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 Okay, good evening. Today is the fourth meeting of the use of force ad hoc committee. We only

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 have a few more meetings left. So we're going to kind of just dive right into what we need

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 to do. And if you've had a chance to look at the minutes from last week, we will need

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 to make a motion to approve those minutes, except we have one correction item. And last

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 week, Cameron cops was marked absent and Cameron was present. So we'll need a motion to approve

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 the minutes from last week with the correction of Cameron's attendance. And can I get a second?

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 Okay, all in favor, please just raise your hands and hold them up for a few minutes so that

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 we can get everybody okay. All in favor, hands up. Motion carries. Okay, thank you.

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 Tonight, I think we're going to hear from Chief Dixon first. And then we'll move on to the next

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 item, we kind of move the agenda around. So we'll hear from him. And then we'll go on to our next

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 what we have after that. Chief Dixon, the chair English just interrupts that we're gonna you're

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 gonna call item C first right now. I'm sorry. That's okay. I just want to formality wise call

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 item C and then we'll return to item B. Okay, we'll go to item C, receive a report and hold

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 discussion regarding the police department's policies, procedures, training, and reports

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 relevant to the ad hoc committee's work. All right, good evening. It's great to see everybody

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 today we're going to jump right into presentation for tonight. And one of the purposes for us giving

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 you the information ahead of time was so you all could look over the policies, and we could spend

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 the bulk of our time tonight kind of going over so I want to start with chapter 401 with bias based

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 policing and see if there was any concerns as far as a language goes or if there's any questions

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 about this general order.

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 And because I'm sharing my screen Madam Chair if someone has a question can you let me know so I

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 can take it down? Okay. I can't see everyone when I have the shared screen up. I can't see

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 that many either but just if I see somebody I'll let you know.

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 Hey Chief, make sure you have the city value two or three screens so you can you can you won't

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 have that problem. Come on Chief, let's get a smile now. I'm working on it.

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 If there's nothing on bias based was there anything in 310 the K-9?

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 I have a question in general about all of the policies we're reviewing tonight.

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 Okay. We've talked in the past weeks about the service that you use to kind of identify

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 changes that need to be made based on law and things like that in best practice. The company

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 that you use or have all these policies been reviewed and are in line with that service that

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 we talked about last time. I'm sorry I don't have my notes so I can't reference the name but I hope

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 you know what I'm talking about. So when we get, that's a great question, so when we get these

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 general order updates from Lexapol they come and they're already vetted from their team of

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 attorneys that pay special attention to Texas best practices everything that Texas Police Chiefs

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 Association deems a best practice, Supreme Court case law, Circuit Court case law, and any Texas

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 case law. So they're already pre-vetted before they come out. We have the ability to further tailor

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 them to be Denton specific after that. So are there Denton specific modifications in these policies

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 that we're reviewing tonight? There's always going to be Denton specific things in them

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 because like we talked about before nothing that we're going to do here or any other city is going

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 to be a canned, fully canned approach right? So I'll pull up the full policy here.

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 Did it come up?

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 There it is. Okay so for bias-based policing

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 most of this is going to be pretty generic if you want to use that term because it covers

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 policing in its general sense. There's not going to be much in the bias-based policing part that's

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 going to be specific to Denton. This is more specific to what is required through state

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 reporting through TECOL every year and that's the racial profiling report that came out of Sandra

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 Bland Act both versions of it and then it goes into what we expect of our supervisor. So if there's

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 one place that is going to be specific to us here these are the things that I ask of our supervisors

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 on top of the ones that are listed here. We have them have monthly meetings with all of their

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 subordinates so sit down one-on-one meetings with their subordinates every month just to have

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 discussions what's going good what they can improve on general conversation because when

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 you're dealing with human beings you're going to get to know them so you can get to know their

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 their idiosyncrasies and if there's something going on with them outside of work I want them

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 to catch that in those monthly meetings. What I don't want is for a relatively small thing like

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 them taking two days off as sick to manifest itself into something bigger because we haven't

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 been paying attention to our officers so in addition to the supervisor responsibility specific for

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 bias-based policing we ask that their meeting and having these monthly meetings to try to identify

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 other things outside of just bias-based so we can help get our employees the help that they may need

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 to to better perform and better represent us collectively. Did that answer it for you, Jane?

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 But everything else in this one is going to be consistent with what state requires.

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 Was there any any other questions that y'all had?

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 You can go on to the next one, Jane. I have a question. Okay, who is that? This came on

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 um sorry I've been on video calls all day and I just can't be on the screen right now. Okay um we

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 really would like I know you haven't but this this point forward I mean yeah we need everybody's

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 screen turned on just for the sake of um seeing who's here and making sure we have enough people.

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 Okay so I saw that it said um that you're reviewing things like in a time you're having

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 the discussions with the officers in a timely manner but I also heard you say monthly so is

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 it that you do them monthly but the policy just says a timely manner?

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 Are you talking about which part of were you talking about the timely manner?

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 I think it was just above uh the lower case a

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 or it might have been lower case a under four something.

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 I can also go to item b while you're looking for it um I think it's 401.5 little a is

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 what she's referring to yeah yeah for supervisor responsibilities yes so what I'm talking about the

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 monthly meetings are outside of this those are in general we're talking about bias based policing

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 the timely manner is that when you see something that raises your alarm you need to be bringing

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 that so if it's a sergeant that catches something on one of their officers they need to bring it to

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 their lieutenant in a timely manner so that they can address it what we don't want is for these

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 things to be sitting on a shelf somewhere or something today you don't say anything and a

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 month later something happens that manifests itself and we find out later that you had this

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 information and that you failed to notify anybody about it. Okay so that kind of brings me to the

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 the letter b I was wondering how often you all review the footage it says periodically but I

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 didn't know if there's like an internal recommendation for best practice of how

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 often I'll review the footage yeah so we have quarterly audits that we do outside of the bias

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 based policing outside of any of these um general orders individually we have supervisors conduct

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 quarterly audits of everything so we want a cross section of body camera footage we want a cross

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 section of report writing um affidavit preparation even their cars to make sure their cars have the

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 equipment in them that they need whether that be cones flares any equipment they may need fire

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 extinguishers we just want to make sure that our officers are equipped to go out and serve the

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 public in the best manner they can thank you I was just wondering how often it was certainly

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 um was there any questions about the canine policy

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 I'll move to uh handcuffing and restraints

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 was there any questions about this that you all saw while you were reviewing the general order

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 chief I was hoping you could speak to um the use of restraints for people with disabilities

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 specifically both those with mobility impairments or visual impairments in particular

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 where removing somebody's mobility device or changing the way that they are able to move about

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 like handcuffs on a person in the wheelchair and things like that I see that it's addressed

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 that you know you talk about it a little bit but it didn't really have much detail um or maybe I

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 skimmed it a little too close closely and should have read more carefully but I wondered if you

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 could speak to that just a little bit so I could understand sure so when you talk about putting

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 too much detail in here what we don't want to do is to kind of put us in a box right everything is

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 going to be dependent on the situation at hand what we want to do is give them guidance because

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 at the end of the day general orders is really a guidebook for law enforcement so we want to

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 give them guidance so we don't want to paint them into a corner where they have to do a b and c

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 each time so if there's someone that's visually impaired and they're not being arrested for like

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 a violent offense it gives the officers more of an opportunity to maybe they place the handcuffs

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 a different way than they would someone that's violent same thing with someone in a wheelchair

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 maybe they don't they don't have to restrain their movement as much oftentimes people that

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 are found to have disabilities they're being compliant you're going to see a lot more

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 officers using their discretion to allow them to move about as much as they can more freely

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 because officers also understand if they top their mobility in their wheelchair bound

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 who's responsible for moving them now they're gonna have to pick them up right and then transfer

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 them safely from one spot to another so by and large police officers understand that when they

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 restrict someone's mobility they're essentially taking on the liability of then having to

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 physically move them which then means you have now to have to have multiple officers there

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 to lift someone up safely and move them from one place to another thank you you're welcome

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 so

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 any questions about the rap or any other control devices while we're here

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 electronic control weapons ecw is commonly referred to as tasers

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 was there any questions about this general order

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 chief i have a generic question if you don't mind please absolutely um and going through these

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 general orders i know there's a reason that we're doing this um have there been complaints or

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 to me these seem so generic i have i can't find a problem with them so we're just reviewing them

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 for the sake of making sure we understand what's in writing or well because because most of these

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 all of these policies that were going over all the general orders that were going over they all

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 relate directly to use of force which is what the committee was put together for so we just want to

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 make sure like the very first meeting we remember that we had some discussion about language that

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 was captured in those first few general orders we just want to go through all the ones that relate

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 to use of force so we give you all the opportunity to see them to hopefully understand them a little

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 bit better and then if there's any question about the language captured in them that we kind of talk

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 about it and if there's room to change that language around we discuss it and then maybe

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 we change the language a little bit but that was really our purpose for kind of everything we did

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 giving a broad overview then go through the use of force simulator and then coming back and now

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 having these discussions well my general comment is they're quite generic i don't find them offensive

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 it does give you some leeway so i guess the exercise is just mainly to give us the opportunity

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 to see what's in writing is that correct correct all right thank you and thank you for the taking

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 us through it thank you certainly

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 we just thought it'd be a better use of everyone's time especially on the committee so you could have

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 more thoughtful conversation to kind of give you these general orders ahead of time so you can read

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 them and then we can come right in and just have this straight to it if there's any discussion we

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 need to have and then we can move on to other business that you all find you know important

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 so we're done with the ones that we're going to cover for today we'll come back i think in two

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 weeks and then cover the last few and we'll move on madam chair thank you and i hope you guys are

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 taking notes because well you know of the things you want to discuss are the things that you think

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 that need to be addressed or changed because we only have a few more meetings a couple more

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 meetings actually until we have to actually start putting into practice what we want uh what changes

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 we'd like to see so thank you chief dixon um next we'll go back to um item b which is

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 wait hold on yeah item b receive a report and hold discussion regarding

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 the public comments received at the first public input session that was last week and public

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 comments received through online form and provide an opportunity for committee members to share their

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 stories experiences or explanation for why they joined the ad hoc committee and um does anybody

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 want to start first don't okay donna donna i can't i can't hear you you're on

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 yes um we're to hold a discussion regarding the the public comments that we got last week

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 and uh the public comments that we got that were phoned in and received online you should have that

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 and provide an opportunity for the committee to share their stories experiences

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 and explanation for why they joined the ad hoc committee okay i don't mind starting okay um i

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 actually joined um on behalf of twu i was recently appointed by the governor to be student regent

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 so i was sent an email regarding this committee and um i just found it really interesting i

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 um i'm still you know kind of getting used to um our purpose and um i do really want to make

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 a change i do not live in denton but i know that um there are still concerns i understand

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 that there are people that do not see an issue but if there was not an issue we wouldn't have

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 this committee to begin with um so i'm just here to listen and um apply any knowledge that i may

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 have so we can figure out a solution for the betterment of the denton community yeah

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 does anybody else have any

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 ronda did you raise your hand yes i'll say i'll say something okay um well i have a phd in

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 psychology and a 34 year career in public health so um i would think that all of these when the

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 mayor asked me to if i wanted to serve i said yes because i'm pretty sure that some of that background

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 helps me to think about these issues i hope carefully i also did a lot of academic work and

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 research and conflict resolution so looking for alternative ways to solve problems both between

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 individuals and uh and groups so my academic background and just general interest that's why

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 i'm here thank you ronda gary did i say you raise your hand

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 sure yeah our team way of denton county works with a number of nonprofits

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 community as well as working very closely with the city of denton and um unlike many

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 nonprofits who specialize in micro social worker direct service we do a lot of our work in the

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 area of system change oh uh system change of this nature and then the work we do with respect to

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 community needs assessment uh really makes us very interested in being part of helping in this in this

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 area and on a personal level i'm absolutely committed to this process and making sure that

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 we take this opportunity uh at a national level and here locally and denton to make some significant

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 change for the people who live there thank you gary jamey

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 and then you next yancy so um i have to tell you that i received um through social media

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 some inquiries about myself um prior to the public comment and then after the meeting closed

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 suggesting that perhaps i don't have a disability because you can't see it on the screen and so

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 before i talk about why specifically it's important for me to be part of the committee i want to state

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 publicly that for any of you that haven't met me or for anyone that watches um our presentations

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 online or on the dtv site that i have cerebral palsy and i have been a lifelong wheelchair user

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 and as a result of my being in a wheelchair i've had the opportunity to advocate for people with

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 disabilities on the federal state and local level and believe that it's important to do so

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 and so i am here for a multitude of reasons but i want to share one particular story

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 that might help the public to better understand why having a person with a disability serve on

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 this particular committee is important when i was 19 years old i was advocating for additional

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 changes to be made in the city that i lived in in the time and there were going to be

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 um decisions made out county bus service and transit service in that area and as a rule of

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 the conversations the discussion that was being had was to make the number of accessible buses

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 that would be available to the public and so myself and a number of my friends protested

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 in part by chaining ourselves to a city bus as an older person and a mature adult i'm not sure i

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 would make the same choice today that i did then but the person that was chained next to me was

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 thrown from their wheelchair injured and ultimately died as a result of their attempt to protest so i

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 understand the moment that we're in is very much about racial equality and justice for people that

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 experience excessive force as it relates to the color of their skin but i think that the use of

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 force and understanding the policies around them impact our entire community

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 thank you jamie and i'm glad that you're serving i i am sorry that um

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 your participation was called into question but and and i don't feel like that you should have to

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 explain to people um if you're disabled or not a lot of people are disabled and it is just not

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 shown visibly and so um i think that we all come from different places and spaces and we all have

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 different experiences and that's what makes the world go around so thank you for sharing that

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 with us and thank you very much for participating okay i think yes you're next

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 yeah so i uh i was asked to be a part of the committee and uh i accepted the nomination to

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 be a part of the committee for a number of reasons one it's a lot of misinformation out there

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 about law enforcement in general uh but by and by and large didn't you can't just paint law

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 enforcement with a broad brush you have to take specific incidents that happen in your community

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 and try to you know make your community department a better department uh over the

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 past couple of weeks i sat back and i've actually reviewed all of the videos that

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 uh the recorded meetings and stuff and i started questioning my own cell phone why am i a part of

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 the committee because uh most of the meetings that we've had and nothing against the committee or

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 anything we've gone against the mayor's charter um we've gone everywhere from you know the chief

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 and even the city attorney i provided us information regarding state law uh and what the police

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 department here in denton is bound by as well as the chief providing the policies that

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 at hand the officers here have to follow by uh it seemed like that we brush over those and we

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 some members of the committee might have an alternative agenda to try to have this committee

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 as something put together outside of the scope of what the mayor actually want us to be uh to

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 come back in a couple of days actually a couple of months a couple of weeks to provide suggestions

00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:18.720
 strictly regarding the use of force committee i agree that we all come from different backgrounds

00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:27.760
 and we have you know various stories or whatever and i appreciate all the comments and all that

00:27:27.760 --> 00:27:33.040
 me myself i actually have stories where i've been racially profiled as well but that didn't

00:27:33.040 --> 00:27:39.200
 pertain to denton pd or it's a local agency so i can't just say well denton pd is bad because

00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:45.920
 this happened to me or whatever so i still i'm still glad that i'm a part of this community

00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:51.200
 uh maybe i can answer questions that's regarding you know why denton pd does stuff a certain type

00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:56.320
 of way because there's a lot of misinformation uh out there and it's the community is not informed

00:27:56.320 --> 00:28:00.080
 about a lot of stuff i think we saw that in the first meeting where a lot of people felt that

00:28:00.080 --> 00:28:04.000
 officers graduate the academy one week and they're on the street on their own the next week

00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:07.760
 and that's not the case and then a lot of you guys didn't even know that there were different levels to

00:28:07.760 --> 00:28:13.280
 uh the certifications that officer receive and the specialties that officers receive

00:28:13.280 --> 00:28:19.840
 so me i'm out to put that information out to let you guys know the reason why denton pd does the

00:28:19.840 --> 00:28:24.720
 things that denton pd does but at the same token i also want to make sure that we stay on task

00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:28.960
 because if we start going down these rabbit holes we're never going to be able to come back

00:28:29.600 --> 00:28:35.200
 in the 90 days that the mayor gave us to discuss use of force which is basically what we were

00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:42.800
 we were designed to do even council member davis who's uh tried to get us back on track last week

00:28:42.800 --> 00:28:49.360
 but in my opinion he was shut down uh when he was trying to you know say what the council want from

00:28:49.360 --> 00:28:56.160
 this committee uh my and that's my view on it he was shut down and we even ended the meeting with

00:28:56.800 --> 00:29:03.680
 in my opinion certain members wanted to go about their own way and have different meetings outside

00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:09.440
 of this meeting uh which if you want to talk about history since we brought that up last week

00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:15.040
 in my opinion if everybody's not inclusive now where history is repeating itself because it's

00:29:15.040 --> 00:29:19.440
 going to be part of segregation because i don't know if i'm a part of that meeting are you talking

00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.880
 about the police department because you don't want officers on the committee are you talking

00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:28.880
 about this group because they're disabled so i just i'm glad to be a part of the committee

00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:32.800
 but at the same token i want to make sure that we stay on task on what the charter that the

00:29:32.800 --> 00:29:39.360
 mayor actually put at hand and value the input for everybody that's actually trying to give you input

00:29:39.360 --> 00:29:49.440
 thank you and and i appreciate you keeping us on task uh willie and then um donna

00:29:52.320 --> 00:29:53.680
 willie turn your mic on

00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:59.920
 can't hear you

00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:10.720
 hello can't hear you space bar and you should come on will they hit your space bar you should

00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:14.320
 be able to come on hit your space bar you should be able to come on willie

00:30:20.080 --> 00:30:30.400
 oh we lost willie okay oh here are you there willie you still on mute we still can't hit you

00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:32.160
 can the host help him out

00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:43.840
 i don't think so hold on no he has to do it

00:30:47.360 --> 00:30:53.440
 oh there you are willie there you are good yes so sure you're just trying to mute me

00:30:53.440 --> 00:31:04.320
 you know i i have to agree with the uh the young man who uh just spoke because i was confused

00:31:04.320 --> 00:31:12.640
 because i wasn't there the first night when you all got the charge so it's really helpful to me

00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:23.040
 tonight to hear and then what um uh the council jesse councilman mcjess uh davis said in his

00:31:23.040 --> 00:31:31.760
 remarks and so i just need to now i'm focused i know what the charge is so i want to stay on

00:31:31.760 --> 00:31:37.360
 that charge i even got it printed up so that i could look at it look at it and make sure i'm

00:31:37.360 --> 00:31:42.320
 i'm straight because i would most certainly like to talk about stuff that i want to talk about

00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:50.160
 i've got a lot of stuff and i just want to use this platform to get it out to ask questions about

00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:57.120
 it to discuss where i came from to talk about what my interests are and all but come on guys

00:31:57.120 --> 00:32:03.920
 we either got to decide we're going to do what we're asked to do as as we gather information

00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:10.880
 and i know many times we just kind of go different directions but we're we're sincere about them in

00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:16.800
 that we're hoping that they help us make the decision we're supposed to make that the city

00:32:16.800 --> 00:32:23.600
 the mayor has charged us to make but we really have to be careful and all of us have to monitor

00:32:23.600 --> 00:32:32.640
 each other and just maybe ask nicely what how does that help us what are you what is your point

00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:38.480
 toward helping us move toward the charge now that's what i'm going to be saying i'll be listening

00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:44.240
 for that tonight and some of the things the main thing that they have on this this list of what

00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:55.760
 we're supposed to do is to develop a report are clear of clear findings conclusions and achievable

00:32:55.760 --> 00:33:05.360
 recommendations that promote the use of best practices in use of force policies and training

00:33:05.360 --> 00:33:10.640
 for the denton police department key dentons police department

00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:20.800
 um uh recommendations that are achievable and towards these things that they're looking

00:33:20.800 --> 00:33:26.160
 forward to so i've got it here before me i asked for it and now i know what to do and i'll be

00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:31.920
 trying to accomplish those things tonight and from this point forward well we're going to have

00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:38.080
 discussion uh and start diving into that so i look forward we look forward to hearing from you

00:33:38.080 --> 00:33:45.120
 uh willy and um get ready all right okay now now you got to mute yourself so we can go to the next

00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:53.840
 person all right okay okay don't go anywhere just mute yourself all right all right okay oh you got

00:33:53.840 --> 00:34:07.120
 it uh uh donna just had a quick um comment on that on both what you had to say mr answer green and um

00:34:07.120 --> 00:34:16.080
 mr hutzpah i believe um i just being as a student um i kind of feel like that's a little bit

00:34:16.080 --> 00:34:21.920
 aggressive towards me and i know that's probably not how um you intended it to be the way that you

00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:29.760
 responded um for people outside or um within our school district per se they kind of just want to

00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:37.440
 know that they're safe and i don't know if even me whenever i provide input or based off of what

00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:44.160
 our students say if that is tapering away from our central target or what we're supposed to be

00:34:44.160 --> 00:34:50.800
 discussing however i feel like for us to get to the place that we want to be is if we have different

00:34:50.800 --> 00:35:00.080
 perspectives and i don't mean to i don't mean any disrespect by that um however um it's just you know

00:35:00.080 --> 00:35:02.400
 kind of our job too

00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:11.360
 uh i don't think that was directed towards you um there there's a lot of moving parts

00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:21.680
 a lot of moving parts going on so um just just hang on um thank you though john i thought you had

00:35:21.680 --> 00:35:30.080
 your your hand up yes uh thank you um i would just like to i'll try to be very brief and just

00:35:30.080 --> 00:35:37.760
 say i'm glad to be on the committee i was asked to be here um uh growing up in the city of houston

00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:45.520
 i had a lot of very difficult experiences with the police and i've learned in my almost 70 years

00:35:45.520 --> 00:35:53.040
 that you cannot lump people you can't lump black people you can't lump white people you can't lump

00:35:53.040 --> 00:36:03.200
 police officers and so uh my participation here is to help us to do the very best we can to be the

00:36:03.200 --> 00:36:09.200
 very best city with the best practices possible and i'm just happy to be a part of the process

00:36:09.200 --> 00:36:17.120
 and thank you for the charge that came from the mayor and i too commit to working toward that goal

00:36:17.120 --> 00:36:24.640
 thank you jamie did you have your hand up again oh okay did any did anyone else want to speak

00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:35.360
 okay camia

00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:49.440
 yeah um so my background i think people were sharing their background a little bit

00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:57.360
 uh my background is in social work i came to denton as a student at unt and um

00:36:58.560 --> 00:37:04.560
 i kind of fell in love with the town uh in fact my parents said to me early on you're never going

00:37:04.560 --> 00:37:11.200
 to leave here and i told them yes i would because i was determined to go to new york um and i love

00:37:11.200 --> 00:37:18.880
 it here uh i love denton a lot um i've created a great support system here and as a social worker

00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:29.680
 i've been connected with many agencies and denton um nonprofits i've seen uh i've seen the

00:37:29.680 --> 00:37:38.080
 impact of collective power and community um i felt that year for the first time in my life

00:37:38.080 --> 00:37:45.680
 which has kept me anchored here and that's why that i do organizing an activist and advocacy work

00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:54.480
 in this town and that is ultimately why i joined this committee i think that

00:37:54.480 --> 00:38:06.640
 um i also want to ensure that the policies around police use of force are

00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:19.120
 what's the the ones that we develop or suggest um are the ones that are safest

00:38:19.120 --> 00:38:26.080
 for the people that live in our communities um but i want to also point to um

00:38:26.080 --> 00:38:36.000
 the fact that there are communities experiences in denton with police that have happened here in

00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:44.560
 denton with dentin pd that have been harmful and not to say that as everyone's terrible

00:38:44.560 --> 00:38:51.120
 or whatever but people have had those experiences and at every entity at every profession there's

00:38:51.120 --> 00:38:58.880
 room to grow and i hope that we can utilize the input that we receive from community members

00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:06.880
 to help us inform the way we shape these policies so that's what i'd like to share

00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:10.720
 and uh i'll pass it to someone else

00:39:10.720 --> 00:39:17.920
 thank you anybody else want to share

00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:22.160
 and your luck

00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:32.640
 thank you good evening everyone um i was

00:39:32.640 --> 00:39:39.120
 a member of the city reached out to the denton independent school district and asked if there

00:39:39.120 --> 00:39:44.480
 was anyone that was willing to participate on the committee and the superintendent recommended

00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:54.800
 actually two of us um and the city said we only need one so um here i am but um in my

00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:01.360
 and and i'm a resident of denton county um graduate of university of north texas and

00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:08.880
 all of my kids went through the school systems but as an advocate for children um that's a big

00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:17.600
 reason that i'm excited to serve on this committee um to allow our students to have a voice um in

00:40:17.600 --> 00:40:23.920
 their upbringing i wasn't able to attend the meeting last thursday but still went through

00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:30.000
 all the materials and watched the video um and i guess it seemed that there

00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.600
 is a lot of

00:40:33.600 --> 00:40:43.600
 um concern about the committee even being put together and a lot of that concern

00:40:43.600 --> 00:40:50.400
 um it appears to come from people who are looking through a lens where they've not ever had any

00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:57.920
 um negative experiences so i understand why they're coming with that frame of mind but we also have

00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:05.680
 to consider uh the members of our committee who have a different lens um and make sure that their

00:41:05.680 --> 00:41:13.760
 voices are heard as well and that we implement practices that will allow all citizens of denton

00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:18.000
 to have those experiences where they're wondering why we have a committee like this together

00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:27.040
 um and that's not the case yet but i'm hopeful um that as we work together as a committee

00:41:27.040 --> 00:41:38.240
 that we'll get to the point where everyone feels like um they can be safe um in their own city

00:41:38.240 --> 00:41:46.080
 definitely want to have uh or excited about getting into the conversations when we talk about

00:41:47.600 --> 00:41:55.520
 how we can be more proactive um and build positive relationships especially with our

00:41:55.520 --> 00:42:03.600
 younger students um to build that trust with police officers before um they have a negative

00:42:03.600 --> 00:42:11.280
 experience that frames how they forever will view um police after that experience so um that's a

00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:18.000
 little bit about me and my background and why i'm excited to uh work with you all to make the city

00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:28.160
 of getting even better than it already is thank you angela jay good evening everybody my name is

00:42:28.160 --> 00:42:33.360
 jumo bowler i don't understand why my uh owner says jay's phone i haven't been able to correct

00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:42.400
 that so i'm sorry but i just name it that and that's why i named my phone that's what it is

00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:47.520
 but uh as far as me and joining the committee uh my wife had talked to me about it my wife katina

00:42:47.520 --> 00:42:52.560
 talked to me about it and me being in law enforcement over 15 years and all kinds of aspects

00:42:52.560 --> 00:42:58.960
 as far as juveniles um being a supervisor or didn't kind of share his apartment and so on so

00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:05.120
 forth she thought that maybe that you know some of the things that i've learned and an experience

00:43:05.120 --> 00:43:10.720
 would be able to help this this this committee so that's the biggest reason i've joined this

00:43:10.720 --> 00:43:19.120
 committee and i'm very excited to be here so we'll see how things go thank you uh pastor chambers

00:43:23.040 --> 00:43:30.000
 i can't hear we can't hear you got it thank you guys so uh i'm very excited to be part of

00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:36.640
 this committee let me first say i think the den police department and chief dixon is doing a

00:43:36.640 --> 00:43:42.640
 wonderful job uh but there's always room uh for growth there's always room for change and so i'm

00:43:42.640 --> 00:43:48.880
 here uh to be an advocate um so that we have a better police department so i'm grateful

00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:53.760
 uh to be on the committee and thank you so much thank you travis

00:43:53.760 --> 00:44:06.720
 hello okay okay thank you um so my i was approached um and asked to be on the committee

00:44:06.720 --> 00:44:13.440
 as well i guess from uh you know to to share my perspective uh and one of the main reasons why

00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:21.520
 i chose to be on the committee because i wanted to i wanted to hear the community um that's part of

00:44:21.520 --> 00:44:28.800
 the reason why i got into law enforcement because i've been a police officer now for four years i've

00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:35.200
 been a black man obviously longer than four years so i know kind of both sides of where everybody's

00:44:35.200 --> 00:44:43.200
 coming from um one of my goals and my plans was when joining the police department was to

00:44:43.200 --> 00:44:51.520
 provide a positive impact on children's lives particularly minority children uh to speak to

00:44:51.520 --> 00:44:58.160
 mrs rick's point um since since being a police officer i have been involved in the school

00:44:58.160 --> 00:45:05.440
 districts i've participated in the elementary schools uh you know doing uh lunch with a leader

00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:11.840
 with the schools uh reading to the students and things like that so i've been active as far as

00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:19.760
 trying to you know reach out to the community reach out to children um as ms rich stated earlier i do

00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:25.200
 believe reaching out to the children is where where change starts uh and and giving children

00:45:25.200 --> 00:45:33.520
 a positive uh impact with police officers and a positive experience prior to um typically when

00:45:33.520 --> 00:45:39.040
 when children are impacted by police officers is using in a negative light uh and it doesn't even

00:45:39.040 --> 00:45:44.320
 have to be anything violent uh you know a family member going to jail it could be a car accident

00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:52.640
 you know so which could still be a a tragic incident and so police are i guess linked up with

00:45:52.640 --> 00:45:57.600
 tragedy because that's typically when you see a police officer you don't see police officers when

00:45:57.600 --> 00:46:02.720
 you know when everything is is good and and everything is peaceful you know so that that's

00:46:02.720 --> 00:46:08.160
 one of the reasons why what got meant to law enforcement and then also to be a part of this

00:46:08.160 --> 00:46:15.520
 this committee and then uh lastly i think um i think uh yance you may have mentioned you know

00:46:15.520 --> 00:46:21.200
 about lumping everybody together in the group you know and uh and i agree with that you know

00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:28.800
 there's there's bad people in all professions in the world but law enforcement is the only profession

00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:38.000
 that when one person does bad the entire profession is frowned upon um there's doctors and lawyers that

00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:46.400
 malpractice and you know doctors take a patient's life and we're not out in the streets and

00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:53.360
 protesting the medical field you know there are bad teachers that have inappropriate relationships

00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:59.520
 with students and that one teacher may be apprehended and brought to justice we don't and

00:46:59.520 --> 00:47:07.520
 then we sent our students to school to go see that teacher the next day so again that that's been my

00:47:07.520 --> 00:47:14.400
 mission is just to show a different side of law enforcement and you know to hopefully bring a

00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:21.520
 positive change to to denton texas and show our community that you know what we see on the news

00:47:21.520 --> 00:47:27.520
 and other cities or other states that's not always the case and you know that's why i wanted to be a

00:47:27.520 --> 00:47:33.520
 part of this committee and a part of this community and the police department thank you thank you

00:47:33.520 --> 00:47:37.280
 did i miss anybody

00:47:42.160 --> 00:47:51.280
 well i guess it's my turn then huh um my experience is a little different um i'm

00:47:51.280 --> 00:48:00.160
 from los angeles which is a much larger city um than denton texas of course um my father

00:48:00.160 --> 00:48:07.520
 was a military police his whole career after 20 years of the military was in policing

00:48:08.560 --> 00:48:16.160
 until he retired from uh being a regional supervisor for alcohol beverage control in

00:48:16.160 --> 00:48:24.640
 new orleans my stepdad was a la county detective for uh for the sheriff's department um and i grew

00:48:24.640 --> 00:48:35.040
 up in south central la so i i've seen police on both sides um my experiences with the police

00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:42.800
 have been on both sides they're good cops and i've seen bad cops i've seen good white cops

00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:51.360
 and black cops and i've seen bad white and black cops um and so i was in um i didn't move to dent

00:48:51.360 --> 00:49:02.400
 until 2002 i was there for the rodney king um i was there uh when the city was on fire um the

00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:11.360
 reginald denny incident happened 20 blocks from where i lived um i so i i lived one part of where

00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:21.760
 i lived um it was different set of crips so my experiences um with the police department

00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:26.560
 have been a little different as i mentioned last week when we had a caller talk about pcp

00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:34.160
 we did have a gentleman who um broken our house in the middle of the night and he was on pcp

00:49:34.160 --> 00:49:45.600
 um and we fought him um my mom and i and then she shot him and um and he still kept walking after

00:49:45.600 --> 00:49:54.160
 um being shot twice so um you know we all come with different experiences

00:49:54.880 --> 00:50:04.320
 good badder and different um so i try to stay proactive um since i got to denton i became um

00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:10.800
 i have three kids who've gone through didn't isd so i became active in the schools i ran for school

00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:19.520
 board and i've served on many boards and have been active in the community i'm also on the advisory

00:50:19.520 --> 00:50:28.640
 board for the police academy so the said training that um that everybody talks about is one of the

00:50:28.640 --> 00:50:36.160
 things that we talk about when we meet what the community is concerned about where can we add more

00:50:36.160 --> 00:50:46.400
 training um to implement for for the officers to go through and things of that nature so um i've had

00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:53.840
 some experiences here um in denton with the police department but at the same and and they've been

00:50:53.840 --> 00:51:00.160
 favorable and some haven't been a couple haven't been but um when you're involved you know the

00:51:00.160 --> 00:51:08.640
 right people to talk to and and that's what i did so i continue to be uh in the community

00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:16.880
 and working with the community because um not all police are bad i come in from the city that i came

00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:25.840
 from um and come in here and looking at these issues um some of them are very minute um compared

00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:33.840
 to uh la pd and the sheriff's department and although nobody is exempt from having problems

00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:40.640
 with police or any other agency um they do exist and they can always get better and that that is

00:51:40.640 --> 00:51:56.000
 why i stay involved in my community hey katina hey there i'm sorry i'm i've been listening in but

00:51:56.000 --> 00:52:04.560
 um i was driving so that's okay we're glad you're here yeah um but i just wanted to chime in i guess

00:52:04.560 --> 00:52:11.280
 i'm the last person um i was asked to be on the committee by the mayor um myself and my husband

00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:19.600
 um jamal um and i'm originally from memphis tennessee and i'm from the infamous orange mound

00:52:19.600 --> 00:52:27.120
 which is the oldest african-american community um in the country that was actually built to be

00:52:27.120 --> 00:52:32.960
 specifically an african-american community and we've gone through um all the things the you know

00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:38.160
 from being a thriving community where our teachers and doctors and lawyers lived in our neighborhood

00:52:38.160 --> 00:52:47.200
 to then um it being crime-ridden because of the war on drugs and just politics and three strikes

00:52:47.200 --> 00:52:55.600
 you're out in criminalization of black and brown people to now being gentrified um and you know

00:52:55.600 --> 00:53:01.440
 people that have been in the neighborhood for generations like my family um are experiencing

00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:10.080
 what gentrification looks like i um came to unt as a school of music student i also attended the

00:53:10.080 --> 00:53:15.920
 university of memphis that was my when i graduated from high school i went to um university of memphis

00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:25.680
 go tigers um and i've been a lot like sure i've had positive experiences with the police and

00:53:25.680 --> 00:53:31.600
 negative i mean um on the university of memphis campus there were many african-american officers

00:53:31.600 --> 00:53:38.160
 and that's one of them taught me how to parallel park i mean i have police officers in my family

00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:46.480
 i have uh negative experiences with black officers with white officers and for me i have you know i

00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:55.680
 have we have three sons um 22 15 and 13 that we have raised all in denton because once we got to

00:53:55.680 --> 00:54:00.960
 denton once i got to denton and then my husband followed a year later from university of arkansas

00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:08.480
 and then we married a year after that um we decided to stay and make denton home and it's been

00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:15.200
 hard for me um because my kids are often the only black kids in white spaces and there are

00:54:15.200 --> 00:54:22.960
 not many welcoming spaces for black kids and then there's such a polarization that black kids like

00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:31.280
 my black kids who are you know nerdy and geeky and like japanese and like anime and skateboard

00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:38.720
 and you know all the different things they they they they're in this middle space where they're displaced

00:54:38.720 --> 00:54:47.440
 um from just so many different cultures and so you know we've had to wrestle with that in my um

00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:56.160
 i just want equality i mean it for me it's not about liking the police or not liking the police

00:54:56.160 --> 00:55:01.840
 because the police officers i know are and that we have relationship with their phenomenal people

00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:08.640
 um i just think that there's a system of injustice that african-american people by and large are being

00:55:08.640 --> 00:55:15.360
 impacted by and and because i'm black i'm a black woman i have black sons i just want a better

00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:21.120
 future for them i want them you know my oldest son has been pulled over by the cops handcuffed

00:55:21.120 --> 00:55:28.480
 in denton um and treated horribly and i and and you know he he is upstanding in all the you know

00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:33.920
 but because he's tall and black and has dreadlocks you know we've been pulled over in front of our

00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:38.560
 own home and asked what we were doing in our own neighborhood and that was the only reason why we

00:55:38.560 --> 00:55:47.280
 were pulled over so um i don't look at you know i know the gentleman was saying that uh the profession

00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:54.800
 of police work is the only one where people are um once once a bad cop does something all of them

00:55:54.800 --> 00:56:00.080
 are are aligned i think that's in every profession i'm in health care and i see that with doctors i

00:56:00.080 --> 00:56:09.760
 see that with teachers i do see that with various professions but the police profession it's a very

00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:16.240
 powerful one it's there's a strong power structure um that has been historical that has been

00:56:16.240 --> 00:56:23.600
 generational um that has lasted for centuries and that was established to oppress people um and a

00:56:23.600 --> 00:56:30.640
 lot of those policies before black officers could even become black officers there's a good old boy

00:56:30.640 --> 00:56:38.480
 system that needs to be dismantled and i mean you know it and that's the way i see it it's not even

00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:44.080
 about the race of the officers it's that it's a system that needs to be dismantled and when i say

00:56:44.080 --> 00:56:49.280
 dismantled i mean i'm just saying assess and evaluate it to where people groups aren't

00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:58.000
 criminalized so that's why i'm here um i was asked and i do work in the community independently

00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:05.760
 um i love dent and i love black dent and i just want to see equality and equity and i want black

00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:13.040
 boys to respect the police officers i want them to have um to see police officers and not be afraid

00:57:13.040 --> 00:57:20.400
 because of everything that's been going on in our country and india thank you katina

00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:33.120
 sarah did you want to um i think did you have something you wanted to talk about the next

00:57:33.120 --> 00:57:40.960
 sure if you want to move into item d yes okay do you want to call item d we're going to move

00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:47.600
 into item d and uh sarah's gonna bring that presentation or come forward with that

00:57:47.600 --> 00:57:56.160
 um so item d um just wanted to review there are four meetings left for the committee um they are

00:57:56.160 --> 00:58:03.520
 to be held on august 13th august 20th september 3rd and september 10th um just by way of reminder

00:58:03.520 --> 00:58:10.960
 august 20th will be that second public input session um so on august 13th um we'll review

00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:15.600
 the remaining policies that chief dixon had referenced if there are any other topics or

00:58:15.600 --> 00:58:21.440
 information that the committee wants to hear or learn about i'd ask that you get those to us asap

00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:26.160
 so we can plan to get you that information as quickly as possible as the committee

00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:34.000
 we'll have to start moving into the next stages of forming recommendations common areas where you

00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:39.840
 can talk and have a discussion about what you'd like to bring forward in terms of findings or

00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:46.560
 recommendations to city council as a tool to maybe help the discussion to help the committee move

00:58:46.560 --> 00:58:53.200
 forward we did send out a survey by email earlier this week for committee members to just indicate

00:58:53.200 --> 00:58:59.280
 three areas where you have an interest in discussing further where you think there should

00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:05.520
 be changes where you think there really needs to be more attention or discussion too and then maybe

00:59:05.520 --> 00:59:11.120
 staff we could try to identify some commonalities for the committee to at least have a starting

00:59:11.120 --> 00:59:17.200
 point for discussion that doesn't limit it that you could have additional topics just trying to

00:59:17.200 --> 00:59:22.160
 give you a starting point of maybe what are some common interests amongst all of the committee

00:59:22.160 --> 00:59:30.400
 members may i ask a clarifying question so i read all the policies for tonight but i must have missed

00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:37.040
 the survey did it come in the same email as all the policies and agenda for tonight it did i can

00:59:37.040 --> 00:59:42.240
 resend it again to the committee that just means i didn't pay enough attention i'm sorry no it's

00:59:42.240 --> 00:59:50.000
 okay i'm sending out a lot of email if you could resend it separately sarah um so yeah maybe it got

00:59:50.000 --> 01:00:00.000
 caught up in the other stuff that'd be great will do i have a like i guess not logistical

01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:07.680
 but like a clarifying question also are we it sounds to me i'm digesting the information it

01:00:07.680 --> 01:00:16.000
 sounds to me like um we're going to come to one of these meetings with our individual recommendations

01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:23.360
 for changes and also submit some in the survey and then review them all together as a group to

01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:29.600
 come up with one collective thing we want to push forward or how are we getting like a collective

01:00:29.600 --> 01:00:37.040
 voice on the the report or the suggested edits or changes that we're having i guess is what i'm asking

01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:46.080
 sure so or the survey that we had sent out would kind of be a first tool for the committee to use

01:00:46.080 --> 01:00:51.600
 where you could all set send in your individual input we'd provide a copy of all of that to all

01:00:51.600 --> 01:00:56.640
 of the committee members i propose not to put names next to it we're collecting that just to

01:00:56.640 --> 01:01:01.600
 make sure we get it from each committee member but kind of send that out to help you identify

01:01:01.600 --> 01:01:06.560
 where are the areas where you want to discuss develop some recommendations you could direct

01:01:07.680 --> 01:01:11.120
 there's a number of different ways it could be handled in terms of drafting a report

01:01:11.120 --> 01:01:18.160
 for the committee to then review you could direct staff to draft some language in a report a

01:01:18.160 --> 01:01:26.320
 committee member could you know it usually that's how that occurs is you direct staff so let's say

01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:34.480
 you know by august 20th or september 3rd you're having some commonalities or things

01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:39.600
 you could direct staff to come back so that you can review it on the third or the tenth as a committee

01:01:39.600 --> 01:01:46.560
 and todd i don't know if you have anything else you want to add to that

01:01:46.560 --> 01:01:52.400
 i think one of the other processes is going on is chief dixon i've been working for the last several

01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:59.200
 months on analysis of staffing for the police department call loads there's clearly some areas

01:01:59.200 --> 01:02:04.160
 there where calls are getting stacked that we're trying to figure out what what that business model

01:02:04.160 --> 01:02:11.120
 needs to look like he's also been working and developing a plan for introducing a social work

01:02:11.120 --> 01:02:16.240
 group into the police department that would accompany be accompanied by a planes close

01:02:16.240 --> 01:02:22.480
 officers trying to continue uh you know bringing forth just a different approach to some of the

01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:26.000
 calls that we've got so we've got some ideas that we're going to be starting to vet with the city

01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:31.440
 council next week as we're preparing the the upcoming budget i wanted to be pretty careful

01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:36.080
 though about making sure that we aren't influencing the committee if there's if there's

01:02:36.080 --> 01:02:41.200
 if there's policies that you've seen if there's in these updates that you just don't think it's

01:02:41.200 --> 01:02:48.320
 clear enough you think we're lacking training you've got questions about do we are we putting enough

01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:54.560
 emphasis enough dollars in helping our officers acquire certain skills we'd like to give you the

01:02:54.560 --> 01:03:00.000
 the floor to to make those suggestions ask those questions so it doesn't look like we're in any way

01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:06.880
 slanting uh your ideas but i think at some point i would also like to uh bring forward and kind of

01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:11.440
 lay out for the committee what our thoughts are in terms of incremental upgrades well but i i really

01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:18.400
 like the idea of kind of giving you the opportunity just to to formulate your own uh issues if you feel

01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:22.160
 like there's still concerns out there that we haven't hit policies that you don't feel like

01:03:22.160 --> 01:03:27.120
 we've addressed properly we'd love to we'd love to hear that um and then we i would also like to

01:03:27.120 --> 01:03:33.120
 run by some of our ideas and you may say hey that's we disagree or that's not going far enough and

01:03:33.120 --> 01:03:38.480
 that's kind of what this committee was about is is trying to deal with uh how force is used and

01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:42.640
 avoided and you know how with the training tools that we're providing with our officers can be

01:03:42.640 --> 01:03:48.080
 enhanced and it's all it all sort of fits together but i don't want to i don't want the committee to

01:03:48.080 --> 01:03:55.520
 be accused that that we we've come in in in some way altered your thinking so i i would anticipate

01:03:55.520 --> 01:04:02.640
 kind of giving the committee two or three meetings before we do that um gary and then jamie thank you

01:04:02.640 --> 01:04:09.920
 todd yeah thank you cheryl uh along the lines of the city manager's comments i found it interesting

01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:16.800
 when we went through the use of force simulation we went through it in pairs but what was described

01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:23.760
 to our group was that most often a denton police officer would arrive on a scene alone more often

01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:29.120
 than not i would be interested to know how often that truly happens because i think it ties back to

01:04:29.120 --> 01:04:35.920
 a staffing level a budget a budget thing and use of force when you're arriving alone to me as a

01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:42.720
 layperson seems like it looks differently when you arrive alone as opposed to when you arrive in pairs

01:04:42.720 --> 01:04:48.880
 so i think you you could kind of help us with that jamie

01:04:53.760 --> 01:05:01.040
 had to find my it's okay um so over the course of our meetings i've been taking my own notes about

01:05:01.040 --> 01:05:07.120
 some of the themes that i'm seeing emerge and i think we all are doing the same um but it occurs

01:05:07.120 --> 01:05:14.480
 to me that some of the recommendations i would like to make or learn more about do have financial

01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:20.800
 initially financial implications so things like added uh behavioral health and social work

01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:25.600
 professionals working in conjunction with the police which i know we've started that program and

01:05:25.600 --> 01:05:33.120
 we want to expand it um additionally education for your officers um statistical transparency about

01:05:33.120 --> 01:05:38.000
 the types of use of force and some of the aggregate data that we have been shared being

01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:45.280
 available publicly um on a consistent basis through the website and things like that so that all of

01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:50.880
 those things the communications the staffing they all have financial implications potentially

01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:55.200
 and so hearing you say that you guys are also working on the budgets and planning and moving

01:05:55.200 --> 01:06:01.600
 forward i don't want this committee's recommendations to kind of miss the mark on that timeline

01:06:01.600 --> 01:06:08.560
 of if we do have recommendations that are gonna be financial in nature how are they gonna come up

01:06:08.560 --> 01:06:15.120
 against the budget process and your approval process with the city council uh we we will do a

01:06:15.120 --> 01:06:20.560
 quick overview on i guess i won't say quick uh but we'll do an overview on monday of the staffing

01:06:20.560 --> 01:06:26.160
 study that we um we've had recently completed that uh we're kind of doing a 10-year look on what the

01:06:26.160 --> 01:06:31.600
 call load on our department is and it's identified some issues in terms of added resources of patrol

01:06:31.600 --> 01:06:38.800
 and in investigations um there's there's always opportunities to expand the training budget and

01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:43.520
 one of the things that i've worked with chiefs uh very closely with is he's come in started

01:06:43.520 --> 01:06:48.480
 identifying policies identifying identifying areas where where additional training might be needed

01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:53.840
 from a safety perspective we just get it done if if you feel like that there's certain trainings

01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:58.400
 you'd like to see integrated into the coursework bring them up let us deal with the financial

01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:03.440
 issues um i doubt that there's going to be that you know training is not going to break our budget

01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:07.520
 um so if there's stuff like that that you'd like to see and we need to kick around we are

01:07:07.520 --> 01:07:12.880
 happy to integrate it and we've got about three or four weeks left to keep altering our proposals

01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:17.520
 and we are happy to do that ronda

01:07:21.040 --> 01:07:31.040
 where'd you go okay um sorry i'll be embarrassed if somebody tells me we've already seen this but

01:07:31.040 --> 01:07:38.640
 uh have we actually seen the uh training curriculum for the officers like day one you study this day

01:07:38.640 --> 01:07:49.200
 two this because if we have it i would like to um we can bring that for the next the next meeting

01:07:51.040 --> 01:07:59.440
 um just to kind of tag um onto what jaime was saying i know that we've kind of as we've gone

01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:04.320
 through some of the policy together i think it was in the first meeting and maybe the second

01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:12.800
 meeting um the slideshow presentations by the officers um by chief dixon um i know that we've

01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:18.640
 been asking questions and kind of digging into some of that along the way it's something that

01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:23.920
 we can revisit those things or should we just kind of just everybody individually be keeping up with

01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:33.520
 their own um their own notes to present at a at a a different time no i think sarah's keeping

01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:42.480
 are you keeping records sarah because each of these um each of these meetings are recorded

01:08:43.120 --> 01:08:48.720
 so we can go back yes and then we've been keeping some notes of some requests that were made for

01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:54.240
 example um what's in the control of the city versus the county versus you know state legislation

01:08:54.240 --> 01:08:58.960
 but if there are items that you would like to see it's very helpful if you send those in again if

01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:04.080
 you had your own things especially through that survey that we'll be sending out um that would

01:09:04.080 --> 01:09:10.000
 be helpful as well but and specifically the things that there were a couple of other things that

01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:15.200
 there were questions about and where we kind of i don't know um kind of went back and forth about

01:09:15.200 --> 01:09:22.240
 will we be revisiting that or i i mean does that make sense will we be going back to those specific

01:09:22.240 --> 01:09:29.040
 points um to review are we just everybody just needs to do their survey and individual stuff

01:09:29.040 --> 01:09:34.160
 i'm sorry if i'm asking the same thing are you talking about the statistics that we reviewed

01:09:34.160 --> 01:09:37.920
 katina just so i understand or was there different policies that you were talking about

01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:46.560
 a policy that we had some discussion about where there was word change sort of recommendation that

01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:52.240
 was in the first meeting some comments that lillian was making about some things to advise language

01:09:52.240 --> 01:09:58.960
 i don't think we have revisited that particular policy um but that was i think to my recollection

01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:03.600
 one of the only ones where we had some pretty specific word change potential word change

01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:08.800
 recommendations we haven't really had that um in as many but it was that first meeting where we

01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:15.840
 reviewed policy and i think we didn't if we did receive those policies in advance i don't recall

01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:21.040
 doing that um so it might be helpful just to send that out a second time so that when we're filling

01:10:21.040 --> 01:10:29.760
 out the survey we can highlight amongst ourselves um that space i don't know if that's okay excellent

01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:40.320
 what jamie said thank you antelope um in addition to the training that the officers see receive when

01:10:40.320 --> 01:10:46.800
 they first come into the profession i'm really interested in the ongoing training um that officers

01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:55.360
 receive from year to year or um you know if you get training in your first year and then you go

01:10:55.360 --> 01:10:59.520
 on and on and on you kind of forget that training so i'm just more interested in the ongoing and

01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:05.600
 how often those trainings come up specifically as it relates to understanding the differences in

01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:13.280
 cultural diversities of the people that you're going to be interacting with so i think um i

01:11:13.280 --> 01:11:20.000
 think that would be on the committee that i'm on so you know you know all the all the trainings

01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:27.680
 it's easy to get so we can get that from that that the academy and the additional training that the

01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:35.360
 officers have to get that is required for continued continuing education and then um what other

01:11:35.360 --> 01:11:42.800
 training that we suggest and they implement that come from the community as well

01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:45.280
 chief dixon we can get that right

01:11:45.280 --> 01:11:52.960
 yes you can we'll have it for you okay thank you that we already have it pretty much

01:11:52.960 --> 01:12:02.480
 done that's what i thought thank you yes jamie i did have one sort of statistic that i'm interested

01:12:02.480 --> 01:12:07.440
 in and if i'm alone that's fine we can ignore it but it was in regards to the public comments

01:12:07.440 --> 01:12:15.760
 that were made last week about um just whether or not folks are communicating through the non-emergency

01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:21.600
 line and how many calls of the potential like an mhmr type call is coming through the emergency

01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:26.320
 line and how those are answered and you spoke chief sticks in a little bit to like how you've

01:12:26.320 --> 01:12:31.200
 changed that up during covet times and things like that but i would be interested in statistically

01:12:31.200 --> 01:12:39.200
 kind of understanding how many use of force um or it calls that result in a use of force come

01:12:39.200 --> 01:12:45.680
 through 911 versus non-emergency well they're all answered by the same people so they all essentially

01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:50.880
 go to the same place so i don't i don't know if we would be able to really break that down

01:12:52.240 --> 01:12:56.880
 so the the individual that was calling in was just sort of talking about how it's

01:12:56.880 --> 01:13:03.680
 it in that one person's opinion it was difficult to address issues before they escalate and kind of

01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:11.520
 um how they're routed in the training that happens there so in uh in the training kind

01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:15.520
 of information that we're going to receive is that going to include anything related to dispatch

01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:21.280
 or is that only for your folks on the street um we can look at the dispatch training what they

01:13:21.280 --> 01:13:27.680
 receive over there one of the things that we're working on now as we start incrementally bringing

01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:33.360
 in the new mental health unit is getting some improved mental health training for dispatch

01:13:33.360 --> 01:13:38.720
 because oftentimes that's really where the gap is it's a transfer of information like we're sitting

01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:43.920
 here and i tell you you know the banana is yellow and by the time it gets to the end of the chain

01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:48.080
 it's probably changed colors two or three times so it's really that gap we're trying to close

01:13:48.080 --> 01:13:55.280
 and i think uh we're moving down a really creative road that is going to bring us a

01:13:55.280 --> 01:14:04.880
 lot of benefit i think okay any um anybody else have anything

01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:18.080
 go ahead donna so after the 15th will we be reconvening um so what will we be discussing

01:14:18.080 --> 01:14:25.040
 i kind of just wanted to know what the end goal of our committee is and um what will be

01:14:25.040 --> 01:14:31.520
 if you're able to answer this question what will we um be discussing in our last couple of meetings

01:14:33.200 --> 01:14:38.720
 i think the ultimate wrap-up for the committee would be you know some programmatic changes that

01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:44.320
 we're looking maybe some policy changes training changes if there is specific as jamie brought up

01:14:44.320 --> 01:14:50.880
 if there's specific changes to wording and certain policies that we're looking at kind of looking at

01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:56.880
 just sort of a holistic report back to the back to the city council and and i would still like

01:14:56.880 --> 01:15:02.160
 towards the end after we get your questions answered on training that sort of thing to run

01:15:02.160 --> 01:15:06.000
 some ideas that chiefs got by we've been listening to the committee and how you're absorbing

01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:12.160
 information uh particularly statistical information and he's and chiefs been working with his staff on

01:15:12.160 --> 01:15:17.440
 a completely different way of communicating with the public showing that outward facing information

01:15:17.440 --> 01:15:24.320
 so it's been interesting to hear what you want to see how you want to see it um so you know but again

01:15:24.320 --> 01:15:29.680
 i'm trying not to in any way jade the you know air cloud the lens you're looking through right

01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:33.840
 now until we can get your your input back but i would like to kind of run through some of the

01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:38.240
 ideas we've got that we're going to be moving forward with compartmentalize any changes to

01:15:38.240 --> 01:15:44.160
 policy you know suggestions you have whether there's a price tag or not and we'll we'll formulate

01:15:44.160 --> 01:15:49.520
 that in a report back to the council so we'll have a staffing study update she's work on overhauling

01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:55.440
 all the policies there's additional um questions and suggestions you have and then we will work

01:15:55.440 --> 01:16:00.880
 these plans and it gives it gives him and his command staff it's sort of a contract with the

01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:05.520
 community how we're going to move forward thank you

01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:16.960
 go ahead camya i just wanted to follow up uh have a follow-up question to that question which is

01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:24.000
 um as a committee that helped like create a recommendation i understand it's a recommendation

01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:31.360
 it's not necessarily that the city or the mayor will adopt all of the recommendations that we

01:16:31.360 --> 01:16:38.320
 provide um we're hopeful that they will but will we be looped back in at the end to know

01:16:38.320 --> 01:16:46.880
 what the outcome was like this is the product of what happened this is what we the finalized

01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:50.480
 product i was just wondering if we were going to be looking back in i don't know how long that

01:16:50.480 --> 01:16:58.240
 take we can absolutely probably have a a wrap-up report back to you sometime in in october november

01:16:58.240 --> 01:17:03.520
 you know what we've recommended what made its way into the budget what policy changes were involved

01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:07.440
 and what the next year looks like as a result of all these collective efforts and that way you've

01:17:07.440 --> 01:17:12.400
 got something that you know is kind of a hard takeaway that shows the the work and the input

01:17:12.400 --> 01:17:17.760
 that you provided with us but that was absolutely the reason is we wanted we just wanted different

01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:22.640
 eyes different viewpoints on on how we're doing business so we're happy to put that together

01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:32.160
 jeremy i'm gonna say before i ask my question that i am hesitant to ask it i was wishing someone else

01:17:32.160 --> 01:17:37.600
 would so i wouldn't have to but i'm gonna ask it anyway and it's really a question for you michael

01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:45.680
 and it's i'd like to understand the spaces where it would be or would not be legal for the city of

01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:53.520
 denton to consider a citizen oversight um either process or committee or board where we would sort

01:17:53.520 --> 01:18:02.160
 of be allowed to stand in that space and where it is not permitted yeah that's a very complicated

01:18:02.160 --> 01:18:10.480
 issue that i've dealt with for 20 years in austin my thought would be i'd like i personally would

01:18:10.480 --> 01:18:19.280
 like the committee to recommend and try to stop me if i'm going too far but if you want some form of

01:18:19.280 --> 01:18:25.760
 oversight how do you envision that because i can come up with a process that i think works but i

01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:31.040
 don't know if that's what the community or the city management wants so if you think there's some

01:18:31.040 --> 01:18:39.280
 type of oversight that you want tell us what that is is that a person that works for the city is that

01:18:39.280 --> 01:18:45.920
 an independent board is that who appoints that person what powers do you think they should have

01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:53.120
 because what's legal under state law and under the contract is really going to depend on

01:18:53.120 --> 01:18:59.600
 how that process is structured so i think we we'd like you to to give us some thoughts about how you

01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:06.800
 envision an oversight process working so while i very much respect that answer i don't know that

01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:13.040
 i'm qualified or that any of us maybe are qualified to start sketching that out in a way that would be

01:19:13.040 --> 01:19:20.720
 operational and so i guess my follow-up question would be i'm curious nationally across the country

01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:25.920
 what are some of the options that are being deployed right wrong or indifferent i'd like to

01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:31.360
 kind of see where cities have stepped in the space so i can decide what i like about what they're

01:19:31.360 --> 01:19:36.960
 doing or don't think will work for denton because our police department handles things differently

01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:41.920
 and we have different information that we've been exposed to so i am curious about a minimum you

01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:47.680
 could provide some examples or the city could and i understand you don't want to steer us in one

01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:52.560
 particular direction or another but maybe our committee could review all of them and make

01:19:52.560 --> 01:19:59.440
 pick and shoot cherry pick the things we agree to or not let me uh let me have the chief address

01:19:59.440 --> 01:20:03.360
 this yeah we've got a meeting i think scheduled next week don't we chief

01:20:03.360 --> 01:20:10.960
 so part of that conversation that we're having just so you all know is

01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:16.800
 i'm kind of laying out the the roadwork because i've worked around citizens review panels so i'm

01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:23.840
 used to them i understand them so i'm bringing in a couple of people professionals from a national

01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:30.000
 organization for police oversight so they can have a discussion directly with us as city leadership

01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:35.760
 on just the questions that you're talking about right now jamie kind of how do you properly

01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:41.200
 implement one because there's a there's a number of hours of training that that board have to go

01:20:41.200 --> 01:20:46.400
 through a vetting process what does that look like what that final product look like to the community

01:20:46.400 --> 01:20:52.320
 right so proactively we're going out and we're getting that information now to work towards

01:20:52.320 --> 01:20:59.360
 because you know what we don't want to do is to be a example of what not to do for another city

01:20:59.360 --> 01:21:05.600
 we want to be an example of what works and one other thing i'll say is what

01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:10.720
 what works in los angeles or new york may not necessarily work here because

01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:18.000
 we have certain state laws that we have to follow that may not be in another state and we have a

01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:25.760
 i mean confer agreement so it's not a one-size-fits-all and jamie i think to your point we've

01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:30.560
 been talking through you know putting two or three different ways that this could be handled

01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:39.520
 and we could potentially have some involvement legally under chapter 143 and under the meat

01:21:39.520 --> 01:21:43.840
 confer agreement there was i know there was a question last last week about going into all the

01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:48.880
 detail of these policies and and the state laws and that sort of thing we just wanted to try to

01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:54.480
 give the committee some idea of just how constrained and confined we are under these laws so but there

01:21:54.480 --> 01:21:59.840
 is probably a way to provide you two or three options of you know places that it could work

01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:04.880
 and so we'd like to if the committee wants us to bring some ideas to you to kick around

01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:10.480
 that we think are legally defensible we can do that but like michael says i i don't think it's

01:22:10.480 --> 01:22:16.160
 fair to necessarily throw everything back on the committee because you're just not experts in that

01:22:16.160 --> 01:22:20.880
 area but we can we can formulate some ideas for you to kick around that we think that work and

01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:25.120
 that would be useful to the committee and the department as well trying to be as non-defensive

01:22:25.120 --> 01:22:35.840
 as possible about it gary on this topic and really going back to yancey your comments at the beginning

01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:40.800
 which i thought were outstanding i know i have very little knowledge on this topic that we're

01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:45.440
 discussing right now but i would love to hear where yancey weighs in and what his thoughts would be

01:22:45.440 --> 01:22:50.800
 and i think it's the wisdom of the city council and how they built this committee with a diverse

01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:55.680
 set of skills and expertise so yancey i applaud you for what you said at the beginning i'm going to

01:22:55.680 --> 01:23:01.200
 actually ask you if you could step in and help some of us who don't have your professional experience

01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:11.120
 in the area that jamie's bring bringing up so i will always welcome whatever the community

01:23:11.120 --> 01:23:18.000
 recommends but like back to what michael said because denton is unique and we fall under

01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:24.720
 chapter 143 so what might work in i wouldn't even say another state i mean another state i'll say

01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:30.960
 even another city in texas not all cities in texas fall under chapter 143 so we have the

01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:37.120
 meet and confer agreement and we have 143 that we have to follow up under so i'll applaud the

01:23:37.120 --> 01:23:42.880
 chief as well as the city already stepping out trying to seek professional help because we feel

01:23:42.880 --> 01:23:48.880
 like that is possibly coming but what is the legal in the right way that is going to actually

01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:53.680
 tailor to the city of denton because just because we come up with a recommendation

01:23:53.680 --> 01:24:01.520
 as a committee that may not fit the state law so then the committee will be you know well my

01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:05.520
 recommendation wasn't good enough or they might even throw it back well the police association

01:24:05.520 --> 01:24:10.160
 may have had an influence in that so that's the reason why the police didn't move forward

01:24:10.160 --> 01:24:15.280
 it don't have to do with the police association it's dealing with meet confer and the 143

01:24:15.280 --> 01:24:19.280
 so i hope that answers your question thank you yancey

01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:25.440
 before we wrap up um does anybody have anything else

01:24:25.440 --> 01:24:28.480
 ronda

01:24:28.480 --> 01:24:35.280
 can't hear you ronda where'd you go i don't know every time i

01:24:35.280 --> 01:24:49.440
 i'm curious if we know uh the impact of education prior to coming into police training if that has

01:24:49.440 --> 01:24:55.120
 any impact on an officer's use of inappropriate force

01:24:55.120 --> 01:25:05.440
 do you understand the question so do officers who come in yeah i understand there's actually

01:25:05.440 --> 01:25:10.080
 some police departments that require a bachelor's degree before you're hired and i will tell you

01:25:10.080 --> 01:25:18.320
 that there isn't a big gap in that okay that's what i would have guessed it's got to have more

01:25:18.320 --> 01:25:23.040
 to do with the with the training that the police get as a police officer but i'm serious thank you

01:25:23.040 --> 01:25:32.160
 i have a comment yes madam chair yes sir there were some events that occurred in

01:25:32.160 --> 01:25:42.480
 minnesota that um and then other communities around the country that precipitated uh the

01:25:42.480 --> 01:25:52.400
 creation of this committee and so i know that i'll say i know i believe that when it was created we

01:25:52.400 --> 01:26:02.000
 wanted to make sure that if we faced a situation that was quite difficult that we had policies

01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:07.360
 and procedures and training in place to do a better job than what was done in minnesota

01:26:08.640 --> 01:26:14.240
 so my my question slash comment concern is this once we get through this process

01:26:14.240 --> 01:26:25.600
 will we feel that we have adequately prepared ourselves not to become a minneapolis

01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:37.120
 i'm not expecting an answer i'm just saying that's that's kind of what's in me is we're

01:26:37.120 --> 01:26:44.000
 going to go through all of this and then at the end will we feel that all of we've all that we've

01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:50.080
 gone through all we discussed all that we've addressed will it get us to where we feel that

01:26:50.080 --> 01:26:57.520
 we're better prepared than those folks were in minnesota katina

01:26:57.520 --> 01:27:06.000
 forgot okay you can go to mr william i had a brain fart sorry i'll if i think of it again i'll

01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:18.480
 come back yes willy okay we can't hear you and i can't i can barely see you there you go there you

01:27:18.480 --> 01:27:31.120
 go game on you hey i'm going to hold on just some background noise here got to turn one of

01:27:31.120 --> 01:27:35.040
 your devices off you got to turn your phone off if you're going to be on your computer you can't

01:27:35.040 --> 01:27:44.240
 have both unmuted okay okay there we go oh she's doing it again

01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:10.480
 there we go that's it right there there you go okay can you hear me now can't hear me

01:28:10.480 --> 01:28:19.280
 we can hear you hear me now yes yes yes yes can't hear me yes we can hear you

01:28:19.280 --> 01:28:25.920
 willy we can hear you willy

01:28:31.200 --> 01:28:34.080
 willy we can hear you

01:28:34.080 --> 01:28:41.520
 we can hear you just fine oh yeah we can hear you

01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:49.520
 willy we can hear you

01:28:56.240 --> 01:29:01.680
 where'd it go willy we can hear you

01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:08.080
 ah i can't find it somewhere

01:29:08.080 --> 01:29:20.800
 hey we can hear you we can hear you we can hear you mr willy somebody text him i am i think he

01:29:20.800 --> 01:29:30.720
 turned off that's okay that's okay you gotta okay i finally got a smile out of chief dixon though

01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:34.720
 i'm trying i'm trying not to you

01:29:34.720 --> 01:29:44.320
 uh katina go ahead i'm gonna call willy if uh someone asked an interesting question about um

01:29:44.320 --> 01:29:50.320
 education and so it made me think about something is there it has there been research or studies

01:29:50.320 --> 01:29:59.200
 about um the profile of officers who are um getting um disciplined for excessive force

01:29:59.200 --> 01:30:05.920
 is there has there been data that's being been collected about maybe the type of personality the

01:30:05.920 --> 01:30:15.760
 type of background that you know just um any type of profile um that can be um like looked at or

01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:22.000
 it's how you wait me where you're laughing with me or at me like my wife does at you okay

01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:28.560
 somebody said okay let me let me see that i think i found it can you hear me now

01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:34.800
 okay so stop laughing like you something wrong with you let me uh let me add something that i

01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:39.920
 thought about what you all said and i need to it's for me i'm saying it to you let me

01:30:41.280 --> 01:30:47.600
 we can hear you we can hear you okay good okay when we have this next the meeting where we have

01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:54.160
 the we have the public talking i'm reminding myself and hopefully i'm reminding you and i'm

01:30:54.160 --> 01:30:58.720
 gonna get a light in here because i know i'm black right now i gotta work on that i gotta become a

01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:06.880
 white person just for me anyway i want us to listen at what the public says talking to myself now

01:31:08.240 --> 01:31:15.520
 they are going to make comments to myself ask questions for clarification so that i can

01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:20.960
 understand what they're trying to say because now my old objective is to get this report to the team

01:31:20.960 --> 01:31:28.640
 at on the city council rather get the report that helps the police department do what we wanted to

01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:36.960
 do uh brother baines was saying let's do whatever we can do to not have a situation that becomes

01:31:36.960 --> 01:31:45.040
 worse because we didn't do what we were supposed to do well guys that's not our charge our charges

01:31:45.040 --> 01:31:55.120
 gotta be kidding me oh that's not you sure okay okay our charges to come up with the report that's

01:31:55.120 --> 01:31:59.680
 gonna be a difficult thing to do i can tell you right now for all of us to come together with

01:31:59.680 --> 01:32:12.160
 something that we can agree on something that we can come up with that we all agree on to help the

01:32:12.160 --> 01:32:20.160
 city well i notice when i listen to you even now the committee members there are little bits and

01:32:20.160 --> 01:32:26.080
 pieces of what you say and what you're concerned about and your thought process that i can take

01:32:26.080 --> 01:32:33.600
 i'm taking as a matter of fact and i'm going to use that in a positive way so i'm just saying when

01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:38.400
 we have that net at next meeting with the public and that's the one i'm looking forward to these

01:32:38.400 --> 01:32:45.280
 reports are wearing me completely out but that as you all say it they're helpful to you but i want

01:32:45.280 --> 01:32:52.640
 to hear what the public has to say and again pull from that what i can get to help me create the

01:32:52.640 --> 01:32:58.400
 report that's going to be beneficial for what the city has asked us to do and the mayor's leadership

01:32:58.400 --> 01:33:03.200
 thank you okay thank you willy you know how to turn it back off now

01:33:03.200 --> 01:33:14.720
 yes i do okay well i can i can still hear you okay stop talking okay camion oh i'm sorry

01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:24.000
 hang on camion question though oh i'm sorry katina oh it's okay that's why i was raising my hand i

01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:29.520
 want to answer katina's question so has there been there's been a few different studies out there

01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:34.560
 one thing i think would be beneficial for the committee in whole is to have dr williams kind

01:33:34.560 --> 01:33:40.080
 of talk about the accreditation process that we've entered into which kind of addresses some of that

01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:47.040
 but the complexity of looking at the causations behind uses of force expect excessive uses of

01:33:47.040 --> 01:33:52.640
 force especially are kind of wrapped into some of that accreditation process it's also wrapped into

01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:58.720
 the peer support process because we have these officers going out and they're going from a baby

01:33:58.720 --> 01:34:04.880
 death traffic fatality a sexual assault call and then they stop you on a traffic stop and you say

01:34:04.880 --> 01:34:10.880
 one thing to them and it tips the scale very quickly so we're trying to take a more holistic look at

01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:17.840
 everything right so um doc and i were just talking a little bit so i think dr williams if we can get

01:34:17.840 --> 01:34:24.160
 him carved out probably 15 minutes to talk through that maybe next week if you guys are okay with that

01:34:24.160 --> 01:34:27.760
 it may set the stage for some of these other discussions yeah that'll be fine

01:34:31.200 --> 01:34:40.480
 camion and then ronda hey so i just wanted to thank willie for that joy for a moment that was

01:34:40.480 --> 01:34:54.560
 a nice uh uh i wanted to respond to john baines's question around like are we going to feel better

01:34:54.560 --> 01:35:02.000
 about these are we going to feel like our policies help prevent a situation like what happened

01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:08.400
 um i agree with willie i don't think that that's necessary i don't think we have the power to do

01:35:08.400 --> 01:35:13.200
 that to be completely honest and i think as a member of this committee that's one of the things

01:35:13.200 --> 01:35:19.040
 i've been grappling with is like as an individual or even as this many people who live in dentin we

01:35:19.040 --> 01:35:24.960
 actually don't have that power to prevent that so i just wanted to share that with folks but also

01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:31.600
 um to mention that when we uplifted earlier that there was a section on um during meeting one that

01:35:31.600 --> 01:35:38.080
 everyone kind of was like wondering about that policy it was airway restriction of use of force

01:35:38.080 --> 01:35:42.720
 so sarah's going to be sending that back out because we just requested it so if you're

01:35:42.720 --> 01:35:49.360
 wondering about that specific policy that's the one that's coming back around this time and that

01:35:49.360 --> 01:35:55.920
 i also wanted to uplift that i think i don't know how people are feeling about the timeline but i

01:35:55.920 --> 01:36:01.520
 think that like with the things that have been lifted up about wanting to make things more

01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:12.080
 accessible and available to the public along with um these suggested revisions to policies as well

01:36:12.080 --> 01:36:23.680
 as um the the maybe clarifying exactly how we would want a community oversight board to look

01:36:23.680 --> 01:36:34.320
 that coming up with like um a cohesive suggested policy from all of us i think might be it takes

01:36:34.320 --> 01:36:41.120
 time to do that with a group this size virtually um and so especially with all the things we've

01:36:41.120 --> 01:36:47.040
 just been uplifting so i just wanted to say that in my mind i'm thinking is the timeline that we

01:36:47.040 --> 01:36:52.400
 still have actually accurate or does it need to be adjusted so i just wanted to lift that up those

01:36:52.400 --> 01:37:01.520
 are the things that just came to my front of mind rondo is that you raising your hand yes ma'am okay

01:37:01.520 --> 01:37:06.240
 okay so i just want to say i did ask a kind of a profile question when i asked someone about

01:37:06.240 --> 01:37:11.520
 education but in general let's don't be too optimistic about personality profiles or any

01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:17.840
 kind of profiles uh because the state of personality research is not um very well

01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:23.120
 developed and i'm looking forward to the conversation next week with the i'm assuming

01:37:23.120 --> 01:37:29.120
 he's a psychologist i'm not quite sure our physician psychiatrist someone who knows about

01:37:29.120 --> 01:37:33.760
 mental health the chief mentions i was talking about our the accreditation process that we're

01:37:33.760 --> 01:37:38.800
 going through ah okay dr williams that's right i don't know if he's above you on your screen

01:37:38.800 --> 01:37:43.680
 no i don't see him uh okay all right well i'm gonna i'm gonna do a little

01:37:43.680 --> 01:37:50.400
 research myself into the topic because i'm gonna have some questions about that thank you absolutely

01:37:50.400 --> 01:37:57.680
 okay so we're not gonna have a meeting next week we'll be back on the 13th

01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:08.080
 and then after that we'll have on the 20th that's when we'll have the second

01:38:08.080 --> 01:38:15.200
 public input session um that's the one that willy is waiting for with baited breath

01:38:15.200 --> 01:38:25.920
 and um i think we'll have one more time together and we'll we'll at the 13th we should start

01:38:25.920 --> 01:38:32.880
 putting these policy recommendations together and so we can get back to um because we have a

01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:40.880
 timeline um that we uh in september that all of this has to be presented to city council

01:38:40.880 --> 01:38:49.920
 yes jamie if our group i'm not suggesting we do so you guys don't roll your eyes at me i'm just

01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:57.280
 asking sarah for um mr mr helman i'm curious if our group decided that we needed to be able

01:38:57.280 --> 01:39:04.160
 to accomplish this work to break into some subcommittees based on the topic areas like

01:39:04.160 --> 01:39:11.040
 education or behavioral health or trans transparency or whatnot communication if we if we decided that

01:39:11.040 --> 01:39:16.800
 that was be a way to start tackling actually operationalizing bringing things forward to the

01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:22.000
 whole group to review i heard you say at the last meeting we're not allowed to talk to each other

01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:29.600
 outside of here but if we decided collectively to to try to tackle things in that way is that

01:39:29.600 --> 01:39:35.840
 permitted or how does that work exactly yeah we had a similar occurrence last year with the uh the

01:39:35.840 --> 01:39:41.600
 bond committee that was put together where we had a group break off to consider financing options and

01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:47.600
 and make a recommendation back to the um to the larger group um we just we had to follow the the

01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:52.880
 texas open meeting at laws and we typically don't all of our ad hoc committees so if this group

01:39:52.880 --> 01:39:58.000
 wanted to break down into a couple of subject areas um and everybody in a majority of you were

01:39:58.000 --> 01:40:01.840
 fine with that we could certainly take that approach and then those specific recommendations

01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:07.200
 could be brought back to the larger group it's probably more efficient quite frankly to operate

01:40:07.200 --> 01:40:14.000
 that way um and just kind of listening to you i think i appreciate the comments i'm just breaking

01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:20.560
 down um i guess some of the subject areas here that i'm hearing from you kind of training reporting

01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:26.560
 um there was um the way that we're framing information so we've got five four or five

01:40:26.560 --> 01:40:32.400
 different um areas that i think we could break down for you i want to see what kind of specific

01:40:32.400 --> 01:40:38.960
 questions and concerns you have and see if they slide into those topical areas pretty simply if

01:40:38.960 --> 01:40:42.640
 they do that's going to make this a little bit easier for us to organize for you and help you

01:40:42.640 --> 01:40:47.440
 get it through but i do think that's a good suggestion if there's a group that wants to

01:40:47.440 --> 01:40:54.320
 focus on on training and another group that wants to focus on you know any potential changes to

01:40:54.320 --> 01:40:58.560
 wording on the use of force policy whatever however you want to do it we're fine with supporting it

01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:02.720
 but i do think it makes sense i would i would just ask that if that's the direction you want to go

01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:08.000
 that this you know we have volunteers and that the group as a whole is supportive of it we had

01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:11.520
 we had to overcome a little bit of that opposition last year at the bond committee and

01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:16.720
 and it lingered through the final vote to the city council some of them weren't too happy about it

01:41:24.320 --> 01:41:34.800
 okay thank you todd does anybody have anything else before we yes camion sorry i have one more

01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:43.920
 thing i know um on august 20th which means we have roughly 20ish 21 days to figure this out

01:41:43.920 --> 01:41:50.400
 we heard from community members that they would like there to be some sort of alternative support

01:41:50.400 --> 01:41:55.760
 if people might be triggered or have um hard conversations that they're sharing and i'm

01:41:55.760 --> 01:42:02.880
 wondering if there's a way that we might be able to have like a volunteer counselor or a psychologist

01:42:02.880 --> 01:42:09.440
 or someone on standby to like work with folks or like maybe you know i'm just wondering if

01:42:09.440 --> 01:42:21.440
 that is a possibility if someone needs it

01:42:21.440 --> 01:42:32.400
 we can have one of our victim services counselors on standby they're not they're not a treating

01:42:32.400 --> 01:42:39.040
 physician or anything like that but but they handle crisis calls and so that sounds great

01:42:39.440 --> 01:42:49.120
 to me willie thank you for that accommodation i'm sorry willie did you have your hand up

01:42:49.120 --> 01:42:58.320
 okay then yes okay go ahead can you see me i can see you and i can hear you okay what color am i

01:42:58.320 --> 01:43:06.560
 no no hold that teeth same color you were 15 minutes ago okay i i thought of something that

01:43:06.560 --> 01:43:12.640
 i did what i did earlier and i would like to to be a part i think you're right we need to divide

01:43:12.640 --> 01:43:20.800
 up in the groups uh and the group that i want to be a part of is there are some things that i think

01:43:20.800 --> 01:43:33.760
 the chief has said uh we we've we we're doing this well and this is why i think it i i label it well

01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:40.960
 he's got some things that he's got in place he said we do this well and i i this is why i say

01:43:40.960 --> 01:43:48.000
 that it is well now what was interesting to me is he's honest enough he hadn't got into politics

01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:55.920
 yet but i'm talking him into it but he's not there yet he said i really want he's he said these are

01:43:55.920 --> 01:44:04.560
 the things that i really want input from and i think it's only right for us to hear what the chief

01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:12.320
 has to say about that we we i think the other part is is very important too we say what we think

01:44:12.320 --> 01:44:19.440
 should be done and what we think is is a good way to go i really want to hear what he says because

01:44:19.440 --> 01:44:25.840
 he was honest enough when in the areas that when i talked to him about some things i think i don't

01:44:25.840 --> 01:44:31.200
 think any less will come from him about these things so i i've learned that it's important to

01:44:31.200 --> 01:44:39.120
 hear from the person who is trying to enact these policies to put them in play to work with them and

01:44:39.120 --> 01:44:44.080
 to hear both of those we're doing this we think we're doing a good job and why

01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:51.440
 secondly these are some things that i really think we need help in and what do you think about

01:44:51.440 --> 01:45:00.560
 that area he's asking us that so that group when we divide up whatever you call that group i want

01:45:00.560 --> 01:45:08.720
 to be on that one to come up with the policy the overall objective is to go together in our groups

01:45:08.720 --> 01:45:16.960
 and come back with a policy that we give to this to the mayor to be presented to the city council

01:45:16.960 --> 01:45:20.880
 that them kick it around and i think we're going to come out with something that's going to be

01:45:20.880 --> 01:45:28.880
 pretty good i really do thank you and so you're gonna really listen willy right no didn't say that

01:45:28.880 --> 01:45:34.320
 okay i just want to make sure i just want to make sure you're consistent with who you are

01:45:37.200 --> 01:45:46.000
 okay thanks willy uh jamie i was just gonna say i am to echo a little bit of what willie is sharing

01:45:46.000 --> 01:45:52.320
 i feel like that is a space where yancey and travis can speak into as well i know we have

01:45:52.320 --> 01:46:00.400
 spent a lot of our time as a committee's talking about where we think um change could be made and

01:46:00.400 --> 01:46:06.080
 experiences that we've had with police but i also and i said it at the first meeting i don't know

01:46:06.080 --> 01:46:12.080
 that it was heard with the intent or the spirit that i have hoped but i do think that part of

01:46:12.080 --> 01:46:17.440
 the reason i'm glad the two of you are on this committee is so that you can speak to any changes

01:46:17.440 --> 01:46:24.000
 that we intend to make and how they may influence you and your peers and so as we listen to chief

01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:31.200
 dixon he is the chief in his title and has ideas and resource at his disposal but you you two are

01:46:31.200 --> 01:46:36.720
 closer to to the ground if you will and so i do want you to feel like you have space in this

01:46:36.720 --> 01:46:41.920
 committee to share how you feel like the recommendations we're going to make are going

01:46:41.920 --> 01:46:52.960
 to influence those that you work with thank you jamie yes we definitely want input because you

01:46:52.960 --> 01:47:00.480
 guys are boots on the ground for us um we sit here but you're actually on the street and dealing

01:47:00.480 --> 01:47:06.480
 with people from day to day going from incident to incident and so we appreciate you being here

01:47:06.480 --> 01:47:13.440
 okay does anybody have anything katina is that your hand ronda is that your hand

01:47:13.440 --> 01:47:24.640
 okay anybody have anything else before we wrap jesse did i see your hand okay okay i just really

01:47:24.640 --> 01:47:29.760
 want to appreciate the committee because i know that we're engaging in some difficult conversations

01:47:30.320 --> 01:47:36.080
 and one thing that makes me feel really good about being here is the diversity i love the

01:47:36.080 --> 01:47:42.720
 fact that we have so many black officers in our committee that have all of this awesome experience

01:47:42.720 --> 01:47:50.640
 and our leading voices and i appreciate the chief so much and then just everybody else all the all

01:47:50.640 --> 01:47:58.320
 the diversity that we have and all the passion and and the various passions that we have individually

01:47:58.320 --> 01:48:04.640
 that are that differ you know that are all across the board right um and that there is a space for

01:48:04.640 --> 01:48:10.560
 us to share that because also you know there's a conversation that needs to happen and so many

01:48:10.560 --> 01:48:17.760
 times that conversation is polarizing um and then things that should line up with justice

01:48:17.760 --> 01:48:25.520
 gets thrown to a both sides argument that shouldn't exist because the only answer you know to oppression

01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:31.920
 like as far as the only side is to stop the oppression and so i just want to you know we've

01:48:31.920 --> 01:48:39.200
 been lighthearted tonight and i i really appreciate that because it's been rough um and even intimidating

01:48:39.200 --> 01:48:45.200
 in being on this committee it's been very hard for me personally um and just even feeling like an

01:48:45.200 --> 01:48:51.760
 imposter i mean just to be transparent and vulnerable and i'm honored to be here but i

01:48:51.760 --> 01:49:02.400
 really am grateful that every time um you know the the more uh ferocious uh personalities like mine

01:49:02.400 --> 01:49:08.160
 that are pushing for certain things every time those issues come up chief dickson has already

01:49:08.160 --> 01:49:13.920
 thought about it he's already got things lined up that's extremely encouraging um when you think

01:49:13.920 --> 01:49:20.960
 about where um as mr baines was pointing out where some other cities are um and so i'm just

01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:26.160
 really encouraged and i just felt like i needed to say that um and i know that we're going to be

01:49:26.160 --> 01:49:31.840
 digging into some heavy conversation and everybody's got their own ideas and platform but

01:49:31.840 --> 01:49:38.800
 i really um i feel like it's great for the citizens of denton to see what it looks like

01:49:38.800 --> 01:49:44.880
 to have a thoughtful conversation thank you thank you katina we appreciate you being here

01:49:47.600 --> 01:49:55.200
 jamie was that your hand oh okay um okay so we're going to wrap it up if you guys don't have anything

01:49:55.200 --> 01:50:03.200
 else you get a week off and then we'll be back so be back uh ready to go and look for the survey

01:50:03.200 --> 01:50:08.640
 in your email again so we can get together and then see how to if we're going to break this up

01:50:08.640 --> 01:50:14.880
 in groups how to do that so we can best come together and um and then come back and and have

01:50:14.880 --> 01:50:21.040
 that so we can hit the ground running so um you guys have a great rest of the week and i'll see

01:50:21.040 --> 01:50:29.200
 you guys we'll see you guys on the 12th bye you have a good evening