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 Welcome back to the city of Denton use of force ad hoc committee.

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 Our first item of tonight will August 13 2020 will be the minutes from the last meeting.

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 And if you've had a chance to look over the minutes from the last meeting, I will need

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 a motion to approve the minutes Gary make a motion I need a second.

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 Yancy seconded. All in favor. Raise your hand or say aye. Hold them up for a second.

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 Any nays. Okay, I'll approve motion carries.

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 The next item is to review and discuss follow up items from the previous committee meetings

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 last week you had questions that you posed and I think we're going to have the answers

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 to those Sarah. Yes, so included in your backup. We did draft

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 a document that kind of summarize the questions and answers we heard from committee members

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 last time. So if there's any additional questions or inquiries that we did not capture, please

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 let us know. We just want to make sure we're getting the information to you during the

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 meeting or following the meeting. But I think most of the questions were actually

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 addressed during last week's meeting or we will have presentations and info upcoming

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 for you. Did anyone have any additional questions

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 that they wanted at this time for with regards to last week's meeting.

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 Okay. So we'll go to item C, receive a report and

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 hold a discussion regarding proposed topic areas related to use of force in the Denton

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 Police Department, including internal affairs, training, accreditation and compliance policy

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 and use of force and provide staff direction on findings or recommendations by topic area.

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 Alright, good evening, Madam Chair and committee members. It's a pleasure to be here with you

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 again. So based on our last few weeks of discussion,

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 we wanted to take the opportunity to put together kind of the five key areas that we've kind

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 of had recurring discussions about and questions about. And we thought if we package these

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 individually and presented them to you individually, we could have a more robust discussion about

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 each area. And that being internal affairs, which we talked about last week, training,

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 accreditation and compliance policy and our general orders and then use of force.

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 So tonight we're going to go through and if you look in your backup, you should have gotten

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 I believe it's like a 36 page document that had all these areas spelled out with a pretty

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 exhaustive summary for each for you to reference. Tonight we're going to do training and what

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 I'm going to have do is Deputy Chief Frank Padgett, who's over the training division will

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 present didn't PD training requirements, state requirements, compared to the department's

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 additional requirements, the number of training hours versus years of service, how you obtain

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 different levels of certification from your basic intermediate advanced masters. And then

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 we'll have Dr. Richard Williams, who's our accreditation and compliance specialist, talk

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 to you about our comprehensive training plan. It's a plan that we moving to, to be more

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 intentional and more focused about what training we're offering. You know, kind of laying out

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 career tracks for officers to better serve the public. So with that, I'll turn it over

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 to Deputy Chief Padgett first, unless there's any questions for me.

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 All right. I just want to let you guys know to leave your cameras on throughout the duration

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 of this meeting so that we can have you on camera. Thank you. You're on mute.

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 Of course I am. One in every meeting, right? Good evening, Madam Chair and committee. I

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 am Frank Padgett, Deputy Chief of the Support Bureau of the Denton Police Department. That's

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 a criminal investigations, training, jail, and our fleet. So I want to start tonight.

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 The sanctity of life is the basis of everything that we do at the Denton Police Department.

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 And that begins with training. And each officer that comes into our department begins as a

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 basic police officer. Even our lateral officers go through the basic police academy. And what

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 we learn in the academy is that as officers, we can only use the authority that's given

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 to us by the public. That authority has been given to us by the legislature of the state.

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 It's given to us also by case law. And case law is the law that comes out of courts. You

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 know, after somebody's been arrested and then they go on appeal and different courts look

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 at it and they decide, well, they interpret what the legislature meant by the law. So

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 when I teach in the academy, I teach arrest, search, and seizure, and that goes -- that

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 covers the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution. In the first four hours

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 of that class, it's not mandated by the state to teach this, but we spend the first four

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 hours of class in Denton PD's academy getting the recruits' hearts and minds right. We set

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 them up so that they're ready to receive the knowledge. We remind them, you are citizens.

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 You're also the police, but the police are only citizens that have been given the authority

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 to do certain things. So we kind of put it back on them to put them back in the seat

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 of the citizen. And how are you going to look as a citizen, how are you going to look when

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 you get stopped by the police? How are you going to react when an officer wants to search

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 your vehicle? So we put that back on them. Because as officers, they need the knowledge,

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 but they also need to have compassion, which leads to discretion. You know, is it -- the

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 knowledge is what can we do? What does the law say we can do as officers? The discretion

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 comes in where that is the what should we do. What's the right thing in this situation?

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 We want to make critical decision makers. We don't want to make robots. We don't want

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 to make officers that look at every situation the same. You know, not every problem is a

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 nail. So not every solution needs to be a hammer. We need officers to be able to go

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 into situations, correctly assess that situation, and then decide what is the correct course

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 of action. And we do that by teaching problem-solving. We do teach problem-solving different methods,

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 the SARA method we teach in the academy. So then once you're out of the academy, there's

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 ongoing training. The state of Texas, T-COL, you can go to -- it's T-COL, T-C-O-L-E dot

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 Texas dot org, and you can find every syllabus for every training that police officers in

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 Texas have to go to. Every two years, there's a two-year cycle, and every officer from the

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 chief on down has to go through 40 hours of training every two years. Some of that is

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 mandated training. Each legislature that meets every two years will come up with different

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 training that we have to go through. You'll see some of that. I'll bring up the presentation

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 here in a minute. But you'll see some of that is state mandated, and that changes every

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 two years. And every two years, we have to go through an illegal update, which teaches

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 the officers, okay, this was the law two years ago. It's changed now, and here's the update

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 so that you know it. Because on September 1st, when that law goes into effect, we need

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 to know it. So there's T-COL. There's our basic curriculum. There is our -- and each

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 -- you have the basic proficiency certificate that you get, then you have an intermediate

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 and an advanced and then a master's certificate as a peace officer. And each one requires

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 different things. Some of it is training in the classes that you have to take that are

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 mandated by the state, and then some of it is time in employment as an officer. Because

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 we understand that some of the training is on the job training. It's experience. It's

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 putting yourself in those positions and applying the knowledge that you have to different situations.

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 So we have T-COL. We have -- we went through a PERF review two years ago now. That guides

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 some of our training. Dr. Williams will talk about our comprehensive training plan here

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 in just a little bit, and he'll go through all of the things that led into that plan.

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 And then, you know, the last thing that really drives our training is the 21st century policing

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 pillars. And that's being trust and legitimacy -- sorry -- policy and oversight, technology

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 and social media, community policing and crime reduction, training and education, and officer

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 safety and wellness. And that officer safety and wellness, you know, that's getting officers

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 well so that they are mentally well themselves to deal with the next call. And they're not

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 holding things in and bringing that baggage to the next call that they go to. So let me

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 bring this up. That's not what I wanted.

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 Okay. So this is our basic and intermediate training. You'll see the courses there. Our

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 basic academy is 716 hours. Then field training is another 742 hours. And our field training

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 is when the recruit graduates the academy, comes into field training, rides with a field

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 training officer, a teacher, for 12 hours a day, and they do 742 hours of that training.

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 They may do more if they're -- if we find that they're deficient in a certain area or

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 if they are out for an extended period of time. For some reason, you know, they get

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 sick or something, they'll have them make that up and do a little bit more training.

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 And like I said, the two-year cycle is 40 hours every two years. But the basic academy

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 and field training, that's almost 1500 hours of training that a police officer gets before

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 they're actually able to go out on their own. The academy takes about four to five months.

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 But then they're in the field training for almost that long as well. So it's almost 1500

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 hours before an officer is allowed to go out by themselves. The intermediate certification,

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 that will be the next level that an officer rises to. Right now, the mandated courses

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 are child abuse, crime scene, use of force, an intermediate arrest, search, and seizure,

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 and a Spanish class. Some of those classes, the Denton Academy does 716 hours because

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 we include two mandated classes in our academy. The state only requires 696 hours. But we

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 throw those -- de-escalation and other class, we throw in the academy and don't wait until

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 officers graduate to take those classes. And then -- so the -- over on the right, the hours

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 and years of service to obtain an intermediate certification, if you have an associate's

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 degree and gone through the required mandated state training, then you also have to do four

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 years on the street before you can get that certification. If you have a bachelor's degree

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 or higher, it's only two years. Because you've had that -- if you have that bachelor's degree,

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 you've had some education. And the state takes that into account that you've put in the work

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 to earn that degree. If you don't have any education as far as a degree, then you'll

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 see the hours go up and the years of service go up. You have to have the hours of training

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 plus the years of service to be able to obtain that degree.

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 Legislative mandates, if they're not part of the academy, if we don't take them in the

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 academy, let's say officers that graduate this year from the academy, well, in two years,

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 the legislature decides, well, there's another course that we mandate. Well, the officers

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 that graduated the academy this year didn't get that course. So they're going to have

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 to go back, do some in-service training, and go ahead and take that course. Right now,

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 the legislative mandates are body-warm camera. If you're going to wear a body-warm camera,

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 you have to have a minimum of two hours training. K-9 encounters, it teaches officers how to

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 deal with dogs, how to read dog's body language. Civilian interaction, that's how do we interact

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 with civilians on the street, traffic stops, doing the seven-step violator contact, which

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 is how do we actually come up to your window if we stopped you for speeding and interact

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 with you appropriately? The other half of that is in the high schools, we do civilian

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 interaction training with the students. And they're taught, if you're stopped by the police,

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 how should you react appropriately? So we're getting that from both ends. Cultural diversity

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 and diversity, de-escalation, and de-escalation is the go-to philosophy of the Dent Police

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 Department. We will de-escalate every encounter that we can to the extent that we can. Eyewitness

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 identification, human trafficking, identity theft, interacting with drivers who are deaf

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 or hard of hearing, we get that training. Racial profiling, and then the department-mandated

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 training. Since Chief Dixon came in in October of 2018, we have mandated some extra training

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 that will get us to where we want to be in the future. We've had Autism 101, we teach

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 us officers how to interact with persons that may be experiencing autism. Autism is on a

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 spectrum, so you may have people that are completely nonverbal, you may have people

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 that are very high functioning, and anywhere in between. So we've seen instances where

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 officers encounter someone with autism, they believe that person is intoxicated based on

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 their observations, and this will teach us officers how to distinguish that, how to draw

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 that line, how to take the step back and say, "Oh, this may not be an intoxicated person.

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 This may be something completely different, so I need to approach this in a different

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 way." That was really good training. Human relations, how to interact with each other

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 in the workplace, how to treat each other with dignity and respect. Fair and impartial

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 policing, that covers the explicit and implicit bias. Animal abuse investigations, the duty

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 to intercede, that's on the front of our plate right now, is you have to have the duty to

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 intercede. It's required by the department, but it's required by us individually that

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 to be good officers, we have to be able to intercede. I mean, that's what we're doing

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 out there when we're called to a call, we're interceding. We have to be able to see that

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 within ourselves and stop another officer from going over the line. Going back to what

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 I teach in the academy, you have to be able to respectfully, at least respectfully interact

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 with your, or interject with your supervisors and say, "Sards, I'm not doing that. That's

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 against the law. I don't think we have enough to put this guy in jail. We can't do that,

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 and respectfully, I'm not doing it." We have to be able to do that. The duty to intercede

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 really covers the not so overt. It's easy. In a TV show, what would you do? It's easier

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 to interact or interject when something is overt, but what is your duty when things aren't

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 so overt? That goes into that. First line of supervisor training on violence

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 against ... Oh, this is IACP training that we did, International Association Chiefs of

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 Police. We were a recipient of a grant, and we had about 18 months of very intensive family

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 violence, domestic violence training. That was first line supervisor training on violence

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 against women, identifying and responding to stalking, determining the dominant aggressor.

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 Who is the dominant aggressor? You go to a domestic ... I think Cheryl was saying earlier

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 that she stepped into dispatch earlier, and they told her that there was 12 to 15 calls

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 a day of domestic violence. How do you determine the dominant aggressor when both people have

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 bumps and bruises? When maybe the one party seems to be more aggressive when officers

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 are on scene, but when you dig through it, really, who started the interaction? That

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 training helps officers ... We don't want to go to a domestic and arrest everybody.

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 We have to be able to investigate and determine which one was really the dominant aggressor

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 and which one was simply fighting back. Improving our response to non-fatal strangulation

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 assaults. We have a lot of domestics that are strangulation assaults, and strangulation

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 isn't always easily identifiable. Maybe the marks don't show up immediately, so that's

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 hard to see sometimes, so we had training on that. How do we improve? How do we ... We

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 brought the fire department in so that they would see the effects of strangulation assaults,

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 because they may get called to a scene or they may remove somebody from a scene before

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 we get there, so we brought them in so that they would have a better understanding. Integrating

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 victimless rights. Preparing for and learning how to survive vicarious trauma. Again, that

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 goes back to officer wellness. Officers are exposed to vicarious trauma. The calls that

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 officers go on, the things they see, that gets bottled up and that overflows. How do

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 we get the officers to be able to filter that better so that when they go from a really

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 bad scene to the next scene and then they deal with somebody who's just not being nice

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 to the officer, how do they respond effectively? NIMS and ICS training. That is the incident

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 command training. If we have a tornado here in town, how do we train? How do we work with

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 the fire department, the airport, solid waste? How do we interact with the rest of the city

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 so we can get the city back running? The escalation I talked about. Taser, OC spray, baton, Narcan.

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 Narcan, that's something new for us. We received training on that very recently and have been

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 able to save several lives that people were overdosed on heroin and officers were able

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 to respond, deliver the Narcan and those people recovered, whereas they might have died had

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 the officer not been there. We had one officer, I think he responded and saved two or three

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 lives within a week. Standardized field sobriety test. That's the standardized test for driving

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 while intoxicated that we do. Well, we have trained the trainer and we have certain certifications

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 that you have to go through on a regular basis. Emergency vehicle operations. How do we operate

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 our vehicles? In emergencies and non-emergencies. Defensive tactics and then active shooter.

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 We went down to one of the schools and did some active shooter training. We get actors

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 that -- so it's part of that critical decision making. We bring actors in so that the officers

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 have to respond and they have to decide who is a threat and who is not. You know, so we

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 do that training. Going forward, Dr. Williams will talk about the comprehensive training

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 plan that we have for the department and that includes from the academy to a special assignment.

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 You know, what does a sexual assault investigator need for training? What does a narcotics officer

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 need for training? What does a training officer? What does the people that are going to teach

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 our officers? What do they need for training? And then what is the training that the department

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 needs as a whole? Dr. Williams will talk about that. Questions? Nancy?

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 >> Chief, I know I understand it, but a lot of people on the committee probably don't

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 understand. Can you go back to the first slide where we were talking about intermediate in

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 the hours that's mandated for training and all that dealing with intermediate training

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 and the academy? Not that one. The other one talking about the hours.

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 >> So I just want the committee to know that the hours that's on the right-hand side over

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 where it says intermediate hours, those are in addition to the required courses and those

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 are actually training hours, not hours that's where people actually just come to work. Some

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 people might think that the 2400 hours is working hours, but those are actually continuing

00:25:38.900 --> 00:25:44.420
 education that officers actually have to go through in order to actually receive that

00:25:44.420 --> 00:25:51.540
 certification, not work hours. So that's continuing education. And the education has to be approved

00:25:51.540 --> 00:25:56.740
 by TECO, which is the licensing agency for the state, so you can't just go take a class

00:25:56.740 --> 00:26:02.460
 on the water, basket weaving or something, and think those hours count towards the education

00:26:02.460 --> 00:26:08.380
 hours. >> Right. And those hours, too, those hours

00:26:08.380 --> 00:26:14.100
 are what time did you spend in a class, whether that's you're sitting in a classroom listening

00:26:14.100 --> 00:26:19.540
 to a lecture or you're going through scenario training. Scenario training is taking the

00:26:19.540 --> 00:26:26.020
 knowledge that you have and applying it in situations or whether you were driving a vehicle

00:26:26.020 --> 00:26:35.220
 for eight hours on a track. That's actual class time.

00:26:35.220 --> 00:26:39.420
 >> Thank you. I just wanted to make sure they understood that was training hours, not working

00:26:39.420 --> 00:26:45.420
 hours. >> Yes, sir. Thank you for that.

00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:48.580
 >> Chief, my name is John Veins. Can you hear me okay?

00:26:48.580 --> 00:26:51.740
 >> Yes, sir. >> I have a question, please. Actually I have

00:26:51.740 --> 00:27:03.580
 two questions. The first is can you talk about let's say updates, having training updates?

00:27:03.580 --> 00:27:09.580
 And then secondly, can you talk about when your supervisor recognizes that a subordinate

00:27:09.580 --> 00:27:15.260
 is in need of additional training, talk about the process that's in place here in Denton.

00:27:15.260 --> 00:27:21.460
 Those two specifics, please. >> Okay. When you say updates, do you mean

00:27:21.460 --> 00:27:29.740
 updates to the training that like say you take a arrest, search, and seizure class in

00:27:29.740 --> 00:27:36.700
 the academy and then you take an intermediate arrest, search, and seizure once you're out

00:27:36.700 --> 00:27:42.100
 of the academy, that update or are you saying the actual -- how often is the curriculum

00:27:42.100 --> 00:27:44.580
 updated? >> Well, let's say for example I've been an

00:27:44.580 --> 00:27:50.860
 officer for 15 years and I had some training in my first two years. You know, it's just

00:27:50.860 --> 00:27:56.980
 like anything else, you need a refresher course from time to time. So could you talk about

00:27:56.980 --> 00:28:03.740
 is there a refresher course that we take the officers through just to make sure they're

00:28:03.740 --> 00:28:09.260
 staying abreast of any changes that may have occurred. And then secondly, if a supervisor

00:28:09.260 --> 00:28:15.940
 notices that one of the subordinates is in need of perhaps sensitivity training or something

00:28:15.940 --> 00:28:21.780
 in their annual review, they realize that it would be good that they go back and take

00:28:21.780 --> 00:28:27.200
 something old or take something new to kind of help them in their development.

00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:33.660
 >> Yes, sir. The legislature comes out with new laws every two years so we get a legal

00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:41.060
 update every two years and every officer is mandated to take that update training. Yes.

00:28:41.060 --> 00:28:47.660
 And then to your point about supervisors, if a supervisor recognizes any deficiency,

00:28:47.660 --> 00:28:52.100
 they can send someone to training any time they want.

00:28:52.100 --> 00:28:59.460
 >> Do you know if that occurs regularly or is that kind of an exception to the rule?

00:28:59.460 --> 00:29:08.860
 >> I would say I don't know how regularly. I know that officers will -- I get training

00:29:08.860 --> 00:29:14.680
 requests all the time. They have to fill out a form and they say I want to -- because training

00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:20.860
 costs money so it has to get approved up through the chain. So I get requests all the time.

00:29:20.860 --> 00:29:28.540
 You know, how do I -- I want to know what the current practice is for murder investigations.

00:29:28.540 --> 00:29:33.140
 I supervise detectives so I'll use that as an example. I want to know what the current

00:29:33.140 --> 00:29:38.500
 practices are. I want to know what the current law is if I want to search a cell phone. I

00:29:38.500 --> 00:29:44.100
 want to know what the current law is if I want to get, you know, certain records or

00:29:44.100 --> 00:29:49.460
 submit a subpoena or a warrant or that sort of thing. So whether that's -- whether that's

00:29:49.460 --> 00:29:53.540
 the officers asking themselves and they just want to be better or if that supervisor is

00:29:53.540 --> 00:30:01.620
 doing it, it's probably a mixture of both. I know that if a supervisor does recognize

00:30:01.620 --> 00:30:08.820
 that deficiency or we have any disciplinary action, we'll have a training component with

00:30:08.820 --> 00:30:13.740
 it. And that disciplinary action may not be, you know, hard discipline. You know, it may

00:30:13.740 --> 00:30:21.900
 just be this wasn't a big deal, but I think you still need training in this area to get

00:30:21.900 --> 00:30:25.700
 you better. >> One last thing, chief, and thank you for

00:30:25.700 --> 00:30:34.620
 your indulgence. I -- the incident in Minneapolis kind of is paramount in our consciousness.

00:30:34.620 --> 00:30:39.000
 And so we have an office -- we had an officer there who apparently had received several

00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:46.100
 reprimands and several -- how would you say -- notifications of inappropriate behavior.

00:30:46.100 --> 00:30:52.740
 So I don't know if there they had a mechanism in place where once you recognize this person's

00:30:52.740 --> 00:30:57.440
 having difficulty, let's put them through training and let's make sure that we do everything

00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:01.940
 we can to make sure we make them the best that they can be on the streets. And that's

00:31:01.940 --> 00:31:10.420
 my last question for right now. Thank you. >> Yes. I don't know what they had in place.

00:31:10.420 --> 00:31:17.620
 I know in Denton we actively look at officer issues. And, you know, they'll do things on

00:31:17.620 --> 00:31:21.460
 the street that, you know, it's not illegal, it's not a violation of policy. It's just

00:31:21.460 --> 00:31:29.820
 somebody will go, you know, so-and-so did this, you know. I think we need some arrest

00:31:29.820 --> 00:31:36.580
 search and seizure training or something else or some human interaction training.

00:31:36.580 --> 00:31:46.300
 >> I think that officer had 18 disciplinary actions and his 19 years of service with that.

00:31:46.300 --> 00:31:52.800
 I'll go to Pam and then we'll go to Jamie for questions.

00:31:52.800 --> 00:31:57.700
 >> Thank you. Deputy Chief, can you tell me what kind of mental health training that you

00:31:57.700 --> 00:32:04.740
 offer for your officers currently? I know the chief is working on training for the future,

00:32:04.740 --> 00:32:09.660
 but can you tell me currently what's available, please?

00:32:09.660 --> 00:32:16.220
 >> There's we have autism training that the department offered that's not mandated. We

00:32:16.220 --> 00:32:23.780
 do have some mandated courses as far as mental health. And then there's also a mental health

00:32:23.780 --> 00:32:31.580
 peace officer. It's kind of a step above the basic class that officers get in the academy

00:32:31.580 --> 00:32:36.100
 or in the extended training if they didn't get it in the academy.

00:32:36.100 --> 00:32:41.500
 >> Do all officers receive it? >> Not all officers get the peace officer

00:32:41.500 --> 00:32:49.380
 training. They don't all get that. Not to that level, anyway.

00:32:49.380 --> 00:32:55.460
 >> Is there any other? >> Back to-I'm sorry.

00:32:55.460 --> 00:33:04.180
 >> I'm sorry. Is there any other training? >> There-I'll just point to the autism. The

00:33:04.180 --> 00:33:14.580
 mental health peace officer certification and then the dealing with people with mental

00:33:14.580 --> 00:33:19.580
 health class that they get. >> Okay. Thank you, sir.

00:33:19.580 --> 00:33:24.580
 >> Yeah. And can I go back just real quick to Mr. Bain's question? We do have an early

00:33:24.580 --> 00:33:31.620
 intervention system. You know, if an officer has so many uses of force within a certain

00:33:31.620 --> 00:33:37.340
 amount of time, that pops up red flags to supervisors to say, hey, you know, this person's

00:33:37.340 --> 00:33:42.340
 had so many uses of force. We need to look at this. The supervisors can look at it and

00:33:42.340 --> 00:33:48.940
 say, okay, yeah, you had so many in this amount of time, but they were all reasonable.

00:33:48.940 --> 00:33:54.340
 Or we can look and say, you know, you've had maybe not-maybe they weren't all the same

00:33:54.340 --> 00:33:58.420
 thing. Maybe it was a use of force. Maybe it was a discouraging complaint and something

00:33:58.420 --> 00:34:03.020
 else. And we kind of put those pieces together as an early warning system to say something's

00:34:03.020 --> 00:34:08.300
 going on within its officer. You know, it may-we may need to look beyond and, you know,

00:34:08.300 --> 00:34:12.820
 maybe something that weren't officer's personal life. Maybe they've gone on some really bad

00:34:12.820 --> 00:34:22.580
 calls, had, you know, several-been on the-had infants die, you know, maybe three infants

00:34:22.580 --> 00:34:29.060
 die in a very short amount of time. You know, so that officer may be dealing with something

00:34:29.060 --> 00:34:34.180
 that we need to look at and maybe bring in peer support to help that officer work through

00:34:34.180 --> 00:34:43.940
 those issues. Okay. And if we have participants with discipline, if you keep getting in trouble,

00:34:43.940 --> 00:34:48.180
 your discipline's going to go up, you know. And again, that doesn't have to be for the

00:34:48.180 --> 00:34:53.540
 same thing. It could be a pattern of, you know, we look at it as a pattern. Is it a

00:34:53.540 --> 00:34:58.100
 pattern of bad decisions? Whether it's use of force or discourtesy or whatever it is,

00:34:58.100 --> 00:35:02.380
 is this a pattern of bad decisions this officer is making? And we need to get to the root

00:35:02.380 --> 00:35:08.540
 of why is this officer making these decisions? Is it training? Is it our policy? Is it something

00:35:08.540 --> 00:35:11.180
 personal with the officer?

00:35:11.180 --> 00:35:21.140
 Thank you so much Deputy Chief for this explanation. I have two questions and then one comment,

00:35:21.140 --> 00:35:27.300
 and so I hope you'll give me some grace as I walk through all those. My comment is that

00:35:27.300 --> 00:35:35.460
 I am incredibly grateful that the department has taken proactive steps to support and understand

00:35:35.460 --> 00:35:40.860
 the needs of those with autism. It is important for me though to just say that I don't really

00:35:40.860 --> 00:35:46.100
 classify autism in the same type of behavioral and mental health category as I feel like

00:35:46.100 --> 00:35:54.220
 Pam's questions were addressing. So autism is a developmental disability that impacts

00:35:54.220 --> 00:35:59.420
 the way that people communicate and interface with the world. It's not really a mental health

00:35:59.420 --> 00:36:04.940
 problem. And so I do think that there are some additional steps that we in the City

00:36:04.940 --> 00:36:12.360
 of Denton can take to address mental health calls that our officers are going out on,

00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:16.940
 but it's really important to me that we make some distinction there. And so I hope you'll

00:36:16.940 --> 00:36:22.100
 forgive me and give me an opportunity to just kind of make that comment as an educational

00:36:22.100 --> 00:36:23.100
 moment.

00:36:23.100 --> 00:36:25.900
 Absolutely. Thank you for that.

00:36:25.900 --> 00:36:31.660
 In terms of my questions, and they go to what Mr. Baines was speaking to a little bit, sort

00:36:31.660 --> 00:36:37.620
 of a follow up from that. And it is, are there particular types of calls that our officers

00:36:37.620 --> 00:36:45.900
 may go on that then mandate additional training? So for example, if we have officers that attend,

00:36:45.900 --> 00:36:50.420
 I mean, they're dealing with catastrophe and trauma every day, right? But if we were to

00:36:50.420 --> 00:36:58.420
 have a mass shooting or a mass murder or something like that, are there particular types of incidents

00:36:58.420 --> 00:37:06.580
 or calls that in and of themselves necessitate specific types of training, refresher options

00:37:06.580 --> 00:37:10.660
 or whatnot for our officers?

00:37:10.660 --> 00:37:18.220
 Good question. I don't think there's a specific type of call that would mandate training,

00:37:18.220 --> 00:37:25.420
 but if we had something like that, a mass shooting, a mass murder, a tragic bus accident

00:37:25.420 --> 00:37:30.940
 with a lot of kids that were injured, our peer support team that we've started, we would

00:37:30.940 --> 00:37:37.180
 engage them so that they could counsel the officers and either decide, you know, maybe

00:37:37.180 --> 00:37:41.540
 certain officers need additional counseling or maybe they do need training, that sort

00:37:41.540 --> 00:37:45.780
 of thing. But it's about the officer wellness in that case is how do we get the officer

00:37:45.780 --> 00:37:51.260
 well so that when they go back out on the street, they can interact appropriately?

00:37:51.260 --> 00:37:59.520
 And then sort of a follow up to the question and the sort of refreshing moment that Officer

00:37:59.520 --> 00:38:07.780
 Green offered us about the table and chart of the hours of training required. I want

00:38:07.780 --> 00:38:12.940
 you to explain it to me like I'm in second grade a little bit, okay? So let's say I have

00:38:12.940 --> 00:38:19.620
 a bachelor's degree and I have been on other police forces before coming to the City of

00:38:19.620 --> 00:38:25.180
 Denton. Let's just say for the sake of this conversation, I was on a police force in a

00:38:25.180 --> 00:38:30.940
 neighboring community for 10 years before joining the Denton police force. Based on

00:38:30.940 --> 00:38:38.660
 that chart, would I be required to do the 700 and some odd hours of basic training and

00:38:38.660 --> 00:38:46.020
 whatever the 400 or 600, whatever it was for my level of experience? Or does it reset when

00:38:46.020 --> 00:38:52.380
 I move to a different municipality? Sorry. Like I said, just treat me like I'm in second

00:38:52.380 --> 00:39:00.500
 grade. I'm sorry. I completely understand the question. If the 716 hours that we do,

00:39:00.500 --> 00:39:08.260
 that is for that state mandated basic training for police officers. If that officer was a

00:39:08.260 --> 00:39:14.700
 police officer in another Texas city, they would have gotten that training already. Okay.

00:39:14.700 --> 00:39:23.660
 So they come to Denton and we make them go through some abbreviated training. You know,

00:39:23.660 --> 00:39:30.260
 how do we do things in Denton? We have a lateral, we call it a lateral academy. It's about six

00:39:30.260 --> 00:39:35.860
 weeks and we send them through that training and we send all of our new, all of the Denton

00:39:35.860 --> 00:39:44.740
 recruits that graduate the 716 hour academy also go through another six weeks of Denton

00:39:44.740 --> 00:39:51.140
 specific training. Okay. And then, so that officer that's in, that was an officer somewhere

00:39:51.140 --> 00:39:55.980
 else for 10 years, they come to us, they go through that six weeks and then they do field

00:39:55.980 --> 00:40:00.700
 training also. Again, that's abbreviated because they already, you know, know the basics of

00:40:00.700 --> 00:40:07.180
 what they're doing. You know, they don't have to learn how to do a traffic stop anymore,

00:40:07.180 --> 00:40:10.420
 but we need to make sure that they're going to do it the way we expect them to do it.

00:40:10.420 --> 00:40:15.100
 They're going to treat people the way we expect them to treat people. So they do ride with

00:40:15.100 --> 00:40:22.220
 a field training officer as a partner, but it's not as long as a basic recruit. That's

00:40:22.220 --> 00:40:29.980
 just learning how to do things. And then the hours that you talk about, does that reset?

00:40:29.980 --> 00:40:34.600
 No, that's state mandated training and they would have already had those hours in the

00:40:34.600 --> 00:40:40.640
 10 years they were with that other department. Does that make sense?

00:40:40.640 --> 00:40:47.660
 Just extrapolating out, one of the things that I feel like our committee has learned

00:40:47.660 --> 00:40:55.780
 over the past several weeks is sort of the culture that Chief Dixon expects in Denton

00:40:55.780 --> 00:41:03.420
 and how it does already differ from other municipalities, not just in Texas, but for

00:41:03.420 --> 00:41:09.940
 example, like in Minneapolis, which I think, you know, sort of necessitated or began some

00:41:09.940 --> 00:41:19.020
 of this conversation. So are you telling me that that abbreviated training for lateral

00:41:19.020 --> 00:41:24.420
 training is where they're going to get the, this is how the culture and experience and

00:41:24.420 --> 00:41:30.260
 the people of Denton are different than where you were before, including attitudes of citizens

00:41:30.260 --> 00:41:34.640
 and things like that are just, this is how we do a traffic stop as opposed to how they

00:41:34.640 --> 00:41:37.220
 do it in Lubbock or whatnot.

00:41:37.220 --> 00:41:43.180
 Absolutely. They're going to start learning Denton police culture.

00:41:43.180 --> 00:41:48.760
 And then related to disability, I saw that you do some training on autism, you do some

00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:54.180
 training about working with folks that are hearing and visually impaired for all of the

00:41:54.180 --> 00:42:00.140
 other spectrum of disability. 57 million people in the United States with lots of different

00:42:00.140 --> 00:42:07.620
 kinds of disabilities. Are our officers receiving any training related to any of the other ways

00:42:07.620 --> 00:42:13.260
 you could divide that population in some of these other trainings that they receive?

00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:17.860
 I would have to look at the state website and really look at that training and see how

00:42:17.860 --> 00:42:22.340
 it's broken down. So I can get you that answer.

00:42:22.340 --> 00:42:28.580
 I do think that we are uniquely positioned in Denton with two universities that serve

00:42:28.580 --> 00:42:36.020
 significant populations of disabled students and residents that then maintain their life

00:42:36.020 --> 00:42:40.860
 and employment here after graduation. And so it might be something to investigate. Thank

00:42:40.860 --> 00:42:42.100
 you for your time.

00:42:42.100 --> 00:42:43.100
 Thank you.

00:42:43.100 --> 00:42:51.500
 I'm going to go to Yancey and then Willie and then Pam. Go ahead, Yancey.

00:42:51.500 --> 00:42:56.940
 Madam Chair, I'll hold my comment until everybody speak. That way I might be able to address

00:42:56.940 --> 00:43:04.460
 everything in once because I got some answers for Janie and Pam regarding the mental health

00:43:04.460 --> 00:43:06.420
 aspect of the training.

00:43:06.420 --> 00:43:20.540
 Okay. Okay. Willie, you got to be off mute, Willie. Hit the button. We can't hear you.

00:43:20.540 --> 00:43:31.260
 Come on, Willie. You had it a minute ago. Can't hear you. Can't hear you. I promise

00:43:31.260 --> 00:43:36.420
 we can't hear you. Let me see if we can do it here.

00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:38.540
 No, I got it. Okay.

00:43:38.540 --> 00:43:39.540
 There we go.

00:43:39.540 --> 00:43:45.020
 Okay. As I sit here and I'm looking at what we are charged to do, what the city council

00:43:45.020 --> 00:43:53.240
 has asked us to do, develop a report of clear findings, conclusions, and achievable recommendations

00:43:53.240 --> 00:44:00.220
 that promote the use of best practices in the use of force policies and trainings for

00:44:00.220 --> 00:44:09.140
 the Denton Police Department. That's what they've asked us to do. So in my mind, I'm

00:44:09.140 --> 00:44:17.700
 starting to figure out what should that report include? What are we supposed to recommend

00:44:17.700 --> 00:44:24.100
 as a group? So I'm trying to put mine together so when we finally get to this decision part,

00:44:24.100 --> 00:44:29.780
 then I can say, this is what I think is the best practice for the police department to

00:44:29.780 --> 00:44:30.780
 use.

00:44:30.780 --> 00:44:36.100
 Now, we've been presented with this information about the training. So I've got a question

00:44:36.100 --> 00:44:43.380
 about that. That's an awful lot of hours. And as it was explained, this is not doing

00:44:43.380 --> 00:44:52.200
 working hours. These officers are asked to go through all of this training. I don't think

00:44:52.200 --> 00:44:58.140
 there's... Well, I was going to say I don't see how they can do it, but that's not my

00:44:58.140 --> 00:45:05.500
 call. I'm working on my recommendation in the training area. So the question I have

00:45:05.500 --> 00:45:16.540
 about the training is, is there a prioritizing way or do you prioritize which training is

00:45:16.540 --> 00:45:22.900
 first? When are the officers able to go out and actually do their jobs, the ones you've

00:45:22.900 --> 00:45:32.260
 hired, and be able to do the job and fulfill all these requirements of the training? Who

00:45:32.260 --> 00:45:37.220
 determines which course they take first? And then make sure I get all this down like I

00:45:37.220 --> 00:45:45.700
 want you to answer it. Is there a priority as to when you take whichever course or when

00:45:45.700 --> 00:45:52.980
 you get the training? Who determines what that is and when you officer get to go out

00:45:52.980 --> 00:46:00.140
 and do the job after you've completed the courses? Or is that a factor? Do you have

00:46:00.140 --> 00:46:05.460
 to complete all the courses before you actually can go out and do the work? And the reason

00:46:05.460 --> 00:46:11.340
 that this is important to me is I'm going to recommend something about that training.

00:46:11.340 --> 00:46:19.780
 Some of those requirements that the chiefs have initiated and what the state mandates

00:46:19.780 --> 00:46:26.580
 that I think are excellent and they should be done quickly and that should get more priority

00:46:26.580 --> 00:46:31.460
 and that's going to be my recommendation. So I need to know the answers to those questions.

00:46:31.460 --> 00:46:42.100
 Thank you. Yes, you want to go now? I can. So what let's you because you're the last

00:46:42.100 --> 00:46:50.020
 one with the statement and then we'll go back to Deputy Chief Pageant. Okay. The first one

00:46:50.020 --> 00:46:57.700
 I guess it was a year towards Pam and Jamie is dealing with the mental health aspect and

00:46:57.700 --> 00:47:05.980
 the other disabilities and everything. So the officers get 40 hours of crisis intervention

00:47:05.980 --> 00:47:12.220
 training in the basic academy. So that's just one aspect of it. So they get a broad spectrum

00:47:12.220 --> 00:47:17.780
 of crisis intervention and how to deal with people in crisis, both mental health and with

00:47:17.780 --> 00:47:25.940
 disability. I think Jamie asked a question on as far as specialized training or in stuff

00:47:25.940 --> 00:47:33.220
 like that. One of the specialized units that we have here at the department would be traffic.

00:47:33.220 --> 00:47:38.140
 So if you have a fatal accident or a serious bodily injury accident, the regular patrol

00:47:38.140 --> 00:47:42.020
 officer is not going to work those crashes. The traffic unit will because they do have

00:47:42.020 --> 00:47:46.980
 the specialized training to go out there and map the scene and try to put the pieces back

00:47:46.980 --> 00:47:55.220
 together in order to figure out how the crash occurred or why the crash occurred. And for

00:47:55.220 --> 00:48:02.380
 you Mr. Hussbiff as far as prioritizing training, basically most officers once they get done

00:48:02.380 --> 00:48:06.540
 with the basic academy, they want to prioritize their training on getting the intermediate

00:48:06.540 --> 00:48:13.540
 license. So they'll go through all those intermediate classes first and then start working on advanced

00:48:13.540 --> 00:48:17.780
 classes and other specialized training that they're trying to because some people might

00:48:17.780 --> 00:48:21.700
 want to be a detective, some people might want to go to traffic and those are different

00:48:21.700 --> 00:48:27.380
 specialized training. But most of the time when an officer get done with the basic academy,

00:48:27.380 --> 00:48:34.580
 him or her and their supervisor sit down with their sit down together to map out when these

00:48:34.580 --> 00:48:39.700
 classes occur because not all these classes occur here in Denton. They occur in the Metro

00:48:39.700 --> 00:48:46.300
 Plex or some are even far off. They'll sit down and look at the schedule and see if they're

00:48:46.300 --> 00:48:52.380
 able to take off work if the class is held on a work day or if they're able to get their

00:48:52.380 --> 00:48:58.460
 time you know elsewhere on attending those classes. So I don't know if that cleared up

00:48:58.460 --> 00:49:05.740
 some of the questions that you guys had. But may one for me is who determines which class

00:49:05.740 --> 00:49:16.740
 they take? Can I answer that? Yes. The priority of classes is it's a close race between state

00:49:16.740 --> 00:49:27.340
 mandates and chief mandates. The state mandates are law and then chief mandates are running

00:49:27.340 --> 00:49:33.180
 right there with them. So that's going to be the priority of training and then anything

00:49:33.180 --> 00:49:42.240
 past that you know it's the officers can train for you know to get their intermediate or

00:49:42.240 --> 00:49:46.940
 advanced certificate. They might want to train because they want to become a detective or

00:49:46.940 --> 00:49:53.300
 they might want to become a traffic investigator. All of that is selective and that is based

00:49:53.300 --> 00:50:03.700
 on the needs of the department, the funds available for training and then you know we want officers

00:50:03.700 --> 00:50:11.420
 to self-actualize and to do what they want to do. If they want to be a traffic investigator

00:50:11.420 --> 00:50:15.860
 then we want them to become one because if you're doing something you want to do you're

00:50:15.860 --> 00:50:22.820
 going to do it better. But we may not have space for a traffic investigator and don't

00:50:22.820 --> 00:50:30.300
 foresee having one for a while. So we may not allow an officer to go to reconstruction

00:50:30.300 --> 00:50:35.140
 school because that does take time out of the regular job. It does cost quite a bit

00:50:35.140 --> 00:50:42.660
 of money. So we have to prioritize those things through department needs past the state mandates

00:50:42.660 --> 00:50:52.540
 and what chief takes the mandates. Did that answer your question Willie? Yes thank you.

00:50:52.540 --> 00:51:14.980
 Camion? Can't hear you. Can you hear me now? Yeah. Okay. I had a couple questions. One

00:51:14.980 --> 00:51:26.060
 of them was does the do the officers at the DPD receive any formalized training around

00:51:26.060 --> 00:51:35.620
 working with LGBTQ folks? Is it is it coached an implicit bias? Like I'm just wondering

00:51:35.620 --> 00:51:46.060
 if there's any specific timing around that? Biases, correlations, those types of courses cover that to some degree.

00:51:46.060 --> 00:51:51.960
 I wouldn't say that there's a separate and above course that would address only that

00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:59.580
 community. Is there I'm just I'm just assuming that maybe you and Yancey a few other officers

00:51:59.580 --> 00:52:05.100
 on this call might have gone through some of these trainings. Do you remember being

00:52:05.100 --> 00:52:13.140
 trained on any instances of like maybe a traffic stop or responding to a call with folks that

00:52:13.140 --> 00:52:24.100
 identify as being transgendered? Yancey's shaking their head yes. Yancey can you answer that?

00:52:24.100 --> 00:52:30.120
 This part of the implicit bias training but also during the academy we do what's called

00:52:30.120 --> 00:52:34.900
 practical so basically you learn the book work and then we go out and do hands-on activities

00:52:34.900 --> 00:52:40.140
 and like a scenario based type training and we do have actors that act like that on so

00:52:40.140 --> 00:52:46.060
 for the recruits before they graduate the academy they do have some experience or exposure

00:52:46.060 --> 00:52:53.140
 I should say to that type of culture or whatever but it is touched on in the implicit bias

00:52:53.140 --> 00:52:59.780
 courses. Okay I appreciate hearing that. I just think it could be something important

00:52:59.780 --> 00:53:07.500
 that should be added just not just around transgender folks the entire spectrum of LGBT

00:53:07.500 --> 00:53:14.180
 folks but in the incident that someone gives you their name and they present differently

00:53:14.180 --> 00:53:19.180
 than their driver's license like that's very common and so I think officers should be trained

00:53:19.180 --> 00:53:25.180
 around the fact that that's like something that happens with that community. The other

00:53:25.180 --> 00:53:30.520
 question I had is that I'm very glad to see that every officer is getting some training

00:53:30.520 --> 00:53:35.540
 around domestic violence. Having been a survivor of relationship violence myself I'm glad to

00:53:35.540 --> 00:53:42.460
 know that. I was wondering if there's training specific to what I would call relationship

00:53:42.460 --> 00:53:51.300
 violence or violence that's not necessarily just with heterosexual couples if that makes

00:53:51.300 --> 00:53:56.380
 sense like how to recognize that if you're called out to an incident where there are

00:53:56.380 --> 00:54:02.700
 same gender couple and recognizing it as domestic domestic violence possibly it could get overlooked

00:54:02.700 --> 00:54:06.940
 so I was just wondering if that is a part of that training or if additional training

00:54:06.940 --> 00:54:13.900
 might be needed for that. I will say and we've gone through a lot of training in the last

00:54:13.900 --> 00:54:20.100
 two years so forgive me if I forget that we may have some training out there but part of

00:54:20.100 --> 00:54:29.020
 that IACP grant that we received we did have some training specific to LGBTQ+ and we had

00:54:29.020 --> 00:54:36.780
 a sheriff's deputy for Cleveland County Ohio or Clark County Ohio I'm sorry she's part

00:54:36.780 --> 00:54:41.900
 of the community and a police officer and and she provided that training it was excellent

00:54:41.900 --> 00:54:49.300
 and there was some other additional training put on by IACP for that and what what training

00:54:49.300 --> 00:54:56.580
 is out there that you know of that we could implement? I don't know that I do know of

00:54:56.580 --> 00:55:00.980
 a training that you could implement but I know that those individuals exist in our community

00:55:00.980 --> 00:55:10.980
 and that there may be things out there that aren't necessarily police specific but you

00:55:10.980 --> 00:55:17.140
 know could you know it could be for anybody interacting with that you know with the community

00:55:17.140 --> 00:55:25.300
 so it doesn't have to be specifically for police officers to be good training for us.

00:55:25.300 --> 00:55:30.700
 Yeah I agree with that and then I think my last question I guess some of us are still

00:55:30.700 --> 00:55:35.740
 kind of wondering around like how often officers are getting these trainings it sounds like

00:55:35.740 --> 00:55:42.900
 there's a lot of training hours that people have to go through but from what I could tell

00:55:42.900 --> 00:55:51.200
 from the diagram that you had up there's a there's a good amount of diversity trainings

00:55:51.200 --> 00:55:55.300
 at the beginning during the academy and then some additional that aren't required by the

00:55:55.300 --> 00:56:05.500
 state are those slots of trainings required to be done more than once ever or do they

00:56:05.500 --> 00:56:12.100
 get implicit bias training every two years once a year every six months every five years

00:56:12.100 --> 00:56:17.780
 you know like are those trainings repeated or is it only repeated if the state mandates

00:56:17.780 --> 00:56:23.140
 an update and do they get the whole training in or just the updated portion. I know that's

00:56:23.140 --> 00:56:29.300
 a lot of questions but I was confused about that. No the the state mandated updates it's

00:56:29.300 --> 00:56:36.620
 whatever you know the state is mandating for that two-year cycle so it may include updates

00:56:36.620 --> 00:56:41.940
 to those previous you know diversity trainings it may be something completely different you

00:56:41.940 --> 00:56:49.180
 know so that's where the training that the chief directs comes in in getting us updated

00:56:49.180 --> 00:57:02.020
 trainings for those specific topics. Bo is next. I'm looking here at this use of force

00:57:02.020 --> 00:57:10.420
 and taser reports that Mr. Cronin gave us from 2015 to 2020 and you know thinking about

00:57:10.420 --> 00:57:16.200
 the interplay between discipline training based on each case and it looks like where

00:57:16.200 --> 00:57:22.660
 there's follow-up training recommended in some of these various cases there's it's

00:57:22.660 --> 00:57:27.740
 there's a number of them there's taser training one of them was emotional survival for law

00:57:27.740 --> 00:57:34.780
 enforcement training another one was de-escalation I think there was a couple of de-escalation

00:57:34.780 --> 00:57:43.080
 training some are still pending and so I'm just wondering number one if if there's a

00:57:43.080 --> 00:57:48.840
 use of force situation that is deemed inappropriate in the complaint and sustain and it leads

00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:56.140
 to training are these just sort of going back to the same trainings they already had on

00:57:56.140 --> 00:58:02.180
 de-escalation or is it you've had that training and it didn't settle in and so specifically

00:58:02.180 --> 00:58:07.400
 we're gonna have another kind of training or a more focused de-escalation training or

00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:14.140
 taser training and then number two just I think for the committee and for we'd love

00:58:14.140 --> 00:58:19.700
 to hear from you just sort of man in terms of use of force situations where are the gaps

00:58:19.700 --> 00:58:28.740
 in training that you perceive that need to be revisited does that make sense what I'm

00:58:28.740 --> 00:58:34.480
 asking yes and the gaps Dr. Williams will talk about a gap analysis that he did and

00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:41.260
 how he came up with our comprehensive training plan but as far as discipline and the training

00:58:41.260 --> 00:58:50.580
 attached to discipline that's case it's case by case because it may be that you know the

00:58:50.580 --> 00:58:58.840
 officer used the tool completely wrong so he needs the training on how to use that tool

00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:05.740
 the taser so to speak or for an example how to use that taser correctly or the training

00:59:05.740 --> 00:59:15.820
 may be the officer escalated the situation and that led to the use of the taser so that

00:59:15.820 --> 00:59:23.300
 officer she needs to go back through de-escalation training so a say a policy violation or use

00:59:23.300 --> 00:59:31.140
 of force that we deem needs training while it may involve the taser it may not involve

00:59:31.140 --> 00:59:37.020
 the same aspect of what went wrong in that case it could be they used the equipment wrong

00:59:37.020 --> 00:59:45.460
 or they escalated the situation or you know something like that so the training connected

00:59:45.460 --> 00:59:56.300
 to the discipline of use of force complaints that's been sustained is case by case individualized

00:59:56.300 --> 01:00:01.700
 for the person based on the incident is that what you're saying yes it's not the general

01:00:01.700 --> 01:00:05.180
 training that you go through in the academy or even in the you know further follow-up

01:00:05.180 --> 01:00:13.820
 trainings no it'll be individualized for that person what what did we deem in that instance

01:00:13.820 --> 01:00:21.580
 what was deficient and we need to fix the deficiency so if the use of the taser you

01:00:21.580 --> 01:00:28.060
 know the equipment the equipment was used correctly as far as physically you know according

01:00:28.060 --> 01:00:33.780
 to the way you're supposed to use the equipment then we're not going to send we I mean we

01:00:33.780 --> 01:00:39.940
 may but we may not send that person back through the taser training how to use the equipment

01:00:39.940 --> 01:00:46.280
 we'll send them through training that teaches them when and why to use the equipment so

01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:50.060
 like on this first one that says citizen led officers on a 20-minute high-speed vehicle

01:00:50.060 --> 01:00:54.240
 pursuit before tire deflation and crash officer deployed taser but at the time citizen was

01:00:54.240 --> 01:00:59.980
 only passively resisting that's not a taser how to work it issue that's a that's a how

01:00:59.980 --> 01:01:06.180
 and why do you deploy issue okay but that still fits under taser as opposed to de-escalation

01:01:06.180 --> 01:01:13.940
 or something else in terms of the training needed I mean it said that they could be both

01:01:13.940 --> 01:01:19.940
 but yeah it would fall under the taser training as into you know how and why are we supposed

01:01:19.940 --> 01:01:27.140
 to use that tool okay you know if the officer didn't you know and by de-escalation training

01:01:27.140 --> 01:01:33.700
 you know maybe that officer went kind of escalated the situation themselves their actions escalated

01:01:33.700 --> 01:01:37.940
 the the need for the taser that's when you would go through the de-escalation training

01:01:37.940 --> 01:01:46.340
 but the you know but yeah in that case it's how and when to use the equipment what's appropriate

01:01:46.340 --> 01:01:50.860
 okay one more question it's really helpful to know that it's it's a specific sort of

01:01:50.860 --> 01:01:56.340
 personalized training the one that was emotional survival for law enforcement and maybe we'll

01:01:56.340 --> 01:02:01.940
 talk about it later but where the officer responded in a way unbecoming of an officer

01:02:01.940 --> 01:02:07.780
 it says here can you give us a sense because I think those are the sort of cases that are

01:02:07.780 --> 01:02:17.620
 concerning in use of force cases where yeah it's unbecoming an officer it's wrong clearly

01:02:17.620 --> 01:02:23.780
 what would that training entail if it was personalized for an officer that acted in

01:02:23.780 --> 01:02:31.380
 a completely inappropriate way such that it was you know a suspension but then emotional

01:02:31.380 --> 01:02:36.300
 survival for law enforcement is that am I supposed to hear that as what you were saying

01:02:36.300 --> 01:02:40.340
 earlier about man there's just high stress levels going on in the officer and they need

01:02:40.340 --> 01:02:46.300
 to get themselves right that's exactly what that's about okay because I think that's the

01:02:46.300 --> 01:02:52.700
 I think somebody brought it up earlier maybe it was Mr. Baines about and if that stuff

01:02:52.700 --> 01:02:56.420
 sort of builds you know how do we know the training's effective for something like that

01:02:56.420 --> 01:03:02.940
 so that it doesn't just happen again I think that's I know it's somewhat subjective but

01:03:02.940 --> 01:03:06.520
 I'm just trying to draw out what is happening in these trainings that are personalized based

01:03:06.520 --> 01:03:15.380
 on objective incidents you know right now that's in that instance you know it was something

01:03:15.380 --> 01:03:21.020
 that we saw with the officer that they they need to they need to they need training on

01:03:21.020 --> 01:03:36.740
 how to relieve stress from themselves okay Willie can you turn your phone on mute yes

01:03:36.740 --> 01:03:46.540
 I will thank you hang on Gary did you have your hand up okay Donna and then John

01:03:46.540 --> 01:03:55.060
 I just wanted to know do you have a scale to measure the effectiveness of these trainings

01:03:55.060 --> 01:04:01.100
 because again as cameo on address there are several trainings so is there any way for

01:04:01.100 --> 01:04:09.580
 us to see how effective these trainings really are I'm sure there's studies out there that

01:04:09.580 --> 01:04:20.340
 you know we'll show different results on trainings internally you know we'll base it on does this

01:04:20.340 --> 01:04:25.900
 person have the same problem again does this officer have you know recurring problems that's

01:04:25.900 --> 01:04:31.020
 the basis of the effectiveness does that person respond to the you know we do the training

01:04:31.020 --> 01:04:35.940
 and we ask the instructors how did that person respond to the training well they didn't respond

01:04:35.940 --> 01:04:40.300
 very well they kind of blew it off might be the response and then and then our response

01:04:40.300 --> 01:04:46.040
 has to be something different or you know he really that officer came around and responded

01:04:46.040 --> 01:05:01.460
 well and I think they're good to go now thank you okay John Chief Padgett I want to thank

01:05:01.460 --> 01:05:07.240
 you again for taking the time to to patiently answer all of our questions I have a couple

01:05:07.240 --> 01:05:15.260
 of examples I'm going to lay out and then I'll ask my question I have some friends and

01:05:15.260 --> 01:05:23.460
 clients who are who are firemen and they tell me about suffering from PTSD because they've

01:05:23.460 --> 01:05:31.140
 seen things like accidents where people are picked up in pieces or they have to use the

01:05:31.140 --> 01:05:42.980
 jaws of life to get people out of vehicles and accidents so that's and then you've got

01:05:42.980 --> 01:05:49.940
 police officers were friends who had to deal with a very difficult criminal element drug

01:05:49.940 --> 01:05:58.420
 dealers murder investigations and things like that and you know most of us citizens can't

01:05:58.420 --> 01:06:05.940
 imagine the trauma that these officers are having to deal with and so I would think after

01:06:05.940 --> 01:06:14.380
 a while if you're dealing with some very severe elements you become cynical and a little bit

01:06:14.380 --> 01:06:21.540
 insensitive so when you have officers that are in these kind of situations that have

01:06:21.540 --> 01:06:25.940
 been in these situations what do you what kind of training do you offer to make sure

01:06:25.940 --> 01:06:31.580
 that they they remain whole wholesome and not nonsensical I don't know if that's too

01:06:31.580 --> 01:06:36.740
 complex a question to ask but I think you get the drift of what I'm asking you know

01:06:36.740 --> 01:06:44.620
 the biggest thing that we offer offer is our peer support you know and the the counseling

01:06:44.620 --> 01:06:51.660
 and being able to talk through those things that are creating stress you know those things

01:06:51.660 --> 01:06:56.900
 get bottled up you go to call after call after call and you know the people that you give

01:06:56.900 --> 01:07:05.100
 CPR to don't survive and and the baby is is is hurt and you see those things over and

01:07:05.100 --> 01:07:10.060
 over again in the ANSI you know going to the crashes and fatality crashes over and over

01:07:10.060 --> 01:07:17.340
 again that builds up and if you don't have a pressure release valve somewhere then it

01:07:17.340 --> 01:07:22.300
 may spill over you know unfortunately for a lot of officers it spills over at home and

01:07:22.300 --> 01:07:30.580
 ends up in divorce and that sort of thing but our biggest not really training but our

01:07:30.580 --> 01:07:36.500
 biggest outlet for that is peer support where we can get to those officers and you know

01:07:36.500 --> 01:07:42.740
 if we have a fatality crash we're going to offer peer support to those crash investigators

01:07:42.740 --> 01:07:46.860
 so that they can talk through it because if you can talk through things then they don't

01:07:46.860 --> 01:07:55.020
 build up as much and and for example you know when you're dealing with the criminal element

01:07:55.020 --> 01:08:00.220
 of the more unsavory the element I think you become rather cynical at least this is my

01:08:00.220 --> 01:08:04.840
 assumption I don't live in that world but I can only imagine you can become a little

01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:12.940
 callous and a little insensitive so how do you address that you can and I think you know

01:08:12.940 --> 01:08:16.960
 I addressed I addressed that when I teach the academy I addressed that by reminding

01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:24.620
 officers you are citizens so and your spouses are citizens your kids are citizens your mom

01:08:24.620 --> 01:08:31.540
 how would you feel if your spouse got pulled over and was treated in this certain way how

01:08:31.540 --> 01:08:37.660
 would you feel if your mom was pulled over and treated in this certain way you know and

01:08:37.660 --> 01:08:43.540
 remind them that that when you put the badge on you're not somebody different you're still

01:08:43.540 --> 01:08:52.440
 part of the community you're still a citizen so treat people the way you want to be treated

01:08:52.440 --> 01:08:59.300
 you know we have to remember yeah we deal with you know the worst of the worst but can

01:08:59.300 --> 01:09:07.060
 can we treat the worst of the worst still like a person yes we can and yes we should

01:09:07.060 --> 01:09:12.780
 you know and that's what we have to that's what we have to do is it doesn't matter what

01:09:12.780 --> 01:09:18.100
 crime has been committed we still need to treat that person with dignity and respect

01:09:18.100 --> 01:09:23.380
 and that starts in training and it should go up through you know every supervisor should

01:09:23.380 --> 01:09:27.660
 be watching their people for that every field training officer you know the field training

01:09:27.660 --> 01:09:32.100
 officer is the first supervisor we have in the police department and they should be watching

01:09:32.100 --> 01:09:36.740
 their trainings and watching each other and making sure that we treat everybody with dignity

01:09:36.740 --> 01:09:51.740
 and respect thank you very much cameo yeah i have a follow-up question to mr bain's question

01:09:51.740 --> 01:10:01.380
 i'm a social worker so from i don't want to say day one but pretty early on in our educational

01:10:01.380 --> 01:10:06.420
 careers they're talking to us about self-care because the nature of our work is dealing

01:10:06.420 --> 01:10:11.260
 with other people's trauma often helping them through part usually the worst times of their

01:10:11.260 --> 01:10:16.340
 lives when they actually need support and it sounds like those are similar things with

01:10:16.340 --> 01:10:22.860
 the profession that you have so i'm just wondering if it sounds a little hippie dippy but if

01:10:22.860 --> 01:10:29.660
 officers are taught anything about like ways and mechanisms in which to take care of themselves

01:10:29.660 --> 01:10:34.860
 to help deal with the trauma that they're engaging in every day and that's question

01:10:34.860 --> 01:10:41.280
 number one question number two is around the peer support group and counseling i hear that

01:10:41.280 --> 01:10:48.900
 that's offered i'm very glad that that's offered to officers i'm wondering if it's optional

01:10:48.900 --> 01:10:56.400
 or if it's mandatory sometimes for folks to receive that after a certain level of incident

01:10:56.400 --> 01:11:02.820
 just wondering how those folks are being supported through those kinds of traumas i'll i'll let

01:11:02.820 --> 01:11:12.900
 chief dixon answer that question so i know that you all have heard of peer support team

01:11:12.900 --> 01:11:16.420
 a couple of different times and and maybe this will give you a better point of reference

01:11:16.420 --> 01:11:21.460
 for it we just restarted that team about a year ago just a little bit over a year ago

01:11:21.460 --> 01:11:27.580
 probably 13 months now and what they do is if we have we had a fatality crash on the

01:11:27.580 --> 01:11:33.020
 interstate where someone was trapped in their car and our officers had to watch them burn

01:11:33.020 --> 01:11:40.420
 to death so we make it mandatory after calls like that for them to go to a critical incident

01:11:40.420 --> 01:11:47.380
 debrief because that one called there's something about that call it may not have been the actual

01:11:47.380 --> 01:11:51.860
 act of what they saw it may may have been a site it may have been a scent it may have

01:11:51.860 --> 01:11:56.860
 been something that could be the tipping point for them because they have just left a call

01:11:56.860 --> 01:12:05.940
 where a six-year-old had been subjected to violence or sexual assault or domestic and

01:12:05.940 --> 01:12:11.820
 now they're going to that horrific crash so yes we make those mandatory debriefings we

01:12:11.820 --> 01:12:16.700
 call in and in fact in that case and at least one other that i can think of we called in

01:12:16.700 --> 01:12:22.220
 extra support from sam houston state university for them to bring uh peer support counselors

01:12:22.220 --> 01:12:28.060
 up and we had upwards of 40 people going through these critical incident debriefs in their

01:12:28.060 --> 01:12:34.540
 mandatory and then we opened up for them to have optional follow-up counseling or sessions

01:12:34.540 --> 01:12:40.300
 that they needed after that because what i don't want is for us to lose someone because

01:12:40.300 --> 01:12:45.100
 we didn't take care of them so we're taking it very seriously and when you hear peer support

01:12:45.100 --> 01:12:50.340
 it's kind of a a canned term that's thrown around but i can tell you since we started

01:12:50.340 --> 01:12:54.980
 in the 13 months that we've had it here they've been called to other jurisdictions in north

01:12:54.980 --> 01:13:01.340
 texas up into the panhandle to help other agencies that really haven't come to the point

01:13:01.340 --> 01:13:07.380
 of embracing exactly what you're talking about camion how do we get past that stigma of if

01:13:07.380 --> 01:13:12.900
 you speak out that something's affecting you that you're weak and i think by and large

01:13:12.900 --> 01:13:17.900
 our profession has come a long way we still have a ways to go in in fighting that stigma

01:13:17.900 --> 01:13:23.500
 but i think we're a lot better off now than we were before is there peer support for folks

01:13:23.500 --> 01:13:29.220
 that haven't gone through a critical incident so like for instance i'm hearing okay good

01:13:29.220 --> 01:13:36.260
 i'm just i'm hearing like domestic violence child abuse uh who knows what all in the same

01:13:36.260 --> 01:13:41.820
 day and then you have tomorrow so i'm just wondering if there's like optional support

01:13:41.820 --> 01:13:47.460
 that they can tap into even if that level is a lot absolutely we have several volunteers

01:13:47.460 --> 01:13:51.780
 stood out the department i have a sergeant and a detective that headed up and they get

01:13:51.780 --> 01:13:58.740
 contacted on things that are even outside of work they're just an open avenue for employees

01:13:58.740 --> 01:14:05.020
 to go to sworn or civilian to help them if they can direct them to other resources if

01:14:05.020 --> 01:14:09.300
 they can talk them through it themselves if they can connect them to other you know other

01:14:09.300 --> 01:14:13.940
 things then that's exactly what i want them doing and i intentionally stay out of that

01:14:13.940 --> 01:14:19.260
 information loop because that is a huge detractor when you have people that are reaching out

01:14:19.260 --> 01:14:24.140
 for help if they think the chief is going to find out that uh you know yancey's having

01:14:24.140 --> 01:14:28.740
 a problem over a call that he took if yancey's afraid that i'm going to step in and take

01:14:28.740 --> 01:14:34.260
 him off the street he's not going to talk so i they have very clear direction for me

01:14:34.260 --> 01:14:37.620
 i don't want to know who you're talking to unless there's a public safety reason that

01:14:37.620 --> 01:14:43.100
 i need to know if we have to intervene to protect yancey from himself or protect other

01:14:43.100 --> 01:15:01.420
 people from him then i'll step in he for alumnus in wine my name is situations so if i am on

01:15:01.420 --> 01:15:09.940
 that list that mr he was referring to earlier where we were disciplining me for some action

01:15:09.940 --> 01:15:18.100
 or inappropriate activity are are these peer support resources mandated at that time as

01:15:18.100 --> 01:15:25.740
 well potentially you're making me go to a training about why i used my t-shirt and i'm

01:15:25.740 --> 01:15:37.460
 required can you guys hear me i'm sorry my internet went a little crazy yeah also also

01:15:37.460 --> 01:15:45.420
 requiring me to seek out this peer support group is it you is it a two to a dual situation

01:15:45.420 --> 01:15:50.260
 that's happening so actually on top of the training i don't even send people to peer

01:15:50.260 --> 01:15:53.900
 support if i think you're having problems like that i'm going to mandate that you go

01:15:53.900 --> 01:16:03.700
 see a physician before we bring you back to work and then in terms of additional resources

01:16:03.700 --> 01:16:12.420
 for your support group or for these other types of really important self-care and counseling

01:16:12.420 --> 01:16:19.620
 resources is that something that you would wish or desire for additional support about

01:16:19.620 --> 01:16:24.460
 and can you tell me a little bit about that if so well they're constantly networking just

01:16:24.460 --> 01:16:28.520
 in the 13 months they've been in existence they've grown a great network in north texas

01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:33.660
 and beyond of resources where they can direct people to in fact we were just talking to

01:16:33.660 --> 01:16:38.900
 two weeks ago about two other resources they're bringing online so there's nothing that we

01:16:38.900 --> 01:16:43.940
 need to help them do that it's just really getting out of their way and giving them the

01:16:43.940 --> 01:16:55.580
 ability to go out and do it they do a wonderful job at it thank you chief dixon and i guess

01:16:55.580 --> 01:17:00.660
 we'll go to the next presentation you have yes dr richard williams who's our accreditation

01:17:00.660 --> 01:17:06.580
 and compliance specialist he would like to take a five-minute break before he comes up

01:17:06.580 --> 01:17:10.820
 before he speaks i want to touch on one very important point that we hadn't talked about

01:17:10.820 --> 01:17:19.900
 yet if if we put all of our officers 195 officers through one 40-hour course so that's the mental

01:17:19.900 --> 01:17:24.700
 health peace officer course that takes 40 hours if i make it mandatory for the entire

01:17:24.700 --> 01:17:31.100
 department to go through that that's the equivalent of three and a half years of a police officer

01:17:31.100 --> 01:17:37.260
 being off the street and that's one 40-hour course that's just to put it in perspective

01:17:37.260 --> 01:17:43.780
 how much goes into getting officers training and prioritizing it because it's not as simple

01:17:43.780 --> 01:17:48.940
 as saying i want you all to go take this 40-hour course we are taking a significant amount

01:17:48.940 --> 01:17:54.540
 of resources off the street which we then have to replace and backfill but we also have

01:17:54.540 --> 01:17:59.660
 to plan out how long is it going to take us to be able to do that so i just want to set

01:17:59.660 --> 01:18:03.540
 kind of set the stage for when you're talking about this comprehensive training plan why

01:18:03.540 --> 01:18:17.660
 it's so important that for me that we start moving in that direction okay thank you chief

01:18:17.660 --> 01:18:22.500
 and we're we're going to take a five-minute break hopefully we'll find willy and see if

01:18:22.500 --> 01:18:34.860
 he can turn on willie you are signed on the two devices and we need you on the screen

01:18:34.860 --> 01:18:39.540
 so madam chair we're gonna we're gonna sign off for just a few minutes and you can stay

01:18:39.540 --> 01:18:45.660
 on okay all right thanks all right what did you uh need me to do uh we need to see your

01:18:45.660 --> 01:19:07.980
 face sir that's not a pleasant thought well it is what it is okay

01:19:07.980 --> 01:19:14.180
 okay we are back from our five-minute break from uh we are back on the use of force ad-hoc

01:19:14.180 --> 01:19:21.260
 committee meeting and we are going to go into the presentation from dr williams and i will

01:19:21.260 --> 01:19:27.100
 turn it over to you well good evening everybody and i and i'm happy to be here with you again

01:19:27.100 --> 01:19:31.140
 uh i really appreciate what you guys are doing this is a very important conversation that

01:19:31.140 --> 01:19:36.740
 we're having uh just a just a little order of what i'm gonna what i intend to accomplish

01:19:36.740 --> 01:19:40.300
 is i'm going to talk about the training plan and the training needs assessment how we put

01:19:40.300 --> 01:19:44.500
 together the training plan then i'll talk about accreditation and accreditation process

01:19:44.500 --> 01:19:47.980
 and during those two presentations i'll try to fill in some gaps i wrote some notes for

01:19:47.980 --> 01:19:51.700
 some of the questions that you asked previously and i'll try to fill in some gaps if that

01:19:51.700 --> 01:19:56.060
 if that's okay if you have a question you'll feel free to stop me and ask your question

01:19:56.060 --> 01:19:59.820
 and and i will answer all right any questions before i get started

01:19:59.820 --> 01:20:08.820
 all right very good so the the training plan so to so one of the one of the first charges

01:20:08.820 --> 01:20:11.700
 that the chief gave me when i got here was to work with the training division to put

01:20:11.700 --> 01:20:17.060
 together a comprehensive training plan and so we put together the first comprehensive

01:20:17.060 --> 01:20:21.660
 training plan for the den police department and so before we put together that training

01:20:21.660 --> 01:20:28.700
 plan we did a gap analysis and a training needs assessment and we employed a mixed methodology

01:20:28.700 --> 01:20:36.060
 to do that collecting both quantitative data and qualitative data uh and so how we went

01:20:36.060 --> 01:20:40.900
 about doing that is we conducted at least 15 focus groups with every work group within

01:20:40.900 --> 01:20:45.260
 the police department and then we conducted at least one focus group with community members

01:20:45.260 --> 01:20:49.980
 and we got community members to come in and give their their input regarding what they

01:20:49.980 --> 01:20:53.980
 thought didn't pd's training needs are and then we looked at what were the statutory

01:20:53.980 --> 01:21:00.140
 requirements for training what training was required by by t code or crediting body for

01:21:00.140 --> 01:21:05.220
 uh police officer licensing what training was required by uh the den police department

01:21:05.220 --> 01:21:10.140
 the chief through our policies as many of our training is is required through our policies

01:21:10.140 --> 01:21:15.940
 what training is required through tpca out the the accredited the accreditation uh body

01:21:15.940 --> 01:21:21.860
 that we're participating in and then we looked at we asked officers about what training they

01:21:21.860 --> 01:21:26.340
 desire not only the training we look at not only training they need and they're required

01:21:26.340 --> 01:21:30.260
 to have but what training would they like to have to help improve their skill set as

01:21:30.260 --> 01:21:37.540
 police officers so we put that so that was the the qualitative uh data collection and

01:21:37.540 --> 01:21:44.740
 then we sent out every person within the police department both non and sworn a survey a survey

01:21:44.740 --> 01:21:49.100
 of what what they thought about our training current training whether or not they thought

01:21:49.100 --> 01:21:54.020
 that their training needs were being met what training did they think would help improve

01:21:54.020 --> 01:21:59.940
 their job performance uh and and to make suggestions regarding additional training that they would

01:21:59.940 --> 01:22:04.500
 like to have and so we color we pulled all of that data and we put it into a comprehensive

01:22:04.500 --> 01:22:09.820
 training plan that covered every area of the of the department and let me back up not only

01:22:09.820 --> 01:22:15.380
 did we do a focus group with the community but we did also a focus group with the criminal

01:22:15.380 --> 01:22:22.300
 justice system as well the da's office participated the judge participated uh and so we had several

01:22:22.300 --> 01:22:28.700
 people the city attorney participated so we had various people that participated in uh

01:22:28.700 --> 01:22:34.820
 this focus group so that we could get so we can collect some good rich diverse data about

01:22:34.820 --> 01:22:39.220
 where we thought our training was and where we thought we needed to go with our training

01:22:39.220 --> 01:22:44.340
 and so that yielded our annual training plan which is a very robust training plan that

01:22:44.340 --> 01:22:52.020
 that affects recruit training it affects supervisor training it affects officer training it requires

01:22:52.020 --> 01:23:01.300
 in-service training it affects non-sworn training sworn training uh and so to to to wrap it

01:23:01.300 --> 01:23:08.720
 in in in a nice little ball the chief has said on numerous times that training is becoming

01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:17.140
 a way of life for the den police department and that's evident in the our first ever training

01:23:17.140 --> 01:23:23.780
 plan any questions about the training plan

01:23:23.780 --> 01:23:35.940
 all right so we're going to have a question please sure sure mr bang's uh dr williams

01:23:35.940 --> 01:23:44.420
 uh uh having not not to be disparaging or to speak ill of anyone of the past i simply

01:23:44.420 --> 01:23:53.460
 want to know uh why there was never a training plan here before and and why do we see i can

01:23:53.460 --> 01:23:57.540
 envision the need for it but talk talk to us about the genesis of this how do we come

01:23:57.540 --> 01:24:02.980
 to this conclusion that a training plan is necessary and how is that different from what

01:24:02.980 --> 01:24:09.580
 we've done previously so i can't really speak to the past but i can't speak to the present

01:24:09.580 --> 01:24:15.580
 one of the things chief dixon requested is that we that we look at putting together

01:24:15.580 --> 01:24:20.260
 training and we identify what our training needs were and that's why we did the gap analysis

01:24:20.260 --> 01:24:24.980
 and the training needs assessment and that's why we met with every work group within the

01:24:24.980 --> 01:24:29.460
 department and the outside entities and the community members so that they could help

01:24:29.460 --> 01:24:35.020
 us identify where our training gaps were and where our where they thought our training

01:24:35.020 --> 01:24:41.220
 needs were and so that's that formed the genesis of the training uh remember i guess a couple

01:24:41.220 --> 01:24:47.020
 weeks ago chief dixon mentioned the perf report and the perf report made several recommendations

01:24:47.020 --> 01:24:54.700
 regarding needs of the department and a lot of that required training uh then we had again

01:24:54.700 --> 01:24:59.540
 we had the the t code requirements where the state requirements state laws change every

01:24:59.540 --> 01:25:03.780
 year so we had to identify what's current what are the current state requirements what

01:25:03.780 --> 01:25:07.500
 are the current statutory requirements for training and so all of those things helped

01:25:07.500 --> 01:25:13.220
 inform this training plan now why there did a training plan did not exist prior to that

01:25:13.220 --> 01:25:19.900
 that's not a question that that i can answer uh but i do know the the genesis of the training

01:25:19.900 --> 01:25:26.940
 plan that we put together well and kind of as a follow-up um how does denton differ from

01:25:26.940 --> 01:25:32.020
 other departments is this something new that that is kind of a that departments are now

01:25:32.020 --> 01:25:36.460
 doing that they haven't done previously or is this just we're just kind of catching up

01:25:36.460 --> 01:25:40.820
 to where some of the other departments are presently so i think it's a little bit of

01:25:40.820 --> 01:25:47.900
 both so just during our first meeting i gave a little bit of my background during my back

01:25:47.900 --> 01:25:56.100
 you know in my career i spent 25 years as a police officer and i experienced uh voluntary

01:25:56.100 --> 01:26:01.960
 accreditation processes and i experienced uh compelled accreditation process i call it

01:26:01.960 --> 01:26:05.900
 through a federal consent decree and one of the things that they require was that we put

01:26:05.900 --> 01:26:11.060
 together a comprehensive training plan now prior to that i will admit that we had never

01:26:11.060 --> 01:26:16.260
 put together a comprehensive training plan uh for my previous agency in new orleans

01:26:16.260 --> 01:26:20.300
 prior to being required to do it or compelled to do it by the federal consent decree so

01:26:20.300 --> 01:26:26.700
 to answer your question a little bit uh i'm not sure if it was a practice in other agencies

01:26:26.700 --> 01:26:31.500
 but i know in my experience it was not a practice in my agency and when i got to denton it had

01:26:31.500 --> 01:26:37.260
 not been a practice in denton but i can't i can't i can't speak to uh the law enforcement

01:26:37.260 --> 01:26:51.340
 profession in general thank you any other questions

01:26:51.340 --> 01:26:52.780
 about the training plan

01:26:52.780 --> 01:26:59.500
 all right so i'll move into accreditation and accredited and that's a good segue into

01:26:59.500 --> 01:27:06.580
 accreditation so mr baines i can't speak to uh whether or not other agencies had training

01:27:06.580 --> 01:27:13.300
 plans but as it relates to accreditation uh we actually what is accreditation accreditation

01:27:13.300 --> 01:27:17.900
 when you get a third a third party that comes in and vouches and verifies and vouches that

01:27:17.900 --> 01:27:24.420
 your agency is uh is compliant with certain best certain industry best practices in in

01:27:24.420 --> 01:27:31.500
 our industry that's law enforcement and agencies across the country in the 80s and 90s uh decided

01:27:31.500 --> 01:27:35.940
 that they wanted to improve the standards for law enforcement in the 80s and 90s that

01:27:35.940 --> 01:27:40.900
 you know some of the things that were going on in the 80s and 90s that prompted that prompted

01:27:40.900 --> 01:27:46.700
 those agencies to want to uh employ standards for their agencies so you had agencies that

01:27:46.700 --> 01:27:51.140
 were seeking accreditation through what is called the uh commission on accreditation

01:27:51.140 --> 01:27:56.140
 for law enforcement and that was put together by the the international association of chiefs

01:27:56.140 --> 01:27:59.980
 of police the national associate the national sheriff's association and also the national

01:27:59.980 --> 01:28:05.740
 black organization of law enforcement executives but here in texas texas did something a little

01:28:05.740 --> 01:28:11.820
 different texas decided that they wanted to prescribe training specific to texas they

01:28:11.820 --> 01:28:16.660
 wanted to identify the the needs the training needs for texas so the police chiefs here

01:28:16.660 --> 01:28:23.780
 in texas got together at as a as a part of the texas police chiefs association and they

01:28:23.780 --> 01:28:30.140
 identified 12 critical areas for law enforcement that's in that information that you received

01:28:30.140 --> 01:28:36.060
 they identified those 12 critical areas for law enforcement that impact police liability

01:28:36.060 --> 01:28:39.900
 but that could result in police liability and one of those and as it relates to use

01:28:39.900 --> 01:28:47.980
 of force one of those major areas is use of force

01:28:47.980 --> 01:28:53.380
 so those critical areas include the use of force emergency vehicle operations and pursuits

01:28:53.380 --> 01:28:59.220
 search seizure and arrest those fourth amendment rights care custody and restraint of prisoners

01:28:59.220 --> 01:29:04.980
 domestic violence and agency employee misconduct off-duty conduct not just what they did at

01:29:04.980 --> 01:29:09.700
 work but what they're doing away from work that reflects on the police department selection

01:29:09.700 --> 01:29:15.300
 and hiring those personnel issues selection and hiring and sexual harassment complaint

01:29:15.300 --> 01:29:18.740
 and internal affairs management which you heard a lot about the past few weeks from

01:29:18.740 --> 01:29:25.340
 chief smith narcotics swat and high-risk warrant warrant management engaging in mentally ill

01:29:25.340 --> 01:29:30.820
 and the developmentally disabled which you talked about earlier today property and evidence

01:29:30.820 --> 01:29:37.300
 management so they decided hey these are areas that expose police to great liability we think

01:29:37.300 --> 01:29:45.820
 that we need to set some standards specific to texas police departments here in texas

01:29:45.820 --> 01:29:52.340
 so they came up with those areas and under those areas they identified 168 best practices

01:29:52.340 --> 01:29:58.020
 that they felt that police departments should comply with in order to become accredited

01:29:58.020 --> 01:30:04.860
 in texas we have to comply with those things to verify and validate our activities and

01:30:04.860 --> 01:30:10.860
 one of the things that that that does is that makes sure they ensure that the police department

01:30:10.860 --> 01:30:14.100
 is looking at these things that the police are looking at these things that they consider

01:30:14.100 --> 01:30:23.100
 these things as we develop policies as we develop practices as we develop our training

01:30:23.100 --> 01:30:29.740
 and so these things help inform and when we do that it help inform the decisions that

01:30:29.740 --> 01:30:34.180
 the police chiefs make regarding their management decisions and how to and how and why does

01:30:34.180 --> 01:30:39.800
 it do that well as a part of accreditation we're required to look at things critically

01:30:39.800 --> 01:30:45.500
 and provide annual reports and in these annual reports it's just not a collection of information

01:30:45.500 --> 01:30:49.560
 it's just not collecting data but it's what are we doing with that data what type of analysis

01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:59.340
 are we doing with that data and how is that data impacting our police operations so one

01:30:59.340 --> 01:31:04.420
 of the things someone asked earlier i think i'm not i don't remember who asked the question

01:31:04.420 --> 01:31:11.240
 but somebody asked hey when we do the training how do we know that the training is becoming

01:31:11.240 --> 01:31:17.100
 is is effective right i think someone asked that question right how is it effective and

01:31:17.100 --> 01:31:22.180
 how are we measuring the success of that training well based upon what we're required to do

01:31:22.180 --> 01:31:27.500
 now now keep in mind this is our first annual training plan this is our first comprehensive

01:31:27.500 --> 01:31:34.300
 annual training plan so we're we're just implementing this plan and so these are what we're looking

01:31:34.300 --> 01:31:39.780
 to this is how we're looking to measure whether or not the training plan is being effective

01:31:39.780 --> 01:31:45.060
 so we're looking at patterns in those annual reports that are and they kind of intertwine

01:31:45.060 --> 01:31:51.180
 the accreditation process and training so as a part of the accreditation process we're

01:31:51.180 --> 01:31:56.300
 looking at those patterns the patterns that you mentioned the use of force the annual

01:31:56.300 --> 01:32:04.960
 use of force report annual discipline report annual internal affairs investigations report

01:32:04.960 --> 01:32:09.780
 annual vehicle pursuit report and when we look at these reports we're looking at patterns

01:32:09.780 --> 01:32:15.220
 you know what what are we learning from these patterns the types of the the types of patterns

01:32:15.220 --> 01:32:19.700
 the frequency the officers that are involved in those type of incidents so we're looking

01:32:19.700 --> 01:32:24.220
 at all of those things to help inform training and so when we look at the numbers at the

01:32:24.220 --> 01:32:30.180
 end of the year so that analysis helps inform the training and it will continue to help

01:32:30.180 --> 01:32:36.620
 inform the training and then based upon that we can measure whether or not we've been successful

01:32:36.620 --> 01:32:41.220
 how are we going to measure success all those numbers decreasing so with the complaints

01:32:41.220 --> 01:32:47.380
 what type of what type of intervention are we and training are we employing to affect

01:32:47.380 --> 01:32:51.780
 internal affairs complaints or what type of intervention are we employing to affect vehicle

01:32:51.780 --> 01:32:57.780
 pursuits or what type of intervention are we employing to affect response to resistance

01:32:57.780 --> 01:33:02.020
 or use of force type complaints and so we'll be able to measure whether or not that training

01:33:02.020 --> 01:33:09.880
 is being effective by looking at those numbers and seeing where we're improving all those

01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:27.220
 numbers decreasing somebody had a question i'm sorry

01:33:27.220 --> 01:33:34.740
 so as a part of accreditation i mentioned that the accreditation requires us requires

01:33:34.740 --> 01:33:40.220
 the department look at things that will help the chiefs make informed management decisions

01:33:40.220 --> 01:33:50.060
 related to personnel related to process related to equipment somebody asked a question about

01:33:50.060 --> 01:33:55.900
 refresher training and when we identify training deficiency i think someone asked that question

01:33:55.900 --> 01:34:02.620
 and i'd like to fill in that gap a little bit so whenever so we started a new program

01:34:02.620 --> 01:34:09.700
 last year and that program is called we call it epip for short but that stands for employee

01:34:09.700 --> 01:34:15.660
 employee performance improvement planning and we put together that program and there are

01:34:15.660 --> 01:34:23.220
 certain activities that will prescribe a person to an epip or to an employee performance improvement

01:34:23.220 --> 01:34:28.180
 plan and we know that that performance improvement plans are not unique to denton i mean agencies

01:34:28.180 --> 01:34:34.900
 across the country use performance improvement plans uh so we initiated this employee performance

01:34:34.900 --> 01:34:40.980
 improvement plan so that to give supervisors a tool a tool to use when they identify deficiencies

01:34:40.980 --> 01:34:45.460
 uh that officer may be having performance deficiencies and that officer is required

01:34:45.460 --> 01:34:51.300
 to participate in that in that in that program the supervisor puts together that that plan

01:34:51.300 --> 01:34:56.460
 with that particular officer and it may require training it may require some type of course

01:34:56.460 --> 01:35:01.860
 it may require some other type of activity to show that their performance that they've

01:35:01.860 --> 01:35:08.340
 successfully completed that that performance improvement plan and that the deficiency has

01:35:08.340 --> 01:35:23.140
 been improved or the deficiency is no longer a deficiency if i might say i think someone

01:35:23.140 --> 01:35:39.300
 asked about other specialty type training so there is some specialty type training right

01:35:39.300 --> 01:35:48.340
 we have the active shooter training we have the response to disasters training we have

01:35:48.340 --> 01:35:53.540
 the required nims training which chief padgett talked about the national incident management

01:35:53.540 --> 01:36:01.140
 training that's a national training required by the federal government of all police departments

01:36:01.140 --> 01:36:11.140
 that all of our police department members participate in including the chief

01:36:11.140 --> 01:36:17.260
 we have scenario based training that's that's coming up we have the similar the simulator

01:36:17.260 --> 01:36:26.540
 training that some of you all participated in which we got good feedback from

01:36:26.540 --> 01:36:32.220
 and we have some new training that we're bringing uh just recently we participated in a conference

01:36:32.220 --> 01:36:39.980
 on active bystandership uh i don't know if anybody's familiar with bystandership or with

01:36:39.980 --> 01:36:46.740
 uh active bystandership but that's a new program that's uh that that's being started nationwide

01:36:46.740 --> 01:36:53.380
 and what that involves is and and before i say what it's involved is similar to and

01:36:53.380 --> 01:37:01.300
 chief padgett mentioned it uh it's similar to that show uh what would you do right it's

01:37:01.300 --> 01:37:08.500
 it's it's an attempt to put another another tool on an officer's tool belt to use uh we

01:37:08.500 --> 01:37:12.260
 teach officers how to shoot we teach officers how to run we teach them the law we teach

01:37:12.260 --> 01:37:18.660
 them how to conduct investigations but this active bystandership involves teaching officers

01:37:18.660 --> 01:37:24.820
 making them aware of how to respond when they see some type of misconduct where they see

01:37:24.820 --> 01:37:30.340
 some type of assessor force or whether or not they see some uh see their their peers

01:37:30.340 --> 01:37:35.940
 losing their temper and getting ready to do something that they should intervene in to

01:37:35.940 --> 01:37:44.180
 stop or to help and so this active bystandership training uh is something that is getting started

01:37:44.180 --> 01:37:50.580
 across the nation they're getting ready to do uh train the trainers across the nation

01:37:50.580 --> 01:37:56.820
 and we've requested three spots so that we can train we can get some of our officers

01:37:56.820 --> 01:38:06.660
 trained to deliver that training to the rest of our department somebody mentioned the explicit

01:38:06.660 --> 01:38:14.740
 and implicit bias training that's training that the chief initiated initiated the process

01:38:14.740 --> 01:38:19.140
 of bringing that training to denton last year in fact last summer it just took a while to get

01:38:20.100 --> 01:38:27.860
 and that training is a three-step process where there's command command community training

01:38:27.860 --> 01:38:34.020
 where the command staff and community members train together regarding implicit and explicit

01:38:34.020 --> 01:38:42.260
 bias and then there's the train the trainer just recently in june we had 26 officers that were

01:38:42.260 --> 01:38:48.340
 trained in fair and impartial policing explicit and implicit bias who are preparing to deliver

01:38:48.340 --> 01:38:54.100
 that training throughout the department and so someone asked i think someone asked hey is this

01:38:54.100 --> 01:38:58.660
 training is going to is that going to be something that's going to be routine yes it will be i don't

01:38:58.660 --> 01:39:02.180
 think that we've determined what the frequency is going to be yet but it's not going to be a

01:39:02.180 --> 01:39:07.060
 one-time training it's something that's going to be routine uh and we're going to do refreshers

01:39:07.060 --> 01:39:10.660
 but what that frequency is going to be has not quite been determined i don't think

01:39:17.780 --> 01:39:21.460
 and that initial command community training was scheduled in march but it was postponed

01:39:21.460 --> 01:39:27.620
 because of covet 19 but that training is actually the command community portion of that training

01:39:27.620 --> 01:39:32.820
 is getting ready to take place september 10th and 11th of this year and there may be

01:39:32.820 --> 01:39:37.860
 someone on this in your group that's scheduled to attend that training

01:39:45.060 --> 01:39:52.340
 any questions about accreditation so far yes ma'am ronda yes i'm not sure it's about

01:39:52.340 --> 01:40:00.180
 accreditation or if i'm going back to your earlier talk but um are officers ever given

01:40:00.180 --> 01:40:06.500
 an opportunity to assess themselves and see how that would differ from their supervisors assessment

01:40:09.700 --> 01:40:16.180
 are you speaking of their annual evaluation or you know as an example

01:40:16.180 --> 01:40:25.220
 so i can't speak to whether or not all of the officers have done it but i i will say that uh

01:40:25.220 --> 01:40:31.780
 it is a process that's beginning to be employed by the den police department and where you can

01:40:31.780 --> 01:40:37.940
 evaluate yourself and your and your supervisor also do your evaluation and you see where where

01:40:37.940 --> 01:40:43.220
 where you meet right and you can see what's the difference between your perception of your

01:40:43.220 --> 01:40:48.980
 performance and the perception of your supervisor okay so that is at the beginning that that

01:40:48.980 --> 01:40:54.740
 doesn't necessarily continue throughout someone's career it may be something that we continue but

01:40:54.740 --> 01:40:59.140
 right now we're beginning so many different projects this year between last year and this

01:40:59.140 --> 01:41:04.180
 year and it may be something that we continue just think about it i think i think it would be very

01:41:04.180 --> 01:41:12.500
 beneficial okay thank you anybody else have any questions bow did i see your hand up

01:41:12.500 --> 01:41:18.420
 uh jamie i have one question you

01:41:18.420 --> 01:41:28.660
 hey hold on jamie your internet is going in and out so we can't can you try it again

01:41:29.940 --> 01:41:40.420
 okay there you go maybe now yes um there's a hundred and sixty eight i think different

01:41:40.420 --> 01:41:45.860
 accreditation steps or processes that were identified i wrote that number down i don't

01:41:45.860 --> 01:41:53.540
 know if i have what that is correctly um but my question is the reports and the patterns that

01:41:53.540 --> 01:42:00.740
 you're identifying are they made publicly available in any way i know that some of them have been made

01:42:00.740 --> 01:42:07.460
 available to this committee i know that there are probably legal implications for maybe not sharing

01:42:07.460 --> 01:42:13.620
 all of them but i am curious if the work that you're doing the analysis strategic work that

01:42:13.620 --> 01:42:19.780
 you're doing is in any way publicly available and if you mentioned it i missed it so sorry

01:42:21.380 --> 01:42:25.540
 so right now we're going through the process so it's not publicly available right now

01:42:25.540 --> 01:42:31.220
 but um uh you know but i'm sure at some point it will but i will say this and i think the chief is

01:42:31.220 --> 01:42:37.060
 okay with this that if anybody has any questions about our accreditation process and our participation

01:42:37.060 --> 01:42:42.580
 in accreditation feel free to call me or make an appointment to come by and i can i have no problem

01:42:42.580 --> 01:42:46.340
 with walking you through exactly what we're doing it's not a secret that we're going through this

01:42:46.340 --> 01:42:52.820
 accreditation process uh and it's a part of our practice of of internal and external procedural

01:42:52.820 --> 01:42:58.260
 justice right uh we share this information with all of our personnel and we we shared it we we've

01:42:58.260 --> 01:43:02.660
 shared this information with you through this report that we pray we that we prepared tonight

01:43:02.660 --> 01:43:08.180
 so i don't think that uh it would be a problem for you if you wanted access to see what we're

01:43:08.180 --> 01:43:12.820
 doing because i mean this is your police department so i don't think i don't think that the accreditation

01:43:12.820 --> 01:43:20.500
 process is something that's secret and just for my own understanding can you tell me approximately

01:43:20.500 --> 01:43:26.820
 how many police departments in our region even or in the state of texas have gone through this

01:43:26.820 --> 01:43:32.340
 accreditation process and our or maybe police departments of our size that are accredited

01:43:32.340 --> 01:43:38.580
 because it is a pretty extensive endeavor so i can't tell you uh by agency size but i can't tell you

01:43:38.580 --> 01:43:45.140
 there's about 155 agencies that have completed accreditation and there's like 30 i think about

01:43:45.140 --> 01:43:50.980
 38 that are going through the process right now including us and then there's i think almost i

01:43:50.980 --> 01:43:57.700
 think 15 that are preparing to go through the process and just because i don't understand the

01:43:57.700 --> 01:44:04.660
 full scope can you give me 100 is about what percentage of all departments well i can tell

01:44:04.660 --> 01:44:16.260
 you there's about 1200 law enforcement agencies in texas so john did you have a question

01:44:16.260 --> 01:44:26.740
 uh no i didn't sure i wanted to just comment on the on the uh on the peer process uh and

01:44:26.740 --> 01:44:33.220
 this was uh something that we picked up years ago when i was working for a major corporation

01:44:33.220 --> 01:44:37.700
 and i've incorporated it in my own business when we have annual reviews and it's quite

01:44:37.700 --> 01:44:45.220
 interesting to see how people see themselves they basically go through and and they do a

01:44:45.220 --> 01:44:50.340
 self-assessment and then the supervisor does an assessment and then we sat down and we talk about

01:44:50.340 --> 01:44:55.940
 uh the you know are we really having the same perception are we seeing things differently

01:44:56.580 --> 01:45:04.260
 and it's quite interesting you know rather than the finger wagging where you you you no no no

01:45:04.260 --> 01:45:09.380
 yes yes yes it's a little more interactive and a little more well received when you do that and i

01:45:09.380 --> 01:45:15.620
 think that that's a i'm glad to hear that that process is is uh being undertaken by the dentin

01:45:15.620 --> 01:45:25.300
 police department thank you okay you can continue dr williams so just a just a little thing about

01:45:25.300 --> 01:45:30.580
 the the accreditation a little more about the accreditation process and what it entails so what

01:45:30.580 --> 01:45:37.540
 the process entails a team of chiefs and former chiefs that get together and and they form your

01:45:37.540 --> 01:45:42.740
 accreditation team and they come in and they do but once you complete the application process

01:45:42.740 --> 01:45:47.540
 which we've already done and you're accepted and you enter into a contract with tpca the texas

01:45:47.540 --> 01:45:55.220
 police chiefs association which we entered into our contract in march and we we uh we began the

01:45:55.220 --> 01:46:04.580
 process uh in march the official officially began the process in march the team comes in and they do

01:46:04.580 --> 01:46:09.540
 an initial on-site assessment of your operation looking looking at they're trying to identify a

01:46:09.540 --> 01:46:14.180
 baseline and to see if there's some glaring issues that might hamper your ability to become

01:46:14.180 --> 01:46:20.180
 accredited so we had that process once they once they completed that on-site process then you're

01:46:20.180 --> 01:46:27.220
 assigned a tpca coordinator that you work with hand in hand that you submit proofs of compliance

01:46:27.220 --> 01:46:35.940
 those 160 and and it said 166 jamie but it was actually 168 and that actually just past weekend

01:46:35.940 --> 01:46:42.980
 was that we were notified that it increased to 170 best practices that we have to comply with

01:46:42.980 --> 01:46:48.100
 and i'm proud to say that the two best practices that they that they added included the duty to

01:46:48.100 --> 01:46:54.900
 intercede and included the banning of choke holes and neck restraints which chief dixon had already

01:46:54.900 --> 01:47:00.740
 implemented so it was easy for us to comply with those right away so uh thank you to chief dixon

01:47:00.740 --> 01:47:07.860
 for his forethought on that uh so they come in they assign us this coordinator that we work with

01:47:07.860 --> 01:47:12.660
 and we're required to submit in our first year we're required to submit proofs of compliance

01:47:12.660 --> 01:47:17.540
 for those 170 best practice in an electronic format and also they're going to come in and

01:47:17.540 --> 01:47:23.060
 visually inspect when they do the final on-site assessment so right now i'm working with the

01:47:23.060 --> 01:47:27.860
 coordinator and i'm submitting proofs of compliance and you can look at that report there's a report

01:47:27.860 --> 01:47:35.140
 a spreadsheet that i put in the information that you have today i think that shows the status of

01:47:35.140 --> 01:47:44.020
 the uh the best practices whether or not they've been submitted approved whether or not we have a

01:47:44.020 --> 01:47:48.980
 current general order that's working or whether and if it's clear then we haven't done much with

01:47:48.980 --> 01:47:57.460
 it at all i don't know do you have that do you have that that sheet is that yes is that no

01:47:57.460 --> 01:48:06.340
 sarah did you um include that sheet in their packet should be in the reports okay

01:48:06.340 --> 01:48:13.860
 is that right dr williams yes it was in it should have been in the reports on this on the slide i

01:48:13.860 --> 01:48:20.740
 guess and maybe i'm not operating the slide right now so i have a phd but my phd is not in technology

01:48:20.740 --> 01:48:26.100
 so i haven't you know so i haven't been operating that slide because i feel like i'm talking to you

01:48:26.100 --> 01:48:31.940
 guys like we're in a in a meeting and i'm not doing a presentation per se but maybe if i click

01:48:31.940 --> 01:48:37.220
 on this yeah because we don't have a slide dr williams oh well maybe maybe i need to click

01:48:37.220 --> 01:48:45.860
 on this and see if it's if it's on here right okay all right uh is it in the slide uh can somebody

01:48:45.860 --> 01:48:47.540
 can somebody give me a hand here

01:48:50.740 --> 01:49:07.780
 hang on yeah

01:49:21.380 --> 01:49:26.500
 okay yes yes so sorry i didn't go through all the visual aid if you want me to start all over from

01:49:26.500 --> 01:49:32.340
 the beginning i can right uh no sir thank you there's a lot of information i talked about

01:49:32.340 --> 01:49:36.340
 that i could have been showing you a visual aid but uh i'm glad your attention was on me

01:49:36.340 --> 01:49:44.660
 uh so here is a is a spreadsheet that shows the status of where we are in the in submitting our

01:49:44.660 --> 01:49:50.020
 proofs of compliance and there's a little legend here at the where there was a legend somewhere

01:49:50.020 --> 01:49:54.820
 maybe it's at the top now there's a legend here that that that tells you how many have been

01:49:54.820 --> 01:50:00.580
 submitted how many and approved how many proofs and and documents submission forms were submitted

01:50:00.580 --> 01:50:05.220
 includes those two new standards how many are currently being worked on now how many are

01:50:05.220 --> 01:50:12.020
 currently the general order is currently in draft how many require some training and then other

01:50:12.020 --> 01:50:19.620
 how many had not been addressed as of yet and so when you look you can see that those that are

01:50:20.260 --> 01:50:26.580
 those that are blue they've been submitted and proved and approved by tpca those that are in

01:50:26.580 --> 01:50:33.460
 brown have been submitted and awaiting approval they're under review those that are yellow we're

01:50:33.460 --> 01:50:37.860
 actively working on and some of those were actually cleared this week this slide hasn't

01:50:37.860 --> 01:50:46.020
 been updated but uh a number of them have been submitted this week uh there are a couple that

01:50:46.020 --> 01:50:52.420
 require some additional proof of training and then white there were a couple that had not been

01:50:52.420 --> 01:50:57.620
 addressed yet 726 and 110 and i know you don't know what they are they don't have the descriptions

01:50:57.620 --> 01:51:03.780
 there but there were two new ones that were added 225 was added this week and also 611 was added

01:51:03.780 --> 01:51:09.060
 this week if anybody wants deeper information about this i mean feel free to contact me i have

01:51:09.060 --> 01:51:11.780
 i'll be more than happy to talk to you and share that information with you

01:51:14.340 --> 01:51:23.540
 any other questions about accreditation so once we satisfy each one of these proofs of compliance

01:51:23.540 --> 01:51:30.580
 then they come in and they do a final assessment and when what they're looking at during those

01:51:30.580 --> 01:51:34.900
 on-site assessments they're looking at our hard copy files remember i have to submit electronic

01:51:34.900 --> 01:51:41.540
 files and also we have to keep hard copy files so that they come in and review those files and then

01:51:41.540 --> 01:51:46.020
 they come in and talk to our personnel because we can tell them what we're doing but they come

01:51:46.020 --> 01:51:50.580
 in and talk to our personnel and say hey are they really doing what they say they're doing

01:51:50.580 --> 01:51:55.780
 right are you aware of the budget are you aware of the departmental changes are you aware of those

01:51:55.780 --> 01:52:01.540
 policies right uh so they come in and they and they physically observe our physical plan as well

01:52:01.540 --> 01:52:07.620
 do we have backup generators do we have a communications department uh do we have

01:52:07.620 --> 01:52:13.220
 inventories do we uh they come and review our property and evidence room so those are things

01:52:13.220 --> 01:52:18.100
 they come in and review our response to resistance records our training records so they come in and

01:52:18.100 --> 01:52:22.420
 review those things on site to make sure we're doing what we say what we're doing not just what

01:52:22.420 --> 01:52:27.060
 we're reporting that we're doing but they come in to physically look and and verify that we're

01:52:27.060 --> 01:52:33.700
 doing what we say we're doing and once that happens the assessors and again the assessor

01:52:33.700 --> 01:52:39.300
 consists of a team of chiefs and former chiefs that come in and do these evaluations and once

01:52:39.300 --> 01:52:45.780
 that happens then they submit a report to the uh tpca accreditation committee and then they decide

01:52:45.780 --> 01:52:52.100
 whether or not our agency becomes accredited and then that accreditation if they agree that

01:52:52.100 --> 01:52:58.180
 we should be accredited then are recognized it's called the the texas police chiefs association

01:52:59.460 --> 01:53:04.660
 recognition agency recognition program which is an accreditation program basically

01:53:04.660 --> 01:53:10.980
 and so it once they decide that we can they feel that we should be recognized then the chief and

01:53:10.980 --> 01:53:15.780
 members of the department are presented with recognition at the annual texas police chiefs

01:53:15.780 --> 01:53:24.020
 association conference and then officers get a nice pin that they can be proud of to show that

01:53:24.020 --> 01:53:30.660
 hey we are and we are an accredited police department and and based on my experience officers

01:53:30.660 --> 01:53:38.340
 are very very proud of becoming accredited and also the community that they serve become is very

01:53:38.340 --> 01:53:45.300
 it's very proud that their agency is accredited has become accredited and as jamie mentioned

01:53:45.300 --> 01:53:49.940
 it seems like a lot of work and that's because it is it's a lot of work to become accredited

01:53:49.940 --> 01:53:55.940
 especially your first time becoming accredited uh to my knowledge this is the first time that

01:53:55.940 --> 01:54:00.180
 the department has ever sought accreditation and this will be the first time that of course the

01:54:00.180 --> 01:54:05.380
 department has ever become accredited and so it's a lot of work and it's a heavy lift in the beginning

01:54:05.380 --> 01:54:14.180
 yes it is any questions about accreditation about the accreditation process

01:54:19.060 --> 01:54:23.460
 yes dr wiamons how long does the process take and when do you anticipate the

01:54:23.460 --> 01:54:28.820
 process to be complete that's an excellent question so the process tpca gives you

01:54:28.820 --> 01:54:35.620
 tpca ah thank you very much i told you i didn't i wasn't an expert in technology

01:54:35.620 --> 01:54:44.420
 good to see you all again so good question mr bangs uh so the process tpca gives you 24 months

01:54:44.420 --> 01:54:51.620
 to complete the accreditation process and what was the second part of your what was the second

01:54:51.620 --> 01:54:58.340
 part of your question so when do you anticipate us completing that process we're hopeful that we

01:54:58.340 --> 01:55:05.060
 we're working very hard right now and we we have accomplished a lot and we're hoping to uh be a

01:55:05.060 --> 01:55:16.980
 become accredited at the april conference in 2021 so we we so we plan so we are ahead of schedule

01:55:16.980 --> 01:55:22.740
 now there's some things that have kind of some bumps in the road with covet 19 and then some some

01:55:22.740 --> 01:55:29.460
 other uh construction related planning that could impact that but right now we're on track to

01:55:30.020 --> 01:55:38.020
 complete this this process in april of 2021 even though they give us until april i guess of march

01:55:38.020 --> 01:55:50.500
 of 2022 okay i think uh willy had a question sure go ahead mr mr husbit

01:55:50.500 --> 01:55:57.140
 you gotta turn it on willy i can't hear you

01:56:00.820 --> 01:56:06.500
 there you go okay thank you who determines which accreditation

01:56:06.500 --> 01:56:19.220
 plan do we choose or is there only one plan that you can choose to become accredited and if if

01:56:19.220 --> 01:56:25.780
 there are more than one if there's more than one plan that that you can subscribe to why did you

01:56:25.780 --> 01:56:33.300
 choose the one that you did or the the city choose the one that they did choose to have this

01:56:33.300 --> 01:56:41.780
 accreditation process put in place and what are the what are the pros and cons of being in this

01:56:41.780 --> 01:56:48.660
 particular program or process of accreditation so that's a very good question excellent question

01:56:48.660 --> 01:56:56.500
 mr husbit uh so there is more than one accreditation there's the kalea accreditation

01:56:56.500 --> 01:57:00.740
 which i mentioned earlier that's the it's a national accreditation to commit the uh

01:57:00.740 --> 01:57:06.100
 uh the commission on accreditation for law enforcement agencies which is a national

01:57:06.100 --> 01:57:11.700
 and one of the largest accrediting bodies and then the texas police chiefs association here in texas

01:57:11.700 --> 01:57:18.340
 is one that the texas police chief association offers one of the major differences and and it's

01:57:18.340 --> 01:57:23.780
 somewhat comparable but one of the major differences is costs so the the kalea accreditation

01:57:23.780 --> 01:57:29.620
 is is very expensive uh and the texas police chiefs association there's some costs associated

01:57:29.620 --> 01:57:38.660
 that with that but it it's it's it's it's easier on our fine it's just it's almost just as difficult

01:57:38.660 --> 01:57:44.740
 but it's it's easier on our our finances uh to participate in this process

01:57:48.340 --> 01:57:54.260
 uh and that that's the major the the major difference

01:57:54.260 --> 01:58:02.980
 anybody else have a question

01:58:02.980 --> 01:58:17.220
 okay dr williams you can proceed so that's our accreditation process in uh in summary

01:58:17.220 --> 01:58:23.780
 if you again if you need more specific information i can give you more specific information uh feel

01:58:23.780 --> 01:58:30.180
 free to contact me by email or come back come and see me at the at the office i'm always available

01:58:30.180 --> 01:58:36.980
 and i can walk you through this process in more detail if you like we can walk you through the

01:58:36.980 --> 01:58:44.180
 training plan if you like we'd be more than happy to do that but at the end of the day this

01:58:44.180 --> 01:58:50.180
 accreditation process and this training plan is is going to help us continue to be the police

01:58:50.180 --> 01:58:57.940
 department that uh you want it to be the police department that our city manager wants us to be

01:58:57.940 --> 01:59:00.580
 the police department that our city government wants us to be

01:59:00.580 --> 01:59:08.420
 that kind of concludes my presentation uh thank you all so much for your attention today

01:59:10.580 --> 01:59:17.460
 bo you had a question wow i missed that no he just raised the same dr williams yes sir

01:59:17.460 --> 01:59:23.940
 i'm just you mentioned earlier the the research that you guys have done the mixed method approach

01:59:23.940 --> 01:59:28.900
 of qualitative quantitative sure one of the things i'd asked the deputy chief earlier was just about

01:59:28.900 --> 01:59:34.820
 the gaps that you guys have discovered particularly in regards to the training regarding use of force

01:59:35.380 --> 01:59:41.780
 okay you know uh you may not have it right in front of you but maybe if that's something that

01:59:41.780 --> 01:59:48.580
 is documented somewhere that we could get just what you found through those through that research

01:59:48.580 --> 01:59:53.460
 you know i know that you've showed us everything that you're working toward in the accreditation

01:59:53.460 --> 01:59:57.540
 but i was just wondering if you knew anything off the top of the mind you know in terms of

01:59:57.540 --> 02:00:05.140
 what gaps were surfaced in that particular area so i don't have that information available right

02:00:05.140 --> 02:00:14.100
 now but i can have that information for you prior to at our next meeting thank you but the information

02:00:14.100 --> 02:00:18.340
 is available yes it is available we do have i just don't have a copy of the report to speak

02:00:18.340 --> 02:00:26.820
 specifically to it right now thank you anyone have any more questions

02:00:26.820 --> 02:00:34.260
 okay thank you dr williams you're very very welcome i look forward to seeing everybody

02:00:34.260 --> 02:00:38.500
 next week thank you so much are we meeting next week yes yes i look forward to seeing

02:00:38.500 --> 02:00:39.940
 everybody next week thank you so much

02:00:39.940 --> 02:00:54.020
 so before we um wrap up this meeting um did anybody i think sarah had a survey that

02:00:54.020 --> 02:00:58.980
 she sent to everybody to start putting input did anybody do their survey

02:01:01.140 --> 02:01:04.980
 want because yeah we don't well sarah how many surveys do you have

02:01:04.980 --> 02:01:09.860
 uh i checked a couple days ago i think there was only two received so far

02:01:09.860 --> 02:01:16.820
 this is the survey that lists your top three things is that what you're talking about

02:01:16.820 --> 02:01:22.660
 correct yes and you sent that in the email because i don't what if i have more than three things

02:01:25.700 --> 02:01:31.060
 um that was a tool that we had proposed using to kind of group together what some of the

02:01:31.060 --> 02:01:36.820
 recommendations recommendations might be from the committee we can still use that tool to get

02:01:36.820 --> 02:01:41.540
 individual feedback from you all but i think with what chief dixon had proposed tonight is kind of

02:01:41.540 --> 02:01:47.780
 that we've gotten those five topic areas in regards to use of force so um at the next

02:01:47.780 --> 02:01:52.020
 meeting chair i'm not sure how you'd like to handle it if you if you want to take training

02:01:52.020 --> 02:01:57.700
 for example as one topic area and say are there any specific recommendations in regards to

02:01:57.700 --> 02:02:03.140
 training for use of force right um and then go forward with each of the five areas and kind of

02:02:03.140 --> 02:02:10.660
 put it together that way i'm happy to to develop anything the committee wishes to have in order to

02:02:10.660 --> 02:02:18.580
 help you form your recommendations um so staff willing to help i have a couple things i guess

02:02:18.580 --> 02:02:26.100
 i um thought next week was a community input call it is but we will have something before we start

02:02:26.100 --> 02:02:35.700
 taking calls like we did the last time okay and um also i've i've been doing some research on the

02:02:35.700 --> 02:02:42.580
 community police oversight board and i know we had mentioned that maybe like there should be a task

02:02:42.580 --> 02:02:47.620
 force of people to work on that but i don't know if that got organized but i wanted to say i've been

02:02:47.620 --> 02:02:53.700
 doing some research on it and the from dallas there's a community oversight board and also

02:02:53.700 --> 02:02:58.660
 there's an advisory council that's made up of community members so i just wanted to say like

02:02:58.660 --> 02:03:03.060
 maybe some folks could get together and i don't know sarah if you could put a call out whoever

02:03:03.060 --> 02:03:11.220
 wants to work on this we can have a call or something um to work on that otherwise i can

02:03:11.220 --> 02:03:18.980
 maybe email you the research that i have compiled in a document uh as a suggestion around that

02:03:18.980 --> 02:03:22.660
 oversight board because it's something that our committee said they wanted to recommend

02:03:22.660 --> 02:03:27.780
 that's what i'm saying i don't know if the the survey is going to be able to fit everything that

02:03:27.780 --> 02:03:36.740
 i have been compiling okay if it helps you um our attorney mike kroneck has put together a few

02:03:36.740 --> 02:03:41.220
 options for the committee to think about that meet the state statutes and our meet and confer

02:03:41.220 --> 02:03:45.860
 currently and just for you to kick around so there's there's actually two or three four different

02:03:45.860 --> 02:03:51.620
 ways that something like that could be structured and we do intend on having one full meeting to

02:03:51.620 --> 02:03:57.300
 present some of those options to you so we're happy to kind of save you a little bit of the

02:03:57.300 --> 02:04:01.460
 research he's already got a position paper that he's working on right now and we wanted to just

02:04:01.460 --> 02:04:09.380
 give you lots of options to kick through at one night i appreciate that and i also tweaked the

02:04:09.380 --> 02:04:15.940
 information from the research that i got for the city of denton to make it more how i think our

02:04:15.940 --> 02:04:22.340
 community is so i'd still like to present what i have found out if that's possible and share

02:04:22.340 --> 02:04:27.860
 that with the chair or the committee or whoever might want to work on that um but yeah i just

02:04:27.860 --> 02:04:32.740
 wanted to add that in that like we had talked about that and right i wanted to bring that up

02:04:32.740 --> 02:04:44.580
 all right um i have a couple more questions so yancey um don who and jamie so go ahead yancey

02:04:50.740 --> 02:04:57.700
 i just uh want to request information from uh mike uh the city attorney can you possibly provide the

02:04:57.700 --> 02:05:03.300
 committee with uh what is the purpose and the charter and everything dealing when it comes along

02:05:03.300 --> 02:05:07.780
 with the civil service commission because i think that a lot of people on the committee don't

02:05:07.780 --> 02:05:12.900
 understand that we already have somewhat of an oversight board which is in terms of the civil

02:05:12.900 --> 02:05:18.740
 service commission so maybe if you can provide information to them regarding what is the charter

02:05:18.740 --> 02:05:23.860
 and the status and the purpose of the civil service commission they might answer some of

02:05:23.860 --> 02:05:28.580
 their questions and let them know that some of these things are already in place so i think

02:05:28.580 --> 02:05:35.220
 that'll be some good information that the committee probably would like to review thank you sure

02:05:35.220 --> 02:05:44.260
 i'm assuming you don't you don't i'm sorry go ahead mike i'm assuming you mean when i do my

02:05:44.260 --> 02:05:52.580
 presentation uh at that time or i don't think you're asking for me to specify that right

02:05:52.580 --> 02:05:58.900
 right now right no okay no not right now i'm just saying that even if it's beforehand maybe you can

02:05:58.900 --> 02:06:04.580
 get it to sarah and sarah can put it out in like an email form or something because i and this is

02:06:04.580 --> 02:06:10.340
 just me from the inside uh looking out i know a lot of anti-workers and i know the committee doesn't

02:06:10.340 --> 02:06:14.820
 and they probably don't understand what the civil service commission is and don't even know that we

02:06:14.820 --> 02:06:20.740
 even have the civil that it even exists and in fact we have members on this committee that's

02:06:20.740 --> 02:06:25.700
 part of the civil service commission that hadn't spoke up about the civil service commission so i

02:06:25.700 --> 02:06:31.620
 think that uh maybe the putting information i mean i'm all about sharing information and letting

02:06:31.620 --> 02:06:37.060
 people know what we already have in place maybe they won't try to reinvent the wheel i guess is

02:06:37.060 --> 02:06:41.860
 what i'm trying to say because it's already there sure i'll be happy to do that and mr baines who's

02:06:41.860 --> 02:06:47.780
 pointed out is actually on the commission at some point maybe could uh give his point of view of

02:06:47.780 --> 02:06:58.660
 what what they do and those types of things thank you okay my question is to sarah um is it possible

02:06:58.660 --> 02:07:05.060
 that we can email you that sometime um before our next meeting because i honestly did not see

02:07:05.060 --> 02:07:09.700
 that's really i'm sorry i'm like i'm willing to commit so i really do apologize for that delay

02:07:09.700 --> 02:07:15.220
 no problem yes i'd be happy to do so okay thank you jeremy

02:07:15.220 --> 02:07:26.660
 it is possible that i am just too much of a type a an organized person for this type of committee

02:07:26.660 --> 02:07:34.660
 endeavor but i'm really struggling with how many weeks we have remaining in our charge and how

02:07:34.660 --> 02:07:41.620
 little conversation we as a committee have been able to have to this point we've been

02:07:41.620 --> 02:07:49.380
 intaking a lot of information but we have not really had the opportunity to discuss how we

02:07:49.380 --> 02:07:55.860
 individually have processed the information to be able to move forward to making recommendations and

02:07:55.860 --> 02:08:01.860
 i was the one last week that suggested or wanted to know if it was possible to do work groups or

02:08:01.860 --> 02:08:07.460
 something like that and i i'm just really struggling with what our timeline is as a

02:08:07.460 --> 02:08:13.460
 committee moving forward and hearing that there are additional presentations that we will continue

02:08:13.460 --> 02:08:20.740
 to be receiving so can somebody walk me through when when are we going to hash that out and who's

02:08:20.740 --> 02:08:28.100
 gonna help us to make sure that we meet the charge that this the mayor and the city council have given

02:08:28.100 --> 02:08:37.380
 to us yeah we have laid out a timeline basically that we would try to have some kind of a draft

02:08:37.380 --> 02:08:43.700
 report to for all of you to discuss recommending at the council either towards the end of september

02:08:43.700 --> 02:08:49.620
 sometime early october i mean i think the initial goal of september 15th probably isn't realistic

02:08:49.620 --> 02:08:54.820
 for some of the reasons you're articulating and kind of after listening to you tonight

02:08:55.860 --> 02:09:01.060
 you know i think we'll start off the next meeting by kind of introducing kind of the vision to deal

02:09:01.060 --> 02:09:05.460
 with some of the policy issues that we're hearing come out of the committee i mean it's been pretty

02:09:05.460 --> 02:09:11.460
 obvious to us what what you're interested in but i think we also need to build in more time now for

02:09:11.460 --> 02:09:18.100
 you to to have those debates in those particular areas so we'll we'll provide that framework to

02:09:18.100 --> 02:09:22.660
 kick off the next meeting get your input on that if you want to break down into a couple different

02:09:22.660 --> 02:09:27.460
 subcommittees and take that on as long as we meet the open meetings act we can then staff and we can

02:09:27.460 --> 02:09:32.260
 we can certainly accommodate you with that but this is not a this is not something where it

02:09:32.260 --> 02:09:38.580
 september 15th is a is a must be you know we must meet that date i mean if we need to take two or

02:09:38.580 --> 02:09:42.900
 three more meetings in order to make everybody comfortable and review the report going to the

02:09:42.900 --> 02:09:49.380
 council we're going to do that so if that's what you want to do we're here with you donna

02:09:51.540 --> 02:09:57.620
 um i also have a concern towards that too because my initial um thought was that this would um kind

02:09:57.620 --> 02:10:02.420
 of end on september 15th and with the many commitments that i do have i'm afraid that

02:10:02.420 --> 02:10:08.020
 i won't be able to provide as much input as as i would like to um with these other meetings that

02:10:08.020 --> 02:10:13.780
 you're suggesting um so is there like another channel that we can put our input through um in

02:10:13.780 --> 02:10:19.940
 the case that we cannot make these meetings and will it um affect us in any way um i kind of just

02:10:19.940 --> 02:10:26.980
 want to know there's like a penalty towards that there's no penalty oh go ahead yeah there's no

02:10:26.980 --> 02:10:32.180
 penalty at all um and if you can't make a meeting and want to make it want to make sure that your

02:10:32.180 --> 02:10:36.980
 opinion is heard if you would just let you know send something into sarah she's working closely

02:10:36.980 --> 02:10:41.860
 with chief dixon and sheryl as our chair to kind of organize the information and uh that's going

02:10:41.860 --> 02:10:45.460
 to be the best way to do it but there there is no penalty for missing a meeting if you can't make

02:10:45.460 --> 02:10:49.060
 it you can't make it but if we want it we want your information we want to know what you're

02:10:49.060 --> 02:10:54.100
 thinking so i think sarah's the person that kind of to help disseminate that for everyone and we'll

02:10:54.100 --> 02:10:59.460
 let the committee know what your thoughts were and you can go back and watch the meeting that you

02:10:59.460 --> 02:11:06.580
 missed so that you won't uh you'll you'll be up to date up to speed when whenever you can participate

02:11:06.580 --> 02:11:11.620
 willie i i know you're dying to say something because i can see it in your face so go ahead

02:11:14.980 --> 02:11:21.140
 uh turn it on willie i can't hear you push the button willie

02:11:21.140 --> 02:11:29.460
 there you go don't get old because it's not no fun two things i was sitting here thinking

02:11:29.460 --> 02:11:37.540
 about the mandate or what this the city council has asked us to do to develop a report clear findings

02:11:40.820 --> 02:11:47.060
 city manager i've been in two meetings where we've had to do something like this one was when we were

02:11:47.060 --> 02:11:55.220
 choosing you as a a candidate and i please don't hold me to me saying you weren't a good candidate

02:11:55.220 --> 02:12:02.740
 for the job uh just kidding just kidding but we've been on two of those and you've got certain people

02:12:02.740 --> 02:12:09.780
 that's very good at bringing groups to a consensus i hope that when we get to that point where we are

02:12:10.420 --> 02:12:15.780
 talking about what the report should have and what we plan to do you incorporate some of those

02:12:15.780 --> 02:12:22.820
 because they were able to just like sarah's done with the five points got us on point that this is

02:12:22.820 --> 02:12:32.020
 all we're asking for and just as fri what i've what have kept me on point is just remembering

02:12:32.020 --> 02:12:37.220
 i'm not a person to try to tell everybody what to do i'm not that i don't have that power the

02:12:37.220 --> 02:12:42.820
 committee doesn't have that power we're making a recommendation so if we have someone there who can

02:12:42.820 --> 02:12:51.780
 kind of steers in in the right direction in that the majority of us agree with should be in that

02:12:51.780 --> 02:12:58.580
 report i'm real comfortable with with starting that process after we get this additional

02:12:58.580 --> 02:13:05.940
 information the one thing i fear is if we split up that group will have people in there who sees

02:13:05.940 --> 02:13:10.100
 things a certain way then when we come back together we still got the same problem we've

02:13:10.100 --> 02:13:15.300
 got to figure out then what do we do what do we keep so i think it's better if we just stay together

02:13:15.300 --> 02:13:23.620
 and then talk about what it is we'd like to see in the report and with me just remembering

02:13:23.620 --> 02:13:30.420
 i'm not a rule maker i don't know much about what the police do still don't have to listen to all

02:13:30.420 --> 02:13:35.780
 of these reports so if i hear other people and what they're saying i think we can come up with

02:13:35.780 --> 02:13:43.860
 a a report that might be helpful to the city council members i think i think if we will we'll

02:13:43.860 --> 02:13:50.580
 provide kind of that we'll do a little bit better job next time of showing you the five areas that

02:13:50.580 --> 02:13:54.980
 we've kind of broken it down into and why if you want to add to it or change it that's great but

02:13:54.980 --> 02:13:59.860
 we felt like we needed to provide at least a starting point for you to uh to kind of agree

02:13:59.860 --> 02:14:05.700
 some skids then we'll back away i think for the next meeting also something would be helpful is you

02:14:05.700 --> 02:14:09.940
 you've been inundated with a lot of information tonight about training we had a lot of questions

02:14:09.940 --> 02:14:14.740
 at the last meeting about what kind of training do the officers go through do we have enough budget

02:14:14.740 --> 02:14:20.740
 for it that sort of thing and i think our staff did a really great job tonight explaining exactly

02:14:20.740 --> 02:14:26.020
 how robust the training is and and all the things that dr williams is working on but

02:14:26.580 --> 02:14:30.820
 if if you could all kind of think about you know what do you think is missing i've taken some notes

02:14:30.820 --> 02:14:35.460
 that you know that i i heard from you tonight but if you could just kind of think about what

02:14:35.460 --> 02:14:40.260
 what would you like to see what in your mind is missing i think that's an important part of the

02:14:40.260 --> 02:14:44.180
 recommendation because how we'd envisioned this was just sort of breaking it down into

02:14:44.180 --> 02:14:50.180
 training ideas we know the committee is a big the oversight committee or that concept is

02:14:50.180 --> 02:14:56.260
 is is out there and we're kind of looking at it as sort of bullet point recommendations to the

02:14:56.260 --> 02:15:02.180
 council at the end of the day it doesn't need to be a you know 50 page report to them i mean it's

02:15:02.180 --> 02:15:06.740
 it could be a a few pages of just saying hey you know there's these topical areas we really went

02:15:06.740 --> 02:15:12.500
 into um you've been you've really grabbed the reporting aspect as well so we've we've integrated

02:15:12.500 --> 02:15:18.180
 that chief's already starting to work on more robust outward facing reporting so as you're

02:15:18.180 --> 02:15:23.860
 talking it may not be so obvious but we're making changes listening to you and i think just sort of

02:15:23.860 --> 02:15:29.140
 wrapping it up and kind of showing you what we're doing as a result of the input we're getting kind

02:15:29.140 --> 02:15:34.100
 of rolls into the report so we'll do a little bit better job next week maybe putting that into a

02:15:34.100 --> 02:15:42.980
 visual format for you and then we're gonna willy you and then after willy it'll be john and then

02:15:42.980 --> 02:15:48.420
 pam and then we're gonna wrap it up for the evening all right one of the things that the chief brought

02:15:48.420 --> 02:15:55.620
 to my attention tonight when he said how much time it would take for these individual these police

02:15:55.620 --> 02:16:02.980
 officers to complete one course and how much it will cost so we need to as a group we need to

02:16:02.980 --> 02:16:07.060
 kind of consider that before we start saying you need to do this and you need to do that and that

02:16:07.060 --> 02:16:14.180
 i have no idea so that was very helpful what he shared thank you willy john

02:16:16.980 --> 02:16:23.940
 uh thank you madam chair i'm one of the civil service commissioners i've had the pleasure of

02:16:23.940 --> 02:16:29.700
 serving on the civil service commission for three years i was just asked to serve another three

02:16:29.700 --> 02:16:39.300
 years and my experience there has been it's been a very unique experience listening to

02:16:40.420 --> 02:16:50.260
 the police officers and the fire uh the fireman and um the when you talk about citizen input i

02:16:50.260 --> 02:16:59.620
 don't really see the uh much opportunity there unless you're a dedicated uh person who would

02:16:59.620 --> 02:17:06.260
 like to come and sit in those meetings which can be very technical and very um very confined

02:17:06.260 --> 02:17:17.940
 we have a very uh very very strict agenda and we have uh some governing laws and the um some

02:17:17.940 --> 02:17:27.780
 contracts that we have to abide by and so uh as far as that vehicle providing an audience are

02:17:28.740 --> 02:17:39.220
 sufficient uh community input i basically don't see it as that recently to me

02:17:39.220 --> 02:17:48.100
 as things arise and and people in the community would like to have some input to me that's where

02:17:48.100 --> 02:17:53.860
 i see that that uh citizen oversight or citizen of i don't know what how to describe it it gives

02:17:53.860 --> 02:18:00.180
 people a chance to talk and have input and be heard and so that's just my impression as to

02:18:00.180 --> 02:18:05.380
 civil service commission and its function versus having a different

02:18:05.380 --> 02:18:14.500
 committee that's geared specifically to citizen input thank you john you're welcome

02:18:14.500 --> 02:18:19.620
 jamie and this is the last question and then we're gonna wrap it up so we can

02:18:20.340 --> 02:18:26.580
 we've gone over kind of our time go ahead jamie i was just going to say that i think

02:18:26.580 --> 02:18:32.340
 to willie's point i don't disagree willie i think we could do it all as a group i think what i'm

02:18:32.340 --> 02:18:40.820
 asking of our city support is some space for us as a committee to do so i feel like we just need

02:18:40.820 --> 02:18:47.940
 some time to sit together and share what we have learned and what we feel like is coming out of

02:18:47.940 --> 02:18:54.660
 these conversations and start to identify some commonalities and i certainly appreciate you guys

02:18:54.660 --> 02:19:01.780
 trying to do that for us but i i do feel like there's value in just some open conversation

02:19:01.780 --> 02:19:09.380
 around those four or five points where we can sort of go around robin as a crew well i think

02:19:09.380 --> 02:19:15.540
 and i think what they wanted to do and i think the goal was to get all the information out there so

02:19:15.540 --> 02:19:21.060
 that when we did sit down and have those conversations that we had all the information

02:19:21.060 --> 02:19:27.860
 out there i think what might have frightened everyone was the initial timeline of september

02:19:27.860 --> 02:19:34.820
 15th now that we know that we have more time it doesn't feel like we're so pressed together

02:19:34.820 --> 02:19:42.580
 to come up and you know what i'm saying so i think um next week we'll have some time prior to

02:19:42.580 --> 02:19:49.220
 the calls from the public to go over some more stuff and then we'll start delving into that but

02:19:49.220 --> 02:19:56.420
 i think that because we have more time we'll be able to sit and have those conversations

02:19:56.420 --> 02:20:02.100
 and hash bullet point by bullet point to come up with the solution that we have

02:20:02.100 --> 02:20:11.460
 okay pam this is the last question go ahead thank you shirle um this is for yancy and it'll be very

02:20:11.460 --> 02:20:16.740
 quick is there a refresher training for the mental health just i have two questions

02:20:16.740 --> 02:20:21.380
 yeah so for the mental health you talk about mental health peace ups or just mental health in

02:20:21.380 --> 02:20:26.500
 general the crisis intervention training that you were is there any kind of refresher after that 40

02:20:26.500 --> 02:20:35.860
 hours uh i know that's initial in the academy and then i i want to say you get like 24 don't call me

02:20:35.860 --> 02:20:39.860
 on the hours but it's more training when you get your intermediate and advanced license but the

02:20:39.860 --> 02:20:44.260
 thing about the specialized training you know you have to have an officer that want to take that

02:20:44.260 --> 02:20:49.540
 training once they get that license in because like a mental health peace officer i'm a mental

02:20:49.540 --> 02:20:54.260
 health peace officer but and i have to take continuing education hours on top of the other

02:20:54.260 --> 02:21:00.180
 required hours and then now you're bogging the officer down that's something i have to want to

02:21:00.180 --> 02:21:06.100
 take yes and then officer down with hours of training and that therefore you're taking

02:21:06.100 --> 02:21:11.940
 officers off of the street so sometimes you got to relate with training versus the needs of the

02:21:11.940 --> 02:21:17.060
 community and the department and then in the autism training was that based on an event that

02:21:17.060 --> 02:21:23.460
 happened with an officer something that happened in the community or is that something you all just

02:21:23.460 --> 02:21:30.500
 that was that the autism training was something i am on the academy advisory board okay and that

02:21:30.500 --> 02:21:37.060
 was something that came out of a concern from a citizen who had an adult child who was on the

02:21:37.060 --> 02:21:42.980
 spectrum he was you know functioning could drive and what have you but he had twitches and that

02:21:42.980 --> 02:21:50.660
 was a concern and so we brought that and so that's how that was that training okay thank you so much

02:21:50.660 --> 02:22:01.940
 you're welcome okay so we're going to wrap up tonight and it is what time is it it is 8 35

02:22:01.940 --> 02:22:10.100
 and we will be back next week we will have a brief presentation and then we will take calls

02:22:10.100 --> 02:22:17.860
 from the public like we did prior to this couple weeks ago it will be the same format

02:22:18.580 --> 02:22:25.700
 and sarah did you have anything you wanted to add we'll be sending out a press release tomorrow

02:22:25.700 --> 02:22:30.020
 to inform the community of the second public input session and i'll distribute that to all of you as

02:22:30.020 --> 02:22:38.420
 well okay will there be emails as well this time or online entry correct the online form is still

02:22:38.420 --> 02:22:43.860
 open it has been since the first public input session and that'll remain open until thursday evening

02:22:46.820 --> 02:22:56.740
 okay well thank you guys for participating and we'll see you next week