and I have lots of students who need

00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:22.119
community experience to apply what they're learning in the

00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:23.000
classroom.

00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.409
And they get that experience through a lot of the different

00:34:26.409 --> 00:34:30.000
things I do in the community among the ABLE disabled group.

00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:35.000
And I don't think we make good use of those resources.

00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:37.880
We have two universities here with lots of students who

00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:39.000
need experience.

00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.000
So I'd like to see us make better use of that.

00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:49.110
I want to support the Homeless Coalition's request for a

00:34:49.110 --> 00:34:51.000
coordinator.

00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.010
There are a lot of different services and things out there,

00:34:54.010 --> 00:34:55.000
but they're not very well coordinated.

00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:58.269
And I think we need to look at some of the resources that

00:34:58.269 --> 00:35:00.000
we're under utilizing.

00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:06.000
So that, churches, people with lived experience as well.

00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.000
I think we need to be looking at peer to peer.

00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:13.300
We need to be looking on this time bank to kind of help

00:35:13.300 --> 00:35:17.000
people build the opportunity to volunteer and reengage.

00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.000
And this would be another opportunity.

00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.440
And there are plenty of willing volunteers who know what it

00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:28.000
's like to be homeless because they have that experience.

00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:36.500
And lastly, to think about the other ways that we spend

00:35:36.500 --> 00:35:42.010
those resources in jails and more restrictive placement

00:35:42.010 --> 00:35:44.000
because we don't have the supports that we need.

00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.000
So let's do it different.

00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:49.000
Thank you.

00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:51.000
And that's it.

00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:53.000
Thank you.

00:35:54.000 --> 00:36:02.000
[Applause]

00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:04.000
Okay.

00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.360
Okay. We've come to agenda item 3C, which is where we have

00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:10.000
additional citizens' reports.

00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:13.119
And this is a section of the agenda that permits anyone not

00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:16.000
registered for a citizens' report to make comments

00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:19.730
regarding public business on items not listed on the agenda

00:36:19.730 --> 00:36:20.000
.

00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.699
This is limited to four speakers per meeting with each

00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:26.000
speaker allowed a maximum of four minutes.

00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:28.000
So I've got three cards here.

00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:30.420
And as I call your name, if you would just come down and

00:36:30.420 --> 00:36:33.000
state your name and address and your time will begin.

00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:35.000
Timothy Swenson.

00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.679
And you can share with us what you want to talk to us about

00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:39.000
.

00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:41.000
Just name and address.

00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:44.219
Yes. I want to discuss about the Homeless Coalition and the

00:36:44.219 --> 00:36:46.000
support of the coordinator situation.

00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:50.650
And I also want to talk about the experience of the people

00:36:50.650 --> 00:36:54.150
that are disabled and the problem that they face is the

00:36:54.150 --> 00:36:56.000
homeless situations.

00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.489
There has been times that I needed a homeless situation

00:36:59.489 --> 00:37:01.000
where I needed help.

00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.219
And I went to shelter and unfortunately, as you can see

00:37:04.219 --> 00:37:07.000
with my service dog, I am a seizure patient.

00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:09.000
I had a seizure there.

00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.369
And because I had a seizure there, I was turned away and

00:37:12.369 --> 00:37:14.000
services were denied.

00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.000
And I have met people in wheelchairs.

00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:20.000
I've met people that are blind.

00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:22.690
I've met many different types of disabled people and they

00:37:22.690 --> 00:37:25.000
were just turned away because of the condition.

00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:27.420
And it's not so much of the condition, it's the fear of not

00:37:27.420 --> 00:37:29.000
understanding the conditions.

00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.840
And because of that, there is not the support and need and

00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:36.760
help for the people that are mentally ill to the physically

00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:38.000
handicapped.

00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:41.940
And there is a big, big issue out there at hand for the

00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:45.119
people that are disabled because they are the ones at the

00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.710
higher risk of becoming homeless because their financial

00:37:48.710 --> 00:37:51.389
income of just trying to pay for medications or just

00:37:51.389 --> 00:37:54.300
treatment just eats up their financial sources and then

00:37:54.300 --> 00:37:56.000
they don't have nowhere to go.

00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.090
And then when that happens, then it becomes a big issue for

00:37:59.090 --> 00:38:01.000
them and they try to go get help.

00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:03.219
And they are turned away because people don't understand

00:38:03.219 --> 00:38:05.000
the conditions and things of that nature.

00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.349
And I really wanted to give the support of quite a fit for

00:38:09.349 --> 00:38:12.000
being one to do the coordinator situation.

00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.059
And I'm also part of the Able Disabled Support Group

00:38:15.059 --> 00:38:16.000
situation.

00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:18.000
Fantastic.

00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:19.000
Council Member Hawkins.

00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:21.000
Thank you Mayor.

00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:22.000
Thank you for talking.

00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.000
I think that's pretty courageous of you.

00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:25.000
Thank you.

00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.239
Ultimately, what was it that kind of helped you or maybe if

00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:33.000
that's too personal, you don't have to answer.

00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:37.000
No, a lot did not help me to be frank with you.

00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.940
I just became more motivated to get help for the people

00:38:39.940 --> 00:38:42.349
that are disabled and the people that are mentally

00:38:42.349 --> 00:38:43.000
challenged.

00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:46.289
That's not nature because I see that there is a big demand

00:38:46.289 --> 00:38:47.000
for help.

00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.449
And I said, if nobody doesn't speak up like I'm speaking

00:38:50.449 --> 00:38:53.000
before you, nobody's going to do it.

00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.000
So that's why I decided to do this.

00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.260
And I figured the more to speak out, then maybe help will

00:38:59.260 --> 00:39:01.000
become available.

00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:03.000
Thanks for doing it.

00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:04.000
Thank you.

00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:06.000
All right. Thank you very much.

00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:07.000
Thank you, Tim. We appreciate that.

00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:08.000
Thank you very much.

00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:09.000
The next speaker.

00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:20.000
The next speaker will be Leah Duncan-Tim.

00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.000
Sorry if I mispronounced that.

00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:23.840
If you'll state your name and address, your time will begin

00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:24.000
.

00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:33.000
Okay.

00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:36.119
My name is Leah Duncan-Tim and I live at 418 Des Moines

00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:41.000
here in Denton.

00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:45.500
And I just really appreciate the opportunity to come before

00:39:45.500 --> 00:39:49.000
you to talk about homelessness here in Denton.

00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:56.150
And to reiterate what Mr. Swenson said about the physically

00:39:56.150 --> 00:40:02.380
handicapped are even more discriminated against and the

00:40:02.380 --> 00:40:05.000
mentally ill are also discriminated against.

00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:11.000
I really thank you for the opportunity to talk to you about

00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:17.000
this situation that exists in Denton and in Denton County.

00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:19.000
It's a countywide situation.

00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:26.000
I am part of ABLE disabled because I am disabled myself.

00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:31.559
I have not personally experienced homelessness, but I'm one

00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:37.000
crisis, one paycheck away from experiencing homelessness.

00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:41.429
And so far, God has seen fit that that has not happened to

00:40:41.429 --> 00:40:42.000
me.

00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:46.860
I have taken two women into my home, own home, on a

00:40:46.860 --> 00:40:50.000
voluntary basis who needed housing.

00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.800
One is sustaining and becoming self-supporting through my

00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:57.070
help and assistance and through the support of ABLE

00:40:57.070 --> 00:40:58.000
disabled.

00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:02.500
Unfortunately, one of the women that I took into my home

00:41:02.500 --> 00:41:06.719
was too mentally ill to be sustained in a private home

00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:08.000
situation.

00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:12.000
And so that was not successful.

00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:18.750
I think it's really important that we focus on peer-to-peer

00:41:18.750 --> 00:41:24.000
services, people with lived experience.

00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:27.989
Tim and I had an opportunity to attend a conference this

00:41:27.989 --> 00:41:30.000
weekend in support of that.

00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.539
And we like to try to get a group started here with peer-to

00:41:34.539 --> 00:41:40.000
-peer support, like I say, for people with lived experience.

00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:48.000
And there needs to be a range of support available.

00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:52.809
It doesn't help just to throw money at a situation and then

00:41:52.809 --> 00:41:57.199
, you know, the person uses the money, like Tim said, you

00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.000
know, for the immediate need that they have.

00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:05.000
And then the problem continues.

00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.989
I would like to ask for the council to consider a

00:42:10.989 --> 00:42:15.829
coordinator for the homelessness to coordinate services

00:42:15.829 --> 00:42:19.000
that are available already in Denton.

00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.289
I think we have a lot of repeat and repeat kind of services

00:42:22.289 --> 00:42:23.000
going on.

00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:27.369
And I think that the depth of the services that are

00:42:27.369 --> 00:42:33.130
available are not well known and well received because we

00:42:33.130 --> 00:42:35.000
have no central person to go to.

00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:39.000
And/or coordinate these services.

00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:47.150
And I agree with Claudette, who says that the universities

00:42:47.150 --> 00:42:50.000
are a great resource.

00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:53.650
And I've had the opportunity to work with some of the

00:42:53.650 --> 00:42:57.000
students from her classes at ABLE Disabled.

00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:01.000
And it's been a wonderful, very positive experience.

00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:07.329
So I encourage you to help us encourage the universities to

00:43:07.329 --> 00:43:11.000
participate in our situation.

00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:15.000
Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much.

00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:25.000
And we have one more card on the additional citizen report.

00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:29.000
It's Dylan Vassard.

00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:33.070
If you'll come down and state your name and address and

00:43:33.070 --> 00:43:35.000
your time will begin.

00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:41.139
Hello, I'm Dylan Vassard, 1409 Oxford, Denton, Texas. 1409

00:43:41.139 --> 00:43:44.000
Oxford. Oxford. Okay. I'm sorry.

00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.500
So I've been here for about eight years. I'm an alumni of

00:43:47.500 --> 00:43:48.000
UNT as well.

00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:53.000
I just wanted to speak on behalf of Sam's skate park idea.

00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.000
So I'm in support for it.

00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:58.349
I have a couple of notes that y'all are asking questions

00:43:58.349 --> 00:43:59.000
about.

00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:03.000
Most of the parks around here are about $100,000.

00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:06.469
And there are actual websites that a lot of these parks

00:44:06.469 --> 00:44:10.559
that have gone built, they go to these builders that have

00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:12.000
kind of templated parks.

00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.000
So it keeps costs down for that.

00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.469
And the current plot can, it could accommodate a concrete

00:44:18.469 --> 00:44:19.000
park.

00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.000
There's no reason that it could not.

00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.130
Though I know that the they're advocating for more

00:44:25.130 --> 00:44:28.000
centralized area.

00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:33.920
And just wanted to speak as a minority voice in a minority

00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:35.000
sport.

00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.000
I don't skateboard and my friends don't. We rollerblade.

00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:41.340
But a lot of the parks around Texas and a lot of the free

00:44:41.340 --> 00:44:44.860
concrete parks actually, they cater more toward just

00:44:44.860 --> 00:44:46.000
skateboarding,

00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:50.900
which makes it not very enticing sometimes to go to these

00:44:50.900 --> 00:44:54.369
other parks because it just doesn't have the obstacles that

00:44:54.369 --> 00:44:55.000
you want.

00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:57.880
And then that ends up, it ends up that people would rather

00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:00.440
just skate street, which going to businesses and skating on

00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:04.000
their stuff, you know, it's does cause damages.

00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.190
I can see why no one wants their their rails or their

00:45:07.190 --> 00:45:10.000
stairs or whatever it is to be skated on.

00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:15.059
So anyways, I am the concrete park would I think it would

00:45:15.059 --> 00:45:18.000
be less maintenance overall because you don't have screws,

00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.000
wood ramps falling apart.

00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:23.000
It's for the concrete sets and it's done essentially.

00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:27.460
So I don't know if maintenance is an issue for the park or

00:45:27.460 --> 00:45:29.000
not currently.

00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:34.550
And sorry, these are just real quick notes. This is very

00:45:34.550 --> 00:45:35.000
formal.

00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:38.539
It makes me a little nervous, but I just wanted to get it

00:45:38.539 --> 00:45:41.000
get this out here. Take your time.

00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:44.000
And it's just an dent in a real art community.

00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:49.280
And I value that a whole lot. And it makes me feel better

00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.000
to be part of such a tight knit community.

00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:54.119
And for my generation, a lot of collaboration and

00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:58.000
creativity comes out of skate parks and meeting together.

00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.559
It's I get to meet with my peer group out there and my

00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:05.000
career is motion graphics and it's an art field.

00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.309
And a lot of people that I skate with and do these action

00:46:07.309 --> 00:46:10.000
sports with, they have similar fields.

00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:13.469
And I mean, I've gotten work from work from going to skate

00:46:13.469 --> 00:46:17.300
parks, just just talking to people and getting more

00:46:17.300 --> 00:46:21.000
involved in the community, essentially,

00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.989
maybe not doing necessarily charitable things, but meeting

00:46:24.989 --> 00:46:28.000
the people that are around in the community. And it's nice

00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:28.000
from that standpoint.

00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:32.000
And I really like that. So just more of opinions, I guess.

00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.000
And yeah, that's it.

00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:38.429
Well, thank you. Thank you for coming down, Sharon. What

00:46:38.429 --> 00:46:43.000
does she bet?

00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:47.679
We have one last card for the citizens, additional citizens

00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:51.000
reports because we're limited to four. It's Liz. Is it Em

00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:51.000
erson?

00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:54.150
Come down and state your name and address and your time

00:46:54.150 --> 00:46:55.000
will begin.

00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:57.699
Let me jump in. Sure. I didn't even plan on doing this

00:46:57.699 --> 00:47:03.019
today. My name is Liz Emerson and I live at 1225 Belmead

00:47:03.019 --> 00:47:04.000
Drive.

00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:06.820
So I just want to speak in support of the Monsignor King

00:47:06.820 --> 00:47:08.000
Outreach Center.

00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:12.380
I do street outreach as my primary function at Giving Hope,

00:47:12.380 --> 00:47:13.000
Inc.

00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:17.530
And it's really hard when it's hard to help people find

00:47:17.530 --> 00:47:21.000
jobs and get medical services and get everything they need

00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:25.000
when there's not a place to sleep at night.

00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:28.739
Having having all these great services and didn't really

00:47:28.739 --> 00:47:32.909
can't be utilized if we can't be consistent and have a

00:47:32.909 --> 00:47:37.000
place for people to stay regularly.

00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:39.469
We have a great hunger initiative happening right now in

00:47:39.469 --> 00:47:40.000
Denton.

00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:43.699
There's a harvest fest the second Saturday of every month

00:47:43.699 --> 00:47:45.000
to serve Denton.

00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:49.550
So I feel like we're addressing a lot of the basic needs,

00:47:49.550 --> 00:47:53.000
but we still haven't met that shelter.

00:47:53.000 --> 00:48:00.000
We just need a shelter for people to stay in, not not to be

00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:04.000
put through all these different, I guess, tests.

00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:08.480
And I survey people all day long. I'm the one that collects

00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:09.000
data.

00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:14.510
And it's just it's frustrating because I've been doing this

00:48:14.510 --> 00:48:17.000
for a year and a half now.

00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.690
And I do feel like I'm able to help some people, but I'm

00:48:20.690 --> 00:48:23.000
very limited in what I can do.

00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:28.809
And I advocate for what Claudette said about having a day

00:48:28.809 --> 00:48:32.000
shelter, especially for those that are disabled,

00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.820
not having to walk around all day long with we don't have a

00:48:36.820 --> 00:48:40.000
shelter currently for families.

00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.989
So there's a lot of things that need to be addressed in

00:48:43.989 --> 00:48:48.000
terms of just basic needs so that all of our wraparound

00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.000
services can be successful.

00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:54.000
Because if you don't have a mailing address, it's not going

00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:57.679
to be easy to get signed up for services or apply for a job

00:48:57.679 --> 00:48:58.000
.

00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:01.869
And if we're expecting people to quote unquote pull

00:49:01.869 --> 00:49:05.699
themselves up by their bootstraps with nowhere to lay their

00:49:05.699 --> 00:49:10.030
head without worrying about being ticketed or sleeping in

00:49:10.030 --> 00:49:14.280
places where it disturbs the other citizens in the

00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:15.000
community.

00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.260
I get reports about people sleeping places, people using

00:49:19.260 --> 00:49:24.000
the restroom places, things that I have no power to fix,

00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.000
but I know could be addressed.

00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:30.920
And we could send all of these specific services like

00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:35.519
having able disabled have a place to stay even though the

00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.000
community clinic has done so much.

00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:41.480
And I just think it would be so much easier to have a

00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:45.619
centralized place because bouncing people around is just

00:49:45.619 --> 00:49:47.000
not fair to them,

00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:50.210
especially when we're bouncing them to a place that may not

00:49:50.210 --> 00:49:52.000
be able to help them that day.

00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:56.000
So I just kind of want to put my two cents in.

00:49:56.000 --> 00:50:05.000
Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you.

00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.150
Okay. That concludes the agenda agenda item or portion of

00:50:08.150 --> 00:50:10.460
our agenda where it's presentation from members of the

00:50:10.460 --> 00:50:11.000
public.

00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:15.670
So now we'll proceed on to the rest of the agendas for this

00:50:15.670 --> 00:50:20.000
meeting consent agenda agenda item number four.

00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:24.269
Councilman something happened. Councilmember Hawkins. Thank

00:50:24.269 --> 00:50:25.000
you, Mayor.

00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:29.480
I move approval of consent agenda items. Sorry. A through P

00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:31.000
. We have a motion.

00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:36.000
Mayor Pro Tem Gregory. Did we pull one of those?

00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:39.000
Okay. Second. We have a motion and a second.

00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:50.000
Let's vote on the board, please.

00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:55.000
Agenda carries consent agenda carries unanimously.

00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:59.659
Moving on now to agenda items number five, which I believe

00:50:59.659 --> 00:51:03.000
are items for individual consideration.

00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:05.409
Agenda item five a is considered nominations appointments

00:51:05.409 --> 00:51:07.619
to the city boards and commissions health and building

00:51:07.619 --> 00:51:10.000
standards commissions human service advisory committee

00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:14.000
parks recreation beautification board and zoning board of

00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:14.000
adjustment.

00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:18.869
We do have one card. Do we want the speaker to speak before

00:51:18.869 --> 00:51:23.000
we make any nominations or I think that'd be appropriate.

00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:28.630
Normally. Yes. Okay. Yes. We have a card. Mr. Willie Hutzp

00:51:28.630 --> 00:51:32.000
ah.

00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:34.000
No, that's fine.

00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:43.000
And I do have a nomination. So, yeah.

00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.639
Thank you, Mr. Hutzpah. Name and address your time will

00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:47.000
begin.

00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:53.000
Name is what I asked for 11623 Newton.

00:51:53.000 --> 00:52:01.460
The boards and commission commissions are nominated by you

00:52:01.460 --> 00:52:02.000
all.

00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:06.500
What I don't follow is how you choose people and how you

00:52:06.500 --> 00:52:08.000
vote them off.

00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:17.670
It seems like you just vote your friends on there, not

00:52:17.670 --> 00:52:22.000
those who offer to serve.

00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:25.869
I don't think you'll have good government like that good

00:52:25.869 --> 00:52:30.860
fair balanced government. When you just pick your friends

00:52:30.860 --> 00:52:35.710
and individuals nominated for the animal shelter or

00:52:35.710 --> 00:52:40.769
whatever that board is and several of you voted for that

00:52:40.769 --> 00:52:44.000
nomination to fail.

00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:49.510
And I'm thinking, well, who do you want on those? Who do

00:52:49.510 --> 00:52:52.000
you want on the boards? You know, I thought about that.

00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.309
I would never get nominated to be on a board with this

00:52:55.309 --> 00:53:00.000
group. I don't think so. You would never have my insight.

00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:06.679
All you have is puppets. And that's not good. That's not

00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:08.000
good.

00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:16.849
And one side note before I wrap up. Nice award for DMZ. The

00:53:16.849 --> 00:53:23.000
Denton municipal DMZ.

00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:39.059
Not one African American anything in that group. In fact,

00:53:39.059 --> 00:53:39.320
that's one of the groups that I'm going to be talking about

00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:39.599
later on. They're not any hired. You don't have any

00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:41.000
administrators in that in that in that pool.

00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:45.250
The electrical equipment operating pool, the manager part

00:53:45.250 --> 00:53:49.519
never in the history. Have you ever had an African American

00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:53.000
in those in that spot? That's just an aside.

00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:56.550
So if you're going to get back to the issue that I'm

00:53:56.550 --> 00:54:01.000
speaking to if you're going to pick boards and commissions.

00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:07.400
From the standpoint, it has to be someone all of you like.

00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:11.360
You ought to put that in there. Don't get bored and ask for

00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:12.000
people to serve in board and commission.

00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:15.989
And then it's so embarrassing for one of you to have

00:54:15.989 --> 00:54:20.429
nominated the person. And then some of you voted him him

00:54:20.429 --> 00:54:24.000
off. I don't guess I can mention his name.

00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:27.099
He doesn't mind me missing his name. But this thing you put

00:54:27.099 --> 00:54:30.050
up there about what you can do and can't do. I'll just have

00:54:30.050 --> 00:54:33.000
to check later on if I can mention the person's name.

00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:36.179
But you all know who it is. And I think some of the

00:54:36.179 --> 00:54:39.630
audience know who it is, too. So put that in there. We have

00:54:39.630 --> 00:54:43.840
to like them. All of us. Or they can't be on boards and

00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:45.000
commissions.

00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:48.000
Thank you, Mr. Husband.

00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:52.139
Do you have a nomination for the I think it's a health and

00:54:52.139 --> 00:54:58.000
building standards? Steve Mossman. Steve Mossman.

00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:00.880
Some of you might recognize that name. He was the tax

00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:04.000
assessor collector for many, many years.

00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:09.030
And so he's agreed to serve on that on that committee if he

00:55:09.030 --> 00:55:11.000
gets so approved.

00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:16.570
And I still have one outstanding, which I'm working on. I

00:55:16.570 --> 00:55:18.000
apologize.

00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:21.369
Is there any other? Am I the only one that's left? OK, well

00:55:21.369 --> 00:55:24.000
, there you go.

00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.269
So that's my nomination is Steve Mossman for that. Do we do

00:55:27.269 --> 00:55:29.000
we have to have a motion and vote on that? All right.

00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:34.300
Chair would entertain a motion. Council member, pro tem

00:55:34.300 --> 00:55:35.000
Gregory.

00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:39.010
Thank you, Mayor. I would move that we approve the slight

00:55:39.010 --> 00:55:43.000
as presented in our backup, including your addition.

00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:48.000
OK. Council member Hawkins. I second.

00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:54.289
We have a motion and a second on the floor. Let's vote on

00:55:54.289 --> 00:56:00.000
the board, please.

00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:07.000
Carried unanimously. Let's see.

00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:11.000
Going on to five B.

00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:15.000
OK.

00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:19.000
We got a card to speak on it, though. Yeah.

00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:23.000
Let me call it. I lost my place in my agenda. I apologize.

00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:26.099
Including items. OK, five B, I'll call the item is

00:56:26.099 --> 00:56:29.400
considered option of an ordinance of the city of Denton,

00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:32.280
Texas, approving an economic development agreement for the

00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:34.300
incentive grant between the city of Denton, the board of

00:56:34.300 --> 00:56:36.000
directors of the tax increment reinvestment zone.

00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.000
Number one city didn't Texas.

00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:42.130
We do have a card to speak on this. Mr. Willie Husbeth, if

00:56:42.130 --> 00:56:45.409
you'll come down to speak on agenda item five B, state your

00:56:45.409 --> 00:56:48.000
name and address and your time will begin.

00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:54.809
My name is Willie Husbeth. I live at 623 Newton. Mayor and

00:56:54.809 --> 00:56:58.000
council members.

00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:07.519
The ordinance process is that you make suggestions, someone

00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:15.909
does, and then you all deliberate about it and then you

00:57:15.909 --> 00:57:20.000
come up with your votes. I think that's the way it works.

00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:20.000
So your votes to either accept it or not or make comments

00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:20.000
and adjust it as you think it needs to be adjusted.

00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:25.210
By the way, that last vote, I guess you all liked Mr. Moss

00:57:25.210 --> 00:57:29.280
man. Everybody liked him. So that's how he got in. The mayor

00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:32.039
nominated him. Boy, that would have been a lot of fun had

00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:33.000
they voted you.

00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:52.000
But they didn't. So we like him. Back to the ordinance. I

00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:52.329
think that process needs, you just need someone in the

00:57:52.329 --> 00:57:52.699
process that just don't agree with you on everything. That

00:57:52.699 --> 00:57:53.000
's not good government.

00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:57.969
Have someone who sees a different perspective and then have

00:57:57.969 --> 00:58:02.420
them talk about the ordinances because there are some

00:58:02.420 --> 00:58:07.789
really bad ones as far as code enforcement that came about

00:58:07.789 --> 00:58:11.000
in situations like this.

00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:17.000
You change the name of that organization, code enforcement.

00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:22.460
But the people that you have in place of that group are

00:58:22.460 --> 00:58:24.000
enforcers.

00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:28.000
That's all they do is enforce.

00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:31.869
And so I think that the ordinance process should be a

00:58:31.869 --> 00:58:36.190
little bit different and then you should have a little bit

00:58:36.190 --> 00:58:40.000
more input and what it is that you're voting for. Thank you

00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:40.000
.

00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:44.000
Thank you, Mr. Husband.

00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:49.000
Mayor pro tem Gregory.

00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:54.000
Five B.

00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:58.000
On item five B I move that we postpone until September 15.

00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:23.000
Councilmember Hawkins. I'll second. You have a motion to

00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:23.000
second to postpone till September 15. Let's vote please.

00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:29.880
Motion carries. The only reason I hesitated that the motion

00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:31.079
said motion to table. I guess that's just because of the

00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:34.019
the way the electronic thing is. I'm assuming that's still

00:59:34.019 --> 00:59:35.000
correct.

00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:38.000
Okay. All right. Thank you. I just wanted to make sure.

00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:41.000
Thank you. Madam, Senator, Secretary.

00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:44.170
We'll go on to agenda item for public hearings agenda item

00:59:44.170 --> 00:59:47.159
6A and believe the new procedure now is I'll read the

00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:50.199
caption and then open the public hearing and then we'll

00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:53.510
have staff presentation and then anyone wishing to speak on

00:59:53.510 --> 00:59:56.000
that agenda item is welcome to come down and speak.

00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:59.119
So 6A is hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an

00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:02.230
ordinance of the city of Denton, Texas, providing for an

01:00:02.230 --> 01:00:04.769
amendment to a detailed plan for a single family

01:00:04.769 --> 01:00:07.820
development within a plan development district zone on

01:00:07.820 --> 01:00:11.000
approximately one point three seven acres of property.

01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:14.000
You're opening the public. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes.

01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:17.000
I will open the public hearing public hearing is now open.

01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:19.010
Thank you, Mayor. And I'll call on Amy Bissett, our

01:00:19.010 --> 01:00:21.000
director of development services to present this case.

01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:24.000
Thank you.

01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:28.000
Thank you, Mayor and City Council members.

01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:33.730
What you're considering this evening is an ordinance to

01:00:33.730 --> 01:00:36.000
amend a detailed plan.

01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:40.000
Get the presentation up here.

01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.599
This is an ordinance amending a detailed plan for a single

01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:47.820
family development. This is plan development number 12 and

01:00:47.820 --> 01:00:51.010
the purpose is to simply amend the detailed plan to

01:00:51.010 --> 01:00:55.000
incorporate approximate 2.9 acres into the plan.

01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:57.260
And this is this case is going to look familiar to you

01:00:57.260 --> 01:01:00.000
because this is the fourth time you've seen it this year.

01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:05.510
But each each item is a step in the process that that is

01:01:05.510 --> 01:01:07.000
necessary.

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This is a detailed plan that is located just off of State

01:01:10.989 --> 01:01:15.000
School Road near the boundary of the city of Corinth.

01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:18.539
This past couple of months, you've had two public hearings

01:01:18.539 --> 01:01:22.090
related to amending that boundary to be able to incorporate

01:01:22.090 --> 01:01:27.000
this additional point 2.9 acres into the city of Denton.

01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.650
The plan development essentially bifurcated the city of

01:01:30.650 --> 01:01:34.340
Denton and the city of Corinth boundaries. We have since

01:01:34.340 --> 01:01:38.000
made that boundary adjustment, as you can see here.

01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:43.190
And the full area of the detailed plan is now included in

01:01:43.190 --> 01:01:46.000
the city of Denton limits.

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As I indicated before, this is located just off of State

01:01:49.849 --> 01:01:53.099
School Road. It's near the intersection of Waterford Way

01:01:53.099 --> 01:01:54.000
and Winston Drive.

01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:59.039
On the area presented overhead, the overall yellow line

01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:03.000
represents the entire plan development.

01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:06.800
However, the small sliver on the southern boundary is the

01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:10.000
only piece incorporated in the detailed plan.

01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.300
The reason for that is that the rest of that plan

01:02:13.300 --> 01:02:16.000
development is in the floodplain.

01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:19.989
So this small sliver is the only part that will actually be

01:02:19.989 --> 01:02:21.000
developed.

01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:26.000
It is zoned as the plan development number 12.

01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:33.079
It is designated for residential low density in our future

01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:35.000
land use map.

01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:40.659
And this particular detailed plan calls for a cluster

01:02:40.659 --> 01:02:44.000
housing is the plan concept.

01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:49.119
And that plan concept was approved previously, but it is

01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:54.000
consistent with this future land use designation.

01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:57.019
We have considered the boundary adjustment agreement, which

01:02:57.019 --> 01:02:58.000
is now complete.

01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:01.500
The concept plan, which was approved in October of last

01:03:01.500 --> 01:03:04.000
year, calls for cluster housing,

01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:09.409
which is a residential development that the developer has

01:03:09.409 --> 01:03:14.699
defined in their concept plan to be anything less than six

01:03:14.699 --> 01:03:17.000
dwelling units per acre.

01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:21.000
This particular layout calls for 5.8.

01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:25.400
And so their detailed plan is consistent with their concept

01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:28.000
plan, which was approved in October.

01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:32.000
And it is consistent with the Denton plan 2030.

01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:34.510
The planning and zoning commission recommends approval

01:03:34.510 --> 01:03:37.000
seven to zero and staff recommends approval as well.

01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:41.000
And with that, I'll be glad to take any questions.

01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:47.559
Any questions for staff before we go to our public speakers

01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:48.000
?

01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:51.000
Seeing none. All right.

01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:54.000
We have a card, but of course, this is a public hearing.

01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:55.679
So anybody wishing to speak does not have to sign up for a

01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:56.000
card.

01:03:56.000 --> 01:04:03.000
But Mr. Willie Hutzpeth, you'll come down.

01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:04.000
I'll go get him.

01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:08.000
Okay.

01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:11.719
While we're waiting, if anybody else is wishing to speak on

01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:14.480
this agenda item, please come down and state your name and

01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:15.000
address.

01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:20.000
Anybody else wishing to speak on this agenda item 6A?

01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:21.000
All right.

01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:25.000
Well, we'll wait for Mr. Hutzpeth to come in.

01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:27.000
You got a question?

01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:30.000
Okay.

01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:31.000
We've got a question.

01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:34.000
Amy.

01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:37.880
So you said just the front part is going to be developed so

01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:42.000
the backspace, the floodplain is going to stay trees and --

01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:43.000
That's correct.

01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:46.219
The only piece incorporated in the plan are those eight

01:04:46.219 --> 01:04:48.000
lots and that small sliver.

01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:54.000
Thank you.

01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:56.409
Mr. Hutzpeth, just state your name and address for agenda

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item 6A.

01:04:57.000 --> 01:04:58.000
Thank you.

01:04:58.000 --> 01:05:00.000
We already know it, but for the record.

01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:01.000
My name is Willie Hutzpeth.

01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:03.000
I live at 620 Lee Newton.

01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:09.000
I'm here in council members.

01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:15.679
I'm concerned that I have a house on Bonnie Bray and these

01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:22.000
lines are going to come down through where my house is.

01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:26.369
I paid attention to what was told me that was going to

01:05:26.369 --> 01:05:30.000
happen with those transmission lines.

01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:32.000
Am I on the right one?

01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:36.610
Yeah, we're on 6A, which is a residential -- which is a

01:05:36.610 --> 01:05:39.000
planned development amendment.

01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:42.000
I believe yours was -- or the one you're speaking on.

01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:43.000
Which one is that?

01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:47.000
He's on 6B, but we're on 6A.

01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:53.429
Yeah, you did fill in a card for 6A, which is a -- 6A is

01:05:53.429 --> 01:05:57.000
adoption of an ordinance for amendment to a detailed plan.

01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:59.300
So if you'd like to speak on that, you're more than welcome

01:05:59.300 --> 01:06:01.000
, and if not, we'll get you on 6B.

01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:02.000
6B, thank you.

01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:03.000
Okay.

01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:05.000
Thank you, sir, very much.

01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:06.000
Okay.

01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:07.000
This is a public hearing.

01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:11.000
Anybody else wishing to speak on agenda item 6A?

01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:13.000
6A.

01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:16.000
Seeing none, I will close the public hearing.

01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:18.000
Councilmember Briggs?

01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:20.000
I make a motion to approve.

01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:21.000
All right, we have a motion.

01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:24.000
Councilmember Wasney?

01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:27.000
Second the motion.

01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:28.000
Second the motion.

01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:29.809
All right, we have a motion and a second for agenda item 6A

01:06:29.809 --> 01:06:30.000
.

01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:38.000
Let's vote on the board.

01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:40.000
Motion carries, 7-0.

01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:43.239
Agenda item 6B, hold a public hearing, consider approval of

01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:46.119
resolution for the proposed transmission line route for

01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:48.000
construction expansion and use of electric power

01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:50.000
transmission lines beginning on the Bonnie Bray substation

01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:52.000
of Dent Municipal Electric.

01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:53.000
Boy, my speech is flaring.

01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:54.000
It's getting so late.

01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:55.000
We've been here so long.

01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:56.000
I apologize.

01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:59.000
We will now open the public hearing for agenda item 6B.

01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:02.000
We have a staff presentation.

01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:03.000
Yes, I'm sorry.

01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:06.650
Let me invite Mr. Brent Heath to come and present his

01:07:06.650 --> 01:07:08.000
public hearing.

01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:11.000
Thank you, Mr. Heath.

01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:12.000
Thank you, George.

01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:31.000
Good evening, Mayor, Councilmembers.

01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:33.820
This public hearing is for the Bonnie Bray to North Lakes

01:07:33.820 --> 01:07:36.000
transmission line project that we have.

01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:39.679
I'm going to move to a slide to refresh everybody's memory

01:07:39.679 --> 01:07:41.000
where this is at.

01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:45.530
The red outer loop lines around the city of Denton here are

01:07:45.530 --> 01:07:50.730
the 138 kV transmission line system that we presently have

01:07:50.730 --> 01:07:52.000
in operate.

01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:57.219
The green circle inside of the red is our existing 69 kV

01:07:57.219 --> 01:08:00.000
transmission line system.

01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:03.230
This is the portion of our transmission system that's

01:08:03.230 --> 01:08:06.000
targeted to be converted to 138 kV.

01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:09.809
The project tonight in question for this public hearing is

01:08:09.809 --> 01:08:13.519
Bonnie Bray to North Lakes identified as number 5 in the

01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:16.000
top left-hand corner of this map.

01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:19.000
It's also identified here in the bottom right-hand corner,

01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:24.600
and it says that this is to replace aging structures and

01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:27.000
increase capacity.

01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:30.279
We do analysis and studies of our entire transmission

01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:31.000
system.

01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:34.729
One of the formal reports that we do each year required by

01:08:34.729 --> 01:08:37.000
NERC is a FERC 715 study.

01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:40.430
The FERC 715 study says we have to analyze the entire

01:08:40.430 --> 01:08:43.180
system, identify any weaknesses, and we must go ahead and

01:08:43.180 --> 01:08:48.350
figure out a way to upgrade the line to prevent any type of

01:08:48.350 --> 01:08:51.000
issues in the future.

01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:53.000
One of our engineering consultants is Power Engineers.

01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:57.029
This is a constraint map that they prepared that shows

01:08:57.029 --> 01:09:01.239
where the Bonnie Bray substation is at right in this area

01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:03.000
at the bottom of the map,

01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:06.359
and the North Lake substation in the top third of the map

01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:09.000
to help orient some other identifiers.

01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:12.000
This is I-35.

01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:17.140
This location in the bottom third is US 380 or University

01:09:17.140 --> 01:09:18.000
Drive.

01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:23.510
And up here in the north top is Loop 288, US 77, and Riney

01:09:23.510 --> 01:09:27.000
Road here with North Lake substation.

01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:31.069
Presently, we have the 69KV line that runs from Bonnie Bray

01:09:31.069 --> 01:09:36.300
substation up Bonnie Bray, past Windsor, up to North Lake

01:09:36.300 --> 01:09:38.000
substation.

01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:40.939
The reason for the constraints map is we need to try to

01:09:40.939 --> 01:09:43.760
figure out are there other ways that we can get from

01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:46.850
station to station and what would be obstructions that

01:09:46.850 --> 01:09:49.000
would potentially be in the way.

01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:53.909
And so the orange or dark yellow color here indicates resid

01:09:53.909 --> 01:09:57.000
ences or homes where people live.

01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:01.300
The area outlined in green is the city of Denton Park,

01:10:01.300 --> 01:10:03.000
North Lakes Park.

01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:06.989
It shows the blue route that I'll show in another map that

01:10:06.989 --> 01:10:10.989
's a little easier to see and some possible routes that I'll

01:10:10.989 --> 01:10:12.000
discuss.

01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:15.340
This map is a zoomed in area showing Bonnie Bray at the

01:10:15.340 --> 01:10:19.289
bottom, North Lake substation at the top, existing route

01:10:19.289 --> 01:10:22.000
runs straight up Bonnie Bray.

01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:24.979
We had a yellow route that was proposed that we wanted to

01:10:24.979 --> 01:10:28.039
have under consideration as well as an orange route and a

01:10:28.039 --> 01:10:29.000
green route.

01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:31.939
On the right hand side of this map, it's zoomed in from

01:10:31.939 --> 01:10:37.649
Windsor Avenue, which is halfway, about halfway between

01:10:37.649 --> 01:10:43.539
Bonnie Bray and North Lakes, a little bit closer from Winds

01:10:43.539 --> 01:10:46.000
or up to Rony Road.

01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:49.340
One of the things that our engineering consultant, Power

01:10:49.340 --> 01:10:52.680
Engineers, has requested that we do, that they do across

01:10:52.680 --> 01:10:56.010
the country, is to go ahead and do a matrix, talk about the

01:10:56.010 --> 01:10:59.000
pros and cons of each of these route options.

01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:01.939
So we identified nine different options that they said are

01:11:01.939 --> 01:11:06.000
typically used for transmission line, length of the routes,

01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.970
length of the right of way that would require new

01:11:08.970 --> 01:11:12.000
transmission line right of way or easements,

01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:15.430
how close is it to roads, how close to residences, other

01:11:15.430 --> 01:11:18.779
items, or any of the landowners of the property willing to

01:11:18.779 --> 01:11:22.000
negotiate or work with you on easements or land sales.

01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:27.369
So we have the blue route column, which is the existing

01:11:27.369 --> 01:11:28.000
route.

01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:31.729
We have the yellow transmission line route as proposed by

01:11:31.729 --> 01:11:37.000
one of the neighbors in the area, which is right here.

01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:39.789
And the orange route, which is the yellow route with a

01:11:39.789 --> 01:11:42.000
little variation at the northern end.

01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:46.000
And the green route, which is the yellow route with another

01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:47.000
variation.

01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:50.989
The items and numbers that are identified in bold font are

01:11:50.989 --> 01:11:54.000
some of the positive route indicators.

01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:57.039
An example of that would be this very first line item, the

01:11:57.039 --> 01:11:59.000
length of the alternate routes.

01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:05.140
The blue between Bonnebrae and North Lakes is 8,175 feet, 8

01:12:05.140 --> 01:12:10.600
,127 feet linear length between Bonnebrae down, way down

01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:14.000
here all the way at Bonnebrae to North Lakes.

01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:18.729
The yellow route would be 8,581, so you can tell there's a

01:12:18.729 --> 01:12:22.000
difference of 300 feet right there.

01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:24.960
The orange route would be a little bit further, and the

01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:27.000
green route is the longest route.

01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:29.300
And you can look down through each of these line items to

01:12:29.300 --> 01:12:31.000
see how they compare with each other.

01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:34.130
One of the things that I wanted to note at the bottom of

01:12:34.130 --> 01:12:37.569
this map is the apparent landowner's willingness to sell

01:12:37.569 --> 01:12:39.000
land for easement.

01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:43.079
The blue route, the existing route, is identified as yes,

01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:47.000
whereas the yellow, the orange, and the green are no.

01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:51.369
This is because on this map, if you look at the right-hand

01:12:51.369 --> 01:12:56.000
side, the yellow route, the orange route, and the green

01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:56.000
route,

01:12:56.000 --> 01:13:00.159
all of this land right here is owned by a single property

01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:05.000
owner, and the property owner would be the Razor families.

01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:08.800
And the Razor families said that they would prefer that it

01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:11.000
remain in its existing location,

01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:13.739
and they would be willing to sell some additional easement

01:13:13.739 --> 01:13:17.529
for the additional width that would be required between 69

01:13:17.529 --> 01:13:19.000
kV to 138 kV.

01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:23.199
Whereas, they said, since they own the property, their

01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:26.989
preference would not be to subdivide and split up the

01:13:26.989 --> 01:13:29.000
property that they own.

01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:33.399
We also have another home that's up here, southeast corner

01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:36.000
of Ronnie Road and Bonnie Bray.

01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:40.090
This homeowner has indicated through the second open house

01:13:40.090 --> 01:13:44.000
that they also are willing to negotiate with the city.

01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:49.000
We had, this was an involved process back in November 2013,

01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:51.100
we held the very first open house for the North Lake Sub

01:13:51.100 --> 01:13:54.000
station Project and the transmission line.

01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:58.000
We went to the Public Utility Board in January of 2014.

01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:01.000
At that time, during the public hearing at the PUB meeting,

01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:03.399
they recommended that we only move forward with the Sub

01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:05.000
station Project North Lakes,

01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:08.390
but postpone approving and recommending the transmission

01:14:08.390 --> 01:14:09.000
route.

01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:11.960
And that was because during the public hearing, the

01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:15.239
citizens, some of the homeowners got together and presented

01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:18.000
an alternate route that they would like to have analyzed.

01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:22.000
And so we moved forward only with the Substation Project,

01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:27.000
came to City Council February 2014, and it was approved.

01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:30.520
We had a second open house, which was promised at the

01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:33.819
Public Utility Board when they said that the transmission

01:14:33.819 --> 01:14:36.789
line would be delayed and put on hold to analyze the

01:14:36.789 --> 01:14:38.000
alternate routes.

01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:41.500
We had that on June the 29th, 2015 at the North Branch

01:14:41.500 --> 01:14:43.000
Library.

01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:47.560
And we held a Public Utility Board public hearing on August

01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:50.000
the 10th, 2015.

01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:53.989
And after that public hearing, the Public Utility Board

01:14:53.989 --> 01:14:58.220
recommended moving forward with the blue transmission line

01:14:58.220 --> 01:14:59.000
route.

01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:02.270
To give you some numbers on the open house summary, the

01:15:02.270 --> 01:15:05.000
meeting was on June the 29th.

01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:09.350
We held out June the 15th 141 notices to people that would

01:15:09.350 --> 01:15:12.869
be potentially affected within 500 feet of the transmission

01:15:12.869 --> 01:15:14.000
, any of the transmission line routes.

01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:20.199
18 people attended the meeting and we received back 12

01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:22.000
comment forms.

01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:25.340
One of the questions that was on the survey said, do you

01:15:25.340 --> 01:15:28.680
understand why the transmission line needs to be, why it's

01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:31.000
needed and why it needs to be rebuilt?

01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:34.800
100% of the people that responded to the survey said yes,

01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:36.000
they understood.

01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:39.090
It's kind of rare to get 100% of people to agree on

01:15:39.090 --> 01:15:42.390
anything, but they agreed that the lines there needs to be

01:15:42.390 --> 01:15:45.000
rebuilt and they understand the need.

01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:48.000
This is another question that was on the survey.

01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:53.350
If you look to the top left hand corner, the top two sites

01:15:53.350 --> 01:15:57.000
or routes, you can reference on the right hand side.

01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:01.239
The top two routes, the blue route and the green route were

01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:04.000
the two most strongly opposed routes.

01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:08.149
Whereas on the right hand side, the top two strongly

01:16:08.149 --> 01:16:13.000
supported routes was the yellow route and the blue route.

01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:17.689
So the blue route made it both strongly opposed and

01:16:17.689 --> 01:16:20.000
strongly supported.

01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:23.989
Here's some of the comments with quotes that came back from

01:16:23.989 --> 01:16:25.000
the surveys.

01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:27.979
Philip Baker, he's the representative for the Razor family,

01:16:27.979 --> 01:16:31.000
in quote, he said, we request the blue route, the existing

01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:33.609
route be used for the reconstruction of the transmission

01:16:33.609 --> 01:16:36.000
line along the east side of Bonnie Bray.

01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:39.859
Any of these routes would impact property that the Razor

01:16:39.859 --> 01:16:41.000
family is on.

01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:43.850
I'll let you read through these, but I'll highlight a

01:16:43.850 --> 01:16:45.000
couple of points.

01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:50.029
One of the comments said look at the aesthetic value and

01:16:50.029 --> 01:16:55.149
this goes down to the Razor Ranch property, so consider

01:16:55.149 --> 01:16:56.000
that.

01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:58.880
Another comment says the green line easement, which is the

01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:03.000
furthest east one, would take up most of their backyard.

01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:06.569
Most likely it would require them to move a building and

01:17:06.569 --> 01:17:10.239
that they think that the blue route would be the cheapest

01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:12.000
to run and to maintain.

01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:17.199
Another citizen came in and said be sure and consider the

01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:22.640
aesthetic impact, the visual impact, because the Razor

01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:25.000
Ranch shopping centers.

01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:27.409
Another citizen said I believe the blue option provides the

01:17:27.409 --> 01:17:29.550
least expensive option since the right of way has been

01:17:29.550 --> 01:17:31.000
established for many years.

01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:34.659
This original line has been in place since the early 60s

01:17:34.659 --> 01:17:37.000
and it's been there for many years.

01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:40.500
Another citizen said the house is on the corner of Bonnie

01:17:40.500 --> 01:17:42.000
Bray and Riney Road.

01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:44.699
The line would run right over their front door on their

01:17:44.699 --> 01:17:47.470
house and so there would be some easements that would be

01:17:47.470 --> 01:17:48.000
needed.

01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:50.960
And this is one of the landowners that through the second

01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:54.680
public hearing, excuse me, public open house, has indicated

01:17:54.680 --> 01:17:57.000
that they're willing to negotiate with the city.

01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:00.029
It's not only due to the transmission line, but they also

01:18:00.029 --> 01:18:02.720
are aware that on the mobility plan, at some point in the

01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:03.000
future,

01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:06.210
Bonnie Bray will be widened and also Riney Road will be

01:18:06.210 --> 01:18:07.000
widened.

01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:10.520
It's a secondary arterial and a collector street and they

01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:13.710
will be widened so they know that it will be squeezing

01:18:13.710 --> 01:18:17.000
their existing house from two different sides.

01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:19.960
So the next public involvement steps based on citizen

01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:23.390
comments from the two open houses, the positive indicators

01:18:23.390 --> 01:18:25.000
from the valuation matrix,

01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:28.109
the engineering factors, willingness of the impacted

01:18:28.109 --> 01:18:31.479
property owners to work with staff and PUB's recommendation

01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:34.000
during the public hearing for the blue option.

01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:37.000
DME recommends, staff recommends moving forward with the

01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:39.760
Bonnie Bray to North Lakes transmission line along the

01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:41.000
existing blue route.

01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:43.590
I'd be happy to answer any questions that you have now or

01:18:43.590 --> 01:18:45.000
after the citizens speak.

01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:47.000
Any questions for staff at this time?

01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:49.000
Will we go to speakers?

01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:54.000
Councilmember Wasney.

01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:59.550
So after Bonnie Bray is widened and we look at the center

01:18:59.550 --> 01:19:04.579
point of the road to the transmission line, there is a rule

01:19:04.579 --> 01:19:07.000
that said that's supposed to be 60 feet.

01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:08.000
Is that correct?

01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:12.800
And will this be 60 feet from the center point when the

01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:15.000
road has been widened?

01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:16.000
I'd like to be able to answer that question.

01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:18.220
I'm not an electrical engineer, not a civil engineer, and

01:19:18.220 --> 01:19:21.550
we have engineers at the city that actually do mobility

01:19:21.550 --> 01:19:23.000
plan and road projects.

01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:27.199
But the location of where the existing wood pole line is at

01:19:27.199 --> 01:19:31.750
is presently around 32 and a half feet east of the existing

01:19:31.750 --> 01:19:33.000
east curb line.

01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:36.810
And our new steel transmission pole line would be within

01:19:36.810 --> 01:19:40.779
two to three feet east of that, which would accommodate any

01:19:40.779 --> 01:19:43.000
future widening of Bonnie Bray.

01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:47.109
So I guess I come back to my question, is there a rule on

01:19:47.109 --> 01:19:51.770
the books that it's supposed to be 60 feet from the center

01:19:51.770 --> 01:19:53.000
of the road?

01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:58.000
And if it's not currently --

01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:01.000
You're talking 60 foot easement for the transmission line?

01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:04.000
Yeah, from where the pole and the transmission line --

01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:06.789
One of the things, the advantages of keep having a

01:20:06.789 --> 01:20:10.270
transmission line parallel to an existing roadway, which is

01:20:10.270 --> 01:20:13.359
one of the criteria in the evaluation matrix, is you don't

01:20:13.359 --> 01:20:16.000
have to have the full 75 foot width easement.

01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:19.649
You can utilize the road as a portion of that 75 foot eas

01:20:19.649 --> 01:20:23.069
ement and only need half of that or a little bit more than

01:20:23.069 --> 01:20:25.000
that on the property side.

01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:28.430
And so the 75 feet used to be the 60 feet when we were

01:20:28.430 --> 01:20:30.000
using 69 KV lines.

01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:33.000
So I'm not sure if that's what you're referring to.

01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:34.000
That answers my question.

01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:36.000
And then another question, too.

01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:39.869
You have a large portion of property to the east and a

01:20:39.869 --> 01:20:43.000
large portion of property to the west.

01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:46.430
Can you tell me approximately how many acres are on each

01:20:46.430 --> 01:20:47.000
side?

01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:51.359
I know that you said there was one owner primarily to the

01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:54.649
east, but I believe we have a large chunk of land to the

01:20:54.649 --> 01:20:58.819
west and we only have maybe three or four property owners

01:20:58.819 --> 01:21:00.000
on that side.

01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:08.000
Do those two pieces of land, are they similar in size?

01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:10.079
Could you help redirect me to which section of land that

01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:11.000
you're speaking of?

01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:15.000
This is north of Windsor to the east.

01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:19.109
We have one property owner that owns kind of the big chunk

01:21:19.109 --> 01:21:20.000
of land.

01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:24.300
And then we have three or four property owners to the west

01:21:24.300 --> 01:21:28.430
just trying to establish that there's kind of an equal

01:21:28.430 --> 01:21:34.210
portion of acreage to the west as there is to the east of

01:21:34.210 --> 01:21:39.000
land owners that will be impacted by the blue line.

01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:41.630
On all four of these routes, the blue route, the yellow

01:21:41.630 --> 01:21:44.600
route, the orange route, and the green route, all four of

01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:47.850
those would impact a single property owner of any of these

01:21:47.850 --> 01:21:49.000
route options.

01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:52.500
If you're asking could we move the line to the west side of

01:21:52.500 --> 01:21:56.010
Bonnie Bray, there are some large property owners over

01:21:56.010 --> 01:21:59.000
there as well and that didn't seem as viable.

01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:04.350
Just trying to establish that we do have a large tract to

01:22:04.350 --> 01:22:09.000
the east and we have a large tract to the west.

01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:11.000
I just want to establish that fact.

01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:16.000
Yes, that is correct.

01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:17.000
Any other questions?

01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:19.000
Oh yeah.

01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:20.000
Any other questions?

01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:21.000
Were you?

01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:23.000
Okay, I'm sorry.

01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:26.989
Any other questions for staff before we take citizen

01:22:26.989 --> 01:22:28.000
comments?

01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:30.000
Thank you.

01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:34.000
All right, we've got a green card which is the first.

01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:35.000
That's kind.

01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:39.699
And the green card represents that the speaker will be

01:22:39.699 --> 01:22:44.520
representing four or more people and will have additional

01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:45.000
time.

01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:47.939
The speaker will be Joyce Poole, so Joyce if you could come

01:22:47.939 --> 01:22:50.000
down and state your name and address.

01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:52.819
I've got the four people you're representing, obviously

01:22:52.819 --> 01:22:54.000
yourself included.

01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:58.270
John Smith, Dorothy Smith, Eric Fullerton, and Marla Full

01:22:58.270 --> 01:22:59.000
erton.

01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:00.649
If you all are here, could you just raise your hand just so

01:23:00.649 --> 01:23:01.000
we can.

01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:02.000
Okay, great.

01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:03.000
Come on down.

01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:05.819
And you do have, because you are representing several

01:23:05.819 --> 01:23:09.000
speakers, you do have ten minutes to speak if you need it.

01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:12.000
And if you don't, that's okay too.

01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:14.000
I may just talk in one minute.

01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:15.000
I'm nervous.

01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:16.000
No, you'll do fine.

01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:17.000
Let me think.

01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:21.199
And if you just state your name and address once you begin,

01:23:21.199 --> 01:23:23.000
your time will begin.

01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:25.000
My name is Joyce, excuse me.

01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:27.000
My name is Joyce Poole.

01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:31.000
I reside at 3021 North Bonny Bray.

01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:36.170
I am speaking primarily tonight for those of us who live on

01:23:36.170 --> 01:23:39.000
the west side of Bonny Bray.

01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:42.220
Those properties, the five of us who are here tonight are

01:23:42.220 --> 01:23:46.250
Mr. and Mrs. John Smith, Mr. and Mrs. Eric Fullerton, and

01:23:46.250 --> 01:23:47.000
myself.

01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:50.260
Four others were unable to attend due to illnesses in their

01:23:50.260 --> 01:23:55.930
families, Mr. and Mrs. Sean Smith, and Mr. and Mrs. Tim

01:23:55.930 --> 01:23:57.000
Duke.

01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:00.359
You've just already seen the map, but I'll leave it there

01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:01.000
anyway.

01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:08.069
In answer to Mrs. Wozni's question, the combined property

01:24:08.069 --> 01:24:13.510
totals facing Bonny Bray, owned by the people I've just

01:24:13.510 --> 01:24:17.000
named, comes to over 50 acres.

01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:25.000
Mr. Razor's land is about 48 total, just for the record.

01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:28.550
Each of the families are personally affected by the

01:24:28.550 --> 01:24:32.770
placement of the proposed transmission lines, not only in

01:24:32.770 --> 01:24:36.000
our daily living, so near the lines,

01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:41.550
but in a very decreased property value for, according to

01:24:41.550 --> 01:24:45.659
real estate, articles on residential properties being

01:24:45.659 --> 01:24:48.000
located near transmission lines.

01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:52.760
For most of our homes, we will be about 100 feet from our

01:24:52.760 --> 01:24:57.000
property to the lines, or the transmission lines.

01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:02.050
From the neighborhood meetings with DME, conversations and

01:25:02.050 --> 01:25:06.520
surveys, it becomes obvious that no one wanted these lines

01:25:06.520 --> 01:25:08.000
near their homes.

01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:13.000
It's not in my backyard, the old famous syndrome.

01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:17.270
In order to seek a compromise of the homes on Hardaway and

01:25:17.270 --> 01:25:21.539
those on Bonny Bray, we had proposed the placement of the

01:25:21.539 --> 01:25:28.000
lines along the yellow line, or the yellow to orange.

01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:33.000
It could go either or just straight through.

01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:39.000
Excuse me.

01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:46.000
In reviewing the survey results, which I have downloaded,

01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:50.180
in the materials I noted that three of the 12 people who

01:25:50.180 --> 01:25:54.000
took the survey, or responded to the survey,

01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:59.000
were not residents of this area at all.

01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:03.949
So when you combine the support, or strongly support

01:26:03.949 --> 01:26:09.159
options, the percentages of each of those options, it

01:26:09.159 --> 01:26:17.000
results in 71.1% for the orange, 44.4% for the blue,

01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:27.369
51.1% for the yellow, and 33.3% for the green, a huge 155%

01:26:27.369 --> 01:26:31.000
for anything but the blue.

01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:34.659
The Razor property representative has stated, "There are no

01:26:34.659 --> 01:26:37.949
plans for development on this land. It is just an

01:26:37.949 --> 01:26:40.000
investment property.

01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:43.489
There are approximately 48 acres, and they're currently

01:26:43.489 --> 01:26:45.000
used for ground crops."

01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:51.090
The 69 kilovolt line currently running along Bonny Bray are

01:26:51.090 --> 01:26:53.000
on wooden poles.

01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:57.880
They are set approximately 35 feet from the pole to the

01:26:57.880 --> 01:26:59.000
curb edge.

01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:02.279
And then if you went from the pole to the center line of

01:27:02.279 --> 01:27:06.420
the road, which I believe Ms. Wozni was indicating, that is

01:27:06.420 --> 01:27:11.800
currently between 55 and 60 feet, depending on which pole

01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:14.000
you measure from.

01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:19.270
We understand that a 60 to 75 foot distance is needed from

01:27:19.270 --> 01:27:24.000
the pole to the center line of a road for traffic safety.

01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:27.000
This is what we currently have.

01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:31.310
According to the mobility plan, Bonny Bray is scheduled for

01:27:31.310 --> 01:27:36.859
widening beginning in 2016 from I-35 to the south up to R

01:27:36.859 --> 01:27:43.000
iney Road, which is, well, you can see it there, up here.

01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:47.229
To Riney Road on the north, whether it will be a one lane

01:27:47.229 --> 01:27:52.000
or two lane seems not to be settled, per my own inquiries.

01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:55.989
This presents a major question concerning the placement of

01:27:55.989 --> 01:27:58.000
those transmission lines.

01:27:58.000 --> 01:28:01.989
DME has stated that the new lines could be placed three to

01:28:01.989 --> 01:28:05.989
five feet east of their current location, and that would

01:28:05.989 --> 01:28:08.000
allow for a road widening.

01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:12.050
That does not seem possible and still maintain the eas

01:28:12.050 --> 01:28:16.640
ements of a 60 plus foot needed to the center line of a road

01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:17.000
.

01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:22.279
It would seem even a minimum one lane road expansion would

01:28:22.279 --> 01:28:28.000
require the new poles to be placed 12 to 15 feet more to

01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:31.000
the east of the present poles.

01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:35.760
If a wider road is designed or an even greater distance may

01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:40.800
be needed or allowed for, then we have to again consider

01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:43.000
where that could be.

01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:47.649
Will there be a median that will increase a distance needed

01:28:47.649 --> 01:28:48.000
?

01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:52.010
As traffic continues to increase, going both to razor

01:28:52.010 --> 01:28:56.289
shopping areas, our parks and homes, it is prudent to make

01:28:56.289 --> 01:28:59.000
this easement allowance now.

01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:03.000
While this is still all undeveloped land.

01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:10.289
As traffic continues to increase, too often we have not

01:29:10.289 --> 01:29:15.890
used good foresight for our need for sufficient roads to

01:29:15.890 --> 01:29:20.000
handle the traffic as Denton continues to grow.

01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:24.760
We ask you tonight to please amend your resolution to show

01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:30.000
a commitment of a new transmission line placement 15 feet

01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:36.060
or more to the east of the current location of the lines

01:29:36.060 --> 01:29:38.000
rather than the three to five foot.

01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:41.800
I think that needs to be in black and white so that we feel

01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:45.000
comfortable as residents and taxpayers.

01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:49.869
I might add or remind that the council should know that ERC

01:29:49.869 --> 01:29:54.130
OT does pay a percentage of required easements for

01:29:54.130 --> 01:29:56.000
transmission lines.

01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:59.989
So the cost should be of minimal impact overall and does

01:29:59.989 --> 01:30:04.000
affect the greater good of Denton's future growth.

01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:07.590
We appreciate your time and consideration of these issues

01:30:07.590 --> 01:30:10.000
and I hope I've answered questions.

01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:11.000
Thank you.

01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:12.000
Any, see no questions.

01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:13.000
Thank you.

01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:14.000
Thank you, John.

01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:15.000
We got a question.

01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:17.000
We got questions flying all over the place now.

01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:18.000
Councilmember Johnson.

01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:19.000
I couldn't get the screen to work.

01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:22.000
Thank you so much for the detail.

01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:23.000
I do need one point of clarification.

01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:27.569
Did you say you would prefer that it's 15 or 50 feet to the

01:30:27.569 --> 01:30:30.000
east of the current location?

01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:31.000
15 minimum.

01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:34.859
But I think if you're going to consider there may be a two

01:30:34.859 --> 01:30:38.840
lane additional road width in the future, then you would

01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:42.350
need to double that and say 30 feet, probably 25 to 30 feet

01:30:42.350 --> 01:30:43.000
to the east.

01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:46.000
Where the current line is.

01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:47.000
Okay.

01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:48.000
Thank you.

01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:49.000
Okay.

01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:50.000
Councilmember Briggs.

01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:54.000
I just wanted to thank you for bringing it to my attention.

01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:57.039
When I was looking through the comments, I didn't

01:30:57.039 --> 01:31:00.600
necessarily see that there were that many in support of the

01:31:00.600 --> 01:31:03.000
blue line that did not live in the area.

01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:06.270
And I think that is vital for us to think about because

01:31:06.270 --> 01:31:09.760
when you go back to the chart of the graph, it strongly

01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:12.000
support and strongly disagree.

01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:16.439
If you take those out, it kind of changes the way that it

01:31:16.439 --> 01:31:17.000
is.

01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:20.649
And of those five and six people, three of those responders

01:31:20.649 --> 01:31:22.000
are not residents.

01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:23.000
Right.

01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:24.000
That's important.

01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:25.000
Thank you for that.

01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:26.000
Thank you.

01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:27.000
Mayor Pro Tem.

01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:29.000
My question is more for staff.

01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:33.199
When all of the citizen comments are done, I've heard

01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:37.789
people say something to the effect of the easement from the

01:31:37.789 --> 01:31:40.000
center line of the road.

01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:42.590
And I just need for staff to be prepared to give some

01:31:42.590 --> 01:31:44.000
clarification to that.

01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:47.989
I don't believe I've heard of requirements about center

01:31:47.989 --> 01:31:51.000
line when we're talking about easement.

01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:53.000
So I'll just want to get some clarification.

01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:54.000
Okay.

01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:58.000
Councilmember Wasney.

01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:03.609
I'd like council to consider a postponement on this until

01:32:03.609 --> 01:32:05.000
we do that.

01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:06.000
Well.

01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:12.000
Just to accommodate engineering to look at that 15 foot.

01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:14.859
That may be something we want to talk about after the

01:32:14.859 --> 01:32:16.000
public hearing.

01:32:16.000 --> 01:32:18.000
I mean, because you're talking about making a motion.

01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:19.000
Okay.

01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:21.000
So after that, after the public hearing.

01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:23.819
We can take a look at that and then discuss with staff some

01:32:23.819 --> 01:32:26.550
of the questions that we may have that might pertain to

01:32:26.550 --> 01:32:27.000
that.

01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:28.000
All right.

01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:30.000
That all the questions?

01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:31.000
Okay.

01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:32.000
All right.

01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:33.000
Thank you.

01:32:33.000 --> 01:32:34.000
Thank you for your time and consideration very much.

01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:36.000
All right.

01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:37.000
We've got a couple more.

01:32:37.000 --> 01:32:38.000
We've got another card.

01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:45.000
Mr. Willie Hutzpeth on agenda item 6B.

01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:46.000
Transmission lines.

01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:48.000
Name and address for the record please.

01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:49.000
Thank you.

01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:50.000
Willie Hutzpeth, 623 Newton.

01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:52.000
Would you put this up?

01:32:52.000 --> 01:32:54.000
This picture that's on the screen here.

01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:56.000
If you could pop the screen image back up.

01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:57.000
Thank you.

01:32:57.000 --> 01:32:58.000
Okay.

01:32:58.000 --> 01:32:59.000
Question.

01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:02.000
How far does that, this yellow.

01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:04.000
What street is this right here?

01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:05.000
Can you see that?

01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:07.000
No, you can't.

01:33:07.000 --> 01:33:08.000
I guess you can't see that.

01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:10.000
I think it's north of Windsor.

01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:11.000
I'm not.

01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:12.000
Oh, yes.

01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:13.000
I see it now.

01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:14.000
Windsor.

01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:15.000
Okay.

01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:24.000
And the, I am not for the green.

01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:29.250
For obvious reasons, wherever the transmission line will

01:33:29.250 --> 01:33:33.000
affect individual properties naturally,

01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:38.140
you wouldn't want them there because of the disruption and

01:33:38.140 --> 01:33:40.000
property values.

01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:46.210
I own the piece right to the, that would be east of the

01:33:46.210 --> 01:33:48.000
green line.

01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:50.000
That's my property.

01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:51.000
Right?

01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:54.000
East of the green line.

01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:56.000
And I would not be for that.

01:33:56.000 --> 01:34:01.439
But it's just because it's my property and I want to move

01:34:01.439 --> 01:34:03.000
there or do something with it.

01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:06.720
And I don't want, I wouldn't want a transmission line there

01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:07.000
.

01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:10.470
Are these lines above ground or underground that they're

01:34:10.470 --> 01:34:13.000
going to be replacing within the blue?

01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:14.000
It's above ground?

01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:15.000
I believe so.

01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:17.000
We'll make sure we clarify that with staff.

01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:18.000
All right.

01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:22.000
And there are lines already in the blue.

01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:26.000
They would just be upgrading those lines, right?

01:34:26.000 --> 01:34:27.000
Okay.

01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:29.000
Yeah, I would not be for the green or the orange.

01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:30.000
Thank you.

01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:31.000
All right.

01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:32.000
Thank you.

01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:33.000
Public hearing, anybody else wishing to speak?

01:34:33.000 --> 01:34:36.119
I have a blue card, but it was wishing to speak last, so I

01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:40.449
want to call anybody else that has a desire to speak on

01:34:40.449 --> 01:34:41.000
this agenda item.

01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:42.000
This is a public hearing.

01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:44.000
Whether or not you fill out a blue card.

01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:46.000
Oh, Councilmember Rodin.

01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:49.000
Oh, we've got one more.

01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:51.000
I just want to, anybody else wishing to speak?

01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:55.000
We've got one card left.

01:34:55.000 --> 01:35:02.369
Mr. Philip Baker, if you'll come down and state your name

01:35:02.369 --> 01:35:07.000
and address, your time will begin.

01:35:07.000 --> 01:35:12.000
Philip Baker, 400 West Oak Street, Suite 200 Denton, Texas.

01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:16.000
Good evening, Mayor, Council.

01:35:16.000 --> 01:35:19.000
I represent Razor Investments, the owner of the property,

01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:23.000
and it's more like 55 acres and not 45.

01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:26.000
And it adjoins your property, this North Lakes Park.

01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:31.000
We share a common boundary on the west side.

01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:34.489
DME approached me several years ago and asked my opinion on

01:35:34.489 --> 01:35:38.579
this, and my first reaction was that it seems like those

01:35:38.579 --> 01:35:41.000
poles need to go back right where they are.

01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:44.000
Tony Bray's a major corridor.

01:35:44.000 --> 01:35:47.430
That's where you would want to locate things like this

01:35:47.430 --> 01:35:51.000
infrastructure in the least invasive way possible.

01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:54.000
And my reaction was they ought to just go back there.

01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:57.300
But I did tell them that if there was some compelling

01:35:57.300 --> 01:36:01.079
reason that the city or good engineering dictated another

01:36:01.079 --> 01:36:04.000
direction, I'd be open to listening to it.

01:36:04.000 --> 01:36:07.520
And they came back to me and indicated that from all their

01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:11.239
analysis, those poles needed to go back where my reaction

01:36:11.239 --> 01:36:14.000
was in the first, right where they are.

01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:19.689
So having said that, I'm not in favor of any of the other

01:36:19.689 --> 01:36:21.000
options.

01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:25.050
I don't think they're good for us, and I don't think they

01:36:25.050 --> 01:36:29.000
're good for the city of Denton in North Lakes Park.

01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:34.220
The easement on Bonnie Bray, and I think I'm right about

01:36:34.220 --> 01:36:39.000
this, my understanding is it's going to be 75 feet wide

01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:41.000
because these poles are big.

01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:44.340
And that's the center. They would be on the center line of

01:36:44.340 --> 01:36:45.000
75 feet.

01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:49.930
So for us, that's the least impact because part of Bonnie

01:36:49.930 --> 01:36:54.000
Bray will share that 75 foot easement.

01:36:54.000 --> 01:37:00.000
So the corridor will be not as negative for us.

01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:04.100
Now, if you want to go that yellow route, that is a big

01:37:04.100 --> 01:37:05.000
impact.

01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:09.000
There is already adjacent to your west boundary line, our E

01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:11.000
inside our property line.

01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:15.930
There's a 30 foot water line easement that has a 40 inch

01:37:15.930 --> 01:37:20.000
diameter water line in it that travels.

01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:23.359
It's in our property, but it's right adjacent to your

01:37:23.359 --> 01:37:26.859
boundary line, and it cuts across the north end of North

01:37:26.859 --> 01:37:29.000
Lakes to get somewhere north.

01:37:29.000 --> 01:37:31.279
So that's there. So this would have to, if you'd follow

01:37:31.279 --> 01:37:34.000
that yellow route, this would have to be right beside it.

01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:37.560
So you're talking about now 100 feet wide width. It's going

01:37:37.560 --> 01:37:41.439
to impact that property, our property, and there's going to

01:37:41.439 --> 01:37:42.000
be a negative impact.

01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:46.479
And that's going to cost. That's going to carry a cost with

01:37:46.479 --> 01:37:47.000
it.

01:37:47.000 --> 01:37:50.229
And then if you want to go north and split the property at

01:37:50.229 --> 01:37:54.000
the north end in two pieces, you're adding dollars.

01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:57.220
I mean, I don't want to get in a fight with you, but this

01:37:57.220 --> 01:38:00.239
is just not good land management to cut that into two

01:38:00.239 --> 01:38:01.000
pieces.

01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:04.829
And it's not, it is an investment property. It's not just

01:38:04.829 --> 01:38:08.000
an investment. It's held for investment.

01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:12.399
We don't have any plans, but nonetheless, that doesn't mean

01:38:12.399 --> 01:38:16.199
you want to wreck it in the meantime, as anybody would

01:38:16.199 --> 01:38:17.000
guess.

01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:23.560
So, and then I think the one big factor is you've cut that

01:38:23.560 --> 01:38:27.319
whole cloth in two pieces and North Lake Park is negatively

01:38:27.319 --> 01:38:28.000
impacted.

01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:31.989
I don't know what the future holds for that part, but there

01:38:31.989 --> 01:38:35.989
's some of that land, maybe one day might look practical as

01:38:35.989 --> 01:38:37.000
part of the park.

01:38:37.000 --> 01:38:40.710
I don't think you're going to want electrical lines cutting

01:38:40.710 --> 01:38:45.409
it in two pieces. It's not practical and it's not good long

01:38:45.409 --> 01:38:47.000
term thinking.

01:38:47.000 --> 01:38:51.060
I think the obvious answer here is to put it up the blue

01:38:51.060 --> 01:38:53.000
route or DME wants it.

01:38:53.000 --> 01:38:57.899
I think it's the proper place as a landowner. And yeah, I

01:38:57.899 --> 01:39:01.449
mean, nobody wants this, but gee whiz, we all need

01:39:01.449 --> 01:39:06.000
electricity and this is part of what we need to function.

01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:12.600
So I think that's the best route guys. And if you have any

01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:14.000
questions, I'll answer them.

01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:18.260
I mean, I told DME I wouldn't fight them on that yellow

01:39:18.260 --> 01:39:23.000
route, but you know, I didn't think they liked the numbers

01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:25.819
because they're going to, it's going to be millions added

01:39:25.819 --> 01:39:29.000
to it to cut that property up and damage it that way.

01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:32.810
So I don't think it makes sense for the rate payers or the

01:39:32.810 --> 01:39:34.000
city to do it.

01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:39.409
So any questions for the speaker? I see none. Thank you

01:39:39.409 --> 01:39:43.000
very much. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you.

01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:45.539
This is I believe that was if we didn't have anybody else

01:39:45.539 --> 01:39:50.840
wishing to speak at least. So I will now close the public

01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:53.000
hearing.

01:39:53.000 --> 01:39:59.000
Councilmember Wasney.

01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:04.029
So it sounds like blue line, but what I would ask the

01:40:04.029 --> 01:40:09.000
council to consider would be to postpone this.

01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:16.689
So engineering could study a 15 foot movement of this

01:40:16.689 --> 01:40:24.550
transmission line to accommodate the families that are in

01:40:24.550 --> 01:40:29.000
the audience who came up to speak.

01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:33.520
If we're going to say blue line, I think it's a really good

01:40:33.520 --> 01:40:37.779
compromise to say let's accommodate and create just a

01:40:37.779 --> 01:40:43.000
little bit more distance for these people and add 15 feet.

01:40:43.000 --> 01:40:48.680
But to do a motion tonight without engineering weighing in

01:40:48.680 --> 01:40:53.760
on it. So I would indulge council and indulge DME to

01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:59.229
consider that study and then bring it back to council with

01:40:59.229 --> 01:41:06.359
a report on that 15 feet moving the blue line to the east

01:41:06.359 --> 01:41:09.000
15 feet.

01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:13.699
Okay. Councilmember Wasney, is that a of course we've got

01:41:13.699 --> 01:41:15.789
some questions, some people wishing to speak that may

01:41:15.789 --> 01:41:18.670
address some of these questions that we've had about center

01:41:18.670 --> 01:41:22.000
line and easements and those kind of things, I'm assuming.

01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:26.140
But you didn't state it this way. But were you was that a

01:41:26.140 --> 01:41:30.680
motion or was that simply a request? So I just want to give

01:41:30.680 --> 01:41:32.000
you the opportunity to clarify that.

01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:35.000
It's a request of council to consider this.

01:41:35.000 --> 01:41:41.100
Okay. All right. Okay. We'll, we'll take that into

01:41:41.100 --> 01:41:44.430
consideration. Not being a motion then we don't really vote

01:41:44.430 --> 01:41:47.000
on it. Okay. Councilmember Rodin.

01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:50.340
Thank you, Mayor. I do have some questions to address some

01:41:50.340 --> 01:41:53.680
of these questions that have been raised. So I guess for

01:41:53.680 --> 01:41:56.000
whoever in staff who can best address it.

01:41:56.000 --> 01:42:00.409
There's this question about this supposed regulation that

01:42:00.409 --> 01:42:05.340
would keep a transmission line pole 60 to 75 feet. I think

01:42:05.340 --> 01:42:08.659
I heard a couple different distances between that pole and

01:42:08.659 --> 01:42:11.000
the center line of a street.

01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:13.000
Can you speak to that regulation?

01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:16.430
Well, that was probably why I looked a little bit confused

01:42:16.430 --> 01:42:20.000
because I'm not aware of that ordinance that way. Now, the

01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:23.510
number 60 is used and we do have in the development code a

01:42:23.510 --> 01:42:26.819
60 foot transmission line easement which is what we used

01:42:26.819 --> 01:42:28.000
for 69 kV.

01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:30.760
And the poles are typically placed in the center of that

01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:33.699
easement and it's defined actually within the document is

01:42:33.699 --> 01:42:36.600
30 foot either side of the center line. So if it's a two

01:42:36.600 --> 01:42:39.000
pole structure, it'd be the middle of the two poles.

01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:42.340
Now for 138 kV and everything we're doing moving forward,

01:42:42.340 --> 01:42:45.859
it's 75 foot which is 37 and a half foot. An additional

01:42:45.859 --> 01:42:49.000
seven and a half foot either side of the center line.

01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:50.649
Now that's the center line of the pole. That is not the

01:42:50.649 --> 01:42:53.760
center line of the street. And I have never heard that

01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:55.000
until tonight.

01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:58.579
Right. So that's kind of what I figured because it seems

01:42:58.579 --> 01:43:01.550
like we tend to put these things right up next to streets

01:43:01.550 --> 01:43:04.920
in those cases because of it seems to be a better land use

01:43:04.920 --> 01:43:08.000
determination we've got next to right away like that anyway

01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:08.000
.

01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:12.359
Versus pushing it into a property. So okay, that helps. And

01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:16.840
so currently, what do we have there? Do you have any

01:43:16.840 --> 01:43:20.000
pictures of what what the lines actually look like?

01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:33.000
I do.

01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:38.000
I'll just zip through these.

01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:40.779
This is a picture of the line when it's laying horizontally

01:43:40.779 --> 01:43:44.899
. Typically it's vertical. This was some straight line winds

01:43:44.899 --> 01:43:47.659
that blew over the this is exactly the same line that we're

01:43:47.659 --> 01:43:49.000
talking about here tonight.

01:43:49.000 --> 01:43:53.590
Back in May of 2003, we had a microburst a straight line

01:43:53.590 --> 01:43:56.619
wind and it caused these wooden poles that were along

01:43:56.619 --> 01:44:00.279
Bonnie Bray to fall over eastward or eastward into the park

01:44:00.279 --> 01:44:02.000
on the east side of Bonnie Bray.

01:44:02.000 --> 01:44:05.680
And what's actually rather ironic and very, very fortunate

01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:09.149
is the house that you see in this picture, the White House

01:44:09.149 --> 01:44:12.539
in the center of the picture is the Collinsworth House,

01:44:12.539 --> 01:44:16.000
which is at the corner of Riney Road and Bonnie Bray.

01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:18.880
This is the house that says that they will be squeezed in

01:44:18.880 --> 01:44:21.880
by the widening of Bonnie Bray and Riney Road and that they

01:44:21.880 --> 01:44:25.039
are willing to transact with VME for this transmission line

01:44:25.039 --> 01:44:26.000
easement.

01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:29.239
As you can tell, the poles are still standing vertical

01:44:29.239 --> 01:44:32.600
about two to three poles south of the house. So they were

01:44:32.600 --> 01:44:35.600
very, very fortunate and spared and we were very lucky that

01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:37.000
the wind hit where it did.

01:44:37.000 --> 01:44:40.010
But I do have some other pictures where they're standing up

01:44:40.010 --> 01:44:42.699
more vertical. After this line fell down, we did have to

01:44:42.699 --> 01:44:44.899
get it back up so we could supply electric power to the

01:44:44.899 --> 01:44:46.000
customers in Denton.

01:44:46.000 --> 01:44:49.989
Here's a picture of what was involved with putting the new

01:44:49.989 --> 01:44:52.000
poles back along Bonnie Bray.

01:44:52.000 --> 01:44:54.899
And to show you the type of structure that will be put in

01:44:54.899 --> 01:44:57.659
in place, we have been building some transmission

01:44:57.659 --> 01:45:00.000
infrastructure here in town recently.

01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.539
And one of the new poles that we put up on Paisley Road is

01:45:02.539 --> 01:45:06.210
this picture right here. This is what we're proposing to

01:45:06.210 --> 01:45:10.510
put in the existing line location, the blue route, actually

01:45:10.510 --> 01:45:13.399
a little bit further away from the houses eastward, three

01:45:13.399 --> 01:45:16.000
to five feet from where the existing wood poles are at.

01:45:16.000 --> 01:45:19.670
Personally, my opinion is it's a little cleaner looking

01:45:19.670 --> 01:45:23.649
structure, definitely a lot more structural integrity to it

01:45:23.649 --> 01:45:27.010
. We'll withstand those winds and it gives us a lot more

01:45:27.010 --> 01:45:30.239
capability to support the aging growth and system growth

01:45:30.239 --> 01:45:33.000
and aging infrastructure here in Denton.

01:45:33.000 --> 01:45:36.510
Will you be keeping up any of the wood poles? I noticed on

01:45:36.510 --> 01:45:38.920
one of your, one of the pictures there, the first one where

01:45:38.920 --> 01:45:40.899
they're falling over, you had kind of the smaller

01:45:40.899 --> 01:45:42.970
distribution pole and then you had kind of the larger

01:45:42.970 --> 01:45:44.000
transmission one.

01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:47.989
Will anything of the wood be remaining once you put in

01:45:47.989 --> 01:45:51.000
these new and improved middle lines?

01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:54.149
There will not. Actually this wood pole, the distribution,

01:45:54.149 --> 01:45:56.960
this is the transmission pole that's actually been broken,

01:45:56.960 --> 01:45:59.579
part of it's on the ground, part of it's still in the air,

01:45:59.579 --> 01:46:01.000
so it's been splintered.

01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:02.000
Gotcha.

01:46:02.000 --> 01:46:04.760
And so there will not be any wood poles along Bonnie Bray

01:46:04.760 --> 01:46:07.000
in this area with the new steel pole line.

01:46:07.000 --> 01:46:08.000
Thanks.

01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:10.000
Mayor Pro Tem.

01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:13.000
Could you go to that center picture, the middle picture?

01:46:13.000 --> 01:46:18.000
So right now I'm trying to do some calculations.

01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:24.100
That sidewalk is about four feet wide and it's about three

01:46:24.100 --> 01:46:26.000
feet from the curb.

01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:30.479
And so right now those poles are probably 12, 15 feet back

01:46:30.479 --> 01:46:34.399
from the curb and you're talking about going five feet more

01:46:34.399 --> 01:46:38.000
back from the curb just for the current proposal.

01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:39.000
Is that correct?

01:46:39.000 --> 01:46:44.939
I actually do have a survey drawn that we have one of our

01:46:44.939 --> 01:46:50.750
other consultants work up and if I may I'd like to show

01:46:50.750 --> 01:46:53.000
that to you here.

01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:56.380
This is at Bonnie Bray and over in this area is the road

01:46:56.380 --> 01:46:59.000
that goes into the North Lakes Park.

01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:02.729
Ms. Poole's house is across the street kind of in this area

01:47:02.729 --> 01:47:03.000
.

01:47:03.000 --> 01:47:06.000
There is not a pole directly in front of her house.

01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:09.090
The pole is south of the road and there's another pole

01:47:09.090 --> 01:47:12.000
further north here as shown at that location.

01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:15.000
These would be the poles that are presently there.

01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:19.210
The 42 and a half feet, which would be the new easement

01:47:19.210 --> 01:47:23.369
that we would be requesting from the property owner, would

01:47:23.369 --> 01:47:26.930
allow us to get the 75 foot width here with the poles in

01:47:26.930 --> 01:47:30.000
the center of that 75 foot.

01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:33.810
The center line of the street has nothing to do with that

01:47:33.810 --> 01:47:35.000
75 foot.

01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:39.479
It's so it does show the 32 and a half 32.3 feet from the

01:47:39.479 --> 01:47:42.000
curb to the existing pole locations.

01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:43.000
Okay, Councilmember Hawkins.

01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:46.359
Yeah, and going along Bonnie Bray how far apart are the

01:47:46.359 --> 01:47:47.000
poles.

01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:50.699
They're typically around 300 feet spacing, they can vary

01:47:50.699 --> 01:47:54.670
from 250 to 350 depending on streets structures that you

01:47:54.670 --> 01:47:57.000
need to have you can't really adjust.

01:47:57.000 --> 01:48:00.000
But you know, typically 300 feet.

01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:04.000
How about those wood poles that are there right now.

01:48:04.000 --> 01:48:07.000
They're probably a little bit closer than that.

01:48:07.000 --> 01:48:09.000
Okay, just a little bit.

01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:10.000
Yeah, not not much.

01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:13.000
So it's going to be the same number of poles, ultimately.

01:48:13.000 --> 01:48:14.000
Essentially the same.

01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:15.000
Okay.

01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:16.000
Councilmember Briggs.

01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:18.000
That was my same question.

01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:20.779
I was curious about the number going in as far as the

01:48:20.779 --> 01:48:22.000
number going out.

01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:24.000
It's about equal.

01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:24.000
Right.

01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:26.819
We have the preliminary designs on this, but we wanted to

01:48:26.819 --> 01:48:29.789
get a route selection decision and then we will finalize

01:48:29.789 --> 01:48:33.000
the designs and it's possible we could save a few poles.

01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:36.000
Councilmember Wasney.

01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:43.250
So to confirm, we're looking at five to seven feet past

01:48:43.250 --> 01:48:45.000
where the poles are currently.

01:48:45.000 --> 01:48:46.000
Is that right?

01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:48.000
I would say between three to five feet.

01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:50.000
Three to five.

01:48:50.000 --> 01:48:54.350
That's why the 42 and a half feet allows you a five foot

01:48:54.350 --> 01:48:58.550
room to put the new pole in and still have 37 and a half

01:48:58.550 --> 01:49:00.000
feet past that.

01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:07.279
I think maybe some of the discussion of the center line of

01:49:07.279 --> 01:49:12.210
the road gets sort of not confused, but when you talk of

01:49:12.210 --> 01:49:15.449
right of way on a road, you measure from the center line of

01:49:15.449 --> 01:49:17.000
the road out when you're measuring.

01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:20.000
It's my understanding for right of way.

01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:22.590
So I can understand how that could be sometimes interchange

01:49:22.590 --> 01:49:23.000
able.

01:49:23.000 --> 01:49:25.720
Whereas with the easement for a transmission line you

01:49:25.720 --> 01:49:28.550
measure from the center line of the easement is where you

01:49:28.550 --> 01:49:31.000
want to place your, your infrastructure.

01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:32.000
That is correct.

01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:33.000
Okay.

01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:36.000
Councilmember Johnson.

01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:37.000
Thank you, Mayor.

01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:41.819
Well, I appreciate all the discussion, but I'm going to

01:49:41.819 --> 01:49:44.000
make a motion to approve.

01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:46.000
I don't think it makes sense to delay it.

01:49:46.000 --> 01:49:50.779
And to me, I think Mr. Baker made the most sense, which is

01:49:50.779 --> 01:49:53.000
you already have poles.

01:49:53.000 --> 01:49:56.750
So we're putting poles, new and improved poles right back

01:49:56.750 --> 01:49:59.000
where existing old poles were.

01:49:59.000 --> 01:50:01.000
They're safer.

01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:05.130
I mean, obviously, no matter when you put power lines in,

01:50:05.130 --> 01:50:09.020
you're going to upset somebody, but just from a, from a

01:50:09.020 --> 01:50:13.180
land use standpoint and from from an economic standpoint to

01:50:13.180 --> 01:50:16.000
me, you already have poles there.

01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:19.670
So to me, that's the that's the logical place to put them,

01:50:19.670 --> 01:50:23.000
rather than creating a whole new line to the east.

01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:28.000
So I'm going to move approval of item 6B.

01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:33.319
All right, Councilmember Roden and then Councilmember Haw

01:50:33.319 --> 01:50:35.000
kins will come to you.

01:50:35.000 --> 01:50:37.199
Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to second that, but just a

01:50:37.199 --> 01:50:38.000
quick comment.

01:50:38.000 --> 01:50:40.010
You know, a lot of times when we're looking at these

01:50:40.010 --> 01:50:42.529
transmission lines, we're looking at kind of trying to

01:50:42.529 --> 01:50:44.880
forge brand new paths where there otherwise weren't

01:50:44.880 --> 01:50:48.000
transmission lines or nothing altogether.

01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:50.000
And that is a much more difficult discussion.

01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:53.000
In this case, we have existing transmission lines.

01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:56.189
And to me, on a street like Bonnie Bray, this is on the

01:50:56.189 --> 01:50:59.569
opposite side of the street from the homeowners that are

01:50:59.569 --> 01:51:02.000
that are going to be impacted by it.

01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:04.859
It seems like it's the best option instead of charting a

01:51:04.859 --> 01:51:06.000
new path for this.

01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:08.000
So I'm going to second this motion.

01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:09.000
All right, Councilmember Hawkins.

01:51:09.000 --> 01:51:11.000
Just one more technical question.

01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:12.000
I'm sorry.

01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:14.880
The actual lines themselves, are they going to be higher

01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:17.000
off the ground than with the wood poles?

01:51:17.000 --> 01:51:18.000
Yes, sir, they will be.

01:51:18.000 --> 01:51:19.000
How much higher?

01:51:19.000 --> 01:51:22.119
Probably 10 feet or so, I'm going to be determined in the

01:51:22.119 --> 01:51:25.000
final design, but they will be a little taller poles.

01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:28.010
And as you saw in the picture, I mean, it's a lot better

01:51:28.010 --> 01:51:31.000
ground clearance than what we have had in the past.

01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:32.000
Okay.

01:51:32.000 --> 01:51:35.000
So I think it's a little less visible up higher.

01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:37.000
One real quick question.

01:51:37.000 --> 01:51:41.380
So there's no ancillary infrastructure attachment or pole

01:51:41.380 --> 01:51:46.000
attachments to our current poles like cable, telephone.

01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:49.000
There's no other pole attachments that if, you know,

01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:52.000
because I know we've had issues with them not removing

01:51:52.000 --> 01:51:53.000
those pole attachments.

01:51:53.000 --> 01:51:55.680
So we've had to cut like on Bonnie Bray in front of between

01:51:55.680 --> 01:51:58.699
35 and scripture, the new metal poles are in and then the

01:51:58.699 --> 01:52:00.930
wood poles are there cut off at the top that still hold

01:52:00.930 --> 01:52:02.000
those pole attachments.

01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:03.000
Is that not going to be the case here?

01:52:03.000 --> 01:52:05.500
These wood poles there, any infrastructure, other

01:52:05.500 --> 01:52:08.210
communication companies will be relocated to the new pole

01:52:08.210 --> 01:52:11.000
because they're so close to where the other poles were.

01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:12.000
Good.

01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:13.000
All right.

01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:14.000
Fantastic.

01:52:14.000 --> 01:52:16.000
So that will be done by whom?

01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:19.000
That'll be done by our transmission contractor Chapman.

01:52:19.000 --> 01:52:20.000
Okay.

01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:21.710
So it's not like we're waiting on the telecommunication,

01:52:21.710 --> 01:52:23.000
the communication companies to do it.

01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:24.000
It will be done.

01:52:24.000 --> 01:52:26.489
Only if there is a riser that goes down it or something, we

01:52:26.489 --> 01:52:29.119
will have to coordinate that with either Verizon or charter

01:52:29.119 --> 01:52:31.000
if there's risers going down a pole.

01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:32.000
Okay.

01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:33.000
Good.

01:52:33.000 --> 01:52:34.000
Thank you.

01:52:34.000 --> 01:52:35.000
All right.

01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:37.319
So we have a motion and a second for approval on agenda

01:52:37.319 --> 01:52:38.000
item 6B.

01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:51.000
Let's vote on the board, please.

01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:54.000
Motion carries 5-2.

01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:56.750
We'll go on to agenda item 6C, which is hold a public

01:52:56.750 --> 01:53:00.279
hearing and receive citizen input on FY215-16 proposed

01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:01.000
budget.

01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:04.720
I will now open the public hearing to accommodate staff

01:53:04.720 --> 01:53:06.000
presentation.

01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:08.000
Thank you, Mayor.

01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:10.350
I'm going to ask Mr. Chuck Springer, our director of

01:53:10.350 --> 01:53:13.000
finance, if he will present the budget public hearing.

01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:18.000
Thank you, Chuck.

01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:21.000
Thank you, Mayor, members of the council.

01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:25.029
This is a requirement of the city charter and under state

01:53:25.029 --> 01:53:29.000
law to hold a public hearing on the proposed budget.

01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:34.130
Just to give a brief summary of the proposed budget in

01:53:34.130 --> 01:53:40.010
terms of proposed dollars, the operating budget is proposed

01:53:40.010 --> 01:53:44.000
expenditures of 557.7 million,

01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:49.000
5.3 million of grants and the capital improvement program,

01:53:49.000 --> 01:53:58.000
402.3 million for a total proposed budget of 965 million.

01:53:58.000 --> 01:54:01.989
With that, I'll answer any questions the council may have

01:54:01.989 --> 01:54:05.000
over the budget and open up the public hearing.

01:54:05.000 --> 01:54:07.000
Oh, did I forget to?

01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:16.000
Okay.

01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:20.409
All right. Any questions for staff before we open it up for

01:54:20.409 --> 01:54:22.000
public speakers?

01:54:22.000 --> 01:54:24.000
Seeing none.

01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:29.000
We have a card. Mr. Woody Husband, if you'd like to come.

01:54:29.000 --> 01:54:32.000
Okay. All right. Thank you.

01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:35.649
Any other people wishing to speak on the budget on this

01:54:35.649 --> 01:54:37.000
public hearing?

01:54:37.000 --> 01:54:40.000
Anybody wishing to speak?

01:54:40.000 --> 01:54:43.000
Do we close?

01:54:43.000 --> 01:54:45.000
We close it? I mean, this is just a regular public hearing?

01:54:45.000 --> 01:54:47.000
Okay.

01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:48.000
Okay.

01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:49.000
Last time.

01:54:49.000 --> 01:54:52.000
Seeing none, we will now close the public hearing.

01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:57.000
And we don't take any action on this.

01:54:57.000 --> 01:55:03.000
We will take action on this agenda item on the 15th.

01:55:03.000 --> 01:55:06.000
So, Madam City Attorney, how do I go back and put these --

01:55:06.000 --> 01:55:09.630
do I just go ahead and call that public -- it's been closed

01:55:09.630 --> 01:55:10.000
.

01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:12.000
The public hearing has been closed.

01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:15.000
What do I need to do to get these cards in the record?

01:55:15.000 --> 01:55:17.000
This was on the --

01:55:17.000 --> 01:55:18.000
6B.

01:55:18.000 --> 01:55:21.000
6B. And these individuals did not desire to speak?

01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:24.800
I think at this point in time, just reference the agenda

01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:28.390
item, point out the speakers, and put those back into the

01:55:28.390 --> 01:55:29.000
record.

01:55:29.000 --> 01:55:30.000
All right. Thank you.

01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:33.430
We did have some cards wishing not to speak on agenda item

01:55:33.430 --> 01:55:34.000
6B.

01:55:34.000 --> 01:55:40.750
First name is Elizabeth Puez, is in support of the blue

01:55:40.750 --> 01:55:42.000
route.

01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:46.000
Claudio Ruiz is in support of the blue route.

01:55:46.000 --> 01:55:55.000
And Deborah Collinsworth was in support of -- yes.

01:55:55.000 --> 01:55:57.939
And if the blue line runs where it's supposed to run, which

01:55:57.939 --> 01:56:00.000
I will be willing to negotiate to sell.

01:56:00.000 --> 01:56:07.000
And Ruiz is at 3309 Hardaway Road and 3301 Hardaway Road.

01:56:07.000 --> 01:56:10.810
So I apologize for that -- for missing those on that

01:56:10.810 --> 01:56:13.000
particular agenda item.

01:56:13.000 --> 01:56:15.680
And, Mayor, I would just note for the record that this is

01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:18.000
not a statutorily required public hearing.

01:56:18.000 --> 01:56:21.039
This was a courtesy public hearing that the city has been

01:56:21.039 --> 01:56:23.560
conducting as a result of the locating of these

01:56:23.560 --> 01:56:25.000
transmission lines.

01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:28.000
So just putting that particular point into the record.

01:56:28.000 --> 01:56:29.000
So noted.

01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:31.000
Thank you very much.

01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:32.000
Okay.

01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:33.000
Thank you.

01:56:33.000 --> 01:56:36.000
Agenda item 6C -- oh, we did 6C.

01:56:36.000 --> 01:56:40.829
Item 6D is hold a second public hearing on a proposal to

01:56:40.829 --> 01:56:46.000
adopt a tax rate of 0.696380 per $100 valuation,

01:56:46.000 --> 01:56:49.439
which will exceed the lower effective rate or rollback tax

01:56:49.439 --> 01:56:50.000
rate.

01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:52.000
We will now open the public hearing.

01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:53.000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

01:56:53.000 --> 01:56:55.409
And I'm going to again ask Mr. Chuck Springer, our Director

01:56:55.409 --> 01:56:58.000
of Finance, if he will present this public hearing.

01:56:58.000 --> 01:56:59.000
Thank you.

01:56:59.000 --> 01:57:00.000
Thank you, Mayor and members of council.

01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:04.000
This is the second public hearing on the tax rate.

01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:08.390
And just to point out, the published tax rate proposed, 0.6

01:57:08.390 --> 01:57:13.659
9638, was the maximum tax rate the city council can consider

01:57:13.659 --> 01:57:14.000
.

01:57:14.000 --> 01:57:18.000
This will be considered on September 15th.

01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:20.699
So they can consider a lower rate, which is the proposed

01:57:20.699 --> 01:57:24.000
rate now of the council, a lower rate below that.

01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:31.250
The effective tax rate, 0.656271, and the rollback tax rate

01:57:31.250 --> 01:57:36.579
, 0.72155, were required by state law to hold the public

01:57:36.579 --> 01:57:39.000
hearing and to calculate those tax rates.

01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:42.989
And I think at the last public hearing, the mayor had asked

01:57:42.989 --> 01:57:47.329
the effective tax rate is really a calculation designed to

01:57:47.329 --> 01:57:51.359
draw in the same amount of dollars as the prior year from

01:57:51.359 --> 01:57:53.000
the same property.

01:57:53.000 --> 01:57:56.000
It excludes new property within the city.

01:57:56.000 --> 01:58:02.000
With that, I'll answer any questions the council may have.

01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:03.000
Any questions for council?

01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:06.000
I mean, for staff, I have one.

01:58:06.000 --> 01:58:10.060
And just want to make sure I'm clear on this, that the 0.69

01:58:10.060 --> 01:58:12.000
and some odd is the maximum.

01:58:12.000 --> 01:58:14.869
But as been pointed out in our work sessions, that we've

01:58:14.869 --> 01:58:17.640
been looking at a tax rate lower than that as far as just

01:58:17.640 --> 01:58:20.000
in the preliminary budget discussions.

01:58:20.000 --> 01:58:23.000
So at the September 15th meeting when we're voting on

01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:26.609
whatever the proposed tax rate is, that's where if council

01:58:26.609 --> 01:58:30.149
decides to adopt that lower rate, that's when that would be

01:58:30.149 --> 01:58:31.000
brought forth.

01:58:31.000 --> 01:58:32.000
Is that correct?

01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:33.000
That's correct.

01:58:33.000 --> 01:58:34.000
On the 15th.

01:58:34.000 --> 01:58:35.000
Okay.

01:58:35.000 --> 01:58:36.000
This is a public hearing.

01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:38.000
Mr. Johnson, you want to?

01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:41.000
I was going to see if we could get Brian Langley down,

01:58:41.000 --> 01:58:43.319
since he stayed this whole time, to give us maybe a history

01:58:43.319 --> 01:58:45.000
of the tax rate in the city of Denton.

01:58:45.000 --> 01:58:48.000
I tell you what, we'll let you do that.

01:58:48.000 --> 01:58:50.000
I'll do that.

01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:51.000
We do have a card.

01:58:51.000 --> 01:58:53.000
Mr. Willie Husspeth, you wish to speak on this item?

01:58:53.000 --> 01:58:54.000
All right.

01:58:54.000 --> 01:58:56.000
Thank you very much.

01:58:56.000 --> 01:58:59.000
Anybody else wishing to speak?

01:58:59.000 --> 01:59:01.000
Staff, media, anybody?

01:59:01.000 --> 01:59:03.000
Reporters.

01:59:03.000 --> 01:59:04.000
All right.

01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:05.000
This is a public hearing.

01:59:05.000 --> 01:59:07.000
I will call it one more time.

01:59:07.000 --> 01:59:08.000
Anybody else wishing to speak?

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Come on down and give us your thoughts on the proposed tax

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rate.

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Seeing none.

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And I do close this one.

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I will close this public hearing, and we will take action

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on this item on September the 15th.

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We're now to our agenda item number seven, which is

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presentation from members of the public.

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We have one we can dispense with the review of procedures

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for addressing the city council.

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And it's Mr. Willie Husspeth regarding City Hall.

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If you'll come and state your name and address for the

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record, please.

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Your time will begin.

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My name is Willie Husspeth.

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I live in 623 Newton.

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I want to speak to the fact that you make me and citizens

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stay to the end of the -- or require them to stay to the

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end of the meetings.

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At the forums, I remember what you say when we -- at the NA

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ACP LULAC forum.

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You talk as though you're for the citizens.

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This is not for the citizens.

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This is not good.

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But you do whatever you want to do.

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What I'm going to do now, since I'm here, I'm going to look

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at every one of these items that you talk about.

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And so it turns out it's good.

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I'm being educated.

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And then I will -- they come up, I'm going to fill out

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every one of those cards, and I'm going to do what I need

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to do.

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I don't want to move up early unless you do away with it so

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no one has to stay here unless they choose to stay here at

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the end of these meetings.

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Can you imagine what this would be like for a single parent

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to come up here and stay to the whole meeting?

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Now, you do it, but you chose to do it.

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And you're here for the people.

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You say that.

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But I don't understand this rule, where you make people

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stay here the whole time to have a comment.

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With that said, let me take a breath.

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Councilman Gregory and City Manager Campbell were the two

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people that addressed what I said at the last meeting.

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My representative doesn't address very much at all what I'm

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dealing with.

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And that's another subject altogether.

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But I appreciate you, Mr. Gregory and Mr. Campbell.

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I have to compromise.

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And I compromised on what's happening at my property

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because these two gentlemen came out and they didn't change

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anything.

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They didn't go over the code enforcement community

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improvement decision.

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Not one.

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Neither one of them said they would and they didn't.

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They just talked to me like I'm a citizen and that I vote

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and that I matter.

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I would suggest the rest of you start doing that.

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That I matter and I have a vote.

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They didn't even look at it as far as if I had a vote.

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That wasn't even their concern.

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They really communicated to me that they were concerned

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about what I thought and what was going on.

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They just wanted to know from my perspective.

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Mr. Gregory came out to my location.

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Mr. Campbell had me come to the office and he said some

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things that really impressed me.

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I went ahead and made the changes.

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I still don't agree with them.

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But when he said, Mr. Gregory as well, compromise is how I

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get my job done.

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You just have to give a little and take a little.

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And so I put the rule -- you don't know what this is all

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about.

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But there was something I had outside that was going -- it

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is construction material and I'm allowed to have it.

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But the code enforcing person said no, it isn't.

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But it is.

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And I could fight that.

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I wanted to go to court and fight it.

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But both of these men said to what end?

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And I told them just because I want to do it, I don't like

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anybody pushing me around.

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And I don't.

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The rest of you should learn from these gentlemen.

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Don't push citizens around.

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And with that said, I will be at the next meeting and then

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continue how the city attorneys did me.

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We'll start over there and I'm going to just hammer it out

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unless another code enforcement situation comes up.

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Thank you for the time.

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>> We will now -- I believe that concludes our agenda

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except for concluding items.

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Mayor Pro Tem.

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>> Thank you, Mayor.

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A couple of things.

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I would ask staff, I suppose through the parks and rec

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department, to provide a report in the next few weeks on

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skate parks.

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Kind of an update on the parks that we have.

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The possible cost for construction of a second park.

02:04:24.000 --> 02:04:30.140
The possible locations on current city owned property where

02:04:30.140 --> 02:04:32.000
one might work.

02:04:32.000 --> 02:04:36.479
Also looking at the potential for either a joint or a

02:04:36.479 --> 02:04:40.000
separate facility for BMX bicycles.

02:04:40.000 --> 02:04:42.000
So that's one item.

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And the other item is I would ask -- and I don't know if

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this comes in the form of --

02:04:53.000 --> 02:04:56.390
I'm stuck on how to do this, whether we need a work session

02:04:56.390 --> 02:05:01.000
or maybe the possibility of the mayor appointing a

02:05:01.000 --> 02:05:06.000
temporary committee to -- of council members to work on the

02:05:06.000 --> 02:05:09.000
exposition street event space.

02:05:09.000 --> 02:05:11.000
Regarding a couple of different issues.

02:05:11.000 --> 02:05:15.000
It looks like it's in the budget.

02:05:15.000 --> 02:05:18.739
Because we talked about some agreement issues that we may

02:05:18.739 --> 02:05:22.380
want to go over with the Denton community market on their

02:05:22.380 --> 02:05:23.000
use.

02:05:23.000 --> 02:05:26.859
Some stipulations as we go ahead with that on small

02:05:26.859 --> 02:05:31.640
business development and issues about local food production

02:05:31.640 --> 02:05:32.000
.

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Make sure that we understand their facility needs.

02:05:34.000 --> 02:05:36.000
There may be some other things.

02:05:36.000 --> 02:05:40.380
But also the possibility of talking to other potential

02:05:40.380 --> 02:05:45.520
users and other stakeholders, i.e. property owners in the

02:05:45.520 --> 02:05:49.000
area as we talk about how we look at that.

02:05:49.000 --> 02:05:52.000
There probably are some other issues involved in that also.

02:05:52.000 --> 02:05:55.000
So I don't know the best way to move forward with that.

02:05:55.000 --> 02:06:00.550
But before we expend any funds on development and design to

02:06:00.550 --> 02:06:03.000
have some work on that.

02:06:03.000 --> 02:06:05.729
I think probably the work session because we obviously can

02:06:05.729 --> 02:06:08.319
't -- we couldn't say committee because this is -- but I

02:06:08.319 --> 02:06:12.149
think a work session where we can decide those particular

02:06:12.149 --> 02:06:13.000
options.

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Councilmember Rodin.

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Thank you, mayor.

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And I'm going to ask my fellow historic landmark council

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committee members to chime in if I miss anything.

02:06:22.000 --> 02:06:25.090
I understand there's an issue that's holding up at least

02:06:25.090 --> 02:06:28.170
one certificate of appropriateness and it has to do with

02:06:28.170 --> 02:06:31.000
the use of hardy boards in historic districts.

02:06:31.000 --> 02:06:35.569
And the mechanism as we understand it legally is that the

02:06:35.569 --> 02:06:40.250
process to look at possible code changes to the historic

02:06:40.250 --> 02:06:44.659
regulations has to begin with HLC and move its way through

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PNZ and council.

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As it stands, it seems like some on HLC are just refusing

02:06:49.550 --> 02:06:52.880
to even consider that change which is keeping it from

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moving through the process.

02:06:55.000 --> 02:06:57.770
So I think I'd like to on behalf of the committee as we

02:06:57.770 --> 02:07:00.479
talked about this last week and I think they have an

02:07:00.479 --> 02:07:04.000
opportunity at their next upcoming meeting from the council

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perspective to task HLC to consider that.

02:07:08.000 --> 02:07:11.000
Whether they reject it, approve it would be up to them.

02:07:11.000 --> 02:07:13.789
But to just allow that to move through the process so

02:07:13.789 --> 02:07:16.000
ultimately council can look at that.

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I think we have some new construction issues at play that

02:07:19.289 --> 02:07:22.579
we might be holding some property owners up significant

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times unless we get that kick started.

02:07:25.000 --> 02:07:29.090
So that's my recommendation to the city manager if you

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could help with that.

02:07:31.000 --> 02:07:33.000
Councilmember Hawkins.

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Yeah, I wanted to add to the skate park thing.

02:07:35.000 --> 02:07:38.489
I was just very impressed with Sam and the group that came

02:07:38.489 --> 02:07:39.000
out.

02:07:39.000 --> 02:07:42.430
And I'm looking forward to the conversation that we could

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have about either replacing the existing one or finding a

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new location.

02:07:47.000 --> 02:07:51.029
And then I just wanted to applaud my fellow council women

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and men today and staff.

02:07:53.000 --> 02:07:55.449
It was a long day and I didn't know how today was going to

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end up.

02:07:56.000 --> 02:07:59.649
But I think that it's been a really good day and just

02:07:59.649 --> 02:08:03.000
wanted to tell everybody it was a good job.

02:08:03.000 --> 02:08:05.000
So I appreciate it.

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So except for Kevin.

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No, especially Kevin.

02:08:09.000 --> 02:08:11.000
So thank you very much.

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Councilmember Briggs.

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Yes, I would like to ask staff to research and council to

02:08:18.170 --> 02:08:24.250
possibly consider adding a youth advisory board to our

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board and commissions.

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Research and look to other cities.

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Have a report on that.

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Great.

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Good.

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I've got a couple.

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I thought you were going to break out.

02:08:39.000 --> 02:08:41.000
Councilmember Hawkins and I don't remember the movie.

02:08:41.000 --> 02:08:43.000
Somebody's going to.

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I love you, man.

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Where I was expecting you to say so.

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That's the trivia question.

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Old school.

02:08:51.000 --> 02:08:52.000
Okay.

02:08:52.000 --> 02:08:53.000
That's right.

02:08:53.000 --> 02:08:55.159
Because I do want to echo that sentiment and not just for

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the long meeting, but for the discussions on the budget and

02:08:59.189 --> 02:09:02.000
just the differences of opinions and priorities.

02:09:02.000 --> 02:09:04.869
But the collaboration and compromise, as I believe was was

02:09:04.869 --> 02:09:07.569
pointed out in an earlier speaker that that the two of you

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gentlemen, but I think that's that's good.

02:09:10.000 --> 02:09:13.029
I think collaboration and compromise is is is something

02:09:13.029 --> 02:09:15.760
that I really am proud of my colleagues here on this

02:09:15.760 --> 02:09:19.000
council that we were able to really work through things.

02:09:19.000 --> 02:09:24.000
And I just was I was very excited about that.

02:09:24.000 --> 02:09:28.109
The second one is just to acknowledge what a great

02:09:28.109 --> 02:09:30.000
community we have.

02:09:30.000 --> 02:09:34.130
The proclamations with the great Parks Department and the

02:09:34.130 --> 02:09:38.880
the the dolphins and then United Way, the living for the

02:09:38.880 --> 02:09:43.000
month and then the the rodeo the lineman.

02:09:43.000 --> 02:09:46.390
We live in a great community and we're doing a lot of

02:09:46.390 --> 02:09:49.000
things and for the homeless issue.

02:09:49.000 --> 02:09:51.520
And so I'm very proud to be living in this city and at this

02:09:51.520 --> 02:09:54.220
time because I really think we're really moving forward on

02:09:54.220 --> 02:09:56.000
some really great initiatives.

02:09:56.000 --> 02:09:58.960
And last but not least, I had a call and I could not answer

02:09:58.960 --> 02:10:00.000
this question.

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If we have any ordinances regarding drones.

02:10:03.000 --> 02:10:07.130
So I'd like to for the somebody had mentioned drones as far

02:10:07.130 --> 02:10:11.630
as you know, flying around neighborhoods and privacy issues

02:10:11.630 --> 02:10:15.640
and no, no, no, no, no, not drones at the meeting like I'm

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doing right now.

02:10:17.000 --> 02:10:21.560
So just like to get it sort of a maybe an informal staff

02:10:21.560 --> 02:10:26.340
report or something to see what the limitations are on a

02:10:26.340 --> 02:10:30.890
city's ability to regulate those kind of that kind of

02:10:30.890 --> 02:10:32.000
equipment.

02:10:32.000 --> 02:10:34.000
Because I really don't know.

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That's all I've got.

02:10:35.000 --> 02:10:36.000
Councilmember Hawkins.

02:10:36.000 --> 02:10:37.000
I forgot one thing.

02:10:37.000 --> 02:10:40.689
I just wanted to publicly say how much I like the mayor's

02:10:40.689 --> 02:10:45.000
growth, the beard thing going and hopefully it continues.

02:10:45.000 --> 02:10:47.000
It's wise. I like it.

02:10:47.000 --> 02:10:48.000
Thank you.

02:10:48.000 --> 02:10:49.000
Keep denting beard.

02:10:49.000 --> 02:10:50.000
That's right.

02:10:50.000 --> 02:10:51.000
I appreciate that.

02:10:51.000 --> 02:10:54.000
Councilmember Johnson.

02:10:54.000 --> 02:10:57.000
I'm not sure I want to follow Julie tonight.

02:10:57.000 --> 02:10:58.000
He's a little punch drunk.

02:10:58.000 --> 02:11:01.380
I just want to say, Bill, if you're watching, Peggy

02:11:01.380 --> 02:11:05.369
deserves to come in at noon tomorrow after stomaching a 12

02:11:05.369 --> 02:11:07.000
hour day here with us.

02:11:07.000 --> 02:11:11.000
Wonderful.

02:11:11.000 --> 02:11:12.000
All right.

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Seeing no other requests for new business.