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 Good afternoon. It is 1233 and I would like to welcome you all to the September 14th Parks

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 Board meeting. I am Frances Punch, the chair for the Parks Board. Today we have two board

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 member excused absences. Do we have any members from the public? No ma'am, there are no members

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 of the public wishing to speak. Thank you so much for that information. The first item

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 for consideration is approval of the minutes for the August 17th meeting. Any questions/concerns?

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 I see no questions or concerns. I need a motion for approval. I have a motion from David Shook.

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 I need a second please. Second. A second from Alana Presley Taylor. Thank you so much. All

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 in favor? All members are voting. Anyone opposed? No one opposed. The minutes are approved.

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 The second item, we are going to hear from the Parks Foundation and going to look at

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 the agreement with the Parks Foundation to allow the Parks Foundation to raise funds

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 on behalf of the Parks and Recs Department. Frances, Gary Pack and Parks and Recreation.

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 Just want to kind of introduce the item. Brooke Moore obviously is here to provide you the

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 presentation in any detail. This is the third year that we have gone through this specific

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 kind of process with the Park Foundation in the agreement. A little bit different this

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 year. We typically do the presentation during budget, but with COVID our budget presentations

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 were very short and quick, so this was delayed until a little bit later in the process. We

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 do have the funding in the current budget as it's being considered, and obviously that

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 could change up into the last minute, but wanted to have the Park Foundation provide

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 an update, kind of what's going on over the past 12 months. Obviously the last six months

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 have been very challenging for everybody. And then kind of what the plan or the approach

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 is as we hopefully head into next fiscal year with more positive environment. So Brooke,

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 stage is yours and I'll go ahead and bring the presentation up.

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 Awesome, thank you.

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 If you just want to tell me when to change, we'll change it for you.

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 You got it. So thank you all so much for having me here and having me each month. It's nice

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 having the inside scoop and making sure we are aligned properly and keeping up to date

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 with one another, we'll jump right in. No worries, you're good. Fabulous, thank you.

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 So we'll just jump right in and go to the next slide and let you guys know that in August

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 2019, the Denton Parks Foundation, we did meet for a retreat and we developed a new

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 mission and vision. So that really reflected and created to ensure that the organization

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 could continue to grow and effectively serve the Denton Parks and Recreation Department

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 for decades to come. So our new mission really is to engage the Denton community to enhance

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 the mission of the Denton Parks and Recreation Department to unite, grow and play. And our

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 vision is to unite people of our parks and play through investments, advocacy, volunteers

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 and resulting in accessibility and quality life for all residents. Next slide please.

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 So how do we do this is always the next question, right? During 2019 and 2020, the Denton Parks

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 Foundation invested over $40,000 in Parks and People. We invested in the Canine Campaign.

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 That was roughly a little over $25,000. Parks and Play updates, you'll see that we helped

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 to replace a slide and spinner replacement as well as the vandalism cleanup and resurfacing

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 at Eureka 2. We were able to provide 81 scholarships and one nonprofit grant to ensure that the

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 individuals that were being served through the nonprofit had access to recreational activities

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 at the shelter for Denton County Friends of the Family. We also were able to add 11 benches

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 at the dog park and then the dog park shade structure. And we did this through a number

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 of events. Now let's all be real. We can do the math really quickly and realize that we

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 did not come out on top. Your investment of $76,500 and your return was negative $35,900.46.

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 That's a hard pill to swallow as the person who's doing the job. However, we can answer

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 the question of why was there a loss? Short answer, COVID. We had a lot of new events

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 coming up and we were really excited. Some of them did well. Like Galentine's Day, we

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 raised about $4,000. It was our first go round, but we were able to develop relationships

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 with individuals that I'm sure moving forward, we will be able to build those relationships

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 and get more donations and donors. We had to kind of change up gears this year with

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 the home hop egg drop. We had to get creative. Originally, that was going to be the adult

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 egg hunt and be able to bring in a lot more money. However, we ended up getting stuck

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 with a bunch of eggs and we just got creative on how we could spread the joy and still raise

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 some funds. And then I just wanted to give you guys an update. Splish splash doggy bash.

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 We would have had that this year. Actually, that would have probably been last Saturday.

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 However, due to COVID, we were not able to do that. And last year we made about $4,000

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 with that as well. Next slide, please. Thank you. So knowing that we didn't make our numbers

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 this year still lets us know that there's still a need. And we didn't sit quietly and

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 not do anything. In fact, we were in the process of securing an endowment to support equitable

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 access to parks and recreational services. We also have an additional $18,000 readily

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 available for scholarship funding in the coming year or whenever these services are available

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 to individuals. Denton Parks Foundation will continue its efforts to ensure children and

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 individuals have depart services no matter their ability to pay. And recognizing moving

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 forward, there's going to be even more need for this as people are starting to struggle

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 to make ends meet while still trying to maintain a healthy and quality life. Next slide, please.

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 So what did we do if we weren't able to raise funds? We spent a lot of time advocating for

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 parks. We were being a voice for parks and advocating to help make parks better for all.

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 So what did that look like? We promoted the 10-minute walk to a safe and quality park.

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 We promoted people using their outside voice for the bond election and attending input

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 meetings. We also did two parks and play campaigns, which included essentially me going to the

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 park every single day during the month of February and May and encouraging other people

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 to do so and sharing their stories and experiences. How is that advocacy, you might ask? It was

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 encouraging people to get outside again, go to their parks, but also give them really

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 creative ideas on what they can do at the park. And we got a lot of feedback on that.

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 And then finally, also providing COVID updates and tips on all things park, parks that can

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 include, you know, hey, how do you still go and have a picnic at the park? What's the

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 safest way to do that? And so we really encouraged people to find new ways to engage with parks

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 and play. Next slide. So in addition to our investments directly to the city, one of our

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 areas of impact for the Denton Parks Foundation is providing 501(c)(3) tax exempt status

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 and services to community groups as a fiscal sponsor and partner. These relationships and

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 partners result in associations and committees being able to make park and public space projects

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 happen in Denton. So what does that look like? Juneteenth celebration. It exists to promote,

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 educate and celebrate the history of Juneteenth as well as build community unity. And they

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 do that using our fiscal sponsorship and our nonprofit status to be able to get grant funding

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 and sponsorships and in-kind donations. Similarly, Cinco de Mayo festival does the same thing

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 and provides a spirit of celebration and friendship and sharing, showcasing rich traditions, entertainment,

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 art exhibits and food for Hispanic culture in a free family event. And then two other

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 areas that we continue to support and have done so for a while include the Senior Center

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 Advisory Council, which is a group of seniors dedicated to helping make the senior center

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 even better. And then the Denton Area Tennis Association, who has a mission to promote the

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 game of tennis in the city of Denton. So this is really an indirect way in which we are

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 advocating for more people to have access to park and play through different associations

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 that don't force them to have to also have a board of directors and compete for money

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 instead we are supporting one another. Next slide, please. And then our final area of

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 impact really is our volunteerism. And we're trying to engage people to get out into the

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 parks, play, but also try to make a difference. During COVID, it was a little more difficult

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 to get people out there. And so we just kind of kept with the weekly 10 on Tuesday, and

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 we continue to promote 10 on Tuesday and encouraging people to go out there. We also did dig in

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 coordinate volunteering opportunities at the parks. There's our own Tim Smith there mulching

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 up a tree. And we hope to continue to do that in the coming year working alongside some

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 of Gary's new staff additions. Next slide, please. So really our top three areas are

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 investing our resources clearly misspelled into depart to win the NRP a and traps gold

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 medals. Originally, we had a goal of doing that by 2025. And right now I'm holding off

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 on putting a number to that because y'all this is just wild times, but it still remains

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 that our vision and our goals are going to be the same. We're still going to advocate

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 100% accessibility to equitable depart parks and facilities and provide access to all individuals

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 who qualify for recreational scholarships. Ideally, we would like to be able to provide

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 that we can only do that if we are able to continue to fundraise for the dental parks

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 foundation. Next slide, please. Moving forward, here are some of the ideas that we hope as

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 COVID dissipates and we get back to play that we still have more opportunities to do that.

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 We hope to be able to still provide splish splash doggy bash next year, the adult egg

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 scramble in 2021, a park play library looking at funding that through grant support return

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 to recess and opportunity to engage people, adults specifically to have fun and remind

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 people why it's important to be outside. And then of course, the canine campaign and

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 Galentine's and finally a new one. Parks are art and really developing a designated donor

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 fund for art in the parks. It's going to be starting with the women's interracial fellowship

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 project. Next slide, please. So truly we believe that when a community unites, parks get better

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 and we can only do that when we are united with the city. Together we can work to meet

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 the needs and expectations of our community and filling in that gap where it exists to

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 create a quality life for all dent residents. And that's all I got for you, Gary. The thank

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 you is one of those weird fonts that it just didn't transfer very well, but thank you.

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 We've enjoyed the past year. We truly are hoping to look forward to another year ahead

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 as partners with you all. And I'm moving in for any questions.

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 I have a couple of questions. You mentioned going out being an advocate for the parks

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 and rec department. Can you share with us some parks that you visited?

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 Absolutely. And so I recently went to Mack Park. I went to both of the parks there, divided

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 in half by McKinney Street and posted a video specifically about that experience. Carl Young,

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 I visited a couple of different times, McKenna Park, South Lakes, North Lakes, of course,

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 Avondale and Nettie Schultz because they are right next to my house and that's the easiest

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 one to go to. So it's been an adventure to try to go out and see other parks. I actually

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 just recently, what's the one off of? It's over by Mack. Gary, do you know what I'm talking

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 about?

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 Milam.

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 What is it?

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 Milam.

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 Yes. I just recently visited that one and thoroughly enjoyed it. And we'll definitely

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 be going back to it. I like to take my daughter and just check out different locations.

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 Thank you for that information. Also, the second question is we had a conversation shortly

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 or had a couple of statements about the need for additional diversity. But you did mention

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 a couple when you in your presentation, can you elaborate on what other ways that you're

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 going to incorporate diversity?

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 Absolutely. So right now, our major focus is if we are going to be a diverse organization,

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 we have to start with ourselves. And so I reached out to our board and was very honest

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 with them, Frances, and said, if you looked at our Facebook, we are a very white organization,

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 100%. If I looked at it, I would assume it was that way as well. And largely because

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 that is who follows us. But also for people to see themselves in what we do, we need to

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 look like everybody. So it starts with us by including and making sure that our board

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 is more diverse. Right now we are looking at we actually have ethnically and racially,

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 we have a variety of members on our board. The thing that we don't have is their location.

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 I recently kind of just did an evaluation of our board traits and looked to see what

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 districts that they all live in. We do not have equal representation across all districts.

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 And so that was very eye opening to our president and our exec team. And so we're looking at

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 recruiting individuals that will make sure cover all spectrums there. And then kind of

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 going back to what you were saying, making sure our marketing and things along those

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 lines reflect not just white women faces. Thank you, Ruth. Thank you for being so candid.

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 I have a question for Ms. Taylor. Hi, actually, my question goes right along

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 with what Francis was just asking about. I was kind of wondering like how you choose

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 your board members and like what the criteria is for them to be on the board. And then also

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 do you have any youth advocates that work with your board to tell you what they want?

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 Oh, I love that last part. No. I literally just talked to strangers at the park and asked

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 them what they like or don't like, take it back to the board and tell them, hey, I met

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 two kids at Mellon Park and let me tell you their thoughts. And so truly, that's how they

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 get that information. But I love that idea. And our board of directors, we have a governance

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 committee that looks at recruiting. And so that's truly where it starts. And the governance

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 committee is looking at the skills that we have, the gaps of the skills that we have,

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 race, gender, all those different identities to make sure that when we're recruiting, we're

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 recruiting in the right areas, but also that passion point, right? And so we're also looking

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 for people who have volunteered with us or have shown somehow that they're interested

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 in the parks. And then we're going to reach out to them. It's as opposed to a blanket

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 recruitment. It's kind of individually recruiting and making sure that because it costs money,

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 right, to manage them, make sure it's a good investment of our time. And we do have expectations.

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 And so all board members receive those expectations prior to joining, including making sure that

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 they don't have a conflict of interest and understanding kind of the time commitment

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 of their time, treasure, and talent.

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 Are there any income restrictions with being on the board? Do they have to make like minimum

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 donations every year?

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 There is a minimum donation, and it's just you have to donate. And that truly, you're

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 going to see that across any nonprofit board. And I'll say from working in the nonprofit

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 sector for over 10 years, it's an expectation. Because if you're going to ask other people

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 to donate, you better put your mouth where your wallet is, as well as when applying for

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 grants, it's an important notice. So we don't say that you have to give a large dollar amount,

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 but a dollar amount that is a big deal to you, right? A true investment.

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 Okay. I see Mr. Shook.

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 Yes, strictly from the agreement itself, I saw, I think, two places where there were

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 edits and one was simply getting rid of an extra space and one was updating the date

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 for this year. Were there any other changes to the agreement versus last year that I might

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 have missed?

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 No, that was just, I think we had missed a word on that. So we provided the markup so

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 you can see what the changes we made. So it's easier for you guys to go through it each

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 year.

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 And thank you for that, by the way.

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 But especially with COVID, I mean, it really put a damper on a lot of the planning efforts

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 that the Brook and the Park Foundation has been working on and trying to build off of.

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 So it really is almost like a punt year for those types of activities, unfortunately, and

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 we look forward to getting those ramped back up. But yeah, no major changes whatsoever.

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 Okay. And Brooke, I'd like you to just prevent COVID next year, please. Thank you.

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 You know, like, I got to be honest with y'all. This year, I did say it came out of my mouth.

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 I will never homeschool. And let me tell you, you should never say never, and I should know

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 better by now. And I do kind of take the full blunt of all of this. I'm really sorry.

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 It's your fault.

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 Clearly. So Gary, do you need a vote for us for her for the Parks Foundation to continue

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 to raise funds or?

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 Yeah, I think we have James had his hand up for a question real quick.

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 Sorry, my apologies. Mr. Amrick.

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 No, just actually a suggestion. I love Lana was an excellent suggestion about the kids

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 having a kid a youth group kind of thing input. And just from previous experience, we used

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 to actually have a kid board, or not really didn't call the board, it was kind of like

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 a group of kids. And they would have their own group, and they would do things at parks.

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 And then somebody to go to the board. So that was that worked out real well, they they would

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 like their own person, but that way you have an enthusiastic group that's using the parks.

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 And from that group, then you can get somebody it really worked really well. And also you

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 get a lot of great input from them. I mean, that's, you know, I like to think I think

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 like a kid, but the kids, they can think better than a kid than I can. Okay. That's all I

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 wanted to say.

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 Thank you.

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 Gary, did you have your hand?

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 Yes, just to add to James comment, we do have a teen advisory council that works through

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 the Civic Center. So we definitely could hook them up with with Brooke. Now they're they're

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 more teens and high school kids. They might be another demographic of trying to get some

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 elementary or middle school kids in the mix too. Since usually those are the guys using

00:21:14.840 --> 00:21:19.080
 the playgrounds and more of the activities. But that's definitely a connection we could

00:21:19.080 --> 00:21:21.200
 provide to the Park Foundation as well.

00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:28.120
 And I will say we did talk about doing a group and I think I presented this to you all of

00:21:28.120 --> 00:21:34.680
 my buddies, or I think we landed on another named Parksters of engaging kids out at the

00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:39.800
 park each weekend and then COVID hit. So, you know, hopefully when we're back out at

00:21:39.800 --> 00:21:43.480
 the park playing face to face, that would be a good group to engage and then engage

00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:52.200
 them in an advisory kind of way. I love that idea. Thank you all.

00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:57.520
 So the question is, it's not clear if this is an action item, do you need us to vote

00:21:57.520 --> 00:22:01.360
 for her to continue to raise funds on behalf of the parks and rec board?

00:22:01.360 --> 00:22:07.520
 So what what Brooke is doing is providing a kind of a summary of what was going on last

00:22:07.520 --> 00:22:12.360
 year this past year and then she also has an annual plan that what she wants to do moving

00:22:12.360 --> 00:22:17.960
 forward. But what we'd like from you from the park board is a recommendation to move

00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:22.500
 forward with City Council and do this same presentation to City Council and get any feedback

00:22:22.500 --> 00:22:26.800
 from them. See if they're interested in moving forward. And if they are, then we would go

00:22:26.800 --> 00:22:33.680
 to Council at the first meeting in October with ratification of the agreement. And then

00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:41.120
 that would be executed for fiscal year 2021. So to be clear, we're not voting on the agreement

00:22:41.120 --> 00:22:45.480
 itself. It's just basically whether or not we want to move forward it. Well, yes, it

00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:52.480
 is the agreement that's that's attached to the item as well. Can you bring that up, Gary,

00:22:52.480 --> 00:23:16.840
 sure. Thank you. Sure. I have to get it from another computer. So hang on one second.

00:23:16.840 --> 00:23:33.000
 While he's doing that, did anybody based on the pre reading? Do you have any questions

00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:44.480
 about the agreement other than the ones that David brought up? Gary may be a meat point.

00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:59.600
 You may not. Okay. Okay. So may I have a motion for the parks foundation to raise funds on

00:23:59.600 --> 00:24:05.760
 behalf of the Parks and Recreation Department and for the Parks and Recreation Department

00:24:05.760 --> 00:24:16.880
 to move forward to City Council? All motion. Motion. Alana Taylor, second. All second.

00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:26.160
 James Emmerich, all in favor? Anyone opposed? The ayes have it. Eddie, did you get that

00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:41.080
 vote? Oh, I forgot we're video. Okay, next item. Let's see. We're going to give staff

00:24:41.080 --> 00:24:56.640
 input regarding the potential land consideration for future park plan. I'm going to provide

00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:17.200
 you two bits of information. Maybe. These are all labeled the same, so I have to click

00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:44.800
 on each one. Sorry. Same one keeps coming up. Not sure what's going on there. Okay,

00:25:44.800 --> 00:26:07.480
 here we go. So I think it was two months ago. Can everybody see the presentation? No, no.

00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:29.920
 It's saying screen sharing has failed. Hang on one second. That's new. Uh-oh.

00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:50.480
 This won't be a good presentation if you can't see it. Well, I think we all understand

00:26:50.480 --> 00:27:01.040
 technology. Is it the same stuff we have in the packet? That's the trails one. That specific

00:27:01.040 --> 00:27:22.840
 file doesn't want to open. I think I got it to work now. Okay, there it is. As soon as

00:27:22.840 --> 00:27:30.960
 IT walks in the room, it works. They're magic. Okay, so two months ago, park board had added

00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:36.600
 asked about an update in regards to parkland acquisition. We had it ready to go for last

00:27:36.600 --> 00:27:43.680
 month and we're going to do it under closed session because there are some sensitive properties

00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:48.100
 on there that's not necessarily open for general public consumption at this point in time.

00:27:48.100 --> 00:27:54.160
 So we had to pull it. We did go to council last month and gave them a presentation and

00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:58.560
 definitely wanted to follow back up with park board as well and get some feedback. We did

00:27:58.560 --> 00:28:05.120
 take out the more sensitive properties that are still not for public consumption or discussion

00:28:05.120 --> 00:28:10.080
 at this point in time and we'll provide that to you in the future.

00:28:10.080 --> 00:28:15.700
 So going back to the 10 minute walk that actually had Brook had mentioned earlier, when we presented

00:28:15.700 --> 00:28:22.200
 that to council in early 2019, we selected these specific goals that we're going to work

00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:29.800
 on and that was to develop a measurement strategy with properties and help improve our 10 minute

00:28:29.800 --> 00:28:35.520
 walk capabilities, looking at railroad or utility land ownership that an easements or property

00:28:35.520 --> 00:28:41.120
 that may be underutilized that we could use that's already in city inventory, working

00:28:41.120 --> 00:28:46.680
 with private developers, developers through our 915 916 ordinance, which we continue to

00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:52.740
 do that. Educational providers, DISD or local colleges, and we are having ongoing discussions

00:28:52.740 --> 00:28:58.080
 with a couple of them as well. HOAs, we really haven't worked much in that area at this point

00:28:58.080 --> 00:29:06.000
 in time. Underutilized city property, DME, or even more specifically our utilities department

00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:09.360
 as a whole, we've identified a few properties, which I'll share with you as we kind of go

00:29:09.360 --> 00:29:14.400
 through the slide. And then just identifying potential land that we may want to consider

00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:22.480
 and purchase. So those ultimate goals, we're in the kind of the last stages of working

00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.820
 through that process and that's an official adoption and implementation of the parks and

00:29:25.820 --> 00:29:32.040
 trails master plan. While we're working on that, we did take a pause when Glenn left,

00:29:32.040 --> 00:29:37.540
 we were doing that internally, and then COVID hit as well. So we are actually evaluating

00:29:37.540 --> 00:29:42.660
 this week a consultant to negotiate a contract to get them to come on board and help us finish

00:29:42.660 --> 00:29:48.000
 that project. That's the really next step, but we weren't waiting for the master plan

00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:52.160
 to be adopted. We continue to move forward on looking for land because there is so much

00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:56.640
 development activity in the community we didn't want to miss out because really the best time

00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:03.760
 to buy that property was 20 years ago. So the next best time is today. So we didn't

00:30:03.760 --> 00:30:10.120
 have a process in place on how to determine what property was, you know, how to prioritize

00:30:10.120 --> 00:30:15.520
 it. Whether it's park board or city council or just residents would reach out to us and

00:30:15.520 --> 00:30:19.200
 say, Hey, there's, there's a property in my neighborhood. I think it's a really a good

00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:23.080
 piece of property. Can you guys take a look at purchasing it? And we were getting that

00:30:23.080 --> 00:30:28.800
 from various, various angles. But we wanted to take more of a strategic approach to it.

00:30:28.800 --> 00:30:33.520
 The 10 minute walk obviously, obviously is our first test to see where we may need to

00:30:33.520 --> 00:30:41.980
 buy land to improve that, that capacity for residents to have access to, to green space.

00:30:41.980 --> 00:30:46.040
 So that's our first measuring stick. But then we also look at other things where it's, if

00:30:46.040 --> 00:30:51.560
 it's free, if that's an opportunity to connect to other assets next to a school next to another

00:30:51.560 --> 00:30:58.080
 city park next to a potential trail are all different ways that we look at property. Now

00:30:58.080 --> 00:31:05.400
 I gray scaled out the property list just because some of the property on here were those properties

00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:09.880
 that they're a little more sensitive. But we go through, we created an evaluation score

00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:14.960
 for each parcel and there's about 15 or so questions and there's a scoring process that

00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:22.120
 you can have, whether it's one to five or one to 10, whatever that medium is. And it's

00:31:22.120 --> 00:31:27.360
 not, it's not rocket science. Can it be improved? Absolutely. But we didn't have anything. So

00:31:27.360 --> 00:31:31.280
 we thought this was the best direction. And then we looked at things from prioritization

00:31:31.280 --> 00:31:36.640
 from A, B, and C, if it was in the top one third percentile of the properties. Then we

00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:42.880
 looked at DCAD value and then the DCAD value by acreage, the overall acreage. And then

00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:49.040
 we ranked them in the top 10 or by category. And that's what these green cells are. The

00:31:49.040 --> 00:31:54.640
 percentage of tree canopy, cause tree canopy is important to us as a whole. And what percentage

00:31:54.640 --> 00:32:00.560
 of that tree canopy or acreage of that parcel is covered with, with trees and realistically

00:32:00.560 --> 00:32:06.240
 what kind of trees they are too is also evaluated. Then just kind of a staff input. If we felt

00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:10.080
 it was a high priority based on everything that's going on in the organization, we added

00:32:10.080 --> 00:32:14.240
 council districts this year so we could see how that spread out across the city. And then

00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:19.400
 whether it's a natural area or preserve, if we have 9, 15, 16 money, which is our land

00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:23.920
 acquisition. And realistically, if it was a quick win, something that we could accomplish

00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:28.640
 fairly quickly. And then also is it helping achieve the 10 minute walk. So we looked at

00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:35.640
 each one of these things in the top ones, we reshuffle them on the top 10 or so, and

00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:39.520
 then highlight them. And then we literally would just count the green cells going across

00:32:39.520 --> 00:32:45.200
 and that's how we got to the top priority of 8, 7, 6 all the way down the line. So that's

00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:52.740
 how we would go through that process and adjust our scores. From a city, city park master

00:32:52.740 --> 00:32:58.120
 plan process, the parks in yellow, so this is North Lakes, this is Denia, and this is

00:32:58.120 --> 00:33:06.360
 South Lakes. Proposed park, this is Clear Creek, so that's now in the park system. So

00:33:06.360 --> 00:33:11.600
 that's a city park as well. And then we have some planned parks, which are this is the

00:33:11.600 --> 00:33:16.720
 mountain bike trail on Hartley. This is the Mills property that we purchased last year.

00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:21.560
 This is Southwest Park property that we're going through the planning process on. And

00:33:21.560 --> 00:33:27.840
 then these two blue acorns over here are approximate locations of city parks that have been agreed

00:33:27.840 --> 00:33:33.040
 upon with the Hunter Ranch and Coal Ranch properties. And then these two orange ones

00:33:33.040 --> 00:33:39.080
 are just areas if we wanted to try to get a park in this area or in the Hills of Denton

00:33:39.080 --> 00:33:43.880
 area that's planned on the north side in the future, just to kind of give us a little bit

00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:49.280
 of a holistic spreading out our city park opportunities for the community. And those

00:33:49.280 --> 00:33:57.240
 are 50 acres or more. So jump through the properties, Razor Ranch, we do have a presentation

00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:03.200
 on this today as well. But we'll just kind of touch on this is just about 10 acres of

00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:10.480
 property just off of university. We had a community meeting in 2019. And you know, we've

00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:19.160
 been moving forward on this ever since we've been waiting on the developer to give us feedback

00:34:19.160 --> 00:34:25.300
 on the agreement since last November. That's been delayed. And we're anxiously awaiting

00:34:25.300 --> 00:34:30.560
 that so we can take it to city council and get that approved. But they are basically

00:34:30.560 --> 00:34:35.240
 substantially completed. You could see everything's been been turfed and things are growing in.

00:34:35.240 --> 00:34:40.880
 This was probably about a month or so ago. During the extreme heat of the summer, we

00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:45.320
 do have trails they have not put in all the benches, there's some signage, some lighting

00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:51.440
 that have to go in and some some stage dark shade structures and some minor fitness equipment

00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:54.680
 that will be put in as well along the trail.

00:34:54.680 --> 00:35:02.520
 Off of that one, Gary, can I ask a question? Sure. So that entryway that in the top picture,

00:35:02.520 --> 00:35:08.620
 the very bottom of your photo, I seem to remember that there were going to be like some sort

00:35:08.620 --> 00:35:15.280
 of walls that you would go between there that had some I don't remember exactly the description

00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:20.120
 but it was going to be some sort of artwork and and description of the area and whatnot.

00:35:20.120 --> 00:35:25.200
 Has that not has that changed? Yes, so they just they tapered it down. So there wasn't

00:35:25.200 --> 00:35:29.600
 a quick drop off there. There is going to be some interpretive signage in the park.

00:35:29.600 --> 00:35:35.320
 But those walls aren't going to be there. Okay, that was a budget, I think a budget

00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:39.960
 thing that they they cut out. They are they were intended and required to give a roughly

00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:45.400
 about $300,000 through our ordinance. They've put in a little over a million dollars as

00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:50.320
 of right now. I haven't seen the final numbers, but they're well past the required amount

00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:55.320
 for the park development. Okay. Well, it's a shame. That was kind of a neat feature,

00:35:55.320 --> 00:36:04.720
 but I understand. And then the acorn just gives you an idea of where that property is.

00:36:04.720 --> 00:36:09.520
 Canopy trails, this is a development that that's still in the works. It's not it hasn't

00:36:09.520 --> 00:36:13.280
 been approved. They've done some preliminary approval down I think on the south side over

00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:21.400
 in the southeast corner. So here's Woodrow and Shady Oaks and then 288 is over here on

00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:27.480
 the on the east side. There's roughly five miles of trails that are proposed in this

00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:32.640
 property and about 80 acres that would be dedicated to parkland. There's quite a bit

00:36:32.640 --> 00:36:38.160
 of treed area that is in the floodplain. There would be trails in the floodplain that we'd

00:36:38.160 --> 00:36:44.640
 have to work through, you know, various flooding when we do get a lot of rain. But this property

00:36:44.640 --> 00:36:49.440
 would also connect to Mack Park on the north side and then it would be part of the Pecan

00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:59.040
 Creek linear trail going east to west within the within the property itself. And that gives

00:36:59.040 --> 00:37:02.280
 you a sense of where that property is. You can see how green it is around there with

00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:09.720
 all the trees. Endeavor Energy. So Lake Forest Park, the property immediately south of Lake

00:37:09.720 --> 00:37:15.040
 Forest. This is Cross Timbers North just on the west side of this property. If you're

00:37:15.040 --> 00:37:19.240
 walking through the woods, you would really never know that you're going from city property

00:37:19.240 --> 00:37:26.600
 on the private property. To my knowledge, there has never been any any issues with the

00:37:26.600 --> 00:37:34.240
 energy company of people utilizing those trails. But it's very thick forest and a great place

00:37:34.240 --> 00:37:41.920
 to go out and hike. We recently just on the north side of this square removed a beehive

00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:45.640
 this earlier this summer that was in a dead tree. So that was kind of an interesting we

00:37:45.640 --> 00:37:50.820
 had to go out and try to track it down and find it. But we reached out to this company

00:37:50.820 --> 00:37:56.320
 last year and they were concerned about if they did sell it that the gas well potentially

00:37:56.320 --> 00:38:01.000
 would be impacted. So we are reaching out to them again to see if a lease would be an

00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:05.320
 option. So that way we would have you know kind of everything in order in regards to

00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:11.480
 public access and then with an option to purchase if they ever did decide to to sell the property

00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:20.680
 we would be first in line. Forest Ardenia. This is something that we've been working

00:38:20.680 --> 00:38:27.980
 on all summer with the development and development services. It's still an ongoing project. They're

00:38:27.980 --> 00:38:32.640
 working through their approval process with with city council and development services.

00:38:32.640 --> 00:38:37.800
 But our role was to really identify how we could utilize this property to benefit our

00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:45.160
 park system and if there were other opportunities to try to acquire some additional tree areas.

00:38:45.160 --> 00:38:51.520
 What you see right now in this rough air I guess amoeba type of thing is the tree area

00:38:51.520 --> 00:38:56.880
 which is in this kind of lime green and then the aqua colored in the blues are the flood

00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:03.600
 plain. So as as of right now they have proposed about 51 acres being dedicated to the city

00:39:03.600 --> 00:39:10.000
 that would be this tree area in the the flood plain. We have tentatively planned a trail

00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:15.600
 that would come off of Roselon and meander through the creek area and up on the parvin

00:39:15.600 --> 00:39:21.200
 that would connect over to the school and to Dena and then we've also looked at putting

00:39:21.200 --> 00:39:26.440
 a trail possibly through the southern side of the elementary school that could connect

00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:30.160
 the neighborhood straight into Dena and right onto the trail. So we're having discussions

00:39:30.160 --> 00:39:42.520
 with the ISD about that as well. Any question? Yes sir. Yeah Gary, is that 50 year what big

00:39:42.520 --> 00:39:48.440
 500 year floodplain what kind of what size floodplain? It's a 100 year floodplain. Yeah

00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:55.880
 100. 100 okay. Thanks for my question. You're welcome. So this would be donated this is

00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:59.960
 something we would have to purchase well above what they're required to. I think they're

00:39:59.960 --> 00:40:06.280
 requirement was around five acres so it's about 45 46 acres above what they're required

00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:12.960
 to do. Excuse me Gary can you explain the difference between a 100 euro and a 50 euro

00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:20.640
 floodplain? So there's there's you know what a typical 100 year flood and where that would

00:40:20.640 --> 00:40:26.480
 be and then a 500 year flood obviously something that doesn't happen as often. I don't know

00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:31.920
 where that 500 year floodplain is. I'd have to go back and provide the board a follow

00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:37.840
 up in regards to where that area is. Gary, FEMA doesn't normally dedicate exactly where

00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:45.560
 the 500 year floodplain is and they only designate up to a 100 year floodplain and then they

00:40:45.560 --> 00:40:52.720
 don't designate out of that but depending on the rain intensity that we get it's normally

00:40:52.720 --> 00:41:02.440
 looked at a five year, 10 year, 25, 50 and 100 year. Okay there you go. What does that

00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:08.280
 mean that it will flood for that amount of time? No it's the intensity of the amount

00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:14.160
 of rain we get so as five year we typically get that amount of rain at one time every

00:41:14.160 --> 00:41:21.680
 five years, every 10 years, every 25 years and so on and so forth. 25 year event. Yeah

00:41:21.680 --> 00:41:30.320
 thank you so much. You're welcome. Country Club Terrace we've been talking to to this

00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:36.640
 developer for roughly probably a year and a half, two years. This is Hickory Creek Road

00:41:36.640 --> 00:41:41.480
 where the eventually will be straightened out and this will be vacated that we could

00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:48.520
 technically use the the old roadbed for future trail. So this is roughly 34 acres of open

00:41:48.520 --> 00:41:54.560
 space this is a new development that's that's going through the approval process for construction

00:41:54.560 --> 00:42:00.800
 and our idea for this would be either we could reforest it it could be a combination of restoration

00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:07.840
 of a prairie or or wildflowers or a combination of all the above but it's definitely a place

00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:12.400
 where we could have some natural trails through here as well for people to enjoy while they're

00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:19.200
 walking on the linear park and this is being this is being donated as well. What where's

00:42:19.200 --> 00:42:26.080
 the railroad? I can't I don't see the railroad. So the railroad is right here. Here let me

00:42:26.080 --> 00:42:32.200
 go that's not going to help. So the railroad is on the eastern edge Hickory Creek is down

00:42:32.200 --> 00:42:36.560
 on the southern side and then it meanders up here and it joins in the Country Club right

00:42:36.560 --> 00:42:41.680
 here. Okay. Actually this section the Country Club is going to be moved south and it's going

00:42:41.680 --> 00:42:52.640
 to turn into Brush Creek as it goes further west and tie into 35. Okay. Thank you. I mentioned

00:42:52.640 --> 00:43:00.280
 earlier with Canopy Trails the Pecan Creek Trail and and I can share a spreadsheet with

00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:04.960
 you as well. We have a few areas that our trail system that will talk to you when we

00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:09.960
 get to that point in that presentation with Dr. Walker but the Pecan Creek Trail basically

00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:17.160
 follows Pecan Creek from downtown or the DCTA Trail through Fred Moore through some city

00:43:17.160 --> 00:43:22.400
 property into Carl Young and then through the county property here and then this is

00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:29.360
 where MKOC is located on Woodrow. So we're working on getting an agreement with the Denton

00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:34.400
 County so we could put a trail through their property. There's already a kind of a cattle

00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.920
 path through there right now where you see people walk if you drive by it that would

00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:42.480
 roughly be where we'd want to put the concrete. There's an existing utility easement that

00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:52.840
 goes through that area of the property already. Sage Brook. So just to give you some orientation

00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:58.560
 Bonnie Bray is over here on the right side of your screen. Here's the railroad. This

00:43:58.560 --> 00:44:03.680
 is the future Brush Creek that we just mentioned. Hickory Creek would be over here to the east

00:44:03.680 --> 00:44:09.640
 of 377 and Southwest Park is on the north side immediately right here where you could

00:44:09.640 --> 00:44:14.720
 see the trees. This has been going through the development process as well. This was

00:44:14.720 --> 00:44:22.120
 recently annexed into the city. They're proposing to put a trail down the median of this kind

00:44:22.120 --> 00:44:26.560
 of boulevard just a little bit of a different type of trail for the park system connecting

00:44:26.560 --> 00:44:33.320
 the entire neighborhood to Southwest Park as well as there's about 15 acres of open

00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:39.400
 space down here in the I guess the southwest corner of the property that we would keep

00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:48.160
 open for open space or for future trees as well. That's that's being provided dedicated

00:44:48.160 --> 00:44:54.200
 to the city through our 915-16 ordinance as well. Gary can I ask you a quick question

00:44:54.200 --> 00:45:01.080
 about the Pecan Creek and that trail is there do you expect that there will be any lighting

00:45:01.080 --> 00:45:09.440
 along that trail? It's very well covered. So we are actually we just got a CDBG grant

00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:15.880
 for lighting at Carl Young. We had a resident request for more lighting at that park. That

00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:20.320
 trail kind of follows the western and the southern edge of the park so it's a little

00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:26.240
 dark out there. So we're going to be putting those lights in next year. Eventually there

00:45:26.240 --> 00:45:32.140
 could be lights in select areas. We may not look at the entire trail itself but definitely

00:45:32.140 --> 00:45:36.720
 where we have some some dark spots we definitely would want to look at that as we go through

00:45:36.720 --> 00:45:47.840
 the planning process. Okay thank you. So in summary so this is two really two categories

00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:52.600
 our ordinance and our donation category over here are properties that are going to be dedicated

00:45:52.600 --> 00:45:59.560
 to the city or just an outright donation down the road. Now obviously these aren't all 100%

00:45:59.560 --> 00:46:03.600
 sure going to happen they could fall apart but these are the projects are working on

00:46:03.600 --> 00:46:07.920
 so the ones that I'd say not public knowledge we just didn't want to release the name and

00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:12.640
 location of that property. It's something that we're still working on but you can see

00:46:12.640 --> 00:46:20.680
 as a whole through ordinance in the donation process we have about 740 acres that we're

00:46:20.680 --> 00:46:25.000
 working on. Some of these have already been checkboxed so Cole and Hunter Ranch are already

00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:30.920
 dedicated by ordinance and just for future planning it'll be done you know as that development

00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:36.640
 moves forward. Carnegie Ridge property which has been completed and then the conservation

00:46:36.640 --> 00:46:42.920
 easement on Pilot Knob we're in the process of getting that all approved and and dedicated

00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:48.260
 as an official conservation easement over off of 35. Then some land that we're looking

00:46:48.260 --> 00:46:54.400
 at purchasing or leasing a couple of these obviously we haven't divulged yet to the general

00:46:54.400 --> 00:47:01.580
 public. In 2017 the city was looking at some property over off of Audra we had three parcels

00:47:01.580 --> 00:47:06.640
 that we've been looking at one is a DME parcel we're having discussions with finance and

00:47:06.640 --> 00:47:11.600
 DME to see if they could actually lease that to us in regards to how it purchased how it

00:47:11.600 --> 00:47:16.760
 was purchased with bond money it may have specific attachments to it where we cannot

00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:23.360
 do that. And then we've also negotiated two properties with the city utilities ourselves

00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:29.320
 that would be Hartley Field which is a underutilized wastewater property and then Pecan Creek there's

00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:34.520
 some extra property on the I guess would be the north and east side of Pecan Creek of

00:47:34.520 --> 00:47:40.000
 about 233 acres that we could put our trail through. So we've been working on those over

00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:45.760
 the past year so that's you know 430 acres of parkland in those two itself and then we

00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:51.280
 purchased the Mills property. So that's another 13 acres so that's 2000 acres of land that

00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:57.120
 we're working on in various capacities right now and we have that five million dollars

00:47:57.120 --> 00:48:02.240
 that hasn't even been provided to us yet from the 2019 bond program as well. So we're trying

00:48:02.240 --> 00:48:07.760
 to get those parcels lined up and in the queue so when that money is provided to the department

00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:17.360
 we'll be ready to go. Just some some quick here this is the Cole and Hunter Ranch properties

00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:25.120
 that were approved. The conservation easement are the is the blue areas here in regards

00:48:25.120 --> 00:48:33.440
 to what we what will be preserved based on the requirements of the DDC. This is the water

00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:39.000
 property water utilities property off of Hartley Field. Hartley Field is down here on the bottom

00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:43.880
 of the screen. Oh sorry. Clear Creek is off here to your right off to the right side of

00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:48.080
 the screen. They are going to use some of this property for a future lift station so

00:48:48.080 --> 00:48:52.760
 there's about 30 acres that that's set aside there but this area in purple we're actually

00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:59.880
 working with some local bikers and actually Dr. Walker and UNT to lay out a future mountain

00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:06.060
 bike trail that we'd like to build out there with a community build at some point in time.

00:49:06.060 --> 00:49:11.240
 And then this property in this in this yellow amoeba here is the property that we've leased

00:49:11.240 --> 00:49:16.640
 on the north side north and east side of Pecan Creek for that future linear trail that would

00:49:16.640 --> 00:49:25.220
 take us over to the lake. And then the Mills property which you're familiar with and Carnegie

00:49:25.220 --> 00:49:36.120
 Ridge and that's it. So that's that's a quick synopsis of everything in regards to what's

00:49:36.120 --> 00:49:44.280
 going on in from a land acquisition standpoint. Welcome to entertain any questions comments

00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:48.960
 thoughts that you may have if there's another direction that you feel we need to head definitely

00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:54.080
 open to that if there's some properties that you would like us to look at we could definitely

00:49:54.080 --> 00:49:59.000
 go out and check them out and then put them through our evaluation process and then recalculate

00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:03.880
 everything to see where that would fit on our priorities. Just because it scores low

00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:07.880
 doesn't mean it might not be a property that we're not going to look at either. So there's

00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:12.560
 a lot of variables that we look at when we're trying to figure out if it's a good fit for

00:50:12.560 --> 00:50:17.520
 the park system. But if you can see the areas that aren't blue on this map that's our 10

00:50:17.520 --> 00:50:23.440
 minute walk so those are the areas that we are trying to keep a higher priority in regards

00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:29.300
 to finding future park space especially where there's a dense area of our community.

00:50:29.300 --> 00:50:43.240
 Gary can you take this down for a minute for questions. Yes ma'am. Questions concerns

00:50:43.240 --> 00:50:50.600
 comments I have a question. So I noticed that you're putting trails in in all these different

00:50:50.600 --> 00:50:56.800
 areas and they're spread out well. Is there a plan to connect all those trails? Great

00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:02.260
 question and you're setting up the the tee for us for the golf ball for our next presentation

00:51:02.260 --> 00:51:08.080
 on our trails which we'll we can go through that in more detail but we are looking at

00:51:08.080 --> 00:51:14.440
 where those trails are and if there's opportunities to add property adjacent to the trails because

00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:19.440
 some of the trails may go through someone's private property right now. It's a long term

00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:25.680
 plan that we may look at what is that an opportunity for us to purchase it it's in the floodplain

00:51:25.680 --> 00:51:31.200
 they can't develop it anyways that's a good opportunity for us to come in and get an easement

00:51:31.200 --> 00:51:38.680
 or purchase it and allows us to plan that going down the next 40 years. So that's definitely

00:51:38.680 --> 00:51:42.400
 laid out in the trails plan which we'll get in a little more detail here in a few minutes.

00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:50.360
 Okay well then I'll save my other questions for then. Any other concerns questions about

00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:59.280
 potential land acquisition? I have a quick question if um you know we we I think we've

00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:06.200
 talked about Quaker Park is is uh you know I mean it's it's a it's nice sized property

00:52:06.200 --> 00:52:12.120
 in the middle of everything and so it's good for uh you know jazz festivals and blue festivals

00:52:12.120 --> 00:52:19.280
 and you know all sorts of fun music things right but if you were to pick an area that

00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:24.520
 it's not big enough okay in my opinion I think we need something about 50 to 100 acres with

00:52:24.520 --> 00:52:32.400
 parking that could you know suit the the city's needs in the in the future because it's just

00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:38.480
 too small but a Quaker Park is just too small um and we're not going to get a Zilker park

00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:46.480
 that awesome but if you know 50 to 100 acres might be a a realistic view or shot where

00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:50.600
 would you where would you plan to do that where would you if you were to build a park

00:52:50.600 --> 00:52:55.720
 that was big it was 50 to 100 acres for you know like musical festivals and things like

00:52:55.720 --> 00:53:01.520
 that uh where would you put it? That's that's a great question it would have been a good

00:53:01.520 --> 00:53:06.800
 question maybe 50 years ago uh before a lot of things got built but um you know if you

00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:12.760
 just look at Quaker town there's you know there's a lot of asphalt in Quaker town um

00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:16.880
 if if the city ever has an opportunity to put up parking garages and we move in that

00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:22.800
 direction and we could turn that asphalt into green space um that would allow us to kind

00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:28.880
 of build the park from within um you know whether we need to uh rebuild the senior center

00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:35.080
 it's been a discussion in our public meetings for um for that future that facility it it

00:53:35.080 --> 00:53:40.160
 most likely probably wouldn't be in in Quaker town um so there's an opportunity to kind

00:53:40.160 --> 00:53:45.120
 of bring green space back there as well um so I guess that's an opportunity for us to

00:53:45.120 --> 00:53:51.960
 look at long term is could we use the land that we have now better um and keep it because

00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:57.440
 it's such a core piece of property for the downtown you know it will never be able to

00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:03.720
 buy that much land at an affordable price uh so that probably would be the easiest thing

00:54:03.720 --> 00:54:09.520
 to do and then try to take some of those properties maybe even the the parking lot on the south

00:54:09.520 --> 00:54:13.640
 side of McKinney and put a parking garage there and and that would help alleviate some

00:54:13.640 --> 00:54:19.640
 of that that asphalt from the park and bring that green space back um but we we have tried

00:54:19.640 --> 00:54:24.640
 to figure out you know where 50 years from now where we would ask that same question

00:54:24.640 --> 00:54:29.960
 and you know the hills of Denton if we could get 50 plus acres up there for a future park

00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:34.160
 absolutely you know hunter coal ranch has been on our radar for the past two years as

00:54:34.160 --> 00:54:39.880
 well and and we've kind of put that bingo chip down on that location and then southwest

00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:46.120
 park is a 190 plus acre parcel that we're working through right now uh that will be

00:54:46.120 --> 00:54:50.200
 a future park and and what that is we don't know yet you know the community has to step

00:54:50.200 --> 00:54:55.600
 up and and give us that feedback so we can move in the direction that they want um so

00:54:55.600 --> 00:55:01.680
 we have a lot of opportunities um still moving forward as the community grows uh you know

00:55:01.680 --> 00:55:08.360
 over the next 20-30 years to get those large parcels of property in place how about North

00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:13.680
 Lake just to carry the follow-up question sorry North Lake same thing same thing with

00:55:13.680 --> 00:55:17.640
 North Lakes uh you know we do have some of that is floodplain as well so we we're a little

00:55:17.640 --> 00:55:22.440
 restricted on some of those parcels um but looking to see if there's some property around

00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:28.800
 there that we could expand and preserve that open space there as well okay thanks you're

00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:37.920
 welcome so i was just thinking about just kind of pop-up parks and that kind of concept

00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:43.680
 similar to industrial do you have anything in mind just looking through the neighborhoods

00:55:43.680 --> 00:55:49.780
 as specifically those that aren't within a 10-minute walk of maybe purchasing blight

00:55:49.780 --> 00:55:55.880
 neighborhood homes or things along those lines and making a mini pop-up park one of our

00:55:55.880 --> 00:56:00.520
 favorites is the cherry orchard i know it's not within this system um that would be like

00:56:00.520 --> 00:56:06.920
 a dream come true if ever switched over um but is there is there anything along those

00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:11.440
 lines that i mean you guys are looking at utilizing smaller spaces yeah so we do have

00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:17.360
 a trail um going by that that chair orchard or cherry orchard um so that does connect

00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:23.240
 to that um but yes so there are some parts like for instance the skate park the the the

00:56:23.240 --> 00:56:28.200
 kids and the adults that are frequent skaters want to park downtown so we're trying to figure

00:56:28.200 --> 00:56:33.400
 out where we where would be best to put a skate park that's not going to be a nuisance

00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:38.360
 to people living there from lights and from noise uh but convenient for the kids because

00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:42.740
 they wanted to be able to ride the train to get there and have kids come from other communities

00:56:42.740 --> 00:56:48.720
 and meet them so there was easy transportation so we've been looking for areas around the

00:56:48.720 --> 00:56:53.480
 train stations to see if we can't get some property there and it might entail have to

00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:59.680
 buy a lot or two uh if we don't have that property available um i'll let you know so

00:56:59.680 --> 00:57:03.720
 i don't know if you're familiar with the big idea but it's a space where you go and you

00:57:03.720 --> 00:57:10.000
 share a cool idea that would make help better and i'm presenting this thursday and the idea

00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:17.440
 is having a graffiti park um because we're so artistic that like it just seems fitting

00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:22.320
 um and so looking at that i was curious if you guys had a specific location that you

00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:27.260
 thought would be cool and if not like i'm just literally driving around town trying

00:57:27.260 --> 00:57:33.120
 to find a spot but i know drew had mentioned thinking on those concepts before if you guys

00:57:33.120 --> 00:57:39.880
 had something in mind we are talking to the the public art committee about something like

00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:53.160
 that in the future so there'll be more to come any additional questions comments concerns

00:57:53.160 --> 00:58:01.040
 so this is not an action item we were just if we were giving this information for um

00:58:01.040 --> 00:58:08.000
 to give them feedback if needed yeah and again if you have any properties that you happen

00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:11.480
 to be driving around and saying hey that might be a great location for a park please let

00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:18.360
 us know and we'll uh do some additional research research on it all right elana i have one

00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:25.760
 quick question um are you still planning on acquiring the property that's near unt as

00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:33.320
 like a veterans memorial park veterans park um so yeah great question uh we had done some

00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:38.160
 design work we shared that with you as well and council um and then unt i think was taking

00:58:38.160 --> 00:58:42.360
 a step back looking at what they may want to do from that as a holistic approach whether

00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:50.860
 it was better served for open space or redevelopment uh so that was pre-covid uh and truthfully

00:58:50.860 --> 00:58:55.160
 it was totally off my radar so i'll circle back around and see that was being worked

00:58:55.160 --> 00:58:58.640
 through through the city manager's office and i'll reach out to him and and see if there's

00:58:58.640 --> 00:59:06.200
 a status on that we do have and it's not really on our list but we do have an area in mind

00:59:06.200 --> 00:59:10.480
 coming up and hopefully we get to present it to you within the next few months because

00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:17.840
 the development is moving pretty quickly right now but for a another veterans park so that

00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:25.600
 does have a lot of ties with the veteran community here and didn't and kind of the history so

00:59:25.600 --> 00:59:32.840
 mr walker did you have your hand up is there any information on the rodeo site the north

00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:40.360
 texas we um i think real estate had reached out to them uh knowing that they had purchased

00:59:40.360 --> 00:59:47.240
 other property and plan on moving uh and it was pretty expensive at the time so that made

00:59:47.240 --> 00:59:52.620
 it kind of a little bit cooler for us uh but we definitely have it on our radar as an option

00:59:52.620 --> 01:00:04.960
 okay i do sorry that would be amazing i am curious also what about um calhoun middle

01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:10.480
 school as they move over to denton high they have like that one field that they use there

01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:15.120
 in that neighborhood yeah that is actually an area that we need in a neighborhood park

01:00:15.120 --> 01:00:19.800
 so there's a an open space a field with a track and a couple tennis courts behind the

01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:25.120
 school too that could be used for recreational purposes so that's that's also on our tickler

01:00:25.120 --> 01:00:34.040
 as well awesome and that one has a built-in parking lot which is nice too yes yep okay

01:00:34.040 --> 01:00:39.200
 are we ready to move to the next item yes ma'am all right uh let's talk about the trails

01:00:39.200 --> 01:00:49.920
 concept map okay so dr walker um i know you get you have met dr walker before he's presented

01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:55.160
 with us we've been working on this with with dr walker for the better part of probably

01:00:55.160 --> 01:01:02.380
 two years a year and a half um and we're at a point now where we're ready to start having

01:01:02.380 --> 01:01:09.320
 some discussions uh with the general public and the park board and city council dr walker

01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:13.360
 i'll turn it over to you and let you walk through i'll jump in as needed and just tell

01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:20.440
 me when you'd like me to change the slide okay uh this is the where i believe we're

01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:28.920
 at a stopping point um i hope for this project uh i've identified uh done a full assessment

01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:32.760
 of the existing trail system identified what would be needed and then identified general

01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:38.040
 corridors of where we think trails would go initially for the next really again this is

01:01:38.040 --> 01:01:43.640
 a 10 to 20 year plan and along the way there's always an opportunity to change this if let's

01:01:43.640 --> 01:01:49.120
 say land comes available we would shift some directions just to respond to that opportunity

01:01:49.120 --> 01:01:55.960
 so uh just in this this opening slide is just a reminder that trails past the actual park

01:01:55.960 --> 01:02:01.560
 land trails remain the number one requested resource um so it stays high on the list this

01:02:01.560 --> 01:02:07.160
 chapter or the sorry this component of the master plan was a originally a subsection

01:02:07.160 --> 01:02:12.380
 of one chapter and has basically grown into its own chapter due to the scope and uh outreach

01:02:12.380 --> 01:02:18.200
 as well as the importance to the entire park system itself from there so um what this will

01:02:18.200 --> 01:02:22.920
 go through is a brief review of the current system what's what the assets are where they're

01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:28.760
 located um some estimations on maintenance cost and then where we've projected the opportunities

01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:35.280
 to grow that also add to connectivity um so they contribute to the mobility plan so just

01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:43.600
 as a key thing to point out on this is this is not the mobility plan i look at park trails

01:02:43.600 --> 01:02:50.560
 the same way i would look at a baseball field it's an internal city park asset however anywhere

01:02:50.560 --> 01:02:56.620
 we can we try to make the trail system function as part of the mobility system to enhance

01:02:56.620 --> 01:03:01.080
 the overall connectivity of the city but it is not the city's connectivity or mobility

01:03:01.080 --> 01:03:06.360
 plan it would be a portion of that and so a big recommendation is that from this chapter

01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:12.160
 you've got to go to full engineering documents a full land assessment land bank acquisition

01:03:12.160 --> 01:03:17.600
 and then go into individual trail plans past there and this would be worked on with the

01:03:17.600 --> 01:03:21.480
 transportation department to then complete and enhance the overall mobility plan so a

01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:26.420
 lot of cities actually will merge this content and their transportation data to create a

01:03:26.420 --> 01:03:32.960
 pathways plan which would be a comprehensive scope so um all right we can go on from there

01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:39.400
 so gary is this the most updated map yeah uh no it isn't we'll go online and show the

01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:44.760
 real one here okay so just real quick and looking at the map uh what we'll see in the

01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:51.200
 updated version is where uh each of the blue lines is what we indicate of where future

01:03:51.200 --> 01:03:56.640
 trails are going to go and then where some current court corridors are pre-existing such

01:03:56.640 --> 01:04:00.880
 as the katie trail that's there um portions of the northern section of the cooper creek

01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:05.560
 trail are already in place and so we'll identify that and then a variety of parks have internal

01:04:05.560 --> 01:04:10.320
 loop trails so they're just inside the parkland as its own individual feature and then as

01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:14.800
 you can kind of see we've tried to make it imperative to get a trail system almost looping

01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:19.760
 the entire city to create a comprehensive connectivity plan across and then spoke wheels

01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:24.520
 back and across through so every neighborhood will have a chance to get to a portion of

01:04:24.520 --> 01:04:29.560
 the trail that would then take you almost over 100 miles in any one given direction

01:04:29.560 --> 01:04:33.620
 if you looped it that way and kind of went in and out of all the systems the blue dots

01:04:33.620 --> 01:04:37.680
 that you see the light blue dots are all the areas that we've identified as needs to work

01:04:37.680 --> 01:04:42.880
 with uh tex dot in crossings of major roads and major infrastructure uh they're high points

01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:47.640
 to make the system actually work so you can have assets on one part of town but the roads

01:04:47.640 --> 01:04:52.640
 almost function almost as dangerous if not worse than having a lake to get across so

01:04:52.640 --> 01:04:56.680
 it's really important to make sure that tex dot is aware of this because as tex dot starts

01:04:56.680 --> 01:05:02.520
 to approach um future upgrades such as the 288 loop uh we want to make sure that they're

01:05:02.520 --> 01:05:08.520
 doing everything they can on their side per our request as a city of denton to maximize

01:05:08.520 --> 01:05:12.880
 the usability and safety of those crossings that would be either on top or underneath

01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:17.760
 those bridges and again tex dot has become incredibly responsive to this to help make

01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:22.680
 this uh facilitate the growth of the rail system and the connectivity so uh current

01:05:22.680 --> 01:05:29.080
 on the left we can see current internal park trails 20 almost 22 miles 21.31 miles is there

01:05:29.080 --> 01:05:34.480
 and we know with all the park plans that are in place and the proposed developments that

01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:40.960
 will expand to 31 point uh an additional 31 miles of internal park trails one of the examples

01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:45.160
 of those would be what's out at mckenna park coming as that park ends up in its own internal

01:05:45.160 --> 01:05:50.800
 loop creek and linear trails such as the katie trail as a linear trail and the cooper creek

01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:56.320
 trail and its multiple sections that link up now 20 miles of current creek and linear

01:05:56.320 --> 01:06:02.320
 trails and the hope is to expand that by another 17 miles of trails from there and again those

01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:08.840
 are very very highly selected corridors to create more connectivity across the city streets

01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:13.720
 and pathways connectors and paddling trails none of those currently exist in the system

01:06:13.720 --> 01:06:19.680
 and the idea will be to increase enhance those the streets and side paths is basically a

01:06:19.680 --> 01:06:25.000
 really nice gift from transportation as they upgrade the major roads uh transportation

01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:31.000
 now puts an offset pathway as part of the mobility corridor that the city sorry the

01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:35.280
 parks department will take over and provide all the maintenance for and to be able to

01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:41.280
 count that in the trail system a majority of that future side street pathways will come

01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:45.440
 from the hunter coal development and then a lot of things the city already has a plan

01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:52.200
 with hickory creek road ryan road mingo road and as you'll probably seen mayhill as a great

01:06:52.200 --> 01:06:55.440
 example of how they're going to build those and the quality that they'll build and then

01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:59.560
 the paddling trails will be ones that will be on the water the connectors again are like

01:06:59.560 --> 01:07:03.600
 these blue dots they're primary connectors that we've recognized it needs to be done

01:07:03.600 --> 01:07:08.560
 the connectors add up to about 10 miles of segments themselves and will probably be the

01:07:08.560 --> 01:07:13.360
 more expensive parts of the construction process due to the fact that the engineering required

01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:21.640
 to work with text dot in getting through key port portions of the city system so when finished

01:07:21.640 --> 01:07:25.880
 we'll have hang on we'll have that connectivity to additional 18 parks gary kind of showed

01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:30.080
 that in some of the plans that he had for pecan creek of how uh pecan creek would then

01:07:30.080 --> 01:07:36.540
 connect a variety of different parks along the way and a total of 210 new trail across

01:07:36.540 --> 01:07:41.360
 this entire list with paddling trails the internal park trails and linear trails uh

01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:47.400
 the cost will be estimated right now at about 60 million dollars um and if built out you're

01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:53.080
 looking at additional 550 000 a year to maintain so drew's budget or represent drew's position

01:07:53.080 --> 01:07:58.040
 would need that to provide the services to the trails to keep the edges mode um edged

01:07:58.040 --> 01:08:01.720
 out for grass and then pruning and stuff that's needed on all these properties because if

01:08:01.720 --> 01:08:06.880
 they're not kept up well they won't be used and that's a common thing so as it's built

01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:10.680
 you also need to recognize you're going to need to find funding to maintain them going

01:08:10.680 --> 01:08:17.880
 forward all right uh this is the list of the existing trails i'll just kind of let you

01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:23.080
 look through it for a minute hopefully you're familiar with most of them i've had a nice

01:08:23.080 --> 01:08:28.680
 time over the last uh year and a half of going out with my kids to all of these trails and

01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:36.440
 walking them multiple times if not riding them regularly any questions on these just

01:08:36.440 --> 01:08:40.760
 to just to provide some some feedback too i'm not sure how much detail we could get

01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:47.480
 into in the past meetings but clear creek center is is now in the park system so we

01:08:47.480 --> 01:08:54.680
 added you know 3 000 acres to the the city's park inventory so that's an area that drew's

01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:58.880
 maintaining in cooperation with texas parks and wildlife in the united states army corps

01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:04.880
 of engineers as well so that's new areas that will be using a lot of volunteer work to help

01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:11.560
 maintain and and to maintain and repair and build trails as we decide to to evolve in

01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:12.800
 that area specifically

01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:24.240
 okay right can we get this online yes i'll send you the spreadsheet and i'll share the

01:09:24.240 --> 01:09:32.440
 spreadsheet afterwards uh and how we got to all these details okay that'd be great one

01:09:32.440 --> 01:09:39.120
 of the current concerns that was brought up in uh many of the meetings that we have hosted

01:09:39.120 --> 01:09:43.000
 uh gary hosted across the last year and a half with focus groups and open community

01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:47.040
 meetings as well as stuff that we gathered from working with the mobility plan so the

01:09:47.040 --> 01:09:52.280
 mobility plan hosted three public meetings that we participated with in cooperation as

01:09:52.280 --> 01:09:56.640
 well to gather more information about the trail system and people's requests and needs

01:09:56.640 --> 01:10:03.020
 for just connectivity and a big concern is improving the crossing and crossing standards

01:10:03.020 --> 01:10:08.160
 of what we already have and this will be this recommendation is to go back in and reassess

01:10:08.160 --> 01:10:13.440
 the trail system i've done a lot of this in the pre-assessment however you have to go

01:10:13.440 --> 01:10:17.640
 a step further in working with where their street crossings and working with transportation

01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:23.380
 to make sure that all the distances and measurements are exactly right but essentially both on

01:10:23.380 --> 01:10:30.480
 trail and trail crossings need to be restriped enhanced in some cases signage lighting and

01:10:30.480 --> 01:10:35.440
 warning signals need to be placed in and this has become fortunately it's not as expensive

01:10:35.440 --> 01:10:41.080
 as it used to be comparatively just because there's more products on the market now so

01:10:41.080 --> 01:10:45.160
 as new trails are built especially through the urban environment crossings becomes really

01:10:45.160 --> 01:10:49.880
 important to notify both the user of the trail that they need to slow down and be aware of

01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:54.120
 their hitting a traffic point and for the traffic itself to be calmed and slowed down

01:10:54.120 --> 01:11:00.120
 to be aware that there's constant pathways and with proper signage and education both

01:11:00.120 --> 01:11:04.640
 parties learn to take it easy through these crossing areas so an initial part of this

01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:09.800
 plan and the recommendations is to go in and enhance what we already have and then as everything's

01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:14.080
 built build to these modern standards so that this is part of the standard infrastructure

01:11:14.080 --> 01:11:23.240
 and design okay we can go on David has his hand up oh sorry go ahead David yeah with

01:11:23.240 --> 01:11:31.120
 regard to those crossings are you favoring those that have sensors that kind of set off

01:11:31.120 --> 01:11:36.080
 signals both directions that there is that there's traffic I mean I can think of an example

01:11:36.080 --> 01:11:40.440
 on Windsor right by North Lakes where that one's pretty effective is it that kind of

01:11:40.440 --> 01:11:45.560
 crossing that you're looking at it basically the higher the amount of traffic that crossing

01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:52.040
 knows it's going to have the further you go up the scale in crossing attributes so yes

01:11:52.040 --> 01:11:57.240
 you would add sensors lighting and flickering lights as you have a high density and speed

01:11:57.240 --> 01:12:04.320
 of traffic at that crossing point where you have in a community area so if we took Cooper

01:12:04.320 --> 01:12:10.440
 Creek further across over by Mack Park you have a crossing there that actually is a short

01:12:10.440 --> 01:12:15.720
 crossing but again you have a fast roadway going through there so that one again would

01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:19.800
 need flickering but just down the road at Stewart you don't you really just need striping

01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:26.840
 and both sides identified so it's not necessary in cost analysis and in current safety standards

01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:31.920
 to flicker out everything you would flicker out in now if you can get the money to obviously

01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:38.640
 do it but you would go in succession of level of degree of difficulty and danger you might

01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:42.440
 even come in and raise the bed a little bit in community neighborhoods to create what's

01:12:42.440 --> 01:12:47.760
 just called a a raised pathway to slow traffic down so you get a traffic calming device as

01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:51.640
 well and that's a cheaper way than putting in a lighting system so you want to make sure

01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:55.440
 you put in something that you can afford to take care of and replace because the lighting

01:12:55.440 --> 01:13:00.700
 systems do go down but yes where there's high traffic like the one over on the north side

01:13:00.700 --> 01:13:08.560
 of North Lakes yes a flickering system with monitorings as well as lashings thank you

01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:12.520
 another issue that needs to be addressed on the current trail system and again with inheriting

01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:16.120
 Clear Creek there's a I don't want to say tremendous but there's a good amount of work

01:13:16.120 --> 01:13:21.180
 to be done in stabilizing improving the especially the dirt trails that are out there and a variety

01:13:21.180 --> 01:13:25.540
 of the concrete trails just have some shoring up and Dirichka has done a great job of keeping

01:13:25.540 --> 01:13:29.840
 up with section replacement it's actually built into his budget strategy but again that

01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:34.600
 will always be there with erosion primarily for dirt and then as brought up before requests

01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:39.000
 came in for improving the lighting on certain portions of the trail system and again if

01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:43.960
 we want to maximize usage picking high use corridors to actually add cost-effective solar

01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:50.360
 lighting over long term as well and then all of this not put in here but standard in design

01:13:50.360 --> 01:13:54.520
 now if y'all are familiar with the term with septet design is you design the trail system

01:13:54.520 --> 01:14:01.200
 with lighting and swath and with management to limit the visual potentials for crime and

01:14:01.200 --> 01:14:06.000
 threat on top of that just to add to that drew actually worked with our risk management

01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:11.880
 group in the city and did a septet of Quaker Town Park because we had a number of concerns

01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:17.800
 and questions about feeling safe and in some issues in the park itself so that's on our

01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:21.960
 list that we're working on with some work plan items to improve lighting and safety

01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:26.160
 and signage and a little bit of everything to help improve people's experience within

01:14:26.160 --> 01:14:37.500
 Quaker Town yes James yeah uh for the security uh you know the police have you ever considered

01:14:37.500 --> 01:14:47.440
 like doing like a police bike patrol as in asking them to patrol the trails yeah or you

01:14:47.440 --> 01:14:55.720
 know that the city could some way budget you know it makes a big difference just the presence

01:14:55.720 --> 01:15:01.720
 of police on the trail on a bike and they see you it makes a big difference that was

01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:06.600
 actually part of the septet that that risk management put in there as a as a suggestion

01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:12.160
 to have some sort of bike patrol if we could can i interrupt briefly is this is this going

01:15:12.160 --> 01:15:19.280
 to be covered in the last section with regards to safety and security uh it we kind of touch

01:15:19.280 --> 01:15:23.560
 it so if you if you we could go through the entire presentation then anything we missed

01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:32.560
 then we could handle that at that point time would be great thank you uh current trail

01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:37.880
 expansions by type again we get the creek and drainage trails and the estimated cost

01:15:37.880 --> 01:15:45.400
 to build to um primarily using dirt and crushed gravel so we can see the cost is running near

01:15:45.400 --> 01:15:49.240
 a million dollars just over a million dollars per mile from that area versus the internal

01:15:49.240 --> 01:15:55.820
 park trail system same thing now the internal park trail system or internal park trails

01:15:55.820 --> 01:16:00.800
 uh would be included in every park redesign and every new park that's put in so where

01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:05.780
 hunter coal uh properties will build a park as part of their hoa development and part

01:16:05.780 --> 01:16:10.600
 of the community and the developer putting in that infrastructure they will add and pick

01:16:10.600 --> 01:16:15.920
 up that cost so a variety of these as parks are built again for southwest parks in the

01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:21.200
 master plan of southwest parks if it includes a trail when you bond out to build southwest

01:16:21.200 --> 01:16:25.800
 parks that would be included in that individual park so it's not going out and asking for

01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:29.800
 60 million dollars at one time for the whole trail system a lot of these are going to

01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:36.520
 be included in park upgrades along the way the one portion that would probably be separate

01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:41.480
 and requested would be those drainage trails in succession maybe three to four million

01:16:41.480 --> 01:16:47.760
 dollars every two to three years to build out and acquire that infrastructure uh same

01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:51.940
 thing with the paddling trails likely to be picked up hopefully with the texas park and

01:16:51.940 --> 01:16:55.960
 wildlife grant and then contribute the city will make a standard 20 contribution which

01:16:55.960 --> 01:16:59.880
 we'll show later and then for each type of trail you're going to pick up additional maintenance

01:16:59.880 --> 01:17:05.880
 cost so down the road if this trail system is maxed out the way we would expect it to

01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:10.000
 be the way we hope it would be there's also probably going to be a need for a comprehensive

01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:15.720
 or full-time trail crew to manage this asset going forward so the same a lot of cities

01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:20.160
 specialize and have a crew just for ball field maintenance because it's specialized there

01:17:20.160 --> 01:17:25.540
 would be a small division for trail and tread maintenance as well but again this is the

01:17:25.540 --> 01:17:31.500
 highest used and number one requested asset in the park system usually so that contribution

01:17:31.500 --> 01:17:36.100
 is actually very small when you consider the millions of uses it gets across the year

01:17:36.100 --> 01:17:42.720
 all right the internal park trails that are lists we can see them all the biggest one

01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:48.160
 i point out at the top is the future mountain bike park a single track park that would be

01:17:48.160 --> 01:17:52.440
 in the property gary showed already on the wastewater system up by heartley field road

01:17:52.440 --> 01:17:57.880
 and then a variety of these as you guys are aware that these parks would come online unicorn

01:17:57.880 --> 01:18:04.600
 lake expanded a little bit south lakes park again could be expanded southwest park as

01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:09.240
 a future trail estimating at 2.5 miles and again picking up the maintenance costs for

01:18:09.240 --> 01:18:15.340
 those park assets as we go so look through that for a minute and see if there's any that

01:18:15.340 --> 01:18:26.640
 you have questions about a question okay um i'm looking at the mckinna park loop trail

01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:33.320
 and it's showing that it's going to be a concrete trail when we talked about that trail months

01:18:33.320 --> 01:18:40.680
 ago i was under the impression that it was going to be a crushed rock trail we we did

01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:45.380
 talk about that and i think the council had mentioned it too so the the challenge there

01:18:45.380 --> 01:18:51.840
 is the terrain and you know we we put a crushed granite trail and i'll let you drew chime in

01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:58.800
 on this as well at the dog park and it's washing away a good chunk of that trail right now

01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:04.720
 because all the water that's flushing through the the property so the concern there is if

01:19:04.720 --> 01:19:11.080
 we put crushed granite in specific areas obviously where there's more terrain that it's going

01:19:11.080 --> 01:19:17.920
 to be a constant maintenance issue so we're trying to balance where we need to put concrete

01:19:17.920 --> 01:19:25.120
 and where we need to put crushed granite we still need to put in a concrete ribbon on

01:19:25.120 --> 01:19:29.280
 the edges just to keep it the weeds from growing in and keep it clean if you go out to the

01:19:29.280 --> 01:19:35.080
 dog park we did that with the concrete ribbon and if you look over towards the animal shelter

01:19:35.080 --> 01:19:39.840
 there is no ribbon out there because that was kind of just like a temporary path that

01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:45.400
 we put in you could see the difference of how much cleaner it looks with the concrete

01:19:45.400 --> 01:19:51.000
 so it's not necessarily cheaper now there's certain people that want to run on crush on

01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:55.240
 concrete that don't want to run on concrete or that would rather run on crushed granite

01:19:55.240 --> 01:20:00.720
 or even asphalt would be in softer so there's a balance there so we're trying to look at

01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:06.160
 where we need to put concrete and where it would make the most sense in alleviate staff

01:20:06.160 --> 01:20:13.680
 and ongoing maintenance headache I understand what you're saying as someone who will be

01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:21.840
 using McKenna Park I'm planning on running that trail you know weekly it is very disappointing

01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:28.000
 to see that it's going to be concrete considering all the trails in the area are going to be

01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:36.800
 concrete I'm pretty sure Razor Ranch is going to be concrete in it and it is as we age running

01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:43.480
 on concrete hurts just a little bit more and I don't know if there are other options I

01:20:43.480 --> 01:20:50.400
 know later in the presentation you will be talking about different types of tread so

01:20:50.400 --> 01:21:05.360
 maybe consider putting in something that might be a little bit less rigid James yeah to that

01:21:05.360 --> 01:21:14.360
 I have another question to two questions here one is to address what she was talking about

01:21:14.360 --> 01:21:20.760
 is how wide or the is a trailer you do an eight-foot wide trail and how far how wide

01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:27.960
 is the easement our standard is 10-foot whenever we can you know if we have to adjust in certain

01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:34.520
 areas because the easement is small or there's a creek kind of really up against the property

01:21:34.520 --> 01:21:38.560
 edge we'll have to figure out how to deal with that and kind of work around it but wherever

01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:44.880
 we can you know 10-foot you know eight-foot if that's all we have that's fine you know

01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:51.760
 the trail that's going down on 377 I think is five or six feet obviously we're a little

01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:55.960
 late to the planning on that by the time we got everything up and running but that's something

01:21:55.960 --> 01:22:01.840
 we look to expand down the road on future phases for 377 so wherever we can if we can

01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:07.440
 get 10 feet that's great we get 12 feet that's even better but 10-foot is kind of our standard

01:22:07.440 --> 01:22:13.040
 that we're working off of 10-foot for the trail or 10-foot for the easement 10-foot

01:22:13.040 --> 01:22:20.760
 for the trail width okay what about the easement next to it the easement originally we're looking

01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:27.000
 at 30 feet at a minimum 10-foot on each side of the 10-foot trail if we if we could get

01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:33.480
 more that's great and also it also depends on if there's a creek or hills or slope or

01:22:33.480 --> 01:22:38.440
 trees too on what that easement might look like right well then the reason I'm asking

01:22:38.440 --> 01:22:44.560
 is because one of the things you can do if you got the easement next to the trail and

01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:53.520
 you can do meet feel like a little running berm on either side or both so that to Alana's

01:22:53.520 --> 01:23:01.800
 point because it concrete kills your knees what we did there was just to use a berm along

01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:06.120
 the side that the runners could use that so they didn't have to use the actual get on

01:23:06.120 --> 01:23:16.680
 the concrete part just just a just a point um secondly a question on the um one of the

01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:21.520
 things I had asked about earlier as you well know was and I appreciate you mentioned the

01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:26.080
 three second connection because that's the cottonwood trail is going to go all the way

01:23:26.080 --> 01:23:34.280
 down along that railroad track there all the way to um I know uh all the way to actually

01:23:34.280 --> 01:23:42.600
 go to Fort Worth that's there's a that's part of the cottonwood uh velo web trail and uh

01:23:42.600 --> 01:23:48.520
 anyway but the one that concerned me most was like access a quaker town park from the

01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:55.400
 train station there yeah so there's um the parking lots at city hall east which is on

01:23:55.400 --> 01:24:01.440
 the north side of the train station is set to be rebuilt eventually and we've asked for

01:24:01.440 --> 01:24:09.120
 a 10-foot trail to carry uh on the west side of city hall east that would take us to mckinney

01:24:09.120 --> 01:24:14.600
 then we need to get from mckinney to quaker town so that one block needs some logistics

01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:19.720
 in regards to how we're going to do that um so that that hasn't been flushed out yet but

01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:23.880
 we we have that in mind try to figure out how to connect those and that'll help whenever

01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:30.720
 the mckinney phase finally gets to the downtown area that'll be flushed out then okay at the

01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:41.080
 timing yeah let's see okay thanks and dr walker I see that this internal parks trail proposed

01:24:41.080 --> 01:24:45.680
 uh list does not include some of the newer parks so this will be periodically updated

01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:55.640
 correct correct correct thank you looking at this list i'm just curious if there was

01:24:55.640 --> 01:25:00.820
 anything and maybe i'm just missing it with mac park i know a lot of people utilize that

01:25:00.820 --> 01:25:05.280
 park as a trail but similar to what you're saying it's like cattle what'd you call it

01:25:05.280 --> 01:25:13.640
 gary cattle a cattle path yeah cattle path um sorry city folk um cattle path of like

01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:19.920
 obviously where the individuals use the trail but there's also not a way to cross from one

01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:28.200
 side of mac to the other safely like you would at south lakes or um north lakes park is there

01:25:28.200 --> 01:25:31.640
 do you expect that there's going to be like you mentioned before that's a pretty major

01:25:31.640 --> 01:25:36.560
 street some type of crossway for people i think i joked around with gary of can we build

01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:44.080
 a bridge but is there a is there a way to connect that one part so the mac park on the

01:25:44.080 --> 01:25:52.400
 south side which is roberts field uh that is in the canopy uh trails okay kind of property

01:25:52.400 --> 01:25:57.280
 um and then crossing that street we would either use the the flashing lights like dr

01:25:57.280 --> 01:26:03.840
 walker had mentioned or if if traffic counts were an issue we would have to send people

01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:08.840
 down to the intersection and then back up to get to the park is the safest bet so those

01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:13.720
 would be the two options a flyover bridge obviously is an option but from a cost standpoint

01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:23.440
 it probably isn't feasible um but that's the two main options we have thank you and that

01:26:23.440 --> 01:26:31.560
 would be in the uh comprehensive trails plan so not the chapter you would go back and assess

01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:36.360
 access and this is in here a little bit later accessibility to every single park from a

01:26:36.360 --> 01:26:42.280
 walking perspective and the entire city from there all right so um so we'll move forward

01:26:42.280 --> 01:26:46.720
 a little bit the creek and drainage linear trails these are the ones that really provide

01:26:46.720 --> 01:26:53.560
 the greatest opportunity to link major sections of the city across the city using the current

01:26:53.560 --> 01:26:57.760
 creek corridors a lot of these trails kind of exist as goat paths and old equestrian

01:26:57.760 --> 01:27:02.880
 paths and fishing paths that have been walked in that would require to get easements and

01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:06.000
 agreements with the corps of engineers for a lot of these properties and then go back

01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:10.440
 in and formalize the trail and establish the beds so that's part of the big plan and you

01:27:10.440 --> 01:27:15.000
 can see a lot of these have phases so we'll see hickory creek in here multiple times and

01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:20.600
 the same thing with pecan creek in here multiple times um the majority of these trails due

01:27:20.600 --> 01:27:25.360
 to the nature of the ground and costs would be either dirt or crushed um so there if you're

01:27:25.360 --> 01:27:30.000
 wanting to go out and run um especially a long distance this would be that softer surface

01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:36.400
 opportunities through a more to provide a stable tread but also have one that's purpose

01:27:36.400 --> 01:27:40.480
 allows water to get through it and reduces the maintenance a little bit and the cost

01:27:40.480 --> 01:27:44.240
 of installation it's a whole lot cheaper to build these than it is to put concrete down

01:27:44.240 --> 01:27:48.320
 and the corps won't really want concrete in most of the properties that's a whole different

01:27:48.320 --> 01:27:54.720
 animal to take on for agreements so they do require maintenance not quite as much mostly

01:27:54.720 --> 01:27:59.280
 pruning and mowing as opposed to edging and cutting through for there so this is kind

01:27:59.280 --> 01:28:06.240
 of that list to look through now some of these you will see concrete in here listed for certain

01:28:06.240 --> 01:28:11.680
 portions of these trails where we've estimated if they're put in would have extremely high

01:28:11.680 --> 01:28:17.960
 use um they could they might start as concrete and if the use is actually there that's expected

01:28:17.960 --> 01:28:22.480
 the city would then go back in and invest and then put in a concrete trail initially

01:28:22.480 --> 01:28:27.000
 most of these would go in unless supported with development money would go in as crushed

01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:34.600
 crushed rock if not just well sturdier yeah and dirt trails if managed right hold up really

01:28:34.600 --> 01:28:40.600
 really well um you know the forest service has figured this out if you actually establish

01:28:40.600 --> 01:28:45.840
 the trail properly under proper conditions and slopes and then manage those slopes and

01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:52.120
 manage the tread with compression strategies such as just rolling it every year um thanks

01:28:52.120 --> 01:28:55.800
 to the clay that's in the soils around here the treads can actually hold up as good as

01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:59.880
 concrete if they're managed properly so that's where you get back to the maintenance strategy

01:28:59.880 --> 01:29:08.360
 from there street and side pathways again this is what is going to be inherited a good

01:29:08.360 --> 01:29:12.840
 example is mayhill which is why it's one of the pictures in there this is where as the

01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:18.720
 city goes in and upgrades the roads throughout this throughout town they constantly are coming

01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:23.800
 back and then adding on one side a larger at least eight foot pathway with a nice easement

01:29:23.800 --> 01:29:29.080
 on both sides that make it multi-use for non-motorized transportation and it's still a walking path

01:29:29.080 --> 01:29:33.000
 on the other side in the majority of these trails where the land is available to them

01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:39.360
 all of these are planned to be concrete as the city puts them in there's no cost which

01:29:39.360 --> 01:29:43.840
 is great for the side paths because they're part of that road project however there will

01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:48.960
 be long-term maintenance cost as the city inherits every single one of these segments

01:29:48.960 --> 01:29:53.440
 this is also a massive amount of connectivity being provided across the city and expansion

01:29:53.440 --> 01:29:57.940
 the trail system it's probably the largest long-term impact to the entire system coming

01:29:57.940 --> 01:30:03.400
 forward at no cost that the city has it's just that the park system doesn't control

01:30:03.400 --> 01:30:09.040
 when these projects are done just in full disclosure the while we put down phases on

01:30:09.040 --> 01:30:13.200
 here we're not sure if those are going to be the phases for the actual road construction

01:30:13.200 --> 01:30:17.840
 we looked at it from kind of like major roadway to major roadway and just kind of broke it

01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:25.280
 up into smaller sections so we're working with our CIP team to try to figure out exactly

01:30:25.280 --> 01:30:31.320
 what those phases may be to try to get more detail but as a section of a park master plan

01:30:31.320 --> 01:30:37.120
 we're way deep in the weeds already so we've gone well beyond a standard kind of trail

01:30:37.120 --> 01:30:42.200
 section of a master plan would be with some of these details so it just allows us to look

01:30:42.200 --> 01:30:53.520
 at planning in a little more advanced paddling trails growing opportunity across the state

01:30:53.520 --> 01:30:58.820
 of Texas and really across the country Gary has a background with working and establishing

01:30:58.820 --> 01:31:04.200
 these in Arlington as well there is with lake access and lake proximity for the city there's

01:31:04.200 --> 01:31:09.240
 great opportunity here and we've identified a variety of locations of where these could

01:31:09.240 --> 01:31:14.600
 go and estimated their length and then general cost estimation for putting them in and again

01:31:14.600 --> 01:31:18.600
 what's nice here is these are highly supported by Texas Park and Wildlife to create access

01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:26.920
 to the outdoors just another way to get involved and and are those just the Elm Fork I mean

01:31:26.920 --> 01:31:32.800
 along the Elm Fork River itself or those some specific construction or work that would need

01:31:32.800 --> 01:31:37.240
 to be done there would be launch points that would need to be created for some of these

01:31:37.240 --> 01:31:41.120
 other plan and again we'll get to it and just a little bit would be to have ADA access as

01:31:41.120 --> 01:31:45.640
 well as for these launches and you have markers that you would need to put in especially for

01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:50.240
 the lake trail so a couple of these trails are actually in the on the lake itself and

01:31:50.240 --> 01:31:53.320
 you'd go out and actually put your marker points that you know you can see them at a

01:31:53.320 --> 01:31:57.400
 distance so you know you're going in the right direction and not just cutting across a cove

01:31:57.400 --> 01:32:01.440
 and possibly getting to a section of the lake you didn't want to go to so I do have a question

01:32:01.440 --> 01:32:05.880
 about that I guess if we're gonna if the responsibility of that is going to fall at least partly under

01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:11.920
 us I've paddled a lot of those trails on the Elm Fork at least from Ray Roberts all the

01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:17.440
 way down to Sandy Lake Park and there's you know log jam after log jam where you have

01:32:17.440 --> 01:32:22.080
 to get out in portage and and deal with those problems and they're actually worse now than

01:32:22.080 --> 01:32:26.280
 they've ever been is that something that would ultimately fall under our responsibility to

01:32:26.280 --> 01:32:32.840
 have to take care of it the plan would be to get permission to either cooperatively

01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:36.920
 take care of them or yes take over the management of them completely if allowed the Corps is

01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:42.360
 very protective of what's done on their land but Clear Creek's a pretty good example of

01:32:42.360 --> 01:32:50.240
 how they're trying to step away from land management I'm sorry go ahead a good example

01:32:50.240 --> 01:32:56.280
 would be Grapevine Lake Grapevine Lake has I believe 16 park segments that go all the

01:32:56.280 --> 01:33:01.520
 way around the lake the Corps only now manages two of them they've handed over the management

01:33:01.520 --> 01:33:05.960
 of all the other properties to the local cities recognizing that the cities have time and

01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:11.400
 the desire to address it to make it usable for their residents again the city has to

01:33:11.400 --> 01:33:16.920
 do everything under Corps environmental regulations so it's not like you can just go you know

01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:20.080
 put a stick of dynamite in there and blow it out because that's how you want to manage

01:33:20.080 --> 01:33:25.440
 it so when an issue happens that has to be taken care of the city can get permission

01:33:25.440 --> 01:33:29.240
 to do it it's just going to be done under Corps guides and Corps regulation for them

01:33:29.240 --> 01:33:33.120
 okay it kind of seems like they have stopped doing that so I didn't know if that was going

01:33:33.120 --> 01:33:37.840
 to be the same kind of issue that we're going to have so um no and part of go ahead Gary

01:33:37.840 --> 01:33:44.000
 just just to kind of add to what Dr. Whiteford said the Army Corps of Parks and Wildlife

01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:49.680
 came in and cleared out the southern log jam on the south side of 380 so that's been cleared

01:33:49.680 --> 01:33:53.760
 up we still have one on the north side and we realized that that's going to be kind of

01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:58.720
 an ongoing challenge obviously we'd love for someone else to take care of that if we can

01:33:58.720 --> 01:34:04.120
 so we'll definitely try to reach out to them as much as possible to make sure those cleared

01:34:04.120 --> 01:34:10.480
 obviously if there is a log jam we can't we can't be promoting these so wherever we can

01:34:10.480 --> 01:34:17.680
 kind of open up a section of it maybe on the north side more that's great maybe it's just

01:34:17.680 --> 01:34:22.680
 the southern side down where the the coves are to get those open and just continue to

01:34:22.680 --> 01:34:26.400
 kind of work through the process you know I just I would just like us to be conscious

01:34:26.400 --> 01:34:29.680
 of that because I think that could end up being a real headache for us I've never been

01:34:29.680 --> 01:34:33.160
 able to paddle down there without having to pull out and portage for several hundred yards

01:34:33.160 --> 01:34:40.000
 absolutely totally agree with you just a reminder we have about 23 minutes left of meeting time

01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:49.320
 you tried to cut me off Francis I'm just trying to get through the meeting James yeah the

01:34:49.320 --> 01:34:53.960
 one of the things that helped down on the Great Lake Grapevine you mentioned that there's

01:34:53.960 --> 01:35:02.920
 a north shore to two major trails on the north side one's the north trail or the run by a

01:35:02.920 --> 01:35:09.720
 group called Dorba Dallas Off-Road Bicycle Association so there's a possibility of like

01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:14.520
 getting a you know since you have kayakers and people like that canoeist that maybe get

01:35:14.520 --> 01:35:21.040
 a group to they maintain those trails right he does not and and then the other is the

01:35:21.040 --> 01:35:25.440
 equestrian trail there's a question trailer goes around here too so like a seven and a

01:35:25.440 --> 01:35:33.360
 half mile equestrian trail that's maintained by Tetra which is a local equestrian club

01:35:33.360 --> 01:35:38.720
 so they both two different groups through different trails but that's how they take

01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:43.720
 care of that they they maintain agreement and agreement to use it they also have to

01:35:43.720 --> 01:35:51.000
 agree to maintain it correct and and with that it's very possible again it takes a

01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:55.520
 it's an effort and some investment but you can help establish either like the park foundation

01:35:55.520 --> 01:36:02.760
 or association groups or clubs that would get the training by certain members so that

01:36:02.760 --> 01:36:06.480
 they could appropriately do the work under core guidance and they can do cooperative

01:36:06.480 --> 01:36:09.800
 training with the core to take care of these things so that would be part of the long-term

01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:15.100
 plan and again as Gary mentioned you would bring each trail each paddling trail online

01:36:15.100 --> 01:36:20.040
 as you knew you had a long-term feasible strategy to make it work not just jump in and take

01:36:20.040 --> 01:36:24.400
 them and then have a maintenance headache that you could really take care of so as far

01:36:24.400 --> 01:36:29.960
 as the delay for the core properties budget has been a big problem for them they lost

01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:33.160
 Texas Park and Wildlife had a whole lot of money they had to give up that would have

01:36:33.160 --> 01:36:37.240
 come up to this section to deal with Hurricane Harvey which is why a lot of the log jams

01:36:37.240 --> 01:36:42.840
 were left unmanaged for quite some time as they slowly worked back they're trying to

01:36:42.840 --> 01:36:48.760
 get to you know highest needs at their appropriate time okay this is a list of the primary connectors

01:36:48.760 --> 01:36:54.640
 and again this is I'm sorry go ahead and I had two questions about the paddling and

01:36:54.640 --> 01:37:00.280
 I noticed that some of those are you launch at the state park and so you have to pay like

01:37:00.280 --> 01:37:06.680
 the state park fee to get to the trail if the city takes over those trails will people

01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:13.760
 still have to pay the state park fee so are the proposals that we have here are opportunities

01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:19.480
 that we would be working with the Texas Parks and Wildlife to get these enhanced promoted

01:37:19.480 --> 01:37:25.480
 planned so if if that section of the trail is still under their jurisdiction and you

01:37:25.480 --> 01:37:31.500
 would have to pay the fee for that specific location some of these may not be or they

01:37:31.500 --> 01:37:35.400
 all may be a joint partnership down the road we're not sure yet we haven't flushed through

01:37:35.400 --> 01:37:40.200
 all that yet but just on the surface if you were going to launch at a Texas Parks and

01:37:40.200 --> 01:37:46.480
 Wildlife you would have to pay any associated fees for that or have a pass so I guess I

01:37:46.480 --> 01:37:56.320
 just don't I don't understand the list if it's like it's saying greenbelt 428 is a trail

01:37:56.320 --> 01:38:04.280
 and we're gonna do $2,000 maintenance cost for the year if it's already a state park

01:38:04.280 --> 01:38:09.720
 I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding how it's not just a state park paddling trail

01:38:09.720 --> 01:38:16.000
 versus a city park paddling trail yeah so there so the maintenance is just on there

01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:21.120
 as a placeholder if we were have to maintain that based off of estimates that park maintenance

01:38:21.120 --> 01:38:26.920
 and drew have put together but if obviously if that's being maintained currently by Texas

01:38:26.920 --> 01:38:31.960
 Parks and Wildlife we won't have to do that so we would take that off or be asking for

01:38:31.960 --> 01:38:39.480
 grants to buy buoys signage maps launch ramps through Texas Parks and Wildlife for that capital

01:38:39.480 --> 01:38:44.360
 improvement and again the starting point could actually be from city-controlled property

01:38:44.360 --> 01:38:49.200
 so you can go up the creek and as long as you're not launching or taking out on their

01:38:49.200 --> 01:38:55.200
 property you don't pay the fee not that many people paddle upstream but it is done yeah

01:38:55.200 --> 01:39:02.520
 I do right I do too so you could leave from Clear Creek or if the city acquires a launch

01:39:02.520 --> 01:39:08.600
 point on Lake Louisville and work your way back up what is considered to be a state park

01:39:08.600 --> 01:39:12.600
 paddling trail it just depends on which direction you go and then where the access points are

01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:17.480
 provided to it and I know where to hurry get my other question is have have you all looked

01:39:17.480 --> 01:39:23.880
 at Clear Creek as being a paddling trail like launching from there at Fisherman's Trail

01:39:23.880 --> 01:39:37.360
 or somewhere yes yes we have okay and that's why actually drew we might need to go back

01:39:37.360 --> 01:39:41.280
 in and consider adding that in if we know especially with the potential of the Don Carter

01:39:41.280 --> 01:39:46.040
 development if that could be a possible launch site that would go that far up and it's going

01:39:46.040 --> 01:39:50.880
 to depend on what happens with the water now that the log jams being removed down at the

01:39:50.880 --> 01:39:55.120
 bottom of the green belt okay but I'll add that to it to expand the list and take a look

01:39:55.120 --> 01:40:00.960
 at that today tomorrow okay the connectors just I'll move this a little quicker these

01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:07.040
 are some of the primaries that are recognized to be needed to expand the potential of connectivity

01:40:07.040 --> 01:40:11.040
 across the city as well as get from one part of the town to the other the biggest one being

01:40:11.040 --> 01:40:16.640
 the opportunity to get through underneath i-35 to the side of the current railroad tracks

01:40:16.640 --> 01:40:21.960
 headed towards the future side path trail that would be down 377 that would then provide

01:40:21.960 --> 01:40:28.480
 connectivity to the future cotton belt trail so this is one list and again Gary do we have

01:40:28.480 --> 01:40:33.880
 a larger one later we do have a we have an entire another power point of all the text

01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:38.720
 dot connector points which has it so this is just an example to say that we recognize

01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:42.200
 that within this system there's going to be a lot of quick short segments that need to

01:40:42.200 --> 01:40:49.640
 be identified to create trail to trail connectivity or across the system so they're not necessarily

01:40:49.640 --> 01:40:53.680
 long enough there might be expansions or they're just the need to create the linkage that doesn't

01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:58.000
 exist right now and expand maybe take a trail another quarter mile or through a pathway

01:40:58.000 --> 01:41:02.640
 or through an underpass and appropriately design it so that would work where needed

01:41:02.640 --> 01:41:06.680
 some of these may have to become on street connectors as well where you have bollard

01:41:06.680 --> 01:41:11.120
 and protected pathways as you see in the middle picture where you have a barrier separating

01:41:11.120 --> 01:41:17.560
 the road from the rider another issue too that will be paid attention to recommended

01:41:17.560 --> 01:41:23.320
 in this entire plan is to pay attention to the design so that you maximize ada accessibility

01:41:23.320 --> 01:41:28.440
 and ada use across the entire system again i'd go back to and i've done this i've worked

01:41:28.440 --> 01:41:34.960
 on trails for 25 plus years now is you can put in a dirt tread trail if it's established

01:41:34.960 --> 01:41:39.960
 right and maintained that would meet ada standards you just have to stay on top of it and keep

01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:46.920
 it in good shape so the idea would be in everything done at the point of access in the parking

01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:53.680
 lots as well as the treads themselves to maximize ada potential across the entire system this

01:41:53.680 --> 01:41:58.600
 is just quick overview of the different types of surfaces that we primarily use between

01:41:58.600 --> 01:42:03.560
 paved crushed dirt rock and then boardwalks were needed possibly out in the clear creek

01:42:03.560 --> 01:42:09.520
 area or in low-lying areas to it's just it's it becomes a more cost-effective way to traverse

01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:16.280
 certain portions of the terrain signage and support is another recommendation some of

01:42:16.280 --> 01:42:20.360
 this is needed on the current trail system now to improve and understand wayfinding and

01:42:20.360 --> 01:42:24.600
 where when you hit certain points what's in each direction or how far you've gone and

01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:29.200
 again this is just an overview of the general signages that's needed for trail identification

01:42:29.200 --> 01:42:36.960
 safety uses courtesy as well as confirmation and then turn and directional decisions this

01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:42.640
 is one example of one of the future internal trails to be built this is the one that was

01:42:42.640 --> 01:42:46.360
 shown at the heartley field property so this line's a little off going through what will

01:42:46.360 --> 01:42:51.800
 have to be that top left section for where the wastewater treatment is needed to block

01:42:51.800 --> 01:42:55.720
 off land for usage but the idea will be to come in and put in a five to seven mile single

01:42:55.720 --> 01:43:02.080
 track dirt course within this property and also create a connector that would go over

01:43:02.080 --> 01:43:05.360
 to the clear creek property where there's currently restaurants available so it would

01:43:05.360 --> 01:43:09.100
 be to make that connection next to it and then long term if possible to acquire the

01:43:09.100 --> 01:43:13.800
 land next door and expand the connectivity of the two parks as well going forward but

01:43:13.800 --> 01:43:17.940
 i'll leave that in the land acquisition plan from there so this kind of just shows a way

01:43:17.940 --> 01:43:23.000
 to use that land we'll jump to the next one some other opportunities that exist is to

01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:29.120
 add within loop trail system similar to like a skate park is areas of pump tracks to be

01:43:29.120 --> 01:43:33.940
 identified that can be put into a single track adding on trick features as cutouts something

01:43:33.940 --> 01:43:38.880
 that dorba loves to do with their trust systems so you can have a trail system that lets us

01:43:38.880 --> 01:43:43.080
 say in the world of ski slopes is a green and then you can have cutoffs that get it

01:43:43.080 --> 01:43:48.000
 blue and black and have trick features added on to it to create more interest in writing

01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:52.720
 and when you build specialty features like this into the trail system they become destination

01:43:52.720 --> 01:43:56.780
 opportunities that actually contribute to your tourism dollar and your your visitation

01:43:56.780 --> 01:44:03.360
 dollars as well there's also dedicated funding for some of these types of developments because

01:44:03.360 --> 01:44:07.760
 the associations and industries that build them recognize they reinvest to keep them

01:44:07.760 --> 01:44:13.280
 going in selling property or sorry in selling equipment to maintain them primary one is

01:44:13.280 --> 01:44:17.620
 atv trail development for motorized which again came up in the focus group meetings

01:44:17.620 --> 01:44:24.000
 and the community input is texas park and wildlife has a specific fund dedicated just

01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:30.760
 for motorized trails that's out there because a portion of the gassed money to gas tax that's

01:44:30.760 --> 01:44:35.200
 collected for individuals that own atvs this is how they give it back to them to help create

01:44:35.200 --> 01:44:42.640
 these state park trail systems and also potential revenue generators other interpretive and

01:44:42.640 --> 01:44:46.400
 historic use trails would be the veterans trail and founders of the community's trails

01:44:46.400 --> 01:44:52.280
 this would be taking either existing trails that are in place within the city parks now

01:44:52.280 --> 01:44:56.800
 or in future parks that go in and dedicating to these types of usage as well as putting

01:44:56.800 --> 01:45:02.160
 in the signage and information to make them function this way you kind of see some of

01:45:02.160 --> 01:45:06.820
 that on the trail system going down the katie trail now with signage along the way and this

01:45:06.820 --> 01:45:10.640
 would just be identifying those that we have or will have in the future to function in

01:45:10.640 --> 01:45:22.360
 this capacity equestrian trail use again as it's in this part of the country horses are

01:45:22.360 --> 01:45:28.440
 a big thing and it came up as well and there is the potential for either separate use or

01:45:28.440 --> 01:45:32.680
 possibly shared use shared use can be done if it's designed right and maintained right

01:45:32.680 --> 01:45:38.440
 as well as signed and educated appropriately for certain portions of the corridor trails

01:45:38.440 --> 01:45:45.960
 or the quarter lands and the easements to be put in as it as equestrian use down the road

01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:50.920
 and then overview again of hunter coal of what's coming how much of that future trail

01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:56.480
 system specifically will just be in that one long-term development but again that's probably

01:45:56.480 --> 01:46:01.560
 at least 20 years away from being completely built out it yeah probably even be more than

01:46:01.560 --> 01:46:10.040
 that depending on the economy in the plan in the chapter is just a quick general estimate

01:46:10.040 --> 01:46:14.320
 of cost and where funding would come from and historically a variety of this would be

01:46:14.320 --> 01:46:18.960
 done internally through bonds bond packages and such however there are in the case of

01:46:18.960 --> 01:46:25.360
 the side paths the 130 expected miles to come on from side paths will cost the city nothing

01:46:25.360 --> 01:46:29.720
 just again planned maintenance costs down the road for the parks department paddling

01:46:29.720 --> 01:46:35.920
 trails again have a very well documented historic match opportunity from texas park and wildlife

01:46:35.920 --> 01:46:40.040
 equestrian trails since they would be shared would be built into the use opportunity as

01:46:40.040 --> 01:46:45.760
 well so it's just to overview the budget and this is just a closing slide to go back to

01:46:45.760 --> 01:46:49.200
 the overview of the entire system and what this chapter will look like in the master

01:46:49.200 --> 01:46:58.720
 plan so now questions or additional questions yes uh quick question of the 210 miles of

01:46:58.720 --> 01:47:08.200
 trails um how much how many miles do you think will be connected like in the next five years

01:47:08.200 --> 01:47:18.560
 um that that's a tough question um it i i don't even know how to answer it you know

01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:23.520
 the the pecan creek trail would be the easiest one for us to build because the majority of

01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:29.080
 it is government property um obviously when the roads are built uh you know if bonnie

01:47:29.080 --> 01:47:36.480
 bray is completely done you'll be able to go from 77 down to uh vintage um so that'll

01:47:36.480 --> 01:47:42.000
 be a complete stretch a portion that is going to be on road uh from vintage to rose lawn

01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:50.020
 um and then vintage is under construction right now from 35 to 377 so there's really

01:47:50.020 --> 01:48:00.200
 it's not going to be a smooth uh process of point a to point t it's going to be a s b

01:48:00.200 --> 01:48:06.480
 f g it's it's not going to be you know like like pushing over dominos uh it's going to

01:48:06.480 --> 01:48:12.640
 be scattered based off of priorities condition of land acquisition of property uh grant opportunities

01:48:12.640 --> 01:48:17.600
 so it's going to be all over the place so you may have trails that have three or four

01:48:17.600 --> 01:48:23.000
 segments that aren't connected and we need to you know get those connections when you

01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:28.080
 know someone dedicates the land 10 years from now so it would be great to be able to say

01:48:28.080 --> 01:48:32.560
 we could do everything at one time bonnie bray you know mayhill some of those roads

01:48:32.560 --> 01:48:37.920
 are probably the easiest way joe and jump in if i'm if you have any ideas the easiest

01:48:37.920 --> 01:48:42.680
 way to get a large stretch done at one time because they're going to go in and hit a road

01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:49.840
 all at once um that probably would be the easiest way to get a long stretch but when

01:48:49.840 --> 01:48:54.440
 working through the creeks uh that's going to take time that's not going to be a slow

01:48:54.440 --> 01:48:59.840
 process um because there's a lot of land and a lot of private land that we need to work

01:48:59.840 --> 01:49:05.040
 through and see if we can acquire or get you know easements and those types of things um

01:49:05.040 --> 01:49:10.960
 and then obviously the funding to build it too so i know the cip the transportation group

01:49:10.960 --> 01:49:15.920
 goes after grant funding for for roads and we'll be going after grant funding for the

01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:21.600
 trails too so trying to get them built as as quickly and as cheaply not not necessarily

01:49:21.600 --> 01:49:27.640
 cheaply but as uh fiscally responsible for the city to try to use tax you know federal

01:49:27.640 --> 01:49:33.360
 tax grants and those types of things whenever we can uh but it's not going to be fluid like

01:49:33.360 --> 01:49:40.440
 a b and c type of rollout is there a place online where people can um go and see like

01:49:40.440 --> 01:49:46.400
 right now if they wanted to go like do a five mile run where the best places in town to

01:49:46.400 --> 01:49:51.620
 go for a five mile run are as part of this we're trying to figure out and joe is looking

01:49:51.620 --> 01:49:56.960
 at where smaller loops are throughout the city and how we could eventually have almost

01:49:56.960 --> 01:50:02.600
 like you know a necklace of loops around the city where if you live in one location you

01:50:02.600 --> 01:50:07.280
 could jump on that loop and and go out and come back around or if you wanted to go around

01:50:07.280 --> 01:50:12.400
 the entire city there's a way to do that at some point in time too so it's really you

01:50:12.400 --> 01:50:19.560
 know 30 year plan plus to try to get a lot of these things done um but that's part of

01:50:19.560 --> 01:50:25.040
 the process that we'll get into more detail as we go forward with the trails plan you

01:50:25.040 --> 01:50:32.000
 know this is typically i think dr walker said maybe 15 to 17 to 20 pages long and and we're

01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:37.680
 well past that with a lot more detail than you would typically see uh in a master plan

01:50:37.680 --> 01:50:42.600
 for an entire park system then eventually we'll have to do a trail system master plan that's

01:50:42.600 --> 01:50:50.120
 going to have a lot more detail i i would say if if the concrete can get done even in

01:50:50.120 --> 01:50:55.480
 a crushed gravel strategy cheaper quicker and all the agreements can get in place um

01:50:55.480 --> 01:51:00.120
 that one has potential to connect to mayhill and thanks to mayhill already being done and

01:51:00.120 --> 01:51:04.160
 mayhill having the opportunity to connect back to the katie trail you could have a 15

01:51:04.160 --> 01:51:09.920
 mile loop opportunity just there and then again if you can get pecan creek or through

01:51:09.920 --> 01:51:14.720
 mayhill connected back to cooper creek you can get to 20 to 25 miles within the next

01:51:14.720 --> 01:51:20.120
 probably seven to eight years would be more feasible if the city makes it a priority and

01:51:20.120 --> 01:51:24.780
 can provide the parks department the funding you could do it in five but that's asking

01:51:24.780 --> 01:51:29.040
 a lot to have everything's got to fall into place with agreements for it to happen in

01:51:29.040 --> 01:51:33.280
 five you have if you want to go for a five mile run now well you have that on the katie

01:51:33.280 --> 01:51:39.040
 trail now you can start downtown and go quite a ways now and keep going not necessarily

01:51:39.040 --> 01:51:44.760
 in the city of denton but you can actually get to lewisville now by following that trail

01:51:44.760 --> 01:51:48.280
 system because it connects all the way down into lewisville as well as flower mountain

01:51:48.280 --> 01:51:53.480
 so you pick up their trail systems as well so the connectivity now of continuous riding

01:51:53.480 --> 01:52:00.400
 uh the further side gone in one direction back out and back was uh 36 miles is what

01:52:00.400 --> 01:52:02.240
 you can do now from leaving denton downtown

01:52:02.240 --> 01:52:09.820
 yes that's a great question though and some good ideas that we'll definitely work on

01:52:09.820 --> 01:52:25.160
 yes uh thanks um uh online map a couple years ago we had an online map of the trail system

01:52:25.160 --> 01:52:32.040
 both proposed and again the wines are white rubber bands you know they're not you know

01:52:32.040 --> 01:52:37.000
 definitely going to go this exact location but at least put bands in there so that people

01:52:37.000 --> 01:52:42.520
 can know where our trails are and and make the plan that alana if she wants to do that

01:52:42.520 --> 01:52:47.400
 she can go up online and look at the map is there any plans or put a map up there and

01:52:47.400 --> 01:52:51.720
 also like the kind you can put in your butt on your iphone or whatever while you're riding

01:52:51.720 --> 01:52:57.320
 your bike and look at where you are relative to the map yeah once once everything's flushed

01:52:57.320 --> 01:53:03.760
 out we'll definitely make sure it's it's interactive and technology can be enhanced with all that

01:53:03.760 --> 01:53:09.320
 information we do have everything on a on our gis system as of right now and that's

01:53:09.320 --> 01:53:13.160
 the map that we shared with you if you might think back in january when we talked about

01:53:13.160 --> 01:53:17.600
 this we're at a point now we're trying to flush out the to get the pros and cons the

01:53:17.600 --> 01:53:23.000
 goods and bads of everything before we go in and start finalizing things and putting

01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:29.360
 plans out there for final you know engineering those types of grant applications so right

01:53:29.360 --> 01:53:33.720
 now we're trying to flush it out and make sure that we're on the right track and get

01:53:33.720 --> 01:53:40.280
 feedback whether it's from you city council and the community as a whole i have a question

01:53:40.280 --> 01:53:50.680
 for eddie and are we on a strict 230 time limit but i do ask yes we are so right after

01:53:50.680 --> 01:53:55.920
 us that's net had to do that starts exactly three but they have to do the setup as well

01:53:55.920 --> 01:54:04.160
 just like what we did so we have two additional items left and um looks like um i don't know

01:54:04.160 --> 01:54:14.160
 if we can get through that in three minutes so um shall we table these items and and i

01:54:14.160 --> 01:54:20.920
 move that we table them well david let me finish this oh i'm sorry i'm sorry i would

01:54:20.920 --> 01:54:29.600
 draw my motion i was trying to be efficient i have three minutes two and a half i need

01:54:29.600 --> 01:54:39.320
 a motion to table the last two items and for the next meeting i also move david made a

01:54:39.320 --> 01:54:51.240
 motion jameson i'll second his motion okay with that in mind i need a motion to uh two

01:54:51.240 --> 01:54:56.960
 things additional things to add with the two items is to gary you're going to come back

01:54:56.960 --> 01:55:02.680
 and talk to us about the unt property the veterans park and i wanted to add the absentee

01:55:02.680 --> 01:55:14.800
 policy and possibly invite rosa so we can discuss that policy for the next meeting before

01:55:14.800 --> 01:55:21.760
 before we depart just wanted to give everybody a heads up in uh with uh goods and bads of

01:55:21.760 --> 01:55:27.600
 laura barons is going to be moving over to finance um she's taken over the grand administration

01:55:27.600 --> 01:55:32.120
 position for the city so we hate to see her leave but it's it's another opportunity for

01:55:32.120 --> 01:55:38.520
 her to diversify her portfolio uh for city management um so friday or i guess thursday

01:55:38.520 --> 01:55:43.960
 technic was her last day she was off on friday but um and she's she went to california for

01:55:43.960 --> 01:55:47.880
 the weekend so tomorrow she'll be back she's going to be at city hall east for a little

01:55:47.880 --> 01:55:52.840
 bit but she'll be housed over here at city hall uh so she'll still be with the city she's

01:55:52.840 --> 01:55:58.360
 helping us with the 915 16 ordinance so she's still going to be involved for that so she's

01:55:58.360 --> 01:56:04.280
 not gone completely uh so she'll be back probably at the next meeting uh just if we're going

01:56:04.280 --> 01:56:11.520
 to try to get that on the agenda for um next month if we can if not november for sure uh

01:56:11.520 --> 01:56:16.640
 we would like to get that rolling so yep she uh so we we are going to be we're advertising

01:56:16.640 --> 01:56:22.400
 for that position on a search for another ad we'll obviously be taking internal and

01:56:22.400 --> 01:56:29.400
 external applications uh so it'll be a few months before we get somebody on board okay

01:56:29.400 --> 01:56:34.280
 i saw elana you had a question and david has a question yeah i was wondering um in the

01:56:34.280 --> 01:56:41.200
 future maybe um we're too full for next time but could you talk to us about your acquisition

01:56:41.200 --> 01:56:49.160
 of clear creek and what that looks like yep thanks david uh yeah i'd like maybe just a

01:56:49.160 --> 01:57:00.680
 little update on the changes with uh kdb and how that affects things with the parks department

01:57:00.680 --> 01:57:06.520
 all right i need a motion if there are no more questions of concern i may have a motion

01:57:06.520 --> 01:57:12.040
 to adjourn the meeting james emmerich i need a motion i need a second please i'll second

01:57:12.040 --> 01:57:19.160
 the motion miss presley miss taylor landon presley taylor has second okay meeting is

01:57:19.160 --> 01:57:23.800
 adjourned at 2 30 eddie