WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.600 All right, you're good, Monique. 00:00:04.600 --> 00:00:06.940 >> All right, we'll just start with roll. 00:00:06.940 --> 00:00:09.200 Monet Franklin, I'm here. 00:00:09.200 --> 00:00:10.860 Michelle Lynn, absent. 00:00:10.860 --> 00:00:12.260 Nick Baggett, absent. 00:00:12.260 --> 00:00:13.400 Meredith Buehle, absent. 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:14.360 Alicia Egert. 00:00:14.360 --> 00:00:15.560 >> Here. 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:18.040 >> Jodi Ismert, absent. 00:00:18.040 --> 00:00:19.200 Fred Nicholson. 00:00:19.200 --> 00:00:20.280 >> Here. 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:21.840 >> Terry Nobles. 00:00:21.840 --> 00:00:23.520 >> Here. 00:00:23.520 --> 00:00:25.020 >> Ed Steele. 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:35.140 >> We can't hear you, Ed. 00:00:35.140 --> 00:00:43.840 We can visually see Ed, we can't hear him right now. 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:48.420 >> Check, check, check. 00:00:48.420 --> 00:00:49.360 >> Yes. 00:00:49.360 --> 00:00:50.880 >> Okay, yeah, I'm here. 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:51.440 Sorry about that. 00:00:51.440 --> 00:00:53.280 >> Virginia, and it doesn't. 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:56.480 >> Here. 00:00:57.040 --> 00:00:59.800 >> Everyone's accounted for. 00:00:59.800 --> 00:01:04.260 Item A, consider approved for the minutes of August 7th, 2020. 00:01:24.960 --> 00:01:28.200 >> If no one has any changes, we'll need a motion. 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:35.440 >> I move we accept the minutes from the last meeting. 00:01:35.440 --> 00:01:37.200 >> I'll second. 00:01:55.520 --> 00:01:59.740 >> Monet, could you do a roll call vote? 00:01:59.740 --> 00:02:01.600 >> All in favor? 00:02:01.600 --> 00:02:03.280 >> Aye. 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:04.220 >> Aye. 00:02:04.220 --> 00:02:05.320 >> Aye. 00:02:05.320 --> 00:02:07.800 >> Aye. 00:02:07.800 --> 00:02:09.760 >> Alicia. 00:02:09.760 --> 00:02:10.680 >> Aye. 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:12.120 >> Fred. 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:13.500 >> Aye. 00:02:13.500 --> 00:02:14.760 >> Terry. 00:02:14.760 --> 00:02:16.240 >> Aye. 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:18.480 >> Georgina. 00:02:18.480 --> 00:02:21.520 >> Aye. 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:27.820 >> And item B, receive report and hold discussion 00:02:27.820 --> 00:02:29.560 and give staff direction regarding the status 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:32.080 of following art, public art committee projects. 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:34.640 Number one, the North Lakes Dog Park, 00:02:34.640 --> 00:02:39.200 two G Roll and Vela Athletic Complex, three Tennis Center, 00:02:39.200 --> 00:02:42.400 four Fire Station, number three, five foundations 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:47.040 of our history mural, six MLK Junior Recreation Sculpture, 00:02:47.040 --> 00:02:49.640 and seven Women's Generation Fellowship Monument Project. 00:02:54.960 --> 00:03:06.200 Start. For some reason, it's not wanting to start the slideshow. 00:03:06.200 --> 00:03:06.520 All right. 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:21.680 Okay, so the first project maybe is the North Lakes Dog Park 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:27.400 project. This project, we've been reviewing artists 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:29.500 and submissions with the subcommittee. 00:03:29.500 --> 00:03:33.600 Unfortunately, the artists that were selected 00:03:33.600 --> 00:03:36.680 from the pre-qualified list and put on the short list, 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:41.660 we didn't have any artists that wished to submit on that project. 00:03:41.660 --> 00:03:46.740 And so we're coming back to the full committee seeking direction 00:03:46.740 --> 00:03:50.700 with regards to seeking an alternative selection process. 00:03:51.460 --> 00:03:56.940 For that artist, if possible, or if that's the committee's pleasure. 00:03:56.940 --> 00:04:02.840 And then I'll let Gary, if you have any additional updates 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:06.040 on that project, add in now. 00:04:06.040 --> 00:04:13.300 >> This is Gary Pack, and just to kind of give you some additional feedback 00:04:13.300 --> 00:04:17.000 in regards to alternative steps that we could take, 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.660 we did get some feedback from purchasing. 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:26.640 If we could go back out for a specific RFP for artists, 00:04:26.640 --> 00:04:32.260 promote the budget, and try to get interested parties 00:04:32.260 --> 00:04:34.740 from that direction with a specific theme. 00:04:34.740 --> 00:04:43.320 We would be allowed to go back in and use the existing pool if we wanted to, 00:04:43.320 --> 00:04:47.760 and see if there's anybody in the kind of round two for the 35,000. 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:54.440 Or we could go out if we know of any artists locally and ask them 00:04:54.440 --> 00:04:55.680 if they wanted to submit. 00:04:55.680 --> 00:05:01.700 The downside of that, I don't necessarily like that direction because, you know, 00:05:01.700 --> 00:05:07.100 it's not a clear process in giving everybody an opportunity to chime in. 00:05:07.100 --> 00:05:10.940 Although they did say we could go in that direction since it's art. 00:05:10.940 --> 00:05:15.920 So those are three opportunities that we could kind of handle this. 00:05:16.280 --> 00:05:21.580 Or we could potentially, I guess, reallocate money from another project if we wanted 00:05:21.580 --> 00:05:24.920 to take money from the tennis center and put it at North Lakes, 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:30.040 or maybe even use that for Vela as well, because that's a similar situation 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:31.400 that we'll talk about next. 00:05:31.400 --> 00:05:39.860 I think staff would prefer to go and just redo the RFP and put a budget out there 00:05:39.860 --> 00:05:42.900 with the theme and see what we could get. 00:05:43.200 --> 00:05:51.100 We'd need to determine if we want to do it through the formal process or just do it locally, 00:05:51.100 --> 00:05:54.960 maybe through the Texas Sculpture Association or something of that nature. 00:05:54.960 --> 00:06:00.260 At that point, I guess, I can open up for discussion. 00:06:00.260 --> 00:06:07.360 >> Can I ask a question about, to clarify what you just said, Gary? 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:08.060 >> Sure. 00:06:08.060 --> 00:06:17.600 >> So are our options to approach our pre-qualified artists to see if any of them want 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:26.740 to submit a proposal or to release an RFP to the general public from scratch, like on Cafe 00:06:26.740 --> 00:06:30.340 or whatever, that anyone can submit to? 00:06:30.340 --> 00:06:34.040 And then the third option you said would be to invite specific options? 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:37.460 >> Yeah, I guess, or we could increase the budget. 00:06:38.200 --> 00:06:39.380 >> Right, okay. 00:06:39.380 --> 00:06:43.240 >> And sorry, Alicia, your earring is hitting the microphone again. 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.500 >> All right, yes, I was going to say that, too. 00:06:46.500 --> 00:06:58.160 I'm curious, the artists that were selected initially, were there more than a certain number, 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:05.980 looks like you chose certain artists, but were there more that you would have considered? 00:07:05.980 --> 00:07:10.480 And if so, would that be like a second tier you could reach out to? 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:20.880 >> I believe we reached out to all of the artists that were identified by the subcommittee. 00:07:20.880 --> 00:07:27.440 There were five, and we reached out to all five. 00:07:27.440 --> 00:07:28.240 >> Okay. 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:31.400 >> We reached out to two. 00:07:31.400 --> 00:07:33.440 >> Oh, to two on the dog park? 00:07:33.440 --> 00:07:34.100 >> Yes. 00:07:34.400 --> 00:07:39.020 >> My understanding of what Georgina just asked, and correct me if I'm wrong, Georgina, 00:07:39.020 --> 00:07:44.820 but did you just ask, I know a lot of people applied to get on our pre-qualified list. 00:07:44.820 --> 00:07:48.960 Are you asking about the people who didn't get to that pre-qualified list? 00:07:48.960 --> 00:07:54.200 >> No, I'm asking about the artists that were selected by the subcommittee, 00:07:54.200 --> 00:08:01.500 and if there were like, these were our top three, but there were then four, five, 00:08:01.500 --> 00:08:06.760 and six as other options that you didn't go for, could you reach 00:08:06.760 --> 00:08:09.780 out to that second tier of artists? 00:08:09.780 --> 00:08:16.440 Like, they weren't the first picked, but maybe they could be asked, you know, 00:08:16.440 --> 00:08:19.880 as your second set of artists. 00:08:19.880 --> 00:08:27.760 Based upon what Gary just said, though, if you identify five and only two were approached, 00:08:27.760 --> 00:08:30.840 would you not want to approach the other three? 00:08:31.840 --> 00:08:35.840 >> Yeah, that's the option that we could consider. 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:41.080 So, there were five, and it was Campbell and Gold that we reached out to in the scoring, 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:46.860 and then the other three were Cherry, Enoch, and Sarah, Sarah, Sarah, 00:08:46.860 --> 00:08:48.560 or something of that nature. 00:08:48.560 --> 00:08:53.320 So, that's definitely an option if we wanted to try that. 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:58.360 You know, we could do that fairly quickly, and then if they weren't interested, 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:02.900 then we could go with a Plan B, if you would suggest. 00:09:02.900 --> 00:09:09.160 >> Yeah, I think at least one or two of those artists that you just named were also being, 00:09:09.160 --> 00:09:18.020 are also being considered for the Women's Interracial Fellowship Project as well. 00:09:18.020 --> 00:09:26.020 So, if we found out now that they couldn't be available for this one, I don't know, 00:09:26.020 --> 00:09:28.940 maybe they would be available for the other, or we would know 00:09:28.940 --> 00:09:31.120 that they wouldn't be available for the other as well. 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:40.460 >> Yeah, I think for this project, the subcommittee had in mind a pretty specific concept, 00:09:40.460 --> 00:09:49.360 and so there weren't a large number of artists that met the project needs from the, 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:52.180 and even from just the general pre-qualified list. 00:09:52.180 --> 00:09:55.000 It was a pretty very narrow subset. 00:09:55.000 --> 00:10:03.660 And so, our thought with this project would be that it would benefit us the most to open it 00:10:03.660 --> 00:10:10.460 up to the biggest group of artists to try and get the concept or the style that we wanted 00:10:10.460 --> 00:10:12.900 that fit the subcommittee's idea. 00:10:12.900 --> 00:10:17.380 And so, we can reach out to the three other artists. 00:10:17.380 --> 00:10:23.240 I apologize, I thought we had, but I think that the issue was that when we narrowed it 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:28.120 down from five to the two, was even among those five, there wasn't consensus 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:34.160 that that second tier could even meet the concept of what they had in mind. 00:10:34.160 --> 00:10:39.560 >> Okay. 00:10:39.560 --> 00:10:49.240 >> Is there a way you can briefly describe that, or is that irrelevant right now, 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:50.520 what that concept is? 00:10:53.500 --> 00:10:55.260 >> I am muted. 00:10:55.260 --> 00:11:04.920 >> Sure. The subcommittee had an idea of wanting to do a very fun, playful, 00:11:04.920 --> 00:11:10.900 maybe even humorous sculpture since it was a dog park, and they liked the idea 00:11:10.900 --> 00:11:20.240 of displaying a human-dog interaction in some sort of kind of playful way. 00:11:20.520 --> 00:11:25.280 There weren't necessarily artists on the list that had demonstrated 00:11:25.280 --> 00:11:29.620 to the subcommittee that successfully. 00:11:29.620 --> 00:11:38.340 So, they thought they might be interested in opening it up to other groups or other artists. 00:11:38.340 --> 00:11:46.720 >> But Jessica, there are three artists who that subcommittee identified that, I don't know, 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:49.320 you're not giving that opportunity to. 00:11:50.100 --> 00:11:55.540 If you haven't reached out to those three as well, it seems to me, 00:11:55.540 --> 00:12:01.540 I'm not sure then why their names would have been included in that first pick. 00:12:01.540 --> 00:12:11.060 >> So, the subcommittee went through and they were scored. 00:12:11.060 --> 00:12:17.340 The top two were the highest scored ones, and the direction was to reach out to the top two 00:12:17.340 --> 00:12:18.800 and see if they were interested. 00:12:19.400 --> 00:12:24.500 >> John did that, and they both came back and said that the budget wasn't sufficient 00:12:24.500 --> 00:12:26.580 for what they would like to work on. 00:12:26.580 --> 00:12:34.360 So, at that point in time, we stopped, and that brings us to this point today. 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:40.960 >> But I get an understanding, Gary, why we would not want to take the next step 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:44.320 and explore those opportunities with the other three. 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:46.880 I mean, why were they even included? 00:12:49.420 --> 00:12:53.700 >> I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 00:12:53.700 --> 00:13:01.480 >> The subcommittee went through and selected who they felt their top few artists were, 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:07.040 and these were the top five out of everybody, and then they scored them from there. 00:13:07.040 --> 00:13:12.180 John, could you clarify which ones are in the running for the DWIF? 00:13:12.180 --> 00:13:16.140 >> Yes, thank you. 00:13:16.140 --> 00:13:19.540 This is John Whitmore, Programming Manager. 00:13:19.540 --> 00:13:27.380 What we have is, we have five that are now in the running for the DWIF, that would be Craig Campbell, 00:13:27.380 --> 00:13:34.120 and he was one of the ones that had showed initial interest verbally to do North Lakes, 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:40.280 but then said that the timing wasn't really right for him for what he was doing. 00:13:40.780 --> 00:13:47.620 The DWIF one is, has a much longer time to get it done, so I think he was much more attracted to it. 00:13:47.620 --> 00:13:55.140 Second one was Jane DeDecker, third is Dina Fisher, fourth is Denny Haskew, 00:13:55.140 --> 00:13:57.900 and the fifth was Virginia Kistler. 00:13:57.900 --> 00:14:07.760 >> Okay, so based off of that, Cherry, Enoch, and Cerro, we could still call them 00:14:07.760 --> 00:14:13.400 if the Public Art Committee would like us to do that, or we could go in a different direction 00:14:13.400 --> 00:14:21.320 and start over with a new RFQ, or go in a different direction based on what you guys feel. 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:29.480 >> I guess I just want to understand why we would not want to pursue those off the top. 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:31.920 I mean, we don't have to. 00:14:31.920 --> 00:14:36.940 I guess I'm just trying to understand why we wouldn't, if we came up with those five, 00:14:36.940 --> 00:14:41.100 why we wouldn't extend the offer to the other three. 00:14:41.100 --> 00:14:44.180 I don't know why we didn't reach out to the other three. 00:14:44.180 --> 00:14:46.520 That's all I think I'm trying to understand. 00:14:46.520 --> 00:14:51.240 >> Each subcommittee, though, is going through a process, and so they made their short list, 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:56.960 and then got together and discussed their concept and their ideas and what they wanted 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:00.520 to see in that art piece, and then they narrowed it down from there. 00:15:00.520 --> 00:15:04.100 So much like the discussion you had with the fellowship committee, 00:15:04.100 --> 00:15:07.540 there were artists that were eliminated during that process. 00:15:07.540 --> 00:15:10.620 So even though they had five initially, they went through, 00:15:10.620 --> 00:15:15.580 and after they kind of fully vetted their concepts, they eliminated three of the five, 00:15:15.580 --> 00:15:18.360 and then chose to move forward with just two, 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.480 because they felt those two best represented their concept. 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:25.580 >> Thank you. 00:15:25.580 --> 00:15:30.440 >> Are any of those subcommittee members here now, or is everybody absent? 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:31.760 >> Ed's here. 00:15:31.760 --> 00:15:32.920 >> Oh, Ed. Yeah. 00:15:32.920 --> 00:15:37.020 So, Ed, I guess I feel like you would be the one that could speak for that subcommittee, right, 00:15:37.020 --> 00:15:41.080 and say whether or not you think we should go to those other three first, 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:46.420 or if we should go to another option first. 00:15:46.420 --> 00:15:53.480 >> Well, I mean, I can offer my opinion on that. 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:57.540 I would hate to override the opinions of the other two subcommittee members. 00:16:01.900 --> 00:16:04.580 >> I feel like you should offer your opinion, because they're not here, 00:16:04.580 --> 00:16:08.400 and I feel like that project needs to probably try to move forward, right? 00:16:08.400 --> 00:16:13.300 >> Sure. Well, it makes sense to me to move to the other three, 00:16:13.300 --> 00:16:15.880 since they were part of the preselection. 00:16:15.880 --> 00:16:18.560 So that would be my opinion. 00:16:18.560 --> 00:16:20.660 That, to me, makes the most sense. 00:16:20.660 --> 00:16:30.460 >> It also seems like the fair thing to do, since they went under consideration. 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:40.020 >> Yeah, well, it would seem as the best and most sound process to work down the list. 00:16:40.020 --> 00:16:40.460 So, yeah. 00:16:40.460 --> 00:16:46.800 >> We could certainly reach out to them, you know, first thing Monday, 00:16:46.800 --> 00:16:53.260 and follow up with an email with the proposal, the scope of work. 00:16:53.260 --> 00:17:01.220 >> So, if you're looking to me as one of the one subcommittee member who's here, 00:17:01.220 --> 00:17:05.580 my preference would be to move to the three. 00:17:05.580 --> 00:17:14.820 My concern is, like the first two, the scope of this project is outside of their price range. 00:17:14.820 --> 00:17:18.740 The first, that was the issue, if I remember correctly, with the first two. 00:17:18.740 --> 00:17:24.140 I'm on a couple of subcommittees, so if that, if I'm getting these mixed up, please correct me. 00:17:24.140 --> 00:17:31.060 If the three that we then go to have the same issue on the email thread, 00:17:31.540 --> 00:17:36.940 it was mentioned to open this up to CAFE and receive bids through the CAFE process. 00:17:36.940 --> 00:17:39.400 That, to me, would be the next logical step. 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:47.340 >> Yes, that's a similar thing we'll discuss on the next project, the VELO project. 00:17:47.340 --> 00:17:54.840 We had this identical situation happen where all of the short lists chose not to submit, 00:17:54.840 --> 00:17:59.180 and so we presented different options on that project as well to the subcommittee. 00:17:59.600 --> 00:18:06.900 On this one, we had gotten to much more defined scope, and so there, those three, 00:18:06.900 --> 00:18:10.660 the other three were sort of eliminated in that process of once we kind of got 00:18:10.660 --> 00:18:15.960 to the defined scope, those other three didn't work in the media 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:19.400 that the more defined scope had listed. 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:23.040 So, this one was slightly different than the VELO project 00:18:23.040 --> 00:18:27.540 because there was a very specific vision for this, for this one. 00:18:27.540 --> 00:18:31.800 But we're happy to reach out to the three, and then if that doesn't work, 00:18:31.800 --> 00:18:34.980 we can let you know and send out a separate call. 00:18:34.980 --> 00:18:42.100 >> Yeah, the one thing I would say is that as an artist, sometimes the way you present yourself 00:18:42.100 --> 00:18:47.880 when you're doing an application for like a pre-qualified list, you know, 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:51.040 you're limited in the amount of images you can show. 00:18:51.040 --> 00:18:57.460 So, just because those artists don't show images of work that seems to fit with the concept 00:18:57.460 --> 00:18:59.740 doesn't mean that they wouldn't be capable of it. 00:18:59.740 --> 00:19:03.760 So, it does make sense to at least give them the opportunity 00:19:03.760 --> 00:19:08.080 to decline before opening up to everybody else. 00:19:08.080 --> 00:19:15.660 >> All right, we can do that. 00:19:15.660 --> 00:19:21.060 And then I'm going to go, we're going to have the same, and I apologize, 00:19:21.060 --> 00:19:23.620 we're having technical difficulties on my end. 00:19:23.620 --> 00:19:28.080 My screen keeps freezing, so y'all let me know if something, I can watch the live feed 00:19:28.080 --> 00:19:33.700 and see it's working, but if for some reason y'all lose me for a second, that's what's happening. 00:19:33.700 --> 00:19:37.640 So, we'll move on to the VELO project. 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:45.800 So, similar process for this one, the subcommittee reviewed artists, we did reach out to all 00:19:45.800 --> 00:19:51.760 of the artists that were on the short list, and we were declined for all of these. 00:19:52.760 --> 00:19:56.940 We reached out to the subcommittee again with some options, which was going back 00:19:56.940 --> 00:20:02.880 to the pre-qualified list to see if there were any other artists that they wanted to consider, 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:11.680 or did they want to issue a separate call through CAFE, or did they want to see 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:22.320 if they could allocate more funds to this project to see if that would generate interest again 00:20:22.320 --> 00:20:30.060 from the original list, and so we're kind of at the same point on this project that we were 00:20:30.060 --> 00:20:33.120 on the dog park, just with a little bit less defined. 00:20:33.120 --> 00:20:40.760 This has a much more open concept, and so there was a lot more kind of, 00:20:40.760 --> 00:20:47.680 there might be a possibility to go back to some of the artists on the list, take that. 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:54.740 When we, if we do decide to do a CAFE open call for proposals, we would obviously share 00:20:54.740 --> 00:20:58.140 that with our pre-qualified artists, right? 00:20:58.140 --> 00:21:00.820 So, it would be an opportunity to do that still. 00:21:00.820 --> 00:21:01.160 >> Yes. 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:11.060 >> Jessica, I think based on the subcommittee, I can jump in here, but based off of, I think, 00:21:11.060 --> 00:21:17.100 Alicia and Ed agreed with her as to draft and issue a separate call for a proposal on CAFE. 00:21:17.700 --> 00:21:19.880 Is that correct, summarize? 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:22.380 >> Yes, that was the subcommittee direction. 00:21:22.380 --> 00:21:32.740 But no, they're not eliminated from consideration if any of the artists 00:21:32.740 --> 00:21:34.660 on the pre-qualified list want to submit. 00:21:34.660 --> 00:21:39.420 They're absolutely welcome to submit, and we can make sure that they're notified 00:21:39.420 --> 00:21:41.440 that we're putting out an open call. 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:48.400 >> Can we also say something, or is this, I don't know what the rules around this would be, 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:53.220 but would we be able to say that if any pre-qualified artists did apply, 00:21:53.220 --> 00:21:56.100 they would be given, like, special consideration 00:21:56.100 --> 00:21:58.660 since they already jumped through all of those hoops? 00:21:58.660 --> 00:22:03.180 >> I don't know. 00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:10.440 I would have to check with our purchasing department on what, how we would score those. 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:25.300 >> Okay. Are we comfortable with pursuing the new open call? 00:22:25.300 --> 00:22:31.600 And then I can follow up with Alicia regarding her question. 00:22:31.600 --> 00:22:39.100 >> Sounds appropriate to me. 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:49.220 >> Okay. I'm going to try to share again. 00:22:49.220 --> 00:22:52.160 This is where it gets tricky every time. 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:58.040 All right. 00:22:58.040 --> 00:23:02.740 So Tennis Center, I think we can pause on this one for now. 00:23:02.740 --> 00:23:06.000 We're trying to get some of the other projects that have tighter deadlines done. 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:11.960 So this one is going to stay in the upcoming category for now. 00:23:12.600 --> 00:23:17.000 And the next project is the Fire Station 3 project. 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:24.140 Like some other projects, we've had some issues with identifying artists for this particular project. 00:23:24.140 --> 00:23:31.620 I believe, Drew, if you're there, you had reached out to some artists 00:23:31.620 --> 00:23:36.940 who had done some fence work before or had some ideas if you want to jump on. 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:43.280 So we wanted to give you like three different options for this take for the fencing. 00:23:43.280 --> 00:23:46.020 I know this is for the fencing at the fire station. 00:23:46.020 --> 00:23:51.500 So option one would to be, would to go with an artistic fence. 00:23:51.500 --> 00:23:57.880 I know Chief Boots came to us last time and showed us, you know, his different kind of vision 00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:04.300 on what the firemen kind of wanted at their fire station with their artistic look at the fence. 00:24:04.300 --> 00:24:10.200 So that'd be option one. Option two is let the firemen build the fence that they want 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:16.980 and add a pedestal to the Fire Station 3 for an art piece. 00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:26.100 Option three would be to put a cedar wood slat on wood slat fence with a pedestal for an art piece. 00:24:26.100 --> 00:24:31.900 And then option one, we can have an alternate and add a pedestal also for an art piece there. 00:24:35.300 --> 00:24:38.940 So I kind of want to leave it up to the committee on the three different options. 00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:44.580 So option one, like I said, it would be the fence that Chief Boots brought us last time 00:24:44.580 --> 00:24:45.520 with our artistic look. 00:24:45.520 --> 00:24:52.980 It's a core 10 steel fence and it has different kind of fire logos cut into it, you know, 00:24:52.980 --> 00:24:55.460 with a pedestal as an, you know, as an alternate. 00:24:55.460 --> 00:25:01.860 Option two, let them build their fence on a different, you know, kind of account. 00:25:02.100 --> 00:25:07.300 And we would have our, you know, the PAC would have an option to put their, 00:25:07.300 --> 00:25:10.300 to decide on an art piece for a pedestal. 00:25:10.300 --> 00:25:15.100 And then option three would just be a wood fence for the Fire Station and then an art, 00:25:15.100 --> 00:25:19.060 you know, an art piece on a pedestal at a determined location. 00:25:19.060 --> 00:25:28.440 >> Would there be a price differential on those three options? 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:29.560 >> Yes, ma'am. 00:25:29.560 --> 00:25:34.460 So the fence itself is about, the fence that the firemen want is about 30,000. 00:25:34.460 --> 00:25:40.620 So if for whatever reason, you know, you know, you did, you know, 00:25:40.620 --> 00:25:45.420 PAC didn't decide that that's the way we needed to go, then we would have to, 00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:46.700 or help them find a way. 00:25:46.700 --> 00:25:52.620 And I say us as parks, the city would have to find a way to help, you know, fund their fence. 00:25:52.960 --> 00:26:01.860 Option two, you know, we would just tile this into one artist to do everything, 00:26:01.860 --> 00:26:05.020 the sculpture or art piece and the fence. 00:26:05.020 --> 00:26:08.000 And then option three would just be a sculpture or art piece. 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:17.260 So, Gary, forgive me if I'm wrong, how much extra money do we have? 00:26:17.260 --> 00:26:20.600 I'm drawing a blank at the moment. 00:26:20.600 --> 00:26:22.420 >> Yeah, let me pull it up. 00:26:22.420 --> 00:26:25.560 There was, I think it was like $60,000 that we have total. 00:26:25.560 --> 00:26:25.700 >> Okay. 00:26:25.700 --> 00:26:31.320 >> Now, and the fence itself is 30, so we could probably put another 30 to an art piece. 00:26:31.320 --> 00:26:34.960 >> And where is that money coming from? 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:45.020 >> There were funds that were identified from, I believe, the central fire station. 00:26:45.020 --> 00:26:45.780 >> Yes. 00:26:45.780 --> 00:26:46.760 >> Projects. 00:26:46.760 --> 00:26:52.120 I don't have the amount off the top of my head, but we were finishing up and closing 00:26:52.120 --> 00:26:57.020 out projects and in the process discovered that there were funds that were dedicated 00:26:57.020 --> 00:27:00.420 to that project that weren't needed since it's completed and that we would be able 00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:03.760 to shift to another public safety project. 00:27:03.760 --> 00:27:19.520 >> So, if we did the fence and the sculpture, we would have $30,000 for the fence 00:27:19.520 --> 00:27:21.940 and 30,000 for the sculpture? 00:27:23.020 --> 00:27:24.280 >> Yes, approximately. 00:27:24.280 --> 00:27:28.780 And then it, depending on, so we have two bids right now, we're working on a third 00:27:28.780 --> 00:27:34.280 for the fence and the lowest bid right now is 26, the second one's around 32. 00:27:34.280 --> 00:27:38.380 So, normally your third bid is either really, really high or somewhere 00:27:38.380 --> 00:27:40.580 in the middle of those two bids, so. 00:27:40.580 --> 00:27:46.200 >> But the portion that we would pay for would just be for the artistic, 00:27:46.560 --> 00:27:52.400 the artistic attachment versus the fence. 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.760 We're not paying for the fence, we're paying for the art, right? 00:27:55.760 --> 00:28:05.000 >> If you choose, if you choose option three and the fireman go ahead and want their, 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:08.620 their fence that they've helped design, then yes, that'll be the case. 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:17.180 >> But the extra money from, Jessica, the extra money from coming from fire, 00:28:17.180 --> 00:28:21.260 central fire can be spent just on the fence, correct? 00:28:21.260 --> 00:28:24.660 >> It has to be spent on art. 00:28:24.660 --> 00:28:24.960 >> Okay. 00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:25.060 >> Yes. 00:28:25.060 --> 00:28:35.740 >> If I remember correctly, they had specific security requirements for that fence 00:28:35.740 --> 00:28:37.580 that was part of their design, is that correct? 00:28:37.580 --> 00:28:38.460 >> Yes, sir. 00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:46.340 >> And they have the resources to do that. 00:28:46.340 --> 00:28:57.140 >> Not necessarily, so this, they have been assuming that the $25,000 that were allocated 00:28:57.140 --> 00:29:02.900 to this committee would cover the artistic fence installation. 00:29:02.900 --> 00:29:03.560 >> Right. 00:29:03.560 --> 00:29:10.760 >> So, that does not have an additional $25,000 to pay for a fence outside 00:29:10.760 --> 00:29:14.060 of the $25,000 that were allocated to the committee. 00:29:14.060 --> 00:29:26.480 So, they have not been able, so the fence piece would be a cost overrun on that project 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:33.680 if they were to absorb it elsewhere and unfortunately Drew or myself can't make 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:40.140 that decision, we would have to go try and identify with our facilities team 00:29:40.140 --> 00:29:42.440 if there was some way to make that happen. 00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:48.480 >> Okay. Jessica, I'm going to try to repeat back what I think I heard 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:55.040 and what I think keeps bringing us back to this place where we're not sure how to move forward. 00:29:55.040 --> 00:30:02.680 The way I remember it and Ed, correct me if I'm wrong, the PAC was prepared to pay 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:07.840 for the artistic rendering, whatever that was going to be. 00:30:08.520 --> 00:30:16.480 But we took issue with being charged anything for the fence. 00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:24.000 >> Well, so it's a bit messy when you think about it because you can have a piece of art 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:28.240 that functions as a barrier between different things. 00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:37.780 But at the point, it becomes a necessary security feature for a building and that emphasis is 00:30:37.780 --> 00:30:43.200 on security and not on the artistic element, my personal opinion is you're now talking 00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:47.280 about something that is, performs a specific function 00:30:47.280 --> 00:30:49.060 for the building and is not a piece of art. 00:30:49.060 --> 00:30:54.120 >> And that's what you said at that time. 00:30:54.120 --> 00:30:58.060 >> Right, and that's my opinion. 00:30:58.060 --> 00:31:02.700 I, you know, I've seen pieces before that functioned as barriers 00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:05.780 and I also am very familiar with building security. 00:31:05.780 --> 00:31:09.860 I've done security camera installations and other type of security installations 00:31:09.860 --> 00:31:16.480 and you're talking two completely different worlds, security and an artistic barrier. 00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:19.960 So that's where the boggle presents itself. 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:27.140 >> I have a question though, I wonder if they're like the fence contractor, whoever would, 00:31:27.140 --> 00:31:31.380 whoever has given us bids to actually build it, right? 00:31:31.940 --> 00:31:41.480 If it's possible for them to kind of outline the different parameters 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:46.240 within which an artist would have to work within in order for the fence to maintain 00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:56.200 that aspect of security, so for example, the largest opening or something, like if there's going 00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:02.200 to be negative spaces cut out of it, they can't be any wider than three to four inches 00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:08.800 or whatever the actual parameters would be and then obviously it would have to be more 00:32:08.800 --> 00:32:14.660 of a graphic artist, but an artist could decide on the actual designs 00:32:14.660 --> 00:32:21.600 that are cut into the fence, right, based on working within those parameters. 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.240 [ Laughter ] 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:34.300 >> Know that we think it's going to be the most talked about fence in Denton's history. 00:32:34.300 --> 00:32:37.780 >> I'm kidding, I'm still of the opinion that there's two separate things. 00:32:37.780 --> 00:32:44.560 I made the comment on the last meeting, you don't see very many master locks 00:32:44.560 --> 00:32:47.740 that have a super artistic element. 00:32:47.740 --> 00:32:52.400 Yeah, they may have something, some sort of silly, you know, for kids, placement on the front 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.800 or larger numbers or what have you, but it's still a master lock. 00:32:55.280 --> 00:32:57.280 It still functions as a lock. 00:32:57.280 --> 00:33:03.440 What we're trying to do here, just for me, from a design perspective, makes no sense. 00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:11.140 I think you either have an artistic piece that functions as a barrier or you have a secure fence 00:33:11.140 --> 00:33:15.820 and you have option three where there is a piece of art that is on display 00:33:15.820 --> 00:33:18.740 in front of your functional secure fence. 00:33:18.740 --> 00:33:23.540 I think the path that we're going down on trying to merge these two things, 00:33:23.540 --> 00:33:29.000 I don't know that, you know, if we had a million dollars to throw at it, sure, 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:34.660 we could find someone out there who could come up with the most revolutionary secure piece of art 00:33:34.660 --> 00:33:36.940 that would function as a fence, but that's not what we're talking about here. 00:33:36.940 --> 00:33:45.700 >> So I'll do, in my sculpture program, we do a lot of plasma cut steel with like CNC plasma cutters. 00:33:45.700 --> 00:33:54.780 So I'm really familiar with cutting out patterns and designs into quartet steel and then using those 00:33:54.780 --> 00:33:57.160 as walls or barriers in different ways. 00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.700 Some of my students have done projects like that. 00:33:59.700 --> 00:34:04.320 So I don't think it's, I understand your point about how it's very, 00:34:04.320 --> 00:34:11.180 it could be potentially very complicated, but I think like to create a design that gets cut out 00:34:11.180 --> 00:34:15.860 of a piece of steel is definitely within the realm of a visual artist. 00:34:15.860 --> 00:34:23.300 >> Sure, but will that visual artist have an understanding of the necessary security requirements? 00:34:23.300 --> 00:34:27.840 >> Like I said, I think all they would need to know is like no space is cut 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:29.980 out within that surface could be required. 00:34:29.980 --> 00:34:33.380 >> Well, the surface of the material, I mean, there's a lot of different, 00:34:33.380 --> 00:34:38.940 when you actually start diving into security documents and requirements, 00:34:38.940 --> 00:34:43.680 it's a lot more complicated than just, you know, the size of holes cut in it, is my point. 00:34:43.680 --> 00:34:48.380 >> I think it comes down to two issues. 00:34:48.380 --> 00:34:51.740 One are the resources to get it done. 00:34:51.740 --> 00:35:00.340 The fire station needs to add a fence and maybe if we didn't do, 00:35:00.340 --> 00:35:07.340 if there wasn't an art piece incorporated and they had the, you know, the resources to move forward 00:35:07.340 --> 00:35:11.940 with creating their fence, then we, they could come back to us 00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:19.840 with the fence having been created and we be open to adding our artistic piece 00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:24.180 to that fence or around it or whatever. 00:35:24.180 --> 00:35:32.820 So for me, I'm still, I'm stuck on whether or not the holdup has to do with the money 00:35:33.620 --> 00:35:42.620 and not taking on the responsibility as a pat for the fire station building its own fence. 00:35:42.620 --> 00:35:45.080 Did I make it harder? 00:35:45.080 --> 00:35:45.880 I hope not. 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:50.960 >> No, I think we all understand what the challenge is. 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:54.860 I think you're clearly articulating it. 00:35:54.860 --> 00:35:56.720 There is a financial challenge. 00:35:56.720 --> 00:36:01.080 This project has existed for a long time and the fire department has been counting 00:36:01.080 --> 00:36:06.160 on having an artistic fence funded by these dollars that were set aside. 00:36:06.160 --> 00:36:11.840 I don't know which members were on the committee when that decision was made, 00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:14.820 but the fire station has been operating with that assumption. 00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:18.640 So they have not reserved other funds for the fence. 00:36:18.640 --> 00:36:21.180 That project doesn't have any other funds. 00:36:21.180 --> 00:36:27.240 >> I was on that original, I was on that original subcommittee and it was Millie Giles 00:36:27.240 --> 00:36:33.560 and Jerry Veder and at that time, it was they had the funds to build their own fence, 00:36:33.560 --> 00:36:36.700 but they would like it if we could come up with something 00:36:36.700 --> 00:36:39.540 that would function as an artistic fence. 00:36:39.540 --> 00:36:43.260 It wasn't a matter of they didn't have the funds at that time when we originally started. 00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:44.560 >> That's right, Ed. 00:36:44.560 --> 00:36:49.820 They did have the funds and they wanted us to contribute that $25,000 00:36:49.820 --> 00:36:53.440 to use that for an artistic addition. 00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:54.680 >> Correct. 00:36:55.200 --> 00:36:58.300 >> Joe and I have had conversations with them because we thought 00:36:58.300 --> 00:37:02.300 that the fastest path forward would be the simplest, right? 00:37:02.300 --> 00:37:06.540 The fence gets built and then the art gets added by the committee separately. 00:37:06.540 --> 00:37:09.040 We were told that wasn't an option. 00:37:09.040 --> 00:37:11.860 So we're still trying to fund. 00:37:11.860 --> 00:37:14.240 >> You were told by whom that wasn't an option? 00:37:14.240 --> 00:37:17.920 >> That the project didn't have any funds for the fence. 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.240 >> I swear to you, it's got to be in the minutes. 00:37:21.240 --> 00:37:26.700 I mean, just like we're talking about it right now so passionately, it was even more passionate 00:37:26.700 --> 00:37:35.220 at that time and we came to that kind of agreement that they would, yeah, they did have money. 00:37:35.220 --> 00:37:43.260 >> So I think the simplest thing or the simplest path that we can go forward due to, you know, 00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:52.360 the circumstances, we did go out and we got a bid for the, you know, the board on board fence. 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:56.520 So it would be Cedar Plank fence, just a normal, something that you see kind 00:37:56.520 --> 00:38:00.760 of in a residential area instead of six foot tall, it's going to be eight foot tall. 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:06.600 It's, the cost was, it's not, it's only 60 feet, 60 linear feet of the fence. 00:38:06.600 --> 00:38:09.760 So you're looking at approximately $3,000. 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:15.000 That's something they can probably come up with and then we can, you know, the PAC can say, hey, 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:20.600 we don't want to do the fence, but we do want to do an art piece and then we can go 00:38:20.600 --> 00:38:22.580 through CAFE to get an artist for an art piece. 00:38:22.580 --> 00:38:27.140 Does that sound like a way we want to move with this? 00:38:27.140 --> 00:38:30.120 >> That sounds reasonable to me. 00:38:30.120 --> 00:38:31.020 What do you think, Georgina? 00:38:31.020 --> 00:38:32.100 >> I agree. 00:38:32.100 --> 00:38:32.760 >> Okay. 00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.520 >> And then maybe it'll actually happen. 00:38:35.520 --> 00:38:35.880 >> Yes. 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.820 >> Instead of trying to design something 00:38:39.820 --> 00:38:40.700 that doesn't exist. 00:38:40.700 --> 00:38:41.280 >> Okay. 00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:41.380 >> Yeah. 00:38:41.380 --> 00:38:45.780 >> All right, do, Jessica, we need to take, do they need to take a vote on that 00:38:45.780 --> 00:38:47.300 or do we just need to move forward? 00:38:47.300 --> 00:38:55.920 >> I don't know that, let's take it to the fire department and make sure that they're agreeable 00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.360 to this solution unless you already know that information 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.520 and then we can bring it back at the next meeting to formalize. 00:39:02.520 --> 00:39:03.480 >> Okay, we'll do that. 00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:09.280 I mean, I think this is simplest because, you know, we haven't been at a, 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:15.120 many of these meetings with you, but at the last two that we have had, this seemed to be in, 00:39:15.120 --> 00:39:18.080 you know, some contention on what this actually needs to be. 00:39:18.080 --> 00:39:21.540 I think with the fire station coming along and as quickly as, you know, 00:39:21.540 --> 00:39:25.500 it's going to be up and running, our easiest step forward is just say, hey, 00:39:25.500 --> 00:39:30.140 we're going to build a, you know, a wooden fence, you're going to build a wooden fence now, 00:39:30.140 --> 00:39:33.180 the PAC will add an art piece later, so. 00:39:34.640 --> 00:39:40.480 >> And I think really that is in line with the function of the public art committee. 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:45.340 We're not in the business of building fences, we're in the business of public art. 00:39:45.340 --> 00:39:46.620 >> Okay, then we'll do that. 00:39:46.620 --> 00:39:49.100 >> Very good. 00:39:49.100 --> 00:39:54.420 >> I guess the second phase of that, is there any direction or thought in regards 00:39:54.420 --> 00:39:57.900 to what that art is, is there a look and feel or a theme? 00:39:57.900 --> 00:40:02.020 Has that been discussed at all or is that for a future discussion? 00:40:03.020 --> 00:40:06.500 >> It was at the time and there were a couple of renderings 00:40:06.500 --> 00:40:10.180 that were actually provided, I believe, by the fire department. 00:40:10.180 --> 00:40:14.320 But I think we would have to go back and revisit it all together. 00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.540 >> Okay, we can do that. 00:40:16.540 --> 00:40:23.620 >> Okay. Let's go back to the presentation. 00:40:23.620 --> 00:40:31.280 Okay, so the next project is the foundations of our history mural. 00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:37.280 And last night, we held the public input meeting and got great feedback 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.040 in regards to that project. 00:40:40.040 --> 00:40:47.180 Very, very well liked and everyone likes the idea of preserving 00:40:47.180 --> 00:40:51.800 and recreating Mr. Hedspeth's fence and then that bridge. 00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:53.660 I know Monet was there last night. 00:40:53.660 --> 00:40:56.860 I think Georgina, you were there last night and got to see 00:40:56.860 --> 00:40:59.540 that presentation and hear from the artist. 00:41:00.180 --> 00:41:07.000 One thing that we have had is that we didn't anticipate an administrative fee 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:13.040 from Union Pacific Railroad to review the application to paint the bridge. 00:41:13.040 --> 00:41:14.600 We do have to have their permission. 00:41:14.600 --> 00:41:22.080 That fee costs $1,025 and that is where we are in that project. 00:41:22.080 --> 00:41:28.380 When we pay that fee, they will start processing the application to paint that bridge. 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:34.660 And so, as of right now, the original budget was $11,000 00:41:34.660 --> 00:41:39.380 and the Public Art Committee was providing $9,150. 00:41:39.380 --> 00:41:45.380 If you'll remember, Keep Dittin' Beautiful had chipped in the remainder of funds. 00:41:45.380 --> 00:41:50.980 And so, with Keep Dittin' Beautiful being absorbed back into the city, 00:41:50.980 --> 00:41:55.260 there's not a fundraising arm for that committee anymore. 00:41:55.260 --> 00:42:01.900 So, our request would be, there are some still hot funds left over from this program year. 00:42:01.900 --> 00:42:07.380 So, our request of the committee would be consideration of using hot funds to cover 00:42:07.380 --> 00:42:10.960 that administrative fee and get that project going. 00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:15.860 And so, I will stop sharing so we can talk about that one. 00:42:15.860 --> 00:42:17.260 I do apologize. 00:42:17.260 --> 00:42:20.500 I know we've come back twice for additional funds on this project. 00:42:20.500 --> 00:42:27.060 I know this project has a lot of community support and a community interest and so, 00:42:27.060 --> 00:42:29.120 we want to make sure that it happens. 00:42:29.120 --> 00:42:35.560 And so, we just want to present this opportunity to the committee again. 00:42:35.560 --> 00:42:39.380 >> I'll move the lead. 00:42:39.380 --> 00:42:45.620 >> I just have a question before we move anywhere. 00:42:45.620 --> 00:42:46.740 It's just a quick question. 00:42:47.200 --> 00:42:50.720 So, this administrative fee is to just submit an application 00:42:50.720 --> 00:42:53.080 and then could they just deny that application? 00:42:53.080 --> 00:42:56.960 >> It's to review the application. 00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:00.540 And Autumn, if you're, is Autumn out of the roster? 00:43:00.540 --> 00:43:02.920 >> Yeah, I think we can. 00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:06.280 >> It's just to review the application. 00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:08.360 >> Interesting. 00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:16.960 >> Alicia, we, Keep Dittin' Beautiful, Autumn and Carly went through the process. 00:43:17.380 --> 00:43:21.000 On the other mural, so this is, I guess, new. 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.320 They didn't have to do this in the past. 00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:29.040 So, I wouldn't anticipate it being an issue since we got approval, you know, 00:43:29.040 --> 00:43:31.160 a year and a half or so ago for the other mural. 00:43:31.160 --> 00:43:36.320 So, I don't foresee it as a concern that it's not going to happen. 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:42.440 It's taken a while to get in contact with them and get a response to this point. 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:48.280 I think they've been trying since this, at least early summer, to try to get in touch with them. 00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:50.720 So, it's been a process and a challenge. 00:43:50.720 --> 00:43:55.480 >> I guess it's just a good thing to keep in mind, I guess, if we ever want to paint 00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:58.520 on any of the other bridges, huh? 00:43:58.520 --> 00:44:05.120 >> Yeah. We have noted it now for future projects. 00:44:05.120 --> 00:44:10.360 >> Okay. Now you can do your motions, if people wanted to. 00:44:13.200 --> 00:44:16.080 >> I'll move to approve it, some of them. 00:44:16.080 --> 00:44:19.300 >> I'll second. 00:44:19.300 --> 00:44:23.380 All in favor? 00:44:23.380 --> 00:44:25.280 Alicia? 00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:26.120 >> Aye. 00:44:26.120 --> 00:44:27.840 >> Fred? 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:30.460 >> Aye. 00:44:30.460 --> 00:44:31.740 >> Ed? 00:44:31.740 --> 00:44:32.540 >> Aye. 00:44:32.540 --> 00:44:34.060 >> Gary? 00:44:34.060 --> 00:44:35.280 >> Aye. 00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:41.900 >> That's everyone. 00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:52.440 Next, let me switch back, get that shared, all right. 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:56.060 So, the other project that we presented last night 00:44:56.060 --> 00:45:00.680 at the community input session was the MLK Junior Rec Center Sculpture. 00:45:00.680 --> 00:45:06.440 We have been discussing this project with Madeline and she is ready 00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:08.760 to get moving on it as well. 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:13.880 Last night, we got some guidance on the type of limestone that she'll be using 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.720 for the project as well as a different location. 00:45:17.720 --> 00:45:23.460 So, it will actually be the community input, there was positive feedback 00:45:23.460 --> 00:45:28.000 for moving it closer to the building itself so that people would be able to interact 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:31.980 with it more regularly and it would be a focal point at the front 00:45:31.980 --> 00:45:34.560 of the recreation center instead of out by the road. 00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:39.600 There were some concern that where she had proposed locating it 00:45:39.600 --> 00:45:48.500 that it might damage the roots of some of the trees because of the depth of the concrete pad site 00:45:48.500 --> 00:45:51.760 that was going to have to be built for the weight of the sculptures. 00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:55.900 And so, we definitely don't want to damage the trees in the process. 00:45:55.900 --> 00:45:59.700 And so, there's a proposal to move it to a different location. 00:46:00.060 --> 00:46:06.380 It'll be where the flagpole is for those who are familiar with the rec center itself, 00:46:06.380 --> 00:46:09.900 but right front and center as you're driving in and see the front of the rec center. 00:46:09.900 --> 00:46:15.900 And then, Gary, am I forgetting anything on that one? 00:46:15.900 --> 00:46:22.460 >> No. I'll let Drew, Drew was the point person on that discussion. 00:46:22.460 --> 00:46:27.360 >> So, I think the conversation in our meeting last night went really well. 00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:32.280 We did go out, you know, earlier in yesterday to look at the different areas. 00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:36.120 And like I said, or like Jessica said, you know, we were really concerned 00:46:36.120 --> 00:46:41.360 where the original idea of where the sculptures were going to go, one, for accessibility, 00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:44.240 and two, it was going to be in the drip line of the trees. 00:46:44.240 --> 00:46:48.100 So, installing any kind of foundation for the sculpture, you know, 00:46:48.100 --> 00:46:53.620 anytime you dig in and around the trees, you risk damaging and hurting those trees 00:46:53.620 --> 00:46:57.900 and the tree roots, so we picked two different other areas. 00:46:57.900 --> 00:47:00.820 One of those, being closer to the bus stop, it's kind of hidden. 00:47:00.820 --> 00:47:06.900 You can't see it due to the trees that are also over there and the bus stop that's there. 00:47:06.900 --> 00:47:11.520 And so, really just, you know, knowing how much it costs to, you know, 00:47:11.520 --> 00:47:16.740 install those flagpoles, it seems to us that the best bet is for parks 00:47:16.740 --> 00:47:23.460 to relocate the flagpole at MLK and then have that area completely redone 00:47:23.860 --> 00:47:31.400 in the front of MLK 1, so MLK staff can see, you know, what's going on out there. 00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:35.420 And, you know, the kids sit in that area and wait on their parents to pick them up, 00:47:35.420 --> 00:47:40.420 or people just kind of like to sit out front and enjoy, you know, just being outside, 00:47:40.420 --> 00:47:42.020 especially in the cooler days. 00:47:42.020 --> 00:47:47.740 So, having the sculptures moved to the area where the flagpole is was a consensus 00:47:47.740 --> 00:47:51.860 and voted, you know, kind of gave a thumb, everyone kind of gave their thumbs 00:47:51.860 --> 00:47:53.040 up for that location. 00:47:54.020 --> 00:47:57.240 And then, of course, once the sculpture is in, 00:47:57.240 --> 00:48:01.620 we would parks within re-landscape that area and beautify it. 00:48:01.620 --> 00:48:11.440 And that area does have full accessibility with ramps and sidewalks and everything. 00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:17.560 >> If there are no questions on that one, I'll go to the next. 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:26.000 So, I think the last project that we have is the Denton Women's Interracial Fellowship 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:31.060 Monument that subcommittee has been meeting weekly or bi-weekly over the past few weeks, 00:48:31.060 --> 00:48:33.000 making a lot of progress. 00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:37.360 We're currently down to a short list of artists and have reached 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:43.320 out for preliminary proposals or concepts for the subcommittee to review. 00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:48.840 And we've gotten a lot of positive feedback from artists on that project. 00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:55.700 Remember that we are partnering with Denton Parks Foundation for additional fundraising. 00:48:55.700 --> 00:49:00.000 But I'm happy to announce that as of 1/30 today, it's official. 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:04.160 The city of Denton has been awarded $28,000 from the Texas Commission 00:49:04.160 --> 00:49:05.920 on the Arts for that project. 00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:15.220 And so, we're very excited for that and we had originally budgeted $40,000 00:49:15.220 --> 00:49:17.700 for the -- or requested $40,000 for the grant. 00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:23.200 So, because we were awarded $12,000 less, we had, if you'll remember, 00:49:23.200 --> 00:49:27.860 set aside funds in the case that we didn't get the grant at all. 00:49:27.860 --> 00:49:33.800 So, in this case, we just will have $12,000 from our hot funds, either from -- 00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:39.700 remaining from this project year or a little bit from the 2021 project year, 00:49:39.700 --> 00:49:43.000 but not nearly the amount that we had set aside. 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:45.660 So, we're very, very excited. 00:49:45.660 --> 00:49:47.460 This project is moving forward. 00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:51.180 And we're really happy that the Texas Commission 00:49:51.180 --> 00:49:54.340 on the Arts saw the value of this project. 00:49:54.340 --> 00:49:58.980 And I know that -- and we have a couple subcommittee members that are actually here today, 00:49:58.980 --> 00:50:06.860 that there were some really creative discussion and really creative artists and different ideas. 00:50:06.860 --> 00:50:11.660 So, we're excited to see what concepts we get back. 00:50:12.020 --> 00:50:18.240 So, I will take this down just in case we need to talk about if Alicia or Georgina want 00:50:18.240 --> 00:50:21.200 to discuss their work on the subcommittee. 00:50:21.200 --> 00:50:26.540 That subcommittee has putting in a lot of hours and work, so we're really thankful. 00:50:26.540 --> 00:50:32.280 They've done a lot of legwork knowing that in the event that we got the grant that we were going 00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:37.880 to have to move very quickly because the project has to be completed by August 31st of 2021. 00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:42.040 So, that's not a long time for a major art project. 00:50:42.040 --> 00:50:43.460 So, thank you. 00:50:43.460 --> 00:50:47.780 >> I just want to congratulate the city on getting that grant. 00:50:47.780 --> 00:50:51.780 Congrats. And would love to receive a copy of it. 00:50:51.780 --> 00:50:54.080 >> Thanks. 00:50:54.080 --> 00:50:58.200 >> All right. 00:50:58.200 --> 00:51:04.080 >> Jessica, do you want John to give a little update and kind of where he's at with -- 00:51:04.080 --> 00:51:05.540 >> Yeah, John, I didn't see you. 00:51:05.540 --> 00:51:07.240 So, you're still here. 00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:08.820 >> I'm still here. 00:51:08.820 --> 00:51:09.840 All right. 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:15.200 So, what we've done is we've created the scope of work, and rather than sending out just 00:51:15.200 --> 00:51:19.400 to a few artists, we sent it out to seven artists so that we wouldn't get 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:22.080 in the same situation as Vela and MLK. 00:51:22.080 --> 00:51:27.440 And we were very fortunate that we had responses back from the five artists out of the seven. 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:33.640 One of the ones that did not -- that was on some of the other lists was Enoch 00:51:33.640 --> 00:51:37.700 and Huther declined to be able to do it. 00:51:37.700 --> 00:51:44.000 But we have those five I mentioned earlier, Campbell, Dedecker, Fisher, Haskew, and Kistler. 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:49.720 And one of them contacted me for just to talk a little bit about it and said that she -- 00:51:49.720 --> 00:51:53.420 her background actually is very close to as her mom did that, where she grew up. 00:51:53.420 --> 00:51:56.320 So, she's got a bond to it. 00:51:56.320 --> 00:52:00.060 So, it'd be interesting to see what people come up with based on that. 00:52:00.060 --> 00:52:04.960 They're supposed to get their proposals to us by the 21st. 00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:08.700 And we hope to have the next subcommittee meeting a couple of days after that, 00:52:08.700 --> 00:52:12.760 and maybe the 25th, so that you have enough time to review what the proposals are 00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:14.520 so we can talk about it. 00:52:14.520 --> 00:52:21.620 Any questions? 00:52:21.620 --> 00:52:32.060 >> Well, congrats on -- I know that everyone provided great feedback as we were going 00:52:32.060 --> 00:52:35.880 through that grant application process, so thank you to this committee. 00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:42.060 You guys, we pulled that one together very quickly, but it's a very worthwhile project, so. 00:52:42.060 --> 00:52:47.540 >> Thank you, Jessica, for your work on it. 00:52:47.540 --> 00:52:50.620 >> Okay. I think that's the end of our project. 00:52:50.620 --> 00:52:57.860 Let me just make sure -- oh, I was going to point out the location. 00:52:57.860 --> 00:53:00.800 So, we've identified this as the location. 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:08.100 This is the American Legion Senior Center that's under construction, and based on wanting 00:53:08.100 --> 00:53:14.540 to have visibility and access and lighting, that this location right here, kind of front 00:53:14.540 --> 00:53:18.540 and center in the entrance to the park, and next to the senior center, 00:53:18.540 --> 00:53:23.040 has been identified as the prime location for that project. 00:53:23.040 --> 00:53:28.220 >> I guess we should probably keep in mind what's happening 00:53:28.220 --> 00:53:34.940 with the Madeline Wiener sculptures with the trees and the roots and stuff, as this moves forward, huh? 00:53:34.940 --> 00:53:41.260 >> Yes. So, that area is -- and John can help speak to this, and if you haven't been by there, 00:53:41.260 --> 00:53:48.320 I'd really encourage you to drive over on Lakey Street in front of, you know, ALH. 00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:57.800 That area, it looks kind of different on Google, but when you go yourself, it's actually very open, so. 00:53:57.940 --> 00:53:59.060 >> Baseball field? 00:53:59.060 --> 00:54:03.860 >> Across the creek is the Fred Moore softball field, yes. 00:54:03.860 --> 00:54:07.640 >> There's a good distance between the trees there. 00:54:07.640 --> 00:54:12.720 So, what it'll do is it'll frame whatever the yard is very nicely through there. 00:54:12.720 --> 00:54:17.520 It's out of the drip line, and we shouldn't have a problem. 00:54:17.520 --> 00:54:19.560 >> Is that where the old building used to be, if they tore it down? 00:54:19.560 --> 00:54:22.420 >> There used to be an old pavilion in there, yes. 00:54:22.420 --> 00:54:25.480 >> I live right in front of it, so I was like, I'm trying to remember. 00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:30.200 >> Yeah, yeah, there used to be an old pavilion in there, and it was tore out probably five 00:54:30.200 --> 00:54:32.080 or six years ago, but yes. 00:54:32.080 --> 00:54:39.020 >> That is the end of the presentation. 00:54:39.020 --> 00:54:45.900 And so, with that, that covers all of our projects. 00:54:45.900 --> 00:54:52.420 So, are there any questions or any other information we can provide on those projects? 00:54:54.640 --> 00:54:55.320 >> It's a lot. 00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:57.080 There's a lot of projects going on right now. 00:54:57.080 --> 00:55:00.920 >> Jessica, we could just give a quick update. 00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:05.980 As of right now, we're trying to get the foundations of our history mural 00:55:05.980 --> 00:55:14.080 and the MLK sculpture to city council for approval on the design for October 15th. 00:55:14.080 --> 00:55:21.420 The -- if we can't do that, we'll push it to the 22nd, but we're trying to get approval this month 00:55:21.420 --> 00:55:23.760 so we can go out and start contracts. 00:55:25.040 --> 00:55:26.400 >> And start construction. 00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:29.420 >> All right. 00:55:29.420 --> 00:55:34.560 All right, that's it on the project updates. 00:55:34.560 --> 00:55:41.480 >> Item C, receive report, hold discussion against staff direction regarding the meeting dates 00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:44.560 and times, regular meetings of the PoliDAR committee. 00:55:44.560 --> 00:55:52.060 >> So, two of our committee members had reached out, and actually it might be three 00:55:52.060 --> 00:55:58.200 of our committee members had reached out that they are having difficulty meeting during the day due 00:55:58.200 --> 00:56:01.480 to work schedules, and we're trying to be sensitive to that. 00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:08.600 So, we wanted to allow the committee to discuss another time that may work for everyone. 00:56:08.600 --> 00:56:16.480 I will say that in COVID, we're unfortunately pretty restricted on when committees can meet. 00:56:16.600 --> 00:56:24.340 The instructions that staff has that committee meetings can start no later than 3 p.m. The reason 00:56:24.340 --> 00:56:30.780 for that is our DTV staff have to cover city council meetings and planning 00:56:30.780 --> 00:56:35.140 and zoning committee meetings and every single other board and committee meeting for the city 00:56:35.140 --> 00:56:38.760 of Denton right now because of the remote nature and the meeting production, 00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:40.400 and they're all being televised. 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:43.860 If you'll remember, we didn't have to televised before. 00:56:44.380 --> 00:56:51.300 So, in managing their schedules, only a few committees are allowed to meet outside 00:56:51.300 --> 00:56:54.660 of the normal eight to five hours. 00:56:54.660 --> 00:56:59.600 And so, we know that's a challenge for everyone. 00:56:59.600 --> 00:57:03.480 So, we do appreciate everyone's flexibility as we've gone through this. 00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:09.140 But if there's another time between during the day or another day of the week, 00:57:09.140 --> 00:57:11.780 that might be easier. 00:57:11.780 --> 00:57:18.620 Some of our committees meet around lunchtime and they tend to just keep it very limited 00:57:18.620 --> 00:57:29.140 to an hour and very strategically discussing, you know, just kind of the immediate issue. 00:57:29.140 --> 00:57:31.620 Other committees have taken a break. 00:57:31.620 --> 00:57:33.640 They're not actually meeting right now. 00:57:33.640 --> 00:57:39.140 They're allowing their items to go directly to city council and working 00:57:39.140 --> 00:57:43.660 through either a subcommittee or a task force and then just allowing items 00:57:43.660 --> 00:57:45.320 to go directly to city council. 00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:52.380 And we're certainly as staff members open to trying to figure out what works for the most people. 00:57:52.380 --> 00:57:57.100 But we wanted to be upfront what our limitations were from a staff perspective 00:57:57.100 --> 00:58:00.140 and what we're trying to accommodate as well. 00:58:00.140 --> 00:58:07.340 So, with that, if there's kind of discussion or an alternate time or day of the week 00:58:07.340 --> 00:58:09.700 that might work better for the committee, we can go back 00:58:09.700 --> 00:58:13.320 and research the committee schedule and see what could work. 00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:20.380 >> So, what committees other than Public Art Committee meet during the day? 00:58:20.380 --> 00:58:25.820 >> Just the committees that I manage, the Economic Development Partnership Board meets 00:58:25.820 --> 00:58:28.440 at 11 a.m. on the second Wednesday of the month. 00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:35.180 The Downtown TURS Board meets on the third or the fourth Wednesday of every other month. 00:58:35.720 --> 00:58:39.460 The Downtown Economic Development Committee meets at 8.30 in the mornings 00:58:39.460 --> 00:58:42.540 on the first Thursday of the month. 00:58:42.540 --> 00:58:48.600 I know Gary's Parks and Rec Board, I'm not sure if they're meeting right now. 00:58:48.600 --> 00:58:54.740 >> We generally meet at 6.30 in the evening, you know, before COVID. 00:58:54.740 --> 00:59:00.620 We've been meeting at 12.30 and I think we met at 2.30, one meeting. 00:59:00.620 --> 00:59:02.840 So, we've been inconsistent with our meetings. 00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:07.660 We've only had two that have been online since COVID hit, but we generally meet in the evening 00:59:07.660 --> 00:59:09.380 on Mondays, the first Monday of the month. 00:59:09.380 --> 00:59:14.800 >> The reason I ask is I don't feel that it would be fair to place the restriction. 00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:19.040 If you look at the attendance today based on those who said 00:59:19.040 --> 00:59:23.060 that they could not attend during the day, and it's also a difficulty for me, 00:59:23.060 --> 00:59:28.080 I don't know that it's fair to place that restriction on serving on the Public Art Committee 00:59:28.460 --> 00:59:33.300 that you have to be available during the day when other committees, like Planning and Zoning, 00:59:33.300 --> 00:59:37.020 the Animal Shelter Board, and City Council all meet after hours. 00:59:37.020 --> 00:59:44.340 >> I understand, and normally we'd be much more flexible, but it's a -- 00:59:44.340 --> 00:59:49.840 for us, it's -- we have to have staff available to produce the meeting. 00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:50.420 >> Sure. 00:59:50.420 --> 00:59:54.340 >> So, we have to have City Council meetings. 00:59:54.340 --> 00:59:56.460 We have to have Planning and Zoning Committee meetings. 00:59:56.460 --> 01:00:00.780 They have legally, statutorily required actions that they have to take. 01:00:00.780 --> 01:00:04.640 And so, we have to make sure staff's available for those first, 01:00:04.640 --> 01:00:08.580 and then other committees we're trying to accommodate as best we can. 01:00:08.580 --> 01:00:15.920 >> Yeah, I don't think there's an issue post-COVID or whenever we get the clearance 01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:19.200 to meet in the evening, that's not a concern. 01:00:19.200 --> 01:00:20.420 We definitely could do that. 01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:27.600 It's just trying to fit in regular meetings in or in between all that during business hours 01:00:27.600 --> 01:00:29.020 at this point in time. 01:00:29.020 --> 01:00:35.140 The other option that we -- that Jessica and I chatted about is, you know, 01:00:35.140 --> 01:00:41.600 if we couldn't meet next month as a group, maybe the subcommittees could spend the time working 01:00:41.600 --> 01:00:47.620 on the projects next month, and then circle back around maybe in six weeks, 01:00:48.240 --> 01:00:52.080 just delay that next meeting a little bit, and post it a little bit later, 01:00:52.080 --> 01:00:56.600 and try to squeeze a date in over a lunch period, if that could work. 01:00:56.600 --> 01:01:10.680 >> Haven't we always met during the day? 01:01:10.680 --> 01:01:12.920 >> So, previously -- 01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.200 >> Towards the latter part of the day. 01:01:15.500 --> 01:01:19.840 >> Yes, so previously the meetings were at four on the first day of the month. 01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:27.280 Prior to this, I think that there's been maybe some change in work schedules, 01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.220 and we do try and accommodate, and I think that everyone who's 01:01:30.220 --> 01:01:36.080 on a subcommittee knows I try to make myself available as many evenings as I can 01:01:36.080 --> 01:01:41.580 for that subcommittee work, since we don't have to produce those meetings that we can meet 01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:45.640 in the evenings, and that seems to be much more convenient and easy for the most. 01:01:45.640 --> 01:01:51.380 It's really about the challenge and making sure we have staff to produce the meetings. 01:01:51.380 --> 01:01:58.420 >> So, the three people who are having a difficult time, would it help if we moved the meeting back 01:01:58.420 --> 01:02:02.140 to start at four o'clock and end by five? 01:02:02.140 --> 01:02:08.760 >> I think there's individuals who do not get off work until 5 p.m., so meeting after hours is -- 01:02:09.420 --> 01:02:12.860 >> But, Ed, we've always -- I mean, our membership -- 01:02:12.860 --> 01:02:18.120 >> And I understand we always have, but P&Z has always met in the evening. 01:02:18.120 --> 01:02:21.360 Animal Shelter Advisory Board has always met in the evening. 01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:24.700 Just because we've always done it a certain way doesn't mean it's the right way. 01:02:24.700 --> 01:02:26.440 It is the way we've always done it, but we -- 01:02:26.440 --> 01:02:29.500 if you look at the attendance of today's meeting, we barely have a quorum. 01:02:29.500 --> 01:02:34.820 >> But I guess we have to continue meeting this way. 01:02:35.540 --> 01:02:41.260 >> Yeah, I just wondered what changed because we've always all kind of shown up for these meetings, but -- 01:02:41.260 --> 01:02:47.120 >> And in line with what Gary said, maybe it makes sense to stagger the meetings. 01:02:47.120 --> 01:02:54.160 Maybe rather than meeting every month, we meet, then we have subcommittee meetings the next month, 01:02:54.160 --> 01:03:01.160 and then the month after we meet, if that would provide some form of benefit to making, you know, 01:03:01.160 --> 01:03:05.200 to juggling staff available after hours or when the others can meet. 01:03:05.540 --> 01:03:14.640 >> If we met less frequently, just a suggestion, I don't have the answer other than I know 01:03:14.640 --> 01:03:19.360 that, and myself included, there are others who are not present today who have a -- 01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:20.620 you know, there's definitely a challenge. 01:03:20.620 --> 01:03:28.140 >> Would moving the meetings back later in the day help, though, like a 430 to 530? 01:03:28.140 --> 01:03:35.020 I guess we need to find out what would work for those people that it's not working for now. 01:03:36.180 --> 01:03:44.160 >> So we have a hard stop at 5 o'clock, so that window is from 3 to 5, 01:03:44.160 --> 01:03:50.500 and so that's the challenge that we're in, unless we did it over lunch. 01:03:50.500 --> 01:03:51.680 >> I think a lunch -- 01:03:51.680 --> 01:03:56.600 >> Like a 1 to 130? 01:03:59.920 --> 01:04:06.740 >> Why don't we -- is there a desire to look for a date or time for October 01:04:06.740 --> 01:04:11.020 or just go ahead and schedule a month off? 01:04:11.020 --> 01:04:15.360 >> The reason -- I would hesitate to do that, Jessica, 01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:21.600 because of all of the projects we just went through, and being able to move them forward 01:04:21.600 --> 01:04:26.840 and pay attention to them being processed through. 01:04:27.380 --> 01:04:30.780 >> Well, I think what was mentioned was that the subcommittees would meet, 01:04:30.780 --> 01:04:34.300 so that progress would still be made. 01:04:34.300 --> 01:04:38.020 It's just the main pack wouldn't meet until the next month. 01:04:38.020 --> 01:04:39.720 Is that what you were saying, Gary? 01:04:39.720 --> 01:04:40.520 Is that what you were -- 01:04:40.520 --> 01:04:41.840 >> Yes. 01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:48.900 >> Yeah, so maybe we could meet, let's say, try to meet October 15th, 01:04:48.900 --> 01:04:54.800 October 20th, somewhere in there, and then we could have a couple subcommittee meetings 01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:57.560 for each of the sculptures, try to make progress. 01:04:57.560 --> 01:05:01.020 John will have some feedback on the DWIF. 01:05:01.020 --> 01:05:08.520 We should be able -- we should have feedback pretty quickly on the Vela and the dog park ones 01:05:08.520 --> 01:05:14.820 and get those out in the cafe if we have to go to plan B and get those posted. 01:05:14.820 --> 01:05:18.920 So that would give us time to really get everything out into the process 01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:23.660 and maybe even have some deadlines before that, and then we could come back to the committee 01:05:24.060 --> 01:05:30.980 and get something scheduled for that, maybe late October and have some significant progress 01:05:30.980 --> 01:05:32.540 for the group to consider as a whole. 01:05:32.540 --> 01:05:38.260 >> And in the meantime, can we do some sort of survey? 01:05:38.260 --> 01:05:46.640 >> Yes, we can send out something with time blocks. 01:05:46.640 --> 01:05:52.620 And I know that among all of the many things that are happening in our lives right now 01:05:52.620 --> 01:05:58.000 that we're asking for incredible flexibility, so know that it's very much appreciated. 01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:05.580 >> Jessica, Eddie's online, and Eddie's kind of oversees organizing the park board 01:06:05.580 --> 01:06:09.100 and getting that agenda all set up. 01:06:09.100 --> 01:06:16.920 Eddie, if you are still with us, is the set timeframe for meetings, is it 1230 to 230? 01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:23.020 >> Hi, everyone, Eddie Valdez, a management analyst for the Parks and Recreation Department. 01:06:23.020 --> 01:06:26.640 So we don't have a set time. 01:06:26.640 --> 01:06:31.440 What I've been doing is to send out the survey because, you know, just like yourselves, 01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:37.020 our park board meeting and our attendees, you know, they work during those hours. 01:06:37.020 --> 01:06:40.820 So I would try to plan at least a month in advance. 01:06:40.820 --> 01:06:49.180 We've got a small little window of what days that we can try to book for a month in advance. 01:06:49.180 --> 01:06:53.280 But I try to accommodate as much as everyone can try to make it. 01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:58.360 So I give them a couple options, maybe one day with multiple hours, 01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:01.040 or maybe one or two days with a couple hours. 01:07:01.040 --> 01:07:05.400 >> All right. 01:07:05.640 --> 01:07:13.120 Well, why don't we move forward with sending out a survey, if anyone knows of any hard days, 01:07:13.120 --> 01:07:18.200 like absolutely no Mondays for you or something like that, let us know so that we can take 01:07:18.200 --> 01:07:24.360 that into account, and we are going to try and do the best we can to accommodate everybody. 01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:31.580 And Ed's cat, which is my favorite. 01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:36.180 Does that count towards a quorum? 01:07:36.180 --> 01:07:38.540 >> Max has the most intense eyes. 01:07:38.540 --> 01:07:42.140 He's just -- he's like the Rami Malek of cats. 01:07:42.140 --> 01:07:47.600 >> Okay. All right. 01:07:47.600 --> 01:07:56.080 >> Oh, Monet, you're on mute. 01:07:56.080 --> 01:08:02.240 >> You hear me now? 01:08:02.680 --> 01:08:02.880 >> Yes. 01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:05.320 >> Item D, staff reports. 01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:12.120 >> So one quick staff report, which is something that I sent out to everyone earlier, 01:08:12.120 --> 01:08:18.020 and is that I'm very sad to say this is my last public art committee as the staff liaison. 01:08:18.020 --> 01:08:24.380 We are reshifting and refocusing sort of department priorities. 01:08:24.380 --> 01:08:30.960 And in all of this, Gary has so graciously agreed to take over the public art program. 01:08:31.420 --> 01:08:37.100 And John and Drew and Gary and Eddie are getting all up to speed 01:08:37.100 --> 01:08:39.140 on everything related to public art. 01:08:39.140 --> 01:08:41.020 I have two boxes for him ready to go. 01:08:41.020 --> 01:08:44.760 I was hoping he was going to be here today. 01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:48.360 But they're wonderful, and you guys are in very good hands. 01:08:48.360 --> 01:08:52.540 Unfortunately, though, you are not getting rid of me completely, 01:08:52.540 --> 01:08:59.020 because economic development is going to stay over the cultural district's programming. 01:08:59.220 --> 01:09:02.780 And so I will still come see you guys on a pretty regular basis. 01:09:02.780 --> 01:09:05.680 I just won't be the staff liaison for the committee anymore. 01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:09.600 But I'll still be involved, of course, with the fellowship project 01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:12.260 and the ongoing programming for the cultural district. 01:09:12.260 --> 01:09:15.640 So you still have me. 01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:16.640 I'll still be here. 01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:19.020 I'll just be in a little bit of a different capacity. 01:09:19.020 --> 01:09:21.380 And you guys are in wonderful hands. 01:09:21.380 --> 01:09:28.720 And in my email, I also noted that Parks is in the process of actually hiring a landscape 01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:33.020 architect that will be serving as the project lead for helping getting all 01:09:33.020 --> 01:09:43.060 of these projects cited and coordinated and keeping us all in line on all of these projects. 01:09:43.060 --> 01:09:48.680 But know that I've had a wonderful kind of past year and a half getting to know and work 01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:53.160 with all of you and have learned more about art and music 01:09:53.160 --> 01:09:55.080 and culture than I could have ever imagined. 01:09:55.080 --> 01:09:59.160 So thank you for at least letting me learn something. 01:09:59.160 --> 01:10:02.420 >> Well, thank you for everything that you've done for the committee. 01:10:02.420 --> 01:10:03.020 You've been great. 01:10:03.020 --> 01:10:04.720 >> Yeah. Thank you, Jessica. 01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:10.020 >> I think that's it. 01:10:10.020 --> 01:10:11.720 That's all we have for the staff reports. 01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:17.600 >> And Gary, we promise to try to not torture you too much, but, you know, fingers crossed. 01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:21.020 >> Well, that's why we have four or five of us here. 01:10:21.020 --> 01:10:25.480 >> Yeah. So Jessica is right. 01:10:25.480 --> 01:10:30.460 We are in the process of hiring a landscape architect to eventually lead this committee. 01:10:30.460 --> 01:10:37.800 Until that person is hired, John Whitmore and I will be the point people for that. 01:10:37.800 --> 01:10:42.280 And then the landscape architect will work with us and we'll integrate them 01:10:42.280 --> 01:10:43.880 in whenever they get hired. 01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:49.400 Eddie is going to help with setting up the meetings and, you know, the future survey 01:10:49.400 --> 01:10:53.300 that we're going to have to kind of really work with everyone to make the best time 01:10:53.300 --> 01:10:55.860 that we can and provide that for you. 01:10:55.860 --> 01:11:01.320 So, but if you have any questions or need anything, feel free to reach out to us. 01:11:01.320 --> 01:11:07.620 >> And I promise I'm not going anywhere leaving Denton, so you guys can always reach 01:11:07.620 --> 01:11:13.060 out to me if you need something and we'll all track Drew down. 01:11:13.060 --> 01:11:20.800 >> So I guess our next step in the meantime, John will be reaching out to everyone, 01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:25.020 try to get subcommittee set up once we get a couple of these proposals out 01:11:25.020 --> 01:11:26.820 and we'll get those organized. 01:11:26.820 --> 01:11:30.180 We can do those in the evening because those are not recorded with a quorum. 01:11:30.180 --> 01:11:37.680 So we can get those scheduled next week and get out all these other projects in the works. 01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:42.980 Looking forward to getting those going and seeing some more art installed. 01:11:43.060 --> 01:11:48.160 >> Including items? 01:11:48.160 --> 01:11:55.520 >> So I have a quick question. 01:11:55.520 --> 01:12:05.540 So just looking ahead to any future public art projects and RFQs that we're going to be doing, 01:12:05.540 --> 01:12:12.480 and I think we talked about this last time, but I just want to make sure that there's a plan 01:12:12.480 --> 01:12:19.400 in place for any future RFQs to avoid this, like, problem that we're having recently with a lot 01:12:19.400 --> 01:12:24.920 of the artists not wanting to do these smaller scale projects, right? 01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:29.920 >> So that's a good question. 01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:33.700 Jessica, go ahead, I'll let you, I don't want to interrupt you, sorry. 01:12:33.700 --> 01:12:38.740 >> So we did in the original, I went back and looked because I heard this question 01:12:38.740 --> 01:12:44.460 at the last meeting, even though I wasn't here, but I went back and looked at what we put 01:12:44.460 --> 01:12:50.920 out in CAFE, and it looked like we said that projects would be no more than $50,000, 01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:58.280 and then we have had, of course, one that, so we did indicate it in the CAFE call, 01:12:58.280 --> 01:13:04.580 but certainly, I mean, if I was an artist, I'd probably want to be as pre-qualified as possible 01:13:04.580 --> 01:13:07.220 and then be able to make that determination. 01:13:07.220 --> 01:13:13.860 So we can definitely look at what we've put in CAFE before and see if we can't make 01:13:13.860 --> 01:13:18.100 that more clear or if we can do some sort of stratification or something. 01:13:18.100 --> 01:13:24.320 I think that that's a very fair question, so something that we'll want 01:13:24.320 --> 01:13:26.140 to make sure we clarify going forward. 01:13:26.140 --> 01:13:33.240 >> Jessica, as a follow-up to that, in the, of the submittals that we did get through CAFE, 01:13:33.480 --> 01:13:41.120 did we get, or did we look at the number of local artists that submitted or that were approved? 01:13:41.120 --> 01:13:44.700 >> I don't think so. 01:13:44.700 --> 01:13:50.940 I mean, I don't think we went through specifically to say this one's local, this one's not local. 01:13:50.940 --> 01:13:59.880 I'm trying to think, I think the, Ed, I know you were on the pre-qualification scoring committee. 01:14:00.360 --> 01:14:07.180 You just received like their statements and their CVs and then the images, 01:14:07.180 --> 01:14:10.740 but I don't think you necessarily got something that said this person is local, 01:14:10.740 --> 01:14:12.080 this person is not local. 01:14:12.080 --> 01:14:13.060 >> That is correct. 01:14:13.060 --> 01:14:20.960 >> Yeah, it'd be nice to, if we do an RFQ in the future to be able to know 01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:24.900 that because that will have a lot to do with budget as well. 01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:36.740 >> So, yeah, we could, if there was some desire in the future, if you wanted to kind 01:14:36.740 --> 01:14:45.280 of take a step back or if we wanted to try maybe a couple pieces a different route or do it maybe 01:14:45.280 --> 01:14:52.720 in concert with CAFE where we could reach out to TSA or Texas Sculpture Association or some 01:14:52.720 --> 01:14:55.860 of the other groups that have promoted them and they'll promote them 01:14:55.860 --> 01:14:59.160 for free to their members as well. 01:14:59.160 --> 01:15:06.460 So, and that might get you more of a focused return on people within a drive as opposed to, 01:15:06.460 --> 01:15:10.720 you know, across the country that increases that shipping costs 01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:12.820 and that expense to bring it down. 01:15:12.820 --> 01:15:17.560 So that's another direction that we could talk about in the future. 01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:30.340 >> Anything else? 01:15:30.340 --> 01:15:41.340 >> And then another future agenda item two is the paying, I know, 01:15:41.340 --> 01:15:45.100 like we've had this conversation before, I can't remember where we left off, 01:15:45.100 --> 01:15:49.980 but there was the paying artists for proposals, right? 01:15:55.200 --> 01:16:04.060 We talked about the last meeting, that as well as the temporary art program and we didn't put those 01:16:04.060 --> 01:16:07.840 on the agenda because we were trying to get everybody focused on the sculpture projects 01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:13.640 that we have and then we'll circle back around maybe in October or November with updates 01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:18.240 on these projects, try to get those other ones out the door and then we can talk 01:16:18.240 --> 01:16:21.840 about these for future projects and then we also do have to circle back 01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:24.560 around on the transportation project funding that we have. 01:16:25.820 --> 01:16:27.980 So that's another future discussion. 01:16:27.980 --> 01:16:41.500 >> If there's nothing else, we can close the meeting at 4/24. 01:16:41.500 --> 01:16:44.540 >> Thank you, everyone. 01:16:44.540 --> 01:16:45.260 >> Thank you.