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 Good afternoon and welcome to the October Parks Board meeting.

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 I am Frances Punch, chair for the Parks Board.

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 Today we have no excused board members absent.

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 First question, do we have any members from the public that need to speak in this meeting

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 today?

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 No, chair, there are no callers for this meeting.

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 Fantastic.

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 First item of business is to consider approval of the minutes.

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 Any questions, concerns?

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 I see James has his hand up.

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 James, you're muted.

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 Sorry about that, minutes were good to me, I was just going to forward a motion.

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 Okay, does anybody have questions, concerns, corrections?

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 Okay, a motion to approve.

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 James is making a motion.

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 I need a second.

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 David is second.

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 All in favor?

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 Show of hands, please.

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 All right, anyone opposed?

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 Motion passes.

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 Second item is an item that was carried over from last month's agenda.

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 We're going to continue to talk about the trails concept map and who's going to do that,

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 Gary?

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 Dr. Walker is here as well as Drew and I, we can all kind of chime in.

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 Let me share this with you real quick.

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 At the end of last meeting, we were towards the end of the presentation and just wanted

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 to, we did not get a chance to go through the specific trails, but I wanted to first

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 of all see if there are any questions that you guys had from last meeting and I could

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 bring up the map and just kind of walk you through some of the larger trails that are

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 planned and I can share with you a PDF so you can go through the specifics at your leisure

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 and take a look at that.

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 As of right now, our plan is to meet with P and Z, planning and zoning, and walk through

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 with them on this and then eventually go to council shortly thereafter and get some feedback

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 from council, make sure we're on the right path.

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 We had a public meeting on October 1st.

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 We had over 100 people pre-register.

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 I think the largest amount we had actually online at one time was about 54, 55 people,

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 so it was very well attended and people stayed through the entire two hours as well.

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 So there was a lot of engagement, a lot of questions, and a lot of positive feedback

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 in the direction we're heading.

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 So this is a wish list.

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 Some of these things may never happen.

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 Some may happen 30 years from now.

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 Some may happen next year.

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 It all depends on funding, priorities, other city projects, and they will not happen in

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 order of phases either.

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 They may happen sporadically.

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 You may jump from phase one to phase six based on what's happening in that area and where

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 funding is available as well.

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 So it's really getting everything down on paper so we could start picking at it and

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 seeing what's feasible, what's not, where the challenges are, where it's easy to go

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 ahead and move forward.

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 So Dr. Walker and Parks and Rec staff have worked quite a bit on this, and every time

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 we look at it, we're updating it.

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 So there's so many ideas and opportunities out there.

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 We wanted to make sure that we got feedback from the board itself, and then I can share

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 the map with you.

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 So if you have any feedback from the presentation, if you remember, if there's anything you want

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 us to go back over, we sure will do that for you.

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 And then after that, I'll bring up the GIS map.

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 Any questions about any of the prior discussions?

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 I'll admit, a month is a long time.

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 I have a hard time remembering what my train of thought was yesterday, but I think I left

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 that meeting feeling pretty clear.

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 Okay, I'll bring up the GIS map and share this with you, and then it may jog some questions

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 Dr. Walker, are you with us?

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 Also, for the note takers, I guess you guys saw that Kent joined on, just for making sure

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 that we're accurate with our minutes.

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 I saw him.

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 So this is our GIS map, and this is what we use for a lot of our planning efforts.

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 So if you remember, the green items are our park spaces.

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 The purple are city properties that are not specifically park dedication.

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 And then the blue circles are our 10-minute walk.

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 So you get a general sense of where our parks are in that half-mile radius.

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 Now I'm just going to start zooming in here and go over a couple things.

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 So this pink line right here, that's the DCTA Rail Trail that already exists.

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 So that gives you an idea kind of where things are.

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 Here's 35E.

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 Pecan Creek is probably the easiest creek for us to start working on.

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 And that will basically connect to the DCTA Trail, go through Fred Moore, through this

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 purple property right here, into Carl Young, over to Woodrow, through some city property.

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 There's one developer that owns this entire area on the north side and south side of Shady

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 They currently have about four to eight miles of trails in this area that would connect

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 That would all be built and maintained by the development if that would move forward.

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 So that's still early on in the process.

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 We'd connect to Meadowbrook, I'm sorry, Pebblebrook Park.

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 We'd eventually put some trails through that property as well and then into city property.

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 So this is the treatment plant and the landfill all on the north side of the creek.

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 I guess it's the north and east side of the creek.

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 That would follow all the way down to Lake Louisville into the Army Corps property down

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 This is all Army Corps.

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 So that would connect all the way from the east side, from Lake Louisville to downtown.

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 And most of this is government property, so that's why we feel this is probably the easiest

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 Some of these obviously have private property in them, and we may not own the property yet,

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 but it's still a visionary because that property could come up for sale.

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 We could work on an easement, and if the property owner's just not going to happen, then we'll

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 So that's still an opportunity.

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 So the Mingo Trail, whenever this road is rebuilt, there'll be a 10-foot wide trail

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 It may go to on-street once we get past 288 right now just because of traffic needs.

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 If this eventually grows and redevelops, then we might look at that down the road.

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 But there would be a trail at least to 288 and then on-street out to Clear Creek.

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 So that would technically connect, hopefully, Dallas all the way to Lake Ray Roberts.

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 So that's kind of like the long-term plan there.

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 Cooper Creek, right now, this trail basically almost starts in North Lakes Park.

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 It comes up through the dog park, up to the animal shelter, and then goes north, up to

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 North Point Park in this area.

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 And then it follows the creek all the way down to Evers Park.

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 And then it crosses 2164, and then it goes all the way over to Sherman.

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 From that point in time, and we put this in the Friday report, the connection from Sherman

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 to Avondale is really tight.

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 There's an easement along the creek, but it's very narrow.

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 It would be much easier for us and quicker to follow Sherman down to Windsor, which would

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 be down to here, and then go on-street because there's already a bike path here for half

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 of that distance, and then into Avondale Park.

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 Then from Avondale Park down towards Mingo, it's a little bit challenging here as well.

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 So that's more of a challenging section of Cooper Creek.

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 Just moving up a little bit north, we would take Sherman and try to expand that wherever

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 That's a long-term tech stop project, but we'd like to try to get a trail along Sherman.

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 That's a popular bike riding route for people.

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 But Clear Creek is this black line that follows Clear Creek.

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 At the very minimum, it would start at 428 and go east and connect all the way over to

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 this purple is the proposed mountain bike trail that we've had some discussions on.

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 But it would come through this parcel here and then connect to Clear Creek.

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 And then eventually, a lot of this property is owned by the Carter family.

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 We're talking to the developer about a small trail that would follow some floodplain here

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 that would connect those neighborhoods to the Clear Creek trail, and that's what this blue

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 Let's see.

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 We'll jump over here.

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 So Bonnie Bray, this is under construction right now, all the way down at Vintage.

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 And so it's going to be on street up into Rose Lawn, up to right about here.

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 It'll be on street, and then it'll go on a 10-foot path, a side path, all the way up

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 to 77, past the new high school, which is slated here, up into this area.

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 We're actually having a meeting on Wednesday with this neighborhood here because they have

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 It would be on the south side of the Vintage road that's being built, and then once it

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 gets to Bonnie Bray, it'll jump to the north side and follow all the way down to 377.

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 And that's a 10-foot path as well.

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 There will be a trail that follows the city property along Bonnie Bray through the Vintage

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 parcel that we own, through a small section of this private development, and into Southwest

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 So there's really Vintage, Bonnie Bray, Southwest Park, and Hickory Creek all merging here.

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 So Hickory Creek starts way down here at the lake, basically.

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 But the real first trailhead is the old Alton Bridge, and it's Army Corps property all the

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 And then there's some private property here.

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 We could either go through our property along the road, and then this section right here

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 is that kind of zigzag portion of Hickory Creek.

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 That's going to be vacated eventually, and it's going to straighten out, and it's going

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 to come all the way across here and connect to 35.

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 So this will be basically our trail bed for that trail.

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 But this would follow up and follow the creek all the way up to 35 at this point, and just

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 Let's see, right to here.

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 And then there's a future road that's going to be over here that'll take it to University.

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 There's a lot of city property here with the airport.

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 The deck, the energy center is in this area too, so we can get through some of those parcels.

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 So that's already been kind of laid out.

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 It's still very early in the development, but that already is on our radar from that

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 377, we want to actually expand the one on 377.

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 The first section they're working on right now is just a five-foot sidewalk, because

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 we were a little late to the game on that one, but we want to expand it to 10-foot,

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 so it goes all the way down to Argyle and down to Roanoke that provides that connectivity.

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 Then we have Hickory Creek Road going east-west, Ryan going east-west, 2499, Teasley going

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 Let's see, what else am I forgetting?

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 University Trail, the section from the border all the way to Mayhill is funded, and that's

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 So this section's going to be going under construction.

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 There's already sidewalk, obviously, in a lot of these places, but we'd like to expand

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 it from five to at least eight or 10 feet, if we can.

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 That's kind of it in a really quick snapshot, and we went through this kind of same proposal

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 process with the community meeting just to kind of talk about it, and then some people

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 were chiming in about more specifics, but this is kind of the plan that we have in place.

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 There's a little over 200 miles of trails that have been planned.

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 Again, long-term, 25, 40 years for some of these to happen.

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 Some may never happen.

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 The other thing that we had talked about was paddling trails, so we're trying to figure

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 out how we could get from Lake Ray Roberts all the way down to the Lake Lewisville.

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 We have at the confluence, there's currently a dam right there that's backed up that needs

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 cleaned Texas Parks and Wildlife, and the Army Corps did clean the section on the south side

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 of 380, but one of the ideas that came out of the discussion is create a paddling trail

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 with all the communities on Lake Lewisville.

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 It's about 100 miles of paddling efforts if you follow the shoreline, and about 30 boat

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 ramp areas that could be used for launches.

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 So we're going to be reaching out to all the cities that are on Lake Lewisville to see

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 if we can't put together a paddling trail for the entire lake.

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 So that's it in a snapshot.

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 I mean, that's a quick summary of basically two years of work, so it may not do it justice,

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 but there's a lot of information.

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 If you want more information about a specific trail, this is what we've done as a chapter

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 within our Parks and Recreation Master Plan.

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 Eventually, there'll be a full-blown study needed for each one for this entire trail

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 system with lot by lot design and acquisition needs and the details of figuring out how

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 we would get trails through these properties and identifying what the challenges and opportunities

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 are to move forward on those.

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 So Dr. Walker, do you have any other any comments to add to that?

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 You got it all.

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 I mean, that plus everything we covered last time.

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 Well, Gary, I want to commend everybody for working so hard on this.

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 I have two concerns, which you probably have already heard them as well.

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 Community members reached out, and the two concerns, which is one we're going to talk

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 about later in the agenda, is safety along the trails and safe crossings.

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 So we did go back and put call boxes in our chapter to identify where call boxes would

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 You can probably, is that coming up in the next, that's on the agenda, is that coming

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 up later when you talk about safety and security?

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 Yeah, I guess it probably goes with those, but we've added both the crossings and the

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 call boxes to the master plan chapter.

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 So it is on our radar for sure for our trail system.

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 Fantastic.

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 Gary, that plus park access.

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 Yes.

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 And lighting.

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 And lighting.

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 James?

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 Yeah, just a quick question.

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 Are you going to work, you're in the process of working with other towns and cities on

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 the, I guess the lake trail, I recall the boat trail?

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 Paddling trail.

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 And which is good.

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 That's excellent.

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 How about for the best plan trail for the actual hard service trails, like we communicating

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 with Argyle and Crenth and Little Elm, those kind of guys.

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 That's on our radar.

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 We haven't started that process yet.

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 We wanted to kind of run through the local community first, make sure we're on the right

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 path and then we'll be reaching out to them to see kind of what their plan is and see

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 how we could mirror those up.

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 That leads to my second and last question, I hope.

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 On the processes and communicating with neighborhoods that, hey, this is what we're looking at doing

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 and a lot of times you get feedback from, obviously you want to get feedback from the

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 neighborhoods, right?

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 So in that process, how does that communicate this?

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 And I think that helps to show, well, this is just a process and kind of list out and

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 share with them, you know, the listing of the process and how the whole thing is going

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 to go so that this is like rubber bands, actually, right?

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 So good timing.

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 We had that exact thing happen last week.

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 So the section on Cooper Creek Trail from Sherman to Avondale Park, it's about 20, 30

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 houses that this section would, if we followed the creek.

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 Let me flip over to an aerial so you can see it a little bit better.

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 So up in this western side, it's a little more open, but it gets really close to a number

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 The Cherry Orchard House is right here and that's actually, Mrs. Smith is who I talked

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 to and she had heard about it and thought that the construction was starting.

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 And I explained to her, said, no, construction isn't starting, we're just right now gathering

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 feedback on a draft of the overall trails and we can talk to anybody.

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 We're more than willing to go out and talk to a neighborhood group for sure.

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 But some of these trails, again, may not happen for 20 years from now.

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 this section next year and we had money for it.

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 We would have to go and get a design contract and get that approved through council.

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 So there's another opportunity for discussion.

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 And then after that happened, we'd go out to bid and get the contract for construction

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 There's another opportunity for discussion with council.

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 So there's going to be a couple touch points on each one of these that we'd be reaching

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 out to city council for various reasons that would spur on additional feedback.

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 We could have a discussion today on the trail, and let's say it doesn't happen for 15 years.

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 Half of those people could have moved on and new people there.

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 So we kind of have to start over.

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 So we're trying to get feedback from a theoretical standpoint.

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 And if this wasn't an option, we'd figure a way to work around it.

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 And truthfully, this is probably option B. Option A would be come down Sherman, go along

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 Windsor and then you could jump into the park in either one of these locations.

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 That's the cheapest and quickest.

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 But if we wanted to follow the trail with an off street trail section, this would be

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 a preferred method.

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 But ultimately, we're willing to talk to anybody at any time about any of these plans.

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 We can have 10 public meetings, but ultimately, someone's not going to hear about it.

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 So we're always going to be kind of chasing down people that may have missed it and trying

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 to provide that information.

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 And we'll keep pushing it as much as we can, whether it's presentation to P&Z, presentation

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 to city council, follow ups with park board, try to make people aware of what we're working

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 on.

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 Well, I was thinking there is like maybe put temporary signs up say, you know, future.

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 I won't say future.

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 I just say that's even too strong a word of saying potential, you know, trail, and here's

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 a website you can go to get the listings of the process, you know, tell you, you know,

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 where you can get, you know, if you don't if we don't have that information, everybody's

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 going to automatically assume the worst, okay, when you're building through, you know, pre

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 existing neighborhoods, that's it's going to be, you know, I can say from experience,

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 we used to get the ones was there, St. Quinn's going to dump all the you know, drive the

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 bus up and let all the local rapists and onto their trail.

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 That's usually what happens.

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 So by communicating in advance and ensuring that like on signs or something, so as a future

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 potential trail, and then here's a website and go to look at the process, you know, here's

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 probably and tell people upfront, when they go to that web page, that, you know, this

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 is not in stone, we want to look for the inputs and, you know, people to give their feedback

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 and all that kind of stuff.

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 But more importantly, to communicate the process to them.

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 So even if a new person moves into the neighborhood, they can read the sign and go, oh, hey, we

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 should get on that web page and try to figure it out, right?

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 Okay, we can we'll work on that.

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 I just I see an opportunity here in the beginning stages.

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 First of all, I love the trails.

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 I think they're so exciting, and I love that they're along the creeks.

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 And one of the things that's missing in our region, bigger than even Denton, but this

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 is like an opportunity is to think about the education of our waterways while you're developing

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 the creeks.

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 And just like keep that in every stage of planning of like, how are we going to do community

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 outreach, teaching people about their creeks and the natural flora and fauna along the

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 creeks?

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 So, Gary, I'll take that one.

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 So I have been and so is Gary and you know, we brought it to Dr. Walker's attention meeting

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 with environmental.

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 And so we actually have a nationally recognized wetlands coming soon that will be donated

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 to us.

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 And along with that, we would like to do a really nice educational piece there amongst

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 the rest of our trails with with nice signage to be able to explain our different waterways

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 and how important they are to us.

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 And just how important they are, and then how important they are to stay clean and healthy.

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 So just just to add to Drew's comments, so we are looking at various ways that we can

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 interpret various opportunities in Denton, whether it's trails to the cemetery and honoring

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 veterans or just residents, founders, those types of people, interpretive trails about

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 community history, similar what we have on the rails of trail right now, memorial trail,

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 similar to Ernest Dallas, nature trails, wildflowers, trees, you know, bushes, whatever landscaping,

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 and then even the Denton Arts Walk of Fame that goes on Hickory Creek.

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 So those are all different ways that we can educate people while they're exercising that

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 we definitely want to try to capitalize on.

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 So that's great idea.

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 Okay, if there are no other questions or concerns, Gary, it seems like everybody is in approval

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 of the current plan.

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 We understand that it will be continuing to be updated and information will be provided

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 to the community when needed.

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 And if no other concerns, we recommend that you move forward.

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 Oh, wait, David has a question.

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 You're muted.

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 Just a little question, what would be the way that citizens could get access to this

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 if they wanted to take a look at its current status at any point in the future?

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 Is this something that will be available on public domain?

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 Yes.

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 So we're going to make some updates to the plan right now.

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 The GIS map is private facing, it's internal right now.

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 We're working with our GIS team to make that publicly faced.

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 There's a number of layers on there.

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 So we got to make sure that some of those aren't available to the public.

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 It would just make it too confusing.

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 But they'll be able to go in there similar to the mobility plan and look at it.

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 And then they can provide feedback to us on specific areas.

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 So if it's their neighborhood or just citywide comment, we'll be able to collect that.

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 So we have a Parks and Recreation Master Plan website that will put all this information

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 on now that you guys have had an opportunity to see it and we'll get that out to the public.

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 And then we'll also share it with people that specifically were at the meeting on October

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 1st.

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 All right.

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 Even better.

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 Thanks.

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 Appreciate that.

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 Please, for all of y'all, just to save yourselves future headaches, we're talking about a chapter

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 of the Master Plan, not the Trails Master Plan.

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 So again, this is all currently conceptual until you complete a comprehensive Master

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 Plan for each segment.

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 So the term trail plan keeps getting used.

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 That's not what this is yet.

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 So it will be available as part of the Master Plan, but it is not the set document yet of

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 what you're planning to do by full budget and timeline and everything.

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 Thank you, Dr. Walker.

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 That's very important.

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 Just a quick comment.

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 I'd like to thank Dr. Walker.

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 He's put a lot of hours into this, well beyond what his scope was.

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 And I know he's engaged his students, too, and used this as a learning opportunity for

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 them.

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 So that's great in addition to helping, you know, raise future professionals.

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 But I'd like to just thank him for everything he's done for us.

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 Okay.

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 Are you raising your hand or are you clapping, Alana?

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 Oh, you're clapping.

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 Can't tell they're close.

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 Okay.

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 No, any other questions, concerns, if not, let's move to the next agenda item.

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 Thank you, Rosa, for being here.

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 Rosario is here to talk about the absence policy for the city boards.

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 So I'm going to operate the PowerPoint for Rosa.

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 So Rosa, just tell me when you need to change the slides.

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 Can you see that?

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 Can you see that yet?

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 I don't see it displayed yet.

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 Okay, let me see your directory.

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 Let me reload it.

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 How's that?

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 Okay.

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 Well, it's in PowerPoint.

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 I mean, can you make it the slide, like the presentation view?

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 That'd be great.

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 All right.

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 All right.

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 Well, I really do appreciate the opportunity to come in and discuss the policy.

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 I know that there's always questions when something new comes up and then sometimes

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 when there's a delay on any certain issue or process that's in place, then it's the

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 best time to actually discuss it.

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 So to provide a little bit of background, the city council did look at amending the

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 attendance policy and subsequently adopted an ordinance back in January 28 of this year

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 that amended the policy.

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 Now I will say that there was discussion at a work session in September of 2019 where

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 they had the opportunity to come in and provide detailed input about maybe what the proposed

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 changes, if any, were to take place, but the results of the amendments again happened on

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 January 28th.

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 So the excuse absence criteria that you had been provided in, of course, is detailed here.

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 That in itself did not change.

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 Those were actually already in place, so nothing there changed.

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 The main change was that the city council, rather than the border commission, would excuse

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 an absence that does not fall within the excused absence criteria.

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 And then, of course, it provided a notification process that the board member could follow

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 and of course some direction for the city's secretary on how she should handle any requests

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 for basically an exemption or request that an absence be excused if it did not meet that

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 specific criteria.

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 So here, again, you see what the excused absence criteria is.

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 I'm not going to go ahead and read them, but they're detailed here.

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 Next slide.

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 So the notification requirement, which is required in order, again, to seek an excused

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 absence, would be that the member notify the city's secretary of their inability to attend

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 an upcoming meeting.

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 Now again, most times members are going to miss maybe one meeting, but let's just say

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 that summertime's coming or you're planning a family vacation that's going to be an extended

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 amount of time that could possibly encompass more than one meeting date, you would notify

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 my office of the upcoming absence.

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 And again, it's really important that you notify my office as soon as possible.

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 I know some members will notify the board liaison, but it's really important to not

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 cause any delay that you can include me in that notification or even just the city secretary's

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 office in general and I'll get it.

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 But the key is, again, that you provide that notice in advance and I'll go into a little

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 bit more detail here later.

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 An email will suffice.

470
00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:09,480
 You don't have to provide any supporting documentation, but you do need to state the purpose of your

471
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,300
 absence and it's accepted again at face value.

472
00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:16,880
 It's just strictly an honor system.

473
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:24,320
 And again, there's a note here that notifying of the absence after it has occurred delays

474
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,240
 the amount of time a member has to request it be excused if applicable and I'll go into

475
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,560
 a little bit more detail there.

476
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,220
 Next slide.

477
00:33:33,220 --> 00:33:40,960
 So after my office receives the notification of absence, I look at the criteria and determine

478
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,360
 whether or not it can be designated as an excused absence.

479
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:54,080
 And if it is excused, I notify basically everybody that's on that general email that the absence

480
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:59,320
 is excused and it will be important that when the time the meeting comes up that the chair

481
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,160
 announce that ex-member is absent, excused, you don't have to state the reason or anything

482
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,520
 like that, just that it was excused.

483
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,680
 Staff will have the backup documentation and of course so would I.

484
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,680
 In the event that the absence, back one slide please, I'm sorry.

485
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:21,960
 In the event that the absence is not excused, and the meeting happens, like in other words,

486
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,840
 you didn't really know, maybe it was just the last minute thing and the member didn't

487
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:30,640
 have the opportunity to notify anybody, then the chair should announce that the member

488
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:36,440
 is absent and for tracking purposes I do recommend that you make a mention that whether it's

489
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:41,280
 excused or not excused will be reported at a future date.

490
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,280
 Next slide.

491
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:52,880
 So to continue, so if the absence is excused, if the absence criteria is not, excused absence

492
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,840
 criteria is not met, then I'll promptly notify that member, typically it'll happen the same

493
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:03,360
 day and then they're given, it's a one sheet that kind of recaps the process I'm about

494
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:11,520
 to outline here, that if they want the absence or considered excused, that they have 10 days

495
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:17,120
 as of the date that the absence occurred to request from my office that I basically let

496
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:23,640
 City Council, give City Council the option to try and excuse that absence.

497
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:29,440
 And that is, that's the key as to why it's really very important that you notify in advance

498
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,680
 if at all possible or immediately after the absence has occurred.

499
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,920
 And then what I'll do is I'll place an item on the agenda to the, at the next possible

500
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,720
 agenda of course the Open Meeting Act has to be followed, but we'll place an item on

501
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:48,600
 the agenda, notifying the City Council that this member, you know, to go ahead and exempt

502
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,000
 the off, the absence if they so choose.

503
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,720
 Just to let everybody know, typically what we would use to let City Council know, we

504
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:02,800
 would provide them the email that the board member provided to explain what the absence

505
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,060
 is, should the needs, so the needs, should the need arise.

506
00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:08,320
 Next slide.

507
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:13,680
 So then the City Council meets and they consider the item and the final decision is to, you

508
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,480
 excuse the absence.

509
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:23,760
 You know, we'll let the, we'll let the liaison and the staff liaison and the board member

510
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,880
 know what the City Council final determination was, and it's important that that be reported

511
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,520
 in the minutes.

512
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,040
 Next slide.

513
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,160
 And actually, that's it.

514
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,320
 So what would happen, of course, that if the absence was not excused by the City Council,

515
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:46,360
 then that would need to also be reflected in your minutes, so.

516
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,360
 And that's basically the end.

517
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,420
 I know that at the time that the City Council discussed, you know, the criteria, and again,

518
00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:56,520
 although there wasn't any change to what was already there, was that there could be very,

519
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:03,760
 a variable amount of reasons why an absence could occur, that, I mean, the list could

520
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:04,760
 go on.

521
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,120
 And so they felt that if, that the list suffice and then that if there was anything outside

522
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:15,560
 of that, then we, my office would submit the request for it for an exception if the member,

523
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,760
 the board member, him or herself requested it.

524
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,400
 So I'll take any questions.

525
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:30,440
 So my question is, so let me just repeat what I think I heard you say.

526
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:41,920
 If I, my absence is unexcused, wait, if I send you an email saying why it's not, why

527
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:48,240
 I'm going to miss, and then it's, if it's not on that list, I have an opportunity to

528
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:52,680
 go through the City Council, correct?

529
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:58,000
 And I just send you an email and I send you an email and you send it to the City Council.

530
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:04,280
 Yes, so what I will do is when you send me that email, I will let you know that it, let's

531
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:09,000
 just say that it didn't meet the excuse criteria, but that you have the opportunity to request

532
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,800
 an exception from council.

533
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,720
 So you would respond in that email.

534
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:18,000
 I would let you know that you have 10 days to let me know to that, yes, I want council

535
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,000
 to consider my absence.

536
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:24,480
 And then I would move forward almost immediately at the next possible agenda to have it delayed.

537
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,800
 If by chance that absence happened maybe like before a big holiday break, then I would just

538
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,080
 schedule it as soon as possible thereafter.

539
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,400
 And if I did not receive that exception by those 10 days, then it would be too late for

540
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,560
 me to move it forward to City Council.

541
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:46,600
 Okay, well that helps because I was thinking that we had, as the individual had to connect

542
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:51,680
 with the City Council, we just, we need to send you the email, you send the email to

543
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,480
 Council and submit it to the agenda.

544
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:55,480
 Yes.

545
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,280
 And really what I would do is I would place an item on the agenda and give the City Council

546
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,960
 the heads up that I'm going to be placing this item on the agenda so that they know

547
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,320
 well in advance that it's coming.

548
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,760
 And if the member wanted to provide, you know, maybe a little bit more detail, again, keeping

549
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,320
 in mind that whatever you provide would be subject to the Open Records Act, then I would

550
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,720
 be happy to provide it to the City Council.

551
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:17,720
 Okay.

552
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:22,600
 Be it for one meeting or maybe an extended amount of time depending on what the need

553
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,400
 for the absence would be.

554
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,640
 Okay, I know there has been conversation about family matters.

555
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:35,720
 Can you talk to us about why that is not on the list of excused absence?

556
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:41,120
 We really did not get into maybe including that or not including that.

557
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:46,680
 The City Council, again, whenever we presented what the criteria was, they understood that,

558
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,880
 you know, there was a certain list of criteria.

559
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,380
 They did not feel that they needed to add to it.

560
00:39:51,380 --> 00:39:58,100
 But that if there was anything else that a board member felt should be, should be excused,

561
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:02,560
 then that board member could communicate it through my office to them that it be accepted.

562
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:08,640
 So we never really talked about can you include this, you know, this, you know, family obligation

563
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,240
 or anything like that specific.

564
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:17,720
 So we never really talked about that point being, you know, I guess an excused, possible

565
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:20,280
 excused absence.

566
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,160
 And is it possible we can get that added?

567
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,160
 Yes.

568
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,560
 If, you know, if you feel that that's necessary, I would definitely recommend that you take

569
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:35,960
 an official position that you are requesting that the City Council consider, you know,

570
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,640
 whether it's just that one or whatever the reason or reasons that you want to have considered

571
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,680
 as an excused absence.

572
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,400
 What I would do then is, you know, it would take not too much time, but it would take

573
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:53,600
 a little bit of time for me to go ahead and, you know, place an item on the City Council

574
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,080
 agenda to we would first discuss it with the agenda committee, obviously, because it needs

575
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,640
 to go on the agenda.

576
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,360
 And then we would present it to Council.

577
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,520
 But it's really it would be important that you as a board, the board as a whole, take

578
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,520
 that position.

579
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,480
 Now, you as an individual member, or anybody can certainly communicate with any member

580
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,760
 of the City Council or even your nominating Council member that they might maybe, you

581
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,240
 know, kind of present the option.

582
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:28,000
 There's a process for each City Council member to do like a one minute pitch of, you know,

583
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,160
 a policy change or something that the City Council want that they would like the City

584
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,560
 Council to consider.

585
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,560
 So you do have that option as well.

586
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,960
 You take it upon yourself to talk about the Council, to the Council member and see if

587
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:46,280
 maybe they perhaps are interested in kind of serving as, you know, kind of your speaker

588
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,840
 on that topic.

589
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:56,200
 Okay, so we would need to take a vote if we wanted to present that as an option to be

590
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,520
 added.

591
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,120
 Yes.

592
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,760
 If you want it to come from the board, because any direction from the board really needs to

593
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,160
 be a consensus, and you would want it clearly stated.

594
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,140
 For example, you could place an item on the agenda, you know, at the next time because

595
00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:12,680
 right now this is really just for discussion purposes.

596
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,920
 But if you reach some kind of a consensus, then you could do it as a consensus and, you

597
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,640
 know, we could also check with a City Attorney in case, you know, we have to do an official

598
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:27,320
 resolution or an ordinance from the board, but a lot of times the staff direction that

599
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,840
 we provide, that we receive is by a consensus of the Council and that's accepted.

600
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:41,000
 Okay, I'm sorry for interrupting, we're lucky to have the City Attorney with us today.

601
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,000
 Okay.

602
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,000
 Okay.

603
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:48,240
 So, do we need to put it to a vote today or do we need to discuss it as a board and then

604
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:53,600
 present it to you?

605
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:58,400
 I apologize, I don't know if you're actually posted for that today, Gary, can you speak

606
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,000
 to the posting?

607
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,560
 You're muted, Gary.

608
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:10,320
 The posting says, "Receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff input regarding

609
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,280
 the amendments to the Code of Ordinances as modified by 1928-66."

610
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:23,800
 Okay, so you can give, yes, you could.

611
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:29,520
 You could give staff that direction if you chose to do that.

612
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:30,520
 Okay.

613
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:37,320
 If I could maybe throw an input, maybe, unless there is a timely nature of this rather than

614
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,600
 us trying to rush a resolution in this meeting, maybe that's one we can bring back for a future

615
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,880
 meeting, unless there's a reason that we would need to rush it today.

616
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:53,920
 Yeah, let's put it on the next agenda.

617
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,200
 I'm okay with that.

618
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:02,560
 So, may I have a motion to table this or actually amend this?

619
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:10,360
 Well, we will just add a new agenda item about the absentee provision for our next meeting.

620
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,000
 May I have a motion for that, please?

621
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,760
 So moved.

622
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:17,760
 Second.

623
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:18,760
 Danona, second.

624
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:19,760
 I'm sorry.

625
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:27,280
 As a point of order, is that something that really needs a motion to pass to just simply

626
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,600
 request something for the next meeting?

627
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,720
 I'm not trying to disrupt the process, but I'm just trying to figure out if that's really

628
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:33,720
 actually necessary.

629
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:38,520
 Technically, I believe it could be in your information at the end, or that's the input

630
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:44,160
 that you're giving as a group to bring another and more formal item back on the agenda next

631
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,160
 time.

632
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,160
 Right.

633
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:51,560
 So, in our concluding items, we would just say, "Hey, we've had this discussion.

634
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,680
 Can we next time actually put this to a vote or make it a presentation with the intent

635
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,160
 to vote on this being changed?"

636
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,800
 You could do it that way.

637
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,800
 Okay.

638
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:07,640
 Or staff could take this discussion as sufficient input to put it back on the agenda next time.

639
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:08,640
 Okay.

640
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,560
 I think we have a clear vision.

641
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,840
 As do I.

642
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:15,840
 Okay.

643
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:16,840
 Okay.

644
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:24,040
 For a minute's purposes, what am I doing?

645
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,040
 Probably withdrawing it.

646
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,400
 We're going to add it at the end.

647
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,840
 That sounds good.

648
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:29,840
 Okay.

649
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,000
 Like an additional item for the next meeting.

650
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,960
 I mean, that's what we typically do every other meeting, so I think that would work

651
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:36,960
 out fine.

652
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,520
 And for housekeeping, for a minute's purposes, we do have a motion on the table.

653
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,160
 We might ... Whoever made that motion could potentially withdraw it if they felt they

654
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,160
 needed to.

655
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,160
 Yeah.

656
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,080
 I'll withdraw it until the end of the meeting.

657
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,080
 Okay.

658
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,280
 And, Denoni, you want to withdraw your second, I guess?

659
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,280
 Yes.

660
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,280
 Done.

661
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,480
 Do we need to vote on that?

662
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,800
 I've never been in this position.

663
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:03,800
 Okay.

664
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,800
 Good.

665
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:05,800
 All right.

666
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:14,500
 Any additional questions for Rosa while she's here?

667
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:15,500
 We have her.

668
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:16,500
 Let's pick her brain.

669
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:17,500
 Thank you so much for your time.

670
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:18,500
 All right.

671
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:20,880
 I have just a small question.

672
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,840
 I noticed that it said that we do contact the city secretary.

673
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,120
 I guess it didn't mention contacting your own committee as part of that, but I guess

674
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,960
 it's just assumed that you would be one of several people on an email chain.

675
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:33,960
 Is that correct?

676
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:38,800
 Yeah, so a city secretary, then we do have a deputy city secretary who acts in my state

677
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,040
 in my absence, and then an assistant city secretary.

678
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,720
 I didn't have that right, I guess, but from a committee standpoint, we would go ahead

679
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:49,680
 and put Frances and Gary and whoever else on that as well, right?

680
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,680
 Yes.

681
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,600
 It's usually me, Gary, Eddie, and Rosa.

682
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:55,600
 Okay.

683
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,600
 Just making sure.

684
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,720
 All right.

685
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:01,720
 Thank you, Rosa.

686
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:02,720
 You're so welcome.

687
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:03,720
 Really appreciate it.

688
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:04,720
 Thank you so much for your time.

689
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:05,720
 You take care.

690
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:11,520
 Next agenda item, receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff input regarding

691
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,560
 safety and security signage in the parks.

692
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:24,760
 All right, I'll let Gary pull that up, or do you just want to have a discussion?

693
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,720
 Yeah, there's no PowerPoint, it's just general discussion.

694
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:28,720
 Okay.

695
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:32,760
 So this was brought up a few months ago about safety signage in the park, and we did quite

696
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,440
 a bit of research on what different cities are doing for safety signs, and I did contact

697
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:43,560
 our GIS department along with our 911 dispatch department.

698
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:53,040
 So good news, our 911 dispatch has the ability to triangulate your location anytime you call

699
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,480
 them.

700
00:47:54,480 --> 00:48:00,120
 We also did some research on what it was going to cost to put these different signs up.

701
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,440
 City of Colleyville just did a project, they installed 36 signs.

702
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:10,440
 Based upon those 36 signs, it cost them $1,000 a sign, and it took a year and a half to completely

703
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:17,400
 put the signs in, GIS locate every single one of the locations, and put the QR codes

704
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:23,200
 on the signs so where you could scan that sign and be able to tell 911 dispatch exactly

705
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,400
 where you are.

706
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,560
 The city of Denton, like I said, does have that capability to triangulate your location,

707
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:36,360
 and that really gets you within a 3-meter radius, which is 9 feet, and 99% of the time

708
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,680
 they can find you if they can get within 9, 10 feet from you.

709
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:45,000
 So we kind of wanted to give some discussion with this board to really see where we wanted

710
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,380
 to move with that.

711
00:48:46,380 --> 00:48:48,840
 We did talk about signs in our trails plan.

712
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:55,340
 We do have a plan as these trails are constructed, and especially with Clear Creek, really updating

713
00:48:55,340 --> 00:48:57,680
 those signs at cross-sections.

714
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:04,240
 So if you've been to Clear Creek, if you're on Fisherman's Trail, and you come to the

715
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:08,800
 Prairie Trail, you'll have a sign to let you know you are here.

716
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,240
 So the majority of the time we have issues or there were issues in the past that we talked

717
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:18,960
 to sustainability with anyone getting lost in Clear Creek is they went around the trail's

718
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,800
 closed signs, or they left a marked trail.

719
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:27,960
 So they left a trail that is barely marked.

720
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,280
 There's crushed granite there, or you can really tell where the trail is, whether it's

721
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,840
 dirt or crushed granite or rock or anything that's out there at Clear Creek.

722
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,720
 And if you leave that trail, then you wander off in the woods, which you're highly discouraged

723
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:45,520
 if you go and especially if you read the signs when you first enter Clear Creek, please stay

724
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,840
 on the trails.

725
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,620
 That's for everyone's protection, not only like we spoke about a minute ago, environmentally,

726
00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:55,480
 but it's also for your protection for using those trails.

727
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,200
 So I'll leave it up to the discussion on kind of where we want to go with these just based

728
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,280
 upon that information that I just gave you, because I mean, we do have safety signage

729
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:08,880
 that we do want to install as these trails are built and of course update the trail signs

730
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,680
 that we already have for those locations or you are here where it shows you exactly where

731
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:21,400
 you are on those points.

732
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,640
 Are we open for questions?

733
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:34,000
 So I mean, I think what I'm hearing is sort of an implied sort of a leaning that the value

734
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,560
 might not totally be there for the signs, since we have other ways to triangulate the

735
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,560
 people.

736
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:44,060
 I mean, you mentioned the time it took to install and the fact that it would be $36,000

737
00:50:44,060 --> 00:50:49,360
 and I'm not exactly sure that I heard what that would net us if we already can do.

738
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,960
 I mean, if the point of the signs is we can tell people, hey, I'm at sign A and they have

739
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,640
 a record of where sign A is and they already have the ability to triangulate someone, it

740
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,800
 doesn't sound like there's a lot of value in having a sign.

741
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:02,800
 Is that?

742
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:03,800
 Yes, sir.

743
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:04,800
 That's why I wanted to bring that up.

744
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,160
 Okay, I just want to make sure I was understanding your point and I agree.

745
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:19,840
 I don't see a lot of value unless I just don't.

746
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:20,840
 Yes, Brooke.

747
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:27,000
 I was just going to say, I think the only value that they provide is kind of a false

748
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:32,560
 sense of security, maybe that, you know, that you have somebody that's in action or maybe

749
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,940
 they understand that they can call and be triangulated.

750
00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:43,960
 So I think if you go and make a big effort on the education piece of, hey, out here,

751
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,280
 you can actually call 911.

752
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:53,120
 They can find you and take away the fear that maybe is associated with that.

753
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:58,040
 And maybe that's something that would be appropriate for a larger sign at an entrance or a trailhead,

754
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,560
 you know.

755
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:08,080
 So I'm the person who asked for just some information about safety in the park.

756
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:15,800
 And like, so those signs don't really address kind of like what I was asking Brooke's idea

757
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:21,800
 of like having a sign that just says like, this is what you do if you lose your child

758
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:22,800
 near water.

759
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:29,080
 This is who you should call or I don't know, like the reason I brought it up is I was in

760
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:33,640
 a situation where I could not find a child and there's like three trails and all these

761
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,880
 bodies of water and I didn't know what to do.

762
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,320
 In my situation, it turned out fine, but I go to parks all the time and I've never thought

763
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,560
 about it before until I was in that moment of panic.

764
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:53,500
 And so I guess that's what I was, that was my original question is how are we going to

765
00:52:53,500 --> 00:53:01,760
 let parents know or anybody know who goes out there, like what to do in case of an emergency.

766
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,120
 And what if they don't have a phone or their phone is dead, the battery doesn't work or

767
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,120
 they lost their phone.

768
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,120
 I don't know.

769
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,120
 There could be a million things.

770
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,560
 Those are the kind of questions I have of concern.

771
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:13,560
 Okay.

772
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,840
 And I think we talked about that a little bit with our master plan and with call boxes

773
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,000
 of hopefully updating, you know, our parks whenever we finish our master plan.

774
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,400
 And of course all the funding is identified as maybe we, you know, install call boxes

775
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,800
 in different parks.

776
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,760
 And obviously anytime there's an emergency or something like that, that happens.

777
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,520
 The best thing to do would be to call 911.

778
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,480
 So you know, of course we get, you know, through our process, we could update those signs and

779
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,200
 obviously look into different types of call boxes for parks.

780
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:48,400
 I kept thinking that the answer to most of those questions that she was bringing as theoretical

781
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:53,160
 questions were call 911, call 911, call 911 until she got to the point of what if you

782
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:54,160
 don't have a phone.

783
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:59,960
 So I mean, it could be a little bit redundant if the answer was always call 911, but that

784
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:03,880
 was a good point if they don't have phones, you know, what's the best point of action

785
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:04,880
 too.

786
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,720
 Or like maybe you don't need to call 911 or they wouldn't be there fast enough.

787
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:11,520
 Like how do you know it's trail to go down?

788
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:19,320
 Like what's the, what's the best practice of like finding someone on a trail system?

789
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,400
 Like just some tips, maybe I don't know.

790
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,400
 Okay.

791
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:23,400
 I don't have the answer.

792
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,400
 I have no idea.

793
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,280
 I've thought about it.

794
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,560
 That's why I asked you guys, y'all are professionals.

795
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,000
 I have no idea.

796
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,560
 Those are really good concerns, Elana.

797
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,280
 So James, I saw you had your hands up.

798
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,280
 I'm sorry, Gary.

799
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:45,080
 I was just, I was just say at the crossroads, I just put not call 911 for emergencies.

800
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,240
 That's going to take care of 90% of the issues.

801
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:48,240
 Okay.

802
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:51,680
 For the other, the other 10%, put, put spot on your kid.

803
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:52,680
 That's a little advice.

804
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:57,840
 You can test your kid and it will follow the satellite will follow wherever your kid goes.

805
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,560
 So, and you can find them within a one meter radius.

806
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:02,560
 Okay.

807
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:07,320
 Is there a cost involved with that?

808
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,320
 Yes.

809
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:09,320
 Yeah.

810
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:10,320
 No, it's a little spot.

811
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:11,320
 They're called spots.

812
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:12,320
 A little.

813
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:13,320
 Yeah.

814
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,320
 I don't think that's probably going to be.

815
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:19,840
 And the other way to do it cheaply is, is they have we're on an Apple, at least an Apple,

816
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,280
 you can go in and change it.

817
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:28,400
 So it has it, if they have a cell phone with them, you can find them with your cell phone.

818
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,760
 I forgot the name of the application, but there's a bunch of them out there now.

819
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:33,760
 Yeah.

820
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,800
 But like two year olds, they don't have cell phones.

821
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:41,280
 And I would say the time when you lose your kid is the time that your phone has died and

822
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,280
 like everything.

823
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,320
 I mean, those are the times I feel I have been there, I feel you on that one.

824
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,080
 And it's the time you don't have the phone.

825
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:54,280
 And so I love the idea of like trail tips or something that, because people go out to

826
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,680
 these places and they think they know what they're doing.

827
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:57,680
 I've done it.

828
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:02,280
 So I'm the first to admit, be like, I'm outdoorsy and then I go out and I do something stupid.

829
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:08,120
 And so it would be nice as Texans to have like some tips for the weekend warrior.

830
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,720
 When that happens, you know what to do.

831
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:16,880
 And we have something at Parks Foundation, you could just use in marketing and stuff.

832
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:22,240
 I mean, I don't, that might be the best way to get the, yeah.

833
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:26,960
 And Drew, you mentioned call boxes, call boxes, you said in certain parks, will they be in

834
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,180
 all parks?

835
00:56:29,180 --> 00:56:34,720
 Of course we would look at that as all parks that was in, I meant certain sections of the

836
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:35,720
 park.

837
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:39,160
 Cause obviously something as big as South lakes, you would be, you know, four to five

838
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:44,080
 of those, depending on whether you're at the playground, you know, the South pond, the

839
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,760
 North pond, the football field, the Northern, yeah.

840
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:48,760
 And so on and so forth.

841
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:49,760
 So yes.

842
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:50,760
 Okay.

843
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:51,760
 Thank you for clarifying that.

844
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,440
 Yes.

845
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,640
 What other questions, concerns?

846
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:58,640
 Just to comment.

847
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:06,080
 I found the spot that I think James was talking about there on Amazon, they're $120.

848
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:13,760
 But obviously as technology changes, you know, I'm sure there'll be something that you can,

849
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,080
 you can put on your kid's belt or a watch or something like that, that down the road,

850
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,280
 you'll be able to track them.

851
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,320
 Cause I've been in that same situation where I turn your head for one second at a Rangers

852
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:28,920
 game and Carson's, you know, tearing down the, down the, the sidewalk or down the steps

853
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:29,920
 or whatever.

854
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,520
 Um, so I, I know exactly what you're talking about.

855
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:33,520
 Yeah.

856
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,080
 We lost one out of eight and Pike's peak one time.

857
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,440
 So I can relate out of eight kids, just takes one.

858
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,080
 And one time we went in van and I had five kids with him and I counted them all getting

859
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,200
 in the van and we got to the destination.

860
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,000
 As the kids go off the van, I recognize one of the kids as being one of my neighbor's

861
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,000
 kids.

862
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,000
 It wasn't my kid.

863
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:59,380
 You know, it's always a, you know, I know that panicky feeling understand.

864
00:57:59,380 --> 00:58:05,360
 So I think the, the immediate takeaway would be when we're looking at our master plan to

865
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:11,360
 look at call boxes, maybe around critical points, um, whether it's a body of water or

866
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:16,280
 even a, uh, a dark area in the Parker or, you know, whatever it would be, we can look

867
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:23,060
 at those locations and see what those costs are, um, and, and prioritize those, uh, you

868
00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:27,880
 know, around bodies of water seems to make the most sense, uh, as a, as a high pressure

869
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,560
 point for sure.

870
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,880
 Um, and kind of start, start from that point.

871
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,160
 Well, thank you, Gary.

872
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,480
 Any other concerns, questions?

873
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,280
 All right.

874
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:44,720
 That is not an action item.

875
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,400
 It's an informative item.

876
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:51,520
 The next agenda item, receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff input regarding

877
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:57,040
 the assessment and use of parkland dedication and park development fees.

878
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,640
 Hello everyone.

879
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:07,440
 It's been a while since we last talked about this item, um, and we actually were making

880
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:13,400
 really good progress on it up until about March and then took a pause.

881
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:18,520
 So we have jumpstarted this project and I want to start by giving just a little bit

882
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:25,000
 of background, a little bit of review if we can hit the next slide.

883
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:32,560
 So parkland dedication, also known as 915 and park development known as 916 are funds

884
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:41,800
 that developers pay into or dedicate land, um, through for new residential developments.

885
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:47,020
 And that's how, um, we actually, it's just another revenue source for us and being able

886
00:59:47,020 --> 00:59:53,880
 to keep up with new development and expand our parks and purchase a new land or even

887
00:59:53,880 --> 01:00:01,200
 update existing, uh, parks due to, uh, usage from new developments.

888
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:06,560
 So the current ordinance that we have right now was adopted in 1998 and has not been touched

889
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:07,560
 since.

890
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:15,480
 Uh, the land requirement is currently 2.5 acres for, uh, 1,000 or per 1,000 population

891
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,000
 of a new development.

892
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,080
 Uh, there's a number of dwelling units.

893
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:26,880
 They're also a part of the factor and the, uh, the actual dedication is based on single

894
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:33,240
 family or multifamily, uh, factors per dwelling unit.

895
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:41,440
 You can also pay a fee in lieu of land requirements, so if for whatever reason the, um, developer

896
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:47,440
 cannot or does not want to give land, they can pay a fee in lieu of that and it's based

897
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,800
 on the individual property value.

898
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:55,960
 So every single development or every single project would have its own fee based on that

899
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,440
 specific development.

900
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:06,120
 On the park development side, uh, the factors are currently based on a five acre park costing

901
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,980
 $208,000 to develop.

902
01:01:08,980 --> 01:01:15,040
 Of course we know that that is very low, uh, and has not been updated since then and it

903
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:21,520
 sets a fee for single family and multifamily, uh, developments as well.

904
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:27,120
 Both of these have a parameter for use of a half a mile to a one mile radius.

905
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:31,600
 We've talked a little bit about the challenges that this, um, can pose for us.

906
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,680
 Uh, number one, tracking is very difficult.

907
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:40,940
 The administrative side of that, uh, in being able to keep record of who's paying into what

908
01:01:40,940 --> 01:01:47,080
 development and then mapping that half mile to one mile radius is difficult.

909
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:53,920
 And then the other piece is that it's creating, um, kind of dead zones in our city.

910
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:59,520
 We've got areas that have seen little to no residential development and so they don't

911
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:06,280
 have access to that same kind of fund, uh, or special revenue as others do.

912
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:13,200
 And so instead of this money being driven by need, it's being driven by location.

913
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,680
 Where do we have money and how can we spend it within that half mile or mile radius, even

914
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,240
 though it may not really have a need for it.

915
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:26,840
 So under the proposed, uh, draft ordinance that, um, you have, we've updated several

916
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:27,840
 factors.

917
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,880
 Uh, number one, we've updated our demographics and the development costs specifically.

918
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:38,400
 And so again, we know now that the cost for developing our parks is much higher than $2,008

919
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,600
 for a five acre part.

920
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,800
 And so that we don't get behind in the future, we've built in a three year review.

921
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:49,800
 So every three years we would go back and we would re review the demographics that the

922
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:55,060
 ordinance is based on and make those updates to it.

923
01:02:55,060 --> 01:02:57,400
 This ordinance also establishes zones.

924
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:03,280
 So rather than having to spend the money within a perimeter or a certain radius, we've broken

925
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,240
 the city up into five different zones.

926
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:10,040
 And we'll be talking a little bit more about that and I'll show you, um, a map of that

927
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:15,920
 on the next slide in a minute, uh, so that any, uh, development within that zone, any

928
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:21,280
 residential development within that zone that pays into, uh, that zone, the money could

929
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,200
 be used within that zone.

930
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:29,000
 We also established a level of service, which is very important for the legal requirements

931
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,540
 that we have to meet.

932
01:03:30,540 --> 01:03:35,440
 And I'll get into detail on the next couple of slides in that the proposed ordinance also

933
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,480
 sets fees for each zone.

934
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:43,240
 So it's no longer dependent on the individual development will actually have set fees and

935
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:47,960
 the developer will know if they're building in a certain zone, they'll know what that

936
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:52,240
 be in lieu of is, uh, they'll know what the land requirement is.

937
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,720
 And they'll also know what the park development fee is.

938
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:04,000
 And this entire draft ordinance that you have was actually based on a collaboration between

939
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:11,000
 our department and Dr. John Crompton, uh, we've also, Dr. John Crompton is with the

940
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:17,280
 Texas A and M university and has extensive background in this area and is within the

941
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:24,200
 park industry, um, known as kind of the Godfather of this particular, um, topic.

942
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:30,800
 Uh, we've also made several presentations to a larger developments group, uh, our development

943
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:37,400
 services department originally was holding monthly meetings, um, town hall meetings with

944
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:44,000
 developers and so we've presented to them and from that group, we established a smaller

945
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:51,560
 focus group of developers and we have about, uh, anywhere from 10 to 12, uh, representatives

946
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:58,160
 from eight different development groups that have been, uh, going through the old ordinance

947
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:03,000
 with us and helping us draft the new proposed ordinance.

948
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,280
 And, uh, we've, we've got, uh, that's been a really great process to work through with

949
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,640
 them.

950
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,640
 Next slide.

951
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:21,400
 So for the legal background, there are two Supreme court cases that are specific to park

952
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,280
 dedication and park development.

953
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:31,720
 The first one, uh, establishes a nexus principle that essentially says anything that is paid

954
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:37,560
 into either one of these funds has to be tied to the new residential development that's

955
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,280
 paying into it.

956
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:45,360
 So it's, it's got to be located within proximity to the new development and that's really the

957
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:52,360
 only guidelines that were given and again, the funds deposited within each zone or area

958
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:59,680
 had to be expended within that same zone or area and that again goes to the proximity.

959
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:06,240
 The next Supreme court case actually took it a step further and they established a rough

960
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:12,760
 proportionality test and they said that there has to be a connection between the imposed

961
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:21,080
 requirements of the development and the park use that we are projecting or will result

962
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,880
 because of that new development.

963
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:30,600
 Uh, because this is much more specific and says we have to have this specific connection,

964
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,440
 we have to take an individual approach.

965
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:39,320
 So we can't benchmark, for example, we can't say what are the, you know, cities around

966
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,280
 us doing us, what do they charge?

967
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:47,880
 And then come up with a fee schedule based on those comparative cities.

968
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:55,920
 We have to have an individual approach that shows how that development is impacting our

969
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,760
 city.

970
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:03,640
 It also assumes that new residents will require the same level of service as the existing

971
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:04,640
 residents.

972
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:11,520
 And to meet all of these requirements under this new rough rough proportionality test,

973
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,000
 we have to determine a level of service.

974
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,340
 So we have to know what's on the ground today.

975
01:07:17,340 --> 01:07:19,400
 What is that level of service?

976
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:24,480
 How do we provide that to the new residents coming in?

977
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:29,080
 And that gives us our individual approach.

978
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,640
 Next slide.

979
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,920
 So how do we determine a level of service?

980
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:39,840
 Well, what we did is we started with a road impact, uh, fee map.

981
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:45,360
 It already had the city broken out into zones, but as we started to look at it, there were

982
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,580
 some inequities within each zone.

983
01:07:48,580 --> 01:07:56,240
 So we modified it just a bit and we took several other factors into consideration.

984
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:00,000
 We also looked at identified needs.

985
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:05,120
 Where do we currently have projected growth?

986
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:11,760
 We took maps from our development services group and imported them kind of a layer in

987
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:17,100
 our GIS map to see where new development was going to be coming in.

988
01:08:17,100 --> 01:08:24,600
 For instance, um, E zone E is where ropes and ranch is located.

989
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:29,480
 And that's about the only residential development in that entire zone.

990
01:08:29,480 --> 01:08:36,520
 And while on the surface it looks, you know, it sways the other zones.

991
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:41,800
 We do know that there's going to be major development coming within that zone in the

992
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:49,120
 next five years that will balance it out or make it more equal to the other zones.

993
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:54,320
 So we looked at all of those and in those, um, calculation factors, we looked at the

994
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,440
 population within each service area.

995
01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:03,560
 We looked at the existing acres of park in each service area or park land.

996
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:09,920
 We took the average price per, actually, this is, sorry, this still says acre, but we actually

997
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:15,260
 took the average price per parcel in each service area.

998
01:09:15,260 --> 01:09:22,940
 So we looked at all of the residential parcels within DCAD and took those values and came

999
01:09:22,940 --> 01:09:25,600
 up with an average for each zone.

1000
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:31,880
 And then we updated our cost to develop a park and we based it off two recent projects

1001
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:38,080
 to come up with that for our development fee.

1002
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:43,800
 So once we map that, we'll use zone A as an example.

1003
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:50,640
 We have a population of 35,000 people, almost 36,000.

1004
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:58,800
 Within zone A, we have 117, just under 118 park acres.

1005
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:11,360
 We have 5,700 residential parcels within that zone for a total land value of about $437

1006
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:14,580
 million.

1007
01:10:14,580 --> 01:10:21,680
 We took those factors and we were able to come up with our service level, which is,

1008
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:32,480
 if you can look at the map, 108 dwelling units per park acres.

1009
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:45,800
 So we have 108 residents or residential parcels for every park acre in that zone.

1010
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:56,120
 We took that calculation across to the other zones.

1011
01:10:56,120 --> 01:11:06,840
 So from that calculation, now we have an established land dedication fee in lieu of and also land

1012
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,880
 requirement.

1013
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:19,540
 So a developer coming in would have to give us one acre for every 108 dwelling units built

1014
01:11:19,540 --> 01:11:28,080
 within that development or pay $698 per dwelling unit.

1015
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:33,320
 We take that across each zone, again, based on that service level.

1016
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:45,440
 So B is one park acre for every 139 developments and so forth.

1017
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:53,680
 So if we take a 300 dwelling unit development, we did a little comparison under the current

1018
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:59,200
 calculations, what that would look like, and under the proposed calculations, what that

1019
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,160
 would look like.

1020
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:07,280
 And remember, under the current calculations, we have to look at each individual parcel.

1021
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:13,960
 This is a couple of years old, but this was the Selwyn Platte, essentially.

1022
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:20,280
 It has three different parcels related to that development or that proposed development

1023
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:21,720
 at the time.

1024
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:29,920
 So we took the acres of land there, the value, a DCAD value for each individual parcel, and

1025
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:35,240
 then we do a per acre value under the current ordinance.

1026
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:40,880
 We worked the calculation on that, and we have a park dedication of 2.1 acres, and then

1027
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:45,480
 we have a fee in lieu of $99,000.

1028
01:12:45,480 --> 01:12:51,640
 Under the current proposal, looking at those values for zone A that we've now set based

1029
01:12:51,640 --> 01:13:02,040
 on a service level, we would have a park dedication of 2.76 acres and a fee in lieu of $2009,000.

1030
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:06,040
 I'm sorry, $209,000.

1031
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:17,000
 Ooh, somebody was about to get a good deal there, huh?

1032
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:21,280
 Taking the same concept over to park development fee.

1033
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:26,680
 The current calculation, $208,000 for a five acre park.

1034
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:34,600
 It has a set fee of $291 for a single family dwelling unit and a set fee of $187 for a

1035
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:39,080
 multifamily dwelling unit.

1036
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:46,800
 These factors were based on a HUD calculation that at one time set the number of people

1037
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:53,960
 per dwelling unit for a single family residential home and a multifamily residential home.

1038
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:55,680
 They no longer do that.

1039
01:13:55,680 --> 01:14:03,440
 They just now have one factor, which is 2.8, 2.8 people per household.

1040
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:08,400
 They no longer distinguish between single family and multifamily.

1041
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,200
 That's the current calculation.

1042
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:16,400
 Under the proposed calculation, again, we have updated those costs for a four acre park.

1043
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:22,320
 We're looking at approximately $1.3 million to develop it.

1044
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:30,360
 For a community park of 12.5 acres, about $5 million to develop.

1045
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:36,820
 Just out of due diligence, we took some of the same bids and cost factors that we were

1046
01:14:36,820 --> 01:14:43,600
 using for the neighborhood and community parks and estimated what a 50 acre city park would

1047
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:48,040
 look like and that's just under $8 million.

1048
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:52,440
 The other reason why we wanted to include city park is under the new ordinance, we are

1049
01:14:52,440 --> 01:15:00,520
 proposing that we take 10% of any fee that's paid and put it towards a city park.

1050
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:06,360
 Right now under the current ordinance, we can only use any fees that are paid into the

1051
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,720
 programs for neighborhood parks.

1052
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:16,120
 But we know that residents, even new development, will eventually use our city parks, so there's

1053
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:20,000
 an impact to usage on the city parks as well.

1054
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:25,120
 One of the challenges with the current ordinance is that you may live across the street from

1055
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:31,320
 a parcel that's a community park or a city park just because it's more than 20 acres

1056
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:41,040
 and a neighborhood park is classified as between 5 and 20 acres.

1057
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:47,880
 Just because the property across the street from you is 25 acres, we can't use the money

1058
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:52,920
 from the development that you're building your house in towards that park, it has to

1059
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,840
 be used in another location.

1060
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:59,240
 I don't think that was the intention of how that was written, but it's an outcome and

1061
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:04,760
 it's a challenge because to you as a resident, that property across the street, which may

1062
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:09,440
 be North Lakes, is your neighborhood park because it's right across the street.

1063
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:13,280
 You may have to go a mile away to go to what you would classify as a neighborhood park

1064
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:17,840
 where that money would be invested, so that's a little bit of a challenge right now in how

1065
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,080
 that ordinance is written.

1066
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:24,280
 So just a little bit of background.

1067
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:31,200
 So based on the neighborhood and community park costs, we have an average now of $355,000

1068
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,720
 per acre.

1069
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:41,360
 So again, big difference, big update between the current cost to develop a park and the

1070
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,480
 cost of the current ordinance.

1071
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:47,600
 Next slide.

1072
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:56,000
 So we've established a fee within each zone, again, we have $3,269 per dwelling unit in

1073
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:02,280
 zone A, and then you can see the cost for the zones going out.

1074
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:07,960
 You'll notice immediately, well, number one, there's a huge jump in that cost, right?

1075
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:13,680
 We're going from a low of $197 for multifamily residential, which we wouldn't have anymore,

1076
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:24,600
 but still roughly $300 now to a low of $3,000 almost, or I'm sorry, $2,929.

1077
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:30,320
 But across even these zones, you'll see a big swing from that low under zone B to a

1078
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:36,080
 high under zone D of $6,243.

1079
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:41,440
 So the contributing factors to those, again, are the differences in population, the differences

1080
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:47,680
 in the number of park acres within each zone, and then a major difference is the land value

1081
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,040
 within each zone.

1082
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,960
 Next slide.

1083
01:17:52,960 --> 01:18:00,280
 Again, another scenario on a $300 dwelling unit development.

1084
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:05,720
 Under the current ordinance, we would have those two separate fees, and the cost based

1085
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:16,080
 on the number of dwelling units, $300, would be $87,000 for single family, $56,000 for

1086
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:17,960
 multifamily.

1087
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:23,920
 Under the proposed ordinance, you see how those significantly increase.

1088
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,880
 Excuse me.

1089
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:35,480
 So for zone A, at that proposed fee, we would have a development fee of just under, well,

1090
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:42,880
 $980,000 for 300 units.

1091
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:50,280
 The bottom table will show you what that collective cost is if a developer was going to pay the

1092
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:57,480
 fee in lieu of plus their park development fee, what those two costs together would be

1093
01:18:57,480 --> 01:19:01,840
 per dwelling unit.

1094
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,840
 Next slide.

1095
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,760
 So we have a couple of options.

1096
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:12,640
 Obviously, this was a sticker shock for all of us.

1097
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,360
 We knew there was going to be an increase.

1098
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,000
 How much of an increase?

1099
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:21,360
 Really, we didn't know until we started working those numbers.

1100
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:30,140
 So for the developers group who just experienced, frankly, increases in other development fees,

1101
01:19:30,140 --> 01:19:33,380
 this was a major concern for them.

1102
01:19:33,380 --> 01:19:41,000
 So we started looking at other ways, other methods or options that we would have in assessing

1103
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,680
 these fees.

1104
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:51,800
 And again, if our foundation, our level of service is in place, then we can work with

1105
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:55,260
 the numbers from that point forward.

1106
01:19:55,260 --> 01:20:03,080
 And what I mean by that is that we could take that established fee and do an average of

1107
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:04,080
 it.

1108
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,840
 We could do a percentage of it.

1109
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:08,320
 We can phase it in.

1110
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:17,240
 There are a number of ways that we could work with those factors, those fee, the established

1111
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:22,960
 fees, if we maintain the basis of level of service.

1112
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:27,080
 If that's our baseline.

1113
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:34,800
 So one of the, I guess, options that we have that was discussed and was actually proposed

1114
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:44,560
 by one of the developers is averaging out the costs or the factors that get us to our

1115
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:45,560
 costs.

1116
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:50,920
 And what this would do is balance out those ranges.

1117
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:58,400
 And there's a combination of increasing them in some zones and decreasing them in others.

1118
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:09,680
 But if we average our factors for park dedication, we go from a proposed fee in zone A from $698

1119
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,480
 to 392.

1120
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:16,720
 And we wanted to assess what our cost recovery is.

1121
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:23,720
 Assuming that the proposed numbers are 100% cost recovery because we haven't modified

1122
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:30,800
 those and they're based on those original factors, if we average, let's say, the population,

1123
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:38,440
 if we average the cost of the residential homes and we come up with this new average

1124
01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:43,120
 number, what now does that do to our cost recovery?

1125
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:51,320
 So we have a low of a cost recovery of 48% in zone E to a high of 82% in zone B for those

1126
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:52,320
 averages.

1127
01:21:52,320 --> 01:22:02,120
 But you can also see that it's really evened out those fee factors within each zone.

1128
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:10,520
 So now we have a high of 628 and a low of 306, which is a range of about $300.

1129
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:18,320
 Originally, we had a range that was closer to about $700.

1130
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:22,740
 On the development side, we did the same thing.

1131
01:22:22,740 --> 01:22:25,000
 We have the proposed fee.

1132
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:30,400
 We looked to see what that fee would be at 60%.

1133
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,120
 You can see those factors there.

1134
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:41,200
 We also averaged that established a flat fee of $3,484.

1135
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:48,640
 You see the cost recoveries for some zones were over 100% because it went over what the

1136
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:56,000
 proposed fee using the original factors would be and then in other areas it went below 100%.

1137
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:00,960
 And then we took that average at 60%.

1138
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:07,240
 The reason why we started looking at a 60% fee is because the city of Fort Worth charges

1139
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:17,240
 60% of their baseline and with the intent of increasing it, it's a phased in approach.

1140
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:22,680
 If we did something like that and we started at 60%, we would actually have two review

1141
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:31,320
 periods before we got to that 100% and it would take six years to fully implement or

1142
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:40,560
 realize 100% cost recovery, but it worked nicely just with the three-year review process.

1143
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:44,680
 Again, this could be 20%.

1144
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:55,960
 It could be 80% as long as the baseline is there.

1145
01:23:55,960 --> 01:24:01,420
 So our options moving forward and that we've been discussing with the smaller developers

1146
01:24:01,420 --> 01:24:07,000
 focus group is the full cost recovery, which we've outlined.

1147
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,320
 That's the actual proposed document.

1148
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:15,840
 We have our averaging option, which reduces fees overall.

1149
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:23,160
 It closes the range of fees between zones for the fee in lieu of, and it produces a

1150
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:26,440
 flat fee for the dedication.

1151
01:24:26,440 --> 01:24:30,600
 It also provides some equity between each zone.

1152
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,880
 We can do a combination of the two.

1153
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:41,200
 We can use the original dedication fee in lieu of and combine it with the averaging

1154
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:46,500
 option of the park development fee.

1155
01:24:46,500 --> 01:24:49,440
 We also have the option to do a phased implementation.

1156
01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:55,400
 Again, if we began at 60%, we increase it by 10% each year.

1157
01:24:55,400 --> 01:25:06,920
 We reach 100% at year six of implementation and we'll have two good reviews of those factors

1158
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:08,080
 in between.

1159
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:14,740
 So they'll be updated throughout this process.

1160
01:25:14,740 --> 01:25:23,120
 I can tell you, Gary, if you want to go back to those proposed fee, this one, yes.

1161
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:31,840
 The developers really like the averaging option at 60%.

1162
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:41,000
 The sweet spot for them is 2000 to 2500 for fees.

1163
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:49,120
 And so if you take that averaging at 60% option for park development and you add the average

1164
01:25:49,120 --> 01:26:00,400
 option for park dedication, you hit that spot, you hit that target.

1165
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,600
 And that's really where we are today.

1166
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:06,840
 We met with the developer group last Friday.

1167
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:13,160
 The purpose of the meeting was really just to catch up with them, review the proposed

1168
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:14,640
 ordinance.

1169
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:21,000
 We're also working on a handbook that's a supplemental manual that has the specifications

1170
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,380
 for park development.

1171
01:26:23,380 --> 01:26:28,880
 So if a developer wants to come in and develop the park themselves, we have very specific

1172
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:38,240
 requirements for that park development that fall in line with our long-term master plan.

1173
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:48,280
 You can't ask them to develop a park per the new master plan or the proposed master plan

1174
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:53,120
 because that's not the level of service that's on the ground today.

1175
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:58,700
 It has to be comparable to what you see in today's parks.

1176
01:26:58,700 --> 01:27:10,120
 But we can still impose specific requirements to help get us to those new kind of benchmarks

1177
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:14,600
 that we're wanting to hit under the master plan.

1178
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:21,240
 Some other really, I think, creative things that we've added is the opportunity to do

1179
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:28,800
 more development agreements that's actually written into the ordinance.

1180
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:33,640
 So if we've got a development that's coming in and we want to sit down with them and talk

1181
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:39,400
 to them about what their parks are going to look like, their trail systems, any other

1182
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:45,080
 amenities, we can do that separately in a development agreement.

1183
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,160
 Cole Hunter Ranch is a great example of that.

1184
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:55,640
 And Gary and Drew are working on other projects, too, that can help us achieve some of our

1185
01:27:55,640 --> 01:28:00,840
 master plan projects through a development agreement.

1186
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:10,080
 So we could actually get more out of a development agreement than strictly following the park

1187
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:16,500
 land dedication and park development factors that would be written in this ordinance.

1188
01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:22,680
 The one thing just to add to what Laura had commented on is that came out from our developers,

1189
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,360
 this only addresses residential parcels.

1190
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:30,600
 It does not consider the commercial parcels or retail, any industrial, any of that type

1191
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,300
 of thing.

1192
01:28:32,300 --> 01:28:42,200
 So what we would do and have an option for is if we wanted a parcel that was zoned commercial

1193
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:48,680
 that let's say it's behind a Walgreens that would be a good place to put a trailhead for

1194
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:54,800
 an area, we could use that instead of a piece of land that they were going to give us that

1195
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,620
 maybe didn't have any value to us.

1196
01:28:56,620 --> 01:29:02,560
 So we can address those types of situations where we're being more creative with the developer

1197
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:07,800
 because say the developer may say, I need that space to put houses where I can make

1198
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:13,040
 my money and then we could say, well, we need this commercial property that you have that

1199
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:17,400
 would be more valuable for us as a trailhead for a neighborhood.

1200
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:26,160
 So that allows us to be a little more creative with that type of opportunity as similar to

1201
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,520
 what Laura just stated.

1202
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:33,680
 So the proposed ordinance is really killing a lot of birds with one stone.

1203
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:37,320
 Again, updating is a major factor.

1204
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:43,280
 The legal compliance is another major factor because our current ordinance just isn't getting

1205
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:44,560
 us there.

1206
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:51,880
 And then some of the lessons learned since 1998 are all things that are also being addressed.

1207
01:29:51,880 --> 01:30:00,040
 Again, something like the proximity and creating those donuts of no funding within our city

1208
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:08,480
 and reversing that drive back to need rather than location for using these funds, which

1209
01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:13,160
 is the original intent, are all things that we're addressing.

1210
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:18,460
 Going back and updating the specifications for development.

1211
01:30:18,460 --> 01:30:23,880
 If a developer was going to either donate or develop their own park, that needed to

1212
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:24,880
 be done.

1213
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,660
 So all of those things are updated.

1214
01:30:27,660 --> 01:30:35,600
 Something else really quick, under the current ordinance, any funding that we receive has

1215
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,680
 to be spent within 10 years.

1216
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:48,080
 And if it's not spent, then the developer has one year to come back and ask for reimbursement.

1217
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:55,960
 To my knowledge, there's been one developer that has initiated that clause.

1218
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:59,800
 And it was several years ago.

1219
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:00,960
 And I don't know the details.

1220
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:02,800
 That's just my understanding.

1221
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:08,220
 But in this current ordinance, we have looked at reducing that time to seven years.

1222
01:31:08,220 --> 01:31:14,720
 I know that seems a little bit of an odd number, but it's almost a compromise.

1223
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:19,040
 We're wanting to let the developers know that this money is being used.

1224
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:24,240
 And not only the developers who are actually paying in, but the residents who should be

1225
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:31,960
 benefiting from this money, letting them know that we are working as quickly and as diligently

1226
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:39,080
 as possible to make these improvements and to make sure that these parks are, you know,

1227
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,620
 they're keeping up with the need.

1228
01:31:41,620 --> 01:31:45,320
 But it also gives us the wiggle room that we need.

1229
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:52,840
 Let's say if we have a bond program that's over five years, you know, we might ask for

1230
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:57,760
 one specific element to be funded through a bond program.

1231
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:04,120
 And then we can supplement amenities using 915 or 916 funding.

1232
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:13,800
 So that gives us, again, that extra cushion to plan out for bond projects or major construction

1233
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:14,800
 projects.

1234
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,660
 Those can take a couple of years, as y'all know.

1235
01:32:17,660 --> 01:32:21,900
 So that's where we've landed on the seven years.

1236
01:32:21,900 --> 01:32:26,480
 Just to tie in with what Laura's talking about there and kind of what you see on the screen

1237
01:32:26,480 --> 01:32:30,880
 in regards to cost recovery, and I need to actually take this down.

1238
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:37,640
 In regards to cost recovery, if you think about it now, we're talking even at the 60%

1239
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:44,280
 in six-year rollup, anywhere between, you know, 48 to 82%.

1240
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:50,560
 Right now, based on the cost to construct the park, our formula is based off of $208,000

1241
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:59,800
 for a five-acre park, and it's $1.5 million for a similar park size.

1242
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:07,080
 So that's right now, at full pay, we're at 20% cost recovery, and we're not getting full

1243
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:08,200
 pay.

1244
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:12,960
 So we only have a little bit of money in a lot of places.

1245
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:20,080
 There's a couple locations across the city that we have a large lump of 915, 916 funding,

1246
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:23,280
 and that's like near the McKenna property.

1247
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:27,920
 And we're doing improvements to that park that's going to utilize that funding.

1248
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:34,200
 But there are some areas where we may have, you know, $5,000 in funding sitting there,

1249
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:36,640
 and that's not going to build a neighborhood park.

1250
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:38,840
 It's not even going to build a one-acre park.

1251
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:44,240
 So that's part of the challenge of having these based off of one-mile radius around

1252
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:51,200
 a geographic area, as opposed to a zone where we can lump funds together and build some

1253
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:52,400
 parks.

1254
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:58,840
 So even at the 60%, we're coming up way ahead to where we were at before.

1255
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:04,360
 Obviously, you know, I think the concern is developers pay their way.

1256
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:10,500
 There's a lot of discussion about that with the Hunter and Cole Ranch meetings with City

1257
01:34:10,500 --> 01:34:13,920
 Council when we were working on that.

1258
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:20,080
 They are currently planning to build parks above the cost of what they're required to

1259
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:21,480
 do.

1260
01:34:21,480 --> 01:34:28,000
 In Razor Ranch, which is the next topic for discussion, they are spending, I don't know,

1261
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:33,460
 three or four times more than they're required to do by ordinance at their choosing.

1262
01:34:33,460 --> 01:34:37,480
 So there's a lot of developers that are actually paying more than they're required to, and

1263
01:34:37,480 --> 01:34:42,040
 that's just because that's what it costs to build those properties.

1264
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:46,040
 So we're fortunate to have that, but that's just a little background on the cost recovery

1265
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:51,160
 thought process.

1266
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:52,160
 Any questions?

1267
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:55,360
 I know it's a lot of information again, and I know we haven't talked about it in a while.

1268
01:34:55,360 --> 01:35:04,120
 And while it looks really complicated, walking through the actual fee calculations gets us

1269
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:06,160
 there is pretty easy.

1270
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:07,880
 George has his hand up.

1271
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:08,880
 Yeah.

1272
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:10,960
 First off, thank you, Laura, for that presentation.

1273
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:12,560
 I love me some good math.

1274
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:14,480
 That was fun.

1275
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:19,240
 So it sounds like, and I just want to maybe ask this in a really simple way because I

1276
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:25,360
 want to clarify that by increasing this percentage that we're becoming, I guess, a little more

1277
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:31,320
 competitive in what we're asking developers to give in terms of helping us to have more

1278
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:33,600
 funding per se.

1279
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:34,960
 Is that correct so far?

1280
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:35,960
 Yes.

1281
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:36,960
 Okay, awesome.

1282
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:43,920
 I'm 100% behind this, and I love the explanation of different types of parks, sizes of parks.

1283
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:50,960
 I have a question about the drafted ordinance, the recommendation.

1284
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:56,680
 It says in Section 2245, right to refund, it's a five-year period.

1285
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:57,680
 Am I reading that wrong?

1286
01:35:57,680 --> 01:35:59,440
 Is it supposed to be seven?

1287
01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:04,060
 Well, we've gone back and forth, and I need to update that.

1288
01:36:04,060 --> 01:36:05,060
 It should be seven.

1289
01:36:05,060 --> 01:36:06,600
 I think that's where we've landed now.

1290
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:15,480
 We reduced it to five, but then again, just having gone through the bond process, if we've

1291
01:36:15,480 --> 01:36:21,280
 got money that's not scheduled to be sold for five years, and we're wanting to buy park

1292
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:28,840
 land, and then we're wanting to use development money to put in this infrastructure, that's

1293
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:30,080
 not going to work.

1294
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:36,440
 So under this current bond program, again, we've got money for land, but if we want to

1295
01:36:36,440 --> 01:36:41,280
 use the development piece, the 9/16 money, the timing's going to be off.

1296
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:44,040
 So we're going to extend that to seven.

1297
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:45,040
 I agree.

1298
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:48,200
 Yeah, I want to make sure that you guys have access to those funds for as long as you really

1299
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:52,200
 need them, because it's right, you don't want to go too far and wait too long, and all these

1300
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:54,920
 developers are like, "Where are these parks that you guys said you were going to use this

1301
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:55,920
 money for?"

1302
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:59,040
 And on the other side, it's bonds haven't come through, we haven't had time to access

1303
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:00,040
 this money.

1304
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:04,440
 I just wanted to make sure that we gave ourselves enough time, so I'm glad that it's seven.

1305
01:37:04,440 --> 01:37:07,160
 Yeah, I also agree with the 60% method.

1306
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:13,920
 I feel like it's both competitive and it meets the needs of what the revised ordinance would

1307
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:15,480
 bring to the table.

1308
01:37:15,480 --> 01:37:22,200
 So that would kind of be where I'm at, is with the 60% model, because it both is attractive

1309
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:27,000
 to developers who want to bring in development here, but it's also attractive to the staff

1310
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:28,760
 who wants to have more income.

1311
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:29,760
 And that's all I have to say about that.

1312
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:30,760
 Thank you so much for this presentation.

1313
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:33,680
 That was a lot, but I learned a lot reading that.

1314
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:36,200
 Thank you, George.

1315
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:37,840
 David, I see your hand.

1316
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:42,520
 Yeah, I wanted to talk a little bit about that period as well.

1317
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:46,480
 I thought that was a pretty good place of compromise because I don't think we're really

1318
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:51,200
 giving up much, but it shows that we're coming off of some hard lines that don't really affect

1319
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:53,440
 us anyway, or they shouldn't affect us anyway.

1320
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:59,800
 And I think one net positive of that is when you're delaying out tenures, if you look at

1321
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:07,160
 a city council or a board in a ten-year period, directions change and priorities change, and

1322
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:11,160
 keeping a tighter schedule will probably keep things moving a little bit better anyway.

1323
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:15,840
 The one question I think I had, and it was kind of follow-up to the 60%, I think the

1324
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:20,960
 60% number makes sense, but what I think I heard was an incremental scheduling of increasing

1325
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:24,880
 that to 100, I guess?

1326
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:29,960
 That's what we're saying in every two years or every three years, would it make sense

1327
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:33,960
 to make that more gradual and just so it's not as much of a sticker shock on developers?

1328
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:42,600
 Yeah, so we're looking at 10% a year, and so first year, obviously 60%, second year,

1329
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:48,400
 70%, year three would be at 80%, and that's going to be a review year.

1330
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:58,320
 And then after the review, we would essentially reset at that 80%, then 90%, 100%, and then

1331
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:02,840
 the third year, we would reset 100%.

1332
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:03,840
 Does that make sense?

1333
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:08,440
 I'm not going to claim I totally understand that, but yeah, okay.

1334
01:39:08,440 --> 01:39:09,440
 It's based on land.

1335
01:39:09,440 --> 01:39:10,440
 It's based on property values.

1336
01:39:10,440 --> 01:39:11,440
 Oh, I understand.

1337
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:12,440
 Okay.

1338
01:39:12,440 --> 01:39:15,520
 And not just property values, but it's based on population.

1339
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:21,520
 It's based on residential parcels within each zone, and it's based on the land value.

1340
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:26,480
 It's also based on the level of service is also based on the number of park acres in

1341
01:39:26,480 --> 01:39:27,700
 each zone.

1342
01:39:27,700 --> 01:39:33,600
 So if we have new parks there or we've added to existing parks, which we've done over the

1343
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:38,200
 last three years, then that number will change as well.

1344
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:45,600
 So we'll actually have one year at 100%, and then the second year, which would be year

1345
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:47,540
 six, is another review year.

1346
01:39:47,540 --> 01:39:49,760
 So we would reset at 100%.

1347
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:50,760
 Okay.

1348
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:51,760
 Thank you.

1349
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:52,760
 Thanks.

1350
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:53,760
 I'm sorry.

1351
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:54,760
 Were you done, David?

1352
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:55,760
 I was just thinking.

1353
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:56,760
 I said it totally makes sense.

1354
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:57,760
 So thank you.

1355
01:39:57,760 --> 01:39:58,760
 You answered my question.

1356
01:39:58,760 --> 01:39:59,760
 Okay.

1357
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:00,760
 Thank you, Laura.

1358
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:10,520
 And for the sake of time, we only have 15 minutes left, and I want to thank you for

1359
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:14,320
 all the detail because it did make it much clearer for me.

1360
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:19,200
 I read it and thought I understood it, but your explanation drove it home.

1361
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:20,200
 Thank you.

1362
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:21,200
 Thank you so much.

1363
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:22,200
 It's so good to see you.

1364
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:23,200
 Thank you.

1365
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:24,200
 Okay.

1366
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:29,660
 Our next item, Receiver Report Holder Discussion and Give Staff Input Regarding the Future

1367
01:40:29,660 --> 01:40:34,960
 Park that is to be located at the corner of Heritage Trail and Linden Drive in Razor Ranch

1368
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:38,960
 Town Center.

1369
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:48,280
 Gary, is that you or Drew?

1370
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:49,280
 Yeah.

1371
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:50,280
 I'm bringing it up.

1372
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:51,280
 Hang on one second.

1373
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:52,280
 Okay.

1374
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:53,280
 Thank you.

1375
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:54,280
 All right.

1376
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:57,520
 Drew, you want to do this one?

1377
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:58,520
 Yeah.

1378
01:40:58,520 --> 01:40:59,520
 Okay.

1379
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:03,280
 Can you guys see that?

1380
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:06,120
 All right.

1381
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:09,120
 So this -- oh, it went down.

1382
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:10,120
 Sorry.

1383
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:11,120
 I didn't know you had it.

1384
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:12,120
 There you go.

1385
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:17,880
 So this is the proposed Razor Ranch property.

1386
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:22,400
 As depicted on the park, it's, you know, northwest of McKenna.

1387
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:37,200
 It's over behind -- I guess it would be southwest of Bonnie Bray and US 380 behind WinCo Foods.

1388
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:42,280
 Here is the look of the park, and this is really Razor Ranch, you know, at almost its

1389
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:43,280
 buildout.

1390
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:47,040
 Gary's circling the park right now.

1391
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:55,200
 And then, yeah, there's WinCo, like I said, it's southeast of WinCo.

1392
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:59,200
 For community feedback, you know, we had a meeting back in March, so we talked about

1393
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:04,800
 walking trails and connectability to other parks, water fountains, shade, public transportation

1394
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:11,160
 and bike racks, educational signs, lighting and call boxes for safety, the turf quality,

1395
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:15,560
 green space, trees, and of course, more trees, and in fact, the developer, if you haven't

1396
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,920
 been there to see it, I highly encourage you to drive by and take a look at it and get

1397
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:19,920
 out and walk around.

1398
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:23,080
 They did a really good job.

1399
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:28,560
 Parking and ADA accessibility, so there is parking along the streets, and there's ADA

1400
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:30,460
 parking spaces there.

1401
01:42:30,460 --> 01:42:33,040
 They're all parallel parking areas.

1402
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:34,480
 There aren't any restrooms there.

1403
01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:40,360
 They are looking to, as they do, build out, possibly partner with a business to put outdoor

1404
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:44,240
 restrooms at the very north end of the park.

1405
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:47,760
 Street crossings, there are street crossings in that area that they're constructing right

1406
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:49,240
 now.

1407
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:53,960
 Traffic light at University and Heritage Trail.

1408
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:58,040
 Traffic does know about that consideration, and of course, consideration for a future

1409
01:42:58,040 --> 01:42:59,800
 spray ground.

1410
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:06,280
 This is the rendering that we showed a few months ago, I guess almost a year ago now.

1411
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:14,840
 So Gary's circling now what would maybe be future eateries or bars or restaurants in

1412
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:22,480
 that area there at the far north end of the park.

1413
01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:27,440
 Here's our parking spaces that we talked about where you have parking along the roads, and

1414
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:32,280
 of course, on the very far end, that'll be a shared parking lot for those eateries and

1415
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:36,060
 for the park also.

1416
01:43:36,060 --> 01:43:39,920
 So here's what it looked like when it first really started, and they started kind of sculpting

1417
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:42,840
 the dirt.

1418
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:50,200
 This is another rendering of what it anticipated to be, and of course, that kind of depicts

1419
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:55,860
 where the eateries would be, people playing in the open space, your kind of courtyard

1420
01:43:55,860 --> 01:44:08,520
 area where the transitions are, educational signs, little traffic flow around the park

1421
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:12,240
 where the future apartments are going up.

1422
01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:17,000
 Here's a real-time photo, so like I said, it looks really good.

1423
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:22,120
 It's a very kind of quiet place that you just get in, and especially when you're around,

1424
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:27,080
 you know, the moundings of the dirt there where all the trees are built, you get in

1425
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:31,000
 there, you just kind of forget where you are, and you kind of lose those apartments in the

1426
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:32,000
 background.

1427
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:35,380
 So that's a really good place for those that are going to live around here, especially

1428
01:44:35,380 --> 01:44:38,800
 living in those apartments so they can get out and be in that open space.

1429
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:45,480
 So there are lights, and Gary, if you'll go back one, you see the, yeah, Gary has a light

1430
01:44:45,480 --> 01:44:49,980
 on the mouse right now, those are the same lights that we installed at the North Lakes

1431
01:44:49,980 --> 01:44:55,120
 Dog Park, those solar lights.

1432
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:56,240
 There's another picture.

1433
01:44:56,240 --> 01:45:02,500
 So on the very far north end, it'll be your left, that area right there, they did install,

1434
01:45:02,500 --> 01:45:09,840
 after this picture was taken, some electrical outlets, some large electrical outlets for

1435
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:16,660
 maybe a future food truck area before those eateries were built, so that we could host

1436
01:45:16,660 --> 01:45:25,360
 or someone could host a kind of a food truck event there on the north end of the park.

1437
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:31,840
 We have the courtyard there where the little crossing, landscape very nicely.

1438
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:38,000
 So this was the total cost of construction, and of course, it's going to go up some.

1439
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:43,160
 Various amenities, that number's going to change because they did change out some amenities

1440
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:48,520
 as far as some exercise equipment that they're going to put along the trails there at Razor

1441
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:53,320
 Ranch.

1442
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:58,720
 Park construction started last summer, went through the winter, and it was all sodded

1443
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:04,840
 and irrigated, and all the grasses were planted throughout this spring, summer, and early

1444
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:09,040
 fall now that we're in, so.

1445
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:15,960
 All right, we have any questions, and there is one thing, this property has not been fully

1446
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:18,880
 dedicated to us, it has not gone to council.

1447
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:24,640
 I know Gary sends weekly emails reminding them that we do need, you know, that proper

1448
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:30,800
 paperwork to be able to take to council for that dedication, and we hope to have it soon.

1449
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:39,440
 It was supposed to happen quite a long time ago, but still, we're still waiting, so.

1450
01:46:39,440 --> 01:46:44,680
 All right, Mary, you'll take it now.

1451
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:45,680
 I see George.

1452
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:51,640
 Sorry, I just have one quick question, I don't know why I'm apologizing.

1453
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:53,440
 It's been a long time since we talked about this.

1454
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:58,120
 I just wanted to make sure, I don't, did we never talk about restrooms in the capacity

1455
01:46:58,120 --> 01:46:59,600
 of them helping provide that?

1456
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:02,560
 I know that you just said that they're going to try and partner with the business to provide

1457
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:07,520
 them, but I imagine this will be ready before maybe commercial has actually been developed

1458
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:08,520
 there yet.

1459
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:12,600
 So, because it's such a large piece of land, I'd like to make sure that there are bathrooms

1460
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:17,360
 accessible to everyone, but sooner rather than later, I guess.

1461
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:21,520
 What we could do after this is dedicated to us, but once it's dedicated to us, they will

1462
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:24,720
 hold a maintenance agreement for the first year.

1463
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:28,480
 So that really works in our favor, we're not paying to maintain that park for the first

1464
01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:32,960
 year, but we could look into putting some portable restrooms there before permanent

1465
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:35,360
 restrooms are built.

1466
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:39,760
 As we've mentioned earlier, the requirements for the overall development that they're supposed

1467
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:45,440
 to provide from a land equity standpoint is this is almost exactly what they were supposed

1468
01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:49,760
 to provide, it's a little bit more, but from a construction standpoint, it was a little

1469
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:58,360
 over $300,000 and they're over $1.2, $1.3 million and a restroom facility is not cheap.

1470
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:05,240
 We've realized that ourselves, so they've really exceeded the expectations.

1471
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:10,800
 So anything that we want to add to it, we're going to have to add to ourselves, I don't

1472
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:14,960
 think they're going to be interested in putting more into the park, other than what they've

1473
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:16,400
 agreed to at this point in time.

1474
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:20,160
 So whether it's a port-a-john or it's a future restroom facility, it's something we'll have

1475
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:22,400
 to address long-term.

1476
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:27,000
 The one thing that we do need to discuss as we continue to move forward in the development

1477
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:30,840
 of our park system is when and where do we provide restrooms?

1478
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:36,520
 A neighborhood park typically does not provide restrooms because they're a neighborhood park,

1479
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:40,180
 they're generally available for the people that live around that park where they can

1480
01:48:40,180 --> 01:48:42,240
 walk back and forth.

1481
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:45,600
 This one's a little bit different where it has a little bit of a tourist destination

1482
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:46,840
 twist to it.

1483
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:54,120
 So in the agreement, it does outline the goal of them providing restrooms once those developments

1484
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:58,440
 are constructed for general public use.

1485
01:48:58,440 --> 01:49:03,480
 So that's going to be a complicated process and discussion, depending on when that happens,

1486
01:49:03,480 --> 01:49:06,720
 but there is going to be a period of time that we're going to have to provide something

1487
01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:08,060
 that we'll have to work through.

1488
01:49:08,060 --> 01:49:11,160
 So it's a challenge for sure.

1489
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:12,240
 Yeah, absolutely.

1490
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:15,520
 Just wanted to double check because with all that commercial and even food trucks, when

1491
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:19,320
 you're giving people food and places to sit and eat, you should also give them access

1492
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:20,320
 to bathrooms.

1493
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:21,320
 Cool.

1494
01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:24,480
 I just wanted to make sure that that was, I know that's $380,000 that was on that side

1495
01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:25,480
 budget that was just listed.

1496
01:49:25,480 --> 01:49:31,040
 I just wanted to circle back around and keep that in people's forefront of their mind.

1497
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:32,400
 Thank you.

1498
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:33,920
 Really good question, George.

1499
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:34,920
 Thank you.

1500
01:49:34,920 --> 01:49:38,800
 Any additional questions, concerns?

1501
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:42,240
 Okay, this is not an action item.

1502
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:46,040
 This is an information item.

1503
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:53,800
 The next item is to talk about items for next, the next meeting.

1504
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:59,080
 And so this is what I have, Gary, correct me if I'm wrong, UNT, a property, Veterans

1505
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:05,720
 Park, however you want to phrase that, KDB.

1506
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:06,720
 Clear Creek.

1507
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:07,720
 Okay.

1508
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:13,520
 Yeah, we're going to tie Clear Creek and KDB together since it's kind of the same group.

1509
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:14,520
 Okay.

1510
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:20,600
 So that'll be one item in itself.

1511
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:26,760
 And I've had some community residents come.

1512
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:28,640
 And Gary, we've had this conversation.

1513
01:50:28,640 --> 01:50:34,120
 If you could share this brief overview of when parks are going to reopen and how.

1514
01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:37,960
 So everybody's on the same page.

1515
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:39,760
 Yep.

1516
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:44,440
 Just about every council meeting, we have a COVID presentation that covers something,

1517
01:50:44,440 --> 01:50:49,440
 whether it's a governor's order or a change in a regulation, whatever it would be, or

1518
01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:51,440
 a change in park operations.

1519
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:56,400
 So tomorrow we're going to provide a brief update to city council on kind of where we're

1520
01:50:56,400 --> 01:51:02,360
 at with our programs and facilities and what our long-term plan is.

1521
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:05,400
 And I want to say long-term, it's the next three or four months.

1522
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:09,240
 It's COVID years, so it's long-term.

1523
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:15,720
 And as part of our initial reopening plan from last April, we anticipated Denia and

1524
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:21,120
 the senior center and civic center opening up towards the end of this year in the first

1525
01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:22,680
 of January.

1526
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:28,000
 We opened up MLK over Labor Day weekend or just after Labor Day weekend.

1527
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:35,920
 And we're trying to balance need, community need, participation levels, programming need,

1528
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:40,080
 COVID, COVID, all at the same time.

1529
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:44,480
 MLK has been fairly slow in regrowing.

1530
01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:47,960
 We do get a lot of kids that come over to that facility and hang out.

1531
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:49,680
 Right now you have to have supervision.

1532
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:53,120
 So that's definitely impact numbers.

1533
01:51:53,120 --> 01:51:57,440
 Denia neighborhood has reached out wanting their facility open.

1534
01:51:57,440 --> 01:52:02,920
 We are starting to get some of our senior center users reaching out.

1535
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:04,920
 They want the senior center reopened.

1536
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:12,560
 So we have a couple of items for discussion tomorrow on athletic programming, on starting

1537
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:19,280
 some senior programming at North Lakes and MLK, social distance, small groups to kind

1538
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:20,920
 of help control that.

1539
01:52:20,920 --> 01:52:24,800
 So the feedback we're getting is some of the seniors are struggling because they don't

1540
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:30,120
 have the social engagement that they need and it's impacting mental health.

1541
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:35,120
 And I think we've all experienced that in some form or fashion over the past six, seven

1542
01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:36,120
 months.

1543
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:41,440
 So we're trying to address that and balance budget and staffing at the same time.

1544
01:52:41,440 --> 01:52:48,040
 So part of the discussion and consideration is opening Denia maybe part time and sharing

1545
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:53,640
 staff between MLK and Denia going back and forth until we get programs up and running

1546
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:59,740
 and we see more attendance and more participation and then opening expanding hours.

1547
01:52:59,740 --> 01:53:03,600
 So we're going to have some of those discussions with council tomorrow and we'll see where

1548
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:09,680
 that discussion goes and we can provide you an update next month for sure and our game

1549
01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:11,400
 plan moving forward.

1550
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:12,660
 Fantastic.

1551
01:53:12,660 --> 01:53:16,840
 So that will be added for next month as well.

1552
01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:25,520
 I have the other community concern was the relationship between the parks board and our

1553
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:33,000
 art committee, there was a concern of about where the art is being placed in which parks.

1554
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:40,160
 And if you could add that for next time and just speak to that, that would be helpful.

1555
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:42,560
 Just a point of clarification.

1556
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:47,720
 The relationship between the public art committee and the park board and where art goes.

1557
01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:51,280
 Yes, with what parks.

1558
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:54,800
 How is it determined what art goes in which parks?

1559
01:53:54,800 --> 01:54:00,720
 And, Eddie, can we go ahead and get December scheduled because December is going to be

1560
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:06,840
 December is already here.

1561
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:15,280
 And the absentee policy, we want to have a discussion about adding family obligations

1562
01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:16,280
 to the list.

1563
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:18,720
 Everybody in agreement for that?

1564
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:28,480
 Okay, if there are no other, oh, yes, I'm going to add one to December.

1565
01:54:28,480 --> 01:54:33,480
 It'll be I have we've been working on this for quite a while and it's time.

1566
01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:34,600
 It's time to bring it to you.

1567
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:41,080
 So it's a citywide, citywide, wildflower and plant, prairie planting program.

1568
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:42,080
 Okay.

1569
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:48,800
 Say that more than once, so George was thinking that.

1570
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:53,640
 So it's a wildflower and prairie restoration planting program.

1571
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:57,120
 All right.

1572
01:54:57,120 --> 01:55:01,800
 Anything else for next month?

1573
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:05,720
 Just a real quick, just to kind of add a couple of just comments, we've got, I guess, one

1574
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:10,520
 minute left, jumping back to the 9/15/16.

1575
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:14,320
 The ordinance, the way it's written, we are eligible to reimburse ourselves.

1576
01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:20,920
 So if we buy property ahead of time to try to get it at a better price, we can use that

1577
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:26,400
 funding for reimbursing the city for that to go back into a land acquisition fund.

1578
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:28,800
 So that's something that's new.

1579
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:34,720
 And there will be a time between once the ordinance is approved and once it'll start

1580
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:40,440
 that gives anybody that has a project in the works time to kind of flush that through the

1581
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:43,560
 system and kind of be grandfathered in.

1582
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:48,280
 That way, if they bought property based off of a certain budget and then we come in and

1583
01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:54,000
 raise those fees, that gives them an opportunity to kind of get that project approved and get

1584
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:59,380
 it stamped and then they won't be subject to the new fees.

1585
01:55:59,380 --> 01:56:03,080
 So that's something that Dr. Crompton also recommended to us as well.

1586
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:10,160
 So that might be six months or five, six months, whatever we determine and settle on is just

1587
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:17,140
 another opportunity that we're showing how we're working with the community to try to

1588
01:56:17,140 --> 01:56:20,920
 balance the burden of fee increases.

1589
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:21,920
 Thank you.

1590
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:22,920
 Thank you so much.

1591
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:23,920
 Anything else?

1592
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:26,080
 All right.

1593
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:28,760
 May I have a motion to adjourn the meeting?

1594
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:31,080
 So moved.

1595
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:33,800
 David in second.

1596
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:37,160
 Go ahead, George.

1597
01:56:37,160 --> 01:56:38,160
 Second.

1598
01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:39,160
 Yes.

1599
01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:42,480
 All in favor?

1600
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:44,140
 Anyone oppose?

1601
01:56:44,140 --> 01:56:45,140
 Motion passes.

1602
01:56:45,140 --> 01:56:49,200
 Meeting adjourned at five o'clock exactly, Eddie.

1603
01:56:49,200 --> 01:56:51,120
 Have a good evening, all.

1604
01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:52,120
 Thank you.

1605
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:52,120
 Thank you.