WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.240 you sorry your video froze on my end I apologize okay well welcome to our 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:11.420 September 17th 2020 meeting appreciate those who are here it looks like we do 00:00:11.420 --> 00:00:18.820 have a quorum now and we'll try to do this meeting officially today so with 00:00:18.820 --> 00:00:26.780 our first item for consideration is item a TSC oh well do we need to first 00:00:26.780 --> 00:00:33.920 approve the meat the meeting minutes yeah so item TSC 20 - 0 1 6 is to prove 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:40.200 the minutes from July 20 2020 and so I just need a motion to approve those 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:49.880 minutes I motion to approve the moments the minutes all all in seconds we have a 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:59.000 motion from Melissa and a second from Clay all in favor hi actually sorry I've 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:01.880 got a I've got to stop you there because we're we're doing it like this you've 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:07.600 got to do it you've got to go down the roll of those who are here okay okay so 00:01:07.600 --> 00:01:15.880 I can get Melissa yes I just need to say my name is that what's happening I'm 00:01:15.880 --> 00:01:22.360 Melissa car here no no it just he's got it he's got to take the vote that way 00:01:22.360 --> 00:01:27.520 it's not like a yeah so your present absent thing it's just a as we're doing 00:01:27.520 --> 00:01:31.120 the votes he's got to call you out one at a time and you can say aye or yes sir 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:36.040 or in favor of yes yeah so yeah yeah your name yes or no 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:46.480 okay just go around so Melissa yeah Clay yeah Connie okay and I think that's all 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:51.280 of our council members we have in attendance correct I'm not I want to 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:56.040 make sure I'm not missing anyone well plus yourself and plus myself I vote yay 00:01:56.040 --> 00:02:03.560 thank you I'm here also so okay so the minutes approve so we'll move on to the 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:09.720 TSC 20 - zero one seven receive report and hold a discussion and give staff 00:02:09.720 --> 00:02:13.080 direction regarding the development of an ordinance allowing golf carts to 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:21.440 travel on city streets thank you mr. chairman Brian yawn city traffic 00:02:21.440 --> 00:02:32.840 engineer can you see the screen yes awesome so we're here today to talk 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:38.880 about golf carts and their place on city streets we've had a number of requests 00:02:38.880 --> 00:02:43.720 over the past six actually started before Corona so probably close to a 00:02:43.720 --> 00:02:52.520 year now requesting the city adopt an ordinance allowing the use of golf carts 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:58.520 on city streets primarily coming from the universities both universities like 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:02.880 to use the golf carts to maneuver around campus and most of the streets through 00:03:02.880 --> 00:03:09.840 their campuses or city streets so it's generating the need so can a golf cart 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:14.600 use a city street yes the transportation code does allow limited use of golf 00:03:14.600 --> 00:03:20.320 carts on city streets a golf cart and I can read this but basically if you're in 00:03:20.320 --> 00:03:25.520 a master plan community on a golf course or on a public or private beach that's 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:30.440 one time you can use a golf cart on the street if you're honest if you're if 00:03:30.440 --> 00:03:38.480 you're driving from your residence to a golf course that is less than two miles 00:03:38.480 --> 00:03:43.400 from where your house or where the golf cart is normally placed and the roadway 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:49.760 is 35 miles an hour less you can by right use a golf cart on a and then the 00:03:49.760 --> 00:03:52.640 third in which is kind of why we're here today is City Council made by 00:03:52.640 --> 00:03:58.880 ordinance authorized golf cart use on city streets with some limitations and 00:03:58.880 --> 00:04:02.080 we can talk about the limitations as you have that you know basically it has to 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:07.080 be a 35 mile an hour slower street so one of the stipulations is you have to 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:11.360 have a valid driver's license and liability insurance you have to add some 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:15.520 safety equipment that may or may not come as standard equipment on all golf 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:21.200 carts but there are stipulations that allow the golf cart to function more as 00:04:21.200 --> 00:04:25.480 a vehicle than a golf cart because typically on a golf course you don't 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:33.200 need headlights and breaking lights and mirrors and so and then this is what 00:04:33.200 --> 00:04:37.560 we're hearing again today well take it back this is a can we can we prohibit 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:40.920 golf carts so that's the complete hundred and eighty of what we're here 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.400 today for is can we by ordinance prohibit golf carts and the answer is 00:04:44.400 --> 00:04:51.160 yes same same statutes that are listed in the transportation code so what would 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:55.400 be the advantages or disadvantages of allowing golf carts or using golf carts 00:04:55.400 --> 00:05:01.480 on city streets versus a vehicle so one of the arguments from the golf cart user 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:05.800 is they're relatively inexpensive to own and operate so I'd rather than have it 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:12.000 by a vehicle if I wanted or something else if I wanted to drive say around 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:18.000 campus I'm UNT or MTW I can buy a fleet vehicle like a pickup or a sedan and I 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:21.680 can drive that up and down this you know the short trips that typically they make 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:29.400 or I can have a fleet of very small very efficient electric golf carts and they 00:05:29.400 --> 00:05:33.840 have the range and the ability to do what I need to do with a lot less of a 00:05:33.840 --> 00:05:39.640 footprint so golf carts do well for short trips much much better than a 00:05:39.640 --> 00:05:46.000 vehicle easier to park environmentally friendly quiet if we're talking electric 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:53.680 more maneuverable typically than a normal vehicle and again the take up 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:59.400 less room in parking and again electric charging for a standard outlet the 00:05:59.400 --> 00:06:05.320 disadvantages is the disadvantages are fairly limited travel speed so typically 00:06:05.320 --> 00:06:10.160 an electric golf cart might top out around 25 miles an hour and again that 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:13.000 restricts the type of roads that we really want to put them on we don't want 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:17.440 them golf cart on University it just would not be appropriate they've got a 00:06:17.440 --> 00:06:23.200 limited range for the charge versus a normal vehicle with a full tank of gas 00:06:23.200 --> 00:06:28.400 even on a full charge they're gonna go 40 miles or less which means you have to 00:06:28.400 --> 00:06:34.360 charge them more frequently again the low speeds have little the lower speed 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:38.040 vehicles have lower safety standards and passenger cars and this is what I was 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:42.560 talking about earlier most golf carts don't come with a lot of safety features 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:46.280 because they're not intended to be driven on a city street or operated as 00:06:46.280 --> 00:06:52.840 a private vehicle on a roadway and then again they just lack general accepted 00:06:52.840 --> 00:06:56.880 safety rating system so there's no crash tests they don't they don't have the 00:06:56.880 --> 00:07:02.840 dummies and the crash test course established for golf carts or low speed 00:07:02.840 --> 00:07:10.560 vehicle that's the other acronym that we'll use so why we're here today with 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:14.880 these things in mind and we can have a much more robust discussion when I'm 00:07:14.880 --> 00:07:18.960 done but we want to determine if the city of Denton desires a golf cart 00:07:18.960 --> 00:07:25.080 ordinance do we want to allow by right golf carts to use city streets with the 00:07:25.080 --> 00:07:29.360 restrictions that we will place on using you know once we craft an ordinance we 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:32.800 can place whatever restrictions we want 35 mile an hour less to have to have a 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:36.200 driver's license I have to have liability insurance the carts themselves 00:07:36.200 --> 00:07:42.280 have to have enhanced safety features seat belts we can craft whatever 00:07:42.280 --> 00:07:46.000 stipulations we want there are plenty of places that have done this so we have a 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:51.600 lot of go-bys so that's the first question is do we want to pursue golf 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:55.800 carts on city streets if the answer is yes we will proceed with the ordinance 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:59.480 development in fact I've already in doing some of the research I've already 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:02.760 started kind of putting together the elements that I think would be 00:08:02.760 --> 00:08:07.800 appropriate we will bring those back to you in a future Commission meeting and 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:13.680 then once that is adopted or approved by this group we'll take that to council 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:18.320 for consideration as well so with that I'll open the floor I'll stop sharing my 00:08:18.320 --> 00:08:30.000 screen and we can talk about golf carts and city streets it looks like most 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:37.040 people are muted so if you yeah if anyone has if anyone has a question they 00:08:37.040 --> 00:08:42.960 may other counselors may go ahead are they are we looking at just around the 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:50.960 universities we can craft in our ordinance which streets would allow them 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:57.080 by right or we can craft which streets by characteristics so we it's really up 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:07.240 to us the two universities are the the the primary requesters of this so we 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:11.220 don't have a lot of private citizens that want to ride their their golf carts 00:09:11.220 --> 00:09:15.920 or they've not requested that from us we primarily get the request from the 00:09:15.920 --> 00:09:20.000 universities it's a lot easier for them to maneuver around campus in a golf cart 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:26.520 than it is in a standard vehicle or pickup so again which the streets that 00:09:26.520 --> 00:09:31.360 we want them on would be up to the up to the council and again we can limit it by 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:40.360 name or by classification or both right I see them around TW quite a bit 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:48.260 accessing up Bell and I'm okay with that since it's 20 miles an hour so I would 00:09:48.260 --> 00:09:51.920 say if we do this around the universities and the characteristics 00:09:51.920 --> 00:10:08.800 should be named streets and speed limits like to add something to that I may so I 00:10:08.800 --> 00:10:14.720 I'm an agreement I mean I like the idea that there's a restricted streets they 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:18.680 they can't go on streets that are more than 35 miles an hour and that to me 00:10:18.680 --> 00:10:24.680 would simply be to protect them in case somebody got a golf cart that I work at 00:10:24.680 --> 00:10:30.520 Texas Women's University sometimes students are use the golf carts I mean if 00:10:30.520 --> 00:10:36.600 you got a student in a cart that didn't generally the TWA students are pretty 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:42.500 good but these ordinance would help keep them safe also I would think and I would 00:10:42.500 --> 00:10:47.880 like to add that as somebody who rides a bicycle I mean I'm allowed to use all 00:10:47.880 --> 00:10:56.520 the streets regardless of the speed on the street and you know I only need a 00:10:56.520 --> 00:11:00.440 headlight and a tail light and I have brakes but I I don't have to have a 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:07.680 driver's license so to me I mean these are the you're actually asking a little 00:11:07.680 --> 00:11:13.480 more I mean I I can't I can't always go over 25 miles an hour on my bike so I 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:20.320 think all these things are reasonable so I have to say so I would add that you 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:25.120 brought up a point that TWA does use the golf carts and one advantage of 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:30.600 allowing them on city streets right now they use the sidewalks which which to me 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:34.720 is more of a potential conflict with pedestrians than it is with other or as 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:38.840 much as it is with other vehicles I mean if you're if you're talking about low 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:43.840 speed facilities and and the golf carts can basically keep up with background 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:49.320 traffic that's that's less of a conflict than somebody who's walking at three to 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:52.800 five miles an hour and a golf cart that's moving at 20 miles an hour on the 00:11:52.800 --> 00:11:58.440 same pathway I yeah I would agree yeah I mean I've actually you know use the golf 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:03.800 cart occasionally on campus and it is troublesome to ride behind people who are 00:12:03.800 --> 00:12:08.400 walking I don't I don't want to run them over but at the same time you're trying 00:12:08.400 --> 00:12:12.640 to get somewhere quickly that's why you have the golf cart so I think being able 00:12:12.640 --> 00:12:16.880 to use the golf cart isn't it is nice 00:12:16.880 --> 00:12:27.400 one piece of safety equipment that I would suggest is that reflective orange 00:12:27.400 --> 00:12:34.320 triangle to be put on the back of them like you often see on tractors and in 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:39.120 Amish country on the back of buggies right 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:57.040 okay are there any other comments and if not do you so the agenda recommends that 00:12:57.040 --> 00:13:03.760 we give staff direction is that does that mean we need a vote on this one or 00:13:03.760 --> 00:13:11.400 is that just our verbal recommendations that we've art there it's not a vote 00:13:11.400 --> 00:13:16.480 it's just do we have a consensus for the staff have a consensus of the board to 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:21.400 move forward on advancing the item I think right now I mean to certainly have 00:13:21.400 --> 00:13:27.400 expressed support a consensus would be for so if you and mr. Baker would chime 00:13:27.400 --> 00:13:30.120 in as well also I did get a message from Sarah 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:35.920 Fulwood that for the online commenting that there were no online comments 00:13:35.920 --> 00:13:42.360 before the meeting and no callers just for the for the record thank you yes I 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:49.960 also support I support this measure so I think it's a good move Connie do you 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:56.120 have a comment of support or or not 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:10.760 you're muted Connie lower lower left hand there you go 00:14:10.760 --> 00:14:19.920 I did do oh okay well on the on the golf carts I agree around the campuses but 00:14:19.920 --> 00:14:27.720 not on city streets like you know there there a lot of traffic people of speeds 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:34.960 and stuff like yet I'd be more you know around the campuses not on city streets 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:41.800 not because they move too slow and like say it'd be a hazard to the vehicle so 00:14:41.800 --> 00:14:59.240 but around campuses I think you would work great is this and in some of the 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:03.880 cases campus right correct me if I'm wrong but campus includes city streets 00:15:03.880 --> 00:15:10.000 right so this like for example at TWU or UNT if we don't include city streets 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:13.840 some city streets in this then that would preclude the golf carts from from 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:17.880 moving in pretty slow moving streets along the campus is that is that 00:15:17.880 --> 00:15:22.280 correct yes sir about both universities have a 00:15:22.280 --> 00:15:27.920 number of public city streets right so so would you still be opposed to that 00:15:27.920 --> 00:15:30.280 Connie 00:15:38.920 --> 00:15:44.720 can you hear me now okay well yeah the city there is city streets that run 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:50.840 through the campuses but most of those streets are 20 mile an hour not 30 most 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:55.600 of them are all 20 it goes through the campuses most of them most of them are 00:15:55.600 --> 00:16:03.680 30 but they're on their outer edge so like I say that's that's the safety 00:16:03.680 --> 00:16:07.960 reason with the vehicles is what I was talking about they don't move fast 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:15.800 enough and traffic so but like say most of them are 20 mile an hour in in the 00:16:15.800 --> 00:16:30.000 in the schools so you're in favor of 20 miles per hour less is that your yes I 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:37.080 would around the campuses like say it'd be fine but like say 20 mile an hour is 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:47.800 what speed is around most both the universities okay so I'll just I'll stay 00:16:47.800 --> 00:16:52.380 for the record I mean I trust if we move forward with this for the commission 00:16:52.380 --> 00:16:56.720 identifies safe streets where this would be appropriate so I'm a little I'm 00:16:56.720 --> 00:17:00.400 personally a little weary of putting too many limits on it because they may find 00:17:00.400 --> 00:17:05.840 a street where it's 25 that's appropriate at near campus or in an 00:17:05.840 --> 00:17:11.520 appropriate spot so I'm supportive of the measure in general so and we can put 00:17:11.520 --> 00:17:15.440 for the record Connie has some reservations about speed limits in 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:20.640 certain city streets where would be a lot of does that do those comments allow 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:30.800 us to yes okay all right thank you everyone for the comments and I think 00:17:30.800 --> 00:17:38.480 those will be really helpful so with that we can move on to item CTSC 20 - 0 1 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:42.080 8 receive a report for the discussion regarding the city of Denton's Americans 00:17:42.080 --> 00:17:59.480 with disabilities 88 transition plan okay somehow I've frozen my screen I got 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:18.440 absolutely nothing okay I cannot minimize I can't see hold on you guys you 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:28.260 cannot see my screen correct nope I've lost my toolbar I don't know how I did 00:18:28.260 --> 00:18:35.240 this but and my nothing works up here is does anyone else have a dude could 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:45.480 somebody else I could download the presentation do somebody else want you 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:58.280 want to pull up the presentation and then they can screw through and Brian I'm 00:18:58.280 --> 00:19:08.720 downloading it I can you call it up making I got but I can't see it I got 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:18.240 you Brian okay I can do it all right technical difficulties there it is just 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:27.960 tell me when you want to go on this line and I'll make it up no that works we 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:39.720 have tech services in the room to try to help okay thank you think I'm in sharing 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:48.720 screen on our own somebody's share okay Daniel if you can stop sharing your 00:19:48.720 --> 00:20:04.400 screen Brian has the presentation all right well now I know what now I don't 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:14.000 let me go back to here no no we have to wait for Daniel to pop back in as well 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:22.960 okay there is yeah sorry I just connectivity issues my video off 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:28.240 shortly while I'm not talking all right let's try this again 00:20:36.800 --> 00:20:46.040 can you see it yes awesome all right so this item is just an update of the ADA 00:20:46.040 --> 00:20:50.000 transition plan that the city conducted several months ago completed several 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:54.840 months ago prior to Mark's departure I don't know that we have presented any of 00:20:54.840 --> 00:20:57.520 this information to you so I wanted to bring it back just to show you where 00:20:57.520 --> 00:21:03.880 some of the results of the study and our next steps moving forward so we 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:09.080 completed this plan late in 2019 basically what we what we accomplished 00:21:09.080 --> 00:21:15.160 is through the use of a consultant is the identification of existing sidewalks 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:21.880 ramps crosswalks and traffic signals that are not in compliance with the 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:29.880 Americans with Disabilities Act and we also got a we've got a list of those 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:35.400 that fall short and a cost estimate to bring them into compliance so I'm just 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:41.760 going to go through a couple of examples this is curb ramps at traffic signals 00:21:41.760 --> 00:21:46.200 you can look at the numbers that you evaluated they so the curb ramps lands 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:53.320 in crosswalk which is a problem 684 were evaluated seven six hundred and seventy 00:21:53.320 --> 00:21:56.800 eight are compliant pretty good compliance but when you get down to the 00:21:56.800 --> 00:22:01.840 flare cross slope which is cross slope is always one of our biggest 00:22:01.840 --> 00:22:06.280 considerations and concerns with with sidewalks and ramps we're only at fifty 00:22:06.280 --> 00:22:11.880 five fifty six percent compliance so we've got some work to do at traffic 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:16.200 signals relative to grants a lot of these are older they predate the 88 act 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:21.360 but the requirements are that at some point we need to bring them into 00:22:21.360 --> 00:22:28.320 compliance another one it signals the push button height and location again we 00:22:28.320 --> 00:22:32.440 on some of the elements we're in really good compliance the orientation is 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:38.020 parallel to crossing ninety nine point one percent but when you get again to 00:22:38.020 --> 00:22:43.240 the clear space and some of the requirements you may or may not be 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:48.960 familiar with but the push button needs to be in a particular location relative 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:54.040 to the curb ramp and the landing so some of these elements were you know 00:22:54.040 --> 00:22:58.040 basically seventy one percent where we've got a seat so we've got some work 00:22:58.040 --> 00:23:03.800 to do with push buttons as well they also looked at 740 miles of sidewalk 00:23:03.800 --> 00:23:09.360 corridor and just really this is a fantastic asset management tool we now 00:23:09.360 --> 00:23:13.920 know the condition and and some of the compliance elements of most of the 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:18.920 existing sidewalks in town so this table that you can't read which was your 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:23.440 we're not intended to necessarily but for every sidewalk segment every 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:29.840 corridor they prepared this analysis sheet they looked at different possible 00:23:29.840 --> 00:23:39.160 problems the joints you know the surface the tripping hazards and they developed 00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:47.520 a cost estimate for repairing those each of those items so as a summary we've 00:23:47.520 --> 00:23:55.000 got set traffic signals again it's a number of different elements could be 00:23:55.000 --> 00:24:01.560 curb ramps could be push buttons could be the pedestrian heads but we've got 00:24:01.560 --> 00:24:08.200 several of them that are in great need like 31 are high priority out of our 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:12.160 hundred and twenty three total so and we've added signals since then but most 00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:16.560 of the signals that we're constructing now are in full compliance as they're 00:24:16.560 --> 00:24:20.960 constructed so we're we're meeting the the standards in the ADA with all new 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:24.400 construction so most of what we're seeing here that's not compliant is old 00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:27.920 construction and some of it is very old construction some of the signals we have 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:33.880 in town are 30 34 years old so they certainly are not in compliance with the 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:42.160 act itself and then this is the sidewalk corridors look at as a as far as a 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:49.040 priority of repair or non-compliance 370 miles are in need of some kind of 00:24:49.040 --> 00:24:54.640 adjustment and and with varying costs associated but so here's a here's a 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:59.080 summary of the compliance costs signalized intersections and if we just 00:24:59.080 --> 00:25:03.800 look at let's just look at the total because even a low priority at some 00:25:03.800 --> 00:25:08.320 point we're gonna have to address those but we've got four million almost five 00:25:08.320 --> 00:25:14.160 million dollars in signal needs the sidewalks that are just in a corridor 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:20.880 so it's not necessarily associated with a signalized intersection just in 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:27.480 between blocks we've got 11 million dollars of need and then the curb ramps 00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:32.800 is probably the biggest element that where we're non-compliant and again 00:25:32.800 --> 00:25:37.520 that's primarily because a lot of them were put in quite some time ago and as 00:25:37.520 --> 00:25:43.800 we as we reconstruct streets we we fix them but basically the consultant 00:25:43.800 --> 00:25:49.080 identified over 18 million dollars of curb ramp needs for just to come into 00:25:49.080 --> 00:25:54.560 compliance so a total of 34 million and these are all unfunded improvements 00:25:54.560 --> 00:26:00.200 right now so our next steps are to develop a detailed project prioritization 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:05.840 so we've got the high medium low priority we need to identify projects and 00:26:05.840 --> 00:26:11.680 put them into funding years basically put together a program for compliance 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:17.720 maybe looking five to ten years out and identifying those funding needs and then 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:21.440 we can once we know what we need the next five years in the next ten years 00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:25.080 then we can start looking for those funding opportunities whether being 00:26:25.080 --> 00:26:31.440 through bond elections or partnering with a an external agency like tech stop 00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:35.980 or the North Central Texas Council of Governments so where that's where we are 00:26:35.980 --> 00:26:40.080 we know what we've we know what we have or actually what we don't have we know 00:26:40.080 --> 00:26:44.160 how much it's going to cost to fix it and our next steps and this was not part 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:47.800 of the scope of the contract with consultant is to put together an 00:26:47.800 --> 00:26:54.280 implementation plan so that's right now staff is is working on identifying the 00:26:54.280 --> 00:26:59.680 elements of our CIP that might satisfy some of these needs so we can pull that 00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.120 out of the 34 million we don't want to double fund it and we don't want to do 00:27:03.120 --> 00:27:08.200 it twice so as capital improvement projects are identified and funded and 00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:12.240 go to construction if they include sidewalks or the ramps or the signal 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:16.440 rebuild we can take that out of this bigger list and what's left is what we 00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:23.320 have to program over the next five ten fifteen years so with that that's the 00:27:23.320 --> 00:27:25.760 end of my presentation I'll stop sharing and I will tell it we'll have a 00:27:25.760 --> 00:27:34.480 discussion if you have questions I'll try and answer thank you Brian I have 00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:43.400 two one question and one comment the question is will prioritization also 00:27:43.400 --> 00:27:51.880 focus on higher you know higher use areas for example I think you all know 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:56.200 I've asked about a specific curb right here right by the square that prevents 00:27:56.200 --> 00:28:00.840 people wheelchairs from accessing the square if they're coming on Hickory from 00:28:00.840 --> 00:28:06.400 the Carol side and so I it would seem to me that that that's a high walking you 00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:12.800 know high walking and wheelchair use area and so are we prioritizing based on 00:28:12.800 --> 00:28:18.480 maybe density closeness to the core access to services like DCTA so I'm 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:23.280 curious about the what about the our prioritizing and my second comment is 00:28:23.280 --> 00:28:27.800 just one that I brought up before I'm I would prefer instead of push buttons we 00:28:27.800 --> 00:28:31.240 just have automatic walk signals everywhere and so I don't know if that's 00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:34.920 something that can be considered but I think you know pedestrian shouldn't have 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:38.760 to ask permission to cross the street just like cars don't have to you know 00:28:38.760 --> 00:28:43.560 push a button to get a green light so I think that that would be a better policy 00:28:43.560 --> 00:28:50.640 and make her more walkable didn't everywhere that's safer for produce okay 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:55.040 so the first the first question is how are we going to prioritize and we have a 00:28:55.040 --> 00:28:58.040 couple of options there is a prioritization system that was 00:28:58.040 --> 00:29:01.880 established with the mobility plan update where we look at proximity to 00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:07.160 schools large generators specific land use types that tend to generate 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:16.680 pedestrian traffic that certainly is one option we also have on our on our 00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:22.960 website we have a more detailed prioritization methodology where we we 00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.760 actually go out and collect data because another issue with specifically 00:29:26.760 --> 00:29:32.040 pedestrian traffic and this is something that I've experienced in other cities is 00:29:32.040 --> 00:29:37.600 if you've got a goat trail or cow path or whatever you want to call it and and 00:29:37.600 --> 00:29:41.440 you can say you've got two and one is next to University Boulevard and one is 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:49.920 next to a residential collector then that high-speed high-volume roadway 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:55.560 introduces some risk factors that might not necessarily be grabbed by a 00:29:55.560 --> 00:30:01.800 prioritization that looks at how many pedestrians are there and what's the 00:30:01.800 --> 00:30:05.600 proximity to the different kind of land uses so we may want to fold in some 00:30:05.600 --> 00:30:10.320 additional data take our mobility plan prioritization and fold in some some 00:30:10.320 --> 00:30:16.000 adjacent street characteristic data and make a prioritization via that method so 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:21.520 we have some established pathways forward so we'll and we can we'll we can 00:30:21.520 --> 00:30:25.320 talk about this in future meetings on how we want to know what are the right 00:30:25.320 --> 00:30:30.240 criteria what the ranking if you want to use a point system so that if you're 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:32.840 next to a school if you're within a quarter mile of the school you get X 00:30:32.840 --> 00:30:40.760 points if you're next to a large generator like heavy commercial a lot of 00:30:40.760 --> 00:30:44.280 commercial a lot of retail or a park then you get X number of points and then 00:30:44.280 --> 00:30:48.880 at the end of the day you add up all the points and that's a rank so then you can 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:55.920 that's one way relative to your your comment about the pedestrian detection 00:30:55.920 --> 00:31:01.320 we are acquiring some hardware right now we're gonna put it on the on the square 00:31:01.320 --> 00:31:07.760 not sure if you're aware but the council did decide to leave the the all-way 00:31:07.760 --> 00:31:14.600 crossing in place it was previously no formerly known as all walk crosswalk so 00:31:14.600 --> 00:31:21.360 in an effort to test some hardware we're gonna install one intersection with the 00:31:21.360 --> 00:31:27.760 the passive detection and so we're gonna test it it adds some cost to the 00:31:27.760 --> 00:31:34.560 installation but moving towards that not having to push a button approach so 00:31:34.560 --> 00:31:38.280 there's two ways we can not push a button we can we can run the the 00:31:38.280 --> 00:31:42.720 pedestrian concurrent with the signal so that when the signal comes green the 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:47.780 parallel pedestrian gets to walk the problem with that is most of our signals 00:31:47.780 --> 00:31:54.720 are on there they're on a they're basically run free in the evenings and 00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:59.960 off-peaks and so unless there's a vehicle to call up that associated 00:31:59.960 --> 00:32:05.120 vehicular movement the pedestrian won't have the opportunity to get the call I 00:32:05.120 --> 00:32:08.640 mean the walk signal unless they push a button so what we're trying to do is as 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:15.040 do like you said exactly the same way that a vehicle requests service it just 00:32:15.040 --> 00:32:20.420 shows up and we have a camera or other device that detects its presence and 00:32:20.420 --> 00:32:29.800 we're gonna try and do that same passive detection with pedestrians thank you I 00:32:29.800 --> 00:32:34.560 appreciate that and to be clear my comment wasn't necessarily even I 00:32:34.560 --> 00:32:38.560 appreciate I mean I think that's a compromise I would I would be in favor of 00:32:38.560 --> 00:32:43.200 just automatic you know lights and we don't even need detection on any of 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:47.640 these but but I understand that we've already discussed this a lot so I just I 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.360 just wanted to kind of share that but yeah I would just to your your first 00:32:51.360 --> 00:32:56.000 comment about prioritization I hope that the core would be prioritized right 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:59.560 again it's the most walkable area and it and although I've course like schools 00:32:59.560 --> 00:33:04.640 are great addition to prioritization but when I say the core I generally mean UNT 00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:11.960 TW DCTA and that kind of area that's the most the most walkable so I hope that 00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:16.240 receives some because one broken sidewalk can you know we've already got 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:20.040 pretty decent sidewalks there but one broken one makes it inaccessible to 00:33:20.040 --> 00:33:23.200 someone with a stroll wheelchair in particular but can make it more 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:27.600 difficult for strollers and things like that and so you know Hickory is about to 00:33:27.600 --> 00:33:31.760 get redone a lot and hopefully the sidewalks and we'll get curb cuts and 00:33:31.760 --> 00:33:35.560 spots where there's not there but anyway that's just that's just my comment 00:33:35.560 --> 00:34:00.320 that's all I've got okay thank you any other comments from councilmember hey 00:34:00.320 --> 00:34:07.920 with that one any oh yes I have one question on the funding if any of the 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:17.320 recent bonds funds would be applied to this particularly sidewalks yes I think 00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:27.680 the the intent for the 2019 bond was to do gap infill and so you and I might 00:34:27.680 --> 00:34:32.040 defer to Trey or maybe this is a discussion for another day for hitting 00:34:32.040 --> 00:34:38.280 the fine points but a lot of times those capital dollars are not necessarily 00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:43.280 allowed to be used on what we considered maintenance so replacing or fixing a 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:49.640 broken sidewalk a trip hazard probably would not be considered eligible for bond 00:34:49.640 --> 00:34:53.600 funding those are typically capital dollars but when you but if you do an 00:34:53.600 --> 00:34:58.840 entire replacement program then I think we open up that eligibility a little bit 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:03.440 so the answer is yes and no not on small stuff but if we did an entire 00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:08.520 programmatic we're gonna replace the you know two miles of sidewalk along X and Y 00:35:08.520 --> 00:35:11.880 streets and I think we have the opportunity to use the bond funding and 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:22.640 I'll defer to Trey if he's got any further dad I do not okay so it just as 00:35:22.640 --> 00:35:27.740 in a closing it it really depends on how we use them some I think we can make 00:35:27.740 --> 00:35:32.000 them eligible but we have to be careful on making sure it's a capital project 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:43.480 not a maintenance project hey is there is there any other comments 00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:51.460 I'm sorry one other thing I just thought of briefly I'll just I'll bring up is 00:35:51.460 --> 00:35:58.640 that we've recently installed a new you know sidewalk and railing that's right 00:35:58.640 --> 00:36:03.880 next to barley and board on the street and I will say I was a little 00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:10.840 disappointed to look at the way that we're still getting I think a variety of 00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:15.640 intersections of seeing where we instead of just having a flat area or having 00:36:15.640 --> 00:36:19.600 access in all directions we have these like big concrete blocks we still are 00:36:19.600 --> 00:36:24.640 not thinking about access across in that case there's no that was designed with 00:36:24.640 --> 00:36:28.960 no crosswalk across the street which I think is increasing to the more highway 00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:34.520 people on the square of cars and so I just hope that as we're adding new stuff 00:36:34.520 --> 00:36:39.040 we're thinking about the most accessible means and not putting these weird large 00:36:39.040 --> 00:36:44.360 concrete blocks unnecessary like I guess there's just a gear people directions 00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:47.240 but if we just have those flat intersections those seem to be a lot 00:36:47.240 --> 00:36:52.480 safer and then if we have had crosswalks I mean I think the intention where there 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:56.440 was was to deter people from crossing the street even though there's a cross 00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:00.760 street right there behind Marley and board and direct them somewhere else 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:05.440 which is just not walkable it's not a way to design an urban area but so I 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:10.120 hope we can look at that because I still see like new stuff being designed not 00:37:10.120 --> 00:37:15.320 using walkability in the core and so I just hope that that we can make the the 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.240 more walkable it is the more 00:37:19.240 --> 00:37:26.720 okay 00:37:26.720 --> 00:37:40.560 if there's not any further comments are there any further comments we are not 00:37:40.560 --> 00:37:45.320 making any recommendations on this I read I don't think we need to even 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:50.400 necessarily give the staff directions so we can go and move on to our next item 00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:58.480 our next item is item D TSC 20 - 019 staff update regarding the safe routes 00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:04.080 to school bike scooter share programs and community input on mobility plan 00:38:04.080 --> 00:38:23.800 okay sharing my screen okay can you see that okay so two items on our staff 00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:28.760 report the first is safe route to school we have two active safe route to school 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:35.680 projects both are significantly funded through our partner groups of tex dot 00:38:35.680 --> 00:38:41.520 and the cog the first is pecan Wilson and pecan Creek and Wilson elementaries 00:38:41.520 --> 00:38:47.840 we've got about almost three-quarters of a mile a bit more of sidewalk post and 00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:54.440 looking for we're moving into the design now hopefully a complete design by March 00:38:54.440 --> 00:39:00.080 and then move into construction in 2021 and and with that amount of construction 00:39:00.080 --> 00:39:08.480 probably six to eight months and possibly more it really depends on what 00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:11.840 we find in the design phase but we're estimating that will be done sometime in 00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:19.000 2022 and again a total cost our total funding right now is about five hundred 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:24.720 and fifty thousand dollars the second project is Jennings and Alexander formerly 00:39:24.720 --> 00:39:30.240 known as Lee Elementary significantly longer stretches a sidewalk this is the 00:39:30.240 --> 00:39:39.920 the Stewart Road sidewalk both sides from Sun Valley to Windsor that's been a 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:47.760 request for a long time now again a little bit very close to the same 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:52.200 timeline on that finishing up the design in July it's a little bit more to design 00:39:52.200 --> 00:39:55.000 so it's probably going to take a little bit longer and then move into 00:39:55.000 --> 00:40:01.400 construction and then again you're talking about a mile and a half plus on 00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:06.000 can just sidewalk construction that's going to take some time and so we're 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:11.400 estimating end of end of 22 beginning of 23 for completion and about nine 00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:17.920 hundred thousand nine sixty nine seventy thousand for total dollar cost there 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:21.600 but you can see that both of these between the just these two projects 00:40:21.600 --> 00:40:26.320 we're leveraging 1.2 million dollars with our three hundred thousand dollar 00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:31.800 match so we're doing a four to one and some of this money has been sitting idle 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:35.880 for a while and we're very anxious to get it under construction so we don't 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:41.120 lose it if if we wait long enough the cod will say well you didn't really need 00:40:41.120 --> 00:40:44.640 that money we're going to give it to somebody who's ready to move so those 00:40:44.640 --> 00:40:48.200 are our two active projects will be keep will be bringing you updates as we get 00:40:48.200 --> 00:40:53.200 into design and construction for both of these safe route to school project we 00:40:53.200 --> 00:40:58.800 did not receive any funding for this latest call the city of Dallas was 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:02.720 awarded all of the safe route to school money understand they have a great need 00:41:02.720 --> 00:41:05.760 but we were a little bit disappointed we thought we had some good candidates and 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:10.520 we scored fairly well but not well enough to get money and the other one I 00:41:10.520 --> 00:41:13.760 want to talk about is the bike scooter share program I don't know if you've 00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:18.560 noticed but bail has left the building they have withdrawn from the Denton 00:41:18.560 --> 00:41:25.000 market because of the inability to include a scooter element in their 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:29.240 program they no longer do bike only if they don't have a combined bike scooter 00:41:29.240 --> 00:41:37.280 program they don't participate so they have left the the city and we were 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.640 originally they originally told us they would stay until the end of the year but 00:41:40.640 --> 00:41:47.120 they have pulled out early and so we will be working with UNT and TWU and any 00:41:47.120 --> 00:41:54.240 other partner to identify opportunities for our new vendor and the stipulations 00:41:54.240 --> 00:41:59.280 and the conditions of that contract so stay tuned that will be coming back to 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:10.040 you soon and hopefully we'll have a new bike vendor early in 2021 and then the 00:42:10.040 --> 00:42:15.000 last item is the community this is a virtual community meetings on the 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:19.800 mobility plan this is the last round of public input we are on meeting for 00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:24.680 tonight we've had three we did the downtown the northern and the western 00:42:24.680 --> 00:42:29.760 sections tonight is the eastern section and next week is the southern section so 00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:35.480 basically these are virtual zoom webinar type meetings where we present the the 00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:41.080 the plan as it sits sits now the draft plan and we're receiving feedback from 00:42:41.080 --> 00:42:47.240 the community and folding that into the final plan which will be done probably 00:42:47.240 --> 00:42:54.000 sometime in November and expectation is to move forward with adoption at the 00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:59.200 earliest late this year but more likely in early 2021 just because we've got an 00:42:59.200 --> 00:43:04.320 election in November and and I think the the sentiment is that we would rather 00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:08.640 push that a couple months and give the new council opportunity to get 00:43:08.640 --> 00:43:14.920 comfortable before we dump something as large and as important as the mobility 00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:20.680 plan update on them so we're looking for again the final report from our 00:43:20.680 --> 00:43:25.480 consultant probably in November and moving forward to council adoption 00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:32.720 probably early 2021 any questions I'll stop sharing 00:43:32.720 --> 00:43:38.640 it's been bright one one question what is the city's official position on 00:43:38.640 --> 00:43:42.160 scooters for some reason I had thought that we had not actually adopted 00:43:42.160 --> 00:43:47.760 importance on that what is the position I don't know that the city has stated 00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:54.180 one I could be wrong but I know that UNT is opposed to allowing scooters on 00:43:54.180 --> 00:44:02.080 campus so obviously that's a large share of the market from veos or any any ride 00:44:02.080 --> 00:44:08.520 share providers standpoint if we can't capture the the college market then 00:44:08.520 --> 00:44:14.960 we're missing part of our market totally but the other reason I think that 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:19.120 they're leaving is that they no longer do bike only so we we need to find a 00:44:19.120 --> 00:44:24.400 vendor who does a bike only like be bike or or some other vendor and this gives 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:27.520 us the opportunity to look at the program and reevaluate do we want to do 00:44:27.520 --> 00:44:34.160 doctor dockless do we want to do electric assist there it it may turn out 00:44:34.160 --> 00:44:38.760 to be a benefit for us just because we get to reevaluate what we want in a 00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:45.720 program and if and and it gives us the opportunity to discuss do we want have 00:44:45.720 --> 00:44:49.440 the sentiments changed and do we want to allow scooters I don't think we're there 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.920 right now and in fact a lot of cities are pulling the scooters off the 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:58.720 streets and off the off the sidewalks just due to some safety concerns those 00:44:58.720 --> 00:45:05.840 safety issues continue to exist and so they've got some seated scooters they've 00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:13.240 got stand on scooters but the issue is do they belong on a sidewalk this goes 00:45:13.240 --> 00:45:18.160 back to the very similar to the golf cart discussion is does a scooter that 00:45:18.160 --> 00:45:22.320 can move at 10 to 15 miles an hour belong on a sidewalk with three to five 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:27.040 mile an hour pedestrians and do they belong on a 30 mile an hour or 35 mile 00:45:27.040 --> 00:45:33.480 an hour city street it's just they're somewhere in between and it's it's a 00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:36.080 difficult decision 00:45:36.080 --> 00:45:51.680 okay I have a question if you're done with that okay I wasn't sure your 00:45:51.680 --> 00:45:55.760 screens a little slow so I was trying to catch up so I do have a question about 00:45:55.760 --> 00:46:01.920 the sidewalks that you're gonna put in over by the getting school is that on 00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:08.480 both sides of Stewart yes only on one side both sides Wow so you're gonna take 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:15.640 are you gonna I'm curious because on one side because I I traveled that street 00:46:15.640 --> 00:46:21.880 one side there's houses that back up with backyards do you is that I guess 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:28.080 part of that still city where the fences and I think you're speaking of the west 00:46:28.080 --> 00:46:35.600 side yes yes so the fences and this is we will identify or we will confirm 00:46:35.600 --> 00:46:40.920 that those fences that identify the backyard limitations that they are in 00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:46.520 fact on the right away line even with that easement in place or that Parkway 00:46:46.520 --> 00:46:53.960 distance available there's a lot of trees and a lot of utility poles so the 00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:57.960 west side is going to be a challenge but we think that we've walked it twice with 00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:02.880 the consultant and they think they can they can weave a sidewalk either between 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.560 the trees or we may have to move some utility poles but they think they can 00:47:06.560 --> 00:47:11.120 get a sidewalk on the west side as well okay I was curious because yeah because 00:47:11.120 --> 00:47:16.840 we sometimes all all right we'll ride that and and there is a bike bike lanes 00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:22.480 on Stewart and I often see people walking in the bike lane so it's 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:32.680 definitely something that's needed this all right thank you I have one more 00:47:32.680 --> 00:47:38.080 question if I can't since nobody's speaking so when you I wasn't able to 00:47:38.080 --> 00:47:44.040 access one of the mobility mobility I can't talk they know the North mobility 00:47:44.040 --> 00:47:50.520 plan are you do you go over everything because if I want to join tonight does 00:47:50.520 --> 00:47:55.800 it's just on it's just the east side today right you'll or do you kind of go 00:47:55.800 --> 00:48:01.440 over everything we we really focus on the geographic area but we we 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:07.280 structured these so that if if somebody could not attend the meeting session 00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.760 that they were really interested in we can go back and answer questions 00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:16.520 relative to that I will say that the and I think we're current the the 00:48:16.520 --> 00:48:20.840 presentations are on the website and the question and answer also on the 00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.680 website so you can see you can see the questions that were answered and the 00:48:23.680 --> 00:48:28.240 responses that were given and you may want to do that it may answer you they 00:48:28.240 --> 00:48:31.680 make somebody may have asked a question that you're gonna ask or you can show up 00:48:31.680 --> 00:48:37.160 to any of the meetings and ask a specific question about another part of 00:48:37.160 --> 00:48:42.240 town I think trade I believe we tried to craft the the captions so that it was a 00:48:42.240 --> 00:48:50.360 focus on but not limited to a specific geographic area we don't we don't and we 00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:55.680 talk about the general planning steps that were taken but we don't look at 00:48:55.680 --> 00:48:59.440 the entire plan at any one of these meetings that would it would just be yeah 00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:04.360 crazy yeah I mean I did look at the North part of the 10 when I realized I 00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:09.200 couldn't get in like it was very last minute on my end so I understand what 00:49:09.200 --> 00:49:13.680 somebody wasn't able to let me in in time but and I did look at like all the 00:49:13.680 --> 00:49:16.840 comments not all of them there's a lot of comments but I looked at several 00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:21.160 comments of specific spaces that I and it seemed like a lot of people have 00:49:21.160 --> 00:49:28.480 contributed to you know to those maps we've had good turnout very good that's 00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:38.400 the Western was probably the lightest but it's also probably the less the 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:43.760 least amount of changes happening over there okay alright thank you that's all 00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:56.640 yeah did we lose our I think we did no I'm here sorry just connection problems 00:49:56.640 --> 00:50:07.880 I'm just yeah meeting the video is there any other comment okay without any other 00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:14.440 comments that is our last item and so this I think we can go ahead and adjourn 00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:20.880 this meeting thank you very much thank you for your time thank you all