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 you sorry your video froze on my end I apologize okay well welcome to our

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 September 17th 2020 meeting appreciate those who are here it looks like we do

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 have a quorum now and we'll try to do this meeting officially today so with

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 our first item for consideration is item a TSC oh well do we need to first

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 approve the meat the meeting minutes yeah so item TSC 20 - 0 1 6 is to prove

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 the minutes from July 20 2020 and so I just need a motion to approve those

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 minutes I motion to approve the moments the minutes all all in seconds we have a

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 motion from Melissa and a second from Clay all in favor hi actually sorry I've

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 got a I've got to stop you there because we're we're doing it like this you've

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 got to do it you've got to go down the roll of those who are here okay okay so

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 I can get Melissa yes I just need to say my name is that what's happening I'm

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 Melissa car here no no it just he's got it he's got to take the vote that way

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 it's not like a yeah so your present absent thing it's just a as we're doing

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 the votes he's got to call you out one at a time and you can say aye or yes sir

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 or in favor of yes yeah so yeah yeah your name yes or no

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 okay just go around so Melissa yeah Clay yeah Connie okay and I think that's all

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 of our council members we have in attendance correct I'm not I want to

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 make sure I'm not missing anyone well plus yourself and plus myself I vote yay

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 thank you I'm here also so okay so the minutes approve so we'll move on to the

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 TSC 20 - zero one seven receive report and hold a discussion and give staff

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 direction regarding the development of an ordinance allowing golf carts to

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 travel on city streets thank you mr. chairman Brian yawn city traffic

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 engineer can you see the screen yes awesome so we're here today to talk

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 about golf carts and their place on city streets we've had a number of requests

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 over the past six actually started before Corona so probably close to a

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 year now requesting the city adopt an ordinance allowing the use of golf carts

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 on city streets primarily coming from the universities both universities like

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 to use the golf carts to maneuver around campus and most of the streets through

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 their campuses or city streets so it's generating the need so can a golf cart

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 use a city street yes the transportation code does allow limited use of golf

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 carts on city streets a golf cart and I can read this but basically if you're in

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 a master plan community on a golf course or on a public or private beach that's

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 one time you can use a golf cart on the street if you're honest if you're if

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 you're driving from your residence to a golf course that is less than two miles

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 from where your house or where the golf cart is normally placed and the roadway

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 is 35 miles an hour less you can by right use a golf cart on a and then the

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 third in which is kind of why we're here today is City Council made by

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 ordinance authorized golf cart use on city streets with some limitations and

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 we can talk about the limitations as you have that you know basically it has to

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 be a 35 mile an hour slower street so one of the stipulations is you have to

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 have a valid driver's license and liability insurance you have to add some

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 safety equipment that may or may not come as standard equipment on all golf

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 carts but there are stipulations that allow the golf cart to function more as

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 a vehicle than a golf cart because typically on a golf course you don't

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 need headlights and breaking lights and mirrors and so and then this is what

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 we're hearing again today well take it back this is a can we can we prohibit

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 golf carts so that's the complete hundred and eighty of what we're here

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 today for is can we by ordinance prohibit golf carts and the answer is

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 yes same same statutes that are listed in the transportation code so what would

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 be the advantages or disadvantages of allowing golf carts or using golf carts

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 on city streets versus a vehicle so one of the arguments from the golf cart user

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 is they're relatively inexpensive to own and operate so I'd rather than have it

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 by a vehicle if I wanted or something else if I wanted to drive say around

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 campus I'm UNT or MTW I can buy a fleet vehicle like a pickup or a sedan and I

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 can drive that up and down this you know the short trips that typically they make

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 or I can have a fleet of very small very efficient electric golf carts and they

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 have the range and the ability to do what I need to do with a lot less of a

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 footprint so golf carts do well for short trips much much better than a

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 vehicle easier to park environmentally friendly quiet if we're talking electric

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 more maneuverable typically than a normal vehicle and again the take up

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 less room in parking and again electric charging for a standard outlet the

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 disadvantages is the disadvantages are fairly limited travel speed so typically

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 an electric golf cart might top out around 25 miles an hour and again that

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 restricts the type of roads that we really want to put them on we don't want

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 them golf cart on University it just would not be appropriate they've got a

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 limited range for the charge versus a normal vehicle with a full tank of gas

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 even on a full charge they're gonna go 40 miles or less which means you have to

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 charge them more frequently again the low speeds have little the lower speed

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 vehicles have lower safety standards and passenger cars and this is what I was

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 talking about earlier most golf carts don't come with a lot of safety features

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 because they're not intended to be driven on a city street or operated as

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 a private vehicle on a roadway and then again they just lack general accepted

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 safety rating system so there's no crash tests they don't they don't have the

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 dummies and the crash test course established for golf carts or low speed

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 vehicle that's the other acronym that we'll use so why we're here today with

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 these things in mind and we can have a much more robust discussion when I'm

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 done but we want to determine if the city of Denton desires a golf cart

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 ordinance do we want to allow by right golf carts to use city streets with the

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 restrictions that we will place on using you know once we craft an ordinance we

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 can place whatever restrictions we want 35 mile an hour less to have to have a

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 driver's license I have to have liability insurance the carts themselves

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 have to have enhanced safety features seat belts we can craft whatever

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 stipulations we want there are plenty of places that have done this so we have a

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 lot of go-bys so that's the first question is do we want to pursue golf

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 carts on city streets if the answer is yes we will proceed with the ordinance

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 development in fact I've already in doing some of the research I've already

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 started kind of putting together the elements that I think would be

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 appropriate we will bring those back to you in a future Commission meeting and

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 then once that is adopted or approved by this group we'll take that to council

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 for consideration as well so with that I'll open the floor I'll stop sharing my

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 screen and we can talk about golf carts and city streets it looks like most

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 people are muted so if you yeah if anyone has if anyone has a question they

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 may other counselors may go ahead are they are we looking at just around the

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 universities we can craft in our ordinance which streets would allow them

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 by right or we can craft which streets by characteristics so we it's really up

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 to us the two universities are the the the primary requesters of this so we

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 don't have a lot of private citizens that want to ride their their golf carts

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 or they've not requested that from us we primarily get the request from the

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 universities it's a lot easier for them to maneuver around campus in a golf cart

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 than it is in a standard vehicle or pickup so again which the streets that

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 we want them on would be up to the up to the council and again we can limit it by

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 name or by classification or both right I see them around TW quite a bit

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 accessing up Bell and I'm okay with that since it's 20 miles an hour so I would

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 say if we do this around the universities and the characteristics

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 should be named streets and speed limits like to add something to that I may so I

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 I'm an agreement I mean I like the idea that there's a restricted streets they

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 they can't go on streets that are more than 35 miles an hour and that to me

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 would simply be to protect them in case somebody got a golf cart that I work at

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 Texas Women's University sometimes students are use the golf carts I mean if

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 you got a student in a cart that didn't generally the TWA students are pretty

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 good but these ordinance would help keep them safe also I would think and I would

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 like to add that as somebody who rides a bicycle I mean I'm allowed to use all

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 the streets regardless of the speed on the street and you know I only need a

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 headlight and a tail light and I have brakes but I I don't have to have a

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 driver's license so to me I mean these are the you're actually asking a little

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 more I mean I I can't I can't always go over 25 miles an hour on my bike so I

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 think all these things are reasonable so I have to say so I would add that you

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 brought up a point that TWA does use the golf carts and one advantage of

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 allowing them on city streets right now they use the sidewalks which which to me

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 is more of a potential conflict with pedestrians than it is with other or as

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 much as it is with other vehicles I mean if you're if you're talking about low

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 speed facilities and and the golf carts can basically keep up with background

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 traffic that's that's less of a conflict than somebody who's walking at three to

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 five miles an hour and a golf cart that's moving at 20 miles an hour on the

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 same pathway I yeah I would agree yeah I mean I've actually you know use the golf

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 cart occasionally on campus and it is troublesome to ride behind people who are

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 walking I don't I don't want to run them over but at the same time you're trying

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 to get somewhere quickly that's why you have the golf cart so I think being able

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 one piece of safety equipment that I would suggest is that reflective orange

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 triangle to be put on the back of them like you often see on tractors and in

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 Amish country on the back of buggies right

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 okay are there any other comments and if not do you so the agenda recommends that

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 we give staff direction is that does that mean we need a vote on this one or

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 is that just our verbal recommendations that we've art there it's not a vote

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 it's just do we have a consensus for the staff have a consensus of the board to

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 move forward on advancing the item I think right now I mean to certainly have

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 expressed support a consensus would be for so if you and mr. Baker would chime

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 in as well also I did get a message from Sarah

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 Fulwood that for the online commenting that there were no online comments

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 before the meeting and no callers just for the for the record thank you yes I

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 also support I support this measure so I think it's a good move Connie do you

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 I did do oh okay well on the on the golf carts I agree around the campuses but

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 not on city streets like you know there there a lot of traffic people of speeds

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 and stuff like yet I'd be more you know around the campuses not on city streets

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 not because they move too slow and like say it'd be a hazard to the vehicle so

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 but around campuses I think you would work great is this and in some of the

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 cases campus right correct me if I'm wrong but campus includes city streets

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 right so this like for example at TWU or UNT if we don't include city streets

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 some city streets in this then that would preclude the golf carts from from

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 moving in pretty slow moving streets along the campus is that is that

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 correct yes sir about both universities have a

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 number of public city streets right so so would you still be opposed to that

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 can you hear me now okay well yeah the city there is city streets that run

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 through the campuses but most of those streets are 20 mile an hour not 30 most

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 of them are all 20 it goes through the campuses most of them most of them are

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 30 but they're on their outer edge so like I say that's that's the safety

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 reason with the vehicles is what I was talking about they don't move fast

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 enough and traffic so but like say most of them are 20 mile an hour in in the

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 in the schools so you're in favor of 20 miles per hour less is that your yes I

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 would around the campuses like say it'd be fine but like say 20 mile an hour is

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 what speed is around most both the universities okay so I'll just I'll stay

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 for the record I mean I trust if we move forward with this for the commission

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 identifies safe streets where this would be appropriate so I'm a little I'm

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 personally a little weary of putting too many limits on it because they may find

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 a street where it's 25 that's appropriate at near campus or in an

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 appropriate spot so I'm supportive of the measure in general so and we can put

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 for the record Connie has some reservations about speed limits in

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 certain city streets where would be a lot of does that do those comments allow

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 those will be really helpful so with that we can move on to item CTSC 20 - 0 1

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 8 receive a report for the discussion regarding the city of Denton's Americans

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 with disabilities 88 transition plan okay somehow I've frozen my screen I got

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 can you see it yes awesome all right so this item is just an update of the ADA

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 transition plan that the city conducted several months ago completed several

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 months ago prior to Mark's departure I don't know that we have presented any of

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 this information to you so I wanted to bring it back just to show you where

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 some of the results of the study and our next steps moving forward so we

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 completed this plan late in 2019 basically what we what we accomplished

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 ramps crosswalks and traffic signals that are not in compliance with the

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 Americans with Disabilities Act and we also got a we've got a list of those

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 that fall short and a cost estimate to bring them into compliance so I'm just

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 going to go through a couple of examples this is curb ramps at traffic signals

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 you can look at the numbers that you evaluated they so the curb ramps lands

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 in crosswalk which is a problem 684 were evaluated seven six hundred and seventy

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 eight are compliant pretty good compliance but when you get down to the

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 five fifty six percent compliance so we've got some work to do at traffic

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 signals relative to grants a lot of these are older they predate the 88 act

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 parallel to crossing ninety nine point one percent but when you get again to

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 corridor and just really this is a fantastic asset management tool we now

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 know the condition and and some of the compliance elements of most of the

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 existing sidewalks in town so this table that you can't read which was your

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 we're not intended to necessarily but for every sidewalk segment every

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 corridor they prepared this analysis sheet they looked at different possible

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 problems the joints you know the surface the tripping hazards and they developed

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 a cost estimate for repairing those each of those items so as a summary we've

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 got set traffic signals again it's a number of different elements could be

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 curb ramps could be push buttons could be the pedestrian heads but we've got

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 several of them that are in great need like 31 are high priority out of our

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 hundred and twenty three total so and we've added signals since then but most

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 of the signals that we're constructing now are in full compliance as they're

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 constructed so we're we're meeting the the standards in the ADA with all new

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 construction so most of what we're seeing here that's not compliant is old

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 construction and some of it is very old construction some of the signals we have

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 in town are 30 34 years old so they certainly are not in compliance with the

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 act itself and then this is the sidewalk corridors look at as a as far as a

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 priority of repair or non-compliance 370 miles are in need of some kind of

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 adjustment and and with varying costs associated but so here's a here's a

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 summary of the compliance costs signalized intersections and if we just

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 look at let's just look at the total because even a low priority at some

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 point we're gonna have to address those but we've got four million almost five

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 million dollars in signal needs the sidewalks that are just in a corridor

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 so it's not necessarily associated with a signalized intersection just in

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 between blocks we've got 11 million dollars of need and then the curb ramps

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 is probably the biggest element that where we're non-compliant and again

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 that's primarily because a lot of them were put in quite some time ago and as

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 we as we reconstruct streets we we fix them but basically the consultant

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 identified over 18 million dollars of curb ramp needs for just to come into

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 compliance so a total of 34 million and these are all unfunded improvements

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 right now so our next steps are to develop a detailed project prioritization

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 so we've got the high medium low priority we need to identify projects and

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 put them into funding years basically put together a program for compliance

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 maybe looking five to ten years out and identifying those funding needs and then

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 we can once we know what we need the next five years in the next ten years

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 then we can start looking for those funding opportunities whether being

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 through bond elections or partnering with a an external agency like tech stop

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 or the North Central Texas Council of Governments so where that's where we are

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 we know what we've we know what we have or actually what we don't have we know

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 how much it's going to cost to fix it and our next steps and this was not part

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 of the scope of the contract with consultant is to put together an

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 implementation plan so that's right now staff is is working on identifying the

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 elements of our CIP that might satisfy some of these needs so we can pull that

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 out of the 34 million we don't want to double fund it and we don't want to do

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 it twice so as capital improvement projects are identified and funded and

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 go to construction if they include sidewalks or the ramps or the signal

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 rebuild we can take that out of this bigger list and what's left is what we

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 have to program over the next five ten fifteen years so with that that's the

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 end of my presentation I'll stop sharing and I will tell it we'll have a

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 discussion if you have questions I'll try and answer thank you Brian I have

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 two one question and one comment the question is will prioritization also

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 focus on higher you know higher use areas for example I think you all know

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 I've asked about a specific curb right here right by the square that prevents

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 people wheelchairs from accessing the square if they're coming on Hickory from

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 the Carol side and so I it would seem to me that that that's a high walking you

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 know high walking and wheelchair use area and so are we prioritizing based on

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 maybe density closeness to the core access to services like DCTA so I'm

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 curious about the what about the our prioritizing and my second comment is

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 just one that I brought up before I'm I would prefer instead of push buttons we

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 just have automatic walk signals everywhere and so I don't know if that's

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 something that can be considered but I think you know pedestrian shouldn't have

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 to ask permission to cross the street just like cars don't have to you know

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 push a button to get a green light so I think that that would be a better policy

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 and make her more walkable didn't everywhere that's safer for produce okay

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 so the first the first question is how are we going to prioritize and we have a

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 couple of options there is a prioritization system that was

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 established with the mobility plan update where we look at proximity to

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 schools large generators specific land use types that tend to generate

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 pedestrian traffic that certainly is one option we also have on our on our

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 website we have a more detailed prioritization methodology where we we

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 actually go out and collect data because another issue with specifically

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 pedestrian traffic and this is something that I've experienced in other cities is

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 if you've got a goat trail or cow path or whatever you want to call it and and

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 you can say you've got two and one is next to University Boulevard and one is

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 next to a residential collector then that high-speed high-volume roadway

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 introduces some risk factors that might not necessarily be grabbed by a

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 prioritization that looks at how many pedestrians are there and what's the

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 proximity to the different kind of land uses so we may want to fold in some

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 additional data take our mobility plan prioritization and fold in some some

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 adjacent street characteristic data and make a prioritization via that method so

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 we have some established pathways forward so we'll and we can we'll we can

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 talk about this in future meetings on how we want to know what are the right

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 criteria what the ranking if you want to use a point system so that if you're

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 next to a school if you're within a quarter mile of the school you get X

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 points if you're next to a large generator like heavy commercial a lot of

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 commercial a lot of retail or a park then you get X number of points and then

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 at the end of the day you add up all the points and that's a rank so then you can

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 that's one way relative to your your comment about the pedestrian detection

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 we are acquiring some hardware right now we're gonna put it on the on the square

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 not sure if you're aware but the council did decide to leave the the all-way

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 crossing in place it was previously no formerly known as all walk crosswalk so

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 in an effort to test some hardware we're gonna install one intersection with the

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 the passive detection and so we're gonna test it it adds some cost to the

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 installation but moving towards that not having to push a button approach so

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 there's two ways we can not push a button we can we can run the the

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 pedestrian concurrent with the signal so that when the signal comes green the

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 parallel pedestrian gets to walk the problem with that is most of our signals

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 are on there they're on a they're basically run free in the evenings and

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 off-peaks and so unless there's a vehicle to call up that associated

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 vehicular movement the pedestrian won't have the opportunity to get the call I

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 mean the walk signal unless they push a button so what we're trying to do is as

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 do like you said exactly the same way that a vehicle requests service it just

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 shows up and we have a camera or other device that detects its presence and

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 we're gonna try and do that same passive detection with pedestrians thank you I

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 appreciate that and to be clear my comment wasn't necessarily even I

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 appreciate I mean I think that's a compromise I would I would be in favor of

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 just automatic you know lights and we don't even need detection on any of

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 these but but I understand that we've already discussed this a lot so I just I

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 just wanted to kind of share that but yeah I would just to your your first

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 comment about prioritization I hope that the core would be prioritized right

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 again it's the most walkable area and it and although I've course like schools

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 are great addition to prioritization but when I say the core I generally mean UNT

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 TW DCTA and that kind of area that's the most the most walkable so I hope that

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 receives some because one broken sidewalk can you know we've already got

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 pretty decent sidewalks there but one broken one makes it inaccessible to

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 someone with a stroll wheelchair in particular but can make it more

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 difficult for strollers and things like that and so you know Hickory is about to

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 get redone a lot and hopefully the sidewalks and we'll get curb cuts and

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 spots where there's not there but anyway that's just that's just my comment

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 that's all I've got okay thank you any other comments from councilmember hey

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 with that one any oh yes I have one question on the funding if any of the

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 recent bonds funds would be applied to this particularly sidewalks yes I think

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 the the intent for the 2019 bond was to do gap infill and so you and I might

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 defer to Trey or maybe this is a discussion for another day for hitting

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 the fine points but a lot of times those capital dollars are not necessarily

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 allowed to be used on what we considered maintenance so replacing or fixing a

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 broken sidewalk a trip hazard probably would not be considered eligible for bond

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 funding those are typically capital dollars but when you but if you do an

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 entire replacement program then I think we open up that eligibility a little bit

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 so the answer is yes and no not on small stuff but if we did an entire

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 programmatic we're gonna replace the you know two miles of sidewalk along X and Y

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 streets and I think we have the opportunity to use the bond funding and

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 I'll defer to Trey if he's got any further dad I do not okay so it just as

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 in a closing it it really depends on how we use them some I think we can make

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 them eligible but we have to be careful on making sure it's a capital project

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 not a maintenance project hey is there is there any other comments

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 I'm sorry one other thing I just thought of briefly I'll just I'll bring up is

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 that we've recently installed a new you know sidewalk and railing that's right

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 next to barley and board on the street and I will say I was a little

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 disappointed to look at the way that we're still getting I think a variety of

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 intersections of seeing where we instead of just having a flat area or having

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 access in all directions we have these like big concrete blocks we still are

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 not thinking about access across in that case there's no that was designed with

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 no crosswalk across the street which I think is increasing to the more highway

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 people on the square of cars and so I just hope that as we're adding new stuff

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 we're thinking about the most accessible means and not putting these weird large

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 concrete blocks unnecessary like I guess there's just a gear people directions

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 but if we just have those flat intersections those seem to be a lot

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 safer and then if we have had crosswalks I mean I think the intention where there

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 was was to deter people from crossing the street even though there's a cross

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 street right there behind Marley and board and direct them somewhere else

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 which is just not walkable it's not a way to design an urban area but so I

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 hope we can look at that because I still see like new stuff being designed not

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 using walkability in the core and so I just hope that that we can make the the

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 more walkable it is the more

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 okay

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 if there's not any further comments are there any further comments we are not

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 making any recommendations on this I read I don't think we need to even

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 necessarily give the staff directions so we can go and move on to our next item

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 our next item is item D TSC 20 - 019 staff update regarding the safe routes

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 to school bike scooter share programs and community input on mobility plan

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 okay sharing my screen okay can you see that okay so two items on our staff

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 report the first is safe route to school we have two active safe route to school

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 projects both are significantly funded through our partner groups of tex dot

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 and the cog the first is pecan Wilson and pecan Creek and Wilson elementaries

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 we've got about almost three-quarters of a mile a bit more of sidewalk post and

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 looking for we're moving into the design now hopefully a complete design by March

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 and then move into construction in 2021 and and with that amount of construction

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 probably six to eight months and possibly more it really depends on what

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 we find in the design phase but we're estimating that will be done sometime in

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 2022 and again a total cost our total funding right now is about five hundred

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 and fifty thousand dollars the second project is Jennings and Alexander formerly

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 known as Lee Elementary significantly longer stretches a sidewalk this is the

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 the Stewart Road sidewalk both sides from Sun Valley to Windsor that's been a

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 request for a long time now again a little bit very close to the same

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 timeline on that finishing up the design in July it's a little bit more to design

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 so it's probably going to take a little bit longer and then move into

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 construction and then again you're talking about a mile and a half plus on

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 can just sidewalk construction that's going to take some time and so we're

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 estimating end of end of 22 beginning of 23 for completion and about nine

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 hundred thousand nine sixty nine seventy thousand for total dollar cost there

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 but you can see that both of these between the just these two projects

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 we're leveraging 1.2 million dollars with our three hundred thousand dollar

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 match so we're doing a four to one and some of this money has been sitting idle

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 for a while and we're very anxious to get it under construction so we don't

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 lose it if if we wait long enough the cod will say well you didn't really need

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 that money we're going to give it to somebody who's ready to move so those

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 are our two active projects will be keep will be bringing you updates as we get

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 into design and construction for both of these safe route to school project we

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 did not receive any funding for this latest call the city of Dallas was

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 awarded all of the safe route to school money understand they have a great need

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 but we were a little bit disappointed we thought we had some good candidates and

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 we scored fairly well but not well enough to get money and the other one I

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 want to talk about is the bike scooter share program I don't know if you've

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 noticed but bail has left the building they have withdrawn from the Denton

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 market because of the inability to include a scooter element in their

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 program they no longer do bike only if they don't have a combined bike scooter

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 program they don't participate so they have left the the city and we were

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 originally they originally told us they would stay until the end of the year but

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 they have pulled out early and so we will be working with UNT and TWU and any

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 other partner to identify opportunities for our new vendor and the stipulations

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 and the conditions of that contract so stay tuned that will be coming back to

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 you soon and hopefully we'll have a new bike vendor early in 2021 and then the

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 last item is the community this is a virtual community meetings on the

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 mobility plan this is the last round of public input we are on meeting for

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 tonight we've had three we did the downtown the northern and the western

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 sections tonight is the eastern section and next week is the southern section so

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 basically these are virtual zoom webinar type meetings where we present the the

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 the plan as it sits sits now the draft plan and we're receiving feedback from

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 the community and folding that into the final plan which will be done probably

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 sometime in November and expectation is to move forward with adoption at the

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 earliest late this year but more likely in early 2021 just because we've got an

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 election in November and and I think the the sentiment is that we would rather

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 push that a couple months and give the new council opportunity to get

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 comfortable before we dump something as large and as important as the mobility

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 plan update on them so we're looking for again the final report from our

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 consultant probably in November and moving forward to council adoption

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 probably early 2021 any questions I'll stop sharing

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 it's been bright one one question what is the city's official position on

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 scooters for some reason I had thought that we had not actually adopted

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 importance on that what is the position I don't know that the city has stated

439
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 one I could be wrong but I know that UNT is opposed to allowing scooters on

440
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 campus so obviously that's a large share of the market from veos or any any ride

441
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 share providers standpoint if we can't capture the the college market then

442
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 we're missing part of our market totally but the other reason I think that

443
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 they're leaving is that they no longer do bike only so we we need to find a

444
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 vendor who does a bike only like be bike or or some other vendor and this gives

445
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 us the opportunity to look at the program and reevaluate do we want to do

446
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 doctor dockless do we want to do electric assist there it it may turn out

447
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 to be a benefit for us just because we get to reevaluate what we want in a

448
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 program and if and and it gives us the opportunity to discuss do we want have

449
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 the sentiments changed and do we want to allow scooters I don't think we're there

450
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 right now and in fact a lot of cities are pulling the scooters off the

451
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 streets and off the off the sidewalks just due to some safety concerns those

452
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 safety issues continue to exist and so they've got some seated scooters they've

453
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 got stand on scooters but the issue is do they belong on a sidewalk this goes

454
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 back to the very similar to the golf cart discussion is does a scooter that

455
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 can move at 10 to 15 miles an hour belong on a sidewalk with three to five

456
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 mile an hour pedestrians and do they belong on a 30 mile an hour or 35 mile

457
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 an hour city street it's just they're somewhere in between and it's it's a

458
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 difficult decision

459
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 okay I have a question if you're done with that okay I wasn't sure your

460
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 screens a little slow so I was trying to catch up so I do have a question about

461
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 the sidewalks that you're gonna put in over by the getting school is that on

462
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 both sides of Stewart yes only on one side both sides Wow so you're gonna take

463
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 are you gonna I'm curious because on one side because I I traveled that street

464
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 one side there's houses that back up with backyards do you is that I guess

465
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 part of that still city where the fences and I think you're speaking of the west

466
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 side yes yes so the fences and this is we will identify or we will confirm

467
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 that those fences that identify the backyard limitations that they are in

468
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 fact on the right away line even with that easement in place or that Parkway

469
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 distance available there's a lot of trees and a lot of utility poles so the

470
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 west side is going to be a challenge but we think that we've walked it twice with

471
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 the consultant and they think they can they can weave a sidewalk either between

472
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 the trees or we may have to move some utility poles but they think they can

473
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 get a sidewalk on the west side as well okay I was curious because yeah because

474
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 we sometimes all all right we'll ride that and and there is a bike bike lanes

475
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 on Stewart and I often see people walking in the bike lane so it's

476
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 definitely something that's needed this all right thank you I have one more

477
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 question if I can't since nobody's speaking so when you I wasn't able to

478
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 access one of the mobility mobility I can't talk they know the North mobility

479
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 plan are you do you go over everything because if I want to join tonight does

480
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 it's just on it's just the east side today right you'll or do you kind of go

481
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 over everything we we really focus on the geographic area but we we

482
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 structured these so that if if somebody could not attend the meeting session

483
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 that they were really interested in we can go back and answer questions

484
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 relative to that I will say that the and I think we're current the the

485
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 presentations are on the website and the question and answer also on the

486
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 website so you can see you can see the questions that were answered and the

487
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:28,240
 responses that were given and you may want to do that it may answer you they

488
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 make somebody may have asked a question that you're gonna ask or you can show up

489
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 to any of the meetings and ask a specific question about another part of

490
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 town I think trade I believe we tried to craft the the captions so that it was a

491
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 focus on but not limited to a specific geographic area we don't we don't and we

492
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 talk about the general planning steps that were taken but we don't look at

493
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 the entire plan at any one of these meetings that would it would just be yeah

494
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 crazy yeah I mean I did look at the North part of the 10 when I realized I

495
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 couldn't get in like it was very last minute on my end so I understand what

496
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 somebody wasn't able to let me in in time but and I did look at like all the

497
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 comments not all of them there's a lot of comments but I looked at several

498
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 comments of specific spaces that I and it seemed like a lot of people have

499
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 contributed to you know to those maps we've had good turnout very good that's

500
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 the Western was probably the lightest but it's also probably the less the

501
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 least amount of changes happening over there okay alright thank you that's all

502
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:56,640
 yeah did we lose our I think we did no I'm here sorry just connection problems

503
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 I'm just yeah meeting the video is there any other comment okay without any other

504
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 comments that is our last item and so this I think we can go ahead and adjourn

505
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 this meeting thank you very much thank you for your time thank you all