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 - We'll open today's meeting at 12.03 and we'll start with roll.

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 Lonea Franklin, I'm here. Michelle Lynn.

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 - I'm also on mute. Sorry about that. I'm here.

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 - Nick Baggampore, I think he's absent.

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 Meredith Ewing.

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 - Here.

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 - Alicia Egert.

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 - Here.

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 - Jody Ismer.

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 - Here.

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 - Fred Nicholson.

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 - Here.

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 - Harry Nobles.

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 - Ed Steele.

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 - Here.

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 - Georgina Ngozi.

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 - Here.

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 - We're all accounted for.

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 - We'll start with item one and let's go over the minutes from last month,

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 September 14th, 2020.

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 - Actually, Mene, we have a presentation from the public, Ms. Lonea McAdams.

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 - All right. Go ahead.

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 - Are you ready for me?

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 - Yes.

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 - I just wanted to comment about the public art piece that's being developed and designed

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 for the recognition of the work done by the Women's Interracial Fellowship.

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 I was a member of that organization and I think we did a phenomenal job of some things

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 and we didn't go far enough, unfortunately, but what we are looking at now is the proposal

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 for a piece of art that recognizes the women and the work that they did.

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 We like the design very much, it's colorful, flowing, and it seems to have a lot of pieces

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 to it and could stimulate a lot of conversation about the Women's Interracial Fellowship and

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 why we did what we did and how that group of women happened to get together.

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 These women who met yesterday were all members of the Women's Interracial Fellowship and

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 they unanimously were supportive of placing the monument in the Industrial Street Park

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 area.

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 We think it's very important that as many people as possible see it and we think that

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 it would have a much wider audience at the Industrial Street site than it would if it

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 were placed in Fredmore Park, just as a matter of course the Fredmore Park is in a neighborhood,

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 the Industrial Street site gets a lot of traffic both coming to Denton for things and going

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 in that area to visit the restaurants and the wine bars and what have you, but it's

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 a place that prior to the COVID, which has dragged us all down, prior to that it had

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 a lot of traffic and a lot of young people and I think it's important that those people

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 see what we did and while we were very proud of what we accomplished, young people often

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 look at it with a jaundiced eye and think, "Well, that wasn't so much what those old

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 people did," but given the time and the circumstances, it was a monumental task and I always like

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 to think of Trudy Foster because Trudy was a person who, she was a kind and she was the

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 sort of person you'd say, Trudy was a sweet person.

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 She had a lovely smile and she was very warm and Trudy's attitude was when she suggested

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 something or proposed to the city that they perhaps could do this or that and the city

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 said, "No, we can't do that," Trudy would smile and look very nice and say, "What can

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 we do?"

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 You know, she just assumed that something could be done and if you couldn't do what

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 she had suggested, it behooved you to come up with some other positive suggestion, not

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 just a negative in the form of a no and that would put an end to it.

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 And much of our success in getting the streets paid, which was the primary thing we did during

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 that time and effort, was because of Trudy.

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 Those streets would not have been paid if it had not been for Trudy and her diligence

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 in going forth to the city time after time to work on that.

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 I will answer any questions.

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 I think that Fredmore Park gets plenty of traffic with all the new legion halls coming

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 up, they're building that and I think it will tie in nicely and then we don't have any art

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 at the park.

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 Personally, I don't think nothing's wrong with the park and then we have basketball

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 games there every day, baseball fields packed all the time.

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 There's plenty of kids that can learn from it right there under the tree and they can

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 probably put a bench there and there's a pavilion right there, Juneteenth's over there.

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 And the group thought that the other site was better because it was--

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 Is there a certain audience you're trying to target or what do you--

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 We hope to get a lot of people both white and black and the primary, the people who

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 primarily use Fredmore Park are black.

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 No, they're not.

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 They're white and black.

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 Well, I know they have some but--

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 I live right in front of here, I see them every day riding their bikes, jogging, skating,

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 walking dogs.

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 It doesn't really compare to the people who are on the east side of the square.

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 It doesn't make me any difference, it doesn't matter personally but I was just wondering

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 is there a reason why you don't want that park?

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 It was because, I think because those of us who were there during that time, we feel like

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 we want to step out of that one neighborhood and be a part of the city as a whole.

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 And we want large numbers of people to see us, to see what we did.

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 And that's why we would prefer to have it where the crowds are bigger and more diverse.

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 I think that what came up was the idea of having it in a neighborhood park versus something

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 that is in a retail, open, accessible to everybody who visits the city.

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 Actually I see to both locations, however I really truly feel like many more people,

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 especially people out of Denton who don't know our story, might learn more if it was

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 in a public place as opposed to a neighborhood.

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 May I say something?

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 Georgina.

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 Hi Georgina.

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 Hello.

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 Ms. McAdams, I understand your point of view very well and was leaning, was responding

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 to this project from the same headset that it would give the sculpture a more prominent

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 place in the city.

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 As I listen to Monet, as well as you, what I think I am realizing now is that the truth

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 of the matter is that either one of the places are more dominant for one population versus

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 the other.

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 Treadmoor is more African American and Industrial is more white and other, I would say.

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 You don't see a lot of African American people in that corridor.

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 And I know that those are the two sites that have been taken under consideration during

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 this period and I'm wondering, and I put it out to everyone to weigh in, if there's something

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 that could be done, if it goes to Industrial, that some signage or some programming or some

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 extension of that sculpture be at Treadmoor so that you are kind of directed and forced

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 to go to both places because the real ambition here, I think, is to show the bridge between

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 those two populations in our community.

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 So I totally get your argument and I do strongly feel the same.

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 Just if I can interrupt real quickly, I think this is great discussion, but I think it should

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 be on the agenda item specifically instead of the presentation from the members of public.

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 So if we don't mind, if we could carry that.

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 And I do have a follow up for you, Georgina, when we get to that item that I think answers

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 your question very well.

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 Okay.

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 Thank you.

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 Sorry, Monet.

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 Sorry to interrupt there.

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 Can we go on to item two?

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 Yes, ma'am.

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 All right.

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 Item two, center approval for the minutes of -- oh, that's two.

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 Receive report and hold discussion and give staff input regarding the status of the following

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 public art projects.

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 Number one, Dog Park.

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 Number two, the Vela Complex.

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 Three, Tennis Center.

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 Four, Fire Station.

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 Number three, five, foundations of our history mural and six MLK project.

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 Everyone's going to bring up that presentation and walk us through.

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 This is an update for the public art projects as they currently are.

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 We have the North Lakes Dog Park with the same budget as we've had, the same subcommittee,

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 and we've got still under artist review.

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 We still need to finalize the alternative selection for the artist for that one.

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 So our next step is to get that project finalized and the brief done and then request those

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 proposals from the artists.

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 The second one is the G Rowland Vela Athletic Complex.

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 This budget is being -- or working on transferring money from the Vela Athletic Complex construction

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 project account, which will actually bring the entire project up to about $100,000 of

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 funding.

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 And right now we've received a proposal from Ray King, one of the artists that was preselected

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 in the preselected group.

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 And so that one we've actually received, and we can share a bit more information about

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 that one.

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 Gary, did you have anything to add?

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 Just to provide some follow-up, you know, just to remember that we went out for bid

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 for the $35,000, and the selected artists that the subcommittee proposed replied and

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 said that wasn't enough based on the scope.

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 So we did have some money left from the construction project of that park.

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 It is bond-related money, so it's specifically dedicated to that location.

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 If we want to change that use of that funding, we have to go to the bond committee, which

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 can be done, the bond oversight committee, which can be done.

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 But we thought this would be good use of that funding to finish that project.

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 We are doing some additional signage.

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 We have an arch going at the entryway, the name, as well as historical sign for Dr. Villa,

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 and based off the theme and the proposal, we felt it was good use of the funding.

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 If the committee is -- if the public art committee is in support of it, we'll immediately turn

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 it around and take it to city council for consideration.

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 And if they approve that, we can begin construction.

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 The timeline that they've provided is June of '21.

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 So that's, you know, eight months away.

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 And we could get that installed and celebrate that if you guys are in support of that direction.

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 John, could you bring up the proposal so they could see that?

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 >> Okay.

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 Hang on just a moment here and we'll bring it up.

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 If you're going back, the theme that we asked the artist was based off of soccer and community

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 education and, you know, biology, since that's where Dr. Villa and his passions were.

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 So that was the theme that they worked off of.

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 And I think they've done a pretty good job, if you had an opportunity to see that.

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 We did share it with the Villa family, and they liked the proposal as well.

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 So we wanted to provide you that information in addition to.

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 So here's -- I'll let John take it from here.

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 >> So this is the proposal that was received by Ray Kingley, just got this in on Monday.

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 And so it's kind of big as far as the screen goes, but we won't need to go through all

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 of it.

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 But he essentially talks all about the background for what he's trying to be able to create.

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 And essentially, he wants to be able to blend both the idea of the soccer along with Dr.

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 Villa's background.

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 And you can see that the actual piece there is a soccer ball.

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 And then inside are the stainless steel spheres to show how just the chemistry of it.

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 So it reflects both Dr. Villa and for the complex out there.

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 >> That is beautiful.

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 I've never seen the picture before.

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 >> That is -- that was his artist rendering for it.

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 And now some of the other things that you can see actual installations here for things

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 that he's done in the past that have a similar kind of a look to them.

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 And so he does some pretty large types of projects like this.

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 And so you get an idea of the space and what he's really trying to be able to create.

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 And this one here kind of brings it home for us because this is where the actual area is

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 with the pedestal in this area.

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 And then how this will sit in that particular spot.

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 >> I like it.

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 I'd say he hit a home run, but that's the wrong sport.

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 >> Goal.

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 >> Goal.

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 >> That's the perfect one.

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 John, keep scrolling down to the bottom.

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 I think the last photo really tells a story where it frames it specifically in that facility.

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 Right there.

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 I think that's great.

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 We are going to have an arch across the front.

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 This is the view from the front -- from the -- well, he's photoshopped this a little bit.

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 This is with the placement out front when this pedestal is actually on the back.

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 So it would be a little bit in the distance on the other side of the archway.

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 But across the front from pole to pole at the very top there will be an arch kind of

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 following the roof line that will say Vela Athletic Complex.

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 And they were out there this morning actually with a preinstallation.

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 So that should be done in the next week or two.

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 But this will be sent a little bit back just kind of where the light is behind the shade

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 in that arch.

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 So I think from a framing standpoint it could be perfect.

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 >> I have to say -- can you hear me?

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 >> Yes.

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 >> I was skeptical about the idea of trying to get artists to combine soccer and microbiology.

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 But I'm really impressed with how that was done in this sculpture.

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 It's kind of amazing.

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 >> I think the soccer ball is fairly subtle.

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 I didn't even pick it up the first time that I looked at it.

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 And there's also a star in the middle of it, too.

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 So John, you maybe scroll up to the very beginning, you might be able to see that if you zoom

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 in.

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 So there's a star in the middle of that, that's -- and that --

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 Do we have any other questions?

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 >> My question was if the pedestal shown in his rendering is what the pedestal actually

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 looks like.

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 Because you said that's already there, correct?

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 >> The pedestal is there.

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 It's not stained.

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 I don't think we stained it.

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 I think it's just gray at this point in time.

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 I have to go back and double-check.

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 But we could surely stain it post-construction.

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 >> But the actual dimensions of the pedestal are kind of represented here.

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 He was given those, and so those -- that kind of proportion is represented correctly?

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 >> Yes, ma'am.

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 We had a meeting last year while this was being finalized, and we actually met at the

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 animal services shelter on that day and walked over, and the group identified where that

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 was going to go, and we went ahead and had the pedestal put in during the construction

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 process so we didn't have to tear up the concrete, and we used those dimensions to -- and weight

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 limits and provided them as part of our scope.

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 >> Jerry, I have a question.

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 Will there be any lighting on the sculpture at night?

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 >> Great question.

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 So there's lighting in this general vicinity.

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 We did talk about it -- I wasn't sure if it was at our meeting when we met out there about

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 possibly putting maybe some spotlights up into the rafters that would shoot down on

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 the pedestal and the sculpture, so that's something we can definitely look at.

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 I think we need to go out there at night and see what the existing lighting looks like.

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 It may already be flooded enough with lighting where that may not make a big deal, but we

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 could certainly get a lighting contractor out there to see if we couldn't do something

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 that would provide even a different nighttime visual to it, whether we used, like, an off

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 color, a blue or something like that, would really change its perspective at nighttime.

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 So we could definitely pursue that later on once it's installed to see if we can't make

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 some enhancements to it from a nighttime perspective.

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 >> I'm thinking if you're looking at it through the arch and you see it in the background

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 at night, if it was lit up in some way, I think it would be very dramatic.

00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:33.880
 >> I agree.

00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:39.480
 >> I would just say if you're going to put color light on it, like, obviously we would

00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:44.280
 just need to make sure that's okay with the artist.

00:21:44.280 --> 00:21:45.280
 >> Absolutely.

00:21:45.280 --> 00:21:48.360
 And maybe it's something that we could change the color based off of maybe what's going

00:21:48.360 --> 00:21:58.160
 on this season, and definitely talk to them.

00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:04.320
 >> So from a direction standpoint, we're double checking since you didn't get this in the

00:22:04.320 --> 00:22:07.880
 original pack and it wasn't posted, we did reach out to the city attorney's office to

00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:11.140
 see if we could have a formal vote.

00:22:11.140 --> 00:22:16.320
 So we have not heard from our city attorney at this point in time, but maybe we could

00:22:16.320 --> 00:22:21.160
 circle back around at the end and have a final discussion on this.

00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:26.500
 At the very least, we'd like to have, you know, we like the direction you're heading,

00:22:26.500 --> 00:22:30.880
 and then the thought process, if we can't vote on it today, we'll schedule a quick one

00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:36.640
 item meeting for this next Thursday, just try to get them to chime in and vote on it

00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:41.120
 so we can start the process, so we can kind of stick to our timelines.

00:22:41.120 --> 00:22:47.640
 But do you feel this is meeting the scope of work that we put out, and are you okay

00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:52.560
 with the budget that we increased it to in order to achieve the goal?

00:22:52.560 --> 00:22:54.080
 Would be helpful feedback.

00:22:54.080 --> 00:22:58.120
 I would make a motion to vote that we like the direction you're heading.

00:22:58.120 --> 00:23:00.480
 I'll second that.

00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:02.040
 Me too.

00:23:02.040 --> 00:23:04.280
 Yeah, I agree.

00:23:04.280 --> 00:23:05.280
 I agree with that.

00:23:05.280 --> 00:23:06.280
 Great.

00:23:06.280 --> 00:23:07.280
 I do.

00:23:07.280 --> 00:23:09.240
 I like that a lot.

00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:10.240
 Agree.

00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:11.240
 Me too.

00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:12.240
 Okay.

00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:22.640
 So that's a motion seconded by Michelle, and then all in favor, is that correct?

00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:23.640
 Yes.

00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:24.640
 Aye.

00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:25.640
 Aye.

00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:26.640
 Aye.

00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:27.640
 Aye.

00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:28.640
 Aye.

00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:29.640
 Aye.

00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:30.640
 Aye.

00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:31.640
 Aye.

00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:32.640
 Aye.

00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:33.640
 Aye.

00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:34.640
 Aye.

00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:35.640
 Aye.

00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:36.640
 Aye.

00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:37.640
 Aye.

00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:38.640
 Aye.

00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:39.640
 Aye.

00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:40.640
 Aye.

00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:41.640
 Aye.

00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:42.640
 Aye.

00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:43.640
 Aye.

00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:44.640
 Aye.

00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:45.640
 Aye.

00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:46.640
 Aye.

00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:47.640
 Aye.

00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:48.640
 Aye.

00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:49.640
 Aye.

00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:50.640
 Aye.

00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:51.640
 Aye.

00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:52.640
 All in favor?

00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:53.640
 Aye.

00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:54.640
 Aye.

00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:55.640
 Aye.

00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:56.640
 Aye.

00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:57.640
 Aye.

00:23:57.640 --> 00:23:58.640
 Aye.

00:23:58.640 --> 00:23:59.640
 Aye.

00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:00.640
 Aye.

00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:01.640
 Aye.

00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:02.640
 Aye.

00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:03.640
 Aye.

00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:04.640
 Aye.

00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:05.640
 Aye.

00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:06.640
 Aye.

00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:07.640
 Aye.

00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:08.640
 Aye.

00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:09.640
 Aye.

00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:10.640
 Aye.

00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:11.640
 Aye.

00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:12.640
 Aye.

00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:13.640
 Aye.

00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:14.640
 Aye.

00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:15.640
 Aye.

00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:16.640
 Aye.

00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:17.640
 Aye.

00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:18.640
 Okay.

00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:19.640
 I'm bringing up the updates again.

00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:20.640
 Okay.

00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:21.640
 Moving from that one.

00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:25.220
 Right now, we haven't really initiated this one.

00:24:25.220 --> 00:24:31.280
 Our next steps would be to hold the subcommittee meetings, getting those going, then drafting

00:24:31.280 --> 00:24:37.760
 the brief on that, kind of our scope of work, and reviewing any qualified artists, and then

00:24:37.760 --> 00:24:43.940
 finally submitting that request proposal for that artist as we go.

00:24:43.940 --> 00:24:50.320
 Just to provide a quick construction update, the Pro Shop, if you see it on Windsor, is

00:24:50.320 --> 00:24:54.800
 substantially completed, they're just doing some final touch ups on that.

00:24:54.800 --> 00:24:58.920
 We've had some, in fact, we have a call this afternoon about the roadway going into it,

00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:04.520
 so we're in the middle of the permitting process, sort of try to get that out for bid as soon

00:25:04.520 --> 00:25:06.020
 as possible.

00:25:06.020 --> 00:25:10.400
 So we're hoping to have it completed in, towards the end of '21.

00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:15.560
 Our goal here was to get some of these other projects moving first, and get them out the

00:25:15.560 --> 00:25:19.440
 door and under construction, so I think we're getting really close to just really starting

00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:21.680
 to address this one next.

00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:26.640
 So probably in the next month or two, I think we'll be in a better position to do that,

00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:31.940
 so if you're okay with that, we'll get that started, maybe in November, shortly after

00:25:31.940 --> 00:25:39.560
 the holidays.

00:25:39.560 --> 00:25:40.560
 Any other comments?

00:25:40.560 --> 00:25:46.560
 Okay, I'm going to move on here.

00:25:46.560 --> 00:25:52.640
 Air station number three, pretty much this is unchanged from the previous time that really

00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:58.280
 what we're seeing is David Boots from the art department is moving forward with what

00:25:58.280 --> 00:26:01.600
 they're doing as far as the fence goes.

00:26:01.600 --> 00:26:06.480
 We still need to update the selection process, we have to get our brief going, our scope

00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:11.200
 of work, and then submitting that request for the artist for the, I think we talked

00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:20.720
 about a sculpture going in front of that fence area.

00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:30.360
 Any questions or comments?

00:26:30.360 --> 00:26:33.120
 We have the foundations of our history mural.

00:26:33.120 --> 00:26:40.600
 Right now, we're in the place that, starting up, getting that done, so that is pretty much

00:26:40.600 --> 00:26:45.920
 almost completely through what we needed to have happen.

00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:51.640
 The contract and those things have been approved.

00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:56.000
 So according to our contract and our presentation to council, they're going to start on November

00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:03.600
 1st, if not sooner, and then would be completed prior to Thanksgiving, pending any weather.

00:27:03.600 --> 00:27:07.480
 So that one is going to be moving pretty quickly at this point in time.

00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:13.440
 We did not expect that the last more than two weeks actual production, just if weather

00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:14.440
 hits them.

00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:19.400
 That's the only question he had.

00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:27.720
 Okay, MLK Junior Rec Center sculpture.

00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:33.360
 These are the sculptures by Madeline Wiener, contract, everything, those are complete all

00:27:33.360 --> 00:27:34.720
 through council.

00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:40.800
 We've approved the check to go out to Madeline, and she should receive that earlier this month.

00:27:40.800 --> 00:27:45.160
 So she is currently buying her stone and getting it all set to go.

00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:50.560
 I had a nice conversation with her on the phone, and she's very excited about being

00:27:50.560 --> 00:27:53.900
 able to move forward with the project.

00:27:53.900 --> 00:28:00.200
 One thing that we're adding to this that wasn't in the scope is landscaping of MLK Rec Center.

00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:05.160
 Since we decided on the location closer to the building, we're going to be removing a

00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:08.840
 couple of those benches and some of the older landscaping there.

00:28:08.840 --> 00:28:13.840
 We're going to look at re landscaping the entire front of the building and really tie

00:28:13.840 --> 00:28:18.080
 that all together through one landscape design.

00:28:18.080 --> 00:28:21.640
 We may need to pull that from our operating budget, because we didn't have money for that

00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:24.180
 specifically in this effort.

00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:26.640
 If we do have money, we might be able to tie it into the scope.

00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:29.300
 But that's something that we'll be working on.

00:28:29.300 --> 00:28:31.980
 Maybe we can get that done probably next fall.

00:28:31.980 --> 00:28:36.580
 So this the sculpture itself may be installed prior to that.

00:28:36.580 --> 00:28:40.240
 But roughly the same time, maybe this time next year, we'd be doing landscaping for the

00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.240
 entire facility.

00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:48.800
 So that's a internal goal that we're working on.

00:28:48.800 --> 00:28:53.800
 Any other comments or questions?

00:28:53.800 --> 00:29:03.960
 Okay, normally, what we would do is we'd have the DWIF sculpture talking about that.

00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:18.240
 But because we have a separate item listed for that, I'll go ahead and move on to that.

00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:24.120
 Let me bring it up.

00:29:24.120 --> 00:29:30.880
 Well, while John's working through that, the last meeting we had, we wanted to put a little

00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:35.520
 time between the meetings, I think we had maybe six weeks between our last meeting,

00:29:35.520 --> 00:29:40.200
 so we could get a couple of these things, proposals together and a couple things flushed

00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.640
 through so we can start moving towards construction.

00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:46.160
 So I feel like we're making good progress getting some of these projects out on the

00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:52.800
 street, and we'll circle back around and visit those other ones that we haven't started yet

00:29:52.800 --> 00:29:55.760
 in the near future.

00:29:55.760 --> 00:30:06.160
 Okay, so now this next item is about the Denton Women's Interracial Fellowship Monument.

00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.380
 And so here's the basic background that we've had.

00:30:08.380 --> 00:30:15.360
 We've had a running budget of about $80,000 plus $20,000 funding from the Denton Parks

00:30:15.360 --> 00:30:16.360
 Foundation.

00:30:16.360 --> 00:30:21.760
 I did get a call from or email from Brooke Moore saying that they were meeting and getting

00:30:21.760 --> 00:30:26.480
 some grants together, and so that looks like they're moving forward, getting the money

00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:28.240
 for that.

00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:34.720
 So we've got the artist and proposals selected by the subcommittee, and our next step would

00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:39.760
 be, of course, planning with the DWIF members, but since we'd already put in this thing a

00:30:39.760 --> 00:30:44.600
 week or so ago, we already had the meeting, and that's what Lenny McAdams was talking

00:30:44.600 --> 00:30:45.800
 about.

00:30:45.800 --> 00:30:51.320
 We also need to finalize the project plan, and the project needs to be completed by August

00:30:51.320 --> 00:30:56.840
 of 2021, which is currently from the scope of work for it.

00:30:56.840 --> 00:31:02.520
 And to cover that a little bit more, a little bit about the artist, because the subcommittee,

00:31:02.520 --> 00:31:09.180
 of course, knows about this and having received the proposal before we actually reviewed everything.

00:31:09.180 --> 00:31:14.280
 And so it is a -- she's a multimedia artist that creates this nuanced public art, including

00:31:14.280 --> 00:31:16.200
 interactive sculptures.

00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:19.760
 And from the rest of the proposal, we're really going to see that.

00:31:19.760 --> 00:31:22.360
 Definitely involves community in the design process.

00:31:22.360 --> 00:31:28.040
 My conversation with the dean of Fisher was that she definitely wants to come out and

00:31:28.040 --> 00:31:33.520
 visit with the members, get more on the history, get pictures, and really involve a lot of

00:31:33.520 --> 00:31:37.920
 everything that she's doing, because a lot of it is artwork, but there's also a lot of

00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:42.840
 background information as far as her proposal that you can get through it, and I'll walk

00:31:42.840 --> 00:31:45.280
 that as we move through it.

00:31:45.280 --> 00:31:50.360
 Also, something unique, she does have a family history similar to members of the DWAF in

00:31:50.360 --> 00:31:58.520
 that her mother did virtually the same thing she said in her community on the West Coast.

00:31:58.520 --> 00:32:03.920
 So her inspiration has virtually all this different color to it, a very -- definitely

00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:07.560
 you can't walk by there without seeing lots of color.

00:32:07.560 --> 00:32:13.440
 And what she says is that is through the lens of hope, trust, or love, trust, friendship,

00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:18.560
 they overcame cultural barriers to help them reimagine race relations, so that was her

00:32:18.560 --> 00:32:20.920
 inspiration for it.

00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:26.960
 Now, the art style is very much like what we put into the scope of work, in that it's

00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:32.960
 a lenticular art, so these are glass pieces that viewed from various angles will have

00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:35.420
 a little bit different look to them.

00:32:35.420 --> 00:32:41.260
 And there's no electricity or computers involved, she says, but it's got a truly very physical

00:32:41.260 --> 00:32:47.400
 phenomenon.

00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:51.160
 So here's the project, and this is what it looks like from the first rendering that we

00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:52.160
 have.

00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:53.160
 And so it has this curtain.

00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:58.760
 Now, those are all rods that are holding the lenticular or some of the glass pieces, and

00:32:58.760 --> 00:33:04.240
 then there's a large -- it's more like two disks that are together there.

00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:09.080
 That's not a single disk in the center portion of it.

00:33:09.080 --> 00:33:15.240
 Each one of the disks in the screen, the hanging curtain, have a piece of the history, pictures

00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:23.000
 of people involved, and has some other unique qualities to this particular piece, because

00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:28.600
 if you can see on the very bottom of the screen, somebody's phone there, in that you can, with

00:33:28.600 --> 00:33:35.000
 the app that's supplied, take that camera and put it up to it, and then all the facts

00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:39.160
 about that individual and their story can come up.

00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:46.080
 Another thing that was mentioned is that we have -- UNT has produced these -- interviewed

00:33:46.080 --> 00:33:51.960
 many members of the DWIF and others that are significant in our history, and got their

00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:59.480
 stories that you can actually go to the UNT site, and I talked a little bit with Dina

00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:03.560
 about that side of it, and she can use all of that.

00:34:03.560 --> 00:34:09.200
 So literally, the phone app can then play the individual's voices that they're taking

00:34:09.200 --> 00:34:11.480
 the picture of at that time.

00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:16.600
 Also as a -- just to note that not everybody in the picture that you're seeing here is

00:34:16.600 --> 00:34:20.720
 actually a member or were influenced by the DWIF.

00:34:20.720 --> 00:34:27.000
 They had to fill in some pictures that she couldn't get, so they're just there for example.

00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:34.420
 And they are two-sided so that you can see it from the front and the back for it.

00:34:34.420 --> 00:34:39.280
 Something else that's kind of unique is that part of the walkways now, when we sent this

00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:47.460
 out, we only really had the Fredmore Park area to be able to put into the proposal.

00:34:47.460 --> 00:34:51.120
 Now we've got both those places, and so what you're going to see is it just kind of laid

00:34:51.120 --> 00:34:56.320
 out for that Fredmore Park, and she said that she can lay it out in either of the locations

00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:58.560
 without any particular problem.

00:34:58.560 --> 00:35:04.760
 And so right here, you have these art lanterns that go along, and these are all solar-powered,

00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:11.480
 and that uses this bicarbic glass, very translucent, and if anybody's ever seen it before, it's

00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:13.080
 really quite beautiful.

00:35:13.080 --> 00:35:21.760
 And they're about 10 inches by 48-inch cylinders made of this type of material.

00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:30.040
 She also proposed having a circular bench included in this, and she's very open to changing

00:35:30.040 --> 00:35:31.040
 any of these things.

00:35:31.040 --> 00:35:37.780
 I know that the subcommittee had some kind of mixed reactions to the way the bench was,

00:35:37.780 --> 00:35:42.500
 but even Gary and I haven't had a chance to talk to the subcommittee or anybody else.

00:35:42.500 --> 00:35:48.280
 We have some other things that could happen there that help to really show the nature

00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:54.040
 of what this is and how people can interact with it.

00:35:54.040 --> 00:35:59.340
 So this was the layout that was proposed just over at the Fredmore Park area.

00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:05.080
 So if you can see this area right here, that's where the American Leage Hall Senior Center

00:36:05.080 --> 00:36:10.880
 is, the basketball court over here, and so a side street here, and then the sidewalks

00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:11.880
 that go around.

00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:16.240
 This is where she had proposed to have the lanterns there, but that can easily be adjusted

00:36:16.240 --> 00:36:26.200
 same way over at the industrial park site.

00:36:26.200 --> 00:36:36.160
 And so that was location one option overhead view here in the Fredmore Park.

00:36:36.160 --> 00:36:43.120
 That's what the area looks like just from the street.

00:36:43.120 --> 00:36:46.440
 And this is the option two, this is the industrial street park area.

00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.440
 And so this is just a Google overhead view.

00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:53.880
 So it doesn't really give it a good idea since it's obviously in the winter time and things

00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.680
 are pretty brown at that time.

00:36:56.680 --> 00:37:03.480
 But over on this side, you'll see roosters, you'll see the wine bar and Fuzzy's taco

00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:12.120
 shop, and this is the Hoochies seafood restaurants here, and over here are the condos, I think,

00:37:12.120 --> 00:37:14.240
 apartments for it.

00:37:14.240 --> 00:37:16.640
 It can be really anywhere in here.

00:37:16.640 --> 00:37:20.720
 I had a conversation with Gary, and we were thinking that the area that the trees are

00:37:20.720 --> 00:37:28.720
 here would be one of the better spots for being able to locate, at least in that particular

00:37:28.720 --> 00:37:30.060
 spot.

00:37:30.060 --> 00:37:36.860
 And this is what that area looks like from the street at the roosters, at roosters side

00:37:36.860 --> 00:37:37.860
 of it.

00:37:37.860 --> 00:37:40.620
 So over here is Hoochies and these are the apartments.

00:37:40.620 --> 00:37:44.160
 And we currently have the picnic tables and the vegetation.

00:37:44.160 --> 00:37:49.440
 These things can be moved and being able to put it somewhere in that particular location

00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:59.360
 is where we would suggest that it go, but the committee can figure that one.

00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:04.760
 Just to provide some background information, right when I started, staff had been working

00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:11.520
 on this location, it was more dirt, there wasn't good soil in there, and we regraded

00:38:11.520 --> 00:38:13.680
 it and put down some sod.

00:38:13.680 --> 00:38:19.040
 It does get a heavy use and actually this time of year with some of the events that

00:38:19.040 --> 00:38:24.800
 happened on Industrial Street and the Day of the Dead Festival, they use some of this

00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:27.460
 as well for some activity.

00:38:27.460 --> 00:38:32.920
 But we had started a master plan and we went through a number, we had four renderings put

00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:41.380
 together to redevelop this park into a tiny little downtown space.

00:38:41.380 --> 00:38:47.360
 And we were focused on providing space for people to relax, but also could use it for

00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:51.560
 those special events if we wanted to have a speaker or a UNT musician wanted to come

00:38:51.560 --> 00:38:56.720
 over and play the saxophone, or we wanted to have a three-piece band kind of set up

00:38:56.720 --> 00:39:03.120
 there and just do some music, or someone wanted to give a community historical presentation,

00:39:03.120 --> 00:39:04.780
 they could do that.

00:39:04.780 --> 00:39:10.080
 So just real quickly, and this was just right before the meeting, John and I were envisioning

00:39:10.080 --> 00:39:15.880
 that if you wanted to use that art as the background, we could create almost like a

00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:22.280
 classroom/stage in front of it, and maybe it's elevated a little bit where kids could

00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:27.280
 go up there and there could be classrooms or tours for people to learn a little bit

00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:38.000
 about the DWIF women and history, and that would be kind of facing away towards the Wells

00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:39.280
 Fargo building.

00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:43.280
 But then if you wanted to have a small event, a lecture, or a little concert, you could

00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:45.800
 face towards Industrial Street.

00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:53.720
 So it could really have multiple purposes, and the art would be the background for that

00:39:53.720 --> 00:39:54.720
 performance.

00:39:54.720 --> 00:39:59.160
 Obviously we would respect that, and that would have to be considered during design

00:39:59.160 --> 00:40:04.040
 to make sure that that classroom/stage is large enough to accommodate that, and we obviously

00:40:04.040 --> 00:40:08.880
 wouldn't put a rock band on there because it's more intimate per se than kind of our

00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:12.880
 initial thoughts, but that was just a general idea.

00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:18.080
 So we'd go back under the trees, and then this front area could be lawn access for people

00:40:18.080 --> 00:40:22.440
 just to kind of relax and enjoy if they wanted to grab some food.

00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:23.440
 Sorry to interrupt.

00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:28.480
 A quick question since we're discussing locations.

00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:34.520
 Between the two locations, is there one that would be considered safer from just the perspective

00:40:34.520 --> 00:40:38.960
 of the well-being of the art installation?

00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:44.120
 More visibility, more traffic, more eyes on, less inclination for someone to do something

00:40:44.120 --> 00:40:45.120
 they shouldn't.

00:40:45.120 --> 00:40:47.200
 Yeah, that's a great question.

00:40:47.200 --> 00:40:52.880
 Obviously Quaker Town is a pretty active space, and we had that glass piece there, and that

00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:54.680
 was vandalized.

00:40:54.680 --> 00:41:03.360
 I think really anywhere is suspect to some activity that's unwanted.

00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:09.840
 I think this gets probably more pedestrian traffic throughout the day and the evening.

00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:14.480
 Fred Moore is more neighborhood, especially with staff living right across the street

00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.280
 for residents living right across the street.

00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.400
 From that, there's kind of an eyes and ears on there, but I think there's pros and cons

00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.880
 to both locations.

00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:30.840
 So you probably could make arguments for both, but I think from a traffic pattern, you probably

00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:36.640
 get more overall on this location just because of whether you're going down there to eat

00:41:36.640 --> 00:41:38.320
 or not, or you're driving by in the car.

00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:41.080
 There's a lot of people going to and from.

00:41:41.080 --> 00:41:44.360
 You could see even just the amount of cars that are there right now, probably on an average

00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:46.760
 weekday.

00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:51.160
 And then, I know you guys aren't done, I hope you don't mind if I throw a second question

00:41:51.160 --> 00:41:52.160
 your way.

00:41:52.160 --> 00:41:53.160
 Absolutely.

00:41:53.160 --> 00:41:57.720
 Regarding the app perspective aspect with the phone and the art installation, with the

00:41:57.720 --> 00:42:04.280
 Play Store and the Apple Store, there's a yearly fee for app developers to keep that

00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:06.600
 app active in the store.

00:42:06.600 --> 00:42:11.600
 What would be the proposed length of time that that app would stay active so that people

00:42:11.600 --> 00:42:13.840
 could actually download it and use it?

00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:19.920
 And if that hasn't been considered, it's something to consider because a year or two from now,

00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:24.280
 if the app is a major feature of the piece and it's unavailable in the app store to download,

00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:25.280
 then that's a detriment.

00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:29.680
 Yeah, that's a fantastic question, and I don't know the answer to that.

00:42:29.680 --> 00:42:38.040
 I don't know if the app that they're looking at is a general app that is for art or not.

00:42:38.040 --> 00:42:43.200
 Maybe there's a more generally acceptable app that's out there, but I think it would

00:42:43.200 --> 00:42:48.360
 be great for us to really use that for all of our artwork and really expand to a walking

00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:52.840
 tour, which I know you guys have had discussions on in the past, to really integrate everything

00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:58.240
 that we're doing from an art perspective and even the historical perspective.

00:42:58.240 --> 00:43:02.960
 Maybe you could even expand out to our cemeteries, so you could scan a head zone and you learn

00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:06.720
 about a Civil War veteran.

00:43:06.720 --> 00:43:12.160
 That actually is a great concept because rather than having a one-off app, have a centralized

00:43:12.160 --> 00:43:20.240
 app that maybe is maintained by the city rather than the artist and tie that piece and all

00:43:20.240 --> 00:43:22.940
 other pieces into that centralized app.

00:43:22.940 --> 00:43:27.360
 From that perspective, like with the Engage Denton app, there's not a problem of it disappearing

00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:32.480
 from the app store because the city continues to pay the fees to Google and Apple to keep

00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:33.480
 it going.

00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:35.200
 That's a great, great concept.

00:43:35.200 --> 00:43:37.800
 We thought about the same thing for the mural.

00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:41.080
 Whether it was a QR code or if we just use visual scanning.

00:43:41.080 --> 00:43:45.600
 If you were walking by and you scanned one of the ladies, then it would bring up more

00:43:45.600 --> 00:43:50.600
 detail about that person and if we could even use geo-fencing, it might help promote that

00:43:50.600 --> 00:43:51.600
 more.

00:43:51.600 --> 00:43:56.120
 If you're getting close to a piece of art, it would provide a notification on your phone.

00:43:56.120 --> 00:44:01.840
 There would be a lot of cool ways that we could start integrating more technology into

00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:03.240
 our community.

00:44:03.240 --> 00:44:09.700
 Ed, I like the idea of possibly doing it through the Engage Denton.

00:44:09.700 --> 00:44:11.160
 I don't know what your experience is.

00:44:11.160 --> 00:44:14.400
 I would love to hear you talk about this at some point.

00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:19.160
 I'm thinking last year I went to the Dolly Museum and they had, I didn't have to download

00:44:19.160 --> 00:44:20.160
 an app at all.

00:44:20.160 --> 00:44:26.800
 I just scanned my phone at something and the pictures moved and it gave you like a narrative

00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:27.960
 and stuff.

00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:32.560
 So I'm wondering if it has to be an app, but if it did, maybe Engage Denton would be the

00:44:32.560 --> 00:44:33.560
 one to use.

00:44:33.560 --> 00:44:38.920
 Yeah, or the city may have other, since Engage Denton has a specific purpose.

00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:41.920
 Maybe the city has a different app in mind that's being developed.

00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:42.920
 I'm not sure.

00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:47.480
 I think the fewer, in line with what you're saying, Michelle, which is a great idea, the

00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:52.800
 fewer apps that people have to download, the better if it can all be centralized into one

00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.280
 app that's offered by the city.

00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:59.400
 Then that really simplifies things both for the city and for people using the apps.

00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:07.240
 Yeah, I think that's a super point because Engage Denton right now is primarily promoted

00:45:07.240 --> 00:45:11.440
 as a way to voice your concerns.

00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:17.800
 So maybe it could be a really a way to engage Denton in more than just one perspective.

00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:19.960
 So that's something we definitely could reach out to them.

00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:25.520
 I mean, that may not be part of their platform, which I'm assuming it might not be, but who

00:45:25.520 --> 00:45:32.160
 knows maybe that's an opportunity for them to spin off some more community involvement.

00:45:32.160 --> 00:45:33.160
 I agree.

00:45:33.160 --> 00:45:34.160
 That's a great idea.

00:45:34.160 --> 00:45:35.160
 Cool.

00:45:35.160 --> 00:45:38.760
 Thanks for letting me interrupt with those questions.

00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:41.640
 No problem at all.

00:45:41.640 --> 00:45:42.640
 Okay.

00:45:42.640 --> 00:45:44.280
 Any other questions?

00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:57.680
 Well, are we going to have time at the end of this to well, yeah, we will, never mind.

00:45:57.680 --> 00:45:59.320
 So this is this is the last slide.

00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:05.640
 So I guess our comment to the chair and the board is, you know, do you like first of all,

00:46:05.640 --> 00:46:07.920
 I guess the location.

00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:13.240
 But before that is do you like the proposal that's being presented to you, or do we need

00:46:13.240 --> 00:46:18.400
 to go back and revisit with the subcommittee on the proposals that they provided?

00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:24.100
 I don't know if any of the subcommittee members would like to maybe start off with the design

00:46:24.100 --> 00:46:31.200
 and then we could talk about the location seconds.

00:46:31.200 --> 00:46:34.480
 Nothing to say about the design other than I think it's fantastic.

00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:37.480
 I like it.

00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:38.920
 I love the design.

00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:43.960
 I like how it's very interactive and that it gives everything a lot of context.

00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:52.480
 And the history, it's not just, you know, a monument or a mural, it really puts everything

00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:58.600
 in perspective and gives, yeah, like the history of what these ladies did and everything.

00:46:58.600 --> 00:47:12.400
 I think it's beautiful.

00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:13.400
 Anything else?

00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:18.160
 Not on the, oh, sorry, go ahead.

00:47:18.160 --> 00:47:23.600
 No, I had I had something to say about the location options, if I may.

00:47:23.600 --> 00:47:24.600
 Absolutely.

00:47:24.600 --> 00:47:27.000
 And then I'll go after you.

00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.940
 I worked on the square at an art gallery for nine years.

00:47:30.940 --> 00:47:39.720
 And one thing I can say that I think personally that the downtown area would be a better fit

00:47:39.720 --> 00:47:47.920
 because if you put it in the neighborhood, it's going to be definitely a destination

00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:49.960
 rather than something you come across.

00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:56.160
 And people are the people that are going to be going there into the neighborhood are already

00:47:56.160 --> 00:48:04.000
 going to be people that are interested in knowing about that history.

00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.560
 And they're going to already know it's there.

00:48:07.560 --> 00:48:18.400
 So it's in a way you're kind of already getting to the to the demographic that care and know

00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:26.080
 about the history, whereas if you put it downtown, you're going to get, first of all, just exponential

00:48:26.080 --> 00:48:33.400
 more people because of, you know, the traffic, the festivals, you know, anything like that.

00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:43.040
 But also just you'll get a lot of just people that will walk by accidentally and walk in

00:48:43.040 --> 00:48:50.240
 and, you know, experience that and get to know the history by accident and be informed

00:48:50.240 --> 00:48:52.560
 and touched by the stories.

00:48:52.560 --> 00:48:56.680
 And I think that's really important.

00:48:56.680 --> 00:49:04.720
 You know, I think it'll just affect a lot more people that normally, even if they knew

00:49:04.720 --> 00:49:12.040
 about the piece being over in Fred Moore Park, they're not going to go over there.

00:49:12.040 --> 00:49:17.400
 You know, so I just think that's something to consider.

00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:22.400
 I agree, Meredith, I think there are two other reasons why I like the industrial street park

00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:30.600
 option is to just from my background and security, I feel would be a more secure location just

00:49:30.600 --> 00:49:34.240
 for the amount of traffic and eyes on.

00:49:34.240 --> 00:49:42.400
 And third, if I understood correctly, that's the wish of the DWIF that it go in that location.

00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:47.880
 And I don't understand the logic of having a art installation to honor them and putting

00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:51.240
 it somewhere where they wouldn't want it to go.

00:49:51.240 --> 00:49:58.800
 So for those three reasons, I would also lean towards industrial street park.

00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:02.600
 I agree as well with all that you both just said.

00:50:02.600 --> 00:50:09.440
 I like the industrial street park as well.

00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:19.200
 Is there a way that maybe we could ask or propose to the city council or the police

00:50:19.200 --> 00:50:25.160
 or whatever that they put security cameras or a security camera?

00:50:25.160 --> 00:50:27.840
 And then I notice that you're being filmed.

00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:29.720
 I don't know.

00:50:29.720 --> 00:50:34.560
 Sometimes that just deters people because they're scared.

00:50:34.560 --> 00:50:41.840
 We are looking at a number of locations in the city that have security concerns.

00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:47.680
 Quaker Town, we had an analysis done by a risk management group just to see how we can

00:50:47.680 --> 00:50:51.560
 improve security and safety in that park.

00:50:51.560 --> 00:50:55.960
 And we're going to be doing that down the road with a number of our other facilities.

00:50:55.960 --> 00:51:01.880
 We do have cameras in some locations, not generally in all of our parks.

00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:06.960
 The dog park, we have a camera over there and in our facilities.

00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:12.360
 So we are looking at cameras for illegal dumping in some of the dump sites that we have across

00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:14.660
 the city to try to stop that.

00:51:14.660 --> 00:51:17.640
 But we could look at that location as well.

00:51:17.640 --> 00:51:21.460
 That might be a future funding opportunity that we'll have to identify, but we could

00:51:21.460 --> 00:51:23.920
 definitely include that in our future plans.

00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:29.720
 Gary, you said you would get back to the issue that I brought up earlier.

00:51:29.720 --> 00:51:37.360
 I just want to say a little bit more related to this project and its intention.

00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:45.080
 Its intention in part is to honor the women who took that work on.

00:51:45.080 --> 00:51:57.560
 And also, I would think to elevate and encourage continued bridge building throughout the city

00:51:57.560 --> 00:52:00.940
 and with various communities.

00:52:00.940 --> 00:52:09.120
 When I did my Hot Funds application this year, I requested support for programming around

00:52:09.120 --> 00:52:11.680
 this project, DWIF.

00:52:11.680 --> 00:52:17.480
 I'm not sure what that programming will look like, but maybe one of the things in order

00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:27.760
 to capture the intention of this project would be to have programming there maybe on a quarterly

00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:33.040
 basis or a monthly basis that highlights, this is what I'm thinking now, I have to make

00:52:33.040 --> 00:52:40.580
 it happen, that highlights the different women and their involvement in their lives and/or

00:52:40.580 --> 00:52:47.640
 even university community and student performers who maybe could animate some of those stories.

00:52:47.640 --> 00:52:50.920
 So things like that.

00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:59.480
 I do understand why Monet would want us to consider Fred Moore because of the community

00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:03.080
 that it represents, the African American community.

00:53:03.080 --> 00:53:13.080
 But I think our ambitions need to be broader, that it educates everyone and builds bridges

00:53:13.080 --> 00:53:17.080
 particularly in the climate that we're currently living in.

00:53:17.080 --> 00:53:20.600
 So that being said, I'm done.

00:53:20.600 --> 00:53:28.240
 So just to follow up that in regards to Fred Moore, Councilmember Hudspeth had asked us

00:53:28.240 --> 00:53:33.840
 to look at as part of the construction efforts for the American Legion that being rebuilt

00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:43.420
 to almost create like a living history mural or a wall of fame type of perspective where

00:53:43.420 --> 00:53:48.560
 some of the instrumental people in Southeast Denton could be focused on and we would tie

00:53:48.560 --> 00:53:50.100
 that all together.

00:53:50.100 --> 00:53:57.020
 So we currently have some history along the DCTA rail trail that highlights DWIF as well

00:53:57.020 --> 00:54:03.880
 as just general history of that corridor in the city as a whole that we're actually working

00:54:03.880 --> 00:54:09.080
 on replacing those signs because they're weathered and we do have seven pedestals that could

00:54:09.080 --> 00:54:11.640
 use more plaques.

00:54:11.640 --> 00:54:15.060
 So that's kind of part of our goal as well.

00:54:15.060 --> 00:54:22.840
 But if we put a wall of history inside of the American Legion Hall, that would be another

00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:25.920
 way to really tie that all together.

00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:32.400
 And if the PAC chose Industrial Street, that would be another location in the city where

00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:33.680
 they have that information.

00:54:33.680 --> 00:54:41.600
 So between Industrial Street Park, Georgina, your facility, Fred Moore, there could be

00:54:41.600 --> 00:54:47.680
 multiple opportunities for programming, whether it's indoors or outdoors, on a little stage

00:54:47.680 --> 00:54:51.620
 in the park and community history.

00:54:51.620 --> 00:54:56.340
 So that might be a good way to really kind of spread that out and provide it both at

00:54:56.340 --> 00:55:00.720
 Fred Moore and Industrial Street Park as an option for consideration.

00:55:00.720 --> 00:55:01.720
 Could I add something?

00:55:01.720 --> 00:55:02.720
 I'm sorry.

00:55:02.720 --> 00:55:03.720
 Go ahead.

00:55:03.720 --> 00:55:09.200
 Oh, I was just, I don't know if everyone on the committee is aware of this either, but

00:55:09.200 --> 00:55:16.440
 we had also talked about having a bona fide trail that started perhaps out at the county

00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:23.480
 museum where there's currently an exhibit that is about, that's in, it's not the schoolhouse,

00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:26.500
 it's the one that's in the little house, but having the exhibit start at the county

00:55:26.500 --> 00:55:32.880
 museum there or be involved with that some way because to walk from Carroll and I guess

00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:37.680
 Sycamore where it is to get downtown is just a couple blocks and then to take the rail

00:55:37.680 --> 00:55:42.340
 trail is a couple more blocks and then Fred Moore is a couple more blocks so that we could

00:55:42.340 --> 00:55:48.800
 actually start at the old house in the downtown county museum and make something that could

00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:57.760
 be connected from like QR codes or like we said some other way of doing it with your

00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:02.880
 phone, it could be a pamphlet, but there's a way to incorporate that entire thing into

00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:06.240
 some sort of African American history in Denton County.

00:56:06.240 --> 00:56:11.600
 We are trying to figure out a way to tie the rail trail into what we're proposing as part

00:56:11.600 --> 00:56:19.280
 of our trails plan is the Pecan Creek trail that would start at the DCTA trail and go

00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:30.440
 with the Fred Moore then over to Carl Young and then over to the property off of, by MKOC

00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:33.000
 and then all points east following Pecan Creek.

00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:39.120
 So there would literally be hopefully a long-term concrete trail that would connect everything

00:56:39.120 --> 00:56:42.120
 together, not just virtually or technology-wise.

00:56:42.120 --> 00:56:53.480
 Gary, the only other thing I would want us to consider is directional signage for this

00:56:53.480 --> 00:57:01.240
 project because while that space is there, it's also a hidden space.

00:57:01.240 --> 00:57:05.720
 It could be seen as an alley that people might not want to venture down.

00:57:05.720 --> 00:57:10.840
 So I would think that signage on the main streets would be important to provide guidance

00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:13.520
 to everyone.

00:57:13.520 --> 00:57:19.080
 The city did put directional signage in around downtown in probably two years ago.

00:57:19.080 --> 00:57:24.840
 We could look at adding, if we needed to add a post here or two, we could definitely do

00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:25.840
 that.

00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:29.720
 If not, we could see about adding a panel to the existing sign so we could create a

00:57:29.720 --> 00:57:41.760
 direction to that monument.

00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:46.480
 So Chairperson, I guess we have two requests.

00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:54.080
 One is the design and the existing budget for the artist's sculpture, and then two,

00:57:54.080 --> 00:57:59.880
 the next question would be a discussion and a vote on the location.

00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:03.120
 Okay, we can vote on the design and all that.

00:58:03.120 --> 00:58:06.520
 Anybody in favor of the design?

00:58:06.520 --> 00:58:07.520
 Aye.

00:58:07.520 --> 00:58:08.520
 Aye.

00:58:08.520 --> 00:58:09.520
 Aye.

00:58:09.520 --> 00:58:10.520
 Aye.

00:58:10.520 --> 00:58:11.520
 Aye.

00:58:11.520 --> 00:58:12.520
 Aye.

00:58:12.520 --> 00:58:14.520
 And then the location?

00:58:14.520 --> 00:58:17.560
 No for me.

00:58:17.560 --> 00:58:21.760
 Everyone else?

00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:24.960
 I'm going to vote aye for the industrial street location.

00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:27.200
 Aye for industrial street.

00:58:27.200 --> 00:58:29.800
 Aye for industrial street.

00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:32.240
 Aye for industrial.

00:58:32.240 --> 00:58:35.440
 I don't get to vote, but I do have a question.

00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:38.160
 I'm sorry, I'm just thinking about it.

00:58:38.160 --> 00:58:47.440
 I want to hear from Monet what maybe would be not an alternative necessarily, but what

00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:56.760
 other option might there be to integrate Fred Moore connected to this effort?

00:58:56.760 --> 00:59:03.760
 Well, I just think, well personally, think about it, Interracial Fellowship was designed

00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:08.200
 for the Pay This Roads in Southeast Denton, so why not have the art in Southeast Denton

00:59:08.200 --> 00:59:15.600
 talking about the roads that you rant about all day, but you know, to each his own.

00:59:15.600 --> 00:59:20.960
 Okay thank you.

00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:27.600
 I'm sorry, I'm sorry that I interrupted.

00:59:27.600 --> 00:59:34.640
 Okay so we have a unanimous vote on the design.

00:59:34.640 --> 00:59:46.480
 And then a 6 to 1 on the location.

00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:51.640
 We'll go ahead and start moving forward on that, getting contracts in place, get City

00:59:51.640 --> 00:59:57.720
 Council and share the minutes and the summaries and the feedback from the Public Art Committee

00:59:57.720 --> 00:59:59.840
 with City Council as well.

00:59:59.840 --> 01:00:04.760
 All right, then the next thing will be the receipt report, hold discussion against staff

01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:09.120
 direction regarding the purchase of the Nick Oblick sculpture.

01:00:09.120 --> 01:00:20.160
 Okay, I am going to bring bringing that up now.

01:00:20.160 --> 01:00:42.840
 We received some a request or a offer from one of our citizens to be able to purchase

01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:48.440
 some of the artworks that he currently owned for from Nick Oblick, and that's basically

01:00:48.440 --> 01:00:55.080
 what we have, and so he's got essentially all of these that he would be willing to part

01:00:55.080 --> 01:01:00.000
 with as a piece, or as all of them, or several of them.

01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:05.800
 It depends on what the PAC wants to be able to do with that.

01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:10.040
 To get an idea of which pieces these are, here's some of those.

01:01:10.040 --> 01:01:15.260
 We put in some of the sizes for everybody, including the cost for them.

01:01:15.260 --> 01:01:22.520
 And so the sculpture A, you can actually see it in the middle picture there, and a garden

01:01:22.520 --> 01:01:28.520
 location for it, and then over to what those look like just individually where he has them

01:01:28.520 --> 01:01:30.360
 stored at the moment.

01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:36.160
 So that's basically sculpture A, and sculpture B looks like it's a little bit bigger, and

01:01:36.160 --> 01:01:45.240
 it's also located in that same general garden area for it, a little different cost, and

01:01:45.240 --> 01:01:50.080
 sculpture C, it's again next to those other ones in the garden area, but in the right

01:01:50.080 --> 01:01:56.880
 picture those are just all in storage at that particular time.

01:01:56.880 --> 01:02:03.600
 And then all three of those as they looked when he had them in the garden area, pretty

01:02:03.600 --> 01:02:06.880
 close to the same size.

01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:09.360
 A sculpture D is called Rust, and that's what it looks like.

01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:14.720
 It's got lots of rust here, a lot of patina to it, but it's a little bit bigger than the

01:02:14.720 --> 01:02:15.720
 others.

01:02:15.720 --> 01:02:20.200
 It's 102 inches by 42 inches wide, so it gets a little bit larger, and it's a bit more expensive

01:02:20.200 --> 01:02:23.200
 at $21,000.

01:02:23.200 --> 01:02:30.160
 And the sculpture E is actually a roadrunner, and you can see it very well from different

01:02:30.160 --> 01:02:36.880
 angles of it, it's very free flowing, very much like the piece that's currently in Quaker

01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:42.440
 Town Park, 16 feet long, 5 feet wide, 9 feet tall.

01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:46.600
 Of course it's going to be the most expensive because it's the largest of each of the pieces

01:02:46.600 --> 01:02:47.600
 for it.

01:02:47.600 --> 01:02:54.280
 Have these prices been independently confirmed by outside appraisers?

01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:56.520
 No, they have not.

01:02:56.520 --> 01:03:00.520
 That was his original proposal.

01:03:00.520 --> 01:03:05.200
 The discussion started, the resident reached out to Councilmember Hudspeth and connected

01:03:05.200 --> 01:03:09.160
 us and I followed up and talked to him.

01:03:09.160 --> 01:03:14.720
 Originally we had proposed, you know, we'd asked, are you looking for a lease, a loan,

01:03:14.720 --> 01:03:18.240
 or a sale, and he had considered all those options.

01:03:18.240 --> 01:03:23.960
 He did come back to us and proposed the sale of those.

01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:29.840
 I think it still could be an option that we go back to them and say we'd consider a loan,

01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:32.320
 or if we wanted to lease it for a couple of years.

01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:39.440
 I know we have a program that's for a future agenda item for a temporary art location,

01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:45.100
 and we talked about some art locations on Carroll over the past year where something

01:03:45.100 --> 01:03:47.040
 like that could be put.

01:03:47.040 --> 01:03:49.720
 We have not had any appraisals done yet.

01:03:49.720 --> 01:03:56.040
 We wanted to, first of all, see what the interest level was from the Public Art Committee.

01:03:56.040 --> 01:04:01.640
 We do have two Nick Nobleek pieces of art in the city's inventory.

01:04:01.640 --> 01:04:07.900
 One is just on the east side of City Hall, right outside of the side doors at City Hall.

01:04:07.900 --> 01:04:13.920
 That was presented from the Denton Arts Festival, I think it was, and then we have one over

01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:20.300
 at Waterworks Park in an auditorium that's in the landscaping of the outdoor pool.

01:04:20.300 --> 01:04:27.440
 That's also a Nick Nobleek artwork, so I didn't know if the, since we already had Nobleek

01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:32.120
 sculptures in the city's inventory, if we wanted to provide more diversification, but

01:04:32.120 --> 01:04:38.840
 I wanted to provide this to you for discussion and feedback from the group.

01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:44.480
 Curiosity, what is he intending to do with them?

01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:46.360
 I'm not sure.

01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:53.720
 I know he had the Road Runner was located over by Denton Ryan High School, not Denton

01:04:53.720 --> 01:04:58.760
 Ryan, Southeast High School.

01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:01.600
 Help me out.

01:05:01.600 --> 01:05:05.320
 Off of Teebly, what's the name of the school there?

01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:06.320
 Guyer?

01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:07.320
 Guyer.

01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:12.120
 It's in the landscaping of an apartment complex across from Guyer High School, and it may

01:05:12.120 --> 01:05:14.600
 still be there if you want to check it out.

01:05:14.600 --> 01:05:17.040
 And that's how I went over and looked at it.

01:05:17.040 --> 01:05:21.620
 So I think he has purchased these over the term, and he's trying to identify what he

01:05:21.620 --> 01:05:23.680
 wants to do with them long term.

01:05:23.680 --> 01:05:35.840
 From my perspective, if you look at the art that we're putting in, the new art, the Vela,

01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:39.360
 all of the items that we've looked at today in various presentations.

01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:42.480
 The Nick Nebleek to me look like old Denton.

01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:43.480
 I grew up here.

01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:49.200
 I remember when they filmed the Benji movie at the post office, right?

01:05:49.200 --> 01:05:50.800
 That was so cool as a kid.

01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:52.920
 Anyway, I digress.

01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:57.400
 The Nick Nebleek pieces, while they're very nice, they convey old Denton to me, and we're

01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:03.920
 kind of moving in a new direction with our art, so I would not be in favor of the committee

01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:04.920
 picking them up.

01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:08.840
 That's just my opinion.

01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:16.600
 Just a reference point, Benji did run down the halls, the city hall too.

01:06:16.600 --> 01:06:21.560
 Nice.

01:06:21.560 --> 01:06:29.360
 I'm not sure I understand where the funds for this would come from.

01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:35.120
 We would have to identify funds and see what we have in our existing inventory or go out

01:06:35.120 --> 01:06:42.600
 and look for hot funds or other funding sources, but he had asked, we talked maybe two or three

01:06:42.600 --> 01:06:48.600
 months ago, and I wanted to give him an answer, so he knew our direction.

01:06:48.600 --> 01:06:53.480
 We did put on there as a recommendation that if you guys were in favor of this, we would

01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:57.960
 want to hold off with the other projects we have that we need to get out under production

01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:02.120
 and get installed and it's something we can consider down the road, but I did want to

01:07:02.120 --> 01:07:06.400
 get him an answer and get some feedback from the public art committee so we could at least

01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:11.080
 provide him some direction if he wanted to put that on the market or do something else

01:07:11.080 --> 01:07:15.560
 with them at this time.

01:07:15.560 --> 01:07:21.480
 I'm personally not in favor and would eventually like to revisit, I believe it was Alicia's

01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:30.760
 idea of doing temporary art, or I forgot.

01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:36.520
 That's something that we talked about I think in July with the PAC and we need to update

01:07:36.520 --> 01:07:41.420
 those rules of engagement for that program, but we didn't want to detract from the focus

01:07:41.420 --> 01:07:46.760
 of getting these projects going, so that's a future project that we will circle back

01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:55.360
 around on.

01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:56.360
 I agree.

01:07:56.360 --> 01:08:00.160
 I agree that if we already have two pieces of art from this fella, it's nice, but I

01:08:00.160 --> 01:08:05.720
 don't think that especially with what our budget's going to look like next year, I don't

01:08:05.720 --> 01:08:07.680
 think that we would have the money for it.

01:08:07.680 --> 01:08:10.440
 We don't have a place planned for it.

01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:19.360
 I would say at this time, that's probably a pass on my part.

01:08:19.360 --> 01:08:22.120
 I agree with that.

01:08:22.120 --> 01:08:26.280
 I agree.

01:08:26.280 --> 01:08:29.080
 Chairperson do we need to have a motion or?

01:08:29.080 --> 01:08:30.080
 Yes.

01:08:30.080 --> 01:08:35.680
 We'll do a motion to not accept the naked oblique sculptures.

01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:38.240
 I'll second that.

01:08:38.240 --> 01:08:41.160
 All in favor?

01:08:41.160 --> 01:08:43.080
 This is in favor of?

01:08:43.080 --> 01:08:44.080
 Not accepting.

01:08:44.080 --> 01:08:45.080
 Not accepting.

01:08:45.080 --> 01:08:46.080
 Yes.

01:08:46.080 --> 01:08:47.080
 Aye.

01:08:47.080 --> 01:08:48.080
 Aye.

01:08:48.080 --> 01:08:49.080
 Aye.

01:08:49.080 --> 01:08:50.080
 Slightly declining.

01:08:50.080 --> 01:08:51.080
 Yes.

01:08:51.080 --> 01:08:54.560
 Thank you very much.

01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:58.200
 We'll pass that information along.

01:08:58.200 --> 01:09:02.520
 Next bullet point is receive report and hold discussion and give staff direction and input

01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:15.840
 of the mural planned by the Denton Holiday Lighting Association at 227 West Oak.

01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:20.280
 This is currently called the West Oak mural.

01:09:20.280 --> 01:09:23.480
 This is a project by the Denton Holiday Lighting Association.

01:09:23.480 --> 01:09:28.440
 Essentially, they're just really replacing the mural damage during a wall repair, so

01:09:28.440 --> 01:09:31.120
 some of that had to come off the wall.

01:09:31.120 --> 01:09:35.200
 It couldn't be something they could actually keep.

01:09:35.200 --> 01:09:41.720
 They were all funded by Hot Funds for $11,500, has to be completed by December 4th, so they

01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:43.840
 don't have that much time.

01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:48.320
 It's not in the courthouse square National Register of Historic District, so it doesn't

01:09:48.320 --> 01:09:50.200
 fall under those rules.

01:09:50.200 --> 01:09:55.360
 It's also not under the downtown design standards, so it doesn't fall under those rules.

01:09:55.360 --> 01:10:01.480
 This is simply art that they're doing on a private building, actually one of the walls

01:10:01.480 --> 01:10:04.320
 is a design studio that's there.

01:10:04.320 --> 01:10:05.920
 This is really informational only.

01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:12.920
 This is no actions actually needed by the pack at this time for it.

01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:18.320
 Just to give you an idea what it looks like, this is what it did before, so you can see

01:10:18.320 --> 01:10:24.000
 what the wall was, and a lot of this, I guess it was a big crack and they had to fix a lot

01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:29.680
 of it and repair the bricks, so that was essentially scrapped from what they did.

01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:34.680
 They have two different options that they're looking at, and so this is the look of one

01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:43.400
 of them, so if you are standing over in the parking lot looking, and you can see the cars,

01:10:43.400 --> 01:10:46.320
 I think that's Gary's Jeep right there.

01:10:46.320 --> 01:10:51.560
 This is one of the design ideas, and so this isn't like an advertisement in the way for

01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:54.600
 the Holiday Lighting Festival on that wall.

01:10:54.600 --> 01:11:00.200
 This is option one that they have, and the second option is more like this particular

01:11:00.200 --> 01:11:01.200
 design still.

01:11:01.200 --> 01:11:04.880
 It has the Holiday Lighting Festival piece on it.

01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:06.280
 Is that snow?

01:11:06.280 --> 01:11:10.920
 Please tell me it's not, because we don't get snow like that.

01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:11.920
 It's white sidewalks.

01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:17.640
 It's white sidewalks, okay, gotcha.

01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:26.760
 Don't really know, but they're deciding on what these are, but if we have these types

01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:31.760
 of projects come in and around town, that can be considered public art in a way that

01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:36.040
 it's a good idea for the Public Art Committee to know about it.

01:11:36.040 --> 01:11:49.160
 If we have any questions.

01:11:49.160 --> 01:11:55.280
 So this is not an item of official control, I guess, but we wanted to make sure in talking

01:11:55.280 --> 01:12:00.560
 with the staff member that's in charge of the HUD funds that we shared it with you and

01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:07.080
 gathered any feedback from the group, just in case City Council asked a question if you

01:12:07.080 --> 01:12:08.880
 guys were referenced.

01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:19.520
 I guess if we're just sharing opinions, but not necessarily voting, I definitely prefer

01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:20.520
 the second one.

01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:21.760
 It just seems like a big advertisement though.

01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:28.880
 I mean like spending hot funds to advertise, not that I don't love the Holiday Lighting,

01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:35.320
 but to see it all year round, but you know, it's not up to us to judge, I guess.

01:12:35.320 --> 01:12:41.000
 I don't know, but you know, there's a similar mural on the Hickory Street for Day of the

01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:45.360
 Dead that promotes that activity as well.

01:12:45.360 --> 01:12:47.200
 I didn't know that.

01:12:47.200 --> 01:12:53.080
 Yeah, it actually was being painted right during COVID when it hit in the spring.

01:12:53.080 --> 01:12:58.960
 So it's pretty interesting.

01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:03.920
 I saw that the other day, and I thought it was quite controversial, because that event

01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:10.680
 is actually quite controversial, but yeah, I don't know.

01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:11.680
 Could you tell me where it's located?

01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:13.280
 I want to drive past it now.

01:13:13.280 --> 01:13:19.240
 It's across from Hoochies and the Taco Shop, maybe a little further up Hickory.

01:13:19.240 --> 01:13:23.280
 Right where the coffins go down the road.

01:13:23.280 --> 01:13:24.280
 Yeah, okay.

01:13:24.280 --> 01:13:25.280
 On the north side.

01:13:25.280 --> 01:13:26.280
 Okay.

01:13:26.280 --> 01:13:35.440
 So in thinking through this, with the Day of the Dead Festival, is that still going on

01:13:35.440 --> 01:13:36.440
 this year?

01:13:36.440 --> 01:13:37.440
 No.

01:13:37.440 --> 01:13:39.080
 I didn't think so.

01:13:39.080 --> 01:13:45.000
 Okay, so with the Holiday Lighting Festival, what are the current plans of that festival

01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:46.000
 with COVID?

01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:53.800
 I think that that's, they have hot funds for this year's event, and they wanted to recycle

01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:58.640
 those for the artwork, since they weren't going to have the event.

01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:01.640
 Gotcha.

01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:02.640
 That's correct, John.

01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:06.640
 That's what I heard from Randy, yeah, who runs the hot funds.

01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:11.480
 And with hot funds, it's kind of a use it or lose it type of thing, right?

01:14:11.480 --> 01:14:12.480
 Yes.

01:14:12.480 --> 01:14:17.960
 Does that affect the amount that's budgeted then for the next year, if it's not used?

01:14:17.960 --> 01:14:24.480
 That would be up to the hot funds committee and for Randy, who runs that.

01:14:24.480 --> 01:14:29.440
 But normally these funds, because the COVID is a very unusual circumstance.

01:14:29.440 --> 01:14:32.280
 So I don't think that's going to be held against anybody.

01:14:32.280 --> 01:14:36.600
 But even people that don't use all their funds and turn in part of it, they're still considered

01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:39.160
 for hot funds and fall in years.

01:14:39.160 --> 01:14:40.160
 Yeah.

01:14:40.160 --> 01:14:41.160
 Okay, good.

01:14:41.160 --> 01:14:46.360
 I would just hate for it to, and I understand why it wouldn't, but I would hate to see it

01:14:46.360 --> 01:14:52.920
 get counted against, because it wasn't used.

01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:58.560
 So we can pass along that information, just some of the general feedback from everybody.

01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:12.580
 If there's anything else you'd like to add, we can definitely do that.

01:15:12.580 --> 01:15:15.000
 And then item three is concluding items, anything else?

01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:19.320
 So Madam Chair, before we get to that point, we did get notification from our city attorney

01:15:19.320 --> 01:15:30.640
 that we could move forward and revisit back to item, I guess it's public PAC 20-039 and

01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:36.040
 vote on the G. Rowland Vela Athletic Complex proposal.

01:15:36.040 --> 01:15:44.480
 So maybe John could bring that back up just for one last visual.

01:15:44.480 --> 01:15:49.180
 So with this would be an official vote that we can go ahead and move forward with contract

01:15:49.180 --> 01:15:52.240
 development and proposal to city council.

01:15:52.240 --> 01:16:17.320
 Let me get there just a moment.

01:16:17.320 --> 01:16:25.680
 The total project is $100,000 and we'll be using a 65,000 of that from the complex construction.

01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:32.240
 We do have a meeting scheduled in November with the oversight committee for the bond

01:16:32.240 --> 01:16:36.360
 committee and we'll let them know and give them an update as part of that process as

01:16:36.360 --> 01:16:41.640
 well and get some feedback with them and move forward with city council based on the proposal

01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:50.620
 presented hopefully having this completed in June of 2021.

01:16:50.620 --> 01:16:53.840
 So since we already had the discussion phase, are you just looking for a motion?

01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:56.480
 We're looking for an official vote based on us moving forward.

01:16:56.480 --> 01:17:00.140
 I know you kind of gave us the informal thumbs up, but we're looking for the formal thumbs

01:17:00.140 --> 01:17:01.140
 up.

01:17:01.140 --> 01:17:05.080
 So I would make a motion for a formal thumbs up that we vote to approve.

01:17:05.080 --> 01:17:08.080
 And I'll second.

01:17:08.080 --> 01:17:12.240
 And all in favor aye.

01:17:12.240 --> 01:17:16.840
 Lynn says aye.

01:17:16.840 --> 01:17:17.840
 That's unanimous.

01:17:17.840 --> 01:17:18.840
 Yes.

01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:19.840
 Yay.

01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:21.480
 Thank you very much.

01:17:21.480 --> 01:17:24.360
 We'll get started on that immediately.

01:17:24.360 --> 01:17:28.000
 Excellent.

01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:31.120
 Thank you for that amendment.

01:17:31.120 --> 01:17:40.840
 Does anyone have any concluding items?

01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:45.320
 I did want to say that I had worked with a couple different people on a press release

01:17:45.320 --> 01:17:51.440
 for the women's interracial fellowship and I hadn't want to have done anything until

01:17:51.440 --> 01:17:56.760
 we approved that it was okay to go forward with that specific artist and had a location.

01:17:56.760 --> 01:17:58.360
 Is it okay?

01:17:58.360 --> 01:18:02.800
 Tell me Gary if it's okay if I just do it as a shared like on the Google Drive so everyone

01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:03.800
 can see it.

01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:07.960
 Could I share that document with everyone or would that be like a privacy thing that

01:18:07.960 --> 01:18:10.640
 I couldn't do because we're all in the same committee?

01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:11.640
 Good question.

01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:17.680
 I think the best step to go would be to share it with the subcommittee and let the subcommittee

01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:20.060
 work through that detail.

01:18:20.060 --> 01:18:27.320
 And then once council approves it, I think we could send it out as an FYI to everybody

01:18:27.320 --> 01:18:30.560
 and just ask if you have any feedback, just give them to us individually and don't share

01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:31.880
 it with the entire group.

01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:32.880
 Okay.

01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:35.680
 I'll just share it to the subcommittee at this point then.

01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:36.680
 Okay.

01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:40.920
 And then once council approves it then we could work with our public affairs group for

01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:43.120
 sure and get that out.

01:18:43.120 --> 01:18:50.760
 One of the subcommittee meetings being held, I missed the last PAC meeting because I didn't

01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:57.640
 get the announcement and I'm just curious about our DWIF meetings because I've not received

01:18:57.640 --> 01:19:00.280
 any announcements for that.

01:19:00.280 --> 01:19:04.600
 I don't think there's been any in a while, I haven't either Georgina.

01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:10.280
 I think the last one we had was before we sent it out for official update and we were

01:19:10.280 --> 01:19:13.040
 waiting for those to get back.

01:19:13.040 --> 01:19:19.800
 So we haven't had a number of those for a while but the ones that are kind of dragging

01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:23.680
 a little bit that we've been focused on, a few of these to get them rolling, we'll get

01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:30.080
 those subcommittees rekindled I should say.

01:19:30.080 --> 01:19:39.400
 Thank you.

01:19:39.400 --> 01:19:42.920
 Anything else?

01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:47.000
 Thank you for everybody for everything you're doing to help us get these projects out.

01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:53.160
 We're looking forward to the day we can have an in-person dedication for all these events.

01:19:53.160 --> 01:19:57.560
 So hopefully maybe in the springtime when we get some of these rolling we can get everybody

01:19:57.560 --> 01:19:58.560
 out for a celebration.

01:19:58.560 --> 01:19:59.560
 That'd be wonderful.

01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:00.560
 Absolutely.

01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:05.960
 All right, nothing further, we can close the meeting at 1.23.

01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:06.960
 Okay.

01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:07.960
 Thanks everyone.

01:20:07.960 --> 01:20:08.460
 Have a great weekend.