1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,800 good morning we're going we are here at the mobility committee for the city of 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:16,000 dead and Wednesday September 27 2023 a 8m in the council work session room it 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:21,280 looks like we have a quorum present I will convene the meeting starting at 8 4 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:29,120 a.m. do we have any citizen comments on any of the agenda items okay so we'll 5 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:37,760 move on to number two items work excuse me individual consideration AMC 2 3 6 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:45,120 days 0 3 9 consider approval of the minutes for August 23rd 2023 we have a 7 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:56,920 motion for approval and I'll second and so all in favor the second one be we 8 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:08,500 will see in here MC 2 3 days 0 4 7 of a staff memorandum good morning Trevor 9 00:01:08,500 --> 00:01:12,320 crane director of capital projects so I'll go through a couple of project 10 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:18,520 updates so bonnie bray road bonnie bray phase 3 of course was awarded the Sun 11 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,960 construction on August 16th those to proceed is anticipated to be issued on 12 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:28,440 October 16th 2023 and that project has a 30-month construction schedule so 13 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:37,280 bonnie bray 3 is from rose lawn drive to FM 1515 interstate 35 bonnie bray phase 14 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:42,880 6 that's from us 380 to us 77 we're on track to advertise for bids in quarter 15 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,440 4 of 2023 we've been working through comments with text dot over the probably 16 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,040 the last eight months we're really close to getting the state letter of authority 17 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:57,480 to move that project into bidding so right now the last date I saw was 18 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:02,200 November to have that ready to bid out once we get the state letter of 19 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,000 authority we'll kind of look at that project don't typically like to put 20 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,680 projects out to bid during December a lot of contractors kind of hanging up 21 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,360 during the holiday season so we'll look at that date want to make sure we get 22 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,280 good bids in on that so we may delay that bidding till early next year we'll 23 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:25,240 just take a look at it so okay Hickory Creek phase 3 update so we're 24 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,960 currently in active construction the contractor on that is Mario Sinicola and 25 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,640 sons has a two-year construction timeline so still estimated completion in 26 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:42,400 quarter one of 2025 and that is all I have on project updates any questions on 27 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:51,000 Bonnie Bray Hickory Creek phase 3 thank you 28 00:02:51,000 --> 00:03:10,320 all righty so one of the requests that was made was to discuss the accidents or 29 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,960 data that we had received on downtown back-end parking along the Hickory 30 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:20,080 Grand Street project and so our staff worked with the police department to 31 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:25,760 look at those accidents that had occurred along East Hickory since 32 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,480 implementing that back-end parking between Locust and Bell Avenue there are 33 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:36,920 no specific parking related contributing factors which could be related to back 34 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,480 in parking specifically so when the reports are taken it's not saying this 35 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,600 accident occurred due to the fact that someone was trying to back in parking 36 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:51,080 but the table below which I'll show you right here shows the number of crashes 37 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,480 that have happened in that area but it cannot be attributed or specifically 38 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,360 related to the fact that it is back in parking it's just the number of crashes 39 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:06,960 that have happened within that roadway area so hopefully that answers some of 40 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,880 the questions that were asked and we have none for 2023 that have been 41 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:17,760 reported and then I guess in 2022 we had two you can see and when it was first 42 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:24,840 under implementation and it was brand-new 2015 2016 2017 you can see 43 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:31,760 there's five and then of course in 2019 six but as far as the actual reports 44 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,680 from the police department and they're not showing you can see that in the 45 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,880 report that there's no specific parking related contributing factor that says 46 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:47,160 the back-end parking caused whatever the accident was I don't know if you would 47 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:53,000 like to take his question take questions you have any questions they do on these 48 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,620 on these reports did it did it say in the incident report whether these were 49 00:04:57,620 --> 00:05:03,720 vehicle and vehicle interactions vehicle and pedestrian did it mention when you 50 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,640 looked them up I mean the numbers are low so essentially we're looking at edge 51 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:13,960 cases regardless but I'm just curious and it was specific accident crash data so 52 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,800 those typically are a vehicular in the information we receive from the police 53 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,480 department but to be a hundred percent correct I'll have to check on that 54 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,760 information and get back to you I did not collect the data myself make sense 55 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,560 that no I think one of the reasons I was I was asking for the data is to 56 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:36,520 establish whether it was actually a problem and and it sounds like maybe in 57 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:43,540 2019 for whatever reason people are free from COVID and driving around or 58 00:05:43,540 --> 00:05:50,220 something but but otherwise it looks like there it's pretty well an edge case 59 00:05:50,220 --> 00:05:55,360 no matter whether it's vehicle and vehicle or vehicle and pedestrian unless 60 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,200 of course you guys come back and tell me oh well there's a bunch of vehicle and 61 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,720 pedestrian accidents that are not in the table and that's 20 or 30 or something 62 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:11,680 like that it sounds like regardless of sort of the cultural discomfort of back 63 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:18,520 in parking it's not a source of problem for the police is what I'm interpreting 64 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:25,840 that as okay and also I'm thinking that 2019 we were just going into COVID so 65 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:29,960 people were probably just kind of out of their minds at the time that's a very 66 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:36,800 high number six which regardless of if it's a was backed in or someone pulled 67 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,660 in so I think that we're we're addressing this because we're noticing 68 00:06:41,660 --> 00:06:48,120 that more people are pulling in rather than backing in I'm not sure what they 69 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:53,960 enforcement level of that is do you have any idea whether or not the police 70 00:06:53,960 --> 00:07:03,040 department is recognize that and is it forcing it more or and the individuals 71 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,680 who are pulling in instead of backing in that is not something the police 72 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,720 department is currently enforcing if there are individuals that are in that 73 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,640 area that are actually patrolling in that area and see something that's of 74 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,720 concern of course they're going to take care of the situation but as far as an 75 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,240 enforcement it's not something that they have individuals that are spending time 76 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,960 they're particularly focusing on the enforcement of whether folks are 77 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:33,000 actually pulling into the parking space or backing in do we do we still have 78 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:39,400 those what are those people called not the ambassadors but I think they work 79 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:44,800 for the police department and they would do parking my my understanding is is 80 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,920 that's not something that is currently ongoing okay that we do not have those 81 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:55,320 individuals that are currently it was a parking enforcement team essentially and 82 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,960 they did it all over downtown etc people waited you know some of those signs say 83 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:04,280 you can only park for two hours etc but my understanding is we don't have that 84 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,600 type of enforcement okay well I don't have any other questions or comments or 85 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:15,000 concerns all righty well let's move on to the future items for mobility so we 86 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,440 brought to you today the downtown back-end parking I'm gonna make a 87 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:23,440 statement my assumption is that was all vehicular if we happen to find that I'm 88 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:28,320 incorrect I'm gonna bring that item back to you and if not then I'm gonna request 89 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,200 that we remove that specific because we provided you the data and I'll get that 90 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:39,080 clarification the citywide downtown parking study we will bring back to you 91 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:44,160 as soon as that information is available ITS report I know you're very interested 92 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,640 in what's happening between loop 288 and the 380 connection and they're still 93 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,360 ongoing conversations we actually have a meeting next week with the consultant 94 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,520 and tech start it's not ready to bring forward to you yet as they're receiving 95 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,700 and still going through all the comments that were received from the public 96 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:05,000 meeting in late July but as soon as that is available I'm going to ask that they 97 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,160 bring that forward I also want to mention while we're on the ITS report 98 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,840 mr. pollster sends his regards for him not to be able to be here today to 99 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,080 actually make his presentation but the entire mobility report and that he 100 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:24,200 prepares will be in your Friday report this month this week and then the mapping 101 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,640 first sidewalk bike corridor staff is still working on all those GIS mapping 102 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,160 layers and as soon as we have that information where we feel like it's 103 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,320 ready to bring forward we're gonna bring that forward to you 104 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:40,840 Trevor gave you the update on Hickory Creek and Bonnie Bray Ryan Road we won't 105 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:46,280 bring anything forward until we're and the ending stages of Hickory Creek and 106 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,940 then Brett is still working through the text dot responses for the citywide 107 00:09:50,940 --> 00:09:54,640 speed study so since we have that information so some of these are just 108 00:09:54,640 --> 00:10:00,200 ongoing as we have the information so we don't lose their spot but currently not 109 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,440 additional information to report and so now we'd like to see if there's anything 110 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,720 else that you would like to bring forward for us to add to the agenda for 111 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:14,680 next month yeah real quick question it was it was dr. 112 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:18,840 Butts that that is taking over bikeped with dev services or engineering or 113 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:23,320 combo is that correct or I'm misunderstanding the role that position 114 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,440 has been moved to the transportation services group but all of the 115 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:32,720 transportation planning specific responsibilities has is still in the 116 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,840 process of being worked out okay all right and the reason I ask is 117 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:44,720 coming back to the the GIS layers do can do you have a list of the the 118 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,720 variables that you're gonna be putting into those layers that that should be 119 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:53,680 straightforward that we could get so I so I could see if I was wanting to ask 120 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:58,740 about additional variables to include in the layers or not so when you say 121 00:10:58,740 --> 00:11:02,120 variables talk to me more about what you're asking because in the layer 122 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:09,440 specifically the GIS mapping part of what's happening is the roadways are 123 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:15,240 broken down into sections based on block and it is we're working on breaking them 124 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,200 down to where you actually have individual layers that are specific for 125 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,440 sidewalk on both sides of the roadway so it's a little bit more detailed to try 126 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,420 to break it down it looks at the asset from a GIS layer perspective as just 127 00:11:27,420 --> 00:11:30,840 the roadways so now we're working on adding that layer to where it can be 128 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,760 specified with having its own identifier of the of the actual sidewalk along the 129 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,040 mapping system perfect that that's exactly you do this every week you 130 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:45,440 anticipate parts of my question are we separating this the sidewalk layers from 131 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:50,080 the street layers yeah and then the other things I was curious about I'll 132 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,720 just give you enough for instance of why I'm asking this question is are there 133 00:11:53,720 --> 00:12:01,040 things like the these are certain timings or certain projected speedways 134 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:09,360 because I know some of the street data included vehicular speed limits but like 135 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:15,680 we you all also estimate the pedestrian traffic speeds at certain intersections 136 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:21,260 as well or the crossing times that came up in council Tuesday so what I guess 137 00:12:21,260 --> 00:12:28,120 I'm curious what kinds of variables are in the you're projected because you don't 138 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,960 map every single nuance of data that you can mine out of the GIS that's it's too 139 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,720 much you you have typical variable sets so I guess what I'm asking is what's 140 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,680 your variable set that you're you're using in your your day-to-day business 141 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:47,760 and and if I could get that kind of understanding sure then it may be then 142 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,500 everything I'm interested is already there and then I just ask you what the 143 00:12:50,500 --> 00:12:57,400 number is sure so specifically related to the GIS layer itself our goal is to 144 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:02,680 map every asset that we have every sidewalk that we have we'll also want to 145 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:06,520 work towards mapping every bike lane that's already within the system that 146 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:12,120 goal is to then be able to take those into a work order system that we 147 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:17,000 already have currently which we use as cardiograph to be able to say whether or 148 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,600 not there's any maintenance or repair that needs to be done to that system for 149 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,800 example there might be a crosswalk or there might be a bike lane that needs to 150 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:31,360 be updated so our goal is to actually tie that the GIS layer to the individual 151 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:36,880 asset so then we can develop work plans associated with God bless you works work 152 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,200 plans associated with the actual maintenance repair that needs to be 153 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:45,400 performed and I would say as far as signal timing and those things some of 154 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:51,360 the results of the bike pet audit are to we already have worksheets that we're 155 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,080 using and we already have a process that we're doing but then we're going to want 156 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,920 to be able to tie that information to that specific asset so our goal would be 157 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:05,240 is if we go and look at McKinney Street between you know whatever Bell and 158 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:10,240 whatever that we can say this is where a sidewalk is this is where a bike lane is 159 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,120 this is where there's the pedestrian and hybrid beacon crossing right here we've 160 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,880 maintained it every six months or once a year whatever the standard is associated 161 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:23,360 with that so we are working to try to develop the GIS layer to be able to give 162 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,480 the asset identifier information that will then help form our work plans 163 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:34,680 associated with that if that makes sense yes it does and and so I mean yeah no 164 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:41,180 just I won't reiterate just if we if I could get a list of the what you the 165 00:14:41,180 --> 00:14:49,840 types of commonplace layers not what you're capable of but what you're you 166 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:55,280 just typically throw out then then I'd be interested in that and and and then 167 00:14:55,280 --> 00:15:00,440 maybe note what you what you might put public in versus what you keep in house 168 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:07,840 okay so when we bring back the sidewalk by corridor information that is when 169 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,880 we'll go into detail as to here's the layers that were created etc so a lot of 170 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,720 that has already been mapped it's just now taking all those finite pieces and 171 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,360 putting them all together and that's why I don't want to ask questions if the 172 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,080 data I mean I don't mind asking questions but I don't want to ask for an 173 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,080 activity if you already have it sure all I have to do is say hey can I get a 174 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,640 paragraph report on that you know sure I don't want to put anybody out doing a 175 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,880 new thing that isn't a new thing no for sure no I completely understand and I 176 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,920 think that part of that mapping like I said when we bring that back is to 177 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:47,960 describe kind of what goes into without having a foundational GIS layer it's 178 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,080 hard to build and identify the asset and then it's hard to make a work plan 179 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,960 associated with that whether it be a maintenance or whether it be a 180 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,480 completely new reconstruction and then also mapping that with the mobility plan 181 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,680 and all the different multimodal elements of the mobility plan so I 182 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,880 understand where you're going and happy to bring that forward when we're ready 183 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:18,440 thank you yes sir anything else I know that there was some issues over in 184 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:26,240 southeast didn't in regards to Bradshaw Street in in East Prairie Street along 185 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:34,840 the way near the park in and I know that there was it had something to do with it 186 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:43,520 had rained in the complainants were concerned about not being able to get 187 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,560 out of the neighborhood I know that you all may have heard that Seth understands 188 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:55,960 that got immediate action on that but the question now becomes for me is are 189 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:03,880 the same people it's the same company during the entire area or do you all 190 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:10,960 use different contractors for different locations when we're updating the 191 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:17,160 streets one of the streets had a failure in it in it and somebody got stuck in 192 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:22,120 the mud in the other street sure and someone wasn't able to get out out of 193 00:17:22,120 --> 00:17:30,000 the neighborhood or the regular route in their street so my question is because 194 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:35,760 we haven't had a a complainant you know of this nature from the other parts of 195 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:43,920 the community how did this happen and how did this happen in regards to is it 196 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:49,720 the same contractor or is it another contractor for that area so to get into 197 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,960 the specifics I think we'll need to bring that back as a future item I would 198 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,400 just say as a general statement those types of situations happen all over the 199 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,120 city you may just be more aware of the situation because it's directly in your 200 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:07,360 district and then I would say as far as contractors every single project either 201 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:12,000 goes through a Seymour process or a competitive still proposal process and 202 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:18,040 the general contractor can be different and is different throughout the city we 203 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,280 have lots of contractors working in the city so if you want specific information 204 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:27,080 about the southeast didn't bond program then we can have Trevor bring that 205 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:32,340 information back to you and and I would tell you that the concerns that you're 206 00:18:32,340 --> 00:18:36,120 bringing to our attention or things that we were already aware of and on top of 207 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:41,400 and working to try to resolve but in general there are multiple contractors 208 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:46,240 working and they hire multiple subcontractors and some of the concerns 209 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,000 you're bringing forward those are all a part of our specifications with 210 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,920 warranties associated with work and that's why we put a two-year warranty on 211 00:18:53,920 --> 00:19:02,880 all of our projects so and they oh how long two years and then this is my 212 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:08,400 kindergarten level question okay I'd recognize that they're bollards on 213 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:13,720 Oakland Street and I know that we use bollards on on other parts of the 214 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:20,200 streets on North you know on North Road but my question is and I wanted to say 215 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,760 it for this meeting so there may be other people that have this question my 216 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:31,560 question is is that if there's bollards on Oakland Street only on one side is it 217 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:40,680 expected for the cyclists to use that street going in either direction or if a 218 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,600 cyclist is says going north on Oakland Street and there are no bollards there 219 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:53,280 but the bollards are here for the riders on the south side how does 220 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,480 something like that work are they on the other bicyclists in the bollards on the 221 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:03,760 south side even if they're going north or does that play a role in how we put 222 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,960 bollards now if there wasn't any bollards and it was just a street with 223 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:15,160 just a line and you see bikes bike lane that wouldn't pique my interest but 224 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:20,360 because of the nature of this situation over on Oakland Street sure we're in the 225 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:25,240 Parkland we can bring back to you bike etiquette and what they're supposed to 226 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,720 be doing the short answer to your question is is if the bollards are there 227 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:34,280 they're supposed to be riding in it no matter which direction they're going and 228 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,160 we can't force people to do that but that's what they're supposed to be doing 229 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:44,160 and so that's the reason why there's that large bike lane so that it can be 230 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,760 multimodal whether you're walking or biking and it is for it to be used in 231 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:58,080 both directions it would seem to me that the necessary steps to take for that to 232 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:04,120 be a true situation for all for all locations is that those bollards would 233 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:11,400 be literally down the entire street but these bollards just start and then they 234 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:21,080 stop between Congress and Carroll so you know I just say just pique my interest I 235 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,640 drive through that way and and and that was just for me but I'm sure other folks 236 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:30,360 may be interested in that topic as well thank you for that sure we can bring 237 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,680 that back to you I know we've talked about Oakland before but we can kind of 238 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:38,560 show you the overall plan of that road specifically and how they are to 239 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:46,240 traverse and what really bike etiquette is in that area no problem also let's 240 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:54,080 bring back something for more street I just don't see any movement in regards to 241 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:59,920 slowing that street down I know you do know that there are reminders you know 242 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:04,920 you have those lighted reminders on the side of how fast you're going is and I 243 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,800 just want to know if that is all they're going to get there I have not heard any 244 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,000 additional complaints from there we used to hear about a lot of complaints at one 245 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:19,880 time but something's happening over there to keep them from not you know 246 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,880 calling me and saying hey these cars are still going too fast let's get an update 247 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:30,240 on whether or not that is helping out or are we still going to do anything 248 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:37,680 additional for Moore Street and I've been asked that by a resident yeah sure 249 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,600 we don't mind bringing that back at all we do have a project there as we brought 250 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,960 forward to not only the Sedna meeting and then also the southeastern area plan 251 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,360 brought forward and asked a lot of questions we had to have all of those 252 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:54,840 conversations and meetings and out like we reported in the southeastern meeting 253 00:22:54,840 --> 00:23:00,400 we'll be bringing that back within about three to six months so that is a project 254 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:07,840 but we're happy to bring an update to you at the next meeting also on the 255 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:15,160 corner of Morris in Woodrow and it's still Woodrow yes we know that we're 256 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:21,600 getting a new apartment complex there so there's anticipation of more cars being 257 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:28,680 on that roadway and we could see right now that the roadway is full of cars as 258 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:36,160 it is it's growing is there any kind of anticipation of meeting the needs of the 259 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:42,000 folks that are trying to pull out on to Woodrow from Morris Street has there 260 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,520 been any conversation in that regard sure we can bring that line that is 261 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,800 slowing that area down so people can have time to pull out sure I think the 262 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,800 right side of going north is a little higher and they're coming up kind of 263 00:23:54,800 --> 00:24:01,360 coming down a little slope in in so I like you all to take a look at that yes 264 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:05,600 we have that work came up in the southeastern also but we'll bring you 265 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,680 back a report of any plan or action that we do it's in concert with the more 266 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:17,280 street with it okay yes ma'am yes yeah I forgot one that I wanted to ask Becky 267 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:23,080 about and did I presume it was one of you or your team that responded to some 268 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:31,720 of the questions yesterday in council about you know the bike ped audit but I 269 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:38,200 know that that Paul submitted to council several questions from Susie room are 270 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,560 mm-hmm room war and and I wondered if you you and your team have had a chance to 271 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,760 review those and if if so whether you want to bring them back in mobility or 272 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:53,160 put it into a Friday staff if maybe staff could could address some of her 273 00:24:53,160 --> 00:25:00,180 concerns sort of as a leading bike ped community advocate typically what we do 274 00:25:00,180 --> 00:25:04,320 when we receive comments from Susie is sit down with her and go through her 275 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,220 comments and we didn't receive those till right before the council meeting 276 00:25:08,220 --> 00:25:11,400 yesterday so we have not had a chance to even discuss or go through all of them 277 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:17,200 and but what we plan to do is sit down and go through her comments with her and 278 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:22,200 then because there were so many comments that were made I don't believe putting 279 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,120 it in a Friday report is going to be sufficient we'll probably put it in an 280 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:29,760 ISR which will be a part of the Friday report it would not just be a specific 281 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,360 blurb but that would be our anticipation and we will not have that ready for 282 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:38,400 Friday it'll probably be a week or so no yeah I didn't put a time limit on 283 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,640 because I knew some of them were more involved questions so yeah if you're 284 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:49,000 already on top of that then then great yes sir well I don't have any other 285 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:54,240 additional questions or any comments or concerns yes ma'am we did receive one 286 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:59,000 individuals request to speak so I'd like to give them an opportunity I know with 287 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,840 us starting right at 8 o'clock it makes it difficult to get in here and get your 288 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:11,840 comment card written down so I will minimize this and go ahead and let you 289 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:24,280 call that item okay we'll call Liam the cover you'll be you have three minutes 290 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:32,120 all right hello my name is Liam and I'm a member of Abundance Denton as you look 291 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:35,960 to future mobility committee items I'd like to submit an item for your 292 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,400 consideration as you already know DCTA has disinvested from Denton's fixed 293 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,320 route transit cutting a majority of the connect routes in 2021 GoZone has 294 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:50,040 proven an unreliable inefficient inexpensive option it cost DCTA more 295 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:55,880 pride given more pride than buses and has no way to decrease the cost and 296 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,000 still cannot reliably get people to and from work or to doctors appointments on 297 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:05,000 time one result of this disinvestment has been DCTA generating a sizable 298 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,720 stockpile of cash each year they cash out as a percentage of it to Denton to 299 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,840 be used for transit supportive projects with Denton's bus network and shambles 300 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:19,200 the most pressing transit supportive thing Denton can do with these this this 301 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:28,400 up 2024 years funds would be to do would can do with the fund is to do what UNT 302 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,360 does with their transportation funds is to buy bus routes currently on the east 303 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:37,520 side of town there has been many there there are many social services jobs 304 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,800 grocery stores and lots of multifamily mobile home parks which with more on the 305 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,640 way and only has a single meandering connect route which only runs every 43 306 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,800 minutes just till 6 p.m. with all the new development on the way it's the 307 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,120 city's best interest to provide high quality bus service in this area we 308 00:27:55,120 --> 00:28:00,320 propose didn't buy two routes from DCTA for two years to run Monday through 309 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,400 Saturday 6 a.m. to 8 p.m. this time scale will give the routes time to 310 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,800 stabilize and then should work with DCTA to set a ridership target that is met 311 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:15,480 with a result in DCTA moving the routes over their budget over over to their 312 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,680 budget at the end of two years route also there is a white paper that was 313 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,880 emailed to you this morning that should be in there route 3b could be a companion 314 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,920 route to route 3 running every 43 minutes and taking the old route 3 315 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,560 straight to the end of McKinney and back this would provide approximately 20 316 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,240 minutes service too much of route 3 and renew service to Ashley Oaks Denton 317 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,280 Falls the shores and Ryan High route 2 would be running every 20 minutes along 318 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:50,200 loop 288 and from 380 to the mall this will provide a service to the mall the 319 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,320 288 shopping districts and thousands of existing incoming multifamily units this 320 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,200 would also be a generational investment in dens future to accessible climate 321 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,680 friendly future and won't need to pave paradise to meet our growing traffic 322 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:10,840 demands this would this also helps prevent more traffic getting onto certain 323 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:16,560 roads which is important to everybody thank you I yield the remainder of my 324 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,660 time thank you very much that's very important and very insightful and I just 325 00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:26,120 happen to agree with everything that I've heard I'd appreciate that thank you 326 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,120 you can have a any questions yeah no I one of the things we can do with 327 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:35,720 citizens comments is ask for future agenda items so what I'm gonna do is ask 328 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,920 chair if you would I assume you got it if you didn't I and it's an email from 329 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:47,000 Christie I just hadn't looked at it that why don't we pass this off to staff and 330 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:53,600 ask them in some future agenda meeting to to evaluate pros and cons that they 331 00:29:53,600 --> 00:30:01,120 see out of that kind of plan so that and then we can potentially move from there 332 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:08,220 maybe that's a mobility agenda item maybe that's an ISR but that'd be what I 333 00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:14,800 would request is so that we can see staff's comments on the the potentials 334 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:22,560 of this plan and also just had in mind that we would ask our DCTA rep to give 335 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,560 us an update I'd like to see it at City Council meeting I know that they do come 336 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,560 to City Council meetings and give us an update I've been recognizing that they 337 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:39,160 were not coming to a mobility committee since they've gotten a new CEO not sure 338 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:46,400 how that turned out that way but we definitely still are very interested in 339 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:52,200 our transportation system on the east side we that's the most vulnerable 340 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,440 conditions and we even saw some of that data yesterday with through our auditor 341 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:03,640 auditor so yeah we're definitely gonna have to bring that back I don't know how 342 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:09,240 that's gonna look but I'd like to hear from our DCTA representative or someone 343 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:15,920 from DCTA sure and we have DCTA already on the agenda for the council work 344 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:22,820 session in November so what we'll do is happy to receive the letter and review 345 00:31:22,820 --> 00:31:27,080 it see if there's anything that we need to bring forward prior to that with the 346 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,960 October meeting but that more than likely we will ask DCTA to address that 347 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,720 during their council meeting or in another form but they are coming forward 348 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,560 for their regular update in November okay that'll be great all right well 349 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,560 thank you very much Liam we appreciate you bringing that back to us thank you 350 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:51,400 for letting me speak so are there anything else that you wanted to bring 351 00:31:51,400 --> 00:32:02,760 up are there any concluding items well I don't have you're okay I'm just curious 352 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,640 is anybody going to TML are there are there any no none of the engineering 353 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:14,040 staff are going to TML okay then then then council bird and I will bring back 354 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:20,600 even more annoying ideas from TML when we go about keeping up with the Joneses 355 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:28,460 in all the many extra layers of duty and FTE that we'll be asking you for and 356 00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:32,960 unfortunately I won't be going to T T well I didn't know when I was gonna get 357 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,200 my hip replaced you know I was just kind of waiting on that and it was kind of 358 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,960 lingering around and I missed the deadlines and things like that I was 359 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,960 there wasn't on my mind so we'll have to depend on you to bring everything back 360 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,360 or appreciate it okay so if there's no concluding items will declare the 361 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:55,960 meeting over at 8 32 a.m. on Wednesday September 23rd thank you