1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Thank you. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Good afternoon. Welcome everybody. This is our regularly scheduled. 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Meeting of the historic landmark commission. 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,000 First thing I'll notice that we do have a quorum present. 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,000 So we are good to open the meeting. 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Let's start the meeting with the pledge of allegiance. 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,000 If we can all join in. 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,000 I pledge allegiance to the United States of America. 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,000 And to the Republic. 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,000 For which it stands. 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 One nation. 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,000 Under God. 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,000 Indivisible. 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,000 With liberty and justice for all. 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,000 And now the Texas pledge. 16 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Honor the Texas flag. 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,000 I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state under God, 18 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,000 for which it stands. 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,000 I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state under God, 20 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,000 for which it stands. 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,000 With a little housekeeping here. 22 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Roy. 23 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Mary. 24 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,000 We have Evan. 25 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 Is Angie here yet? No, not yet. Okay. 26 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Now. 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Okay. 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Noted the quorum. Okay. 29 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,000 There's going to be a slight change in our agenda. 30 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,000 We're going to move item D. 31 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Which is a report on. 32 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,000 The five G historic district poll options to the very end. 33 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Are there any. 34 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Discussion about that. 35 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Otherwise we'll consider it done. 36 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Hearing none. I think we have actually. 37 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Five things on our agenda. 38 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Item two. 39 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,000 Item two is to consider, 40 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:02,000 which is HLC 20 dash zero four eight. 41 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:10,000 Consider the approval of the September 21st, 2020 minutes. 42 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,000 I think those were all attached to our version. 43 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,000 So I need a motion to. 44 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Carry that forward. 45 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,000 Okay. 46 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,000 Thank you. 47 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,000 And then we have a motion to approve the approval of the minutes. 48 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Has been submitted. 49 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,000 I second the approval of the minutes. 50 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Okay. 51 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,000 Cassandra. Thank you, Evan. Thank you. 52 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:37,000 We have a motion to second any corrections or discussion. 53 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,000 Hearing none. 54 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Let me call the role. 55 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Yay for Roy. 56 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,000 Mary. 57 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000 Yes. 58 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Janelle. 59 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,000 Okay. 60 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,000 Now, Evan. 61 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:56,000 Present. 62 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Okay. Is that a yay or an A or an abstention? 63 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,000 On the approval of minutes, you have to. 64 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,000 Vote yes for the minutes. 65 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 Or no. 66 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Oh, okay. Yeah. 67 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,000 A for the role. 68 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,000 Okay. 69 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,000 Angie. 70 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,000 It's not here. 71 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Melody is here somewhere. No. 72 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Melody is not here. 73 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,000 Cassandra. 74 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,000 Yay. 75 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Okay. So we have. 76 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,000 I think. 77 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:32,000 One, two, three, five eyes and no nays. So the minutes are approved. 78 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:38,000 Thank you. 79 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,000 Chair, I think, did you, did you include melody in that? 80 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Yay. 81 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Okay. 82 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,000 I count six years. Okay. Okay. Yes. 83 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:58,000 Got it. All right. 84 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:06,000 The second item on our agenda is. 85 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,000 To consider approval of the 2021 historic landmark commission meeting 86 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,000 calendar for next year. 87 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,000 This came up, I think last month, and we all went through this. 88 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 And I think it's going to be. 89 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,000 It's a housekeeping type. 90 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Motion. Why don't I just open it up for discussion? 91 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,000 You know, do you, 92 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,000 does everyone here have their version of the calendar? 93 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:34,000 I'll read off the dates. 94 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,000 I've got on the screen. If you want, if you, if you want to read it, 95 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,000 you can read as well, but I also have it on the screen. 96 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,000 Kind of hard to see, however, but. 97 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Okay. 98 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,000 Typical. 99 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,000 Except for April, I believe we moved that up to the fifth. 100 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Right. We moved it up one, 101 00:04:52,000 --> 00:05:00,000 just because it wouldn't be on our tax deadline. So. 102 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 Okay. Hearing no discussion. 103 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,000 I need a motion to approve the calendar and then we'll vote on that. 104 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,000 A motion to approve the calendar. 105 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,000 Do we have a second? 106 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,000 No discussion. 107 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Motion and a second. Any further discussion? 108 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Hearing none. 109 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000 Mary, your vote. 110 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,000 Hi. 111 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Janelle. 112 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:33,000 Lenny is out. Evan. 113 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:41,000 Melody. 114 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Melody. 115 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,000 Hi. 116 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Katie is out and Cassandra. 117 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Hi. 118 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,000 And I'll switch up the order of these and a Roy votes. Yes. 119 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,000 So we have one, two, three, four, six. 120 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,000 Yay. Zero nays motion passes. 121 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,000 That will be our calendar for next year. 122 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Okay. 123 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,000 Okay. The next thing on our agenda. Item C C O a dash 20 dash. 124 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Oh, one six. 125 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Is the whole to public meeting and consider an application for 126 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:35,000 redevelopment. 127 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,000 To repaint a building located at eight 15 North Locust, 128 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,000 which is a designated local. 129 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:44,000 Historic landmark. 130 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,000 The site is located on the west side of Locust street between Ferguson 131 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,000 and Pauline street. 132 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,000 I think Ron is our presenter. So I'll turn it over to you. 133 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,000 Thank you, chair. 134 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,000 I'm going to go ahead and share my screen. 135 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:05,000 Okay. 136 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,000 So again, as mentioned, this is for a COA. 137 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,000 To consider a C. 138 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:14,000 A repainting. 139 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,000 Project for property located at eight 15 North Locust. 140 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,000 Locust street that is, and you can see from the. 141 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,000 Image here that it's in this area here. That's shown in purple. 142 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,000 On the left. 143 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:32,000 On again, Locust street. 144 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,000 The subject property or subject home as you see here is the, 145 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,000 a home that's been there. 146 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,000 And for some time that's it's considered a Southern Victorian. 147 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Architecture. It's a local historic landmark. 148 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:48,000 It was designated back in 1998. 149 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,000 And it's known as the Brown low house, according to our list. 150 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:59,000 The entire structure. 151 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,000 My understanding is that the applicant has, 152 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,000 or has acquired a property where the interior has been redone. 153 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:12,000 And they're wanting to re. 154 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Rehab the exterior as well. 155 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,000 So that's part of their proposal is to repaint the entire structure. 156 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,000 They do provide the color palette that you see here. 157 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 And they're also providing some examples of. 158 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,000 How the roof trim as well as any accent. 159 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:36,000 For the subject project. 160 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:40,000 The applicant submitted some examples to illustrate what their intent is, 161 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,000 is to enhance the architectural Victorian. 162 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,000 Style of the home by providing the more muted or more. 163 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Controversial style of the home. 164 00:08:51,000 --> 00:09:00,000 What the Victorian home would look like. 165 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,000 Staff did analyze the subject application as you know, 166 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:10,000 the applicant is trying to rehab the existing home. 167 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,000 It is a historic landmark designation. 168 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,000 So it does need to follow a standard. 169 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:21,000 And it does not have to be. 170 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,000 This in particular was more of a rehabilitation of the structure. 171 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,000 So in your backup, 172 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,000 I provided some standards that relate to the work in, 173 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000 in staff's analysis. 174 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,000 It does meet the requirements and the standards and therefore staff is 175 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,000 recommending approval for the subject site. 176 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,000 To be repainted as presented. 177 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,000 For the property located at eight 15, North Locust street. 178 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,000 So that's the plan. 179 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,000 That's the plan. 180 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,000 Thank you. 181 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,000 That's it. 182 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,000 Thank you. 183 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000 That's it. 184 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Thank you. 185 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,000 I understand for any questions. 186 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,000 My understanding is the applicant may or may not be on the call, 187 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,000 but hopefully she is. 188 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,000 She, she was very excited. 189 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,000 And there they are about the project. 190 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,000 And if you have any questions for them, 191 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,000 or if you would like for them to talk about what they're planning to do, 192 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,000 I certainly that's, that's an option for the commission. 193 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:19,000 And if you have any questions, feel free to go ahead. 194 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,000 So I never knew that was Southern Victorian. 195 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,000 It certainly kind of looks like a strange. 196 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Tutor style of sorts. 197 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:39,000 It's actually more of a queen and Victorian. 198 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,000 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 199 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,000 I'm sorry. 200 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,000 I'm sorry. 201 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,000 I'm sorry. 202 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,000 I'm sorry. 203 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,000 It's for preservation and standards for rehabilitation. 204 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,000 And I, which one did you say this? 205 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,000 You'd sent that out. I was looking at the hood. She'd sent out. 206 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,000 There's preservation rehabilitation and restoration. 207 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000 And you said which one you were. 208 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,000 Rehabilitation. 209 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Okay. 210 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,000 Thank you. 211 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,000 I think all of them can apply, 212 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,000 but that one was more specific to what the applicants were trying or 213 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,000 are trying to do. 214 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,000 Okay. 215 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:16,000 Thank you. 216 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,000 This does a point of clarification. 217 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:27,000 These are designated historic standard colors. 218 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,000 So the colors that we've chosen are not listed in the exterior 219 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,000 historic colors, but they are, they have a lot of similarities to those. 220 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,000 We are looking at. 221 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,000 The design for the place. 222 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:46,000 She is an interior designer and been doing this for over 30 years. 223 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,000 And so we were looking in comparison to the houses that are surrounding 224 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000 us. 225 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:57,000 With Giuseppe's restaurant to one side. 226 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,000 And another property on our left that are both the color palettes of 227 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,000 the hour, which is kind of like a deeper gray or blue gray. 228 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:15,000 And so. 229 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,000 So some of the historic colors tend to have a little bit more yellow in 230 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000 the neutral tones. 231 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,000 And so these are very comparable to those just without that. 232 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Yellow undertone. 233 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:28,000 When it comes to the body of the house. 234 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,000 I'm very familiar with the houses you speak of. 235 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,000 I've stayed in the one you're going to paint my next door neighbor. 236 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,000 I'm not sure that is a color except for patchwork white. 237 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,000 The last time I saw it. 238 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,000 So I'm not sure that worrying about matching those colors is of any 239 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,000 interest whatsoever since they desperately need a paint job. 240 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,000 Yours looks great compared to their paint job. 241 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,000 So I guess I'm back again as to why. 242 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,000 You're just saying that because it's a little touch warmer. 243 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,000 You want a less warm color is what you want. 244 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,000 When it comes to the body of the home. 245 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:03,000 Yes, we were not going for the golden yet, the golden neutrals that tend to be in historic color palette. 246 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:11,000 We wanted something that was a little bit softer than those colors. 247 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Okay. Are there any other questions for Ron or for our property owners? 248 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,000 Well, I have a question for Ron. 249 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,000 I mean, if the historic committee, I mean, I'm all for painting the house. 250 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000 God knows I live in one that's old enough. 251 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:27,000 That if you're changing the color, you had to change them to historic colors to meet the guidelines put forward. 252 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:36,000 So Ron, if you would explain to me how these colors meet the standard since I would be up against the same thing if I painted my house. 253 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,000 I can use the exact same color or I have to use a historic palette. 254 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,000 So I want to know how this qualifies. 255 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,000 So, you know, one of the things, obviously, it's not any historic district. 256 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,000 It's actually a historic landmark. 257 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,000 So as far as the development code, there's really not much we can go by. 258 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:57,000 We fall back to the Secretary of Interior's standards. 259 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:04,000 And I looked at the requirements and as mentioned earlier in the backup, I included some of what those standards are. 260 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,000 There was really nothing specific to color. 261 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,000 I know that we mentioned in our code that they have to be historic colors. 262 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,000 But those are for the historic districts. 263 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,000 We have to rely on the Secretary of Interior's. 264 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,000 Now, how we interpret that, that can be a little bit different. 265 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,000 It's not really clear. 266 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:31,000 They don't really give us any direction as far as types of color, but just have to match the architectural style of the home. 267 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,000 And this is a local landmark as opposed to a national? 268 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:41,000 This is a local correct landmark only, yes. 269 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,000 OK, any other questions? 270 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,000 OK, so here are our options as a commission. 271 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,000 We we can approve as submitted. 272 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:58,000 We can approve subject to conditions we can deny or continue. 273 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Any of those would take a motion and a second for discussion. 274 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Do I have a motion? 275 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:11,000 I move that we accept the color palette as submitted. 276 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,000 Melody Melody has made the motion. 277 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,000 I second. This is Evan. 278 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:30,000 OK, we have a motion and a second, so I will throw it out for discussion. 279 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:41,000 I think they've chosen pleasant colors. I think it's it and like the examples that they show, it's it's nothing outrageous or. 280 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Yeah, I agree. It's nothing outrageous. 281 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Yeah, as you show, we're very nice. 282 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:52,000 And what did you put in one bright red color so that it made those very dull flat colors look better? 283 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,000 The Christmas trees, the other one had this great house lit up at dusk. 284 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,000 So, again, you brought the warmth out from the interior light. 285 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:04,000 And in fact, that's what's missing from the color is the work. 286 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:15,000 I'm just saying that that's that's what comes across, that there was a reason that the historic colors are highly recommended, even though it's not part of the historic district. 287 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:22,000 And it's not has nothing to do with pleasant. I mean, I don't care if it's purple, if it's historic, that's not the gauging light. 288 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:37,000 I mean, I don't want to tell people what color to paint their house. I'm just saying if you want to have a historic landmark, you ought to at least try to to match what the suggestions are for them. 289 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:42,000 OK, any other discussion. 290 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:52,000 Wow, we're silent much today. All right, well, let's roll through. We'll call it for a vote. We'll start with Cassandra this time. 291 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,000 Katie is out Melody. 292 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,000 Evan. 293 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Janelle. 294 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Mary. 295 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Hey, and Roy is yay. So we have one, two, three, four, five, four, one against the motion passes. Thank you very much. 296 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Chair, before we move on just wanted to enter for the record that we don't have any online comments nor any callers for this item. 297 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:34,000 Okay, well thank the owners for being here, and it's going to be a beautiful home we look forward to seeing it finished you have any idea when you'll finish it. 298 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:49,000 Um, our thank you first of all for having us and and looking through this for us this is new to us having the historical landmark, and it should be painted by a month from now so December 5 is when we should be wrapping up. 299 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:54,000 Wow, I'm excited. Thank you very much for joining us. 300 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,000 Thank you. 301 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Okay, you're welcome. 302 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:22,000 We're going to move item E ahead of item D, as we mentioned earlier, item E is co a 20 dash oh oh one eight hold a public meeting and consider a certificate of appropriateness in accordance with 2.9 point to the didn't development code to replace exterior windows at 1823 Belle Avenue. 303 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Within the Belle Avenue historic district. The site is located on the southwest corner of Belle Avenue and Woodland Street. 304 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,000 And I believe, Ron is our presenter on that one. 305 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,000 Yes, thank you. 306 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:42,000 Share my screen real quick. 307 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:52,000 So as mentioned in the introduction, this is for a COA located at 1823 North Bell. 308 00:18:52,000 --> 00:19:00,000 This is one of our first COA that I know of, since I've been staff liaison as far as the Bell Avenue historic district. 309 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,000 This particular property of course is located in this district. 310 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:14,000 Right there located on the corner of Woodland Street in Belle Avenue, just on the southwest corner of that intersection. 311 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:28,000 The view of the home. That's the front view that is, as you see here from Belle Avenue is described as a mid century ranch type architecture, and it was constructed in 1951. 312 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:36,000 This is a view of the site or the subject home located at Woodland Street. 313 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:44,000 And I just wanted to show that this particular viewpoint because of the windows and how they're mainly located on this side. 314 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:51,000 Now there are also a number of windows on the other side of the home, but it was very difficult to see from a street view. 315 00:19:51,000 --> 00:20:02,000 But again, the proposal and the request is to replace the exterior windows, a total of 12 exterior windows. 316 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:11,000 They are described as aluminum frame windows, and they will be replaced with aluminum clad windows for the project. 317 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:17,000 There are a total of five that are currently side by side. 318 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:22,000 They will be replaced with five double side sliders. 319 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:32,000 And there is one that is a solo single hung window, and that will be replaced by a fixed casement. 320 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:41,000 And then the remaining six sliders will be replaced by five sliders, similar in the sizes and also a encased window. 321 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:54,000 The window openings themselves and exterior material will not change. They will just simply be used and replace the window itself in those areas that you see here on the screen. 322 00:20:54,000 --> 00:21:11,000 As you can see, the majority of them are the sides of the building on woodland, as well as the property to the south. From that vantage point, there is one window located in the front along Della Avenue. 323 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:23,000 These are just some submitted example of what the applicant has proposed. I will probably need to confirm with the applicant, but again, this is an example of what is being proposed. 324 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:32,000 It was included in the backup or the application that they submitted and included in your backup for you all to look and review. 325 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:38,000 They also submitted this as part of their submittal as well. 326 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Understanding that this is part of the Della Avenue Historic District, the staff did look at the architectural standards requirements for that district and in particular windows that is covered under that section of the code. 327 00:21:53,000 --> 00:22:10,000 As you can see here, I'm just going to read it for the record. Window openings should not be altered to accommodate replacement windows. Blocking down or blocking in the opening replacement windows should relate to and be appropriate for the age and architectural style of the structure. 328 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:19,000 And then number three, in situations where the original windows remain, every effort should be made to repair such windows rather than replace them outright. 329 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:35,000 Staff did consider these architectural requirements as part of our consideration and analysis, and staff recommends approval of the COA requests again to replace all of the exterior windows located at 1823 Belle Avenue. 330 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:43,000 With that, I'll stand for any questions. And again, I understand that the caller may or may not be on call. 331 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:55,000 Brian is here. So Brian is present. I just saw him on the screen. So if you have any questions for me, be happy to answer. And of course, the applicant is also present and can answer questions. 332 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:03,000 So I know they're going to be aluminum cloud wood. It's going to be the brushed aluminum finish on the exterior. 333 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:16,000 Yes, I had to search long and hard for a vendor that actually had a clear anodized aluminum window. Yeah, it's a premium, but yes, we're very interested in keeping the aluminum look. 334 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:34,000 And we tried very hard to figure out how to do how to save the single hung window, but we can't find one that won't cause the jam or the sash to be much wider than what exists now. 335 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:56,000 So it would increase the amount of aluminum around each window significantly almost double or triple in the case of the single hung windows, where the slider allows us to have a thinner profile to match what exists. 336 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Do you have any questions? I'm a bit confused. I had a hard time because I originally had this on myself on it. I'm just confused what's going to actually replace it like a side by side view. 337 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:19,000 I see multi pane windows on the only picture you show. And there was something about having the difference. I'm particularly concerned about that front window what it exactly will look like. 338 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:29,000 It is a mid century modern. I mean, you've got the A-frame, you've got this nice vertical, this horizontal line, and the window has a horizontal. And so I'm a little confused if it's going to go multi-pane. 339 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:37,000 So I don't understand why those were just a sample was thrown at us in a bold new outlook, which always kind of scares me in a historic home. 340 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:50,000 So why didn't the applicant tell me? And I'll ask you. But I mean, saying it's not the same as sending it. If we saw it side by side, I'd probably be really happy right now. I'm not real happy because I can't compare exactly what is going to be there. 341 00:24:50,000 --> 00:25:01,000 I'm just approving a hand wave, and that really worries me. Which dash is going? That was not clear. And I, you know, make it keep it simple. Most of us have day jobs, right? 342 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:15,000 Sure. This is all custom windows. They will not be multi-pane. We're trying to simplify that and keep with the original look of the structure. That's really essential to us. 343 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Right now there are single hung windows, aluminum windows, that have a cross at the center line of the window, and there's a split rail, the mullion, through the center, which is the most obvious feature from the front view of the house. 344 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:46,000 It looks like two large panels of glass center with the center line down the middle of the aluminum. That's what's most visible from the door or from the side of the street. 345 00:25:46,000 --> 00:26:02,000 And so we're trying to replicate that as much as possible with the two with a slider that will have that thin center band and a narrower frame on the outside. 346 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:07,000 John, maybe you could just show me that picture again. 347 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,000 That front view. 348 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,000 Let me try to pull that up real quick. I know because my cell phone is so small, it makes it really hard. 349 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:26,000 And I wish I could show you a window, but they're all going to have to be custom built so they don't have a picture of the exact window that we'll get. 350 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,000 Hopefully they will before they custom build it. 351 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,000 We have lots of options within. 352 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:43,000 So, please all can see that. This is the photo from the front along Bell Avenue. 353 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:50,000 The picture didn't, you know, when I looked at that on my little tiny cell phone, that little centerpiece there doesn't show at all. 354 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,000 Isn't that interesting? I mean, it was too small for my phone to see. 355 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,000 Let me see if I can get a better shot. 356 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Yeah, that's a little bit better, but I must say, because it looks so much different on a cell phone. 357 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:12,000 Got it. 358 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:18,000 Okay, any other questions for Ron or for our owner? 359 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:23,000 We are certainly a quiet bunch today. 360 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:29,000 Okay, well, thank you, Ron, and we will move on. 361 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:37,000 The commission has four options as usual, approve is submitted, approve subject to conditions, deny or continue the item. 362 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:43,000 Any of those four would require a motion and a second to move to the discussion. 363 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000 I am open for a motion. 364 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,000 I move that we approve. 365 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Second. 366 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,000 Okay, we have a motion and a second, which opens it for discussion. 367 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:19,000 Floor is open. 368 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:28,000 Okay, we have a motion and a second. 369 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,000 That's a great question. 370 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:39,000 We typically try to report back to the HLC once the applicant has completed their project. 371 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,000 Often we try to do that. 372 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:48,000 We don't have it on an agenda, but certainly we can make that an agenda item so that we have it on our agenda to report back to you all. 373 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,000 Okay. 374 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,000 Thank you, Ron. 375 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,000 I have a question. 376 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,000 I don't know if I can see pictures, but right by, after they see before and after. 377 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,000 That's a great idea. 378 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,000 It's always fascinating. 379 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,000 I'm an HGTV lover. 380 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,000 I always like seeing things. 381 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:13,000 After the renovation. 382 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:18,000 I was excited about seeing it up on completion. 383 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:28,000 I didn't know if that was something that was put on the agenda for us to know pictures with renderings of it after completion or just submitted for FYI. 384 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000 Thank you for entertaining that question. 385 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,000 We'll certainly try to put something on the agenda, maybe under concluding lines. 386 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:41,000 If we have any kind of thing to report, if not, then we'll just say that it will be something that we'll report at our next meeting. 387 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,000 I think that's a great idea. 388 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,000 I think that's a great idea. 389 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000 I think that's a great idea. 390 00:29:46,000 --> 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I think that's a great idea. 470 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,000 I think that's a great idea. 471 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,000 I think that's a great idea. 472 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,000 I think that's a great idea. 473 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,000 I think that's a great idea. 474 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,000 I think that's a great idea. 475 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:48,000 Okay, our last item on the agenda is item D, which we move to the end is receive a report 476 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:54,000 and hold a discussion and give staff directions regarding 5G historic district poll options. 477 00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:00,000 I believe this again is something Ron will present, so I'll turn it over to Ron. 478 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,000 Let me unmute myself. 479 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,000 Thank you, Chair. 480 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,000 Let me pull up my presentation. 481 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:20,000 It's actually a presentation that will be introduced from me, but ultimately will be 482 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,000 made by the requester. 483 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:29,000 And I'll get to right here. 484 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,000 Again, this is just to restate the agenda item. 485 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,000 This is to receive report. 486 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:42,000 And obviously there are some service polls, wireless facility service polls that are being 487 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,000 installed within the city currently. 488 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:52,000 However, the applicant has reached out to the city, me specifically, my department, but 489 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:59,000 also other departments in looking at where they're being proposed in a historic district. 490 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000 I don't think they have one particularly identified yet. 491 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:08,000 However, they are looking at areas within the historic district or where there are existing 492 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:14,000 decorative streetlights, such as the downtown, and they would like to make sure that whatever 493 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:23,000 they are introducing in this area, one gets approved by the city and by the city means 494 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:32,000 that involves the Historic Landmark Commission and other stakeholders that have an important 495 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:38,000 say into what should be incorporated into our city streetscape. 496 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:44,000 The person that brought this request to the city, his name is Brandon Lehaen, and he is 497 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,000 actually on the call. 498 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:51,000 And I'm going to see if he's on the call and let him go through his presentation. 499 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:59,000 And again, what we're trying to see and what he's trying to get from the commission is 500 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,000 your input. 501 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:05,000 And as we move forward, as they move forward, that is, they hopefully will take your input 502 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:11,000 and present that when they have a location identified for the areas that we described. 503 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:20,000 So Brandon, are you on the call? 504 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:30,000 Monica, do you have Brandon on the call? 505 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,000 >> Ron, this is Rachel. 506 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,000 He is there. 507 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,000 He just needs to unmute himself. 508 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,000 >> Hey, Ron, I'm unmuted now. 509 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,000 Thank you. 510 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,000 >> Okay. 511 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,000 Great, Brandon. 512 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,000 I'm going to -- I know you're probably -- I don't know if you have the presentation or 513 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:49,000 not the presentation, but the meeting on your screen, but I'm going to show the slide. 514 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:58,000 That shows the image of the proposed poll that you sent me earlier. 515 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,000 So that's what's showing right now for the HLC commissioner. 516 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,000 So why don't you go ahead and just a little bit introduce yourself and what you're trying 517 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000 to get from this commission. 518 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,000 >> Oh, for sure. 519 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000 Well, yeah, my name is Brandon Lehan. 520 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000 Thanks for everybody joining today. 521 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,000 I'm helping Verizon bring 5G to the city of Denton. 522 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:22,000 And in doing that, a lot of these were looking at street lot polls, or most certainly street 523 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000 lot poll locations and replacement poll options. 524 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,000 We're working with the city and textile for a lot of these locations. 525 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,000 But as we're kind of working around the square, we saw that a lot of these existing street 526 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,000 lots were being replaced with the more decorative options. 527 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,000 And so we're seeing and trying to present options that makes everybody happy. 528 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:46,000 We know we want to bring 5G and get everybody up to speed here and see what -- basically 529 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:51,000 what designs would be approved in this area and what feedback you guys have for the proposed 530 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000 design here. 531 00:35:52,000 --> 00:36:02,000 And just kind of go from there, just to get the ball rolling with the discussion, really. 532 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:07,000 But as of now, so the design you're seeing, if I'm seeing correctly, this would be like a 533 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:12,000 stealth design, where in a nutshell, it would have the intent at the top of the poll. 534 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:18,000 And talking with the city, one of their requests they were having was to have it a color green 535 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:24,000 to match the existing polls there and to have the acorn light fixture with the arm upward. 536 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:30,000 And so we were able to provide a design that closely resembled to what the city was requesting. 537 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,000 And then just wanted to present it to you guys to see what feedback you have. 538 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,000 If this would be a possible option for us to proceed with for the area or the downtown 539 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,000 area or just what questions you would have or anything on those lines. 540 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:49,000 But that's my little intro, and I'll turn it over to you guys for any questions or feedback. 541 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,000 >> Okay. 542 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000 Well, I'll just open the floor. 543 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,000 There is not -- this is not something that requires a motion or approval. 544 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,000 It's just a discussion meeting. 545 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,000 So just go for it. 546 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000 If I can just provide some clarification. 547 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,000 The green was because of the existing green along the square. 548 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000 We know we have some light poles there. 549 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:19,000 However, there are areas within the Oak Hickory Historic District as well as areas around 550 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:25,000 the square where the pedestrian scale lighting is colored black. 551 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,000 So I don't think the color per se is a critical input. 552 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:35,000 I know we want to match as closely as possible, especially if it's along the same street. 553 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,000 But I think it's more or less the design and what we're looking for. 554 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:45,000 We did want them to find something that matches the acorn lighting that is predominantly 555 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,000 around the area, and we wanted that to be reflective of what they're proposing. 556 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,000 So this is one of the examples that they provided. 557 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,000 And again, wanting to hear from the HLC. 558 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,000 >> So in this picture that we're seeing, it looks like there's a smaller pole in the 559 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,000 background, and I guess that's kind of an example of like what's our existing light pole? 560 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:10,000 >> No, that's not -- no, those are -- I think those are just to illustrate -- I think it's 561 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,000 the same, but for what they're proposing. 562 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:20,000 What we have existing is a single acorn light, not a double acorn light. 563 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:26,000 >> Okay. And then I guess like in what they're proposing as well, like the extra large base 564 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,000 is to house your equipment? 565 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,000 >> Correct. 566 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,000 Yes, ma'am. 567 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,000 The base of it would be where the equipment would be housed, that's correct. 568 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,000 Yes, ma'am. 569 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,000 It would be all enclosed in this stealth structure. 570 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,000 So you wouldn't have any additional -- everything would be enclosed in there, correct? 571 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:49,000 >> How tall is that base, like the kind of acorn squash-shaped base thing? 572 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,000 Is that about four feet? 573 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,000 >> The base itself, roughly around two feet, yes, ma'am. 574 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,000 I don't have the specs exactly from me, but for this exact model per se. 575 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,000 But the ones we were looking at earlier, the foundations are the base equipment itself 576 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,000 was about a two, two and a half foot height there. 577 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,000 And the pole itself was roughly at 30 feet, the top of the pole. 578 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,000 >> Yeah. 579 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,000 Now, like I was just wondering, because like actually the base looks like it's as tall 580 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,000 as the stop sign in this particular picture. 581 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,000 So like it looks like that really large part was like four to five feet tall. 582 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:25,000 But so the poles are 30 feet, which is really pretty tall compared to like -- 583 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000 where is our standard lights? 584 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000 How high are they, Ron, do you know? 585 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,000 >> I think they're up to -- not 30. 586 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,000 I would say maybe between 15 to 20. 587 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,000 >> I'm guessing about 20. 588 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,000 They have one right at my house, but I never thought of that. 589 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:48,000 >> I have a question actually as to -- the height seems a little out of proportion 590 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000 where the light itself is. 591 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,000 I think Janelle has the right point is the proportions are certainly kind of wacky. 592 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,000 >> Yeah. 593 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,000 I think it's just a Photoshop, but still. 594 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,000 >> Yeah, it still looks all -- it all looks not right. 595 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:07,000 >> I think this may have been, I mean, looking at the street, the stop sign, that is, 596 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,000 it's pretty tall and a pretty wide base. 597 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:16,000 So Brennan, I don't know, I know that this is an illustration that you were sent. 598 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:22,000 There is a -- if you can get a hold of the dimensions, that would be helpful in -- 599 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000 for our discussion. 600 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,000 >> Yeah, because what I'm guessing is somebody has Photoshopped this in and made it, 601 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000 like that's probably as tall as 30 feet. 602 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,000 30 feet is actually really pretty high, but like our lights would probably be lower 603 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,000 and the base would probably be lower. 604 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,000 So I'm not sure if somebody just, like, blew something up and put it on a picture, 605 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000 but it's a little confusing. 606 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,000 It's hard to really assess. 607 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000 And also, like, it would be nice to know the locations. 608 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:53,000 Like, where are these actually going to be located on the square and in a residential area? 609 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,000 Like, the actual spots that you're choosing to put them would make a difference in how they -- 610 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:03,000 >> Yeah, no, we'll definitely come back to the architectural style and design, 611 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:12,000 but I've got a slide that the applicant -- or not the applicant, but Brennan had provided. 612 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:19,000 So this is, I believe, Brennan, correct me if I'm wrong, the tacks or the pins that are yellow, 613 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,000 are those the locations that you're proposing? 614 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000 >> Correct, yes, sir. 615 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,000 And those pins, they basically, when working with D&E, 616 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000 they had sent us a list of where their existing street lots were. 617 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:37,000 And so when we actually had people in the field go actually take photos of, like, these preliminary reviews, 618 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,000 and they discovered that during that time they were actually being replaced 619 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,000 with the more decorative options that are currently being installed there. 620 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:50,000 And so, yeah, it just kind of presented the, I guess, opportunity for us to get something in place 621 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000 that everybody would be more happy with, 622 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,000 as opposed to trying to proceed with the integrated poles that just would not match 623 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,000 or kind of be out of whack for this area. 624 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,000 But to answer your question in short, yeah, the pins there are basically the proposed locations 625 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,000 or a general location of where the -- an existing street light was 626 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,000 to where it's been replaced with a decorative light now. 627 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:15,000 So it would be something that kind of follows in line for those locations. 628 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,000 >> So it looks like that number actually quite on the square. 629 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:22,000 It looks like we have one on each side, one in front of the old building that the window replacement -- 630 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000 >> See that one? 631 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,000 >> Yeah, that we talked about recently, one at the church, 632 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,000 one across the street from the church, and then one over there. 633 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000 >> Yeah, I think they're replacing them all. 634 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,000 In fact, Hickory is going to get a whole bunch of new light poles, I think, 635 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,000 with the redesign of Hickory up north of -- west of Carroll. 636 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,000 So I think they're going to be putting a whole bunch in as they go down. 637 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,000 So it would be nice if they all matched up to the ones, for example, on Oak. 638 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,000 They're supposed to lead to the downtown area. 639 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,000 And that being the case, I wonder, besides proportionality, 640 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:03,000 one of the things that I've seen in many of the cities that try to look rather trendy 641 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:09,000 and are rather popular and upscale, something like McKinney or Grapevine or other cities, 642 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:15,000 have the little arms on their light poles that you can hang banners and flowers from, 643 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,000 something that's quite nice, something that's quite decorative. 644 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,000 And given you don't want to put it all over the city like this, 645 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,000 something close to downtown that you could put up little signs about, you know, 646 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,000 this is the -- you know, whatever festival is coming up, just to advertise it. 647 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,000 And there are lights like this all around Denton already. 648 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,000 They're kind of ugly silver, but, you know, you could change that to be more historic. 649 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:41,000 And then maybe for spring or summer, you know, be able to put up some flowers that look rather nice. 650 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:47,000 I mean, we have some flower pots on the square, but maybe just on the square use those. 651 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,000 And I think that these 5G poles are just 5G poles. 652 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,000 They'll be different than the other lights that they're putting up. 653 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,000 Like, those are pretty -- I like the ones with the flower baskets on them. 654 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,000 But I think that, like, looking at the map of where these are located, 655 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:06,000 these are just specific that Verizon's putting in for the city. 656 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,000 They're not going to do the rest of the lights that the city are putting in. 657 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,000 So they're just trying to match these to kind of look like what the city is putting in. 658 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:18,000 But what would they look like if they didn't try to match? 659 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,000 I'm just asking -- these are just questions. 660 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,000 Like, if -- because the locations that you were showing on that map, 661 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,000 they're really not in the heart of downtown or -- 662 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,000 Well, some of them aren't in the heart of the historic district. 663 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,000 They have hickory and oak on there, so it does matter if they would be talking to us again. 664 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,000 Yeah, no, it does. 665 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:44,000 I'm kind of curious, like, where you put them in other places, are they just like a black pole with a box, 666 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,000 a square box at the base? 667 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,000 Similar to -- so an example up now, it would be similar to that design, 668 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,000 except it would have a eight-foot light arm near the top of the pole. 669 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,000 Oh, just a mark. 670 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,000 Yes, ma'am, it would be a metallic silver in color, 671 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,000 and the foundation would be a little less -- or the base would be a little less decorative. 672 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,000 It's more of a -- kind of more of a cylinder instead of like the kind of flouted 673 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,000 or just kind of beveled bottom there. 674 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,000 Have you put any of these up anywhere else? 675 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,000 Just out of curiosity. 676 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,000 This design, I'm not 100% sure we could take it back to Verizon, 677 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:29,000 but this was one of the photos that they had for one of the -- I guess their -- what would you call it? 678 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,000 The mock-ups of the Insta are basically like a photo simulation for what it would like installed. 679 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,000 I can go back and see if they have any that have actually been like in the field installed 680 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:43,000 to give you a better up close -- I guess picture of what it would look like or the after, 681 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:48,000 and then get some more questions about the proportions and foundation for us. 682 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,000 Yeah, that would be helpful. 683 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,000 I would want to see pictures of this pole right next to one that exists now 684 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,000 so I can see how different it really is. 685 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,000 And -- because, you know, if there was even a car parked there next to it, 686 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,000 it would give you some sense of how big that is. 687 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:11,000 But if you could do a diagram with this pole and a current pole, 688 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:16,000 then, you know, I think it would seem a little easier. 689 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:24,000 And my question is on a lot of these, why aren't these antennas on the building roofs? 690 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,000 It's a different -- it's more of a macro project, so without getting too in the weeds to it. 691 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,000 They work hand-in-hand. 692 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:36,000 This will offload a lot of the service going -- like the big macro rooftop sites. 693 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,000 Those are like kind of a bigger service area. 694 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,000 These are more of a smaller service area and help offload that, 695 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,000 creating more of a network, so to say, opposed to like big coverage areas. 696 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,000 But yeah, they do work hand-in-hand, 697 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:54,000 so there may actually be some other projects going on for the rooftop locations as well. 698 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,000 So my question -- maybe it's for Ron. 699 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,000 I'm not sure if it's Ron or Ben. 700 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,000 So are we going to have like presentations like this for people other than Verizon? 701 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:09,000 How are we going to accommodate all of the providers, the cell 5G providers? 702 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,000 Certainly Verizon isn't the only one. 703 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,000 Are we all going to go in one same tower, or are there going to be lots of these going around? 704 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:23,000 My -- I don't have a 100% answer to that, Commissioner Anderson. 705 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,000 My understanding is that we want to co-locate as many as possible 706 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,000 and to not introduce as many of this. 707 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,000 So I think being Verizon being the first, 708 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:39,000 I think this is going to be just as located as -- you know, less clutter as possible. 709 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,000 And that's the hope. 710 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,000 I know that every application that gets submitted to the city is reviewed, 711 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:51,000 and there are site inspections to make sure that that is achieved. 712 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,000 Now, this being close to downtown and potentially close to any historic district 713 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,000 or within historic districts, 714 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,000 we're starting to make sure that we get input from the historic districts 715 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:08,000 and the commission as part of this effort. 716 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:13,000 What I would like -- and I was telling Brennan when he was talking to me was, you know, 717 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:18,000 the architectural -- is it -- obviously proportionality -- proportion is important, 718 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:23,000 but also the architectural to match what is out there now is also important. 719 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,000 And so that's why we're here. 720 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:36,000 And we obviously -- our goal is to limit the amount of these in the area as much as possible. 721 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:41,000 Okay, do we have any other questions for Ron or our presenter? 722 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,000 Ron, is it -- what department in the city? 723 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:50,000 Is it the parks or is it public works that it's putting in the new light poles? 724 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,000 Not these, but the -- 725 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,000 The city. 726 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,000 I think it's streets. 727 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,000 So it's a combination of a number of different departments. 728 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,000 It's not just one department being a city installed lights. 729 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,000 Yeah. 730 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,000 It would be great to see the ones we're putting in and then kind of -- like Roy was saying, 731 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,000 it would be good to compare the real ones that we're getting side by side, 732 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:23,000 like just even an architectural elevation where we could really see the dimensions. 733 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,000 Right. 734 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,000 I think -- 735 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,000 Yes, ma'am. 736 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,000 I'm sorry. 737 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,000 Sorry, Brennan. 738 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,000 I'm just going to go through my list real quick. 739 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:42,000 A proportional analysis, I guess, to show what that proposed pole is compared to an existing light. 740 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,000 Two is to provide dimensions so that we have a better idea of how dimension this is, 741 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,000 not only height but also the base and what that circumference is or diameter is. 742 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:58,000 And then last is any existing poles that are already installed, 743 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:04,000 really installed, not a photo generated visual as what's shown here. 744 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,000 If that is something that the applicant can present, we may be able to -- 745 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:14,000 we will be able to bring it back to the commission for further discussion. 746 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,000 And if there's anything else you would like to see, 747 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:23,000 please let us know so that we can provide that for our next discussion. 748 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,000 I would sort of like to see a map of where the street lights are already scheduled to be replaced, 749 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:34,000 sort of here's where what we have now is and what they're going to look like 750 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,000 and here are how many in the placement of these. 751 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:42,000 Does it be nice if there were some sort of symmetry involved somehow? 752 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,000 Brennan, can you talk a little bit about how you locate these poles? 753 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:54,000 Is it based off of distance from one another and how is that determined? 754 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,000 Exactly, yes, sir. 755 00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:01,000 So it's basically a very -- without getting too deep into the weeds of the RF engineering, 756 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:08,000 but they have what they call polygons set up to basically establish their optimal service for the area. 757 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:13,000 And so in RF engineers, here's the center of our polygon. 758 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:18,000 We're looking for a replacement pole within X amount of feet of this, 759 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,000 and that's basically what we do is present options to them. 760 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:27,000 And we're working with EME, we were originally targeting the street light replacements 761 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,000 as our kind of path of leaf resistance and lowest hanging fruit 762 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,000 and then we'll look to more of a raw land build for any new sites from there. 763 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,000 But in short, yeah, it's basically RF polygons 764 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:44,000 and that are basically crafted to meet his desired service outputs for the area, 765 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,000 and that's where we set there. 766 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,000 I hope that answers your question clearly enough, 767 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:55,000 but I can kind of go into more detail if not without getting too crazy. 768 00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,000 Brennan, do you have -- do you know where our historic districts are located? 769 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:05,000 Do you have any in the plans in your future? 770 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:12,000 I know I have another exhibit that shows where one is proposed within the Oak Creek Historic District, 771 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:17,000 but it's not necessarily in the district, it's just adjacent to. 772 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:23,000 I was just wondering if you knew where you guys are thinking of in the future 773 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,000 within the historic district or districts? 774 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,000 As of now, the previous snapshot of just those locations, 775 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:35,000 I believe like the four or five locations in that snapshot or aerial view, 776 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,000 was currently what we have for the historic district. 777 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:44,000 That way I do have a KMZ that the city did provide that overlays their historic zones, 778 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:49,000 and it was really just those and then the ones, it was like City Notes 5, I believe, 779 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,000 just off memory that was kind of a little further away. 780 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,000 I think it was on East Oak Street or -- Oak Street anyway. 781 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,000 But basically that's how it got started. 782 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,000 We were proposing the location for that one. 783 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:06,000 We kind of had a hands-off the downtown area until we really kind of had a path forward with this. 784 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:13,000 And then talking with the city, we were informed that that location also need to be a historic design. 785 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,000 And so we kind of opened the door for maybe a little bit more of this conversation 786 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,000 instead of maybe putting these on the back burner and then trying to work for design 787 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,000 that covers and is kind of complete throughout without changing. 788 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:29,000 Well, having too much wonky, like kind of keep a consistent flow with everything in the city there, 789 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,000 the historic district, I should say. 790 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:38,000 The reason I was asking is because obviously the next meeting for the HLC is -- we have one in December. 791 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,000 We may not have one. 792 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,000 It may roll back to January. 793 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:47,000 So just wanted to know your schedule and obviously we want to make sure we get input from the commission 794 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,000 before anything is submitted and reviewed. 795 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,000 Oh, no, we have not. 796 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,000 We're definitely clearing this through all the appropriate parties and commissions 797 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,000 and make sure everybody's on board and everybody's happy with the designs being presented 798 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,000 before we file for any right-of-way permits or anything like that. 799 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,000 But with the rest of the city, we are going through the right-of-way 800 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:15,000 and replacing just the standard D&E light poles with the approved design there. 801 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:23,000 But for the historic purposes, it's really just those two aerial views for now. 802 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,000 Okay. 803 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,000 Okay. 804 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,000 Well, thank you very much. 805 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,000 Any other questions or comments? 806 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,000 No, I don't hear any. 807 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,000 So if we could have a motion to adjourn. 808 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,000 Mary is muted, but I can -- 809 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,000 And I move to adjourn. 810 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,000 I'm ready to go. 811 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,000 All those in favor, just raise your hand and wave. 812 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,000 That's enough. 813 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,000 We stand adjourned. 814 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,000 Thank you very much. 815 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,000 Thank you.