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 - We'll open today's meeting at 12.03 and we'll start with roll.

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 Lonea Franklin, I'm here. Michelle Lynn.

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 - I'm also on mute. Sorry about that. I'm here.

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 - Nick Baggampore, I think he's absent.

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 Meredith Ewing.

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 - Alicia Egert.

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 - Jody Ismer.

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 - Fred Nicholson.

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 - Harry Nobles.

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 - Ed Steele.

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 - Georgina Ngozi.

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 - We're all accounted for.

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 - We'll start with item one and let's go over the minutes from last month,

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 September 14th, 2020.

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 - Actually, Mene, we have a presentation from the public, Ms. Lonea McAdams.

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 - All right. Go ahead.

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 - Are you ready for me?

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 - Yes.

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 - I just wanted to comment about the public art piece that's being developed and designed

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 for the recognition of the work done by the Women's Interracial Fellowship.

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 I was a member of that organization and I think we did a phenomenal job of some things

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 and we didn't go far enough, unfortunately, but what we are looking at now is the proposal

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 for a piece of art that recognizes the women and the work that they did.

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 We like the design very much, it's colorful, flowing, and it seems to have a lot of pieces

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 to it and could stimulate a lot of conversation about the Women's Interracial Fellowship and

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 why we did what we did and how that group of women happened to get together.

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 These women who met yesterday were all members of the Women's Interracial Fellowship and

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 they unanimously were supportive of placing the monument in the Industrial Street Park

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 We think it's very important that as many people as possible see it and we think that

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 it would have a much wider audience at the Industrial Street site than it would if it

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 were placed in Fredmore Park, just as a matter of course the Fredmore Park is in a neighborhood,

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 the Industrial Street site gets a lot of traffic both coming to Denton for things and going

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 in that area to visit the restaurants and the wine bars and what have you, but it's

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 a place that prior to the COVID, which has dragged us all down, prior to that it had

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 a lot of traffic and a lot of young people and I think it's important that those people

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 see what we did and while we were very proud of what we accomplished, young people often

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 look at it with a jaundiced eye and think, "Well, that wasn't so much what those old

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 people did," but given the time and the circumstances, it was a monumental task and I always like

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 to think of Trudy Foster because Trudy was a person who, she was a kind and she was the

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 sort of person you'd say, Trudy was a sweet person.

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 She had a lovely smile and she was very warm and Trudy's attitude was when she suggested

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 something or proposed to the city that they perhaps could do this or that and the city

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 said, "No, we can't do that," Trudy would smile and look very nice and say, "What can

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 You know, she just assumed that something could be done and if you couldn't do what

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 she had suggested, it behooved you to come up with some other positive suggestion, not

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 just a negative in the form of a no and that would put an end to it.

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 And much of our success in getting the streets paid, which was the primary thing we did during

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 that time and effort, was because of Trudy.

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 Those streets would not have been paid if it had not been for Trudy and her diligence

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 in going forth to the city time after time to work on that.

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 I will answer any questions.

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 I think that Fredmore Park gets plenty of traffic with all the new legion halls coming

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 up, they're building that and I think it will tie in nicely and then we don't have any art

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 Personally, I don't think nothing's wrong with the park and then we have basketball

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 games there every day, baseball fields packed all the time.

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 There's plenty of kids that can learn from it right there under the tree and they can

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 probably put a bench there and there's a pavilion right there, Juneteenth's over there.

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 And the group thought that the other site was better because it was--

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 Is there a certain audience you're trying to target or what do you--

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 We hope to get a lot of people both white and black and the primary, the people who

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 primarily use Fredmore Park are black.

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 is there a reason why you don't want that park?

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 It was because, I think because those of us who were there during that time, we feel like

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 we want to step out of that one neighborhood and be a part of the city as a whole.

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 And we want large numbers of people to see us, to see what we did.

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 And that's why we would prefer to have it where the crowds are bigger and more diverse.

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 I think that what came up was the idea of having it in a neighborhood park versus something

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 especially people out of Denton who don't know our story, might learn more if it was

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 Hi Georgina.

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 Ms. McAdams, I understand your point of view very well and was leaning, was responding

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 to this project from the same headset that it would give the sculpture a more prominent

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 As I listen to Monet, as well as you, what I think I am realizing now is that the truth

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 of the matter is that either one of the places are more dominant for one population versus

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 Treadmoor is more African American and Industrial is more white and other, I would say.

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 this period and I'm wondering, and I put it out to everyone to weigh in, if there's something

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 that could be done, if it goes to Industrial, that some signage or some programming or some

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 extension of that sculpture be at Treadmoor so that you are kind of directed and forced

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 to go to both places because the real ambition here, I think, is to show the bridge between

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 be on the agenda item specifically instead of the presentation from the members of public.

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 And I do have a follow up for you, Georgina, when we get to that item that I think answers

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 Item two, center approval for the minutes of -- oh, that's two.

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 Receive report and hold discussion and give staff input regarding the status of the following

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 Number one, Dog Park.

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 Number two, the Vela Complex.

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 Three, Tennis Center.

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 Four, Fire Station.

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 Number three, five, foundations of our history mural and six MLK project.

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 Everyone's going to bring up that presentation and walk us through.

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 This is an update for the public art projects as they currently are.

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 We have the North Lakes Dog Park with the same budget as we've had, the same subcommittee,

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 and we've got still under artist review.

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 We still need to finalize the alternative selection for the artist for that one.

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 Gary, did you have anything to add?

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 Just to provide some follow-up, you know, just to remember that we went out for bid

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 for the $35,000, and the selected artists that the subcommittee proposed replied and

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 said that wasn't enough based on the scope.

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 So we did have some money left from the construction project of that park.

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 It is bond-related money, so it's specifically dedicated to that location.

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 If we want to change that use of that funding, we have to go to the bond committee, which

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 But we thought this would be good use of that funding to finish that project.

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 We have an arch going at the entryway, the name, as well as historical sign for Dr. Villa,

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 and based off the theme and the proposal, we felt it was good use of the funding.

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 And if they approve that, we can begin construction.

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 The timeline that they've provided is June of '21.

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 So that's, you know, eight months away.

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 And we could get that installed and celebrate that if you guys are in support of that direction.

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 Hang on just a moment here and we'll bring it up.

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 If you're going back, the theme that we asked the artist was based off of soccer and community

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 education and, you know, biology, since that's where Dr. Villa and his passions were.

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 And I think they've done a pretty good job, if you had an opportunity to see that.

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 We did share it with the Villa family, and they liked the proposal as well.

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 >> So this is the proposal that was received by Ray Kingley, just got this in on Monday.

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 But he essentially talks all about the background for what he's trying to be able to create.

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 And essentially, he wants to be able to blend both the idea of the soccer along with Dr.

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 And you can see that the actual piece there is a soccer ball.

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 And then inside are the stainless steel spheres to show how just the chemistry of it.

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 I've never seen the picture before.

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 that he's done in the past that have a similar kind of a look to them.

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 I'd say he hit a home run, but that's the wrong sport.

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 I think the last photo really tells a story where it frames it specifically in that facility.

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 We are going to have an arch across the front.

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 This is the view from the front -- from the -- well, he's photoshopped this a little bit.

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 This is with the placement out front when this pedestal is actually on the back.

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 So it would be a little bit in the distance on the other side of the archway.

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 And they were out there this morning actually with a preinstallation.

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 So that should be done in the next week or two.

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 But this will be sent a little bit back just kind of where the light is behind the shade

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 >> I was skeptical about the idea of trying to get artists to combine soccer and microbiology.

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 But I'm really impressed with how that was done in this sculpture.

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 It's kind of amazing.

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 I didn't even pick it up the first time that I looked at it.

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 And there's also a star in the middle of it, too.

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 So John, you maybe scroll up to the very beginning, you might be able to see that if you zoom

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 So there's a star in the middle of that, that's -- and that --

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 >> My question was if the pedestal shown in his rendering is what the pedestal actually

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 Because you said that's already there, correct?

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 >> The pedestal is there.

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 He was given those, and so those -- that kind of proportion is represented correctly?

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 We had a meeting last year while this was being finalized, and we actually met at the

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 animal services shelter on that day and walked over, and the group identified where that

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 was going to go, and we went ahead and had the pedestal put in during the construction

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 process so we didn't have to tear up the concrete, and we used those dimensions to -- and weight

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 limits and provided them as part of our scope.

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 >> Jerry, I have a question.

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 Will there be any lighting on the sculpture at night?

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 >> Great question.

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 So there's lighting in this general vicinity.

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 We did talk about it -- I wasn't sure if it was at our meeting when we met out there about

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 possibly putting maybe some spotlights up into the rafters that would shoot down on

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 the pedestal and the sculpture, so that's something we can definitely look at.

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 I think we need to go out there at night and see what the existing lighting looks like.

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 It may already be flooded enough with lighting where that may not make a big deal, but we

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 could certainly get a lighting contractor out there to see if we couldn't do something

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 that would provide even a different nighttime visual to it, whether we used, like, an off

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 color, a blue or something like that, would really change its perspective at nighttime.

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 So we could definitely pursue that later on once it's installed to see if we can't make

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 some enhancements to it from a nighttime perspective.

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 >> I'm thinking if you're looking at it through the arch and you see it in the background

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 at night, if it was lit up in some way, I think it would be very dramatic.

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 >> I agree.

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 >> I would just say if you're going to put color light on it, like, obviously we would

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 just need to make sure that's okay with the artist.

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 >> Absolutely.

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 And maybe it's something that we could change the color based off of maybe what's going

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 on this season, and definitely talk to them.

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 >> So from a direction standpoint, we're double checking since you didn't get this in the

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 original pack and it wasn't posted, we did reach out to the city attorney's office to

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 see if we could have a formal vote.

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 So we have not heard from our city attorney at this point in time, but maybe we could

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 circle back around at the end and have a final discussion on this.

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 At the very least, we'd like to have, you know, we like the direction you're heading,

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 and then the thought process, if we can't vote on it today, we'll schedule a quick one

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 item meeting for this next Thursday, just try to get them to chime in and vote on it

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 so we can start the process, so we can kind of stick to our timelines.

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 But do you feel this is meeting the scope of work that we put out, and are you okay

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 with the budget that we increased it to in order to achieve the goal?

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 Would be helpful feedback.

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 I would make a motion to vote that we like the direction you're heading.

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 I'll second that.

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 Me too.

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 Yeah, I agree.

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 I agree with that.

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 Great.

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 I do.

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 I like that a lot.

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 Agree.

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 Me too.

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 Okay.

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 So that's a motion seconded by Michelle, and then all in favor, is that correct?

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 Yes.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 All in favor?

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Okay.

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 I'm bringing up the updates again.

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 Okay.

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 Moving from that one.

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 Right now, we haven't really initiated this one.

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 Our next steps would be to hold the subcommittee meetings, getting those going, then drafting

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 the brief on that, kind of our scope of work, and reviewing any qualified artists, and then

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 finally submitting that request proposal for that artist as we go.

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 Just to provide a quick construction update, the Pro Shop, if you see it on Windsor, is

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 substantially completed, they're just doing some final touch ups on that.

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 We've had some, in fact, we have a call this afternoon about the roadway going into it,

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 so we're in the middle of the permitting process, sort of try to get that out for bid as soon

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 as possible.

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 So we're hoping to have it completed in, towards the end of '21.

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 Our goal here was to get some of these other projects moving first, and get them out the

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 door and under construction, so I think we're getting really close to just really starting

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 to address this one next.

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 So probably in the next month or two, I think we'll be in a better position to do that,

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 so if you're okay with that, we'll get that started, maybe in November, shortly after

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 the holidays.

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 Any other comments?

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 Okay, I'm going to move on here.

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 Air station number three, pretty much this is unchanged from the previous time that really

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 what we're seeing is David Boots from the art department is moving forward with what

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 they're doing as far as the fence goes.

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 We still need to update the selection process, we have to get our brief going, our scope

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 of work, and then submitting that request for the artist for the, I think we talked

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 about a sculpture going in front of that fence area.

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 Any questions or comments?

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 We have the foundations of our history mural.

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 Right now, we're in the place that, starting up, getting that done, so that is pretty much

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 almost completely through what we needed to have happen.

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 The contract and those things have been approved.

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 So according to our contract and our presentation to council, they're going to start on November

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 1st, if not sooner, and then would be completed prior to Thanksgiving, pending any weather.

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 So that one is going to be moving pretty quickly at this point in time.

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 We did not expect that the last more than two weeks actual production, just if weather

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 hits them.

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 That's the only question he had.

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 Okay, MLK Junior Rec Center sculpture.

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 These are the sculptures by Madeline Wiener, contract, everything, those are complete all

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 through council.

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 We've approved the check to go out to Madeline, and she should receive that earlier this month.

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 So she is currently buying her stone and getting it all set to go.

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 I had a nice conversation with her on the phone, and she's very excited about being

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 able to move forward with the project.

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 One thing that we're adding to this that wasn't in the scope is landscaping of MLK Rec Center.

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 Since we decided on the location closer to the building, we're going to be removing a

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 couple of those benches and some of the older landscaping there.

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 We're going to look at re landscaping the entire front of the building and really tie

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 that all together through one landscape design.

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 We may need to pull that from our operating budget, because we didn't have money for that

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 specifically in this effort.

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 If we do have money, we might be able to tie it into the scope.

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 But that's something that we'll be working on.

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 Maybe we can get that done probably next fall.

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 So this the sculpture itself may be installed prior to that.

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 But roughly the same time, maybe this time next year, we'd be doing landscaping for the

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 entire facility.

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 So that's a internal goal that we're working on.

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 Any other comments or questions?

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 Okay, normally, what we would do is we'd have the DWIF sculpture talking about that.

402
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 But because we have a separate item listed for that, I'll go ahead and move on to that.

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 Let me bring it up.

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 Well, while John's working through that, the last meeting we had, we wanted to put a little

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 time between the meetings, I think we had maybe six weeks between our last meeting,

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 so we could get a couple of these things, proposals together and a couple things flushed

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 through so we can start moving towards construction.

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 So I feel like we're making good progress getting some of these projects out on the

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 street, and we'll circle back around and visit those other ones that we haven't started yet

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 in the near future.

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 Okay, so now this next item is about the Denton Women's Interracial Fellowship Monument.

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 And so here's the basic background that we've had.

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 We've had a running budget of about $80,000 plus $20,000 funding from the Denton Parks

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 Foundation.

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 I did get a call from or email from Brooke Moore saying that they were meeting and getting

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 some grants together, and so that looks like they're moving forward, getting the money

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 for that.

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 So we've got the artist and proposals selected by the subcommittee, and our next step would

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 be, of course, planning with the DWIF members, but since we'd already put in this thing a

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 week or so ago, we already had the meeting, and that's what Lenny McAdams was talking

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 about.

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 We also need to finalize the project plan, and the project needs to be completed by August

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 of 2021, which is currently from the scope of work for it.

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 And to cover that a little bit more, a little bit about the artist, because the subcommittee,

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 of course, knows about this and having received the proposal before we actually reviewed everything.

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 And so it is a -- she's a multimedia artist that creates this nuanced public art, including

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 interactive sculptures.

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 And from the rest of the proposal, we're really going to see that.

429
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 Definitely involves community in the design process.

430
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 My conversation with the dean of Fisher was that she definitely wants to come out and

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 visit with the members, get more on the history, get pictures, and really involve a lot of

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 everything that she's doing, because a lot of it is artwork, but there's also a lot of

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 background information as far as her proposal that you can get through it, and I'll walk

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 that as we move through it.

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 Also, something unique, she does have a family history similar to members of the DWAF in

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 that her mother did virtually the same thing she said in her community on the West Coast.

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 So her inspiration has virtually all this different color to it, a very -- definitely

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 you can't walk by there without seeing lots of color.

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 And what she says is that is through the lens of hope, trust, or love, trust, friendship,

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 they overcame cultural barriers to help them reimagine race relations, so that was her

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 inspiration for it.

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00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:26,960
 Now, the art style is very much like what we put into the scope of work, in that it's

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 a lenticular art, so these are glass pieces that viewed from various angles will have

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 a little bit different look to them.

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 And there's no electricity or computers involved, she says, but it's got a truly very physical

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 phenomenon.

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 So here's the project, and this is what it looks like from the first rendering that we

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 have.

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 And so it has this curtain.

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 Now, those are all rods that are holding the lenticular or some of the glass pieces, and

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 then there's a large -- it's more like two disks that are together there.

452
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 That's not a single disk in the center portion of it.

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 Each one of the disks in the screen, the hanging curtain, have a piece of the history, pictures

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 of people involved, and has some other unique qualities to this particular piece, because

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 if you can see on the very bottom of the screen, somebody's phone there, in that you can, with

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 the app that's supplied, take that camera and put it up to it, and then all the facts

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 about that individual and their story can come up.

458
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:46,080
 Another thing that was mentioned is that we have -- UNT has produced these -- interviewed

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 many members of the DWIF and others that are significant in our history, and got their

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 stories that you can actually go to the UNT site, and I talked a little bit with Dina

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 about that side of it, and she can use all of that.

462
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:09,200
 So literally, the phone app can then play the individual's voices that they're taking

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 the picture of at that time.

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 Also as a -- just to note that not everybody in the picture that you're seeing here is

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 actually a member or were influenced by the DWIF.

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 They had to fill in some pictures that she couldn't get, so they're just there for example.

467
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 And they are two-sided so that you can see it from the front and the back for it.

468
00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:39,280
 Something else that's kind of unique is that part of the walkways now, when we sent this

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 out, we only really had the Fredmore Park area to be able to put into the proposal.

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 Now we've got both those places, and so what you're going to see is it just kind of laid

471
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 out for that Fredmore Park, and she said that she can lay it out in either of the locations

472
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 without any particular problem.

473
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:04,760
 And so right here, you have these art lanterns that go along, and these are all solar-powered,

474
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 and that uses this bicarbic glass, very translucent, and if anybody's ever seen it before, it's

475
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 really quite beautiful.

476
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:21,760
 And they're about 10 inches by 48-inch cylinders made of this type of material.

477
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 She also proposed having a circular bench included in this, and she's very open to changing

478
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,040
 any of these things.

479
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:37,780
 I know that the subcommittee had some kind of mixed reactions to the way the bench was,

480
00:35:37,780 --> 00:35:42,500
 but even Gary and I haven't had a chance to talk to the subcommittee or anybody else.

481
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:48,280
 We have some other things that could happen there that help to really show the nature

482
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:54,040
 of what this is and how people can interact with it.

483
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:59,340
 So this was the layout that was proposed just over at the Fredmore Park area.

484
00:35:59,340 --> 00:36:05,080
 So if you can see this area right here, that's where the American Leage Hall Senior Center

485
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:10,880
 is, the basketball court over here, and so a side street here, and then the sidewalks

486
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:11,880
 that go around.

487
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,240
 This is where she had proposed to have the lanterns there, but that can easily be adjusted

488
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:26,200
 same way over at the industrial park site.

489
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:36,160
 And so that was location one option overhead view here in the Fredmore Park.

490
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:43,120
 That's what the area looks like just from the street.

491
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,440
 And this is the option two, this is the industrial street park area.

492
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,440
 And so this is just a Google overhead view.

493
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,880
 So it doesn't really give it a good idea since it's obviously in the winter time and things

494
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,680
 are pretty brown at that time.

495
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:03,480
 But over on this side, you'll see roosters, you'll see the wine bar and Fuzzy's taco

496
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:12,120
 shop, and this is the Hoochies seafood restaurants here, and over here are the condos, I think,

497
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,240
 apartments for it.

498
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,640
 It can be really anywhere in here.

499
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,720
 I had a conversation with Gary, and we were thinking that the area that the trees are

500
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:28,720
 here would be one of the better spots for being able to locate, at least in that particular

501
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:30,060
 spot.

502
00:37:30,060 --> 00:37:36,860
 And this is what that area looks like from the street at the roosters, at roosters side

503
00:37:36,860 --> 00:37:37,860
 of it.

504
00:37:37,860 --> 00:37:40,620
 So over here is Hoochies and these are the apartments.

505
00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:44,160
 And we currently have the picnic tables and the vegetation.

506
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:49,440
 These things can be moved and being able to put it somewhere in that particular location

507
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:59,360
 is where we would suggest that it go, but the committee can figure that one.

508
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:04,760
 Just to provide some background information, right when I started, staff had been working

509
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:11,520
 on this location, it was more dirt, there wasn't good soil in there, and we regraded

510
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,680
 it and put down some sod.

511
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:19,040
 It does get a heavy use and actually this time of year with some of the events that

512
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:24,800
 happened on Industrial Street and the Day of the Dead Festival, they use some of this

513
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,460
 as well for some activity.

514
00:38:27,460 --> 00:38:32,920
 But we had started a master plan and we went through a number, we had four renderings put

515
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:41,380
 together to redevelop this park into a tiny little downtown space.

516
00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:47,360
 And we were focused on providing space for people to relax, but also could use it for

517
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,560
 those special events if we wanted to have a speaker or a UNT musician wanted to come

518
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,720
 over and play the saxophone, or we wanted to have a three-piece band kind of set up

519
00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:03,120
 there and just do some music, or someone wanted to give a community historical presentation,

520
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,780
 they could do that.

521
00:39:04,780 --> 00:39:10,080
 So just real quickly, and this was just right before the meeting, John and I were envisioning

522
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:15,880
 that if you wanted to use that art as the background, we could create almost like a

523
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:22,280
 classroom/stage in front of it, and maybe it's elevated a little bit where kids could

524
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:27,280
 go up there and there could be classrooms or tours for people to learn a little bit

525
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:38,000
 about the DWIF women and history, and that would be kind of facing away towards the Wells

526
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,280
 Fargo building.

527
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,280
 But then if you wanted to have a small event, a lecture, or a little concert, you could

528
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,800
 face towards Industrial Street.

529
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:53,720
 So it could really have multiple purposes, and the art would be the background for that

530
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:54,720
 performance.

531
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:59,160
 Obviously we would respect that, and that would have to be considered during design

532
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,040
 to make sure that that classroom/stage is large enough to accommodate that, and we obviously

533
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,880
 wouldn't put a rock band on there because it's more intimate per se than kind of our

534
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,880
 initial thoughts, but that was just a general idea.

535
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:18,080
 So we'd go back under the trees, and then this front area could be lawn access for people

536
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,440
 just to kind of relax and enjoy if they wanted to grab some food.

537
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:23,440
 Sorry to interrupt.

538
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,480
 A quick question since we're discussing locations.

539
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:34,520
 Between the two locations, is there one that would be considered safer from just the perspective

540
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,960
 of the well-being of the art installation?

541
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:44,120
 More visibility, more traffic, more eyes on, less inclination for someone to do something

542
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,120
 they shouldn't.

543
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,200
 Yeah, that's a great question.

544
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:52,880
 Obviously Quaker Town is a pretty active space, and we had that glass piece there, and that

545
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,680
 was vandalized.

546
00:40:54,680 --> 00:41:03,360
 I think really anywhere is suspect to some activity that's unwanted.

547
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:09,840
 I think this gets probably more pedestrian traffic throughout the day and the evening.

548
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,480
 Fred Moore is more neighborhood, especially with staff living right across the street

549
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,280
 for residents living right across the street.

550
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,400
 From that, there's kind of an eyes and ears on there, but I think there's pros and cons

551
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,880
 to both locations.

552
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,840
 So you probably could make arguments for both, but I think from a traffic pattern, you probably

553
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:36,640
 get more overall on this location just because of whether you're going down there to eat

554
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,320
 or not, or you're driving by in the car.

555
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,080
 There's a lot of people going to and from.

556
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,360
 You could see even just the amount of cars that are there right now, probably on an average

557
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,760
 weekday.

558
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,160
 And then, I know you guys aren't done, I hope you don't mind if I throw a second question

559
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,160
 your way.

560
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,160
 Absolutely.

561
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,720
 Regarding the app perspective aspect with the phone and the art installation, with the

562
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:04,280
 Play Store and the Apple Store, there's a yearly fee for app developers to keep that

563
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,600
 app active in the store.

564
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:11,600
 What would be the proposed length of time that that app would stay active so that people

565
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,840
 could actually download it and use it?

566
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:19,920
 And if that hasn't been considered, it's something to consider because a year or two from now,

567
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,280
 if the app is a major feature of the piece and it's unavailable in the app store to download,

568
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,280
 then that's a detriment.

569
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,680
 Yeah, that's a fantastic question, and I don't know the answer to that.

570
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:38,040
 I don't know if the app that they're looking at is a general app that is for art or not.

571
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:43,200
 Maybe there's a more generally acceptable app that's out there, but I think it would

572
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:48,360
 be great for us to really use that for all of our artwork and really expand to a walking

573
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,840
 tour, which I know you guys have had discussions on in the past, to really integrate everything

574
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:58,240
 that we're doing from an art perspective and even the historical perspective.

575
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:02,960
 Maybe you could even expand out to our cemeteries, so you could scan a head zone and you learn

576
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,720
 about a Civil War veteran.

577
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:12,160
 That actually is a great concept because rather than having a one-off app, have a centralized

578
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:20,240
 app that maybe is maintained by the city rather than the artist and tie that piece and all

579
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,940
 other pieces into that centralized app.

580
00:43:22,940 --> 00:43:27,360
 From that perspective, like with the Engage Denton app, there's not a problem of it disappearing

581
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:32,480
 from the app store because the city continues to pay the fees to Google and Apple to keep

582
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:33,480
 it going.

583
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,200
 That's a great, great concept.

584
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,800
 We thought about the same thing for the mural.

585
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,080
 Whether it was a QR code or if we just use visual scanning.

586
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,600
 If you were walking by and you scanned one of the ladies, then it would bring up more

587
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,600
 detail about that person and if we could even use geo-fencing, it might help promote that

588
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:51,600
 more.

589
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,120
 If you're getting close to a piece of art, it would provide a notification on your phone.

590
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:01,840
 There would be a lot of cool ways that we could start integrating more technology into

591
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,240
 our community.

592
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:09,700
 Ed, I like the idea of possibly doing it through the Engage Denton.

593
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:11,160
 I don't know what your experience is.

594
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,400
 I would love to hear you talk about this at some point.

595
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,160
 I'm thinking last year I went to the Dolly Museum and they had, I didn't have to download

596
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,160
 an app at all.

597
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:26,800
 I just scanned my phone at something and the pictures moved and it gave you like a narrative

598
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:27,960
 and stuff.

599
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,560
 So I'm wondering if it has to be an app, but if it did, maybe Engage Denton would be the

600
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:33,560
 one to use.

601
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,920
 Yeah, or the city may have other, since Engage Denton has a specific purpose.

602
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,920
 Maybe the city has a different app in mind that's being developed.

603
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:42,920
 I'm not sure.

604
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,480
 I think the fewer, in line with what you're saying, Michelle, which is a great idea, the

605
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,800
 fewer apps that people have to download, the better if it can all be centralized into one

606
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,280
 app that's offered by the city.

607
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,400
 Then that really simplifies things both for the city and for people using the apps.

608
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:07,240
 Yeah, I think that's a super point because Engage Denton right now is primarily promoted

609
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:11,440
 as a way to voice your concerns.

610
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:17,800
 So maybe it could be a really a way to engage Denton in more than just one perspective.

611
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,960
 So that's something we definitely could reach out to them.

612
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:25,520
 I mean, that may not be part of their platform, which I'm assuming it might not be, but who

613
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:32,160
 knows maybe that's an opportunity for them to spin off some more community involvement.

614
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,160
 I agree.

615
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,160
 That's a great idea.

616
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,160
 Cool.

617
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,760
 Thanks for letting me interrupt with those questions.

618
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,640
 No problem at all.

619
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:42,640
 Okay.

620
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,280
 Any other questions?

621
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:57,680
 Well, are we going to have time at the end of this to well, yeah, we will, never mind.

622
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,320
 So this is this is the last slide.

623
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:05,640
 So I guess our comment to the chair and the board is, you know, do you like first of all,

624
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,920
 I guess the location.

625
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:13,240
 But before that is do you like the proposal that's being presented to you, or do we need

626
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:18,400
 to go back and revisit with the subcommittee on the proposals that they provided?

627
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:24,100
 I don't know if any of the subcommittee members would like to maybe start off with the design

628
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:31,200
 and then we could talk about the location seconds.

629
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,480
 Nothing to say about the design other than I think it's fantastic.

630
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,480
 I like it.

631
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,920
 I love the design.

632
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,960
 I like how it's very interactive and that it gives everything a lot of context.

633
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:52,480
 And the history, it's not just, you know, a monument or a mural, it really puts everything

634
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:58,600
 in perspective and gives, yeah, like the history of what these ladies did and everything.

635
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:12,400
 I think it's beautiful.

636
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,400
 Anything else?

637
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:18,160
 Not on the, oh, sorry, go ahead.

638
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:23,600
 No, I had I had something to say about the location options, if I may.

639
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,600
 Absolutely.

640
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,000
 And then I'll go after you.

641
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,940
 I worked on the square at an art gallery for nine years.

642
00:47:30,940 --> 00:47:39,720
 And one thing I can say that I think personally that the downtown area would be a better fit

643
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:47,920
 because if you put it in the neighborhood, it's going to be definitely a destination

644
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,960
 rather than something you come across.

645
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:56,160
 And people are the people that are going to be going there into the neighborhood are already

646
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:04,000
 going to be people that are interested in knowing about that history.

647
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,560
 And they're going to already know it's there.

648
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:18,400
 So it's in a way you're kind of already getting to the to the demographic that care and know

649
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:26,080
 about the history, whereas if you put it downtown, you're going to get, first of all, just exponential

650
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:33,400
 more people because of, you know, the traffic, the festivals, you know, anything like that.

651
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:43,040
 But also just you'll get a lot of just people that will walk by accidentally and walk in

652
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:50,240
 and, you know, experience that and get to know the history by accident and be informed

653
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,560
 and touched by the stories.

654
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,680
 And I think that's really important.

655
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:04,720
 You know, I think it'll just affect a lot more people that normally, even if they knew

656
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:12,040
 about the piece being over in Fred Moore Park, they're not going to go over there.

657
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:17,400
 You know, so I just think that's something to consider.

658
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,400
 I agree, Meredith, I think there are two other reasons why I like the industrial street park

659
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:30,600
 option is to just from my background and security, I feel would be a more secure location just

660
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,240
 for the amount of traffic and eyes on.

661
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:42,400
 And third, if I understood correctly, that's the wish of the DWIF that it go in that location.

662
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,880
 And I don't understand the logic of having a art installation to honor them and putting

663
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,240
 it somewhere where they wouldn't want it to go.

664
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:58,800
 So for those three reasons, I would also lean towards industrial street park.

665
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,600
 I agree as well with all that you both just said.

666
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:09,440
 I like the industrial street park as well.

667
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:19,200
 Is there a way that maybe we could ask or propose to the city council or the police

668
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:25,160
 or whatever that they put security cameras or a security camera?

669
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,840
 And then I notice that you're being filmed.

670
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,720
 I don't know.

671
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:34,560
 Sometimes that just deters people because they're scared.

672
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:41,840
 We are looking at a number of locations in the city that have security concerns.

673
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:47,680
 Quaker Town, we had an analysis done by a risk management group just to see how we can

674
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,560
 improve security and safety in that park.

675
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,960
 And we're going to be doing that down the road with a number of our other facilities.

676
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:01,880
 We do have cameras in some locations, not generally in all of our parks.

677
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:06,960
 The dog park, we have a camera over there and in our facilities.

678
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:12,360
 So we are looking at cameras for illegal dumping in some of the dump sites that we have across

679
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,660
 the city to try to stop that.

680
00:51:14,660 --> 00:51:17,640
 But we could look at that location as well.

681
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,460
 That might be a future funding opportunity that we'll have to identify, but we could

682
00:51:21,460 --> 00:51:23,920
 definitely include that in our future plans.

683
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:29,720
 Gary, you said you would get back to the issue that I brought up earlier.

684
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:37,360
 I just want to say a little bit more related to this project and its intention.

685
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:45,080
 Its intention in part is to honor the women who took that work on.

686
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:57,560
 And also, I would think to elevate and encourage continued bridge building throughout the city

687
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,940
 and with various communities.

688
00:52:00,940 --> 00:52:09,120
 When I did my Hot Funds application this year, I requested support for programming around

689
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,680
 this project, DWIF.

690
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:17,480
 I'm not sure what that programming will look like, but maybe one of the things in order

691
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:27,760
 to capture the intention of this project would be to have programming there maybe on a quarterly

692
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:33,040
 basis or a monthly basis that highlights, this is what I'm thinking now, I have to make

693
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:40,580
 it happen, that highlights the different women and their involvement in their lives and/or

694
00:52:40,580 --> 00:52:47,640
 even university community and student performers who maybe could animate some of those stories.

695
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,920
 So things like that.

696
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:59,480
 I do understand why Monet would want us to consider Fred Moore because of the community

697
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,080
 that it represents, the African American community.

698
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:13,080
 But I think our ambitions need to be broader, that it educates everyone and builds bridges

699
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,080
 particularly in the climate that we're currently living in.

700
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,600
 So that being said, I'm done.

701
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:28,240
 So just to follow up that in regards to Fred Moore, Councilmember Hudspeth had asked us

702
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:33,840
 to look at as part of the construction efforts for the American Legion that being rebuilt

703
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:43,420
 to almost create like a living history mural or a wall of fame type of perspective where

704
00:53:43,420 --> 00:53:48,560
 some of the instrumental people in Southeast Denton could be focused on and we would tie

705
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,100
 that all together.

706
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:57,020
 So we currently have some history along the DCTA rail trail that highlights DWIF as well

707
00:53:57,020 --> 00:54:03,880
 as just general history of that corridor in the city as a whole that we're actually working

708
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:09,080
 on replacing those signs because they're weathered and we do have seven pedestals that could

709
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,640
 use more plaques.

710
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,060
 So that's kind of part of our goal as well.

711
00:54:15,060 --> 00:54:22,840
 But if we put a wall of history inside of the American Legion Hall, that would be another

712
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,920
 way to really tie that all together.

713
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:32,400
 And if the PAC chose Industrial Street, that would be another location in the city where

714
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,680
 they have that information.

715
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:41,600
 So between Industrial Street Park, Georgina, your facility, Fred Moore, there could be

716
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:47,680
 multiple opportunities for programming, whether it's indoors or outdoors, on a little stage

717
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,620
 in the park and community history.

718
00:54:51,620 --> 00:54:56,340
 So that might be a good way to really kind of spread that out and provide it both at

719
00:54:56,340 --> 00:55:00,720
 Fred Moore and Industrial Street Park as an option for consideration.

720
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:01,720
 Could I add something?

721
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:02,720
 I'm sorry.

722
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:03,720
 Go ahead.

723
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:09,200
 Oh, I was just, I don't know if everyone on the committee is aware of this either, but

724
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:16,440
 we had also talked about having a bona fide trail that started perhaps out at the county

725
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:23,480
 museum where there's currently an exhibit that is about, that's in, it's not the schoolhouse,

726
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,500
 it's the one that's in the little house, but having the exhibit start at the county

727
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:32,880
 museum there or be involved with that some way because to walk from Carroll and I guess

728
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,680
 Sycamore where it is to get downtown is just a couple blocks and then to take the rail

729
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,340
 trail is a couple more blocks and then Fred Moore is a couple more blocks so that we could

730
00:55:42,340 --> 00:55:48,800
 actually start at the old house in the downtown county museum and make something that could

731
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:57,760
 be connected from like QR codes or like we said some other way of doing it with your

732
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,880
 phone, it could be a pamphlet, but there's a way to incorporate that entire thing into

733
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,240
 some sort of African American history in Denton County.

734
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:11,600
 We are trying to figure out a way to tie the rail trail into what we're proposing as part

735
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:19,280
 of our trails plan is the Pecan Creek trail that would start at the DCTA trail and go

736
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:30,440
 with the Fred Moore then over to Carl Young and then over to the property off of, by MKOC

737
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,000
 and then all points east following Pecan Creek.

738
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:39,120
 So there would literally be hopefully a long-term concrete trail that would connect everything

739
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,120
 together, not just virtually or technology-wise.

740
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:53,480
 Gary, the only other thing I would want us to consider is directional signage for this

741
00:56:53,480 --> 00:57:01,240
 project because while that space is there, it's also a hidden space.

742
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:05,720
 It could be seen as an alley that people might not want to venture down.

743
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:10,840
 So I would think that signage on the main streets would be important to provide guidance

744
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,520
 to everyone.

745
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:19,080
 The city did put directional signage in around downtown in probably two years ago.

746
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:24,840
 We could look at adding, if we needed to add a post here or two, we could definitely do

747
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:25,840
 that.

748
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,720
 If not, we could see about adding a panel to the existing sign so we could create a

749
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:41,760
 direction to that monument.

750
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:46,480
 So Chairperson, I guess we have two requests.

751
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:54,080
 One is the design and the existing budget for the artist's sculpture, and then two,

752
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:59,880
 the next question would be a discussion and a vote on the location.

753
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,120
 Okay, we can vote on the design and all that.

754
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,520
 Anybody in favor of the design?

755
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:07,520
 Aye.

756
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:08,520
 Aye.

757
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:09,520
 Aye.

758
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:10,520
 Aye.

759
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:11,520
 Aye.

760
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:12,520
 Aye.

761
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,520
 And then the location?

762
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,560
 No for me.

763
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,760
 Everyone else?

764
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,960
 I'm going to vote aye for the industrial street location.

765
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,200
 Aye for industrial street.

766
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,800
 Aye for industrial street.

767
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,240
 Aye for industrial.

768
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,440
 I don't get to vote, but I do have a question.

769
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,160
 I'm sorry, I'm just thinking about it.

770
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:47,440
 I want to hear from Monet what maybe would be not an alternative necessarily, but what

771
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:56,760
 other option might there be to integrate Fred Moore connected to this effort?

772
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:03,760
 Well, I just think, well personally, think about it, Interracial Fellowship was designed

773
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:08,200
 for the Pay This Roads in Southeast Denton, so why not have the art in Southeast Denton

774
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:15,600
 talking about the roads that you rant about all day, but you know, to each his own.

775
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:20,960
 Okay thank you.

776
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:27,600
 I'm sorry, I'm sorry that I interrupted.

777
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:34,640
 Okay so we have a unanimous vote on the design.

778
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:46,480
 And then a 6 to 1 on the location.

779
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:51,640
 We'll go ahead and start moving forward on that, getting contracts in place, get City

780
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:57,720
 Council and share the minutes and the summaries and the feedback from the Public Art Committee

781
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,840
 with City Council as well.

782
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:04,760
 All right, then the next thing will be the receipt report, hold discussion against staff

783
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,120
 direction regarding the purchase of the Nick Oblick sculpture.

784
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:20,160
 Okay, I am going to bring bringing that up now.

785
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:42,840
 We received some a request or a offer from one of our citizens to be able to purchase

786
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:48,440
 some of the artworks that he currently owned for from Nick Oblick, and that's basically

787
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:55,080
 what we have, and so he's got essentially all of these that he would be willing to part

788
01:00:55,080 --> 01:01:00,000
 with as a piece, or as all of them, or several of them.

789
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:05,800
 It depends on what the PAC wants to be able to do with that.

790
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:10,040
 To get an idea of which pieces these are, here's some of those.

791
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:15,260
 We put in some of the sizes for everybody, including the cost for them.

792
01:01:15,260 --> 01:01:22,520
 And so the sculpture A, you can actually see it in the middle picture there, and a garden

793
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:28,520
 location for it, and then over to what those look like just individually where he has them

794
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,360
 stored at the moment.

795
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:36,160
 So that's basically sculpture A, and sculpture B looks like it's a little bit bigger, and

796
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:45,240
 it's also located in that same general garden area for it, a little different cost, and

797
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:50,080
 sculpture C, it's again next to those other ones in the garden area, but in the right

798
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:56,880
 picture those are just all in storage at that particular time.

799
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:03,600
 And then all three of those as they looked when he had them in the garden area, pretty

800
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,880
 close to the same size.

801
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,360
 A sculpture D is called Rust, and that's what it looks like.

802
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:14,720
 It's got lots of rust here, a lot of patina to it, but it's a little bit bigger than the

803
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:15,720
 others.

804
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:20,200
 It's 102 inches by 42 inches wide, so it gets a little bit larger, and it's a bit more expensive

805
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,200
 at $21,000.

806
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:30,160
 And the sculpture E is actually a roadrunner, and you can see it very well from different

807
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:36,880
 angles of it, it's very free flowing, very much like the piece that's currently in Quaker

808
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:42,440
 Town Park, 16 feet long, 5 feet wide, 9 feet tall.

809
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,600
 Of course it's going to be the most expensive because it's the largest of each of the pieces

810
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:47,600
 for it.

811
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:54,280
 Have these prices been independently confirmed by outside appraisers?

812
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,520
 No, they have not.

813
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,520
 That was his original proposal.

814
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:05,200
 The discussion started, the resident reached out to Councilmember Hudspeth and connected

815
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,160
 us and I followed up and talked to him.

816
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:14,720
 Originally we had proposed, you know, we'd asked, are you looking for a lease, a loan,

817
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,240
 or a sale, and he had considered all those options.

818
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:23,960
 He did come back to us and proposed the sale of those.

819
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:29,840
 I think it still could be an option that we go back to them and say we'd consider a loan,

820
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,320
 or if we wanted to lease it for a couple of years.

821
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:39,440
 I know we have a program that's for a future agenda item for a temporary art location,

822
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:45,100
 and we talked about some art locations on Carroll over the past year where something

823
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:47,040
 like that could be put.

824
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,720
 We have not had any appraisals done yet.

825
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:56,040
 We wanted to, first of all, see what the interest level was from the Public Art Committee.

826
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:01,640
 We do have two Nick Nobleek pieces of art in the city's inventory.

827
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:07,900
 One is just on the east side of City Hall, right outside of the side doors at City Hall.

828
01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:13,920
 That was presented from the Denton Arts Festival, I think it was, and then we have one over

829
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:20,300
 at Waterworks Park in an auditorium that's in the landscaping of the outdoor pool.

830
01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:27,440
 That's also a Nick Nobleek artwork, so I didn't know if the, since we already had Nobleek

831
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:32,120
 sculptures in the city's inventory, if we wanted to provide more diversification, but

832
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:38,840
 I wanted to provide this to you for discussion and feedback from the group.

833
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:44,480
 Curiosity, what is he intending to do with them?

834
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,360
 I'm not sure.

835
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:53,720
 I know he had the Road Runner was located over by Denton Ryan High School, not Denton

836
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:58,760
 Ryan, Southeast High School.

837
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,600
 Help me out.

838
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:05,320
 Off of Teebly, what's the name of the school there?

839
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:06,320
 Guyer?

840
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:07,320
 Guyer.

841
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:12,120
 It's in the landscaping of an apartment complex across from Guyer High School, and it may

842
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,600
 still be there if you want to check it out.

843
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,040
 And that's how I went over and looked at it.

844
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:21,620
 So I think he has purchased these over the term, and he's trying to identify what he

845
01:05:21,620 --> 01:05:23,680
 wants to do with them long term.

846
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:35,840
 From my perspective, if you look at the art that we're putting in, the new art, the Vela,

847
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,360
 all of the items that we've looked at today in various presentations.

848
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,480
 The Nick Nebleek to me look like old Denton.

849
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:43,480
 I grew up here.

850
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:49,200
 I remember when they filmed the Benji movie at the post office, right?

851
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,800
 That was so cool as a kid.

852
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,920
 Anyway, I digress.

853
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:57,400
 The Nick Nebleek pieces, while they're very nice, they convey old Denton to me, and we're

854
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:03,920
 kind of moving in a new direction with our art, so I would not be in favor of the committee

855
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:04,920
 picking them up.

856
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,840
 That's just my opinion.

857
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:16,600
 Just a reference point, Benji did run down the halls, the city hall too.

858
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:21,560
 Nice.

859
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:29,360
 I'm not sure I understand where the funds for this would come from.

860
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:35,120
 We would have to identify funds and see what we have in our existing inventory or go out

861
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:42,600
 and look for hot funds or other funding sources, but he had asked, we talked maybe two or three

862
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:48,600
 months ago, and I wanted to give him an answer, so he knew our direction.

863
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:53,480
 We did put on there as a recommendation that if you guys were in favor of this, we would

864
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,960
 want to hold off with the other projects we have that we need to get out under production

865
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,120
 and get installed and it's something we can consider down the road, but I did want to

866
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:06,400
 get him an answer and get some feedback from the public art committee so we could at least

867
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:11,080
 provide him some direction if he wanted to put that on the market or do something else

868
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:15,560
 with them at this time.

869
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:21,480
 I'm personally not in favor and would eventually like to revisit, I believe it was Alicia's

870
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:30,760
 idea of doing temporary art, or I forgot.

871
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:36,520
 That's something that we talked about I think in July with the PAC and we need to update

872
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:41,420
 those rules of engagement for that program, but we didn't want to detract from the focus

873
01:07:41,420 --> 01:07:46,760
 of getting these projects going, so that's a future project that we will circle back

874
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:55,360
 around on.

875
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:56,360
 I agree.

876
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:00,160
 I agree that if we already have two pieces of art from this fella, it's nice, but I

877
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:05,720
 don't think that especially with what our budget's going to look like next year, I don't

878
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:07,680
 think that we would have the money for it.

879
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,440
 We don't have a place planned for it.

880
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:19,360
 I would say at this time, that's probably a pass on my part.

881
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,120
 I agree with that.

882
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:26,280
 I agree.

883
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,080
 Chairperson do we need to have a motion or?

884
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:30,080
 Yes.

885
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:35,680
 We'll do a motion to not accept the naked oblique sculptures.

886
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,240
 I'll second that.

887
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,160
 All in favor?

888
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,080
 This is in favor of?

889
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:44,080
 Not accepting.

890
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,080
 Not accepting.

891
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:46,080
 Yes.

892
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,080
 Aye.

893
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:48,080
 Aye.

894
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,080
 Aye.

895
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,080
 Slightly declining.

896
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:51,080
 Yes.

897
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,560
 Thank you very much.

898
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,200
 We'll pass that information along.

899
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:02,520
 Next bullet point is receive report and hold discussion and give staff direction and input

900
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:15,840
 of the mural planned by the Denton Holiday Lighting Association at 227 West Oak.

901
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:20,280
 This is currently called the West Oak mural.

902
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,480
 This is a project by the Denton Holiday Lighting Association.

903
01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:28,440
 Essentially, they're just really replacing the mural damage during a wall repair, so

904
01:09:28,440 --> 01:09:31,120
 some of that had to come off the wall.

905
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:35,200
 It couldn't be something they could actually keep.

906
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:41,720
 They were all funded by Hot Funds for $11,500, has to be completed by December 4th, so they

907
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,840
 don't have that much time.

908
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:48,320
 It's not in the courthouse square National Register of Historic District, so it doesn't

909
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,200
 fall under those rules.

910
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:55,360
 It's also not under the downtown design standards, so it doesn't fall under those rules.

911
01:09:55,360 --> 01:10:01,480
 This is simply art that they're doing on a private building, actually one of the walls

912
01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:04,320
 is a design studio that's there.

913
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:05,920
 This is really informational only.

914
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:12,920
 This is no actions actually needed by the pack at this time for it.

915
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:18,320
 Just to give you an idea what it looks like, this is what it did before, so you can see

916
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:24,000
 what the wall was, and a lot of this, I guess it was a big crack and they had to fix a lot

917
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:29,680
 of it and repair the bricks, so that was essentially scrapped from what they did.

918
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:34,680
 They have two different options that they're looking at, and so this is the look of one

919
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:43,400
 of them, so if you are standing over in the parking lot looking, and you can see the cars,

920
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,320
 I think that's Gary's Jeep right there.

921
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:51,560
 This is one of the design ideas, and so this isn't like an advertisement in the way for

922
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,600
 the Holiday Lighting Festival on that wall.

923
01:10:54,600 --> 01:11:00,200
 This is option one that they have, and the second option is more like this particular

924
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:01,200
 design still.

925
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,880
 It has the Holiday Lighting Festival piece on it.

926
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,280
 Is that snow?

927
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:10,920
 Please tell me it's not, because we don't get snow like that.

928
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:11,920
 It's white sidewalks.

929
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:17,640
 It's white sidewalks, okay, gotcha.

930
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:26,760
 Don't really know, but they're deciding on what these are, but if we have these types

931
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:31,760
 of projects come in and around town, that can be considered public art in a way that

932
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:36,040
 it's a good idea for the Public Art Committee to know about it.

933
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:49,160
 If we have any questions.

934
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:55,280
 So this is not an item of official control, I guess, but we wanted to make sure in talking

935
01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:00,560
 with the staff member that's in charge of the HUD funds that we shared it with you and

936
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:07,080
 gathered any feedback from the group, just in case City Council asked a question if you

937
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:08,880
 guys were referenced.

938
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:19,520
 I guess if we're just sharing opinions, but not necessarily voting, I definitely prefer

939
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:20,520
 the second one.

940
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:21,760
 It just seems like a big advertisement though.

941
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:28,880
 I mean like spending hot funds to advertise, not that I don't love the Holiday Lighting,

942
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:35,320
 but to see it all year round, but you know, it's not up to us to judge, I guess.

943
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:41,000
 I don't know, but you know, there's a similar mural on the Hickory Street for Day of the

944
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:45,360
 Dead that promotes that activity as well.

945
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,200
 I didn't know that.

946
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:53,080
 Yeah, it actually was being painted right during COVID when it hit in the spring.

947
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:58,960
 So it's pretty interesting.

948
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:03,920
 I saw that the other day, and I thought it was quite controversial, because that event

949
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:10,680
 is actually quite controversial, but yeah, I don't know.

950
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:11,680
 Could you tell me where it's located?

951
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,280
 I want to drive past it now.

952
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:19,240
 It's across from Hoochies and the Taco Shop, maybe a little further up Hickory.

953
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:23,280
 Right where the coffins go down the road.

954
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:24,280
 Yeah, okay.

955
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:25,280
 On the north side.

956
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:26,280
 Okay.

957
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:35,440
 So in thinking through this, with the Day of the Dead Festival, is that still going on

958
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:36,440
 this year?

959
01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:37,440
 No.

960
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:39,080
 I didn't think so.

961
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:45,000
 Okay, so with the Holiday Lighting Festival, what are the current plans of that festival

962
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,000
 with COVID?

963
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:53,800
 I think that that's, they have hot funds for this year's event, and they wanted to recycle

964
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:58,640
 those for the artwork, since they weren't going to have the event.

965
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,640
 Gotcha.

966
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:02,640
 That's correct, John.

967
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,640
 That's what I heard from Randy, yeah, who runs the hot funds.

968
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:11,480
 And with hot funds, it's kind of a use it or lose it type of thing, right?

969
01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:12,480
 Yes.

970
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:17,960
 Does that affect the amount that's budgeted then for the next year, if it's not used?

971
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:24,480
 That would be up to the hot funds committee and for Randy, who runs that.

972
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:29,440
 But normally these funds, because the COVID is a very unusual circumstance.

973
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:32,280
 So I don't think that's going to be held against anybody.

974
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:36,600
 But even people that don't use all their funds and turn in part of it, they're still considered

975
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,160
 for hot funds and fall in years.

976
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:40,160
 Yeah.

977
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:41,160
 Okay, good.

978
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:46,360
 I would just hate for it to, and I understand why it wouldn't, but I would hate to see it

979
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:52,920
 get counted against, because it wasn't used.

980
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:58,560
 So we can pass along that information, just some of the general feedback from everybody.

981
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:12,580
 If there's anything else you'd like to add, we can definitely do that.

982
01:15:12,580 --> 01:15:15,000
 And then item three is concluding items, anything else?

983
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:19,320
 So Madam Chair, before we get to that point, we did get notification from our city attorney

984
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:30,640
 that we could move forward and revisit back to item, I guess it's public PAC 20-039 and

985
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:36,040
 vote on the G. Rowland Vela Athletic Complex proposal.

986
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:44,480
 So maybe John could bring that back up just for one last visual.

987
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:49,180
 So with this would be an official vote that we can go ahead and move forward with contract

988
01:15:49,180 --> 01:15:52,240
 development and proposal to city council.

989
01:15:52,240 --> 01:16:17,320
 Let me get there just a moment.

990
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:25,680
 The total project is $100,000 and we'll be using a 65,000 of that from the complex construction.

991
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:32,240
 We do have a meeting scheduled in November with the oversight committee for the bond

992
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:36,360
 committee and we'll let them know and give them an update as part of that process as

993
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:41,640
 well and get some feedback with them and move forward with city council based on the proposal

994
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:50,620
 presented hopefully having this completed in June of 2021.

995
01:16:50,620 --> 01:16:53,840
 So since we already had the discussion phase, are you just looking for a motion?

996
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,480
 We're looking for an official vote based on us moving forward.

997
01:16:56,480 --> 01:17:00,140
 I know you kind of gave us the informal thumbs up, but we're looking for the formal thumbs

998
01:17:00,140 --> 01:17:01,140
 up.

999
01:17:01,140 --> 01:17:05,080
 So I would make a motion for a formal thumbs up that we vote to approve.

1000
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,080
 And I'll second.

1001
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:12,240
 And all in favor aye.

1002
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:16,840
 Lynn says aye.

1003
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:17,840
 That's unanimous.

1004
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:18,840
 Yes.

1005
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:19,840
 Yay.

1006
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:21,480
 Thank you very much.

1007
01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:24,360
 We'll get started on that immediately.

1008
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:28,000
 Excellent.

1009
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,120
 Thank you for that amendment.

1010
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:40,840
 Does anyone have any concluding items?

1011
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:45,320
 I did want to say that I had worked with a couple different people on a press release

1012
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:51,440
 for the women's interracial fellowship and I hadn't want to have done anything until

1013
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:56,760
 we approved that it was okay to go forward with that specific artist and had a location.

1014
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,360
 Is it okay?

1015
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:02,800
 Tell me Gary if it's okay if I just do it as a shared like on the Google Drive so everyone

1016
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:03,800
 can see it.

1017
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,960
 Could I share that document with everyone or would that be like a privacy thing that

1018
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,640
 I couldn't do because we're all in the same committee?

1019
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:11,640
 Good question.

1020
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:17,680
 I think the best step to go would be to share it with the subcommittee and let the subcommittee

1021
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,060
 work through that detail.

1022
01:18:20,060 --> 01:18:27,320
 And then once council approves it, I think we could send it out as an FYI to everybody

1023
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,560
 and just ask if you have any feedback, just give them to us individually and don't share

1024
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:31,880
 it with the entire group.

1025
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:32,880
 Okay.

1026
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,680
 I'll just share it to the subcommittee at this point then.

1027
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:36,680
 Okay.

1028
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,920
 And then once council approves it then we could work with our public affairs group for

1029
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,120
 sure and get that out.

1030
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:50,760
 One of the subcommittee meetings being held, I missed the last PAC meeting because I didn't

1031
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:57,640
 get the announcement and I'm just curious about our DWIF meetings because I've not received

1032
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,280
 any announcements for that.

1033
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:04,600
 I don't think there's been any in a while, I haven't either Georgina.

1034
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:10,280
 I think the last one we had was before we sent it out for official update and we were

1035
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,040
 waiting for those to get back.

1036
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:19,800
 So we haven't had a number of those for a while but the ones that are kind of dragging

1037
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,680
 a little bit that we've been focused on, a few of these to get them rolling, we'll get

1038
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:30,080
 those subcommittees rekindled I should say.

1039
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:39,400
 Thank you.

1040
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,920
 Anything else?

1041
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:47,000
 Thank you for everybody for everything you're doing to help us get these projects out.

1042
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:53,160
 We're looking forward to the day we can have an in-person dedication for all these events.

1043
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:57,560
 So hopefully maybe in the springtime when we get some of these rolling we can get everybody

1044
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:58,560
 out for a celebration.

1045
01:19:58,560 --> 01:19:59,560
 That'd be wonderful.

1046
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:00,560
 Absolutely.

1047
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:05,960
 All right, nothing further, we can close the meeting at 1.23.

1048
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:06,960
 Okay.

1049
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:07,960
 Thanks everyone.

1050
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:08,460
 Have a great weekend.