1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 - Nine o'clock and we have a quorum, a virtual quorum. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:12,780 So we'll call to order the October 26, 2020 3 00:00:12,780 --> 00:00:15,060 public utility board meeting. 4 00:00:15,060 --> 00:00:18,180 The first item is the consent agenda items A through D. 5 00:00:18,180 --> 00:00:20,840 Does any board member wish to pull any item? 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,180 Billy, go ahead. 7 00:00:25,180 --> 00:00:27,020 - I'd like to pull item A. 8 00:00:27,020 --> 00:00:27,980 - A. 9 00:00:27,980 --> 00:00:29,780 - Yes, A is an alpha. 10 00:00:29,780 --> 00:00:33,940 And then Ed, same one, okay. 11 00:00:33,940 --> 00:00:38,940 All right, how about motion to approve items B, C and D. 12 00:00:38,940 --> 00:00:42,580 - I move we approve those items. 13 00:00:42,580 --> 00:00:46,180 - All in favor say I. 14 00:00:46,180 --> 00:00:47,500 - I. 15 00:00:47,500 --> 00:00:50,440 - Opposed, item A. 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,280 - Ed, go ahead. 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,100 - Oh, you want me to go ahead? 18 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:58,520 Okay, I just had a couple of questions. 19 00:01:00,380 --> 00:01:05,380 Are recyclables included in the total amount 20 00:01:05,380 --> 00:01:07,740 of disposed waste? 21 00:01:07,740 --> 00:01:10,180 - I'm gonna ask Brian Borner who should be on the line 22 00:01:10,180 --> 00:01:11,620 to respond to that. 23 00:01:11,620 --> 00:01:12,940 - Thank you. 24 00:01:12,940 --> 00:01:13,780 - Good morning, sir. 25 00:01:13,780 --> 00:01:15,540 This is Brian Borner, director of solid waste 26 00:01:15,540 --> 00:01:17,380 to the city of Denton. 27 00:01:17,380 --> 00:01:21,540 The fee or tax that the state charges 28 00:01:21,540 --> 00:01:24,860 is only for items that are disposed. 29 00:01:24,860 --> 00:01:28,260 So the material that actually enters the landfill, 30 00:01:28,260 --> 00:01:30,740 anything that we're able to divert, 31 00:01:30,740 --> 00:01:32,940 whether it's from our bins on the curb 32 00:01:32,940 --> 00:01:35,260 or the yard waste program, 33 00:01:35,260 --> 00:01:39,500 that tonnage is not accounted for in this calculation. 34 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:42,100 - Okay, so would I be correct in assuming 35 00:01:42,100 --> 00:01:46,580 that if the city did ramp up a really comprehensive 36 00:01:46,580 --> 00:01:50,860 composting program that it would reduce 37 00:01:50,860 --> 00:01:56,080 this annual tax to the TCEQ? 38 00:01:56,980 --> 00:01:59,940 - If we did that, did something with relation 39 00:01:59,940 --> 00:02:02,900 to big metals, textile recycling, 40 00:02:02,900 --> 00:02:06,340 anything that diverts tonnage from the landfill, 41 00:02:06,340 --> 00:02:07,860 again, would reduce this. 42 00:02:07,860 --> 00:02:10,980 But again, this is not in addition 43 00:02:10,980 --> 00:02:13,660 to what the landfill pays. 44 00:02:13,660 --> 00:02:18,420 I can equate this to the taxes you pay 45 00:02:18,420 --> 00:02:21,760 when you purchase fuel for your vehicle. 46 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,620 You pay, let's say, $2 a gallon, 47 00:02:24,620 --> 00:02:28,900 almost 45 cents of that is actually state 48 00:02:28,900 --> 00:02:30,740 and then federal fees. 49 00:02:30,740 --> 00:02:33,380 You never see it, there's not a tax for it. 50 00:02:33,380 --> 00:02:35,600 Same thing with our landfill gate rates. 51 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,260 If we send zero to the landfill, we pay zero to the state. 52 00:02:39,260 --> 00:02:44,260 If we send 100 tons, then we pay the 94 cents per ton 53 00:02:44,260 --> 00:02:47,260 on that 100 ton valuation. 54 00:02:47,260 --> 00:02:51,180 - So conceivably then, if there were a robust 55 00:02:51,180 --> 00:02:55,120 food waste recycling or composting program 56 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,100 would reduce that fee because the tonnage 57 00:02:58,100 --> 00:03:00,380 would be less going into the landfill. 58 00:03:00,380 --> 00:03:03,700 Is that a safe assumption to make? 59 00:03:03,700 --> 00:03:05,260 - That is a correct statement, but again, 60 00:03:05,260 --> 00:03:08,140 it's net neutral to the revenue of the city of Denton. 61 00:03:08,140 --> 00:03:10,620 - Okay, thank you. 62 00:03:10,620 --> 00:03:15,780 - Billy, did you have a different question? 63 00:03:15,780 --> 00:03:18,980 - Yes, I knew the heads would be smarter than mine, 64 00:03:18,980 --> 00:03:21,540 so I'll let him go first. 65 00:03:21,540 --> 00:03:25,620 I have a two-fold question. 66 00:03:25,620 --> 00:03:29,580 For that said quarter, I'm assuming that means 67 00:03:29,580 --> 00:03:34,180 there's around 450,000, 440 something thousand tons 68 00:03:34,180 --> 00:03:36,140 or 460,000 tons. 69 00:03:36,140 --> 00:03:42,500 What were the revenues for that said quarter 70 00:03:42,500 --> 00:03:45,260 and do we have an estimate of what the outside 71 00:03:45,260 --> 00:03:49,500 sourced material coming in from that quarter might be? 72 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:55,820 - That's a really good question and in most quarters, 73 00:03:55,820 --> 00:03:58,900 about half is what is called outside waste, 74 00:03:58,900 --> 00:04:02,240 either from our third party haulers under contract 75 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,740 or just your mom and pops that are coming, 76 00:04:04,740 --> 00:04:07,740 hauling material here coming across the scale. 77 00:04:07,740 --> 00:04:11,040 The remainder of it comes from within the city of Denton. 78 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,880 And again, seasonally it ebbs and flows, 79 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,880 but again the roughly 460,000 tons that this would equate 80 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:26,580 to is about 100,000 tons on average per quarter. 81 00:04:26,580 --> 00:04:33,420 - It was 94 cents a ton, I thought. 82 00:04:33,420 --> 00:04:34,440 - That is correct. 83 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:39,100 - So okay, I'm sorry, you're saying 100,000 tons 84 00:04:39,100 --> 00:04:42,060 of that is probably outside waste or mom and pop, 85 00:04:42,060 --> 00:04:43,740 we don't know where it came from. 86 00:04:43,740 --> 00:04:45,260 - Well, it's half of that. 87 00:04:45,260 --> 00:04:48,100 Again, half of our tonnage comes in from outside 88 00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:54,500 the city of Denton and it could just be the person 89 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:58,700 that lives right across the city limits area. 90 00:04:58,700 --> 00:05:02,540 We have mom and pops and just residents of Lewisville 91 00:05:02,540 --> 00:05:04,860 and Aubrey and Pilot Point and Sanger and Valley View 92 00:05:04,860 --> 00:05:07,220 that put things in the back of their cars, 93 00:05:07,220 --> 00:05:08,260 their trucks and bring it here. 94 00:05:08,260 --> 00:05:10,900 And then we also have the contract waste haulers. 95 00:05:10,900 --> 00:05:13,380 So about half of any of the material 96 00:05:13,380 --> 00:05:16,460 that's coming in in any given quarter 97 00:05:16,460 --> 00:05:21,140 will be roughly waste from outside the city of Denton. 98 00:05:21,140 --> 00:05:25,740 - Okay, all right. 99 00:05:25,740 --> 00:05:27,500 I'm not a big fan of that. 100 00:05:27,500 --> 00:05:33,220 I realize it generates revenues, 101 00:05:33,220 --> 00:05:36,700 but I've always been a fan of prolonging the life 102 00:05:36,700 --> 00:05:39,020 of the existing landfill rather than 103 00:05:41,260 --> 00:05:43,300 letting other folks come in. 104 00:05:43,300 --> 00:05:46,540 Obviously there's a monetary factor there 105 00:05:46,540 --> 00:05:48,740 and there's an environmental factor as well. 106 00:05:48,740 --> 00:05:54,540 So anyway, thank you for your answers. 107 00:05:54,540 --> 00:05:55,620 - Thank you. 108 00:05:55,620 --> 00:05:57,860 - Karen, did you have a question? 109 00:05:57,860 --> 00:05:58,700 - You're muted. 110 00:05:58,700 --> 00:06:03,860 - You're muted, Karen. 111 00:06:03,860 --> 00:06:05,160 - Sorry, there we go. 112 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,620 I just wanna say I had no idea the amount 113 00:06:08,620 --> 00:06:10,620 from outside was that much. 114 00:06:10,620 --> 00:06:11,780 I had no idea. 115 00:06:11,780 --> 00:06:14,660 That just changes the picture for me completely 116 00:06:14,660 --> 00:06:19,060 on those contracts that we just approved for the rates. 117 00:06:19,060 --> 00:06:20,660 I think we just changed the rates 118 00:06:20,660 --> 00:06:23,180 at which outside Denton people 119 00:06:23,180 --> 00:06:26,660 were bringing stuff to the landfill. 120 00:06:26,660 --> 00:06:28,420 We just approved, I think a rate increase, 121 00:06:28,420 --> 00:06:29,380 I don't remember exactly, 122 00:06:29,380 --> 00:06:32,880 but we addressed that at the PUB and I had no idea. 123 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,260 It was so, thanks for bringing that up, Billy and Ed, 124 00:06:36,260 --> 00:06:39,260 because that's a game changer for me. 125 00:06:39,260 --> 00:06:42,220 I think it's half of what's going into our landfill 126 00:06:42,220 --> 00:06:44,220 is from non-City of Denton people 127 00:06:44,220 --> 00:06:48,860 for a municipal utility. 128 00:06:48,860 --> 00:06:51,380 Doesn't seem like our job to take care of Lewisville. 129 00:06:51,380 --> 00:06:54,500 So anyway, thanks to you guys for bringing that up. 130 00:06:54,500 --> 00:07:00,360 All right, do we have a motion to approve? 131 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,700 - So moved. 132 00:07:03,700 --> 00:07:08,100 - Did you say second, Billy? 133 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:09,840 - Will. 134 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,100 - Second. 135 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:12,740 - All in favor say aye. 136 00:07:12,740 --> 00:07:13,980 - Aye. 137 00:07:13,980 --> 00:07:14,820 - Opposed? 138 00:07:14,820 --> 00:07:17,020 Motion carries. 139 00:07:17,020 --> 00:07:22,100 Next item is consideration approval 140 00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:24,700 of the October 12th, 2020 minutes. 141 00:07:24,700 --> 00:07:26,600 Do we have a motion to approve those? 142 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:31,460 Ed's motioned and a second? 143 00:07:31,460 --> 00:07:33,900 - Second. 144 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:35,780 - Okay, we'll give it to Karen. 145 00:07:35,780 --> 00:07:37,060 You both said it at the same time. 146 00:07:37,060 --> 00:07:38,580 All in favor say aye. 147 00:07:38,580 --> 00:07:39,420 - Aye. 148 00:07:39,420 --> 00:07:41,200 - Opposed? 149 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,540 Okay, then management reports. 150 00:07:43,540 --> 00:07:44,740 - So on your management reports, 151 00:07:44,740 --> 00:07:48,140 we didn't have any specific memos this week. 152 00:07:48,140 --> 00:07:52,540 Although I did send you guys a email on Friday 153 00:07:52,540 --> 00:07:56,780 regarding the transmission cost of service for DME 154 00:07:56,780 --> 00:08:00,820 and we'll be bringing you additional information on that 155 00:08:00,820 --> 00:08:02,780 on December 14th, when we come back to you 156 00:08:02,780 --> 00:08:05,500 and I do a year end wrap up discussion 157 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:08,420 on where the utilities ended up. 158 00:08:08,420 --> 00:08:10,020 We will have a discussion with you 159 00:08:10,020 --> 00:08:12,580 about what potential impacts that may be having. 160 00:08:12,580 --> 00:08:17,620 Again, we're required by November of 2021 161 00:08:17,620 --> 00:08:20,260 to submit that application 162 00:08:20,260 --> 00:08:22,540 to the Public Utility Commission of Texas. 163 00:08:22,540 --> 00:08:24,780 The other item that's on here for December 14th 164 00:08:24,780 --> 00:08:26,580 is an item from our engineering group 165 00:08:26,580 --> 00:08:28,580 to discuss construction specifications 166 00:08:28,580 --> 00:08:30,900 and standard details. 167 00:08:30,900 --> 00:08:33,940 There'll be a work session on that. 168 00:08:33,940 --> 00:08:37,980 And then the next item is the new business action items. 169 00:08:37,980 --> 00:08:41,140 I just wanted to make sure that we were all on board 170 00:08:41,140 --> 00:08:44,540 with the first item having been completed 171 00:08:44,540 --> 00:08:48,700 on the request for the lawsuit at DME. 172 00:08:48,700 --> 00:08:49,860 And so I just wanna make sure 173 00:08:49,860 --> 00:08:51,380 that we're all good with that. 174 00:08:51,380 --> 00:08:55,380 And then the only item that we have remaining 175 00:08:55,380 --> 00:08:57,020 is a discussion pilot project 176 00:08:57,020 --> 00:08:59,540 on recycling residential composting. 177 00:08:59,540 --> 00:09:02,900 So with that, that concludes our management report. 178 00:09:02,900 --> 00:09:04,580 If you have any questions. 179 00:09:04,580 --> 00:09:07,100 - Robert, do you have a question? 180 00:09:07,100 --> 00:09:08,020 You're on mute. 181 00:09:08,020 --> 00:09:19,780 - Here we go. 182 00:09:19,780 --> 00:09:21,900 That report that you have to file 183 00:09:21,900 --> 00:09:24,300 from the Public Utility Commission, 184 00:09:24,300 --> 00:09:26,460 that seemed rather extensive. 185 00:09:26,460 --> 00:09:28,740 Do they usually not give you much? 186 00:09:28,740 --> 00:09:32,620 I would think you would get more time for that. 187 00:09:32,620 --> 00:09:35,220 Is that short of short notice or? 188 00:09:35,220 --> 00:09:37,940 - Well, we did not get a notice. 189 00:09:37,940 --> 00:09:42,060 I happened to find out two days before that hearing 190 00:09:42,060 --> 00:09:44,260 that that actually had been filed. 191 00:09:44,260 --> 00:09:46,500 And so we had a pretty robust conversation 192 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:48,740 with our consultants about making sure 193 00:09:48,740 --> 00:09:51,780 that they're keeping an eye on that for us going forward. 194 00:09:51,780 --> 00:09:53,020 But we did participate in that. 195 00:09:53,020 --> 00:09:56,180 Terry Nolte provided a little bit of testimony 196 00:09:56,180 --> 00:09:58,620 to the commission, requested additional time 197 00:09:58,620 --> 00:09:59,940 and that was denied. 198 00:09:59,940 --> 00:10:04,060 The chair of the commission was pretty clear 199 00:10:04,060 --> 00:10:06,260 in her opening remarks on that item 200 00:10:06,260 --> 00:10:10,140 that we were gonna be called in for a full rate case. 201 00:10:10,140 --> 00:10:12,740 And so that's been decided. 202 00:10:12,740 --> 00:10:14,980 And so we're gonna be working 203 00:10:14,980 --> 00:10:18,380 with some extra consultants to go through that process. 204 00:10:18,380 --> 00:10:22,260 It has been 15 years since DME has done a full rate case, 205 00:10:22,260 --> 00:10:24,220 although we've been pretty diligent 206 00:10:24,220 --> 00:10:27,100 on submitting interim rate filings every year, 207 00:10:27,100 --> 00:10:28,060 at least once a year. 208 00:10:28,060 --> 00:10:29,820 And so they know what we're doing 209 00:10:29,820 --> 00:10:31,620 and they're very familiar. 210 00:10:31,620 --> 00:10:35,220 But unfortunately, that 28% rate of return, 211 00:10:35,220 --> 00:10:39,460 which is really a product of the method 212 00:10:39,460 --> 00:10:42,180 that's being utilized is somewhat deceiving. 213 00:10:42,180 --> 00:10:44,980 And I think they've kind of hung on to that. 214 00:10:44,980 --> 00:10:46,980 It wouldn't be a surprise for you to hear 215 00:10:46,980 --> 00:10:49,260 that the commission staff was intent 216 00:10:49,260 --> 00:10:52,500 of getting rid of that methodology that we've been using, 217 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:54,100 but they weren't successful. 218 00:10:54,100 --> 00:10:55,580 And so we're gonna work with someone to come in 219 00:10:55,580 --> 00:10:58,140 and help us kind of go through the various methodologies, 220 00:10:58,140 --> 00:11:01,820 make sure that we protect our utility 221 00:11:01,820 --> 00:11:04,220 and also our rate payers as best we can 222 00:11:04,220 --> 00:11:05,900 and then take that forward. 223 00:11:05,900 --> 00:11:10,620 - It seemed like it was short notice. 224 00:11:10,620 --> 00:11:12,380 - Yes, ma'am. 225 00:11:12,380 --> 00:11:15,460 - Thank you. 226 00:11:15,460 --> 00:11:18,020 - Billy? 227 00:11:18,020 --> 00:11:19,220 - Just to follow up on that. 228 00:11:19,220 --> 00:11:25,260 In our history, I have been told through staff, of course, 229 00:11:25,260 --> 00:11:26,540 not my education. 230 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:30,860 That we were always worried about going back 231 00:11:30,860 --> 00:11:32,820 for rate case study, 232 00:11:32,820 --> 00:11:34,340 because we thought that we were getting 233 00:11:34,340 --> 00:11:39,180 a pretty good return with what we were getting 234 00:11:39,180 --> 00:11:41,660 without producing new transmission lines. 235 00:11:41,660 --> 00:11:46,660 But is that a concern that that 28, is it 28.5? 236 00:11:46,660 --> 00:11:50,060 - It's 28.05. 237 00:11:50,060 --> 00:11:52,820 I would tell you that our effective rate of return 238 00:11:52,820 --> 00:11:54,980 has really been more like 16 to 19%. 239 00:11:54,980 --> 00:11:57,180 So we've certainly been well below that. 240 00:11:57,180 --> 00:11:59,620 So I think there's probably some room there 241 00:11:59,620 --> 00:12:01,300 that if they were to come down, 242 00:12:01,300 --> 00:12:05,020 we'd probably be a revenue neutral impact to us. 243 00:12:05,020 --> 00:12:08,300 I think where those statements have come from 244 00:12:08,300 --> 00:12:12,660 has really been what other IOUs and MOUs, 245 00:12:12,660 --> 00:12:17,660 non IOUs have seen recently in single digit rate of returns. 246 00:12:17,660 --> 00:12:21,860 And so I think that's where the potential danger is. 247 00:12:21,860 --> 00:12:26,300 But again, we're one of very few, as I understand, 248 00:12:26,300 --> 00:12:29,140 entities that use this cashflow methodology. 249 00:12:29,140 --> 00:12:31,420 So I think once we look at the other methodologies, 250 00:12:31,420 --> 00:12:35,300 there's one methodology that only IOUs can utilize 251 00:12:35,300 --> 00:12:37,260 so that won't be available to us. 252 00:12:37,260 --> 00:12:39,260 But we'll go through all three of them. 253 00:12:39,260 --> 00:12:42,940 There's a potential here that from a cashflow standpoint, 254 00:12:42,940 --> 00:12:44,540 it may still be a net neutral, 255 00:12:44,540 --> 00:12:46,500 even if it's a lower rate of return. 256 00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:49,300 I think at the end, if that's what happens, 257 00:12:49,300 --> 00:12:51,260 we'll probably be in good footing. 258 00:12:51,260 --> 00:12:53,820 But until we go through those calculations, Billy, 259 00:12:53,820 --> 00:12:55,260 still unknown. 260 00:12:56,380 --> 00:12:57,500 - Got a question? 261 00:12:57,500 --> 00:12:59,020 - Thanks, Tony. - Go ahead. 262 00:12:59,020 --> 00:13:02,180 - Tony, for the sake of people who might be watching this 263 00:13:02,180 --> 00:13:03,100 and might not know, 264 00:13:03,100 --> 00:13:06,380 what basically is this cost of service study about 265 00:13:06,380 --> 00:13:09,860 and what is its purpose? 266 00:13:09,860 --> 00:13:13,740 - Well, so the city invests in transmission assets 267 00:13:13,740 --> 00:13:18,060 that go to benefit the entire Archive grid. 268 00:13:18,060 --> 00:13:23,060 And so all users of that system pay for a portion 269 00:13:24,060 --> 00:13:26,260 of those transmission assets. 270 00:13:26,260 --> 00:13:29,860 And so this is really a return on the city's investment 271 00:13:29,860 --> 00:13:33,740 for making these types of asset investments 272 00:13:33,740 --> 00:13:37,460 that go to benefit all the ERCOT system, 273 00:13:37,460 --> 00:13:39,380 not just the municipal electric. 274 00:13:39,380 --> 00:13:43,020 And so it gets passed through to everyone. 275 00:13:43,020 --> 00:13:45,060 Likewise, there's assets that we utilize 276 00:13:45,060 --> 00:13:47,180 that don't belong to the city of Denton 277 00:13:47,180 --> 00:13:48,580 that we also compensate. 278 00:13:48,580 --> 00:13:52,500 And you'll see some of those payment authorizations 279 00:13:52,500 --> 00:13:57,460 coming to you here in the next meeting or so. 280 00:13:57,460 --> 00:14:00,740 So we invest in transmission assets 281 00:14:00,740 --> 00:14:01,580 that benefit the system, 282 00:14:01,580 --> 00:14:03,740 but we also benefit from investments of others. 283 00:14:03,740 --> 00:14:04,780 And so it's a way for us 284 00:14:04,780 --> 00:14:08,020 to kind of improve the overall system. 285 00:14:08,020 --> 00:14:09,300 - Thanks. - Yes, sir. 286 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:15,020 - Then it's concluding items. 287 00:14:15,020 --> 00:14:18,740 Does any board member wish to have a future agenda item 288 00:14:18,740 --> 00:14:21,740 or have any comments to make at this point? 289 00:14:21,740 --> 00:14:23,260 Go ahead, Billy. 290 00:14:23,260 --> 00:14:24,500 - Thank you, Susan. 291 00:14:24,500 --> 00:14:26,300 Okay, so in the discussion 292 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:28,740 of the outside waste of the landfill, 293 00:14:28,740 --> 00:14:31,540 and I think maybe, and I will, 294 00:14:31,540 --> 00:14:35,380 obviously the council may want to look at this as well, 295 00:14:35,380 --> 00:14:38,220 but I'd like to be able to give them 296 00:14:38,220 --> 00:14:41,020 a good recommendation going forward 297 00:14:41,020 --> 00:14:44,300 of what we might want to do about the outside waste, 298 00:14:44,300 --> 00:14:47,380 what that effect is on the life of the landfill, number one. 299 00:14:47,380 --> 00:14:50,860 Number two, what's the effect of revenues? 300 00:14:50,860 --> 00:14:53,100 Because I realized that will cost 301 00:14:53,100 --> 00:14:55,460 the current taxpayers more. 302 00:14:55,460 --> 00:14:59,020 That's the downfall of eliminating 303 00:14:59,020 --> 00:15:01,220 or reducing outside waste. 304 00:15:01,220 --> 00:15:07,260 And obviously, if we are gonna take outside waste, 305 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:09,100 should we raise those rates? 306 00:15:09,100 --> 00:15:13,700 And the effect of raising those rates 307 00:15:13,700 --> 00:15:15,660 on whether they'll come or not. 308 00:15:19,420 --> 00:15:22,060 - And will that be a part of the solid waste management 309 00:15:22,060 --> 00:15:25,700 plan update that we're currently working on? 310 00:15:25,700 --> 00:15:29,660 - I think I'll-- - This is Brian Burner. 311 00:15:29,660 --> 00:15:30,860 - No, go ahead, Brian. 312 00:15:30,860 --> 00:15:32,660 - Yeah, this is Brian Burner again. 313 00:15:32,660 --> 00:15:37,140 Revenues and cost of service will be evaluated 314 00:15:37,140 --> 00:15:38,700 as part of the solid waste strategy 315 00:15:38,700 --> 00:15:42,060 and looking at where our waste is coming from 316 00:15:42,060 --> 00:15:46,340 and how it's managed from a waste shed standpoint, 317 00:15:46,340 --> 00:15:48,020 that will be part of the evaluation 318 00:15:48,020 --> 00:15:49,940 of the solid waste management strategy. 319 00:15:49,940 --> 00:15:53,420 - Okay, does that satisfy you, Billy? 320 00:15:53,420 --> 00:15:55,580 - I think so. 321 00:15:55,580 --> 00:15:58,180 I just like to make sure it's specific to that category 322 00:15:58,180 --> 00:16:02,380 and hopefully that's taken out into a separate category 323 00:16:02,380 --> 00:16:03,580 because I know that's a big deal 324 00:16:03,580 --> 00:16:06,900 and it was a discussion we had 15 years ago as well. 325 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:10,420 - I have a question. 326 00:16:10,420 --> 00:16:11,260 - Yes, go ahead. 327 00:16:11,260 --> 00:16:16,740 - Correct me if I'm wrong, the current contracts 328 00:16:16,740 --> 00:16:19,900 with outside haulers are for three years. 329 00:16:19,900 --> 00:16:20,780 Is that correct? 330 00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:24,100 And how many? 331 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:27,220 - That is correct. 332 00:16:27,220 --> 00:16:29,620 - And how many, I know there was, 333 00:16:29,620 --> 00:16:33,580 how many are there? 334 00:16:33,580 --> 00:16:34,420 How many haulers? 335 00:16:34,420 --> 00:16:38,060 - There are six contracts that we have, 336 00:16:38,060 --> 00:16:40,580 four haulers and two municipalities. 337 00:16:40,580 --> 00:16:45,580 - And I remember I recall asking quite a while ago 338 00:16:45,940 --> 00:16:50,500 and I don't think the matter had not been settled 339 00:16:50,500 --> 00:16:55,260 but no one could tell at that point 340 00:16:55,260 --> 00:17:03,500 which haulers were bringing recycled material 341 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:04,860 and which haulers weren't 342 00:17:04,860 --> 00:17:09,860 or if the materials had not been recycled. 343 00:17:09,860 --> 00:17:14,420 You said somebody, perhaps it was you, I don't recall, 344 00:17:14,420 --> 00:17:16,940 I apologize, but said that that was something 345 00:17:16,940 --> 00:17:18,220 that had to be worked out. 346 00:17:18,220 --> 00:17:20,860 So basically what I'm asking in a broad way 347 00:17:20,860 --> 00:17:23,860 is are there any recycling requirements 348 00:17:23,860 --> 00:17:29,700 for this outside garbage? 349 00:17:29,700 --> 00:17:35,540 Does that make any sense? 350 00:17:35,540 --> 00:17:40,860 - It does, Ed, we can certainly get you that information 351 00:17:40,860 --> 00:17:43,220 as part of bringing this back. 352 00:17:43,220 --> 00:17:44,700 - Okay, I appreciate it greatly. 353 00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:45,520 Thank you. 354 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:52,220 - I guess there are no other items. 355 00:17:52,220 --> 00:17:54,100 Do we have a motion to adjourn? 356 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:56,980 - I move we adjourn. 357 00:17:56,980 --> 00:17:57,820 - All right. 358 00:17:57,820 --> 00:17:58,660 - Second. 359 00:17:58,660 --> 00:17:59,900 - There we go. 360 00:17:59,900 --> 00:18:00,740 See you later. 361 00:18:00,740 --> 00:18:01,580 - Thank you all. 362 00:18:01,580 --> 00:18:02,420 - Thank you, special records. 363 00:18:02,420 --> 00:18:03,260 - Thank you. 364 00:18:03,260 --> 00:18:04,100 - Take care.