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 Good afternoon and welcome to the October Parks Board meeting.

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 I am Frances Punch, chair for the Parks Board.

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 Today we have no excused board members absent.

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 First question, do we have any members from the public that need to speak in this meeting

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 today?

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 No, chair, there are no callers for this meeting.

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 Fantastic.

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 First item of business is to consider approval of the minutes.

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 Any questions, concerns?

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 I see James has his hand up.

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 James, you're muted.

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 Sorry about that, minutes were good to me, I was just going to forward a motion.

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 Okay, does anybody have questions, concerns, corrections?

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 Okay, a motion to approve.

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 James is making a motion.

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 I need a second.

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 David is second.

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 All in favor?

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 Show of hands, please.

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 All right, anyone opposed?

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 Motion passes.

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 Second item is an item that was carried over from last month's agenda.

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 We're going to continue to talk about the trails concept map and who's going to do that,

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 Gary?

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 Dr. Walker is here as well as Drew and I, we can all kind of chime in.

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 Let me share this with you real quick.

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 At the end of last meeting, we were towards the end of the presentation and just wanted

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 to, we did not get a chance to go through the specific trails, but I wanted to first

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 of all see if there are any questions that you guys had from last meeting and I could

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 bring up the map and just kind of walk you through some of the larger trails that are

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 planned and I can share with you a PDF so you can go through the specifics at your leisure

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 and take a look at that.

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 As of right now, our plan is to meet with P and Z, planning and zoning, and walk through

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 with them on this and then eventually go to council shortly thereafter and get some feedback

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 from council, make sure we're on the right path.

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 We had a public meeting on October 1st.

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 We had over 100 people pre-register.

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 I think the largest amount we had actually online at one time was about 54, 55 people,

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 so it was very well attended and people stayed through the entire two hours as well.

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 So there was a lot of engagement, a lot of questions, and a lot of positive feedback

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 in the direction we're heading.

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 So this is a wish list.

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 Some of these things may never happen.

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 Some may happen 30 years from now.

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 Some may happen next year.

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 It all depends on funding, priorities, other city projects, and they will not happen in

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 order of phases either.

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 They may happen sporadically.

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 You may jump from phase one to phase six based on what's happening in that area and where

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 funding is available as well.

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 So it's really getting everything down on paper so we could start picking at it and

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 seeing what's feasible, what's not, where the challenges are, where it's easy to go

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 ahead and move forward.

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 So Dr. Walker and Parks and Rec staff have worked quite a bit on this, and every time

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 we look at it, we're updating it.

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 So there's so many ideas and opportunities out there.

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 We wanted to make sure that we got feedback from the board itself, and then I can share

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 the map with you.

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 So if you have any feedback from the presentation, if you remember, if there's anything you want

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 us to go back over, we sure will do that for you.

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 And then after that, I'll bring up the GIS map.

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 Any questions about any of the prior discussions?

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 I'll admit, a month is a long time.

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 I have a hard time remembering what my train of thought was yesterday, but I think I left

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 that meeting feeling pretty clear.

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 Okay, I'll bring up the GIS map and share this with you, and then it may jog some questions

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 for you.

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 Dr. Walker, are you with us?

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 I am.

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 Okay.

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 Also, for the note takers, I guess you guys saw that Kent joined on, just for making sure

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 that we're accurate with our minutes.

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 Hello, Kent.

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 Yes.

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 Thank you, David.

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 I saw him.

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 Okay.

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 Okay.

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 So this is our GIS map, and this is what we use for a lot of our planning efforts.

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 So if you remember, the green items are our park spaces.

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 The purple are city properties that are not specifically park dedication.

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 And then the blue circles are our 10-minute walk.

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 So you get a general sense of where our parks are in that half-mile radius.

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 Now I'm just going to start zooming in here and go over a couple things.

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 So this pink line right here, that's the DCTA Rail Trail that already exists.

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 So that gives you an idea kind of where things are.

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 Here's 35E.

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 Pecan Creek is probably the easiest creek for us to start working on.

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 And that will basically connect to the DCTA Trail, go through Fred Moore, through this

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 purple property right here, into Carl Young, over to Woodrow, through some city property.

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 There's one developer that owns this entire area on the north side and south side of Shady

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 Oaks.

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 They currently have about four to eight miles of trails in this area that would connect

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 up to Mack Park.

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 That would all be built and maintained by the development if that would move forward.

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 So that's still early on in the process.

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 We'd connect to Meadowbrook, I'm sorry, Pebblebrook Park.

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 We'd eventually put some trails through that property as well and then into city property.

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 So this is the treatment plant and the landfill all on the north side of the creek.

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 I guess it's the north and east side of the creek.

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 That would follow all the way down to Lake Louisville into the Army Corps property down

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 in here.

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 This is all Army Corps.

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 So that would connect all the way from the east side, from Lake Louisville to downtown.

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 And most of this is government property, so that's why we feel this is probably the easiest

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 one to do.

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 Some of these obviously have private property in them, and we may not own the property yet,

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 but it's still a visionary because that property could come up for sale.

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 We could work on an easement, and if the property owner's just not going to happen, then we'll

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 figure out other ways to work around it.

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 So that's still an opportunity.

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 So the Mingo Trail, whenever this road is rebuilt, there'll be a 10-foot wide trail

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 along Mingo.

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 It may go to on-street once we get past 288 right now just because of traffic needs.

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 If this eventually grows and redevelops, then we might look at that down the road.

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 But there would be a trail at least to 288 and then on-street out to Clear Creek.

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 So that would technically connect, hopefully, Dallas all the way to Lake Ray Roberts.

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 So that's kind of like the long-term plan there.

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 Cooper Creek, right now, this trail basically almost starts in North Lakes Park.

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 It comes up through the dog park, up to the animal shelter, and then goes north, up to

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 North Point Park in this area.

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 And then it follows the creek all the way down to Evers Park.

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 And then it crosses 2164, and then it goes all the way over to Sherman.

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 From that point in time, and we put this in the Friday report, the connection from Sherman

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 to Avondale is really tight.

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 There's an easement along the creek, but it's very narrow.

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 It would be much easier for us and quicker to follow Sherman down to Windsor, which would

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 be down to here, and then go on-street because there's already a bike path here for half

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 of that distance, and then into Avondale Park.

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 Then from Avondale Park down towards Mingo, it's a little bit challenging here as well.

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 So that's more of a challenging section of Cooper Creek.

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 Just moving up a little bit north, we would take Sherman and try to expand that wherever

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 we can, whether it's on-street or expanded sidewalks, all the way up as far as we can

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 go.

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 At some point in time, there's going to be a road going east-west, basically from Frisco

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 to Denton 35.

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 We're not sure exactly where that's going to sit.

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 That's a long-term tech stop project, but we'd like to try to get a trail along Sherman.

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 That's a popular bike riding route for people.

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 But Clear Creek is this black line that follows Clear Creek.

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 At the very minimum, it would start at 428 and go east and connect all the way over to

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 this purple is the proposed mountain bike trail that we've had some discussions on.

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 We haven't talked in great detail because we're just starting to kind of get that kind

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 of lined up.

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 But it would come through this parcel here and then connect to Clear Creek.

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 And then eventually, a lot of this property is owned by the Carter family.

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 We're talking to the developer about a small trail that would follow some floodplain here

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 that would connect those neighborhoods to the Clear Creek trail, and that's what this blue

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 line is here.

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 Let's see.

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 We'll jump over here.

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 So Bonnie Bray, this is under construction right now, all the way down at Vintage.

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 And so it's going to be on street up into Rose Lawn, up to right about here.

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 It'll be on street, and then it'll go on a 10-foot path, a side path, all the way up

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 to 77, past the new high school, which is slated here, up into this area.

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 And then it might go past 77 to the north side of 288.

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 So that'll be a 10-foot side path.

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 Under construction right now is the Vintage trail.

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 We're actually having a meeting on Wednesday with this neighborhood here because they have

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 some concerns about some of the construction and just want to get them up to speed on what's

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 going on.

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 It would be on the south side of the Vintage road that's being built, and then once it

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 gets to Bonnie Bray, it'll jump to the north side and follow all the way down to 377.

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 And that's a 10-foot path as well.

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 There will be a trail that follows the city property along Bonnie Bray through the Vintage

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 parcel that we own, through a small section of this private development, and into Southwest

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 Park.

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 So there's really Vintage, Bonnie Bray, Southwest Park, and Hickory Creek all merging here.

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 So Hickory Creek starts way down here at the lake, basically.

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 But the real first trailhead is the old Alton Bridge, and it's Army Corps property all the

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 way up pretty much to the south cross timbers.

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 And then there's some private property here.

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 We could either go through our property along the road, and then this section right here

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 is that kind of zigzag portion of Hickory Creek.

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 That's going to be vacated eventually, and it's going to straighten out, and it's going

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 to come all the way across here and connect to 35.

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 So this will be basically our trail bed for that trail.

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 But this would follow up and follow the creek all the way up to 35 at this point, and just

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 keep going all the way over to the west side of the airport, all the way up to basically

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 University.

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 Let's see, right to here.

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 And then there's a future road that's going to be over here that'll take it to University.

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 So Hickory Creek's pretty long.

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 There's a lot of city property here with the airport.

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 The deck, the energy center is in this area too, so we can get through some of those parcels.

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 This area over here, this is all Hunter Cole Ranch.

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 So that's already been kind of laid out.

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 It's still very early in the development, but that already is on our radar from that

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 perspective.

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 377, we want to actually expand the one on 377.

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 The first section they're working on right now is just a five-foot sidewalk, because

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 we were a little late to the game on that one, but we want to expand it to 10-foot,

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 so it goes all the way down to Argyle and down to Roanoke that provides that connectivity.

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 Then we have Hickory Creek Road going east-west, Ryan going east-west, 2499, Teasley going

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 north and south.

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 Let's see, what else am I forgetting?

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 University Trail, the section from the border all the way to Mayhill is funded, and that's

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 going to be done in the near future by TxDOT.

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 So this section's going to be going under construction.

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 There's already sidewalk, obviously, in a lot of these places, but we'd like to expand

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 it from five to at least eight or 10 feet, if we can.

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 That's kind of it in a really quick snapshot, and we went through this kind of same proposal

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 process with the community meeting just to kind of talk about it, and then some people

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 were chiming in about more specifics, but this is kind of the plan that we have in place.

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 There's a little over 200 miles of trails that have been planned.

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 Again, long-term, 25, 40 years for some of these to happen.

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 Some may never happen.

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 The other thing that we had talked about was paddling trails, so we're trying to figure

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 out how we could get from Lake Ray Roberts all the way down to the Lake Lewisville.

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 We have at the confluence, there's currently a dam right there that's backed up that needs

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 cleaned Texas Parks and Wildlife, and the Army Corps did clean the section on the south side

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 of 380, but one of the ideas that came out of the discussion is create a paddling trail

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 with all the communities on Lake Lewisville.

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 It's about 100 miles of paddling efforts if you follow the shoreline, and about 30 boat

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 ramp areas that could be used for launches.

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 So we're going to be reaching out to all the cities that are on Lake Lewisville to see

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 if we can't put together a paddling trail for the entire lake.

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 So that's it in a snapshot.

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 I mean, that's a quick summary of basically two years of work, so it may not do it justice,

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 but there's a lot of information.

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 If you want more information about a specific trail, this is what we've done as a chapter

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 within our Parks and Recreation Master Plan.

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 Eventually, there'll be a full-blown study needed for each one for this entire trail

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 system with lot by lot design and acquisition needs and the details of figuring out how

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 we would get trails through these properties and identifying what the challenges and opportunities

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 are to move forward on those.

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 So Dr. Walker, do you have any other any comments to add to that?

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 No.

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 You got it all.

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 I mean, that plus everything we covered last time.

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 Yeah.

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 Well, Gary, I want to commend everybody for working so hard on this.

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 It really looks phenomenal.

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 I have two concerns, which you probably have already heard them as well.

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 Community members reached out, and the two concerns, which is one we're going to talk

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 about later in the agenda, is safety along the trails and safe crossings.

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 Okay.

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 So we did go back and put call boxes in our chapter to identify where call boxes would

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 need to be located.

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 You can probably, is that coming up in the next, that's on the agenda, is that coming

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 up later when you talk about safety and security?

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 Yeah, I guess it probably goes with those, but we've added both the crossings and the

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 call boxes to the master plan chapter.

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 So it is on our radar for sure for our trail system.

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 Fantastic.

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 Gary, that plus park access.

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 Yes.

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 Okay.

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 And lighting.

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 Yep.

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 And lighting.

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 Yep.

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 James?

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 Yeah, just a quick question.

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 Are you going to work, you're in the process of working with other towns and cities on

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 the, I guess the lake trail, I recall the boat trail?

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 Paddling trail.

00:18:37.280 --> 00:18:38.280
 Yep.

00:18:38.280 --> 00:18:39.280
 Yeah.

00:18:39.280 --> 00:18:40.280
 And which is good.

00:18:40.280 --> 00:18:41.280
 That's excellent.

00:18:41.280 --> 00:18:50.360
 How about for the best plan trail for the actual hard service trails, like we communicating

00:18:50.360 --> 00:18:57.040
 with Argyle and Crenth and Little Elm, those kind of guys.

00:18:57.040 --> 00:18:59.640
 That's on our radar.

00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:01.320
 We haven't started that process yet.

00:19:01.320 --> 00:19:05.280
 We wanted to kind of run through the local community first, make sure we're on the right

00:19:05.280 --> 00:19:09.880
 path and then we'll be reaching out to them to see kind of what their plan is and see

00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:12.200
 how we could mirror those up.

00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:13.200
 Sounds good.

00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:17.680
 That leads to my second and last question, I hope.

00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:23.800
 On the processes and communicating with neighborhoods that, hey, this is what we're looking at doing

00:19:23.800 --> 00:19:27.400
 and a lot of times you get feedback from, obviously you want to get feedback from the

00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:28.880
 neighborhoods, right?

00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:32.760
 So in that process, how does that communicate this?

00:19:32.760 --> 00:19:37.280
 Because a lot of people, when they see these trail maps, they go, oh, you're going to put

00:19:37.280 --> 00:19:39.480
 this in my backyard tomorrow.

00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:47.120
 And I think that helps to show, well, this is just a process and kind of list out and

00:19:47.120 --> 00:19:51.400
 share with them, you know, the listing of the process and how the whole thing is going

00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:56.320
 to go so that this is like rubber bands, actually, right?

00:19:56.320 --> 00:19:57.320
 Yes.

00:19:57.320 --> 00:19:59.760
 So good timing.

00:19:59.760 --> 00:20:02.900
 We had that exact thing happen last week.

00:20:02.900 --> 00:20:12.760
 So the section on Cooper Creek Trail from Sherman to Avondale Park, it's about 20, 30

00:20:12.760 --> 00:20:15.880
 houses that this section would, if we followed the creek.

00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:22.760
 Let me flip over to an aerial so you can see it a little bit better.

00:20:22.760 --> 00:20:28.580
 So up in this western side, it's a little more open, but it gets really close to a number

00:20:28.580 --> 00:20:30.440
 of houses here.

00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:36.360
 The Cherry Orchard House is right here and that's actually, Mrs. Smith is who I talked

00:20:36.360 --> 00:20:42.720
 to and she had heard about it and thought that the construction was starting.

00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:46.640
 And I explained to her, said, no, construction isn't starting, we're just right now gathering

00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:53.640
 feedback on a draft of the overall trails and we can talk to anybody.

00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:56.720
 We're more than willing to go out and talk to a neighborhood group for sure.

00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:00.680
 But some of these trails, again, may not happen for 20 years from now.

00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:04.280
 If something's going to happen soon, let's just say, for instance, we were going to build

00:21:04.280 --> 00:21:08.840
 this section next year and we had money for it.

00:21:08.840 --> 00:21:14.280
 We would have to go and get a design contract and get that approved through council.

00:21:14.280 --> 00:21:16.760
 So there's another opportunity for discussion.

00:21:16.760 --> 00:21:21.680
 And then after that happened, we'd go out to bid and get the contract for construction

00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:22.680
 approved.

00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:25.280
 There's another opportunity for discussion with council.

00:21:25.280 --> 00:21:29.200
 So there's going to be a couple touch points on each one of these that we'd be reaching

00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:35.680
 out to city council for various reasons that would spur on additional feedback.

00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:43.960
 We could have a discussion today on the trail, and let's say it doesn't happen for 15 years.

00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:46.640
 Half of those people could have moved on and new people there.

00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:48.040
 So we kind of have to start over.

00:21:48.040 --> 00:21:53.040
 So we're trying to get feedback from a theoretical standpoint.

00:21:53.040 --> 00:21:58.200
 And if this wasn't an option, we'd figure a way to work around it.

00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:04.280
 And truthfully, this is probably option B. Option A would be come down Sherman, go along

00:22:04.280 --> 00:22:08.200
 Windsor and then you could jump into the park in either one of these locations.

00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:10.760
 That's the cheapest and quickest.

00:22:10.760 --> 00:22:15.360
 But if we wanted to follow the trail with an off street trail section, this would be

00:22:15.360 --> 00:22:18.120
 a preferred method.

00:22:18.120 --> 00:22:25.360
 But ultimately, we're willing to talk to anybody at any time about any of these plans.

00:22:25.360 --> 00:22:29.860
 We can have 10 public meetings, but ultimately, someone's not going to hear about it.

00:22:29.860 --> 00:22:34.200
 So we're always going to be kind of chasing down people that may have missed it and trying

00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:36.600
 to provide that information.

00:22:36.600 --> 00:22:42.000
 And we'll keep pushing it as much as we can, whether it's presentation to P&Z, presentation

00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:47.620
 to city council, follow ups with park board, try to make people aware of what we're working

00:22:47.620 --> 00:22:48.620
 on.

00:22:48.620 --> 00:22:54.280
 Well, I was thinking there is like maybe put temporary signs up say, you know, future.

00:22:54.280 --> 00:22:55.280
 I won't say future.

00:22:55.280 --> 00:23:02.080
 I just say that's even too strong a word of saying potential, you know, trail, and here's

00:23:02.080 --> 00:23:07.400
 a website you can go to get the listings of the process, you know, tell you, you know,

00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:12.720
 where you can get, you know, if you don't if we don't have that information, everybody's

00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:18.280
 going to automatically assume the worst, okay, when you're building through, you know, pre

00:23:18.280 --> 00:23:23.320
 existing neighborhoods, that's it's going to be, you know, I can say from experience,

00:23:23.320 --> 00:23:28.040
 we used to get the ones was there, St. Quinn's going to dump all the you know, drive the

00:23:28.040 --> 00:23:31.800
 bus up and let all the local rapists and onto their trail.

00:23:31.800 --> 00:23:32.800
 That's usually what happens.

00:23:32.800 --> 00:23:38.760
 So by communicating in advance and ensuring that like on signs or something, so as a future

00:23:38.760 --> 00:23:43.640
 potential trail, and then here's a website and go to look at the process, you know, here's

00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:49.960
 probably and tell people upfront, when they go to that web page, that, you know, this

00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:56.000
 is not in stone, we want to look for the inputs and, you know, people to give their feedback

00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:57.200
 and all that kind of stuff.

00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:01.500
 But more importantly, to communicate the process to them.

00:24:01.500 --> 00:24:06.360
 So even if a new person moves into the neighborhood, they can read the sign and go, oh, hey, we

00:24:06.360 --> 00:24:10.120
 should get on that web page and try to figure it out, right?

00:24:10.120 --> 00:24:13.120
 Okay, we can we'll work on that.

00:24:13.120 --> 00:24:26.920
 I just I see an opportunity here in the beginning stages.

00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:28.280
 First of all, I love the trails.

00:24:28.280 --> 00:24:31.940
 I think they're so exciting, and I love that they're along the creeks.

00:24:31.940 --> 00:24:36.320
 And one of the things that's missing in our region, bigger than even Denton, but this

00:24:36.320 --> 00:24:42.600
 is like an opportunity is to think about the education of our waterways while you're developing

00:24:42.600 --> 00:24:43.600
 the creeks.

00:24:43.600 --> 00:24:49.480
 And just like keep that in every stage of planning of like, how are we going to do community

00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:57.280
 outreach, teaching people about their creeks and the natural flora and fauna along the

00:24:57.280 --> 00:24:58.280
 creeks?

00:24:58.280 --> 00:25:00.680
 So, Gary, I'll take that one.

00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:05.120
 So I have been and so is Gary and you know, we brought it to Dr. Walker's attention meeting

00:25:05.120 --> 00:25:07.040
 with environmental.

00:25:07.040 --> 00:25:13.080
 And so we actually have a nationally recognized wetlands coming soon that will be donated

00:25:13.080 --> 00:25:14.080
 to us.

00:25:14.080 --> 00:25:20.240
 And along with that, we would like to do a really nice educational piece there amongst

00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:24.760
 the rest of our trails with with nice signage to be able to explain our different waterways

00:25:24.760 --> 00:25:26.440
 and how important they are to us.

00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:33.260
 And just how important they are, and then how important they are to stay clean and healthy.

00:25:33.260 --> 00:25:39.480
 So just just to add to Drew's comments, so we are looking at various ways that we can

00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:45.240
 interpret various opportunities in Denton, whether it's trails to the cemetery and honoring

00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:51.280
 veterans or just residents, founders, those types of people, interpretive trails about

00:25:51.280 --> 00:25:56.360
 community history, similar what we have on the rails of trail right now, memorial trail,

00:25:56.360 --> 00:26:03.060
 similar to Ernest Dallas, nature trails, wildflowers, trees, you know, bushes, whatever landscaping,

00:26:03.060 --> 00:26:06.720
 and then even the Denton Arts Walk of Fame that goes on Hickory Creek.

00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:12.400
 So those are all different ways that we can educate people while they're exercising that

00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:14.240
 we definitely want to try to capitalize on.

00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:16.360
 So that's great idea.

00:26:16.360 --> 00:26:25.840
 Okay, if there are no other questions or concerns, Gary, it seems like everybody is in approval

00:26:25.840 --> 00:26:28.720
 of the current plan.

00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:35.560
 We understand that it will be continuing to be updated and information will be provided

00:26:35.560 --> 00:26:39.840
 to the community when needed.

00:26:39.840 --> 00:26:44.960
 And if no other concerns, we recommend that you move forward.

00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:47.840
 Oh, wait, David has a question.

00:26:47.840 --> 00:26:51.320
 You're muted.

00:26:51.320 --> 00:26:59.480
 Just a little question, what would be the way that citizens could get access to this

00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:04.000
 if they wanted to take a look at its current status at any point in the future?

00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:06.680
 Is this something that will be available on public domain?

00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:07.680
 Yes.

00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:12.360
 So we're going to make some updates to the plan right now.

00:27:12.360 --> 00:27:16.480
 The GIS map is private facing, it's internal right now.

00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:20.520
 We're working with our GIS team to make that publicly faced.

00:27:20.520 --> 00:27:21.940
 There's a number of layers on there.

00:27:21.940 --> 00:27:25.140
 So we got to make sure that some of those aren't available to the public.

00:27:25.140 --> 00:27:27.160
 It would just make it too confusing.

00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:31.640
 But they'll be able to go in there similar to the mobility plan and look at it.

00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:34.600
 And then they can provide feedback to us on specific areas.

00:27:34.600 --> 00:27:39.560
 So if it's their neighborhood or just citywide comment, we'll be able to collect that.

00:27:39.560 --> 00:27:45.080
 So we have a Parks and Recreation Master Plan website that will put all this information

00:27:45.080 --> 00:27:49.880
 on now that you guys have had an opportunity to see it and we'll get that out to the public.

00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:54.680
 And then we'll also share it with people that specifically were at the meeting on October

00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:55.680
 1st.

00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:56.680
 All right.

00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:57.680
 Even better.

00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:58.680
 Thanks.

00:27:58.680 --> 00:27:59.680
 Appreciate that.

00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:07.080
 Please, for all of y'all, just to save yourselves future headaches, we're talking about a chapter

00:28:07.080 --> 00:28:11.100
 of the Master Plan, not the Trails Master Plan.

00:28:11.100 --> 00:28:15.840
 So again, this is all currently conceptual until you complete a comprehensive Master

00:28:15.840 --> 00:28:18.700
 Plan for each segment.

00:28:18.700 --> 00:28:22.100
 So the term trail plan keeps getting used.

00:28:22.100 --> 00:28:24.560
 That's not what this is yet.

00:28:24.560 --> 00:28:28.740
 So it will be available as part of the Master Plan, but it is not the set document yet of

00:28:28.740 --> 00:28:33.960
 what you're planning to do by full budget and timeline and everything.

00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:35.080
 Thank you, Dr. Walker.

00:28:35.080 --> 00:28:39.240
 That's very important.

00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:40.240
 Just a quick comment.

00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:43.360
 I'd like to thank Dr. Walker.

00:28:43.360 --> 00:28:49.280
 He's put a lot of hours into this, well beyond what his scope was.

00:28:49.280 --> 00:28:54.120
 And I know he's engaged his students, too, and used this as a learning opportunity for

00:28:54.120 --> 00:28:55.120
 them.

00:28:55.120 --> 00:28:59.560
 So that's great in addition to helping, you know, raise future professionals.

00:28:59.560 --> 00:29:04.280
 But I'd like to just thank him for everything he's done for us.

00:29:04.280 --> 00:29:08.120
 Okay.

00:29:08.120 --> 00:29:10.640
 Are you raising your hand or are you clapping, Alana?

00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:12.640
 Oh, you're clapping.

00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.680
 Can't tell they're close.

00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:16.680
 Okay.

00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:25.040
 No, any other questions, concerns, if not, let's move to the next agenda item.

00:29:25.040 --> 00:29:27.360
 Thank you, Rosa, for being here.

00:29:27.360 --> 00:29:36.760
 Rosario is here to talk about the absence policy for the city boards.

00:29:36.760 --> 00:29:41.320
 So I'm going to operate the PowerPoint for Rosa.

00:29:41.320 --> 00:29:49.200
 So Rosa, just tell me when you need to change the slides.

00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:50.200
 Can you see that?

00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:55.080
 Can you see that yet?

00:29:55.080 --> 00:29:56.560
 I don't see it displayed yet.

00:29:56.560 --> 00:29:58.480
 Okay, let me see your directory.

00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:12.200
 Let me reload it.

00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:13.200
 How's that?

00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:14.200
 Okay.

00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:15.200
 Well, it's in PowerPoint.

00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:17.800
 I mean, can you make it the slide, like the presentation view?

00:30:17.800 --> 00:30:18.800
 That'd be great.

00:30:18.800 --> 00:30:19.800
 All right.

00:30:19.800 --> 00:30:20.800
 All right.

00:30:20.800 --> 00:30:25.160
 Well, I really do appreciate the opportunity to come in and discuss the policy.

00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:30.400
 I know that there's always questions when something new comes up and then sometimes

00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:35.920
 when there's a delay on any certain issue or process that's in place, then it's the

00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:38.180
 best time to actually discuss it.

00:30:38.180 --> 00:30:45.280
 So to provide a little bit of background, the city council did look at amending the

00:30:45.280 --> 00:30:52.440
 attendance policy and subsequently adopted an ordinance back in January 28 of this year

00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:54.680
 that amended the policy.

00:30:54.680 --> 00:31:01.760
 Now I will say that there was discussion at a work session in September of 2019 where

00:31:01.760 --> 00:31:05.840
 they had the opportunity to come in and provide detailed input about maybe what the proposed

00:31:05.840 --> 00:31:12.400
 changes, if any, were to take place, but the results of the amendments again happened on

00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:14.400
 January 28th.

00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:19.820
 So the excuse absence criteria that you had been provided in, of course, is detailed here.

00:31:19.820 --> 00:31:21.640
 That in itself did not change.

00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:25.040
 Those were actually already in place, so nothing there changed.

00:31:25.040 --> 00:31:32.120
 The main change was that the city council, rather than the border commission, would excuse

00:31:32.120 --> 00:31:37.280
 an absence that does not fall within the excused absence criteria.

00:31:37.280 --> 00:31:42.040
 And then, of course, it provided a notification process that the board member could follow

00:31:42.040 --> 00:31:46.600
 and of course some direction for the city's secretary on how she should handle any requests

00:31:46.600 --> 00:31:53.440
 for basically an exemption or request that an absence be excused if it did not meet that

00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:55.920
 specific criteria.

00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:00.400
 So here, again, you see what the excused absence criteria is.

00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.280
 I'm not going to go ahead and read them, but they're detailed here.

00:32:04.280 --> 00:32:07.200
 Next slide.

00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:13.000
 So the notification requirement, which is required in order, again, to seek an excused

00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:17.840
 absence, would be that the member notify the city's secretary of their inability to attend

00:32:17.840 --> 00:32:19.440
 an upcoming meeting.

00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:25.220
 Now again, most times members are going to miss maybe one meeting, but let's just say

00:32:25.220 --> 00:32:29.160
 that summertime's coming or you're planning a family vacation that's going to be an extended

00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:34.360
 amount of time that could possibly encompass more than one meeting date, you would notify

00:32:34.360 --> 00:32:37.860
 my office of the upcoming absence.

00:32:37.860 --> 00:32:42.960
 And again, it's really important that you notify my office as soon as possible.

00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:47.560
 I know some members will notify the board liaison, but it's really important to not

00:32:47.560 --> 00:32:53.600
 cause any delay that you can include me in that notification or even just the city secretary's

00:32:53.600 --> 00:32:56.200
 office in general and I'll get it.

00:32:56.200 --> 00:33:01.400
 But the key is, again, that you provide that notice in advance and I'll go into a little

00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.080
 bit more detail here later.

00:33:03.080 --> 00:33:04.220
 An email will suffice.

00:33:04.220 --> 00:33:09.480
 You don't have to provide any supporting documentation, but you do need to state the purpose of your

00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:14.300
 absence and it's accepted again at face value.

00:33:14.300 --> 00:33:16.880
 It's just strictly an honor system.

00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:24.320
 And again, there's a note here that notifying of the absence after it has occurred delays

00:33:24.320 --> 00:33:29.240
 the amount of time a member has to request it be excused if applicable and I'll go into

00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:30.560
 a little bit more detail there.

00:33:30.560 --> 00:33:33.220
 Next slide.

00:33:33.220 --> 00:33:40.960
 So after my office receives the notification of absence, I look at the criteria and determine

00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:46.360
 whether or not it can be designated as an excused absence.

00:33:46.360 --> 00:33:54.080
 And if it is excused, I notify basically everybody that's on that general email that the absence

00:33:54.080 --> 00:33:59.320
 is excused and it will be important that when the time the meeting comes up that the chair

00:33:59.320 --> 00:34:04.160
 announce that ex-member is absent, excused, you don't have to state the reason or anything

00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:06.520
 like that, just that it was excused.

00:34:06.520 --> 00:34:10.680
 Staff will have the backup documentation and of course so would I.

00:34:10.680 --> 00:34:14.680
 In the event that the absence, back one slide please, I'm sorry.

00:34:14.680 --> 00:34:21.960
 In the event that the absence is not excused, and the meeting happens, like in other words,

00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.840
 you didn't really know, maybe it was just the last minute thing and the member didn't

00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:30.640
 have the opportunity to notify anybody, then the chair should announce that the member

00:34:30.640 --> 00:34:36.440
 is absent and for tracking purposes I do recommend that you make a mention that whether it's

00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:41.280
 excused or not excused will be reported at a future date.

00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.280
 Next slide.

00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:52.880
 So to continue, so if the absence is excused, if the absence criteria is not, excused absence

00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:57.840
 criteria is not met, then I'll promptly notify that member, typically it'll happen the same

00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:03.360
 day and then they're given, it's a one sheet that kind of recaps the process I'm about

00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:11.520
 to outline here, that if they want the absence or considered excused, that they have 10 days

00:35:11.520 --> 00:35:17.120
 as of the date that the absence occurred to request from my office that I basically let

00:35:17.120 --> 00:35:23.640
 City Council, give City Council the option to try and excuse that absence.

00:35:23.640 --> 00:35:29.440
 And that is, that's the key as to why it's really very important that you notify in advance

00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:33.680
 if at all possible or immediately after the absence has occurred.

00:35:33.680 --> 00:35:38.920
 And then what I'll do is I'll place an item on the agenda to the, at the next possible

00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:43.720
 agenda of course the Open Meeting Act has to be followed, but we'll place an item on

00:35:43.720 --> 00:35:48.600
 the agenda, notifying the City Council that this member, you know, to go ahead and exempt

00:35:48.600 --> 00:35:53.000
 the off, the absence if they so choose.

00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:57.720
 Just to let everybody know, typically what we would use to let City Council know, we

00:35:57.720 --> 00:36:02.800
 would provide them the email that the board member provided to explain what the absence

00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:06.060
 is, should the needs, so the needs, should the need arise.

00:36:06.060 --> 00:36:08.320
 Next slide.

00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:13.680
 So then the City Council meets and they consider the item and the final decision is to, you

00:36:13.680 --> 00:36:16.480
 excuse the absence.

00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:23.760
 You know, we'll let the, we'll let the liaison and the staff liaison and the board member

00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:28.880
 know what the City Council final determination was, and it's important that that be reported

00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:30.520
 in the minutes.

00:36:30.520 --> 00:36:33.040
 Next slide.

00:36:33.040 --> 00:36:37.160
 And actually, that's it.

00:36:37.160 --> 00:36:41.320
 So what would happen, of course, that if the absence was not excused by the City Council,

00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:46.360
 then that would need to also be reflected in your minutes, so.

00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:47.360
 And that's basically the end.

00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:52.420
 I know that at the time that the City Council discussed, you know, the criteria, and again,

00:36:52.420 --> 00:36:56.520
 although there wasn't any change to what was already there, was that there could be very,

00:36:56.520 --> 00:37:03.760
 a variable amount of reasons why an absence could occur, that, I mean, the list could

00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:04.760
 go on.

00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:10.120
 And so they felt that if, that the list suffice and then that if there was anything outside

00:37:10.120 --> 00:37:15.560
 of that, then we, my office would submit the request for it for an exception if the member,

00:37:15.560 --> 00:37:18.760
 the board member, him or herself requested it.

00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:22.400
 So I'll take any questions.

00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:30.440
 So my question is, so let me just repeat what I think I heard you say.

00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:41.920
 If I, my absence is unexcused, wait, if I send you an email saying why it's not, why

00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:48.240
 I'm going to miss, and then it's, if it's not on that list, I have an opportunity to

00:37:48.240 --> 00:37:52.680
 go through the City Council, correct?

00:37:52.680 --> 00:37:58.000
 And I just send you an email and I send you an email and you send it to the City Council.

00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:04.280
 Yes, so what I will do is when you send me that email, I will let you know that it, let's

00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:09.000
 just say that it didn't meet the excuse criteria, but that you have the opportunity to request

00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:10.800
 an exception from council.

00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:12.720
 So you would respond in that email.

00:38:12.720 --> 00:38:18.000
 I would let you know that you have 10 days to let me know to that, yes, I want council

00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:19.000
 to consider my absence.

00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:24.480
 And then I would move forward almost immediately at the next possible agenda to have it delayed.

00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:29.800
 If by chance that absence happened maybe like before a big holiday break, then I would just

00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:33.080
 schedule it as soon as possible thereafter.

00:38:33.080 --> 00:38:37.400
 And if I did not receive that exception by those 10 days, then it would be too late for

00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.560
 me to move it forward to City Council.

00:38:39.560 --> 00:38:46.600
 Okay, well that helps because I was thinking that we had, as the individual had to connect

00:38:46.600 --> 00:38:51.680
 with the City Council, we just, we need to send you the email, you send the email to

00:38:51.680 --> 00:38:54.480
 Council and submit it to the agenda.

00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:55.480
 Yes.

00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:59.280
 And really what I would do is I would place an item on the agenda and give the City Council

00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.960
 the heads up that I'm going to be placing this item on the agenda so that they know

00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:05.320
 well in advance that it's coming.

00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.760
 And if the member wanted to provide, you know, maybe a little bit more detail, again, keeping

00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:14.320
 in mind that whatever you provide would be subject to the Open Records Act, then I would

00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:16.720
 be happy to provide it to the City Council.

00:39:16.720 --> 00:39:17.720
 Okay.

00:39:17.720 --> 00:39:22.600
 Be it for one meeting or maybe an extended amount of time depending on what the need

00:39:22.600 --> 00:39:24.400
 for the absence would be.

00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:28.640
 Okay, I know there has been conversation about family matters.

00:39:28.640 --> 00:39:35.720
 Can you talk to us about why that is not on the list of excused absence?

00:39:35.720 --> 00:39:41.120
 We really did not get into maybe including that or not including that.

00:39:41.120 --> 00:39:46.680
 The City Council, again, whenever we presented what the criteria was, they understood that,

00:39:46.680 --> 00:39:48.880
 you know, there was a certain list of criteria.

00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:51.380
 They did not feel that they needed to add to it.

00:39:51.380 --> 00:39:58.100
 But that if there was anything else that a board member felt should be, should be excused,

00:39:58.100 --> 00:40:02.560
 then that board member could communicate it through my office to them that it be accepted.

00:40:02.560 --> 00:40:08.640
 So we never really talked about can you include this, you know, this, you know, family obligation

00:40:08.640 --> 00:40:11.240
 or anything like that specific.

00:40:11.240 --> 00:40:17.720
 So we never really talked about that point being, you know, I guess an excused, possible

00:40:17.720 --> 00:40:20.280
 excused absence.

00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:23.160
 And is it possible we can get that added?

00:40:23.160 --> 00:40:24.160
 Yes.

00:40:24.160 --> 00:40:29.560
 If, you know, if you feel that that's necessary, I would definitely recommend that you take

00:40:29.560 --> 00:40:35.960
 an official position that you are requesting that the City Council consider, you know,

00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:40.640
 whether it's just that one or whatever the reason or reasons that you want to have considered

00:40:40.640 --> 00:40:42.680
 as an excused absence.

00:40:42.680 --> 00:40:47.400
 What I would do then is, you know, it would take not too much time, but it would take

00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:53.600
 a little bit of time for me to go ahead and, you know, place an item on the City Council

00:40:53.600 --> 00:40:57.080
 agenda to we would first discuss it with the agenda committee, obviously, because it needs

00:40:57.080 --> 00:40:58.640
 to go on the agenda.

00:40:58.640 --> 00:41:03.360
 And then we would present it to Council.

00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:08.520
 But it's really it would be important that you as a board, the board as a whole, take

00:41:08.520 --> 00:41:09.520
 that position.

00:41:09.520 --> 00:41:14.480
 Now, you as an individual member, or anybody can certainly communicate with any member

00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:19.760
 of the City Council or even your nominating Council member that they might maybe, you

00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.240
 know, kind of present the option.

00:41:22.240 --> 00:41:28.000
 There's a process for each City Council member to do like a one minute pitch of, you know,

00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:32.160
 a policy change or something that the City Council want that they would like the City

00:41:32.160 --> 00:41:33.560
 Council to consider.

00:41:33.560 --> 00:41:36.560
 So you do have that option as well.

00:41:36.560 --> 00:41:39.960
 You take it upon yourself to talk about the Council, to the Council member and see if

00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:46.280
 maybe they perhaps are interested in kind of serving as, you know, kind of your speaker

00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:47.840
 on that topic.

00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:56.200
 Okay, so we would need to take a vote if we wanted to present that as an option to be

00:41:56.200 --> 00:41:57.520
 added.

00:41:57.520 --> 00:41:59.120
 Yes.

00:41:59.120 --> 00:42:02.760
 If you want it to come from the board, because any direction from the board really needs to

00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:06.160
 be a consensus, and you would want it clearly stated.

00:42:06.160 --> 00:42:10.140
 For example, you could place an item on the agenda, you know, at the next time because

00:42:10.140 --> 00:42:12.680
 right now this is really just for discussion purposes.

00:42:12.680 --> 00:42:17.920
 But if you reach some kind of a consensus, then you could do it as a consensus and, you

00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:21.640
 know, we could also check with a City Attorney in case, you know, we have to do an official

00:42:21.640 --> 00:42:27.320
 resolution or an ordinance from the board, but a lot of times the staff direction that

00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:31.840
 we provide, that we receive is by a consensus of the Council and that's accepted.

00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:41.000
 Okay, I'm sorry for interrupting, we're lucky to have the City Attorney with us today.

00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:42.000
 Okay.

00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:43.000
 Okay.

00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:48.240
 So, do we need to put it to a vote today or do we need to discuss it as a board and then

00:42:48.240 --> 00:42:53.600
 present it to you?

00:42:53.600 --> 00:42:58.400
 I apologize, I don't know if you're actually posted for that today, Gary, can you speak

00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:02.000
 to the posting?

00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:05.560
 You're muted, Gary.

00:43:05.560 --> 00:43:10.320
 The posting says, "Receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff input regarding

00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:15.280
 the amendments to the Code of Ordinances as modified by 1928-66."

00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:23.800
 Okay, so you can give, yes, you could.

00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:29.520
 You could give staff that direction if you chose to do that.

00:43:29.520 --> 00:43:30.520
 Okay.

00:43:30.520 --> 00:43:37.320
 If I could maybe throw an input, maybe, unless there is a timely nature of this rather than

00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:41.600
 us trying to rush a resolution in this meeting, maybe that's one we can bring back for a future

00:43:41.600 --> 00:43:45.880
 meeting, unless there's a reason that we would need to rush it today.

00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:53.920
 Yeah, let's put it on the next agenda.

00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:55.200
 I'm okay with that.

00:43:55.200 --> 00:44:02.560
 So, may I have a motion to table this or actually amend this?

00:44:02.560 --> 00:44:10.360
 Well, we will just add a new agenda item about the absentee provision for our next meeting.

00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:14.000
 May I have a motion for that, please?

00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.760
 So moved.

00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:17.760
 Second.

00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:18.760
 Danona, second.

00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:19.760
 I'm sorry.

00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:27.280
 As a point of order, is that something that really needs a motion to pass to just simply

00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:29.600
 request something for the next meeting?

00:44:29.600 --> 00:44:32.720
 I'm not trying to disrupt the process, but I'm just trying to figure out if that's really

00:44:32.720 --> 00:44:33.720
 actually necessary.

00:44:33.720 --> 00:44:38.520
 Technically, I believe it could be in your information at the end, or that's the input

00:44:38.520 --> 00:44:44.160
 that you're giving as a group to bring another and more formal item back on the agenda next

00:44:44.160 --> 00:44:45.160
 time.

00:44:45.160 --> 00:44:46.160
 Right.

00:44:46.160 --> 00:44:51.560
 So, in our concluding items, we would just say, "Hey, we've had this discussion.

00:44:51.560 --> 00:44:56.680
 Can we next time actually put this to a vote or make it a presentation with the intent

00:44:56.680 --> 00:44:59.160
 to vote on this being changed?"

00:44:59.160 --> 00:45:00.800
 You could do it that way.

00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:01.800
 Okay.

00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:07.640
 Or staff could take this discussion as sufficient input to put it back on the agenda next time.

00:45:07.640 --> 00:45:08.640
 Okay.

00:45:08.640 --> 00:45:11.560
 I think we have a clear vision.

00:45:11.560 --> 00:45:14.840
 As do I.

00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:15.840
 Okay.

00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:16.840
 Okay.

00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:24.040
 For a minute's purposes, what am I doing?

00:45:24.040 --> 00:45:25.040
 Probably withdrawing it.

00:45:25.040 --> 00:45:27.400
 We're going to add it at the end.

00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:28.840
 That sounds good.

00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:29.840
 Okay.

00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:33.000
 Like an additional item for the next meeting.

00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.960
 I mean, that's what we typically do every other meeting, so I think that would work

00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:36.960
 out fine.

00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:40.520
 And for housekeeping, for a minute's purposes, we do have a motion on the table.

00:45:40.520 --> 00:45:44.160
 We might ... Whoever made that motion could potentially withdraw it if they felt they

00:45:44.160 --> 00:45:45.160
 needed to.

00:45:45.160 --> 00:45:46.160
 Yeah.

00:45:46.160 --> 00:45:49.080
 I'll withdraw it until the end of the meeting.

00:45:49.080 --> 00:45:50.080
 Okay.

00:45:50.080 --> 00:45:54.280
 And, Denoni, you want to withdraw your second, I guess?

00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:55.280
 Yes.

00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:56.280
 Done.

00:45:56.280 --> 00:46:00.480
 Do we need to vote on that?

00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.800
 I've never been in this position.

00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:03.800
 Okay.

00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:04.800
 Good.

00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:05.800
 All right.

00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:14.500
 Any additional questions for Rosa while she's here?

00:46:14.500 --> 00:46:15.500
 We have her.

00:46:15.500 --> 00:46:16.500
 Let's pick her brain.

00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:17.500
 Thank you so much for your time.

00:46:17.500 --> 00:46:18.500
 All right.

00:46:18.500 --> 00:46:20.880
 I have just a small question.

00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:24.840
 I noticed that it said that we do contact the city secretary.

00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:29.120
 I guess it didn't mention contacting your own committee as part of that, but I guess

00:46:29.120 --> 00:46:32.960
 it's just assumed that you would be one of several people on an email chain.

00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:33.960
 Is that correct?

00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:38.800
 Yeah, so a city secretary, then we do have a deputy city secretary who acts in my state

00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.040
 in my absence, and then an assistant city secretary.

00:46:41.040 --> 00:46:45.720
 I didn't have that right, I guess, but from a committee standpoint, we would go ahead

00:46:45.720 --> 00:46:49.680
 and put Frances and Gary and whoever else on that as well, right?

00:46:49.680 --> 00:46:50.680
 Yes.

00:46:50.680 --> 00:46:54.600
 It's usually me, Gary, Eddie, and Rosa.

00:46:54.600 --> 00:46:55.600
 Okay.

00:46:55.600 --> 00:46:58.600
 Just making sure.

00:46:58.600 --> 00:47:00.720
 All right.

00:47:00.720 --> 00:47:01.720
 Thank you, Rosa.

00:47:01.720 --> 00:47:02.720
 You're so welcome.

00:47:02.720 --> 00:47:03.720
 Really appreciate it.

00:47:03.720 --> 00:47:04.720
 Thank you so much for your time.

00:47:04.720 --> 00:47:05.720
 You take care.

00:47:05.720 --> 00:47:11.520
 Next agenda item, receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff input regarding

00:47:11.520 --> 00:47:14.560
 safety and security signage in the parks.

00:47:14.560 --> 00:47:24.760
 All right, I'll let Gary pull that up, or do you just want to have a discussion?

00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:27.720
 Yeah, there's no PowerPoint, it's just general discussion.

00:47:27.720 --> 00:47:28.720
 Okay.

00:47:28.720 --> 00:47:32.760
 So this was brought up a few months ago about safety signage in the park, and we did quite

00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:37.440
 a bit of research on what different cities are doing for safety signs, and I did contact

00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:43.560
 our GIS department along with our 911 dispatch department.

00:47:43.560 --> 00:47:53.040
 So good news, our 911 dispatch has the ability to triangulate your location anytime you call

00:47:53.040 --> 00:47:54.480
 them.

00:47:54.480 --> 00:48:00.120
 We also did some research on what it was going to cost to put these different signs up.

00:48:00.120 --> 00:48:04.440
 City of Colleyville just did a project, they installed 36 signs.

00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:10.440
 Based upon those 36 signs, it cost them $1,000 a sign, and it took a year and a half to completely

00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:17.400
 put the signs in, GIS locate every single one of the locations, and put the QR codes

00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:23.200
 on the signs so where you could scan that sign and be able to tell 911 dispatch exactly

00:48:23.200 --> 00:48:24.400
 where you are.

00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:28.560
 The city of Denton, like I said, does have that capability to triangulate your location,

00:48:28.560 --> 00:48:36.360
 and that really gets you within a 3-meter radius, which is 9 feet, and 99% of the time

00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:39.680
 they can find you if they can get within 9, 10 feet from you.

00:48:39.680 --> 00:48:45.000
 So we kind of wanted to give some discussion with this board to really see where we wanted

00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:46.380
 to move with that.

00:48:46.380 --> 00:48:48.840
 We did talk about signs in our trails plan.

00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:55.340
 We do have a plan as these trails are constructed, and especially with Clear Creek, really updating

00:48:55.340 --> 00:48:57.680
 those signs at cross-sections.

00:48:57.680 --> 00:49:04.240
 So if you've been to Clear Creek, if you're on Fisherman's Trail, and you come to the

00:49:04.240 --> 00:49:08.800
 Prairie Trail, you'll have a sign to let you know you are here.

00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:13.240
 So the majority of the time we have issues or there were issues in the past that we talked

00:49:13.240 --> 00:49:18.960
 to sustainability with anyone getting lost in Clear Creek is they went around the trail's

00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:22.800
 closed signs, or they left a marked trail.

00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:27.960
 So they left a trail that is barely marked.

00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:32.280
 There's crushed granite there, or you can really tell where the trail is, whether it's

00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:36.840
 dirt or crushed granite or rock or anything that's out there at Clear Creek.

00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:41.720
 And if you leave that trail, then you wander off in the woods, which you're highly discouraged

00:49:41.720 --> 00:49:45.520
 if you go and especially if you read the signs when you first enter Clear Creek, please stay

00:49:45.520 --> 00:49:46.840
 on the trails.

00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.620
 That's for everyone's protection, not only like we spoke about a minute ago, environmentally,

00:49:51.620 --> 00:49:55.480
 but it's also for your protection for using those trails.

00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:59.200
 So I'll leave it up to the discussion on kind of where we want to go with these just based

00:49:59.200 --> 00:50:03.280
 upon that information that I just gave you, because I mean, we do have safety signage

00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:08.880
 that we do want to install as these trails are built and of course update the trail signs

00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:14.680
 that we already have for those locations or you are here where it shows you exactly where

00:50:14.680 --> 00:50:21.400
 you are on those points.

00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:23.640
 Are we open for questions?

00:50:23.640 --> 00:50:34.000
 So I mean, I think what I'm hearing is sort of an implied sort of a leaning that the value

00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:37.560
 might not totally be there for the signs, since we have other ways to triangulate the

00:50:37.560 --> 00:50:38.560
 people.

00:50:38.560 --> 00:50:44.060
 I mean, you mentioned the time it took to install and the fact that it would be $36,000

00:50:44.060 --> 00:50:49.360
 and I'm not exactly sure that I heard what that would net us if we already can do.

00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:53.960
 I mean, if the point of the signs is we can tell people, hey, I'm at sign A and they have

00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:58.640
 a record of where sign A is and they already have the ability to triangulate someone, it

00:50:58.640 --> 00:51:01.800
 doesn't sound like there's a lot of value in having a sign.

00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:02.800
 Is that?

00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:03.800
 Yes, sir.

00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:04.800
 That's why I wanted to bring that up.

00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:08.160
 Okay, I just want to make sure I was understanding your point and I agree.

00:51:08.160 --> 00:51:19.840
 I don't see a lot of value unless I just don't.

00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:20.840
 Yes, Brooke.

00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:27.000
 I was just going to say, I think the only value that they provide is kind of a false

00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:32.560
 sense of security, maybe that, you know, that you have somebody that's in action or maybe

00:51:32.560 --> 00:51:36.940
 they understand that they can call and be triangulated.

00:51:36.940 --> 00:51:43.960
 So I think if you go and make a big effort on the education piece of, hey, out here,

00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:45.280
 you can actually call 911.

00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:53.120
 They can find you and take away the fear that maybe is associated with that.

00:51:53.120 --> 00:51:58.040
 And maybe that's something that would be appropriate for a larger sign at an entrance or a trailhead,

00:51:58.040 --> 00:52:01.560
 you know.

00:52:01.560 --> 00:52:08.080
 So I'm the person who asked for just some information about safety in the park.

00:52:08.080 --> 00:52:15.800
 And like, so those signs don't really address kind of like what I was asking Brooke's idea

00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:21.800
 of like having a sign that just says like, this is what you do if you lose your child

00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:22.800
 near water.

00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:29.080
 This is who you should call or I don't know, like the reason I brought it up is I was in

00:52:29.080 --> 00:52:33.640
 a situation where I could not find a child and there's like three trails and all these

00:52:33.640 --> 00:52:36.880
 bodies of water and I didn't know what to do.

00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:41.320
 In my situation, it turned out fine, but I go to parks all the time and I've never thought

00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:45.560
 about it before until I was in that moment of panic.

00:52:45.560 --> 00:52:53.500
 And so I guess that's what I was, that was my original question is how are we going to

00:52:53.500 --> 00:53:01.760
 let parents know or anybody know who goes out there, like what to do in case of an emergency.

00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:06.120
 And what if they don't have a phone or their phone is dead, the battery doesn't work or

00:53:06.120 --> 00:53:07.120
 they lost their phone.

00:53:07.120 --> 00:53:08.120
 I don't know.

00:53:08.120 --> 00:53:09.120
 There could be a million things.

00:53:09.120 --> 00:53:12.560
 Those are the kind of questions I have of concern.

00:53:12.560 --> 00:53:13.560
 Okay.

00:53:13.560 --> 00:53:17.840
 And I think we talked about that a little bit with our master plan and with call boxes

00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:22.000
 of hopefully updating, you know, our parks whenever we finish our master plan.

00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:26.400
 And of course all the funding is identified as maybe we, you know, install call boxes

00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:27.800
 in different parks.

00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:31.760
 And obviously anytime there's an emergency or something like that, that happens.

00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:35.520
 The best thing to do would be to call 911.

00:53:35.520 --> 00:53:39.480
 So you know, of course we get, you know, through our process, we could update those signs and

00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:43.200
 obviously look into different types of call boxes for parks.

00:53:43.200 --> 00:53:48.400
 I kept thinking that the answer to most of those questions that she was bringing as theoretical

00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:53.160
 questions were call 911, call 911, call 911 until she got to the point of what if you

00:53:53.160 --> 00:53:54.160
 don't have a phone.

00:53:54.160 --> 00:53:59.960
 So I mean, it could be a little bit redundant if the answer was always call 911, but that

00:53:59.960 --> 00:54:03.880
 was a good point if they don't have phones, you know, what's the best point of action

00:54:03.880 --> 00:54:04.880
 too.

00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:08.720
 Or like maybe you don't need to call 911 or they wouldn't be there fast enough.

00:54:08.720 --> 00:54:11.520
 Like how do you know it's trail to go down?

00:54:11.520 --> 00:54:19.320
 Like what's the, what's the best practice of like finding someone on a trail system?

00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:21.400
 Like just some tips, maybe I don't know.

00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:22.400
 Okay.

00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:23.400
 I don't have the answer.

00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:24.400
 I have no idea.

00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:26.280
 I've thought about it.

00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:29.560
 That's why I asked you guys, y'all are professionals.

00:54:29.560 --> 00:54:31.000
 I have no idea.

00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:33.560
 Those are really good concerns, Elana.

00:54:33.560 --> 00:54:36.280
 So James, I saw you had your hands up.

00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:37.280
 I'm sorry, Gary.

00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:45.080
 I was just, I was just say at the crossroads, I just put not call 911 for emergencies.

00:54:45.080 --> 00:54:47.240
 That's going to take care of 90% of the issues.

00:54:47.240 --> 00:54:48.240
 Okay.

00:54:48.240 --> 00:54:51.680
 For the other, the other 10%, put, put spot on your kid.

00:54:51.680 --> 00:54:52.680
 That's a little advice.

00:54:52.680 --> 00:54:57.840
 You can test your kid and it will follow the satellite will follow wherever your kid goes.

00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.560
 So, and you can find them within a one meter radius.

00:55:01.560 --> 00:55:02.560
 Okay.

00:55:02.560 --> 00:55:07.320
 Is there a cost involved with that?

00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:08.320
 Yes.

00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:09.320
 Yeah.

00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:10.320
 No, it's a little spot.

00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:11.320
 They're called spots.

00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:12.320
 A little.

00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:13.320
 Yeah.

00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:14.320
 I don't think that's probably going to be.

00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:19.840
 And the other way to do it cheaply is, is they have we're on an Apple, at least an Apple,

00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:21.280
 you can go in and change it.

00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:28.400
 So it has it, if they have a cell phone with them, you can find them with your cell phone.

00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:32.760
 I forgot the name of the application, but there's a bunch of them out there now.

00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:33.760
 Yeah.

00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:35.800
 But like two year olds, they don't have cell phones.

00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:41.280
 And I would say the time when you lose your kid is the time that your phone has died and

00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:42.280
 like everything.

00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:47.320
 I mean, those are the times I feel I have been there, I feel you on that one.

00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:49.080
 And it's the time you don't have the phone.

00:55:49.080 --> 00:55:54.280
 And so I love the idea of like trail tips or something that, because people go out to

00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:56.680
 these places and they think they know what they're doing.

00:55:56.680 --> 00:55:57.680
 I've done it.

00:55:57.680 --> 00:56:02.280
 So I'm the first to admit, be like, I'm outdoorsy and then I go out and I do something stupid.

00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:08.120
 And so it would be nice as Texans to have like some tips for the weekend warrior.

00:56:08.120 --> 00:56:11.720
 When that happens, you know what to do.

00:56:11.720 --> 00:56:16.880
 And we have something at Parks Foundation, you could just use in marketing and stuff.

00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:22.240
 I mean, I don't, that might be the best way to get the, yeah.

00:56:22.240 --> 00:56:26.960
 And Drew, you mentioned call boxes, call boxes, you said in certain parks, will they be in

00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:29.180
 all parks?

00:56:29.180 --> 00:56:34.720
 Of course we would look at that as all parks that was in, I meant certain sections of the

00:56:34.720 --> 00:56:35.720
 park.

00:56:35.720 --> 00:56:39.160
 Cause obviously something as big as South lakes, you would be, you know, four to five

00:56:39.160 --> 00:56:44.080
 of those, depending on whether you're at the playground, you know, the South pond, the

00:56:44.080 --> 00:56:47.760
 North pond, the football field, the Northern, yeah.

00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:48.760
 And so on and so forth.

00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:49.760
 So yes.

00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:50.760
 Okay.

00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:51.760
 Thank you for clarifying that.

00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:53.440
 Yes.

00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:57.640
 What other questions, concerns?

00:56:57.640 --> 00:56:58.640
 Just to comment.

00:56:58.640 --> 00:57:06.080
 I found the spot that I think James was talking about there on Amazon, they're $120.

00:57:06.080 --> 00:57:13.760
 But obviously as technology changes, you know, I'm sure there'll be something that you can,

00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:18.080
 you can put on your kid's belt or a watch or something like that, that down the road,

00:57:18.080 --> 00:57:19.280
 you'll be able to track them.

00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:23.320
 Cause I've been in that same situation where I turn your head for one second at a Rangers

00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:28.920
 game and Carson's, you know, tearing down the, down the, the sidewalk or down the steps

00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:29.920
 or whatever.

00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:32.520
 Um, so I, I know exactly what you're talking about.

00:57:32.520 --> 00:57:33.520
 Yeah.

00:57:33.520 --> 00:57:36.080
 We lost one out of eight and Pike's peak one time.

00:57:36.080 --> 00:57:40.440
 So I can relate out of eight kids, just takes one.

00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:44.080
 And one time we went in van and I had five kids with him and I counted them all getting

00:57:44.080 --> 00:57:47.200
 in the van and we got to the destination.

00:57:47.200 --> 00:57:51.000
 As the kids go off the van, I recognize one of the kids as being one of my neighbor's

00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:52.000
 kids.

00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:53.000
 It wasn't my kid.

00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:59.380
 You know, it's always a, you know, I know that panicky feeling understand.

00:57:59.380 --> 00:58:05.360
 So I think the, the immediate takeaway would be when we're looking at our master plan to

00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:11.360
 look at call boxes, maybe around critical points, um, whether it's a body of water or

00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:16.280
 even a, uh, a dark area in the Parker or, you know, whatever it would be, we can look

00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:23.060
 at those locations and see what those costs are, um, and, and prioritize those, uh, you

00:58:23.060 --> 00:58:27.880
 know, around bodies of water seems to make the most sense, uh, as a, as a high pressure

00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:29.560
 point for sure.

00:58:29.560 --> 00:58:33.880
 Um, and kind of start, start from that point.

00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:37.160
 Well, thank you, Gary.

00:58:37.160 --> 00:58:40.480
 Any other concerns, questions?

00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:43.280
 All right.

00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:44.720
 That is not an action item.

00:58:44.720 --> 00:58:46.400
 It's an informative item.

00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:51.520
 The next agenda item, receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff input regarding

00:58:51.520 --> 00:58:57.040
 the assessment and use of parkland dedication and park development fees.

00:58:57.040 --> 00:59:00.640
 Hello everyone.

00:59:00.640 --> 00:59:07.440
 It's been a while since we last talked about this item, um, and we actually were making

00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:13.400
 really good progress on it up until about March and then took a pause.

00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:18.520
 So we have jumpstarted this project and I want to start by giving just a little bit

00:59:18.520 --> 00:59:25.000
 of background, a little bit of review if we can hit the next slide.

00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:32.560
 So parkland dedication, also known as 915 and park development known as 916 are funds

00:59:32.560 --> 00:59:41.800
 that developers pay into or dedicate land, um, through for new residential developments.

00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:47.020
 And that's how, um, we actually, it's just another revenue source for us and being able

00:59:47.020 --> 00:59:53.880
 to keep up with new development and expand our parks and purchase a new land or even

00:59:53.880 --> 01:00:01.200
 update existing, uh, parks due to, uh, usage from new developments.

01:00:01.200 --> 01:00:06.560
 So the current ordinance that we have right now was adopted in 1998 and has not been touched

01:00:06.560 --> 01:00:07.560
 since.

01:00:07.560 --> 01:00:15.480
 Uh, the land requirement is currently 2.5 acres for, uh, 1,000 or per 1,000 population

01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:17.000
 of a new development.

01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:20.080
 Uh, there's a number of dwelling units.

01:00:20.080 --> 01:00:26.880
 They're also a part of the factor and the, uh, the actual dedication is based on single

01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:33.240
 family or multifamily, uh, factors per dwelling unit.

01:00:33.240 --> 01:00:41.440
 You can also pay a fee in lieu of land requirements, so if for whatever reason the, um, developer

01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:47.440
 cannot or does not want to give land, they can pay a fee in lieu of that and it's based

01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:49.800
 on the individual property value.

01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:55.960
 So every single development or every single project would have its own fee based on that

01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:58.440
 specific development.

01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:06.120
 On the park development side, uh, the factors are currently based on a five acre park costing

01:01:06.120 --> 01:01:08.980
 $208,000 to develop.

01:01:08.980 --> 01:01:15.040
 Of course we know that that is very low, uh, and has not been updated since then and it

01:01:15.040 --> 01:01:21.520
 sets a fee for single family and multifamily, uh, developments as well.

01:01:21.520 --> 01:01:27.120
 Both of these have a parameter for use of a half a mile to a one mile radius.

01:01:27.120 --> 01:01:31.600
 We've talked a little bit about the challenges that this, um, can pose for us.

01:01:31.600 --> 01:01:34.680
 Uh, number one, tracking is very difficult.

01:01:34.680 --> 01:01:40.940
 The administrative side of that, uh, in being able to keep record of who's paying into what

01:01:40.940 --> 01:01:47.080
 development and then mapping that half mile to one mile radius is difficult.

01:01:47.080 --> 01:01:53.920
 And then the other piece is that it's creating, um, kind of dead zones in our city.

01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:59.520
 We've got areas that have seen little to no residential development and so they don't

01:01:59.520 --> 01:02:06.280
 have access to that same kind of fund, uh, or special revenue as others do.

01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:13.200
 And so instead of this money being driven by need, it's being driven by location.

01:02:13.200 --> 01:02:17.680
 Where do we have money and how can we spend it within that half mile or mile radius, even

01:02:17.680 --> 01:02:21.240
 though it may not really have a need for it.

01:02:21.240 --> 01:02:26.840
 So under the proposed, uh, draft ordinance that, um, you have, we've updated several

01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:27.840
 factors.

01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:31.880
 Uh, number one, we've updated our demographics and the development costs specifically.

01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:38.400
 And so again, we know now that the cost for developing our parks is much higher than $2,008

01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:40.600
 for a five acre part.

01:02:40.600 --> 01:02:44.800
 And so that we don't get behind in the future, we've built in a three year review.

01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:49.800
 So every three years we would go back and we would re review the demographics that the

01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:55.060
 ordinance is based on and make those updates to it.

01:02:55.060 --> 01:02:57.400
 This ordinance also establishes zones.

01:02:57.400 --> 01:03:03.280
 So rather than having to spend the money within a perimeter or a certain radius, we've broken

01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:06.240
 the city up into five different zones.

01:03:06.240 --> 01:03:10.040
 And we'll be talking a little bit more about that and I'll show you, um, a map of that

01:03:10.040 --> 01:03:15.920
 on the next slide in a minute, uh, so that any, uh, development within that zone, any

01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:21.280
 residential development within that zone that pays into, uh, that zone, the money could

01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:24.200
 be used within that zone.

01:03:24.200 --> 01:03:29.000
 We also established a level of service, which is very important for the legal requirements

01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:30.540
 that we have to meet.

01:03:30.540 --> 01:03:35.440
 And I'll get into detail on the next couple of slides in that the proposed ordinance also

01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:37.480
 sets fees for each zone.

01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:43.240
 So it's no longer dependent on the individual development will actually have set fees and

01:03:43.240 --> 01:03:47.960
 the developer will know if they're building in a certain zone, they'll know what that

01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:52.240
 be in lieu of is, uh, they'll know what the land requirement is.

01:03:52.240 --> 01:03:56.720
 And they'll also know what the park development fee is.

01:03:56.720 --> 01:04:04.000
 And this entire draft ordinance that you have was actually based on a collaboration between

01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:11.000
 our department and Dr. John Crompton, uh, we've also, Dr. John Crompton is with the

01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:17.280
 Texas A and M university and has extensive background in this area and is within the

01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:24.200
 park industry, um, known as kind of the Godfather of this particular, um, topic.

01:04:24.200 --> 01:04:30.800
 Uh, we've also made several presentations to a larger developments group, uh, our development

01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:37.400
 services department originally was holding monthly meetings, um, town hall meetings with

01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:44.000
 developers and so we've presented to them and from that group, we established a smaller

01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:51.560
 focus group of developers and we have about, uh, anywhere from 10 to 12, uh, representatives

01:04:51.560 --> 01:04:58.160
 from eight different development groups that have been, uh, going through the old ordinance

01:04:58.160 --> 01:05:03.000
 with us and helping us draft the new proposed ordinance.

01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:07.280
 And, uh, we've, we've got, uh, that's been a really great process to work through with

01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:09.640
 them.

01:05:09.640 --> 01:05:13.640
 Next slide.

01:05:13.640 --> 01:05:21.400
 So for the legal background, there are two Supreme court cases that are specific to park

01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:24.280
 dedication and park development.

01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:31.720
 The first one, uh, establishes a nexus principle that essentially says anything that is paid

01:05:31.720 --> 01:05:37.560
 into either one of these funds has to be tied to the new residential development that's

01:05:37.560 --> 01:05:39.280
 paying into it.

01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:45.360
 So it's, it's got to be located within proximity to the new development and that's really the

01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:52.360
 only guidelines that were given and again, the funds deposited within each zone or area

01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:59.680
 had to be expended within that same zone or area and that again goes to the proximity.

01:05:59.680 --> 01:06:06.240
 The next Supreme court case actually took it a step further and they established a rough

01:06:06.240 --> 01:06:12.760
 proportionality test and they said that there has to be a connection between the imposed

01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:21.080
 requirements of the development and the park use that we are projecting or will result

01:06:21.080 --> 01:06:23.880
 because of that new development.

01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:30.600
 Uh, because this is much more specific and says we have to have this specific connection,

01:06:30.600 --> 01:06:33.440
 we have to take an individual approach.

01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:39.320
 So we can't benchmark, for example, we can't say what are the, you know, cities around

01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:42.280
 us doing us, what do they charge?

01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:47.880
 And then come up with a fee schedule based on those comparative cities.

01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:55.920
 We have to have an individual approach that shows how that development is impacting our

01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:57.760
 city.

01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:03.640
 It also assumes that new residents will require the same level of service as the existing

01:07:03.640 --> 01:07:04.640
 residents.

01:07:04.640 --> 01:07:11.520
 And to meet all of these requirements under this new rough rough proportionality test,

01:07:11.520 --> 01:07:14.000
 we have to determine a level of service.

01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:17.340
 So we have to know what's on the ground today.

01:07:17.340 --> 01:07:19.400
 What is that level of service?

01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:24.480
 How do we provide that to the new residents coming in?

01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:29.080
 And that gives us our individual approach.

01:07:29.080 --> 01:07:31.640
 Next slide.

01:07:31.640 --> 01:07:33.920
 So how do we determine a level of service?

01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:39.840
 Well, what we did is we started with a road impact, uh, fee map.

01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:45.360
 It already had the city broken out into zones, but as we started to look at it, there were

01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:48.580
 some inequities within each zone.

01:07:48.580 --> 01:07:56.240
 So we modified it just a bit and we took several other factors into consideration.

01:07:56.240 --> 01:08:00.000
 We also looked at identified needs.

01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:05.120
 Where do we currently have projected growth?

01:08:05.120 --> 01:08:11.760
 We took maps from our development services group and imported them kind of a layer in

01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:17.100
 our GIS map to see where new development was going to be coming in.

01:08:17.100 --> 01:08:24.600
 For instance, um, E zone E is where ropes and ranch is located.

01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:29.480
 And that's about the only residential development in that entire zone.

01:08:29.480 --> 01:08:36.520
 And while on the surface it looks, you know, it sways the other zones.

01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:41.800
 We do know that there's going to be major development coming within that zone in the

01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:49.120
 next five years that will balance it out or make it more equal to the other zones.

01:08:49.120 --> 01:08:54.320
 So we looked at all of those and in those, um, calculation factors, we looked at the

01:08:54.320 --> 01:08:57.440
 population within each service area.

01:08:57.440 --> 01:09:03.560
 We looked at the existing acres of park in each service area or park land.

01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:09.920
 We took the average price per, actually, this is, sorry, this still says acre, but we actually

01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:15.260
 took the average price per parcel in each service area.

01:09:15.260 --> 01:09:22.940
 So we looked at all of the residential parcels within DCAD and took those values and came

01:09:22.940 --> 01:09:25.600
 up with an average for each zone.

01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:31.880
 And then we updated our cost to develop a park and we based it off two recent projects

01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:38.080
 to come up with that for our development fee.

01:09:38.080 --> 01:09:43.800
 So once we map that, we'll use zone A as an example.

01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:50.640
 We have a population of 35,000 people, almost 36,000.

01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:58.800
 Within zone A, we have 117, just under 118 park acres.

01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:11.360
 We have 5,700 residential parcels within that zone for a total land value of about $437

01:10:11.360 --> 01:10:14.580
 million.

01:10:14.580 --> 01:10:21.680
 We took those factors and we were able to come up with our service level, which is,

01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:32.480
 if you can look at the map, 108 dwelling units per park acres.

01:10:32.480 --> 01:10:45.800
 So we have 108 residents or residential parcels for every park acre in that zone.

01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:56.120
 We took that calculation across to the other zones.

01:10:56.120 --> 01:11:06.840
 So from that calculation, now we have an established land dedication fee in lieu of and also land

01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:10.880
 requirement.

01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:19.540
 So a developer coming in would have to give us one acre for every 108 dwelling units built

01:11:19.540 --> 01:11:28.080
 within that development or pay $698 per dwelling unit.

01:11:28.080 --> 01:11:33.320
 We take that across each zone, again, based on that service level.

01:11:33.320 --> 01:11:45.440
 So B is one park acre for every 139 developments and so forth.

01:11:45.440 --> 01:11:53.680
 So if we take a 300 dwelling unit development, we did a little comparison under the current

01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:59.200
 calculations, what that would look like, and under the proposed calculations, what that

01:11:59.200 --> 01:12:01.160
 would look like.

01:12:01.160 --> 01:12:07.280
 And remember, under the current calculations, we have to look at each individual parcel.

01:12:07.280 --> 01:12:13.960
 This is a couple of years old, but this was the Selwyn Platte, essentially.

01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:20.280
 It has three different parcels related to that development or that proposed development

01:12:20.280 --> 01:12:21.720
 at the time.

01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:29.920
 So we took the acres of land there, the value, a DCAD value for each individual parcel, and

01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:35.240
 then we do a per acre value under the current ordinance.

01:12:35.240 --> 01:12:40.880
 We worked the calculation on that, and we have a park dedication of 2.1 acres, and then

01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:45.480
 we have a fee in lieu of $99,000.

01:12:45.480 --> 01:12:51.640
 Under the current proposal, looking at those values for zone A that we've now set based

01:12:51.640 --> 01:13:02.040
 on a service level, we would have a park dedication of 2.76 acres and a fee in lieu of $2009,000.

01:13:02.040 --> 01:13:06.040
 I'm sorry, $209,000.

01:13:06.040 --> 01:13:17.000
 Ooh, somebody was about to get a good deal there, huh?

01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:21.280
 Taking the same concept over to park development fee.

01:13:21.280 --> 01:13:26.680
 The current calculation, $208,000 for a five acre park.

01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:34.600
 It has a set fee of $291 for a single family dwelling unit and a set fee of $187 for a

01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:39.080
 multifamily dwelling unit.

01:13:39.080 --> 01:13:46.800
 These factors were based on a HUD calculation that at one time set the number of people

01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:53.960
 per dwelling unit for a single family residential home and a multifamily residential home.

01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:55.680
 They no longer do that.

01:13:55.680 --> 01:14:03.440
 They just now have one factor, which is 2.8, 2.8 people per household.

01:14:03.440 --> 01:14:08.400
 They no longer distinguish between single family and multifamily.

01:14:08.400 --> 01:14:10.200
 That's the current calculation.

01:14:10.200 --> 01:14:16.400
 Under the proposed calculation, again, we have updated those costs for a four acre park.

01:14:16.400 --> 01:14:22.320
 We're looking at approximately $1.3 million to develop it.

01:14:22.320 --> 01:14:30.360
 For a community park of 12.5 acres, about $5 million to develop.

01:14:30.360 --> 01:14:36.820
 Just out of due diligence, we took some of the same bids and cost factors that we were

01:14:36.820 --> 01:14:43.600
 using for the neighborhood and community parks and estimated what a 50 acre city park would

01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:48.040
 look like and that's just under $8 million.

01:14:48.040 --> 01:14:52.440
 The other reason why we wanted to include city park is under the new ordinance, we are

01:14:52.440 --> 01:15:00.520
 proposing that we take 10% of any fee that's paid and put it towards a city park.

01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:06.360
 Right now under the current ordinance, we can only use any fees that are paid into the

01:15:06.360 --> 01:15:09.720
 programs for neighborhood parks.

01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:16.120
 But we know that residents, even new development, will eventually use our city parks, so there's

01:15:16.120 --> 01:15:20.000
 an impact to usage on the city parks as well.

01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:25.120
 One of the challenges with the current ordinance is that you may live across the street from

01:15:25.120 --> 01:15:31.320
 a parcel that's a community park or a city park just because it's more than 20 acres

01:15:31.320 --> 01:15:41.040
 and a neighborhood park is classified as between 5 and 20 acres.

01:15:41.040 --> 01:15:47.880
 Just because the property across the street from you is 25 acres, we can't use the money

01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:52.920
 from the development that you're building your house in towards that park, it has to

01:15:52.920 --> 01:15:54.840
 be used in another location.

01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:59.240
 I don't think that was the intention of how that was written, but it's an outcome and

01:15:59.240 --> 01:16:04.760
 it's a challenge because to you as a resident, that property across the street, which may

01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:09.440
 be North Lakes, is your neighborhood park because it's right across the street.

01:16:09.440 --> 01:16:13.280
 You may have to go a mile away to go to what you would classify as a neighborhood park

01:16:13.280 --> 01:16:17.840
 where that money would be invested, so that's a little bit of a challenge right now in how

01:16:17.840 --> 01:16:20.080
 that ordinance is written.

01:16:20.080 --> 01:16:24.280
 So just a little bit of background.

01:16:24.280 --> 01:16:31.200
 So based on the neighborhood and community park costs, we have an average now of $355,000

01:16:31.200 --> 01:16:34.720
 per acre.

01:16:34.720 --> 01:16:41.360
 So again, big difference, big update between the current cost to develop a park and the

01:16:41.360 --> 01:16:44.480
 cost of the current ordinance.

01:16:44.480 --> 01:16:47.600
 Next slide.

01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:56.000
 So we've established a fee within each zone, again, we have $3,269 per dwelling unit in

01:16:56.000 --> 01:17:02.280
 zone A, and then you can see the cost for the zones going out.

01:17:02.280 --> 01:17:07.960
 You'll notice immediately, well, number one, there's a huge jump in that cost, right?

01:17:07.960 --> 01:17:13.680
 We're going from a low of $197 for multifamily residential, which we wouldn't have anymore,

01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:24.600
 but still roughly $300 now to a low of $3,000 almost, or I'm sorry, $2,929.

01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:30.320
 But across even these zones, you'll see a big swing from that low under zone B to a

01:17:30.320 --> 01:17:36.080
 high under zone D of $6,243.

01:17:36.080 --> 01:17:41.440
 So the contributing factors to those, again, are the differences in population, the differences

01:17:41.440 --> 01:17:47.680
 in the number of park acres within each zone, and then a major difference is the land value

01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:50.040
 within each zone.

01:17:50.040 --> 01:17:52.960
 Next slide.

01:17:52.960 --> 01:18:00.280
 Again, another scenario on a $300 dwelling unit development.

01:18:00.280 --> 01:18:05.720
 Under the current ordinance, we would have those two separate fees, and the cost based

01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:16.080
 on the number of dwelling units, $300, would be $87,000 for single family, $56,000 for

01:18:16.080 --> 01:18:17.960
 multifamily.

01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:23.920
 Under the proposed ordinance, you see how those significantly increase.

01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:26.880
 Excuse me.

01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:35.480
 So for zone A, at that proposed fee, we would have a development fee of just under, well,

01:18:35.480 --> 01:18:42.880
 $980,000 for 300 units.

01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:50.280
 The bottom table will show you what that collective cost is if a developer was going to pay the

01:18:50.280 --> 01:18:57.480
 fee in lieu of plus their park development fee, what those two costs together would be

01:18:57.480 --> 01:19:01.840
 per dwelling unit.

01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:05.840
 Next slide.

01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:07.760
 So we have a couple of options.

01:19:07.760 --> 01:19:12.640
 Obviously, this was a sticker shock for all of us.

01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:15.360
 We knew there was going to be an increase.

01:19:15.360 --> 01:19:17.000
 How much of an increase?

01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:21.360
 Really, we didn't know until we started working those numbers.

01:19:21.360 --> 01:19:30.140
 So for the developers group who just experienced, frankly, increases in other development fees,

01:19:30.140 --> 01:19:33.380
 this was a major concern for them.

01:19:33.380 --> 01:19:41.000
 So we started looking at other ways, other methods or options that we would have in assessing

01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:42.680
 these fees.

01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:51.800
 And again, if our foundation, our level of service is in place, then we can work with

01:19:51.800 --> 01:19:55.260
 the numbers from that point forward.

01:19:55.260 --> 01:20:03.080
 And what I mean by that is that we could take that established fee and do an average of

01:20:03.080 --> 01:20:04.080
 it.

01:20:04.080 --> 01:20:06.840
 We could do a percentage of it.

01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:08.320
 We can phase it in.

01:20:08.320 --> 01:20:17.240
 There are a number of ways that we could work with those factors, those fee, the established

01:20:17.240 --> 01:20:22.960
 fees, if we maintain the basis of level of service.

01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:27.080
 If that's our baseline.

01:20:27.080 --> 01:20:34.800
 So one of the, I guess, options that we have that was discussed and was actually proposed

01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:44.560
 by one of the developers is averaging out the costs or the factors that get us to our

01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:45.560
 costs.

01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:50.920
 And what this would do is balance out those ranges.

01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:58.400
 And there's a combination of increasing them in some zones and decreasing them in others.

01:20:58.400 --> 01:21:09.680
 But if we average our factors for park dedication, we go from a proposed fee in zone A from $698

01:21:09.680 --> 01:21:12.480
 to 392.

01:21:12.480 --> 01:21:16.720
 And we wanted to assess what our cost recovery is.

01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:23.720
 Assuming that the proposed numbers are 100% cost recovery because we haven't modified

01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:30.800
 those and they're based on those original factors, if we average, let's say, the population,

01:21:30.800 --> 01:21:38.440
 if we average the cost of the residential homes and we come up with this new average

01:21:38.440 --> 01:21:43.120
 number, what now does that do to our cost recovery?

01:21:43.120 --> 01:21:51.320
 So we have a low of a cost recovery of 48% in zone E to a high of 82% in zone B for those

01:21:51.320 --> 01:21:52.320
 averages.

01:21:52.320 --> 01:22:02.120
 But you can also see that it's really evened out those fee factors within each zone.

01:22:02.120 --> 01:22:10.520
 So now we have a high of 628 and a low of 306, which is a range of about $300.

01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:18.320
 Originally, we had a range that was closer to about $700.

01:22:18.320 --> 01:22:22.740
 On the development side, we did the same thing.

01:22:22.740 --> 01:22:25.000
 We have the proposed fee.

01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:30.400
 We looked to see what that fee would be at 60%.

01:22:30.400 --> 01:22:33.120
 You can see those factors there.

01:22:33.120 --> 01:22:41.200
 We also averaged that established a flat fee of $3,484.

01:22:41.200 --> 01:22:48.640
 You see the cost recoveries for some zones were over 100% because it went over what the

01:22:48.640 --> 01:22:56.000
 proposed fee using the original factors would be and then in other areas it went below 100%.

01:22:56.000 --> 01:23:00.960
 And then we took that average at 60%.

01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:07.240
 The reason why we started looking at a 60% fee is because the city of Fort Worth charges

01:23:07.240 --> 01:23:17.240
 60% of their baseline and with the intent of increasing it, it's a phased in approach.

01:23:17.240 --> 01:23:22.680
 If we did something like that and we started at 60%, we would actually have two review

01:23:22.680 --> 01:23:31.320
 periods before we got to that 100% and it would take six years to fully implement or

01:23:31.320 --> 01:23:40.560
 realize 100% cost recovery, but it worked nicely just with the three-year review process.

01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:44.680
 Again, this could be 20%.

01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:55.960
 It could be 80% as long as the baseline is there.

01:23:55.960 --> 01:24:01.420
 So our options moving forward and that we've been discussing with the smaller developers

01:24:01.420 --> 01:24:07.000
 focus group is the full cost recovery, which we've outlined.

01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:09.320
 That's the actual proposed document.

01:24:09.320 --> 01:24:15.840
 We have our averaging option, which reduces fees overall.

01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:23.160
 It closes the range of fees between zones for the fee in lieu of, and it produces a

01:24:23.160 --> 01:24:26.440
 flat fee for the dedication.

01:24:26.440 --> 01:24:30.600
 It also provides some equity between each zone.

01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:33.880
 We can do a combination of the two.

01:24:33.880 --> 01:24:41.200
 We can use the original dedication fee in lieu of and combine it with the averaging

01:24:41.200 --> 01:24:46.500
 option of the park development fee.

01:24:46.500 --> 01:24:49.440
 We also have the option to do a phased implementation.

01:24:49.440 --> 01:24:55.400
 Again, if we began at 60%, we increase it by 10% each year.

01:24:55.400 --> 01:25:06.920
 We reach 100% at year six of implementation and we'll have two good reviews of those factors

01:25:06.920 --> 01:25:08.080
 in between.

01:25:08.080 --> 01:25:14.740
 So they'll be updated throughout this process.

01:25:14.740 --> 01:25:23.120
 I can tell you, Gary, if you want to go back to those proposed fee, this one, yes.

01:25:23.120 --> 01:25:31.840
 The developers really like the averaging option at 60%.

01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:41.000
 The sweet spot for them is 2000 to 2500 for fees.

01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:49.120
 And so if you take that averaging at 60% option for park development and you add the average

01:25:49.120 --> 01:26:00.400
 option for park dedication, you hit that spot, you hit that target.

01:26:00.400 --> 01:26:02.600
 And that's really where we are today.

01:26:02.600 --> 01:26:06.840
 We met with the developer group last Friday.

01:26:06.840 --> 01:26:13.160
 The purpose of the meeting was really just to catch up with them, review the proposed

01:26:13.160 --> 01:26:14.640
 ordinance.

01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:21.000
 We're also working on a handbook that's a supplemental manual that has the specifications

01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:23.380
 for park development.

01:26:23.380 --> 01:26:28.880
 So if a developer wants to come in and develop the park themselves, we have very specific

01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:38.240
 requirements for that park development that fall in line with our long-term master plan.

01:26:38.240 --> 01:26:48.280
 You can't ask them to develop a park per the new master plan or the proposed master plan

01:26:48.280 --> 01:26:53.120
 because that's not the level of service that's on the ground today.

01:26:53.120 --> 01:26:58.700
 It has to be comparable to what you see in today's parks.

01:26:58.700 --> 01:27:10.120
 But we can still impose specific requirements to help get us to those new kind of benchmarks

01:27:10.120 --> 01:27:14.600
 that we're wanting to hit under the master plan.

01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:21.240
 Some other really, I think, creative things that we've added is the opportunity to do

01:27:21.240 --> 01:27:28.800
 more development agreements that's actually written into the ordinance.

01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:33.640
 So if we've got a development that's coming in and we want to sit down with them and talk

01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:39.400
 to them about what their parks are going to look like, their trail systems, any other

01:27:39.400 --> 01:27:45.080
 amenities, we can do that separately in a development agreement.

01:27:45.080 --> 01:27:48.160
 Cole Hunter Ranch is a great example of that.

01:27:48.160 --> 01:27:55.640
 And Gary and Drew are working on other projects, too, that can help us achieve some of our

01:27:55.640 --> 01:28:00.840
 master plan projects through a development agreement.

01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:10.080
 So we could actually get more out of a development agreement than strictly following the park

01:28:10.080 --> 01:28:16.500
 land dedication and park development factors that would be written in this ordinance.

01:28:16.500 --> 01:28:22.680
 The one thing just to add to what Laura had commented on is that came out from our developers,

01:28:22.680 --> 01:28:25.360
 this only addresses residential parcels.

01:28:25.360 --> 01:28:30.600
 It does not consider the commercial parcels or retail, any industrial, any of that type

01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:32.300
 of thing.

01:28:32.300 --> 01:28:42.200
 So what we would do and have an option for is if we wanted a parcel that was zoned commercial

01:28:42.200 --> 01:28:48.680
 that let's say it's behind a Walgreens that would be a good place to put a trailhead for

01:28:48.680 --> 01:28:54.800
 an area, we could use that instead of a piece of land that they were going to give us that

01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:56.620
 maybe didn't have any value to us.

01:28:56.620 --> 01:29:02.560
 So we can address those types of situations where we're being more creative with the developer

01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:07.800
 because say the developer may say, I need that space to put houses where I can make

01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:13.040
 my money and then we could say, well, we need this commercial property that you have that

01:29:13.040 --> 01:29:17.400
 would be more valuable for us as a trailhead for a neighborhood.

01:29:17.400 --> 01:29:26.160
 So that allows us to be a little more creative with that type of opportunity as similar to

01:29:26.160 --> 01:29:29.520
 what Laura just stated.

01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:33.680
 So the proposed ordinance is really killing a lot of birds with one stone.

01:29:33.680 --> 01:29:37.320
 Again, updating is a major factor.

01:29:37.320 --> 01:29:43.280
 The legal compliance is another major factor because our current ordinance just isn't getting

01:29:43.280 --> 01:29:44.560
 us there.

01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:51.880
 And then some of the lessons learned since 1998 are all things that are also being addressed.

01:29:51.880 --> 01:30:00.040
 Again, something like the proximity and creating those donuts of no funding within our city

01:30:00.040 --> 01:30:08.480
 and reversing that drive back to need rather than location for using these funds, which

01:30:08.480 --> 01:30:13.160
 is the original intent, are all things that we're addressing.

01:30:13.160 --> 01:30:18.460
 Going back and updating the specifications for development.

01:30:18.460 --> 01:30:23.880
 If a developer was going to either donate or develop their own park, that needed to

01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:24.880
 be done.

01:30:24.880 --> 01:30:27.660
 So all of those things are updated.

01:30:27.660 --> 01:30:35.600
 Something else really quick, under the current ordinance, any funding that we receive has

01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:38.680
 to be spent within 10 years.

01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:48.080
 And if it's not spent, then the developer has one year to come back and ask for reimbursement.

01:30:48.080 --> 01:30:55.960
 To my knowledge, there's been one developer that has initiated that clause.

01:30:55.960 --> 01:30:59.800
 And it was several years ago.

01:30:59.800 --> 01:31:00.960
 And I don't know the details.

01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:02.800
 That's just my understanding.

01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:08.220
 But in this current ordinance, we have looked at reducing that time to seven years.

01:31:08.220 --> 01:31:14.720
 I know that seems a little bit of an odd number, but it's almost a compromise.

01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:19.040
 We're wanting to let the developers know that this money is being used.

01:31:19.040 --> 01:31:24.240
 And not only the developers who are actually paying in, but the residents who should be

01:31:24.240 --> 01:31:31.960
 benefiting from this money, letting them know that we are working as quickly and as diligently

01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:39.080
 as possible to make these improvements and to make sure that these parks are, you know,

01:31:39.080 --> 01:31:41.620
 they're keeping up with the need.

01:31:41.620 --> 01:31:45.320
 But it also gives us the wiggle room that we need.

01:31:45.320 --> 01:31:52.840
 Let's say if we have a bond program that's over five years, you know, we might ask for

01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:57.760
 one specific element to be funded through a bond program.

01:31:57.760 --> 01:32:04.120
 And then we can supplement amenities using 915 or 916 funding.

01:32:04.120 --> 01:32:13.800
 So that gives us, again, that extra cushion to plan out for bond projects or major construction

01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:14.800
 projects.

01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:17.660
 Those can take a couple of years, as y'all know.

01:32:17.660 --> 01:32:21.900
 So that's where we've landed on the seven years.

01:32:21.900 --> 01:32:26.480
 Just to tie in with what Laura's talking about there and kind of what you see on the screen

01:32:26.480 --> 01:32:30.880
 in regards to cost recovery, and I need to actually take this down.

01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:37.640
 In regards to cost recovery, if you think about it now, we're talking even at the 60%

01:32:37.640 --> 01:32:44.280
 in six-year rollup, anywhere between, you know, 48 to 82%.

01:32:44.280 --> 01:32:50.560
 Right now, based on the cost to construct the park, our formula is based off of $208,000

01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:59.800
 for a five-acre park, and it's $1.5 million for a similar park size.

01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:07.080
 So that's right now, at full pay, we're at 20% cost recovery, and we're not getting full

01:33:07.080 --> 01:33:08.200
 pay.

01:33:08.200 --> 01:33:12.960
 So we only have a little bit of money in a lot of places.

01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:20.080
 There's a couple locations across the city that we have a large lump of 915, 916 funding,

01:33:20.080 --> 01:33:23.280
 and that's like near the McKenna property.

01:33:23.280 --> 01:33:27.920
 And we're doing improvements to that park that's going to utilize that funding.

01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:34.200
 But there are some areas where we may have, you know, $5,000 in funding sitting there,

01:33:34.200 --> 01:33:36.640
 and that's not going to build a neighborhood park.

01:33:36.640 --> 01:33:38.840
 It's not even going to build a one-acre park.

01:33:38.840 --> 01:33:44.240
 So that's part of the challenge of having these based off of one-mile radius around

01:33:44.240 --> 01:33:51.200
 a geographic area, as opposed to a zone where we can lump funds together and build some

01:33:51.200 --> 01:33:52.400
 parks.

01:33:52.400 --> 01:33:58.840
 So even at the 60%, we're coming up way ahead to where we were at before.

01:33:58.840 --> 01:34:04.360
 Obviously, you know, I think the concern is developers pay their way.

01:34:04.360 --> 01:34:10.500
 There's a lot of discussion about that with the Hunter and Cole Ranch meetings with City

01:34:10.500 --> 01:34:13.920
 Council when we were working on that.

01:34:13.920 --> 01:34:20.080
 They are currently planning to build parks above the cost of what they're required to

01:34:20.080 --> 01:34:21.480
 do.

01:34:21.480 --> 01:34:28.000
 In Razor Ranch, which is the next topic for discussion, they are spending, I don't know,

01:34:28.000 --> 01:34:33.460
 three or four times more than they're required to do by ordinance at their choosing.

01:34:33.460 --> 01:34:37.480
 So there's a lot of developers that are actually paying more than they're required to, and

01:34:37.480 --> 01:34:42.040
 that's just because that's what it costs to build those properties.

01:34:42.040 --> 01:34:46.040
 So we're fortunate to have that, but that's just a little background on the cost recovery

01:34:46.040 --> 01:34:51.160
 thought process.

01:34:51.160 --> 01:34:52.160
 Any questions?

01:34:52.160 --> 01:34:55.360
 I know it's a lot of information again, and I know we haven't talked about it in a while.

01:34:55.360 --> 01:35:04.120
 And while it looks really complicated, walking through the actual fee calculations gets us

01:35:04.120 --> 01:35:06.160
 there is pretty easy.

01:35:06.160 --> 01:35:07.880
 George has his hand up.

01:35:07.880 --> 01:35:08.880
 Yeah.

01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:10.960
 First off, thank you, Laura, for that presentation.

01:35:10.960 --> 01:35:12.560
 I love me some good math.

01:35:12.560 --> 01:35:14.480
 That was fun.

01:35:14.480 --> 01:35:19.240
 So it sounds like, and I just want to maybe ask this in a really simple way because I

01:35:19.240 --> 01:35:25.360
 want to clarify that by increasing this percentage that we're becoming, I guess, a little more

01:35:25.360 --> 01:35:31.320
 competitive in what we're asking developers to give in terms of helping us to have more

01:35:31.320 --> 01:35:33.600
 funding per se.

01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:34.960
 Is that correct so far?

01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:35.960
 Yes.

01:35:35.960 --> 01:35:36.960
 Okay, awesome.

01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:43.920
 I'm 100% behind this, and I love the explanation of different types of parks, sizes of parks.

01:35:43.920 --> 01:35:50.960
 I have a question about the drafted ordinance, the recommendation.

01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:56.680
 It says in Section 2245, right to refund, it's a five-year period.

01:35:56.680 --> 01:35:57.680
 Am I reading that wrong?

01:35:57.680 --> 01:35:59.440
 Is it supposed to be seven?

01:35:59.440 --> 01:36:04.060
 Well, we've gone back and forth, and I need to update that.

01:36:04.060 --> 01:36:05.060
 It should be seven.

01:36:05.060 --> 01:36:06.600
 I think that's where we've landed now.

01:36:06.600 --> 01:36:15.480
 We reduced it to five, but then again, just having gone through the bond process, if we've

01:36:15.480 --> 01:36:21.280
 got money that's not scheduled to be sold for five years, and we're wanting to buy park

01:36:21.280 --> 01:36:28.840
 land, and then we're wanting to use development money to put in this infrastructure, that's

01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:30.080
 not going to work.

01:36:30.080 --> 01:36:36.440
 So under this current bond program, again, we've got money for land, but if we want to

01:36:36.440 --> 01:36:41.280
 use the development piece, the 9/16 money, the timing's going to be off.

01:36:41.280 --> 01:36:44.040
 So we're going to extend that to seven.

01:36:44.040 --> 01:36:45.040
 I agree.

01:36:45.040 --> 01:36:48.200
 Yeah, I want to make sure that you guys have access to those funds for as long as you really

01:36:48.200 --> 01:36:52.200
 need them, because it's right, you don't want to go too far and wait too long, and all these

01:36:52.200 --> 01:36:54.920
 developers are like, "Where are these parks that you guys said you were going to use this

01:36:54.920 --> 01:36:55.920
 money for?"

01:36:55.920 --> 01:36:59.040
 And on the other side, it's bonds haven't come through, we haven't had time to access

01:36:59.040 --> 01:37:00.040
 this money.

01:37:00.040 --> 01:37:04.440
 I just wanted to make sure that we gave ourselves enough time, so I'm glad that it's seven.

01:37:04.440 --> 01:37:07.160
 Yeah, I also agree with the 60% method.

01:37:07.160 --> 01:37:13.920
 I feel like it's both competitive and it meets the needs of what the revised ordinance would

01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:15.480
 bring to the table.

01:37:15.480 --> 01:37:22.200
 So that would kind of be where I'm at, is with the 60% model, because it both is attractive

01:37:22.200 --> 01:37:27.000
 to developers who want to bring in development here, but it's also attractive to the staff

01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:28.760
 who wants to have more income.

01:37:28.760 --> 01:37:29.760
 And that's all I have to say about that.

01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:30.760
 Thank you so much for this presentation.

01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:33.680
 That was a lot, but I learned a lot reading that.

01:37:35.200 --> 01:37:36.200
 Thank you, George.

01:37:36.200 --> 01:37:37.840
 David, I see your hand.

01:37:37.840 --> 01:37:42.520
 Yeah, I wanted to talk a little bit about that period as well.

01:37:42.520 --> 01:37:46.480
 I thought that was a pretty good place of compromise because I don't think we're really

01:37:46.480 --> 01:37:51.200
 giving up much, but it shows that we're coming off of some hard lines that don't really affect

01:37:51.200 --> 01:37:53.440
 us anyway, or they shouldn't affect us anyway.

01:37:53.440 --> 01:37:59.800
 And I think one net positive of that is when you're delaying out tenures, if you look at

01:37:59.800 --> 01:38:07.160
 a city council or a board in a ten-year period, directions change and priorities change, and

01:38:07.160 --> 01:38:11.160
 keeping a tighter schedule will probably keep things moving a little bit better anyway.

01:38:11.160 --> 01:38:15.840
 The one question I think I had, and it was kind of follow-up to the 60%, I think the

01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:20.960
 60% number makes sense, but what I think I heard was an incremental scheduling of increasing

01:38:20.960 --> 01:38:24.880
 that to 100, I guess?

01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:29.960
 That's what we're saying in every two years or every three years, would it make sense

01:38:29.960 --> 01:38:33.960
 to make that more gradual and just so it's not as much of a sticker shock on developers?

01:38:33.960 --> 01:38:42.600
 Yeah, so we're looking at 10% a year, and so first year, obviously 60%, second year,

01:38:42.600 --> 01:38:48.400
 70%, year three would be at 80%, and that's going to be a review year.

01:38:48.400 --> 01:38:58.320
 And then after the review, we would essentially reset at that 80%, then 90%, 100%, and then

01:38:58.320 --> 01:39:02.840
 the third year, we would reset 100%.

01:39:02.840 --> 01:39:03.840
 Does that make sense?

01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:08.440
 I'm not going to claim I totally understand that, but yeah, okay.

01:39:08.440 --> 01:39:09.440
 It's based on land.

01:39:09.440 --> 01:39:10.440
 It's based on property values.

01:39:10.440 --> 01:39:11.440
 Oh, I understand.

01:39:11.440 --> 01:39:12.440
 Okay.

01:39:12.440 --> 01:39:15.520
 And not just property values, but it's based on population.

01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:21.520
 It's based on residential parcels within each zone, and it's based on the land value.

01:39:21.520 --> 01:39:26.480
 It's also based on the level of service is also based on the number of park acres in

01:39:26.480 --> 01:39:27.700
 each zone.

01:39:27.700 --> 01:39:33.600
 So if we have new parks there or we've added to existing parks, which we've done over the

01:39:33.600 --> 01:39:38.200
 last three years, then that number will change as well.

01:39:38.200 --> 01:39:45.600
 So we'll actually have one year at 100%, and then the second year, which would be year

01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:47.540
 six, is another review year.

01:39:47.540 --> 01:39:49.760
 So we would reset at 100%.

01:39:49.760 --> 01:39:50.760
 Okay.

01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:51.760
 Thank you.

01:39:51.760 --> 01:39:52.760
 Thanks.

01:39:52.760 --> 01:39:53.760
 I'm sorry.

01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:54.760
 Were you done, David?

01:39:54.760 --> 01:39:55.760
 I was just thinking.

01:39:55.760 --> 01:39:56.760
 I said it totally makes sense.

01:39:56.760 --> 01:39:57.760
 So thank you.

01:39:57.760 --> 01:39:58.760
 You answered my question.

01:39:58.760 --> 01:39:59.760
 Okay.

01:39:59.760 --> 01:40:00.760
 Thank you, Laura.

01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:10.520
 And for the sake of time, we only have 15 minutes left, and I want to thank you for

01:40:10.520 --> 01:40:14.320
 all the detail because it did make it much clearer for me.

01:40:14.320 --> 01:40:19.200
 I read it and thought I understood it, but your explanation drove it home.

01:40:19.200 --> 01:40:20.200
 Thank you.

01:40:20.200 --> 01:40:21.200
 Thank you so much.

01:40:21.200 --> 01:40:22.200
 It's so good to see you.

01:40:22.200 --> 01:40:23.200
 Thank you.

01:40:23.200 --> 01:40:24.200
 Okay.

01:40:24.200 --> 01:40:29.660
 Our next item, Receiver Report Holder Discussion and Give Staff Input Regarding the Future

01:40:29.660 --> 01:40:34.960
 Park that is to be located at the corner of Heritage Trail and Linden Drive in Razor Ranch

01:40:34.960 --> 01:40:38.960
 Town Center.

01:40:38.960 --> 01:40:48.280
 Gary, is that you or Drew?

01:40:48.280 --> 01:40:49.280
 Yeah.

01:40:49.280 --> 01:40:50.280
 I'm bringing it up.

01:40:50.280 --> 01:40:51.280
 Hang on one second.

01:40:51.280 --> 01:40:52.280
 Okay.

01:40:52.280 --> 01:40:53.280
 Thank you.

01:40:53.280 --> 01:40:54.280
 All right.

01:40:54.280 --> 01:40:57.520
 Drew, you want to do this one?

01:40:57.520 --> 01:40:58.520
 Yeah.

01:40:58.520 --> 01:40:59.520
 Okay.

01:40:59.520 --> 01:41:03.280
 Can you guys see that?

01:41:03.280 --> 01:41:06.120
 All right.

01:41:06.120 --> 01:41:09.120
 So this -- oh, it went down.

01:41:09.120 --> 01:41:10.120
 Sorry.

01:41:10.120 --> 01:41:11.120
 I didn't know you had it.

01:41:11.120 --> 01:41:12.120
 There you go.

01:41:12.120 --> 01:41:17.880
 So this is the proposed Razor Ranch property.

01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:22.400
 As depicted on the park, it's, you know, northwest of McKenna.

01:41:22.400 --> 01:41:37.200
 It's over behind -- I guess it would be southwest of Bonnie Bray and US 380 behind WinCo Foods.

01:41:37.200 --> 01:41:42.280
 Here is the look of the park, and this is really Razor Ranch, you know, at almost its

01:41:42.280 --> 01:41:43.280
 buildout.

01:41:43.280 --> 01:41:47.040
 Gary's circling the park right now.

01:41:47.040 --> 01:41:55.200
 And then, yeah, there's WinCo, like I said, it's southeast of WinCo.

01:41:55.200 --> 01:41:59.200
 For community feedback, you know, we had a meeting back in March, so we talked about

01:41:59.200 --> 01:42:04.800
 walking trails and connectability to other parks, water fountains, shade, public transportation

01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:11.160
 and bike racks, educational signs, lighting and call boxes for safety, the turf quality,

01:42:11.160 --> 01:42:15.560
 green space, trees, and of course, more trees, and in fact, the developer, if you haven't

01:42:15.560 --> 01:42:18.920
 been there to see it, I highly encourage you to drive by and take a look at it and get

01:42:18.920 --> 01:42:19.920
 out and walk around.

01:42:19.920 --> 01:42:23.080
 They did a really good job.

01:42:23.080 --> 01:42:28.560
 Parking and ADA accessibility, so there is parking along the streets, and there's ADA

01:42:28.560 --> 01:42:30.460
 parking spaces there.

01:42:30.460 --> 01:42:33.040
 They're all parallel parking areas.

01:42:33.040 --> 01:42:34.480
 There aren't any restrooms there.

01:42:34.480 --> 01:42:40.360
 They are looking to, as they do, build out, possibly partner with a business to put outdoor

01:42:40.360 --> 01:42:44.240
 restrooms at the very north end of the park.

01:42:44.240 --> 01:42:47.760
 Street crossings, there are street crossings in that area that they're constructing right

01:42:47.760 --> 01:42:49.240
 now.

01:42:49.240 --> 01:42:53.960
 Traffic light at University and Heritage Trail.

01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:58.040
 Traffic does know about that consideration, and of course, consideration for a future

01:42:58.040 --> 01:42:59.800
 spray ground.

01:42:59.800 --> 01:43:06.280
 This is the rendering that we showed a few months ago, I guess almost a year ago now.

01:43:06.280 --> 01:43:14.840
 So Gary's circling now what would maybe be future eateries or bars or restaurants in

01:43:14.840 --> 01:43:22.480
 that area there at the far north end of the park.

01:43:22.480 --> 01:43:27.440
 Here's our parking spaces that we talked about where you have parking along the roads, and

01:43:27.440 --> 01:43:32.280
 of course, on the very far end, that'll be a shared parking lot for those eateries and

01:43:32.280 --> 01:43:36.060
 for the park also.

01:43:36.060 --> 01:43:39.920
 So here's what it looked like when it first really started, and they started kind of sculpting

01:43:39.920 --> 01:43:42.840
 the dirt.

01:43:42.840 --> 01:43:50.200
 This is another rendering of what it anticipated to be, and of course, that kind of depicts

01:43:50.200 --> 01:43:55.860
 where the eateries would be, people playing in the open space, your kind of courtyard

01:43:55.860 --> 01:44:08.520
 area where the transitions are, educational signs, little traffic flow around the park

01:44:08.520 --> 01:44:12.240
 where the future apartments are going up.

01:44:12.240 --> 01:44:17.000
 Here's a real-time photo, so like I said, it looks really good.

01:44:17.000 --> 01:44:22.120
 It's a very kind of quiet place that you just get in, and especially when you're around,

01:44:22.120 --> 01:44:27.080
 you know, the moundings of the dirt there where all the trees are built, you get in

01:44:27.080 --> 01:44:31.000
 there, you just kind of forget where you are, and you kind of lose those apartments in the

01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:32.000
 background.

01:44:32.000 --> 01:44:35.380
 So that's a really good place for those that are going to live around here, especially

01:44:35.380 --> 01:44:38.800
 living in those apartments so they can get out and be in that open space.

01:44:38.800 --> 01:44:45.480
 So there are lights, and Gary, if you'll go back one, you see the, yeah, Gary has a light

01:44:45.480 --> 01:44:49.980
 on the mouse right now, those are the same lights that we installed at the North Lakes

01:44:49.980 --> 01:44:55.120
 Dog Park, those solar lights.

01:44:55.120 --> 01:44:56.240
 There's another picture.

01:44:56.240 --> 01:45:02.500
 So on the very far north end, it'll be your left, that area right there, they did install,

01:45:02.500 --> 01:45:09.840
 after this picture was taken, some electrical outlets, some large electrical outlets for

01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:16.660
 maybe a future food truck area before those eateries were built, so that we could host

01:45:16.660 --> 01:45:25.360
 or someone could host a kind of a food truck event there on the north end of the park.

01:45:25.360 --> 01:45:31.840
 We have the courtyard there where the little crossing, landscape very nicely.

01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:38.000
 So this was the total cost of construction, and of course, it's going to go up some.

01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:43.160
 Various amenities, that number's going to change because they did change out some amenities

01:45:43.160 --> 01:45:48.520
 as far as some exercise equipment that they're going to put along the trails there at Razor

01:45:48.520 --> 01:45:53.320
 Ranch.

01:45:53.320 --> 01:45:58.720
 Park construction started last summer, went through the winter, and it was all sodded

01:45:58.720 --> 01:46:04.840
 and irrigated, and all the grasses were planted throughout this spring, summer, and early

01:46:04.840 --> 01:46:09.040
 fall now that we're in, so.

01:46:09.040 --> 01:46:15.960
 All right, we have any questions, and there is one thing, this property has not been fully

01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:18.880
 dedicated to us, it has not gone to council.

01:46:18.880 --> 01:46:24.640
 I know Gary sends weekly emails reminding them that we do need, you know, that proper

01:46:24.640 --> 01:46:30.800
 paperwork to be able to take to council for that dedication, and we hope to have it soon.

01:46:30.800 --> 01:46:39.440
 It was supposed to happen quite a long time ago, but still, we're still waiting, so.

01:46:39.440 --> 01:46:44.680
 All right, Mary, you'll take it now.

01:46:44.680 --> 01:46:45.680
 I see George.

01:46:45.680 --> 01:46:51.640
 Sorry, I just have one quick question, I don't know why I'm apologizing.

01:46:51.640 --> 01:46:53.440
 It's been a long time since we talked about this.

01:46:53.440 --> 01:46:58.120
 I just wanted to make sure, I don't, did we never talk about restrooms in the capacity

01:46:58.120 --> 01:46:59.600
 of them helping provide that?

01:46:59.600 --> 01:47:02.560
 I know that you just said that they're going to try and partner with the business to provide

01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:07.520
 them, but I imagine this will be ready before maybe commercial has actually been developed

01:47:07.520 --> 01:47:08.520
 there yet.

01:47:08.520 --> 01:47:12.600
 So, because it's such a large piece of land, I'd like to make sure that there are bathrooms

01:47:12.600 --> 01:47:17.360
 accessible to everyone, but sooner rather than later, I guess.

01:47:17.360 --> 01:47:21.520
 What we could do after this is dedicated to us, but once it's dedicated to us, they will

01:47:21.520 --> 01:47:24.720
 hold a maintenance agreement for the first year.

01:47:24.720 --> 01:47:28.480
 So that really works in our favor, we're not paying to maintain that park for the first

01:47:28.480 --> 01:47:32.960
 year, but we could look into putting some portable restrooms there before permanent

01:47:32.960 --> 01:47:35.360
 restrooms are built.

01:47:35.360 --> 01:47:39.760
 As we've mentioned earlier, the requirements for the overall development that they're supposed

01:47:39.760 --> 01:47:45.440
 to provide from a land equity standpoint is this is almost exactly what they were supposed

01:47:45.440 --> 01:47:49.760
 to provide, it's a little bit more, but from a construction standpoint, it was a little

01:47:49.760 --> 01:47:58.360
 over $300,000 and they're over $1.2, $1.3 million and a restroom facility is not cheap.

01:47:58.360 --> 01:48:05.240
 We've realized that ourselves, so they've really exceeded the expectations.

01:48:05.240 --> 01:48:10.800
 So anything that we want to add to it, we're going to have to add to ourselves, I don't

01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:14.960
 think they're going to be interested in putting more into the park, other than what they've

01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:16.400
 agreed to at this point in time.

01:48:16.400 --> 01:48:20.160
 So whether it's a port-a-john or it's a future restroom facility, it's something we'll have

01:48:20.160 --> 01:48:22.400
 to address long-term.

01:48:22.400 --> 01:48:27.000
 The one thing that we do need to discuss as we continue to move forward in the development

01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:30.840
 of our park system is when and where do we provide restrooms?

01:48:30.840 --> 01:48:36.520
 A neighborhood park typically does not provide restrooms because they're a neighborhood park,

01:48:36.520 --> 01:48:40.180
 they're generally available for the people that live around that park where they can

01:48:40.180 --> 01:48:42.240
 walk back and forth.

01:48:42.240 --> 01:48:45.600
 This one's a little bit different where it has a little bit of a tourist destination

01:48:45.600 --> 01:48:46.840
 twist to it.

01:48:46.840 --> 01:48:54.120
 So in the agreement, it does outline the goal of them providing restrooms once those developments

01:48:54.120 --> 01:48:58.440
 are constructed for general public use.

01:48:58.440 --> 01:49:03.480
 So that's going to be a complicated process and discussion, depending on when that happens,

01:49:03.480 --> 01:49:06.720
 but there is going to be a period of time that we're going to have to provide something

01:49:06.720 --> 01:49:08.060
 that we'll have to work through.

01:49:08.060 --> 01:49:11.160
 So it's a challenge for sure.

01:49:11.160 --> 01:49:12.240
 Yeah, absolutely.

01:49:12.240 --> 01:49:15.520
 Just wanted to double check because with all that commercial and even food trucks, when

01:49:15.520 --> 01:49:19.320
 you're giving people food and places to sit and eat, you should also give them access

01:49:19.320 --> 01:49:20.320
 to bathrooms.

01:49:20.320 --> 01:49:21.320
 Cool.

01:49:21.320 --> 01:49:24.480
 I just wanted to make sure that that was, I know that's $380,000 that was on that side

01:49:24.480 --> 01:49:25.480
 budget that was just listed.

01:49:25.480 --> 01:49:31.040
 I just wanted to circle back around and keep that in people's forefront of their mind.

01:49:31.040 --> 01:49:32.400
 Thank you.

01:49:32.400 --> 01:49:33.920
 Really good question, George.

01:49:33.920 --> 01:49:34.920
 Thank you.

01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:38.800
 Any additional questions, concerns?

01:49:38.800 --> 01:49:42.240
 Okay, this is not an action item.

01:49:42.240 --> 01:49:46.040
 This is an information item.

01:49:46.040 --> 01:49:53.800
 The next item is to talk about items for next, the next meeting.

01:49:53.800 --> 01:49:59.080
 And so this is what I have, Gary, correct me if I'm wrong, UNT, a property, Veterans

01:49:59.080 --> 01:50:05.720
 Park, however you want to phrase that, KDB.

01:50:05.720 --> 01:50:06.720
 Clear Creek.

01:50:06.720 --> 01:50:07.720
 Okay.

01:50:07.720 --> 01:50:13.520
 Yeah, we're going to tie Clear Creek and KDB together since it's kind of the same group.

01:50:13.520 --> 01:50:14.520
 Okay.

01:50:14.520 --> 01:50:20.600
 So that'll be one item in itself.

01:50:20.600 --> 01:50:26.760
 And I've had some community residents come.

01:50:26.760 --> 01:50:28.640
 And Gary, we've had this conversation.

01:50:28.640 --> 01:50:34.120
 If you could share this brief overview of when parks are going to reopen and how.

01:50:34.120 --> 01:50:37.960
 So everybody's on the same page.

01:50:37.960 --> 01:50:39.760
 Yep.

01:50:39.760 --> 01:50:44.440
 Just about every council meeting, we have a COVID presentation that covers something,

01:50:44.440 --> 01:50:49.440
 whether it's a governor's order or a change in a regulation, whatever it would be, or

01:50:49.440 --> 01:50:51.440
 a change in park operations.

01:50:51.440 --> 01:50:56.400
 So tomorrow we're going to provide a brief update to city council on kind of where we're

01:50:56.400 --> 01:51:02.360
 at with our programs and facilities and what our long-term plan is.

01:51:02.360 --> 01:51:05.400
 And I want to say long-term, it's the next three or four months.

01:51:05.400 --> 01:51:09.240
 It's COVID years, so it's long-term.

01:51:09.240 --> 01:51:15.720
 And as part of our initial reopening plan from last April, we anticipated Denia and

01:51:15.720 --> 01:51:21.120
 the senior center and civic center opening up towards the end of this year in the first

01:51:21.120 --> 01:51:22.680
 of January.

01:51:22.680 --> 01:51:28.000
 We opened up MLK over Labor Day weekend or just after Labor Day weekend.

01:51:28.000 --> 01:51:35.920
 And we're trying to balance need, community need, participation levels, programming need,

01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:40.080
 COVID, COVID, all at the same time.

01:51:40.080 --> 01:51:44.480
 MLK has been fairly slow in regrowing.

01:51:44.480 --> 01:51:47.960
 We do get a lot of kids that come over to that facility and hang out.

01:51:47.960 --> 01:51:49.680
 Right now you have to have supervision.

01:51:49.680 --> 01:51:53.120
 So that's definitely impact numbers.

01:51:53.120 --> 01:51:57.440
 Denia neighborhood has reached out wanting their facility open.

01:51:57.440 --> 01:52:02.920
 We are starting to get some of our senior center users reaching out.

01:52:02.920 --> 01:52:04.920
 They want the senior center reopened.

01:52:04.920 --> 01:52:12.560
 So we have a couple of items for discussion tomorrow on athletic programming, on starting

01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:19.280
 some senior programming at North Lakes and MLK, social distance, small groups to kind

01:52:19.280 --> 01:52:20.920
 of help control that.

01:52:20.920 --> 01:52:24.800
 So the feedback we're getting is some of the seniors are struggling because they don't

01:52:24.800 --> 01:52:30.120
 have the social engagement that they need and it's impacting mental health.

01:52:30.120 --> 01:52:35.120
 And I think we've all experienced that in some form or fashion over the past six, seven

01:52:35.120 --> 01:52:36.120
 months.

01:52:36.120 --> 01:52:41.440
 So we're trying to address that and balance budget and staffing at the same time.

01:52:41.440 --> 01:52:48.040
 So part of the discussion and consideration is opening Denia maybe part time and sharing

01:52:48.040 --> 01:52:53.640
 staff between MLK and Denia going back and forth until we get programs up and running

01:52:53.640 --> 01:52:59.740
 and we see more attendance and more participation and then opening expanding hours.

01:52:59.740 --> 01:53:03.600
 So we're going to have some of those discussions with council tomorrow and we'll see where

01:53:03.600 --> 01:53:09.680
 that discussion goes and we can provide you an update next month for sure and our game

01:53:09.680 --> 01:53:11.400
 plan moving forward.

01:53:11.400 --> 01:53:12.660
 Fantastic.

01:53:12.660 --> 01:53:16.840
 So that will be added for next month as well.

01:53:16.840 --> 01:53:25.520
 I have the other community concern was the relationship between the parks board and our

01:53:25.520 --> 01:53:33.000
 art committee, there was a concern of about where the art is being placed in which parks.

01:53:33.000 --> 01:53:40.160
 And if you could add that for next time and just speak to that, that would be helpful.

01:53:40.160 --> 01:53:42.560
 Just a point of clarification.

01:53:42.560 --> 01:53:47.720
 The relationship between the public art committee and the park board and where art goes.

01:53:47.720 --> 01:53:51.280
 Yes, with what parks.

01:53:51.280 --> 01:53:54.800
 How is it determined what art goes in which parks?

01:53:54.800 --> 01:54:00.720
 And, Eddie, can we go ahead and get December scheduled because December is going to be

01:54:00.720 --> 01:54:06.840
 December is already here.

01:54:06.840 --> 01:54:15.280
 And the absentee policy, we want to have a discussion about adding family obligations

01:54:15.280 --> 01:54:16.280
 to the list.

01:54:16.280 --> 01:54:18.720
 Everybody in agreement for that?

01:54:18.720 --> 01:54:28.480
 Okay, if there are no other, oh, yes, I'm going to add one to December.

01:54:28.480 --> 01:54:33.480
 It'll be I have we've been working on this for quite a while and it's time.

01:54:33.480 --> 01:54:34.600
 It's time to bring it to you.

01:54:34.600 --> 01:54:41.080
 So it's a citywide, citywide, wildflower and plant, prairie planting program.

01:54:41.080 --> 01:54:42.080
 Okay.

01:54:42.080 --> 01:54:48.800
 Say that more than once, so George was thinking that.

01:54:48.800 --> 01:54:53.640
 So it's a wildflower and prairie restoration planting program.

01:54:53.640 --> 01:54:57.120
 All right.

01:54:57.120 --> 01:55:01.800
 Anything else for next month?

01:55:01.800 --> 01:55:05.720
 Just a real quick, just to kind of add a couple of just comments, we've got, I guess, one

01:55:05.720 --> 01:55:10.520
 minute left, jumping back to the 9/15/16.

01:55:10.520 --> 01:55:14.320
 The ordinance, the way it's written, we are eligible to reimburse ourselves.

01:55:14.320 --> 01:55:20.920
 So if we buy property ahead of time to try to get it at a better price, we can use that

01:55:20.920 --> 01:55:26.400
 funding for reimbursing the city for that to go back into a land acquisition fund.

01:55:26.400 --> 01:55:28.800
 So that's something that's new.

01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:34.720
 And there will be a time between once the ordinance is approved and once it'll start

01:55:34.720 --> 01:55:40.440
 that gives anybody that has a project in the works time to kind of flush that through the

01:55:40.440 --> 01:55:43.560
 system and kind of be grandfathered in.

01:55:43.560 --> 01:55:48.280
 That way, if they bought property based off of a certain budget and then we come in and

01:55:48.280 --> 01:55:54.000
 raise those fees, that gives them an opportunity to kind of get that project approved and get

01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:59.380
 it stamped and then they won't be subject to the new fees.

01:55:59.380 --> 01:56:03.080
 So that's something that Dr. Crompton also recommended to us as well.

01:56:03.080 --> 01:56:10.160
 So that might be six months or five, six months, whatever we determine and settle on is just

01:56:10.160 --> 01:56:17.140
 another opportunity that we're showing how we're working with the community to try to

01:56:17.140 --> 01:56:20.920
 balance the burden of fee increases.

01:56:20.920 --> 01:56:21.920
 Thank you.

01:56:21.920 --> 01:56:22.920
 Thank you so much.

01:56:22.920 --> 01:56:23.920
 Anything else?

01:56:23.920 --> 01:56:26.080
 All right.

01:56:26.080 --> 01:56:28.760
 May I have a motion to adjourn the meeting?

01:56:28.760 --> 01:56:31.080
 So moved.

01:56:31.080 --> 01:56:33.800
 David in second.

01:56:33.800 --> 01:56:37.160
 Go ahead, George.

01:56:37.160 --> 01:56:38.160
 Second.

01:56:38.160 --> 01:56:39.160
 Yes.

01:56:39.160 --> 01:56:42.480
 All in favor?

01:56:42.480 --> 01:56:44.140
 Anyone oppose?

01:56:44.140 --> 01:56:45.140
 Motion passes.

01:56:45.140 --> 01:56:49.200
 Meeting adjourned at five o'clock exactly, Eddie.

01:56:49.200 --> 01:56:51.120
 Have a good evening, all.

01:56:51.120 --> 01:56:52.120
 Thank you.

01:56:52.120 --> 01:56:52.120
 Thank you.