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 Good afternoon. It is 1233 and I would like to welcome you all to the September 14th Parks

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 Board meeting. I am Frances Punch, the chair for the Parks Board. Today we have two board

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 member excused absences. Do we have any members from the public? No ma'am, there are no members

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 of the public wishing to speak. Thank you so much for that information. The first item

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 for consideration is approval of the minutes for the August 17th meeting. Any questions/concerns?

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 I see no questions or concerns. I need a motion for approval. I have a motion from David Shook.

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 I need a second please. Second. A second from Alana Presley Taylor. Thank you so much. All

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 in favor? All members are voting. Anyone opposed? No one opposed. The minutes are approved.

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 The second item, we are going to hear from the Parks Foundation and going to look at

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 the agreement with the Parks Foundation to allow the Parks Foundation to raise funds

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 on behalf of the Parks and Recs Department. Frances, Gary Pack and Parks and Recreation.

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 Just want to kind of introduce the item. Brooke Moore obviously is here to provide you the

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 presentation in any detail. This is the third year that we have gone through this specific

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 kind of process with the Park Foundation in the agreement. A little bit different this

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 year. We typically do the presentation during budget, but with COVID our budget presentations

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 were very short and quick, so this was delayed until a little bit later in the process. We

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 do have the funding in the current budget as it's being considered, and obviously that

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 could change up into the last minute, but wanted to have the Park Foundation provide

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 an update, kind of what's going on over the past 12 months. Obviously the last six months

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 have been very challenging for everybody. And then kind of what the plan or the approach

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 is as we hopefully head into next fiscal year with more positive environment. So Brooke,

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 stage is yours and I'll go ahead and bring the presentation up.

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 Awesome, thank you.

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 If you just want to tell me when to change, we'll change it for you.

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 You got it. So thank you all so much for having me here and having me each month. It's nice

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 having the inside scoop and making sure we are aligned properly and keeping up to date

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 with one another, we'll jump right in. No worries, you're good. Fabulous, thank you.

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 So we'll just jump right in and go to the next slide and let you guys know that in August

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 2019, the Denton Parks Foundation, we did meet for a retreat and we developed a new

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 mission and vision. So that really reflected and created to ensure that the organization

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 could continue to grow and effectively serve the Denton Parks and Recreation Department

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 for decades to come. So our new mission really is to engage the Denton community to enhance

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 the mission of the Denton Parks and Recreation Department to unite, grow and play. And our

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 vision is to unite people of our parks and play through investments, advocacy, volunteers

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 and resulting in accessibility and quality life for all residents. Next slide please.

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 So how do we do this is always the next question, right? During 2019 and 2020, the Denton Parks

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 Foundation invested over $40,000 in Parks and People. We invested in the Canine Campaign.

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 That was roughly a little over $25,000. Parks and Play updates, you'll see that we helped

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 to replace a slide and spinner replacement as well as the vandalism cleanup and resurfacing

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 at Eureka 2. We were able to provide 81 scholarships and one nonprofit grant to ensure that the

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 individuals that were being served through the nonprofit had access to recreational activities

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 at the shelter for Denton County Friends of the Family. We also were able to add 11 benches

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 at the dog park and then the dog park shade structure. And we did this through a number

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 of events. Now let's all be real. We can do the math really quickly and realize that we

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 did not come out on top. Your investment of $76,500 and your return was negative $35,900.46.

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 That's a hard pill to swallow as the person who's doing the job. However, we can answer

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 the question of why was there a loss? Short answer, COVID. We had a lot of new events

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 coming up and we were really excited. Some of them did well. Like Galentine's Day, we

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 raised about $4,000. It was our first go round, but we were able to develop relationships

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 with individuals that I'm sure moving forward, we will be able to build those relationships

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 and get more donations and donors. We had to kind of change up gears this year with

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 the home hop egg drop. We had to get creative. Originally, that was going to be the adult

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 egg hunt and be able to bring in a lot more money. However, we ended up getting stuck

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 with a bunch of eggs and we just got creative on how we could spread the joy and still raise

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 some funds. And then I just wanted to give you guys an update. Splish splash doggy bash.

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 We would have had that this year. Actually, that would have probably been last Saturday.

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 However, due to COVID, we were not able to do that. And last year we made about $4,000

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 with that as well. Next slide, please. Thank you. So knowing that we didn't make our numbers

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 this year still lets us know that there's still a need. And we didn't sit quietly and

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 not do anything. In fact, we were in the process of securing an endowment to support equitable

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 access to parks and recreational services. We also have an additional $18,000 readily

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 available for scholarship funding in the coming year or whenever these services are available

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 to individuals. Denton Parks Foundation will continue its efforts to ensure children and

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 individuals have depart services no matter their ability to pay. And recognizing moving

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 forward, there's going to be even more need for this as people are starting to struggle

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 to make ends meet while still trying to maintain a healthy and quality life. Next slide, please.

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 So what did we do if we weren't able to raise funds? We spent a lot of time advocating for

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 parks. We were being a voice for parks and advocating to help make parks better for all.

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 So what did that look like? We promoted the 10-minute walk to a safe and quality park.

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 We promoted people using their outside voice for the bond election and attending input

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 meetings. We also did two parks and play campaigns, which included essentially me going to the

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 park every single day during the month of February and May and encouraging other people

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 to do so and sharing their stories and experiences. How is that advocacy, you might ask? It was

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 encouraging people to get outside again, go to their parks, but also give them really

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 creative ideas on what they can do at the park. And we got a lot of feedback on that.

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 And then finally, also providing COVID updates and tips on all things park, parks that can

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 include, you know, hey, how do you still go and have a picnic at the park? What's the

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 safest way to do that? And so we really encouraged people to find new ways to engage with parks

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 and play. Next slide. So in addition to our investments directly to the city, one of our

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 areas of impact for the Denton Parks Foundation is providing 501(c)(3) tax exempt status

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 and services to community groups as a fiscal sponsor and partner. These relationships and

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 partners result in associations and committees being able to make park and public space projects

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 happen in Denton. So what does that look like? Juneteenth celebration. It exists to promote,

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 educate and celebrate the history of Juneteenth as well as build community unity. And they

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 do that using our fiscal sponsorship and our nonprofit status to be able to get grant funding

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 and sponsorships and in-kind donations. Similarly, Cinco de Mayo festival does the same thing

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 and provides a spirit of celebration and friendship and sharing, showcasing rich traditions, entertainment,

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 art exhibits and food for Hispanic culture in a free family event. And then two other

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 areas that we continue to support and have done so for a while include the Senior Center

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 Advisory Council, which is a group of seniors dedicated to helping make the senior center

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 even better. And then the Denton Area Tennis Association, who has a mission to promote the

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 game of tennis in the city of Denton. So this is really an indirect way in which we are

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 advocating for more people to have access to park and play through different associations

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 that don't force them to have to also have a board of directors and compete for money

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 instead we are supporting one another. Next slide, please. And then our final area of

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 impact really is our volunteerism. And we're trying to engage people to get out into the

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 parks, play, but also try to make a difference. During COVID, it was a little more difficult

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 to get people out there. And so we just kind of kept with the weekly 10 on Tuesday, and

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 we continue to promote 10 on Tuesday and encouraging people to go out there. We also did dig in

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 coordinate volunteering opportunities at the parks. There's our own Tim Smith there mulching

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 up a tree. And we hope to continue to do that in the coming year working alongside some

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 of Gary's new staff additions. Next slide, please. So really our top three areas are

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 investing our resources clearly misspelled into depart to win the NRP a and traps gold

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 medals. Originally, we had a goal of doing that by 2025. And right now I'm holding off

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 on putting a number to that because y'all this is just wild times, but it still remains

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 that our vision and our goals are going to be the same. We're still going to advocate

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 100% accessibility to equitable depart parks and facilities and provide access to all individuals

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 who qualify for recreational scholarships. Ideally, we would like to be able to provide

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 that we can only do that if we are able to continue to fundraise for the dental parks

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 foundation. Next slide, please. Moving forward, here are some of the ideas that we hope as

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 We hope to be able to still provide splish splash doggy bash next year, the adult egg

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 scramble in 2021, a park play library looking at funding that through grant support return

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 to recess and opportunity to engage people, adults specifically to have fun and remind

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 people why it's important to be outside. And then of course, the canine campaign and

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 Galentine's and finally a new one. Parks are art and really developing a designated donor

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 fund for art in the parks. It's going to be starting with the women's interracial fellowship

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 project. Next slide, please. So truly we believe that when a community unites, parks get better

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 and we can only do that when we are united with the city. Together we can work to meet

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 the needs and expectations of our community and filling in that gap where it exists to

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 create a quality life for all dent residents. And that's all I got for you, Gary. The thank

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 you is one of those weird fonts that it just didn't transfer very well, but thank you.

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 We've enjoyed the past year. We truly are hoping to look forward to another year ahead

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 as partners with you all. And I'm moving in for any questions.

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 I have a couple of questions. You mentioned going out being an advocate for the parks

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 and rec department. Can you share with us some parks that you visited?

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 Absolutely. And so I recently went to Mack Park. I went to both of the parks there, divided

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 in half by McKinney Street and posted a video specifically about that experience. Carl Young,

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 Avondale and Nettie Schultz because they are right next to my house and that's the easiest

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 one to go to. So it's been an adventure to try to go out and see other parks. I actually

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 just recently, what's the one off of? It's over by Mack. Gary, do you know what I'm talking

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 Yes. I just recently visited that one and thoroughly enjoyed it. And we'll definitely

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 be going back to it. I like to take my daughter and just check out different locations.

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 Thank you for that information. Also, the second question is we had a conversation shortly

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 or had a couple of statements about the need for additional diversity. But you did mention

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 a couple when you in your presentation, can you elaborate on what other ways that you're

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 Absolutely. So right now, our major focus is if we are going to be a diverse organization,

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 we have to start with ourselves. And so I reached out to our board and was very honest

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 with them, Frances, and said, if you looked at our Facebook, we are a very white organization,

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 100%. If I looked at it, I would assume it was that way as well. And largely because

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 that is who follows us. But also for people to see themselves in what we do, we need to

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 look like everybody. So it starts with us by including and making sure that our board

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 is more diverse. Right now we are looking at we actually have ethnically and racially,

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 we have a variety of members on our board. The thing that we don't have is their location.

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 I recently kind of just did an evaluation of our board traits and looked to see what

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 districts that they all live in. We do not have equal representation across all districts.

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 And so that was very eye opening to our president and our exec team. And so we're looking at

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 recruiting individuals that will make sure cover all spectrums there. And then kind of

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 going back to what you were saying, making sure our marketing and things along those

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 lines reflect not just white women faces. Thank you, Ruth. Thank you for being so candid.

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 with what Francis was just asking about. I was kind of wondering like how you choose

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 your board members and like what the criteria is for them to be on the board. And then also

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 do you have any youth advocates that work with your board to tell you what they want?

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 them what they like or don't like, take it back to the board and tell them, hey, I met

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 two kids at Mellon Park and let me tell you their thoughts. And so truly, that's how they

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 get that information. But I love that idea. And our board of directors, we have a governance

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 committee that looks at recruiting. And so that's truly where it starts. And the governance

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 committee is looking at the skills that we have, the gaps of the skills that we have,

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 race, gender, all those different identities to make sure that when we're recruiting, we're

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 recruiting in the right areas, but also that passion point, right? And so we're also looking

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 for people who have volunteered with us or have shown somehow that they're interested

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 in the parks. And then we're going to reach out to them. It's as opposed to a blanket

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 recruitment. It's kind of individually recruiting and making sure that because it costs money,

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 right, to manage them, make sure it's a good investment of our time. And we do have expectations.

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 And so all board members receive those expectations prior to joining, including making sure that

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 they don't have a conflict of interest and understanding kind of the time commitment

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 of their time, treasure, and talent.

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 Are there any income restrictions with being on the board? Do they have to make like minimum

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 There is a minimum donation, and it's just you have to donate. And that truly, you're

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 going to see that across any nonprofit board. And I'll say from working in the nonprofit

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 sector for over 10 years, it's an expectation. Because if you're going to ask other people

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 to donate, you better put your mouth where your wallet is, as well as when applying for

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 grants, it's an important notice. So we don't say that you have to give a large dollar amount,

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 but a dollar amount that is a big deal to you, right? A true investment.

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 edits and one was simply getting rid of an extra space and one was updating the date

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 for this year. Were there any other changes to the agreement versus last year that I might

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 you can see what the changes we made. So it's easier for you guys to go through it each

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 And thank you for that, by the way.

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 that the Brook and the Park Foundation has been working on and trying to build off of.

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 we look forward to getting those ramped back up. But yeah, no major changes whatsoever.

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 Okay. And Brooke, I'd like you to just prevent COVID next year, please. Thank you.

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 You know, like, I got to be honest with y'all. This year, I did say it came out of my mouth.

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 I will never homeschool. And let me tell you, you should never say never, and I should know

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 Clearly. So Gary, do you need a vote for us for her for the Parks Foundation to continue

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 get a lot of great input from them. I mean, that's, you know, I like to think I think

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 like a kid, but the kids, they can think better than a kid than I can. Okay. That's all I

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 Yes, just to add to James comment, we do have a teen advisory council that works through

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 the Civic Center. So we definitely could hook them up with with Brooke. Now they're they're

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 more teens and high school kids. They might be another demographic of trying to get some

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 And I will say we did talk about doing a group and I think I presented this to you all of

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 my buddies, or I think we landed on another named Parksters of engaging kids out at the

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 park each weekend and then COVID hit. So, you know, hopefully when we're back out at

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 the park playing face to face, that would be a good group to engage and then engage

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 them in an advisory kind of way. I love that idea. Thank you all.

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 from them. See if they're interested in moving forward. And if they are, then we would go

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 to Council at the first meeting in October with ratification of the agreement. And then

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 that would be executed for fiscal year 2021. So to be clear, we're not voting on the agreement

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 itself. It's just basically whether or not we want to move forward it. Well, yes, it

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 sure. Thank you. Sure. I have to get it from another computer. So hang on one second.

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 about the agreement other than the ones that David brought up? Gary may be a meat point.

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 You may not. Okay. Okay. So may I have a motion for the parks foundation to raise funds on

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 behalf of the Parks and Recreation Department and for the Parks and Recreation Department

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 to move forward to City Council? All motion. Motion. Alana Taylor, second. All second.

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 James Emmerich, all in favor? Anyone opposed? The ayes have it. Eddie, did you get that

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 vote? Oh, I forgot we're video. Okay, next item. Let's see. We're going to give staff

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 here we go. So I think it was two months ago. Can everybody see the presentation? No, no.

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 technology. Is it the same stuff we have in the packet? That's the trails one. That specific

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 file doesn't want to open. I think I got it to work now. Okay, there it is. As soon as

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 IT walks in the room, it works. They're magic. Okay, so two months ago, park board had added

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 month and we're going to do it under closed session because there are some sensitive properties

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 definitely wanted to follow back up with park board as well and get some feedback. We did

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 walk capabilities, looking at railroad or utility land ownership that an easements or property

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 that may be underutilized that we could use that's already in city inventory, working

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 do that. Educational providers, DISD or local colleges, and we are having ongoing discussions

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 with a couple of them as well. HOAs, we really haven't worked much in that area at this point

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 in time. Underutilized city property, DME, or even more specifically our utilities department

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 and purchase. So those ultimate goals, we're in the kind of the last stages of working

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 trails master plan. While we're working on that, we did take a pause when Glenn left,

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 that project. That's the really next step, but we weren't waiting for the master plan

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 development activity in the community we didn't want to miss out because really the best time

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 it. Whether it's park board or city council or just residents would reach out to us and

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 say, Hey, there's, there's a property in my neighborhood. I think it's a really a good

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 piece of property. Can you guys take a look at purchasing it? And we were getting that

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 it's free, if that's an opportunity to connect to other assets next to a school next to another

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 that they're a little more sensitive. But we go through, we created an evaluation score

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 for each parcel and there's about 15 or so questions and there's a scoring process that

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 you can have, whether it's one to five or one to 10, whatever that medium is. And it's

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 not, it's not rocket science. Can it be improved? Absolutely. But we didn't have anything. So

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 we thought this was the best direction. And then we looked at things from prioritization

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 from A, B, and C, if it was in the top one third percentile of the properties. Then we

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 we ranked them in the top 10 or by category. And that's what these green cells are. The

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 of that tree canopy or acreage of that parcel is covered with, with trees and realistically

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 what kind of trees they are too is also evaluated. Then just kind of a staff input. If we felt

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 it was a high priority based on everything that's going on in the organization, we added

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 council districts this year so we could see how that spread out across the city. And then

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 whether it's a natural area or preserve, if we have 9, 15, 16 money, which is our land

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 acquisition. And realistically, if it was a quick win, something that we could accomplish

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 each one of these things in the top ones, we reshuffle them on the top 10 or so, and

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 and that's how we got to the top priority of 8, 7, 6 all the way down the line. So that's

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 how we would go through that process and adjust our scores. From a city, city park master

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 plan process, the parks in yellow, so this is North Lakes, this is Denia, and this is

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 that's a city park as well. And then we have some planned parks, which are this is the

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 area that's planned on the north side in the future, just to kind of give us a little bit

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 on the agreement since last November. That's been delayed. And we're anxiously awaiting

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 that so we can take it to city council and get that approved. But they are basically

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 Off of that one, Gary, can I ask a question? Sure. So that entryway that in the top picture,

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 the very bottom of your photo, I seem to remember that there were going to be like some sort

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 a quick drop off there. There is going to be some interpretive signage in the park.

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 thing that they they cut out. They are they were intended and required to give a roughly

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 about $300,000 through our ordinance. They've put in a little over a million dollars as

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 of right now. I haven't seen the final numbers, but they're well past the required amount

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 for the park development. Okay. Well, it's a shame. That was kind of a neat feature,

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 the on the east side. There's roughly five miles of trails that are proposed in this

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 property and about 80 acres that would be dedicated to parkland. There's quite a bit

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 of treed area that is in the floodplain. There would be trails in the floodplain that we'd

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 have to work through, you know, various flooding when we do get a lot of rain. But this property

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 would also connect to Mack Park on the north side and then it would be part of the Pecan

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 Creek linear trail going east to west within the within the property itself. And that gives

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 all the trees. Endeavor Energy. So Lake Forest Park, the property immediately south of Lake

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 on the private property. To my knowledge, there has never been any any issues with the

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 energy company of people utilizing those trails. But it's very thick forest and a great place

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 this earlier this summer that was in a dead tree. So that was kind of an interesting we

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 last year and they were concerned about if they did sell it that the gas well potentially

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 would be impacted. So we are reaching out to them again to see if a lease would be an

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 option. So that way we would have you know kind of everything in order in regards to

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 public access and then with an option to purchase if they ever did decide to to sell the property

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 we would be first in line. Forest Ardenia. This is something that we've been working

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 working through their approval process with with city council and development services.

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 But our role was to really identify how we could utilize this property to benefit our

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 park system and if there were other opportunities to try to acquire some additional tree areas.

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 plain. So as as of right now they have proposed about 51 acres being dedicated to the city

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 that would be this tree area in the the flood plain. We have tentatively planned a trail

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 that would connect over to the school and to Dena and then we've also looked at putting

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 a trail possibly through the southern side of the elementary school that could connect

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 the neighborhood straight into Dena and right onto the trail. So we're having discussions

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 with the ISD about that as well. Any question? Yes sir. Yeah Gary, is that 50 year what big

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 500 year floodplain what kind of what size floodplain? It's a 100 year floodplain. Yeah

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 100. 100 okay. Thanks for my question. You're welcome. So this would be donated this is

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 something we would have to purchase well above what they're required to. I think they're

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 requirement was around five acres so it's about 45 46 acres above what they're required

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 to do. Excuse me Gary can you explain the difference between a 100 euro and a 50 euro

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 where that 500 year floodplain is. I'd have to go back and provide the board a follow

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 up in regards to where that area is. Gary, FEMA doesn't normally dedicate exactly where

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 the 500 year floodplain is and they only designate up to a 100 year floodplain and then they

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 don't designate out of that but depending on the rain intensity that we get it's normally

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 looked at a five year, 10 year, 25, 50 and 100 year. Okay there you go. What does that

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 five years, every 10 years, every 25 years and so on and so forth. 25 year event. Yeah

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 technically use the the old roadbed for future trail. So this is roughly 34 acres of open

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00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:54,560
 space this is a new development that's that's going through the approval process for construction

404
00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:00,800
 and our idea for this would be either we could reforest it it could be a combination of restoration

405
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:07,840
 of a prairie or or wildflowers or a combination of all the above but it's definitely a place

406
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,400
 where we could have some natural trails through here as well for people to enjoy while they're

407
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:19,200
 walking on the linear park and this is being this is being donated as well. What where's

408
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:26,080
 the railroad? I can't I don't see the railroad. So the railroad is right here. Here let me

409
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:32,200
 go that's not going to help. So the railroad is on the eastern edge Hickory Creek is down

410
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,560
 on the southern side and then it meanders up here and it joins in the Country Club right

411
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:41,680
 here. Okay. Actually this section the Country Club is going to be moved south and it's going

412
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:52,640
 to turn into Brush Creek as it goes further west and tie into 35. Okay. Thank you. I mentioned

413
00:42:52,640 --> 00:43:00,280
 earlier with Canopy Trails the Pecan Creek Trail and and I can share a spreadsheet with

414
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,960
 you as well. We have a few areas that our trail system that will talk to you when we

415
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,960
 get to that point in that presentation with Dr. Walker but the Pecan Creek Trail basically

416
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:17,160
 follows Pecan Creek from downtown or the DCTA Trail through Fred Moore through some city

417
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:22,400
 property into Carl Young and then through the county property here and then this is

418
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:29,360
 where MKOC is located on Woodrow. So we're working on getting an agreement with the Denton

419
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:34,400
 County so we could put a trail through their property. There's already a kind of a cattle

420
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,920
 path through there right now where you see people walk if you drive by it that would

421
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,480
 roughly be where we'd want to put the concrete. There's an existing utility easement that

422
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:52,840
 goes through that area of the property already. Sage Brook. So just to give you some orientation

423
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:58,560
 Bonnie Bray is over here on the right side of your screen. Here's the railroad. This

424
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:03,680
 is the future Brush Creek that we just mentioned. Hickory Creek would be over here to the east

425
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:09,640
 of 377 and Southwest Park is on the north side immediately right here where you could

426
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,720
 see the trees. This has been going through the development process as well. This was

427
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:22,120
 recently annexed into the city. They're proposing to put a trail down the median of this kind

428
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,560
 of boulevard just a little bit of a different type of trail for the park system connecting

429
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:33,320
 the entire neighborhood to Southwest Park as well as there's about 15 acres of open

430
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:39,400
 space down here in the I guess the southwest corner of the property that we would keep

431
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:48,160
 open for open space or for future trees as well. That's that's being provided dedicated

432
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:54,200
 to the city through our 915-16 ordinance as well. Gary can I ask you a quick question

433
00:44:54,200 --> 00:45:01,080
 about the Pecan Creek and that trail is there do you expect that there will be any lighting

434
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:09,440
 along that trail? It's very well covered. So we are actually we just got a CDBG grant

435
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:15,880
 for lighting at Carl Young. We had a resident request for more lighting at that park. That

436
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,320
 trail kind of follows the western and the southern edge of the park so it's a little

437
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:26,240
 dark out there. So we're going to be putting those lights in next year. Eventually there

438
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:32,140
 could be lights in select areas. We may not look at the entire trail itself but definitely

439
00:45:32,140 --> 00:45:36,720
 where we have some some dark spots we definitely would want to look at that as we go through

440
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:47,840
 the planning process. Okay thank you. So in summary so this is two really two categories

441
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:52,600
 our ordinance and our donation category over here are properties that are going to be dedicated

442
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:59,560
 to the city or just an outright donation down the road. Now obviously these aren't all 100%

443
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,600
 sure going to happen they could fall apart but these are the projects are working on

444
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,920
 so the ones that I'd say not public knowledge we just didn't want to release the name and

445
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,640
 location of that property. It's something that we're still working on but you can see

446
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:20,680
 as a whole through ordinance in the donation process we have about 740 acres that we're

447
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,000
 working on. Some of these have already been checkboxed so Cole and Hunter Ranch are already

448
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:30,920
 dedicated by ordinance and just for future planning it'll be done you know as that development

449
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:36,640
 moves forward. Carnegie Ridge property which has been completed and then the conservation

450
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:42,920
 easement on Pilot Knob we're in the process of getting that all approved and and dedicated

451
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:48,260
 as an official conservation easement over off of 35. Then some land that we're looking

452
00:46:48,260 --> 00:46:54,400
 at purchasing or leasing a couple of these obviously we haven't divulged yet to the general

453
00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:01,580
 public. In 2017 the city was looking at some property over off of Audra we had three parcels

454
00:47:01,580 --> 00:47:06,640
 that we've been looking at one is a DME parcel we're having discussions with finance and

455
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,600
 DME to see if they could actually lease that to us in regards to how it purchased how it

456
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,760
 was purchased with bond money it may have specific attachments to it where we cannot

457
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:23,360
 do that. And then we've also negotiated two properties with the city utilities ourselves

458
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:29,320
 that would be Hartley Field which is a underutilized wastewater property and then Pecan Creek there's

459
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,520
 some extra property on the I guess would be the north and east side of Pecan Creek of

460
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:40,000
 about 233 acres that we could put our trail through. So we've been working on those over

461
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,760
 the past year so that's you know 430 acres of parkland in those two itself and then we

462
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:51,280
 purchased the Mills property. So that's another 13 acres so that's 2000 acres of land that

463
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:57,120
 we're working on in various capacities right now and we have that five million dollars

464
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:02,240
 that hasn't even been provided to us yet from the 2019 bond program as well. So we're trying

465
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:07,760
 to get those parcels lined up and in the queue so when that money is provided to the department

466
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:17,360
 we'll be ready to go. Just some some quick here this is the Cole and Hunter Ranch properties

467
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:25,120
 that were approved. The conservation easement are the is the blue areas here in regards

468
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:33,440
 to what we what will be preserved based on the requirements of the DDC. This is the water

469
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:39,000
 property water utilities property off of Hartley Field. Hartley Field is down here on the bottom

470
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,880
 of the screen. Oh sorry. Clear Creek is off here to your right off to the right side of

471
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,080
 the screen. They are going to use some of this property for a future lift station so

472
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,760
 there's about 30 acres that that's set aside there but this area in purple we're actually

473
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:59,880
 working with some local bikers and actually Dr. Walker and UNT to lay out a future mountain

474
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:06,060
 bike trail that we'd like to build out there with a community build at some point in time.

475
00:49:06,060 --> 00:49:11,240
 And then this property in this in this yellow amoeba here is the property that we've leased

476
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:16,640
 on the north side north and east side of Pecan Creek for that future linear trail that would

477
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:25,220
 take us over to the lake. And then the Mills property which you're familiar with and Carnegie

478
00:49:25,220 --> 00:49:36,120
 Ridge and that's it. So that's that's a quick synopsis of everything in regards to what's

479
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:44,280
 going on in from a land acquisition standpoint. Welcome to entertain any questions comments

480
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,960
 thoughts that you may have if there's another direction that you feel we need to head definitely

481
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:54,080
 open to that if there's some properties that you would like us to look at we could definitely

482
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:59,000
 go out and check them out and then put them through our evaluation process and then recalculate

483
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,880
 everything to see where that would fit on our priorities. Just because it scores low

484
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,880
 doesn't mean it might not be a property that we're not going to look at either. So there's

485
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,560
 a lot of variables that we look at when we're trying to figure out if it's a good fit for

486
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,520
 the park system. But if you can see the areas that aren't blue on this map that's our 10

487
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:23,440
 minute walk so those are the areas that we are trying to keep a higher priority in regards

488
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:29,300
 to finding future park space especially where there's a dense area of our community.

489
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:43,240
 Gary can you take this down for a minute for questions. Yes ma'am. Questions concerns

490
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:50,600
 comments I have a question. So I noticed that you're putting trails in in all these different

491
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:56,800
 areas and they're spread out well. Is there a plan to connect all those trails? Great

492
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:02,260
 question and you're setting up the the tee for us for the golf ball for our next presentation

493
00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:08,080
 on our trails which we'll we can go through that in more detail but we are looking at

494
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:14,440
 where those trails are and if there's opportunities to add property adjacent to the trails because

495
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:19,440
 some of the trails may go through someone's private property right now. It's a long term

496
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:25,680
 plan that we may look at what is that an opportunity for us to purchase it it's in the floodplain

497
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:31,200
 they can't develop it anyways that's a good opportunity for us to come in and get an easement

498
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:38,680
 or purchase it and allows us to plan that going down the next 40 years. So that's definitely

499
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,400
 laid out in the trails plan which we'll get in a little more detail here in a few minutes.

500
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:50,360
 Okay well then I'll save my other questions for then. Any other concerns questions about

501
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:59,280
 potential land acquisition? I have a quick question if um you know we we I think we've

502
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:06,200
 talked about Quaker Park is is uh you know I mean it's it's a it's nice sized property

503
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:12,120
 in the middle of everything and so it's good for uh you know jazz festivals and blue festivals

504
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:19,280
 and you know all sorts of fun music things right but if you were to pick an area that

505
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:24,520
 it's not big enough okay in my opinion I think we need something about 50 to 100 acres with

506
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:32,400
 parking that could you know suit the the city's needs in the in the future because it's just

507
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:38,480
 too small but a Quaker Park is just too small um and we're not going to get a Zilker park

508
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:46,480
 that awesome but if you know 50 to 100 acres might be a a realistic view or shot where

509
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,600
 would you where would you plan to do that where would you if you were to build a park

510
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:55,720
 that was big it was 50 to 100 acres for you know like musical festivals and things like

511
00:52:55,720 --> 00:53:01,520
 that uh where would you put it? That's that's a great question it would have been a good

512
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:06,800
 question maybe 50 years ago uh before a lot of things got built but um you know if you

513
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:12,760
 just look at Quaker town there's you know there's a lot of asphalt in Quaker town um

514
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,880
 if if the city ever has an opportunity to put up parking garages and we move in that

515
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:22,800
 direction and we could turn that asphalt into green space um that would allow us to kind

516
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:28,880
 of build the park from within um you know whether we need to uh rebuild the senior center

517
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:35,080
 it's been a discussion in our public meetings for um for that future that facility it it

518
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:40,160
 most likely probably wouldn't be in in Quaker town um so there's an opportunity to kind

519
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:45,120
 of bring green space back there as well um so I guess that's an opportunity for us to

520
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:51,960
 look at long term is could we use the land that we have now better um and keep it because

521
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:57,440
 it's such a core piece of property for the downtown you know it will never be able to

522
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:03,720
 buy that much land at an affordable price uh so that probably would be the easiest thing

523
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:09,520
 to do and then try to take some of those properties maybe even the the parking lot on the south

524
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,640
 side of McKinney and put a parking garage there and and that would help alleviate some

525
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:19,640
 of that that asphalt from the park and bring that green space back um but we we have tried

526
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:24,640
 to figure out you know where 50 years from now where we would ask that same question

527
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:29,960
 and you know the hills of Denton if we could get 50 plus acres up there for a future park

528
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,160
 absolutely you know hunter coal ranch has been on our radar for the past two years as

529
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:39,880
 well and and we've kind of put that bingo chip down on that location and then southwest

530
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:46,120
 park is a 190 plus acre parcel that we're working through right now uh that will be

531
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,200
 a future park and and what that is we don't know yet you know the community has to step

532
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:55,600
 up and and give us that feedback so we can move in the direction that they want um so

533
00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:01,680
 we have a lot of opportunities um still moving forward as the community grows uh you know

534
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:08,360
 over the next 20-30 years to get those large parcels of property in place how about North

535
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:13,680
 Lake just to carry the follow-up question sorry North Lake same thing same thing with

536
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,640
 North Lakes uh you know we do have some of that is floodplain as well so we we're a little

537
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:22,440
 restricted on some of those parcels um but looking to see if there's some property around

538
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:28,800
 there that we could expand and preserve that open space there as well okay thanks you're

539
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:37,920
 welcome so i was just thinking about just kind of pop-up parks and that kind of concept

540
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:43,680
 similar to industrial do you have anything in mind just looking through the neighborhoods

541
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:49,780
 as specifically those that aren't within a 10-minute walk of maybe purchasing blight

542
00:55:49,780 --> 00:55:55,880
 neighborhood homes or things along those lines and making a mini pop-up park one of our

543
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:00,520
 favorites is the cherry orchard i know it's not within this system um that would be like

544
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:06,920
 a dream come true if ever switched over um but is there is there anything along those

545
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:11,440
 lines that i mean you guys are looking at utilizing smaller spaces yeah so we do have

546
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:17,360
 a trail um going by that that chair orchard or cherry orchard um so that does connect

547
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:23,240
 to that um but yes so there are some parts like for instance the skate park the the the

548
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:28,200
 kids and the adults that are frequent skaters want to park downtown so we're trying to figure

549
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:33,400
 out where we where would be best to put a skate park that's not going to be a nuisance

550
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:38,360
 to people living there from lights and from noise uh but convenient for the kids because

551
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,740
 they wanted to be able to ride the train to get there and have kids come from other communities

552
00:56:42,740 --> 00:56:48,720
 and meet them so there was easy transportation so we've been looking for areas around the

553
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:53,480
 train stations to see if we can't get some property there and it might entail have to

554
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:59,680
 buy a lot or two uh if we don't have that property available um i'll let you know so

555
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,720
 i don't know if you're familiar with the big idea but it's a space where you go and you

556
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:10,000
 share a cool idea that would make help better and i'm presenting this thursday and the idea

557
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:17,440
 is having a graffiti park um because we're so artistic that like it just seems fitting

558
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,320
 um and so looking at that i was curious if you guys had a specific location that you

559
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:27,260
 thought would be cool and if not like i'm just literally driving around town trying

560
00:57:27,260 --> 00:57:33,120
 to find a spot but i know drew had mentioned thinking on those concepts before if you guys

561
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:39,880
 had something in mind we are talking to the the public art committee about something like

562
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:53,160
 that in the future so there'll be more to come any additional questions comments concerns

563
00:57:53,160 --> 00:58:01,040
 so this is not an action item we were just if we were giving this information for um

564
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:08,000
 to give them feedback if needed yeah and again if you have any properties that you happen

565
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,480
 to be driving around and saying hey that might be a great location for a park please let

566
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:18,360
 us know and we'll uh do some additional research research on it all right elana i have one

567
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:25,760
 quick question um are you still planning on acquiring the property that's near unt as

568
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:33,320
 like a veterans memorial park veterans park um so yeah great question uh we had done some

569
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:38,160
 design work we shared that with you as well and council um and then unt i think was taking

570
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,360
 a step back looking at what they may want to do from that as a holistic approach whether

571
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:50,860
 it was better served for open space or redevelopment uh so that was pre-covid uh and truthfully

572
00:58:50,860 --> 00:58:55,160
 it was totally off my radar so i'll circle back around and see that was being worked

573
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,640
 through through the city manager's office and i'll reach out to him and and see if there's

574
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:06,200
 a status on that we do have and it's not really on our list but we do have an area in mind

575
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,480
 coming up and hopefully we get to present it to you within the next few months because

576
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:17,840
 the development is moving pretty quickly right now but for a another veterans park so that

577
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:25,600
 does have a lot of ties with the veteran community here and didn't and kind of the history so

578
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:32,840
 mr walker did you have your hand up is there any information on the rodeo site the north

579
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:40,360
 texas we um i think real estate had reached out to them uh knowing that they had purchased

580
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:47,240
 other property and plan on moving uh and it was pretty expensive at the time so that made

581
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:52,620
 it kind of a little bit cooler for us uh but we definitely have it on our radar as an option

582
00:59:52,620 --> 01:00:04,960
 okay i do sorry that would be amazing i am curious also what about um calhoun middle

583
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:10,480
 school as they move over to denton high they have like that one field that they use there

584
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:15,120
 in that neighborhood yeah that is actually an area that we need in a neighborhood park

585
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,800
 so there's a an open space a field with a track and a couple tennis courts behind the

586
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:25,120
 school too that could be used for recreational purposes so that's that's also on our tickler

587
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:34,040
 as well awesome and that one has a built-in parking lot which is nice too yes yep okay

588
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:39,200
 are we ready to move to the next item yes ma'am all right uh let's talk about the trails

589
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:49,920
 concept map okay so dr walker um i know you get you have met dr walker before he's presented

590
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:55,160
 with us we've been working on this with with dr walker for the better part of probably

591
01:00:55,160 --> 01:01:02,380
 two years a year and a half um and we're at a point now where we're ready to start having

592
01:01:02,380 --> 01:01:09,320
 some discussions uh with the general public and the park board and city council dr walker

593
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,360
 i'll turn it over to you and let you walk through i'll jump in as needed and just tell

594
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:20,440
 me when you'd like me to change the slide okay uh this is the where i believe we're

595
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:28,920
 at a stopping point um i hope for this project uh i've identified uh done a full assessment

596
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,760
 of the existing trail system identified what would be needed and then identified general

597
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:38,040
 corridors of where we think trails would go initially for the next really again this is

598
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:43,640
 a 10 to 20 year plan and along the way there's always an opportunity to change this if let's

599
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:49,120
 say land comes available we would shift some directions just to respond to that opportunity

600
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:55,960
 so uh just in this this opening slide is just a reminder that trails past the actual park

601
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,560
 land trails remain the number one requested resource um so it stays high on the list this

602
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:07,160
 chapter or the sorry this component of the master plan was a originally a subsection

603
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:12,380
 of one chapter and has basically grown into its own chapter due to the scope and uh outreach

604
01:02:12,380 --> 01:02:18,200
 as well as the importance to the entire park system itself from there so um what this will

605
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,920
 go through is a brief review of the current system what's what the assets are where they're

606
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:28,760
 located um some estimations on maintenance cost and then where we've projected the opportunities

607
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:35,280
 to grow that also add to connectivity um so they contribute to the mobility plan so just

608
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:43,600
 as a key thing to point out on this is this is not the mobility plan i look at park trails

609
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:50,560
 the same way i would look at a baseball field it's an internal city park asset however anywhere

610
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:56,620
 we can we try to make the trail system function as part of the mobility system to enhance

611
01:02:56,620 --> 01:03:01,080
 the overall connectivity of the city but it is not the city's connectivity or mobility

612
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:06,360
 plan it would be a portion of that and so a big recommendation is that from this chapter

613
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:12,160
 you've got to go to full engineering documents a full land assessment land bank acquisition

614
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:17,600
 and then go into individual trail plans past there and this would be worked on with the

615
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:21,480
 transportation department to then complete and enhance the overall mobility plan so a

616
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:26,420
 lot of cities actually will merge this content and their transportation data to create a

617
01:03:26,420 --> 01:03:32,960
 pathways plan which would be a comprehensive scope so um all right we can go on from there

618
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:39,400
 so gary is this the most updated map yeah uh no it isn't we'll go online and show the

619
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:44,760
 real one here okay so just real quick and looking at the map uh what we'll see in the

620
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:51,200
 updated version is where uh each of the blue lines is what we indicate of where future

621
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:56,640
 trails are going to go and then where some current court corridors are pre-existing such

622
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,880
 as the katie trail that's there um portions of the northern section of the cooper creek

623
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:05,560
 trail are already in place and so we'll identify that and then a variety of parks have internal

624
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:10,320
 loop trails so they're just inside the parkland as its own individual feature and then as

625
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:14,800
 you can kind of see we've tried to make it imperative to get a trail system almost looping

626
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:19,760
 the entire city to create a comprehensive connectivity plan across and then spoke wheels

627
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:24,520
 back and across through so every neighborhood will have a chance to get to a portion of

628
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:29,560
 the trail that would then take you almost over 100 miles in any one given direction

629
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,620
 if you looped it that way and kind of went in and out of all the systems the blue dots

630
01:04:33,620 --> 01:04:37,680
 that you see the light blue dots are all the areas that we've identified as needs to work

631
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:42,880
 with uh tex dot in crossings of major roads and major infrastructure uh they're high points

632
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,640
 to make the system actually work so you can have assets on one part of town but the roads

633
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:52,640
 almost function almost as dangerous if not worse than having a lake to get across so

634
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,680
 it's really important to make sure that tex dot is aware of this because as tex dot starts

635
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:02,520
 to approach um future upgrades such as the 288 loop uh we want to make sure that they're

636
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:08,520
 doing everything they can on their side per our request as a city of denton to maximize

637
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:12,880
 the usability and safety of those crossings that would be either on top or underneath

638
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:17,760
 those bridges and again tex dot has become incredibly responsive to this to help make

639
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,680
 this uh facilitate the growth of the rail system and the connectivity so uh current

640
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:29,080
 on the left we can see current internal park trails 20 almost 22 miles 21.31 miles is there

641
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:34,480
 and we know with all the park plans that are in place and the proposed developments that

642
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:40,960
 will expand to 31 point uh an additional 31 miles of internal park trails one of the examples

643
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:45,160
 of those would be what's out at mckenna park coming as that park ends up in its own internal

644
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:50,800
 loop creek and linear trails such as the katie trail as a linear trail and the cooper creek

645
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:56,320
 trail and its multiple sections that link up now 20 miles of current creek and linear

646
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:02,320
 trails and the hope is to expand that by another 17 miles of trails from there and again those

647
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:08,840
 are very very highly selected corridors to create more connectivity across the city streets

648
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:13,720
 and pathways connectors and paddling trails none of those currently exist in the system

649
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:19,680
 and the idea will be to increase enhance those the streets and side paths is basically a

650
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:25,000
 really nice gift from transportation as they upgrade the major roads uh transportation

651
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:31,000
 now puts an offset pathway as part of the mobility corridor that the city sorry the

652
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:35,280
 parks department will take over and provide all the maintenance for and to be able to

653
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:41,280
 count that in the trail system a majority of that future side street pathways will come

654
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,440
 from the hunter coal development and then a lot of things the city already has a plan

655
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:52,200
 with hickory creek road ryan road mingo road and as you'll probably seen mayhill as a great

656
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,440
 example of how they're going to build those and the quality that they'll build and then

657
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,560
 the paddling trails will be ones that will be on the water the connectors again are like

658
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:03,600
 these blue dots they're primary connectors that we've recognized it needs to be done

659
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:08,560
 the connectors add up to about 10 miles of segments themselves and will probably be the

660
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:13,360
 more expensive parts of the construction process due to the fact that the engineering required

661
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:21,640
 to work with text dot in getting through key port portions of the city system so when finished

662
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,880
 we'll have hang on we'll have that connectivity to additional 18 parks gary kind of showed

663
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:30,080
 that in some of the plans that he had for pecan creek of how uh pecan creek would then

664
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:36,540
 connect a variety of different parks along the way and a total of 210 new trail across

665
01:07:36,540 --> 01:07:41,360
 this entire list with paddling trails the internal park trails and linear trails uh

666
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:47,400
 the cost will be estimated right now at about 60 million dollars um and if built out you're

667
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:53,080
 looking at additional 550 000 a year to maintain so drew's budget or represent drew's position

668
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:58,040
 would need that to provide the services to the trails to keep the edges mode um edged

669
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:01,720
 out for grass and then pruning and stuff that's needed on all these properties because if

670
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:06,880
 they're not kept up well they won't be used and that's a common thing so as it's built

671
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,680
 you also need to recognize you're going to need to find funding to maintain them going

672
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:17,880
 forward all right uh this is the list of the existing trails i'll just kind of let you

673
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:23,080
 look through it for a minute hopefully you're familiar with most of them i've had a nice

674
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:28,680
 time over the last uh year and a half of going out with my kids to all of these trails and

675
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:36,440
 walking them multiple times if not riding them regularly any questions on these just

676
01:08:36,440 --> 01:08:40,760
 to just to provide some some feedback too i'm not sure how much detail we could get

677
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:47,480
 into in the past meetings but clear creek center is is now in the park system so we

678
01:08:47,480 --> 01:08:54,680
 added you know 3 000 acres to the the city's park inventory so that's an area that drew's

679
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,880
 maintaining in cooperation with texas parks and wildlife in the united states army corps

680
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:04,880
 of engineers as well so that's new areas that will be using a lot of volunteer work to help

681
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:11,560
 maintain and and to maintain and repair and build trails as we decide to to evolve in

682
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:12,800
 that area specifically

683
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:24,240
 okay right can we get this online yes i'll send you the spreadsheet and i'll share the

684
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:32,440
 spreadsheet afterwards uh and how we got to all these details okay that'd be great one

685
01:09:32,440 --> 01:09:39,120
 of the current concerns that was brought up in uh many of the meetings that we have hosted

686
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:43,000
 uh gary hosted across the last year and a half with focus groups and open community

687
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:47,040
 meetings as well as stuff that we gathered from working with the mobility plan so the

688
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:52,280
 mobility plan hosted three public meetings that we participated with in cooperation as

689
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:56,640
 well to gather more information about the trail system and people's requests and needs

690
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:03,020
 for just connectivity and a big concern is improving the crossing and crossing standards

691
01:10:03,020 --> 01:10:08,160
 of what we already have and this will be this recommendation is to go back in and reassess

692
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:13,440
 the trail system i've done a lot of this in the pre-assessment however you have to go

693
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:17,640
 a step further in working with where their street crossings and working with transportation

694
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:23,380
 to make sure that all the distances and measurements are exactly right but essentially both on

695
01:10:23,380 --> 01:10:30,480
 trail and trail crossings need to be restriped enhanced in some cases signage lighting and

696
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:35,440
 warning signals need to be placed in and this has become fortunately it's not as expensive

697
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:41,080
 as it used to be comparatively just because there's more products on the market now so

698
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:45,160
 as new trails are built especially through the urban environment crossings becomes really

699
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:49,880
 important to notify both the user of the trail that they need to slow down and be aware of

700
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:54,120
 their hitting a traffic point and for the traffic itself to be calmed and slowed down

701
01:10:54,120 --> 01:11:00,120
 to be aware that there's constant pathways and with proper signage and education both

702
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:04,640
 parties learn to take it easy through these crossing areas so an initial part of this

703
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:09,800
 plan and the recommendations is to go in and enhance what we already have and then as everything's

704
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:14,080
 built build to these modern standards so that this is part of the standard infrastructure

705
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:23,240
 and design okay we can go on David has his hand up oh sorry go ahead David yeah with

706
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:31,120
 regard to those crossings are you favoring those that have sensors that kind of set off

707
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:36,080
 signals both directions that there is that there's traffic I mean I can think of an example

708
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:40,440
 on Windsor right by North Lakes where that one's pretty effective is it that kind of

709
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:45,560
 crossing that you're looking at it basically the higher the amount of traffic that crossing

710
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:52,040
 knows it's going to have the further you go up the scale in crossing attributes so yes

711
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:57,240
 you would add sensors lighting and flickering lights as you have a high density and speed

712
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:04,320
 of traffic at that crossing point where you have in a community area so if we took Cooper

713
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:10,440
 Creek further across over by Mack Park you have a crossing there that actually is a short

714
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:15,720
 crossing but again you have a fast roadway going through there so that one again would

715
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,800
 need flickering but just down the road at Stewart you don't you really just need striping

716
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:26,840
 and both sides identified so it's not necessary in cost analysis and in current safety standards

717
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:31,920
 to flicker out everything you would flicker out in now if you can get the money to obviously

718
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:38,640
 do it but you would go in succession of level of degree of difficulty and danger you might

719
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,440
 even come in and raise the bed a little bit in community neighborhoods to create what's

720
01:12:42,440 --> 01:12:47,760
 just called a a raised pathway to slow traffic down so you get a traffic calming device as

721
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,640
 well and that's a cheaper way than putting in a lighting system so you want to make sure

722
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,440
 you put in something that you can afford to take care of and replace because the lighting

723
01:12:55,440 --> 01:13:00,700
 systems do go down but yes where there's high traffic like the one over on the north side

724
01:13:00,700 --> 01:13:08,560
 of North Lakes yes a flickering system with monitorings as well as lashings thank you

725
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:12,520
 another issue that needs to be addressed on the current trail system and again with inheriting

726
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:16,120
 Clear Creek there's a I don't want to say tremendous but there's a good amount of work

727
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:21,180
 to be done in stabilizing improving the especially the dirt trails that are out there and a variety

728
01:13:21,180 --> 01:13:25,540
 of the concrete trails just have some shoring up and Dirichka has done a great job of keeping

729
01:13:25,540 --> 01:13:29,840
 up with section replacement it's actually built into his budget strategy but again that

730
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:34,600
 will always be there with erosion primarily for dirt and then as brought up before requests

731
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:39,000
 came in for improving the lighting on certain portions of the trail system and again if

732
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,960
 we want to maximize usage picking high use corridors to actually add cost-effective solar

733
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:50,360
 lighting over long term as well and then all of this not put in here but standard in design

734
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:54,520
 now if y'all are familiar with the term with septet design is you design the trail system

735
01:13:54,520 --> 01:14:01,200
 with lighting and swath and with management to limit the visual potentials for crime and

736
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:06,000
 threat on top of that just to add to that drew actually worked with our risk management

737
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:11,880
 group in the city and did a septet of Quaker Town Park because we had a number of concerns

738
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:17,800
 and questions about feeling safe and in some issues in the park itself so that's on our

739
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,960
 list that we're working on with some work plan items to improve lighting and safety

740
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:26,160
 and signage and a little bit of everything to help improve people's experience within

741
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:37,500
 Quaker Town yes James yeah uh for the security uh you know the police have you ever considered

742
01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:47,440
 like doing like a police bike patrol as in asking them to patrol the trails yeah or you

743
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:55,720
 know that the city could some way budget you know it makes a big difference just the presence

744
01:14:55,720 --> 01:15:01,720
 of police on the trail on a bike and they see you it makes a big difference that was

745
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:06,600
 actually part of the septet that that risk management put in there as a as a suggestion

746
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:12,160
 to have some sort of bike patrol if we could can i interrupt briefly is this is this going

747
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:19,280
 to be covered in the last section with regards to safety and security uh it we kind of touch

748
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:23,560
 it so if you if you we could go through the entire presentation then anything we missed

749
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:32,560
 then we could handle that at that point time would be great thank you uh current trail

750
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:37,880
 expansions by type again we get the creek and drainage trails and the estimated cost

751
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:45,400
 to build to um primarily using dirt and crushed gravel so we can see the cost is running near

752
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:49,240
 a million dollars just over a million dollars per mile from that area versus the internal

753
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:55,820
 park trail system same thing now the internal park trail system or internal park trails

754
01:15:55,820 --> 01:16:00,800
 uh would be included in every park redesign and every new park that's put in so where

755
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:05,780
 hunter coal uh properties will build a park as part of their hoa development and part

756
01:16:05,780 --> 01:16:10,600
 of the community and the developer putting in that infrastructure they will add and pick

757
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:15,920
 up that cost so a variety of these as parks are built again for southwest parks in the

758
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:21,200
 master plan of southwest parks if it includes a trail when you bond out to build southwest

759
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:25,800
 parks that would be included in that individual park so it's not going out and asking for

760
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,800
 60 million dollars at one time for the whole trail system a lot of these are going to

761
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:36,520
 be included in park upgrades along the way the one portion that would probably be separate

762
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:41,480
 and requested would be those drainage trails in succession maybe three to four million

763
01:16:41,480 --> 01:16:47,760
 dollars every two to three years to build out and acquire that infrastructure uh same

764
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,940
 thing with the paddling trails likely to be picked up hopefully with the texas park and

765
01:16:51,940 --> 01:16:55,960
 wildlife grant and then contribute the city will make a standard 20 contribution which

766
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,880
 we'll show later and then for each type of trail you're going to pick up additional maintenance

767
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:05,880
 cost so down the road if this trail system is maxed out the way we would expect it to

768
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:10,000
 be the way we hope it would be there's also probably going to be a need for a comprehensive

769
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:15,720
 or full-time trail crew to manage this asset going forward so the same a lot of cities

770
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:20,160
 specialize and have a crew just for ball field maintenance because it's specialized there

771
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:25,540
 would be a small division for trail and tread maintenance as well but again this is the

772
01:17:25,540 --> 01:17:31,500
 highest used and number one requested asset in the park system usually so that contribution

773
01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:36,100
 is actually very small when you consider the millions of uses it gets across the year

774
01:17:36,100 --> 01:17:42,720
 all right the internal park trails that are lists we can see them all the biggest one

775
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:48,160
 i point out at the top is the future mountain bike park a single track park that would be

776
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:52,440
 in the property gary showed already on the wastewater system up by heartley field road

777
01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:57,880
 and then a variety of these as you guys are aware that these parks would come online unicorn

778
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:04,600
 lake expanded a little bit south lakes park again could be expanded southwest park as

779
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:09,240
 a future trail estimating at 2.5 miles and again picking up the maintenance costs for

780
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:15,340
 those park assets as we go so look through that for a minute and see if there's any that

781
01:18:15,340 --> 01:18:26,640
 you have questions about a question okay um i'm looking at the mckinna park loop trail

782
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:33,320
 and it's showing that it's going to be a concrete trail when we talked about that trail months

783
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:40,680
 ago i was under the impression that it was going to be a crushed rock trail we we did

784
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:45,380
 talk about that and i think the council had mentioned it too so the the challenge there

785
01:18:45,380 --> 01:18:51,840
 is the terrain and you know we we put a crushed granite trail and i'll let you drew chime in

786
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:58,800
 on this as well at the dog park and it's washing away a good chunk of that trail right now

787
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:04,720
 because all the water that's flushing through the the property so the concern there is if

788
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:11,080
 we put crushed granite in specific areas obviously where there's more terrain that it's going

789
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:17,920
 to be a constant maintenance issue so we're trying to balance where we need to put concrete

790
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:25,120
 and where we need to put crushed granite we still need to put in a concrete ribbon on

791
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:29,280
 the edges just to keep it the weeds from growing in and keep it clean if you go out to the

792
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:35,080
 dog park we did that with the concrete ribbon and if you look over towards the animal shelter

793
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:39,840
 there is no ribbon out there because that was kind of just like a temporary path that

794
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:45,400
 we put in you could see the difference of how much cleaner it looks with the concrete

795
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:51,000
 so it's not necessarily cheaper now there's certain people that want to run on crush on

796
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:55,240
 concrete that don't want to run on concrete or that would rather run on crushed granite

797
01:19:55,240 --> 01:20:00,720
 or even asphalt would be in softer so there's a balance there so we're trying to look at

798
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:06,160
 where we need to put concrete and where it would make the most sense in alleviate staff

799
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:13,680
 and ongoing maintenance headache I understand what you're saying as someone who will be

800
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:21,840
 using McKenna Park I'm planning on running that trail you know weekly it is very disappointing

801
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:28,000
 to see that it's going to be concrete considering all the trails in the area are going to be

802
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:36,800
 concrete I'm pretty sure Razor Ranch is going to be concrete in it and it is as we age running

803
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:43,480
 on concrete hurts just a little bit more and I don't know if there are other options I

804
01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:50,400
 know later in the presentation you will be talking about different types of tread so

805
01:20:50,400 --> 01:21:05,360
 maybe consider putting in something that might be a little bit less rigid James yeah to that

806
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:14,360
 I have another question to two questions here one is to address what she was talking about

807
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:20,760
 is how wide or the is a trailer you do an eight-foot wide trail and how far how wide

808
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:27,960
 is the easement our standard is 10-foot whenever we can you know if we have to adjust in certain

809
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:34,520
 areas because the easement is small or there's a creek kind of really up against the property

810
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:38,560
 edge we'll have to figure out how to deal with that and kind of work around it but wherever

811
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:44,880
 we can you know 10-foot you know eight-foot if that's all we have that's fine you know

812
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:51,760
 the trail that's going down on 377 I think is five or six feet obviously we're a little

813
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,960
 late to the planning on that by the time we got everything up and running but that's something

814
01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:01,840
 we look to expand down the road on future phases for 377 so wherever we can if we can

815
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:07,440
 get 10 feet that's great we get 12 feet that's even better but 10-foot is kind of our standard

816
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:13,040
 that we're working off of 10-foot for the trail or 10-foot for the easement 10-foot

817
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:20,760
 for the trail width okay what about the easement next to it the easement originally we're looking

818
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:27,000
 at 30 feet at a minimum 10-foot on each side of the 10-foot trail if we if we could get

819
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:33,480
 more that's great and also it also depends on if there's a creek or hills or slope or

820
01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:38,440
 trees too on what that easement might look like right well then the reason I'm asking

821
01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:44,560
 is because one of the things you can do if you got the easement next to the trail and

822
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:53,520
 you can do meet feel like a little running berm on either side or both so that to Alana's

823
01:22:53,520 --> 01:23:01,800
 point because it concrete kills your knees what we did there was just to use a berm along

824
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:06,120
 the side that the runners could use that so they didn't have to use the actual get on

825
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:16,680
 the concrete part just just a just a point um secondly a question on the um one of the

826
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:21,520
 things I had asked about earlier as you well know was and I appreciate you mentioned the

827
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:26,080
 three second connection because that's the cottonwood trail is going to go all the way

828
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:34,280
 down along that railroad track there all the way to um I know uh all the way to actually

829
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:42,600
 go to Fort Worth that's there's a that's part of the cottonwood uh velo web trail and uh

830
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:48,520
 anyway but the one that concerned me most was like access a quaker town park from the

831
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:55,400
 train station there yeah so there's um the parking lots at city hall east which is on

832
01:23:55,400 --> 01:24:01,440
 the north side of the train station is set to be rebuilt eventually and we've asked for

833
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:09,120
 a 10-foot trail to carry uh on the west side of city hall east that would take us to mckinney

834
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:14,600
 then we need to get from mckinney to quaker town so that one block needs some logistics

835
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:19,720
 in regards to how we're going to do that um so that that hasn't been flushed out yet but

836
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:23,880
 we we have that in mind try to figure out how to connect those and that'll help whenever

837
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:30,720
 the mckinney phase finally gets to the downtown area that'll be flushed out then okay at the

838
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:41,080
 timing yeah let's see okay thanks and dr walker I see that this internal parks trail proposed

839
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:45,680
 uh list does not include some of the newer parks so this will be periodically updated

840
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:55,640
 correct correct correct thank you looking at this list i'm just curious if there was

841
01:24:55,640 --> 01:25:00,820
 anything and maybe i'm just missing it with mac park i know a lot of people utilize that

842
01:25:00,820 --> 01:25:05,280
 park as a trail but similar to what you're saying it's like cattle what'd you call it

843
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:13,640
 gary cattle a cattle path yeah cattle path um sorry city folk um cattle path of like

844
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:19,920
 obviously where the individuals use the trail but there's also not a way to cross from one

845
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:28,200
 side of mac to the other safely like you would at south lakes or um north lakes park is there

846
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:31,640
 do you expect that there's going to be like you mentioned before that's a pretty major

847
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:36,560
 street some type of crossway for people i think i joked around with gary of can we build

848
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:44,080
 a bridge but is there a is there a way to connect that one part so the mac park on the

849
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:52,400
 south side which is roberts field uh that is in the canopy uh trails okay kind of property

850
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:57,280
 um and then crossing that street we would either use the the flashing lights like dr

851
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:03,840
 walker had mentioned or if if traffic counts were an issue we would have to send people

852
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:08,840
 down to the intersection and then back up to get to the park is the safest bet so those

853
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:13,720
 would be the two options a flyover bridge obviously is an option but from a cost standpoint

854
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:23,440
 it probably isn't feasible um but that's the two main options we have thank you and that

855
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:31,560
 would be in the uh comprehensive trails plan so not the chapter you would go back and assess

856
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:36,360
 access and this is in here a little bit later accessibility to every single park from a

857
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:42,280
 walking perspective and the entire city from there all right so um so we'll move forward

858
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:46,720
 a little bit the creek and drainage linear trails these are the ones that really provide

859
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:53,560
 the greatest opportunity to link major sections of the city across the city using the current

860
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:57,760
 creek corridors a lot of these trails kind of exist as goat paths and old equestrian

861
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:02,880
 paths and fishing paths that have been walked in that would require to get easements and

862
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,000
 agreements with the corps of engineers for a lot of these properties and then go back

863
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:10,440
 in and formalize the trail and establish the beds so that's part of the big plan and you

864
01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:15,000
 can see a lot of these have phases so we'll see hickory creek in here multiple times and

865
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:20,600
 the same thing with pecan creek in here multiple times um the majority of these trails due

866
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:25,360
 to the nature of the ground and costs would be either dirt or crushed um so there if you're

867
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:30,000
 wanting to go out and run um especially a long distance this would be that softer surface

868
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:36,400
 opportunities through a more to provide a stable tread but also have one that's purpose

869
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:40,480
 allows water to get through it and reduces the maintenance a little bit and the cost

870
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:44,240
 of installation it's a whole lot cheaper to build these than it is to put concrete down

871
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:48,320
 and the corps won't really want concrete in most of the properties that's a whole different

872
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:54,720
 animal to take on for agreements so they do require maintenance not quite as much mostly

873
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:59,280
 pruning and mowing as opposed to edging and cutting through for there so this is kind

874
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:06,240
 of that list to look through now some of these you will see concrete in here listed for certain

875
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:11,680
 portions of these trails where we've estimated if they're put in would have extremely high

876
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:17,960
 use um they could they might start as concrete and if the use is actually there that's expected

877
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:22,480
 the city would then go back in and invest and then put in a concrete trail initially

878
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:27,000
 most of these would go in unless supported with development money would go in as crushed

879
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:34,600
 crushed rock if not just well sturdier yeah and dirt trails if managed right hold up really

880
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:40,600
 really well um you know the forest service has figured this out if you actually establish

881
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:45,840
 the trail properly under proper conditions and slopes and then manage those slopes and

882
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:52,120
 manage the tread with compression strategies such as just rolling it every year um thanks

883
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:55,800
 to the clay that's in the soils around here the treads can actually hold up as good as

884
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:59,880
 concrete if they're managed properly so that's where you get back to the maintenance strategy

885
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:08,360
 from there street and side pathways again this is what is going to be inherited a good

886
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:12,840
 example is mayhill which is why it's one of the pictures in there this is where as the

887
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:18,720
 city goes in and upgrades the roads throughout this throughout town they constantly are coming

888
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:23,800
 back and then adding on one side a larger at least eight foot pathway with a nice easement

889
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:29,080
 on both sides that make it multi-use for non-motorized transportation and it's still a walking path

890
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:33,000
 on the other side in the majority of these trails where the land is available to them

891
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:39,360
 all of these are planned to be concrete as the city puts them in there's no cost which

892
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:43,840
 is great for the side paths because they're part of that road project however there will

893
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:48,960
 be long-term maintenance cost as the city inherits every single one of these segments

894
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:53,440
 this is also a massive amount of connectivity being provided across the city and expansion

895
01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:57,940
 the trail system it's probably the largest long-term impact to the entire system coming

896
01:29:57,940 --> 01:30:03,400
 forward at no cost that the city has it's just that the park system doesn't control

897
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:09,040
 when these projects are done just in full disclosure the while we put down phases on

898
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:13,200
 here we're not sure if those are going to be the phases for the actual road construction

899
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:17,840
 we looked at it from kind of like major roadway to major roadway and just kind of broke it

900
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:25,280
 up into smaller sections so we're working with our CIP team to try to figure out exactly

901
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:31,320
 what those phases may be to try to get more detail but as a section of a park master plan

902
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:37,120
 we're way deep in the weeds already so we've gone well beyond a standard kind of trail

903
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:42,200
 section of a master plan would be with some of these details so it just allows us to look

904
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:53,520
 at planning in a little more advanced paddling trails growing opportunity across the state

905
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:58,820
 of Texas and really across the country Gary has a background with working and establishing

906
01:30:58,820 --> 01:31:04,200
 these in Arlington as well there is with lake access and lake proximity for the city there's

907
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:09,240
 great opportunity here and we've identified a variety of locations of where these could

908
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:14,600
 go and estimated their length and then general cost estimation for putting them in and again

909
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:18,600
 what's nice here is these are highly supported by Texas Park and Wildlife to create access

910
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:26,920
 to the outdoors just another way to get involved and and are those just the Elm Fork I mean

911
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:32,800
 along the Elm Fork River itself or those some specific construction or work that would need

912
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:37,240
 to be done there would be launch points that would need to be created for some of these

913
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:41,120
 other plan and again we'll get to it and just a little bit would be to have ADA access as

914
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:45,640
 well as for these launches and you have markers that you would need to put in especially for

915
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:50,240
 the lake trail so a couple of these trails are actually in the on the lake itself and

916
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:53,320
 you'd go out and actually put your marker points that you know you can see them at a

917
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:57,400
 distance so you know you're going in the right direction and not just cutting across a cove

918
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:01,440
 and possibly getting to a section of the lake you didn't want to go to so I do have a question

919
01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:05,880
 about that I guess if we're gonna if the responsibility of that is going to fall at least partly under

920
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:11,920
 us I've paddled a lot of those trails on the Elm Fork at least from Ray Roberts all the

921
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:17,440
 way down to Sandy Lake Park and there's you know log jam after log jam where you have

922
01:32:17,440 --> 01:32:22,080
 to get out in portage and and deal with those problems and they're actually worse now than

923
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:26,280
 they've ever been is that something that would ultimately fall under our responsibility to

924
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:32,840
 have to take care of it the plan would be to get permission to either cooperatively

925
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:36,920
 take care of them or yes take over the management of them completely if allowed the Corps is

926
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:42,360
 very protective of what's done on their land but Clear Creek's a pretty good example of

927
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:50,240
 how they're trying to step away from land management I'm sorry go ahead a good example

928
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:56,280
 would be Grapevine Lake Grapevine Lake has I believe 16 park segments that go all the

929
01:32:56,280 --> 01:33:01,520
 way around the lake the Corps only now manages two of them they've handed over the management

930
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:05,960
 of all the other properties to the local cities recognizing that the cities have time and

931
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:11,400
 the desire to address it to make it usable for their residents again the city has to

932
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:16,920
 do everything under Corps environmental regulations so it's not like you can just go you know

933
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:20,080
 put a stick of dynamite in there and blow it out because that's how you want to manage

934
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:25,440
 it so when an issue happens that has to be taken care of the city can get permission

935
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:29,240
 to do it it's just going to be done under Corps guides and Corps regulation for them

936
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:33,120
 okay it kind of seems like they have stopped doing that so I didn't know if that was going

937
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:37,840
 to be the same kind of issue that we're going to have so um no and part of go ahead Gary

938
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:44,000
 just just to kind of add to what Dr. Whiteford said the Army Corps of Parks and Wildlife

939
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:49,680
 came in and cleared out the southern log jam on the south side of 380 so that's been cleared

940
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:53,760
 up we still have one on the north side and we realized that that's going to be kind of

941
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:58,720
 an ongoing challenge obviously we'd love for someone else to take care of that if we can

942
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:04,120
 so we'll definitely try to reach out to them as much as possible to make sure those cleared

943
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:10,480
 obviously if there is a log jam we can't we can't be promoting these so wherever we can

944
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:17,680
 kind of open up a section of it maybe on the north side more that's great maybe it's just

945
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:22,680
 the southern side down where the the coves are to get those open and just continue to

946
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:26,400
 kind of work through the process you know I just I would just like us to be conscious

947
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,680
 of that because I think that could end up being a real headache for us I've never been

948
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:33,160
 able to paddle down there without having to pull out and portage for several hundred yards

949
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:40,000
 absolutely totally agree with you just a reminder we have about 23 minutes left of meeting time

950
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:49,320
 you tried to cut me off Francis I'm just trying to get through the meeting James yeah the

951
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:53,960
 one of the things that helped down on the Great Lake Grapevine you mentioned that there's

952
01:34:53,960 --> 01:35:02,920
 a north shore to two major trails on the north side one's the north trail or the run by a

953
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:09,720
 group called Dorba Dallas Off-Road Bicycle Association so there's a possibility of like

954
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:14,520
 getting a you know since you have kayakers and people like that canoeist that maybe get

955
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:21,040
 a group to they maintain those trails right he does not and and then the other is the

956
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:25,440
 equestrian trail there's a question trailer goes around here too so like a seven and a

957
01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:33,360
 half mile equestrian trail that's maintained by Tetra which is a local equestrian club

958
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:38,720
 so they both two different groups through different trails but that's how they take

959
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:43,720
 care of that they they maintain agreement and agreement to use it they also have to

960
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:51,000
 agree to maintain it correct and and with that it's very possible again it takes a

961
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:55,520
 it's an effort and some investment but you can help establish either like the park foundation

962
01:35:55,520 --> 01:36:02,760
 or association groups or clubs that would get the training by certain members so that

963
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:06,480
 they could appropriately do the work under core guidance and they can do cooperative

964
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:09,800
 training with the core to take care of these things so that would be part of the long-term

965
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:15,100
 plan and again as Gary mentioned you would bring each trail each paddling trail online

966
01:36:15,100 --> 01:36:20,040
 as you knew you had a long-term feasible strategy to make it work not just jump in and take

967
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:24,400
 them and then have a maintenance headache that you could really take care of so as far

968
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:29,960
 as the delay for the core properties budget has been a big problem for them they lost

969
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:33,160
 Texas Park and Wildlife had a whole lot of money they had to give up that would have

970
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:37,240
 come up to this section to deal with Hurricane Harvey which is why a lot of the log jams

971
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:42,840
 were left unmanaged for quite some time as they slowly worked back they're trying to

972
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:48,760
 get to you know highest needs at their appropriate time okay this is a list of the primary connectors

973
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:54,640
 and again this is I'm sorry go ahead and I had two questions about the paddling and

974
01:36:54,640 --> 01:37:00,280
 I noticed that some of those are you launch at the state park and so you have to pay like

975
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:06,680
 the state park fee to get to the trail if the city takes over those trails will people

976
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:13,760
 still have to pay the state park fee so are the proposals that we have here are opportunities

977
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:19,480
 that we would be working with the Texas Parks and Wildlife to get these enhanced promoted

978
01:37:19,480 --> 01:37:25,480
 planned so if if that section of the trail is still under their jurisdiction and you

979
01:37:25,480 --> 01:37:31,500
 would have to pay the fee for that specific location some of these may not be or they

980
01:37:31,500 --> 01:37:35,400
 all may be a joint partnership down the road we're not sure yet we haven't flushed through

981
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:40,200
 all that yet but just on the surface if you were going to launch at a Texas Parks and

982
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:46,480
 Wildlife you would have to pay any associated fees for that or have a pass so I guess I

983
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:56,320
 just don't I don't understand the list if it's like it's saying greenbelt 428 is a trail

984
01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:04,280
 and we're gonna do $2,000 maintenance cost for the year if it's already a state park

985
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:09,720
 I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding how it's not just a state park paddling trail

986
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:16,000
 versus a city park paddling trail yeah so there so the maintenance is just on there

987
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:21,120
 as a placeholder if we were have to maintain that based off of estimates that park maintenance

988
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:26,920
 and drew have put together but if obviously if that's being maintained currently by Texas

989
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:31,960
 Parks and Wildlife we won't have to do that so we would take that off or be asking for

990
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:39,480
 grants to buy buoys signage maps launch ramps through Texas Parks and Wildlife for that capital

991
01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:44,360
 improvement and again the starting point could actually be from city-controlled property

992
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:49,200
 so you can go up the creek and as long as you're not launching or taking out on their

993
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:55,200
 property you don't pay the fee not that many people paddle upstream but it is done yeah

994
01:38:55,200 --> 01:39:02,520
 I do right I do too so you could leave from Clear Creek or if the city acquires a launch

995
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:08,600
 point on Lake Louisville and work your way back up what is considered to be a state park

996
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:12,600
 paddling trail it just depends on which direction you go and then where the access points are

997
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:17,480
 provided to it and I know where to hurry get my other question is have have you all looked

998
01:39:17,480 --> 01:39:23,880
 at Clear Creek as being a paddling trail like launching from there at Fisherman's Trail

999
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:37,360
 or somewhere yes yes we have okay and that's why actually drew we might need to go back

1000
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:41,280
 in and consider adding that in if we know especially with the potential of the Don Carter

1001
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:46,040
 development if that could be a possible launch site that would go that far up and it's going

1002
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:50,880
 to depend on what happens with the water now that the log jams being removed down at the

1003
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:55,120
 bottom of the green belt okay but I'll add that to it to expand the list and take a look

1004
01:39:55,120 --> 01:40:00,960
 at that today tomorrow okay the connectors just I'll move this a little quicker these

1005
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:07,040
 are some of the primaries that are recognized to be needed to expand the potential of connectivity

1006
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:11,040
 across the city as well as get from one part of the town to the other the biggest one being

1007
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:16,640
 the opportunity to get through underneath i-35 to the side of the current railroad tracks

1008
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:21,960
 headed towards the future side path trail that would be down 377 that would then provide

1009
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:28,480
 connectivity to the future cotton belt trail so this is one list and again Gary do we have

1010
01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:33,880
 a larger one later we do have a we have an entire another power point of all the text

1011
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:38,720
 dot connector points which has it so this is just an example to say that we recognize

1012
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:42,200
 that within this system there's going to be a lot of quick short segments that need to

1013
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:49,640
 be identified to create trail to trail connectivity or across the system so they're not necessarily

1014
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:53,680
 long enough there might be expansions or they're just the need to create the linkage that doesn't

1015
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:58,000
 exist right now and expand maybe take a trail another quarter mile or through a pathway

1016
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:02,640
 or through an underpass and appropriately design it so that would work where needed

1017
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:06,680
 some of these may have to become on street connectors as well where you have bollard

1018
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:11,120
 and protected pathways as you see in the middle picture where you have a barrier separating

1019
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:17,560
 the road from the rider another issue too that will be paid attention to recommended

1020
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:23,320
 in this entire plan is to pay attention to the design so that you maximize ada accessibility

1021
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:28,440
 and ada use across the entire system again i'd go back to and i've done this i've worked

1022
01:41:28,440 --> 01:41:34,960
 on trails for 25 plus years now is you can put in a dirt tread trail if it's established

1023
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:39,960
 right and maintained that would meet ada standards you just have to stay on top of it and keep

1024
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:46,920
 it in good shape so the idea would be in everything done at the point of access in the parking

1025
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:53,680
 lots as well as the treads themselves to maximize ada potential across the entire system this

1026
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:58,600
 is just quick overview of the different types of surfaces that we primarily use between

1027
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:03,560
 paved crushed dirt rock and then boardwalks were needed possibly out in the clear creek

1028
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:09,520
 area or in low-lying areas to it's just it's it becomes a more cost-effective way to traverse

1029
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:16,280
 certain portions of the terrain signage and support is another recommendation some of

1030
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:20,360
 this is needed on the current trail system now to improve and understand wayfinding and

1031
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:24,600
 where when you hit certain points what's in each direction or how far you've gone and

1032
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:29,200
 again this is just an overview of the general signages that's needed for trail identification

1033
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:36,960
 safety uses courtesy as well as confirmation and then turn and directional decisions this

1034
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:42,640
 is one example of one of the future internal trails to be built this is the one that was

1035
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:46,360
 shown at the heartley field property so this line's a little off going through what will

1036
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:51,800
 have to be that top left section for where the wastewater treatment is needed to block

1037
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:55,720
 off land for usage but the idea will be to come in and put in a five to seven mile single

1038
01:42:55,720 --> 01:43:02,080
 track dirt course within this property and also create a connector that would go over

1039
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:05,360
 to the clear creek property where there's currently restaurants available so it would

1040
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:09,100
 be to make that connection next to it and then long term if possible to acquire the

1041
01:43:09,100 --> 01:43:13,800
 land next door and expand the connectivity of the two parks as well going forward but

1042
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:17,940
 i'll leave that in the land acquisition plan from there so this kind of just shows a way

1043
01:43:17,940 --> 01:43:23,000
 to use that land we'll jump to the next one some other opportunities that exist is to

1044
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:29,120
 add within loop trail system similar to like a skate park is areas of pump tracks to be

1045
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:33,940
 identified that can be put into a single track adding on trick features as cutouts something

1046
01:43:33,940 --> 01:43:38,880
 that dorba loves to do with their trust systems so you can have a trail system that lets us

1047
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:43,080
 say in the world of ski slopes is a green and then you can have cutoffs that get it

1048
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:48,000
 blue and black and have trick features added on to it to create more interest in writing

1049
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:52,720
 and when you build specialty features like this into the trail system they become destination

1050
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:56,780
 opportunities that actually contribute to your tourism dollar and your your visitation

1051
01:43:56,780 --> 01:44:03,360
 dollars as well there's also dedicated funding for some of these types of developments because

1052
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:07,760
 the associations and industries that build them recognize they reinvest to keep them

1053
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:13,280
 going in selling property or sorry in selling equipment to maintain them primary one is

1054
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:17,620
 atv trail development for motorized which again came up in the focus group meetings

1055
01:44:17,620 --> 01:44:24,000
 and the community input is texas park and wildlife has a specific fund dedicated just

1056
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:30,760
 for motorized trails that's out there because a portion of the gassed money to gas tax that's

1057
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:35,200
 collected for individuals that own atvs this is how they give it back to them to help create

1058
01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:42,640
 these state park trail systems and also potential revenue generators other interpretive and

1059
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:46,400
 historic use trails would be the veterans trail and founders of the community's trails

1060
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:52,280
 this would be taking either existing trails that are in place within the city parks now

1061
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:56,800
 or in future parks that go in and dedicating to these types of usage as well as putting

1062
01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:02,160
 in the signage and information to make them function this way you kind of see some of

1063
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:06,820
 that on the trail system going down the katie trail now with signage along the way and this

1064
01:45:06,820 --> 01:45:10,640
 would just be identifying those that we have or will have in the future to function in

1065
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:22,360
 this capacity equestrian trail use again as it's in this part of the country horses are

1066
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:28,440
 a big thing and it came up as well and there is the potential for either separate use or

1067
01:45:28,440 --> 01:45:32,680
 possibly shared use shared use can be done if it's designed right and maintained right

1068
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:38,440
 as well as signed and educated appropriately for certain portions of the corridor trails

1069
01:45:38,440 --> 01:45:45,960
 or the quarter lands and the easements to be put in as it as equestrian use down the road

1070
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:50,920
 and then overview again of hunter coal of what's coming how much of that future trail

1071
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:56,480
 system specifically will just be in that one long-term development but again that's probably

1072
01:45:56,480 --> 01:46:01,560
 at least 20 years away from being completely built out it yeah probably even be more than

1073
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:10,040
 that depending on the economy in the plan in the chapter is just a quick general estimate

1074
01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:14,320
 of cost and where funding would come from and historically a variety of this would be

1075
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:18,960
 done internally through bonds bond packages and such however there are in the case of

1076
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:25,360
 the side paths the 130 expected miles to come on from side paths will cost the city nothing

1077
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:29,720
 just again planned maintenance costs down the road for the parks department paddling

1078
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:35,920
 trails again have a very well documented historic match opportunity from texas park and wildlife

1079
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:40,040
 equestrian trails since they would be shared would be built into the use opportunity as

1080
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:45,760
 well so it's just to overview the budget and this is just a closing slide to go back to

1081
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:49,200
 the overview of the entire system and what this chapter will look like in the master

1082
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:58,720
 plan so now questions or additional questions yes uh quick question of the 210 miles of

1083
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:08,200
 trails um how much how many miles do you think will be connected like in the next five years

1084
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:18,560
 um that that's a tough question um it i i don't even know how to answer it you know

1085
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:23,520
 the the pecan creek trail would be the easiest one for us to build because the majority of

1086
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:29,080
 it is government property um obviously when the roads are built uh you know if bonnie

1087
01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:36,480
 bray is completely done you'll be able to go from 77 down to uh vintage um so that'll

1088
01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:42,000
 be a complete stretch a portion that is going to be on road uh from vintage to rose lawn

1089
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:50,020
 um and then vintage is under construction right now from 35 to 377 so there's really

1090
01:47:50,020 --> 01:48:00,200
 it's not going to be a smooth uh process of point a to point t it's going to be a s b

1091
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:06,480
 f g it's it's not going to be you know like like pushing over dominos uh it's going to

1092
01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:12,640
 be scattered based off of priorities condition of land acquisition of property uh grant opportunities

1093
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:17,600
 so it's going to be all over the place so you may have trails that have three or four

1094
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:23,000
 segments that aren't connected and we need to you know get those connections when you

1095
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:28,080
 know someone dedicates the land 10 years from now so it would be great to be able to say

1096
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:32,560
 we could do everything at one time bonnie bray you know mayhill some of those roads

1097
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:37,920
 are probably the easiest way joe and jump in if i'm if you have any ideas the easiest

1098
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:42,680
 way to get a large stretch done at one time because they're going to go in and hit a road

1099
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:49,840
 all at once um that probably would be the easiest way to get a long stretch but when

1100
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:54,440
 working through the creeks uh that's going to take time that's not going to be a slow

1101
01:48:54,440 --> 01:48:59,840
 process um because there's a lot of land and a lot of private land that we need to work

1102
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:05,040
 through and see if we can acquire or get you know easements and those types of things um

1103
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:10,960
 and then obviously the funding to build it too so i know the cip the transportation group

1104
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:15,920
 goes after grant funding for for roads and we'll be going after grant funding for the

1105
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:21,600
 trails too so trying to get them built as as quickly and as cheaply not not necessarily

1106
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:27,640
 cheaply but as uh fiscally responsible for the city to try to use tax you know federal

1107
01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:33,360
 tax grants and those types of things whenever we can uh but it's not going to be fluid like

1108
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:40,440
 a b and c type of rollout is there a place online where people can um go and see like

1109
01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:46,400
 right now if they wanted to go like do a five mile run where the best places in town to

1110
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:51,620
 go for a five mile run are as part of this we're trying to figure out and joe is looking

1111
01:49:51,620 --> 01:49:56,960
 at where smaller loops are throughout the city and how we could eventually have almost

1112
01:49:56,960 --> 01:50:02,600
 like you know a necklace of loops around the city where if you live in one location you

1113
01:50:02,600 --> 01:50:07,280
 could jump on that loop and and go out and come back around or if you wanted to go around

1114
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:12,400
 the entire city there's a way to do that at some point in time too so it's really you

1115
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:19,560
 know 30 year plan plus to try to get a lot of these things done um but that's part of

1116
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:25,040
 the process that we'll get into more detail as we go forward with the trails plan you

1117
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:32,000
 know this is typically i think dr walker said maybe 15 to 17 to 20 pages long and and we're

1118
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:37,680
 well past that with a lot more detail than you would typically see uh in a master plan

1119
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:42,600
 for an entire park system then eventually we'll have to do a trail system master plan that's

1120
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:50,120
 going to have a lot more detail i i would say if if the concrete can get done even in

1121
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:55,480
 a crushed gravel strategy cheaper quicker and all the agreements can get in place um

1122
01:50:55,480 --> 01:51:00,120
 that one has potential to connect to mayhill and thanks to mayhill already being done and

1123
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:04,160
 mayhill having the opportunity to connect back to the katie trail you could have a 15

1124
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:09,920
 mile loop opportunity just there and then again if you can get pecan creek or through

1125
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:14,720
 mayhill connected back to cooper creek you can get to 20 to 25 miles within the next

1126
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:20,120
 probably seven to eight years would be more feasible if the city makes it a priority and

1127
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:24,780
 can provide the parks department the funding you could do it in five but that's asking

1128
01:51:24,780 --> 01:51:29,040
 a lot to have everything's got to fall into place with agreements for it to happen in

1129
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:33,280
 five you have if you want to go for a five mile run now well you have that on the katie

1130
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:39,040
 trail now you can start downtown and go quite a ways now and keep going not necessarily

1131
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:44,760
 in the city of denton but you can actually get to lewisville now by following that trail

1132
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:48,280
 system because it connects all the way down into lewisville as well as flower mountain

1133
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:53,480
 so you pick up their trail systems as well so the connectivity now of continuous riding

1134
01:51:53,480 --> 01:52:00,400
 uh the further side gone in one direction back out and back was uh 36 miles is what

1135
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:02,240
 you can do now from leaving denton downtown

1136
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:09,820
 yes that's a great question though and some good ideas that we'll definitely work on

1137
01:52:09,820 --> 01:52:25,160
 yes uh thanks um uh online map a couple years ago we had an online map of the trail system

1138
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:32,040
 both proposed and again the wines are white rubber bands you know they're not you know

1139
01:52:32,040 --> 01:52:37,000
 definitely going to go this exact location but at least put bands in there so that people

1140
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:42,520
 can know where our trails are and and make the plan that alana if she wants to do that

1141
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:47,400
 she can go up online and look at the map is there any plans or put a map up there and

1142
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:51,720
 also like the kind you can put in your butt on your iphone or whatever while you're riding

1143
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:57,320
 your bike and look at where you are relative to the map yeah once once everything's flushed

1144
01:52:57,320 --> 01:53:03,760
 out we'll definitely make sure it's it's interactive and technology can be enhanced with all that

1145
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:09,320
 information we do have everything on a on our gis system as of right now and that's

1146
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:13,160
 the map that we shared with you if you might think back in january when we talked about

1147
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:17,600
 this we're at a point now we're trying to flush out the to get the pros and cons the

1148
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:23,000
 goods and bads of everything before we go in and start finalizing things and putting

1149
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:29,360
 plans out there for final you know engineering those types of grant applications so right

1150
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:33,720
 now we're trying to flush it out and make sure that we're on the right track and get

1151
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:40,280
 feedback whether it's from you city council and the community as a whole i have a question

1152
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:50,680
 for eddie and are we on a strict 230 time limit but i do ask yes we are so right after

1153
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:55,920
 us that's net had to do that starts exactly three but they have to do the setup as well

1154
01:53:55,920 --> 01:54:04,160
 just like what we did so we have two additional items left and um looks like um i don't know

1155
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:14,160
 if we can get through that in three minutes so um shall we table these items and and i

1156
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:20,920
 move that we table them well david let me finish this oh i'm sorry i'm sorry i would

1157
01:54:20,920 --> 01:54:29,600
 draw my motion i was trying to be efficient i have three minutes two and a half i need

1158
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:39,320
 a motion to table the last two items and for the next meeting i also move david made a

1159
01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:51,240
 motion jameson i'll second his motion okay with that in mind i need a motion to uh two

1160
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:56,960
 things additional things to add with the two items is to gary you're going to come back

1161
01:54:56,960 --> 01:55:02,680
 and talk to us about the unt property the veterans park and i wanted to add the absentee

1162
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:14,800
 policy and possibly invite rosa so we can discuss that policy for the next meeting before

1163
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:21,760
 before we depart just wanted to give everybody a heads up in uh with uh goods and bads of

1164
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:27,600
 laura barons is going to be moving over to finance um she's taken over the grand administration

1165
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:32,120
 position for the city so we hate to see her leave but it's it's another opportunity for

1166
01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:38,520
 her to diversify her portfolio uh for city management um so friday or i guess thursday

1167
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:43,960
 technic was her last day she was off on friday but um and she's she went to california for

1168
01:55:43,960 --> 01:55:47,880
 the weekend so tomorrow she'll be back she's going to be at city hall east for a little

1169
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:52,840
 bit but she'll be housed over here at city hall uh so she'll still be with the city she's

1170
01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:58,360
 helping us with the 915 16 ordinance so she's still going to be involved for that so she's

1171
01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:04,280
 not gone completely uh so she'll be back probably at the next meeting uh just if we're going

1172
01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:11,520
 to try to get that on the agenda for um next month if we can if not november for sure uh

1173
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:16,640
 we would like to get that rolling so yep she uh so we we are going to be we're advertising

1174
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:22,400
 for that position on a search for another ad we'll obviously be taking internal and

1175
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:29,400
 external applications uh so it'll be a few months before we get somebody on board okay

1176
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:34,280
 i saw elana you had a question and david has a question yeah i was wondering um in the

1177
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:41,200
 future maybe um we're too full for next time but could you talk to us about your acquisition

1178
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:49,160
 of clear creek and what that looks like yep thanks david uh yeah i'd like maybe just a

1179
01:56:49,160 --> 01:57:00,680
 little update on the changes with uh kdb and how that affects things with the parks department

1180
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:06,520
 all right i need a motion if there are no more questions of concern i may have a motion

1181
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:12,040
 to adjourn the meeting james emmerich i need a motion i need a second please i'll second

1182
01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:19,160
 the motion miss presley miss taylor landon presley taylor has second okay meeting is

1183
01:57:19,160 --> 01:57:23,800
 adjourned at 2 30 eddie