Dec 16, 2020 Planning and Zoning Commission on 2020-12-16 5:00 PM

Good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the planning and zoning commission work session meeting for Wednesday December 16th 2020. Seeing that we do have a quorum I will call the meeting to order at 5.01. Let the record show at this time Commissioner Anderson and Commissioner Pernetta are not present. With that I don't have any public comment for the consent agenda so we can hop into item number two for the work session which is work session reports. We just have one this evening hold a discussion regarding the overview of online GIS maps and so I'll turn it over staff for presentation and also note that Commissioner Anderson has joined us or is joining now. We ready for the map overview Cody it is all you all right well good evening everybody today I'm going to be going over three different interactive maps that we have online I'm going to go ahead and share my screen. Does everyone know Cody maybe maybe Cody if you can maybe just introduce yourself a little bit. Yeah I'm Cody Yates I'm GIS analyst for development services been making maps here for about five years or so so also commonly known as the wizard thank you Richard can everybody see my screen that I got pulled up yes we can all right so I'm going to be going over three maps today our active projects map our weekly project submissions map and our interactive map the quickest way you can get here from our website is you go up to governments and then go down through the open government and click maps you'll get pulled up to our GIS map section here so first one I want to go over is our active projects map and pull that one up so when you pull that up you're going to see a whole lot of colors and if you click down here there is a legend you pulled up and it'll tell you what all these different colors are so they got different representations we got the rezoning specific use permits variances all different types of projects color coded in here and at the bottom you'll notice that we have a big table it's first loaded up the rezoning so you can click each individual tab here and it'll pull up each different type of project so if you were to click on any of these project polygon boundaries it'll pull up the project ID project name the case manager for that project and its current status this one was approved with conditions and over on him on the left we had the layer list which is similar to the legend but I'll let you check off and on different layers in case you were just cared about a particular one and if you were to scroll down on this list say we go to a specific use permits check out s28 legacy multifamily already double click that it would then zoom right into that project and you can see its project boundary where it's located all the information for it you can do the reverse by clicking on a project and clicking zoom to in the bottom left corner does the same and if you don't care for the topography we got in the background you can go down to base map here and click on any of these different background maps that we have available and there's a see imagery hybrid one I could zoom in and then see the the background for that project we also have a measure tool it's pretty basic you can measure acreage area check your units or also just a distance and then there is also the print tool so you could if you zoom into a particular area the map of the project boundaries you can then print it out to a PDF or just print straight to the printer and then we have the select tool it's by default is going to be selecting everything but let's say you just want to select rezoning so you can check off all these zoom out a little bit click the select tool and then drag and it will create a box and highlights all of those rezonings in there and I'll tell you these highlighted seven of them if you were to click on that it'll show all seven that you've selected and then you can click on one get that information popped up you go to the rezoning tab and everyone that you've selected is now highlighted in blue here so that's pretty handy okay it looks like a question from Commissioner Smith yeah go ahead new chair hey Cody can you go back to do the measurement again yeah let me pull that up so we got the measure tool down here let me zoom down into one let me get our topography map back on a little easier to see what's going on here and I'm gonna clear the selection so we got these three projects or four projects here I can do the miles I'll just set it down to feet now click on a point here it doesn't does it does it do anchorage yes if the first one is the area and the second one is just the distance so if you do the first one you can do acreage here square feet whatever unit you want and you just click on a point click again and then you just keep clicking and so you've got whatever boundary you want set and then double click when you're finished and it tells you the total acreage got you yeah there's been a couple times where we've looked at projects where it's been like how far away is it from xyz where is where is this and this would be a good tool thank you appreciate it yeah it's pretty handy and the measure tool works very similarly you just click click again to end it or if you want to make multiple measurements just click once and then double click when you're done and has a lot for you got it and does it only do a straight line yes it only does in straight lines so getting curves might be a little tricky but you can just keep clicking individually and you can zoom in to get more accurate measurements gotcha gotcha gotcha okay understood all right uh thanks yeah no problem and over on the left here we have a home button which if you press press we'll go back to the main zoom out area there's a location button that should zoom into your location the zoom in and out if you don't want to use a mouse tool this should also work on mobile so if you ever pull it up on your uh your mobile phone you can do all the same just straight from it and we have the address bar up here so you can type in an address zoom straight to that and then we have approved projects and denied projects listed down here tells the status of them and then hey cody i think we lost you cody we can see your screen uh but no audio is coming through can you guys hear me yes we can uh seems my webcam may have been uh bugging out sorry about that uh we lost you right when you clicked in the city council districts okay uh so city council districts if you load up that tab um you can see all the districts on here and you can click on one and zoom straight to that one and if you pull up the legend like it did here and scroll down to the bottom it shows you what the colors of those districts uh represent so i think that's um pretty much everything uh except for the options here on the table you could if you wanted to export this whole table into uh csv so you can have it in an excel spreadsheet if you want so that's pretty handy do we have any particular questions over this map uh yes christner beck yes thank you chair cody uh on the uh export to csv uh do we have other options is it just csv we don't have jason i think it's just csv but you should be able to load that up into an excel format and uh then convert it into any other excel format right and then my second question is um a second ago you you did an area select and uh it highlighted a number of active projects um in in blue uh can can you dump just the the highlighted selection when you on the table oh you mean if you select the certain one and then export just that one yes can you do that i believe you can so in the table here if you have it um on the left side there's these kind of gray buttons you can do it the same way there and if you click and drag um actually it doesn't work like that you can click one at a time here but um let's see i have all these selected right now i'm gonna let's just select one for now we're gonna go to this one we have it selected you go export and i'm gonna open that one up and we have that one product can you see this right here can't i'm sorry i'm gonna get popped up in a different screen but i can confirm it does select that one that you had selected export it out so i guess my question is if you have the seven it it's not going to force me to go back and click them one at a time it's going to export the seven i don't believe it would but let me see if i can test that for you real quick i'm gonna select two different ones here so we got seven selected in the rezoning export this out and yes it does also awesome thank you cody whatever which ones that you have selected it'll export just those out now do note that that would just be for if you were doing one type you may have to go in to each individual if you want to rezoning and specific use permits and export them separately any other questions for cody on this map i don't see any cody okay all right well i'm going to move on to the next one here that is our weekly submission list projects it's very similar it's just a very toned down map version of the other one this has only the projects that were submitted like this week and it's a from a list compiled by our planning techs so you can see here there is only eight records currently on this map and next week it'll be around seven or eight different records it's very very similar to the other one it does have a little different information so we have the contact email contact number for the project managers listed on here the acreage current zoning lot counts if you were to click on this all that information pops up there you have over on the top right the legend the layer list and other than that it's it's the same kind of format you can export these as well it's just a much simpler looking map that has just the this week's projects any questions for cody on the weekly submission list map sure if i'm if i may just add i don't know if you notice the difference some of the older projects just may have had the project name some it may have included the planner i think if you see as you can see here you'll see what the acreage current zoning trying to get a lot more information as we continually to upgrade this so it has whoever the applicant is the project manager which is either one of the facilitators in some instances would be a planning staff member as well as their telephone number and email that way if somebody did have a specific question on a project they know who's in charge of that project and they could reach out to them directly christian are back thank you uh cody or richard when you do a district selection and you get all the uh the uh active or weekly projects in a district um is there a similar tool for e t j is there is there a tab out for e t j or you have to select all and then unselect districts how would you get the e t j is what i'm asking for are you talking about the just the boundaries for the e t j i'm not sure i fall projects in the e t j oh projects in the e t j um well i'm pulling back on the previous map here so we do have some previous projects that were in the e t j uh they just wouldn't be listed under that particular council district yeah on the weekly it might even be easier to just sort because there wouldn't be a zoning district assigned to it yeah no i i guess the district thing was a little bit of a red herring the the question was more if i wanted to see the projects in the e t j there's not a specific tab for those oh just specifically just filter out the ones in the e t j i'm currently no i don't believe so but um if that's something you guys are interested in we could probably work to add them it's not something i'm requesting at the moment uh i was just curious if it was already built in not not at the moment so if you were to look on here and see that it's not one of these districts that would mean it's an e t j and then to just point before we call them over current zoning if you just sorted by that it'd be blank if it was e t j zoning would be blank would it well we wouldn't have a city zoning that's true we wouldn't have a designation would we it doesn't look like any of these weekly projects are in e t j though so there's they're all they all have a population i feel any other questions for the weekly submission map awesome two down all right and go on to the interacting map now this one uh you may have seen before it's an entirely different beast it's got uh tons of different layers they all over here on the right side um so let me go through something so this one here the fourth one down projects turn that on it looks very similar because it's the same projects that are over on our active projects map just in this format of the map uh you can do pretty similar things um with this um the main tool you're going to want to use on this map though is this um identify tool it's down here with a little i click on that and then click on any uh project or parcel it will now pull up every layer that you have turned on that falls within that point that you've selected so um you've selected this parcel and uh this flat and in the county let me scroll out and select one of these projects here seems to have some issues with the projects but it any other layer will pull up information so if you select the planning the default layer that turns on is the current zoning they have to give it a second to load all say the labels here we got the current zoning and we have future land use previous zoning voter districts and we have the female layer contours wastewater gas well layer uh turn on the gas well later turn off planning real quick there are this the active gas well padside uh buffers we have set here a 500 and 1000 foot buffer i go over here so you can see from these uh gas flows you have a 500 foot and 1000 foot set on here and you can just have that turned on for every gas flow in the city so that's a handy layer to know about and then up here on the top right we have it set to the uh regular background but if you drag this over all the way you turn on our aerial imagery if you want to you could only drag it halfway and kind of have it faded in the background and then up in the tools we have another measuring tool does the same as the other ones did so you can select and draw lines that measure and you can do the same for an area with acreage square feet whatever you like we also have many different search functions so you can search by parcel property id you can search by uh projects and track it and then up in the map section we um you can save a particular bookmark of a location and you can print out maps but this is primarily useful because you know you can all the different types of layers that we have stored within our system do we have any particular questions any particular layers you guys might be looking for commissioner beck yeah thank you chair uh cody when you select something with a body of water in it does it include the body of water in the in the characteristic features i don't believe so i think that that's more of a background layer okay so for example if if i wanted to know how much uh acreage was in a detention pond or over there in part of the lake i would have to select an area boundary uh calculate the area and then yeah you could pick that one and then get the acreage for the entire parcel does that acreage include the body of water it does not include the body of water by default yes the area would be including the body of water i believe um but you could if you wanted to measure out that body of water get an estimate on that and then subtract it out or you call up our gis department here we could measure we have a separate um i believe lakes and rivers layers that we could calculate the area from there i don't believe we have them available on this interactive map but um if that's something that is done often you can see about adding it in so my second question is um if we as we have more layers is this a server side or client side is it is my computer gets slower um i believe it's server side um i'm currently running it from my personal desktop and um seems to be running fairly fine okay um a laptop might have a little bit more difficulty if you're using a lot of layers but um i think for the most part it should run fine awesome thank you cody appreciate it is there any other questions okay if you could just show sorry sorry chair the um the integration with track it and where they're going where we're going so just to give everyone an idea um i don't know if you want to maybe click on a parcel that recently was platted um up on maybe try windsor right there at um windsor and 35 let's see uh one of these ones on the left here work um to the north right right there all right so i'm going to identify this property here and uh we have a map link to dcad here to click on that pulls out a whole uh link to dcad for that property yeah and just for a shortcut at least my little shortcut that i use when you click on that dcad link you can it'll save you plat so if you ever need to pull the plat on the property this is sort of a shortcut as opposed to going through um our laser fish and so if it's recorded it'll automatically pull the plat up for that um for that parcel and so if it is a drainage pond or a detention area uh it may it may very well have that acreage right on the uh on the plat and i don't know why that's not pulling up the track it you might have to click it to the other other parcel for some reason yeah that particular one doesn't seem to have track it info on it but let me try oh you know what may have been because i took off the property layer yeah there we go yeah here we go so if you click on it so if you scroll on the bottom you'll see this track it search yeah so if you go over to the one that just says parcels not the uh dentin sde parcels uh the dentin sde parcels is linking out to dcad's parcels which has different information but it doesn't have our tracking info that's down here on the bottom of the parcel layer and here you can see we have the dcad info along with code enforcement reports plat as bills and a track it search which richard was mentioning which you can then select and it will show all track it uh projects and permits associated with that particular property so that's where it's part of the new software those will actually be all linked together right now we're running track it and project docs once we integrate everything into track it all of that information will be there and and the intent really is so say if it's a rezoning you'll be able to click and access that approved ordinance um through this as opposed to uh waiting having to go through open records and and uh various other requests so that way it would be available immediately and i've already seen it working on some other properties i don't know why it's not on that one but i have pulled them up and seen projects associated so there's permits that one doesn't have any projects but it's got many different cases you can see all the side info on contact speeds uh how much of everything is on the the public facing website right so this is all completely public data there's there's no city private data uh yeah what i'm viewing right here is all on the public site okay i think the only thing that's not shown um would be dme facilities some of the electric facilities um but it does show if you click on that water and wastewater layer it'll show the lines where those lines are maybe not exact location um but it will show where there's availability as well as the size of those lines well and since you brought it up at his right right of way lines and other things all of that would be there awesome uh cody uh thank you for the presentation is there any other questions um for these three maps that he walked us through this evening i do not oh commissioner beck so i mentioned this before in the matrix discussions over various meetings but um i found this very helpful and we see this bi-weekly um and so uh is there intent to do uh public outreach with a similar training yeah we talked internally already about um after after the last meeting and so uh they're working through uh public affairs as well as dtb to uh come up with a whether it's just a simple um video like this um that kind of walks everybody through so so they are that is in the works and would be available will be available oh i think you're gonna have a lot of pleased at night so that'd be awesome uh cody i don't see any other questions but i appreciate you uh walking us through these three maps yeah no problem thank you very much okay with that we can hop into uh our agenda for this evening we have uh minutes to approve uh it's item two for a regular meeting from december 2nd is there any um notes or uh changes that we can or need to make on these minutes uh seeing none we'll continue forward and i just want to let the record show before i forget that uh commissioner anderson is now with us with commissioner perneta so they're both all here now uh going to the consent agenda we have three items for the consent would anyone like any of these items pulled for review christian rebec thank you chair um yeah i if when we're having i just have some questions about uh b3b okay uh if julie's around can we uh trouble her to present 3b pp 20-0025a she's coming up now good evening let me pull up the presentation and i apologize if you could repeat which plat you are um 25a uh item 3b mockingbird and cecilia this one i'm sorry it was 220-0025a the one before this ah there okay no no that's what next one next one oh there we go yes how can i help you so um some some folks in the public had some questions about um exactly where the definitions of of right away and uh i wanted to see if you could help address that um when we talk about the 60 or 65 foot right of ways uh along mockingbird um can can you define where those are where those boundaries are uh along mockingbird along this location yes certainly on the west end of the property sure so mockingbird lane is um is a collector road within the city of denton which requires a certain um width of right of way and so they are um they are required to dedicate that right of way um consistent with the mobility plan and that um that roadway section so they are they are dedicating that right away consistent with the mobility plan and is it 65 feet from the edge of the road can can you help just describe that for the public 65 feet um would be uh the the maximum width um in in this instance i believe and so it would be a half of that from the center line of the road so 32 and a half from the center line of the road 65 feet total width and and um just to kind of further explain right of way right of way also not only includes um the uh the the travel lanes for a road it also includes the curb and gutter and then um any parkway and sidewalk all of that goes within a right of way and and is it um is it always symmetric or you could have you know 40 on one side and 60 on the other um it's always whatever width a right of way is required for the mobility plan um a a property owner would have to dedicate half of half so the center line is always in the same spot and and wherever that property line for any individual property they would have to dedicate half of whatever um or enough enough right of way to equal that half width of that total right of way so that it would always follow that same center line did i explain that so yes uh so in a in a hypothetical let's say let's say it was 65 and you were doing a 32 and whatever 37 and a half um no 30 and two and a half 32 and a half um i only work with numbers for a living um and so if let's say the existing property in the west this is just a hypothetical i'm not accusing the property in the west of this but let's say that was 20 feet from center line um therefore would be non-conforming by our current standards would the new property owners have to dedicate 45 feet from center line so there was a total of 65 or they would only be required to dedicate 32 and a half feet they would only have to dedicate um so i guess following that hypothetical um if if a hypothetical property was on the west side of a road that required a 65 total feet of right of way wherever the center line was of that road they would have to dedicate they would have to ensure that their right of way um would would um total 32 and a half feet from that center line so they wouldn't have to necessarily make up the difference on the opposite side um but they would have to ensure so if if if their property began 20 feet from that center line they would have to dedicate 12 and a half feet okay that that's very clear thank you julie you bet great uh so all the consent agenda items are actually julie's does anyone have any questions for her commissioner alice thank you chair yeah um julie i did have a question on the first one on 3a and it's just really a clarification let me that's the 2023a so my question yeah so my question is not on the plat per se okay but in the ais it read once all required corrections are made the proposed preliminary plat will conform with the sup so are there still corrections to this plat or is that old info prior to the recommendation for approval you are exactly correct so this plat you've actually seen before and it was um there was an extension approved so that that was actually a um a uh editing error on my part for this one perfect that's what i need clarified thank you you bet any other questions for julie okay let's go in the next items of business which is our list of individual items of um or items for individual consideration rather we got a lot of them um so we can just kind of get right to it um first one is item 4a pp 20-0026b and this is karina malden autos that's not karina nope there she is it's me i'm here gotcha all right looks like hayley's gonna be driving for you yeah thank you i can't see the screen but i'm gonna assume it's up already it's not uh yet getting closer yeah there it is i i'm at home so i got a lag online yeah it's up now okay uh so this request is for a preliminary plat of 100 north loop 288 addition um there are some changes on the caption then um from what was posted and now um so this part is being recommended for denial but uh some comments were addressed so the changes related to this project um the the total site area is rather than 5.97 acres it is now 19.49 um and that was to include the parent tract um that was previously excluded um uh so staff is working recommending denial um they did address several of the engineering comments um that that were posted um the items that are outstanding are related to easement dedications dry waste basing drainage calculations and tree preservation um uh so this this plat um already requested an extension at the last meeting so they no longer have that option um so uh this is currently where we stand at this point and with that i can take any questions any questions for karina back mr beck yeah karina richard can someone remind me uh on a denial where the applicant wants to continue going forward is that a reapplication fee and and what are the what are the steps um if they go to correct these items it's a it's a it's a it's a resubmittal um it's not a complete new application um it is a resubmittal and there is a resubmittal fee associated with that okay thank you is the fee flat or is it dependent on the project size it's flat i believe it's half the price of um i think it's 50 of the cost i have the fee manual right in front of me great any other questions for karina okay let's go to item 4b fp 20-0025a this is hayley's item all right good evening commissioners uh this is the final plan for the wood mirror edition uh we looked at this plan at our last meeting and they did request that extension um since that time they they still have a couple of outstanding items uh primarily related to the conservation easement um if you remember back to the zoning when council approved this part of that condition was for conservation easements to be dedicated for the benefit of the hoa um those easements are after discussion with our legal department we've determined that those will be dedicated to the city and the city will hold them for the benefit of the hoa since the hoa can't can't withhold and be the beneficiary of those easements um so those easements are going to council in the at the um meeting tomorrow actually on december 17th and if those are accepted then this plat assuming it is denied this evening would come back to you all in january for approval once all of those conditions of the zoning are met um but at this time staff is recommending denial because of that outstanding item thanks hayley is this going to require a resubmission or is the applicant asking for an extension to come back in january um they're they're not able to request a second extension under state law um so since they've already done that um it it's not necessarily a resubmittal since there's nothing for staff to review um we would place it back on the agenda in january once all the conditions are met understood thank you any questions for hayley on this item seeing none we're gonna stick with hayley for the next item for cfp 20-0027 um all right this is the final plat for the the woodlands edition um this property as you can see is located on the north side of mckinney street um this is a mobile home park some of you may remember um in 2018 uh or early 2019 came through for a zoning and sup for that manufactured housing development um at this time staff is recommending denial of the request um for all of the reasons that are outlined in exhibit two however the applicant has requested an extension to the january 6th meeting to to give them time to work through those outstanding items great any questions on this item commissioner beck this is sort of a generic because um most of these these denials are denials with the extension seem to have sort of small outstanding conditions that didn't quite get met um so this is why i asked that several meetings um i keep asking the question um are these the type of things that can be met by the date we're extending to and for many of these items uh they're they're not actually being met so i guess is there is there some way to gauge how much time it would actually take so that we don't extend it two weeks when it's going to take four weeks to do or i mean is there is there something where we're we're either the applicants are not doing or city is not doing in order to to have the date extensions be more in line with the actual amount of time it's taking does that make sense what i'm asking it does unfortunately state law only allows for that extension to be up to 30 days it can't be for more um so when we bring these to you we we calculate you know whether which pnz meetings are within that that 30-day range okay most often it's it's just the next meeting um unfortunately it's not always that full 30 days but okay well that's unfortunate thank you hailey any other questions on this item great hailey you're up with uh fr 20-17 all right this is um a replat for a portion of razor ranch this is uh known as the razor cottages that you all recently saw a site plan for um so this is a replat of of what was formerly a single lot um it will now be for 37 uh cottage homes as we looked at with that zoning compliance plan as well as um some common area lots that would include the amenity area as well as the streets which will be private and maintained by the homeowner's side of the area so we're going to look at all of those areas and we're going to look at all of those areas and we're going to look at all of those areas and we're going to look at all of those areas and we're going to look at all of those areas and we're going to look at all of those areas and we're going to look at all of those areas and we're going to look at all of those areas and we're going to look at all of those areas and we're going to look at all of those areas and we're going to look at all of those areas and we're going to look at all of those areas and we're going to look at all of those areas and we're going to look at all of those areas and we're going to look at all of plat it's more um i guess a legal question of how how we're uh i guess approving an extension are we saying to the date certain of the next meeting because i don't we don't want to say granting a 30-day extension because we're really not doing that correct correct my reading of it is we're granting the extension until the date certain of of one six correct okay all right thank you uh hailey pp 20-0028 item e back to you all right this is a preliminary plat uh for the denton extra edition number two the property is located at the corner of jim crystal and western boulevard as you can see here on the map um this this is for three industrial lots um two of them are intended to be developed with industrial uses the third is a small lot that is currently developed with the gas well and is essentially the boundaries of the approved gas well site plan for that portion of the property again staff is recommending denial at this time because it does not meet all of the established requirements as are outlined in exhibit two the applicant for this project has also requested that extension to january 6th great any questions for hailey on this item uh christner beck so as i recall one of the items and correct me hailey i think was approval of the alt isa for this region am i am i misremembering my uh i should have made better notes is that correct yes there as the plans are shown there will be a need for an alternative isa on this project um there is a portion of the property down here um and on the southern side along jim crystal where there is a stream channel that runs through um i believe it has been determined to be undeveloped floodplain as well as riparian buffer um the applicant's still working through their their site plan proposal um and as part of that staff's determining kind of what the scope of that alt isa would need to be but that would be a future need for this property before they could actually pursue that development so we would need to have that in place before so i guess this is this goes back to sort of related to my earlier question can we can we actually achieve this by january 6th if the if we have to chicken and egg this alt isa um the the alternative isa plan the code doesn't specify where that occurs in the process they they have to have that approved before they can move into any site development activity so typically um most applicants i would say at least go through the zoning compliance plan make sure they know how they want to lay out the site and what encroachments would actually be in the isa and then once they get through preliminary platting before they go to the full step of of civil engineering plans and things of that nature that are that fine grain detail and a little more expensive they would work through that alternative isa to ensure they could get the necessary approvals for the development but we don't have to have that we have to have that in place before building activities but not before approval correct so the the preliminary plat typically just contains a note saying an alternative isa is is required and if they don't get that then then they're subject to possibly having to redo the preliminary plat okay that clarifies it thank you so much any other questions on this item all right hayley we got one more fpp 20-0029 for you all right so this is a preliminary plat that is for the woodlands on mckinney street edition if you remember the the plat we previously looked at was for the manufactured home development that would be just to the to the west of this property as part of that zoning and sup some of you may recall there were were there was a requirement for six one acre lots to be developed along trinity for single-family detached homes so this plat is is for that portion of the property these would be those one acre single-family detached homes along trinity at this time again staff is recommending denial due to the reasons outlined in exhibit two however the applicant has again requested that extension to january 6th any questions for hayley on this item okay seeing none i will invite julie for presentation for item g pp 20-0030 good evening let me share my screen so this one um actually uh friday late this is uh there we go okay so um this property is located just adjacent to university near fulton street on the south side of university they are proposing to develop it with a retail use which is consistent with the zoning um up until late friday it it um they hadn't addressed all the comments but we do try to work with the applicant to get comments addressed before the planning and zoning commission so they have addressed staff's comments and we do recommend approval of the request and i'll be happy to answer any questions great thanks julie any questions i do not see any thank you for the presentation i think the last three we're gonna have mr ron manguida uh carry us home it's starting with item hfr 20-0016a yes good evening can can y'all hear me we can awesome uh the first item that you're looking at hopefully uh haley julie has it up on the screen it's for a final reply for a 64 lot residential subdivision phase 1a of the eagle creek residential development staff is recommending approval of this request um as of this afternoon they were able to address the comment that was outstanding so again staff's recommending approval and i'll stand for any questions any questions for ron on this item commissioner alice thank you chair i guess just ron did anything change from what was submitted in our backup no uh the comment that was outstanding was their uh hoa documents uh that was something i was pending so as far as the plat itself uh nothing has changed it was just confirming that the hoa documents were up to the uh uh requirements that we we we have in the design code okay fantastic thank you christian rebec and and i assume ron that you've been in touch with um kimley horn and the uh and the applicant group through the since the last meeting when we extended this or have you not been in touch with me they have no we we have okay thank you yes any other questions for ron this item seeing none we'll go to item i fr 20-0019 continue with ron yes uh this is uh another phase of the eagle creek uh residential subdivision it is phase 2a and this consists of 91 residential single-family lots as well as hoa lots part of this phase similar to the first item or the item that i discussed earlier the comments that were pending when the packets were sent out have been addressed and again as of this afternoon the staff is recommending approval of this request and i'll stand for any questions i do not see any questions on this item uh next we have item 4j pp 20-0027 all right this is the at the last of the items um for individual for consideration this is a preliminary plaque for a development a multi-family development uh hopefully you'll remember this site this is um a site that received a specific use permit uh to build approximately 149 dwelling units again this is just the preliminary plaque now staff is recommending denial of this preliminary plan primarily because of the section of the code that have not been complied with by the applicant section 39a of the criteria manual table 7b of the development code as well as section 753 in regards to general drainage requirements of development code are still pending comments however the applicant has submitted a extension for the plumber plot and staff does not have any opposition to the 30-day extension and ron uh it's not detailed in the agenda we're on the slide but we'd be looking at the january 6th because of the 30-day cap yes yes sir uh it's similar to the other um on plat applications they would be to a date certain of january 6th okay perfect any commissioner beck so this is germaine to the question that jerry thank you chair uh to the chip that the chair just put up is is this uh some of these delays uh or some of these lack of synchronicity between the applicants and and planning with a 30 with 30 shot clock is that is that some of that based on our bimonthly schedule would we alleviate um some of the disconnect if we had a uh two-week schedule and and still be um uh i mean effectively a bimonthly is a two-week but there's a little bit of fudge there and and would we would we be able to be more in sync with the 30-day shot clock and the extensions needed if we went to a every two-week schedule would that help or or it's not going to make any difference i think that um we already have a bimonthly meeting a schedule for png um i don't think it will i think there's some months will work and others just happen to have an extra week in those situations those those do help but i i don't think increasing the number of meetings would change it i think there are certain months that work in certain months that do not okay well i was just trying to think of a way where instead of a you know you can you could get a little finer alignment with some of these extensions but if it's not going to help yeah uh christopher back i'm looking at january if we went to every other um week we still couldn't get to the 20th um to that meeting date because of it being the 16th today but yeah on the january 20 meeting we actually can push two meetings out uh we would actually be able to realize you know 27 days and two different meetings so anything like delayed on january 20th could be pushed all the way to february 17th um so i think to to ron's point it's just a matter of how the calendar falls okay yeah this is it was just a you know being tied to the bi-monthly thing i was wondering if that wasn't constraining us unnecessarily but i mean if it's six of one half dozen of the other then then okay i think the only solution that uh because sir beck's proposing is we meet weekly um and so no as the term limited chair i'm all ford guys i'll support that for y'all for your legislature to change the bill coming sessions uh with that uh that concludes our agenda for this evening uh so the work session i will close at 5 54 uh we'll meet back here in this zoom account at 6 30 for the regular meeting thank you good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the regular meeting for planning and zoning commission for wednesday december 16th 2020 seeing that we have a quorum i will call this meeting to order at 6 31 the first item on the agenda is to provide a pledge of allegiance to the us and texas flag uh if the commissioners want to join me you can unmute yourself i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all honor the texas flag i pledge allegiance to the texas one state under god one and indivisible excited businesses to consider approval for the plane and zoning minutes from december 2nd commissioner smith make a motion to approve you got a first commissioner alice second we have a first and a second for approval any discussion seeing none i'll call for a vote via roll call uh start with commissioner beck aye commissioner alice aye commissioner cole aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner pernetta aye commissioner smith why chairs also an aye motion carries seven zero the next item is our consent agenda there's three items three a b and c here i'll entertain a motion commissioner alice i move approval we have a first for approval commissioner smith we have first and second for approval any discussion on these items seeing nine i'll call for a vote via roll call commissioner beck aye commissioner alice aye commissioner cole aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner pernetta aye commissioner smith aye motion carries seven zero the next item of business is the individual items for consideration we'll start with 4a pp 20-0026b and i'll invite kareena maldenato for presentation good evening kareena maldenato assistant planner um the request before you is for pp-0026 this is a preliminary plat of the 100 north loop 288 edition for approximately 19.49 acres for six commercial lots located on the east side of loop 288 staff is recommending denial of this request as they still have not addressed a few engineering comments related to easement dedications uh driveway spacing drainage calculations and tree preservation um the applicant has already used their 30-day extension request and so um for this reason staff is recommending denial and i can answer any questions you have and i believe the applicant is also on the call great any questions for kareena or the applicant on this item charles certainly entertaining discussion or emotion commissioner smith making a motion to deny we have a first commissioner pernetta a second we have a first and a second any discussion we have first and a second for uh denial an aye vote and favor would be to to deny just as a reminder we'll take a vote via roll call beginning with commissioner beck aye commissioner ellis aye commissioner cole aye commissioner anderson aye christian pernetta aye commissioner smith aye chair is also an aye motion carries seven zero next item of business is item 4b fp 20-0025 i'll invite hayley zagorski for presentation good evening this is item fp 20-25 this is the final plan for the woodmere edition the property as you can see on the map is located on the north side of ryan road at this time staff is recommending denial of the plat they have already utilized their one opportunity for extension and there is still an outstanding comment regarding conservation easements that are required to be accepted by the city so staff is recommending denial for all the reasons that are discussed in exhibit two i'm happy to stand for any questions is there any questions for hayley on this item christian or beck no i i don't have questions i was going to make a motion go for it i make a motion to deny on the grounds that staff uh represented thank you i mean for the reason staff specified great christian or cole second we have a first and a second for denial any discussion seeing none i call for a vote via roll call commissioner beck aye commissioner alice aye commissioner cole aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner pernetta aye commissioner smith aye chair is also an aye motion carries uh seven zero next item of business is also hayley with fp 20-0027 all right good evening this is the final plat for the woodlands edition the property is located on the north side of mckinney and the east side of trinity road at this time staff is recommending denial as the plat does not meet all of the established requirements as outlined in exhibit two however the applicant has requested extension to january 6th and staff has no objections to this we'll stand for any questions is there any questions for hayley on this item commissioner anderson i'll make a motion to approve uh to the extension to date certain of january 6th great we have a first commissioner pernetta i'll second we have a first and a second for the approval of the extension of 30-day request to a date certain of january 6th 2021 any discussion seeing none i'll call for a vote via roll call commissioner beck aye commissioner ellis aye commissioner cole aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner pernetta aye commissioner smith aye chair is also an aye motion carries seven zero next item is item dfr 20-11 uh no 0017 this is also hayley's item all right good evening this is a final replant for the razor cottages edition the property is located on the west side of bonnie ray between linden and crescent streets at this time staff is recommending denial as it does not meet all of the established requirements outlined in exhibit two and again the applicant has requested an extension to january 6th and staff has no objections to that request great thank you any questions for hayley on this item sure entertain any discussion or motion commissioner beck i make a motion to extend to january 6 2021 we have a first commissioner smith yeah we have first and a second to approve the applicant's request for a 30-day extension to the date certain of january 6 2021 any discussion seeing none i'll call for a vote via roll call commissioner beck aye commissioner ellis aye commissioner cole aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner pernetta aye commissioner smith aye chair is also an aye motion carries seven zero next item is also hayley's with item e pp 20-28 good evening this is the final plant for the denton exeter edition number two this is a platform for three industrial lots staff is recommending denial of this request as it does not meet the established requirements that are outlined in exhibit two of your backup again the applicant has requested that extension would be to a date certain of january 6th and staff has no objections to that great any questions for hayley seeing none we can take more discussion or a motion commissioner smith i make a motion to uh sorry what should uh sorry go ahead i'll pass my motion commissioner alice i make a motion to approve the applicant's extension to date certain of january 6th great we have a first commissioner anderson uh second the motion we have first and second to approve the applicant's request for an extension of 30 days uh to date certain of january 6th any discussion seeing none i'll call for a vote via roll call commissioner beck aye commissioner alice aye commissioner cole aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner pernetta aye commissioner smith aye chair is also an aye motion carries seven zero next item is also hayley's it's item 4 fpp 20-0029 all right good evening again this is a preliminary plat request for the woodlands on mckinney street edition the plat is for six uh one acre residential lots located on the west side of trinity road um again staff is recommending denial as it does not yet meet all of the established requirements that are outlined in exhibit 2 of your backup again the applicant has requested that extension to january 6 of 2021 i will stand for any questions thanks hayley any questions okay chair will entertain a motion or discussion commissioner smith let's try it again i'll take them make a motion to approve the extension to date certain of january 6 awesome we have a first on the table commissioner ellis second we have first and a second for uh an approval of the applicant's request of 30 days to date certain of january 6th is there any discussion on this item scene nine i'll call for a vote via roll call starting with commissioner beck aye commissioner ellis aye commissioner cole aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner pernetta aye commissioner smith aye chairs also an aye motion carries seven zero the next item is item 4g pp 20-0030 and this is julie wyatt's uh item good evening let me share my screen this preliminary plat before you is to facilitate the development of a retail use along university drive um uh it does meet all of the established requirements and therefore staff recommends approval of this preliminary plat and i'll be happy to answer any questions thanks julie is there any questions for julie on this item seeing none the chair will entertain a motion christopher seeing none the chair will entertain a motion christopher anderson i motion to approve we have a first for approval commissioner pernetta i'll second we have a first and a second for approval any discussion scene nine i'll call for a uh vote via roll call commissioner beck aye commissioner ellis aye commissioner cole aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner pernetta um getting a thumbs up and support commissioner pernetta is an aye there you go commissioner smith aye chair is also an aye uh motion carries seven zero next item is item 4h this item is ron venguidas uh it's fr 20-0016 i believe ron is calling in for this item yes good evening everyone um this particular plat application is for a final replat for a phase 1a for of the eagle creek residential subdivision um staff has reviewed this application and is recommending approval as it meets the established approval criteria for final replats as outlined in the den development code i'll stand for any questions great thanks ron um we actually have an individual who has elected to call in and provide his perspective or her perspective on this matter so what i'd like to do is ask staff to bring the caller on uh good evening you are with the planning zoning commission uh appreciate you calling in if you just state your name and your address you'll have four minutes to speak hi this is eric pruett 21 11 21 11 westwood drive um so i understand this is a plat and and you should approve it in my opinion it's i'm not against the plat um but it is in my backyard uh metaphorically less than a quarter mile away and i i wanted to express a couple things that i see on how these subdivisions are being laid out uh given the constraints of our development code i see that uh if you look at it where highland park and parvin street kind of intersect those are both designated collector streets um or collector roadways on the mobility plan and uh what i see is that the the residential lots are pushed away from those streets and the the buffer if you will between the street and the lots is used as open space uh to to satisfy the open space requirements um i i don't really see a lot of you know six and ten year olds being told to go play right next to the street like that um i think when you have wide areas next to the street like that that that looks really open it tends to encourage more speeding which we're seeing in a lot of our neighborhoods um and and it also tends to uh not um capitalize on the the infrastructure that we have there with those collector roadways you know in many of our neighborhoods we do have uh small businesses you know not large things but small businesses on collector roadways and uh and what we have here is an area that is zoned r4 um in a very large swath and so it's easier for uh developers to just come in and say okay we will build what's permitted in r4 and they they don't want to come in and request uh small zoning changes for small lots that they want to plat because it's a lot of trouble and it's not a lot of benefit to them uh monetarily but it could be a a large benefit to the communities involved if they have some small shops within their community so so those are my thoughts i hope that you'll consider them uh not necessarily as as you vote for this or against it but as you look toward how dentin is developing in the future i appreciate you calling in mr prude we have a question for you commissioner beck yeah thank you chair um mr prude so what would you what would your approach be how would you like to see future items like this remedied well i i guess i wonder i don't have the experience uh or the knowledge to know what would be effective but i wonder what an effective method would be to uh let developers know that even though they have a parcel that's zoned all residential that uh if it is the will of the council and the commission to uh to allow some neighborhood retail maybe zone a few parcels r7 so that they can go toward that in the future uh that that's something the city would like to see and you know there's no guarantee that uh that that it would start happening but at least you could offer it up front um and and see where it goes from there so would you like to see hypothetically um a fringe included with every designation something like a a buffer or girdle where it was say r4 r7 on the edge and r4 on the interior i think that's highly context sensitive right to the area sometimes it might make sense to have it on the edge sometimes it might make sense to have a little neighborhood center um with you know a flower shop and a cafe and and a coffee shop or something right it really just depends on the area so i don't think there's a one-size-fits-all solution thank you any other questions for mr prudet i don't see any but i appreciate you hanging on with us tonight and calling in thank you very much thank you was there any other discussion or a motion to be had on this item commissioner alice we have a first for approval commissioner cole perfect we have a first and a second for approval any discussion on the item seeing none i'll call for a vote via roll call starting with commissioner beck aye commissioner alice aye commissioner cole aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner prunetta aye commissioner smith aye chair is also an aye motion carries seven zero the next item is for ifr 20-0019 this is also ron's item take the floor when you're ready yes um again good evening this is a final replied application for a property in the same vicinity it is phase 2a of the eagle creek residential subdivision it is proposed for 92 lots single family residential and as staffs recommending approval as it meets the criteria for final replats outlined in the dentin development code i'll stand for any questions any questions for ron commissioner beck sorry i was in the wrong window uh thank you chair so wait um this i think i've gotten my items confused this this now meets approval is is is that the one you is that what you're saying yes um as of this afternoon i know your backup says it's recommendation for denial however as of this afternoon the applicant was able to address the comment that was the remaining outstanding comment for this final reflect okay thank you ron any other questions for ron all right seeing none chair will entertain any discussion or a motion commissioner smith about your new proof we have first for approval commissioner anderson uh second the motion we have a first and a second for approval any discussion seeing none i call for a vote via roll call starting with commissioner beck aye commissioner ellis aye commissioner cole aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner prunetta aye commissioner smith aye chair is also an aye motion carries seven zero the last item for individual considerations is item 4j pp 20-0027 and ron will be presenting this one thank you chair this is a preliminary application for property located southwest of mingo and mockingbird for for you all you probably remember this particular site this site received a specific use permit to allow for a multifamily development the plenary plat is the next step in the development process through the review of this plenary plat staff is recommending denial as it does not currently meet the criteria for plenary plat for approvals as specifically section 3.9a as well as table 7b and section 753 of the intensive development code however staff has no opposition of their request to extend the 30-day extension to a date certain of january 6 and i'll stand for any questions great thank you any questions for ron seeing none charlotte entertain the motion the discussion commissioner ellis approval of the applicant's request for an extension to a date certain of january 6th great we have a first commissioner beck i'll second that we have first and a second for approval of the applicant's request for 30 days extension which pushes it to the date certain of january 6th any discussion seeing none i'll call for a vote via roll call starting with commissioner beck aye commissioner ellis aye commissioner cole aye commissioner anderson aye commissioner pernetta aye commissioner smith aye chair is also an aye motion carries seven zero that concludes our working agenda for this evening the concluding item is the planning zoning commission project matrix as always i'll turn it over to richard for any updates and it's the day is for discussion sure thank you um just briefly i really have no updates on um on the matrix or the council action we just haven't had any although i didn't hit my goal of not having any items the last meeting in january i'm sorry the last meeting in december on the matrix but we have a couple carryover items so i'm trying to get those whittled down we will be back in january with at our second meeting regarding the alt isa and then once um our dcrc gets um some new members and get that reconstituted we'll be back uh we'll talk about the other items that that are on that list but that's all of happy holidays and happy new year awesome thanks richard any items that anyone wants to slap on the matrix commissioner beck no i just have a follow-up question on uh for richard on the uh dcrc uh do you have an eta for how long now that we've uh got new council members it will take to reconstitute the dcrc there's an item being uh prepared for january meeting um with respect to appointments for boards council has a meeting where they have discussed all appointments for boards council committees um and so at that point in time that would that ordinance would be brought up to be amended um to uh to nominate those those individuals that went off all right thank you commissioner ellis thank you chair first of all richard i think you've done a great job whittling down the matrix because i thank you certainly certainly long when you when you began um one thing i'd like to add either to it maybe it needs a work session anyway we always have a lot of questions it seems regarding fees and when they're imposed when they're not what they are is can we have maybe a bit of a discussion on that just kind of you know high level overview of that absolutely what i'll have um i'll have charlie rosenthal who i think you've you've met before i'll have him um come and give a presentation an overview of how our fee structure works um including the matrix study that we did that that really looked at um you know that it paid for itself essentially development pay for itself and and those fees be paid um through what the actual time that staff takes to review it and so i'll have him give that overview um how that works i don't know if we'll get too far into the impact fee but at least give a little bit a bit of a discussion in when and how that's assessed um obviously those are being being looked at now um but but we'll include that through both the planning and zoning stage um all the way through building building permits just to give a snapshot yeah that'd be great thank you um and happy holidays to everybody too uh commissioner cole you have something or you just waving at commissioner alice just waving he says just waving just waving um uh commissioner smith you waving or you have something i actually have something uh what richard what's the latest update on the um the fiscal impact analysis rfp those so now uh we have an agenda item uh tomorrow um for uh to enter into a contract with uh ae com for that um to complete that to complete that study and then build build that model that would be used so that's on on consent on tomorrow's uh tomorrow's council agenda what's the uh what's the rough timeline for when that would come forward you think or how long you think that'll take i want to say we had about six six months lead time all the way you know from from start start to finish um i mean there's there's going to be some testing that they'll have to do and one thing we liked is that you know it's not that they're pulling a canned model that they have so it'll take some time to build it um specific to denton um but their overall timeline i think was about six months okay and then um if uh let's say it's six months let's just call it you know january to through june and we'll give it till july 1st if it was saying everything's done it's good to go july 1st uh projects would be subject to that based on when they're submitted or be projects are um or they they have to go through that model based off of what stage of the process they're on uh that's kind of an arbitrary question but yeah we would probably look at all all projects um there is there is that um review criteria um but again it's it's and i think it's important for everyone to understand it it's not it's not just the only criteria and so if if it shows that it it's going to be negative i don't know that that's necessarily a reason to deny a project um if it's you know if you look at a an affordable housing project that might be um a non-profit that's developing it obviously there would be no tax generated by that um and so i don't think that's a reason to deny it obviously it's providing um you know a valuable a valuable um asset for the city for on the affordability side and so i think it's just one of those it's again it's one of many criteria that we have um but at least i think we'll have a better tool to look at it both um on the short term and long term okay what's 659 so i'll stop talking that i got i got several minutes in me actually i got i got many things to add uh to this matrix uh let me let me pull out my notes here uh is there anything else to add to the matrix well i just want to say uh 2020 was one hell of a year uh and i appreciate city staff uh doing an incredible job getting us on zoom and preparing us and helping me out uh here in this office and actually making the city continue to run smooth so uh great job to the city and to the commissioners for for seeing this year through hopefully 2021 is more normal uh but Merry Christmas everyone uh with that i will close the meeting at seven o'clock Merry Christmas thanks Merry Christmas everybody