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April 13, 2022 Economic Development Partnership Board
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             All right and with more work we're gonna go ahead and move in I'm Steve Edgar I'm
 the vice chair Jill Jester the chair of this committee is out of town this week
 and so our today wasn't able to attend so we'll move forward with our agenda
 the first one is consideration of approval for minutes from February 9th
 I believe everyone has had a chance if I can get a motion approval have a motion
 need a second second and a second thank you any any conversation around any
 corrections all right we'll move into the vote all in favor aye please
 any not in favor or opposed I guess hearing none that passes we'll move into
 we're gonna skip item B right now we'll let that one delay until those
 presenters are with us we'll move into EDP 22-027 Christine I believe you're
 gonna take us through this I am what we're asking the board to do today is
 we're looking at a point downtown Economic Development Committee members
 we've had a couple members John Cartwright he's the Denton Main Street
 Association president he turned his position there on the board they had a
 new president voted in Tracy Long and then in December Michael Talley who was
 the Economic Development County representative he resigned his position
 and so in the interim they have a person Rita Maloney who is the grant and project
 manager for economic development she'll be attending any meetings that Michael
 Talley would have attended so we'd like to ask for your nomination to the
 committee for those two folks so moved all second and the second any
 conversation around it any questions hearing none we'll move to vote all in
 favor please say aye in any opposed hearing none at motion passes thanks
 Christina and moving on to EDP 22-023 Christine I believe you have this one as
 well okay so there's two parts to this agenda item first will receive the
 annual report from Heather Gregory with Stoke and then the second part which
 will be the presentation of it should I sit Stan do y'all care I'm Heather
 Gregory I know many of you lots of familiar faces I am the owner of Hickory
 and rail ventures which has a public-private partnership with the city
 of Denton to run Stoke which is Denton's co-working space we run that space and
 we have programs and events that we do to support entrepreneurs which is what
 we have proposed is renewing that contract to continue our partnership so
 I'm just going to kind of run through basically 2021 our events some
 membership information about Stoke our mission is to create an environment that
 fosters a sense of community and a welcoming space where entrepreneurs have
 access to talent education mentorship capital and a diverse network of peers
 and we do that by we strive to have a positive impact on the economy and
 culture of Denton by increasing visibility and reach facilitating job
 creation and retaining university students
 okay um so as I said we are it's a public-private partnership so we on the
 left side here you can kind of see the city of Denton has agreements with all
 of these partners in economic development so we leave you ourselves as
 kind of the ground up economic development so we're helping entrepreneurs
 start and grow their business through operating our co-working space and like
 I said the programs and events that we've run through our space on the
 right-hand side are some of the partners that we maintain relationships with and
 work with to help create a healthy entrepreneur ecosystem some details of
 this I'll get into in a little bit but we run an incubator program with Texas
 Women's University Center for Women Entrepreneurs we've run two cohorts of
 this through Stoke over the last couple of years so it is a five-month program
 last year we had seven companies run through this cohort and we ended that
 event in a pitch event in late February we have relationships with UNT kind of
 in a couple of different ways we support hackathons that the university does we
 are engaged with members from from staff and faculty from UNT and an education
 technology alliance that we coordinate and the through the Murphy Center we
 also share contacts and help support entrepreneurs depending on what their
 needs are and we do partnerships with NCTC and as well with Denton ISD I serve
 as a mentor and they have an incubate EDU program and entrepreneurship program
 for high school students at Geyer High School I serve as a mentor and a coach
 to two different teams there so this is just kind of some what what we're doing
 partnership wise in Denton this is some member information I'm not going to read
 everything and to you there are some quotes here about our space and our
 staff the way that we support entrepreneurs we do we do member
 surveys twice a year so we're really collecting a lot of data to understand
 what we're doing well what ways we can improve and this is again in terms of
 running the 9,000 square foot co-working space and the programs and some of the
 member staff that we saw in 2020 2021 was that 89% of our member companies
 experienced growth during their time at Stoke last year we had a total of 115
 member companies throughout the year and they give us a net promoter score of
 88.3 so that means that they're going to refer us to friends or colleagues at
 that high rate and then retention numbers I just think that this is really
 incredible this of our current members we have 17 that have been there for
 longer than three years 23 that have been there for between two and three
 years and 19 member companies that have been there for over a year so last year
 year ago whenever I was here we were in a very different position the city's
 lease on the space was ending and we were in a position to need to sign a new
 lease on our space to be able to do that we we asked for city support and having
 the confidence of that we negotiated a four-year lease on our building which is
 in the rail yard so we're behind spiral diner across from and we share a parking
 lot with DCTA so we signed a four-year lease on the building and in part of
 that negotiation to make to make it work for the landlord and be able to generate
 the rent that we needed they they covered the cost of building out 12 new
 private offices so we went from having eight private offices to 12 to 20 they
 added 12 and that allowed us to basically be able to make it work
 financially to stay there and run the space and this is a picture of some of
 the one of the new private offices our event space essentially converted to
 co-working space so we more than doubled our private office capacity we did not
 lose any co-working seats or dedicated seats we added as you can see in a
 really incredible mural and and we did all of this while we were open we we
 didn't lose any members due to construction and we really focused on
 taking great care of our people and we were able to stay open as we did this
 three months of construction I don't think this video is going to play it's
 on our YouTube channel and this is as I mentioned the program that we do with
 Texas Women's University in 2021 we wrapped our first cohort and then we
 were able to use marketing dollars to hire a local company to do a great video
 to kind of capture some of the successes from the women in that cohort we ran
 Flintconf again for the third year and it was our second year to do it virtually
 I'm really thrilled that it's coming back this year in person so it's going
 to be at Senago Bell on May 4th yeah that's a video that we're not going to
 be able to see also in 2021 we this is the program that we run every fall it's
 global entrepreneurship week so we do basically a series of events in Denton
 to showcase entrepreneurship to support entrepreneurs so one of the biggest
 events that we did that week was the Denton Startup Crawl we had over a
 hundred people attend a crawl that highlighted 12 creative businesses in
 Denton and so that was what we did for global entrepreneurship week we have a
 podcast we do blogs every month we do weekly mentor sessions and we do lunch
 and learns event lunch and learns on a monthly basis so here you can see kind
 of the totals of how many mentor sessions how many member only events we
 did lunch and lunch and then our startup and tech focused events and we were
 really thrilled we celebrated five years of being open in August and we were able
 to do an official chamber ribbon cutting where the mayor spoke a few words and
 we were really able to celebrate kind of an open house celebrating our recently
 completed offices and our five-year birthday of being open and in our space
 and that's it that's just kind of like a high-level overview of what we do and
 what the program support does for for Stoke and for entrepreneurs and them I'm
 happy to answer questions now or should we save them or you can answer questions
 now if you want to ask questions about the annual report
 I have just in regard to the vision of Stoke, I'm Steve, facilitating job creation and
 retaining university students how do you actually track that what's your audit
 process on are we being successful on that we I mean we we have systems that
 track our member numbers and we're we're collecting information like I said from
 the surveys but then also from tracking member numbers and members are students
 we do have some we do have some student members for tracking who's attending
 events where we yeah we have kind of an internal tracking system in terms of
 who's participating how and where and and maintaining those those kind of
 relationships with each entity and as far as facilitating job creation I saw
 the member growth of some of the members member companies I guess I'm I apologize
 y'all yeah somewhat confused between member and member company so that's a
 great question so and because we do have we have we have remote workers we have
 individual freelancers that are one person working at Stoke it's one one
 person one company being represented but we do have some companies that have
 anywhere between two I mean over time there they have anywhere between two and
 ten employees that are based out of Stoke and so one company sometimes does
 represent more than one member so we count member as an individual person who
 has access to our space in a member company is that kind of overarching
 entity any questions you all are obviously much more familiar with this
 so I we've been here every year okay so as Heather mentioned we do have an
 agreement with Stoke and it's time to renew that agreement so we're going to
 take a look at today like to receive a report we'll discussion and give stuff
 direction regarding the one-year renewal of the contract and we also ask you to
 make a recommendation to City Council to approve so Stoke activities is we just
 went through with her presentation they have had memory events 25 memory events
 48 mentor sessions and hosted the startup and tech events and actually
 they go beyond just managing the co-working space where Stoke provides
 programming and has grown to include things like the Flint Conference Gold
 Walter and Pranavar week the startup crawl innovation group podcast conversations
 and coffee and then the accelerator startup incubator program with TWA you
 Center for women entrepreneurs and this year I got to participate in that when
 they did their pitch contest and it was really a fun event and do not anything
 like what I expected it to be so I was really excited to be part of that and
 Hickory Rail Ventures has been managing the Denton Stoke location since 2017
 and Stoke Denton was created as a program within the city of the City
 Office of Economic Development and then we went on to lease the co-working space
 last year as Heather commented Council directed us to turn over that ownership
 of assets and other things to Stoke so now they're managing that full-time in
 the new agreement that we started with Stoke last year it began on July of 2021
 Stoke has gone on to not just meet the expectations of agreement but gone past
 what we've asked them to do and so this year we'd like to look at a new
 agreement that should begin until January 1st of 2022 and just kind of
 looking at the end of the agreement and going forward again that contract the
 current contract ends on June 30th the part of the start of the agreement with
 Stoke was to help them through some of the things that happened over the last
 few years we've had COVID small businesses have been suffering and so
 we've been seeing a more need for entrepreneurs and that is also part of
 our new strategic plan so HRV Stoke has had a significant increase in programming
 and the new program that they have is actually part of our strategic plan goals
 so part of those goals is to champion and convene it's hard to access capital
 capital for the entrepreneurs building that ecosystem for entrepreneurs
 promoting Denton's creative brand and then growing their own talent initiative
 and those are some of the things that you saw in the agreement if you had an
 opportunity to be through that if you don't let me know and I'm happy to pull
 it out and show that to you in general terms the agreement HRV and the city
 want your partnership agreement focused on supporting the strategic the city's
 strategic efforts in that area of entrepreneurship tech and small business
 support it is a one-year agreement and the financial support ask is $143,170
 and the key activities that we're looking at our event support so again
 those programs such as Flint Conference startup global entrepreneur week
 programming support for the lunch and learns accelerator incubator programs
 copying combos marketing support the blogs podcast video social media and the
 ecosystem support and those are all things that happen because we support
 Stoke and we provide that that financial support to them to make those programs
 happen we will continue with monthly meetings with Stoke and an executive
 director Heather and economic development staff currently we do need on
 more than a monthly basis we're always in communications with Heather Heather
 does provide us with monthly reports that coincide with our strategic action
 items and we do track those and the information providing those reports is
 included in our quarterly report matrix report so each quarter the EDP board
 receives a quarterly strategic plan report and that'll be coming out next
 month so we just finished a quarter so in the next EDP board meeting you'll be
 seeing that but if you don't have access to it right now let us know and I'll be
 sure to give you our previous report and then also Stoke is required to provide
 us with an annual report which is provided to you here so one new impact
 to the proposed budget is support for a new program that we'd like to launch
 through Stoke and it's an entrepreneur expo and pitch contest this does fall
 within our strategic plan goal - which is to foster growth entrepreneur expo would
 be the expo is a place for entrepreneurs to come connect directly with customers
 it's a platform for them to showcase their talents excuse me and also to
 help them connect with other like-minded entrepreneurs a new aspect of that is a
 pitch contest and while pitch contests aren't new what is new is that we'd like
 to offer a cash direct prize to the entrepreneurs so part of that cash direct
 program along with the other parts of that to to the entrepreneur would be
 mentorship training support and resources from established agencies
 because we do partner with the workforce of North Texas we partner with the ISD
 with TWU, UNT and all of those programming together have identified and
 established programs to help entrepreneurs so part of the pitch
 contest win would be to also complete those programs and go through some of
 the additional training and then we also want to include products reports to
 track their success through those programs and how they were you how they
 utilize the funds to develop and advance their business so and also this new
 pitch expo and contest is in partnership with all the business Alliance group
 members if you're not familiar with that it's a new group that was started last
 year by our business development administrator and it brings together all
 of the entities in Denton that support entrepreneurs and it's a way for us to
 collaborate work together to support entrepreneurs without duplicating
 efforts wherever we can so it's a good way to bring us all together and so
 staff recommendations approval of the renewal of the agreement with a
 recommendation to City Council any questions for me see the line
 the ten thousand dollars is that a ten thousand dollar prize or is that some
 program support and a prize that's some smaller amount well one of the parts of
 the strategic plan is to bring cash on to entrepreneurs and so the idea is to
 have the ten thousand dollars spread out between several winners so that that way
 they they receive that influx of cash something to help them maybe it's a new
 business a new entrepreneur and they need some specialized equipment or maybe
 they want to get it into lease a new space it's whatever they identify as the
 need and that's part of the application for the for the pitch contest is asking
 them how we use these funds you know we want to make sure that they're used to
 promote the business and to grow their entrepreneur business whatever that may
 be and so we've identified a low medium and high as far as experience and
 activity for the entrepreneurship so maybe you have someone using in the idea
 state but they have some vetting of that that requires some funds then you have
 your new startup maybe they've only been in business a couple years they have some
 expansion they want to do or maybe it's someone's been in business for maybe
 three to five years and they want to start with an employee or are using
 specialized training so they can finish what it is in their process that they're
 producing so they have to identify here's how I'm going to use the money
 here's why I'm asking for it and then that's part of the competition aspect
 it doesn't be part of the pitch so it's up front not as they win and as
 requested right that particular part hasn't quite been identified yet we're
 still getting that out but that is something that we're looking at
 discussing because it it sometimes depends on the entrepreneur right what
 is the need that they have and maybe someone comes in and they've already
 gone through some of the training programs that we've identified that are
 needed to go through as part of the contest and so I think that's something
 that the Alex group needs to talk about a little more and and that out with some
 of the experiences that Heather's had with her with the contest. I was curious if
 there's other communities out there that are doing this. Yeah it is. The University of
 Oklahoma has a scholarship grant program like this that they have all their
 entrepreneurship pitch and that's where we got a lot of the bones for it is
 through theirs and they've been doing theirs I think they're on year five of
 their program and they do get the money right up front but they don't have any
 of the follow-up questions or or you know kinds of requirements that we're
 asking of our entrepreneurs because we want to support them and help them grow
 and without you just sometimes it's giving the money's on enough.
 Sure so I was just curious is this I guess we only do a one-year agreement is
 there why would we not do longer? You know as we were talking about the
 transition that we had last year as we were owning the space it really altered
 the relationship with HRV and as we went into that there were conversations at
 the council level of what is our financial commitment as we move forward
 we want to stair step that down what is the appropriate amount I think COVID
 itself just kind of put a kind of a cloud over all that it's hard to tell we
 know how important it is right now so our recommendation at this time is let's
 keep that same level of service keeping that same contribution as we go into the
 budget year and give us another year to have those conversations with council
 and the truth matter is any of these contracts even if it was a multi-year
 contract it still it still requires the budget conversation if it's not budgeted
 and there's always that's a piece of the contract so a one-year contract is
 essentially what it would be regardless but that's that's some of the history
 that got us to this point of saying we're comfortable just keeping the same
 commitment for this year and then having another conversation next year. I just
 heard what you said about your four-year lease and looks like there's a lot of
 financial support with all the activities that you do to promote so just trying to
 see that partnership from the commitment organization. Any other
 questions? From the the universities and ISD any feedback on how it's working how
 it's modified changes that you would see. Yeah we're definitely seeing the skills
 of the pitch and the entrepreneur expo in everything that we're doing we had a
 presentation last night with our group that did interior design architecture
 design and within our schools and working through some of that so we're
 we're seeing that piece. The question I would ask on your $10,000 investment
 prize so to speak or however you'd like to say is what outcomes are you seeking
 from those individuals so that you know when you come back next time and we want
 to do next year's budget the year after the year after what story do we have to
 tell that this is what we got for her or this is what this entrepreneur got for
 that $10,000 or it's what the community got for that business development we got
 from that so what are the outcomes that we're seeking as a result of that piece?
 We'd like to we'd like to see them grow and we'd like to see them return some
 of their investment by sharing and coordinating with other entrepreneurs
 and participating and staying in the community while they do that. So could
 that be part of the application for the grant for the for that now how will we
 know we were successful? You know how would we know how you know what's what
 are we gonna look at? We are looking at so as far as the program being successful
 won't be the number of participants in the pitch contest the participation and
 completion of the mentorship activities and then how they utilize and the prize
 to development to develop and advance their business. So we're looking at
 checkbacks with them or our follow-up with them at like 3, 6, 9 and 12 months so
 that way we have a good understanding and you know hopefully it works and you
 know everyone utilizes the funds and it helps support them and that's why we were
 asking for the extra or including the extra training because something we
 found in a lot of our small businesses in Fenton is they're not financially
 savvy so why they're really good at the business of making their their whatever
 does they make the business part of it they're they're not that you know not
 that educated on it and that came across really strongly when we were looking at
 the grants that were made available for businesses during COVID right so many
 businesses failed to receive funds because they didn't have the necessary
 documentation or paperwork or their credit was poor or other things were
 happening were preventing them from receiving funds and I think that I mean I
 think that says a lot about our businesses and the need they have from
 learning how to know the backing of the finance part of the business and that's
 what we're hoping to help the entrepreneurs with at the beginning
 level of starting their company and their businesses they're going to
 understand the financial piece of that and that's why we're asking for the
 additional training and programming I see a huge benefit of making that happen
 for a couple reasons one if you have a desired outcome when you start if you
 don't get there you learn what supports to need to put in place to help them get
 there right and so I think I think it's one thing to have numbers of people
 participate or mentors ours that's really you know quantitative data that's
 just collected but it's not necessarily influencing the success of what you're
 asking them to do so I think you know having them put that application working
 through that so that you know what how to help them when they don't get to that
 mark which is what you want to do right you want to help them be successful
 because that makes everybody successful and and I think that's a that's a big
 piece is no one how are we going to know what you're hitting so that we can
 support you along the way if in fact you aren't hitting it along the way just like
 teaching kids to read right and I would just say along those lines you can put
 it to where how does it speak to you the mission mission values of stoke as well
 that's right I think that's great
 I was gonna say I agree because I'm assuming I don't know as much about this
 function either but they were you know they're getting to use the space in some
 of these services for free so you at some point you gotta have also there so
 that failures launch and so that we can make sure that we're serving the highest
 and best use I do like it that we probably should all do this more but the
 city partner because either for mission so ours because it's coming through the
 sister grants really targeted to women-owned businesses so you only any
 part of the population to work on state funds so there's limitations on that for
 example the cage of marketing the cage for rent so city funds may be of use for
 the other purpose so it's gotta be a partnership of different sources of
 funds to help them most so I do think assuming they try but you know there's
 also expertise within the universe we should be tapping into because to your
 point about the business acumen or whatever they can do to the volunteer
 time and said and just answer people's questions so that we're doing a service piece to bring in
 other information in that have access to unless they have papers
 so I I mean obviously I understand why we want to do this through Stokes since
 it's a city investment I do think that Jane Nelson Center for Entrepreneurship
 is such I mean it's a statewide tremendous resource in our backyard so
 I would just I mean my thoughts where I hope we were leverage the practices that
 they have I think it's more about you know giving the money but the support
 that you know how how to do a pro forma statement so and that can be done
 through that or I mean that the Center for Entrepreneurship I think the other
 pieces who you know who's viewing the candidates and who's choosing and I know
 that I think most of the startups that we're seeing are more retail type or
 internet retail type startups and from a university perspective we would love to
 see that be more science tech and I think the strategic plan vision for the
 city but you know I think you can only choose the winner based on the
 applicants but if there's a way to incentivize those and you know how
 they're decided I mean we know hackathons we know that any sort of
 incentive to get people to come forward is good it's the support resources to do
 that and you know I think our John McCary the head of our Center for
 Entrepreneurship and Innovation will be a good person to sit on the panel to review
 as would Tracy or other folks. I could just share with you the business
 allies that are helping with the pitch contest so you have economic development
 the Chamber of Economic Development, Genblog Chamber, UNT Murphy Center for
 Entrepreneur and Innovation, TWU Center for Women, United Way, Texas Workforce,
 Fit and ISP Career and Technology Center, Education, NCTCE, the SBDC and then of
 course Stoke and then the Main Street Association so all of those partners are
 coming together to review the applicants and beyond the review board for the
 pitch contest. Any other conversation? I mean in their application I mean I use the word
 performance measures and maybe that's not the best thing for every applicant but
 same time it's on $10,000 total right we're not breaking the bank but if it's
 successful then there probably will be an ask next year until it's increased and
 more people involved and because the council is very focused on small
 business incentives right now less so than some of our larger economic
 development activities so maybe the applicants can help define their own
 performance measures and then if they're let's say I come in and I say I want to
 make 3,000 widgets and sell them all by the end of next quarter and that's my
 that's my pitch is I'm going to get the special equipment and make 3,000 widgets
 and the panel says man that's a really cool idea we don't think you can do that
 we think we're going to set your measure at a thousand widgets and that the how
 to define their success kind of comes from the applicant and they can be kind
 of adjusted up or down by the approving panel or whoever over Wednesday say yeah
 we're going to prove it this and out you're gonna you're gonna you won this
 amount of money and your performance measures are defined this way and that's
 another I mentioned that because that's another item right now with the council
 is performance measures and return on investment and making sure that we're
 even at very low dollar amounts investing well in the community and not
 getting burned. One of our members, Tracey Irby, she's with the TWA center for one of our
 today hours, she has some really good guidelines and she's been really a
 wonderful help and helping us to determine you know how do we want to
 map this and and what are the things we need to focus on and ask them and and
 there's some things that they mentioned I was like I I would not even thought of
 that so that's why it's really good to have all these partners in and get
 everyone's experience and an input on what is the best practice for this and
 there's nothing that says that after the first year we can't adjust it and make
 changes you know but being our first year out you know we're just trying to
 trying to produce metrics that we can continue to grow and build on so that it
 is a successful program. I think those are good people that you have advising on
 what the metrics should be because again no one wants to stay here a year from
 now and say we gave away ten thousand dollars and they're out of business so
 ensuring that those you know like those processes are in place to support and
 educate the entrepreneur and at least from an education perspective we have a
 lot of faculty with great ideas that spin off companies but if you don't have
 the business sense or you know aren't you aren't supportive of the business
 acumen then they fail they have a high risk of failure but Tracy's process is
 great. Great conversation Heather, Christine thank you for navigating that
 with us any other comments if not we're gonna take it to vote I believe we do
 need recommendation for this right yes forward so anyone that would put forward
 a motion motion to carry and second thank you any other conversation we'll
 move to vote all in favor say aye aye any opposed okay thank you all great
 conversation the next Eric I believe you are addressing that's 22 - 0 22 alright
 I've never had that happen well you came back okay good morning my name is
 Erica Sullivan I'm the economic development program administrator we're
 going to be talking about incentive policies and the evaluation matrix so the
 objective today is to provide the information that well this board in
 February May and the City Council made at the March work session and then seek
 direction from EDP regarding those changes so we're going to go over five
 topics today so we're going to have the EDP recommendations again from February
 we're gonna have the council direction from the March work session the changes
 that the council suggested to the strategic growth areas as well as the
 changes that both bodies made to the evaluation matrix and then we're going
 to discuss living wage and income limit considerations that council directed so
 we'll begin with EDP recommendations so the EDP recommended that both staff and
 the EDP board recommendations on the evaluation matrix be brought up before
 council so you have both parties participating and then full of
 perspectives another category was added to three of the sections and you have
 the evaluation matrix at your table so we have the strategic growth areas for
 those who weren't here that's our former industry sectors then we have our
 priority considerations and then we have our public benefit considerations so ten
 points would be added to each category so if something didn't fit within the
 categories you could put it in there then we also had a request from this board to
 increase the expansion of the tax base and the fiscal impact categories by five
 points and then request was also made for range cohorts of four acceptable and
 excellent added to the evaluation matrix and then staff also added the sub totals
 to just make it easier to calculate EDP also requested example projects to be
 included in that evaluation matrix so we selected as staff three projects the
 first project has a significant tax base and capital investment this was a tax
 payment the second project is a local expansion project and they received a
 chapter 380 agreement and then the final ones an entrepreneur tech project
 received an expansion and job-based grant through a chapter 380 agreement so that
 was the EDP direction the council direction the first thing the council
 asked is that we include two additional names our industry codes to our
 strategic growth areas again these are our former industry sectors for those of
 you who weren't here and so they requested that we add 711 the performing
 arts since we are creative here and 512 music production publication to the
 creative strategic growth area and then they also requested an additional
 consideration to encourage minimum and or living wages for all new employees to
 the matrix so adding this additional consideration it would also be included
 in the policy so it's included here in this slide as well for council changes
 and requests to policies that one council member also made a request for a
 threshold for a minimum hourly wage requirement for all new jobs that were
 created by the project so the first one requested $21 per hour to encourage
 nice dress encourage and the second one would be a requirement a threshold
 requirement of at least 15 and that's a point to start from and that's what the
 council suggested the council also wanted more information so they
 requested information on the average and median wages to begin in addition to
 that they talked about living wage so the mayor actually requested
 information from Texas Workforce Solutions and then staff I brought up
 the income limits from HUD and then I also found MIT income living wage
 calculations as well that will be presented later on in the presentation
 so strategic growth areas again these are our former industry sectors used to
 the two changes again there were different sections there was connective
 there's creative there was sustainable and competitive this was just to the
 creative sector and then these are the two five one two and seven eleven for
 the performing and creative arts evaluation matrix again this includes
 both the EDP board and City Council EDP changes are noted in red and City
 Council changes are noted in green to make it easier so here it is it's also
 at your table and we'll go over each section individually so the first
 section is our strategic growth areas our industry codes these are our targets
 our industry sector targets so you'll see that other has been added to this
 section others been added to each of the categories and this is an EDP
 recommendation and then you'll see the subtitles so those are the changes and
 also change the point structure so all those are denoted in red and then you
 have the actual scoring so we have three the three samples we talked about so the
 capital the expansion and the tech so the capital high project and the
 expansion project fell under connective and then the entrepreneur tech fell
 under creative this is the second half of the priority our first half of the
 priority considerations and you'll see that under generating new utility
 customers the capital example did very well here which makes sense encouraging
 new business market suppliers and entrepreneurship the entrepreneur
 samples for highest in this category the capital sample was the only one that had
 engaged the sustainable practices in their application increasing high-wage
 jobs you'll see that the tech samples for the best in this category moving on
 to the second half of the priority considerations you will see in green
 it's the council recommendation so this is encouraging a living wage for all
 employees and they suggested 21 an hour which equates to forty three thousand
 six eighty annually and since we've been doing everything else via annual and our
 policies converted it to annual you'll see also the other consideration that
 this board recommended and then the subtotal as well and then so moving to
 the evaluation portion the capital sample the expansion and the tech
 encouraging non-space jobs the tech scored highest in this category it's
 where an infill development redevelopment the expansion project
 utilized a building that had been vacant for two years so they scored highest in
 this category encouraging a living wage this is a new category so we I did
 evaluation of this after council so you can see that the tech entrepreneur does
 best in this particular category none were headquarters they're not included
 there and then child care assistance wasn't something that we asked prior so
 we didn't have any data on that and then other considerations for a max of ten
 points the capital sample was regional distribution they had some ISO standards
 that we gave them to staff gave additional credit for as well as the
 expansion intact for their retention of jobs and I missed one item in the other
 category so the other category staff evaluation on the strategic growth areas
 the expansion sample had two industry codes so they had aerospace and
 manufacturing so they were given additional points for their aerospace and
 then the tech entrepreneur sample had different spoke companies offshoot
 companies so they were given different additional points for that as well so
 we'll move on to the public benefit section and so this board had asked for
 additional points to be considered for the expanding the tax phase and fiscal
 and economic impacts and then you see the other and then the subtitle changes
 as well as the point structure changes in red as far as the evaluation expanding
 the tax base you can see that the high tax base capital tax evasion scored the
 best in this category fiscal and economic impacts both the capital sample
 and the tech sample scored well the spinoff of jobs and that type of thing
 and the community investment you'll see the public-private partnership the
 capital sample had a lot more partnerships with different entities and
 then they use the local contractors the other factors I didn't award any
 additional other in this particular category and then so the final request
 that this board made was to actually put these into cohorts so we have poor
 acceptable and excellent and you will see the total scores for each of these
 and so two of them were at the high end of the acceptable category and then the
 capital sample scored excellent we'll now move on to living wage and income
 considerations so again we talked about the things that council requested
 encouraging a living wage for all employees of at least twenty one dollars
 or forty three six eighty annually a threshold for a minimum hourly wage of
 at least fifteen per hour or thirty one thousand two hundred out annually and
 then both encouraging a living wage and minimum hourly wage for all new employees
 could also be considered so you could do both one or the other in your
 recommendation and then there's a summary table of what's proposed from
 council and it's a point to start from and it will aid in our discussion so the
 most basic information we'll start with that with annual and hourly wages or
 average wage and median wage for the county for Denton County and the source
 is MC our statistical package that we utilize and the MIT living wage
 calculation for Texas is presented here you also have it at your table and I
 presented it in both hourly on one side and annual on the other side to make it
 easier but you'll see on the top you have the number of adults and then the
 next row you'll see the number of children and it increases as you go
 towards the right and then you have on the very bottom your minimum wage on
 the top you have your living wage and then you have your poverty wage I went
 ahead and put bold a family of four for each of the things that we're going to
 discuss we'll begin with the first table which is the only living wage
 calculator the next two are going to be income limits they're not apples to
 apples exactly but I think they helped give us a better idea another thing
 that we've looked at is other cities so we looked at what other cities are
 using for living wage a number of them don't have it but the city of Austin
 does and it's $15 per hour the city of San Antonio and Dallas are a little over
 11 an hour so we're seeing a range of about 11 to 15 dollars from other
 samples the next is HUD Department of Housing and Urban Development and these
 are the income limits for the Dallas MSA and so they based this based on median
 income so you'll see the number of persons in the family then you'll see
 the family increases you go across and then you'll see low 80% of the income
 limit followed by 50% of the income limit and then finally extremely low and
 again we highlighted in bold for person household and then finally the request
 was to include Texas Workforce Commission information on the Innovation
 and Opportunity Act eligibility requirements and this is also for the
 Dallas Board in the state and this is what Workforce Development Board used
 for this particular grant program you'll see again as the number of persons in
 the household increases so this that as you go across and again for member
 household is highlighted just so you can get an idea and again the sample
 estimates from other cities came in between 11 and 15 so one of the things
 that we discussed the last time in February was the evaluation matrix and
 how we wanted to include it so the evaluation matrix can be utilized as an
 internal document or as an exhibit to the policies staff recommends if we do
 include it we do it in the same manner that we do our application so that we
 can update it as needed particularly for clarification so that both parties
 understand it we notice that when we did our application the first time options
 and staff recommendations concerning the policies and the documents that support
 the policies the EDP board can recommend the incentive policies and incentive
 evaluation matrix with the proposed changes from the board and council to
 City Council and then this also this board can also make a recommendation to
 include items exclude items or provide other direction concerning the incentive
 policies and incentive evaluation matrix in the board's recommendation I'll be
 happy to answer questions review items go back over items like I said you have
 the three different tables at your table with goals hourly and annual wages if
 you flip it on each side okay great information to digest any
 questions of Erika
 if you want to make a recommendation to council the recommendation was made
 during council council requested additional information you're
 receiving that additional information first this particular board is picked
 for their specialties in economic development aviation and the like so if
 you'd like to make a written recommendation I think that would be
 wonderful we provided different information as well as cost to help aid
 you in that process so the recommendation is to repeat from the City Council is
 that the lowest to receive incentives is $15 and the average and highest $21 right
 one is to encourage and that was at 21 and that would be under our priority
 considerations and you could do that make a recommendation for that you can
 make a recommendation for the minimum threshold requirement remember this
 would be a requirement of $15 or any other you can make a using these tables
 are using the comps that I provided you could come up with another thing in
 addition to the living wage that's the more more of a discussion item what we
 also want to talk about the two additional creative nicks as well so we
 would be recommending like I said what presented here or some other version of
 what's presented here at the board's discretion sorry no there was quite a
 bit of consensus for living white and Jesse can correct us if we're wrong
 that that was one thing that we received from council another member
 requested the threshold I don't know that anybody else commented on it but
 it's it's something that we can definitely discuss I don't recall
 consensus for the threshold I think it was definitely a conversation and we
 like to incent businesses that are bringing good good-paying jobs all that
 kind of stuff I don't I don't recall consensus for a for a threshold there
 was a consensus for more math more than because the numbers that were thrown at
 the council meeting were numbers you might read the newspaper or back at the
 cocktail back in the envelope not this level specific the main thing we asked
 more was somebody who knows how to do this map do this map and tell us what
 living wages are I think my concern would be the threshold of $15 when we're
 comparing to Dallas at at 11 I mean the cost of living I would argue might be
 less than Denton and just I don't know encouraging the activity right
 encouraging us being able to offer incentives to companies if you're a
 startup that just may not be possible I mean this is a inflation may totally
 change that conversation I just would hate to have a threshold where you're
 meeting so many other benchmarks and for you know Austin I guess just Austin and
 Dallas don't feel like the best comparisons to Denton and if Dallas is
 saying 11 so anyway I'm glad to hear that there was not consensus around the
 threshold that would be my concern to your point the median wage you can see
 here and then HUD used a basis off the median wage for the Dallas MSA it's much
 higher it's 89,000 point I mean Amazon starting weight for hammers is 15 so
 you're 15 this is 12 so if you turn away one of those companies because I mean
 I mean it's just a percentage of the point but I mean to your point even
 well-established companies now the man's driving their salaries up but you know
 part of this now that's not what that's what hammers are getting those are great
 I know it would exclude you and see I know that our threshold that's not 15
 what an individual right I think that's a pretty I agree with you I think it's a
 pretty hard requirement all right and depends on what your business model is
 does that really need it it may not it doesn't add flexibility to those that
 may have a really good idea and potentially can grow their business
 one is encouraging one is a right department I would agree I think if we
 put something in there to encourage it you know to say hey we get some
 additional credit if you do meet these thresholds but they just put it as a
 hard no if you're not here you know I think you know growing up my dad was a
 forklift driver right there wasn't any forklift jobs in Denton when the Dr.
 Pepper plant shut down you know made a road he had to drive to Fort Worth you
 know to get a forklift driving job you know so I just don't think that should
 just be a hard no I think we should encourage people who do offer higher
 wage and jobs but I don't think you can just totally exclude because there are
 people who need those jobs we decide to encourage using $21 an hour is what we
 want to encourage or do we want to encourage another it's pretty hot that's
 pretty hot a question so my family is five people to two working adult three
 school-aged children and we have you know the daddy provided kind of gives us
 ranges you know all different family makeups are single individuals where
 they could fall on what kind of what MIT's calculator I guess defines as a
 living wage or what income levels they have to be at to qualify for certain
 benefits but you also highlighted the family of four and I know that's the
 traditional thing we do right highlight that family of four but I'm thinking
 about Amazon handlers I know any number of Amazon handlers and exactly one of
 them is part of a family of four the rest of them tend to be younger or lower
 skill level or living on their own just anecdotally those the people I know
 Amazon handlers so how how should we look at this family of four because I
 know when the council sees the data some council members are going to go all the
 way to the left end of the thing what is the highest number I can justify and
 build a case around from the table others will look and say well family of
 four that's the thing we use and what's that what's the number I can justify
 make a case for based on a family of four and others will say one adult zero
 children that's who we're really blaming for we can't figure out how many kids
 everybody's got we're building a case around what one person needs to make as
 a living wage so I say all that just ask the question can you tell me about
 family of four why we zero in on that and do we have data to support that we
 should keep zeroing in on a family of four have naturally did it highlights family of right so
 for continuity the family of four was highlighted I looked at one as well
 personally for all of them so you can see one in four here with the Texas
 workforce one in four with HUD and then one in four here as well because yeah
 there are a lot of single parents that it may have one or two children but how
 instigated when you download the chart they highlight the families work kind of
 falls along with what my understanding the family of four is that's the way
 we've always done it right so the feds stick with family for because that's our
 base unit of a family is there any industry data on the workforce today
 tends to be a huge range right most working adults are supporting one other
 non-working we have a whole lot of data but I can't pinpoint the household that
 and not that I can't try but off the top of my head now we can certainly look
 well it may not it's just such a range in the workforce it may not be helpful
 or it may not exist I'm just not I'm not sure I'm not sure the family of four
 thing helps me in my thinking it may be very helpful other people that's not
 specific in how they've written it right I think it's just a data point right it
 is a data point the eventual council approval will be built around one of
 these data points yeah we should make a recommendation I think it would be very
 helpful to the council discussion if whatever whatever this body kind of
 comes to a consensus and feel like it's an appropriate number for we encourage
 you after we've decided there's not a floor we encourage you and you get extra
 points not big break in the bank extra points but some extra points at this
 level the council threw out a council member threw out the $21 the rest of
 the council kind of said oh okay let's keep talking so they need direction we
 need direction for people who know what they're talking about
 economic development partnership board is advisory board so I think would be
 good given them the makeup of this for to make a recommendation because we are
 town has two institutions in it well I don't know the makeup of unity as well
 as TWA you know you're talking a lot of first generation a lot of have multiple
 children who put in the way through school the only industry only industry we
 can't just have anyway we can't just have food services be the only place to
 work with themselves through school so I'm arguing that may not be for a long
 term but for a period of time yeah they may be Amazon driver or packer or
 hammer or UPI is safe should be closed off to that option because you can't
 just be on food service well it's right now it can't just be that let's open
 those other industries the exact work to ups in the mornings they pay for my
 tuition and my books you know from 330 in the morning so to your point I'm
 exact example of that so I don't think we want to just say let's let's cut it off
 because we think and how many businesses right now in our community would not
 meet that threshold I think we would be surprised to go oh my gosh we would just
 we don't want to discourage our Amazon Walmart those kind of places are all
 forming programs in which they continue to beef up on like what ups and stuff
 did to educate their people and get them on out and they're doing partnerships
 with UNT and the other universities community colleges and you we don't want
 to bury artificial barriers up to those two because they're all intended to
 promote those people getting degrees and finishing which is I think I would be
 opposed to a threshold for all of these reasons because it's so inhibiting and
 think about a company like uber you know if the bit of work it's like that's a
 hard threshold even manage it's kind of depends on how many hours that person
 wants to work that week and so if I think I mean if they're looking for a
 recommendation I would I would say and encouraging a little livable wage makes
 more sense what that is I think is Erica's I'm looking at the matrix I have
 just a quick question one of the score sets is increased high-wage jobs and it
 defines that has significant which is kind of nebulous significant percentage
 and then two down is the conversation around living wage and those are the
 base salaries of each or not so it feels like we're maybe double counting well
 high-wage job is gonna have a different threshold than a living wage and so the
 high wage would be something we would consider incentivizing with a job-based
 grant okay so that's gonna be very different the this one's on this one the
 other ones on the other one encouraging a living wage would be for all employees
 all of the new employees and so that would be different so that would be the
 base employees versus we wouldn't consider incentivizing those we can
 incur we can request two different things but one we would incentivize with
 a job-based grant and one we would not I think another thing we need to think
 about is we don't know what benefits those companies offer how much health
 insurance are they paying how much you know what kind of continued education
 you know somebody could say yeah I got a 15 dollar an hour job but we could
 provide the minimum health insurance and we don't provide any continued education
 or you got somebody that pays less but they may pay college tuition or books or
 may say we pay a hundred percent of your health insurance those are decisions as
 business owners we have to make annually so I think it's hard to justify you know
 pressing just a hard number and then we're getting into okay what's the value
 of those benefits to try to get up to that number that's gonna make y'all's
 job really hard to be able to justify those things the total compensation yeah
 I mean because if you just say this is our rate well okay we have in this
 market when people decide to take other jobs you know or leaving our business or
 we're recruiting people we don't just say an hourly rate we put a whole
 compensation sheet together to explain you know 401k we participate in that you
 know those are all things that come come into effect so if you just put a hard
 line on that I think okay fine I'll pay that but we're not gonna give any health
 insurance or give the minimum health insurance you know I think we get into
 those games at that point rather than going let's let businesses do what they
 do
 any other conversation I just I just want to offer that you know there's this in
 itself creates some fallout as it works through you know we're as an employer as
 the school district you know we have workers that we're working through to
 making sure that the wages are where they need to be and you know you're all
 for trying to make sure you have you have you know living wages and things
 for people to come in and give incentives for those that come with us at
 the same time that that would be price increases that would be a lot of other
 things that will happen all along the way with for those those expenses get
 passed along to people and you know I don't know what the city's you know
 starting wages as for some of their jobs I know what the school districts are
 we're not to that level I don't know what North Texas and to the view is to
 those pieces so now you start adding in other expenses of the trading people
 around and HR factors and other pieces are playing into that that that while we
 may have the best of intention to have that some kind of a some kind of a
 number there there is a big ripple effect that impacts the taxpayer that
 doesn't have anything to do with this especially whenever you can only grow a
 certain percentage in your city taxes in your school district taxes with your
 employees and how those things work and come together and next thing you know I
 don't have bus drivers to pick kids up 145 of those that I need because they
 can go drive a bus for Amazon and make 25 hours an hour because we put some
 kind of something into play something I think we have to look at it in a more
 holistic way of how all that impacts our local economy with regard to price
 structures and business and the number of people that people actually hire and
 and what that does to the workforce just in general UNTW you or you know they're
 also state-funded as well so they have those same same revenue things that come
 into that so I feel like that we as a as an economic development group we have
 to think about how these decisions impact all those other sectors that are
 some of the major employers in our community you want that how that whole
 person comes together so I mean it's just a point
 any other conversation it's just gonna ask is it telling that you could not
 find many cities that have this as a criteria does that mean many cities
 don't have criteria or they don't have this as a protect criteria there was
 another one I didn't get up here because I wasn't as familiar with I think it was
 Edinburgh and all the Hidalgo County so there was another one but I was doing
 some of the major ones and keeping it to three but those were all that I found
 not to say that there weren't others but from searching some required some
 encouraged yeah it was different some used MIT as their guidelines you know
 some use Department of Health and Human Services which actually to the Texas
 Workforce Commission incorporates into theirs I know it's just one point I mean
 it's ten points out of how many was just a factor I definitely don't like the
 requirements I like the encouragement I think $21 is too much and given exactly
 what you said from an economic standpoint all it's gonna do is drive up
 and a lot of businesses that are not even close to that I don't know I guess
 and the other considerations could that not be part of the other considerations
 or it has been okay then when it comes time for council to vote on these things
 for certain council members that's been a part of their calculus and it just
 always has been as long as they've been asked to answer that question what
 you're seeing now is that same consideration that certain members vote
 you're seeing that same consideration bubble up to the top and and now they're
 asking for it to be a part of the evaluation matrix a council member that
 said that said that they would not vote for the policy if it didn't include the
 $15 which that's that's their prerogative but they also said that they
 didn't do it the last time because you remember we do our policies every two
 years my question is was there some discussion around some of the things
 that we brought up today was there some of those discussion the discussion was
 mostly it seems that this issue has bubbled to the to the top and that
 there's a consensus for including some conversation of what is the lowest paid
 person in this organization being paid and and then there's a lot of question
 about what what is that number if I'm careful to do this because I get two
 bites the apple right here and I vote again counsel but I think if I think the
 council's gonna find valuable your feedback about thresholds that's one
 question answered and the council discuss that and take your advice and
 and do whatever with it that they're going to the this one I feel strongly
 this is going to end up on the matrix that this line is going to end up in the
 matrix the question is going to be what is the EDP think that a fair number is
 did they think it's a family of Florida they think it's 11 like Dallas they
 think it's 15 like Austin and what is the was the rationale behind that as
 employers and people active in local economy what what number do y'all
 recommend and and why I think the items gonna end up in there regardless and if
 there's not a recommendation from this group it's probably give me that 21 bucks
 that somebody threw out there and and and their own rationale thought was a
 good place to start the conversation well I think our job as a board here is
 just to give the best boots on the ground advice so when we're in these
 meetings I'm like okay we're advisory and we're here because our boots are on
 the ground we're involved in day-to-day things so our job is just to educate and
 give our opinion at the highest level we can and so when I look at anything we
 say that's the point that I try to come from and I think you know Jamie brought
 up some some good points that I don't know we're discussed at council if we
 do this up you know what does that do to city jobs what does that do to our ISDs
 and our colleges I don't know if that was discussed to talk about how do we
 truly you know combined total pay from 401k and benefits you know I don't know
 if those discussions were had there and and then what is our average today so
 our job is to ask those questions just to spur thinking right and then may come
 up with some recommendations but but I hope what we really do rather than say
 hey this is a number that we just spur thinking and say these guys are on the
 ground in involved in this daily that's what I would hope that we can provide
 the most value to you guys I agree and I think that's I think that is helpful I
 think that's what that's what the council should should want from advisor
 group I can tell you the response from majority the council to the things you
 just said are everyone should be paid more everyone's compensation should be
 higher costs are going up everyone base level all the way up to the C-suite
 everybody well not the C-suite but the response from the authority council
 right now would be thank you we appreciate the C-suite perspective
 that you've given us now we think everyone of the low ends be making more
 regardless of industry regardless of family situation all that stuff that's
 the respect this is what and then it will never be enough and to be
 completely fair I mean completely fair that folks the council majority they are
 aware of the things you're talking about they read the newspaper just like we all
 do their experience of the inflation just like we all are and they are they
 are aware of the things that the complex web of things that produce grocery store
 prices and gas prices and all that kind of stuff their policy perspective is
 that people people the low end should be paid more and the minimum wage is too
 low that the city should be involved the order heard they should be involved in
 sending anybody who has a lowest earner in their organization is below a certain
 threshold that sort of talk through that question that's the prevailing
 perspective on the council right now I guess the question is how do we measure
 that right when these people come in for these incentives is it a full
 compensation package for is it just whatever their paycheck so that be a
 discussion that I would recommend and for us I would just say hey you know we
 give the best recommendation we can then honor and respect our elected officials
 that that you know I think we have to be honest in what our opinion obviously
 don't have evokes on an ex officio member but we work with both sides of
 the equation we work with employers and we work with employees and I think please
 point is very valid in that we look to attract and retain talent in the
 community and one part of that is we know companies are going to incentivize
 employees we want them to stay and part of that is looking at their total
 compensation and so attracting and retaining talent what is the total
 employee experience and so whether it's a living wage or the fact that they're
 treated well as an employee that's something that is hard to very much so
 pinpoint on a spreadsheet do they get a great experience when they go to work I
 don't know how many points you can give to that are they treated well as an
 employee do they have an opportunity for continuing education or continuing yeah
 and that is not something that we're ever going to be able to put on here and
 so that's something that is an advisory committee we figure out do they have a
 401k are they not jumping for 25 cents to leave Peterbilt to another
 manufacturer because three generations of their family work there that's not
 something we can figure out how to pinpoint but when we talk about choice
 employers we look at total compensation based on their total experience at a
 company and I think that's just something as an advisory committee we
 look at we look at the total experience as a company but living wages a factor
 into that but there's no way to put their total experience point value so
 Jesse that's a good point but $21 on average is much much too high for the
 average small business or anybody trying to expand anyone trying to that's the
 exercise it's trying to grow your business that's why you didn't even say
 that but I think it does go back to your point is typically the people who are in
 maybe the lower wage area is someone who is single starting out and maybe it's
 not the poor person full family this right maybe is I don't know if living
 wages of 21 is really right this is not a lot of data points to where I didn't
 pick it ever you know just to Aaron's point and I'm gonna belabor it but it's
 also about the talent that's here you know I mean you know you put some
 incentives in place based upon an hourly wage or threshold or whatever I mean the
 the relocation the person is thinking what talents already there and if the
 talent that's there is not worthy of a of a $21 threshold or something like
 that we're not coming so you have to think through the talent that's here
 that you're going to be going from you know we've got to put out good people at
 TWA, UNT, NCTC, ISD for workforce development and that whole piece and are
 we putting our resources into that so that you know if you're going to come
 work here the talent you're getting is worth $21 an hour I mean we have to think
 through that whole piece it's not just a you know a matrix with regard to that
 because the the talent you get and the talent when you relocate are they
 migrating somewhere else or they coming here because of the people that are here
 where are we with that and you know it's a those are those are big questions to
 have at the council level too about who who's actually doing that and where is
 that coming from and to your point about are we going to turn away a Tesla,
 Amazon, a Google based upon a threshold there I would say no I think they're
 coming because the talent that's in the region you know and and it's not it's
 not only the way the way it's going to take care of itself as we work through
 the talent piece of the employees that are working in the company new
 organizations right you know the other part about that I would argue that if
 it's $21 on Austin that's like $8 here I mean completely in all honesty with
 regard to just for my housing it's very different very different so in an effort
 to move us forward I hear you saying if we don't make a recommendation then this
 is what how it's gonna blow the case around whatever number feels good to
 them and they're gonna stick it in there and that's where it's gonna go I'm just
 gonna throw something out and let y'all respond to it so what if we made a
 recommendation around just if I was trying to build a case for support a
 encouraging a living wage of $11 I mean that is at least mirrors Dallas
 right for the incentive only with consideration for a total compensation
 package I mean we measure you know of course we have to measure French so I
 could tell you what a total compensation package is but depending on how any CFO
 at any given company measures wage and French they may not be able to evaluate
 that so but you know right we're each writing that in as a consideration
 there's my suggestion
 I'll give you the exact numbers so Austin was an even 15 San Antonio was $11.68 and Dallas I'm sorry Dallas was $12.19 they were using MIT and
 San Antonio's using Department of Health and Human Services and then Edinburgh
 was 15 so it's that range from 11
 thank you so the proposed language is to encourage a living wage for all
 employees $11 based on Dallas so now based on San Antonio that we have
 comparable data for and they were using MIT it was a different year because
 they were adopted on a prior and these were just the most current that was
 available for each of these tables counseling any feedback on that I I'm
 going to refrain from offering feedback on a number because again I'll get I'll
 get a vote and I'll get to speak to my colleagues about it I think what the
 council needs is y'all's unbar I tried to give you some context I think we need
 your unvarnished opinion about that number because that's going to be the
 thing that we spend the most time on I think when this comes back okay so we do
 have a proposal conversation around it okay we can take it to vote then can we
 also can I get direction on the makes is everyone okay with the two additional
 creative makes the council because we can support that as well in the motion
 just wanted to make that little point so I don't know if I like the idea of
 comparing to San Antonio like the Dallas area may better so if we can just adjust
 that to lease the Dallas not and Dallas was 1212 19 is that is that in 21 yeah
 is that 20 they were they were citing MIT but it was an earlier version of
 this so just like we do they adopt every two years so this is 2020 well the HUD
 says 2021 this is the most current MIT I didn't I wasn't able to match it up so
 I'm assuming it was prior okay I mean if you're making your decision of a number
 based upon two-year-old data which has probably been increased at least three
 or four percent here it's like six percent over two years minimum or maybe
 when you're off I mean that was sourcing MIT MIT for one adult 1401 is your
 children right because I think that this is starting at right in your feet wet
 growing person in the organization that's the lowest paid person makes
 whatever this number is and you're eligible for the points you know some
 points and that's total compensation the way it's written is is just wage
 encourage a living wage for all employees new product new jobs earn an
 annual base salary of 21 hours but is the way it's written right now if you
 just said that another number then it would not be total compensation it would
 just be hourly wage or annual base the closest on living wage would be to
 adult zero children at 1132 to Dallas is 1219 we also have 1260 popping up a
 couple times here two adults with two children on the poverty wage and one
 adult with three children so just for the record since we are required I'm not
 saying that I believe that there should be less wages I'm just saying from the
 incentive perspective I would hate for it to be an infuriating factor I don't
 want to go down as the girl that said we should hate people less that's not what
 I'm recommending you know maybe it's I mean it's a point system right it's a
 range maybe the range is between minimum wage in the living wage and the points
 based off of that there's ten points available in that category yes between
 the minimum and the living as just a thought the closer you get to whatever
 that MIT living wages that year the more points you get maybe because it should
 fluctuate from year to year right we don't even know the most for
 information so yeah dollar well this is the most current information available I
 think Dallas was using a prior one just cuz that's when it was adopted all three
 of these data tables are current information taken from their website
 using zero children or to reference MIT but they didn't yeah but no so we're
 true saying did you get full points if you're at the 21 you get zero points if
 you're left yeah and again I'm trying to figure out something and I'm trying to
 figure out where the 21 really came from I'm just I'm just use that as a member
 sure right it was a number of council members suggested yeah that's why we
 got the table all right do you want to make it a motion no I was getting
 conversation I'm hearing a range between 725 and then Dallas is 1219 I also heard
 a range of in your recommendation 725 to that 21 well no I don't know where the
 21 came from that's not part of the MIT nowhere here because you would have to
 pick and I don't know what we're relevant family or for or a single person
 which one is relevant to what would represent what we want in this community
 all right what would we want for the lowest weight of the organization right
 yes what yeah it's a recommended if you do the range make make a recommendation
 to council what do you if the floor for this point range for just this one line
 on the matrix is going to be minimum wage at 725 and or just minimal wage and
 the ceiling or the what the aspirational what we want you to approach to get your
 full 10 pick up take a spot on the MIT or you pick a spot on the HUD and just
 that's the one that we think is best fits the profile of our lowest wage
 earner in the organization or an organization that we'd want to insect
 I mean I kind of like the language of picking one of these labels rather than
 picking a dollar amount so between minimum wage and poverty wage and then
 poverty wage allows you to pick how many in the size of family like that I did
 but I don't think it's ever gonna get a problem I think they're gonna want a
 hard number to say this is what I mean allows it to update if minimum wage
 updates right exactly you have to be that would be my argument and that's as
 MIT updates on an annual basis it's so then you're not talking about dated
 information like from Dallas so he used those and the point range days with
 whatever that definition is yeah I think it would be awkward this is probably
 semantics but we're talking about living wage and then we have minimum wage tied
 into it and minimum wage is identified as less than poverty on some of this
 right it's just depending on the size of the family so need a motion this will
 be a motion to recommend the council this policy with the change to the
 matrix which which which box on the matrix is the bottom well the bottom
 sounds like a minimum wage no no I say the worker
 worker and again I go back to church hypothetical long-term experience young
 single-adult coming in we're trying to target right for that worker because we
 already got a space for the other one right for higher wages or whatever right
 experience right so we've utilized that as well so is this an entry-level worker
 it's whatever the whatever the lowest paid lowest paid a person the organ
 which is my idea is this single person demographic no yeah single person no
 children that's kind of what you base set up off it's just a thought one one
 adult zero children yeah I got your entry-level person that this is trying
 to target and what their wage is you're the other parties were you're having
 discussion point over something that I could be points for the matrix yeah I
 mean bottom line is what's the what's the what's the bottom dollar that they're
 gonna get zero points for is what you're that's what this conversation right so I
 mean really it ought to be you know we're going to start a certain number of
 points when you get at this at this threshold I mean anything below that
 you're getting zero whether it's eight hours an hour or nine hours an hour or
 seven hours we're talking one line out so if we said from 10 to 10 to 20 you
 know I mean that gives you points at 10 and the ice is 20 I mean I'm not I don't
 know we're talking one line I do think the the comment around this being
 something you don't have to revisit you could just make reference to the table
 rather than to a dollar amount so we could say working zero children to
 working three children as the range and you still have the dollar doesn't mean
 that you just have to reference right our matrix to get what the dollar is so
 they have a reference to what the dollar is so in other words you're you're
 basically your bottom part might be you want to be living wage me that's what
 the rest of the document says right yes so your point might be one adult zero
 children living wage is didn't be considered for points which were maybe
 zero or one right all the way to two adults two children in 1931 we're
 currently right so it's just one adult zero children to two adults two children
 on the MTT living wage calculator for Texas to your point 14.01 to 19.31 if I'm
 hearing you correctly the zero child living wage to the two adults both
 working two children that's in both okay but I think you mentioned the numbers
 and that's good so we know what we're looking at but I think that the motion
 is for this box to that box so from one from point a on on the matrix to point
 B whatever the matrix is for any given unit it's referencing the tool and not
 a dollar or Jill Jester will be I don't want any way not got a move so
 we approve this policy with changes to the matrix referencing MIT living wage
 calculator as a range of one adult living with one adult zero children
 living wage to two adults two children living with yes and yes all right okay I
 just proposed so really you're saying 14.01 to 3075 two adults if you're
 looking at it does say two adults two children with only one of them working
 both working we got two adults both working two children motion or second
 second Jimmy all right any other discussion answers no all right all of
 all in favor say aye any opposed hearing done that's what we'll take
 forward that was easy that was good that's what the group is for that was
 good conversation that was good feedback and advice and real all right any other
 agenda items to be brought forward Erica for our you need interest of time I
 think we can you can read them at your leisure and we do not we did not have
 US aviation next month okay any other from the group all right if you can you
 have turns right no we don't we need one more all right everyone thank you for
 your patience this meeting is adjourned

        
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