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 Welcome back to the city of Denton use of force ad hoc committee.

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 Our first item of tonight will August 13 2020 will be the minutes from the last meeting.

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 And if you've had a chance to look over the minutes from the last meeting, I will need

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 a motion to approve the minutes Gary make a motion I need a second.

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 Yancy seconded. All in favor. Raise your hand or say aye. Hold them up for a second.

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 Any nays. Okay, I'll approve motion carries.

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 The next item is to review and discuss follow up items from the previous committee meetings

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 last week you had questions that you posed and I think we're going to have the answers

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 to those Sarah. Yes, so included in your backup. We did draft

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 a document that kind of summarize the questions and answers we heard from committee members

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 last time. So if there's any additional questions or inquiries that we did not capture, please

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 let us know. We just want to make sure we're getting the information to you during the

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 meeting or following the meeting. But I think most of the questions were actually

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 addressed during last week's meeting or we will have presentations and info upcoming

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 for you. Did anyone have any additional questions

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 that they wanted at this time for with regards to last week's meeting.

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 Okay. So we'll go to item C, receive a report and

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 hold a discussion regarding proposed topic areas related to use of force in the Denton

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 Police Department, including internal affairs, training, accreditation and compliance policy

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 and use of force and provide staff direction on findings or recommendations by topic area.

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 Alright, good evening, Madam Chair and committee members. It's a pleasure to be here with you

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 again. So based on our last few weeks of discussion,

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 we wanted to take the opportunity to put together kind of the five key areas that we've kind

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 of had recurring discussions about and questions about. And we thought if we package these

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 individually and presented them to you individually, we could have a more robust discussion about

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 each area. And that being internal affairs, which we talked about last week, training,

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 accreditation and compliance policy and our general orders and then use of force.

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 So tonight we're going to go through and if you look in your backup, you should have gotten

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 I believe it's like a 36 page document that had all these areas spelled out with a pretty

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 exhaustive summary for each for you to reference. Tonight we're going to do training and what

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 I'm going to have do is Deputy Chief Frank Padgett, who's over the training division will

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 present didn't PD training requirements, state requirements, compared to the department's

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 additional requirements, the number of training hours versus years of service, how you obtain

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 different levels of certification from your basic intermediate advanced masters. And then

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 we'll have Dr. Richard Williams, who's our accreditation and compliance specialist, talk

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 to you about our comprehensive training plan. It's a plan that we moving to, to be more

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 intentional and more focused about what training we're offering. You know, kind of laying out

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 career tracks for officers to better serve the public. So with that, I'll turn it over

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 to Deputy Chief Padgett first, unless there's any questions for me.

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 All right. I just want to let you guys know to leave your cameras on throughout the duration

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 of this meeting so that we can have you on camera. Thank you. You're on mute.

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 Of course I am. One in every meeting, right? Good evening, Madam Chair and committee. I

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 am Frank Padgett, Deputy Chief of the Support Bureau of the Denton Police Department. That's

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 a criminal investigations, training, jail, and our fleet. So I want to start tonight.

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 The sanctity of life is the basis of everything that we do at the Denton Police Department.

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 And that begins with training. And each officer that comes into our department begins as a

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 basic police officer. Even our lateral officers go through the basic police academy. And what

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 we learn in the academy is that as officers, we can only use the authority that's given

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 to us by the public. That authority has been given to us by the legislature of the state.

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 It's given to us also by case law. And case law is the law that comes out of courts. You

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 know, after somebody's been arrested and then they go on appeal and different courts look

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 at it and they decide, well, they interpret what the legislature meant by the law. So

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 when I teach in the academy, I teach arrest, search, and seizure, and that goes -- that

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 covers the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution. In the first four hours

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 of that class, it's not mandated by the state to teach this, but we spend the first four

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 hours of class in Denton PD's academy getting the recruits' hearts and minds right. We set

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 them up so that they're ready to receive the knowledge. We remind them, you are citizens.

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 You're also the police, but the police are only citizens that have been given the authority

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 to do certain things. So we kind of put it back on them to put them back in the seat

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 of the citizen. And how are you going to look as a citizen, how are you going to look when

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 you get stopped by the police? How are you going to react when an officer wants to search

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 your vehicle? So we put that back on them. Because as officers, they need the knowledge,

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 but they also need to have compassion, which leads to discretion. You know, is it -- the

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 knowledge is what can we do? What does the law say we can do as officers? The discretion

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 comes in where that is the what should we do. What's the right thing in this situation?

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 We want to make critical decision makers. We don't want to make robots. We don't want

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 to make officers that look at every situation the same. You know, not every problem is a

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 nail. So not every solution needs to be a hammer. We need officers to be able to go

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 into situations, correctly assess that situation, and then decide what is the correct course

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 of action. And we do that by teaching problem-solving. We do teach problem-solving different methods,

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 the SARA method we teach in the academy. So then once you're out of the academy, there's

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 ongoing training. The state of Texas, T-COL, you can go to -- it's T-COL, T-C-O-L-E dot

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 Texas dot org, and you can find every syllabus for every training that police officers in

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 Texas have to go to. Every two years, there's a two-year cycle, and every officer from the

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 chief on down has to go through 40 hours of training every two years. Some of that is

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 mandated training. Each legislature that meets every two years will come up with different

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 training that we have to go through. You'll see some of that. I'll bring up the presentation

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 here in a minute. But you'll see some of that is state mandated, and that changes every

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 two years. And every two years, we have to go through an illegal update, which teaches

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 the officers, okay, this was the law two years ago. It's changed now, and here's the update

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 so that you know it. Because on September 1st, when that law goes into effect, we need

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 to know it. So there's T-COL. There's our basic curriculum. There is our -- and each

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 -- you have the basic proficiency certificate that you get, then you have an intermediate

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 and an advanced and then a master's certificate as a peace officer. And each one requires

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 different things. Some of it is training in the classes that you have to take that are

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 mandated by the state, and then some of it is time in employment as an officer. Because

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 we understand that some of the training is on the job training. It's experience. It's

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 putting yourself in those positions and applying the knowledge that you have to different situations.

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 So we have T-COL. We have -- we went through a PERF review two years ago now. That guides

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 some of our training. Dr. Williams will talk about our comprehensive training plan here

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 in just a little bit, and he'll go through all of the things that led into that plan.

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 And then, you know, the last thing that really drives our training is the 21st century policing

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 pillars. And that's being trust and legitimacy -- sorry -- policy and oversight, technology

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 and social media, community policing and crime reduction, training and education, and officer

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 safety and wellness. And that officer safety and wellness, you know, that's getting officers

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 well so that they are mentally well themselves to deal with the next call. And they're not

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 holding things in and bringing that baggage to the next call that they go to. So let me

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 Okay. So this is our basic and intermediate training. You'll see the courses there. Our

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 basic academy is 716 hours. Then field training is another 742 hours. And our field training

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 is when the recruit graduates the academy, comes into field training, rides with a field

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 training officer, a teacher, for 12 hours a day, and they do 742 hours of that training.

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 They may do more if they're -- if we find that they're deficient in a certain area or

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 if they are out for an extended period of time. For some reason, you know, they get

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 sick or something, they'll have them make that up and do a little bit more training.

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 And like I said, the two-year cycle is 40 hours every two years. But the basic academy

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 and field training, that's almost 1500 hours of training that a police officer gets before

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 they're actually able to go out on their own. The academy takes about four to five months.

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 But then they're in the field training for almost that long as well. So it's almost 1500

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 hours before an officer is allowed to go out by themselves. The intermediate certification,

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 that will be the next level that an officer rises to. Right now, the mandated courses

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 are child abuse, crime scene, use of force, an intermediate arrest, search, and seizure,

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 and a Spanish class. Some of those classes, the Denton Academy does 716 hours because

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 we include two mandated classes in our academy. The state only requires 696 hours. But we

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 throw those -- de-escalation and other class, we throw in the academy and don't wait until

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 officers graduate to take those classes. And then -- so the -- over on the right, the hours

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 and years of service to obtain an intermediate certification, if you have an associate's

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 degree and gone through the required mandated state training, then you also have to do four

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 years on the street before you can get that certification. If you have a bachelor's degree

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 or higher, it's only two years. Because you've had that -- if you have that bachelor's degree,

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 you've had some education. And the state takes that into account that you've put in the work

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 to earn that degree. If you don't have any education as far as a degree, then you'll

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 see the hours go up and the years of service go up. You have to have the hours of training

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 plus the years of service to be able to obtain that degree.

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 Legislative mandates, if they're not part of the academy, if we don't take them in the

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 academy, let's say officers that graduate this year from the academy, well, in two years,

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 the legislature decides, well, there's another course that we mandate. Well, the officers

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 that graduated the academy this year didn't get that course. So they're going to have

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 to go back, do some in-service training, and go ahead and take that course. Right now,

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 the legislative mandates are body-warm camera. If you're going to wear a body-warm camera,

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 you have to have a minimum of two hours training. K-9 encounters, it teaches officers how to

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 deal with dogs, how to read dog's body language. Civilian interaction, that's how do we interact

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 with civilians on the street, traffic stops, doing the seven-step violator contact, which

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 is how do we actually come up to your window if we stopped you for speeding and interact

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 with you appropriately? The other half of that is in the high schools, we do civilian

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 interaction training with the students. And they're taught, if you're stopped by the police,

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 how should you react appropriately? So we're getting that from both ends. Cultural diversity

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 and diversity, de-escalation, and de-escalation is the go-to philosophy of the Dent Police

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 Department. We will de-escalate every encounter that we can to the extent that we can. Eyewitness

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 identification, human trafficking, identity theft, interacting with drivers who are deaf

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 or hard of hearing, we get that training. Racial profiling, and then the department-mandated

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 training. Since Chief Dixon came in in October of 2018, we have mandated some extra training

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 that will get us to where we want to be in the future. We've had Autism 101, we teach

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 us officers how to interact with persons that may be experiencing autism. Autism is on a

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 spectrum, so you may have people that are completely nonverbal, you may have people

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 that are very high functioning, and anywhere in between. So we've seen instances where

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 officers encounter someone with autism, they believe that person is intoxicated based on

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 their observations, and this will teach us officers how to distinguish that, how to draw

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 that line, how to take the step back and say, "Oh, this may not be an intoxicated person.

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 This may be something completely different, so I need to approach this in a different

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 way." That was really good training. Human relations, how to interact with each other

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 in the workplace, how to treat each other with dignity and respect. Fair and impartial

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 policing, that covers the explicit and implicit bias. Animal abuse investigations, the duty

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 to intercede, that's on the front of our plate right now, is you have to have the duty to

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 intercede. It's required by the department, but it's required by us individually that

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 to be good officers, we have to be able to intercede. I mean, that's what we're doing

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 out there when we're called to a call, we're interceding. We have to be able to see that

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 within ourselves and stop another officer from going over the line. Going back to what

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 I teach in the academy, you have to be able to respectfully, at least respectfully interact

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 with your, or interject with your supervisors and say, "Sards, I'm not doing that. That's

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 against the law. I don't think we have enough to put this guy in jail. We can't do that,

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 and respectfully, I'm not doing it." We have to be able to do that. The duty to intercede

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 really covers the not so overt. It's easy. In a TV show, what would you do? It's easier

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 to interact or interject when something is overt, but what is your duty when things aren't

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 so overt? That goes into that. First line of supervisor training on violence

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 against ... Oh, this is IACP training that we did, International Association Chiefs of

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 Police. We were a recipient of a grant, and we had about 18 months of very intensive family

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 violence, domestic violence training. That was first line supervisor training on violence

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 against women, identifying and responding to stalking, determining the dominant aggressor.

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 Who is the dominant aggressor? You go to a domestic ... I think Cheryl was saying earlier

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 that she stepped into dispatch earlier, and they told her that there was 12 to 15 calls

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 a day of domestic violence. How do you determine the dominant aggressor when both people have

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 bumps and bruises? When maybe the one party seems to be more aggressive when officers

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 are on scene, but when you dig through it, really, who started the interaction? That

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 training helps officers ... We don't want to go to a domestic and arrest everybody.

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 We have to be able to investigate and determine which one was really the dominant aggressor

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 and which one was simply fighting back. Improving our response to non-fatal strangulation

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 assaults. We have a lot of domestics that are strangulation assaults, and strangulation

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 isn't always easily identifiable. Maybe the marks don't show up immediately, so that's

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 hard to see sometimes, so we had training on that. How do we improve? How do we ... We

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 brought the fire department in so that they would see the effects of strangulation assaults,

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 because they may get called to a scene or they may remove somebody from a scene before

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 we get there, so we brought them in so that they would have a better understanding. Integrating

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 victimless rights. Preparing for and learning how to survive vicarious trauma. Again, that

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 goes back to officer wellness. Officers are exposed to vicarious trauma. The calls that

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 officers go on, the things they see, that gets bottled up and that overflows. How do

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 we get the officers to be able to filter that better so that when they go from a really

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 bad scene to the next scene and then they deal with somebody who's just not being nice

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 to the officer, how do they respond effectively? NIMS and ICS training. That is the incident

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 command training. If we have a tornado here in town, how do we train? How do we work with

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 the fire department, the airport, solid waste? How do we interact with the rest of the city

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 so we can get the city back running? The escalation I talked about. Taser, OC spray, baton, Narcan.

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 Narcan, that's something new for us. We received training on that very recently and have been

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 able to save several lives that people were overdosed on heroin and officers were able

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 to respond, deliver the Narcan and those people recovered, whereas they might have died had

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 the officer not been there. We had one officer, I think he responded and saved two or three

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 lives within a week. Standardized field sobriety test. That's the standardized test for driving

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 while intoxicated that we do. Well, we have trained the trainer and we have certain certifications

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 that you have to go through on a regular basis. Emergency vehicle operations. How do we operate

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 that -- so it's part of that critical decision making. We bring actors in so that the officers

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 have to respond and they have to decide who is a threat and who is not. You know, so we

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 do that training. Going forward, Dr. Williams will talk about the comprehensive training

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 plan that we have for the department and that includes from the academy to a special assignment.

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 need for training? What does a training officer? What does the people that are going to teach

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 our officers? What do they need for training? And then what is the training that the department

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 needs as a whole? Dr. Williams will talk about that. Questions? Nancy?

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 >> Chief, I know I understand it, but a lot of people on the committee probably don't

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 understand. Can you go back to the first slide where we were talking about intermediate in

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 the hours that's mandated for training and all that dealing with intermediate training

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 and the academy? Not that one. The other one talking about the hours.

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 where it says intermediate hours, those are in addition to the required courses and those

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 are actually training hours, not hours that's where people actually just come to work. Some

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 people might think that the 2400 hours is working hours, but those are actually continuing

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 education that officers actually have to go through in order to actually receive that

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 certification, not work hours. So that's continuing education. And the education has to be approved

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 by TECO, which is the licensing agency for the state, so you can't just go take a class

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 on the water, basket weaving or something, and think those hours count towards the education

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 hours. >> Right. And those hours, too, those hours

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 are what time did you spend in a class, whether that's you're sitting in a classroom listening

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 knowledge that you have and applying it in situations or whether you were driving a vehicle

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 for eight hours on a track. That's actual class time.

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 >> Thank you. I just wanted to make sure they understood that was training hours, not working

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 two questions. The first is can you talk about let's say updates, having training updates?

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 Those two specifics, please. >> Okay. When you say updates, do you mean

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 updates to the training that like say you take a arrest, search, and seizure class in

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 of the academy, that update or are you saying the actual -- how often is the curriculum

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 officer for 15 years and I had some training in my first two years. You know, it's just

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 like anything else, you need a refresher course from time to time. So could you talk about

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 is there a refresher course that we take the officers through just to make sure they're

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 staying abreast of any changes that may have occurred. And then secondly, if a supervisor

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 notices that one of the subordinates is in need of perhaps sensitivity training or something

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 in their annual review, they realize that it would be good that they go back and take

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 something old or take something new to kind of help them in their development.

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 >> Yes, sir. The legislature comes out with new laws every two years so we get a legal

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 update every two years and every officer is mandated to take that update training. Yes.

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 requests all the time. They have to fill out a form and they say I want to -- because training

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 costs money so it has to get approved up through the chain. So I get requests all the time.

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 I supervise detectives so I'll use that as an example. I want to know what the current

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 practices are. I want to know what the current law is if I want to search a cell phone. I

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 want to know what the current law is if I want to get, you know, certain records or

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 submit a subpoena or a warrant or that sort of thing. So whether that's -- whether that's

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 the officers asking themselves and they just want to be better or if that supervisor is

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 doing it, it's probably a mixture of both. I know that if a supervisor does recognize

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 that deficiency or we have any disciplinary action, we'll have a training component with

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 it. And that disciplinary action may not be, you know, hard discipline. You know, it may

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 just be this wasn't a big deal, but I think you still need training in this area to get

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 your indulgence. I -- the incident in Minneapolis kind of is paramount in our consciousness.

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 my last question for right now. Thank you. >> Yes. I don't know what they had in place.

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 I know in Denton we actively look at officer issues. And, you know, they'll do things on

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 the street that, you know, it's not illegal, it's not a violation of policy. It's just

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 somebody will go, you know, so-and-so did this, you know. I think we need some arrest

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 search and seizure training or something else or some human interaction training.

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 >> Thank you. Deputy Chief, can you tell me what kind of mental health training that you

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 but can you tell me currently what's available, please?

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 >> There's we have autism training that the department offered that's not mandated. We

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 do have some mandated courses as far as mental health. And then there's also a mental health

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 peace officer. It's kind of a step above the basic class that officers get in the academy

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 or in the extended training if they didn't get it in the academy.

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 training. They don't all get that. Not to that level, anyway.

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 health class that they get. >> Okay. Thank you, sir.

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 >> Yeah. And can I go back just real quick to Mr. Bain's question? We do have an early

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 intervention system. You know, if an officer has so many uses of force within a certain

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 amount of time, that pops up red flags to supervisors to say, hey, you know, this person's

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 had so many uses of force. We need to look at this. The supervisors can look at it and

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 say, okay, yeah, you had so many in this amount of time, but they were all reasonable.

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 Or we can look and say, you know, you've had maybe not-maybe they weren't all the same

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 thing. Maybe it was a use of force. Maybe it was a discouraging complaint and something

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 else. And we kind of put those pieces together as an early warning system to say something's

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 going on within its officer. You know, it may-we may need to look beyond and, you know,

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 maybe something that weren't officer's personal life. Maybe they've gone on some really bad

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 calls, had, you know, several-been on the-had infants die, you know, maybe three infants

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 die in a very short amount of time. You know, so that officer may be dealing with something

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 that we need to look at and maybe bring in peer support to help that officer work through

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 those issues. Okay. And if we have participants with discipline, if you keep getting in trouble,

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 your discipline's going to go up, you know. And again, that doesn't have to be for the

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 same thing. It could be a pattern of, you know, we look at it as a pattern. Is it a

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 pattern of bad decisions? Whether it's use of force or discourtesy or whatever it is,

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 is this a pattern of bad decisions this officer is making? And we need to get to the root

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 of why is this officer making these decisions? Is it training? Is it our policy? Is it something

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 personal with the officer?

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 Thank you so much Deputy Chief for this explanation. I have two questions and then one comment,

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 and so I hope you'll give me some grace as I walk through all those. My comment is that

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 I am incredibly grateful that the department has taken proactive steps to support and understand

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 the needs of those with autism. It is important for me though to just say that I don't really

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 classify autism in the same type of behavioral and mental health category as I feel like

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 Pam's questions were addressing. So autism is a developmental disability that impacts

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 the way that people communicate and interface with the world. It's not really a mental health

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 problem. And so I do think that there are some additional steps that we in the City

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 of Denton can take to address mental health calls that our officers are going out on,

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 but it's really important to me that we make some distinction there. And so I hope you'll

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 forgive me and give me an opportunity to just kind of make that comment as an educational

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 In terms of my questions, and they go to what Mr. Baines was speaking to a little bit, sort

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 of a follow up from that. And it is, are there particular types of calls that our officers

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 may go on that then mandate additional training? So for example, if we have officers that attend,

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 I mean, they're dealing with catastrophe and trauma every day, right? But if we were to

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 have a mass shooting or a mass murder or something like that, are there particular types of incidents

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 or calls that in and of themselves necessitate specific types of training, refresher options

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 or whatnot for our officers?

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 but if we had something like that, a mass shooting, a mass murder, a tragic bus accident

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 with a lot of kids that were injured, our peer support team that we've started, we would

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 engage them so that they could counsel the officers and either decide, you know, maybe

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 certain officers need additional counseling or maybe they do need training, that sort

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 of thing. But it's about the officer wellness in that case is how do we get the officer

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 well so that when they go back out on the street, they can interact appropriately?

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 And then sort of a follow up to the question and the sort of refreshing moment that Officer

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 Green offered us about the table and chart of the hours of training required. I want

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 you to explain it to me like I'm in second grade a little bit, okay? So let's say I have

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 a bachelor's degree and I have been on other police forces before coming to the City of

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 Denton. Let's just say for the sake of this conversation, I was on a police force in a

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 neighboring community for 10 years before joining the Denton police force. Based on

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 that chart, would I be required to do the 700 and some odd hours of basic training and

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 whatever the 400 or 600, whatever it was for my level of experience? Or does it reset when

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 I move to a different municipality? Sorry. Like I said, just treat me like I'm in second

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 grade. I'm sorry. I completely understand the question. If the 716 hours that we do,

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 that is for that state mandated basic training for police officers. If that officer was a

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 police officer in another Texas city, they would have gotten that training already. Okay.

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 So they come to Denton and we make them go through some abbreviated training. You know,

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 how do we do things in Denton? We have a lateral, we call it a lateral academy. It's about six

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 weeks and we send them through that training and we send all of our new, all of the Denton

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 recruits that graduate the 716 hour academy also go through another six weeks of Denton

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 specific training. Okay. And then, so that officer that's in, that was an officer somewhere

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 else for 10 years, they come to us, they go through that six weeks and then they do field

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 training also. Again, that's abbreviated because they already, you know, know the basics of

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 what they're doing. You know, they don't have to learn how to do a traffic stop anymore,

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 but we need to make sure that they're going to do it the way we expect them to do it.

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 They're going to treat people the way we expect them to treat people. So they do ride with

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 a field training officer as a partner, but it's not as long as a basic recruit. That's

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 just learning how to do things. And then the hours that you talk about, does that reset?

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 10 years they were with that other department. Does that make sense?

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 Just extrapolating out, one of the things that I feel like our committee has learned

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 over the past several weeks is sort of the culture that Chief Dixon expects in Denton

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 and how it does already differ from other municipalities, not just in Texas, but for

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 example, like in Minneapolis, which I think, you know, sort of necessitated or began some

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 of this conversation. So are you telling me that that abbreviated training for lateral

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 training is where they're going to get the, this is how the culture and experience and

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 the people of Denton are different than where you were before, including attitudes of citizens

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 and things like that are just, this is how we do a traffic stop as opposed to how they

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 do it in Lubbock or whatnot.

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 And then related to disability, I saw that you do some training on autism, you do some

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 training about working with folks that are hearing and visually impaired for all of the

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 other spectrum of disability. 57 million people in the United States with lots of different

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 kinds of disabilities. Are our officers receiving any training related to any of the other ways

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 you could divide that population in some of these other trainings that they receive?

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 I would have to look at the state website and really look at that training and see how

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 it's broken down. So I can get you that answer.

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 I do think that we are uniquely positioned in Denton with two universities that serve

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 significant populations of disabled students and residents that then maintain their life

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 and employment here after graduation. And so it might be something to investigate. Thank

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 you for your time.

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 I'm going to go to Yancey and then Willie and then Pam. Go ahead, Yancey.

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 Madam Chair, I'll hold my comment until everybody speak. That way I might be able to address

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 everything in once because I got some answers for Janie and Pam regarding the mental health

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 aspect of the training.

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 Okay. Okay. Willie, you got to be off mute, Willie. Hit the button. We can't hear you.

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 Come on, Willie. You had it a minute ago. Can't hear you. Can't hear you. I promise

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 we can't hear you. Let me see if we can do it here.

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 Okay. As I sit here and I'm looking at what we are charged to do, what the city council

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 has asked us to do, develop a report of clear findings, conclusions, and achievable recommendations

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 that promote the use of best practices in the use of force policies and trainings for

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 the Denton Police Department. That's what they've asked us to do. So in my mind, I'm

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 starting to figure out what should that report include? What are we supposed to recommend

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 as a group? So I'm trying to put mine together so when we finally get to this decision part,

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 then I can say, this is what I think is the best practice for the police department to

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 Now, we've been presented with this information about the training. So I've got a question

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 about that. That's an awful lot of hours. And as it was explained, this is not doing

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 working hours. These officers are asked to go through all of this training. I don't think

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00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:58,140
 there's... Well, I was going to say I don't see how they can do it, but that's not my

407
00:44:58,140 --> 00:45:05,500
 call. I'm working on my recommendation in the training area. So the question I have

408
00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:16,540
 about the training is, is there a prioritizing way or do you prioritize which training is

409
00:45:16,540 --> 00:45:22,900
 first? When are the officers able to go out and actually do their jobs, the ones you've

410
00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:32,260
 hired, and be able to do the job and fulfill all these requirements of the training? Who

411
00:45:32,260 --> 00:45:37,220
 determines which course they take first? And then make sure I get all this down like I

412
00:45:37,220 --> 00:45:45,700
 want you to answer it. Is there a priority as to when you take whichever course or when

413
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:52,980
 you get the training? Who determines what that is and when you officer get to go out

414
00:45:52,980 --> 00:46:00,140
 and do the job after you've completed the courses? Or is that a factor? Do you have

415
00:46:00,140 --> 00:46:05,460
 to complete all the courses before you actually can go out and do the work? And the reason

416
00:46:05,460 --> 00:46:11,340
 that this is important to me is I'm going to recommend something about that training.

417
00:46:11,340 --> 00:46:19,780
 Some of those requirements that the chiefs have initiated and what the state mandates

418
00:46:19,780 --> 00:46:26,580
 that I think are excellent and they should be done quickly and that should get more priority

419
00:46:26,580 --> 00:46:31,460
 and that's going to be my recommendation. So I need to know the answers to those questions.

420
00:46:31,460 --> 00:46:42,100
 Thank you. Yes, you want to go now? I can. So what let's you because you're the last

421
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:50,020
 one with the statement and then we'll go back to Deputy Chief Pageant. Okay. The first one

422
00:46:50,020 --> 00:46:57,700
 I guess it was a year towards Pam and Jamie is dealing with the mental health aspect and

423
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:05,980
 the other disabilities and everything. So the officers get 40 hours of crisis intervention

424
00:47:05,980 --> 00:47:12,220
 training in the basic academy. So that's just one aspect of it. So they get a broad spectrum

425
00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:17,780
 of crisis intervention and how to deal with people in crisis, both mental health and with

426
00:47:17,780 --> 00:47:25,940
 disability. I think Jamie asked a question on as far as specialized training or in stuff

427
00:47:25,940 --> 00:47:33,220
 like that. One of the specialized units that we have here at the department would be traffic.

428
00:47:33,220 --> 00:47:38,140
 So if you have a fatal accident or a serious bodily injury accident, the regular patrol

429
00:47:38,140 --> 00:47:42,020
 officer is not going to work those crashes. The traffic unit will because they do have

430
00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:46,980
 the specialized training to go out there and map the scene and try to put the pieces back

431
00:47:46,980 --> 00:47:55,220
 together in order to figure out how the crash occurred or why the crash occurred. And for

432
00:47:55,220 --> 00:48:02,380
 you Mr. Hussbiff as far as prioritizing training, basically most officers once they get done

433
00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:06,540
 with the basic academy, they want to prioritize their training on getting the intermediate

434
00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:13,540
 license. So they'll go through all those intermediate classes first and then start working on advanced

435
00:48:13,540 --> 00:48:17,780
 classes and other specialized training that they're trying to because some people might

436
00:48:17,780 --> 00:48:21,700
 want to be a detective, some people might want to go to traffic and those are different

437
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:27,380
 specialized training. But most of the time when an officer get done with the basic academy,

438
00:48:27,380 --> 00:48:34,580
 him or her and their supervisor sit down with their sit down together to map out when these

439
00:48:34,580 --> 00:48:39,700
 classes occur because not all these classes occur here in Denton. They occur in the Metro

440
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:46,300
 Plex or some are even far off. They'll sit down and look at the schedule and see if they're

441
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:52,380
 able to take off work if the class is held on a work day or if they're able to get their

442
00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:58,460
 time you know elsewhere on attending those classes. So I don't know if that cleared up

443
00:48:58,460 --> 00:49:05,740
 some of the questions that you guys had. But may one for me is who determines which class

444
00:49:05,740 --> 00:49:16,740
 they take? Can I answer that? Yes. The priority of classes is it's a close race between state

445
00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:27,340
 mandates and chief mandates. The state mandates are law and then chief mandates are running

446
00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:33,180
 right there with them. So that's going to be the priority of training and then anything

447
00:49:33,180 --> 00:49:42,240
 past that you know it's the officers can train for you know to get their intermediate or

448
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:46,940
 advanced certificate. They might want to train because they want to become a detective or

449
00:49:46,940 --> 00:49:53,300
 they might want to become a traffic investigator. All of that is selective and that is based

450
00:49:53,300 --> 00:50:03,700
 on the needs of the department, the funds available for training and then you know we want officers

451
00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:11,420
 to self-actualize and to do what they want to do. If they want to be a traffic investigator

452
00:50:11,420 --> 00:50:15,860
 then we want them to become one because if you're doing something you want to do you're

453
00:50:15,860 --> 00:50:22,820
 going to do it better. But we may not have space for a traffic investigator and don't

454
00:50:22,820 --> 00:50:30,300
 foresee having one for a while. So we may not allow an officer to go to reconstruction

455
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:35,140
 school because that does take time out of the regular job. It does cost quite a bit

456
00:50:35,140 --> 00:50:42,660
 of money. So we have to prioritize those things through department needs past the state mandates

457
00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:52,540
 and what chief takes the mandates. Did that answer your question Willie? Yes thank you.

458
00:50:52,540 --> 00:51:14,980
 Camion? Can't hear you. Can you hear me now? Yeah. Okay. I had a couple questions. One

459
00:51:14,980 --> 00:51:26,060
 of them was does the do the officers at the DPD receive any formalized training around

460
00:51:26,060 --> 00:51:35,620
 working with LGBTQ folks? Is it is it coached an implicit bias? Like I'm just wondering

461
00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:46,060
 if there's any specific timing around that? Biases, correlations, those types of courses cover that to some degree.

462
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:51,960
 I wouldn't say that there's a separate and above course that would address only that

463
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:59,580
 community. Is there I'm just I'm just assuming that maybe you and Yancey a few other officers

464
00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:05,100
 on this call might have gone through some of these trainings. Do you remember being

465
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:13,140
 trained on any instances of like maybe a traffic stop or responding to a call with folks that

466
00:52:13,140 --> 00:52:24,100
 identify as being transgendered? Yancey's shaking their head yes. Yancey can you answer that?

467
00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:30,120
 This part of the implicit bias training but also during the academy we do what's called

468
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,900
 practical so basically you learn the book work and then we go out and do hands-on activities

469
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:40,140
 and like a scenario based type training and we do have actors that act like that on so

470
00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:46,060
 for the recruits before they graduate the academy they do have some experience or exposure

471
00:52:46,060 --> 00:52:53,140
 I should say to that type of culture or whatever but it is touched on in the implicit bias

472
00:52:53,140 --> 00:52:59,780
 courses. Okay I appreciate hearing that. I just think it could be something important

473
00:52:59,780 --> 00:53:07,500
 that should be added just not just around transgender folks the entire spectrum of LGBT

474
00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:14,180
 folks but in the incident that someone gives you their name and they present differently

475
00:53:14,180 --> 00:53:19,180
 than their driver's license like that's very common and so I think officers should be trained

476
00:53:19,180 --> 00:53:25,180
 around the fact that that's like something that happens with that community. The other

477
00:53:25,180 --> 00:53:30,520
 question I had is that I'm very glad to see that every officer is getting some training

478
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:35,540
 around domestic violence. Having been a survivor of relationship violence myself I'm glad to

479
00:53:35,540 --> 00:53:42,460
 know that. I was wondering if there's training specific to what I would call relationship

480
00:53:42,460 --> 00:53:51,300
 violence or violence that's not necessarily just with heterosexual couples if that makes

481
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:56,380
 sense like how to recognize that if you're called out to an incident where there are

482
00:53:56,380 --> 00:54:02,700
 same gender couple and recognizing it as domestic domestic violence possibly it could get overlooked

483
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:06,940
 so I was just wondering if that is a part of that training or if additional training

484
00:54:06,940 --> 00:54:13,900
 might be needed for that. I will say and we've gone through a lot of training in the last

485
00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:20,100
 two years so forgive me if I forget that we may have some training out there but part of

486
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:29,020
 that IACP grant that we received we did have some training specific to LGBTQ+ and we had

487
00:54:29,020 --> 00:54:36,780
 a sheriff's deputy for Cleveland County Ohio or Clark County Ohio I'm sorry she's part

488
00:54:36,780 --> 00:54:41,900
 of the community and a police officer and and she provided that training it was excellent

489
00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:49,300
 and there was some other additional training put on by IACP for that and what what training

490
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:56,580
 is out there that you know of that we could implement? I don't know that I do know of

491
00:54:56,580 --> 00:55:00,980
 a training that you could implement but I know that those individuals exist in our community

492
00:55:00,980 --> 00:55:10,980
 and that there may be things out there that aren't necessarily police specific but you

493
00:55:10,980 --> 00:55:17,140
 know could you know it could be for anybody interacting with that you know with the community

494
00:55:17,140 --> 00:55:25,300
 so it doesn't have to be specifically for police officers to be good training for us.

495
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:30,700
 Yeah I agree with that and then I think my last question I guess some of us are still

496
00:55:30,700 --> 00:55:35,740
 kind of wondering around like how often officers are getting these trainings it sounds like

497
00:55:35,740 --> 00:55:42,900
 there's a lot of training hours that people have to go through but from what I could tell

498
00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:51,200
 from the diagram that you had up there's a there's a good amount of diversity trainings

499
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,300
 at the beginning during the academy and then some additional that aren't required by the

500
00:55:55,300 --> 00:56:05,500
 state are those slots of trainings required to be done more than once ever or do they

501
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:12,100
 get implicit bias training every two years once a year every six months every five years

502
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:17,780
 you know like are those trainings repeated or is it only repeated if the state mandates

503
00:56:17,780 --> 00:56:23,140
 an update and do they get the whole training in or just the updated portion. I know that's

504
00:56:23,140 --> 00:56:29,300
 a lot of questions but I was confused about that. No the the state mandated updates it's

505
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:36,620
 whatever you know the state is mandating for that two-year cycle so it may include updates

506
00:56:36,620 --> 00:56:41,940
 to those previous you know diversity trainings it may be something completely different you

507
00:56:41,940 --> 00:56:49,180
 know so that's where the training that the chief directs comes in in getting us updated

508
00:56:49,180 --> 00:57:02,020
 trainings for those specific topics. Bo is next. I'm looking here at this use of force

509
00:57:02,020 --> 00:57:10,420
 and taser reports that Mr. Cronin gave us from 2015 to 2020 and you know thinking about

510
00:57:10,420 --> 00:57:16,200
 the interplay between discipline training based on each case and it looks like where

511
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:22,660
 there's follow-up training recommended in some of these various cases there's it's

512
00:57:22,660 --> 00:57:27,740
 there's a number of them there's taser training one of them was emotional survival for law

513
00:57:27,740 --> 00:57:34,780
 enforcement training another one was de-escalation I think there was a couple of de-escalation

514
00:57:34,780 --> 00:57:43,080
 training some are still pending and so I'm just wondering number one if if there's a

515
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:48,840
 use of force situation that is deemed inappropriate in the complaint and sustain and it leads

516
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:56,140
 to training are these just sort of going back to the same trainings they already had on

517
00:57:56,140 --> 00:58:02,180
 de-escalation or is it you've had that training and it didn't settle in and so specifically

518
00:58:02,180 --> 00:58:07,400
 we're gonna have another kind of training or a more focused de-escalation training or

519
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:14,140
 taser training and then number two just I think for the committee and for we'd love

520
00:58:14,140 --> 00:58:19,700
 to hear from you just sort of man in terms of use of force situations where are the gaps

521
00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:28,740
 in training that you perceive that need to be revisited does that make sense what I'm

522
00:58:28,740 --> 00:58:34,480
 asking yes and the gaps Dr. Williams will talk about a gap analysis that he did and

523
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:41,260
 how he came up with our comprehensive training plan but as far as discipline and the training

524
00:58:41,260 --> 00:58:50,580
 attached to discipline that's case it's case by case because it may be that you know the

525
00:58:50,580 --> 00:58:58,840
 officer used the tool completely wrong so he needs the training on how to use that tool

526
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:05,740
 the taser so to speak or for an example how to use that taser correctly or the training

527
00:59:05,740 --> 00:59:15,820
 may be the officer escalated the situation and that led to the use of the taser so that

528
00:59:15,820 --> 00:59:23,300
 officer she needs to go back through de-escalation training so a say a policy violation or use

529
00:59:23,300 --> 00:59:31,140
 of force that we deem needs training while it may involve the taser it may not involve

530
00:59:31,140 --> 00:59:37,020
 the same aspect of what went wrong in that case it could be they used the equipment wrong

531
00:59:37,020 --> 00:59:45,460
 or they escalated the situation or you know something like that so the training connected

532
00:59:45,460 --> 00:59:56,300
 to the discipline of use of force complaints that's been sustained is case by case individualized

533
00:59:56,300 --> 01:00:01,700
 for the person based on the incident is that what you're saying yes it's not the general

534
01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:05,180
 training that you go through in the academy or even in the you know further follow-up

535
01:00:05,180 --> 01:00:13,820
 trainings no it'll be individualized for that person what what did we deem in that instance

536
01:00:13,820 --> 01:00:21,580
 what was deficient and we need to fix the deficiency so if the use of the taser you

537
01:00:21,580 --> 01:00:28,060
 know the equipment the equipment was used correctly as far as physically you know according

538
01:00:28,060 --> 01:00:33,780
 to the way you're supposed to use the equipment then we're not going to send we I mean we

539
01:00:33,780 --> 01:00:39,940
 may but we may not send that person back through the taser training how to use the equipment

540
01:00:39,940 --> 01:00:46,280
 we'll send them through training that teaches them when and why to use the equipment so

541
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,060
 like on this first one that says citizen led officers on a 20-minute high-speed vehicle

542
01:00:50,060 --> 01:00:54,240
 pursuit before tire deflation and crash officer deployed taser but at the time citizen was

543
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,980
 only passively resisting that's not a taser how to work it issue that's a that's a how

544
01:00:59,980 --> 01:01:06,180
 and why do you deploy issue okay but that still fits under taser as opposed to de-escalation

545
01:01:06,180 --> 01:01:13,940
 or something else in terms of the training needed I mean it said that they could be both

546
01:01:13,940 --> 01:01:19,940
 but yeah it would fall under the taser training as into you know how and why are we supposed

547
01:01:19,940 --> 01:01:27,140
 to use that tool okay you know if the officer didn't you know and by de-escalation training

548
01:01:27,140 --> 01:01:33,700
 you know maybe that officer went kind of escalated the situation themselves their actions escalated

549
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:37,940
 the the need for the taser that's when you would go through the de-escalation training

550
01:01:37,940 --> 01:01:46,340
 but the you know but yeah in that case it's how and when to use the equipment what's appropriate

551
01:01:46,340 --> 01:01:50,860
 okay one more question it's really helpful to know that it's it's a specific sort of

552
01:01:50,860 --> 01:01:56,340
 personalized training the one that was emotional survival for law enforcement and maybe we'll

553
01:01:56,340 --> 01:02:01,940
 talk about it later but where the officer responded in a way unbecoming of an officer

554
01:02:01,940 --> 01:02:07,780
 it says here can you give us a sense because I think those are the sort of cases that are

555
01:02:07,780 --> 01:02:17,620
 concerning in use of force cases where yeah it's unbecoming an officer it's wrong clearly

556
01:02:17,620 --> 01:02:23,780
 what would that training entail if it was personalized for an officer that acted in

557
01:02:23,780 --> 01:02:31,380
 a completely inappropriate way such that it was you know a suspension but then emotional

558
01:02:31,380 --> 01:02:36,300
 survival for law enforcement is that am I supposed to hear that as what you were saying

559
01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:40,340
 earlier about man there's just high stress levels going on in the officer and they need

560
01:02:40,340 --> 01:02:46,300
 to get themselves right that's exactly what that's about okay because I think that's the

561
01:02:46,300 --> 01:02:52,700
 I think somebody brought it up earlier maybe it was Mr. Baines about and if that stuff

562
01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:56,420
 sort of builds you know how do we know the training's effective for something like that

563
01:02:56,420 --> 01:03:02,940
 so that it doesn't just happen again I think that's I know it's somewhat subjective but

564
01:03:02,940 --> 01:03:06,520
 I'm just trying to draw out what is happening in these trainings that are personalized based

565
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:15,380
 on objective incidents you know right now that's in that instance you know it was something

566
01:03:15,380 --> 01:03:21,020
 that we saw with the officer that they they need to they need to they need training on

567
01:03:21,020 --> 01:03:36,740
 how to relieve stress from themselves okay Willie can you turn your phone on mute yes

568
01:03:36,740 --> 01:03:46,540
 I will thank you hang on Gary did you have your hand up okay Donna and then John

569
01:03:46,540 --> 01:03:55,060
 I just wanted to know do you have a scale to measure the effectiveness of these trainings

570
01:03:55,060 --> 01:04:01,100
 because again as cameo on address there are several trainings so is there any way for

571
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:09,580
 us to see how effective these trainings really are I'm sure there's studies out there that

572
01:04:09,580 --> 01:04:20,340
 you know we'll show different results on trainings internally you know we'll base it on does this

573
01:04:20,340 --> 01:04:25,900
 person have the same problem again does this officer have you know recurring problems that's

574
01:04:25,900 --> 01:04:31,020
 the basis of the effectiveness does that person respond to the you know we do the training

575
01:04:31,020 --> 01:04:35,940
 and we ask the instructors how did that person respond to the training well they didn't respond

576
01:04:35,940 --> 01:04:40,300
 very well they kind of blew it off might be the response and then and then our response

577
01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:46,040
 has to be something different or you know he really that officer came around and responded

578
01:04:46,040 --> 01:05:01,460
 well and I think they're good to go now thank you okay John Chief Padgett I want to thank

579
01:05:01,460 --> 01:05:07,240
 you again for taking the time to to patiently answer all of our questions I have a couple

580
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:15,260
 of examples I'm going to lay out and then I'll ask my question I have some friends and

581
01:05:15,260 --> 01:05:23,460
 clients who are who are firemen and they tell me about suffering from PTSD because they've

582
01:05:23,460 --> 01:05:31,140
 seen things like accidents where people are picked up in pieces or they have to use the

583
01:05:31,140 --> 01:05:42,980
 jaws of life to get people out of vehicles and accidents so that's and then you've got

584
01:05:42,980 --> 01:05:49,940
 police officers were friends who had to deal with a very difficult criminal element drug

585
01:05:49,940 --> 01:05:58,420
 dealers murder investigations and things like that and you know most of us citizens can't

586
01:05:58,420 --> 01:06:05,940
 imagine the trauma that these officers are having to deal with and so I would think after

587
01:06:05,940 --> 01:06:14,380
 a while if you're dealing with some very severe elements you become cynical and a little bit

588
01:06:14,380 --> 01:06:21,540
 insensitive so when you have officers that are in these kind of situations that have

589
01:06:21,540 --> 01:06:25,940
 been in these situations what do you what kind of training do you offer to make sure

590
01:06:25,940 --> 01:06:31,580
 that they they remain whole wholesome and not nonsensical I don't know if that's too

591
01:06:31,580 --> 01:06:36,740
 complex a question to ask but I think you get the drift of what I'm asking you know

592
01:06:36,740 --> 01:06:44,620
 the biggest thing that we offer offer is our peer support you know and the the counseling

593
01:06:44,620 --> 01:06:51,660
 and being able to talk through those things that are creating stress you know those things

594
01:06:51,660 --> 01:06:56,900
 get bottled up you go to call after call after call and you know the people that you give

595
01:06:56,900 --> 01:07:05,100
 CPR to don't survive and and the baby is is is hurt and you see those things over and

596
01:07:05,100 --> 01:07:10,060
 over again in the ANSI you know going to the crashes and fatality crashes over and over

597
01:07:10,060 --> 01:07:17,340
 again that builds up and if you don't have a pressure release valve somewhere then it

598
01:07:17,340 --> 01:07:22,300
 may spill over you know unfortunately for a lot of officers it spills over at home and

599
01:07:22,300 --> 01:07:30,580
 ends up in divorce and that sort of thing but our biggest not really training but our

600
01:07:30,580 --> 01:07:36,500
 biggest outlet for that is peer support where we can get to those officers and you know

601
01:07:36,500 --> 01:07:42,740
 if we have a fatality crash we're going to offer peer support to those crash investigators

602
01:07:42,740 --> 01:07:46,860
 so that they can talk through it because if you can talk through things then they don't

603
01:07:46,860 --> 01:07:55,020
 build up as much and and for example you know when you're dealing with the criminal element

604
01:07:55,020 --> 01:08:00,220
 of the more unsavory the element I think you become rather cynical at least this is my

605
01:08:00,220 --> 01:08:04,840
 assumption I don't live in that world but I can only imagine you can become a little

606
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:12,940
 callous and a little insensitive so how do you address that you can and I think you know

607
01:08:12,940 --> 01:08:16,960
 I addressed I addressed that when I teach the academy I addressed that by reminding

608
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:24,620
 officers you are citizens so and your spouses are citizens your kids are citizens your mom

609
01:08:24,620 --> 01:08:31,540
 how would you feel if your spouse got pulled over and was treated in this certain way how

610
01:08:31,540 --> 01:08:37,660
 would you feel if your mom was pulled over and treated in this certain way you know and

611
01:08:37,660 --> 01:08:43,540
 remind them that that when you put the badge on you're not somebody different you're still

612
01:08:43,540 --> 01:08:52,440
 part of the community you're still a citizen so treat people the way you want to be treated

613
01:08:52,440 --> 01:08:59,300
 you know we have to remember yeah we deal with you know the worst of the worst but can

614
01:08:59,300 --> 01:09:07,060
 can we treat the worst of the worst still like a person yes we can and yes we should

615
01:09:07,060 --> 01:09:12,780
 you know and that's what we have to that's what we have to do is it doesn't matter what

616
01:09:12,780 --> 01:09:18,100
 crime has been committed we still need to treat that person with dignity and respect

617
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:23,380
 and that starts in training and it should go up through you know every supervisor should

618
01:09:23,380 --> 01:09:27,660
 be watching their people for that every field training officer you know the field training

619
01:09:27,660 --> 01:09:32,100
 officer is the first supervisor we have in the police department and they should be watching

620
01:09:32,100 --> 01:09:36,740
 their trainings and watching each other and making sure that we treat everybody with dignity

621
01:09:36,740 --> 01:09:51,740
 and respect thank you very much cameo yeah i have a follow-up question to mr bain's question

622
01:09:51,740 --> 01:10:01,380
 i'm a social worker so from i don't want to say day one but pretty early on in our educational

623
01:10:01,380 --> 01:10:06,420
 careers they're talking to us about self-care because the nature of our work is dealing

624
01:10:06,420 --> 01:10:11,260
 with other people's trauma often helping them through part usually the worst times of their

625
01:10:11,260 --> 01:10:16,340
 lives when they actually need support and it sounds like those are similar things with

626
01:10:16,340 --> 01:10:22,860
 the profession that you have so i'm just wondering if it sounds a little hippie dippy but if

627
01:10:22,860 --> 01:10:29,660
 officers are taught anything about like ways and mechanisms in which to take care of themselves

628
01:10:29,660 --> 01:10:34,860
 to help deal with the trauma that they're engaging in every day and that's question

629
01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:41,280
 number one question number two is around the peer support group and counseling i hear that

630
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:48,900
 that's offered i'm very glad that that's offered to officers i'm wondering if it's optional

631
01:10:48,900 --> 01:10:56,400
 or if it's mandatory sometimes for folks to receive that after a certain level of incident

632
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:02,820
 just wondering how those folks are being supported through those kinds of traumas i'll i'll let

633
01:11:02,820 --> 01:11:12,900
 chief dixon answer that question so i know that you all have heard of peer support team

634
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:16,420
 a couple of different times and and maybe this will give you a better point of reference

635
01:11:16,420 --> 01:11:21,460
 for it we just restarted that team about a year ago just a little bit over a year ago

636
01:11:21,460 --> 01:11:27,580
 probably 13 months now and what they do is if we have we had a fatality crash on the

637
01:11:27,580 --> 01:11:33,020
 interstate where someone was trapped in their car and our officers had to watch them burn

638
01:11:33,020 --> 01:11:40,420
 to death so we make it mandatory after calls like that for them to go to a critical incident

639
01:11:40,420 --> 01:11:47,380
 debrief because that one called there's something about that call it may not have been the actual

640
01:11:47,380 --> 01:11:51,860
 act of what they saw it may may have been a site it may have been a scent it may have

641
01:11:51,860 --> 01:11:56,860
 been something that could be the tipping point for them because they have just left a call

642
01:11:56,860 --> 01:12:05,940
 where a six-year-old had been subjected to violence or sexual assault or domestic and

643
01:12:05,940 --> 01:12:11,820
 now they're going to that horrific crash so yes we make those mandatory debriefings we

644
01:12:11,820 --> 01:12:16,700
 call in and in fact in that case and at least one other that i can think of we called in

645
01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:22,220
 extra support from sam houston state university for them to bring uh peer support counselors

646
01:12:22,220 --> 01:12:28,060
 up and we had upwards of 40 people going through these critical incident debriefs in their

647
01:12:28,060 --> 01:12:34,540
 mandatory and then we opened up for them to have optional follow-up counseling or sessions

648
01:12:34,540 --> 01:12:40,300
 that they needed after that because what i don't want is for us to lose someone because

649
01:12:40,300 --> 01:12:45,100
 we didn't take care of them so we're taking it very seriously and when you hear peer support

650
01:12:45,100 --> 01:12:50,340
 it's kind of a a canned term that's thrown around but i can tell you since we started

651
01:12:50,340 --> 01:12:54,980
 in the 13 months that we've had it here they've been called to other jurisdictions in north

652
01:12:54,980 --> 01:13:01,340
 texas up into the panhandle to help other agencies that really haven't come to the point

653
01:13:01,340 --> 01:13:07,380
 of embracing exactly what you're talking about camion how do we get past that stigma of if

654
01:13:07,380 --> 01:13:12,900
 you speak out that something's affecting you that you're weak and i think by and large

655
01:13:12,900 --> 01:13:17,900
 our profession has come a long way we still have a ways to go in in fighting that stigma

656
01:13:17,900 --> 01:13:23,500
 but i think we're a lot better off now than we were before is there peer support for folks

657
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:29,220
 that haven't gone through a critical incident so like for instance i'm hearing okay good

658
01:13:29,220 --> 01:13:36,260
 i'm just i'm hearing like domestic violence child abuse uh who knows what all in the same

659
01:13:36,260 --> 01:13:41,820
 day and then you have tomorrow so i'm just wondering if there's like optional support

660
01:13:41,820 --> 01:13:47,460
 that they can tap into even if that level is a lot absolutely we have several volunteers

661
01:13:47,460 --> 01:13:51,780
 stood out the department i have a sergeant and a detective that headed up and they get

662
01:13:51,780 --> 01:13:58,740
 contacted on things that are even outside of work they're just an open avenue for employees

663
01:13:58,740 --> 01:14:05,020
 to go to sworn or civilian to help them if they can direct them to other resources if

664
01:14:05,020 --> 01:14:09,300
 they can talk them through it themselves if they can connect them to other you know other

665
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:13,940
 things then that's exactly what i want them doing and i intentionally stay out of that

666
01:14:13,940 --> 01:14:19,260
 information loop because that is a huge detractor when you have people that are reaching out

667
01:14:19,260 --> 01:14:24,140
 for help if they think the chief is going to find out that uh you know yancey's having

668
01:14:24,140 --> 01:14:28,740
 a problem over a call that he took if yancey's afraid that i'm going to step in and take

669
01:14:28,740 --> 01:14:34,260
 him off the street he's not going to talk so i they have very clear direction for me

670
01:14:34,260 --> 01:14:37,620
 i don't want to know who you're talking to unless there's a public safety reason that

671
01:14:37,620 --> 01:14:43,100
 i need to know if we have to intervene to protect yancey from himself or protect other

672
01:14:43,100 --> 01:15:01,420
 people from him then i'll step in he for alumnus in wine my name is situations so if i am on

673
01:15:01,420 --> 01:15:09,940
 that list that mr he was referring to earlier where we were disciplining me for some action

674
01:15:09,940 --> 01:15:18,100
 or inappropriate activity are are these peer support resources mandated at that time as

675
01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:25,740
 well potentially you're making me go to a training about why i used my t-shirt and i'm

676
01:15:25,740 --> 01:15:37,460
 required can you guys hear me i'm sorry my internet went a little crazy yeah also also

677
01:15:37,460 --> 01:15:45,420
 requiring me to seek out this peer support group is it you is it a two to a dual situation

678
01:15:45,420 --> 01:15:50,260
 that's happening so actually on top of the training i don't even send people to peer

679
01:15:50,260 --> 01:15:53,900
 support if i think you're having problems like that i'm going to mandate that you go

680
01:15:53,900 --> 01:16:03,700
 see a physician before we bring you back to work and then in terms of additional resources

681
01:16:03,700 --> 01:16:12,420
 for your support group or for these other types of really important self-care and counseling

682
01:16:12,420 --> 01:16:19,620
 resources is that something that you would wish or desire for additional support about

683
01:16:19,620 --> 01:16:24,460
 and can you tell me a little bit about that if so well they're constantly networking just

684
01:16:24,460 --> 01:16:28,520
 in the 13 months they've been in existence they've grown a great network in north texas

685
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:33,660
 and beyond of resources where they can direct people to in fact we were just talking to

686
01:16:33,660 --> 01:16:38,900
 two weeks ago about two other resources they're bringing online so there's nothing that we

687
01:16:38,900 --> 01:16:43,940
 need to help them do that it's just really getting out of their way and giving them the

688
01:16:43,940 --> 01:16:55,580
 ability to go out and do it they do a wonderful job at it thank you chief dixon and i guess

689
01:16:55,580 --> 01:17:00,660
 we'll go to the next presentation you have yes dr richard williams who's our accreditation

690
01:17:00,660 --> 01:17:06,580
 and compliance specialist he would like to take a five-minute break before he comes up

691
01:17:06,580 --> 01:17:10,820
 before he speaks i want to touch on one very important point that we hadn't talked about

692
01:17:10,820 --> 01:17:19,900
 yet if if we put all of our officers 195 officers through one 40-hour course so that's the mental

693
01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:24,700
 health peace officer course that takes 40 hours if i make it mandatory for the entire

694
01:17:24,700 --> 01:17:31,100
 department to go through that that's the equivalent of three and a half years of a police officer

695
01:17:31,100 --> 01:17:37,260
 being off the street and that's one 40-hour course that's just to put it in perspective

696
01:17:37,260 --> 01:17:43,780
 how much goes into getting officers training and prioritizing it because it's not as simple

697
01:17:43,780 --> 01:17:48,940
 as saying i want you all to go take this 40-hour course we are taking a significant amount

698
01:17:48,940 --> 01:17:54,540
 of resources off the street which we then have to replace and backfill but we also have

699
01:17:54,540 --> 01:17:59,660
 to plan out how long is it going to take us to be able to do that so i just want to set

700
01:17:59,660 --> 01:18:03,540
 kind of set the stage for when you're talking about this comprehensive training plan why

701
01:18:03,540 --> 01:18:17,660
 it's so important that for me that we start moving in that direction okay thank you chief

702
01:18:17,660 --> 01:18:22,500
 and we're we're going to take a five-minute break hopefully we'll find willy and see if

703
01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:34,860
 he can turn on willie you are signed on the two devices and we need you on the screen

704
01:18:34,860 --> 01:18:39,540
 so madam chair we're gonna we're gonna sign off for just a few minutes and you can stay

705
01:18:39,540 --> 01:18:45,660
 on okay all right thanks all right what did you uh need me to do uh we need to see your

706
01:18:45,660 --> 01:19:07,980
 face sir that's not a pleasant thought well it is what it is okay

707
01:19:07,980 --> 01:19:14,180
 okay we are back from our five-minute break from uh we are back on the use of force ad-hoc

708
01:19:14,180 --> 01:19:21,260
 committee meeting and we are going to go into the presentation from dr williams and i will

709
01:19:21,260 --> 01:19:27,100
 turn it over to you well good evening everybody and i and i'm happy to be here with you again

710
01:19:27,100 --> 01:19:31,140
 uh i really appreciate what you guys are doing this is a very important conversation that

711
01:19:31,140 --> 01:19:36,740
 we're having uh just a just a little order of what i'm gonna what i intend to accomplish

712
01:19:36,740 --> 01:19:40,300
 is i'm going to talk about the training plan and the training needs assessment how we put

713
01:19:40,300 --> 01:19:44,500
 together the training plan then i'll talk about accreditation and accreditation process

714
01:19:44,500 --> 01:19:47,980
 and during those two presentations i'll try to fill in some gaps i wrote some notes for

715
01:19:47,980 --> 01:19:51,700
 some of the questions that you asked previously and i'll try to fill in some gaps if that

716
01:19:51,700 --> 01:19:56,060
 if that's okay if you have a question you'll feel free to stop me and ask your question

717
01:19:56,060 --> 01:19:59,820
 and and i will answer all right any questions before i get started

718
01:19:59,820 --> 01:20:08,820
 all right very good so the the training plan so to so one of the one of the first charges

719
01:20:08,820 --> 01:20:11,700
 that the chief gave me when i got here was to work with the training division to put

720
01:20:11,700 --> 01:20:17,060
 together a comprehensive training plan and so we put together the first comprehensive

721
01:20:17,060 --> 01:20:21,660
 training plan for the den police department and so before we put together that training

722
01:20:21,660 --> 01:20:28,700
 plan we did a gap analysis and a training needs assessment and we employed a mixed methodology

723
01:20:28,700 --> 01:20:36,060
 to do that collecting both quantitative data and qualitative data uh and so how we went

724
01:20:36,060 --> 01:20:40,900
 about doing that is we conducted at least 15 focus groups with every work group within

725
01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:45,260
 the police department and then we conducted at least one focus group with community members

726
01:20:45,260 --> 01:20:49,980
 and we got community members to come in and give their their input regarding what they

727
01:20:49,980 --> 01:20:53,980
 thought didn't pd's training needs are and then we looked at what were the statutory

728
01:20:53,980 --> 01:21:00,140
 requirements for training what training was required by by t code or crediting body for

729
01:21:00,140 --> 01:21:05,220
 uh police officer licensing what training was required by uh the den police department

730
01:21:05,220 --> 01:21:10,140
 the chief through our policies as many of our training is is required through our policies

731
01:21:10,140 --> 01:21:15,940
 what training is required through tpca out the the accredited the accreditation uh body

732
01:21:15,940 --> 01:21:21,860
 that we're participating in and then we looked at we asked officers about what training they

733
01:21:21,860 --> 01:21:26,340
 desire not only the training we look at not only training they need and they're required

734
01:21:26,340 --> 01:21:30,260
 to have but what training would they like to have to help improve their skill set as

735
01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:37,540
 police officers so we put that so that was the the qualitative uh data collection and

736
01:21:37,540 --> 01:21:44,740
 then we sent out every person within the police department both non and sworn a survey a survey

737
01:21:44,740 --> 01:21:49,100
 of what what they thought about our training current training whether or not they thought

738
01:21:49,100 --> 01:21:54,020
 that their training needs were being met what training did they think would help improve

739
01:21:54,020 --> 01:21:59,940
 their job performance uh and and to make suggestions regarding additional training that they would

740
01:21:59,940 --> 01:22:04,500
 like to have and so we color we pulled all of that data and we put it into a comprehensive

741
01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:09,820
 training plan that covered every area of the of the department and let me back up not only

742
01:22:09,820 --> 01:22:15,380
 did we do a focus group with the community but we did also a focus group with the criminal

743
01:22:15,380 --> 01:22:22,300
 justice system as well the da's office participated the judge participated uh and so we had several

744
01:22:22,300 --> 01:22:28,700
 people the city attorney participated so we had various people that participated in uh

745
01:22:28,700 --> 01:22:34,820
 this focus group so that we could get so we can collect some good rich diverse data about

746
01:22:34,820 --> 01:22:39,220
 where we thought our training was and where we thought we needed to go with our training

747
01:22:39,220 --> 01:22:44,340
 and so that yielded our annual training plan which is a very robust training plan that

748
01:22:44,340 --> 01:22:52,020
 that affects recruit training it affects supervisor training it affects officer training it requires

749
01:22:52,020 --> 01:23:01,300
 in-service training it affects non-sworn training sworn training uh and so to to to wrap it

750
01:23:01,300 --> 01:23:08,720
 in in in a nice little ball the chief has said on numerous times that training is becoming

751
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:17,140
 a way of life for the den police department and that's evident in the our first ever training

752
01:23:17,140 --> 01:23:23,780
 plan any questions about the training plan

753
01:23:23,780 --> 01:23:35,940
 all right so we're going to have a question please sure sure mr bang's uh dr williams

754
01:23:35,940 --> 01:23:44,420
 uh uh having not not to be disparaging or to speak ill of anyone of the past i simply

755
01:23:44,420 --> 01:23:53,460
 want to know uh why there was never a training plan here before and and why do we see i can

756
01:23:53,460 --> 01:23:57,540
 envision the need for it but talk talk to us about the genesis of this how do we come

757
01:23:57,540 --> 01:24:02,980
 to this conclusion that a training plan is necessary and how is that different from what

758
01:24:02,980 --> 01:24:09,580
 we've done previously so i can't really speak to the past but i can't speak to the present

759
01:24:09,580 --> 01:24:15,580
 one of the things chief dixon requested is that we that we look at putting together

760
01:24:15,580 --> 01:24:20,260
 training and we identify what our training needs were and that's why we did the gap analysis

761
01:24:20,260 --> 01:24:24,980
 and the training needs assessment and that's why we met with every work group within the

762
01:24:24,980 --> 01:24:29,460
 department and the outside entities and the community members so that they could help

763
01:24:29,460 --> 01:24:35,020
 us identify where our training gaps were and where our where they thought our training

764
01:24:35,020 --> 01:24:41,220
 needs were and so that's that formed the genesis of the training uh remember i guess a couple

765
01:24:41,220 --> 01:24:47,020
 weeks ago chief dixon mentioned the perf report and the perf report made several recommendations

766
01:24:47,020 --> 01:24:54,700
 regarding needs of the department and a lot of that required training uh then we had again

767
01:24:54,700 --> 01:24:59,540
 we had the the t code requirements where the state requirements state laws change every

768
01:24:59,540 --> 01:25:03,780
 year so we had to identify what's current what are the current state requirements what

769
01:25:03,780 --> 01:25:07,500
 are the current statutory requirements for training and so all of those things helped

770
01:25:07,500 --> 01:25:13,220
 inform this training plan now why there did a training plan did not exist prior to that

771
01:25:13,220 --> 01:25:19,900
 that's not a question that that i can answer uh but i do know the the genesis of the training

772
01:25:19,900 --> 01:25:26,940
 plan that we put together well and kind of as a follow-up um how does denton differ from

773
01:25:26,940 --> 01:25:32,020
 other departments is this something new that that is kind of a that departments are now

774
01:25:32,020 --> 01:25:36,460
 doing that they haven't done previously or is this just we're just kind of catching up

775
01:25:36,460 --> 01:25:40,820
 to where some of the other departments are presently so i think it's a little bit of

776
01:25:40,820 --> 01:25:47,900
 both so just during our first meeting i gave a little bit of my background during my back

777
01:25:47,900 --> 01:25:56,100
 you know in my career i spent 25 years as a police officer and i experienced uh voluntary

778
01:25:56,100 --> 01:26:01,960
 accreditation processes and i experienced uh compelled accreditation process i call it

779
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:05,900
 through a federal consent decree and one of the things that they require was that we put

780
01:26:05,900 --> 01:26:11,060
 together a comprehensive training plan now prior to that i will admit that we had never

781
01:26:11,060 --> 01:26:16,260
 put together a comprehensive training plan uh for my previous agency in new orleans

782
01:26:16,260 --> 01:26:20,300
 prior to being required to do it or compelled to do it by the federal consent decree so

783
01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:26,700
 to answer your question a little bit uh i'm not sure if it was a practice in other agencies

784
01:26:26,700 --> 01:26:31,500
 but i know in my experience it was not a practice in my agency and when i got to denton it had

785
01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:37,260
 not been a practice in denton but i can't i can't i can't speak to uh the law enforcement

786
01:26:37,260 --> 01:26:51,340
 profession in general thank you any other questions

787
01:26:51,340 --> 01:26:52,780
 about the training plan

788
01:26:52,780 --> 01:26:59,500
 all right so i'll move into accreditation and accredited and that's a good segue into

789
01:26:59,500 --> 01:27:06,580
 accreditation so mr baines i can't speak to uh whether or not other agencies had training

790
01:27:06,580 --> 01:27:13,300
 plans but as it relates to accreditation uh we actually what is accreditation accreditation

791
01:27:13,300 --> 01:27:17,900
 when you get a third a third party that comes in and vouches and verifies and vouches that

792
01:27:17,900 --> 01:27:24,420
 your agency is uh is compliant with certain best certain industry best practices in in

793
01:27:24,420 --> 01:27:31,500
 our industry that's law enforcement and agencies across the country in the 80s and 90s uh decided

794
01:27:31,500 --> 01:27:35,940
 that they wanted to improve the standards for law enforcement in the 80s and 90s that

795
01:27:35,940 --> 01:27:40,900
 you know some of the things that were going on in the 80s and 90s that prompted that prompted

796
01:27:40,900 --> 01:27:46,700
 those agencies to want to uh employ standards for their agencies so you had agencies that

797
01:27:46,700 --> 01:27:51,140
 were seeking accreditation through what is called the uh commission on accreditation

798
01:27:51,140 --> 01:27:56,140
 for law enforcement and that was put together by the the international association of chiefs

799
01:27:56,140 --> 01:27:59,980
 of police the national associate the national sheriff's association and also the national

800
01:27:59,980 --> 01:28:05,740
 black organization of law enforcement executives but here in texas texas did something a little

801
01:28:05,740 --> 01:28:11,820
 different texas decided that they wanted to prescribe training specific to texas they

802
01:28:11,820 --> 01:28:16,660
 wanted to identify the the needs the training needs for texas so the police chiefs here

803
01:28:16,660 --> 01:28:23,780
 in texas got together at as a as a part of the texas police chiefs association and they

804
01:28:23,780 --> 01:28:30,140
 identified 12 critical areas for law enforcement that's in that information that you received

805
01:28:30,140 --> 01:28:36,060
 they identified those 12 critical areas for law enforcement that impact police liability

806
01:28:36,060 --> 01:28:39,900
 but that could result in police liability and one of those and as it relates to use

807
01:28:39,900 --> 01:28:47,980
 of force one of those major areas is use of force

808
01:28:47,980 --> 01:28:53,380
 so those critical areas include the use of force emergency vehicle operations and pursuits

809
01:28:53,380 --> 01:28:59,220
 search seizure and arrest those fourth amendment rights care custody and restraint of prisoners

810
01:28:59,220 --> 01:29:04,980
 domestic violence and agency employee misconduct off-duty conduct not just what they did at

811
01:29:04,980 --> 01:29:09,700
 work but what they're doing away from work that reflects on the police department selection

812
01:29:09,700 --> 01:29:15,300
 and hiring those personnel issues selection and hiring and sexual harassment complaint

813
01:29:15,300 --> 01:29:18,740
 and internal affairs management which you heard a lot about the past few weeks from

814
01:29:18,740 --> 01:29:25,340
 chief smith narcotics swat and high-risk warrant warrant management engaging in mentally ill

815
01:29:25,340 --> 01:29:30,820
 and the developmentally disabled which you talked about earlier today property and evidence

816
01:29:30,820 --> 01:29:37,300
 management so they decided hey these are areas that expose police to great liability we think

817
01:29:37,300 --> 01:29:45,820
 that we need to set some standards specific to texas police departments here in texas

818
01:29:45,820 --> 01:29:52,340
 so they came up with those areas and under those areas they identified 168 best practices

819
01:29:52,340 --> 01:29:58,020
 that they felt that police departments should comply with in order to become accredited

820
01:29:58,020 --> 01:30:04,860
 in texas we have to comply with those things to verify and validate our activities and

821
01:30:04,860 --> 01:30:10,860
 one of the things that that that does is that makes sure they ensure that the police department

822
01:30:10,860 --> 01:30:14,100
 is looking at these things that the police are looking at these things that they consider

823
01:30:14,100 --> 01:30:23,100
 these things as we develop policies as we develop practices as we develop our training

824
01:30:23,100 --> 01:30:29,740
 and so these things help inform and when we do that it help inform the decisions that

825
01:30:29,740 --> 01:30:34,180
 the police chiefs make regarding their management decisions and how to and how and why does

826
01:30:34,180 --> 01:30:39,800
 it do that well as a part of accreditation we're required to look at things critically

827
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:45,500
 and provide annual reports and in these annual reports it's just not a collection of information

828
01:30:45,500 --> 01:30:49,560
 it's just not collecting data but it's what are we doing with that data what type of analysis

829
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:59,340
 are we doing with that data and how is that data impacting our police operations so one

830
01:30:59,340 --> 01:31:04,420
 of the things someone asked earlier i think i'm not i don't remember who asked the question

831
01:31:04,420 --> 01:31:11,240
 but somebody asked hey when we do the training how do we know that the training is becoming

832
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:17,100
 is is effective right i think someone asked that question right how is it effective and

833
01:31:17,100 --> 01:31:22,180
 how are we measuring the success of that training well based upon what we're required to do

834
01:31:22,180 --> 01:31:27,500
 now now keep in mind this is our first annual training plan this is our first comprehensive

835
01:31:27,500 --> 01:31:34,300
 annual training plan so we're we're just implementing this plan and so these are what we're looking

836
01:31:34,300 --> 01:31:39,780
 to this is how we're looking to measure whether or not the training plan is being effective

837
01:31:39,780 --> 01:31:45,060
 so we're looking at patterns in those annual reports that are and they kind of intertwine

838
01:31:45,060 --> 01:31:51,180
 the accreditation process and training so as a part of the accreditation process we're

839
01:31:51,180 --> 01:31:56,300
 looking at those patterns the patterns that you mentioned the use of force the annual

840
01:31:56,300 --> 01:32:04,960
 use of force report annual discipline report annual internal affairs investigations report

841
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:09,780
 annual vehicle pursuit report and when we look at these reports we're looking at patterns

842
01:32:09,780 --> 01:32:15,220
 you know what what are we learning from these patterns the types of the the types of patterns

843
01:32:15,220 --> 01:32:19,700
 the frequency the officers that are involved in those type of incidents so we're looking

844
01:32:19,700 --> 01:32:24,220
 at all of those things to help inform training and so when we look at the numbers at the

845
01:32:24,220 --> 01:32:30,180
 end of the year so that analysis helps inform the training and it will continue to help

846
01:32:30,180 --> 01:32:36,620
 inform the training and then based upon that we can measure whether or not we've been successful

847
01:32:36,620 --> 01:32:41,220
 how are we going to measure success all those numbers decreasing so with the complaints

848
01:32:41,220 --> 01:32:47,380
 what type of what type of intervention are we and training are we employing to affect

849
01:32:47,380 --> 01:32:51,780
 internal affairs complaints or what type of intervention are we employing to affect vehicle

850
01:32:51,780 --> 01:32:57,780
 pursuits or what type of intervention are we employing to affect response to resistance

851
01:32:57,780 --> 01:33:02,020
 or use of force type complaints and so we'll be able to measure whether or not that training

852
01:33:02,020 --> 01:33:09,880
 is being effective by looking at those numbers and seeing where we're improving all those

853
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:27,220
 numbers decreasing somebody had a question i'm sorry

854
01:33:27,220 --> 01:33:34,740
 so as a part of accreditation i mentioned that the accreditation requires us requires

855
01:33:34,740 --> 01:33:40,220
 the department look at things that will help the chiefs make informed management decisions

856
01:33:40,220 --> 01:33:50,060
 related to personnel related to process related to equipment somebody asked a question about

857
01:33:50,060 --> 01:33:55,900
 refresher training and when we identify training deficiency i think someone asked that question

858
01:33:55,900 --> 01:34:02,620
 and i'd like to fill in that gap a little bit so whenever so we started a new program

859
01:34:02,620 --> 01:34:09,700
 last year and that program is called we call it epip for short but that stands for employee

860
01:34:09,700 --> 01:34:15,660
 employee performance improvement planning and we put together that program and there are

861
01:34:15,660 --> 01:34:23,220
 certain activities that will prescribe a person to an epip or to an employee performance improvement

862
01:34:23,220 --> 01:34:28,180
 plan and we know that that performance improvement plans are not unique to denton i mean agencies

863
01:34:28,180 --> 01:34:34,900
 across the country use performance improvement plans uh so we initiated this employee performance

864
01:34:34,900 --> 01:34:40,980
 improvement plan so that to give supervisors a tool a tool to use when they identify deficiencies

865
01:34:40,980 --> 01:34:45,460
 uh that officer may be having performance deficiencies and that officer is required

866
01:34:45,460 --> 01:34:51,300
 to participate in that in that in that program the supervisor puts together that that plan

867
01:34:51,300 --> 01:34:56,460
 with that particular officer and it may require training it may require some type of course

868
01:34:56,460 --> 01:35:01,860
 it may require some other type of activity to show that their performance that they've

869
01:35:01,860 --> 01:35:08,340
 successfully completed that that performance improvement plan and that the deficiency has

870
01:35:08,340 --> 01:35:23,140
 been improved or the deficiency is no longer a deficiency if i might say i think someone

871
01:35:23,140 --> 01:35:39,300
 asked about other specialty type training so there is some specialty type training right

872
01:35:39,300 --> 01:35:48,340
 we have the active shooter training we have the response to disasters training we have

873
01:35:48,340 --> 01:35:53,540
 the required nims training which chief padgett talked about the national incident management

874
01:35:53,540 --> 01:36:01,140
 training that's a national training required by the federal government of all police departments

875
01:36:01,140 --> 01:36:11,140
 that all of our police department members participate in including the chief

876
01:36:11,140 --> 01:36:17,260
 we have scenario based training that's that's coming up we have the similar the simulator

877
01:36:17,260 --> 01:36:26,540
 training that some of you all participated in which we got good feedback from

878
01:36:26,540 --> 01:36:32,220
 and we have some new training that we're bringing uh just recently we participated in a conference

879
01:36:32,220 --> 01:36:39,980
 on active bystandership uh i don't know if anybody's familiar with bystandership or with

880
01:36:39,980 --> 01:36:46,740
 uh active bystandership but that's a new program that's uh that that's being started nationwide

881
01:36:46,740 --> 01:36:53,380
 and what that involves is and and before i say what it's involved is similar to and

882
01:36:53,380 --> 01:37:01,300
 chief padgett mentioned it uh it's similar to that show uh what would you do right it's

883
01:37:01,300 --> 01:37:08,500
 it's it's an attempt to put another another tool on an officer's tool belt to use uh we

884
01:37:08,500 --> 01:37:12,260
 teach officers how to shoot we teach officers how to run we teach them the law we teach

885
01:37:12,260 --> 01:37:18,660
 them how to conduct investigations but this active bystandership involves teaching officers

886
01:37:18,660 --> 01:37:24,820
 making them aware of how to respond when they see some type of misconduct where they see

887
01:37:24,820 --> 01:37:30,340
 some type of assessor force or whether or not they see some uh see their their peers

888
01:37:30,340 --> 01:37:35,940
 losing their temper and getting ready to do something that they should intervene in to

889
01:37:35,940 --> 01:37:44,180
 stop or to help and so this active bystandership training uh is something that is getting started

890
01:37:44,180 --> 01:37:50,580
 across the nation they're getting ready to do uh train the trainers across the nation

891
01:37:50,580 --> 01:37:56,820
 and we've requested three spots so that we can train we can get some of our officers

892
01:37:56,820 --> 01:38:06,660
 trained to deliver that training to the rest of our department somebody mentioned the explicit

893
01:38:06,660 --> 01:38:14,740
 and implicit bias training that's training that the chief initiated initiated the process

894
01:38:14,740 --> 01:38:19,140
 of bringing that training to denton last year in fact last summer it just took a while to get

895
01:38:20,100 --> 01:38:27,860
 and that training is a three-step process where there's command command community training

896
01:38:27,860 --> 01:38:34,020
 where the command staff and community members train together regarding implicit and explicit

897
01:38:34,020 --> 01:38:42,260
 bias and then there's the train the trainer just recently in june we had 26 officers that were

898
01:38:42,260 --> 01:38:48,340
 trained in fair and impartial policing explicit and implicit bias who are preparing to deliver

899
01:38:48,340 --> 01:38:54,100
 that training throughout the department and so someone asked i think someone asked hey is this

900
01:38:54,100 --> 01:38:58,660
 training is going to is that going to be something that's going to be routine yes it will be i don't

901
01:38:58,660 --> 01:39:02,180
 think that we've determined what the frequency is going to be yet but it's not going to be a

902
01:39:02,180 --> 01:39:07,060
 one-time training it's something that's going to be routine uh and we're going to do refreshers

903
01:39:07,060 --> 01:39:10,660
 but what that frequency is going to be has not quite been determined i don't think

904
01:39:17,780 --> 01:39:21,460
 and that initial command community training was scheduled in march but it was postponed

905
01:39:21,460 --> 01:39:27,620
 because of covet 19 but that training is actually the command community portion of that training

906
01:39:27,620 --> 01:39:32,820
 is getting ready to take place september 10th and 11th of this year and there may be

907
01:39:32,820 --> 01:39:37,860
 someone on this in your group that's scheduled to attend that training

908
01:39:45,060 --> 01:39:52,340
 any questions about accreditation so far yes ma'am ronda yes i'm not sure it's about

909
01:39:52,340 --> 01:40:00,180
 accreditation or if i'm going back to your earlier talk but um are officers ever given

910
01:40:00,180 --> 01:40:06,500
 an opportunity to assess themselves and see how that would differ from their supervisors assessment

911
01:40:09,700 --> 01:40:16,180
 are you speaking of their annual evaluation or you know as an example

912
01:40:16,180 --> 01:40:25,220
 so i can't speak to whether or not all of the officers have done it but i i will say that uh

913
01:40:25,220 --> 01:40:31,780
 it is a process that's beginning to be employed by the den police department and where you can

914
01:40:31,780 --> 01:40:37,940
 evaluate yourself and your and your supervisor also do your evaluation and you see where where

915
01:40:37,940 --> 01:40:43,220
 where you meet right and you can see what's the difference between your perception of your

916
01:40:43,220 --> 01:40:48,980
 performance and the perception of your supervisor okay so that is at the beginning that that

917
01:40:48,980 --> 01:40:54,740
 doesn't necessarily continue throughout someone's career it may be something that we continue but

918
01:40:54,740 --> 01:40:59,140
 right now we're beginning so many different projects this year between last year and this

919
01:40:59,140 --> 01:41:04,180
 year and it may be something that we continue just think about it i think i think it would be very

920
01:41:04,180 --> 01:41:12,500
 beneficial okay thank you anybody else have any questions bow did i see your hand up

921
01:41:12,500 --> 01:41:18,420
 uh jamie i have one question you

922
01:41:18,420 --> 01:41:28,660
 hey hold on jamie your internet is going in and out so we can't can you try it again

923
01:41:29,940 --> 01:41:40,420
 okay there you go maybe now yes um there's a hundred and sixty eight i think different

924
01:41:40,420 --> 01:41:45,860
 accreditation steps or processes that were identified i wrote that number down i don't

925
01:41:45,860 --> 01:41:53,540
 know if i have what that is correctly um but my question is the reports and the patterns that

926
01:41:53,540 --> 01:42:00,740
 you're identifying are they made publicly available in any way i know that some of them have been made

927
01:42:00,740 --> 01:42:07,460
 available to this committee i know that there are probably legal implications for maybe not sharing

928
01:42:07,460 --> 01:42:13,620
 all of them but i am curious if the work that you're doing the analysis strategic work that

929
01:42:13,620 --> 01:42:19,780
 you're doing is in any way publicly available and if you mentioned it i missed it so sorry

930
01:42:21,380 --> 01:42:25,540
 so right now we're going through the process so it's not publicly available right now

931
01:42:25,540 --> 01:42:31,220
 but um uh you know but i'm sure at some point it will but i will say this and i think the chief is

932
01:42:31,220 --> 01:42:37,060
 okay with this that if anybody has any questions about our accreditation process and our participation

933
01:42:37,060 --> 01:42:42,580
 in accreditation feel free to call me or make an appointment to come by and i can i have no problem

934
01:42:42,580 --> 01:42:46,340
 with walking you through exactly what we're doing it's not a secret that we're going through this

935
01:42:46,340 --> 01:42:52,820
 accreditation process uh and it's a part of our practice of of internal and external procedural

936
01:42:52,820 --> 01:42:58,260
 justice right uh we share this information with all of our personnel and we we shared it we we've

937
01:42:58,260 --> 01:43:02,660
 shared this information with you through this report that we pray we that we prepared tonight

938
01:43:02,660 --> 01:43:08,180
 so i don't think that uh it would be a problem for you if you wanted access to see what we're

939
01:43:08,180 --> 01:43:12,820
 doing because i mean this is your police department so i don't think i don't think that the accreditation

940
01:43:12,820 --> 01:43:20,500
 process is something that's secret and just for my own understanding can you tell me approximately

941
01:43:20,500 --> 01:43:26,820
 how many police departments in our region even or in the state of texas have gone through this

942
01:43:26,820 --> 01:43:32,340
 accreditation process and our or maybe police departments of our size that are accredited

943
01:43:32,340 --> 01:43:38,580
 because it is a pretty extensive endeavor so i can't tell you uh by agency size but i can't tell you

944
01:43:38,580 --> 01:43:45,140
 there's about 155 agencies that have completed accreditation and there's like 30 i think about

945
01:43:45,140 --> 01:43:50,980
 38 that are going through the process right now including us and then there's i think almost i

946
01:43:50,980 --> 01:43:57,700
 think 15 that are preparing to go through the process and just because i don't understand the

947
01:43:57,700 --> 01:44:04,660
 full scope can you give me 100 is about what percentage of all departments well i can tell

948
01:44:04,660 --> 01:44:16,260
 you there's about 1200 law enforcement agencies in texas so john did you have a question

949
01:44:16,260 --> 01:44:26,740
 uh no i didn't sure i wanted to just comment on the on the uh on the peer process uh and

950
01:44:26,740 --> 01:44:33,220
 this was uh something that we picked up years ago when i was working for a major corporation

951
01:44:33,220 --> 01:44:37,700
 and i've incorporated it in my own business when we have annual reviews and it's quite

952
01:44:37,700 --> 01:44:45,220
 interesting to see how people see themselves they basically go through and and they do a

953
01:44:45,220 --> 01:44:50,340
 self-assessment and then the supervisor does an assessment and then we sat down and we talk about

954
01:44:50,340 --> 01:44:55,940
 uh the you know are we really having the same perception are we seeing things differently

955
01:44:56,580 --> 01:45:04,260
 and it's quite interesting you know rather than the finger wagging where you you you no no no

956
01:45:04,260 --> 01:45:09,380
 yes yes yes it's a little more interactive and a little more well received when you do that and i

957
01:45:09,380 --> 01:45:15,620
 think that that's a i'm glad to hear that that process is is uh being undertaken by the dentin

958
01:45:15,620 --> 01:45:25,300
 police department thank you okay you can continue dr williams so just a just a little thing about

959
01:45:25,300 --> 01:45:30,580
 the the accreditation a little more about the accreditation process and what it entails so what

960
01:45:30,580 --> 01:45:37,540
 the process entails a team of chiefs and former chiefs that get together and and they form your

961
01:45:37,540 --> 01:45:42,740
 accreditation team and they come in and they do but once you complete the application process

962
01:45:42,740 --> 01:45:47,540
 which we've already done and you're accepted and you enter into a contract with tpca the texas

963
01:45:47,540 --> 01:45:55,220
 police chiefs association which we entered into our contract in march and we we uh we began the

964
01:45:55,220 --> 01:46:04,580
 process uh in march the official officially began the process in march the team comes in and they do

965
01:46:04,580 --> 01:46:09,540
 an initial on-site assessment of your operation looking looking at they're trying to identify a

966
01:46:09,540 --> 01:46:14,180
 baseline and to see if there's some glaring issues that might hamper your ability to become

967
01:46:14,180 --> 01:46:20,180
 accredited so we had that process once they once they completed that on-site process then you're

968
01:46:20,180 --> 01:46:27,220
 assigned a tpca coordinator that you work with hand in hand that you submit proofs of compliance

969
01:46:27,220 --> 01:46:35,940
 those 160 and and it said 166 jamie but it was actually 168 and that actually just past weekend

970
01:46:35,940 --> 01:46:42,980
 was that we were notified that it increased to 170 best practices that we have to comply with

971
01:46:42,980 --> 01:46:48,100
 and i'm proud to say that the two best practices that they that they added included the duty to

972
01:46:48,100 --> 01:46:54,900
 intercede and included the banning of choke holes and neck restraints which chief dixon had already

973
01:46:54,900 --> 01:47:00,740
 implemented so it was easy for us to comply with those right away so uh thank you to chief dixon

974
01:47:00,740 --> 01:47:07,860
 for his forethought on that uh so they come in they assign us this coordinator that we work with

975
01:47:07,860 --> 01:47:12,660
 and we're required to submit in our first year we're required to submit proofs of compliance

976
01:47:12,660 --> 01:47:17,540
 for those 170 best practice in an electronic format and also they're going to come in and

977
01:47:17,540 --> 01:47:23,060
 visually inspect when they do the final on-site assessment so right now i'm working with the

978
01:47:23,060 --> 01:47:27,860
 coordinator and i'm submitting proofs of compliance and you can look at that report there's a report

979
01:47:27,860 --> 01:47:35,140
 a spreadsheet that i put in the information that you have today i think that shows the status of

980
01:47:35,140 --> 01:47:44,020
 the uh the best practices whether or not they've been submitted approved whether or not we have a

981
01:47:44,020 --> 01:47:48,980
 current general order that's working or whether and if it's clear then we haven't done much with

982
01:47:48,980 --> 01:47:57,460
 it at all i don't know do you have that do you have that that sheet is that yes is that no

983
01:47:57,460 --> 01:48:06,340
 sarah did you um include that sheet in their packet should be in the reports okay

984
01:48:06,340 --> 01:48:13,860
 is that right dr williams yes it was in it should have been in the reports on this on the slide i

985
01:48:13,860 --> 01:48:20,740
 guess and maybe i'm not operating the slide right now so i have a phd but my phd is not in technology

986
01:48:20,740 --> 01:48:26,100
 so i haven't you know so i haven't been operating that slide because i feel like i'm talking to you

987
01:48:26,100 --> 01:48:31,940
 guys like we're in a in a meeting and i'm not doing a presentation per se but maybe if i click

988
01:48:31,940 --> 01:48:37,220
 on this yeah because we don't have a slide dr williams oh well maybe maybe i need to click

989
01:48:37,220 --> 01:48:45,860
 on this and see if it's if it's on here right okay all right uh is it in the slide uh can somebody

990
01:48:45,860 --> 01:48:47,540
 can somebody give me a hand here

991
01:48:50,740 --> 01:49:07,780
 hang on yeah

992
01:49:21,380 --> 01:49:26,500
 okay yes yes so sorry i didn't go through all the visual aid if you want me to start all over from

993
01:49:26,500 --> 01:49:32,340
 the beginning i can right uh no sir thank you there's a lot of information i talked about

994
01:49:32,340 --> 01:49:36,340
 that i could have been showing you a visual aid but uh i'm glad your attention was on me

995
01:49:36,340 --> 01:49:44,660
 uh so here is a is a spreadsheet that shows the status of where we are in the in submitting our

996
01:49:44,660 --> 01:49:50,020
 proofs of compliance and there's a little legend here at the where there was a legend somewhere

997
01:49:50,020 --> 01:49:54,820
 maybe it's at the top now there's a legend here that that that tells you how many have been

998
01:49:54,820 --> 01:50:00,580
 submitted how many and approved how many proofs and and documents submission forms were submitted

999
01:50:00,580 --> 01:50:05,220
 includes those two new standards how many are currently being worked on now how many are

1000
01:50:05,220 --> 01:50:12,020
 currently the general order is currently in draft how many require some training and then other

1001
01:50:12,020 --> 01:50:19,620
 how many had not been addressed as of yet and so when you look you can see that those that are

1002
01:50:20,260 --> 01:50:26,580
 those that are blue they've been submitted and proved and approved by tpca those that are in

1003
01:50:26,580 --> 01:50:33,460
 brown have been submitted and awaiting approval they're under review those that are yellow we're

1004
01:50:33,460 --> 01:50:37,860
 actively working on and some of those were actually cleared this week this slide hasn't

1005
01:50:37,860 --> 01:50:46,020
 been updated but uh a number of them have been submitted this week uh there are a couple that

1006
01:50:46,020 --> 01:50:52,420
 require some additional proof of training and then white there were a couple that had not been

1007
01:50:52,420 --> 01:50:57,620
 addressed yet 726 and 110 and i know you don't know what they are they don't have the descriptions

1008
01:50:57,620 --> 01:51:03,780
 there but there were two new ones that were added 225 was added this week and also 611 was added

1009
01:51:03,780 --> 01:51:09,060
 this week if anybody wants deeper information about this i mean feel free to contact me i have

1010
01:51:09,060 --> 01:51:11,780
 i'll be more than happy to talk to you and share that information with you

1011
01:51:14,340 --> 01:51:23,540
 any other questions about accreditation so once we satisfy each one of these proofs of compliance

1012
01:51:23,540 --> 01:51:30,580
 then they come in and they do a final assessment and when what they're looking at during those

1013
01:51:30,580 --> 01:51:34,900
 on-site assessments they're looking at our hard copy files remember i have to submit electronic

1014
01:51:34,900 --> 01:51:41,540
 files and also we have to keep hard copy files so that they come in and review those files and then

1015
01:51:41,540 --> 01:51:46,020
 they come in and talk to our personnel because we can tell them what we're doing but they come

1016
01:51:46,020 --> 01:51:50,580
 in and talk to our personnel and say hey are they really doing what they say they're doing

1017
01:51:50,580 --> 01:51:55,780
 right are you aware of the budget are you aware of the departmental changes are you aware of those

1018
01:51:55,780 --> 01:52:01,540
 policies right uh so they come in and they and they physically observe our physical plan as well

1019
01:52:01,540 --> 01:52:07,620
 do we have backup generators do we have a communications department uh do we have

1020
01:52:07,620 --> 01:52:13,220
 inventories do we uh they come and review our property and evidence room so those are things

1021
01:52:13,220 --> 01:52:18,100
 they come in and review our response to resistance records our training records so they come in and

1022
01:52:18,100 --> 01:52:22,420
 review those things on site to make sure we're doing what we say what we're doing not just what

1023
01:52:22,420 --> 01:52:27,060
 we're reporting that we're doing but they come in to physically look and and verify that we're

1024
01:52:27,060 --> 01:52:33,700
 doing what we say we're doing and once that happens the assessors and again the assessor

1025
01:52:33,700 --> 01:52:39,300
 consists of a team of chiefs and former chiefs that come in and do these evaluations and once

1026
01:52:39,300 --> 01:52:45,780
 that happens then they submit a report to the uh tpca accreditation committee and then they decide

1027
01:52:45,780 --> 01:52:52,100
 whether or not our agency becomes accredited and then that accreditation if they agree that

1028
01:52:52,100 --> 01:52:58,180
 we should be accredited then are recognized it's called the the texas police chiefs association

1029
01:52:59,460 --> 01:53:04,660
 recognition agency recognition program which is an accreditation program basically

1030
01:53:04,660 --> 01:53:10,980
 and so it once they decide that we can they feel that we should be recognized then the chief and

1031
01:53:10,980 --> 01:53:15,780
 members of the department are presented with recognition at the annual texas police chiefs

1032
01:53:15,780 --> 01:53:24,020
 association conference and then officers get a nice pin that they can be proud of to show that

1033
01:53:24,020 --> 01:53:30,660
 hey we are and we are an accredited police department and and based on my experience officers

1034
01:53:30,660 --> 01:53:38,340
 are very very proud of becoming accredited and also the community that they serve become is very

1035
01:53:38,340 --> 01:53:45,300
 it's very proud that their agency is accredited has become accredited and as jamie mentioned

1036
01:53:45,300 --> 01:53:49,940
 it seems like a lot of work and that's because it is it's a lot of work to become accredited

1037
01:53:49,940 --> 01:53:55,940
 especially your first time becoming accredited uh to my knowledge this is the first time that

1038
01:53:55,940 --> 01:54:00,180
 the department has ever sought accreditation and this will be the first time that of course the

1039
01:54:00,180 --> 01:54:05,380
 department has ever become accredited and so it's a lot of work and it's a heavy lift in the beginning

1040
01:54:05,380 --> 01:54:14,180
 yes it is any questions about accreditation about the accreditation process

1041
01:54:19,060 --> 01:54:23,460
 yes dr wiamons how long does the process take and when do you anticipate the

1042
01:54:23,460 --> 01:54:28,820
 process to be complete that's an excellent question so the process tpca gives you

1043
01:54:28,820 --> 01:54:35,620
 tpca ah thank you very much i told you i didn't i wasn't an expert in technology

1044
01:54:35,620 --> 01:54:44,420
 good to see you all again so good question mr bangs uh so the process tpca gives you 24 months

1045
01:54:44,420 --> 01:54:51,620
 to complete the accreditation process and what was the second part of your what was the second

1046
01:54:51,620 --> 01:54:58,340
 part of your question so when do you anticipate us completing that process we're hopeful that we

1047
01:54:58,340 --> 01:55:05,060
 we're working very hard right now and we we have accomplished a lot and we're hoping to uh be a

1048
01:55:05,060 --> 01:55:16,980
 become accredited at the april conference in 2021 so we we so we plan so we are ahead of schedule

1049
01:55:16,980 --> 01:55:22,740
 now there's some things that have kind of some bumps in the road with covet 19 and then some some

1050
01:55:22,740 --> 01:55:29,460
 other uh construction related planning that could impact that but right now we're on track to

1051
01:55:30,020 --> 01:55:38,020
 complete this this process in april of 2021 even though they give us until april i guess of march

1052
01:55:38,020 --> 01:55:50,500
 of 2022 okay i think uh willy had a question sure go ahead mr mr husbit

1053
01:55:50,500 --> 01:55:57,140
 you gotta turn it on willy i can't hear you

1054
01:56:00,820 --> 01:56:06,500
 there you go okay thank you who determines which accreditation

1055
01:56:06,500 --> 01:56:19,220
 plan do we choose or is there only one plan that you can choose to become accredited and if if

1056
01:56:19,220 --> 01:56:25,780
 there are more than one if there's more than one plan that that you can subscribe to why did you

1057
01:56:25,780 --> 01:56:33,300
 choose the one that you did or the the city choose the one that they did choose to have this

1058
01:56:33,300 --> 01:56:41,780
 accreditation process put in place and what are the what are the pros and cons of being in this

1059
01:56:41,780 --> 01:56:48,660
 particular program or process of accreditation so that's a very good question excellent question

1060
01:56:48,660 --> 01:56:56,500
 mr husbit uh so there is more than one accreditation there's the kalea accreditation

1061
01:56:56,500 --> 01:57:00,740
 which i mentioned earlier that's the it's a national accreditation to commit the uh

1062
01:57:00,740 --> 01:57:06,100
 uh the commission on accreditation for law enforcement agencies which is a national

1063
01:57:06,100 --> 01:57:11,700
 and one of the largest accrediting bodies and then the texas police chiefs association here in texas

1064
01:57:11,700 --> 01:57:18,340
 is one that the texas police chief association offers one of the major differences and and it's

1065
01:57:18,340 --> 01:57:23,780
 somewhat comparable but one of the major differences is costs so the the kalea accreditation

1066
01:57:23,780 --> 01:57:29,620
 is is very expensive uh and the texas police chiefs association there's some costs associated

1067
01:57:29,620 --> 01:57:38,660
 that with that but it it's it's it's it's easier on our fine it's just it's almost just as difficult

1068
01:57:38,660 --> 01:57:44,740
 but it's it's easier on our our finances uh to participate in this process

1069
01:57:48,340 --> 01:57:54,260
 uh and that that's the major the the major difference

1070
01:57:54,260 --> 01:58:02,980
 anybody else have a question

1071
01:58:02,980 --> 01:58:17,220
 okay dr williams you can proceed so that's our accreditation process in uh in summary

1072
01:58:17,220 --> 01:58:23,780
 if you again if you need more specific information i can give you more specific information uh feel

1073
01:58:23,780 --> 01:58:30,180
 free to contact me by email or come back come and see me at the at the office i'm always available

1074
01:58:30,180 --> 01:58:36,980
 and i can walk you through this process in more detail if you like we can walk you through the

1075
01:58:36,980 --> 01:58:44,180
 training plan if you like we'd be more than happy to do that but at the end of the day this

1076
01:58:44,180 --> 01:58:50,180
 accreditation process and this training plan is is going to help us continue to be the police

1077
01:58:50,180 --> 01:58:57,940
 department that uh you want it to be the police department that our city manager wants us to be

1078
01:58:57,940 --> 01:59:00,580
 the police department that our city government wants us to be

1079
01:59:00,580 --> 01:59:08,420
 that kind of concludes my presentation uh thank you all so much for your attention today

1080
01:59:10,580 --> 01:59:17,460
 bo you had a question wow i missed that no he just raised the same dr williams yes sir

1081
01:59:17,460 --> 01:59:23,940
 i'm just you mentioned earlier the the research that you guys have done the mixed method approach

1082
01:59:23,940 --> 01:59:28,900
 of qualitative quantitative sure one of the things i'd asked the deputy chief earlier was just about

1083
01:59:28,900 --> 01:59:34,820
 the gaps that you guys have discovered particularly in regards to the training regarding use of force

1084
01:59:35,380 --> 01:59:41,780
 okay you know uh you may not have it right in front of you but maybe if that's something that

1085
01:59:41,780 --> 01:59:48,580
 is documented somewhere that we could get just what you found through those through that research

1086
01:59:48,580 --> 01:59:53,460
 you know i know that you've showed us everything that you're working toward in the accreditation

1087
01:59:53,460 --> 01:59:57,540
 but i was just wondering if you knew anything off the top of the mind you know in terms of

1088
01:59:57,540 --> 02:00:05,140
 what gaps were surfaced in that particular area so i don't have that information available right

1089
02:00:05,140 --> 02:00:14,100
 now but i can have that information for you prior to at our next meeting thank you but the information

1090
02:00:14,100 --> 02:00:18,340
 is available yes it is available we do have i just don't have a copy of the report to speak

1091
02:00:18,340 --> 02:00:26,820
 specifically to it right now thank you anyone have any more questions

1092
02:00:26,820 --> 02:00:34,260
 okay thank you dr williams you're very very welcome i look forward to seeing everybody

1093
02:00:34,260 --> 02:00:38,500
 next week thank you so much are we meeting next week yes yes i look forward to seeing

1094
02:00:38,500 --> 02:00:39,940
 everybody next week thank you so much

1095
02:00:39,940 --> 02:00:54,020
 so before we um wrap up this meeting um did anybody i think sarah had a survey that

1096
02:00:54,020 --> 02:00:58,980
 she sent to everybody to start putting input did anybody do their survey

1097
02:01:01,140 --> 02:01:04,980
 want because yeah we don't well sarah how many surveys do you have

1098
02:01:04,980 --> 02:01:09,860
 uh i checked a couple days ago i think there was only two received so far

1099
02:01:09,860 --> 02:01:16,820
 this is the survey that lists your top three things is that what you're talking about

1100
02:01:16,820 --> 02:01:22,660
 correct yes and you sent that in the email because i don't what if i have more than three things

1101
02:01:25,700 --> 02:01:31,060
 um that was a tool that we had proposed using to kind of group together what some of the

1102
02:01:31,060 --> 02:01:36,820
 recommendations recommendations might be from the committee we can still use that tool to get

1103
02:01:36,820 --> 02:01:41,540
 individual feedback from you all but i think with what chief dixon had proposed tonight is kind of

1104
02:01:41,540 --> 02:01:47,780
 that we've gotten those five topic areas in regards to use of force so um at the next

1105
02:01:47,780 --> 02:01:52,020
 meeting chair i'm not sure how you'd like to handle it if you if you want to take training

1106
02:01:52,020 --> 02:01:57,700
 for example as one topic area and say are there any specific recommendations in regards to

1107
02:01:57,700 --> 02:02:03,140
 training for use of force right um and then go forward with each of the five areas and kind of

1108
02:02:03,140 --> 02:02:10,660
 put it together that way i'm happy to to develop anything the committee wishes to have in order to

1109
02:02:10,660 --> 02:02:18,580
 help you form your recommendations um so staff willing to help i have a couple things i guess

1110
02:02:18,580 --> 02:02:26,100
 i um thought next week was a community input call it is but we will have something before we start

1111
02:02:26,100 --> 02:02:35,700
 taking calls like we did the last time okay and um also i've i've been doing some research on the

1112
02:02:35,700 --> 02:02:42,580
 community police oversight board and i know we had mentioned that maybe like there should be a task

1113
02:02:42,580 --> 02:02:47,620
 force of people to work on that but i don't know if that got organized but i wanted to say i've been

1114
02:02:47,620 --> 02:02:53,700
 doing some research on it and the from dallas there's a community oversight board and also

1115
02:02:53,700 --> 02:02:58,660
 there's an advisory council that's made up of community members so i just wanted to say like

1116
02:02:58,660 --> 02:03:03,060
 maybe some folks could get together and i don't know sarah if you could put a call out whoever

1117
02:03:03,060 --> 02:03:11,220
 wants to work on this we can have a call or something um to work on that otherwise i can

1118
02:03:11,220 --> 02:03:18,980
 maybe email you the research that i have compiled in a document uh as a suggestion around that

1119
02:03:18,980 --> 02:03:22,660
 oversight board because it's something that our committee said they wanted to recommend

1120
02:03:22,660 --> 02:03:27,780
 that's what i'm saying i don't know if the the survey is going to be able to fit everything that

1121
02:03:27,780 --> 02:03:36,740
 i have been compiling okay if it helps you um our attorney mike kroneck has put together a few

1122
02:03:36,740 --> 02:03:41,220
 options for the committee to think about that meet the state statutes and our meet and confer

1123
02:03:41,220 --> 02:03:45,860
 currently and just for you to kick around so there's there's actually two or three four different

1124
02:03:45,860 --> 02:03:51,620
 ways that something like that could be structured and we do intend on having one full meeting to

1125
02:03:51,620 --> 02:03:57,300
 present some of those options to you so we're happy to kind of save you a little bit of the

1126
02:03:57,300 --> 02:04:01,460
 research he's already got a position paper that he's working on right now and we wanted to just

1127
02:04:01,460 --> 02:04:09,380
 give you lots of options to kick through at one night i appreciate that and i also tweaked the

1128
02:04:09,380 --> 02:04:15,940
 information from the research that i got for the city of denton to make it more how i think our

1129
02:04:15,940 --> 02:04:22,340
 community is so i'd still like to present what i have found out if that's possible and share

1130
02:04:22,340 --> 02:04:27,860
 that with the chair or the committee or whoever might want to work on that um but yeah i just

1131
02:04:27,860 --> 02:04:32,740
 wanted to add that in that like we had talked about that and right i wanted to bring that up

1132
02:04:32,740 --> 02:04:44,580
 all right um i have a couple more questions so yancey um don who and jamie so go ahead yancey

1133
02:04:50,740 --> 02:04:57,700
 i just uh want to request information from uh mike uh the city attorney can you possibly provide the

1134
02:04:57,700 --> 02:05:03,300
 committee with uh what is the purpose and the charter and everything dealing when it comes along

1135
02:05:03,300 --> 02:05:07,780
 with the civil service commission because i think that a lot of people on the committee don't

1136
02:05:07,780 --> 02:05:12,900
 understand that we already have somewhat of an oversight board which is in terms of the civil

1137
02:05:12,900 --> 02:05:18,740
 service commission so maybe if you can provide information to them regarding what is the charter

1138
02:05:18,740 --> 02:05:23,860
 and the status and the purpose of the civil service commission they might answer some of

1139
02:05:23,860 --> 02:05:28,580
 their questions and let them know that some of these things are already in place so i think

1140
02:05:28,580 --> 02:05:35,220
 that'll be some good information that the committee probably would like to review thank you sure

1141
02:05:35,220 --> 02:05:44,260
 i'm assuming you don't you don't i'm sorry go ahead mike i'm assuming you mean when i do my

1142
02:05:44,260 --> 02:05:52,580
 presentation uh at that time or i don't think you're asking for me to specify that right

1143
02:05:52,580 --> 02:05:58,900
 right now right no okay no not right now i'm just saying that even if it's beforehand maybe you can

1144
02:05:58,900 --> 02:06:04,580
 get it to sarah and sarah can put it out in like an email form or something because i and this is

1145
02:06:04,580 --> 02:06:10,340
 just me from the inside uh looking out i know a lot of anti-workers and i know the committee doesn't

1146
02:06:10,340 --> 02:06:14,820
 and they probably don't understand what the civil service commission is and don't even know that we

1147
02:06:14,820 --> 02:06:20,740
 even have the civil that it even exists and in fact we have members on this committee that's

1148
02:06:20,740 --> 02:06:25,700
 part of the civil service commission that hadn't spoke up about the civil service commission so i

1149
02:06:25,700 --> 02:06:31,620
 think that uh maybe the putting information i mean i'm all about sharing information and letting

1150
02:06:31,620 --> 02:06:37,060
 people know what we already have in place maybe they won't try to reinvent the wheel i guess is

1151
02:06:37,060 --> 02:06:41,860
 what i'm trying to say because it's already there sure i'll be happy to do that and mr baines who's

1152
02:06:41,860 --> 02:06:47,780
 pointed out is actually on the commission at some point maybe could uh give his point of view of

1153
02:06:47,780 --> 02:06:58,660
 what what they do and those types of things thank you okay my question is to sarah um is it possible

1154
02:06:58,660 --> 02:07:05,060
 that we can email you that sometime um before our next meeting because i honestly did not see

1155
02:07:05,060 --> 02:07:09,700
 that's really i'm sorry i'm like i'm willing to commit so i really do apologize for that delay

1156
02:07:09,700 --> 02:07:15,220
 no problem yes i'd be happy to do so okay thank you jeremy

1157
02:07:15,220 --> 02:07:26,660
 it is possible that i am just too much of a type a an organized person for this type of committee

1158
02:07:26,660 --> 02:07:34,660
 endeavor but i'm really struggling with how many weeks we have remaining in our charge and how

1159
02:07:34,660 --> 02:07:41,620
 little conversation we as a committee have been able to have to this point we've been

1160
02:07:41,620 --> 02:07:49,380
 intaking a lot of information but we have not really had the opportunity to discuss how we

1161
02:07:49,380 --> 02:07:55,860
 individually have processed the information to be able to move forward to making recommendations and

1162
02:07:55,860 --> 02:08:01,860
 i was the one last week that suggested or wanted to know if it was possible to do work groups or

1163
02:08:01,860 --> 02:08:07,460
 something like that and i i'm just really struggling with what our timeline is as a

1164
02:08:07,460 --> 02:08:13,460
 committee moving forward and hearing that there are additional presentations that we will continue

1165
02:08:13,460 --> 02:08:20,740
 to be receiving so can somebody walk me through when when are we going to hash that out and who's

1166
02:08:20,740 --> 02:08:28,100
 gonna help us to make sure that we meet the charge that this the mayor and the city council have given

1167
02:08:28,100 --> 02:08:37,380
 to us yeah we have laid out a timeline basically that we would try to have some kind of a draft

1168
02:08:37,380 --> 02:08:43,700
 report to for all of you to discuss recommending at the council either towards the end of september

1169
02:08:43,700 --> 02:08:49,620
 sometime early october i mean i think the initial goal of september 15th probably isn't realistic

1170
02:08:49,620 --> 02:08:54,820
 for some of the reasons you're articulating and kind of after listening to you tonight

1171
02:08:55,860 --> 02:09:01,060
 you know i think we'll start off the next meeting by kind of introducing kind of the vision to deal

1172
02:09:01,060 --> 02:09:05,460
 with some of the policy issues that we're hearing come out of the committee i mean it's been pretty

1173
02:09:05,460 --> 02:09:11,460
 obvious to us what what you're interested in but i think we also need to build in more time now for

1174
02:09:11,460 --> 02:09:18,100
 you to to have those debates in those particular areas so we'll we'll provide that framework to

1175
02:09:18,100 --> 02:09:22,660
 kick off the next meeting get your input on that if you want to break down into a couple different

1176
02:09:22,660 --> 02:09:27,460
 subcommittees and take that on as long as we meet the open meetings act we can then staff and we can

1177
02:09:27,460 --> 02:09:32,260
 we can certainly accommodate you with that but this is not a this is not something where it

1178
02:09:32,260 --> 02:09:38,580
 september 15th is a is a must be you know we must meet that date i mean if we need to take two or

1179
02:09:38,580 --> 02:09:42,900
 three more meetings in order to make everybody comfortable and review the report going to the

1180
02:09:42,900 --> 02:09:49,380
 council we're going to do that so if that's what you want to do we're here with you donna

1181
02:09:51,540 --> 02:09:57,620
 um i also have a concern towards that too because my initial um thought was that this would um kind

1182
02:09:57,620 --> 02:10:02,420
 of end on september 15th and with the many commitments that i do have i'm afraid that

1183
02:10:02,420 --> 02:10:08,020
 i won't be able to provide as much input as as i would like to um with these other meetings that

1184
02:10:08,020 --> 02:10:13,780
 you're suggesting um so is there like another channel that we can put our input through um in

1185
02:10:13,780 --> 02:10:19,940
 the case that we cannot make these meetings and will it um affect us in any way um i kind of just

1186
02:10:19,940 --> 02:10:26,980
 want to know there's like a penalty towards that there's no penalty oh go ahead yeah there's no

1187
02:10:26,980 --> 02:10:32,180
 penalty at all um and if you can't make a meeting and want to make it want to make sure that your

1188
02:10:32,180 --> 02:10:36,980
 opinion is heard if you would just let you know send something into sarah she's working closely

1189
02:10:36,980 --> 02:10:41,860
 with chief dixon and sheryl as our chair to kind of organize the information and uh that's going

1190
02:10:41,860 --> 02:10:45,460
 to be the best way to do it but there there is no penalty for missing a meeting if you can't make

1191
02:10:45,460 --> 02:10:49,060
 it you can't make it but if we want it we want your information we want to know what you're

1192
02:10:49,060 --> 02:10:54,100
 thinking so i think sarah's the person that kind of to help disseminate that for everyone and we'll

1193
02:10:54,100 --> 02:10:59,460
 let the committee know what your thoughts were and you can go back and watch the meeting that you

1194
02:10:59,460 --> 02:11:06,580
 missed so that you won't uh you'll you'll be up to date up to speed when whenever you can participate

1195
02:11:06,580 --> 02:11:11,620
 willie i i know you're dying to say something because i can see it in your face so go ahead

1196
02:11:14,980 --> 02:11:21,140
 uh turn it on willie i can't hear you push the button willie

1197
02:11:21,140 --> 02:11:29,460
 there you go don't get old because it's not no fun two things i was sitting here thinking

1198
02:11:29,460 --> 02:11:37,540
 about the mandate or what this the city council has asked us to do to develop a report clear findings

1199
02:11:40,820 --> 02:11:47,060
 city manager i've been in two meetings where we've had to do something like this one was when we were

1200
02:11:47,060 --> 02:11:55,220
 choosing you as a a candidate and i please don't hold me to me saying you weren't a good candidate

1201
02:11:55,220 --> 02:12:02,740
 for the job uh just kidding just kidding but we've been on two of those and you've got certain people

1202
02:12:02,740 --> 02:12:09,780
 that's very good at bringing groups to a consensus i hope that when we get to that point where we are

1203
02:12:10,420 --> 02:12:15,780
 talking about what the report should have and what we plan to do you incorporate some of those

1204
02:12:15,780 --> 02:12:22,820
 because they were able to just like sarah's done with the five points got us on point that this is

1205
02:12:22,820 --> 02:12:32,020
 all we're asking for and just as fri what i've what have kept me on point is just remembering

1206
02:12:32,020 --> 02:12:37,220
 i'm not a person to try to tell everybody what to do i'm not that i don't have that power the

1207
02:12:37,220 --> 02:12:42,820
 committee doesn't have that power we're making a recommendation so if we have someone there who can

1208
02:12:42,820 --> 02:12:51,780
 kind of steers in in the right direction in that the majority of us agree with should be in that

1209
02:12:51,780 --> 02:12:58,580
 report i'm real comfortable with with starting that process after we get this additional

1210
02:12:58,580 --> 02:13:05,940
 information the one thing i fear is if we split up that group will have people in there who sees

1211
02:13:05,940 --> 02:13:10,100
 things a certain way then when we come back together we still got the same problem we've

1212
02:13:10,100 --> 02:13:15,300
 got to figure out then what do we do what do we keep so i think it's better if we just stay together

1213
02:13:15,300 --> 02:13:23,620
 and then talk about what it is we'd like to see in the report and with me just remembering

1214
02:13:23,620 --> 02:13:30,420
 i'm not a rule maker i don't know much about what the police do still don't have to listen to all

1215
02:13:30,420 --> 02:13:35,780
 of these reports so if i hear other people and what they're saying i think we can come up with

1216
02:13:35,780 --> 02:13:43,860
 a a report that might be helpful to the city council members i think i think if we will we'll

1217
02:13:43,860 --> 02:13:50,580
 provide kind of that we'll do a little bit better job next time of showing you the five areas that

1218
02:13:50,580 --> 02:13:54,980
 we've kind of broken it down into and why if you want to add to it or change it that's great but

1219
02:13:54,980 --> 02:13:59,860
 we felt like we needed to provide at least a starting point for you to uh to kind of agree

1220
02:13:59,860 --> 02:14:05,700
 some skids then we'll back away i think for the next meeting also something would be helpful is you

1221
02:14:05,700 --> 02:14:09,940
 you've been inundated with a lot of information tonight about training we had a lot of questions

1222
02:14:09,940 --> 02:14:14,740
 at the last meeting about what kind of training do the officers go through do we have enough budget

1223
02:14:14,740 --> 02:14:20,740
 for it that sort of thing and i think our staff did a really great job tonight explaining exactly

1224
02:14:20,740 --> 02:14:26,020
 how robust the training is and and all the things that dr williams is working on but

1225
02:14:26,580 --> 02:14:30,820
 if if you could all kind of think about you know what do you think is missing i've taken some notes

1226
02:14:30,820 --> 02:14:35,460
 that you know that i i heard from you tonight but if you could just kind of think about what

1227
02:14:35,460 --> 02:14:40,260
 what would you like to see what in your mind is missing i think that's an important part of the

1228
02:14:40,260 --> 02:14:44,180
 recommendation because how we'd envisioned this was just sort of breaking it down into

1229
02:14:44,180 --> 02:14:50,180
 training ideas we know the committee is a big the oversight committee or that concept is

1230
02:14:50,180 --> 02:14:56,260
 is is out there and we're kind of looking at it as sort of bullet point recommendations to the

1231
02:14:56,260 --> 02:15:02,180
 council at the end of the day it doesn't need to be a you know 50 page report to them i mean it's

1232
02:15:02,180 --> 02:15:06,740
 it could be a a few pages of just saying hey you know there's these topical areas we really went

1233
02:15:06,740 --> 02:15:12,500
 into um you've been you've really grabbed the reporting aspect as well so we've we've integrated

1234
02:15:12,500 --> 02:15:18,180
 that chief's already starting to work on more robust outward facing reporting so as you're

1235
02:15:18,180 --> 02:15:23,860
 talking it may not be so obvious but we're making changes listening to you and i think just sort of

1236
02:15:23,860 --> 02:15:29,140
 wrapping it up and kind of showing you what we're doing as a result of the input we're getting kind

1237
02:15:29,140 --> 02:15:34,100
 of rolls into the report so we'll do a little bit better job next week maybe putting that into a

1238
02:15:34,100 --> 02:15:42,980
 visual format for you and then we're gonna willy you and then after willy it'll be john and then

1239
02:15:42,980 --> 02:15:48,420
 pam and then we're gonna wrap it up for the evening all right one of the things that the chief brought

1240
02:15:48,420 --> 02:15:55,620
 to my attention tonight when he said how much time it would take for these individual these police

1241
02:15:55,620 --> 02:16:02,980
 officers to complete one course and how much it will cost so we need to as a group we need to

1242
02:16:02,980 --> 02:16:07,060
 kind of consider that before we start saying you need to do this and you need to do that and that

1243
02:16:07,060 --> 02:16:14,180
 i have no idea so that was very helpful what he shared thank you willy john

1244
02:16:16,980 --> 02:16:23,940
 uh thank you madam chair i'm one of the civil service commissioners i've had the pleasure of

1245
02:16:23,940 --> 02:16:29,700
 serving on the civil service commission for three years i was just asked to serve another three

1246
02:16:29,700 --> 02:16:39,300
 years and my experience there has been it's been a very unique experience listening to

1247
02:16:40,420 --> 02:16:50,260
 the police officers and the fire uh the fireman and um the when you talk about citizen input i

1248
02:16:50,260 --> 02:16:59,620
 don't really see the uh much opportunity there unless you're a dedicated uh person who would

1249
02:16:59,620 --> 02:17:06,260
 like to come and sit in those meetings which can be very technical and very um very confined

1250
02:17:06,260 --> 02:17:17,940
 we have a very uh very very strict agenda and we have uh some governing laws and the um some

1251
02:17:17,940 --> 02:17:27,780
 contracts that we have to abide by and so uh as far as that vehicle providing an audience are

1252
02:17:28,740 --> 02:17:39,220
 sufficient uh community input i basically don't see it as that recently to me

1253
02:17:39,220 --> 02:17:48,100
 as things arise and and people in the community would like to have some input to me that's where

1254
02:17:48,100 --> 02:17:53,860
 i see that that uh citizen oversight or citizen of i don't know what how to describe it it gives

1255
02:17:53,860 --> 02:18:00,180
 people a chance to talk and have input and be heard and so that's just my impression as to

1256
02:18:00,180 --> 02:18:05,380
 civil service commission and its function versus having a different

1257
02:18:05,380 --> 02:18:14,500
 committee that's geared specifically to citizen input thank you john you're welcome

1258
02:18:14,500 --> 02:18:19,620
 jamie and this is the last question and then we're gonna wrap it up so we can

1259
02:18:20,340 --> 02:18:26,580
 we've gone over kind of our time go ahead jamie i was just going to say that i think

1260
02:18:26,580 --> 02:18:32,340
 to willie's point i don't disagree willie i think we could do it all as a group i think what i'm

1261
02:18:32,340 --> 02:18:40,820
 asking of our city support is some space for us as a committee to do so i feel like we just need

1262
02:18:40,820 --> 02:18:47,940
 some time to sit together and share what we have learned and what we feel like is coming out of

1263
02:18:47,940 --> 02:18:54,660
 these conversations and start to identify some commonalities and i certainly appreciate you guys

1264
02:18:54,660 --> 02:19:01,780
 trying to do that for us but i i do feel like there's value in just some open conversation

1265
02:19:01,780 --> 02:19:09,380
 around those four or five points where we can sort of go around robin as a crew well i think

1266
02:19:09,380 --> 02:19:15,540
 and i think what they wanted to do and i think the goal was to get all the information out there so

1267
02:19:15,540 --> 02:19:21,060
 that when we did sit down and have those conversations that we had all the information

1268
02:19:21,060 --> 02:19:27,860
 out there i think what might have frightened everyone was the initial timeline of september

1269
02:19:27,860 --> 02:19:34,820
 15th now that we know that we have more time it doesn't feel like we're so pressed together

1270
02:19:34,820 --> 02:19:42,580
 to come up and you know what i'm saying so i think um next week we'll have some time prior to

1271
02:19:42,580 --> 02:19:49,220
 the calls from the public to go over some more stuff and then we'll start delving into that but

1272
02:19:49,220 --> 02:19:56,420
 i think that because we have more time we'll be able to sit and have those conversations

1273
02:19:56,420 --> 02:20:02,100
 and hash bullet point by bullet point to come up with the solution that we have

1274
02:20:02,100 --> 02:20:11,460
 okay pam this is the last question go ahead thank you shirle um this is for yancy and it'll be very

1275
02:20:11,460 --> 02:20:16,740
 quick is there a refresher training for the mental health just i have two questions

1276
02:20:16,740 --> 02:20:21,380
 yeah so for the mental health you talk about mental health peace ups or just mental health in

1277
02:20:21,380 --> 02:20:26,500
 general the crisis intervention training that you were is there any kind of refresher after that 40

1278
02:20:26,500 --> 02:20:35,860
 hours uh i know that's initial in the academy and then i i want to say you get like 24 don't call me

1279
02:20:35,860 --> 02:20:39,860
 on the hours but it's more training when you get your intermediate and advanced license but the

1280
02:20:39,860 --> 02:20:44,260
 thing about the specialized training you know you have to have an officer that want to take that

1281
02:20:44,260 --> 02:20:49,540
 training once they get that license in because like a mental health peace officer i'm a mental

1282
02:20:49,540 --> 02:20:54,260
 health peace officer but and i have to take continuing education hours on top of the other

1283
02:20:54,260 --> 02:21:00,180
 required hours and then now you're bogging the officer down that's something i have to want to

1284
02:21:00,180 --> 02:21:06,100
 take yes and then officer down with hours of training and that therefore you're taking

1285
02:21:06,100 --> 02:21:11,940
 officers off of the street so sometimes you got to relate with training versus the needs of the

1286
02:21:11,940 --> 02:21:17,060
 community and the department and then in the autism training was that based on an event that

1287
02:21:17,060 --> 02:21:23,460
 happened with an officer something that happened in the community or is that something you all just

1288
02:21:23,460 --> 02:21:30,500
 that was that the autism training was something i am on the academy advisory board okay and that

1289
02:21:30,500 --> 02:21:37,060
 was something that came out of a concern from a citizen who had an adult child who was on the

1290
02:21:37,060 --> 02:21:42,980
 spectrum he was you know functioning could drive and what have you but he had twitches and that

1291
02:21:42,980 --> 02:21:50,660
 was a concern and so we brought that and so that's how that was that training okay thank you so much

1292
02:21:50,660 --> 02:22:01,940
 you're welcome okay so we're going to wrap up tonight and it is what time is it it is 8 35

1293
02:22:01,940 --> 02:22:10,100
 and we will be back next week we will have a brief presentation and then we will take calls

1294
02:22:10,100 --> 02:22:17,860
 from the public like we did prior to this couple weeks ago it will be the same format

1295
02:22:18,580 --> 02:22:25,700
 and sarah did you have anything you wanted to add we'll be sending out a press release tomorrow

1296
02:22:25,700 --> 02:22:30,020
 to inform the community of the second public input session and i'll distribute that to all of you as

1297
02:22:30,020 --> 02:22:38,420
 well okay will there be emails as well this time or online entry correct the online form is still

1298
02:22:38,420 --> 02:22:43,860
 open it has been since the first public input session and that'll remain open until thursday evening

1299
02:22:46,820 --> 02:22:56,740
 okay well thank you guys for participating and we'll see you next week