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 Good morning and welcome to this meeting of the Mobility Committee of the City of Denton.

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 We're convening at 9.02 and we'll begin with our items for individual consideration, starting

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 with item A, which is considering approval of the minutes for the September 8th, 2020

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 meeting and will entertain action.

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 I will move approval.

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 Moving on to item B. Receive a report and hold a discussion regarding updates from

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 the Denton County Transportation Authority.

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 Well, thank you.

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 I am Nicole Recker.

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 I'm the Vice President of Mobility Services and Administration here at DCTA.

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 And I have a lot to update you.

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 Good to see you as well.

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 So we've got a lot of updates to share despite COVID.

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 We've got a lot of things going on and I'm excited to give everybody an update.

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 So I did want to provide an update on our COVID-19 procedures.

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 So we are still the only transit agency in Texas without a positive operator case of

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 COVID-19, which I always like to say this is not a time to boast.

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 However, that designation does indicate how above and beyond we are going to make sure

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 that we are ensuring the safety for our passengers, our operators, and our staff.

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 Since our last meeting, we have actually installed touchless hand sanitizer units on all of our

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 And so those are up and running and have received very positive feedback.

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 We also have a dedicated web page that's been detailing all of the efforts that we have

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 We've created a welcome back riders guide, which is like a quick download document so

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 that you can see exactly what all of the precautionary measures we've put into place are.

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 And I mean, obviously, ridership is down due to COVID.

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 And so we have been promoting a ride safe, stay safe campaign, kind of reinforcing the

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 return to transit, including some of those behind the scenes footage and photos to kind

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 of show people exactly the measures that we're going to.

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 We're also having conversations with the North Texas Council of Governments to talk about

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 kind of regionally what would it look like to return to transit and what are some of

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 the efforts that we could do from a regional perspective that would help increase ridership.

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 So DCTA recently conducted a COVID-19 passenger survey where we are collecting data from folks

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 asking them when they returned to transit, if they haven't returned to transit, what

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 are those reasons, you know, do they feel safe on DCTA?

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 And so we just closed to that survey and we will be looking at that data and we hope to

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 be sharing that data with our board in January.

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 So obviously, a lot of activity is going on to make sure that we're ensuring the safety

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 of our passengers, our operators, and our staff.

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 In the past, I've given the Mobility Committee an update on the agency's transformation initiative,

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 and we've made quite a bit of progress.

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 And so as a reminder, the transformation initiative is an agency-wide study that's board-led that

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 will develop a cohesive vision for DCTA's future, looking at improving operations, addressing

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 perceived concerns, responding to evolving markets, technology, and consumer preferences.

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 So that initiative began in August of 2020.

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 And so we have been rapidly working on that with Accenture, who is who the board appointed

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 to conduct that analysis.

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 And we hope to kind of close out that study by the end of the year.

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 We actually have a specially called board meeting next week on November 5th, where Accenture

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 is going to present kind of their current state analysis findings, as well as their

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 future state recommendations.

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 recommendations so that they can kind of create a priority list and a list of what efforts

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 need to be focused on each fiscal year, because obviously there is a price tag associated

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 with some of the modifications that Accenture might be proposing.

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 board discussion as they prioritize those recommendations.

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 As part of that transformation initiative and as part of board direction, staff has

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 been looking at leveraging our mobility as a service or MAS contracts that we've had

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 under contract, we've had 32 contractors under contract for about two years.

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 So staff conducted a mini RFP or a task order within those existing MAS contracts to identify

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 providers who could deliver on demand service and mobility in member cities as well as contract

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 We received bids back from several of those providers, but the board approved the staff's

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 recommendation of awarding the contract to spare labs and to via.

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 So we are still in conversations with spare labs and via about what type of on demand

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 services we could launch in our member cities as well as maybe in the future in our contract

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 But again, we're really awaiting the discussion on November 5th from our board, reviewing

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 those future state recommendations before we start working with these providers to kind

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 of remodel service delivery.

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 change where you would see quite a substantial modification in how DCTA is delivering service,

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 I do want to just give some updates, obviously with COVID we're not getting face to face

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 9 a.m., so if anybody is interested in attending, anyone is welcome to attend.

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 I also wanted to let you know that our community outreach has changed quite a bit just since

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 resource webpage that is full of coloring pages, activity pages, story time videos,

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 links to virtual tours that are educational, links to DCTA's educational outreach programs

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 like Operation Life Saver and Rail Ready, and new content is updated regularly.

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 And so DCTA has been partnering with schools, teachers, parents, daycares, all sorts of

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 So part of that outreach strategy also is focusing on low-income outreach, and we have

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 and crayons, disposable masks, and information about DCTA, and we've been hand-delivering

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 of hand-deliver those materials, so that one, it gives, you know, kids, I mean, trust me,

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 And so those activity pages, you know, certainly can kind of keep the kids busy.

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 of those, you know, distro bags, please let me know because we can absolutely put some

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 a lot of good things happening on our trail, our usage is up significantly.

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 In the past, we have done an event called Rails to Trails, but obviously we had put

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 that on hold due to COVID, and so we ended up canceling that this year, but we are participating

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 in the Rails to Trails Conservancy's national campaign, which is #ShareYourTrailMoments.

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 it is a comprehensive user guide.

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 So it includes like station access, trail access, parking benches, emergency call stations,

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 And then exciting news, we just installed four new automatic pedestrian and bicycle counters

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 on the trail itself, so now DCTA has a total of six counters to track rail trail usage.

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 post along the trail and so they're, they look natural to the environment, but they're

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 But those counters have really come in handy because if you've seen in the news trail usage

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 be able to track actual usage has been very beneficial and so we are analyzing kind of

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 It is not, when I said I've got a doozy for y'all today, I really meant it.

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 We've got a lot of info.

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 So with election day, we have been offering free rides on select services, so no proof

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 of voter registration is required.

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 The last day of that free ride program is on November 3rd, so make sure, you know, you

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 let folks know that if they need to use transit to get to vote, they absolutely can do so

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 on November 11th, and that's free rides on select services for veterans and active military.

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 All they have to do is show their military ID, state ID, or their military designation

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 It is an extremely busy time at TCTA, and I am happy to answer any questions as I just

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 It's an amazing amount of activity, I didn't know that any of that was going on.

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 I was taking notes the whole time.

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 So we'll have some idea as to ridership, but we will not have exact for the for the free

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 of our plans, our mobility plan and bike industry and absolutely 100% as soon as we start pulling

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 If I could follow up with you on that, that way I can get you exact information.

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 Is that DCTA or the county or city or is that a contract and who holds that contract?

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 I just didn't know.

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 Sure, sure.

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 So it's actually a little confusing.

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 It is all dependent upon the portion of the trail.

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 So in most cases, it's the city who will contract out like for like any mowing or landscape

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 maintenance and trash but if you let me know specifically where the area is, I can check

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 with our project manager and she can tell me exactly who's responsible.

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 It's different from one end of the trail to the other and there's like multiple parties

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 and so but I can get that information for you.

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 Great thank you.

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 A quick question, you mentioned November 5th that there's a meeting.

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 Is that meeting open for individuals if they want to look at the suggestions?

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 Absolutely, it is posted as a board meeting and so the posting will go up on Friday of

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 this week and so it is a virtual meeting but you can join it just like you at any other

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 DCTA public meeting.

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 Okay, Chair, I have two more questions.

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 John, do you want to break in or you're okay with just keep going?

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 Just keep going.

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 I'm fine.

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 Okay, on the on-demand service with the contracts you put out for, were any of those or did

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 you ask for fuel-efficient cars?

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 Is it kind of like Uber where each individual has their own car or do the companies have

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 company cars?

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 So it's a little bit different.

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 So Spare is actually a software as a service engine where they would leverage maybe like

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 Lyft and Irving Holdings and they would kind of be a hub for other on-demand partners to

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 kind of plug in, whereas VIA actually and I get you the exact model of the vehicle but

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 it's like a Mercedes van that they use and so I'd have to check and see exactly like

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 what the fuel efficiency is on those but I could send you information about their specific

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 vehicles.

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 Okay, but if someone requested an ADA accessible vehicle that that's right.

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 So yes, all of VIA's vehicles are ADA accessible.

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 It is when Spare uses their software platform and they plug in the reason that they're recommending

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 the use of Lyft and Irving Holdings is that Lyft is not required to be ADA accessible

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 but Irving Holdings is and so we would have like a dedicated Irving Holdings fleet that

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 would handle all of our ADA accessibility needs.

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 Okay, it's good to know.

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 Last question and it's kind of more of a future question and if you're planning for it.

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 We did recently hear about the speed train from Dallas to Houston and that's more of

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 a it seems like a reality.

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 So I'm curious if we are working on or if we're looking at when those connections come

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 in.

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 If DCTA is in, you know, contacts or conversations on that to make sure that we are coordinating

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 those those routes from Dallas to Denton.

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 Absolutely, absolutely.

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 So we are involved.

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 Typically it's through cog is how we is how we get involved as the MPO and so but we stay

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 completely engaged in all of those conversations and as it would get to a point where there

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 would be that type of coordination needed.

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 We would definitely be having those conversations.

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 Okay, that's good to know.

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 I'm done.

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 Thank you.

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 Very helpful.

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 Thank you, John.

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 Anything else?

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 All is good.

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 All right, thank you so much, Nicole.

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 Thank you for your time.

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 I appreciate it.

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 Yeah, yours, right, we're gonna move on to item C receiver report and hold the discussion

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 regarding City of Denton transportation slash mobility project status report in the area.

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 Thank you.

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 on mute.

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 I mean, whoever's presenting yeah, on mute and invisible.

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 John Polster with Innovative Transportation Solutions, I'll be going over the report.

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 Can y'all see the report is that or am I supposed to share it or I think you share your share

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 screen?

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 This is all new.

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 Did he put it on the folder or a mask up brand?

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 I don't see it.

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 It's a PDF.

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 No, I don't see it.

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 It's all from last night.

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 So it's on the report here.

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 Yeah.

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 It's called exhibit two.

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 My apologies for the technical difficulty.

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 It looks promising.

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 If you can make it a little bit smaller, I think.

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 So while we're doing that, you're going to note that the report's a little, a little

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 different by working with Becky and her group.

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 We are consolidating the report into one report that we work on all on and off system projects.

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 So it'll cover both the on system and off.

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 And so we changed the name to reflect that it's more of a transportation mobility report

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 than it is just on system.

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 Give John Ryan full credit for advocating for that, the off system part.

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 All right.

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 You'll go to the page, I guess, where we start with 2181.

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 So on 2181 we've been working with tech start, we've got some issues related to coordination

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 and the contractor on some of their inspection processes.

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 I know that Becky and her team have been working fairly aggressively to address those issues.

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 And we had a quarterly meeting with the district yesterday afternoon and in light of some of

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 the comments and concerns that the city's had with the process, they're going to be

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 changing project managers to bring in somebody a little bit more skilled at the, this type

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 of project with a new project manager on the, on the project and then bringing in folks

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 from the Dallas district who have experience working with utility projects inside tech

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 start roadway projects.

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 So we're going to bring in new folks and have a little bit more closer coordination on this

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 project to make sure that we're not having as many issues as we've had in the past.

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 So that's 2181.

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 Unless anybody's got any questions, go to the next one.

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 I do have a quick question.

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 Yes, ma'am.

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 On that is the, the 2181 for the project manager, was that something included in the new contract

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 for tech start or is that like a city utilities contract?

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 I'm not sure I understand the question.

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 Okay.

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 So is it cause city is city of Denton doing the utilities and that's our, is it a project

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 manager for us or the project manager?

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 So text that's actually doing the project construction wise.

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 And so when they let the project, it included the city of Denton's utilities in that project.

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 So the city of Denton has an advanced funding agreement with tech start, where the city

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 will provide inspection of those services, but they make those communications and comments

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 to the tech start and then tech start addresses the issues with the contractor.

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 This particular contractor, both the prime and the sub are, are difficult to deal with.

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 And so the project manager that you see is Stacy clack from text that, and then their

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 inspector, they, they're, I would say young to the business of project management.

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 So we're bringing in next month.

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 You'll see it'll be Mark Ross is the project manager for tech start.

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 And what I was saying is that text that also does a lot of utility construction in the

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 Dallas area office for the city of Dallas for their water and wastewater.

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 So though that area office has more experience dealing with the unique issues that are associated

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 with utilities.

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 And so we're bringing in people who have a better understanding of what the city's concerns

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 are and more experienced project managers from this text outside.

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 Okay.

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 Okay.

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 And that's all covered in the contract costs from text that was a bit out.

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 So I'm not sure what you're asking on that.

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 There was a, the city is paying an X amount based on the advanced funding agreement and

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 the project management is, it's just part of the project management for the state to

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 build a road, which in this particular case includes the utilities.

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 Okay.

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 Well, I guess my question is usually when somebody new comes in, it's a different cost

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 and there's a different change to that.

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 So I was just making sure that all that was still covered in the original amount that

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 was just personnel from the, on the text outside, not the city and not the contractor, which

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 is bringing in people who know more about what, what they're doing than the ones we

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 currently have.

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 Okay.

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 That's good to know.

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 Thank you.

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 Okay.

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 Next one then, John, just real quickly at council member Briggs, just for clarification,

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 the city does have a project manager on that project.

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 You see his name listed there.

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 His name is Kyle pedigo.

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 And he is working with the internal coordination with tech start and has currently been coordinating

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 with Stacy clack, but we'll be coordinating with that new project manager.

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 So the city is managing internally that utility relocation and also providing construction

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 inspection from our public works inspection department.

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 But all of those correspondents go through text to the contractor.

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 So who, because that's who the contract is through.

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 Okay.

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 All right.

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 Thank you.

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 Absolutely.

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 Sorry, John, go ahead.

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 Thanks so the next one is your Fort Worth drive project, and if you'll go to the construction

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 section.

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 So we're on the on track for being done.

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 First part of February of next year, they continue to work on the payment and they had

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 a traffic switch around the 19th to the northbound side underneath the railroad track.

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 But again, this project's on track.

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 And it's a very swiftly with consular and they've text that has farmed this project

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 out to console or for project management.

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 And so they're, they're, they're our contact and this is this project seems to be going

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 fairly well.

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 If you recall, right before the whole COVID issue hit the city worked with tech start

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 on this project to allow them to work for a period of time at night.

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 And that caught them back up on schedule.

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 And so we're still on track for being substantially complete before Valentine's Day.

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 So I think that unless there's questions on Fort Worth drive, we go to the next one.

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 All right, 35 you may hill.

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 This is a project that the more we get into it, the more it's turning into a utility project

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 with a little bit of road.

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 You see a list of those utilities that are there and then on the next page are like three

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 or four more that we're having to deal with.

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 I think you jumped it.

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 Okay, no worries.

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 So it's a utility project that we're going to build a little bit of road and interchange

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 on it as well.

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 If you'll note the dollar amount as I highlighted, it was at about $46 million originally and

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 adding the northbound frontage road and those improvements up to 288 increased the cost.

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 And in August and September's commission action and RTC's action and the 10-year plan they

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 included an additional almost $20 million to bring this project to be fully funded.

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 So we added another $15, $18 million to the cost of the project.

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 We're still looking at being a ready to let date of April of '22.

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 And we anticipate having all the right of way acquired by the end of the year.

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 The critical path item on this is that we have some like the Exxon gas station there

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 at the state school.

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 It has a hazardous materials that we have to address and typically that's done during

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 construction.

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 But in this particular case where the hazardous material tanks are is where the utilities

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 have to relocate.

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 So we're reorienting that so the textile come in and remove the hazmat issue prior to construction

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 so that utilities can relocate where they need to relocate.

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 So again, it's fully funded.

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 Project is still tracking for a ready to let of April of '22.

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 And again, this is 12 lanes of traffic underneath as opposed to the 10 that you saw on Luke

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 288.

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 Unless you have any questions, we can go to the next one.

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 Okay.

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 So your Dallas Drive project, so as you've probably seen, we've got the restriping done

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 to have the Dallas Drive exit just be one single lane because there was some safety

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 issues with having the two lanes come into one.

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 It is been restriped for the single lane.

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 We are working with the area office and city staff to try to improve the access in that

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 area by closing the median so that as you're coming off of 35 going north onto Dallas Drive,

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 you can't make a left turn onto the frontage road because that's where a lot of the traffic

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 accidents occur.

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 So we're working on getting that that median opening closed in the interim.

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 And then as we move forward, we are working with the district on, as you see in this drawing,

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 what's happening here in the ultimate is you have direct connects from Dallas Drive to

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 the right side as opposed to the left side of the main lanes and to the to the managed

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 lanes.

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 Well, obviously the managed lanes don't exist there at this point.

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 So we're going to try to figure out how much of this we can pull out and construct so that

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 we can make the frontage road, northbound frontage road continuous and the access from

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 Dallas Drive to 35 safer.

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 But we're still in the process of trying to figure out how to unravel that sweater.

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 And I think that's unless you get questions on it, go to the next one.

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 All right, your 35E merge with W. Obviously, again, the dollar amount went up by another

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 16 million dollars to 335 million in this 10 year plan update.

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 So it is fully funded and we're still on track for June 22 ready to let and if we get it

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 done by then, then they'll be able to move the project up from January 23 to sometime

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 in 22 because it is fully funded.

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 Next one.

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 I have a question on that one because we I believe this is the one where the intersection

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 at 380 and I 35 is included.

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 Correct.

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 And it may be helpful.

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 I don't know if if we could pull that out as a separate item because I know there was

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 an a wreck in an article saying that there was some interim work or solutions being worked

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 out.

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 I know that we talk about it almost every time here at mobility.

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 Right.

466
00:34:35,860 --> 00:34:44,980
 Could you go over what those are and the timing of those interim fixes to help that area?

467
00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:50,140
 So not great news on that front.

468
00:34:50,140 --> 00:34:56,340
 You know, the ultimate plans call for braided ramps in this location because both the entrance

469
00:34:56,340 --> 00:35:01,900
 and exit needs for this stretch of highway are in the same location.

470
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:09,780
 So we're going to have to be building braided ramps and text that looked at trying to do

471
00:35:09,780 --> 00:35:16,940
 that as an interim breakout project, but they felt like it was by the time they got it ready

472
00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:22,900
 to go, they would almost be ready for the entire project to go under construction.

473
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:27,620
 So there's no there's no small fixes.

474
00:35:27,620 --> 00:35:29,820
 So all the fixes are large.

475
00:35:29,820 --> 00:35:35,300
 And by the time you get those in the queue and ready to work this project, it'll be pretty

476
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:38,620
 close to being ready to let.

477
00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:44,860
 So in the interim, I don't think there are any that anybody that I've been able to talk

478
00:35:44,860 --> 00:35:48,420
 to and I think we've everybody comes up with the same ideas.

479
00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:56,060
 But then when you when you start pulling a thread on it, it it doesn't work.

480
00:35:56,060 --> 00:36:01,020
 So I would say I don't think there is an interim solution.

481
00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:03,900
 And so I don't think there is.

482
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:10,660
 So there's nothing we could do with like lane markings or exiting or, you know, notification.

483
00:36:10,660 --> 00:36:17,620
 The problem is that the exit ramp for 380 is just right there at 380.

484
00:36:17,620 --> 00:36:27,220
 And the entrance ramp from 35W to come into the freeway is right there just south of that.

485
00:36:27,220 --> 00:36:34,020
 And so there is not enough room to put both movements, even to flip the movements doesn't

486
00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:37,060
 work.

487
00:36:37,060 --> 00:36:42,420
 So and all the markings that what I've been told by the district is they've maximized

488
00:36:42,420 --> 00:36:48,380
 the physical markings in the area as much as they can.

489
00:36:48,380 --> 00:36:55,140
 And I think, Brian, you've looked at the signal on that and tried to work on the timing as

490
00:36:55,140 --> 00:36:56,140
 best we can.

491
00:36:56,140 --> 00:37:05,580
 But it's just too many traffic too much traffic is in an area that's not able to handle it.

492
00:37:05,580 --> 00:37:10,940
 So yeah, we can keep looking, but right now, nobody's come up with a solution other than

493
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:12,980
 to build the braided ramps.

494
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:17,300
 And by the time we got those ready, the other the whole project would be ready to go to

495
00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:18,300
 construction.

496
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:23,780
 Okay, I just see that 2023 date let date and that's kind of disappointing because I know

497
00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:28,620
 that this is really a pain and danger for many people.

498
00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:29,620
 So thank you.

499
00:37:29,620 --> 00:37:30,620
 Yes, ma'am.

500
00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:31,620
 Excuse me, John.

501
00:37:31,620 --> 00:37:40,500
 What about adding, you know, I'm sure everything is massively expensive, but it seems like part

502
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:46,020
 of the issue is that you got a lane that goes away from the access road and merges right

503
00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:51,780
 into the other traffic coming off the highway from, you know, onto the access road.

504
00:37:51,780 --> 00:37:59,220
 What about adding a lane for just that little segment of the access road, you know, of the

505
00:37:59,220 --> 00:38:03,260
 exit so that they don't have to merge?

506
00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:04,260
 Right.

507
00:38:04,260 --> 00:38:09,380
 And they have looked at that, but the argument that the district's making from an operational

508
00:38:09,380 --> 00:38:14,300
 standpoint is the problem isn't the fact that that auxiliary lane isn't continuous.

509
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:20,780
 The problem is, is that you have all the traffic from 35W that gets necked down to one lane

510
00:38:20,780 --> 00:38:27,620
 and is coming on to 35 exactly at the same location, but all the traffic on 35E that

511
00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:30,820
 wants to exit 380 is trying to get off.

512
00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:38,900
 So you've got both an on and off situation occurring at exactly the same distance.

513
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:45,700
 And the only way to do that is to flip it, but once you flip it, then it opens up significant

514
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:48,940
 other issues with the main lanes.

515
00:38:48,940 --> 00:38:53,780
 And then what's happening is if you look out there, the people are just using those Texas

516
00:38:53,780 --> 00:39:00,420
 exit ramps and they're just getting off early, so that we can continue to work on it.

517
00:39:00,420 --> 00:39:05,500
 We can continue to work with your staff to try to find something.

518
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:13,100
 But to date, everything, once we get into it far enough to start seeing what the consequences

519
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:17,660
 are, we end up getting to a fatal flaw.

520
00:39:17,660 --> 00:39:20,220
 What are the prospects for moving it up?

521
00:39:20,220 --> 00:39:28,380
 Well, we're shooting for the June 22 let date, and that's based on all those utilities and

522
00:39:28,380 --> 00:39:29,900
 the right-of-way needing to be acquired.

523
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:34,060
 So if we hit those dates, we can move it up.

524
00:39:34,060 --> 00:39:38,380
 If we beat those dates, we can move it up, because again, as you see, we're fully funded

525
00:39:38,380 --> 00:39:41,780
 at the $335 million.

526
00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:47,380
 So the date that it's in, the let date, is just where they've got it slotted, but they

527
00:39:47,380 --> 00:39:51,060
 can move it up if we get it ready to let sooner.

528
00:39:51,060 --> 00:39:54,060
 And we are meeting city meets.

529
00:39:54,060 --> 00:39:59,820
 When we meet with TechStat in our every three-week or so meeting, this is one of the meeting

530
00:39:59,820 --> 00:40:05,380
 projects that we go over to make sure it stays on track and/or accelerates.

531
00:40:05,380 --> 00:40:13,060
 Is all that acquisition work a kind of thing that could get accelerated if more resources

532
00:40:13,060 --> 00:40:16,860
 get put on it, or is it like the same two people?

533
00:40:16,860 --> 00:40:21,820
 No, they actually have hired out a right-of-way agents on this.

534
00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:25,820
 They've got multiple right-of-way agents working on this.

535
00:40:25,820 --> 00:40:29,620
 So I think the right-of-way, we're planning on being done by the end of this year.

536
00:40:29,620 --> 00:40:32,500
 So I don't think the right-of-way is really the critical path at that point.

537
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:38,140
 The city's got a significant amount of utilities in this corridor that need to be addressed.

538
00:40:38,140 --> 00:40:44,300
 Franchise utilities are all throughout this segment, and I think most of the critical

539
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:51,580
 path items going forward from January 21 on is going to be the 18 months it takes to get

540
00:40:51,580 --> 00:40:53,300
 those utilities relocated.

541
00:40:53,300 --> 00:41:02,180
 I suspect Councilman Ryan would agree, and you can tell me if you don't, John, but I

542
00:41:02,180 --> 00:41:06,340
 think that is the intersection I hear about the most frequently.

543
00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:14,340
 So if there are clever ways to work that critical path, I'd certainly be supportive.

544
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:16,340
 Yes, sir.

545
00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:18,020
 Yeah, I agree.

546
00:41:18,020 --> 00:41:19,020
 I agree.

547
00:41:19,020 --> 00:41:23,020
 And I think is there another exit like right before the 380, I think?

548
00:41:23,020 --> 00:41:27,220
 Is that what you're talking about when you're talking about flipping them, having one of

549
00:41:27,220 --> 00:41:28,740
 those, the exits?

550
00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:34,740
 I think there's an exit where it's just on and then having one of the exits where it's

551
00:41:34,740 --> 00:41:38,460
 just off instead of one doing both.

552
00:41:38,460 --> 00:41:42,140
 So you have an exit ramp for 380 just south of 380.

553
00:41:42,140 --> 00:41:44,660
 So it's what we call a diamond interchange.

554
00:41:44,660 --> 00:41:53,460
 So you exit the freeway very close to 380, and what transpires is that there's so much

555
00:41:53,460 --> 00:42:00,780
 traffic wanting to get off at 380 that it rolls up onto the main lanes and it goes past

556
00:42:00,780 --> 00:42:09,180
 that auxiliary lane, and then it starts to encroach in the on ramp or where 35W comes

557
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:14,740
 around, which reduces the single lane, and then it has to merge to get onto the main

558
00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:15,740
 lanes.

559
00:42:15,740 --> 00:42:23,700
 That traffic that's trying to exit, it's backed up all the way to the entrance ramp for 35W.

560
00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:28,900
 And so the reason you can't flip it, right, is because the traffic from 35W has to get

561
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:35,580
 on the freeway somewhere around the merge.

562
00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:42,580
 You can't carry them up to like an X ramp where you let them get on the freeway right

563
00:42:42,580 --> 00:42:48,300
 before they get to 380 and take the traffic off back by the merge because the traffic

564
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:56,140
 for 35W has to go somewhere immediately because the freeway ends.

565
00:42:56,140 --> 00:43:01,620
 It is a horrible scenario, and that's why this project got picked up for clear lanes

566
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:07,320
 and was easily able to pick up another 16 million dollars in this last update because

567
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:13,980
 this is for North Texas, this is probably the worst section of 35 left in North Texas

568
00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:14,980
 to resolve.

569
00:43:14,980 --> 00:43:20,460
 I wonder why it wasn't sort of more obvious in the design phase that this would be a problem.

570
00:43:20,460 --> 00:43:22,180
 Anyway, I'm no expert.

571
00:43:22,180 --> 00:43:29,380
 The design phase does pick up the issue, and that's when we put in the braided ramps and

572
00:43:29,380 --> 00:43:32,020
 we also add additional capacity.

573
00:43:32,020 --> 00:43:33,020
 I mean originally.

574
00:43:33,020 --> 00:43:42,540
 Yeah, on the interim project that we just did with AECOM, not AECOM, AGL, it went all

575
00:43:42,540 --> 00:43:49,540
 the way to 380, but we had to drop the manage lane south of Denton because of right-of-way

576
00:43:49,540 --> 00:43:50,540
 issues.

577
00:43:50,540 --> 00:43:57,380
 And so we had to build, we added additional capacity to the main lanes, but we didn't

578
00:43:57,380 --> 00:44:02,940
 fix any of the access problems because back then they just didn't have enough money to

579
00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:03,940
 do it all.

580
00:44:03,940 --> 00:44:04,940
 Yeah.

581
00:44:04,940 --> 00:44:05,940
 All right.

582
00:44:05,940 --> 00:44:07,940
 Council Member Briggs, you wanted to say something?

583
00:44:07,940 --> 00:44:08,940
 Yes.

584
00:44:08,940 --> 00:44:09,940
 Yeah.

585
00:44:09,940 --> 00:44:10,940
 No, that's what I was going to say.

586
00:44:10,940 --> 00:44:14,620
 I mean, that's why you hear people saying it was fine, now it's worse before they tried

587
00:44:14,620 --> 00:44:18,180
 to fix it, but I don't know that anyone tried to fix anything.

588
00:44:18,180 --> 00:44:21,340
 It's just kind of what happened.

589
00:44:21,340 --> 00:44:28,180
 So I am in agreement with the Chair here that if there's anything we can do on the city

590
00:44:28,180 --> 00:44:35,660
 side or TxDOT to call attention to this before the next few years, I'd like to try to do

591
00:44:35,660 --> 00:44:36,660
 that.

592
00:44:36,660 --> 00:44:45,420
 I think we'll all keep it on the list to try to find something to do in the interim.

593
00:44:45,420 --> 00:44:50,860
 I think one of the things that has made it worse in the last four or five months is with

594
00:44:50,860 --> 00:44:57,260
 the construction on Bonnebray, those who used to exit Bonnebray off of 35E are now trying

595
00:44:57,260 --> 00:45:01,860
 to continue on and going up to 380 to get off because of our construction there.

596
00:45:01,860 --> 00:45:07,180
 So it's just moving around and the quicker we can get Bonnebray completed, I mean, that's

597
00:45:07,180 --> 00:45:13,180
 going to be for city, within the city, it's going to be an alternate route when this goes

598
00:45:13,180 --> 00:45:14,180
 under construction.

599
00:45:14,180 --> 00:45:16,940
 So that needs to be a top priority for us as well.

600
00:45:16,940 --> 00:45:17,940
 Yeah.

601
00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:18,940
 That's a really good point.

602
00:45:18,940 --> 00:45:23,700
 That is the whole point of the Bonnebray project is to serve that purpose.

603
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:24,700
 Okay.

604
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:26,700
 Carry on, John.

605
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:27,700
 All right.

606
00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:28,700
 Next project.

607
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:29,700
 All right.

608
00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:32,340
 So this is the northern segment.

609
00:45:32,340 --> 00:45:34,980
 This is kind of on its own critical path.

610
00:45:34,980 --> 00:45:44,980
 Once you get past 77, it becomes less of an issue for the city, but it did have a cost

611
00:45:44,980 --> 00:45:52,140
 under run, so we had to add additional funds and now between the two projects, we're clipping

612
00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:54,940
 towards a billion dollars worth of improvements.

613
00:45:54,940 --> 00:45:59,020
 We're making to 35 from the merge to the county line.

614
00:45:59,020 --> 00:46:06,780
 So hopefully in a few years, it'll be much better than it is now.

615
00:46:06,780 --> 00:46:10,420
 I think the next project in case there's any questions.

616
00:46:10,420 --> 00:46:12,220
 So we've got the main lanes.

617
00:46:12,220 --> 00:46:13,220
 We'll skip this.

618
00:46:13,220 --> 00:46:17,900
 The only thing we need to know is the text that's got AT&T on contract to do the design,

619
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:24,780
 but if you go to the next project sheet, the interim frontage road projects are things that

620
00:46:24,780 --> 00:46:33,820
 we need to focus on, and we've gotten a request from Hillwood to build part of the frontage

621
00:46:33,820 --> 00:46:38,860
 road system from 407 North on the southbound side.

622
00:46:38,860 --> 00:46:44,820
 And meeting with text that yesterday, they are starting to begin the process of putting

623
00:46:44,820 --> 00:46:50,400
 together the protocol for bringing these projects forward and breakouts.

624
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:57,740
 So I would say probably in the next couple of months, we need to work with staff and

625
00:46:57,740 --> 00:47:06,660
 policy officials of the city to identify those areas y'all want us to focus on for interim

626
00:47:06,660 --> 00:47:12,460
 projects, because we don't have to build the whole frontage road system in this area once

627
00:47:12,460 --> 00:47:14,580
 we can build them where it makes sense.

628
00:47:14,580 --> 00:47:17,700
 >> I have a question.

629
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:23,060
 When a developer reaches out and asks for something or has a specific thing, I mean,

630
00:47:23,060 --> 00:47:30,980
 I'm kind of going back to where the Bucky situation, do they -- I guess, do they -- can

631
00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:37,100
 they pay for that or is that just something if it's already in the text.plans that text.plans

632
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:42,860
 pays for, or would that be something that they could pay to get it done sooner?

633
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:45,020
 >> So they can pay to get it done sooner.

634
00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:56,180
 I have not actually seen a developer put money into an interstate, like, for example, on

635
00:47:56,180 --> 00:48:03,340
 this project that Hillwood wants to expedite, they've already got H&PB under contract to

636
00:48:03,340 --> 00:48:04,340
 do the design.

637
00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:10,700
 The project's already environmentally cleared, and so the critical path item is utilities

638
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:11,700
 and right-of-way.

639
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:16,380
 Well, Hillwood owns all the right-of-way for the frontage road that they want built, and

640
00:48:16,380 --> 00:48:22,260
 so part of the negotiations that is from a county standpoint, we would argue, is that

641
00:48:22,260 --> 00:48:28,660
 if they want us to expedite that segment of frontage road, they need to donate the right-of-way,

642
00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:30,180
 and that's a cost to them.

643
00:48:30,180 --> 00:48:33,900
 I mean, there's value to that frontage.

644
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:41,420
 And then as a -- and then if we get the right-of-way donated, it starts already doing the design,

645
00:48:41,420 --> 00:48:46,120
 the funding is not there for this project yet, and Hillwood did ask if there was a way

646
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:52,540
 to front the money, if they could get paid back, and the answer is no, the state doesn't

647
00:48:52,540 --> 00:48:54,760
 have that mechanism.

648
00:48:54,760 --> 00:49:00,460
 And so it's just a matter of identifying where we want to move forward on these projects,

649
00:49:00,460 --> 00:49:06,020
 and then once I'm told this is where the city wants to start, the right-of-way can be taken

650
00:49:06,020 --> 00:49:10,620
 care of if the developer is on board, the utilities will be its own issue, and so it's

651
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:14,060
 just a matter of us going and finding the construction dollars.

652
00:49:14,060 --> 00:49:19,400
 Okay, thank you.

653
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,460
 So next project, if we don't have any questions.

654
00:49:22,460 --> 00:49:26,740
 So this is your 380 project out to 377.

655
00:49:26,740 --> 00:49:29,420
 The city has turned in their funding.

656
00:49:29,420 --> 00:49:38,900
 We should have a scheduled kickoff meeting probably sometime in November for this project,

657
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:46,580
 and so the next thing you should start seeing is the contractor will provide us with a phase

658
00:49:46,580 --> 00:49:52,140
 schedule and we'll be able to start reporting to you the status of the construction of the

659
00:49:52,140 --> 00:49:54,500
 project.

660
00:49:54,500 --> 00:50:03,020
 So this has gone from project delivery to construction probably in our next meeting.

661
00:50:03,020 --> 00:50:04,700
 Next project.

662
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:18,780
 380 East, this is a segment east of 377, and again, the right-of-way has been completed.

663
00:50:18,780 --> 00:50:23,140
 Utilities, I think this is the one that's on more than one page.

664
00:50:23,140 --> 00:50:32,860
 Utilities are tragic in this area and includes the Denton ISD School District with Braswell,

665
00:50:32,860 --> 00:50:40,720
 and so if we go back to the previous page, we've got a ready-to-let date of May at 21,

666
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:44,820
 and that's when it's scheduled, and I'll be honest with you, we're going to be hard-pressed

667
00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:50,020
 to make that date just because of the impacts we're having with utilities.

668
00:50:50,020 --> 00:50:55,680
 So I look to have this project probably move a little bit.

669
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:00,380
 We had to increase the funding of this project to 140.

670
00:51:00,380 --> 00:51:08,860
 It was around 130 last time we met, and yeah, so the utilities are killing us on this project.

671
00:51:08,860 --> 00:51:16,220
 Unless you have any questions, we'll go to the next project.

672
00:51:16,220 --> 00:51:23,100
 Luke 288 West, okay, so we bought the project environmentally cleared last month, so we're

673
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:25,100
 ready to go into design.

674
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:32,420
 First that's asked the county to pick up the design cost on this project, so depending

675
00:51:32,420 --> 00:51:39,620
 upon what we're going to do, we've already started the right-of-way mapping on this project,

676
00:51:39,620 --> 00:51:45,540
 so we're going to be acquiring all the right-of-way that's needed for Luke 288 for a controlled

677
00:51:45,540 --> 00:51:51,380
 access freeway, but we'll be designing and building just the northbound frontage road

678
00:51:51,380 --> 00:52:01,580
 first, but in order to do that, Chang Patel will have to design pretty far along the entire

679
00:52:01,580 --> 00:52:08,820
 project so that they know where the northbound frontage road lies in relationship to the

680
00:52:08,820 --> 00:52:14,540
 road, and it'll also include, this initial phase will also include grade separations

681
00:52:14,540 --> 00:52:23,300
 at 380 and the railroad track so that we'll address those major crossings in its first

682
00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:32,500
 phase, so I look to have Chang Patel on contract for the design work probably first quarter

683
00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:41,080
 of next year, and that's when we'll start more intense coordination with the city related

684
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:47,220
 to the specific needs they have for that project.

685
00:52:47,220 --> 00:52:50,740
 - I have a question.

686
00:52:50,740 --> 00:52:56,500
 On this one, because it says environmental clearance was received September 2020, and

687
00:52:56,500 --> 00:53:01,420
 I know that we have the first part of this project with the frontage roads, it'll be

688
00:53:01,420 --> 00:53:11,020
 a lot sooner, hopefully, than that date, 2026, so does the environmental clearance last

689
00:53:11,020 --> 00:53:19,160
 six years or would just starting the project with the frontage roads, how does that work?

690
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:20,940
 - That's a good question.

691
00:53:20,940 --> 00:53:26,260
 So back in the day, they used to have shelf life of about three years for these environmental

692
00:53:26,260 --> 00:53:31,840
 documents, and then what happened is they would have to go through a process when they

693
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:39,820
 go to construction is identify continuous activity on the project, well, the continuous

694
00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:47,180
 activity can include the utility relocations, et cetera, and the right-of-way acquisition,

695
00:53:47,180 --> 00:53:55,540
 and so the feds over time relaxed that shelf life issue, and now there's no expiration

696
00:53:55,540 --> 00:54:06,460
 on the environmental document, but between September of 2020 and April of 2026, when

697
00:54:06,460 --> 00:54:12,700
 we go to go to construction on this project, there will probably be what's called a reevaluation

698
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:23,260
 right before the project is awarded to pick up all the things that they didn't find during

699
00:54:23,260 --> 00:54:28,300
 the schematic phase that we find during design, so there'll be areas where we need additional

700
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:32,860
 right-of-way for drainage, there'll be areas where we had to tweak the alignment, and all

701
00:54:32,860 --> 00:54:43,620
 of those will be picked up right before the project is awarded through a reevaluation.

702
00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:46,180
 - Okay.

703
00:54:46,180 --> 00:54:53,700
 - Next project, 1515, this is another project, TxDOT's asked Denton County to do the PS&A

704
00:54:53,700 --> 00:55:01,100
 on, so again, first part of next year, we should have LTRA on contract.

705
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:08,580
 We selected them for everything, both Chank Patel and LTRA were selected to do everything,

706
00:55:08,580 --> 00:55:15,620
 and so we're just getting a scope from them and a fee to do the PS&A phase, and so we

707
00:55:15,620 --> 00:55:22,620
 should have them on contract first part of next year, first quarter.

708
00:55:22,620 --> 00:55:27,340
 - On this project, is this the one with the traffic circle?

709
00:55:27,340 --> 00:55:29,820
 - Yes, ma'am, at Western.

710
00:55:29,820 --> 00:55:39,100
 - Okay, and when you do a project like this, does it include the side paths or sidewalks?

711
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:40,820
 - Yes, ma'am.

712
00:55:40,820 --> 00:55:47,260
 In all TxDOT projects now, they do sidewalks, minimum of sidewalks, five-foot sidewalks

713
00:55:47,260 --> 00:55:57,860
 on both sides, and I got to go back and check, because we cleared this in August, whether

714
00:55:57,860 --> 00:56:01,780
 or not we have a 14-foot outside lane, because that used to be also a requirement to have

715
00:56:01,780 --> 00:56:08,220
 a 14-foot outside lane, but I think they've gotten rid of that requirement recently, and

716
00:56:08,220 --> 00:56:10,340
 they just go to a 12-foot outside lane.

717
00:56:10,340 --> 00:56:12,940
 - Okay, thank you.

718
00:56:12,940 --> 00:56:21,660
 - Next, 1173, this is a project into CRUM, we'll continue to work on it, Garver is doing

719
00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:27,740
 the environmental clearance, we expect to be cleared March next year, and then we'll

720
00:56:27,740 --> 00:56:33,980
 roll into right-of-acquisition and utility relocation, it's a little over $50 million,

721
00:56:33,980 --> 00:56:39,500
 we don't have the funding for it, but I'm fairly confident by the time we need it, we'll

722
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:47,220
 have it funded, and it's consistent, the Bartow Road alignment is consistent with what we're

723
00:56:47,220 --> 00:56:54,660
 putting in the 35 project that was funded, that we went over earlier for the merge project.

724
00:56:54,660 --> 00:57:02,260
 - Next, integrated corridor, I'm going to get you a better map, because I think Becky

725
00:57:02,260 --> 00:57:09,900
 received a better update from folks last week, earlier this week, but essentially we'll focus

726
00:57:09,900 --> 00:57:18,900
 in on the Denton County portion in general and in the city portion in particular, but

727
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:27,580
 this encompasses loop 288, 428, and the integrated east-west corridor, north and south of 380,

728
00:57:27,580 --> 00:57:33,020
 and the outer loop, so it picks up everything, and I think we've got, we had a conversation,

729
00:57:33,020 --> 00:57:35,780
 was that yesterday, Becky?

730
00:57:35,780 --> 00:57:47,180
 It seems like a long time ago, getting old, and so we'll refine what we present, and the

731
00:57:47,180 --> 00:57:55,020
 bottom line is I think that right now the integrated corridor is premature for significant

732
00:57:55,020 --> 00:58:01,780
 public involvement, because COG hasn't even run modeling numbers on these alignments,

733
00:58:01,780 --> 00:58:06,100
 so they're not even sure if they warrant at this point, so I think we're going to back

734
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:12,820
 up a little bit on the communication side of it, but we're going to be continuing to

735
00:58:12,820 --> 00:58:18,860
 pursue it at the staff level with both Tex.com and COG.

736
00:58:18,860 --> 00:58:24,740
 Mr. Polster, on this project, is this the one that a lot of it significantly goes through

737
00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:27,900
 our greenbelt and ESAs?

738
00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:31,100
 Yes, ma'am.

739
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:38,380
 Okay, and we're not, you said we're pulling back on this a little bit, not quite ready,

740
00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:41,740
 because I mean, I know that I'm concerned about some of it.

741
00:58:41,740 --> 00:58:47,340
 Correct, and I think that at the staff level, policy level, city level, you know, between

742
00:58:47,340 --> 00:58:55,800
 the Tex.com and MPO and the city and the county, we all need to have a conversation internally,

743
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,900
 but I don't think it's ready for public involvement, because we don't really even know if any of

744
00:59:00,900 --> 00:59:09,980
 these warrant, and so we do know that the city and core and the county all have concerns

745
00:59:09,980 --> 00:59:13,340
 about the impacts to the greenbelt.

746
00:59:13,340 --> 00:59:17,940
 There's a reason why it's there, and so we just think that it's premature, because we

747
00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:23,740
 really don't have anything we can tell anybody, the public on this, and people are already

748
00:59:23,740 --> 00:59:27,300
 deciding they're not going to plant their spring garden, because they think we're going

749
00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:31,700
 to take it for this road, and we're not even anywhere near even knowing what the alignment

750
00:59:31,700 --> 00:59:32,700
 is.

751
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:36,220
 So I think when I say pull back, it's the public side of it.

752
00:59:36,220 --> 00:59:42,980
 Internally, staffs from all these organizations need to work to vet what we all think about

753
00:59:42,980 --> 00:59:45,460
 this integrated corridor concept.

754
00:59:45,460 --> 00:59:47,740
 Well, thank you for the clarification.

755
00:59:47,740 --> 00:59:51,980
 I know I've heard a lot of people concerned, so I appreciate you speaking to it.

756
00:59:51,980 --> 00:59:52,980
 Yes, ma'am.

757
00:59:52,980 --> 00:59:59,300
 It really does make you wonder what exactly is the huge pressing demand that this will

758
00:59:59,300 --> 01:00:04,580
 meet that will make our lives better, that's better than what we will lose.

759
01:00:04,580 --> 01:00:09,340
 Okay, so excellent question, and that's why we're going to get you some more detailed

760
01:00:09,340 --> 01:00:16,780
 information on your report, but the 2045 projections for 380, which is that D alignment, the purple

761
01:00:16,780 --> 01:00:23,940
 one where the 380 currently exists, where we're coming in and doing a $140 million super

762
01:00:23,940 --> 01:00:29,420
 street where we're adding a sixth, fifth and sixth lane and grade separations at five locations,

763
01:00:29,420 --> 01:00:33,820
 that doesn't, that won't carry the traffic that's needed, because the traffic projections

764
01:00:33,820 --> 01:00:40,020
 are in the 80,000 vehicles per day, which is freeway volumes.

765
01:00:40,020 --> 01:00:46,820
 And so technically speaking, 380 shouldn't be an arterial or a super street, it should

766
01:00:46,820 --> 01:00:52,180
 be a freeway with frontage roads and main lanes.

767
01:00:52,180 --> 01:01:00,660
 But that would decimate all of the development east of 377 as it goes north and all of 380,

768
01:01:00,660 --> 01:01:04,540
 that whole corridor would just have to be torn down and started over.

769
01:01:04,540 --> 01:01:06,340
 And nobody's got the stomach for that.

770
01:01:06,340 --> 01:01:11,940
 So we got to find some thing that carries the traffic east-west in this area that's

771
01:01:11,940 --> 01:01:19,020
 not 380 and that's not as far north as that blue line, which is the outer loop.

772
01:01:19,020 --> 01:01:25,420
 Or we just ignore it and don't do anything, which, you know, who knows what's going to

773
01:01:25,420 --> 01:01:26,420
 happen.

774
01:01:26,420 --> 01:01:31,820
 But there's a driving, there's a drive, there's a need for some additional infrastructure

775
01:01:31,820 --> 01:01:38,340
 in this area and what County's thoroughfare plan demonstrated is that you need all three

776
01:01:38,340 --> 01:01:39,340
 of these corridors.

777
01:01:39,340 --> 01:01:42,840
 You need to make the improvements to 380 that are proposed.

778
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:48,420
 You need the outer loop, but you also need a mid-range project somewhere between the

779
01:01:48,420 --> 01:01:49,420
 two.

780
01:01:49,420 --> 01:01:53,300
 That's another one where you wonder, I mean, I don't know if I would have been smart enough

781
01:01:53,300 --> 01:01:59,260
 to see it, but, you know, if we could have all seen that eventually this is going to

782
01:01:59,260 --> 01:02:02,980
 be needed, then maybe we wouldn't have built the strip malls right up close to the narrow

783
01:02:02,980 --> 01:02:03,980
 road.

784
01:02:03,980 --> 01:02:06,020
 So Denton County saw the issue back.

785
01:02:06,020 --> 01:02:12,860
 This was back when Cynthia Watt was the County Commissioner and we put in a policy and we

786
01:02:12,860 --> 01:02:18,900
 tried to protect it, that corridor, not tell how that corridor developed the way it did,

787
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:28,660
 but developers went around the County, those communities out there, they had those districts

788
01:02:28,660 --> 01:02:36,580
 that were created without our consent and yeah, we tried to stop them, but we were,

789
01:02:36,580 --> 01:02:44,220
 we had, we don't, the County level at the point didn't have the power to stop it and

790
01:02:44,220 --> 01:02:52,860
 text that doesn't stop those things.

791
01:02:52,860 --> 01:02:59,700
 Next, here we get into the more city type projects.

792
01:02:59,700 --> 01:03:09,100
 So Bonnie Bray phase six is the section that we're working with the MPO on for funding

793
01:03:09,100 --> 01:03:17,660
 and timing on it and so we continue to move forward with this project as a total package

794
01:03:17,660 --> 01:03:23,860
 for all of Bonnie Bray and this is the one that we're focused on right now.

795
01:03:23,860 --> 01:03:32,860
 Now what the city is focusing on, just generally speaking, as we go forward in these projects

796
01:03:32,860 --> 01:03:42,300
 is getting funding for Bonnie Bray, Hickory, Crete, and the backfill on May Hill and so

797
01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:46,980
 Bonnie Bray is the one that we got to work on the most, I guess, because we've gotten

798
01:03:46,980 --> 01:03:48,740
 some successes on the other two.

799
01:03:48,740 --> 01:03:56,260
 So I think first quarter next year, we should be able to give you a better idea on the successes

800
01:03:56,260 --> 01:04:00,660
 we've had with the funding on these Bonnie Bray phases.

801
01:04:00,660 --> 01:04:02,820
 We want to go to the next one.

802
01:04:02,820 --> 01:04:11,920
 This is phase seven and this is a segment north of 77 and COG has committed again in

803
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:17,560
 our last meeting with them that they are aware that this is theirs to fund.

804
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:24,420
 So that $10 million that it'll take to do those improvements, COG has said that this

805
01:04:24,420 --> 01:04:34,500
 is on their column to do, there won't be any city funding requests for this.

806
01:04:34,500 --> 01:04:43,700
 So if you go to the next one, okay, so May Hill, last Friday, the 23rd, the city submitted

807
01:04:43,700 --> 01:04:48,500
 a tip modification to COG.

808
01:04:48,500 --> 01:04:58,460
 We've already been prior approved for an additional $4 million in construction on that the green

809
01:04:58,460 --> 01:05:02,540
 segment, I believe, it doesn't matter.

810
01:05:02,540 --> 01:05:09,660
 We needed another $4 million and we submitted that tip mod last Friday and once it goes

811
01:05:09,660 --> 01:05:13,340
 through the process, those funds will be made available to the city, they'll be wired to

812
01:05:13,340 --> 01:05:15,380
 you and we'll be able to finish this project.

813
01:05:15,380 --> 01:05:19,380
 So we were told to submit it the way we submitted it.

814
01:05:19,380 --> 01:05:25,060
 So I'm fairly confident the COG staff will get it approved at the RTC level.

815
01:05:25,060 --> 01:05:31,020
 And once it's approved at the RTC level, that means we have the money and it's just a matter

816
01:05:31,020 --> 01:05:35,420
 of getting the state and the feds put it in their system.

817
01:05:35,420 --> 01:05:39,940
 So good news on the three projects that we're trying to get funded, May Hill, Hicker Creek

818
01:05:39,940 --> 01:05:45,860
 and Bonnebrae, today we can tell you that that tip mod that we submitted basically closes

819
01:05:45,860 --> 01:05:52,740
 out the financial books for May Hill so we don't have to worry about the additional funding

820
01:05:52,740 --> 01:05:53,740
 from the city.

821
01:05:53,740 --> 01:05:54,740
 - Mr. Polster?

822
01:05:54,740 --> 01:05:55,740
 - Yes, ma'am.

823
01:05:55,740 --> 01:06:01,260
 - On this one, on the green, is this the section where you had to work with Medical City?

824
01:06:01,260 --> 01:06:07,420
 I know that they had a lot of questions about right away and stuff.

825
01:06:07,420 --> 01:06:15,000
 Is that this area and has that been communicated and taken care of or is this a different project?

826
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:20,580
 - So the stuff that we're working with Medical City on was for the May Hill interchange in

827
01:06:20,580 --> 01:06:24,580
 the frontage road that goes along the front of their building where we had to have them

828
01:06:24,580 --> 01:06:25,740
 move their sign.

829
01:06:25,740 --> 01:06:32,980
 So there is some impacts to the hospital on the May Hill portion, but it only goes back

830
01:06:32,980 --> 01:06:34,620
 so far.

831
01:06:34,620 --> 01:06:40,100
 So in this particular segment, the impacts that we had with the hospital were due to

832
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:46,260
 the interchange project that we were doing with TechStop that's a breakout project.

833
01:06:46,260 --> 01:06:48,260
 - Okay.

834
01:06:48,260 --> 01:06:50,620
 - So we'll move to the next one.

835
01:06:50,620 --> 01:06:55,620
 So McKinney, we continue to develop this project.

836
01:06:55,620 --> 01:06:56,860
 We're just putting in the report.

837
01:06:56,860 --> 01:07:04,900
 I think if you got questions, the staff will have to give you an update on it.

838
01:07:04,900 --> 01:07:07,500
 If not, that's where we're at.

839
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:08,660
 - I have a question.

840
01:07:08,660 --> 01:07:12,140
 I didn't get to ask it yesterday.

841
01:07:12,140 --> 01:07:21,260
 I did see kids trying to cross McKinney there at the Ryan entrance because the construction

842
01:07:21,260 --> 01:07:25,540
 has taken away the sidewalk there on the Ryan side.

843
01:07:25,540 --> 01:07:31,780
 So kids are actually trying to, they're moving over to the other side and trying to cross

844
01:07:31,780 --> 01:07:32,780
 the street.

845
01:07:32,780 --> 01:07:39,380
 But I don't think that there is a crosswalk button or anything there for their safety

846
01:07:39,380 --> 01:07:42,740
 except for the red light to change.

847
01:07:42,740 --> 01:07:49,420
 In the future, is that planned for a better intersection there for pedestrians to cross?

848
01:07:49,420 --> 01:07:55,820
 Because I think that bus stop is on that side of the road too.

849
01:07:55,820 --> 01:08:01,500
 - Council Member Briggs, we will have to look into that and look at that actual intersection

850
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:07,780
 and make sure that we have evaluated what's gonna happen as far as the crosswalk at Ryan

851
01:08:07,780 --> 01:08:10,980
 High School and we can report back to you on that.

852
01:08:10,980 --> 01:08:11,980
 - Okay.

853
01:08:11,980 --> 01:08:12,980
 Thank you.

854
01:08:12,980 --> 01:08:15,980
 - Yes, ma'am.

855
01:08:15,980 --> 01:08:26,380
 - Okay, so Hickory Creek, good news at the ESTAC meeting on Friday, one of the requests

856
01:08:26,380 --> 01:08:31,900
 the city made in the interim, 'cause we're doing this in multiple phases was an additional

857
01:08:31,900 --> 01:08:37,900
 $10 million on the blue section.

858
01:08:37,900 --> 01:08:41,220
 And so we're eating this a little bit at a time.

859
01:08:41,220 --> 01:08:47,420
 And so the most recent request from the city to cog was for additional $10 million in that

860
01:08:47,420 --> 01:08:48,420
 blue segment.

861
01:08:48,420 --> 01:08:56,660
 And at ESTAC, the technical committee approved the additional $10 million for this project

862
01:08:56,660 --> 01:09:01,780
 and we'll go to RTC in two weeks once it's approved.

863
01:09:01,780 --> 01:09:06,140
 Then it's just a matter of getting it in the state plan and the fed plan.

864
01:09:06,140 --> 01:09:12,540
 But what we'll be able to tell you next month once RTC approves it, that we've got the additional

865
01:09:12,540 --> 01:09:20,700
 10 million for this project that we were asking cog for.

866
01:09:20,700 --> 01:09:26,860
 So we'll be fleshing this out as we get the information.

867
01:09:26,860 --> 01:09:28,380
 This is a working document.

868
01:09:28,380 --> 01:09:33,840
 We just put all the off-system projects in this report, so we'll be filling this stuff

869
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,180
 out with more detail as we develop the report.

870
01:09:37,180 --> 01:09:43,940
 So, and then that's it for my report.

871
01:09:43,940 --> 01:09:48,680
 I don't have any questions.

872
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:53,340
 - Anyone, or should we, ready to move on?

873
01:09:53,340 --> 01:09:57,580
 I think you got your questions along the way.

874
01:09:57,580 --> 01:09:58,580
 So thank you very much.

875
01:09:58,580 --> 01:10:07,460
 - Now what happens, do we keep, is there more, you know, on the off-system?

876
01:10:07,460 --> 01:10:11,460
 - No, sir.

877
01:10:11,460 --> 01:10:14,860
 He's completed with his report and we can move on to the next agenda item.

878
01:10:14,860 --> 01:10:15,860
 - Okay.

879
01:10:15,860 --> 01:10:16,860
 Very good.

880
01:10:16,860 --> 01:10:18,900
 Thanks for clarifying that.

881
01:10:18,900 --> 01:10:25,420
 So that concludes item C. We'll now move to item D, staff update regarding bollards for

882
01:10:25,420 --> 01:10:30,100
 closing downtown streets, Alice University pedestrian access, election day polling location

883
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:35,100
 accessibility slash detour plans, and senior transportation planner slash ADA coordinator

884
01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:36,980
 position status.

885
01:10:36,980 --> 01:10:43,100
 - Good morning everyone, Brian Jahn, city traffic engineer.

886
01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:58,900
 Let me find, okay, I'm not gonna be able to make this full screen, Billy, so I'm just

887
01:10:58,900 --> 01:11:00,620
 gonna go through it.

888
01:11:00,620 --> 01:11:02,580
 So we have four topics today.

889
01:11:02,580 --> 01:11:06,660
 The first one is the bollards for closing downtown.

890
01:11:06,660 --> 01:11:11,740
 This has been on our list for quite some time and basically what I put together is a kind

891
01:11:11,740 --> 01:11:12,740
 of a summary.

892
01:11:12,740 --> 01:11:21,820
 We don't, we don't have a plan, but this will allow us to develop a plan to move forward.

893
01:11:21,820 --> 01:11:27,820
 So four types of bollards, four purposes, embedded bollards, surface mounted bollards,

894
01:11:27,820 --> 01:11:30,860
 rebounding bollards, and then the retractable and removable.

895
01:11:30,860 --> 01:11:36,180
 So for our discussion purposes, we're talking about the operations around the downtown square.

896
01:11:36,180 --> 01:11:41,840
 Currently, we use either vehicles or barricades to block those roadways when we have a function

897
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:42,840
 around the square.

898
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:51,740
 And we're, the purpose of this item was to identify a safer and a little bit more appropriate

899
01:11:51,740 --> 01:11:55,080
 way to block those streets on a regular basis.

900
01:11:55,080 --> 01:12:01,220
 So based on that, any kind of a permanent bollard really doesn't apply.

901
01:12:01,220 --> 01:12:06,140
 And certainly the rebounding bollards, which is something that we use along our bike lanes

902
01:12:06,140 --> 01:12:07,780
 now, doesn't apply.

903
01:12:07,780 --> 01:12:11,700
 So we're really only looking at that last section of retractable removal.

904
01:12:11,700 --> 01:12:16,380
 So it's kind of a decision, do we want to have a permanent bollard that either retracts

905
01:12:16,380 --> 01:12:21,220
 into the roadway, or do we want to have a base that stays in the roadway and we simply

906
01:12:21,220 --> 01:12:23,100
 attach a bollard to it?

907
01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:26,180
 So I'll move through this really quickly.

908
01:12:26,180 --> 01:12:37,140
 Okay, so the, they're really, the design is to allow the city to designate whether or

909
01:12:37,140 --> 01:12:40,420
 not a vehicle can traverse this piece of roadway.

910
01:12:40,420 --> 01:12:48,140
 Again, the two kinds are a retractable, which is typically a hydraulic system, fairly expensive,

911
01:12:48,140 --> 01:12:53,340
 difficult to, not difficult, but expensive to install and expensive to maintain.

912
01:12:53,340 --> 01:13:01,420
 If we are operating something like the feds where you've got an emergency type of bollard,

913
01:13:01,420 --> 01:13:05,620
 or you want to keep traffic out of an area at all times, except when somebody's doing

914
01:13:05,620 --> 01:13:10,620
 a garage or you need a delivery, then those retractables are the appropriate type of bollard.

915
01:13:10,620 --> 01:13:13,980
 However, our events are fairly spread out.

916
01:13:13,980 --> 01:13:17,020
 We don't, they're not on a weekly or a daily basis.

917
01:13:17,020 --> 01:13:21,780
 So our recommendation is to really go with something more along the lines of the retractable

918
01:13:21,780 --> 01:13:22,780
 bollard.

919
01:13:22,780 --> 01:13:25,300
 And I've got some exhibits here that show you the difference.

920
01:13:25,300 --> 01:13:32,260
 Here's a, here's a retractable bollard, you've got a base that is permanent and you simply

921
01:13:32,260 --> 01:13:36,980
 have a truck or a trailer with a bunch of bollards and these are installed manually.

922
01:13:36,980 --> 01:13:39,500
 You lock them down.

923
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:45,700
 I've seen this number of places, the city of Fort Worth uses this at Royal Rogers Coliseum

924
01:13:45,700 --> 01:13:49,900
 during the stock show rodeo where they want to change the traffic pattern.

925
01:13:49,900 --> 01:13:56,140
 They can just simply install these bollards fairly quickly and, but you do have to have

926
01:13:56,140 --> 01:14:00,220
 a place to store them and you do have to have a crew to install them and then remove them.

927
01:14:00,220 --> 01:14:02,620
 And that's the downside of the retractable.

928
01:14:02,620 --> 01:14:06,980
 So on the right hand side, you see these, the removal bread on the right hand side of

929
01:14:06,980 --> 01:14:07,980
 the screen.

930
01:14:07,980 --> 01:14:13,660
 You see the retractables, very extensive construction, again, typically hydraulic.

931
01:14:13,660 --> 01:14:18,540
 And so they come with a maintenance component that the removals don't have.

932
01:14:18,540 --> 01:14:24,020
 Our recommendation, if we want to move forward with bollards are permanent is to go with

933
01:14:24,020 --> 01:14:30,020
 the removable, we still have to have some construction effort.

934
01:14:30,020 --> 01:14:38,380
 But for 90% of the time, it's simply a smooth roadway surface and when we want to close

935
01:14:38,380 --> 01:14:44,000
 those roadways, we send a crew out with a trailer full of bollards and we close whatever.

936
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:50,300
 So moving forward, what we would need is, this begs another discussion of where do we

937
01:14:50,300 --> 01:14:58,940
 want to be able to close the roadways because once we make the decision to move to a bollard,

938
01:14:58,940 --> 01:15:03,000
 we don't have the flexibility that we have with barricades or vehicles.

939
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,580
 They're in the same place every time.

940
01:15:04,580 --> 01:15:09,700
 So we really need to spend some time and discuss where we want to put these bollards, how far

941
01:15:09,700 --> 01:15:10,700
 away from the square?

942
01:15:10,700 --> 01:15:14,020
 Is it just the first roadways around the square?

943
01:15:14,020 --> 01:15:17,860
 Do we want to go back one or do we want to have a system of bollards?

944
01:15:17,860 --> 01:15:23,300
 But those are some questions that we would have and we need some further discussion if

945
01:15:23,300 --> 01:15:25,060
 that would please the committee.

946
01:15:25,060 --> 01:15:30,420
 >> If I could ask -- >> So the second item is, we've talked about

947
01:15:30,420 --> 01:15:31,420
 this for a while.

948
01:15:31,420 --> 01:15:32,420
 >> I have a question.

949
01:15:32,420 --> 01:15:37,020
 >> Especially with this committee and especially with traffic safety, is the pedestrian access

950
01:15:37,020 --> 01:15:39,360
 at Allison University.

951
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:40,360
 >> Can you pause for questions?

952
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:46,620
 >> If anyone is familiar with -- oh, okay.

953
01:15:46,620 --> 01:15:48,500
 >> Yeah, Councilmember Briggs.

954
01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:49,500
 >> Okay.

955
01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:50,500
 Questions?

956
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:51,500
 >> Yeah, sorry.

957
01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:52,500
 Thank you.

958
01:15:52,500 --> 01:15:58,180
 >> This is one of the things that I have been asking about for a while, and I appreciate

959
01:15:58,180 --> 01:15:59,180
 the presentation.

960
01:15:59,180 --> 01:16:05,140
 My question is, because normally we do have the large giant fire trucks or barricades

961
01:16:05,140 --> 01:16:11,500
 manned by officers, which our public safety could be -- our trucks could be used in other

962
01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:13,620
 purposes, other places.

963
01:16:13,620 --> 01:16:17,700
 Do the removable bollards actually stop vehicles?

964
01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:22,140
 Because one of my concerns for wanting to do this was to stop vehicles from plowing

965
01:16:22,140 --> 01:16:23,620
 down large crowds.

966
01:16:23,620 --> 01:16:26,740
 >> And it would depend on the type of bollard.

967
01:16:26,740 --> 01:16:28,860
 There are light duty and heavy duty.

968
01:16:28,860 --> 01:16:37,500
 So some of them are actually very stout and they extend into a base.

969
01:16:37,500 --> 01:16:43,260
 So instead of a light duty bollard, which was the image I showed, simply bolting or

970
01:16:43,260 --> 01:16:49,140
 locking into a lightweight plate, basically you have a cover and then you have a sleeve

971
01:16:49,140 --> 01:16:54,420
 that goes down several feet into the roadway and you put a very strong, very robust bollard

972
01:16:54,420 --> 01:16:58,140
 and those will stop most vehicles.

973
01:16:58,140 --> 01:17:04,020
 Obviously if you have a concrete truck, we're out of luck, but for most passenger vehicles,

974
01:17:04,020 --> 01:17:05,020
 those are enough.

975
01:17:05,020 --> 01:17:10,460
 And it also depends on the spacing, you have to have the bollards close enough so that

976
01:17:10,460 --> 01:17:12,820
 they actually impact more than one bollard.

977
01:17:12,820 --> 01:17:18,940
 But yes, there are systems that will in fact prevent that vehicle from perversing beyond

978
01:17:18,940 --> 01:17:19,940
 the bollard.

979
01:17:19,940 --> 01:17:20,940
 >> Okay.

980
01:17:20,940 --> 01:17:23,540
 Well, I personally am interested in exploring this further.

981
01:17:23,540 --> 01:17:29,660
 I know we have several events, outdoor events where we close down the square, you know,

982
01:17:29,660 --> 01:17:37,220
 pre-COVID and also when the weather gets nice where I think it would be worthy of more discussion.

983
01:17:37,220 --> 01:17:43,660
 I don't know how that moves on or if this committee agrees to that or not, but that's

984
01:17:43,660 --> 01:17:44,660
 my input.

985
01:17:44,660 --> 01:17:52,980
 >> So if you have a desire, we can put together a true agenda item and not just a staff update

986
01:17:52,980 --> 01:17:59,020
 and really start discussing where we want these bollards, again, a little bit more maybe

987
01:17:59,020 --> 01:18:03,780
 about the type of bollard and the function that we want to do if we don't be able to

988
01:18:03,780 --> 01:18:08,180
 stop a vehicle or if it's just we want to deter people from driving, those are two different

989
01:18:08,180 --> 01:18:09,180
 functions.

990
01:18:09,180 --> 01:18:13,060
 So we can bring that back as a full agenda item in a month or two.

991
01:18:13,060 --> 01:18:18,500
 >> Yeah, I would support that if you want to, you know, get a majority.

992
01:18:18,500 --> 01:18:25,180
 And just as a preliminary thought on where, I'm sure with more thought you'll refine this,

993
01:18:25,180 --> 01:18:30,900
 but it seems like on the first blush you'd need to have it at each of the four sides

994
01:18:30,900 --> 01:18:37,060
 of the intersections on each of the corners of the square, right, because, you know, it's

995
01:18:37,060 --> 01:18:42,340
 going to vary when you need to shut down, you know, by event which throughout you need

996
01:18:42,340 --> 01:18:43,340
 to preserve.

997
01:18:43,340 --> 01:18:50,700
 So, you know, unless you -- yeah, I think it have to -- and then there may be application

998
01:18:50,700 --> 01:18:53,840
 further down Hickory and industrial as well.

999
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,700
 >> Yeah, I agree with that.

1000
01:18:55,700 --> 01:19:00,380
 I'm thinking about the car shows where it goes all the way, you know, to the corners

1001
01:19:00,380 --> 01:19:05,100
 there for the -- just at the four corners around the square.

1002
01:19:05,100 --> 01:19:07,500
 But then, you know, we have our downtown main street.

1003
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:12,940
 We have a lot of the boards and stuff, too, for downtown to look into this.

1004
01:19:12,940 --> 01:19:18,420
 And so there's, you know, different possibilities for funding and input.

1005
01:19:18,420 --> 01:19:25,800
 >> Yeah, I think I'd like to see a little bit more data on where we have been blocking

1006
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,500
 off for different functions in the past.

1007
01:19:27,500 --> 01:19:34,620
 Is there specific places that get used, you know, 50% of the time or 70% of the time,

1008
01:19:34,620 --> 01:19:37,700
 or is it always all over the place?

1009
01:19:37,700 --> 01:19:43,100
 >> Yeah, Chamber of Main Street Association would probably be really useful.

1010
01:19:43,100 --> 01:19:49,860
 But, yeah, the data and the input, yeah, maybe it's always out to the corners, but it just

1011
01:19:49,860 --> 01:19:54,700
 seems to me that there are some situations where, for instance, you might want to keep

1012
01:19:54,700 --> 01:19:59,140
 Elm and Locust open.

1013
01:19:59,140 --> 01:20:05,580
 And maybe I'm making that up, but, you know, you're just cutting off the Oak and Hickory

1014
01:20:05,580 --> 01:20:11,140
 parts, in which case then that changes where the bollards would have to be.

1015
01:20:11,140 --> 01:20:17,540
 >> Okay, we're ready to continue.

1016
01:20:17,540 --> 01:20:20,380
 >> Okay, carry on.

1017
01:20:20,380 --> 01:20:26,060
 >> Okay, so back on the Alice -- this is the pedestrian access in the northeast corner

1018
01:20:26,060 --> 01:20:32,140
 of Allison University, so if you're not familiar with this is what it looks like today, and

1019
01:20:32,140 --> 01:20:35,140
 this photo is looking west.

1020
01:20:35,140 --> 01:20:40,900
 So if you'll see, we've got a no pedestrian crossing here, but we've got PED indications

1021
01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:46,820
 to go across university, but once they get to this university, there's literally nowhere

1022
01:20:46,820 --> 01:20:48,060
 for them to go.

1023
01:20:48,060 --> 01:20:52,700
 There's a raised curve behind, there's no sidewalk in either direction.

1024
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:56,900
 So it's kind of a trap, and it's been a problem for quite some time.

1025
01:20:56,900 --> 01:21:01,820
 We've worked with Textot and the property owners over the last several months and have

1026
01:21:01,820 --> 01:21:09,060
 developed a plan, which you can see here, which will allow somebody to cross the university,

1027
01:21:09,060 --> 01:21:15,060
 travel east a little ways, and then this area, this becomes a landing ramp and allows them

1028
01:21:15,060 --> 01:21:18,300
 to proceed into the retail area.

1029
01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:24,340
 So again, we've been working with the property owners, everybody is on board with this, and

1030
01:21:24,340 --> 01:21:30,460
 we are ready to move forward with construction, and it's a very inexpensive project, but again,

1031
01:21:30,460 --> 01:21:34,260
 most of the concrete, most of the flat work is done, we're simply building the accessible

1032
01:21:34,260 --> 01:21:41,620
 ramp, and we may -- I think there's another page of that, and after this, we do have some

1033
01:21:41,620 --> 01:21:47,700
 markings, some paint behind this just to create kind of a safe zone and allow them to move

1034
01:21:47,700 --> 01:21:50,540
 forward into the parking lot.

1035
01:21:50,540 --> 01:21:54,820
 It's not a permanent solution, but it does at least get the -- someone's in a wheelchair

1036
01:21:54,820 --> 01:22:01,300
 or a power chair, it gets them an opportunity to get off the roadway and continue on to

1037
01:22:01,300 --> 01:22:03,820
 the destinations in that retail area.

1038
01:22:03,820 --> 01:22:07,500
 Are there any questions?

1039
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:08,500
 >> No questions.

1040
01:22:08,500 --> 01:22:09,500
 Just thank you.

1041
01:22:09,500 --> 01:22:12,140
 Just a thank you for working on this.

1042
01:22:12,140 --> 01:22:13,140
 >> This is a problem.

1043
01:22:13,140 --> 01:22:17,820
 If it is a trap for pedestrians, especially if you're not that familiar with the area,

1044
01:22:17,820 --> 01:22:26,180
 or you're unsighted, then there is literally nowhere for somebody to cross as they access

1045
01:22:26,180 --> 01:22:32,160
 that Northside University.

1046
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:36,300
 So the next one is some of the project that we were working on a couple weeks ago, we've

1047
01:22:36,300 --> 01:22:42,700
 got the early polling places done, basically preparing some maps because of the construction

1048
01:22:42,700 --> 01:22:49,820
 and because of a lot of other access restrictions that we've been placing on ourselves, we developed

1049
01:22:49,820 --> 01:22:57,820
 some maps to -- where they're on the website to direct travelers to the polling location.

1050
01:22:57,820 --> 01:23:02,260
 So this is a typical -- basically you click on that and you'll be able to see your direction

1051
01:23:02,260 --> 01:23:09,220
 of preferred direction of travel if you want to access the civic center in this case, and

1052
01:23:09,220 --> 01:23:13,580
 these are the primary roadways that we recommend.

1053
01:23:13,580 --> 01:23:31,980
 And so we have those for each and every polling location, and I think -- here's the -- we'll

1054
01:23:31,980 --> 01:23:36,460
 have a list of the polling locations and you click on those and you get a directional map.

1055
01:23:36,460 --> 01:23:41,260
 So this is something that we're developing for this year, and I think we'll probably

1056
01:23:41,260 --> 01:23:47,940
 want to continue that for all of the Election Day activities moving forward.

1057
01:23:47,940 --> 01:23:57,100
 And then the last one I have is the Senior Transportation Planner/ADA coordinator position

1058
01:23:57,100 --> 01:23:58,540
 update.

1059
01:23:58,540 --> 01:24:06,780
 We were positioned to go to posting the week of the 19th of October, however, we're reworking,

1060
01:24:06,780 --> 01:24:14,620
 retuning the titling of this so that we can -- there are some grant funding opportunities

1061
01:24:14,620 --> 01:24:20,140
 that are linked to a title that has the word "bicycle" or "bike" in it, so we're going

1062
01:24:20,140 --> 01:24:25,300
 to add that element, and then we will be posting this position the first week of November,

1063
01:24:25,300 --> 01:24:28,540
 I believe, early in November.

1064
01:24:28,540 --> 01:24:33,900
 Again, this is going to be a difficult position to fill, so we will leave this open until

1065
01:24:33,900 --> 01:24:39,800
 we actually fill it so that we can have the maximum exposure to the candidate pool, but

1066
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,420
 -- >> Why do you think it's going to be difficult

1067
01:24:42,420 --> 01:24:44,620
 to fill?

1068
01:24:44,620 --> 01:24:47,840
 >> It's an unusual combination of skill sets.

1069
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:55,260
 What we're trying to do is add the ADA coordinator as a specific requirement in addition to the

1070
01:24:55,260 --> 01:25:01,020
 bike ped and some more standard transportation planning elements.

1071
01:25:01,020 --> 01:25:10,420
 We're trying to beef up the -- well, I have a better word, the skill set, the tools that

1072
01:25:10,420 --> 01:25:19,180
 this person brings, we're adding some responsibilities and some duties that we currently don't have

1073
01:25:19,180 --> 01:25:20,180
 in our toolbox.

1074
01:25:20,180 --> 01:25:26,740
 So we need a dedicated transportation planner that also does bike and ped coordination,

1075
01:25:26,740 --> 01:25:33,820
 and that can do ADA review and ADA planning for the city in the right of way.

1076
01:25:33,820 --> 01:25:39,580
 This particular ADA coordinator would be responsible for public right of way, not facilities and

1077
01:25:39,580 --> 01:25:40,580
 not parks.

1078
01:25:40,580 --> 01:25:43,100
 So it's the roadway right of way.

1079
01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:49,820
 How do we make sure that our pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure is adequate?

1080
01:25:49,820 --> 01:25:56,100
 We talked a little bit last time about the ADA transition plan that we have in the past,

1081
01:25:56,100 --> 01:26:00,700
 and that's an element that will certainly be in the purview of this person, and it's

1082
01:26:00,700 --> 01:26:06,300
 the execution of the improvements that are required to bring our existing pedestrian

1083
01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:09,780
 and ADA infrastructure into compliance.

1084
01:26:09,780 --> 01:26:15,780
 So again, we're just adding some responsibilities and some different duties that this position

1085
01:26:15,780 --> 01:26:22,740
 didn't have before, and so it's -- and they're all important, and so the bike/ped is obviously

1086
01:26:22,740 --> 01:26:27,380
 important, the ADA coordinator part is important, and that transportation planner, we're talking

1087
01:26:27,380 --> 01:26:32,460
 about roadway projects and bringing all that complete street elements and the vision zero

1088
01:26:32,460 --> 01:26:35,460
 elements in.

1089
01:26:35,460 --> 01:26:42,260
 It's a limited pool of applicants who are going to have all of these skill sets.

1090
01:26:42,260 --> 01:26:46,620
 I have a question, Brian -- or, Chair, may I?

1091
01:26:46,620 --> 01:26:47,620
 Okay.

1092
01:26:47,620 --> 01:26:48,620
 Go ahead.

1093
01:26:48,620 --> 01:26:49,620
 Okay.

1094
01:26:49,620 --> 01:26:50,620
 Thank you for adding to this.

1095
01:26:50,620 --> 01:26:55,980
 I know that we had some questions and concerns about not having that bike/ped part in there

1096
01:26:55,980 --> 01:27:01,620
 where we couldn't get funding or designation for a bicycle-friendly community, which, you

1097
01:27:01,620 --> 01:27:05,780
 know, if we're looking at livability, that's one of the things that we've discovered is,

1098
01:27:05,780 --> 01:27:10,020
 you know, a priority for some people.

1099
01:27:10,020 --> 01:27:15,580
 Is it possible because -- I mean, this could be, you know, a staffing issue, but since

1100
01:27:15,580 --> 01:27:22,460
 it's hard to find both of those in one person, is it possible to have the bike person under

1101
01:27:22,460 --> 01:27:23,460
 the ADA person?

1102
01:27:23,460 --> 01:27:30,700
 I mean, are we trying to create something that doesn't exist with this job listing?

1103
01:27:30,700 --> 01:27:35,820
 I mean, it would be -- if we're making it more difficult to hire somebody, I'm just

1104
01:27:35,820 --> 01:27:36,820
 -- I'm curious.

1105
01:27:36,820 --> 01:27:42,260
 But would it be easier to have two or try to push it?

1106
01:27:42,260 --> 01:27:46,820
 I'd like three, but we have -- that's our problem is we're limited right now to one

1107
01:27:46,820 --> 01:27:56,940
 FTE, one position, and I don't think any of those three categories is a full-time job,

1108
01:27:56,940 --> 01:28:03,300
 and the only concern I have is if we start adding and we have all three of them in there,

1109
01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:07,740
 that does become a very full position, very -- a lot of responsibilities.

1110
01:28:07,740 --> 01:28:14,900
 So the answer to your question would be yes, it would be better if we had two, but I don't

1111
01:28:14,900 --> 01:28:15,900
 believe we do.

1112
01:28:15,900 --> 01:28:23,380
 And so we're trying to add as much as we can and still make that job doable.

1113
01:28:23,380 --> 01:28:24,380
 I think it's worth a try.

1114
01:28:24,380 --> 01:28:31,060
 It's not a pure unicorn, because it's like basically all the non-automotive right now.

1115
01:28:31,060 --> 01:28:34,340
 >> I imagine that does come up elsewhere, too.

1116
01:28:34,340 --> 01:28:43,580
 >> One of the reasons we wanted to add the planner portion to it is because if we listed

1117
01:28:43,580 --> 01:28:48,740
 it as a bike/ped coordinator, then the people who have the skill set that we're looking

1118
01:28:48,740 --> 01:28:52,960
 for probably won't apply, because it's not -- that's not what they want to do.

1119
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:54,660
 That's not what their skill set is.

1120
01:28:54,660 --> 01:28:59,500
 They're more -- they're planners with the transportation specialization, yes, they can

1121
01:28:59,500 --> 01:29:03,780
 do bike/ped, because that's all the complete streets, context-sensitive, vision zero stuff

1122
01:29:03,780 --> 01:29:09,660
 that they do, but then we're also adding that ADA coordinator piece, and that's the part

1123
01:29:09,660 --> 01:29:16,760
 that most planners won't have, and so we're going to have to find -- I know of two people

1124
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:22,860
 that are probably adequate and their skill set is enough to fill what we're looking for,

1125
01:29:22,860 --> 01:29:28,020
 but it's -- the transportation planner piece really does incorporate the bike/ped stuff,

1126
01:29:28,020 --> 01:29:33,020
 so I'm not -- I don't have a problem with the title and making sure that we include that,

1127
01:29:33,020 --> 01:29:37,620
 but most transportation planners are not ADA specialists, so that's the unicorn, if there

1128
01:29:37,620 --> 01:29:43,700
 is one, of a piece that makes it kind of a unicorn is that adding that ADA coordinator,

1129
01:29:43,700 --> 01:29:51,700
 but that is an important piece for our -- this position, that's a -- we need an ADA coordinator

1130
01:29:51,700 --> 01:29:57,420
 who will be looking at all the developments that's coming in, our city projects, and managing

1131
01:29:57,420 --> 01:30:03,020
 that ADA transition plan to bring our infrastructure into compliance.

1132
01:30:03,020 --> 01:30:04,580
 >> So chair -- question?

1133
01:30:04,580 --> 01:30:05,580
 >> Okay.

1134
01:30:05,580 --> 01:30:06,580
 >> Okay.

1135
01:30:06,580 --> 01:30:11,740
 So I know my -- part of my concern is the timing, because, you know, we've been without

1136
01:30:11,740 --> 01:30:15,580
 for a little bit, and then all the plans are coming up, and it's a good time to have somebody

1137
01:30:15,580 --> 01:30:19,500
 here to help us review them.

1138
01:30:19,500 --> 01:30:27,100
 You talked about the ADA coordination, or how difficult is that to get?

1139
01:30:27,100 --> 01:30:32,540
 Would it be, like, you could hire somebody who has mostly everything, but is -- I mean,

1140
01:30:32,540 --> 01:30:34,780
 is it like a four-year college?

1141
01:30:34,780 --> 01:30:38,420
 I just -- I don't know about the certification for that.

1142
01:30:38,420 --> 01:30:41,660
 Is it a difficult thing to get?

1143
01:30:41,660 --> 01:30:42,660
 >> It is -- it's not.

1144
01:30:42,660 --> 01:30:47,180
 It's just -- and we talked a little bit about this at the Committee on Persons with Disabilities

1145
01:30:47,180 --> 01:30:55,580
 last month, and I think we got agreement that those certifications is -- that's something

1146
01:30:55,580 --> 01:30:58,580
 that we can teach to the right person.

1147
01:30:58,580 --> 01:31:03,380
 If we can find the right candidate who has the skill set and has the basic knowledge

1148
01:31:03,380 --> 01:31:06,340
 of ADA, we can get those certifications.

1149
01:31:06,340 --> 01:31:09,780
 It might take several months to get the ones that -- all of the certifications that we

1150
01:31:09,780 --> 01:31:11,700
 want, or maybe even longer.

1151
01:31:11,700 --> 01:31:15,380
 It just depends on when they're available for application, when they can attend those

1152
01:31:15,380 --> 01:31:19,540
 certifications, but certainly something that's teachable.

1153
01:31:19,540 --> 01:31:23,820
 It's really just -- if we could find somebody that has all three, great.

1154
01:31:23,820 --> 01:31:28,820
 If we can't, then I think the direction we got from the Committee was, well, find the

1155
01:31:28,820 --> 01:31:34,900
 right person who has the bike/ped stuff, who is a transportation planner, who knows the

1156
01:31:34,900 --> 01:31:39,700
 mobility part of it, and then we will train them on the ADA coordinator piece.

1157
01:31:39,700 --> 01:31:40,700
 >> Okay.

1158
01:31:40,700 --> 01:31:42,580
 Thank you for sharing their comments.

1159
01:31:42,580 --> 01:31:43,580
 Appreciate it.

1160
01:31:43,580 --> 01:31:49,660
 >> You need to be a good community outreach person, too, just vocalizing certificates.

1161
01:31:49,660 --> 01:31:52,580
 >> That was one of our requirements is personality.

1162
01:31:52,580 --> 01:31:57,480
 How well does this person deal with crowds and making presentations, et cetera, and that's

1163
01:31:57,480 --> 01:31:58,820
 an important piece as well.

1164
01:31:58,820 --> 01:32:03,420
 Somebody -- there's got to be somebody who can interact with this community.

1165
01:32:03,420 --> 01:32:07,220
 >> These are two of the toughest crowds in Nascar traffic.

1166
01:32:07,220 --> 01:32:10,980
 Two of the toughest crowds in Denver.

1167
01:32:10,980 --> 01:32:13,600
 >> Yes, they are.

1168
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:14,600
 That's all I had.

1169
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:19,460
 >> Any other questions before we go to concluding items?

1170
01:32:19,460 --> 01:32:20,460
 >> No.

1171
01:32:20,460 --> 01:32:21,460
 That was a lot.

1172
01:32:21,460 --> 01:32:22,460
 Thank you.

1173
01:32:22,460 --> 01:32:23,460
 >> Great.

1174
01:32:23,460 --> 01:32:24,460
 Lots of progress.

1175
01:32:24,460 --> 01:32:25,460
 Okay.

1176
01:32:25,460 --> 01:32:29,180
 Anybody have any concluding items?

1177
01:32:29,180 --> 01:32:30,180
 >> I do.

1178
01:32:30,180 --> 01:32:31,180
 >> Please.

1179
01:32:31,180 --> 01:32:32,780
 >> Of course.

1180
01:32:32,780 --> 01:32:39,500
 So I've seen pictures of cars continuing to park on Hickory Street in the bike lane, and

1181
01:32:39,500 --> 01:32:43,260
 the bollards are spread out pretty far.

1182
01:32:43,260 --> 01:32:48,860
 I'm just wondering what we could do to add a few more bollards there to -- I mean, if

1183
01:32:48,860 --> 01:32:55,080
 they're there to keep cars out and keep bikes safe, then obviously there's something not

1184
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:56,820
 working.

1185
01:32:56,820 --> 01:32:57,820
 What would that take?

1186
01:32:57,820 --> 01:33:02,900
 Does that have to come back through this committee, or is it a funding issue?

1187
01:33:02,900 --> 01:33:06,020
 Just a little bit -- maybe a report on that.

1188
01:33:06,020 --> 01:33:10,860
 And then the next thing is the Carroll Boulevard Road Diet.

1189
01:33:10,860 --> 01:33:17,220
 I know it was on the matrix for a while, and we kind of glanced over it a little bit in

1190
01:33:17,220 --> 01:33:25,820
 the one-way street discussion, but we never really had a full presentation on it.

1191
01:33:25,820 --> 01:33:28,120
 And I'm just wondering a date on that.

1192
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:35,260
 Maybe it's after the mobility plan, or just a timeline on when a good time to have that

1193
01:33:35,260 --> 01:33:37,900
 discussion would be.

1194
01:33:37,900 --> 01:33:39,260
 That's it.

1195
01:33:39,260 --> 01:33:40,660
 >> Okay.

1196
01:33:40,660 --> 01:33:42,260
 John, anything?

1197
01:33:42,260 --> 01:33:43,260
 >> No.

1198
01:33:43,260 --> 01:33:44,260
 I'm good.

1199
01:33:44,260 --> 01:33:45,260
 >> Good.

1200
01:33:45,260 --> 01:33:49,220
 All right.

1201
01:33:49,220 --> 01:33:52,140
 I had one, but Kaley did it already.

1202
01:33:52,140 --> 01:33:55,860
 So let's adjourn at 10.35.

1203
01:33:55,860 --> 01:33:56,860
 Bye.

1204
01:33:56,860 --> 01:33:57,860
 >> Bye.

1205
01:33:57,860 --> 01:33:59,860
 Thank you.