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 >> Everyone's accounted for.

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 and give staff direction regarding the status

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 of following art, public art committee projects.

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 Number one, the North Lakes Dog Park,

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 two G Roll and Vela Athletic Complex, three Tennis Center,

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 of our history mural, six MLK Junior Recreation Sculpture,

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 >> This is Gary Pack, and just to kind of give you some additional feedback

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 What we have is, we have five that are now in the running for the DWIF, that would be Craig Campbell,

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 I'm on a couple of subcommittees, so if that, if I'm getting these mixed up, please correct me.

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 So, it does make sense to at least give them the opportunity

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 to decline before opening up to everybody else.

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 >> All right, we can do that.

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 And then I'm going to go, we're going to have the same, and I apologize,

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 we're having technical difficulties on my end.

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 My screen keeps freezing, so y'all let me know if something, I can watch the live feed

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 and see it's working, but if for some reason y'all lose me for a second, that's what's happening.

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 So, we'll move on to the VELO project.

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 So, similar process for this one, the subcommittee reviewed artists, we did reach out to all

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 of the artists that were on the short list, and we were declined for all of these.

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 We reached out to the subcommittee again with some options, which was going back

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 to the pre-qualified list to see if there were any other artists that they wanted to consider,

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 or did they want to issue a separate call through CAFE, or did they want to see

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 if they could allocate more funds to this project to see if that would generate interest again

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 from the original list, and so we're kind of at the same point on this project that we were

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 on the dog park, just with a little bit less defined.

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 This has a much more open concept, and so there was a lot more kind of,

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 there might be a possibility to go back to some of the artists on the list, take that.

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 When we, if we do decide to do a CAFE open call for proposals, we would obviously share

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 that with our pre-qualified artists, right?

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 So, it would be an opportunity to do that still.

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 >> Yes.

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 >> Jessica, I think based on the subcommittee, I can jump in here, but based off of, I think,

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 Alicia and Ed agreed with her as to draft and issue a separate call for a proposal on CAFE.

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 Is that correct, summarize?

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 >> Yes, that was the subcommittee direction.

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 But no, they're not eliminated from consideration if any of the artists

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 on the pre-qualified list want to submit.

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 They're absolutely welcome to submit, and we can make sure that they're notified

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 that we're putting out an open call.

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 >> Can we also say something, or is this, I don't know what the rules around this would be,

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 but would we be able to say that if any pre-qualified artists did apply,

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 they would be given, like, special consideration

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 since they already jumped through all of those hoops?

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 >> I don't know.

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 I would have to check with our purchasing department on what, how we would score those.

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 >> Okay. Are we comfortable with pursuing the new open call?

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 And then I can follow up with Alicia regarding her question.

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 >> Sounds appropriate to me.

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 >> Okay. I'm going to try to share again.

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 This is where it gets tricky every time.

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 All right.

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 So Tennis Center, I think we can pause on this one for now.

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 We're trying to get some of the other projects that have tighter deadlines done.

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 So this one is going to stay in the upcoming category for now.

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 And the next project is the Fire Station 3 project.

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 Like some other projects, we've had some issues with identifying artists for this particular project.

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 I believe, Drew, if you're there, you had reached out to some artists

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 who had done some fence work before or had some ideas if you want to jump on.

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 So we wanted to give you like three different options for this take for the fencing.

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 I know this is for the fencing at the fire station.

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 So option one would to be, would to go with an artistic fence.

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 I know Chief Boots came to us last time and showed us, you know, his different kind of vision

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 on what the firemen kind of wanted at their fire station with their artistic look at the fence.

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 So that'd be option one. Option two is let the firemen build the fence that they want

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 and add a pedestal to the Fire Station 3 for an art piece.

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 Option three would be to put a cedar wood slat on wood slat fence with a pedestal for an art piece.

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 And then option one, we can have an alternate and add a pedestal also for an art piece there.

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 So I kind of want to leave it up to the committee on the three different options.

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 So option one, like I said, it would be the fence that Chief Boots brought us last time

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 with our artistic look.

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 It's a core 10 steel fence and it has different kind of fire logos cut into it, you know,

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 with a pedestal as an, you know, as an alternate.

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 Option two, let them build their fence on a different, you know, kind of account.

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 And we would have our, you know, the PAC would have an option to put their,

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 to decide on an art piece for a pedestal.

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 And then option three would just be a wood fence for the Fire Station and then an art,

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 you know, an art piece on a pedestal at a determined location.

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 >> Would there be a price differential on those three options?

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 >> Yes, ma'am.

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 So the fence itself is about, the fence that the firemen want is about 30,000.

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 So if for whatever reason, you know, you know, you did, you know,

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 PAC didn't decide that that's the way we needed to go, then we would have to,

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 or help them find a way.

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 And I say us as parks, the city would have to find a way to help, you know, fund their fence.

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 Option two, you know, we would just tile this into one artist to do everything,

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 the sculpture or art piece and the fence.

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 And then option three would just be a sculpture or art piece.

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 So, Gary, forgive me if I'm wrong, how much extra money do we have?

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 I'm drawing a blank at the moment.

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 >> Yeah, let me pull it up.

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 There was, I think it was like $60,000 that we have total.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> Now, and the fence itself is 30, so we could probably put another 30 to an art piece.

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 >> And where is that money coming from?

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 >> There were funds that were identified from, I believe, the central fire station.

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 >> Yes.

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 >> Projects.

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 I don't have the amount off the top of my head, but we were finishing up and closing

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 out projects and in the process discovered that there were funds that were dedicated

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 to that project that weren't needed since it's completed and that we would be able

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 to shift to another public safety project.

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 >> So, if we did the fence and the sculpture, we would have $30,000 for the fence

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 and 30,000 for the sculpture?

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 >> Yes, approximately.

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 And then it, depending on, so we have two bids right now, we're working on a third

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 for the fence and the lowest bid right now is 26, the second one's around 32.

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 So, normally your third bid is either really, really high or somewhere

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 in the middle of those two bids, so.

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 >> But the portion that we would pay for would just be for the artistic,

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 the artistic attachment versus the fence.

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 We're not paying for the fence, we're paying for the art, right?

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 >> If you choose, if you choose option three and the fireman go ahead and want their,

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 their fence that they've helped design, then yes, that'll be the case.

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 >> But the extra money from, Jessica, the extra money from coming from fire,

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 central fire can be spent just on the fence, correct?

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 >> It has to be spent on art.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> Yes.

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 >> If I remember correctly, they had specific security requirements for that fence

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 that was part of their design, is that correct?

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 >> Yes, sir.

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 >> And they have the resources to do that.

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 >> Not necessarily, so this, they have been assuming that the $25,000 that were allocated

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 to this committee would cover the artistic fence installation.

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 >> Right.

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 >> So, that does not have an additional $25,000 to pay for a fence outside

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 of the $25,000 that were allocated to the committee.

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 So, they have not been able, so the fence piece would be a cost overrun on that project

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 if they were to absorb it elsewhere and unfortunately Drew or myself can't make

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 that decision, we would have to go try and identify with our facilities team

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 if there was some way to make that happen.

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 >> Okay. Jessica, I'm going to try to repeat back what I think I heard

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 and what I think keeps bringing us back to this place where we're not sure how to move forward.

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 The way I remember it and Ed, correct me if I'm wrong, the PAC was prepared to pay

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 for the artistic rendering, whatever that was going to be.

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 But we took issue with being charged anything for the fence.

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 >> Well, so it's a bit messy when you think about it because you can have a piece of art

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 that functions as a barrier between different things.

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 But at the point, it becomes a necessary security feature for a building and that emphasis is

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 on security and not on the artistic element, my personal opinion is you're now talking

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 about something that is, performs a specific function

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 for the building and is not a piece of art.

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 >> And that's what you said at that time.

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 >> Right, and that's my opinion.

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 I, you know, I've seen pieces before that functioned as barriers

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 and I also am very familiar with building security.

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 I've done security camera installations and other type of security installations

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 and you're talking two completely different worlds, security and an artistic barrier.

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 So that's where the boggle presents itself.

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 >> I have a question though, I wonder if they're like the fence contractor, whoever would,

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 whoever has given us bids to actually build it, right?

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 If it's possible for them to kind of outline the different parameters

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 within which an artist would have to work within in order for the fence to maintain

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 that aspect of security, so for example, the largest opening or something, like if there's going

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 to be negative spaces cut out of it, they can't be any wider than three to four inches

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 or whatever the actual parameters would be and then obviously it would have to be more

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 of a graphic artist, but an artist could decide on the actual designs

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 that are cut into the fence, right, based on working within those parameters.

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 [ Laughter ]

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 >> Know that we think it's going to be the most talked about fence in Denton's history.

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 >> I'm kidding, I'm still of the opinion that there's two separate things.

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 I made the comment on the last meeting, you don't see very many master locks

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 that have a super artistic element.

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 Yeah, they may have something, some sort of silly, you know, for kids, placement on the front

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 or larger numbers or what have you, but it's still a master lock.

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 It still functions as a lock.

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 What we're trying to do here, just for me, from a design perspective, makes no sense.

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 I think you either have an artistic piece that functions as a barrier or you have a secure fence

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 and you have option three where there is a piece of art that is on display

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 in front of your functional secure fence.

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 I think the path that we're going down on trying to merge these two things,

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 I don't know that, you know, if we had a million dollars to throw at it, sure,

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 we could find someone out there who could come up with the most revolutionary secure piece of art

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 that would function as a fence, but that's not what we're talking about here.

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 >> So I'll do, in my sculpture program, we do a lot of plasma cut steel with like CNC plasma cutters.

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 So I'm really familiar with cutting out patterns and designs into quartet steel and then using those

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 as walls or barriers in different ways.

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 Some of my students have done projects like that.

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 So I don't think it's, I understand your point about how it's very,

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 it could be potentially very complicated, but I think like to create a design that gets cut out

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 of a piece of steel is definitely within the realm of a visual artist.

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 >> Sure, but will that visual artist have an understanding of the necessary security requirements?

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 >> Like I said, I think all they would need to know is like no space is cut

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 out within that surface could be required.

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 >> Well, the surface of the material, I mean, there's a lot of different,

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 when you actually start diving into security documents and requirements,

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 it's a lot more complicated than just, you know, the size of holes cut in it, is my point.

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 >> I think it comes down to two issues.

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 One are the resources to get it done.

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 The fire station needs to add a fence and maybe if we didn't do,

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 if there wasn't an art piece incorporated and they had the, you know, the resources to move forward

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 with creating their fence, then we, they could come back to us

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 with the fence having been created and we be open to adding our artistic piece

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 to that fence or around it or whatever.

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 So for me, I'm still, I'm stuck on whether or not the holdup has to do with the money

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 and not taking on the responsibility as a pat for the fire station building its own fence.

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 Did I make it harder?

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 I hope not.

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 >> No, I think we all understand what the challenge is.

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 I think you're clearly articulating it.

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 There is a financial challenge.

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 This project has existed for a long time and the fire department has been counting

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 on having an artistic fence funded by these dollars that were set aside.

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 I don't know which members were on the committee when that decision was made,

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 but the fire station has been operating with that assumption.

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 So they have not reserved other funds for the fence.

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 That project doesn't have any other funds.

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 >> I was on that original, I was on that original subcommittee and it was Millie Giles

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 and Jerry Veder and at that time, it was they had the funds to build their own fence,

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 but they would like it if we could come up with something

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 that would function as an artistic fence.

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 It wasn't a matter of they didn't have the funds at that time when we originally started.

439
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 >> That's right, Ed.

440
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 They did have the funds and they wanted us to contribute that $25,000

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 to use that for an artistic addition.

442
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 >> Correct.

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 >> Joe and I have had conversations with them because we thought

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 that the fastest path forward would be the simplest, right?

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 The fence gets built and then the art gets added by the committee separately.

446
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 We were told that wasn't an option.

447
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 So we're still trying to fund.

448
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 >> You were told by whom that wasn't an option?

449
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 >> That the project didn't have any funds for the fence.

450
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 >> I swear to you, it's got to be in the minutes.

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 I mean, just like we're talking about it right now so passionately, it was even more passionate

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 at that time and we came to that kind of agreement that they would, yeah, they did have money.

453
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 >> So I think the simplest thing or the simplest path that we can go forward due to, you know,

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 the circumstances, we did go out and we got a bid for the, you know, the board on board fence.

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 So it would be Cedar Plank fence, just a normal, something that you see kind

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 of in a residential area instead of six foot tall, it's going to be eight foot tall.

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 It's, the cost was, it's not, it's only 60 feet, 60 linear feet of the fence.

458
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 So you're looking at approximately $3,000.

459
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:15,000
 That's something they can probably come up with and then we can, you know, the PAC can say, hey,

460
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,600
 we don't want to do the fence, but we do want to do an art piece and then we can go

461
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,580
 through CAFE to get an artist for an art piece.

462
00:38:22,580 --> 00:38:27,140
 Does that sound like a way we want to move with this?

463
00:38:27,140 --> 00:38:30,120
 >> That sounds reasonable to me.

464
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,020
 What do you think, Georgina?

465
00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:32,100
 >> I agree.

466
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:32,760
 >> Okay.

467
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,520
 >> And then maybe it'll actually happen.

468
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:35,880
 >> Yes.

469
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,820
 >> Instead of trying to design something

470
00:38:39,820 --> 00:38:40,700
 that doesn't exist.

471
00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:41,280
 >> Okay.

472
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:41,380
 >> Yeah.

473
00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:45,780
 >> All right, do, Jessica, we need to take, do they need to take a vote on that

474
00:38:45,780 --> 00:38:47,300
 or do we just need to move forward?

475
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:55,920
 >> I don't know that, let's take it to the fire department and make sure that they're agreeable

476
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,360
 to this solution unless you already know that information

477
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,520
 and then we can bring it back at the next meeting to formalize.

478
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:03,480
 >> Okay, we'll do that.

479
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:09,280
 I mean, I think this is simplest because, you know, we haven't been at a,

480
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:15,120
 many of these meetings with you, but at the last two that we have had, this seemed to be in,

481
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,080
 you know, some contention on what this actually needs to be.

482
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,540
 I think with the fire station coming along and as quickly as, you know,

483
00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:25,500
 it's going to be up and running, our easiest step forward is just say, hey,

484
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:30,140
 we're going to build a, you know, a wooden fence, you're going to build a wooden fence now,

485
00:39:30,140 --> 00:39:33,180
 the PAC will add an art piece later, so.

486
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:40,480
 >> And I think really that is in line with the function of the public art committee.

487
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,340
 We're not in the business of building fences, we're in the business of public art.

488
00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:46,620
 >> Okay, then we'll do that.

489
00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:49,100
 >> Very good.

490
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:54,420
 >> I guess the second phase of that, is there any direction or thought in regards

491
00:39:54,420 --> 00:39:57,900
 to what that art is, is there a look and feel or a theme?

492
00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:02,020
 Has that been discussed at all or is that for a future discussion?

493
00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:06,500
 >> It was at the time and there were a couple of renderings

494
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:10,180
 that were actually provided, I believe, by the fire department.

495
00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:14,320
 But I think we would have to go back and revisit it all together.

496
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,540
 >> Okay, we can do that.

497
00:40:16,540 --> 00:40:23,620
 >> Okay. Let's go back to the presentation.

498
00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:31,280
 Okay, so the next project is the foundations of our history mural.

499
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:37,280
 And last night, we held the public input meeting and got great feedback

500
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,040
 in regards to that project.

501
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:47,180
 Very, very well liked and everyone likes the idea of preserving

502
00:40:47,180 --> 00:40:51,800
 and recreating Mr. Hedspeth's fence and then that bridge.

503
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,660
 I know Monet was there last night.

504
00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:56,860
 I think Georgina, you were there last night and got to see

505
00:40:56,860 --> 00:40:59,540
 that presentation and hear from the artist.

506
00:41:00,180 --> 00:41:07,000
 One thing that we have had is that we didn't anticipate an administrative fee

507
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:13,040
 from Union Pacific Railroad to review the application to paint the bridge.

508
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,600
 We do have to have their permission.

509
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:22,080
 That fee costs $1,025 and that is where we are in that project.

510
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:28,380
 When we pay that fee, they will start processing the application to paint that bridge.

511
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:34,660
 And so, as of right now, the original budget was $11,000

512
00:41:34,660 --> 00:41:39,380
 and the Public Art Committee was providing $9,150.

513
00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:45,380
 If you'll remember, Keep Dittin' Beautiful had chipped in the remainder of funds.

514
00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:50,980
 And so, with Keep Dittin' Beautiful being absorbed back into the city,

515
00:41:50,980 --> 00:41:55,260
 there's not a fundraising arm for that committee anymore.

516
00:41:55,260 --> 00:42:01,900
 So, our request would be, there are some still hot funds left over from this program year.

517
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:07,380
 So, our request of the committee would be consideration of using hot funds to cover

518
00:42:07,380 --> 00:42:10,960
 that administrative fee and get that project going.

519
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,860
 And so, I will stop sharing so we can talk about that one.

520
00:42:15,860 --> 00:42:17,260
 I do apologize.

521
00:42:17,260 --> 00:42:20,500
 I know we've come back twice for additional funds on this project.

522
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:27,060
 I know this project has a lot of community support and a community interest and so,

523
00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:29,120
 we want to make sure that it happens.

524
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:35,560
 And so, we just want to present this opportunity to the committee again.

525
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,380
 >> I'll move the lead.

526
00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:45,620
 >> I just have a question before we move anywhere.

527
00:42:45,620 --> 00:42:46,740
 It's just a quick question.

528
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,720
 So, this administrative fee is to just submit an application

529
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,080
 and then could they just deny that application?

530
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,960
 >> It's to review the application.

531
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,540
 And Autumn, if you're, is Autumn out of the roster?

532
00:43:00,540 --> 00:43:02,920
 >> Yeah, I think we can.

533
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,280
 >> It's just to review the application.

534
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,360
 >> Interesting.

535
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:16,960
 >> Alicia, we, Keep Dittin' Beautiful, Autumn and Carly went through the process.

536
00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:21,000
 On the other mural, so this is, I guess, new.

537
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,320
 They didn't have to do this in the past.

538
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:29,040
 So, I wouldn't anticipate it being an issue since we got approval, you know,

539
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,160
 a year and a half or so ago for the other mural.

540
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:36,320
 So, I don't foresee it as a concern that it's not going to happen.

541
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:42,440
 It's taken a while to get in contact with them and get a response to this point.

542
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:48,280
 I think they've been trying since this, at least early summer, to try to get in touch with them.

543
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,720
 So, it's been a process and a challenge.

544
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:55,480
 >> I guess it's just a good thing to keep in mind, I guess, if we ever want to paint

545
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,520
 on any of the other bridges, huh?

546
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:05,120
 >> Yeah. We have noted it now for future projects.

547
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:10,360
 >> Okay. Now you can do your motions, if people wanted to.

548
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,080
 >> I'll move to approve it, some of them.

549
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,300
 >> I'll second.

550
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:23,380
 All in favor?

551
00:44:23,380 --> 00:44:25,280
 Alicia?

552
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,120
 >> Aye.

553
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,840
 >> Fred?

554
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,460
 >> Aye.

555
00:44:30,460 --> 00:44:31,740
 >> Ed?

556
00:44:31,740 --> 00:44:32,540
 >> Aye.

557
00:44:32,540 --> 00:44:34,060
 >> Gary?

558
00:44:34,060 --> 00:44:35,280
 >> Aye.

559
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:41,900
 >> That's everyone.

560
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:52,440
 Next, let me switch back, get that shared, all right.

561
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,060
 So, the other project that we presented last night

562
00:44:56,060 --> 00:45:00,680
 at the community input session was the MLK Junior Rec Center Sculpture.

563
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:06,440
 We have been discussing this project with Madeline and she is ready

564
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,760
 to get moving on it as well.

565
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,880
 Last night, we got some guidance on the type of limestone that she'll be using

566
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,720
 for the project as well as a different location.

567
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:23,460
 So, it will actually be the community input, there was positive feedback

568
00:45:23,460 --> 00:45:28,000
 for moving it closer to the building itself so that people would be able to interact

569
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,980
 with it more regularly and it would be a focal point at the front

570
00:45:31,980 --> 00:45:34,560
 of the recreation center instead of out by the road.

571
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,600
 There were some concern that where she had proposed locating it

572
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:48,500
 that it might damage the roots of some of the trees because of the depth of the concrete pad site

573
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:51,760
 that was going to have to be built for the weight of the sculptures.

574
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,900
 And so, we definitely don't want to damage the trees in the process.

575
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:59,700
 And so, there's a proposal to move it to a different location.

576
00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:06,380
 It'll be where the flagpole is for those who are familiar with the rec center itself,

577
00:46:06,380 --> 00:46:09,900
 but right front and center as you're driving in and see the front of the rec center.

578
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:15,900
 And then, Gary, am I forgetting anything on that one?

579
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:22,460
 >> No. I'll let Drew, Drew was the point person on that discussion.

580
00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:27,360
 >> So, I think the conversation in our meeting last night went really well.

581
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:32,280
 We did go out, you know, earlier in yesterday to look at the different areas.

582
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,120
 And like I said, or like Jessica said, you know, we were really concerned

583
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:41,360
 where the original idea of where the sculptures were going to go, one, for accessibility,

584
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,240
 and two, it was going to be in the drip line of the trees.

585
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:48,100
 So, installing any kind of foundation for the sculpture, you know,

586
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:53,620
 anytime you dig in and around the trees, you risk damaging and hurting those trees

587
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:57,900
 and the tree roots, so we picked two different other areas.

588
00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:00,820
 One of those, being closer to the bus stop, it's kind of hidden.

589
00:47:00,820 --> 00:47:06,900
 You can't see it due to the trees that are also over there and the bus stop that's there.

590
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:11,520
 And so, really just, you know, knowing how much it costs to, you know,

591
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:16,740
 install those flagpoles, it seems to us that the best bet is for parks

592
00:47:16,740 --> 00:47:23,460
 to relocate the flagpole at MLK and then have that area completely redone

593
00:47:23,860 --> 00:47:31,400
 in the front of MLK 1, so MLK staff can see, you know, what's going on out there.

594
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,420
 And, you know, the kids sit in that area and wait on their parents to pick them up,

595
00:47:35,420 --> 00:47:40,420
 or people just kind of like to sit out front and enjoy, you know, just being outside,

596
00:47:40,420 --> 00:47:42,020
 especially in the cooler days.

597
00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:47,740
 So, having the sculptures moved to the area where the flagpole is was a consensus

598
00:47:47,740 --> 00:47:51,860
 and voted, you know, kind of gave a thumb, everyone kind of gave their thumbs

599
00:47:51,860 --> 00:47:53,040
 up for that location.

600
00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:57,240
 And then, of course, once the sculpture is in,

601
00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:01,620
 we would parks within re-landscape that area and beautify it.

602
00:48:01,620 --> 00:48:11,440
 And that area does have full accessibility with ramps and sidewalks and everything.

603
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:17,560
 >> If there are no questions on that one, I'll go to the next.

604
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:26,000
 So, I think the last project that we have is the Denton Women's Interracial Fellowship

605
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:31,060
 Monument that subcommittee has been meeting weekly or bi-weekly over the past few weeks,

606
00:48:31,060 --> 00:48:33,000
 making a lot of progress.

607
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,360
 We're currently down to a short list of artists and have reached

608
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:43,320
 out for preliminary proposals or concepts for the subcommittee to review.

609
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,840
 And we've gotten a lot of positive feedback from artists on that project.

610
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:55,700
 Remember that we are partnering with Denton Parks Foundation for additional fundraising.

611
00:48:55,700 --> 00:49:00,000
 But I'm happy to announce that as of 1/30 today, it's official.

612
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,160
 The city of Denton has been awarded $28,000 from the Texas Commission

613
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,920
 on the Arts for that project.

614
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:15,220
 And so, we're very excited for that and we had originally budgeted $40,000

615
00:49:15,220 --> 00:49:17,700
 for the -- or requested $40,000 for the grant.

616
00:49:17,820 --> 00:49:23,200
 So, because we were awarded $12,000 less, we had, if you'll remember,

617
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,860
 set aside funds in the case that we didn't get the grant at all.

618
00:49:27,860 --> 00:49:33,800
 So, in this case, we just will have $12,000 from our hot funds, either from --

619
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:39,700
 remaining from this project year or a little bit from the 2021 project year,

620
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:43,000
 but not nearly the amount that we had set aside.

621
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,660
 So, we're very, very excited.

622
00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:47,460
 This project is moving forward.

623
00:49:47,820 --> 00:49:51,180
 And we're really happy that the Texas Commission

624
00:49:51,180 --> 00:49:54,340
 on the Arts saw the value of this project.

625
00:49:54,340 --> 00:49:58,980
 And I know that -- and we have a couple subcommittee members that are actually here today,

626
00:49:58,980 --> 00:50:06,860
 that there were some really creative discussion and really creative artists and different ideas.

627
00:50:06,860 --> 00:50:11,660
 So, we're excited to see what concepts we get back.

628
00:50:12,020 --> 00:50:18,240
 So, I will take this down just in case we need to talk about if Alicia or Georgina want

629
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:21,200
 to discuss their work on the subcommittee.

630
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,540
 That subcommittee has putting in a lot of hours and work, so we're really thankful.

631
00:50:26,540 --> 00:50:32,280
 They've done a lot of legwork knowing that in the event that we got the grant that we were going

632
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:37,880
 to have to move very quickly because the project has to be completed by August 31st of 2021.

633
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,040
 So, that's not a long time for a major art project.

634
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,460
 So, thank you.

635
00:50:43,460 --> 00:50:47,780
 >> I just want to congratulate the city on getting that grant.

636
00:50:47,780 --> 00:50:51,780
 Congrats. And would love to receive a copy of it.

637
00:50:51,780 --> 00:50:54,080
 >> Thanks.

638
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,200
 >> All right.

639
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:04,080
 >> Jessica, do you want John to give a little update and kind of where he's at with --

640
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,540
 >> Yeah, John, I didn't see you.

641
00:51:05,540 --> 00:51:07,240
 So, you're still here.

642
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:08,820
 >> I'm still here.

643
00:51:08,820 --> 00:51:09,840
 All right.

644
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:15,200
 So, what we've done is we've created the scope of work, and rather than sending out just

645
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,400
 to a few artists, we sent it out to seven artists so that we wouldn't get

646
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,080
 in the same situation as Vela and MLK.

647
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:27,440
 And we were very fortunate that we had responses back from the five artists out of the seven.

648
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:33,640
 One of the ones that did not -- that was on some of the other lists was Enoch

649
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,700
 and Huther declined to be able to do it.

650
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:44,000
 But we have those five I mentioned earlier, Campbell, Dedecker, Fisher, Haskew, and Kistler.

651
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:49,720
 And one of them contacted me for just to talk a little bit about it and said that she --

652
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:53,420
 her background actually is very close to as her mom did that, where she grew up.

653
00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:56,320
 So, she's got a bond to it.

654
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,060
 So, it'd be interesting to see what people come up with based on that.

655
00:52:00,060 --> 00:52:04,960
 They're supposed to get their proposals to us by the 21st.

656
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,700
 And we hope to have the next subcommittee meeting a couple of days after that,

657
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:12,760
 and maybe the 25th, so that you have enough time to review what the proposals are

658
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,520
 so we can talk about it.

659
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:21,620
 Any questions?

660
00:52:21,620 --> 00:52:32,060
 >> Well, congrats on -- I know that everyone provided great feedback as we were going

661
00:52:32,060 --> 00:52:35,880
 through that grant application process, so thank you to this committee.

662
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:42,060
 You guys, we pulled that one together very quickly, but it's a very worthwhile project, so.

663
00:52:42,060 --> 00:52:47,540
 >> Thank you, Jessica, for your work on it.

664
00:52:47,540 --> 00:52:50,620
 >> Okay. I think that's the end of our project.

665
00:52:50,620 --> 00:52:57,860
 Let me just make sure -- oh, I was going to point out the location.

666
00:52:57,860 --> 00:53:00,800
 So, we've identified this as the location.

667
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:08,100
 This is the American Legion Senior Center that's under construction, and based on wanting

668
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:14,540
 to have visibility and access and lighting, that this location right here, kind of front

669
00:53:14,540 --> 00:53:18,540
 and center in the entrance to the park, and next to the senior center,

670
00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:23,040
 has been identified as the prime location for that project.

671
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:28,220
 >> I guess we should probably keep in mind what's happening

672
00:53:28,220 --> 00:53:34,940
 with the Madeline Wiener sculptures with the trees and the roots and stuff, as this moves forward, huh?

673
00:53:34,940 --> 00:53:41,260
 >> Yes. So, that area is -- and John can help speak to this, and if you haven't been by there,

674
00:53:41,260 --> 00:53:48,320
 I'd really encourage you to drive over on Lakey Street in front of, you know, ALH.

675
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:57,800
 That area, it looks kind of different on Google, but when you go yourself, it's actually very open, so.

676
00:53:57,940 --> 00:53:59,060
 >> Baseball field?

677
00:53:59,060 --> 00:54:03,860
 >> Across the creek is the Fred Moore softball field, yes.

678
00:54:03,860 --> 00:54:07,640
 >> There's a good distance between the trees there.

679
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:12,720
 So, what it'll do is it'll frame whatever the yard is very nicely through there.

680
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:17,520
 It's out of the drip line, and we shouldn't have a problem.

681
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,560
 >> Is that where the old building used to be, if they tore it down?

682
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,420
 >> There used to be an old pavilion in there, yes.

683
00:54:22,420 --> 00:54:25,480
 >> I live right in front of it, so I was like, I'm trying to remember.

684
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:30,200
 >> Yeah, yeah, there used to be an old pavilion in there, and it was tore out probably five

685
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,080
 or six years ago, but yes.

686
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:39,020
 >> That is the end of the presentation.

687
00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:45,900
 And so, with that, that covers all of our projects.

688
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:52,420
 So, are there any questions or any other information we can provide on those projects?

689
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:55,320
 >> It's a lot.

690
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,080
 There's a lot of projects going on right now.

691
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,920
 >> Jessica, we could just give a quick update.

692
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,980
 As of right now, we're trying to get the foundations of our history mural

693
00:55:05,980 --> 00:55:14,080
 and the MLK sculpture to city council for approval on the design for October 15th.

694
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:21,420
 The -- if we can't do that, we'll push it to the 22nd, but we're trying to get approval this month

695
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:23,760
 so we can go out and start contracts.

696
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,400
 >> And start construction.

697
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,420
 >> All right.

698
00:55:29,420 --> 00:55:34,560
 All right, that's it on the project updates.

699
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:41,480
 >> Item C, receive report, hold discussion against staff direction regarding the meeting dates

700
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,560
 and times, regular meetings of the PoliDAR committee.

701
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:52,060
 >> So, two of our committee members had reached out, and actually it might be three

702
00:55:52,060 --> 00:55:58,200
 of our committee members had reached out that they are having difficulty meeting during the day due

703
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,480
 to work schedules, and we're trying to be sensitive to that.

704
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:08,600
 So, we wanted to allow the committee to discuss another time that may work for everyone.

705
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:16,480
 I will say that in COVID, we're unfortunately pretty restricted on when committees can meet.

706
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:24,340
 The instructions that staff has that committee meetings can start no later than 3 p.m. The reason

707
00:56:24,340 --> 00:56:30,780
 for that is our DTV staff have to cover city council meetings and planning

708
00:56:30,780 --> 00:56:35,140
 and zoning committee meetings and every single other board and committee meeting for the city

709
00:56:35,140 --> 00:56:38,760
 of Denton right now because of the remote nature and the meeting production,

710
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,400
 and they're all being televised.

711
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,860
 If you'll remember, we didn't have to televised before.

712
00:56:44,380 --> 00:56:51,300
 So, in managing their schedules, only a few committees are allowed to meet outside

713
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:54,660
 of the normal eight to five hours.

714
00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:59,600
 And so, we know that's a challenge for everyone.

715
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,480
 So, we do appreciate everyone's flexibility as we've gone through this.

716
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:09,140
 But if there's another time between during the day or another day of the week,

717
00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:11,780
 that might be easier.

718
00:57:11,780 --> 00:57:18,620
 Some of our committees meet around lunchtime and they tend to just keep it very limited

719
00:57:18,620 --> 00:57:29,140
 to an hour and very strategically discussing, you know, just kind of the immediate issue.

720
00:57:29,140 --> 00:57:31,620
 Other committees have taken a break.

721
00:57:31,620 --> 00:57:33,640
 They're not actually meeting right now.

722
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:39,140
 They're allowing their items to go directly to city council and working

723
00:57:39,140 --> 00:57:43,660
 through either a subcommittee or a task force and then just allowing items

724
00:57:43,660 --> 00:57:45,320
 to go directly to city council.

725
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:52,380
 And we're certainly as staff members open to trying to figure out what works for the most people.

726
00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:57,100
 But we wanted to be upfront what our limitations were from a staff perspective

727
00:57:57,100 --> 00:58:00,140
 and what we're trying to accommodate as well.

728
00:58:00,140 --> 00:58:07,340
 So, with that, if there's kind of discussion or an alternate time or day of the week

729
00:58:07,340 --> 00:58:09,700
 that might work better for the committee, we can go back

730
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:13,320
 and research the committee schedule and see what could work.

731
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:20,380
 >> So, what committees other than Public Art Committee meet during the day?

732
00:58:20,380 --> 00:58:25,820
 >> Just the committees that I manage, the Economic Development Partnership Board meets

733
00:58:25,820 --> 00:58:28,440
 at 11 a.m. on the second Wednesday of the month.

734
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:35,180
 The Downtown TURS Board meets on the third or the fourth Wednesday of every other month.

735
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,460
 The Downtown Economic Development Committee meets at 8.30 in the mornings

736
00:58:39,460 --> 00:58:42,540
 on the first Thursday of the month.

737
00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:48,600
 I know Gary's Parks and Rec Board, I'm not sure if they're meeting right now.

738
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:54,740
 >> We generally meet at 6.30 in the evening, you know, before COVID.

739
00:58:54,740 --> 00:59:00,620
 We've been meeting at 12.30 and I think we met at 2.30, one meeting.

740
00:59:00,620 --> 00:59:02,840
 So, we've been inconsistent with our meetings.

741
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,660
 We've only had two that have been online since COVID hit, but we generally meet in the evening

742
00:59:07,660 --> 00:59:09,380
 on Mondays, the first Monday of the month.

743
00:59:09,380 --> 00:59:14,800
 >> The reason I ask is I don't feel that it would be fair to place the restriction.

744
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:19,040
 If you look at the attendance today based on those who said

745
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,060
 that they could not attend during the day, and it's also a difficulty for me,

746
00:59:23,060 --> 00:59:28,080
 I don't know that it's fair to place that restriction on serving on the Public Art Committee

747
00:59:28,460 --> 00:59:33,300
 that you have to be available during the day when other committees, like Planning and Zoning,

748
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:37,020
 the Animal Shelter Board, and City Council all meet after hours.

749
00:59:37,020 --> 00:59:44,340
 >> I understand, and normally we'd be much more flexible, but it's a --

750
00:59:44,340 --> 00:59:49,840
 for us, it's -- we have to have staff available to produce the meeting.

751
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:50,420
 >> Sure.

752
00:59:50,420 --> 00:59:54,340
 >> So, we have to have City Council meetings.

753
00:59:54,340 --> 00:59:56,460
 We have to have Planning and Zoning Committee meetings.

754
00:59:56,460 --> 01:00:00,780
 They have legally, statutorily required actions that they have to take.

755
01:00:00,780 --> 01:00:04,640
 And so, we have to make sure staff's available for those first,

756
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,580
 and then other committees we're trying to accommodate as best we can.

757
01:00:08,580 --> 01:00:15,920
 >> Yeah, I don't think there's an issue post-COVID or whenever we get the clearance

758
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,200
 to meet in the evening, that's not a concern.

759
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,420
 We definitely could do that.

760
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:27,600
 It's just trying to fit in regular meetings in or in between all that during business hours

761
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,020
 at this point in time.

762
01:00:29,020 --> 01:00:35,140
 The other option that we -- that Jessica and I chatted about is, you know,

763
01:00:35,140 --> 01:00:41,600
 if we couldn't meet next month as a group, maybe the subcommittees could spend the time working

764
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:47,620
 on the projects next month, and then circle back around maybe in six weeks,

765
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,080
 just delay that next meeting a little bit, and post it a little bit later,

766
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:56,600
 and try to squeeze a date in over a lunch period, if that could work.

767
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:10,680
 >> Haven't we always met during the day?

768
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,920
 >> So, previously --

769
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,200
 >> Towards the latter part of the day.

770
01:01:15,500 --> 01:01:19,840
 >> Yes, so previously the meetings were at four on the first day of the month.

771
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:27,280
 Prior to this, I think that there's been maybe some change in work schedules,

772
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,220
 and we do try and accommodate, and I think that everyone who's

773
01:01:30,220 --> 01:01:36,080
 on a subcommittee knows I try to make myself available as many evenings as I can

774
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:41,580
 for that subcommittee work, since we don't have to produce those meetings that we can meet

775
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,640
 in the evenings, and that seems to be much more convenient and easy for the most.

776
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:51,380
 It's really about the challenge and making sure we have staff to produce the meetings.

777
01:01:51,380 --> 01:01:58,420
 >> So, the three people who are having a difficult time, would it help if we moved the meeting back

778
01:01:58,420 --> 01:02:02,140
 to start at four o'clock and end by five?

779
01:02:02,140 --> 01:02:08,760
 >> I think there's individuals who do not get off work until 5 p.m., so meeting after hours is --

780
01:02:09,420 --> 01:02:12,860
 >> But, Ed, we've always -- I mean, our membership --

781
01:02:12,860 --> 01:02:18,120
 >> And I understand we always have, but P&Z has always met in the evening.

782
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,360
 Animal Shelter Advisory Board has always met in the evening.

783
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,700
 Just because we've always done it a certain way doesn't mean it's the right way.

784
01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:26,440
 It is the way we've always done it, but we --

785
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,500
 if you look at the attendance of today's meeting, we barely have a quorum.

786
01:02:29,500 --> 01:02:34,820
 >> But I guess we have to continue meeting this way.

787
01:02:35,540 --> 01:02:41,260
 >> Yeah, I just wondered what changed because we've always all kind of shown up for these meetings, but --

788
01:02:41,260 --> 01:02:47,120
 >> And in line with what Gary said, maybe it makes sense to stagger the meetings.

789
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:54,160
 Maybe rather than meeting every month, we meet, then we have subcommittee meetings the next month,

790
01:02:54,160 --> 01:03:01,160
 and then the month after we meet, if that would provide some form of benefit to making, you know,

791
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:05,200
 to juggling staff available after hours or when the others can meet.

792
01:03:05,540 --> 01:03:14,640
 >> If we met less frequently, just a suggestion, I don't have the answer other than I know

793
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:19,360
 that, and myself included, there are others who are not present today who have a --

794
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:20,620
 you know, there's definitely a challenge.

795
01:03:20,620 --> 01:03:28,140
 >> Would moving the meetings back later in the day help, though, like a 430 to 530?

796
01:03:28,140 --> 01:03:35,020
 I guess we need to find out what would work for those people that it's not working for now.

797
01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:44,160
 >> So we have a hard stop at 5 o'clock, so that window is from 3 to 5,

798
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:50,500
 and so that's the challenge that we're in, unless we did it over lunch.

799
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:51,680
 >> I think a lunch --

800
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:56,600
 >> Like a 1 to 130?

801
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:06,740
 >> Why don't we -- is there a desire to look for a date or time for October

802
01:04:06,740 --> 01:04:11,020
 or just go ahead and schedule a month off?

803
01:04:11,020 --> 01:04:15,360
 >> The reason -- I would hesitate to do that, Jessica,

804
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:21,600
 because of all of the projects we just went through, and being able to move them forward

805
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:26,840
 and pay attention to them being processed through.

806
01:04:27,380 --> 01:04:30,780
 >> Well, I think what was mentioned was that the subcommittees would meet,

807
01:04:30,780 --> 01:04:34,300
 so that progress would still be made.

808
01:04:34,300 --> 01:04:38,020
 It's just the main pack wouldn't meet until the next month.

809
01:04:38,020 --> 01:04:39,720
 Is that what you were saying, Gary?

810
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:40,520
 Is that what you were --

811
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:41,840
 >> Yes.

812
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:48,900
 >> Yeah, so maybe we could meet, let's say, try to meet October 15th,

813
01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:54,800
 October 20th, somewhere in there, and then we could have a couple subcommittee meetings

814
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,560
 for each of the sculptures, try to make progress.

815
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:01,020
 John will have some feedback on the DWIF.

816
01:05:01,020 --> 01:05:08,520
 We should be able -- we should have feedback pretty quickly on the Vela and the dog park ones

817
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:14,820
 and get those out in the cafe if we have to go to plan B and get those posted.

818
01:05:14,820 --> 01:05:18,920
 So that would give us time to really get everything out into the process

819
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:23,660
 and maybe even have some deadlines before that, and then we could come back to the committee

820
01:05:24,060 --> 01:05:30,980
 and get something scheduled for that, maybe late October and have some significant progress

821
01:05:30,980 --> 01:05:32,540
 for the group to consider as a whole.

822
01:05:32,540 --> 01:05:38,260
 >> And in the meantime, can we do some sort of survey?

823
01:05:38,260 --> 01:05:46,640
 >> Yes, we can send out something with time blocks.

824
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:52,620
 And I know that among all of the many things that are happening in our lives right now

825
01:05:52,620 --> 01:05:58,000
 that we're asking for incredible flexibility, so know that it's very much appreciated.

826
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:05,580
 >> Jessica, Eddie's online, and Eddie's kind of oversees organizing the park board

827
01:06:05,580 --> 01:06:09,100
 and getting that agenda all set up.

828
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:16,920
 Eddie, if you are still with us, is the set timeframe for meetings, is it 1230 to 230?

829
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:23,020
 >> Hi, everyone, Eddie Valdez, a management analyst for the Parks and Recreation Department.

830
01:06:23,020 --> 01:06:26,640
 So we don't have a set time.

831
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:31,440
 What I've been doing is to send out the survey because, you know, just like yourselves,

832
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:37,020
 our park board meeting and our attendees, you know, they work during those hours.

833
01:06:37,020 --> 01:06:40,820
 So I would try to plan at least a month in advance.

834
01:06:40,820 --> 01:06:49,180
 We've got a small little window of what days that we can try to book for a month in advance.

835
01:06:49,180 --> 01:06:53,280
 But I try to accommodate as much as everyone can try to make it.

836
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:58,360
 So I give them a couple options, maybe one day with multiple hours,

837
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,040
 or maybe one or two days with a couple hours.

838
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:05,400
 >> All right.

839
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:13,120
 Well, why don't we move forward with sending out a survey, if anyone knows of any hard days,

840
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:18,200
 like absolutely no Mondays for you or something like that, let us know so that we can take

841
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:24,360
 that into account, and we are going to try and do the best we can to accommodate everybody.

842
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:31,580
 And Ed's cat, which is my favorite.

843
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,180
 Does that count towards a quorum?

844
01:07:36,180 --> 01:07:38,540
 >> Max has the most intense eyes.

845
01:07:38,540 --> 01:07:42,140
 He's just -- he's like the Rami Malek of cats.

846
01:07:42,140 --> 01:07:47,600
 >> Okay. All right.

847
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:56,080
 >> Oh, Monet, you're on mute.

848
01:07:56,080 --> 01:08:02,240
 >> You hear me now?

849
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:02,880
 >> Yes.

850
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,320
 >> Item D, staff reports.

851
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:12,120
 >> So one quick staff report, which is something that I sent out to everyone earlier,

852
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:18,020
 and is that I'm very sad to say this is my last public art committee as the staff liaison.

853
01:08:18,020 --> 01:08:24,380
 We are reshifting and refocusing sort of department priorities.

854
01:08:24,380 --> 01:08:30,960
 And in all of this, Gary has so graciously agreed to take over the public art program.

855
01:08:31,420 --> 01:08:37,100
 And John and Drew and Gary and Eddie are getting all up to speed

856
01:08:37,100 --> 01:08:39,140
 on everything related to public art.

857
01:08:39,140 --> 01:08:41,020
 I have two boxes for him ready to go.

858
01:08:41,020 --> 01:08:44,760
 I was hoping he was going to be here today.

859
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:48,360
 But they're wonderful, and you guys are in very good hands.

860
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:52,540
 Unfortunately, though, you are not getting rid of me completely,

861
01:08:52,540 --> 01:08:59,020
 because economic development is going to stay over the cultural district's programming.

862
01:08:59,220 --> 01:09:02,780
 And so I will still come see you guys on a pretty regular basis.

863
01:09:02,780 --> 01:09:05,680
 I just won't be the staff liaison for the committee anymore.

864
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,600
 But I'll still be involved, of course, with the fellowship project

865
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,260
 and the ongoing programming for the cultural district.

866
01:09:12,260 --> 01:09:15,640
 So you still have me.

867
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:16,640
 I'll still be here.

868
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,020
 I'll just be in a little bit of a different capacity.

869
01:09:19,020 --> 01:09:21,380
 And you guys are in wonderful hands.

870
01:09:21,380 --> 01:09:28,720
 And in my email, I also noted that Parks is in the process of actually hiring a landscape

871
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:33,020
 architect that will be serving as the project lead for helping getting all

872
01:09:33,020 --> 01:09:43,060
 of these projects cited and coordinated and keeping us all in line on all of these projects.

873
01:09:43,060 --> 01:09:48,680
 But know that I've had a wonderful kind of past year and a half getting to know and work

874
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:53,160
 with all of you and have learned more about art and music

875
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,080
 and culture than I could have ever imagined.

876
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:59,160
 So thank you for at least letting me learn something.

877
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,420
 >> Well, thank you for everything that you've done for the committee.

878
01:10:02,420 --> 01:10:03,020
 You've been great.

879
01:10:03,020 --> 01:10:04,720
 >> Yeah. Thank you, Jessica.

880
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:10,020
 >> I think that's it.

881
01:10:10,020 --> 01:10:11,720
 That's all we have for the staff reports.

882
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:17,600
 >> And Gary, we promise to try to not torture you too much, but, you know, fingers crossed.

883
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,020
 >> Well, that's why we have four or five of us here.

884
01:10:21,020 --> 01:10:25,480
 >> Yeah. So Jessica is right.

885
01:10:25,480 --> 01:10:30,460
 We are in the process of hiring a landscape architect to eventually lead this committee.

886
01:10:30,460 --> 01:10:37,800
 Until that person is hired, John Whitmore and I will be the point people for that.

887
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:42,280
 And then the landscape architect will work with us and we'll integrate them

888
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:43,880
 in whenever they get hired.

889
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:49,400
 Eddie is going to help with setting up the meetings and, you know, the future survey

890
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:53,300
 that we're going to have to kind of really work with everyone to make the best time

891
01:10:53,300 --> 01:10:55,860
 that we can and provide that for you.

892
01:10:55,860 --> 01:11:01,320
 So, but if you have any questions or need anything, feel free to reach out to us.

893
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:07,620
 >> And I promise I'm not going anywhere leaving Denton, so you guys can always reach

894
01:11:07,620 --> 01:11:13,060
 out to me if you need something and we'll all track Drew down.

895
01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:20,800
 >> So I guess our next step in the meantime, John will be reaching out to everyone,

896
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:25,020
 try to get subcommittee set up once we get a couple of these proposals out

897
01:11:25,020 --> 01:11:26,820
 and we'll get those organized.

898
01:11:26,820 --> 01:11:30,180
 We can do those in the evening because those are not recorded with a quorum.

899
01:11:30,180 --> 01:11:37,680
 So we can get those scheduled next week and get out all these other projects in the works.

900
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:42,980
 Looking forward to getting those going and seeing some more art installed.

901
01:11:43,060 --> 01:11:48,160
 >> Including items?

902
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:55,520
 >> So I have a quick question.

903
01:11:55,520 --> 01:12:05,540
 So just looking ahead to any future public art projects and RFQs that we're going to be doing,

904
01:12:05,540 --> 01:12:12,480
 and I think we talked about this last time, but I just want to make sure that there's a plan

905
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:19,400
 in place for any future RFQs to avoid this, like, problem that we're having recently with a lot

906
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:24,920
 of the artists not wanting to do these smaller scale projects, right?

907
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:29,920
 >> So that's a good question.

908
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,700
 Jessica, go ahead, I'll let you, I don't want to interrupt you, sorry.

909
01:12:33,700 --> 01:12:38,740
 >> So we did in the original, I went back and looked because I heard this question

910
01:12:38,740 --> 01:12:44,460
 at the last meeting, even though I wasn't here, but I went back and looked at what we put

911
01:12:44,460 --> 01:12:50,920
 out in CAFE, and it looked like we said that projects would be no more than $50,000,

912
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:58,280
 and then we have had, of course, one that, so we did indicate it in the CAFE call,

913
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:04,580
 but certainly, I mean, if I was an artist, I'd probably want to be as pre-qualified as possible

914
01:13:04,580 --> 01:13:07,220
 and then be able to make that determination.

915
01:13:07,220 --> 01:13:13,860
 So we can definitely look at what we've put in CAFE before and see if we can't make

916
01:13:13,860 --> 01:13:18,100
 that more clear or if we can do some sort of stratification or something.

917
01:13:18,100 --> 01:13:24,320
 I think that that's a very fair question, so something that we'll want

918
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,140
 to make sure we clarify going forward.

919
01:13:26,140 --> 01:13:33,240
 >> Jessica, as a follow-up to that, in the, of the submittals that we did get through CAFE,

920
01:13:33,480 --> 01:13:41,120
 did we get, or did we look at the number of local artists that submitted or that were approved?

921
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,700
 >> I don't think so.

922
01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:50,940
 I mean, I don't think we went through specifically to say this one's local, this one's not local.

923
01:13:50,940 --> 01:13:59,880
 I'm trying to think, I think the, Ed, I know you were on the pre-qualification scoring committee.

924
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:07,180
 You just received like their statements and their CVs and then the images,

925
01:14:07,180 --> 01:14:10,740
 but I don't think you necessarily got something that said this person is local,

926
01:14:10,740 --> 01:14:12,080
 this person is not local.

927
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,060
 >> That is correct.

928
01:14:13,060 --> 01:14:20,960
 >> Yeah, it'd be nice to, if we do an RFQ in the future to be able to know

929
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,900
 that because that will have a lot to do with budget as well.

930
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:36,740
 >> So, yeah, we could, if there was some desire in the future, if you wanted to kind

931
01:14:36,740 --> 01:14:45,280
 of take a step back or if we wanted to try maybe a couple pieces a different route or do it maybe

932
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:52,720
 in concert with CAFE where we could reach out to TSA or Texas Sculpture Association or some

933
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,860
 of the other groups that have promoted them and they'll promote them

934
01:14:55,860 --> 01:14:59,160
 for free to their members as well.

935
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:06,460
 So, and that might get you more of a focused return on people within a drive as opposed to,

936
01:15:06,460 --> 01:15:10,720
 you know, across the country that increases that shipping costs

937
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,820
 and that expense to bring it down.

938
01:15:12,820 --> 01:15:17,560
 So that's another direction that we could talk about in the future.

939
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:30,340
 >> Anything else?

940
01:15:30,340 --> 01:15:41,340
 >> And then another future agenda item two is the paying, I know,

941
01:15:41,340 --> 01:15:45,100
 like we've had this conversation before, I can't remember where we left off,

942
01:15:45,100 --> 01:15:49,980
 but there was the paying artists for proposals, right?

943
01:15:55,200 --> 01:16:04,060
 We talked about the last meeting, that as well as the temporary art program and we didn't put those

944
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:07,840
 on the agenda because we were trying to get everybody focused on the sculpture projects

945
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:13,640
 that we have and then we'll circle back around maybe in October or November with updates

946
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:18,240
 on these projects, try to get those other ones out the door and then we can talk

947
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,840
 about these for future projects and then we also do have to circle back

948
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,560
 around on the transportation project funding that we have.

949
01:16:25,820 --> 01:16:27,980
 So that's another future discussion.

950
01:16:27,980 --> 01:16:41,500
 >> If there's nothing else, we can close the meeting at 4/24.

951
01:16:41,500 --> 01:16:44,540
 >> Thank you, everyone.

952
01:16:44,540 --> 01:16:45,260
 >> Thank you.