Apr 05, 2021 Committee on the Environment on 2021-04-05 9:00 AM

Thank you. Morning and welcome to this meeting of this density Council's committee on the environment, seeing that we have a quorum, we'll move right into the agenda. Our first item for consideration is item a consider approval of the February 1st minutes seeking a motion. I move approval of the second. I'll second it. All those in discussion? None. Seeing none. All those in favor, please raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Aye. Why not? Okay, moving on to item B. Receive a report and hold a discussion on greenhouse gas emission forecasting and reduction strategy planning sample. Good morning, Council members. James Douglas, Conservation Programs Coordinator with the Sustainability Department. Let me pull up the presentation. There we go. And how does that look for everybody? Awesome. All right. So as you stated, we're going to talk today about the updated greenhouse gas emissions forecast, and we're also going to walk through a sample reduction plan. As stated at the last meeting, we did update that sample. And so we're going to present that today. And here's a little bit of what we're going to go over. So we're going to touch on the background of the greenhouse gas management as a whole. We'll go over the methodology of the forecast itself and the business as usual results. So those are the results without any intervention. We're going to go over the mitigation sample strategy and those recommendations from our partnering organization, which is ICLEI. So we've been a member with ICLEI since we started our greenhouse gas inventory process in 2011. And we use their ClearPath tool to do all of the forecasting and all of the inventorying that you're going to see here. We'll go over some challenges to the forecasting and inventory process. And we're not going to touch on specific reduction target options today, but we are going to go over some next steps, the role of the new citizen committee for sustainability, and also some exciting items that are on the horizon for our greenhouse gas management. So just a little bit of background on the program. As I said, it started in 2011. The first thing that was done was a baseline inventory for the year 2006. And a greenhouse gas inventory is basically just an assessment of the city and the community's carbon footprint. From there, we started doing those inventories annually in 2015. We really got the data collection streamlined, and so we're lucky enough here in Denton to be able to do that data collection process annually. From there, we were able to start integrating some new tools such as the contribution analysis, which we started in 2018, and essentially that's a comparison of two years' worth of results. And so basically checking on what's the variability between those two years, what changed, what's different. We started the forecasting in the 2018-2019 timeframe as well. And so that allows us to project our current emissions and see what those are going to look like moving forward. The goal of the forecasting is to best inform the target setting process. And so if you take a look at the cycle to the right, the goal of this cycle is really to do this annually. So right now we're in the forecasting process for the first time. We would move into target setting and mitigation planning, and really annually we would take a look and review and monitor that every year and build that into the next year's inventory and just go throughout the cycle. Here we have the forecasting methodology. So the 2018 inventory was used as the baseline input for the forecast. That inventory is attached in the backup. The four sectors there will probably look familiar from our inventory. That's energy, transportation, water and wastewater and solid waste. As I said, there's really two main inputs to the forecast. So you have the base values from 2018, and then you have the growth, which is from those factor sets that you see there. So some of those are probably what you would expect to see. Things like population growth, growth and residential development, which you can kind of think of as changes in population density and also expansion of residential development. And then things like carbon intensity. So these are things like EPA's standards for transportation. So they set goals for vehicle manufacturers that say, okay, we would like you to meet this efficiency by this year. And so we can take those and incorporate those and kind of know what to expect from a carbon intensity standpoint. Some assumptions that are in there are things like consistent behavior patterns. So basically what this is, you can kind of think of things like waste generated per person or vehicle miles traveled per person. So those are assumed to be constant in the forecast, but those are things that we can tweak later on in the reduction strategy. And with that, you can think of things like education, outreach, things like that, that we'll see potentially changes in behavior patterns. So let's take a look at this business as usual forecast. As I said, this is starting in 2018 and projected out to the year 2050. With things like population growth and residential development growth built in there, we do see an exponential increase, which is to be expected. And then the other main takeaway here is you can kind of see the two main categories that are contributing to the emissions here are transportation and residential energy. You do see a drop off there from 2018 to about 2021. That's from the continued reduction due to DME's 100% renewable target. That's largely what that is, as well as some other items that are currently in place. And then from there, once we've reached that 100% renewable energy, obviously, we're going to kind of increase from there without additional measures in place. >> Excuse me. I just want to pause you before you leave this slide. I'm just doing visual color matching, and the blue looks more like the industrial energy colors that I said. >> The -- yeah, it is a little bit -- so that's the darker blue that you see in the later years with the residential energy. I agree it is a little bit of a mismatch there, but yes, that is the darker blue color. >> Just confirming. Thanks. >> Thank you. As I said, that's the business as usual. And so this is our sample reduction strategy. As I said, we worked on this with ICLEI as well. And so basically what we were looking for were things that were most sort of within operational influence of the city. And so we targeted the two main sectors that we're contributing, energy and transportation. And so I'll walk through these briefly. There is a table that goes into more detail for all of these items in the backup. So a couple of things that are built into this is the concept that we will maintain 100% renewable energy moving forward, the addition of a low-income weatherization program, the continuation of the energy efficiency rebate program, and a retrofit program, which is the electrification of existing gas appliances. So that's existing in 2021 and replacing those by 2050 as they break and need replaced with electric options. On the transportation side, we have things such as expanded transit coverage, the proposed mobility plan updates. This was back with the 2020 draft. As we move forward with that process, we'll be happy to incorporate any changes to the mobility plan that come in. A continued remote work strategy. So a certain percentage of the population that shifted to remote work over the last year would remain at remote work. And so we built that in. We also built in a fast adoption EV scenario. And so this is a -- to give you some of the target points, 30% passenger gasoline vehicles by 2030 would be EV. Now that is -- and that is from a fast adoption scenario. And then also a 75% target by 2050, which has been -- is something that's been included in other cities' plans in the North Texas region. And so, you know, we felt a little bit comfortable including that in our sample as well. Improved citywide bike infrastructure. And also bus rapid transit starting in 2045. And so that would basically be when -- when Denton would grow to the point when something like that would be a little bit more feasible. And so we included that as well. As I said, those are in more detail in a table in the backup. And I'm happy to answer any questions if you do have detailed questions about those. This is the incorporation of that sample reduction strategy. As you can see, transportation, we really lower transportation emissions there, especially towards the later years. And we basically see an overall reduction. The -- I'm going to move on to the next slide, but I'm happy to come back to the table. Actually, I'll stay here for just a second. So the -- the two proposed targets here from ICLEI are a 30% by 2035. And this is really a maintaining of that 30%. So we have crossed that threshold currently with our 2019 inventory. However, maintaining that 30% will be a challenge with the exponential growth that we are expecting to see. And ICLEI's other proposed more long-term target is a net zero target. So with that, some of the challenges, of course, are going to be operational control and operational influence of the city. And so there are, of course, certain levers that can be pulled. But some things will be the natural transition, such as the transition to EVs, you know, when those -- when the price point changes, when the technology becomes available, things like that, hurdles that will be cleared, are slightly outside of the city's operational influence. As I said, that kind of ties hand in hand with the assumption of behavior change. There are things such as education and outreach that the city can do, but some of those things are going to be a gradual behavior change. Federal, state, and regional continuity. Basically, what we mean by this is there are items, as we're looking for reduction strategies, that will work in certain parts of the United States that might not work so well in Texas, or things that might work really well in Dallas, but might not work so well in Denton. And so basically, just finding that very Denton-specific reduction strategy and sample is in and of itself a challenge. And then, of course, we want to balance sustainable growth. Obviously, we want people to come to Denton, enjoy everything that Denton has to offer. We expect to see a growing population. And so basically, just balancing that with sustainable growth and understanding our greenhouse gas emissions moving forward is also a challenge. As I said, the main takeaway from the ICLEI recommendations, and there is also a memo from ICLEI regarding this forecast in the backup, the main takeaway is really a two-part goal, is the recommendation. So an interim target for more of the short term, and then a long-term goal. This sample, as I said, addresses the target of 30% by 2035 as an example. And ICLEI's long-term goal for all of their cities is net zero. That's what they do as an organization, and that's what they hope to help all cities to achieve. With that, I do want to go over some next steps and some exciting things that are on the horizon. So as I said, we will be taking this whole topic and concept to the citizen advisory committee. We're hoping to give them two to three presentations to really bring them up to speed, but what we're hoping is to get some input on the forecasting model and on the reduction strategies and see if there's anything additional that they see is incredibly feasible right now, or kind of get an idea from them of where those inflection points are on some of the technology and things like that to make sure that the model is as good as it can possibly be. Once we have their input and recommendations, we'll bring that back to the committee on the environment, and we will further discuss those reduction targets at that time. Some things that are coming about with the greenhouse gas management program as a whole, like I said, that we're really excited about. The first one, the 2020 inventory, as I said, we do this annually, and so we can expect those results probably mid to late summer for the 2020 inventory, so we're going to start working on that, as well as the contribution analysis. We're really excited about some new transportation data that's coming about, and so this is incredibly important because it's going to allow us to analyze transportation every single year, and so before we were getting three to five years between new data sets, and so with this new data source, having it be every year, we're going to be able to analyze that change year to year, and as we set these goals and have these mitigation strategies, that's going to be incredibly important in terms of keeping us on track. And the last thing is the regional greenhouse gas inventory cohort that's hosted by the COG. So for the last nine, 10 years, Denton's really been one of about three cities in the area that's had a greenhouse gas inventory, and so with this program, that's no longer going to be the case, so the COG is hoping to get about 20 cities to, for many of them, do their first greenhouse gas inventory, which is going to be excellent, and they're also going to do a regional greenhouse gas inventory, and so the hope is to basically streamline this process with other cities, and also when everybody kind of does this collectively, we're really looking for some regional solutions to come about from this, and so we're really excited to collaborate with the COG and with the other cities in the area, and we're excited to see the results of that program. So with that, I will move on to any questions that you might have, but we're also really looking for anything that you can think of, as I said, as we take this topic to the citizen advisory committee, if there's anything that you would like us to consider or to keep in mind as we go through that process. Let me pull down the presentation. There we go. Thank you. Committee members, questions? Thank you. I don't have any questions. That was all very well presented, and a lot of the, you know, the actual data and the things that we'll need to kind of dig into kind of come later on, but, you know, I thought it was encouraging to see if we build in some of those assumptions, you know, knowing that they're assumptions, that we have some real opportunities. The only thing I'm a little concerned about when we go to the citizen's advisory group, and they're a real bright group, I'm really sure that they're going to understand this pretty well, but if we can kind of emphasize operational control, just because there are so many things the city can do and there are so many things the city can't, and you're well aware of those. Y'all's department is very well aware of those. I think most members of the committee are very aware of the city's limitations also, but just if we kind of have an asterisk by that, so folks know what we can do and what we can't do. Definitely, we'll definitely be looking to, you know, where we get the most of our efforts, I think, is really what we're focused on, so absolutely. Councilmember Baker. Anything to add or ask? You're muted. Connie, you got to unmute. There you go. I was going to ask on the environmental, does it have anything to do with the landfill expansion or anything? I mean this. So we include solid waste as one of the sectors that is inputted into the inventory. When we take a look at the community, it wasn't one of the ones that we were focusing on for the current reduction strategy and also with the solid waste management strategy to be released soon. We'll definitely take that into consideration, and so we work closely with them on all of this, and we do include them in our annual inventory, and so any changes with that will be included in that annual report for us. Well, I just wondered. I've had some people, you know, I asked about the landfill, and I'm glad they're looking into it or going to look into it, so thank you very much. I have a number of questions. First of all, can you remind us whether we tie exactly or similarly or a little bit differently to the Paris targets and the international intergovernmental panel on climate change? Yes, so we are looking and we will present all of those tie-ins as we present the reduction strategy options. We -- I'm anticipating that those will be a little bit different depending on how long it is between when we reconvene, so those may change in that time frame. And then there are also -- we'll also present some options. We're expecting some other documentation to come out with ICLEI as well that sort of tie it back to both the Paris agreement and then obviously one more step back to the IPCC, and so we'll have a little bit more information about that as well when we present those targeting options. Okay. I know looking at the slide seven graph that shows kind of BAU versus projected with mitigation, can you give us an idea of which of the strategies contribute the most to that delta? What does it really hinge on? It's everything, but what does the most? Definitely. And so if you take a look at that profile, obviously those are specific to the sector, right? So we can see if something is influencing vehicle miles traveled. We can compare that to something else that is also influencing vehicle miles traveled. It's a little bit more difficult to say overall on a carbon basis because it changes every year in terms of those growth factors and things like that. I can say that the shift to EVs, especially that fast adoption EVs because transportation is such a big part of that inventory is probably going to be one of the more influential ones and any of those sort of VMT reduction things such as the transit capacity and things like that. Vehicle miles traveled, right? Yes, sorry, yes, correct. Vehicle miles traveled. So the remote working is a big contributor that could be? It is absolutely a contributor. It was a little bit less than anticipated in sort of a smaller reduction. But that being said, when we took a look at that, we were taking a look at, okay, what percentage of people actually made that shift to working from home and what percentage of total vehicle miles traveled are for commuting. And when we started taking out things like that, obviously it became less and less of an impact. So I think 30% of all vehicle miles traveled are from commuting. And then I think we had about a 31% shift to work from home. And so when you start taking those into account, it was a little bit less than we were anticipating, but certainly still worth including. So if you had to rank order, obviously we want to do everything on our list to achieve the goal, but if you had to rank order, is it accelerating the shift toward electric vehicles number one and what's number two? In this sample, I believe EVs was the largest. And then some of the other ones that were up there were pull up the list here from the table. The expanded transit coverage and the bicycle infrastructure and the mobility plan were up there as well. Just as I said, taking chunks out of that, the transportation sector. So I was wondering about that one. I thought that might be the case since, you know, motor vehicles are such a big part of what we're talking about, but tell me where my thinking is wrong on this. Public transit only reduces greenhouse gases in two ways, I think. If you replace a car on the road or if that vehicle itself goes from, you know, goes to something non-polluted, goes to electric. Because, you know, what I'm thinking about is DCTA is moving primarily to on-demand. So it's somebody else's vehicle on the road. It's not your own. I mean, I guess there's a little bit of efficiency. You might have two or three in the vehicle but not 10 or 20. So, you know, if we shift people to on-demand with DCTA, I would think that it would only matter if their on-demand fleet was electric. So you're spot on with the two impacts in terms of vehicle miles traveled reduction and then carbon intensity. And so carbon intensity can kind of be two ways, as you said, if it's a vehicle miles traveled can kind of be two ways. If it's a shared ride, right, if it's a bus, as you said, if you're taking vehicle miles traveled off of the road, is one of them. And then if the vehicles in question are less carbon intensive, then the passenger vehicles. And so we would have to look specifically at each of those to incorporate them into the model. But you're correct that those are the two sort of metric points that are being influenced there. And I take your point that you're looking at a big expansion of bus sort of down the road when the population's bigger and more dense. Well, bigger, maybe more dense. But it suggests that there ought to be a priority on dialogue between you all and DCTA. I don't know, is the point, I guess maybe the point of contact is maybe us or me, specifically. I'm on both. I think, I'm going to pretend maybe as well. But I don't know if that consideration is in conversation. I think that that's the ability. I think that that's going to be something that's front and center with the regional conversation as well with the regional greenhouse gas inventory. And as we have the regional inventory and also all of the other participating cities in the area, I think some solutions are going to come about. And I think the COG can be potentially a good contact point for that as well. Well, I would just put that on your radar that they're talking about going from fixed route to on demand for many valid and interesting reasons, but a priority on electrifying that fleet should be expressed. I was curious to whatever extent remote work is a contributor. If it's a third of the impact on a third of the traffic, that's not nothing. Do you have any thoughts policy wise on how we can create conditions that encourage remote work? Because it does strike me as one of those things that might fit under the asterisk. Councilmember Davis mentioned what role would the city play? Do you have any thoughts on what roles cities have played or could play? I think that that's definitely right in one of the asterisk areas where we may have some sphere of influence in terms of education and outreach and encouraging that. Ultimately, it's going to be something that falls under the behavior change and sort of a shift in the thinking for that. We can definitely, if that comes out as one of the priority items, we can definitely take a deeper dive in that. But yeah, I agree. I think that that's one that falls right into that overlap area. On the other hand, I don't mean to be defeatist. There is something that we can do to create the conditions. Certainly, the incentive to do remote work is making it a livable and attractive place. That's a little soft, but we've talked about that in our economic development conversations. One last point. On the residential energy side, one of the things that kept coming up, or at least occurring to me when we were talking about issues the city had during the storm was we had same kind of pipes freezing as people had in the residences. I don't know that we have built to include high degrees of insulation. I asked about what our current standards are, and I believe new construction does require, worth checking again, does require a good amount of insulation. But I wonder what we could do to create incentives if this is kind of worth it from a sustainability point of view. Incentives to better insulate existing homes. Gotcha. If there's anybody on that would want to jump in on that one, I would be welcoming of that. If not, I can definitely get back to you on that one at a later time, but I will definitely make a note of that. I think it could make a big difference. Absolutely. Well, I'm really excited about the advisory committee meeting. I think it's a real blue star, blue ribbon kind of assembly of folks. I think they're going to help us a lot. I hope you posted to allow for a very rich exploratory exchange. Not just presentation and response, but I think we'll let them talk to each other. They'll come up with good stuff. Yeah, I think that we're very excited for the input that we're going to get there. And yeah, looking forward to a collaborative process for sure. We're excited. Anything else for staff? Thank you. I kind of developed a question on the residential energy. Just kind of comparing the two graphs, it looks like with our mitigation strategies we've already kind of factored in. We drop about a quarter million metric tons in the residential energy. And I'm wondering, first, because two-parter, I'm curious about what assumptions we're building into. We know there's population growth, obviously. We know that people have to live in houses and people are going to it's going to be economically advantageous to keep building houses in Denton, we expect. So we expect that people are going to keep building houses. But what other assumptions are we kind of building in? Are we, do we notice a particular trend in whether those are all electric houses or whether they're gas and electric? Are we factoring in, you know, I think council will probably consider the 2021 building codes at some point in the near future. And those are the updates, I understand them, have a lot to do with energy efficiency for new construction. So how are we, what assumptions are we building in? And are there more things that maybe coming down the pipe later on, for instance, a big all-electric subdivision that'll change the metrics or the building codes coming in? Will that kind of change where the graph looks like? Definitely. And that's a great question. And so I can speak to the forecast itself. And so one of the things that we didn't talk about as much today that can influence that and it's not so much from a reduction strategy standpoint. It's more, as you're saying, from an altering the forecast standpoint. So right now we have current residential density items built in. And those are from the Denton 2030 plan. And so as that plan gets updated with the Denton 2040, we can take and incorporate those new residential development and residential density metrics. And we'll incorporate those and we'll update the model there. What is currently built in there for electric versus natural gas is a continuation of the current ratio of those. So if that were to change, then we could update that in the forecast itself. And so that would not be so much of a reduction strategy as much as a change in what the business as usual would look like. And I think that that's kind of what you were getting at with the question. And so that does have the capability to be influenced. Do we know or do we track kind of trends? You know, are there I just haven't paid close attention with some of our larger subdivisions coming in. If they tend to be all electric or if they tend to be a mix, do we track that kind of thing? So we have. We've gone about it in a way of sort of pairing a couple different data sets to create that metric. So we do have that for the past couple years. And there's also US Census data that can give us an idea of if we were going for a national average or a Texas average on those things, we also have those to compare to. And so that's a metric that we recently developed. And so we do we do have that capability. I would think that'd be interesting to the city not just from an environmental standpoint, but also as a electricity provider. So if there's a way to kind of report that back to us kind of what the current trends are, whether we need to take any action on that or not, just what the trends are so we're aware of them and know what they are. Definitely. Another question occurred to me as we were talking here. Can you help point out what components of the mobility plan you think most will weigh on this analysis? So that was largely a collaboration between IGLI and also some of the consultants last year from the mobility plan drafting. My best understanding is that it's the same sort of factors that we take a look at now. So what is going to be the change in vehicle miles traveled, but also what's going to be the change in trip length time on the road, things like that. And so if you have better flow, you're not going to be on the road as long. The vehicle miles traveled may be the same, of course, but you're not going to be idling as much. So those were taken into those were taken into account. They're going to be rough estimations for the purposes of the forecast. But those conversations were had between our two consulting groups. So congestion is correct. Yes. Thank you. Of course, there's a long standing critique of road expansion to relief congestion that it's ultimately futile because you encourage development and you're just kind of always playing catch up there. Anything else for staff? Thank you so much for this. I really look forward to the new data set. It's a little weird to be in 2021 to continue to look back at three-year-old analysis, but I feel like we're on the verge of something that could be very important. And I will say with that, too, the we have the 2019 data. Obviously, the 2020 data is coming, but the 2019 data is tracking well with the estimate that we currently have. And so we felt comfortable with that. Okay, great. Thank you. Let's move on to item C, management reports, one green business program update. Who's got that? I can go ahead and take the lead on that as well. So we just wanted to give a brief update regarding the green business program. And so we're getting to the point now where we can kind of feel comfortable reaching out to businesses and things are getting a little bit more predictable. And so we're really hoping to take some things that we learned from the first year of the program and really start this upcoming year with some new things. So a couple of the changes that we're going to make based on the feedback that we got. The application, we're going to take a more open-ended approach to that, which we're pretty excited about. So we realized that the previous application was a little bit restrictive in terms of what it was asking of the businesses. And so it may not be applicable to everybody. And so with the new open-ended approach, what we're really hoping to get is to hear more from the businesses about what they're doing in each of those categories. And it goes hand in hand, of course, with the sustainability framework key focus areas. And so we're really looking to hear more from the businesses. And so we've got that open-ended approach coming. And we're also looking forward to taking a look at the possibility of a cohort. So basically having 10 to 15 businesses who want to learn something specific, whether that be something that we're looking at first, which is sort of an energy management, you know, how to read the electric bill, what is, you know, what's our, some of our electricity use coming from, things like that. And so really hoping to have some more added value for the businesses that join the program. And so we're looking forward to taking a look at that cohort option as well. And so it's kind of where we're at with that. Like I said, when things start progressively getting more predictable for businesses, we'll start reaching out. And we'll also give those businesses that took the opportunity to join during our first year. We'll give them sort of first chance at that cohort if that's something that they're interested in learning about. So that's where we're at. And if there's any questions with that, I'm happy to answer those as well. Questions? No? Thank you. Thanks. You know, it's a great program to talk about. I really want to see it back up on its feet. For sure. You know, perfect thing, perfect things that everyone can align on. It's green and it's business. New business action items, Matrix. Did you want to go through that as well? Item two. I don't know who I'm asking. Who's got that? Is that you, Catherine? I'll take that. I think the only thing we have left on the Matrix right now is the mosquito update. And Deborah will be bringing that back in the next month or so. Items that committee members would like to add? Anything at the moment? I've got one. Go ahead. I was just going to say, I'm looking forward to the committee meeting. And as you said, I hope that they're posted broadly enough. That's a really good point. I hope that posting is broad enough that some of those things will trickle up to us, right? That this committee will end up talking about some things that they think up. Absolutely. Is there a thought right now about how their meetings will be structured in terms of moving through the sustainability framework? Are you going to focus on certain areas? Or sort of everything all at once? I think we'll probably start with a broad overview and then tackle each focus area. I know there's going to be a big emphasis right now on the greenhouse gas cemetery with the regional greenhouse gas efforts and air quality efforts. Probably start with that chapter. And then also a lot of the members will be up to speed, I think, on a lot of things that are going on around town. We'll probably do a little bit on the resilience and some of the things we experience with the winter storm. Sounds good. I have an item to add. Could we get an update on the Denton County Green Belt Plan and sort of more broadly about what steps we might take to bring more of our riparian areas into protected status. And then back to specifically the green belt. I'd like to know whether you think it's a good idea or a bad idea to leave more of an unmowed area between the stream of the creek and the mowed portion. It looks like we're getting input from members of the community that we're mowing right up to the bank's edge. And it might be wise not to do that. So I'd be interested in not at this second but, you know, in your thoughtful consideration of that. We'll touch the face of parks and drainage on that. I think that covers us for new business. Actually, you know what? Well, that could have been under concluding items too. Take your pick. So now we're on concluding items. Any other concluding items? I have one. I don't know if you remember Misty Adams. It's been a while. She was our residential recycling outreach coordinator but we have built that position and Julissa came on board in January and I want to introduce her. I think she's going to jump on screen here. We'll do a little virtual introduction. Julissa is our new residential recycling outreach coordinator and she has been great. She's hit the ground running. She came over to us from pretreatment. So she already had some good relationships in the community and she's hit so many apartment complexes talking to them about recycling and getting recycling totes out. So we're excited to have her on board. Is that like one of the best jobs in Denton that you just say? Good for you. I think so. So it's nice to meet everyone. My name is Julissa Amador. Like Catherine said, I worked over in pretreatment and I worked under Heather Goins for about two years. So I've been here since January and I'm excited to be working here and working with sustainability. But yeah, it is a really great job and I'm very excited. I've reached out to a lot of apartments, but I do apartment and multifamily and residential recycling outreach. So if there's anything that you guys would like to see, please let us know. So that's something that I can get started on. I'll tell you, I'm personally, well first of all, super glad that you're on board. And I'm very eager to discover what you learn are the best ways to keep contamination out of the stream in multifamily with an eye toward eventually having that be you know, as universal as single family recycling. And a thought that I would share with you might go nowhere, but they seem to have really good results with the Concierge program with commercial. And I wonder if there's some element of that that, you know, might help kind of crack the nut on multifamily. Just for your consideration. Yes. I know that for trash valet, it is a little different in comparison to what we have for residential. But yes, that is something that we can start getting worked on, worked on. And I have been meeting with HOAs and reaching out to them so that they kind of put a name to a face. And they can reach out to me for whenever residents have any questions. Or if they just need a new kind of info, any kind of info that they need updated, any mailers, things like that. Great. Jesse, looks like you have something in your mind that you want to say. I guess I don't have a very good poker face. Now, what I was thinking about, I guess this is a good concluding item too, because Brian's on the line and I can give a shout out to Solid Waste and that valet program. I was just bragging on that program sitting at Oak Street Drafthouse and the little trash truck comes by doing the valet thing and somebody said, "What's that tiny little baby trash truck?" And I'll tell you what it is. It's the wave of the future. It's how you take care of solid waste in a dense urban environment with a healthy night life. And so that's my concluding item. Shout out to the valet solid waste service. Fantastic. Yes. Great. Any other concluding items? Then we shall conclude. I will adjourn this meeting - At 944. - Thank you. - Okay.