WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:09.000 Thank you. 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Good afternoon. Welcome everybody. This is our regularly scheduled. 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:17.000 Meeting of the historic landmark commission. 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:19.000 First thing I'll notice that we do have a quorum present. 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:23.000 So we are good to open the meeting. 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:26.000 Let's start the meeting with the pledge of allegiance. 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:27.000 If we can all join in. 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:31.000 I pledge allegiance to the United States of America. 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:32.000 And to the Republic. 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:34.000 For which it stands. 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:36.000 One nation. 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:38.000 Under God. 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:40.000 Indivisible. 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:44.000 With liberty and justice for all. 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:47.000 And now the Texas pledge. 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:53.000 Honor the Texas flag. 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:56.000 I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state under God, 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:58.000 for which it stands. 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:00.000 I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state under God, 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:02.000 for which it stands. 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:04.000 With a little housekeeping here. 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:05.000 Roy. 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:07.000 Mary. 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:11.000 We have Evan. 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:14.000 Is Angie here yet? No, not yet. Okay. 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:16.000 Now. 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:18.000 Okay. 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:20.000 Noted the quorum. Okay. 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:23.000 There's going to be a slight change in our agenda. 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:27.000 We're going to move item D. 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:32.000 Which is a report on. 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:36.000 The five G historic district poll options to the very end. 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:37.000 Are there any. 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:39.000 Discussion about that. 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:45.000 Otherwise we'll consider it done. 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:48.000 Hearing none. I think we have actually. 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:50.000 Five things on our agenda. 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:54.000 Item two. 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:57.000 Item two is to consider, 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:02.000 which is HLC 20 dash zero four eight. 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:10.000 Consider the approval of the September 21st, 2020 minutes. 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:12.000 I think those were all attached to our version. 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:13.000 So I need a motion to. 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:19.000 Carry that forward. 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:20.000 Okay. 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.000 Thank you. 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:25.000 And then we have a motion to approve the approval of the minutes. 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:26.000 Has been submitted. 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:28.000 I second the approval of the minutes. 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:29.000 Okay. 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:31.000 Cassandra. Thank you, Evan. Thank you. 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:37.000 We have a motion to second any corrections or discussion. 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:38.000 Hearing none. 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:41.000 Let me call the role. 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:43.000 Yay for Roy. 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:44.000 Mary. 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:46.000 Yes. 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:47.000 Janelle. 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:49.000 Okay. 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:50.000 Now, Evan. 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:56.000 Present. 00:02:56.000 --> 00:03:01.000 Okay. Is that a yay or an A or an abstention? 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:03.000 On the approval of minutes, you have to. 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:04.000 Vote yes for the minutes. 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:06.000 Or no. 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:07.000 Oh, okay. Yeah. 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:08.000 A for the role. 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:09.000 Okay. 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:11.000 Angie. 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:14.000 It's not here. 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.000 Melody is here somewhere. No. 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:17.000 Melody is not here. 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:19.000 Cassandra. 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:21.000 Yay. 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:24.000 Okay. So we have. 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:25.000 I think. 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:32.000 One, two, three, five eyes and no nays. So the minutes are approved. 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:38.000 Thank you. 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.000 Chair, I think, did you, did you include melody in that? 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:45.000 Yay. 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:50.000 Okay. 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:52.000 I count six years. Okay. Okay. Yes. 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:58.000 Got it. All right. 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:06.000 The second item on our agenda is. 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:10.000 To consider approval of the 2021 historic landmark commission meeting 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:11.000 calendar for next year. 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:14.000 This came up, I think last month, and we all went through this. 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.000 And I think it's going to be. 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:18.000 It's a housekeeping type. 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:26.000 Motion. Why don't I just open it up for discussion? 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:27.000 You know, do you, 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:29.000 does everyone here have their version of the calendar? 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:34.000 I'll read off the dates. 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.000 I've got on the screen. If you want, if you, if you want to read it, 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:39.000 you can read as well, but I also have it on the screen. 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:41.000 Kind of hard to see, however, but. 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:44.000 Okay. 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:48.000 Typical. 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:50.000 Except for April, I believe we moved that up to the fifth. 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.000 Right. We moved it up one, 00:04:52.000 --> 00:05:00.000 just because it wouldn't be on our tax deadline. So. 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:01.000 Okay. Hearing no discussion. 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:04.000 I need a motion to approve the calendar and then we'll vote on that. 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:06.000 A motion to approve the calendar. 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:08.000 Do we have a second? 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:12.000 No discussion. 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:18.000 Motion and a second. Any further discussion? 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:20.000 Hearing none. 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:22.000 Mary, your vote. 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:24.000 Hi. 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.000 Janelle. 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:33.000 Lenny is out. Evan. 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:41.000 Melody. 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:42.000 Melody. 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.000 Hi. 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.000 Katie is out and Cassandra. 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:50.000 Hi. 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:52.000 And I'll switch up the order of these and a Roy votes. Yes. 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:56.000 So we have one, two, three, four, six. 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:58.000 Yay. Zero nays motion passes. 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:00.000 That will be our calendar for next year. 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:15.000 Okay. 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:19.000 Okay. The next thing on our agenda. Item C C O a dash 20 dash. 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:26.000 Oh, one six. 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.000 Is the whole to public meeting and consider an application for 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:35.000 redevelopment. 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:38.000 To repaint a building located at eight 15 North Locust, 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:39.000 which is a designated local. 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:44.000 Historic landmark. 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:47.000 The site is located on the west side of Locust street between Ferguson 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:49.000 and Pauline street. 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:52.000 I think Ron is our presenter. So I'll turn it over to you. 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:53.000 Thank you, chair. 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:55.000 I'm going to go ahead and share my screen. 00:06:55.000 --> 00:07:05.000 Okay. 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:08.000 So again, as mentioned, this is for a COA. 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:09.000 To consider a C. 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:14.000 A repainting. 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:17.000 Project for property located at eight 15 North Locust. 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:20.000 Locust street that is, and you can see from the. 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:23.000 Image here that it's in this area here. That's shown in purple. 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:26.000 On the left. 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:32.000 On again, Locust street. 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:36.000 The subject property or subject home as you see here is the, 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:37.000 a home that's been there. 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:40.000 And for some time that's it's considered a Southern Victorian. 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:43.000 Architecture. It's a local historic landmark. 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:48.000 It was designated back in 1998. 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:52.000 And it's known as the Brown low house, according to our list. 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:59.000 The entire structure. 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:02.000 My understanding is that the applicant has, 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:06.000 or has acquired a property where the interior has been redone. 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:12.000 And they're wanting to re. 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:13.000 Rehab the exterior as well. 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:17.000 So that's part of their proposal is to repaint the entire structure. 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.000 They do provide the color palette that you see here. 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:22.000 And they're also providing some examples of. 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:26.000 How the roof trim as well as any accent. 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:36.000 For the subject project. 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:40.000 The applicant submitted some examples to illustrate what their intent is, 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:43.000 is to enhance the architectural Victorian. 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:47.000 Style of the home by providing the more muted or more. 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:51.000 Controversial style of the home. 00:08:51.000 --> 00:09:00.000 What the Victorian home would look like. 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:03.000 Staff did analyze the subject application as you know, 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:10.000 the applicant is trying to rehab the existing home. 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:12.000 It is a historic landmark designation. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:15.000 So it does need to follow a standard. 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:21.000 And it does not have to be. 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:25.000 This in particular was more of a rehabilitation of the structure. 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:26.000 So in your backup, 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:30.000 I provided some standards that relate to the work in, 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:31.000 in staff's analysis. 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:35.000 It does meet the requirements and the standards and therefore staff is 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.000 recommending approval for the subject site. 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:41.000 To be repainted as presented. 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:44.000 For the property located at eight 15, North Locust street. 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:45.000 So that's the plan. 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:46.000 That's the plan. 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:47.000 Thank you. 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:48.000 That's it. 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:49.000 Thank you. 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:50.000 That's it. 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:51.000 Thank you. 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:53.000 I understand for any questions. 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:56.000 My understanding is the applicant may or may not be on the call, 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:57.000 but hopefully she is. 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:01.000 She, she was very excited. 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.000 And there they are about the project. 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.000 And if you have any questions for them, 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:08.000 or if you would like for them to talk about what they're planning to do, 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:12.000 I certainly that's, that's an option for the commission. 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:19.000 And if you have any questions, feel free to go ahead. 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:21.000 So I never knew that was Southern Victorian. 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:23.000 It certainly kind of looks like a strange. 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:30.000 Tutor style of sorts. 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:39.000 It's actually more of a queen and Victorian. 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:43.000 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:44.000 I'm sorry. 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:45.000 I'm sorry. 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:46.000 I'm sorry. 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:47.000 I'm sorry. 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:49.000 It's for preservation and standards for rehabilitation. 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:51.000 And I, which one did you say this? 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:54.000 You'd sent that out. I was looking at the hood. She'd sent out. 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.000 There's preservation rehabilitation and restoration. 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:57.000 And you said which one you were. 00:10:57.000 --> 00:10:58.000 Rehabilitation. 00:10:58.000 --> 00:10:59.000 Okay. 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:03.000 Thank you. 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:04.000 I think all of them can apply, 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:06.000 but that one was more specific to what the applicants were trying or 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:07.000 are trying to do. 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:08.000 Okay. 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:16.000 Thank you. 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:18.000 This does a point of clarification. 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:27.000 These are designated historic standard colors. 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:30.000 So the colors that we've chosen are not listed in the exterior 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:34.000 historic colors, but they are, they have a lot of similarities to those. 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:38.000 We are looking at. 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:39.000 The design for the place. 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:46.000 She is an interior designer and been doing this for over 30 years. 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:49.000 And so we were looking in comparison to the houses that are surrounding 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:50.000 us. 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:57.000 With Giuseppe's restaurant to one side. 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:00.000 And another property on our left that are both the color palettes of 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:03.000 the hour, which is kind of like a deeper gray or blue gray. 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:15.000 And so. 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:18.000 So some of the historic colors tend to have a little bit more yellow in 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:19.000 the neutral tones. 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:22.000 And so these are very comparable to those just without that. 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:23.000 Yellow undertone. 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:28.000 When it comes to the body of the house. 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:30.000 I'm very familiar with the houses you speak of. 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:32.000 I've stayed in the one you're going to paint my next door neighbor. 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:34.000 I'm not sure that is a color except for patchwork white. 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:36.000 The last time I saw it. 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:39.000 So I'm not sure that worrying about matching those colors is of any 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.000 interest whatsoever since they desperately need a paint job. 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:45.000 Yours looks great compared to their paint job. 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:49.000 So I guess I'm back again as to why. 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:52.000 You're just saying that because it's a little touch warmer. 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:54.000 You want a less warm color is what you want. 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:56.000 When it comes to the body of the home. 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:03.000 Yes, we were not going for the golden yet, the golden neutrals that tend to be in historic color palette. 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:11.000 We wanted something that was a little bit softer than those colors. 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:15.000 Okay. Are there any other questions for Ron or for our property owners? 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:16.000 Well, I have a question for Ron. 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:20.000 I mean, if the historic committee, I mean, I'm all for painting the house. 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.000 God knows I live in one that's old enough. 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:27.000 That if you're changing the color, you had to change them to historic colors to meet the guidelines put forward. 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:36.000 So Ron, if you would explain to me how these colors meet the standard since I would be up against the same thing if I painted my house. 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:40.000 I can use the exact same color or I have to use a historic palette. 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.000 So I want to know how this qualifies. 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:45.000 So, you know, one of the things, obviously, it's not any historic district. 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:47.000 It's actually a historic landmark. 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:50.000 So as far as the development code, there's really not much we can go by. 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:57.000 We fall back to the Secretary of Interior's standards. 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:04.000 And I looked at the requirements and as mentioned earlier in the backup, I included some of what those standards are. 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:07.000 There was really nothing specific to color. 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:11.000 I know that we mentioned in our code that they have to be historic colors. 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:14.000 But those are for the historic districts. 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:17.000 We have to rely on the Secretary of Interior's. 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:20.000 Now, how we interpret that, that can be a little bit different. 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:21.000 It's not really clear. 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:31.000 They don't really give us any direction as far as types of color, but just have to match the architectural style of the home. 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:34.000 And this is a local landmark as opposed to a national? 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:41.000 This is a local correct landmark only, yes. 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:45.000 OK, any other questions? 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:49.000 OK, so here are our options as a commission. 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:53.000 We we can approve as submitted. 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:58.000 We can approve subject to conditions we can deny or continue. 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:02.000 Any of those would take a motion and a second for discussion. 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:06.000 Do I have a motion? 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:11.000 I move that we accept the color palette as submitted. 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:15.000 Melody Melody has made the motion. 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.000 I second. This is Evan. 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:30.000 OK, we have a motion and a second, so I will throw it out for discussion. 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:41.000 I think they've chosen pleasant colors. I think it's it and like the examples that they show, it's it's nothing outrageous or. 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:44.000 Yeah, I agree. It's nothing outrageous. 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:46.000 Yeah, as you show, we're very nice. 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:52.000 And what did you put in one bright red color so that it made those very dull flat colors look better? 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:55.000 The Christmas trees, the other one had this great house lit up at dusk. 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:58.000 So, again, you brought the warmth out from the interior light. 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:04.000 And in fact, that's what's missing from the color is the work. 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:15.000 I'm just saying that that's that's what comes across, that there was a reason that the historic colors are highly recommended, even though it's not part of the historic district. 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:22.000 And it's not has nothing to do with pleasant. I mean, I don't care if it's purple, if it's historic, that's not the gauging light. 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:37.000 I mean, I don't want to tell people what color to paint their house. I'm just saying if you want to have a historic landmark, you ought to at least try to to match what the suggestions are for them. 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:42.000 OK, any other discussion. 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:52.000 Wow, we're silent much today. All right, well, let's roll through. We'll call it for a vote. We'll start with Cassandra this time. 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:56.000 Katie is out Melody. 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:59.000 Evan. 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:02.000 Janelle. 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.000 Mary. 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:17.000 Hey, and Roy is yay. So we have one, two, three, four, five, four, one against the motion passes. Thank you very much. 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:25.000 Chair, before we move on just wanted to enter for the record that we don't have any online comments nor any callers for this item. 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:34.000 Okay, well thank the owners for being here, and it's going to be a beautiful home we look forward to seeing it finished you have any idea when you'll finish it. 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:49.000 Um, our thank you first of all for having us and and looking through this for us this is new to us having the historical landmark, and it should be painted by a month from now so December 5 is when we should be wrapping up. 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:54.000 Wow, I'm excited. Thank you very much for joining us. 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:56.000 Thank you. 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:58.000 Okay, you're welcome. 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:22.000 We're going to move item E ahead of item D, as we mentioned earlier, item E is co a 20 dash oh oh one eight hold a public meeting and consider a certificate of appropriateness in accordance with 2.9 point to the didn't development code to replace exterior windows at 1823 Belle Avenue. 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:30.000 Within the Belle Avenue historic district. The site is located on the southwest corner of Belle Avenue and Woodland Street. 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:34.000 And I believe, Ron is our presenter on that one. 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:37.000 Yes, thank you. 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:42.000 Share my screen real quick. 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:52.000 So as mentioned in the introduction, this is for a COA located at 1823 North Bell. 00:18:52.000 --> 00:19:00.000 This is one of our first COA that I know of, since I've been staff liaison as far as the Bell Avenue historic district. 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:04.000 This particular property of course is located in this district. 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:14.000 Right there located on the corner of Woodland Street in Belle Avenue, just on the southwest corner of that intersection. 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:28.000 The view of the home. That's the front view that is, as you see here from Belle Avenue is described as a mid century ranch type architecture, and it was constructed in 1951. 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:36.000 This is a view of the site or the subject home located at Woodland Street. 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:44.000 And I just wanted to show that this particular viewpoint because of the windows and how they're mainly located on this side. 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:51.000 Now there are also a number of windows on the other side of the home, but it was very difficult to see from a street view. 00:19:51.000 --> 00:20:02.000 But again, the proposal and the request is to replace the exterior windows, a total of 12 exterior windows. 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:11.000 They are described as aluminum frame windows, and they will be replaced with aluminum clad windows for the project. 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:17.000 There are a total of five that are currently side by side. 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:22.000 They will be replaced with five double side sliders. 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:32.000 And there is one that is a solo single hung window, and that will be replaced by a fixed casement. 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:41.000 And then the remaining six sliders will be replaced by five sliders, similar in the sizes and also a encased window. 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:54.000 The window openings themselves and exterior material will not change. They will just simply be used and replace the window itself in those areas that you see here on the screen. 00:20:54.000 --> 00:21:11.000 As you can see, the majority of them are the sides of the building on woodland, as well as the property to the south. From that vantage point, there is one window located in the front along Della Avenue. 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:23.000 These are just some submitted example of what the applicant has proposed. I will probably need to confirm with the applicant, but again, this is an example of what is being proposed. 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:32.000 It was included in the backup or the application that they submitted and included in your backup for you all to look and review. 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:38.000 They also submitted this as part of their submittal as well. 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:53.000 Understanding that this is part of the Della Avenue Historic District, the staff did look at the architectural standards requirements for that district and in particular windows that is covered under that section of the code. 00:21:53.000 --> 00:22:10.000 As you can see here, I'm just going to read it for the record. Window openings should not be altered to accommodate replacement windows. Blocking down or blocking in the opening replacement windows should relate to and be appropriate for the age and architectural style of the structure. 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:19.000 And then number three, in situations where the original windows remain, every effort should be made to repair such windows rather than replace them outright. 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:35.000 Staff did consider these architectural requirements as part of our consideration and analysis, and staff recommends approval of the COA requests again to replace all of the exterior windows located at 1823 Belle Avenue. 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:43.000 With that, I'll stand for any questions. And again, I understand that the caller may or may not be on call. 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:55.000 Brian is here. So Brian is present. I just saw him on the screen. So if you have any questions for me, be happy to answer. And of course, the applicant is also present and can answer questions. 00:22:55.000 --> 00:23:03.000 So I know they're going to be aluminum cloud wood. It's going to be the brushed aluminum finish on the exterior. 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:16.000 Yes, I had to search long and hard for a vendor that actually had a clear anodized aluminum window. Yeah, it's a premium, but yes, we're very interested in keeping the aluminum look. 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:34.000 And we tried very hard to figure out how to do how to save the single hung window, but we can't find one that won't cause the jam or the sash to be much wider than what exists now. 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:56.000 So it would increase the amount of aluminum around each window significantly almost double or triple in the case of the single hung windows, where the slider allows us to have a thinner profile to match what exists. 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:07.000 Do you have any questions? I'm a bit confused. I had a hard time because I originally had this on myself on it. I'm just confused what's going to actually replace it like a side by side view. 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:19.000 I see multi pane windows on the only picture you show. And there was something about having the difference. I'm particularly concerned about that front window what it exactly will look like. 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:29.000 It is a mid century modern. I mean, you've got the A-frame, you've got this nice vertical, this horizontal line, and the window has a horizontal. And so I'm a little confused if it's going to go multi-pane. 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:37.000 So I don't understand why those were just a sample was thrown at us in a bold new outlook, which always kind of scares me in a historic home. 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:50.000 So why didn't the applicant tell me? And I'll ask you. But I mean, saying it's not the same as sending it. If we saw it side by side, I'd probably be really happy right now. I'm not real happy because I can't compare exactly what is going to be there. 00:24:50.000 --> 00:25:01.000 I'm just approving a hand wave, and that really worries me. Which dash is going? That was not clear. And I, you know, make it keep it simple. Most of us have day jobs, right? 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:15.000 Sure. This is all custom windows. They will not be multi-pane. We're trying to simplify that and keep with the original look of the structure. That's really essential to us. 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:35.000 Right now there are single hung windows, aluminum windows, that have a cross at the center line of the window, and there's a split rail, the mullion, through the center, which is the most obvious feature from the front view of the house. 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:46.000 It looks like two large panels of glass center with the center line down the middle of the aluminum. That's what's most visible from the door or from the side of the street. 00:25:46.000 --> 00:26:02.000 And so we're trying to replicate that as much as possible with the two with a slider that will have that thin center band and a narrower frame on the outside. 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:07.000 John, maybe you could just show me that picture again. 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:10.000 That front view. 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:15.000 Let me try to pull that up real quick. I know because my cell phone is so small, it makes it really hard. 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:26.000 And I wish I could show you a window, but they're all going to have to be custom built so they don't have a picture of the exact window that we'll get. 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:30.000 Hopefully they will before they custom build it. 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.000 We have lots of options within. 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:43.000 So, please all can see that. This is the photo from the front along Bell Avenue. 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:50.000 The picture didn't, you know, when I looked at that on my little tiny cell phone, that little centerpiece there doesn't show at all. 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:53.000 Isn't that interesting? I mean, it was too small for my phone to see. 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:55.000 Let me see if I can get a better shot. 00:26:55.000 --> 00:27:02.000 Yeah, that's a little bit better, but I must say, because it looks so much different on a cell phone. 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:12.000 Got it. 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:18.000 Okay, any other questions for Ron or for our owner? 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:23.000 We are certainly a quiet bunch today. 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:29.000 Okay, well, thank you, Ron, and we will move on. 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:37.000 The commission has four options as usual, approve is submitted, approve subject to conditions, deny or continue the item. 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:43.000 Any of those four would require a motion and a second to move to the discussion. 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:45.000 I am open for a motion. 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.000 I move that we approve. 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:53.000 Second. 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:57.000 Okay, we have a motion and a second, which opens it for discussion. 00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:19.000 Floor is open. 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:28.000 Okay, we have a motion and a second. 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:32.000 That's a great question. 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:39.000 We typically try to report back to the HLC once the applicant has completed their project. 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.000 Often we try to do that. 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:48.000 We don't have it on an agenda, but certainly we can make that an agenda item so that we have it on our agenda to report back to you all. 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:49.000 Okay. 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.000 Thank you, Ron. 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.000 I have a question. 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:58.000 I don't know if I can see pictures, but right by, after they see before and after. 00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:59.000 That's a great idea. 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.000 It's always fascinating. 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:02.000 I'm an HGTV lover. 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:07.000 I always like seeing things. 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:13.000 After the renovation. 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:18.000 I was excited about seeing it up on completion. 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:28.000 I didn't know if that was something that was put on the agenda for us to know pictures with renderings of it after completion or just submitted for FYI. 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.000 Thank you for entertaining that question. 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.000 We'll certainly try to put something on the agenda, maybe under concluding lines. 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:41.000 If we have any kind of thing to report, if not, then we'll just say that it will be something that we'll report at our next meeting. 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:43.000 I think that's a great idea. 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:44.000 I think that's a great idea. 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:46.000 I think that's a great idea. 00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:47.000 I think that's a great idea. 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:48.000 I think that's a great idea. 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:49.000 I think that's 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--> 00:31:54.000 and hold a discussion and give staff directions regarding 5G historic district poll options. 00:31:54.000 --> 00:32:00.000 I believe this again is something Ron will present, so I'll turn it over to Ron. 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:05.000 Let me unmute myself. 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:06.000 Thank you, Chair. 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:11.000 Let me pull up my presentation. 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:20.000 It's actually a presentation that will be introduced from me, but ultimately will be 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.000 made by the requester. 00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:29.000 And I'll get to right here. 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:34.000 Again, this is just to restate the agenda item. 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:35.000 This is to receive report. 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:42.000 And obviously there are some service polls, wireless facility service polls that are being 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.000 installed within the city currently. 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:52.000 However, the applicant has reached out to the city, me specifically, my department, but 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:59.000 also other departments in looking at where they're being proposed in a historic district. 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.000 I don't think they have one particularly identified yet. 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:08.000 However, they are looking at areas within the historic district or where there are existing 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:14.000 decorative streetlights, such as the downtown, and they would like to make sure that whatever 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:23.000 they are introducing in this area, one gets approved by the city and by the city means 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:32.000 that involves the Historic Landmark Commission and other stakeholders that have an important 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:38.000 say into what should be incorporated into our city streetscape. 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:44.000 The person that brought this request to the city, his name is Brandon Lehaen, and he is 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.000 actually on the call. 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:51.000 And I'm going to see if he's on the call and let him go through his presentation. 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:59.000 And again, what we're trying to see and what he's trying to get from the commission is 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:00.000 your input. 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:05.000 And as we move forward, as they move forward, that is, they hopefully will take your input 00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:11.000 and present that when they have a location identified for the areas that we described. 00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:20.000 So Brandon, are you on the call? 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:30.000 Monica, do you have Brandon on the call? 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.000 >> Ron, this is Rachel. 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:32.000 He is there. 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.000 He just needs to unmute himself. 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.000 >> Hey, Ron, I'm unmuted now. 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:37.000 Thank you. 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:38.000 >> Okay. 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:39.000 Great, Brandon. 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:43.000 I'm going to -- I know you're probably -- I don't know if you have the presentation or 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:49.000 not the presentation, but the meeting on your screen, but I'm going to show the slide. 00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:58.000 That shows the image of the proposed poll that you sent me earlier. 00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:01.000 So that's what's showing right now for the HLC commissioner. 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:05.000 So why don't you go ahead and just a little bit introduce yourself and what you're trying 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.000 to get from this commission. 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.000 >> Oh, for sure. 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.000 Well, yeah, my name is Brandon Lehan. 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.000 Thanks for everybody joining today. 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.000 I'm helping Verizon bring 5G to the city of Denton. 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:22.000 And in doing that, a lot of these were looking at street lot polls, or most certainly street 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.000 lot poll locations and replacement poll options. 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:28.000 We're working with the city and textile for a lot of these locations. 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:32.000 But as we're kind of working around the square, we saw that a lot of these existing street 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:36.000 lots were being replaced with the more decorative options. 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:40.000 And so we're seeing and trying to present options that makes everybody happy. 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:46.000 We know we want to bring 5G and get everybody up to speed here and see what -- basically 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:51.000 what designs would be approved in this area and what feedback you guys have for the proposed 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:52.000 design here. 00:35:52.000 --> 00:36:02.000 And just kind of go from there, just to get the ball rolling with the discussion, really. 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:07.000 But as of now, so the design you're seeing, if I'm seeing correctly, this would be like a 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:12.000 stealth design, where in a nutshell, it would have the intent at the top of the poll. 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:18.000 And talking with the city, one of their requests they were having was to have it a color green 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:24.000 to match the existing polls there and to have the acorn light fixture with the arm upward. 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:30.000 And so we were able to provide a design that closely resembled to what the city was requesting. 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.000 And then just wanted to present it to you guys to see what feedback you have. 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:39.000 If this would be a possible option for us to proceed with for the area or the downtown 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:43.000 area or just what questions you would have or anything on those lines. 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:49.000 But that's my little intro, and I'll turn it over to you guys for any questions or feedback. 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:50.000 >> Okay. 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:52.000 Well, I'll just open the floor. 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:57.000 There is not -- this is not something that requires a motion or approval. 00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:00.000 It's just a discussion meeting. 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:03.000 So just go for it. 00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:06.000 If I can just provide some clarification. 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:10.000 The green was because of the existing green along the square. 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.000 We know we have some light poles there. 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:19.000 However, there are areas within the Oak Hickory Historic District as well as areas around 00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:25.000 the square where the pedestrian scale lighting is colored black. 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:29.000 So I don't think the color per se is a critical input. 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:35.000 I know we want to match as closely as possible, especially if it's along the same street. 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:39.000 But I think it's more or less the design and what we're looking for. 00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:45.000 We did want them to find something that matches the acorn lighting that is predominantly 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:50.000 around the area, and we wanted that to be reflective of what they're proposing. 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:53.000 So this is one of the examples that they provided. 00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:56.000 And again, wanting to hear from the HLC. 00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:00.000 >> So in this picture that we're seeing, it looks like there's a smaller pole in the 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.000 background, and I guess that's kind of an example of like what's our existing light pole? 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:10.000 >> No, that's not -- no, those are -- I think those are just to illustrate -- I think it's 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.000 the same, but for what they're proposing. 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:20.000 What we have existing is a single acorn light, not a double acorn light. 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:26.000 >> Okay. And then I guess like in what they're proposing as well, like the extra large base 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:30.000 is to house your equipment? 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.000 >> Correct. 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:32.000 Yes, ma'am. 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:35.000 The base of it would be where the equipment would be housed, that's correct. 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:36.000 Yes, ma'am. 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.000 It would be all enclosed in this stealth structure. 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:42.000 So you wouldn't have any additional -- everything would be enclosed in there, correct? 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:49.000 >> How tall is that base, like the kind of acorn squash-shaped base thing? 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:50.000 Is that about four feet? 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.000 >> The base itself, roughly around two feet, yes, ma'am. 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:58.000 I don't have the specs exactly from me, but for this exact model per se. 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:02.000 But the ones we were looking at earlier, the foundations are the base equipment itself 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:06.000 was about a two, two and a half foot height there. 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.000 And the pole itself was roughly at 30 feet, the top of the pole. 00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:10.000 >> Yeah. 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.000 Now, like I was just wondering, because like actually the base looks like it's as tall 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.000 as the stop sign in this particular picture. 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:20.000 So like it looks like that really large part was like four to five feet tall. 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:25.000 But so the poles are 30 feet, which is really pretty tall compared to like -- 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.000 where is our standard lights? 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.000 How high are they, Ron, do you know? 00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:32.000 >> I think they're up to -- not 30. 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:37.000 I would say maybe between 15 to 20. 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.000 >> I'm guessing about 20. 00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:43.000 They have one right at my house, but I never thought of that. 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:48.000 >> I have a question actually as to -- the height seems a little out of proportion 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.000 where the light itself is. 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:55.000 I think Janelle has the right point is the proportions are certainly kind of wacky. 00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:56.000 >> Yeah. 00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.000 I think it's just a Photoshop, but still. 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.000 >> Yeah, it still looks all -- it all looks not right. 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:07.000 >> I think this may have been, I mean, looking at the street, the stop sign, that is, 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.000 it's pretty tall and a pretty wide base. 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:16.000 So Brennan, I don't know, I know that this is an illustration that you were sent. 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:22.000 There is a -- if you can get a hold of the dimensions, that would be helpful in -- 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.000 for our discussion. 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:28.000 >> Yeah, because what I'm guessing is somebody has Photoshopped this in and made it, 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.000 like that's probably as tall as 30 feet. 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:34.000 30 feet is actually really pretty high, but like our lights would probably be lower 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:36.000 and the base would probably be lower. 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:41.000 So I'm not sure if somebody just, like, blew something up and put it on a picture, 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.000 but it's a little confusing. 00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.000 It's hard to really assess. 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.000 And also, like, it would be nice to know the locations. 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:53.000 Like, where are these actually going to be located on the square and in a residential area? 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:58.000 Like, the actual spots that you're choosing to put them would make a difference in how they -- 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:03.000 >> Yeah, no, we'll definitely come back to the architectural style and design, 00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:12.000 but I've got a slide that the applicant -- or not the applicant, but Brennan had provided. 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:19.000 So this is, I believe, Brennan, correct me if I'm wrong, the tacks or the pins that are yellow, 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:23.000 are those the locations that you're proposing? 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:25.000 >> Correct, yes, sir. 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:28.000 And those pins, they basically, when working with D&E, 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:31.000 they had sent us a list of where their existing street lots were. 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:37.000 And so when we actually had people in the field go actually take photos of, like, these preliminary reviews, 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:41.000 and they discovered that during that time they were actually being replaced 00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:44.000 with the more decorative options that are currently being installed there. 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:50.000 And so, yeah, it just kind of presented the, I guess, opportunity for us to get something in place 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.000 that everybody would be more happy with, 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:56.000 as opposed to trying to proceed with the integrated poles that just would not match 00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.000 or kind of be out of whack for this area. 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:03.000 But to answer your question in short, yeah, the pins there are basically the proposed locations 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:07.000 or a general location of where the -- an existing street light was 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.000 to where it's been replaced with a decorative light now. 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:15.000 So it would be something that kind of follows in line for those locations. 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.000 >> So it looks like that number actually quite on the square. 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:22.000 It looks like we have one on each side, one in front of the old building that the window replacement -- 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:23.000 >> See that one? 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:27.000 >> Yeah, that we talked about recently, one at the church, 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:31.000 one across the street from the church, and then one over there. 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:33.000 >> Yeah, I think they're replacing them all. 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:37.000 In fact, Hickory is going to get a whole bunch of new light poles, I think, 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:42.000 with the redesign of Hickory up north of -- west of Carroll. 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:46.000 So I think they're going to be putting a whole bunch in as they go down. 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:49.000 So it would be nice if they all matched up to the ones, for example, on Oak. 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:53.000 They're supposed to lead to the downtown area. 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:57.000 And that being the case, I wonder, besides proportionality, 00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:03.000 one of the things that I've seen in many of the cities that try to look rather trendy 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:09.000 and are rather popular and upscale, something like McKinney or Grapevine or other cities, 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:15.000 have the little arms on their light poles that you can hang banners and flowers from, 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.000 something that's quite nice, something that's quite decorative. 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.000 And given you don't want to put it all over the city like this, 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:24.000 something close to downtown that you could put up little signs about, you know, 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:28.000 this is the -- you know, whatever festival is coming up, just to advertise it. 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:31.000 And there are lights like this all around Denton already. 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:35.000 They're kind of ugly silver, but, you know, you could change that to be more historic. 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:41.000 And then maybe for spring or summer, you know, be able to put up some flowers that look rather nice. 00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:47.000 I mean, we have some flower pots on the square, but maybe just on the square use those. 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:51.000 And I think that these 5G poles are just 5G poles. 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.000 They'll be different than the other lights that they're putting up. 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:56.000 Like, those are pretty -- I like the ones with the flower baskets on them. 00:43:56.000 --> 00:44:01.000 But I think that, like, looking at the map of where these are located, 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:06.000 these are just specific that Verizon's putting in for the city. 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.000 They're not going to do the rest of the lights that the city are putting in. 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:13.000 So they're just trying to match these to kind of look like what the city is putting in. 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:18.000 But what would they look like if they didn't try to match? 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.000 I'm just asking -- these are just questions. 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:24.000 Like, if -- because the locations that you were showing on that map, 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:27.000 they're really not in the heart of downtown or -- 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.000 Well, some of them aren't in the heart of the historic district. 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:35.000 They have hickory and oak on there, so it does matter if they would be talking to us again. 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.000 Yeah, no, it does. 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:44.000 I'm kind of curious, like, where you put them in other places, are they just like a black pole with a box, 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:47.000 a square box at the base? 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:51.000 Similar to -- so an example up now, it would be similar to that design, 00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:55.000 except it would have a eight-foot light arm near the top of the pole. 00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:57.000 Oh, just a mark. 00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:00.000 Yes, ma'am, it would be a metallic silver in color, 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.000 and the foundation would be a little less -- or the base would be a little less decorative. 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:09.000 It's more of a -- kind of more of a cylinder instead of like the kind of flouted 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:13.000 or just kind of beveled bottom there. 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:16.000 Have you put any of these up anywhere else? 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:18.000 Just out of curiosity. 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:22.000 This design, I'm not 100% sure we could take it back to Verizon, 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:29.000 but this was one of the photos that they had for one of the -- I guess their -- what would you call it? 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:33.000 The mock-ups of the Insta are basically like a photo simulation for what it would like installed. 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:38.000 I can go back and see if they have any that have actually been like in the field installed 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:43.000 to give you a better up close -- I guess picture of what it would look like or the after, 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:48.000 and then get some more questions about the proportions and foundation for us. 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:50.000 Yeah, that would be helpful. 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:54.000 I would want to see pictures of this pole right next to one that exists now 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:58.000 so I can see how different it really is. 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:03.000 And -- because, you know, if there was even a car parked there next to it, 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:06.000 it would give you some sense of how big that is. 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:11.000 But if you could do a diagram with this pole and a current pole, 00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:16.000 then, you know, I think it would seem a little easier. 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:24.000 And my question is on a lot of these, why aren't these antennas on the building roofs? 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:29.000 It's a different -- it's more of a macro project, so without getting too in the weeds to it. 00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:31.000 They work hand-in-hand. 00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:36.000 This will offload a lot of the service going -- like the big macro rooftop sites. 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.000 Those are like kind of a bigger service area. 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:41.000 These are more of a smaller service area and help offload that, 00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:46.000 creating more of a network, so to say, opposed to like big coverage areas. 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:48.000 But yeah, they do work hand-in-hand, 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:54.000 so there may actually be some other projects going on for the rooftop locations as well. 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.000 So my question -- maybe it's for Ron. 00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:59.000 I'm not sure if it's Ron or Ben. 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:03.000 So are we going to have like presentations like this for people other than Verizon? 00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:09.000 How are we going to accommodate all of the providers, the cell 5G providers? 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:12.000 Certainly Verizon isn't the only one. 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:17.000 Are we all going to go in one same tower, or are there going to be lots of these going around? 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:23.000 My -- I don't have a 100% answer to that, Commissioner Anderson. 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:28.000 My understanding is that we want to co-locate as many as possible 00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:30.000 and to not introduce as many of this. 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.000 So I think being Verizon being the first, 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:39.000 I think this is going to be just as located as -- you know, less clutter as possible. 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:41.000 And that's the hope. 00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:45.000 I know that every application that gets submitted to the city is reviewed, 00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:51.000 and there are site inspections to make sure that that is achieved. 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:55.000 Now, this being close to downtown and potentially close to any historic district 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:58.000 or within historic districts, 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:03.000 we're starting to make sure that we get input from the historic districts 00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:08.000 and the commission as part of this effort. 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:13.000 What I would like -- and I was telling Brennan when he was talking to me was, you know, 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:18.000 the architectural -- is it -- obviously proportionality -- proportion is important, 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:23.000 but also the architectural to match what is out there now is also important. 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:25.000 And so that's why we're here. 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:36.000 And we obviously -- our goal is to limit the amount of these in the area as much as possible. 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:41.000 Okay, do we have any other questions for Ron or our presenter? 00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:44.000 Ron, is it -- what department in the city? 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:50.000 Is it the parks or is it public works that it's putting in the new light poles? 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:53.000 Not these, but the -- 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:54.000 The city. 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:57.000 I think it's streets. 00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:01.000 So it's a combination of a number of different departments. 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:06.000 It's not just one department being a city installed lights. 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:07.000 Yeah. 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:12.000 It would be great to see the ones we're putting in and then kind of -- like Roy was saying, 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:17.000 it would be good to compare the real ones that we're getting side by side, 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:23.000 like just even an architectural elevation where we could really see the dimensions. 00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:24.000 Right. 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:25.000 I think -- 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:26.000 Yes, ma'am. 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.000 I'm sorry. 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:29.000 Sorry, Brennan. 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.000 I'm just going to go through my list real quick. 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:42.000 A proportional analysis, I guess, to show what that proposed pole is compared to an existing light. 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:47.000 Two is to provide dimensions so that we have a better idea of how dimension this is, 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:52.000 not only height but also the base and what that circumference is or diameter is. 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:58.000 And then last is any existing poles that are already installed, 00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:04.000 really installed, not a photo generated visual as what's shown here. 00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:08.000 If that is something that the applicant can present, we may be able to -- 00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:14.000 we will be able to bring it back to the commission for further discussion. 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.000 And if there's anything else you would like to see, 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:23.000 please let us know so that we can provide that for our next discussion. 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:28.000 I would sort of like to see a map of where the street lights are already scheduled to be replaced, 00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:34.000 sort of here's where what we have now is and what they're going to look like 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:37.000 and here are how many in the placement of these. 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:42.000 Does it be nice if there were some sort of symmetry involved somehow? 00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:46.000 Brennan, can you talk a little bit about how you locate these poles? 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:54.000 Is it based off of distance from one another and how is that determined? 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.000 Exactly, yes, sir. 00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:01.000 So it's basically a very -- without getting too deep into the weeds of the RF engineering, 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:08.000 but they have what they call polygons set up to basically establish their optimal service for the area. 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:13.000 And so in RF engineers, here's the center of our polygon. 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:18.000 We're looking for a replacement pole within X amount of feet of this, 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:22.000 and that's basically what we do is present options to them. 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:27.000 And we're working with EME, we were originally targeting the street light replacements 00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:31.000 as our kind of path of leaf resistance and lowest hanging fruit 00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:35.000 and then we'll look to more of a raw land build for any new sites from there. 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.000 But in short, yeah, it's basically RF polygons 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:44.000 and that are basically crafted to meet his desired service outputs for the area, 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:48.000 and that's where we set there. 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:50.000 I hope that answers your question clearly enough, 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:55.000 but I can kind of go into more detail if not without getting too crazy. 00:51:55.000 --> 00:52:00.000 Brennan, do you have -- do you know where our historic districts are located? 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:05.000 Do you have any in the plans in your future? 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:12.000 I know I have another exhibit that shows where one is proposed within the Oak Creek Historic District, 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:17.000 but it's not necessarily in the district, it's just adjacent to. 00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:23.000 I was just wondering if you knew where you guys are thinking of in the future 00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:26.000 within the historic district or districts? 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:30.000 As of now, the previous snapshot of just those locations, 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:35.000 I believe like the four or five locations in that snapshot or aerial view, 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:38.000 was currently what we have for the historic district. 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:44.000 That way I do have a KMZ that the city did provide that overlays their historic zones, 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:49.000 and it was really just those and then the ones, it was like City Notes 5, I believe, 00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:52.000 just off memory that was kind of a little further away. 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.000 I think it was on East Oak Street or -- Oak Street anyway. 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:57.000 But basically that's how it got started. 00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:00.000 We were proposing the location for that one. 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:06.000 We kind of had a hands-off the downtown area until we really kind of had a path forward with this. 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:13.000 And then talking with the city, we were informed that that location also need to be a historic design. 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:16.000 And so we kind of opened the door for maybe a little bit more of this conversation 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:20.000 instead of maybe putting these on the back burner and then trying to work for design 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:24.000 that covers and is kind of complete throughout without changing. 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:29.000 Well, having too much wonky, like kind of keep a consistent flow with everything in the city there, 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:32.000 the historic district, I should say. 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:38.000 The reason I was asking is because obviously the next meeting for the HLC is -- we have one in December. 00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:39.000 We may not have one. 00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:42.000 It may roll back to January. 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:47.000 So just wanted to know your schedule and obviously we want to make sure we get input from the commission 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:51.000 before anything is submitted and reviewed. 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:54.000 Oh, no, we have not. 00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:58.000 We're definitely clearing this through all the appropriate parties and commissions 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:02.000 and make sure everybody's on board and everybody's happy with the designs being presented 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:06.000 before we file for any right-of-way permits or anything like that. 00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:09.000 But with the rest of the city, we are going through the right-of-way 00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:15.000 and replacing just the standard D&E light poles with the approved design there. 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:23.000 But for the historic purposes, it's really just those two aerial views for now. 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:24.000 Okay. 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:25.000 Okay. 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:27.000 Well, thank you very much. 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:30.000 Any other questions or comments? 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.000 No, I don't hear any. 00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:37.000 So if we could have a motion to adjourn. 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.000 Mary is muted, but I can -- 00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:41.000 And I move to adjourn. 00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:43.000 I'm ready to go. 00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:47.000 All those in favor, just raise your hand and wave. 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:49.000 That's enough. 00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:50.000 We stand adjourned. 00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:51.000 Thank you very much. 00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:52.000 Thank you.