Aug 17, 2022 Mobility Committee on 2022-08-17 9:00 AM

>> Thank you. I'm going to get. I thought I heard him coming. So items for individual consideration, MC22020, consider approval of the minutes of July 20th, 2022, you're just in time. Can I get a motion for approval of the minutes? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Aye. >> Okay. So the approval of the minutes have been approved. Next item on the agenda is MC22024, receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction on adding a public comment section to the Mobility Committee agenda. >> So thank you very much. So really what we wanted to do today is take the opportunity to talk about -- I know last meeting we actually had a conversation about adding a public comment section. It wasn't formalized. So we just wanted to entertain today if the committee is still interested in having that public comment. And so then staff will work forward with adding that to the agendas from here on out. But we just needed to work through the process of formalizing it. >> Yeah. So obviously I brought this up last month. We had a member of the public who was here to comment last month. And being a body that's governed by the Texas Open Meetings Act, if someone shows up and wants to comment, we are going to let them. But I just think that it would help with clarity and everybody being on the same page and communication with members of the public if we had an actual agenda item to sort of clearly communicate that, yes, members of the public are allowed to comment on these meetings. >> Any additional comments? >> No. >> So I move approval. >> What rules would govern it? Would it be the same -- three minutes, four minutes? >> Oh, good point. I don't know that we -- do we have -- what are the rules governing public comment, for example, at P&Z meetings? Is it the same as council meetings? >> Typically it is the same requirements of the three to four minutes. So we can work through -- I don't know, Marcella, if you have any additional feedback on that, but we would work through following the same procedures as the standard open meetings at it. >> Yeah. So generally it would be the same. So it would be the same procedures as the standard open meetings. There is some leeway in time length and things like that. It just has to be posted on the agenda and clear what the procedures are ahead of time so that everyone knows, you know, what's going on. And then if you're going to allow public comment that would have a subject matter, then there would be some additional restrictions on that related to Texas open meetings because that speaker would only be able to speak on that subject matter. But if it's just a general public comment period, then there's -- you know, they can comment openly on the discussion. >> And so my question would be you all guiding us on setting the agenda that's going to reflect all of that if someone calls in and has something that's related to the items, you all will have already had that information as we do on our agendas for the city council meeting. Is there an agenda item that we can call in and have to call in early? >> Can I make a -- have a response? >> Yes. >> I don't think we need to have a public comment like we do for citizens' reports or open mic. I think if there's a public comment, it should relate directly to an agenda item that we are considering because, I mean, I just don't think that would be appropriate for a subcommittee because we are a subcommittee and if they want to share with the full council on the agenda, I think they would be able to do that at council meetings, which are more -- I think we meet, what, is it once a month? Twice a month? >> Twice a month. >> So same frequency. And then they're addressing the whole council. So if they want to address, in my opinion, if they want to address something on the agenda, it would almost be like an item for individual consideration that if someone is here and they want to speak on something on the agenda, well, then we have a process whereby they can either fill out a blue card or probably not. It could be more informal than that. I don't know. I don't know if that's the purpose of this. I don't know if that's the purpose of this, whatever it is that we do. But to have it as an open mic or a citizen's report on talk about anything, quite frankly, I mean, that would open this up to people coming in here talking about all kinds of things that aren't mobility related. And then we also would have to decide, well, how many people, how many speakers do you limit it to? >> Yeah. >> So those are just my thoughts on it because, I mean, we're here to talk about mobility issues. >> Yeah. >> And I certainly want to hear what they have to say about that. >> Okay. >> But something else? Yeah. >> I think that's a fair concern. My only question would be for legal, like, are we allowed to limit it to only items that are on the agenda or do we, you know, under TOMA, have to allow for just general comments? >> So that would mostly depend on how it's written on the agenda. So on our council agendas, for example, there's two separate places for public comment. There's that open mic section where they can kind of preregister and talk on any subject. And then there's citizen comment on consent. And then I believe it's the white cards that they submit for each individual consideration item. So it would just depend on how it's written in the agenda. >> Well, I think the thing -- I think the thrust of her question was does TOMA -- because I know we had some legal status reports on TOMA and people speaking at council meetings, that you have to allow them to speak. But I think the question was, can we limit their input to just the specific agenda item, substantive agenda item, or do they have a right to speak on anything? And based on your response, what I thought I heard you say was if we've posted it as a general public comment and an open mic, they can. But does TOMA require a body such as this that's subject to TOMA have to let someone speak on anything that's unrelated to anything on the agenda? >> So that's where my answer came on, how it was written on the agenda. So if it's posted as public comment or open reports from the public, then there is that expectation that the public could be -- >> So if it's not, then TOMA doesn't require it -- TOMA doesn't require us to provide a public comment section or if we put it on there, that's fine. But it doesn't require us to do that. >> Correct, yeah. TOMA relates to when deliberations are taken in public. >> Okay. All right. >> Okay. Well, so to address the concern that, you know, we want to kind of keep it on topic, given that this is a very, you know, kind of specific subcommittee, would it be better then, instead of having a public comment section on the agenda, to just have instructions at the top of the agenda for if you want to comment on one of these agenda items, here's how you do it. >> I think that's more appropriate. >> I would be fine with that. >> Okay. So that's the way it will be written out on the agenda at our meetings. >> Okay. >> And if anybody wants to speak to the mobility committee on an item, then that's the direction that we'll go. Is that what I'm hearing? >> Yes, yeah. No, that's about me. >> All right. >> Do we need a motion? >> I think we're probably good. >> Well, just for clarification, so if there is an item that's not posted on the agenda that someone would like to speak with, is the committee comfortable with having that individual speak with them individually so that if it's something y'all would like to bring up during the future agenda item section that we could work through that? Because some of the things that happen are we have individuals that reach out and say they want to make a presentation to Traffic Safety Commission, Mobility Committee, et cetera, which I'm perfectly fine with working through that process, but maybe what we might be able to work through is if there is an individual who wants to do so, then bring it to one of the individuals who are on either the committee or the commission's attention, and then we add that as a possible future agenda item so that it would then be posted and they could speak on it. Does that work okay? >> Yes. >> That could be one solution. I would almost feel more comfortable if somebody is really wanting to give a presentation directing them to come to a council meeting. >> Okay. >> And do that during the public comment, like pre-register. >> Sure. >> For public comment at council meeting. >> That makes sense, too. >> Because generally, if somebody is coming before this committee with a presentation, it's because they want to give it in public. >> Sure. >> Not just in a private conversation. But yeah, I think that would be fine. >> And there are times that there's an operational issue that they might want us to look into that they want to bring before this committee that, you know, there might be -- I mean, I'll just use an example. Bike bollards on a certain location, you know, they might want to bring to this committee or to traffic safety because it's a specific item related to that. So that was the reason why I had the question is how do we work through that? But I think I understand. So would you like to repeat? >> So I mean, my direction -- this is just me. I don't think I speak for the body necessarily. But my direction would be if someone comes -- not traffic safety because that's a citizen committee, right? But if somebody wants to speak to the mobility committee about a topic that's not listed on an agenda, that they be encouraged to preregister to speak in a council meeting. >> Okay. And then we'll just include in the agenda instructions on how they would actually speak specifically on a posted item. >> Yes. >> Okay. Great. Got it. Thank you. >> I don't think we need a motion or anything. >> Yeah, no, it's just direction. Is everybody else in agreement with the idea of directing folks to preregister for council meetings? Is that more appropriate? Okay. Thank you. Also that we'll move on -- >> I'm sorry, Councilmember McGuire. I do want to mention also that those would be individuals that would have to be able to come in person because our committee currently does not have the ability to have someone call in for this specific meeting. >> Yes. Yeah. And I was aware of that. But thank you for stating that explicitly. >> I apologize. I just wanted to make sure. >> Public commenters must be present in person for this committee. >> Okay. And we'll also add that to the report. I'm sorry. We'll also add that to the report. I'm sorry. I just wanted to make sure. >> Okay. So we'll move on to NCE 22019, receive a report, hold discussion, and give staff direction regarding the revised mobility committee meeting schedule for 2022. >> Absolutely. So as you are aware, we meet monthly. 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We're going to get to the good news here in a second. Here we go. All right. So the Texas Transportation Commission in its August meeting on August 30th will be reviewing the draft 10-year unified transportation plan. The draft unified transportation plan will include and does include, and will still be there in September if they approve it as is, $188 million for the construction of the frontage roads from 407 to the Loop 288, 2449 project. So after this month, we'll check with the powers of the bay. If they don't change it, then they rarely change it between August and September. We will show, going forward, the funding will go from an asterisk to $188 million in the year that they put it in. So essentially, this is one of those projects where we started not knowing where the money is going to come from back in the day. So you see, the schematic was approved in 2020, which means we were working on it for two or three years before that. And now we've got the money, but we still got to go through all the processes of acquiring the right-of-way, moving the utilities, and designing the project. And keep in mind, that $188 million doesn't just build the frontage roads. If it comes to a cross street, it builds the permanent ultimate grade separation at that cross street. So if we're flipping the stack, this project flips the stack. If we're not, and we're just widening it to the ultimate width for the freeway, it does that. So it's more than just frontage roads. Frontage roads and the cross streets. So we finally got it funded, which is usually the case. Still got to work through right-of-way and utilities. So your U.S. 380 section across the lake. We continue to work with the district to stay in the area office to stay on top of what's going on out there. They are going to be shifting the phasing for part of the road from basically the lake back to the city early. And that will help them catch up on their completion date. Right now it says November 23, but if you read in here, we are working on getting a recovery schedule. The recovery schedule has been submitted and reviewed. So we are working to maintain and expedite this project to its original contract date of November. Frontage roads. We continue on the design on this project, the right-of-ways being acquired. And this is one of the other projects, and I guess this is as good a time as any. The way we are getting some of these projects funded is that, like I said, Austin and Houston are being sued. They are suing TxDOT. And they met with Houston about six months ago. And not only do they have that $9 billion project that's on the bubble now. They've got about $2 billion worth of real roads that are in their four-year plan, which is the STIP, State Transportation Improvement Program, that they're not going to be able to get to in the '23 and '24 fiscal year timeframe. And so what the commission has directed staff to do is to not defund those projects in the Harris District or the Houston District, but to move them out of the STIP, which means they wouldn't be in these first four years. They'd be moved out to year nine or six or whatever. Those dollars in those '23 and '24 fiscal years still need projects. And so they are directing the districts, other districts, to be ready to submit candidate projects for those dollars. And the criteria has to be that they have to be able to be let go and constructed in that '23, '24 timeframe. And so what's driving the boat on the loop is the utilities because of those transmission lines and all those gas wells out there. And so TechStat Dallas is looking at to see if there's any way they can expedite at least some portion of 288, so whether it be the northern half, because if we can get the northwest quadrant under construction, then it'll allow the city to come back and consider having a no truck route through the heart of Denton and making them go up and around 380 to go past your core for pass-through vehicles. O&D are still eligible to come in town, but those that are just on the Texas trunk system would have to go up and around to bypass the city. So there's activity that's going to be going on with this project over the next 18 months. Some of what we were doing with the frontage roads just a minute ago. >> Question, Madam Chair. >> Yes. >> So John, let me make sure I understood what you just said. So it's possible that if we are far enough along that some of that funding that I think you call them the STIP or STIF or whatever it was -- >> STIP. >> -- STIP is allocated. This could be a project that -- and that means it would have to be -- did you say constructed and completed? >> No, it has to be able to be start in those two fiscal years. >> Okay. >> So that's a tight -- 23 would be tight for us, but 24 we may be able to do. >> Sure. >> Because although it's got a ready to let of April of '26, you'll look that we're putting significant time allocations in there for right-of-way and utility relocations. And the right-of-way acquisition is going faster than the -- than what they anticipated because they've already -- it says all parcels are in appraisal, but we were also told after we had this report done that they've made -- they've got parcel offers out already on some -- so those appraisals are done and the offers are being made. So this is a candidate for -- >> Good. >> -- chasing those dollars. There will be several of them here. >> I have a question. You say it has to be started. Is it started or does start mean shovels in the ground? >> So it has to be -- have a ready to let so they can go to construction in those two fiscal years, and that's September to August of those fiscal years, '23 and '24. So everything we're doing on this list where it says right-of-way, utilities, environmental, all those have to be done, and that ready to let date, we'd have to shave off some time on it, but we think we can do that, especially if we decide that we can't do the whole project, we're going to focus on that northwest quadrant so that we can get that truck route rerouted. >> I have another question. Sorry. Lots of questions. So my question is about the interchange at 35W and future loop 288. Is that going to be like a grade separated interchange where 288 becomes vintage, or is it going to be like there's an on ramp onto 35? >> Excellent question. So it will have direct connects from 35W to 288, and from loop 288 to 35W, but there will not be any large structures that ties vintage into the freeway with those direct connects, because the intent was we don't want to be driving 70 mile an hour vehicles down vintage. So vintage, if you want to get onto the freeway vintage, you'll do it just like you're doing now. You come up to a signal, get on the frontage road, you go to your next on ramp. If you want to go south, you'll cross, get on the next on ramp. So there's no easy way to get from the loop to vintage. You'll have to get off the main lanes, drop onto the frontage road, stop at the signal at the interstate, cross the interstate, and then go down vintage. >> Good, good, good. I was starting to get a little bit worried about people flying down 288. >> We anticipated that. >> Right down vintage, yeah. >> Loop 288 east, yesterday, I think today's Wednesday, yes. Ditton County Commissioner's Court hired Pacheco Cope to begin the environmental work. So we'll probably by our next meeting have an actual schedule that we can start proposing to keep, and this is to add frontage roads and a grade separation at King's, I think, King's Road. >> King's Road. >> King's Road. And then it'll have a tie-in. We're showing that green line here, but nobody that's in this quadrant freak out because we don't really know what we're doing. What we're doing is we've got to have a better connection from the loop and through 380 than the box that's there now. So we'll figure that out as we move forward. 1515 is one of those projects that we're saying is also eligible for that '23-'24 fiscal year roundup because we are already in October of '24, and that's just one month outside of that fiscal year for '23, so we're definitely chasing those dollars for FM 1515, and that's a -- that's a $38 million job, and we have 500,000, so we're almost there. What could happen? 1173 is another one of those projects, and as a matter of fact, what we're being told is if -- half associates -- we just got them on contract a few months ago, so it's really not their fault, but we are looking at trying to get plans adequate by, I think, December -- I can't remember what they said. I think it was December, and if we can get the plans adequate by December, the Dallas district wants to include FM 1173 as part of the big 35 job because we're building the connection for the future 1173 at Barthold Road anyway, and it'll help us clean up this whole area if we can go ahead and get that done as part of the 35 job. So this is another one of those ones that we're -- we're on the bubble on. >> So is the plan to make a grade separation there at that 77 Barthold Road? >> It's already in the 35 project, so we're moving the 77 -- 1173 intersection to that 77 where the truck stop is. That's where the grade separation is going to be. That old 1173 will not cross the railroad track there. It'll be dead-ended, and we'll have to figure out what we're going to do with that section of the road. Elm and Locus. Okay, so since we last met, Travis and Becky are working getting closer to the -- what they think the full payment design needs to be based on the information they're getting out of the -- Austin from the ESL study. But if you were looking at the bond program workshops, you'll note that half of the county's 14 million is in that bond program, specifically spelled out, and the intent is to -- there are some projects that we think that are in the bond program that will get funded by the state, and we'll have money to move to the remaining part of this project so that whenever we need the $21 million to do, Elm and Locus will have it just in time delivery. You see the resurfacings are going on. There was a little bit of trouble early on because the heat was so hot that the asphalt was peeling up and had to go back and recalculate the formula, and it's my understanding that they are doing that, and they should be done by November with all the resurfacing, and -- >> Was that -- sorry, Madam Chair, question. >> Yes. >> Was that -- when was that completed? Originally. What, four or five years ago? >> Oh, well, so when Buzz started in TechStat as an intern, they were building 35, and they haven't stopped since. But the last one was -- we started 12, so I think it was what, 16, 17, 18? >> So -- and that was my question. So the pavement -- so you're saying the formula was miscalculated originally? >> No, no. On this resurfacing, the -- when they got the contract and started doing the resurfacing, we were only in the '90s and whatever, but as they went into the full-on summer, the temperature got to where they had to change the formula. They had to go back to the factory -- or not factory, but the mixing plant to change their formula. So they stopped for about a month to get that recalibrated. But the AGL contract that TechStat did to do the interim improvements that were done four or five years ago did not include any overlay or any improvement to surface ride. They were trying to save money, right? So now we're coming back and trying to -- this was that -- okay, now I've got you. I'm just mixing up my projects. >> Yeah. So this is to get you a somewhat rideable surface, and AGL moved the striping so much, they were using temporary striping. And as you all can tell, if you're driving at certain times of the day, you can't even -- you're not really sure what stripes you're supposed to follow, the ones they erased or the ones that you can't see. So they're coming back with a striping tool. >> That's all I have, Madam Chair. >> Okay. >> I don't know. Am I supposed to get out of this? >> Thank you very much. We appreciate the updates. >> Thank you. >> Do I have any additional questions, comments, or concerns about anything in that area? All right. If there's not any other questions or comments or concerns, we will move -- >> Sorry, I do, because I thought I said I was going to say I was going to say I was going to say I was going to -- sorry, I do, because I thought -- sorry, I found an acronym that I thought I was going to look up and then it wasn't in our glossary here. ESAL, area office is awaiting delivery of ESAL from Tex.Austin to prepare. >> You're going to have to walk back to the mic. >> Oh, yeah. >> Sorry, because I know that last month we were talking about pavement design plans for Elm and Locust. I want to make sure I understand what the update is here. >> So basically there are engineers that do certain types of things, traffic engineering. There are certain guys that do pavement design based on traffic that's going to drive it and soil conditions. That's generally what it is. I'll have to get you the actual verbiage on what that means, but it's basically pavement design. >> Okay. So we are anticipating an agreement on pavement design this month. Cool. Thanks. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. We'll move on to MC-22023 staff report. Bonnie Bray Street update. Citywide speed study update. Future items for mobility committee meeting for 2022. >> All righty. So just a couple of really quick updates. These are standard updates we're going to be doing every month. Just wanted to bring you up to date with Bonnie Bray Street. We're going to be talking about really from between 35 and scripture, which we call 4B. So 4B specifically, as you're aware, we're putting in an overlay in that area. And we anticipate that to be complete here just in the next few weeks. So mid-September. It's just a temporary driving surface. It's not obviously the permanent condition, but this is just to help us through that process until we actually start as a part of the county bond program to receive that additional funding as long as that passes in November to actually do the permanent improvements, which is a four-lane divided roadway in this section. >> Quick question, Madam Chair. On that, because I drive that almost daily because it's on the route home, on the new pavement that was done just recently, there's already beginning to be kind of dips and things like that in it. So, I mean, are we -- because I know they're grinding up the old surface and trying to do a fairly decent preparation of the roadbed. Is that -- I mean, who's -- do we have any type of warranty work on that temporary surface? Or it just -- I mean, because what was done is just smooth as glass, and now you can already begin to see some of the settlements and the dips. So how do we deal with that? Or is it just -- that's just the way it is? >> Well, a couple things. One, the project hadn't been accepted yet. So if there are specific areas that we're already seeing concerns, that will be some things that we want to work through. >> Okay. >> And then, two, I would say that our ultimate goal, because of the thickness, it's really just a two-inch overlay. And the goal for that is to be a riding surface that is -- was more amenable than the existing condition with the patches. >> Well, of course, anything would be. >> And so it's to buy time until we have the opportunity to actually start the construction. Because ultimately, I really didn't want to have a surface out there that was some of the conditions we see, and I'll use the example of Elm and Locust as we're working through the process. >> Sure. >> But if there are specific areas, and obviously I'll bring that to the inspectors' attention and work through that. But if there are specific areas that we're seeing some type of failure, we will see some of that just because of the type of construction. But if there's something that we can improve before we accept it, we want to do that. >> Okay. All right. Good. Thank you. >> And then on Bonneberry Phase 3, which is actually Rose Lawn Drive to 35, and then Bonneberry Phase 6, which is US 380 to 77, those are both on track to begin construction by the end of the year. They both have an approximate two-year timeline. And I will tell you that on Bonneberry Phase 6, we have not acquired all the right-of-way. We have one parcel that's still remaining, which has been remaining for a number of months. But we've made the decision to move forward with bidding that project and being very specific with the contractor as to what areas he can work in and cannot simply because we want to get that project underway. And so similarly on Phase 3, our goal is to have both of those out to bid and by the end of the year. So then depending on bidding process, et cetera, timeline, we will work to, you know, really have those completed by the end of 2024 is the goal. >> Quick question, Madam Chair. >> Sure. >> On the parcel that's left. >> Yes, sir. >> What stage are we -- have we -- has that come to -- I don't guess -- has it come to council frame? The domain has it? >> So in the very beginning, similar to like you saw last night on 35, we went through the process to show you different parcels that we thought we would need to go to eminent domain on. I'll have to confirm that that section of Bonnie Bray did come through the process. My recollection is, yes, it did, and it's been some time ago, probably close to almost two years ago. But this one particular parcel has a right-of-way reservation, not dedication on their plat. And so that's what we're actually working through. >> So it's not -- it's different? >> It's a little bit different. >> Okay. >> And it's actually something that's been constructed within the last five years. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Absolutely. So we're working through that. But the good news story is that both of those are going to be getting to construction by the end of the year and then starting with getting those taken care of. So, you know, ultimately our goal is to not only get three and six under construction and completed by the end of quarter four, but then also through the Denton County bond package, which I know y'all have seen information we've been providing on that, we did submit for Bonnie Bray what we call 4B, which is from Scripture to 35 and then 5, which is from Scripture to 380 as a part of the county bond package, and both of those have made the cut. So we're very excited about that. So then from there, we hope to have all the way from Rose Lawn to 77 completed, which not just is that a roadway project, understand, it's a water, a sewer. In many cases, some of the infrastructure has already been completed. It also will include sidewalks or side paths. There will be new intersection improvements with signalization at several of the locations, specifically on Bonnie Bray Phase 6, like at Windsor, Bronco Way, Riney Road intersection, and then, of course, at 77 we'll be changing kind of that configuration on Bonnie Bray. So you'll see that throughout the project itself. Any other questions on Bonnie Bray? >> I have a question. So I'm really glad to hear that there's kind of a sense of urgency and that I know that it's a little bit of a risk to keep moving forward, even though right-of-way acquisition isn't 100% complete, but I appreciate that y'all are trying to move as quickly as you can. Can you give us an update? You know, I know we heard a little bit in a Friday report about some temporary pedestrian improvements in the Bonnie Bray Phase 6 area. Can you tell us a little bit more about what the temporary solutions are and then what the permanent solutions are going to be? >> Sure. So the temporary solutions are what you see on the ground today. Improvements were made at the intersection of Bonnie Bray and Windsor to actually re-stripe the crosswalks in that area and add some additional notification, warning, advancement on the stop signs at that location. And then there is existing sidewalk all the way along the eastern side of Bonnie Bray. And then at the intersection of Rainey Road, Bronco Way, a four-way stop, all-way stop condition was installed along with advanced warning information on the stop signs so that you can see that, along with some additional ramps in that area, and then, of course, a crosswalk. And I will tell you I'm very proud of the team. That all came together very quickly. And you're looking at one of the individuals in the room, Mr. Andrews, who made a lot of that happen, along with Mr. Pedigo, who worked with one of our contractors to make sure that there was a safe passageway for children to walk to school across Bonnie Bray at Windsor, all the way north up Bonnie Bray, and then, of course, to cross the street again to get to Bronco Way. So those temporary improvements have all been constructed. We're still evaluating if there's anything additional that we feel like needs to happen. There also has been the school zone installation that you passed last night at council that resolution on, and that's not only along Bronco Way, but that's also along Bonnie Bray itself. We'll continue to have additional conversations with the school district. We meet with them monthly. And then, of course, we have our joint meeting with them on the 30th, where we'll be talking about, I'm sure, many items. And we have a presentation prepared to talk through a lot of those. Permanent condition was really what we showed in the Friday report, which will be two lanes in each direction. There will be a median. There will be some left and right turn lanes, signalization at Bonnie Bray and Windsor, Bronco Way and Riney Road, and then also signalization at 77 and Bonnie Bray. And also, there will be a 10-foot side path that will be along the entire eastern boundary of that project. And then on the western boundary of the project, there will be a 6 to 8-foot. It varies in some locations due to the right-of-way takes in those areas. So that's the permanent condition for Bonnie Bray. >> Okay, excellent. And we should expect the signalization and the new side path on the west to be done by the end of 2024? >> Yes, ma'am. That's all a part of the project. And the side path will actually be on the eastern side. There will be a sidewalk on the western side. >> Oh, yes. Excuse me. >> No, you're fine. I just wanted to make sure. So very excited about getting that started. It is a little bit risky to take, but at this point, I'm willing to take the risk so that we can get the project moving forward. >> I have a question about medians. >> Sure. >> I know that we had a bit of a discussion, a little bit of a discussion about the conservation of water and impact of planting trees and medians. Tell us a little bit about how that will work along the Bonnie Bray and really your thoughts on how that works all over the city. Are we going to start adding that particular conversation in the mobility packets? >> So I'm not aware of the conversation that you're referring to, but let me give you some general speak. So on Bonnie Bray itself, we will work with the parks department as to whether there will be pavers or whether that will actually be a grass median, whether there will be installation of any type of trees. With trees comes irrigation such as drip lines, et cetera. So those will all be parts of the project depending on which route we go. So there's many different opportunities. There are opportunities where sometimes there's actually like a brick type paver looking. It's actually concrete. It's just stamped in some of those areas. Some of those decisions are financial decisions the city has to make. And then also the maintenance. So keep in mind that anything that we install within a city right away has to be maintained by our parks department or either through a contract. So those are decisions that we will work through with the parks department. And as far as Bonnie Bray phase six, I'm happy to -- or even phase three, I'm happy to bring that back in the next update. I am not aware with what the final decision are either on one of those projects. So that's a great question, and I'll have to bring that back to you. >> I just have always personally have been concerned about adding trees to medians because of the requirement to keep them alive. >> Sure. >> And we know that we are talking about water conservation all over the country right now. >> Absolutely. >> And for us to do our part in making sure that we're zero scaping, is that the word? >> Absolutely. Zero scaping. You know, as appropriate. And we could be a city that could be in front of all of that. So if we choose to be. >> Absolutely. I appreciate that comment. I would also say that one of the things that comes to my mind is from a safety perspective, wanting to make sure there's a clear line of sight if trees are installed. Sometimes they do, you know, cause that issue. But there are things that can be done from a design perspective. So, you know, that's where the irrigation appropriate, you know, measures have to be made. Even concrete, you know, will have to be maintained at some level. Especially if there happens to be an accident. Sometimes those have to be replaced, et cetera. But I apologize. I don't know the answer to how we're handling either one of those projects. I haven't thought to that level of detail. But I will definitely bring that back at the next report. >> All right. Thank you. >> Absolutely. >> If I can add to that, just kind of a slightly different perspective, and I know that this isn't exactly your purview, but maybe you can work this into your conversations that, you know, yeah, we are continuing a conversation about water conservation. I would be cautious about applying that conversation to trees. Trees tend to be not quite as water intensive as, for example, turf and grass. And trees have so many other benefits that turf and grass don't have as far as carbon sequestration and dealing with heat deserts, right? I mean, if you're walking down the street on a roadway that has no trees versus a roadway that is tree lined, that's -- it's a lot more manageable if there are trees. So I hear you and I'm also concerned about water conservation. I would rather see us address that by reducing the amount of turf rather than the number of trees. >> Okay. >> Me personally. >> No, that makes sense. And you are absolutely correct. It's more of a landscape architect type conversation. And so those are things that we put as a part of these projects and work through that with the Parks Department. So we can bring back specifically what's going to happen and what's planned for Bonneberry Phase 3 and Phase 6. So then the last thing is really not much different than the update that you saw last month on the citywide speed study. I think you're all aware that we're coming to you on September 27th to counsel for that overall update. Nathan has been working through some internal reviews with our team. We're also meeting with the city manager's office to go through the presentations and the updates. I do want to keep in mind that there's going to be certain parameters that our team's not going to be able to evaluate, such as tech stock roadways. There's a whole different procedure that works through speed limits from tech stock roadway perspective. And Nathan will go into a lot greater detail on that during his presentation. And we'll also work through school zones. There's some cleanup that we'd like to do between what is allowed in school zone ordinances that we currently have versus what's actually the ordinances for the actual speeds on the roadways. And so we'll work through that and it'll be categorized into different topics and it'll help narrow down what the true focus of the citywide speed study is. So we're really looking forward to having that conversation with all of you. And I don't know that there's anything really to add to that, but just been an ongoing process. And I will tell you, just to add, I guess one other thing is we do meet monthly with our police department, with our traffic division officers. And we had a conversation with them actually last week specifically related to some of the data. And I think Nathan's done a really good job with the study that's been produced that will be presented to you to show where a lot of the crashes are actually happening. And I think it'll be eye-opening to see. It probably won't be anything that you didn't already figure out, but a lot of that is happening along Tech Start roadways such as I-35. So we can work through that with you and very excited about having that as another item that we'll have checked off the list as we work through that process. So any additional questions on that? >> Any additional questions? >> So the last item is any future agenda item. So is there anything that the committee would like for our team to bring forward? I know these two are the standard items that we're going to continue to bring forward, but anything else that you would like to see that we bring forward and discuss with you? >> Did you want to go first? >> Yes, please, if it's okay. So I like getting the weekly update on Bonnie Bray. Would you be willing to add Hickory Creek and Ryan Road to that kind of update? Obviously, Ryan Road is probably going to be a lot of -- it's not going to be ready to let until whenever it's going to be ready. But if we could just kind of get a standing update on that. >> Sure. >> It's just a one sentence. >> So let me just verify that I'm understanding you correctly. Would you like it to be something that we're bringing to the mobility committee or are you asking for that to be in the Friday report? >> Oh, I -- probably Friday report would be easier, I guess. >> Either way. We take the same information. >> You want it weekly? >> I don't think I need it weekly. >> Okay. Well, if you're not needing it weekly, then what I would suggest is we just make it another agenda item that we bring forward the update similar to how we're doing. They're simple for us to update. I will tell you Ryan Road is probably not going to change a whole lot because that project is not going to be completed for a couple of years because we're obviously going to wait for phase three of Hickory Creek Road to be at a very final form. But we can update you. And that did make the Denton County bond list also. >> Awesome. Yeah. The Ryan Road thing, I know that the dates have been kind of moving around and like last time I got an update on it. I think the dates have changed since the last time I got an update on it. So could you just kind of give us an update on what the new timeline is, I guess. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> That's what I'm hoping for. >> We can do that. That's not a problem. And keep in mind those dates are going to shift as Hickory Creek phase three shifts. So -- and then I guess on Hickory Creek Road, are you specifically just asking about phase three? Phase two is finishing up construction. So just curious if you want both phases or just phase three? >> I just like, I guess, updates on the timeline of whatever's coming up next. >> Okay. That's no problem. Very similar to what we do for bond committee. So we are good with that. >> Well, the Hickory Creek -- Hickory Creek is easy to find on the website. So I guess, Ryan, what are you going to do with that? >> I'm going to update the timeline. I'm going to update the timeline. >> I'm going to update the timeline. >> I'm going to update the timeline. So I guess Ryan Road is not on the website currently. >> Sure. And I will add that if that's something that we can add to Disgust Denton to help with that message, too, we're happy to do so also. >> Actually, maybe that's what I'd rather have. If you could just add Ryan Road to just the website, just Improving Denton and -- >> That's simple. >> Because you have really good, really clear timelines for Hickory Creek on Improving Denton. And I'd just like to see that same thing for Ryan Road, really. >> Ryan Road is on Disgust Denton. >> Okay. >> Sorry. >> Well, how about this? We're going to verify that the projects that are the high-profile projects that we're working on that are the roadways that are coming through town will confirm that all of those are on Disgust Denton, that the information is the most updated, as we just made an update for the bond committee that we'll be presenting on Friday. And then if there's any additional information that you want to share with us, we'll be happy to do so. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Well, we're going to have the meeting on Friday. And then if there's any additional questions, we can always bring that back. And we'll just continue down the path of bringing Bonnie Bray and Citywide Speed Study. And then next month we'll have a conversation to discuss the median improvements on Bonnie Bray 3 and 6. >> Sorry. I'm not seeing Ryan Road, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. >> Okay. Well, we can show you after the meeting. Maybe this is just a me issue. >> It's okay. There's no problem. We'll walk through it. And if Logan has found the location, then we can show you that directly after the meeting. >> Councilmember Watts, did you have any additional comments? >> Okay. Well, my question is going to be in regards to the bond package. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And I've heard you mention that a couple of times. Will it be out of order for me to ask for you all to add that to the list of conversations that we have on a monthly basis as to what roads in, you know, at some point in the next 15, 20 years to, you know, keep us up with what's happening as far as the bond package is concerned? >> Sure. No problem. We did provide an update in the most recent Friday report, but I'm happy to bring that forward. It'll be very similar as it'll kind of be standstill until the November election, but we can at least provide you a summary of which projects made the list, what we're moving forward. So happy to do so. Just did similar for the bond committee, so that's no issue at all, and we can bring that up as an additional item. >> Okay. And as far as I'm concerned, that's the only things that I have. Either you all have any last minute considerations. Thank you. >> Absolutely. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> So we have concluding items. Anyone has a concluding item they want to add? Share. All right. So if there's no concluding items, then we will conclude this meeting at 10.01. Thank you. >> Absolutely. Happy to help. >> Okay.