Sep 21, 2020 Historic Landmark Commission on 2020-09-21 3:00 PM

we're live. Okay. Thank everybody for coming and welcome. We'll open the meeting of the Historic Landmark Committee Commission. Monday, September 21st, 2020. It's right at 3 p.m. First of all, let me note that we do have five commissioners present via Zoom and now six and we have, I think, Cassandra with us by phone. Is that right? Hi Cassandra. Hi. That's correct. I'm by phone. Thank you. Okay. So noting that we do have, in fact, a quorum, then we'll open the meeting. Let's start with the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. And now the Texas Pledge. Under the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one state, under God, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Thank you. The first, Lenny, have you gotten our agenda in your email? Yeah. Katie sent it to me. Yes, I got it. Okay. The first item on our agenda is HLC 20-034, which is a discussion of next year's calendar. In your packet, you should have a calendar with the suggested dates. We do have the ability, I think, to move those dates as long as it doesn't conflict. So if everybody can sort of check their calendar, there are a couple that I would like to move, but, or Mary can jump in or whoever. So in January on the 11th is our first, because these things are normally scheduled the second Monday. Does anybody have a problem or a suggestion on that particular day? I don't understand. What are you suggesting? Well, we need to look to the second Monday in January would be the 11th. I will be out of the country on that particular day. So I don't know that there's, I'm gone on the fourth and the 11th. So you guys can just do, I mean, that's why we have a vice chair. So is the 11th okay? I was trying to find my schedule for school. I'm just trying to think it may be the week before school starts. I was just trying to dig up my... Where are you going, Roy? Someplace good at that. Oh, it's my 40th wedding anniversary. Oh, congratulations. She's got plenty of time to wing me yet, so maybe. I may go home tonight and the keys may not work, in which case, Lenny, I'm just going to come say hi to you. You can put me on your couch. And so I'm taking her on a, it's actually a bare boat charter in the Virgin Islands for 12 days. What is a bare boat charter? That's where I'm the captain, as scary as that sounds. Oh my God. Cool. I've done it probably 10 or 12 times. I've sailed all the way from Puerto Rico to South America driving a boat. Cool. How big? Sorry. This one's 54 feet long. Oh, wow. But they've been as big, as small as 38 or 39 feet have been the small. We don't want to lose Catherine. Okay. So we're going to leave it on the 11th. The 11th works for me, Roy, because it's the first day of classes, so I'm back. I just wasn't sure. I wanted to look at when spring break was. Let's see. I can't. Spring break. So while that's happening, just real quick, the calendar will be back as an item. It's the 8th of March, maybe? Spring break? Spring break. It's the week before. So 15th is good too. We're good. Yeah, it should be on the calendar. But as I was saying earlier, we will have to bring back an item for action. So this is more of a discussion. So if you see anything that's conflicting or needs to be changed, just let us know. So we're not going to vote to adopt this today. We're just looking at this. Correct. Correct. This is an opportunity to start the discussion and to see a calendar, you know, with the spring break, with the holidays, and also, you know, your schedules as well, just to make sure that there's no dates that just doesn't make any sense. Well, I don't know how other people have dates on their calendar anyway, since we're under lockdown and I can't go anywhere. So we should be available, right? Yes. Well, I think the only problem is, as soon as that lock comes off, I'm gone. I'm going to have, on April 12th, I would probably ask if we could move that one. I'd rather move it up to the 5th than back to the 19th, actually. So let's think about that. Sure. Okay. May is okay by me. April. Yeah, some things are hard to get this far out, you know. A few are not, but. Okay. So let's roll with Mary. Are there any other that are problems with you? Just. I did a quick look and no, I mean, I have some potential travel, but you know, that's kind of tentative for right now. Yeah. Janelle. I don't see any that are problematic right now. So. Ms. Lenny. All I can say is as soon as I get my vaccine, I'm on the road. Okay. Evans here or something? Yes, there he is. Yeah. Yeah. My Mondays are good. Okay. My Mondays are good for months. Is Angie here? No, I don't see Angie. Okay. Melody here? No. Katie is here. Do you have any? No. You may have a big conflict. If you get elected, do you have to get off of this? I actually haven't been told. I've asked, I've sent messages and no response yet. So we'll see. Cause Gerard is the one that appointed me. So I don't, I have no idea. Okay. Cassandra, are you still with us by phone? I'm still with you and I don't foresee any conflicts at this time. Thank you. Okay. So at this point, the only thing is perhaps a meeting in April, if we could advance that to the fifth, but we'll, you guys can consider that. Yeah. So we'll put that on the calendar for the next item for consideration. And just for everyone, obviously we're meeting at three and that is the time that we've established here at the city. So if anything changes, if that changes back to what it was before, we will certainly let you know. But as of today, it is 3pm. Yeah. It's potential that I might have to ask for later just cause I don't know my schedule right now. I don't have a Monday teaching assignment. So that would be the same for me. I can begin the meeting on the phone and end it on my computer, but I have to pick up my little girl from school. So that's why I'm on the phone and I'll transfer to my computer once I'm home. Okay. Okay. Like I said, once, once we have a better idea, hopefully it will go back to normal hopefully. And we can go back to this date or the time that we had previously. Okay. Next up on our agenda is, um, HLC 20 dash zero 40, which is approval of the minutes from the July 13th meeting. Um, they are included in your packet. Um, any comments or do we have a motion? I move approval. Second. Yeah. A motion and a second. Let me roll down the roll call, uh, Mary Janelle Lenny. Aye. Evan. Aye. Angie is out. Melody's out. Katie Cassandra approved. I was not present, but sorry, chair Cassandra hasn't completed her, um, her oath yet. So she's just here to observe and just, uh, see how the meeting is run. And actually I have completed my oath. I did that this morning and this afternoon. I just have to get my, um, ethics training signature to city. So I got it in on time. Thank you. Okay. And Roy's eyes. So we have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven eyes and two absent. Um, so that, um, the approval of the minutes passes. So now we're going to move on to the public part of our meeting where we will consider COA 20 dash 0 0 1 4, hold a meeting and consider an application for a certificate of appropriateness in accordance with section 2.9.2 of the dent development code to replace and construct a new public restroom building at 700 Oakland street within Quakertown park, a designated Texas historical marker site. Ron Mengita is going to do our presentation. I'll let you take it Ron. Thanks. Thank you, sir. Um, thank you for the introduction. Again, this is a COA certificate appropriateness for the Quakertown park restroom proposed building. Um, the site for the Quakertown restroom facility will be at the Quakertown park, uh, at 700 Oakland street, uh, generally in the middle of the, uh, the park itself. As you all know, Quakertown is a designated historic, uh, Texas historic landmark site. The specific location is shown here. Um, it again, it is to replace what was an existing restroom facility as well. So the parks department is requesting this application for COA to construct the restroom facility over the same location as the previous restroom facility. What is shown on the screen is a conceptual illustration of what the building itself will look like. As you can see, again, it will consist of um, restrooms, um, where the previous restroom facility is. So there will be no, uh, additional impervious areas. Um, there'll be no trees removed. They will, again, it will just occupy the same location as the previous building prior. Uh, just to help illustrate some of the other, uh, historical buildings at the Quakertown park, civic center, senior center and civic pool. And, um, the illustration that you saw prior is to, um, to be consistent as close as possible to, to these existing buildings, uh, so that the Quakertown park has a uniform, uh, uniformity as far as a building structure and architecture. Uh, with that, um, the city, uh, staff is recommending approval of this COA, uh, to construct the new construction of the new restroom facility building. Uh, again, they're at Quakertown park. Uh, that concludes my presentation. I will be happy to answer any questions. Uh, I'll just open the floor. You guys, uh, just plays in. Can you show the picture? Yeah, real quick. Um, through Hoffman, um, director parks, assistant director of parks, uh, recreation is also on, um, I guess the meeting and can answer questions as well. So let me go back to the presentation. Is that the illustration you were looking for? Yes. Thank you. Thank you. So I have a question. Um, so I was looking at, uh, the pool roof is like a blue standing team metal roof. Is that going to be the same? Like, um, you see here, like, so is this, that one would be the most similar, I think, in terms of, you know, what you're showing us in the drawing that that pool entry building probably looks more similar to this than the other two buildings. And so I'm wondering, is the roof going to be the same kind of blue roof, um, to kind of tie it into the pool? No, man, we were going to pick more of the, the cocoa color. If you go back to, uh, the civic center. So that color of a room, your center that were the civic center. Oh, I see. Like this. Okay. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Is it going to be the same kind of brick then as a civic center? Yes. So all the brick in all these buildings were made by acne here in town. Yeah. And so they can, they have that on record because we've built a number of signs with the same type of brick in the past. And so when we order the brick for the building, it'll be, it'll be ordered from, from that slot. Um, I was curious too. Is it a condition space like air conditioned and heated? No, ma'am. It's open air. It's open air. So like in the picture that you had, the, those are like little open air grills. They're not glass block. They are, they are glass block. What you saw is glass block. And then there's open, there are open air louvers on the sides of the building. Okay. All right. Can we go back to the picture of the building? And the glass box just to provide lighting. Yes. To help, to provide extra lighting. Yes. And ventilation also. Well, where's the ventilation then? The ventilation is on the side and it will be on the side of the building. Do we have any other views of this other than the one you have? No, ma'am. We didn't have a landscape architect, architect draw this up. What we did is we did this as best as we could in house. And so what we've done is we've designed each for these restrooms. They're all, uh, nine by nine. So they're fully ADA accessible. They're, um, you know, neutral gender. They're large enough, you know, for, like I said, for ADA capacity. And then it does have a small overhang for, to, for shelter during weather. This building's also rated to 140 mile an hour winds. So it's not, it's not a tornado shelter, but it is a, it will serve also as a storm shelter if needed. It kind of looks not quite like the other things. The bricks looks very similar, but the roof line looks different. I'm not an architect or whoever is here, but it seems different. All the others seem to either present flat or tilted forward. And this one is in fact angles this way. All the others look different. That's why I asked for other views. Yeah. So what, what we did here is after looking through all our different building schemes and different ways for us to put restrooms here, we were, um, we were directed by council to build this in house. And so this is a Mueller building. And so it's a, it's a prefat, it's not a prefab building, but it's a, it's a bolt together building there. You know, the, all the piers and everything were built into the concrete and then we're, we're constructing this building. It'll all fit together. And that with the metal and the thickness of the metal, that's what gives us that 140 mile per hour wind rating. And of course we want to coat this building. We want to veneer or you have a near it with the, with the brick to give it the same architectural look that the rest of the buildings have. So what's the footprint of the whole building? It's 41. I have it here on my screen. I can't remember. You may have said, but it's 41 by 15 at 615 square feet, 41 by 15. Yes. So it's, it's the exact same. It's the exact same size as the, the original restroom that was there. It was in, it had fallen beyond disrepair and it was actually a hazard and therefore we could no longer use it. And it didn't have what it was. It was, it was four concrete walls with a concrete roof. There were, there was nothing architectural, you know, architectural about it. It was just put in, in the 1950s is what we were told. And so we, we wanted to go fully, we need a restroom in Quaker town. Really the biggest reason that us bringing it here to make sure that you cared what it looked like, because the original restroom, like I said, has no historical value or, you know, significance for this park, but we did want to make sure that we brought this to, to the committee and showed you, you know, if you, if you'd like, we would like to brick it. If you, if you don't want it to have any kind of look of the other buildings, then we could either, you know, have it two toned metal on the outside or we could, you know, do a number of different coatings on the outside. I think it looks nice brick and the other one wasn't. So what did the other one look like again? I sort of dark junk. It was just, it was not good. It was, it was solid. It was, it was just concrete. It was flat concrete walls. And that's all I'm sure it was pretty nasty and moldy. It was, it wasn't vented very well. And it only had, yeah, it only had one, one women's stall and one men's stall with it, with a sink in each. And so this one here will have, we, we designed it for four different stall, you know, four different restroom facilities. And then we're adding, as you can tell in this picture, we're adding water fountains to the front, the restroom, the restrooms before never had water fountains. Well, I wish the, the roof line would come the other direction, but I hadn't realized how narrow it actually was until just now. That's kind of narrow. So it doesn't work. Okay. Any other questions for staff? Is there going to be any exterior lighting? Yes. Okay. In fact, Quaker Town, the, the entire park is getting, getting lighting over this next fiscal year. What's the other side of the roof? Like what are you planning for the underside of the roof? Like the soffit? Like the parts that's dark gray right now. Yeah, it will, it's metal soffit. Is it going to be one of these? And it matches the metal soffit that'll be here. We've picked to match some other metal soffits over at the Civic Center and Senior Center that are underneath their eaves. Is it going to be one of these self-cleaning fancy London-style toilets? No, ma'am. Those are really expensive. Oh, okay. I mean, I can't ever imagine using them. Any other questions for staff? No. I do have one more question. So if the ventilation is just on the short side, how does it reach the, is there? There are louvers in between each. In between each bathroom. And then it also has vent fans to, vent out to the back of the restroom. Yes. To the back? Okay. Okay. All right. Well then next up is we need a motion. Our options are to approve as submitted, to approve subject to conditions, to deny or continue. Once we have a motion in a second, we can move on to discussion. Move approval. I'll second. I know what the ugly ones looked like. All right. So we have a motion in a second. I'll just throw the floor open for discussion amongst the members or we can once again question staff if needed. I say yippee. I'm glad we've got it. We've certainly have needed it, but I always worry about how it's going to be kept. Exactly. But nevertheless, we have to have it. So I'm just surprised given that eventually we might get back to normal, that we might need more stalls for all the festivals and things that go on down there. Four seems a little short-sighted. I mean, you could add another, you know, 15 feet and put in four more. I think they were trying to save space. Yes. Trying not to use more space than had been used before. That and when festivals come especially, you know, arts and jazz being our largest, we bring in multiple porter restrooms. Stinky toilets. Yes. Wait, don't you bring in the ones for the trailer ones, the ones on the trailer? Those aren't bad. That's not what they bring in. Oh, that's why I don't go to the arts and jazz. The arts and jazz folks bring those restrooms in. We help facilitate those, you know, those events and the arts and jazz, they actually run the events. Okay. Any other discussion? Let's vote. We have a motion to second. Let's just vote. I'll do a roll call just to make sure. Mary? Aye. Janelle? Um. You want us to come back to you? Yeah, come back to me. Lenny? Yes. Evan? Aye. Angie and Melody are not here. Katie? Yes. Cassandra? I think we'll have a slight delay. I'm yes. I know what the ugly ones look like too, Ms. Lenny. I'm going to vote yes. So Janelle? I guess I'll vote yes. Okay. So we have seven yays, zero nays, two absent. Thank everybody. Our next and last item on our agenda is COA 20-015. Hold a public meeting and consider an application for a certificate of appropriateness in accordance with section 2.9.2 of the Denton Development Code to install residential photovoltaic panels on the roof of a house located at 2025 Houston Place within the West Oak Historic District. The site is located on Houston Place between Thomas and Bradley Street. I believe again Ron is doing the presentation, so I'll turn it over to him. Thank you sir. Yes. Again, this is a certificate of appropriateness for solar panels on an existing home, which is located at the West Oak Historic District. As you can see, the screen shows the boundaries of the historic district. This particular home is located on Houston Place, just north of Oak, and you can see where it is located. It's the longer, narrow lot that has the existing home. The owner is Eugene Hargrove, and again, they are proposing to install solar panels on this home that you see here. This is the front view. From this view, you will not be able to see the solar panels. The solar panels are proposed on the east and the south side of this home. This home is currently facing north. From a view further to the east, you will be able to see where those panels will be located. Where you see the antenna there, the solar panels will be along that panel or that side of the roof, side of that building or that home. This is an illustration of where those solar panels are proposed. There is a total of 25 solar panels, and again, you can see that a few of them will be located on that eastern side plane of that roof, and this is where the antenna that we saw in the earlier photo is located. So 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and then the remaining 15 will be on the other roof plane, which is again facing south and does not have a public view. The thin development code does have a section of the code, section 496C that pertains to the West Oak Area Historic District, where it talks about skylights and solar panels. Per the code itself, it says that the Historic Landmark Commission may allow skylights and solar panels on a building if their placement does not have an adverse effect on the architecture or other building or the district as a whole. With that consideration, staff is recommending approval of this application for a certificate of appropriateness, again, to install solar panels within the subject home 2025 Houston Place. That concludes my presentation. I'll be happy to answer any questions. >> Okay. I'll just open the floor. >> When was this home built, Ron? >> I don't have that information, but based on the illustration, it does not look like it's been a while. It obviously looks like more of a modern -- >> I looked it up, but it actually was built in 1994. >> 1994, so -- >> I was guessing late '80s, so I'm close. >> My question is, in the process of getting to today, did -- or what would be your impression if we moved some of the east on the very far east wall, if we moved seven of those to the other east roof, which is farther south, was that even considered, or is that appropriate? If you left three or five on the other side, you might get the same sun, but yet be more remote. But that was my only question, and I didn't know if that had come up. >> That is a good question. Chair, I did not bring that up with the applicant, and I don't know for sure if they're on the call or in the meeting participating. I did try to reach out to them before the meeting, and it was not successful. We can certainly have that consideration. Unfortunately, they're not here today, unless I'm mistaken. To answer that possible reason why they did not include any into this section of the home, I can certainly follow up. But for your decision today, I'll certainly take forward whatever the commission decides. >> I like what you say, Roy. I think it would be more fitting. I'm not a big fan of them showing from the street no matter what, and I know the position of where this house sits. It sits a bit on the high side, so that if you're coming, what is it, from east to west on Houston Place, you will actually see them quite substantially, whereas if they were just moved a little bit further to the back, it would be a lot better. It doesn't seem to be a lot of trees around, so it doesn't seem like it should be a problem to do. >> Okay. Do we have any other questions for staff members? >> I think we've approved solar panels on several other houses fairly recently, haven't we? >> Yes, we tried to get them so they don't face the street, so they're not so ugly. They're just not very attractive currently. I think the ones that made roof panels, they used to make solar roofing, but that went away when they went after making solar battery for cars. So the best we can do is kind of hide them a little bit from the view. >> Yeah, it does look like you could, if they, like, looking at this, it looks like if they have that fire setback that they have to have in the valley, they could get a few on the back portion, and then the very back facing, that's facing the same direction as the back. Yeah, it seems like they could probably get all of them between that side and that back. >> I agree. >> What are the green, there's a green, some green boxes with an arrow, is that where they're locating the generator? Is that the air conditioning units or where they're locating the toll boxes? >> Batteries maybe? >> Yeah. >> I wouldn't put my batteries right on the street, if you know what I mean, so easy to steal. I'd be hiding them in the back anyway. >> I'm not sure. >> Lithium batteries are expensive. >> Yeah, it doesn't say what the green boxes are. I don't see it. >> Yes. >> Okay. Any other questions for staff? >> Ron, can I see the code again? >> Sure. >> Okay. Thanks. >> Okay. So as a committee, we have four options. We can approve as submitted, approve subject to conditions, deny or continue the item. If we take no action at all, I believe it becomes approved in 45 days, Ron, is that right? >> There is a day. I don't know if it's 45 days specific. >> It's 90 days, I thought it was. >> 90 days from the day of their application. >> Mr. Chair. >> Okay. So to move to discussion, we need a motion appropriate with one of these options. >> Chair, real quick, legal has a response to the number of days. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Mr. Chair. >> Yes, ma'am. >> The C of A has to be approved within 75 days of the item, the date it's posted. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I'll make a motion. I would -- sorry, Lenny, do you have something? >> No, I was just going to ask how could we approve with a possibility of something? Yes. >> That's what I was going to try to suggest is I was going to make a motion that we approve subject to them placing them further from the east facing wall towards the back so that it's not quite as obtrusive on the overall neighborhood view. >> Okay, Mary, that sounds like a motion. Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> With the motion a second, now we can move to discussion. >> Does that motion mean that if there's something that we have overlooked that caused them to place them this way in the first place, that they won't have an option? >> I'm looking at their plans that they submitted. It looks like the green boxes are labeled electrical equipment, and that might be because it's close to the garage. It looks like that's the garage. That's the only information that I can provide that may provide a reason why they located there, but again, I'm not a solar panel expert, and maybe that can be relocated to the other side of that and possibly be okay, but I'm not sure. >> I was going to say, I think that we don't have the information. There's probably a reason, but maybe where the main feed for their electrical comes into the house and to locate on the back panels, they might have to run a whole lot more wiring. There may be some complications we're not aware of as to why they located on that side. >> Not my problem. They should have told me. >> They may have told us staff, and it just not got -- >> Our condition could be that they work with staff to relocate as many on the southern east-facing wall as possible, and then let our staff sort of work with them and see if we can't move six or seven that way and then let the staff use their judgment. That could be our condition is that we want to move as many of them as they can. >> Or the west wall. >> We can tell them to move them off. >> The south wall. >> The south eastern roof, yeah, the far -- >> Yeah, you don't want to just specify east. They could also put it on the back side too, the south-facing side. >> I think we all know what we're heading is move some of them to the other east-facing roof on the south of the house. I guess we ought to ask legal if that's a valid condition to a motion. >> Mr. Chair, it seems to me that you can add conditions to the approval. I think it would just be specific enough where the staff could convey that to the applicant. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Now, discussion. That's fairly vague instructions to staff. But if they came back and said we can't do it and here's our eight reasons, it's probably going to get approved anyway. Am I -- I mean, that's sort of our history the last couple of years is to approve these. I like the idea of asking them to move them. The question is do you want to see them back here in a month? >> I would think that we could let staff deal with it but highly suggest that it's so visible and, you know, they're kind of -- I'm sorry. The panels currently are not designer-friendly. They're not very attractive. That's the best I can say. And so they're so visible on that east side. I've been up and down that street before. It would be nice if they just moved them back and then all would be good. And sometimes what I found on here is that most of the time people haven't thought like that, you know? Like one of the houses we did before with the railing and the banister and the door, they just had some contractor come and say this is it. And I think if you give them a chance, they might actually be amenable to making it attractive. >> Okay. So -- >> We're comfortable with Ron and the staff working with them and trying to get it moved a little bit because that way we're helpful but yet we try and get our -- and I guess if they don't move any of them, we'll just know next time to agree to a vague condition, not to agree to that. Okay. Fine. We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? >> I would only ask if the -- if our motion as it was stated will allow for that flexibility and approval without further change. >> Yes, I believe so. That was a point of the condition is to be flexible. Work with staff to move as many of the panels as practical to the east-facing southern part of the roof. Any other questions? >> I was just going to add, and I do this at almost every meeting, has anybody looked at it on Google Maps? Or does anybody really know that street? Because -- >> I've gotten Google pulled up. What's the street address? >> Is it 2025 Houston Place? >> I have. I've gone down Houston Place. And what happens if you're coming from the east to west, there's a rise. And so it comes from a low point up. And that's why those panels show so much is that they really -- they would be right in -- kind of you'd be seeing them. I mean, some of them might be less shown, but there's -- you know, I can remember when all it was was a pile of weeds at certain points in front of that house. So I'm glad it looks so much nicer now. But there's no trees around this. So it's not like that's going to be a block for them. >> But I mean, you know, as to the question of is there an adverse effect on the architecture of the building or the district, well, I mean, that street -- it's a 94 house anyway. And so the solar panels aren't going to have an adverse effect on the architecture of the building. >> It is in the district. >> I don't think it's going to stick out at all. So I don't really have a problem with this. >> It's in the district. The other houses in that neighborhood are, in fact, much older. That is the sore thumb of the entire neighborhood. In fact, it looks so different. It's the gray brick. It's so stark without trees. >> Yeah, it is. >> Okay. >> Yeah. The house itself has the adverse effect. So -- >> All right. Well, so let's -- we've had a motion in a second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, Mary, your vote. >> Aye. I favor it. >> Aye. >> Lennie? >> Aye. >> Evan? >> Aye. >> Angie and Melody are, I believe, still absent. Katie? >> Yes. >> Cassandra? >> Aye. >> Cassandra, aye. >> Aye. >> Roy is aye. So we have seven ayes, zero nays and two absents. And so the motion passes. And I believe that gets us to the end of our agenda for today. I don't -- I believe -- well, do we need a motion to adjourn from legal? I don't know that we do or not. >> I move to adjourn. >> Chair, if I can add one comment real quick. Just want to give you all an update. The home that had the storm shelter that -- >> I was going to ask you about that. >> We postponed to a date certain. The applicant actually withdrew their application. Therefore, there was no reason to bring it forward at that time. So they decided not to do anything with that storm shelter at this moment. So I just want to give you all an update on what happened. The other ones that were denied, we have not heard back from the applicant. So we're still waiting. If anything changes, they propose something different, then that will be a new COA for the HLC to consider. >> Thank you, Chair. >> We had a motion and a second for adjournment. Everybody in favor, just raise your hand. There are no opposed. So we stand adjourned. >> My hand is up even though you can't see it. >> Yeah, you went away.