Sep 27, 2023 Mobility Committee on 2023-09-27 8:00 AM

good morning we're going we are here at the mobility committee for the city of dead and Wednesday September 27 2023 a 8m in the council work session room it looks like we have a quorum present I will convene the meeting starting at 8 a.m. do we have any citizen comments on any of the agenda items okay so we'll move on to number two items work excuse me individual consideration AMC 2 3 days 0 3 9 consider approval of the minutes for August 23rd 2023 we have a motion for approval and I'll second and so all in favor the second one be we will see in here MC 2 3 days 0 4 7 of a staff memorandum good morning Trevor crane director of capital projects so I'll go through a couple of project updates so bonnie bray road bonnie bray phase 3 of course was awarded the Sun construction on August 16th those to proceed is anticipated to be issued on October 16th 2023 and that project has a 30-month construction schedule so bonnie bray 3 is from rose lawn drive to FM 1515 interstate 35 bonnie bray phase 6 that's from us 380 to us 77 we're on track to advertise for bids in quarter 4 of 2023 we've been working through comments with text dot over the probably the last eight months we're really close to getting the state letter of authority to move that project into bidding so right now the last date I saw was November to have that ready to bid out once we get the state letter of authority we'll kind of look at that project don't typically like to put projects out to bid during December a lot of contractors kind of hanging up during the holiday season so we'll look at that date want to make sure we get good bids in on that so we may delay that bidding till early next year we'll just take a look at it so okay Hickory Creek phase 3 update so we're currently in active construction the contractor on that is Mario Sinicola and sons has a two-year construction timeline so still estimated completion in quarter one of 2025 and that is all I have on project updates any questions on Bonnie Bray Hickory Creek phase 3 thank you all righty so one of the requests that was made was to discuss the accidents or data that we had received on downtown back-end parking along the Hickory Grand Street project and so our staff worked with the police department to look at those accidents that had occurred along East Hickory since implementing that back-end parking between Locust and Bell Avenue there are no specific parking related contributing factors which could be related to back in parking specifically so when the reports are taken it's not saying this accident occurred due to the fact that someone was trying to back in parking but the table below which I'll show you right here shows the number of crashes that have happened in that area but it cannot be attributed or specifically related to the fact that it is back in parking it's just the number of crashes that have happened within that roadway area so hopefully that answers some of the questions that were asked and we have none for 2023 that have been reported and then I guess in 2022 we had two you can see and when it was first under implementation and it was brand-new 2015 2016 2017 you can see there's five and then of course in 2019 six but as far as the actual reports from the police department and they're not showing you can see that in the report that there's no specific parking related contributing factor that says the back-end parking caused whatever the accident was I don't know if you would like to take his question take questions you have any questions they do on these on these reports did it did it say in the incident report whether these were vehicle and vehicle interactions vehicle and pedestrian did it mention when you looked them up I mean the numbers are low so essentially we're looking at edge cases regardless but I'm just curious and it was specific accident crash data so those typically are a vehicular in the information we receive from the police department but to be a hundred percent correct I'll have to check on that information and get back to you I did not collect the data myself make sense that no I think one of the reasons I was I was asking for the data is to establish whether it was actually a problem and and it sounds like maybe in 2019 for whatever reason people are free from COVID and driving around or something but but otherwise it looks like there it's pretty well an edge case no matter whether it's vehicle and vehicle or vehicle and pedestrian unless of course you guys come back and tell me oh well there's a bunch of vehicle and pedestrian accidents that are not in the table and that's 20 or 30 or something like that it sounds like regardless of sort of the cultural discomfort of back in parking it's not a source of problem for the police is what I'm interpreting that as okay and also I'm thinking that 2019 we were just going into COVID so people were probably just kind of out of their minds at the time that's a very high number six which regardless of if it's a was backed in or someone pulled in so I think that we're we're addressing this because we're noticing that more people are pulling in rather than backing in I'm not sure what they enforcement level of that is do you have any idea whether or not the police department is recognize that and is it forcing it more or and the individuals who are pulling in instead of backing in that is not something the police department is currently enforcing if there are individuals that are in that area that are actually patrolling in that area and see something that's of concern of course they're going to take care of the situation but as far as an enforcement it's not something that they have individuals that are spending time they're particularly focusing on the enforcement of whether folks are actually pulling into the parking space or backing in do we do we still have those what are those people called not the ambassadors but I think they work for the police department and they would do parking my my understanding is is that's not something that is currently ongoing okay that we do not have those individuals that are currently it was a parking enforcement team essentially and they did it all over downtown etc people waited you know some of those signs say you can only park for two hours etc but my understanding is we don't have that type of enforcement okay well I don't have any other questions or comments or concerns all righty well let's move on to the future items for mobility so we brought to you today the downtown back-end parking I'm gonna make a statement my assumption is that was all vehicular if we happen to find that I'm incorrect I'm gonna bring that item back to you and if not then I'm gonna request that we remove that specific because we provided you the data and I'll get that clarification the citywide downtown parking study we will bring back to you as soon as that information is available ITS report I know you're very interested in what's happening between loop 288 and the 380 connection and they're still ongoing conversations we actually have a meeting next week with the consultant and tech start it's not ready to bring forward to you yet as they're receiving and still going through all the comments that were received from the public meeting in late July but as soon as that is available I'm going to ask that they bring that forward I also want to mention while we're on the ITS report mr. pollster sends his regards for him not to be able to be here today to actually make his presentation but the entire mobility report and that he prepares will be in your Friday report this month this week and then the mapping first sidewalk bike corridor staff is still working on all those GIS mapping layers and as soon as we have that information where we feel like it's ready to bring forward we're gonna bring that forward to you Trevor gave you the update on Hickory Creek and Bonnie Bray Ryan Road we won't bring anything forward until we're and the ending stages of Hickory Creek and then Brett is still working through the text dot responses for the citywide speed study so since we have that information so some of these are just ongoing as we have the information so we don't lose their spot but currently not additional information to report and so now we'd like to see if there's anything else that you would like to bring forward for us to add to the agenda for next month yeah real quick question it was it was dr. Butts that that is taking over bikeped with dev services or engineering or combo is that correct or I'm misunderstanding the role that position has been moved to the transportation services group but all of the transportation planning specific responsibilities has is still in the process of being worked out okay all right and the reason I ask is coming back to the the GIS layers do can do you have a list of the the variables that you're gonna be putting into those layers that that should be straightforward that we could get so I so I could see if I was wanting to ask about additional variables to include in the layers or not so when you say variables talk to me more about what you're asking because in the layer specifically the GIS mapping part of what's happening is the roadways are broken down into sections based on block and it is we're working on breaking them down to where you actually have individual layers that are specific for sidewalk on both sides of the roadway so it's a little bit more detailed to try to break it down it looks at the asset from a GIS layer perspective as just the roadways so now we're working on adding that layer to where it can be specified with having its own identifier of the of the actual sidewalk along the mapping system perfect that that's exactly you do this every week you anticipate parts of my question are we separating this the sidewalk layers from the street layers yeah and then the other things I was curious about I'll just give you enough for instance of why I'm asking this question is are there things like the these are certain timings or certain projected speedways because I know some of the street data included vehicular speed limits but like we you all also estimate the pedestrian traffic speeds at certain intersections as well or the crossing times that came up in council Tuesday so what I guess I'm curious what kinds of variables are in the you're projected because you don't map every single nuance of data that you can mine out of the GIS that's it's too much you you have typical variable sets so I guess what I'm asking is what's your variable set that you're you're using in your your day-to-day business and and if I could get that kind of understanding sure then it may be then everything I'm interested is already there and then I just ask you what the number is sure so specifically related to the GIS layer itself our goal is to map every asset that we have every sidewalk that we have we'll also want to work towards mapping every bike lane that's already within the system that goal is to then be able to take those into a work order system that we already have currently which we use as cardiograph to be able to say whether or not there's any maintenance or repair that needs to be done to that system for example there might be a crosswalk or there might be a bike lane that needs to be updated so our goal is to actually tie that the GIS layer to the individual asset so then we can develop work plans associated with God bless you works work plans associated with the actual maintenance repair that needs to be performed and I would say as far as signal timing and those things some of the results of the bike pet audit are to we already have worksheets that we're using and we already have a process that we're doing but then we're going to want to be able to tie that information to that specific asset so our goal would be is if we go and look at McKinney Street between you know whatever Bell and whatever that we can say this is where a sidewalk is this is where a bike lane is this is where there's the pedestrian and hybrid beacon crossing right here we've maintained it every six months or once a year whatever the standard is associated with that so we are working to try to develop the GIS layer to be able to give the asset identifier information that will then help form our work plans associated with that if that makes sense yes it does and and so I mean yeah no just I won't reiterate just if we if I could get a list of the what you the types of commonplace layers not what you're capable of but what you're you just typically throw out then then I'd be interested in that and and and then maybe note what you what you might put public in versus what you keep in house okay so when we bring back the sidewalk by corridor information that is when we'll go into detail as to here's the layers that were created etc so a lot of that has already been mapped it's just now taking all those finite pieces and putting them all together and that's why I don't want to ask questions if the data I mean I don't mind asking questions but I don't want to ask for an activity if you already have it sure all I have to do is say hey can I get a paragraph report on that you know sure I don't want to put anybody out doing a new thing that isn't a new thing no for sure no I completely understand and I think that part of that mapping like I said when we bring that back is to describe kind of what goes into without having a foundational GIS layer it's hard to build and identify the asset and then it's hard to make a work plan associated with that whether it be a maintenance or whether it be a completely new reconstruction and then also mapping that with the mobility plan and all the different multimodal elements of the mobility plan so I understand where you're going and happy to bring that forward when we're ready thank you yes sir anything else I know that there was some issues over in southeast didn't in regards to Bradshaw Street in in East Prairie Street along the way near the park in and I know that there was it had something to do with it had rained in the complainants were concerned about not being able to get out of the neighborhood I know that you all may have heard that Seth understands that got immediate action on that but the question now becomes for me is are the same people it's the same company during the entire area or do you all use different contractors for different locations when we're updating the streets one of the streets had a failure in it in it and somebody got stuck in the mud in the other street sure and someone wasn't able to get out out of the neighborhood or the regular route in their street so my question is because we haven't had a a complainant you know of this nature from the other parts of the community how did this happen and how did this happen in regards to is it the same contractor or is it another contractor for that area so to get into the specifics I think we'll need to bring that back as a future item I would just say as a general statement those types of situations happen all over the city you may just be more aware of the situation because it's directly in your district and then I would say as far as contractors every single project either goes through a Seymour process or a competitive still proposal process and the general contractor can be different and is different throughout the city we have lots of contractors working in the city so if you want specific information about the southeast didn't bond program then we can have Trevor bring that information back to you and and I would tell you that the concerns that you're bringing to our attention or things that we were already aware of and on top of and working to try to resolve but in general there are multiple contractors working and they hire multiple subcontractors and some of the concerns you're bringing forward those are all a part of our specifications with warranties associated with work and that's why we put a two-year warranty on all of our projects so and they oh how long two years and then this is my kindergarten level question okay I'd recognize that they're bollards on Oakland Street and I know that we use bollards on on other parts of the streets on North you know on North Road but my question is and I wanted to say it for this meeting so there may be other people that have this question my question is is that if there's bollards on Oakland Street only on one side is it expected for the cyclists to use that street going in either direction or if a cyclist is says going north on Oakland Street and there are no bollards there but the bollards are here for the riders on the south side how does something like that work are they on the other bicyclists in the bollards on the south side even if they're going north or does that play a role in how we put bollards now if there wasn't any bollards and it was just a street with just a line and you see bikes bike lane that wouldn't pique my interest but because of the nature of this situation over on Oakland Street sure we're in the Parkland we can bring back to you bike etiquette and what they're supposed to be doing the short answer to your question is is if the bollards are there they're supposed to be riding in it no matter which direction they're going and we can't force people to do that but that's what they're supposed to be doing and so that's the reason why there's that large bike lane so that it can be multimodal whether you're walking or biking and it is for it to be used in both directions it would seem to me that the necessary steps to take for that to be a true situation for all for all locations is that those bollards would be literally down the entire street but these bollards just start and then they stop between Congress and Carroll so you know I just say just pique my interest I drive through that way and and and that was just for me but I'm sure other folks may be interested in that topic as well thank you for that sure we can bring that back to you I know we've talked about Oakland before but we can kind of show you the overall plan of that road specifically and how they are to traverse and what really bike etiquette is in that area no problem also let's bring back something for more street I just don't see any movement in regards to slowing that street down I know you do know that there are reminders you know you have those lighted reminders on the side of how fast you're going is and I just want to know if that is all they're going to get there I have not heard any additional complaints from there we used to hear about a lot of complaints at one time but something's happening over there to keep them from not you know calling me and saying hey these cars are still going too fast let's get an update on whether or not that is helping out or are we still going to do anything additional for Moore Street and I've been asked that by a resident yeah sure we don't mind bringing that back at all we do have a project there as we brought forward to not only the Sedna meeting and then also the southeastern area plan brought forward and asked a lot of questions we had to have all of those conversations and meetings and out like we reported in the southeastern meeting we'll be bringing that back within about three to six months so that is a project but we're happy to bring an update to you at the next meeting also on the corner of Morris in Woodrow and it's still Woodrow yes we know that we're getting a new apartment complex there so there's anticipation of more cars being on that roadway and we could see right now that the roadway is full of cars as it is it's growing is there any kind of anticipation of meeting the needs of the folks that are trying to pull out on to Woodrow from Morris Street has there been any conversation in that regard sure we can bring that line that is slowing that area down so people can have time to pull out sure I think the right side of going north is a little higher and they're coming up kind of coming down a little slope in in so I like you all to take a look at that yes we have that work came up in the southeastern also but we'll bring you back a report of any plan or action that we do it's in concert with the more street with it okay yes ma'am yes yeah I forgot one that I wanted to ask Becky about and did I presume it was one of you or your team that responded to some of the questions yesterday in council about you know the bike ped audit but I know that that Paul submitted to council several questions from Susie room are mm-hmm room war and and I wondered if you you and your team have had a chance to review those and if if so whether you want to bring them back in mobility or put it into a Friday staff if maybe staff could could address some of her concerns sort of as a leading bike ped community advocate typically what we do when we receive comments from Susie is sit down with her and go through her comments and we didn't receive those till right before the council meeting yesterday so we have not had a chance to even discuss or go through all of them and but what we plan to do is sit down and go through her comments with her and then because there were so many comments that were made I don't believe putting it in a Friday report is going to be sufficient we'll probably put it in an ISR which will be a part of the Friday report it would not just be a specific blurb but that would be our anticipation and we will not have that ready for Friday it'll probably be a week or so no yeah I didn't put a time limit on because I knew some of them were more involved questions so yeah if you're already on top of that then then great yes sir well I don't have any other additional questions or any comments or concerns yes ma'am we did receive one individuals request to speak so I'd like to give them an opportunity I know with us starting right at 8 o'clock it makes it difficult to get in here and get your comment card written down so I will minimize this and go ahead and let you call that item okay we'll call Liam the cover you'll be you have three minutes all right hello my name is Liam and I'm a member of Abundance Denton as you look to future mobility committee items I'd like to submit an item for your consideration as you already know DCTA has disinvested from Denton's fixed route transit cutting a majority of the connect routes in 2021 GoZone has proven an unreliable inefficient inexpensive option it cost DCTA more pride given more pride than buses and has no way to decrease the cost and still cannot reliably get people to and from work or to doctors appointments on time one result of this disinvestment has been DCTA generating a sizable stockpile of cash each year they cash out as a percentage of it to Denton to be used for transit supportive projects with Denton's bus network and shambles the most pressing transit supportive thing Denton can do with these this this up 2024 years funds would be to do would can do with the fund is to do what UNT does with their transportation funds is to buy bus routes currently on the east side of town there has been many there there are many social services jobs grocery stores and lots of multifamily mobile home parks which with more on the way and only has a single meandering connect route which only runs every 43 minutes just till 6 p.m. with all the new development on the way it's the city's best interest to provide high quality bus service in this area we propose didn't buy two routes from DCTA for two years to run Monday through Saturday 6 a.m. to 8 p.m. this time scale will give the routes time to stabilize and then should work with DCTA to set a ridership target that is met with a result in DCTA moving the routes over their budget over over to their budget at the end of two years route also there is a white paper that was emailed to you this morning that should be in there route 3b could be a companion route to route 3 running every 43 minutes and taking the old route 3 straight to the end of McKinney and back this would provide approximately 20 minutes service too much of route 3 and renew service to Ashley Oaks Denton Falls the shores and Ryan High route 2 would be running every 20 minutes along loop 288 and from 380 to the mall this will provide a service to the mall the 288 shopping districts and thousands of existing incoming multifamily units this would also be a generational investment in dens future to accessible climate friendly future and won't need to pave paradise to meet our growing traffic demands this would this also helps prevent more traffic getting onto certain roads which is important to everybody thank you I yield the remainder of my time thank you very much that's very important and very insightful and I just happen to agree with everything that I've heard I'd appreciate that thank you you can have a any questions yeah no I one of the things we can do with citizens comments is ask for future agenda items so what I'm gonna do is ask chair if you would I assume you got it if you didn't I and it's an email from Christie I just hadn't looked at it that why don't we pass this off to staff and ask them in some future agenda meeting to to evaluate pros and cons that they see out of that kind of plan so that and then we can potentially move from there maybe that's a mobility agenda item maybe that's an ISR but that'd be what I would request is so that we can see staff's comments on the the potentials of this plan and also just had in mind that we would ask our DCTA rep to give us an update I'd like to see it at City Council meeting I know that they do come to City Council meetings and give us an update I've been recognizing that they were not coming to a mobility committee since they've gotten a new CEO not sure how that turned out that way but we definitely still are very interested in our transportation system on the east side we that's the most vulnerable conditions and we even saw some of that data yesterday with through our auditor auditor so yeah we're definitely gonna have to bring that back I don't know how that's gonna look but I'd like to hear from our DCTA representative or someone from DCTA sure and we have DCTA already on the agenda for the council work session in November so what we'll do is happy to receive the letter and review it see if there's anything that we need to bring forward prior to that with the October meeting but that more than likely we will ask DCTA to address that during their council meeting or in another form but they are coming forward for their regular update in November okay that'll be great all right well thank you very much Liam we appreciate you bringing that back to us thank you for letting me speak so are there anything else that you wanted to bring up are there any concluding items well I don't have you're okay I'm just curious is anybody going to TML are there are there any no none of the engineering staff are going to TML okay then then then council bird and I will bring back even more annoying ideas from TML when we go about keeping up with the Joneses in all the many extra layers of duty and FTE that we'll be asking you for and unfortunately I won't be going to T T well I didn't know when I was gonna get my hip replaced you know I was just kind of waiting on that and it was kind of lingering around and I missed the deadlines and things like that I was there wasn't on my mind so we'll have to depend on you to bring everything back or appreciate it okay so if there's no concluding items will declare the meeting over at 8 32 a.m. on Wednesday September 23rd thank you