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 Good morning and welcome to this meeting of the Mobility Committee of the City of Denton.

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 We have a quorum present.

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 We're convening at 9.02 and we'll begin with our items for individual consideration, starting

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 with item A, which is considering approval of the minutes for the September 8th, 2020

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 meeting and will entertain action.

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 I will move approval.

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 Second.

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 We have a second.

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 I'll second.

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 Second.

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 All in favor?

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Minutes are approved.

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 Moving on to item B. Receive a report and hold a discussion regarding updates from

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 the Denton County Transportation Authority.

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 Well, thank you.

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 I am Nicole Recker.

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 I'm the Vice President of Mobility Services and Administration here at DCTA.

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 And I have a lot to update you.

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 Good to see you as well.

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 So we've got a lot of updates to share despite COVID.

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 We've got a lot of things going on and I'm excited to give everybody an update.

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 So I did want to provide an update on our COVID-19 procedures.

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 So we are still the only transit agency in Texas without a positive operator case of

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 COVID-19, which I always like to say this is not a time to boast.

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 However, that designation does indicate how above and beyond we are going to make sure

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 that we are ensuring the safety for our passengers, our operators, and our staff.

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 Since our last meeting, we have actually installed touchless hand sanitizer units on all of our

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 vehicles.

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 And so those are up and running and have received very positive feedback.

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 We also have a dedicated web page that's been detailing all of the efforts that we have

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 put into place.

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 We've created a welcome back riders guide, which is like a quick download document so

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 that you can see exactly what all of the precautionary measures we've put into place are.

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 And I mean, obviously, ridership is down due to COVID.

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 And so we have been promoting a ride safe, stay safe campaign, kind of reinforcing the

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 return to transit, including some of those behind the scenes footage and photos to kind

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 of show people exactly the measures that we're going to.

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 We're also having conversations with the North Texas Council of Governments to talk about

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 kind of regionally what would it look like to return to transit and what are some of

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 the efforts that we could do from a regional perspective that would help increase ridership.

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 So DCTA recently conducted a COVID-19 passenger survey where we are collecting data from folks

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 asking them when they returned to transit, if they haven't returned to transit, what

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 are those reasons, you know, do they feel safe on DCTA?

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 And so we just closed to that survey and we will be looking at that data and we hope to

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 be sharing that data with our board in January.

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 So obviously, a lot of activity is going on to make sure that we're ensuring the safety

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 of our passengers, our operators, and our staff.

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 In the past, I've given the Mobility Committee an update on the agency's transformation initiative,

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 and we've made quite a bit of progress.

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 And so as a reminder, the transformation initiative is an agency-wide study that's board-led that

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 will develop a cohesive vision for DCTA's future, looking at improving operations, addressing

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 perceived concerns, responding to evolving markets, technology, and consumer preferences.

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 So that initiative began in August of 2020.

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 And so we have been rapidly working on that with Accenture, who is who the board appointed

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 to conduct that analysis.

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 And we hope to kind of close out that study by the end of the year.

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 We actually have a specially called board meeting next week on November 5th, where Accenture

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 is going to present kind of their current state analysis findings, as well as their

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 future state recommendations.

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 And it's those future state recommendations that's really going to kind of inform truly

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 the future of DCTA.

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 And so at that specially called meeting, the board will also workshop those future state

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 recommendations so that they can kind of create a priority list and a list of what efforts

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 need to be focused on each fiscal year, because obviously there is a price tag associated

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 with some of the modifications that Accenture might be proposing.

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 And so we're quite excited to kind of see that final report and to be a part of that

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 board discussion as they prioritize those recommendations.

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 As part of that transformation initiative and as part of board direction, staff has

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 been looking at leveraging our mobility as a service or MAS contracts that we've had

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 under contract, we've had 32 contractors under contract for about two years.

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 So staff conducted a mini RFP or a task order within those existing MAS contracts to identify

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 providers who could deliver on demand service and mobility in member cities as well as contract

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 cities.

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 And so really the MAS contracts are on demand services.

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 We received bids back from several of those providers, but the board approved the staff's

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 recommendation of awarding the contract to spare labs and to via.

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 So we are still in conversations with spare labs and via about what type of on demand

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 services we could launch in our member cities as well as maybe in the future in our contract

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 cities.

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 But again, we're really awaiting the discussion on November 5th from our board, reviewing

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 those future state recommendations before we start working with these providers to kind

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 of remodel service delivery.

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 So we've had many discussions at a board level, it could be where we modify our fixed route

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 some and then we layer on demand services on top of that.

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 Maybe that looks at kind of expanding the service area where we provide service.

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 There's a lot of different options, and so we're really just not ready to pull the trigger

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 until the board provides us with some direction based on those future state recommendations.

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 But we really feel like that conversation next week is going to open the door for us

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 to have further discussions with spare labs and via about providing that service.

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 So I would say hopefully spring of next year we would be looking at conducting a service

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 change where you would see quite a substantial modification in how DCTA is delivering service,

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 which is really exciting.

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 I do want to just give some updates, obviously with COVID we're not getting face to face

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 as often as we were before, but our social service agency roundtables are still being

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 held, they're just being held in a virtual setting.

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 Our meeting in Louisville was yesterday, we have a Denton-focused meeting tomorrow at

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 9 a.m., so if anybody is interested in attending, anyone is welcome to attend.

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 It's okay to have your assistant join the meeting.

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 Yeah, well I do have a little assistant, so thank you.

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 I also wanted to let you know that our community outreach has changed quite a bit just since

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 COVID, but that has not stopped us, so we have actually created a community education

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 resource webpage that is full of coloring pages, activity pages, story time videos,

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 links to virtual tours that are educational, links to DCTA's educational outreach programs

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 like Operation Life Saver and Rail Ready, and new content is updated regularly.

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 And so DCTA has been partnering with schools, teachers, parents, daycares, all sorts of

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 different organizations to be able to use that content either with at-home instruction

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 or even in classroom instruction.

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 And so that has kind of led to some really great partnerships and abilities for us to

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 kind of still execute our outreach strategies, but just in a different way.

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 So part of that outreach strategy also is focusing on low-income outreach, and we have

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 been putting together packets of information, so including copies of like activity pages

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 and crayons, disposable masks, and information about DCTA, and we've been hand-delivering

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 those to interested participants as well as like neighborhood associations.

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 We've been focusing in Denton specifically on the Denia area and the Sedna areas to kind

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 of hand-deliver those materials, so that one, it gives, you know, kids, I mean, trust me,

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 I understand what it's like to have a little one at home while you're trying to work or

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 do other things.

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 And so those activity pages, you know, certainly can kind of keep the kids busy.

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 We also realize that not everyone can, you know, afford to purchase PPE in order to do

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 the things that they need to do, and so we've provided some disposable masks in those bags.

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 And so if you're aware of any organization or facility that might be interested in some

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 of those, you know, distro bags, please let me know because we can absolutely put some

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 together and get them distributed.

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 We've got a lot of things going on with our rail trail, obviously with, you know, the

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 modification of service and less people riding.

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 We've gotten more people walking and running and doing things like that, and so we've got

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 a lot of good things happening on our trail, our usage is up significantly.

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 In the past, we have done an event called Rails to Trails, but obviously we had put

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 that on hold due to COVID, and so we ended up canceling that this year, but we are participating

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 in the Rails to Trails Conservancy's national campaign, which is #ShareYourTrailMoments.

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 And so along the entire trail, you'll find signs that are asking you to kind of post

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 pictures of yourself on the trail and hashtag them with #ShareYourTrailMoments.

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 And so we've, we will be pulling throughout the year that hashtag report and using some

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 of those photos and things that we're doing.

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 We've also created a new A-Train Rail Trail Pocket Guide, right, we have not printed it

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 simply because we wanted to make sure that if there were any service modifications that

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 we could make those changes to this really cool guide that's huge, but folds down into

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 like the size of a credit card.

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 And so that kind of document right now is available for download on our website, but

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 it is a comprehensive user guide.

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 So it includes like station access, trail access, parking benches, emergency call stations,

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 bike racks, safety tips, there's a ton of information on there.

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 And so it's a really great, a really great resource.

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 And so we have that available, but as soon as we finalize any type of service modification

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 based on the transformation initiative, then we'll fully update that document and we'll

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 actually print them for distribution.

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 So, but it's a really great piece and I know for those who love the trail, it's very helpful

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 because it really helps you navigate between the stations or trailheads and the trail itself.

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 And then exciting news, we just installed four new automatic pedestrian and bicycle counters

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 on the trail itself, so now DCTA has a total of six counters to track rail trail usage.

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 And the way that it works is that they count pedestrians and cyclists separately with a

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 single counter, and it can actually detect direction of travel.

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 So they are installed on these like discrete metal bollard, they look like a little green

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 post along the trail and so they're, they look natural to the environment, but they're

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 all encased there so that, you know, weather is not an issue.

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 But those counters have really come in handy because if you've seen in the news trail usage

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 across the county and the country has really surged during coronavirus and so for us to

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 be able to track actual usage has been very beneficial and so we are analyzing kind of

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 the number of people that use the trail cyclists versus pedestrians, looking at high traffic

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 along the rail trail and also where people are accessing the trail.

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 And so we will use that data in order to kind of provide better reporting of rail trail

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 utilization, but also for us to look at future rail trail amenities and safety enhancements

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 like signage, mile markers, lighting, benches, and things like that.

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 So we partnered with COG on those trail counters and we're really excited to have that technology

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 available.

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 With election day coming up, we have been offering, oh, yes.

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 Oh, no, I just hadn't heard, I'm just joking, I just said, is it?

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 Okay.

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 Okay.

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 It is not, when I said I've got a doozy for y'all today, I really meant it.

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 We've got a lot of info.

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 So with election day, we have been offering free rides on select services, so no proof

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 of voter registration is required.

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 The last day of that free ride program is on November 3rd, so make sure, you know, you

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 let folks know that if they need to use transit to get to vote, they absolutely can do so

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 and they can do so free of charge.

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 And then we're also doing our Veterans Day free ride campaign as well, and so that's

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 on November 11th, and that's free rides on select services for veterans and active military.

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 All they have to do is show their military ID, state ID, or their military designation

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 or discharge papers.

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 So lots of free ride campaigns going on right now for really good causes, lots of activity

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 on the rail trail, some big decisions coming out of our board in the next couple of weeks.

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 It is an extremely busy time at TCTA, and I am happy to answer any questions as I just

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 regurgitated all of that information to you, and I know that it was a lot, but I'm also

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 happy to send Becky links to some of this information that she can send out afterward

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 if you'd like that for review.

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 It's an amazing amount of activity, I didn't know that any of that was going on.

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 Questions, councilmembers?

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 I have a question.

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 Actually I have a few.

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 Some are pretty easy.

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 I was taking notes the whole time.

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 So we'll start with the trail because that's kind of where we are actually the free votes.

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 That's where we left off.

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 I'll kind of go backwards.

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 Do we know how many have utilized that service yet?

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 I mean, are you keeping up with that?

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 So typically for a normal free ride campaign, we would.

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 The normal free ride campaign, we would have like a code word.

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 We would ask our operators on both bus and rail to track that information.

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 This time around we did not.

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 So typically what we would do is we would look at year over year ridership, but we also

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 recognize that that's going to be extremely skewed this year because it's pre COVID versus

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 post COVID.

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 So we'll have some idea as to ridership, but we will not have exact for the for the free

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 ride campaigns this year.

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 Okay, next question about the trails on the counters.

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 Is that data that you can share with your member cities, especially where people are

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 using, you know, to get on the ramp and that would be pretty helpful as we look at all

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 of our plans, our mobility plan and bike industry and absolutely 100% as soon as we start pulling

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 those reports.

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 That's something that I'm happy to forward over.

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 I am sure that we'll include them in our board packets, but I mean, I can forward them over

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 to y'all directly as well.

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 Okay, I think that would be helpful.

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 The next question on the trail and I ask about this is since there is a lot more usage.

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 Are we any closer to getting lighting on the trail?

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 Let me talk to our capital project manager and see where we're at on lighting.

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 I know we have lighting in specific areas and I know that we've got some safety and

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 security fundings set aside in FY21 for amenities and improvements and let me see if that's

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 on the list.

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 If I could follow up with you on that, that way I can get you exact information.

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 Okay, and also just the other on the trail, I did see people comment about trash along

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 the trail.

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 Is that DCTA or the county or city or is that a contract and who holds that contract?

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 I just didn't know.

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 Sure, sure.

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 So it's actually a little confusing.

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 It is all dependent upon the portion of the trail.

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 So in most cases, it's the city who will contract out like for like any mowing or landscape

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 maintenance and trash but if you let me know specifically where the area is, I can check

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 with our project manager and she can tell me exactly who's responsible.

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 It's different from one end of the trail to the other and there's like multiple parties

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 and so but I can get that information for you.

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 Great thank you.

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 A quick question, you mentioned November 5th that there's a meeting.

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 Is that meeting open for individuals if they want to look at the suggestions?

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 Absolutely, it is posted as a board meeting and so the posting will go up on Friday of

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 this week and so it is a virtual meeting but you can join it just like you at any other

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 DCTA public meeting.

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 Okay, Chair, I have two more questions.

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 John, do you want to break in or you're okay with just keep going?

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 Just keep going.

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 I'm fine.

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 Okay, on the on-demand service with the contracts you put out for, were any of those or did

00:17:36.620 --> 00:17:40.420
 you ask for fuel-efficient cars?

00:17:40.420 --> 00:17:44.580
 Is it kind of like Uber where each individual has their own car or do the companies have

00:17:44.580 --> 00:17:45.580
 company cars?

00:17:45.580 --> 00:17:47.700
 So it's a little bit different.

00:17:47.700 --> 00:17:54.540
 So Spare is actually a software as a service engine where they would leverage maybe like

00:17:54.540 --> 00:18:01.020
 Lyft and Irving Holdings and they would kind of be a hub for other on-demand partners to

00:18:01.020 --> 00:18:10.100
 kind of plug in, whereas VIA actually and I get you the exact model of the vehicle but

00:18:10.100 --> 00:18:17.100
 it's like a Mercedes van that they use and so I'd have to check and see exactly like

00:18:17.100 --> 00:18:21.060
 what the fuel efficiency is on those but I could send you information about their specific

00:18:21.060 --> 00:18:22.060
 vehicles.

00:18:22.060 --> 00:18:26.740
 Okay, but if someone requested an ADA accessible vehicle that that's right.

00:18:26.740 --> 00:18:31.900
 So yes, all of VIA's vehicles are ADA accessible.

00:18:31.900 --> 00:18:38.260
 It is when Spare uses their software platform and they plug in the reason that they're recommending

00:18:38.260 --> 00:18:44.580
 the use of Lyft and Irving Holdings is that Lyft is not required to be ADA accessible

00:18:44.580 --> 00:18:49.180
 but Irving Holdings is and so we would have like a dedicated Irving Holdings fleet that

00:18:49.180 --> 00:18:51.740
 would handle all of our ADA accessibility needs.

00:18:51.740 --> 00:18:53.380
 Okay, it's good to know.

00:18:53.380 --> 00:18:58.740
 Last question and it's kind of more of a future question and if you're planning for it.

00:18:58.740 --> 00:19:03.460
 We did recently hear about the speed train from Dallas to Houston and that's more of

00:19:03.460 --> 00:19:07.100
 a it seems like a reality.

00:19:07.100 --> 00:19:12.860
 So I'm curious if we are working on or if we're looking at when those connections come

00:19:12.860 --> 00:19:13.860
 in.

00:19:13.860 --> 00:19:22.700
 If DCTA is in, you know, contacts or conversations on that to make sure that we are coordinating

00:19:22.700 --> 00:19:27.180
 those those routes from Dallas to Denton.

00:19:27.180 --> 00:19:29.140
 Absolutely, absolutely.

00:19:29.140 --> 00:19:31.020
 So we are involved.

00:19:31.020 --> 00:19:36.060
 Typically it's through cog is how we is how we get involved as the MPO and so but we stay

00:19:36.060 --> 00:19:41.020
 completely engaged in all of those conversations and as it would get to a point where there

00:19:41.020 --> 00:19:44.300
 would be that type of coordination needed.

00:19:44.300 --> 00:19:46.180
 We would definitely be having those conversations.

00:19:46.180 --> 00:19:47.780
 Okay, that's good to know.

00:19:47.780 --> 00:19:48.780
 I'm done.

00:19:48.780 --> 00:19:49.780
 Thank you.

00:19:49.780 --> 00:19:50.780
 Very helpful.

00:19:50.780 --> 00:19:51.780
 Thank you, John.

00:19:51.780 --> 00:19:52.780
 Anything else?

00:19:52.780 --> 00:19:53.780
 All is good.

00:19:53.780 --> 00:19:54.780
 All right, thank you so much, Nicole.

00:19:54.780 --> 00:19:55.780
 Thank you for your time.

00:19:55.780 --> 00:19:56.780
 I appreciate it.

00:19:56.780 --> 00:20:12.460
 Yeah, yours, right, we're gonna move on to item C receiver report and hold the discussion

00:20:12.460 --> 00:20:30.940
 regarding City of Denton transportation slash mobility project status report in the area.

00:20:30.940 --> 00:20:31.940
 Thank you.

00:20:31.940 --> 00:20:32.940
 on mute.

00:20:32.940 --> 00:20:45.420
 I mean, whoever's presenting yeah, on mute and invisible.

00:20:45.420 --> 00:20:55.680
 John Polster with Innovative Transportation Solutions, I'll be going over the report.

00:20:55.680 --> 00:21:00.820
 Can y'all see the report is that or am I supposed to share it or I think you share your share

00:21:00.820 --> 00:21:03.260
 screen?

00:21:03.260 --> 00:21:09.260
 This is all new.

00:21:09.260 --> 00:21:15.540
 Did he put it on the folder or a mask up brand?

00:21:15.540 --> 00:21:16.540
 I don't see it.

00:21:16.540 --> 00:21:17.620
 It's a PDF.

00:21:17.620 --> 00:21:20.380
 No, I don't see it.

00:21:20.380 --> 00:21:25.980
 It's all from last night.

00:21:25.980 --> 00:21:28.460
 So it's on the report here.

00:21:28.460 --> 00:21:29.460
 Yeah.

00:21:29.460 --> 00:21:43.860
 It's called exhibit two.

00:21:43.860 --> 00:22:04.660
 My apologies for the technical difficulty.

00:22:04.660 --> 00:22:20.580
 It looks promising.

00:22:20.580 --> 00:22:26.280
 If you can make it a little bit smaller, I think.

00:22:26.280 --> 00:22:32.220
 So while we're doing that, you're going to note that the report's a little, a little

00:22:32.220 --> 00:22:35.700
 different by working with Becky and her group.

00:22:35.700 --> 00:22:45.220
 We are consolidating the report into one report that we work on all on and off system projects.

00:22:45.220 --> 00:22:48.060
 So it'll cover both the on system and off.

00:22:48.060 --> 00:22:53.700
 And so we changed the name to reflect that it's more of a transportation mobility report

00:22:53.700 --> 00:22:58.620
 than it is just on system.

00:22:58.620 --> 00:23:10.260
 Give John Ryan full credit for advocating for that, the off system part.

00:23:10.260 --> 00:23:11.260
 All right.

00:23:11.260 --> 00:23:23.100
 You'll go to the page, I guess, where we start with 2181.

00:23:23.100 --> 00:23:30.940
 So on 2181 we've been working with tech start, we've got some issues related to coordination

00:23:30.940 --> 00:23:36.100
 and the contractor on some of their inspection processes.

00:23:36.100 --> 00:23:43.660
 I know that Becky and her team have been working fairly aggressively to address those issues.

00:23:43.660 --> 00:23:50.980
 And we had a quarterly meeting with the district yesterday afternoon and in light of some of

00:23:50.980 --> 00:23:55.420
 the comments and concerns that the city's had with the process, they're going to be

00:23:55.420 --> 00:24:03.820
 changing project managers to bring in somebody a little bit more skilled at the, this type

00:24:03.820 --> 00:24:13.100
 of project with a new project manager on the, on the project and then bringing in folks

00:24:13.100 --> 00:24:19.780
 from the Dallas district who have experience working with utility projects inside tech

00:24:19.780 --> 00:24:21.100
 start roadway projects.

00:24:21.100 --> 00:24:27.400
 So we're going to bring in new folks and have a little bit more closer coordination on this

00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:34.980
 project to make sure that we're not having as many issues as we've had in the past.

00:24:34.980 --> 00:24:35.980
 So that's 2181.

00:24:35.980 --> 00:24:39.900
 Unless anybody's got any questions, go to the next one.

00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:41.620
 I do have a quick question.

00:24:41.620 --> 00:24:43.140
 Yes, ma'am.

00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:50.940
 On that is the, the 2181 for the project manager, was that something included in the new contract

00:24:50.940 --> 00:24:56.860
 for tech start or is that like a city utilities contract?

00:24:56.860 --> 00:24:58.780
 I'm not sure I understand the question.

00:24:58.780 --> 00:24:59.780
 Okay.

00:24:59.780 --> 00:25:04.340
 So is it cause city is city of Denton doing the utilities and that's our, is it a project

00:25:04.340 --> 00:25:06.620
 manager for us or the project manager?

00:25:06.620 --> 00:25:09.860
 So text that's actually doing the project construction wise.

00:25:09.860 --> 00:25:16.180
 And so when they let the project, it included the city of Denton's utilities in that project.

00:25:16.180 --> 00:25:21.580
 So the city of Denton has an advanced funding agreement with tech start, where the city

00:25:21.580 --> 00:25:27.900
 will provide inspection of those services, but they make those communications and comments

00:25:27.900 --> 00:25:33.460
 to the tech start and then tech start addresses the issues with the contractor.

00:25:33.460 --> 00:25:40.420
 This particular contractor, both the prime and the sub are, are difficult to deal with.

00:25:40.420 --> 00:25:46.620
 And so the project manager that you see is Stacy clack from text that, and then their

00:25:46.620 --> 00:25:53.300
 inspector, they, they're, I would say young to the business of project management.

00:25:53.300 --> 00:25:55.660
 So we're bringing in next month.

00:25:55.660 --> 00:25:59.780
 You'll see it'll be Mark Ross is the project manager for tech start.

00:25:59.780 --> 00:26:05.380
 And what I was saying is that text that also does a lot of utility construction in the

00:26:05.380 --> 00:26:10.540
 Dallas area office for the city of Dallas for their water and wastewater.

00:26:10.540 --> 00:26:18.060
 So though that area office has more experience dealing with the unique issues that are associated

00:26:18.060 --> 00:26:19.700
 with utilities.

00:26:19.700 --> 00:26:25.020
 And so we're bringing in people who have a better understanding of what the city's concerns

00:26:25.020 --> 00:26:30.220
 are and more experienced project managers from this text outside.

00:26:30.220 --> 00:26:31.220
 Okay.

00:26:31.220 --> 00:26:32.220
 Okay.

00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:38.820
 And that's all covered in the contract costs from text that was a bit out.

00:26:38.820 --> 00:26:42.980
 So I'm not sure what you're asking on that.

00:26:42.980 --> 00:26:47.940
 There was a, the city is paying an X amount based on the advanced funding agreement and

00:26:47.940 --> 00:26:52.540
 the project management is, it's just part of the project management for the state to

00:26:52.540 --> 00:26:56.300
 build a road, which in this particular case includes the utilities.

00:26:56.300 --> 00:26:57.300
 Okay.

00:26:57.300 --> 00:27:02.020
 Well, I guess my question is usually when somebody new comes in, it's a different cost

00:27:02.020 --> 00:27:04.660
 and there's a different change to that.

00:27:04.660 --> 00:27:09.100
 So I was just making sure that all that was still covered in the original amount that

00:27:09.100 --> 00:27:14.700
 was just personnel from the, on the text outside, not the city and not the contractor, which

00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:18.220
 is bringing in people who know more about what, what they're doing than the ones we

00:27:18.220 --> 00:27:19.220
 currently have.

00:27:19.220 --> 00:27:20.220
 Okay.

00:27:20.220 --> 00:27:21.220
 That's good to know.

00:27:21.220 --> 00:27:22.220
 Thank you.

00:27:22.220 --> 00:27:23.220
 Okay.

00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:29.340
 Next one then, John, just real quickly at council member Briggs, just for clarification,

00:27:29.340 --> 00:27:32.460
 the city does have a project manager on that project.

00:27:32.460 --> 00:27:33.980
 You see his name listed there.

00:27:33.980 --> 00:27:36.380
 His name is Kyle pedigo.

00:27:36.380 --> 00:27:42.300
 And he is working with the internal coordination with tech start and has currently been coordinating

00:27:42.300 --> 00:27:47.600
 with Stacy clack, but we'll be coordinating with that new project manager.

00:27:47.600 --> 00:27:56.520
 So the city is managing internally that utility relocation and also providing construction

00:27:56.520 --> 00:27:59.900
 inspection from our public works inspection department.

00:27:59.900 --> 00:28:04.700
 But all of those correspondents go through text to the contractor.

00:28:04.700 --> 00:28:07.340
 So who, because that's who the contract is through.

00:28:07.340 --> 00:28:08.340
 Okay.

00:28:08.340 --> 00:28:09.340
 All right.

00:28:09.340 --> 00:28:10.340
 Thank you.

00:28:10.340 --> 00:28:11.340
 Absolutely.

00:28:11.340 --> 00:28:12.340
 Sorry, John, go ahead.

00:28:12.340 --> 00:28:18.540
 Thanks so the next one is your Fort Worth drive project, and if you'll go to the construction

00:28:18.540 --> 00:28:21.300
 section.

00:28:21.300 --> 00:28:24.660
 So we're on the on track for being done.

00:28:24.660 --> 00:28:32.820
 First part of February of next year, they continue to work on the payment and they had

00:28:32.820 --> 00:28:39.820
 a traffic switch around the 19th to the northbound side underneath the railroad track.

00:28:39.820 --> 00:28:43.140
 But again, this project's on track.

00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:50.060
 And it's a very swiftly with consular and they've text that has farmed this project

00:28:50.060 --> 00:28:54.060
 out to console or for project management.

00:28:54.060 --> 00:28:59.420
 And so they're, they're, they're our contact and this is this project seems to be going

00:28:59.420 --> 00:29:00.420
 fairly well.

00:29:00.420 --> 00:29:07.300
 If you recall, right before the whole COVID issue hit the city worked with tech start

00:29:07.300 --> 00:29:11.760
 on this project to allow them to work for a period of time at night.

00:29:11.760 --> 00:29:14.700
 And that caught them back up on schedule.

00:29:14.700 --> 00:29:22.900
 And so we're still on track for being substantially complete before Valentine's Day.

00:29:22.900 --> 00:29:27.940
 So I think that unless there's questions on Fort Worth drive, we go to the next one.

00:29:27.940 --> 00:29:31.660
 All right, 35 you may hill.

00:29:31.660 --> 00:29:37.060
 This is a project that the more we get into it, the more it's turning into a utility project

00:29:37.060 --> 00:29:38.900
 with a little bit of road.

00:29:38.900 --> 00:29:42.900
 You see a list of those utilities that are there and then on the next page are like three

00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:45.300
 or four more that we're having to deal with.

00:29:45.300 --> 00:29:49.300
 I think you jumped it.

00:29:49.300 --> 00:29:54.780
 Okay, no worries.

00:29:54.780 --> 00:29:59.580
 So it's a utility project that we're going to build a little bit of road and interchange

00:29:59.580 --> 00:30:01.420
 on it as well.

00:30:01.420 --> 00:30:10.060
 If you'll note the dollar amount as I highlighted, it was at about $46 million originally and

00:30:10.060 --> 00:30:16.460
 adding the northbound frontage road and those improvements up to 288 increased the cost.

00:30:16.460 --> 00:30:25.140
 And in August and September's commission action and RTC's action and the 10-year plan they

00:30:25.140 --> 00:30:33.500
 included an additional almost $20 million to bring this project to be fully funded.

00:30:33.500 --> 00:30:38.680
 So we added another $15, $18 million to the cost of the project.

00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:45.780
 We're still looking at being a ready to let date of April of '22.

00:30:45.780 --> 00:30:50.820
 And we anticipate having all the right of way acquired by the end of the year.

00:30:50.820 --> 00:30:58.020
 The critical path item on this is that we have some like the Exxon gas station there

00:30:58.020 --> 00:31:00.540
 at the state school.

00:31:00.540 --> 00:31:05.060
 It has a hazardous materials that we have to address and typically that's done during

00:31:05.060 --> 00:31:06.060
 construction.

00:31:06.060 --> 00:31:13.500
 But in this particular case where the hazardous material tanks are is where the utilities

00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:14.500
 have to relocate.

00:31:14.500 --> 00:31:21.900
 So we're reorienting that so the textile come in and remove the hazmat issue prior to construction

00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:26.300
 so that utilities can relocate where they need to relocate.

00:31:26.300 --> 00:31:29.300
 So again, it's fully funded.

00:31:29.300 --> 00:31:38.860
 Project is still tracking for a ready to let of April of '22.

00:31:38.860 --> 00:31:46.020
 And again, this is 12 lanes of traffic underneath as opposed to the 10 that you saw on Luke

00:31:46.020 --> 00:31:47.020
 288.

00:31:47.020 --> 00:31:52.860
 Unless you have any questions, we can go to the next one.

00:31:52.860 --> 00:31:54.060
 Okay.

00:31:54.060 --> 00:32:01.140
 So your Dallas Drive project, so as you've probably seen, we've got the restriping done

00:32:01.140 --> 00:32:05.500
 to have the Dallas Drive exit just be one single lane because there was some safety

00:32:05.500 --> 00:32:08.780
 issues with having the two lanes come into one.

00:32:08.780 --> 00:32:12.820
 It is been restriped for the single lane.

00:32:12.820 --> 00:32:22.000
 We are working with the area office and city staff to try to improve the access in that

00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:28.980
 area by closing the median so that as you're coming off of 35 going north onto Dallas Drive,

00:32:28.980 --> 00:32:36.580
 you can't make a left turn onto the frontage road because that's where a lot of the traffic

00:32:36.580 --> 00:32:38.200
 accidents occur.

00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:44.460
 So we're working on getting that that median opening closed in the interim.

00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:50.980
 And then as we move forward, we are working with the district on, as you see in this drawing,

00:32:50.980 --> 00:32:58.500
 what's happening here in the ultimate is you have direct connects from Dallas Drive to

00:32:58.500 --> 00:33:04.340
 the right side as opposed to the left side of the main lanes and to the to the managed

00:33:04.340 --> 00:33:05.340
 lanes.

00:33:05.340 --> 00:33:08.180
 Well, obviously the managed lanes don't exist there at this point.

00:33:08.180 --> 00:33:12.660
 So we're going to try to figure out how much of this we can pull out and construct so that

00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:18.020
 we can make the frontage road, northbound frontage road continuous and the access from

00:33:18.020 --> 00:33:21.700
 Dallas Drive to 35 safer.

00:33:21.700 --> 00:33:27.620
 But we're still in the process of trying to figure out how to unravel that sweater.

00:33:27.620 --> 00:33:34.460
 And I think that's unless you get questions on it, go to the next one.

00:33:34.460 --> 00:33:41.740
 All right, your 35E merge with W. Obviously, again, the dollar amount went up by another

00:33:41.740 --> 00:33:48.020
 16 million dollars to 335 million in this 10 year plan update.

00:33:48.020 --> 00:33:55.900
 So it is fully funded and we're still on track for June 22 ready to let and if we get it

00:33:55.900 --> 00:34:01.780
 done by then, then they'll be able to move the project up from January 23 to sometime

00:34:01.780 --> 00:34:05.300
 in 22 because it is fully funded.

00:34:05.300 --> 00:34:08.420
 Next one.

00:34:08.420 --> 00:34:15.380
 I have a question on that one because we I believe this is the one where the intersection

00:34:15.380 --> 00:34:18.420
 at 380 and I 35 is included.

00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:19.420
 Correct.

00:34:19.420 --> 00:34:20.540
 And it may be helpful.

00:34:20.540 --> 00:34:24.620
 I don't know if if we could pull that out as a separate item because I know there was

00:34:24.620 --> 00:34:30.860
 an a wreck in an article saying that there was some interim work or solutions being worked

00:34:30.860 --> 00:34:31.860
 out.

00:34:31.860 --> 00:34:34.860
 I know that we talk about it almost every time here at mobility.

00:34:34.860 --> 00:34:35.860
 Right.

00:34:35.860 --> 00:34:44.980
 Could you go over what those are and the timing of those interim fixes to help that area?

00:34:44.980 --> 00:34:50.140
 So not great news on that front.

00:34:50.140 --> 00:34:56.340
 You know, the ultimate plans call for braided ramps in this location because both the entrance

00:34:56.340 --> 00:35:01.900
 and exit needs for this stretch of highway are in the same location.

00:35:01.900 --> 00:35:09.780
 So we're going to have to be building braided ramps and text that looked at trying to do

00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:16.940
 that as an interim breakout project, but they felt like it was by the time they got it ready

00:35:16.940 --> 00:35:22.900
 to go, they would almost be ready for the entire project to go under construction.

00:35:22.900 --> 00:35:27.620
 So there's no there's no small fixes.

00:35:27.620 --> 00:35:29.820
 So all the fixes are large.

00:35:29.820 --> 00:35:35.300
 And by the time you get those in the queue and ready to work this project, it'll be pretty

00:35:35.300 --> 00:35:38.620
 close to being ready to let.

00:35:38.620 --> 00:35:44.860
 So in the interim, I don't think there are any that anybody that I've been able to talk

00:35:44.860 --> 00:35:48.420
 to and I think we've everybody comes up with the same ideas.

00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:56.060
 But then when you when you start pulling a thread on it, it it doesn't work.

00:35:56.060 --> 00:36:01.020
 So I would say I don't think there is an interim solution.

00:36:01.020 --> 00:36:03.900
 And so I don't think there is.

00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:10.660
 So there's nothing we could do with like lane markings or exiting or, you know, notification.

00:36:10.660 --> 00:36:17.620
 The problem is that the exit ramp for 380 is just right there at 380.

00:36:17.620 --> 00:36:27.220
 And the entrance ramp from 35W to come into the freeway is right there just south of that.

00:36:27.220 --> 00:36:34.020
 And so there is not enough room to put both movements, even to flip the movements doesn't

00:36:34.020 --> 00:36:37.060
 work.

00:36:37.060 --> 00:36:42.420
 So and all the markings that what I've been told by the district is they've maximized

00:36:42.420 --> 00:36:48.380
 the physical markings in the area as much as they can.

00:36:48.380 --> 00:36:55.140
 And I think, Brian, you've looked at the signal on that and tried to work on the timing as

00:36:55.140 --> 00:36:56.140
 best we can.

00:36:56.140 --> 00:37:05.580
 But it's just too many traffic too much traffic is in an area that's not able to handle it.

00:37:05.580 --> 00:37:10.940
 So yeah, we can keep looking, but right now, nobody's come up with a solution other than

00:37:10.940 --> 00:37:12.980
 to build the braided ramps.

00:37:12.980 --> 00:37:17.300
 And by the time we got those ready, the other the whole project would be ready to go to

00:37:17.300 --> 00:37:18.300
 construction.

00:37:18.300 --> 00:37:23.780
 Okay, I just see that 2023 date let date and that's kind of disappointing because I know

00:37:23.780 --> 00:37:28.620
 that this is really a pain and danger for many people.

00:37:28.620 --> 00:37:29.620
 So thank you.

00:37:29.620 --> 00:37:30.620
 Yes, ma'am.

00:37:30.620 --> 00:37:31.620
 Excuse me, John.

00:37:31.620 --> 00:37:40.500
 What about adding, you know, I'm sure everything is massively expensive, but it seems like part

00:37:40.500 --> 00:37:46.020
 of the issue is that you got a lane that goes away from the access road and merges right

00:37:46.020 --> 00:37:51.780
 into the other traffic coming off the highway from, you know, onto the access road.

00:37:51.780 --> 00:37:59.220
 What about adding a lane for just that little segment of the access road, you know, of the

00:37:59.220 --> 00:38:03.260
 exit so that they don't have to merge?

00:38:03.260 --> 00:38:04.260
 Right.

00:38:04.260 --> 00:38:09.380
 And they have looked at that, but the argument that the district's making from an operational

00:38:09.380 --> 00:38:14.300
 standpoint is the problem isn't the fact that that auxiliary lane isn't continuous.

00:38:14.300 --> 00:38:20.780
 The problem is, is that you have all the traffic from 35W that gets necked down to one lane

00:38:20.780 --> 00:38:27.620
 and is coming on to 35 exactly at the same location, but all the traffic on 35E that

00:38:27.620 --> 00:38:30.820
 wants to exit 380 is trying to get off.

00:38:30.820 --> 00:38:38.900
 So you've got both an on and off situation occurring at exactly the same distance.

00:38:38.900 --> 00:38:45.700
 And the only way to do that is to flip it, but once you flip it, then it opens up significant

00:38:45.700 --> 00:38:48.940
 other issues with the main lanes.

00:38:48.940 --> 00:38:53.780
 And then what's happening is if you look out there, the people are just using those Texas

00:38:53.780 --> 00:39:00.420
 exit ramps and they're just getting off early, so that we can continue to work on it.

00:39:00.420 --> 00:39:05.500
 We can continue to work with your staff to try to find something.

00:39:05.500 --> 00:39:13.100
 But to date, everything, once we get into it far enough to start seeing what the consequences

00:39:13.100 --> 00:39:17.660
 are, we end up getting to a fatal flaw.

00:39:17.660 --> 00:39:20.220
 What are the prospects for moving it up?

00:39:20.220 --> 00:39:28.380
 Well, we're shooting for the June 22 let date, and that's based on all those utilities and

00:39:28.380 --> 00:39:29.900
 the right-of-way needing to be acquired.

00:39:29.900 --> 00:39:34.060
 So if we hit those dates, we can move it up.

00:39:34.060 --> 00:39:38.380
 If we beat those dates, we can move it up, because again, as you see, we're fully funded

00:39:38.380 --> 00:39:41.780
 at the $335 million.

00:39:41.780 --> 00:39:47.380
 So the date that it's in, the let date, is just where they've got it slotted, but they

00:39:47.380 --> 00:39:51.060
 can move it up if we get it ready to let sooner.

00:39:51.060 --> 00:39:54.060
 And we are meeting city meets.

00:39:54.060 --> 00:39:59.820
 When we meet with TechStat in our every three-week or so meeting, this is one of the meeting

00:39:59.820 --> 00:40:05.380
 projects that we go over to make sure it stays on track and/or accelerates.

00:40:05.380 --> 00:40:13.060
 Is all that acquisition work a kind of thing that could get accelerated if more resources

00:40:13.060 --> 00:40:16.860
 get put on it, or is it like the same two people?

00:40:16.860 --> 00:40:21.820
 No, they actually have hired out a right-of-way agents on this.

00:40:21.820 --> 00:40:25.820
 They've got multiple right-of-way agents working on this.

00:40:25.820 --> 00:40:29.620
 So I think the right-of-way, we're planning on being done by the end of this year.

00:40:29.620 --> 00:40:32.500
 So I don't think the right-of-way is really the critical path at that point.

00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:38.140
 The city's got a significant amount of utilities in this corridor that need to be addressed.

00:40:38.140 --> 00:40:44.300
 Franchise utilities are all throughout this segment, and I think most of the critical

00:40:44.300 --> 00:40:51.580
 path items going forward from January 21 on is going to be the 18 months it takes to get

00:40:51.580 --> 00:40:53.300
 those utilities relocated.

00:40:53.300 --> 00:41:02.180
 I suspect Councilman Ryan would agree, and you can tell me if you don't, John, but I

00:41:02.180 --> 00:41:06.340
 think that is the intersection I hear about the most frequently.

00:41:06.340 --> 00:41:14.340
 So if there are clever ways to work that critical path, I'd certainly be supportive.

00:41:14.340 --> 00:41:16.340
 Yes, sir.

00:41:16.340 --> 00:41:18.020
 Yeah, I agree.

00:41:18.020 --> 00:41:19.020
 I agree.

00:41:19.020 --> 00:41:23.020
 And I think is there another exit like right before the 380, I think?

00:41:23.020 --> 00:41:27.220
 Is that what you're talking about when you're talking about flipping them, having one of

00:41:27.220 --> 00:41:28.740
 those, the exits?

00:41:28.740 --> 00:41:34.740
 I think there's an exit where it's just on and then having one of the exits where it's

00:41:34.740 --> 00:41:38.460
 just off instead of one doing both.

00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:42.140
 So you have an exit ramp for 380 just south of 380.

00:41:42.140 --> 00:41:44.660
 So it's what we call a diamond interchange.

00:41:44.660 --> 00:41:53.460
 So you exit the freeway very close to 380, and what transpires is that there's so much

00:41:53.460 --> 00:42:00.780
 traffic wanting to get off at 380 that it rolls up onto the main lanes and it goes past

00:42:00.780 --> 00:42:09.180
 that auxiliary lane, and then it starts to encroach in the on ramp or where 35W comes

00:42:09.180 --> 00:42:14.740
 around, which reduces the single lane, and then it has to merge to get onto the main

00:42:14.740 --> 00:42:15.740
 lanes.

00:42:15.740 --> 00:42:23.700
 That traffic that's trying to exit, it's backed up all the way to the entrance ramp for 35W.

00:42:23.700 --> 00:42:28.900
 And so the reason you can't flip it, right, is because the traffic from 35W has to get

00:42:28.900 --> 00:42:35.580
 on the freeway somewhere around the merge.

00:42:35.580 --> 00:42:42.580
 You can't carry them up to like an X ramp where you let them get on the freeway right

00:42:42.580 --> 00:42:48.300
 before they get to 380 and take the traffic off back by the merge because the traffic

00:42:48.300 --> 00:42:56.140
 for 35W has to go somewhere immediately because the freeway ends.

00:42:56.140 --> 00:43:01.620
 It is a horrible scenario, and that's why this project got picked up for clear lanes

00:43:01.620 --> 00:43:07.320
 and was easily able to pick up another 16 million dollars in this last update because

00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:13.980
 this is for North Texas, this is probably the worst section of 35 left in North Texas

00:43:13.980 --> 00:43:14.980
 to resolve.

00:43:14.980 --> 00:43:20.460
 I wonder why it wasn't sort of more obvious in the design phase that this would be a problem.

00:43:20.460 --> 00:43:22.180
 Anyway, I'm no expert.

00:43:22.180 --> 00:43:29.380
 The design phase does pick up the issue, and that's when we put in the braided ramps and

00:43:29.380 --> 00:43:32.020
 we also add additional capacity.

00:43:32.020 --> 00:43:33.020
 I mean originally.

00:43:33.020 --> 00:43:42.540
 Yeah, on the interim project that we just did with AECOM, not AECOM, AGL, it went all

00:43:42.540 --> 00:43:49.540
 the way to 380, but we had to drop the manage lane south of Denton because of right-of-way

00:43:49.540 --> 00:43:50.540
 issues.

00:43:50.540 --> 00:43:57.380
 And so we had to build, we added additional capacity to the main lanes, but we didn't

00:43:57.380 --> 00:44:02.940
 fix any of the access problems because back then they just didn't have enough money to

00:44:02.940 --> 00:44:03.940
 do it all.

00:44:03.940 --> 00:44:04.940
 Yeah.

00:44:04.940 --> 00:44:05.940
 All right.

00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:07.940
 Council Member Briggs, you wanted to say something?

00:44:07.940 --> 00:44:08.940
 Yes.

00:44:08.940 --> 00:44:09.940
 Yeah.

00:44:09.940 --> 00:44:10.940
 No, that's what I was going to say.

00:44:10.940 --> 00:44:14.620
 I mean, that's why you hear people saying it was fine, now it's worse before they tried

00:44:14.620 --> 00:44:18.180
 to fix it, but I don't know that anyone tried to fix anything.

00:44:18.180 --> 00:44:21.340
 It's just kind of what happened.

00:44:21.340 --> 00:44:28.180
 So I am in agreement with the Chair here that if there's anything we can do on the city

00:44:28.180 --> 00:44:35.660
 side or TxDOT to call attention to this before the next few years, I'd like to try to do

00:44:35.660 --> 00:44:36.660
 that.

00:44:36.660 --> 00:44:45.420
 I think we'll all keep it on the list to try to find something to do in the interim.

00:44:45.420 --> 00:44:50.860
 I think one of the things that has made it worse in the last four or five months is with

00:44:50.860 --> 00:44:57.260
 the construction on Bonnebray, those who used to exit Bonnebray off of 35E are now trying

00:44:57.260 --> 00:45:01.860
 to continue on and going up to 380 to get off because of our construction there.

00:45:01.860 --> 00:45:07.180
 So it's just moving around and the quicker we can get Bonnebray completed, I mean, that's

00:45:07.180 --> 00:45:13.180
 going to be for city, within the city, it's going to be an alternate route when this goes

00:45:13.180 --> 00:45:14.180
 under construction.

00:45:14.180 --> 00:45:16.940
 So that needs to be a top priority for us as well.

00:45:16.940 --> 00:45:17.940
 Yeah.

00:45:17.940 --> 00:45:18.940
 That's a really good point.

00:45:18.940 --> 00:45:23.700
 That is the whole point of the Bonnebray project is to serve that purpose.

00:45:23.700 --> 00:45:24.700
 Okay.

00:45:24.700 --> 00:45:26.700
 Carry on, John.

00:45:26.700 --> 00:45:27.700
 All right.

00:45:27.700 --> 00:45:28.700
 Next project.

00:45:28.700 --> 00:45:29.700
 All right.

00:45:29.700 --> 00:45:32.340
 So this is the northern segment.

00:45:32.340 --> 00:45:34.980
 This is kind of on its own critical path.

00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:44.980
 Once you get past 77, it becomes less of an issue for the city, but it did have a cost

00:45:44.980 --> 00:45:52.140
 under run, so we had to add additional funds and now between the two projects, we're clipping

00:45:52.140 --> 00:45:54.940
 towards a billion dollars worth of improvements.

00:45:54.940 --> 00:45:59.020
 We're making to 35 from the merge to the county line.

00:45:59.020 --> 00:46:06.780
 So hopefully in a few years, it'll be much better than it is now.

00:46:06.780 --> 00:46:10.420
 I think the next project in case there's any questions.

00:46:10.420 --> 00:46:12.220
 So we've got the main lanes.

00:46:12.220 --> 00:46:13.220
 We'll skip this.

00:46:13.220 --> 00:46:17.900
 The only thing we need to know is the text that's got AT&T on contract to do the design,

00:46:17.900 --> 00:46:24.780
 but if you go to the next project sheet, the interim frontage road projects are things that

00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:33.820
 we need to focus on, and we've gotten a request from Hillwood to build part of the frontage

00:46:33.820 --> 00:46:38.860
 road system from 407 North on the southbound side.

00:46:38.860 --> 00:46:44.820
 And meeting with text that yesterday, they are starting to begin the process of putting

00:46:44.820 --> 00:46:50.400
 together the protocol for bringing these projects forward and breakouts.

00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:57.740
 So I would say probably in the next couple of months, we need to work with staff and

00:46:57.740 --> 00:47:06.660
 policy officials of the city to identify those areas y'all want us to focus on for interim

00:47:06.660 --> 00:47:12.460
 projects, because we don't have to build the whole frontage road system in this area once

00:47:12.460 --> 00:47:14.580
 we can build them where it makes sense.

00:47:14.580 --> 00:47:17.700
 >> I have a question.

00:47:17.700 --> 00:47:23.060
 When a developer reaches out and asks for something or has a specific thing, I mean,

00:47:23.060 --> 00:47:30.980
 I'm kind of going back to where the Bucky situation, do they -- I guess, do they -- can

00:47:30.980 --> 00:47:37.100
 they pay for that or is that just something if it's already in the text.plans that text.plans

00:47:37.100 --> 00:47:42.860
 pays for, or would that be something that they could pay to get it done sooner?

00:47:42.860 --> 00:47:45.020
 >> So they can pay to get it done sooner.

00:47:45.020 --> 00:47:56.180
 I have not actually seen a developer put money into an interstate, like, for example, on

00:47:56.180 --> 00:48:03.340
 this project that Hillwood wants to expedite, they've already got H&PB under contract to

00:48:03.340 --> 00:48:04.340
 do the design.

00:48:04.340 --> 00:48:10.700
 The project's already environmentally cleared, and so the critical path item is utilities

00:48:10.700 --> 00:48:11.700
 and right-of-way.

00:48:11.700 --> 00:48:16.380
 Well, Hillwood owns all the right-of-way for the frontage road that they want built, and

00:48:16.380 --> 00:48:22.260
 so part of the negotiations that is from a county standpoint, we would argue, is that

00:48:22.260 --> 00:48:28.660
 if they want us to expedite that segment of frontage road, they need to donate the right-of-way,

00:48:28.660 --> 00:48:30.180
 and that's a cost to them.

00:48:30.180 --> 00:48:33.900
 I mean, there's value to that frontage.

00:48:33.900 --> 00:48:41.420
 And then as a -- and then if we get the right-of-way donated, it starts already doing the design,

00:48:41.420 --> 00:48:46.120
 the funding is not there for this project yet, and Hillwood did ask if there was a way

00:48:46.120 --> 00:48:52.540
 to front the money, if they could get paid back, and the answer is no, the state doesn't

00:48:52.540 --> 00:48:54.760
 have that mechanism.

00:48:54.760 --> 00:49:00.460
 And so it's just a matter of identifying where we want to move forward on these projects,

00:49:00.460 --> 00:49:06.020
 and then once I'm told this is where the city wants to start, the right-of-way can be taken

00:49:06.020 --> 00:49:10.620
 care of if the developer is on board, the utilities will be its own issue, and so it's

00:49:10.620 --> 00:49:14.060
 just a matter of us going and finding the construction dollars.

00:49:14.060 --> 00:49:19.400
 Okay, thank you.

00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:22.460
 So next project, if we don't have any questions.

00:49:22.460 --> 00:49:26.740
 So this is your 380 project out to 377.

00:49:26.740 --> 00:49:29.420
 The city has turned in their funding.

00:49:29.420 --> 00:49:38.900
 We should have a scheduled kickoff meeting probably sometime in November for this project,

00:49:38.900 --> 00:49:46.580
 and so the next thing you should start seeing is the contractor will provide us with a phase

00:49:46.580 --> 00:49:52.140
 schedule and we'll be able to start reporting to you the status of the construction of the

00:49:52.140 --> 00:49:54.500
 project.

00:49:54.500 --> 00:50:03.020
 So this has gone from project delivery to construction probably in our next meeting.

00:50:03.020 --> 00:50:04.700
 Next project.

00:50:04.700 --> 00:50:18.780
 380 East, this is a segment east of 377, and again, the right-of-way has been completed.

00:50:18.780 --> 00:50:23.140
 Utilities, I think this is the one that's on more than one page.

00:50:23.140 --> 00:50:32.860
 Utilities are tragic in this area and includes the Denton ISD School District with Braswell,

00:50:32.860 --> 00:50:40.720
 and so if we go back to the previous page, we've got a ready-to-let date of May at 21,

00:50:40.720 --> 00:50:44.820
 and that's when it's scheduled, and I'll be honest with you, we're going to be hard-pressed

00:50:44.820 --> 00:50:50.020
 to make that date just because of the impacts we're having with utilities.

00:50:50.020 --> 00:50:55.680
 So I look to have this project probably move a little bit.

00:50:55.680 --> 00:51:00.380
 We had to increase the funding of this project to 140.

00:51:00.380 --> 00:51:08.860
 It was around 130 last time we met, and yeah, so the utilities are killing us on this project.

00:51:08.860 --> 00:51:16.220
 Unless you have any questions, we'll go to the next project.

00:51:16.220 --> 00:51:23.100
 Luke 288 West, okay, so we bought the project environmentally cleared last month, so we're

00:51:23.100 --> 00:51:25.100
 ready to go into design.

00:51:25.100 --> 00:51:32.420
 First that's asked the county to pick up the design cost on this project, so depending

00:51:32.420 --> 00:51:39.620
 upon what we're going to do, we've already started the right-of-way mapping on this project,

00:51:39.620 --> 00:51:45.540
 so we're going to be acquiring all the right-of-way that's needed for Luke 288 for a controlled

00:51:45.540 --> 00:51:51.380
 access freeway, but we'll be designing and building just the northbound frontage road

00:51:51.380 --> 00:52:01.580
 first, but in order to do that, Chang Patel will have to design pretty far along the entire

00:52:01.580 --> 00:52:08.820
 project so that they know where the northbound frontage road lies in relationship to the

00:52:08.820 --> 00:52:14.540
 road, and it'll also include, this initial phase will also include grade separations

00:52:14.540 --> 00:52:23.300
 at 380 and the railroad track so that we'll address those major crossings in its first

00:52:23.300 --> 00:52:32.500
 phase, so I look to have Chang Patel on contract for the design work probably first quarter

00:52:32.500 --> 00:52:41.080
 of next year, and that's when we'll start more intense coordination with the city related

00:52:41.080 --> 00:52:47.220
 to the specific needs they have for that project.

00:52:47.220 --> 00:52:50.740
 - I have a question.

00:52:50.740 --> 00:52:56.500
 On this one, because it says environmental clearance was received September 2020, and

00:52:56.500 --> 00:53:01.420
 I know that we have the first part of this project with the frontage roads, it'll be

00:53:01.420 --> 00:53:11.020
 a lot sooner, hopefully, than that date, 2026, so does the environmental clearance last

00:53:11.020 --> 00:53:19.160
 six years or would just starting the project with the frontage roads, how does that work?

00:53:19.160 --> 00:53:20.940
 - That's a good question.

00:53:20.940 --> 00:53:26.260
 So back in the day, they used to have shelf life of about three years for these environmental

00:53:26.260 --> 00:53:31.840
 documents, and then what happened is they would have to go through a process when they

00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:39.820
 go to construction is identify continuous activity on the project, well, the continuous

00:53:39.820 --> 00:53:47.180
 activity can include the utility relocations, et cetera, and the right-of-way acquisition,

00:53:47.180 --> 00:53:55.540
 and so the feds over time relaxed that shelf life issue, and now there's no expiration

00:53:55.540 --> 00:54:06.460
 on the environmental document, but between September of 2020 and April of 2026, when

00:54:06.460 --> 00:54:12.700
 we go to go to construction on this project, there will probably be what's called a reevaluation

00:54:12.700 --> 00:54:23.260
 right before the project is awarded to pick up all the things that they didn't find during

00:54:23.260 --> 00:54:28.300
 the schematic phase that we find during design, so there'll be areas where we need additional

00:54:28.300 --> 00:54:32.860
 right-of-way for drainage, there'll be areas where we had to tweak the alignment, and all

00:54:32.860 --> 00:54:43.620
 of those will be picked up right before the project is awarded through a reevaluation.

00:54:43.620 --> 00:54:46.180
 - Okay.

00:54:46.180 --> 00:54:53.700
 - Next project, 1515, this is another project, TxDOT's asked Denton County to do the PS&A

00:54:53.700 --> 00:55:01.100
 on, so again, first part of next year, we should have LTRA on contract.

00:55:01.100 --> 00:55:08.580
 We selected them for everything, both Chank Patel and LTRA were selected to do everything,

00:55:08.580 --> 00:55:15.620
 and so we're just getting a scope from them and a fee to do the PS&A phase, and so we

00:55:15.620 --> 00:55:22.620
 should have them on contract first part of next year, first quarter.

00:55:22.620 --> 00:55:27.340
 - On this project, is this the one with the traffic circle?

00:55:27.340 --> 00:55:29.820
 - Yes, ma'am, at Western.

00:55:29.820 --> 00:55:39.100
 - Okay, and when you do a project like this, does it include the side paths or sidewalks?

00:55:39.100 --> 00:55:40.820
 - Yes, ma'am.

00:55:40.820 --> 00:55:47.260
 In all TxDOT projects now, they do sidewalks, minimum of sidewalks, five-foot sidewalks

00:55:47.260 --> 00:55:57.860
 on both sides, and I got to go back and check, because we cleared this in August, whether

00:55:57.860 --> 00:56:01.780
 or not we have a 14-foot outside lane, because that used to be also a requirement to have

00:56:01.780 --> 00:56:08.220
 a 14-foot outside lane, but I think they've gotten rid of that requirement recently, and

00:56:08.220 --> 00:56:10.340
 they just go to a 12-foot outside lane.

00:56:10.340 --> 00:56:12.940
 - Okay, thank you.

00:56:12.940 --> 00:56:21.660
 - Next, 1173, this is a project into CRUM, we'll continue to work on it, Garver is doing

00:56:21.660 --> 00:56:27.740
 the environmental clearance, we expect to be cleared March next year, and then we'll

00:56:27.740 --> 00:56:33.980
 roll into right-of-acquisition and utility relocation, it's a little over $50 million,

00:56:33.980 --> 00:56:39.500
 we don't have the funding for it, but I'm fairly confident by the time we need it, we'll

00:56:39.500 --> 00:56:47.220
 have it funded, and it's consistent, the Bartow Road alignment is consistent with what we're

00:56:47.220 --> 00:56:54.660
 putting in the 35 project that was funded, that we went over earlier for the merge project.

00:56:54.660 --> 00:57:02.260
 - Next, integrated corridor, I'm going to get you a better map, because I think Becky

00:57:02.260 --> 00:57:09.900
 received a better update from folks last week, earlier this week, but essentially we'll focus

00:57:09.900 --> 00:57:18.900
 in on the Denton County portion in general and in the city portion in particular, but

00:57:18.900 --> 00:57:27.580
 this encompasses loop 288, 428, and the integrated east-west corridor, north and south of 380,

00:57:27.580 --> 00:57:33.020
 and the outer loop, so it picks up everything, and I think we've got, we had a conversation,

00:57:33.020 --> 00:57:35.780
 was that yesterday, Becky?

00:57:35.780 --> 00:57:47.180
 It seems like a long time ago, getting old, and so we'll refine what we present, and the

00:57:47.180 --> 00:57:55.020
 bottom line is I think that right now the integrated corridor is premature for significant

00:57:55.020 --> 00:58:01.780
 public involvement, because COG hasn't even run modeling numbers on these alignments,

00:58:01.780 --> 00:58:06.100
 so they're not even sure if they warrant at this point, so I think we're going to back

00:58:06.100 --> 00:58:12.820
 up a little bit on the communication side of it, but we're going to be continuing to

00:58:12.820 --> 00:58:18.860
 pursue it at the staff level with both Tex.com and COG.

00:58:18.860 --> 00:58:24.740
 Mr. Polster, on this project, is this the one that a lot of it significantly goes through

00:58:24.740 --> 00:58:27.900
 our greenbelt and ESAs?

00:58:27.900 --> 00:58:31.100
 Yes, ma'am.

00:58:31.100 --> 00:58:38.380
 Okay, and we're not, you said we're pulling back on this a little bit, not quite ready,

00:58:38.380 --> 00:58:41.740
 because I mean, I know that I'm concerned about some of it.

00:58:41.740 --> 00:58:47.340
 Correct, and I think that at the staff level, policy level, city level, you know, between

00:58:47.340 --> 00:58:55.800
 the Tex.com and MPO and the city and the county, we all need to have a conversation internally,

00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:00.900
 but I don't think it's ready for public involvement, because we don't really even know if any of

00:59:00.900 --> 00:59:09.980
 these warrant, and so we do know that the city and core and the county all have concerns

00:59:09.980 --> 00:59:13.340
 about the impacts to the greenbelt.

00:59:13.340 --> 00:59:17.940
 There's a reason why it's there, and so we just think that it's premature, because we

00:59:17.940 --> 00:59:23.740
 really don't have anything we can tell anybody, the public on this, and people are already

00:59:23.740 --> 00:59:27.300
 deciding they're not going to plant their spring garden, because they think we're going

00:59:27.300 --> 00:59:31.700
 to take it for this road, and we're not even anywhere near even knowing what the alignment

00:59:31.700 --> 00:59:32.700
 is.

00:59:32.700 --> 00:59:36.220
 So I think when I say pull back, it's the public side of it.

00:59:36.220 --> 00:59:42.980
 Internally, staffs from all these organizations need to work to vet what we all think about

00:59:42.980 --> 00:59:45.460
 this integrated corridor concept.

00:59:45.460 --> 00:59:47.740
 Well, thank you for the clarification.

00:59:47.740 --> 00:59:51.980
 I know I've heard a lot of people concerned, so I appreciate you speaking to it.

00:59:51.980 --> 00:59:52.980
 Yes, ma'am.

00:59:52.980 --> 00:59:59.300
 It really does make you wonder what exactly is the huge pressing demand that this will

00:59:59.300 --> 01:00:04.580
 meet that will make our lives better, that's better than what we will lose.

01:00:04.580 --> 01:00:09.340
 Okay, so excellent question, and that's why we're going to get you some more detailed

01:00:09.340 --> 01:00:16.780
 information on your report, but the 2045 projections for 380, which is that D alignment, the purple

01:00:16.780 --> 01:00:23.940
 one where the 380 currently exists, where we're coming in and doing a $140 million super

01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:29.420
 street where we're adding a sixth, fifth and sixth lane and grade separations at five locations,

01:00:29.420 --> 01:00:33.820
 that doesn't, that won't carry the traffic that's needed, because the traffic projections

01:00:33.820 --> 01:00:40.020
 are in the 80,000 vehicles per day, which is freeway volumes.

01:00:40.020 --> 01:00:46.820
 And so technically speaking, 380 shouldn't be an arterial or a super street, it should

01:00:46.820 --> 01:00:52.180
 be a freeway with frontage roads and main lanes.

01:00:52.180 --> 01:01:00.660
 But that would decimate all of the development east of 377 as it goes north and all of 380,

01:01:00.660 --> 01:01:04.540
 that whole corridor would just have to be torn down and started over.

01:01:04.540 --> 01:01:06.340
 And nobody's got the stomach for that.

01:01:06.340 --> 01:01:11.940
 So we got to find some thing that carries the traffic east-west in this area that's

01:01:11.940 --> 01:01:19.020
 not 380 and that's not as far north as that blue line, which is the outer loop.

01:01:19.020 --> 01:01:25.420
 Or we just ignore it and don't do anything, which, you know, who knows what's going to

01:01:25.420 --> 01:01:26.420
 happen.

01:01:26.420 --> 01:01:31.820
 But there's a driving, there's a drive, there's a need for some additional infrastructure

01:01:31.820 --> 01:01:38.340
 in this area and what County's thoroughfare plan demonstrated is that you need all three

01:01:38.340 --> 01:01:39.340
 of these corridors.

01:01:39.340 --> 01:01:42.840
 You need to make the improvements to 380 that are proposed.

01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:48.420
 You need the outer loop, but you also need a mid-range project somewhere between the

01:01:48.420 --> 01:01:49.420
 two.

01:01:49.420 --> 01:01:53.300
 That's another one where you wonder, I mean, I don't know if I would have been smart enough

01:01:53.300 --> 01:01:59.260
 to see it, but, you know, if we could have all seen that eventually this is going to

01:01:59.260 --> 01:02:02.980
 be needed, then maybe we wouldn't have built the strip malls right up close to the narrow

01:02:02.980 --> 01:02:03.980
 road.

01:02:03.980 --> 01:02:06.020
 So Denton County saw the issue back.

01:02:06.020 --> 01:02:12.860
 This was back when Cynthia Watt was the County Commissioner and we put in a policy and we

01:02:12.860 --> 01:02:18.900
 tried to protect it, that corridor, not tell how that corridor developed the way it did,

01:02:18.900 --> 01:02:28.660
 but developers went around the County, those communities out there, they had those districts

01:02:28.660 --> 01:02:36.580
 that were created without our consent and yeah, we tried to stop them, but we were,

01:02:36.580 --> 01:02:44.220
 we had, we don't, the County level at the point didn't have the power to stop it and

01:02:44.220 --> 01:02:52.860
 text that doesn't stop those things.

01:02:52.860 --> 01:02:59.700
 Next, here we get into the more city type projects.

01:02:59.700 --> 01:03:09.100
 So Bonnie Bray phase six is the section that we're working with the MPO on for funding

01:03:09.100 --> 01:03:17.660
 and timing on it and so we continue to move forward with this project as a total package

01:03:17.660 --> 01:03:23.860
 for all of Bonnie Bray and this is the one that we're focused on right now.

01:03:23.860 --> 01:03:32.860
 Now what the city is focusing on, just generally speaking, as we go forward in these projects

01:03:32.860 --> 01:03:42.300
 is getting funding for Bonnie Bray, Hickory, Crete, and the backfill on May Hill and so

01:03:42.300 --> 01:03:46.980
 Bonnie Bray is the one that we got to work on the most, I guess, because we've gotten

01:03:46.980 --> 01:03:48.740
 some successes on the other two.

01:03:48.740 --> 01:03:56.260
 So I think first quarter next year, we should be able to give you a better idea on the successes

01:03:56.260 --> 01:04:00.660
 we've had with the funding on these Bonnie Bray phases.

01:04:00.660 --> 01:04:02.820
 We want to go to the next one.

01:04:02.820 --> 01:04:11.920
 This is phase seven and this is a segment north of 77 and COG has committed again in

01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:17.560
 our last meeting with them that they are aware that this is theirs to fund.

01:04:17.560 --> 01:04:24.420
 So that $10 million that it'll take to do those improvements, COG has said that this

01:04:24.420 --> 01:04:34.500
 is on their column to do, there won't be any city funding requests for this.

01:04:34.500 --> 01:04:43.700
 So if you go to the next one, okay, so May Hill, last Friday, the 23rd, the city submitted

01:04:43.700 --> 01:04:48.500
 a tip modification to COG.

01:04:48.500 --> 01:04:58.460
 We've already been prior approved for an additional $4 million in construction on that the green

01:04:58.460 --> 01:05:02.540
 segment, I believe, it doesn't matter.

01:05:02.540 --> 01:05:09.660
 We needed another $4 million and we submitted that tip mod last Friday and once it goes

01:05:09.660 --> 01:05:13.340
 through the process, those funds will be made available to the city, they'll be wired to

01:05:13.340 --> 01:05:15.380
 you and we'll be able to finish this project.

01:05:15.380 --> 01:05:19.380
 So we were told to submit it the way we submitted it.

01:05:19.380 --> 01:05:25.060
 So I'm fairly confident the COG staff will get it approved at the RTC level.

01:05:25.060 --> 01:05:31.020
 And once it's approved at the RTC level, that means we have the money and it's just a matter

01:05:31.020 --> 01:05:35.420
 of getting the state and the feds put it in their system.

01:05:35.420 --> 01:05:39.940
 So good news on the three projects that we're trying to get funded, May Hill, Hicker Creek

01:05:39.940 --> 01:05:45.860
 and Bonnebrae, today we can tell you that that tip mod that we submitted basically closes

01:05:45.860 --> 01:05:52.740
 out the financial books for May Hill so we don't have to worry about the additional funding

01:05:52.740 --> 01:05:53.740
 from the city.

01:05:53.740 --> 01:05:54.740
 - Mr. Polster?

01:05:54.740 --> 01:05:55.740
 - Yes, ma'am.

01:05:55.740 --> 01:06:01.260
 - On this one, on the green, is this the section where you had to work with Medical City?

01:06:01.260 --> 01:06:07.420
 I know that they had a lot of questions about right away and stuff.

01:06:07.420 --> 01:06:15.000
 Is that this area and has that been communicated and taken care of or is this a different project?

01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:20.580
 - So the stuff that we're working with Medical City on was for the May Hill interchange in

01:06:20.580 --> 01:06:24.580
 the frontage road that goes along the front of their building where we had to have them

01:06:24.580 --> 01:06:25.740
 move their sign.

01:06:25.740 --> 01:06:32.980
 So there is some impacts to the hospital on the May Hill portion, but it only goes back

01:06:32.980 --> 01:06:34.620
 so far.

01:06:34.620 --> 01:06:40.100
 So in this particular segment, the impacts that we had with the hospital were due to

01:06:40.100 --> 01:06:46.260
 the interchange project that we were doing with TechStop that's a breakout project.

01:06:46.260 --> 01:06:48.260
 - Okay.

01:06:48.260 --> 01:06:50.620
 - So we'll move to the next one.

01:06:50.620 --> 01:06:55.620
 So McKinney, we continue to develop this project.

01:06:55.620 --> 01:06:56.860
 We're just putting in the report.

01:06:56.860 --> 01:07:04.900
 I think if you got questions, the staff will have to give you an update on it.

01:07:04.900 --> 01:07:07.500
 If not, that's where we're at.

01:07:07.500 --> 01:07:08.660
 - I have a question.

01:07:08.660 --> 01:07:12.140
 I didn't get to ask it yesterday.

01:07:12.140 --> 01:07:21.260
 I did see kids trying to cross McKinney there at the Ryan entrance because the construction

01:07:21.260 --> 01:07:25.540
 has taken away the sidewalk there on the Ryan side.

01:07:25.540 --> 01:07:31.780
 So kids are actually trying to, they're moving over to the other side and trying to cross

01:07:31.780 --> 01:07:32.780
 the street.

01:07:32.780 --> 01:07:39.380
 But I don't think that there is a crosswalk button or anything there for their safety

01:07:39.380 --> 01:07:42.740
 except for the red light to change.

01:07:42.740 --> 01:07:49.420
 In the future, is that planned for a better intersection there for pedestrians to cross?

01:07:49.420 --> 01:07:55.820
 Because I think that bus stop is on that side of the road too.

01:07:55.820 --> 01:08:01.500
 - Council Member Briggs, we will have to look into that and look at that actual intersection

01:08:01.500 --> 01:08:07.780
 and make sure that we have evaluated what's gonna happen as far as the crosswalk at Ryan

01:08:07.780 --> 01:08:10.980
 High School and we can report back to you on that.

01:08:10.980 --> 01:08:11.980
 - Okay.

01:08:11.980 --> 01:08:12.980
 Thank you.

01:08:12.980 --> 01:08:15.980
 - Yes, ma'am.

01:08:15.980 --> 01:08:26.380
 - Okay, so Hickory Creek, good news at the ESTAC meeting on Friday, one of the requests

01:08:26.380 --> 01:08:31.900
 the city made in the interim, 'cause we're doing this in multiple phases was an additional

01:08:31.900 --> 01:08:37.900
 $10 million on the blue section.

01:08:37.900 --> 01:08:41.220
 And so we're eating this a little bit at a time.

01:08:41.220 --> 01:08:47.420
 And so the most recent request from the city to cog was for additional $10 million in that

01:08:47.420 --> 01:08:48.420
 blue segment.

01:08:48.420 --> 01:08:56.660
 And at ESTAC, the technical committee approved the additional $10 million for this project

01:08:56.660 --> 01:09:01.780
 and we'll go to RTC in two weeks once it's approved.

01:09:01.780 --> 01:09:06.140
 Then it's just a matter of getting it in the state plan and the fed plan.

01:09:06.140 --> 01:09:12.540
 But what we'll be able to tell you next month once RTC approves it, that we've got the additional

01:09:12.540 --> 01:09:20.700
 10 million for this project that we were asking cog for.

01:09:20.700 --> 01:09:26.860
 So we'll be fleshing this out as we get the information.

01:09:26.860 --> 01:09:28.380
 This is a working document.

01:09:28.380 --> 01:09:33.840
 We just put all the off-system projects in this report, so we'll be filling this stuff

01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:37.180
 out with more detail as we develop the report.

01:09:37.180 --> 01:09:43.940
 So, and then that's it for my report.

01:09:43.940 --> 01:09:48.680
 I don't have any questions.

01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:53.340
 - Anyone, or should we, ready to move on?

01:09:53.340 --> 01:09:57.580
 I think you got your questions along the way.

01:09:57.580 --> 01:09:58.580
 So thank you very much.

01:09:58.580 --> 01:10:07.460
 - Now what happens, do we keep, is there more, you know, on the off-system?

01:10:07.460 --> 01:10:11.460
 - No, sir.

01:10:11.460 --> 01:10:14.860
 He's completed with his report and we can move on to the next agenda item.

01:10:14.860 --> 01:10:15.860
 - Okay.

01:10:15.860 --> 01:10:16.860
 Very good.

01:10:16.860 --> 01:10:18.900
 Thanks for clarifying that.

01:10:18.900 --> 01:10:25.420
 So that concludes item C. We'll now move to item D, staff update regarding bollards for

01:10:25.420 --> 01:10:30.100
 closing downtown streets, Alice University pedestrian access, election day polling location

01:10:30.100 --> 01:10:35.100
 accessibility slash detour plans, and senior transportation planner slash ADA coordinator

01:10:35.100 --> 01:10:36.980
 position status.

01:10:36.980 --> 01:10:43.100
 - Good morning everyone, Brian Jahn, city traffic engineer.

01:10:43.100 --> 01:10:58.900
 Let me find, okay, I'm not gonna be able to make this full screen, Billy, so I'm just

01:10:58.900 --> 01:11:00.620
 gonna go through it.

01:11:00.620 --> 01:11:02.580
 So we have four topics today.

01:11:02.580 --> 01:11:06.660
 The first one is the bollards for closing downtown.

01:11:06.660 --> 01:11:11.740
 This has been on our list for quite some time and basically what I put together is a kind

01:11:11.740 --> 01:11:12.740
 of a summary.

01:11:12.740 --> 01:11:21.820
 We don't, we don't have a plan, but this will allow us to develop a plan to move forward.

01:11:21.820 --> 01:11:27.820
 So four types of bollards, four purposes, embedded bollards, surface mounted bollards,

01:11:27.820 --> 01:11:30.860
 rebounding bollards, and then the retractable and removable.

01:11:30.860 --> 01:11:36.180
 So for our discussion purposes, we're talking about the operations around the downtown square.

01:11:36.180 --> 01:11:41.840
 Currently, we use either vehicles or barricades to block those roadways when we have a function

01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:42.840
 around the square.

01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:51.740
 And we're, the purpose of this item was to identify a safer and a little bit more appropriate

01:11:51.740 --> 01:11:55.080
 way to block those streets on a regular basis.

01:11:55.080 --> 01:12:01.220
 So based on that, any kind of a permanent bollard really doesn't apply.

01:12:01.220 --> 01:12:06.140
 And certainly the rebounding bollards, which is something that we use along our bike lanes

01:12:06.140 --> 01:12:07.780
 now, doesn't apply.

01:12:07.780 --> 01:12:11.700
 So we're really only looking at that last section of retractable removal.

01:12:11.700 --> 01:12:16.380
 So it's kind of a decision, do we want to have a permanent bollard that either retracts

01:12:16.380 --> 01:12:21.220
 into the roadway, or do we want to have a base that stays in the roadway and we simply

01:12:21.220 --> 01:12:23.100
 attach a bollard to it?

01:12:23.100 --> 01:12:26.180
 So I'll move through this really quickly.

01:12:26.180 --> 01:12:37.140
 Okay, so the, they're really, the design is to allow the city to designate whether or

01:12:37.140 --> 01:12:40.420
 not a vehicle can traverse this piece of roadway.

01:12:40.420 --> 01:12:48.140
 Again, the two kinds are a retractable, which is typically a hydraulic system, fairly expensive,

01:12:48.140 --> 01:12:53.340
 difficult to, not difficult, but expensive to install and expensive to maintain.

01:12:53.340 --> 01:13:01.420
 If we are operating something like the feds where you've got an emergency type of bollard,

01:13:01.420 --> 01:13:05.620
 or you want to keep traffic out of an area at all times, except when somebody's doing

01:13:05.620 --> 01:13:10.620
 a garage or you need a delivery, then those retractables are the appropriate type of bollard.

01:13:10.620 --> 01:13:13.980
 However, our events are fairly spread out.

01:13:13.980 --> 01:13:17.020
 We don't, they're not on a weekly or a daily basis.

01:13:17.020 --> 01:13:21.780
 So our recommendation is to really go with something more along the lines of the retractable

01:13:21.780 --> 01:13:22.780
 bollard.

01:13:22.780 --> 01:13:25.300
 And I've got some exhibits here that show you the difference.

01:13:25.300 --> 01:13:32.260
 Here's a, here's a retractable bollard, you've got a base that is permanent and you simply

01:13:32.260 --> 01:13:36.980
 have a truck or a trailer with a bunch of bollards and these are installed manually.

01:13:36.980 --> 01:13:39.500
 You lock them down.

01:13:39.500 --> 01:13:45.700
 I've seen this number of places, the city of Fort Worth uses this at Royal Rogers Coliseum

01:13:45.700 --> 01:13:49.900
 during the stock show rodeo where they want to change the traffic pattern.

01:13:49.900 --> 01:13:56.140
 They can just simply install these bollards fairly quickly and, but you do have to have

01:13:56.140 --> 01:14:00.220
 a place to store them and you do have to have a crew to install them and then remove them.

01:14:00.220 --> 01:14:02.620
 And that's the downside of the retractable.

01:14:02.620 --> 01:14:06.980
 So on the right hand side, you see these, the removal bread on the right hand side of

01:14:06.980 --> 01:14:07.980
 the screen.

01:14:07.980 --> 01:14:13.660
 You see the retractables, very extensive construction, again, typically hydraulic.

01:14:13.660 --> 01:14:18.540
 And so they come with a maintenance component that the removals don't have.

01:14:18.540 --> 01:14:24.020
 Our recommendation, if we want to move forward with bollards are permanent is to go with

01:14:24.020 --> 01:14:30.020
 the removable, we still have to have some construction effort.

01:14:30.020 --> 01:14:38.380
 But for 90% of the time, it's simply a smooth roadway surface and when we want to close

01:14:38.380 --> 01:14:44.000
 those roadways, we send a crew out with a trailer full of bollards and we close whatever.

01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:50.300
 So moving forward, what we would need is, this begs another discussion of where do we

01:14:50.300 --> 01:14:58.940
 want to be able to close the roadways because once we make the decision to move to a bollard,

01:14:58.940 --> 01:15:03.000
 we don't have the flexibility that we have with barricades or vehicles.

01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:04.580
 They're in the same place every time.

01:15:04.580 --> 01:15:09.700
 So we really need to spend some time and discuss where we want to put these bollards, how far

01:15:09.700 --> 01:15:10.700
 away from the square?

01:15:10.700 --> 01:15:14.020
 Is it just the first roadways around the square?

01:15:14.020 --> 01:15:17.860
 Do we want to go back one or do we want to have a system of bollards?

01:15:17.860 --> 01:15:23.300
 But those are some questions that we would have and we need some further discussion if

01:15:23.300 --> 01:15:25.060
 that would please the committee.

01:15:25.060 --> 01:15:30.420
 >> If I could ask -- >> So the second item is, we've talked about

01:15:30.420 --> 01:15:31.420
 this for a while.

01:15:31.420 --> 01:15:32.420
 >> I have a question.

01:15:32.420 --> 01:15:37.020
 >> Especially with this committee and especially with traffic safety, is the pedestrian access

01:15:37.020 --> 01:15:39.360
 at Allison University.

01:15:39.360 --> 01:15:40.360
 >> Can you pause for questions?

01:15:40.360 --> 01:15:46.620
 >> If anyone is familiar with -- oh, okay.

01:15:46.620 --> 01:15:48.500
 >> Yeah, Councilmember Briggs.

01:15:48.500 --> 01:15:49.500
 >> Okay.

01:15:49.500 --> 01:15:50.500
 Questions?

01:15:50.500 --> 01:15:51.500
 >> Yeah, sorry.

01:15:51.500 --> 01:15:52.500
 Thank you.

01:15:52.500 --> 01:15:58.180
 >> This is one of the things that I have been asking about for a while, and I appreciate

01:15:58.180 --> 01:15:59.180
 the presentation.

01:15:59.180 --> 01:16:05.140
 My question is, because normally we do have the large giant fire trucks or barricades

01:16:05.140 --> 01:16:11.500
 manned by officers, which our public safety could be -- our trucks could be used in other

01:16:11.500 --> 01:16:13.620
 purposes, other places.

01:16:13.620 --> 01:16:17.700
 Do the removable bollards actually stop vehicles?

01:16:17.700 --> 01:16:22.140
 Because one of my concerns for wanting to do this was to stop vehicles from plowing

01:16:22.140 --> 01:16:23.620
 down large crowds.

01:16:23.620 --> 01:16:26.740
 >> And it would depend on the type of bollard.

01:16:26.740 --> 01:16:28.860
 There are light duty and heavy duty.

01:16:28.860 --> 01:16:37.500
 So some of them are actually very stout and they extend into a base.

01:16:37.500 --> 01:16:43.260
 So instead of a light duty bollard, which was the image I showed, simply bolting or

01:16:43.260 --> 01:16:49.140
 locking into a lightweight plate, basically you have a cover and then you have a sleeve

01:16:49.140 --> 01:16:54.420
 that goes down several feet into the roadway and you put a very strong, very robust bollard

01:16:54.420 --> 01:16:58.140
 and those will stop most vehicles.

01:16:58.140 --> 01:17:04.020
 Obviously if you have a concrete truck, we're out of luck, but for most passenger vehicles,

01:17:04.020 --> 01:17:05.020
 those are enough.

01:17:05.020 --> 01:17:10.460
 And it also depends on the spacing, you have to have the bollards close enough so that

01:17:10.460 --> 01:17:12.820
 they actually impact more than one bollard.

01:17:12.820 --> 01:17:18.940
 But yes, there are systems that will in fact prevent that vehicle from perversing beyond

01:17:18.940 --> 01:17:19.940
 the bollard.

01:17:19.940 --> 01:17:20.940
 >> Okay.

01:17:20.940 --> 01:17:23.540
 Well, I personally am interested in exploring this further.

01:17:23.540 --> 01:17:29.660
 I know we have several events, outdoor events where we close down the square, you know,

01:17:29.660 --> 01:17:37.220
 pre-COVID and also when the weather gets nice where I think it would be worthy of more discussion.

01:17:37.220 --> 01:17:43.660
 I don't know how that moves on or if this committee agrees to that or not, but that's

01:17:43.660 --> 01:17:44.660
 my input.

01:17:44.660 --> 01:17:52.980
 >> So if you have a desire, we can put together a true agenda item and not just a staff update

01:17:52.980 --> 01:17:59.020
 and really start discussing where we want these bollards, again, a little bit more maybe

01:17:59.020 --> 01:18:03.780
 about the type of bollard and the function that we want to do if we don't be able to

01:18:03.780 --> 01:18:08.180
 stop a vehicle or if it's just we want to deter people from driving, those are two different

01:18:08.180 --> 01:18:09.180
 functions.

01:18:09.180 --> 01:18:13.060
 So we can bring that back as a full agenda item in a month or two.

01:18:13.060 --> 01:18:18.500
 >> Yeah, I would support that if you want to, you know, get a majority.

01:18:18.500 --> 01:18:25.180
 And just as a preliminary thought on where, I'm sure with more thought you'll refine this,

01:18:25.180 --> 01:18:30.900
 but it seems like on the first blush you'd need to have it at each of the four sides

01:18:30.900 --> 01:18:37.060
 of the intersections on each of the corners of the square, right, because, you know, it's

01:18:37.060 --> 01:18:42.340
 going to vary when you need to shut down, you know, by event which throughout you need

01:18:42.340 --> 01:18:43.340
 to preserve.

01:18:43.340 --> 01:18:50.700
 So, you know, unless you -- yeah, I think it have to -- and then there may be application

01:18:50.700 --> 01:18:53.840
 further down Hickory and industrial as well.

01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:55.700
 >> Yeah, I agree with that.

01:18:55.700 --> 01:19:00.380
 I'm thinking about the car shows where it goes all the way, you know, to the corners

01:19:00.380 --> 01:19:05.100
 there for the -- just at the four corners around the square.

01:19:05.100 --> 01:19:07.500
 But then, you know, we have our downtown main street.

01:19:07.500 --> 01:19:12.940
 We have a lot of the boards and stuff, too, for downtown to look into this.

01:19:12.940 --> 01:19:18.420
 And so there's, you know, different possibilities for funding and input.

01:19:18.420 --> 01:19:25.800
 >> Yeah, I think I'd like to see a little bit more data on where we have been blocking

01:19:25.800 --> 01:19:27.500
 off for different functions in the past.

01:19:27.500 --> 01:19:34.620
 Is there specific places that get used, you know, 50% of the time or 70% of the time,

01:19:34.620 --> 01:19:37.700
 or is it always all over the place?

01:19:37.700 --> 01:19:43.100
 >> Yeah, Chamber of Main Street Association would probably be really useful.

01:19:43.100 --> 01:19:49.860
 But, yeah, the data and the input, yeah, maybe it's always out to the corners, but it just

01:19:49.860 --> 01:19:54.700
 seems to me that there are some situations where, for instance, you might want to keep

01:19:54.700 --> 01:19:59.140
 Elm and Locust open.

01:19:59.140 --> 01:20:05.580
 And maybe I'm making that up, but, you know, you're just cutting off the Oak and Hickory

01:20:05.580 --> 01:20:11.140
 parts, in which case then that changes where the bollards would have to be.

01:20:11.140 --> 01:20:17.540
 >> Okay, we're ready to continue.

01:20:17.540 --> 01:20:20.380
 >> Okay, carry on.

01:20:20.380 --> 01:20:26.060
 >> Okay, so back on the Alice -- this is the pedestrian access in the northeast corner

01:20:26.060 --> 01:20:32.140
 of Allison University, so if you're not familiar with this is what it looks like today, and

01:20:32.140 --> 01:20:35.140
 this photo is looking west.

01:20:35.140 --> 01:20:40.900
 So if you'll see, we've got a no pedestrian crossing here, but we've got PED indications

01:20:40.900 --> 01:20:46.820
 to go across university, but once they get to this university, there's literally nowhere

01:20:46.820 --> 01:20:48.060
 for them to go.

01:20:48.060 --> 01:20:52.700
 There's a raised curve behind, there's no sidewalk in either direction.

01:20:52.700 --> 01:20:56.900
 So it's kind of a trap, and it's been a problem for quite some time.

01:20:56.900 --> 01:21:01.820
 We've worked with Textot and the property owners over the last several months and have

01:21:01.820 --> 01:21:09.060
 developed a plan, which you can see here, which will allow somebody to cross the university,

01:21:09.060 --> 01:21:15.060
 travel east a little ways, and then this area, this becomes a landing ramp and allows them

01:21:15.060 --> 01:21:18.300
 to proceed into the retail area.

01:21:18.300 --> 01:21:24.340
 So again, we've been working with the property owners, everybody is on board with this, and

01:21:24.340 --> 01:21:30.460
 we are ready to move forward with construction, and it's a very inexpensive project, but again,

01:21:30.460 --> 01:21:34.260
 most of the concrete, most of the flat work is done, we're simply building the accessible

01:21:34.260 --> 01:21:41.620
 ramp, and we may -- I think there's another page of that, and after this, we do have some

01:21:41.620 --> 01:21:47.700
 markings, some paint behind this just to create kind of a safe zone and allow them to move

01:21:47.700 --> 01:21:50.540
 forward into the parking lot.

01:21:50.540 --> 01:21:54.820
 It's not a permanent solution, but it does at least get the -- someone's in a wheelchair

01:21:54.820 --> 01:22:01.300
 or a power chair, it gets them an opportunity to get off the roadway and continue on to

01:22:01.300 --> 01:22:03.820
 the destinations in that retail area.

01:22:03.820 --> 01:22:07.500
 Are there any questions?

01:22:07.500 --> 01:22:08.500
 >> No questions.

01:22:08.500 --> 01:22:09.500
 Just thank you.

01:22:09.500 --> 01:22:12.140
 Just a thank you for working on this.

01:22:12.140 --> 01:22:13.140
 >> This is a problem.

01:22:13.140 --> 01:22:17.820
 If it is a trap for pedestrians, especially if you're not that familiar with the area,

01:22:17.820 --> 01:22:26.180
 or you're unsighted, then there is literally nowhere for somebody to cross as they access

01:22:26.180 --> 01:22:32.160
 that Northside University.

01:22:32.160 --> 01:22:36.300
 So the next one is some of the project that we were working on a couple weeks ago, we've

01:22:36.300 --> 01:22:42.700
 got the early polling places done, basically preparing some maps because of the construction

01:22:42.700 --> 01:22:49.820
 and because of a lot of other access restrictions that we've been placing on ourselves, we developed

01:22:49.820 --> 01:22:57.820
 some maps to -- where they're on the website to direct travelers to the polling location.

01:22:57.820 --> 01:23:02.260
 So this is a typical -- basically you click on that and you'll be able to see your direction

01:23:02.260 --> 01:23:09.220
 of preferred direction of travel if you want to access the civic center in this case, and

01:23:09.220 --> 01:23:13.580
 these are the primary roadways that we recommend.

01:23:13.580 --> 01:23:31.980
 And so we have those for each and every polling location, and I think -- here's the -- we'll

01:23:31.980 --> 01:23:36.460
 have a list of the polling locations and you click on those and you get a directional map.

01:23:36.460 --> 01:23:41.260
 So this is something that we're developing for this year, and I think we'll probably

01:23:41.260 --> 01:23:47.940
 want to continue that for all of the Election Day activities moving forward.

01:23:47.940 --> 01:23:57.100
 And then the last one I have is the Senior Transportation Planner/ADA coordinator position

01:23:57.100 --> 01:23:58.540
 update.

01:23:58.540 --> 01:24:06.780
 We were positioned to go to posting the week of the 19th of October, however, we're reworking,

01:24:06.780 --> 01:24:14.620
 retuning the titling of this so that we can -- there are some grant funding opportunities

01:24:14.620 --> 01:24:20.140
 that are linked to a title that has the word "bicycle" or "bike" in it, so we're going

01:24:20.140 --> 01:24:25.300
 to add that element, and then we will be posting this position the first week of November,

01:24:25.300 --> 01:24:28.540
 I believe, early in November.

01:24:28.540 --> 01:24:33.900
 Again, this is going to be a difficult position to fill, so we will leave this open until

01:24:33.900 --> 01:24:39.800
 we actually fill it so that we can have the maximum exposure to the candidate pool, but

01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:42.420
 -- >> Why do you think it's going to be difficult

01:24:42.420 --> 01:24:44.620
 to fill?

01:24:44.620 --> 01:24:47.840
 >> It's an unusual combination of skill sets.

01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:55.260
 What we're trying to do is add the ADA coordinator as a specific requirement in addition to the

01:24:55.260 --> 01:25:01.020
 bike ped and some more standard transportation planning elements.

01:25:01.020 --> 01:25:10.420
 We're trying to beef up the -- well, I have a better word, the skill set, the tools that

01:25:10.420 --> 01:25:19.180
 this person brings, we're adding some responsibilities and some duties that we currently don't have

01:25:19.180 --> 01:25:20.180
 in our toolbox.

01:25:20.180 --> 01:25:26.740
 So we need a dedicated transportation planner that also does bike and ped coordination,

01:25:26.740 --> 01:25:33.820
 and that can do ADA review and ADA planning for the city in the right of way.

01:25:33.820 --> 01:25:39.580
 This particular ADA coordinator would be responsible for public right of way, not facilities and

01:25:39.580 --> 01:25:40.580
 not parks.

01:25:40.580 --> 01:25:43.100
 So it's the roadway right of way.

01:25:43.100 --> 01:25:49.820
 How do we make sure that our pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure is adequate?

01:25:49.820 --> 01:25:56.100
 We talked a little bit last time about the ADA transition plan that we have in the past,

01:25:56.100 --> 01:26:00.700
 and that's an element that will certainly be in the purview of this person, and it's

01:26:00.700 --> 01:26:06.300
 the execution of the improvements that are required to bring our existing pedestrian

01:26:06.300 --> 01:26:09.780
 and ADA infrastructure into compliance.

01:26:09.780 --> 01:26:15.780
 So again, we're just adding some responsibilities and some different duties that this position

01:26:15.780 --> 01:26:22.740
 didn't have before, and so it's -- and they're all important, and so the bike/ped is obviously

01:26:22.740 --> 01:26:27.380
 important, the ADA coordinator part is important, and that transportation planner, we're talking

01:26:27.380 --> 01:26:32.460
 about roadway projects and bringing all that complete street elements and the vision zero

01:26:32.460 --> 01:26:35.460
 elements in.

01:26:35.460 --> 01:26:42.260
 It's a limited pool of applicants who are going to have all of these skill sets.

01:26:42.260 --> 01:26:46.620
 I have a question, Brian -- or, Chair, may I?

01:26:46.620 --> 01:26:47.620
 Okay.

01:26:47.620 --> 01:26:48.620
 Go ahead.

01:26:48.620 --> 01:26:49.620
 Okay.

01:26:49.620 --> 01:26:50.620
 Thank you for adding to this.

01:26:50.620 --> 01:26:55.980
 I know that we had some questions and concerns about not having that bike/ped part in there

01:26:55.980 --> 01:27:01.620
 where we couldn't get funding or designation for a bicycle-friendly community, which, you

01:27:01.620 --> 01:27:05.780
 know, if we're looking at livability, that's one of the things that we've discovered is,

01:27:05.780 --> 01:27:10.020
 you know, a priority for some people.

01:27:10.020 --> 01:27:15.580
 Is it possible because -- I mean, this could be, you know, a staffing issue, but since

01:27:15.580 --> 01:27:22.460
 it's hard to find both of those in one person, is it possible to have the bike person under

01:27:22.460 --> 01:27:23.460
 the ADA person?

01:27:23.460 --> 01:27:30.700
 I mean, are we trying to create something that doesn't exist with this job listing?

01:27:30.700 --> 01:27:35.820
 I mean, it would be -- if we're making it more difficult to hire somebody, I'm just

01:27:35.820 --> 01:27:36.820
 -- I'm curious.

01:27:36.820 --> 01:27:42.260
 But would it be easier to have two or try to push it?

01:27:42.260 --> 01:27:46.820
 I'd like three, but we have -- that's our problem is we're limited right now to one

01:27:46.820 --> 01:27:56.940
 FTE, one position, and I don't think any of those three categories is a full-time job,

01:27:56.940 --> 01:28:03.300
 and the only concern I have is if we start adding and we have all three of them in there,

01:28:03.300 --> 01:28:07.740
 that does become a very full position, very -- a lot of responsibilities.

01:28:07.740 --> 01:28:14.900
 So the answer to your question would be yes, it would be better if we had two, but I don't

01:28:14.900 --> 01:28:15.900
 believe we do.

01:28:15.900 --> 01:28:23.380
 And so we're trying to add as much as we can and still make that job doable.

01:28:23.380 --> 01:28:24.380
 I think it's worth a try.

01:28:24.380 --> 01:28:31.060
 It's not a pure unicorn, because it's like basically all the non-automotive right now.

01:28:31.060 --> 01:28:34.340
 >> I imagine that does come up elsewhere, too.

01:28:34.340 --> 01:28:43.580
 >> One of the reasons we wanted to add the planner portion to it is because if we listed

01:28:43.580 --> 01:28:48.740
 it as a bike/ped coordinator, then the people who have the skill set that we're looking

01:28:48.740 --> 01:28:52.960
 for probably won't apply, because it's not -- that's not what they want to do.

01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:54.660
 That's not what their skill set is.

01:28:54.660 --> 01:28:59.500
 They're more -- they're planners with the transportation specialization, yes, they can

01:28:59.500 --> 01:29:03.780
 do bike/ped, because that's all the complete streets, context-sensitive, vision zero stuff

01:29:03.780 --> 01:29:09.660
 that they do, but then we're also adding that ADA coordinator piece, and that's the part

01:29:09.660 --> 01:29:16.760
 that most planners won't have, and so we're going to have to find -- I know of two people

01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:22.860
 that are probably adequate and their skill set is enough to fill what we're looking for,

01:29:22.860 --> 01:29:28.020
 but it's -- the transportation planner piece really does incorporate the bike/ped stuff,

01:29:28.020 --> 01:29:33.020
 so I'm not -- I don't have a problem with the title and making sure that we include that,

01:29:33.020 --> 01:29:37.620
 but most transportation planners are not ADA specialists, so that's the unicorn, if there

01:29:37.620 --> 01:29:43.700
 is one, of a piece that makes it kind of a unicorn is that adding that ADA coordinator,

01:29:43.700 --> 01:29:51.700
 but that is an important piece for our -- this position, that's a -- we need an ADA coordinator

01:29:51.700 --> 01:29:57.420
 who will be looking at all the developments that's coming in, our city projects, and managing

01:29:57.420 --> 01:30:03.020
 that ADA transition plan to bring our infrastructure into compliance.

01:30:03.020 --> 01:30:04.580
 >> So chair -- question?

01:30:04.580 --> 01:30:05.580
 >> Okay.

01:30:05.580 --> 01:30:06.580
 >> Okay.

01:30:06.580 --> 01:30:11.740
 So I know my -- part of my concern is the timing, because, you know, we've been without

01:30:11.740 --> 01:30:15.580
 for a little bit, and then all the plans are coming up, and it's a good time to have somebody

01:30:15.580 --> 01:30:19.500
 here to help us review them.

01:30:19.500 --> 01:30:27.100
 You talked about the ADA coordination, or how difficult is that to get?

01:30:27.100 --> 01:30:32.540
 Would it be, like, you could hire somebody who has mostly everything, but is -- I mean,

01:30:32.540 --> 01:30:34.780
 is it like a four-year college?

01:30:34.780 --> 01:30:38.420
 I just -- I don't know about the certification for that.

01:30:38.420 --> 01:30:41.660
 Is it a difficult thing to get?

01:30:41.660 --> 01:30:42.660
 >> It is -- it's not.

01:30:42.660 --> 01:30:47.180
 It's just -- and we talked a little bit about this at the Committee on Persons with Disabilities

01:30:47.180 --> 01:30:55.580
 last month, and I think we got agreement that those certifications is -- that's something

01:30:55.580 --> 01:30:58.580
 that we can teach to the right person.

01:30:58.580 --> 01:31:03.380
 If we can find the right candidate who has the skill set and has the basic knowledge

01:31:03.380 --> 01:31:06.340
 of ADA, we can get those certifications.

01:31:06.340 --> 01:31:09.780
 It might take several months to get the ones that -- all of the certifications that we

01:31:09.780 --> 01:31:11.700
 want, or maybe even longer.

01:31:11.700 --> 01:31:15.380
 It just depends on when they're available for application, when they can attend those

01:31:15.380 --> 01:31:19.540
 certifications, but certainly something that's teachable.

01:31:19.540 --> 01:31:23.820
 It's really just -- if we could find somebody that has all three, great.

01:31:23.820 --> 01:31:28.820
 If we can't, then I think the direction we got from the Committee was, well, find the

01:31:28.820 --> 01:31:34.900
 right person who has the bike/ped stuff, who is a transportation planner, who knows the

01:31:34.900 --> 01:31:39.700
 mobility part of it, and then we will train them on the ADA coordinator piece.

01:31:39.700 --> 01:31:40.700
 >> Okay.

01:31:40.700 --> 01:31:42.580
 Thank you for sharing their comments.

01:31:42.580 --> 01:31:43.580
 Appreciate it.

01:31:43.580 --> 01:31:49.660
 >> You need to be a good community outreach person, too, just vocalizing certificates.

01:31:49.660 --> 01:31:52.580
 >> That was one of our requirements is personality.

01:31:52.580 --> 01:31:57.480
 How well does this person deal with crowds and making presentations, et cetera, and that's

01:31:57.480 --> 01:31:58.820
 an important piece as well.

01:31:58.820 --> 01:32:03.420
 Somebody -- there's got to be somebody who can interact with this community.

01:32:03.420 --> 01:32:07.220
 >> These are two of the toughest crowds in Nascar traffic.

01:32:07.220 --> 01:32:10.980
 Two of the toughest crowds in Denver.

01:32:10.980 --> 01:32:13.600
 >> Yes, they are.

01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:14.600
 That's all I had.

01:32:14.600 --> 01:32:19.460
 >> Any other questions before we go to concluding items?

01:32:19.460 --> 01:32:20.460
 >> No.

01:32:20.460 --> 01:32:21.460
 That was a lot.

01:32:21.460 --> 01:32:22.460
 Thank you.

01:32:22.460 --> 01:32:23.460
 >> Great.

01:32:23.460 --> 01:32:24.460
 Lots of progress.

01:32:24.460 --> 01:32:25.460
 Okay.

01:32:25.460 --> 01:32:29.180
 Anybody have any concluding items?

01:32:29.180 --> 01:32:30.180
 >> I do.

01:32:30.180 --> 01:32:31.180
 >> Please.

01:32:31.180 --> 01:32:32.780
 >> Of course.

01:32:32.780 --> 01:32:39.500
 So I've seen pictures of cars continuing to park on Hickory Street in the bike lane, and

01:32:39.500 --> 01:32:43.260
 the bollards are spread out pretty far.

01:32:43.260 --> 01:32:48.860
 I'm just wondering what we could do to add a few more bollards there to -- I mean, if

01:32:48.860 --> 01:32:55.080
 they're there to keep cars out and keep bikes safe, then obviously there's something not

01:32:55.080 --> 01:32:56.820
 working.

01:32:56.820 --> 01:32:57.820
 What would that take?

01:32:57.820 --> 01:33:02.900
 Does that have to come back through this committee, or is it a funding issue?

01:33:02.900 --> 01:33:06.020
 Just a little bit -- maybe a report on that.

01:33:06.020 --> 01:33:10.860
 And then the next thing is the Carroll Boulevard Road Diet.

01:33:10.860 --> 01:33:17.220
 I know it was on the matrix for a while, and we kind of glanced over it a little bit in

01:33:17.220 --> 01:33:25.820
 the one-way street discussion, but we never really had a full presentation on it.

01:33:25.820 --> 01:33:28.120
 And I'm just wondering a date on that.

01:33:28.120 --> 01:33:35.260
 Maybe it's after the mobility plan, or just a timeline on when a good time to have that

01:33:35.260 --> 01:33:37.900
 discussion would be.

01:33:37.900 --> 01:33:39.260
 That's it.

01:33:39.260 --> 01:33:40.660
 >> Okay.

01:33:40.660 --> 01:33:42.260
 John, anything?

01:33:42.260 --> 01:33:43.260
 >> No.

01:33:43.260 --> 01:33:44.260
 I'm good.

01:33:44.260 --> 01:33:45.260
 >> Good.

01:33:45.260 --> 01:33:49.220
 All right.

01:33:49.220 --> 01:33:52.140
 I had one, but Kaley did it already.

01:33:52.140 --> 01:33:55.860
 So let's adjourn at 10.35.

01:33:55.860 --> 01:33:56.860
 Bye.

01:33:56.860 --> 01:33:57.860
 >> Bye.

01:33:57.860 --> 01:33:59.860
 Thank you.