1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,160 Okay, good evening. Today is the fourth meeting of the use of force ad hoc committee. We only 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:18,560 have a few more meetings left. So we're going to kind of just dive right into what we need 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:24,720 to do. And if you've had a chance to look at the minutes from last week, we will need 4 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:36,640 to make a motion to approve those minutes, except we have one correction item. And last 5 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:44,960 week, Cameron cops was marked absent and Cameron was present. So we'll need a motion to approve 6 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:56,160 the minutes from last week with the correction of Cameron's attendance. And can I get a second? 7 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:04,800 Okay, all in favor, please just raise your hands and hold them up for a few minutes so that 8 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:15,520 we can get everybody okay. All in favor, hands up. Motion carries. Okay, thank you. 9 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:27,600 Tonight, I think we're going to hear from Chief Dixon first. And then we'll move on to the next 10 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:34,320 item, we kind of move the agenda around. So we'll hear from him. And then we'll go on to our next 11 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:42,320 what we have after that. Chief Dixon, the chair English just interrupts that we're gonna you're 12 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:47,760 gonna call item C first right now. I'm sorry. That's okay. I just want to formality wise call 13 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:53,280 item C and then we'll return to item B. Okay, we'll go to item C, receive a report and hold 14 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:58,240 discussion regarding the police department's policies, procedures, training, and reports 15 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:06,960 relevant to the ad hoc committee's work. All right, good evening. It's great to see everybody 16 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:15,600 today we're going to jump right into presentation for tonight. And one of the purposes for us giving 17 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:24,240 you the information ahead of time was so you all could look over the policies, and we could spend 18 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:31,280 the bulk of our time tonight kind of going over so I want to start with chapter 401 with bias based 19 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:36,960 policing and see if there was any concerns as far as a language goes or if there's any questions 20 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:54,560 about this general order. 21 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,640 And because I'm sharing my screen Madam Chair if someone has a question can you let me know so I 22 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:18,160 can take it down? Okay. I can't see everyone when I have the shared screen up. I can't see 23 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:25,680 that many either but just if I see somebody I'll let you know. 24 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:35,840 Hey Chief, make sure you have the city value two or three screens so you can you can you won't 25 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:45,440 have that problem. Come on Chief, let's get a smile now. I'm working on it. 26 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:55,760 If there's nothing on bias based was there anything in 310 the K-9? 27 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,880 I have a question in general about all of the policies we're reviewing tonight. 28 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:07,280 Okay. We've talked in the past weeks about the service that you use to kind of identify 29 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,920 changes that need to be made based on law and things like that in best practice. The company 30 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:17,840 that you use or have all these policies been reviewed and are in line with that service that 31 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:22,960 we talked about last time. I'm sorry I don't have my notes so I can't reference the name but I hope 32 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,680 you know what I'm talking about. So when we get, that's a great question, so when we get these 33 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:34,560 general order updates from Lexapol they come and they're already vetted from their team of 34 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:40,240 attorneys that pay special attention to Texas best practices everything that Texas Police Chiefs 35 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:47,440 Association deems a best practice, Supreme Court case law, Circuit Court case law, and any Texas 36 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:53,600 case law. So they're already pre-vetted before they come out. We have the ability to further tailor 37 00:04:53,600 --> 00:05:02,400 them to be Denton specific after that. So are there Denton specific modifications in these policies 38 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:08,880 that we're reviewing tonight? There's always going to be Denton specific things in them 39 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:16,160 because like we talked about before nothing that we're going to do here or any other city is going 40 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:22,560 to be a canned, fully canned approach right? So I'll pull up the full policy here. 41 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:35,840 Did it come up? 42 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,040 There it is. Okay so for bias-based policing 43 00:05:51,040 --> 00:06:00,000 most of this is going to be pretty generic if you want to use that term because it covers 44 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:05,760 policing in its general sense. There's not going to be much in the bias-based policing part that's 45 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:13,680 going to be specific to Denton. This is more specific to what is required through state 46 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:19,920 reporting through TECOL every year and that's the racial profiling report that came out of Sandra 47 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:26,960 Bland Act both versions of it and then it goes into what we expect of our supervisor. So if there's 48 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:32,800 one place that is going to be specific to us here these are the things that I ask of our supervisors 49 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:40,880 on top of the ones that are listed here. We have them have monthly meetings with all of their 50 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:46,240 subordinates so sit down one-on-one meetings with their subordinates every month just to have 51 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:51,280 discussions what's going good what they can improve on general conversation because when 52 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:55,360 you're dealing with human beings you're going to get to know them so you can get to know their 53 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:02,080 their idiosyncrasies and if there's something going on with them outside of work I want them 54 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:07,840 to catch that in those monthly meetings. What I don't want is for a relatively small thing like 55 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:13,200 them taking two days off as sick to manifest itself into something bigger because we haven't 56 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:19,520 been paying attention to our officers so in addition to the supervisor responsibility specific for 57 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:27,600 bias-based policing we ask that their meeting and having these monthly meetings to try to identify 58 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:35,040 other things outside of just bias-based so we can help get our employees the help that they may need 59 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:43,120 to to better perform and better represent us collectively. Did that answer it for you, Jane? 60 00:07:43,120 --> 00:08:02,400 But everything else in this one is going to be consistent with what state requires. 61 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,160 Was there any any other questions that y'all had? 62 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:16,000 You can go on to the next one, Jane. I have a question. Okay, who is that? This came on 63 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:24,000 um sorry I've been on video calls all day and I just can't be on the screen right now. Okay um we 64 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:32,800 really would like I know you haven't but this this point forward I mean yeah we need everybody's 65 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:39,680 screen turned on just for the sake of um seeing who's here and making sure we have enough people. 66 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:49,280 Okay so I saw that it said um that you're reviewing things like in a time you're having 67 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:54,640 the discussions with the officers in a timely manner but I also heard you say monthly so is 68 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,160 it that you do them monthly but the policy just says a timely manner? 69 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,520 Are you talking about which part of were you talking about the timely manner? 70 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:10,560 I think it was just above uh the lower case a 71 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:18,800 or it might have been lower case a under four something. 72 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:31,840 I can also go to item b while you're looking for it um I think it's 401.5 little a is 73 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:37,120 what she's referring to yeah yeah for supervisor responsibilities yes so what I'm talking about the 74 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:42,320 monthly meetings are outside of this those are in general we're talking about bias based policing 75 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,880 the timely manner is that when you see something that raises your alarm you need to be bringing 76 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,520 that so if it's a sergeant that catches something on one of their officers they need to bring it to 77 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:57,040 their lieutenant in a timely manner so that they can address it what we don't want is for these 78 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,480 things to be sitting on a shelf somewhere or something today you don't say anything and a 79 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:08,400 month later something happens that manifests itself and we find out later that you had this 80 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:18,080 information and that you failed to notify anybody about it. Okay so that kind of brings me to the 81 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:24,240 the letter b I was wondering how often you all review the footage it says periodically but I 82 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:31,600 didn't know if there's like an internal recommendation for best practice of how 83 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:37,360 often I'll review the footage yeah so we have quarterly audits that we do outside of the bias 84 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:45,360 based policing outside of any of these um general orders individually we have supervisors conduct 85 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:51,120 quarterly audits of everything so we want a cross section of body camera footage we want a cross 86 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:57,360 section of report writing um affidavit preparation even their cars to make sure their cars have the 87 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:03,280 equipment in them that they need whether that be cones flares any equipment they may need fire 88 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:10,000 extinguishers we just want to make sure that our officers are equipped to go out and serve the 89 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:17,440 public in the best manner they can thank you I was just wondering how often it was certainly 90 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:27,200 um was there any questions about the canine policy 91 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:39,440 I'll move to uh handcuffing and restraints 92 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:55,440 was there any questions about this that you all saw while you were reviewing the general order 93 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:09,200 chief I was hoping you could speak to um the use of restraints for people with disabilities 94 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:14,640 specifically both those with mobility impairments or visual impairments in particular 95 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:20,960 where removing somebody's mobility device or changing the way that they are able to move about 96 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,680 like handcuffs on a person in the wheelchair and things like that I see that it's addressed 97 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:33,200 that you know you talk about it a little bit but it didn't really have much detail um or maybe I 98 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,280 skimmed it a little too close closely and should have read more carefully but I wondered if you 99 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:45,120 could speak to that just a little bit so I could understand sure so when you talk about putting 100 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:50,400 too much detail in here what we don't want to do is to kind of put us in a box right everything is 101 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,640 going to be dependent on the situation at hand what we want to do is give them guidance because 102 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:59,200 at the end of the day general orders is really a guidebook for law enforcement so we want to 103 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,440 give them guidance so we don't want to paint them into a corner where they have to do a b and c 104 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:09,200 each time so if there's someone that's visually impaired and they're not being arrested for like 105 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:14,720 a violent offense it gives the officers more of an opportunity to maybe they place the handcuffs 106 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:20,480 a different way than they would someone that's violent same thing with someone in a wheelchair 107 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:27,520 maybe they don't they don't have to restrain their movement as much oftentimes people that 108 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,040 are found to have disabilities they're being compliant you're going to see a lot more 109 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:40,640 officers using their discretion to allow them to move about as much as they can more freely 110 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,720 because officers also understand if they top their mobility in their wheelchair bound 111 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,920 who's responsible for moving them now they're gonna have to pick them up right and then transfer 112 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:56,080 them safely from one spot to another so by and large police officers understand that when they 113 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,640 restrict someone's mobility they're essentially taking on the liability of then having to 114 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:05,760 physically move them which then means you have now to have to have multiple officers there 115 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:21,680 to lift someone up safely and move them from one place to another thank you you're welcome 116 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,680 so 117 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:51,680 any questions about the rap or any other control devices while we're here 118 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,400 electronic control weapons ecw is commonly referred to as tasers 119 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,200 was there any questions about this general order 120 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:16,240 chief i have a generic question if you don't mind please absolutely um and going through these 121 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:23,520 general orders i know there's a reason that we're doing this um have there been complaints or 122 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:31,680 to me these seem so generic i have i can't find a problem with them so we're just reviewing them 123 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:38,160 for the sake of making sure we understand what's in writing or well because because most of these 124 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,680 all of these policies that were going over all the general orders that were going over they all 125 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:47,280 relate directly to use of force which is what the committee was put together for so we just want to 126 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,680 make sure like the very first meeting we remember that we had some discussion about language that 127 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:56,400 was captured in those first few general orders we just want to go through all the ones that relate 128 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,600 to use of force so we give you all the opportunity to see them to hopefully understand them a little 129 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:06,960 bit better and then if there's any question about the language captured in them that we kind of talk 130 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,760 about it and if there's room to change that language around we discuss it and then maybe 131 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:17,440 we change the language a little bit but that was really our purpose for kind of everything we did 132 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:22,400 giving a broad overview then go through the use of force simulator and then coming back and now 133 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:30,000 having these discussions well my general comment is they're quite generic i don't find them offensive 134 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:36,880 it does give you some leeway so i guess the exercise is just mainly to give us the opportunity 135 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:43,280 to see what's in writing is that correct correct all right thank you and thank you for the taking 136 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:48,320 us through it thank you certainly 137 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:57,520 we just thought it'd be a better use of everyone's time especially on the committee so you could have 138 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,760 more thoughtful conversation to kind of give you these general orders ahead of time so you can read 139 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,920 them and then we can come right in and just have this straight to it if there's any discussion we 140 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:11,040 need to have and then we can move on to other business that you all find you know important 141 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,360 so we're done with the ones that we're going to cover for today we'll come back i think in two 142 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:28,400 weeks and then cover the last few and we'll move on madam chair thank you and i hope you guys are 143 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:34,240 taking notes because well you know of the things you want to discuss are the things that you think 144 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:41,760 that need to be addressed or changed because we only have a few more meetings a couple more 145 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:49,040 meetings actually until we have to actually start putting into practice what we want uh what changes 146 00:17:49,040 --> 00:18:03,600 we'd like to see so thank you chief dixon um next we'll go back to um item b which is 147 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:14,160 wait hold on yeah item b receive a report and hold discussion regarding 148 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:19,920 the public comments received at the first public input session that was last week and public 149 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:26,720 comments received through online form and provide an opportunity for committee members to share their 150 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:35,760 stories experiences or explanation for why they joined the ad hoc committee and um does anybody 151 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:49,760 want to start first don't okay donna donna i can't i can't hear you you're on 152 00:18:49,760 --> 00:19:00,720 yes um we're to hold a discussion regarding the the public comments that we got last week 153 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:11,760 and uh the public comments that we got that were phoned in and received online you should have that 154 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:17,040 and provide an opportunity for the committee to share their stories experiences 155 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:26,000 and explanation for why they joined the ad hoc committee okay i don't mind starting okay um i 156 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:32,320 actually joined um on behalf of twu i was recently appointed by the governor to be student regent 157 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:39,040 so i was sent an email regarding this committee and um i just found it really interesting i 158 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:46,960 um i'm still you know kind of getting used to um our purpose and um i do really want to make 159 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:52,960 a change i do not live in denton but i know that um there are still concerns i understand 160 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:58,160 that there are people that do not see an issue but if there was not an issue we wouldn't have 161 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:05,280 this committee to begin with um so i'm just here to listen and um apply any knowledge that i may 162 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:13,600 have so we can figure out a solution for the betterment of the denton community yeah 163 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,760 does anybody else have any 164 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:30,960 ronda did you raise your hand yes i'll say i'll say something okay um well i have a phd in 165 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:39,040 psychology and a 34 year career in public health so um i would think that all of these when the 166 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:44,720 mayor asked me to if i wanted to serve i said yes because i'm pretty sure that some of that background 167 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:53,280 helps me to think about these issues i hope carefully i also did a lot of academic work and 168 00:20:53,280 --> 00:21:02,000 research and conflict resolution so looking for alternative ways to solve problems both between 169 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:09,200 individuals and uh and groups so my academic background and just general interest that's why 170 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:15,520 i'm here thank you ronda gary did i say you raise your hand 171 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:22,000 sure yeah our team way of denton county works with a number of nonprofits 172 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:28,720 community as well as working very closely with the city of denton and um unlike many 173 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:33,920 nonprofits who specialize in micro social worker direct service we do a lot of our work in the 174 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:40,640 area of system change oh uh system change of this nature and then the work we do with respect to 175 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:46,960 community needs assessment uh really makes us very interested in being part of helping in this in this 176 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,400 area and on a personal level i'm absolutely committed to this process and making sure that 177 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:59,040 we take this opportunity uh at a national level and here locally and denton to make some significant 178 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:06,240 change for the people who live there thank you gary jamey 179 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:18,720 and then you next yancy so um i have to tell you that i received um through social media 180 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:27,200 some inquiries about myself um prior to the public comment and then after the meeting closed 181 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:34,320 suggesting that perhaps i don't have a disability because you can't see it on the screen and so 182 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:42,000 before i talk about why specifically it's important for me to be part of the committee i want to state 183 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:49,200 publicly that for any of you that haven't met me or for anyone that watches um our presentations 184 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:56,480 online or on the dtv site that i have cerebral palsy and i have been a lifelong wheelchair user 185 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:05,200 and as a result of my being in a wheelchair i've had the opportunity to advocate for people with 186 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:13,440 disabilities on the federal state and local level and believe that it's important to do so 187 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:21,200 and so i am here for a multitude of reasons but i want to share one particular story 188 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:28,240 that might help the public to better understand why having a person with a disability serve on 189 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:38,240 this particular committee is important when i was 19 years old i was advocating for additional 190 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:43,840 changes to be made in the city that i lived in in the time and there were going to be 191 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:53,760 um decisions made out county bus service and transit service in that area and as a rule of 192 00:23:53,760 --> 00:24:01,200 the conversations the discussion that was being had was to make the number of accessible buses 193 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:07,920 that would be available to the public and so myself and a number of my friends protested 194 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:16,320 in part by chaining ourselves to a city bus as an older person and a mature adult i'm not sure i 195 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:24,320 would make the same choice today that i did then but the person that was chained next to me was 196 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:33,280 thrown from their wheelchair injured and ultimately died as a result of their attempt to protest so i 197 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:41,520 understand the moment that we're in is very much about racial equality and justice for people that 198 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:49,120 experience excessive force as it relates to the color of their skin but i think that the use of 199 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:54,640 force and understanding the policies around them impact our entire community 200 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:03,680 thank you jamie and i'm glad that you're serving i i am sorry that um 201 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:11,680 your participation was called into question but and and i don't feel like that you should have to 202 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:18,320 explain to people um if you're disabled or not a lot of people are disabled and it is just not 203 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:25,360 shown visibly and so um i think that we all come from different places and spaces and we all have 204 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:30,000 different experiences and that's what makes the world go around so thank you for sharing that 205 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:36,640 with us and thank you very much for participating okay i think yes you're next 206 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:45,600 yeah so i uh i was asked to be a part of the committee and uh i accepted the nomination to 207 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,880 be a part of the committee for a number of reasons one it's a lot of misinformation out there 208 00:25:51,520 --> 00:26:00,240 about law enforcement in general uh but by and by and large didn't you can't just paint law 209 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:06,080 enforcement with a broad brush you have to take specific incidents that happen in your community 210 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:11,920 and try to you know make your community department a better department uh over the 211 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,800 past couple of weeks i sat back and i've actually reviewed all of the videos that 212 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:23,040 uh the recorded meetings and stuff and i started questioning my own cell phone why am i a part of 213 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:29,120 the committee because uh most of the meetings that we've had and nothing against the committee or 214 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:37,200 anything we've gone against the mayor's charter um we've gone everywhere from you know the chief 215 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:43,520 and even the city attorney i provided us information regarding state law uh and what the police 216 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,240 department here in denton is bound by as well as the chief providing the policies that 217 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:55,120 at hand the officers here have to follow by uh it seemed like that we brush over those and we 218 00:26:55,120 --> 00:27:00,720 some members of the committee might have an alternative agenda to try to have this committee 219 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:07,920 as something put together outside of the scope of what the mayor actually want us to be uh to 220 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:14,000 come back in a couple of days actually a couple of months a couple of weeks to provide suggestions 221 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,720 strictly regarding the use of force committee i agree that we all come from different backgrounds 222 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:27,760 and we have you know various stories or whatever and i appreciate all the comments and all that 223 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:33,040 me myself i actually have stories where i've been racially profiled as well but that didn't 224 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:39,200 pertain to denton pd or it's a local agency so i can't just say well denton pd is bad because 225 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:45,920 this happened to me or whatever so i still i'm still glad that i'm a part of this community 226 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:51,200 uh maybe i can answer questions that's regarding you know why denton pd does stuff a certain type 227 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:56,320 of way because there's a lot of misinformation uh out there and it's the community is not informed 228 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,080 about a lot of stuff i think we saw that in the first meeting where a lot of people felt that 229 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,000 officers graduate the academy one week and they're on the street on their own the next week 230 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,760 and that's not the case and then a lot of you guys didn't even know that there were different levels to 231 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:13,280 uh the certifications that officer receive and the specialties that officers receive 232 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:19,840 so me i'm out to put that information out to let you guys know the reason why denton pd does the 233 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,720 things that denton pd does but at the same token i also want to make sure that we stay on task 234 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,960 because if we start going down these rabbit holes we're never going to be able to come back 235 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:35,200 in the 90 days that the mayor gave us to discuss use of force which is basically what we were 236 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:42,800 we were designed to do even council member davis who's uh tried to get us back on track last week 237 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:49,360 but in my opinion he was shut down uh when he was trying to you know say what the council want from 238 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:56,160 this committee uh my and that's my view on it he was shut down and we even ended the meeting with 239 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:03,680 in my opinion certain members wanted to go about their own way and have different meetings outside 240 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:09,440 of this meeting uh which if you want to talk about history since we brought that up last week 241 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:15,040 in my opinion if everybody's not inclusive now where history is repeating itself because it's 242 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,440 going to be part of segregation because i don't know if i'm a part of that meeting are you talking 243 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,880 about the police department because you don't want officers on the committee are you talking 244 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:28,880 about this group because they're disabled so i just i'm glad to be a part of the committee 245 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,800 but at the same token i want to make sure that we stay on task on what the charter that the 246 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:39,360 mayor actually put at hand and value the input for everybody that's actually trying to give you input 247 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:49,440 thank you and and i appreciate you keeping us on task uh willie and then um donna 248 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,680 willie turn your mic on 249 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:59,920 can't hear you 250 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:10,720 hello can't hear you space bar and you should come on will they hit your space bar you should 251 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,320 be able to come on hit your space bar you should be able to come on willie 252 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:30,400 oh we lost willie okay oh here are you there willie you still on mute we still can't hit you 253 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,160 can the host help him out 254 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:43,840 i don't think so hold on no he has to do it 255 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:53,440 oh there you are willie there you are good yes so sure you're just trying to mute me 256 00:30:53,440 --> 00:31:04,320 you know i i have to agree with the uh the young man who uh just spoke because i was confused 257 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:12,640 because i wasn't there the first night when you all got the charge so it's really helpful to me 258 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:23,040 tonight to hear and then what um uh the council jesse councilman mcjess uh davis said in his 259 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:31,760 remarks and so i just need to now i'm focused i know what the charge is so i want to stay on 260 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:37,360 that charge i even got it printed up so that i could look at it look at it and make sure i'm 261 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,320 i'm straight because i would most certainly like to talk about stuff that i want to talk about 262 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:50,160 i've got a lot of stuff and i just want to use this platform to get it out to ask questions about 263 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:57,120 it to discuss where i came from to talk about what my interests are and all but come on guys 264 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:03,920 we either got to decide we're going to do what we're asked to do as as we gather information 265 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:10,880 and i know many times we just kind of go different directions but we're we're sincere about them in 266 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:16,800 that we're hoping that they help us make the decision we're supposed to make that the city 267 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:23,600 the mayor has charged us to make but we really have to be careful and all of us have to monitor 268 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:32,640 each other and just maybe ask nicely what how does that help us what are you what is your point 269 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:38,480 toward helping us move toward the charge now that's what i'm going to be saying i'll be listening 270 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,240 for that tonight and some of the things the main thing that they have on this this list of what 271 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:55,760 we're supposed to do is to develop a report are clear of clear findings conclusions and achievable 272 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:05,360 recommendations that promote the use of best practices in use of force policies and training 273 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:10,640 for the denton police department key dentons police department 274 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:20,800 um uh recommendations that are achievable and towards these things that they're looking 275 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:26,160 forward to so i've got it here before me i asked for it and now i know what to do and i'll be 276 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:31,920 trying to accomplish those things tonight and from this point forward well we're going to have 277 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:38,080 discussion uh and start diving into that so i look forward we look forward to hearing from you 278 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:45,120 uh willy and um get ready all right okay now now you got to mute yourself so we can go to the next 279 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:53,840 person all right okay okay don't go anywhere just mute yourself all right all right okay oh you got 280 00:33:53,840 --> 00:34:07,120 it uh uh donna just had a quick um comment on that on both what you had to say mr answer green and um 281 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:16,080 mr hutzpah i believe um i just being as a student um i kind of feel like that's a little bit 282 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:21,920 aggressive towards me and i know that's probably not how um you intended it to be the way that you 283 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:29,760 responded um for people outside or um within our school district per se they kind of just want to 284 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:37,440 know that they're safe and i don't know if even me whenever i provide input or based off of what 285 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:44,160 our students say if that is tapering away from our central target or what we're supposed to be 286 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:50,800 discussing however i feel like for us to get to the place that we want to be is if we have different 287 00:34:50,800 --> 00:35:00,080 perspectives and i don't mean to i don't mean any disrespect by that um however um it's just you know 288 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,400 kind of our job too 289 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:11,360 uh i don't think that was directed towards you um there there's a lot of moving parts 290 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:21,680 a lot of moving parts going on so um just just hang on um thank you though john i thought you had 291 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:30,080 your your hand up yes uh thank you um i would just like to i'll try to be very brief and just 292 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:37,760 say i'm glad to be on the committee i was asked to be here um uh growing up in the city of houston 293 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:45,520 i had a lot of very difficult experiences with the police and i've learned in my almost 70 years 294 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:53,040 that you cannot lump people you can't lump black people you can't lump white people you can't lump 295 00:35:53,040 --> 00:36:03,200 police officers and so uh my participation here is to help us to do the very best we can to be the 296 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:09,200 very best city with the best practices possible and i'm just happy to be a part of the process 297 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:17,120 and thank you for the charge that came from the mayor and i too commit to working toward that goal 298 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:24,640 thank you jamie did you have your hand up again oh okay did any did anyone else want to speak 299 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,360 okay camia 300 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:49,440 yeah um so my background i think people were sharing their background a little bit 301 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:57,360 uh my background is in social work i came to denton as a student at unt and um 302 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:04,560 i kind of fell in love with the town uh in fact my parents said to me early on you're never going 303 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:11,200 to leave here and i told them yes i would because i was determined to go to new york um and i love 304 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:18,880 it here uh i love denton a lot um i've created a great support system here and as a social worker 305 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:29,680 i've been connected with many agencies and denton um nonprofits i've seen uh i've seen the 306 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:38,080 impact of collective power and community um i felt that year for the first time in my life 307 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:45,680 which has kept me anchored here and that's why that i do organizing an activist and advocacy work 308 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:54,480 in this town and that is ultimately why i joined this committee i think that 309 00:37:54,480 --> 00:38:06,640 um i also want to ensure that the policies around police use of force are 310 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:19,120 what's the the ones that we develop or suggest um are the ones that are safest 311 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:26,080 for the people that live in our communities um but i want to also point to um 312 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:36,000 the fact that there are communities experiences in denton with police that have happened here in 313 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:44,560 denton with dentin pd that have been harmful and not to say that as everyone's terrible 314 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:51,120 or whatever but people have had those experiences and at every entity at every profession there's 315 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:58,880 room to grow and i hope that we can utilize the input that we receive from community members 316 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:06,880 to help us inform the way we shape these policies so that's what i'd like to share 317 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,720 and uh i'll pass it to someone else 318 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:17,920 thank you anybody else want to share 319 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,160 and your luck 320 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,640 thank you good evening everyone um i was 321 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:39,120 a member of the city reached out to the denton independent school district and asked if there 322 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:44,480 was anyone that was willing to participate on the committee and the superintendent recommended 323 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:54,800 actually two of us um and the city said we only need one so um here i am but um in my 324 00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:01,360 and and i'm a resident of denton county um graduate of university of north texas and 325 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:08,880 all of my kids went through the school systems but as an advocate for children um that's a big 326 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:17,600 reason that i'm excited to serve on this committee um to allow our students to have a voice um in 327 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:23,920 their upbringing i wasn't able to attend the meeting last thursday but still went through 328 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:30,000 all the materials and watched the video um and i guess it seemed that there 329 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,600 is a lot of 330 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:43,600 um concern about the committee even being put together and a lot of that concern 331 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:50,400 um it appears to come from people who are looking through a lens where they've not ever had any 332 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:57,920 um negative experiences so i understand why they're coming with that frame of mind but we also have 333 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:05,680 to consider uh the members of our committee who have a different lens um and make sure that their 334 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:13,760 voices are heard as well and that we implement practices that will allow all citizens of denton 335 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,000 to have those experiences where they're wondering why we have a committee like this together 336 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:27,040 um and that's not the case yet but i'm hopeful um that as we work together as a committee 337 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:38,240 that we'll get to the point where everyone feels like um they can be safe um in their own city 338 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:46,080 definitely want to have uh or excited about getting into the conversations when we talk about 339 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:55,520 how we can be more proactive um and build positive relationships especially with our 340 00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:03,600 younger students um to build that trust with police officers before um they have a negative 341 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:11,280 experience that frames how they forever will view um police after that experience so um that's a 342 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:18,000 little bit about me and my background and why i'm excited to uh work with you all to make the city 343 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:28,160 of getting even better than it already is thank you angela jay good evening everybody my name is 344 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:33,360 jumo bowler i don't understand why my uh owner says jay's phone i haven't been able to correct 345 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:42,400 that so i'm sorry but i just name it that and that's why i named my phone that's what it is 346 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:47,520 but uh as far as me and joining the committee uh my wife had talked to me about it my wife katina 347 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,560 talked to me about it and me being in law enforcement over 15 years and all kinds of aspects 348 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:58,960 as far as juveniles um being a supervisor or didn't kind of share his apartment and so on so 349 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:05,120 forth she thought that maybe that you know some of the things that i've learned and an experience 350 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:10,720 would be able to help this this this committee so that's the biggest reason i've joined this 351 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:19,120 committee and i'm very excited to be here so we'll see how things go thank you uh pastor chambers 352 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:30,000 i can't hear we can't hear you got it thank you guys so uh i'm very excited to be part of 353 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:36,640 this committee let me first say i think the den police department and chief dixon is doing a 354 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:42,640 wonderful job uh but there's always room uh for growth there's always room for change and so i'm 355 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:48,880 here uh to be an advocate um so that we have a better police department so i'm grateful 356 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,760 uh to be on the committee and thank you so much thank you travis 357 00:43:53,760 --> 00:44:06,720 hello okay okay thank you um so my i was approached um and asked to be on the committee 358 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:13,440 as well i guess from uh you know to to share my perspective uh and one of the main reasons why 359 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:21,520 i chose to be on the committee because i wanted to i wanted to hear the community um that's part of 360 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:28,800 the reason why i got into law enforcement because i've been a police officer now for four years i've 361 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:35,200 been a black man obviously longer than four years so i know kind of both sides of where everybody's 362 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:43,200 coming from um one of my goals and my plans was when joining the police department was to 363 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:51,520 provide a positive impact on children's lives particularly minority children uh to speak to 364 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:58,160 mrs rick's point um since since being a police officer i have been involved in the school 365 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:05,440 districts i've participated in the elementary schools uh you know doing uh lunch with a leader 366 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:11,840 with the schools uh reading to the students and things like that so i've been active as far as 367 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:19,760 trying to you know reach out to the community reach out to children um as ms rich stated earlier i do 368 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:25,200 believe reaching out to the children is where where change starts uh and and giving children 369 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:33,520 a positive uh impact with police officers and a positive experience prior to um typically when 370 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:39,040 when children are impacted by police officers is using in a negative light uh and it doesn't even 371 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:44,320 have to be anything violent uh you know a family member going to jail it could be a car accident 372 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:52,640 you know so which could still be a a tragic incident and so police are i guess linked up with 373 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:57,600 tragedy because that's typically when you see a police officer you don't see police officers when 374 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:02,720 you know when everything is is good and and everything is peaceful you know so that that's 375 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:08,160 one of the reasons why what got meant to law enforcement and then also to be a part of this 376 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:15,520 this committee and then uh lastly i think um i think uh yance you may have mentioned you know 377 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:21,200 about lumping everybody together in the group you know and uh and i agree with that you know 378 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:28,800 there's there's bad people in all professions in the world but law enforcement is the only profession 379 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:38,000 that when one person does bad the entire profession is frowned upon um there's doctors and lawyers that 380 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:46,400 malpractice and you know doctors take a patient's life and we're not out in the streets and 381 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:53,360 protesting the medical field you know there are bad teachers that have inappropriate relationships 382 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:59,520 with students and that one teacher may be apprehended and brought to justice we don't and 383 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:07,520 then we sent our students to school to go see that teacher the next day so again that that's been my 384 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:14,400 mission is just to show a different side of law enforcement and you know to hopefully bring a 385 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:21,520 positive change to to denton texas and show our community that you know what we see on the news 386 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:27,520 and other cities or other states that's not always the case and you know that's why i wanted to be a 387 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:33,520 part of this committee and a part of this community and the police department thank you thank you 388 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,280 did i miss anybody 389 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:51,280 well i guess it's my turn then huh um my experience is a little different um i'm 390 00:47:51,280 --> 00:48:00,160 from los angeles which is a much larger city um than denton texas of course um my father 391 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:07,520 was a military police his whole career after 20 years of the military was in policing 392 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:16,160 until he retired from uh being a regional supervisor for alcohol beverage control in 393 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:24,640 new orleans my stepdad was a la county detective for uh for the sheriff's department um and i grew 394 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:35,040 up in south central la so i i've seen police on both sides um my experiences with the police 395 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:42,800 have been on both sides they're good cops and i've seen bad cops i've seen good white cops 396 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:51,360 and black cops and i've seen bad white and black cops um and so i was in um i didn't move to dent 397 00:48:51,360 --> 00:49:02,400 until 2002 i was there for the rodney king um i was there uh when the city was on fire um the 398 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:11,360 reginald denny incident happened 20 blocks from where i lived um i so i i lived one part of where 399 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:21,760 i lived um it was different set of crips so my experiences um with the police department 400 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,560 have been a little different as i mentioned last week when we had a caller talk about pcp 401 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:34,160 we did have a gentleman who um broken our house in the middle of the night and he was on pcp 402 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:45,600 um and we fought him um my mom and i and then she shot him and um and he still kept walking after 403 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:54,160 um being shot twice so um you know we all come with different experiences 404 00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:04,320 good badder and different um so i try to stay proactive um since i got to denton i became um 405 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:10,800 i have three kids who've gone through didn't isd so i became active in the schools i ran for school 406 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:19,520 board and i've served on many boards and have been active in the community i'm also on the advisory 407 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:28,640 board for the police academy so the said training that um that everybody talks about is one of the 408 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:36,160 things that we talk about when we meet what the community is concerned about where can we add more 409 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:46,400 training um to implement for for the officers to go through and things of that nature so um i've had 410 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:53,840 some experiences here um in denton with the police department but at the same and and they've been 411 00:50:53,840 --> 00:51:00,160 favorable and some haven't been a couple haven't been but um when you're involved you know the 412 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:08,640 right people to talk to and and that's what i did so i continue to be uh in the community 413 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:16,880 and working with the community because um not all police are bad i come in from the city that i came 414 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:25,840 from um and come in here and looking at these issues um some of them are very minute um compared 415 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:33,840 to uh la pd and the sheriff's department and although nobody is exempt from having problems 416 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:40,640 with police or any other agency um they do exist and they can always get better and that that is 417 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:56,000 why i stay involved in my community hey katina hey there i'm sorry i'm i've been listening in but 418 00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:04,560 um i was driving so that's okay we're glad you're here yeah um but i just wanted to chime in i guess 419 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:11,280 i'm the last person um i was asked to be on the committee by the mayor um myself and my husband 420 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:19,600 um jamal um and i'm originally from memphis tennessee and i'm from the infamous orange mound 421 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:27,120 which is the oldest african-american community um in the country that was actually built to be 422 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:32,960 specifically an african-american community and we've gone through um all the things the you know 423 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:38,160 from being a thriving community where our teachers and doctors and lawyers lived in our neighborhood 424 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:47,200 to then um it being crime-ridden because of the war on drugs and just politics and three strikes 425 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:55,600 you're out in criminalization of black and brown people to now being gentrified um and you know 426 00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:01,440 people that have been in the neighborhood for generations like my family um are experiencing 427 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:10,080 what gentrification looks like i um came to unt as a school of music student i also attended the 428 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:15,920 university of memphis that was my when i graduated from high school i went to um university of memphis 429 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:25,680 go tigers um and i've been a lot like sure i've had positive experiences with the police and 430 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:31,600 negative i mean um on the university of memphis campus there were many african-american officers 431 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:38,160 and that's one of them taught me how to parallel park i mean i have police officers in my family 432 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:46,480 i have uh negative experiences with black officers with white officers and for me i have you know i 433 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:55,680 have we have three sons um 22 15 and 13 that we have raised all in denton because once we got to 434 00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:00,960 denton once i got to denton and then my husband followed a year later from university of arkansas 435 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:08,480 and then we married a year after that um we decided to stay and make denton home and it's been 436 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:15,200 hard for me um because my kids are often the only black kids in white spaces and there are 437 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:22,960 not many welcoming spaces for black kids and then there's such a polarization that black kids like 438 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:31,280 my black kids who are you know nerdy and geeky and like japanese and like anime and skateboard 439 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:38,720 and you know all the different things they they they they're in this middle space where they're displaced 440 00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:47,440 um from just so many different cultures and so you know we've had to wrestle with that in my um 441 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:56,160 i just want equality i mean it for me it's not about liking the police or not liking the police 442 00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:01,840 because the police officers i know are and that we have relationship with their phenomenal people 443 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:08,640 um i just think that there's a system of injustice that african-american people by and large are being 444 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:15,360 impacted by and and because i'm black i'm a black woman i have black sons i just want a better 445 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:21,120 future for them i want them you know my oldest son has been pulled over by the cops handcuffed 446 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:28,480 in denton um and treated horribly and i and and you know he he is upstanding in all the you know 447 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:33,920 but because he's tall and black and has dreadlocks you know we've been pulled over in front of our 448 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,560 own home and asked what we were doing in our own neighborhood and that was the only reason why we 449 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:47,280 were pulled over so um i don't look at you know i know the gentleman was saying that uh the profession 450 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:54,800 of police work is the only one where people are um once once a bad cop does something all of them 451 00:55:54,800 --> 00:56:00,080 are are aligned i think that's in every profession i'm in health care and i see that with doctors i 452 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:09,760 see that with teachers i do see that with various professions but the police profession it's a very 453 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:16,240 powerful one it's there's a strong power structure um that has been historical that has been 454 00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:23,600 generational um that has lasted for centuries and that was established to oppress people um and a 455 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:30,640 lot of those policies before black officers could even become black officers there's a good old boy 456 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:38,480 system that needs to be dismantled and i mean you know it and that's the way i see it it's not even 457 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:44,080 about the race of the officers it's that it's a system that needs to be dismantled and when i say 458 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:49,280 dismantled i mean i'm just saying assess and evaluate it to where people groups aren't 459 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:58,000 criminalized so that's why i'm here um i was asked and i do work in the community independently 460 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:05,760 um i love dent and i love black dent and i just want to see equality and equity and i want black 461 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:13,040 boys to respect the police officers i want them to have um to see police officers and not be afraid 462 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:20,400 because of everything that's been going on in our country and india thank you katina 463 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:33,120 sarah did you want to um i think did you have something you wanted to talk about the next 464 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:40,960 sure if you want to move into item d yes okay do you want to call item d we're going to move 465 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:47,600 into item d and uh sarah's gonna bring that presentation or come forward with that 466 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:56,160 um so item d um just wanted to review there are four meetings left for the committee um they are 467 00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:03,520 to be held on august 13th august 20th september 3rd and september 10th um just by way of reminder 468 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:10,960 august 20th will be that second public input session um so on august 13th um we'll review 469 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,600 the remaining policies that chief dixon had referenced if there are any other topics or 470 00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:21,440 information that the committee wants to hear or learn about i'd ask that you get those to us asap 471 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:26,160 so we can plan to get you that information as quickly as possible as the committee 472 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:34,000 we'll have to start moving into the next stages of forming recommendations common areas where you 473 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:39,840 can talk and have a discussion about what you'd like to bring forward in terms of findings or 474 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:46,560 recommendations to city council as a tool to maybe help the discussion to help the committee move 475 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:53,200 forward we did send out a survey by email earlier this week for committee members to just indicate 476 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:59,280 three areas where you have an interest in discussing further where you think there should 477 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:05,520 be changes where you think there really needs to be more attention or discussion too and then maybe 478 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:11,120 staff we could try to identify some commonalities for the committee to at least have a starting 479 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:17,200 point for discussion that doesn't limit it that you could have additional topics just trying to 480 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:22,160 give you a starting point of maybe what are some common interests amongst all of the committee 481 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:30,400 members may i ask a clarifying question so i read all the policies for tonight but i must have missed 482 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:37,040 the survey did it come in the same email as all the policies and agenda for tonight it did i can 483 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:42,240 resend it again to the committee that just means i didn't pay enough attention i'm sorry no it's 484 00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:50,000 okay i'm sending out a lot of email if you could resend it separately sarah um so yeah maybe it got 485 00:59:50,000 --> 01:00:00,000 caught up in the other stuff that'd be great will do i have a like i guess not logistical 486 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,680 but like a clarifying question also are we it sounds to me i'm digesting the information it 487 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:16,000 sounds to me like um we're going to come to one of these meetings with our individual recommendations 488 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:23,360 for changes and also submit some in the survey and then review them all together as a group to 489 01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:29,600 come up with one collective thing we want to push forward or how are we getting like a collective 490 01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:37,040 voice on the the report or the suggested edits or changes that we're having i guess is what i'm asking 491 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:46,080 sure so or the survey that we had sent out would kind of be a first tool for the committee to use 492 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:51,600 where you could all set send in your individual input we'd provide a copy of all of that to all 493 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:56,640 of the committee members i propose not to put names next to it we're collecting that just to 494 01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:01,600 make sure we get it from each committee member but kind of send that out to help you identify 495 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:06,560 where are the areas where you want to discuss develop some recommendations you could direct 496 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,120 there's a number of different ways it could be handled in terms of drafting a report 497 01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:18,160 for the committee to then review you could direct staff to draft some language in a report a 498 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:26,320 committee member could you know it usually that's how that occurs is you direct staff so let's say 499 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:34,480 you know by august 20th or september 3rd you're having some commonalities or things 500 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:39,600 you could direct staff to come back so that you can review it on the third or the tenth as a committee 501 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:46,560 and todd i don't know if you have anything else you want to add to that 502 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:52,400 i think one of the other processes is going on is chief dixon i've been working for the last several 503 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:59,200 months on analysis of staffing for the police department call loads there's clearly some areas 504 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:04,160 there where calls are getting stacked that we're trying to figure out what what that business model 505 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:11,120 needs to look like he's also been working and developing a plan for introducing a social work 506 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:16,240 group into the police department that would accompany be accompanied by a planes close 507 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:22,480 officers trying to continue uh you know bringing forth just a different approach to some of the 508 01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,000 calls that we've got so we've got some ideas that we're going to be starting to vet with the city 509 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:31,440 council next week as we're preparing the the upcoming budget i wanted to be pretty careful 510 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:36,080 though about making sure that we aren't influencing the committee if there's if there's 511 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:41,200 if there's policies that you've seen if there's in these updates that you just don't think it's 512 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:48,320 clear enough you think we're lacking training you've got questions about do we are we putting enough 513 01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:54,560 emphasis enough dollars in helping our officers acquire certain skills we'd like to give you the 514 01:02:54,560 --> 01:03:00,000 the floor to to make those suggestions ask those questions so it doesn't look like we're in any way 515 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:06,880 slanting uh your ideas but i think at some point i would also like to uh bring forward and kind of 516 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:11,440 lay out for the committee what our thoughts are in terms of incremental upgrades well but i i really 517 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:18,400 like the idea of kind of giving you the opportunity just to to formulate your own uh issues if you feel 518 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,160 like there's still concerns out there that we haven't hit policies that you don't feel like 519 01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:27,120 we've addressed properly we'd love to we'd love to hear that um and then we i would also like to 520 01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:33,120 run by some of our ideas and you may say hey that's we disagree or that's not going far enough and 521 01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:38,480 that's kind of what this committee was about is is trying to deal with uh how force is used and 522 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,640 avoided and you know how with the training tools that we're providing with our officers can be 523 01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:48,080 enhanced and it's all it all sort of fits together but i don't want to i don't want the committee to 524 01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:55,520 be accused that that we we've come in in in some way altered your thinking so i i would anticipate 525 01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:02,640 kind of giving the committee two or three meetings before we do that um gary and then jamie thank you 526 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:09,920 todd yeah thank you cheryl uh along the lines of the city manager's comments i found it interesting 527 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:16,800 when we went through the use of force simulation we went through it in pairs but what was described 528 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:23,760 to our group was that most often a denton police officer would arrive on a scene alone more often 529 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:29,120 than not i would be interested to know how often that truly happens because i think it ties back to 530 01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:35,920 a staffing level a budget a budget thing and use of force when you're arriving alone to me as a 531 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:42,720 layperson seems like it looks differently when you arrive alone as opposed to when you arrive in pairs 532 01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:48,880 so i think you you could kind of help us with that jamie 533 01:04:53,760 --> 01:05:01,040 had to find my it's okay um so over the course of our meetings i've been taking my own notes about 534 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:07,120 some of the themes that i'm seeing emerge and i think we all are doing the same um but it occurs 535 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:14,480 to me that some of the recommendations i would like to make or learn more about do have financial 536 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:20,800 initially financial implications so things like added uh behavioral health and social work 537 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,600 professionals working in conjunction with the police which i know we've started that program and 538 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:33,120 we want to expand it um additionally education for your officers um statistical transparency about 539 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:38,000 the types of use of force and some of the aggregate data that we have been shared being 540 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:45,280 available publicly um on a consistent basis through the website and things like that so that all of 541 01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:50,880 those things the communications the staffing they all have financial implications potentially 542 01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:55,200 and so hearing you say that you guys are also working on the budgets and planning and moving 543 01:05:55,200 --> 01:06:01,600 forward i don't want this committee's recommendations to kind of miss the mark on that timeline 544 01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:08,560 of if we do have recommendations that are gonna be financial in nature how are they gonna come up 545 01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:15,120 against the budget process and your approval process with the city council uh we we will do a 546 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:20,560 quick overview on i guess i won't say quick uh but we'll do an overview on monday of the staffing 547 01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:26,160 study that we um we've had recently completed that uh we're kind of doing a 10-year look on what the 548 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:31,600 call load on our department is and it's identified some issues in terms of added resources of patrol 549 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:38,800 and in investigations um there's there's always opportunities to expand the training budget and 550 01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,520 one of the things that i've worked with chiefs uh very closely with is he's come in started 551 01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:48,480 identifying policies identifying identifying areas where where additional training might be needed 552 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:53,840 from a safety perspective we just get it done if if you feel like that there's certain trainings 553 01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:58,400 you'd like to see integrated into the coursework bring them up let us deal with the financial 554 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:03,440 issues um i doubt that there's going to be that you know training is not going to break our budget 555 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:07,520 um so if there's stuff like that that you'd like to see and we need to kick around we are 556 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:12,880 happy to integrate it and we've got about three or four weeks left to keep altering our proposals 557 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:17,520 and we are happy to do that ronda 558 01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:31,040 where'd you go okay um sorry i'll be embarrassed if somebody tells me we've already seen this but 559 01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:38,640 uh have we actually seen the uh training curriculum for the officers like day one you study this day 560 01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:49,200 two this because if we have it i would like to um we can bring that for the next the next meeting 561 01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:59,440 um just to kind of tag um onto what jaime was saying i know that we've kind of as we've gone 562 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:04,320 through some of the policy together i think it was in the first meeting and maybe the second 563 01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:12,800 meeting um the slideshow presentations by the officers um by chief dixon um i know that we've 564 01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:18,640 been asking questions and kind of digging into some of that along the way it's something that 565 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:23,920 we can revisit those things or should we just kind of just everybody individually be keeping up with 566 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:33,520 their own um their own notes to present at a at a a different time no i think sarah's keeping 567 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:42,480 are you keeping records sarah because each of these um each of these meetings are recorded 568 01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:48,720 so we can go back yes and then we've been keeping some notes of some requests that were made for 569 01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:54,240 example um what's in the control of the city versus the county versus you know state legislation 570 01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:58,960 but if there are items that you would like to see it's very helpful if you send those in again if 571 01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:04,080 you had your own things especially through that survey that we'll be sending out um that would 572 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:10,000 be helpful as well but and specifically the things that there were a couple of other things that 573 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:15,200 there were questions about and where we kind of i don't know um kind of went back and forth about 574 01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:22,240 will we be revisiting that or i i mean does that make sense will we be going back to those specific 575 01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:29,040 points um to review are we just everybody just needs to do their survey and individual stuff 576 01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:34,160 i'm sorry if i'm asking the same thing are you talking about the statistics that we reviewed 577 01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,920 katina just so i understand or was there different policies that you were talking about 578 01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:46,560 a policy that we had some discussion about where there was word change sort of recommendation that 579 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:52,240 was in the first meeting some comments that lillian was making about some things to advise language 580 01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:58,960 i don't think we have revisited that particular policy um but that was i think to my recollection 581 01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:03,600 one of the only ones where we had some pretty specific word change potential word change 582 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:08,800 recommendations we haven't really had that um in as many but it was that first meeting where we 583 01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:15,840 reviewed policy and i think we didn't if we did receive those policies in advance i don't recall 584 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:21,040 doing that um so it might be helpful just to send that out a second time so that when we're filling 585 01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:29,760 out the survey we can highlight amongst ourselves um that space i don't know if that's okay excellent 586 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:40,320 what jamie said thank you antelope um in addition to the training that the officers see receive when 587 01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:46,800 they first come into the profession i'm really interested in the ongoing training um that officers 588 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:55,360 receive from year to year or um you know if you get training in your first year and then you go 589 01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:59,520 on and on and on you kind of forget that training so i'm just more interested in the ongoing and 590 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:05,600 how often those trainings come up specifically as it relates to understanding the differences in 591 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:13,280 cultural diversities of the people that you're going to be interacting with so i think um i 592 01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:20,000 think that would be on the committee that i'm on so you know you know all the all the trainings 593 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:27,680 it's easy to get so we can get that from that that the academy and the additional training that the 594 01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:35,360 officers have to get that is required for continued continuing education and then um what other 595 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:42,800 training that we suggest and they implement that come from the community as well 596 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,280 chief dixon we can get that right 597 01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:52,960 yes you can we'll have it for you okay thank you that we already have it pretty much 598 01:11:52,960 --> 01:12:02,480 done that's what i thought thank you yes jamie i did have one sort of statistic that i'm interested 599 01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:07,440 in and if i'm alone that's fine we can ignore it but it was in regards to the public comments 600 01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:15,760 that were made last week about um just whether or not folks are communicating through the non-emergency 601 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:21,600 line and how many calls of the potential like an mhmr type call is coming through the emergency 602 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:26,320 line and how those are answered and you spoke chief sticks in a little bit to like how you've 603 01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:31,200 changed that up during covet times and things like that but i would be interested in statistically 604 01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:39,200 kind of understanding how many use of force um or it calls that result in a use of force come 605 01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:45,680 through 911 versus non-emergency well they're all answered by the same people so they all essentially 606 01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:50,880 go to the same place so i don't i don't know if we would be able to really break that down 607 01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:56,880 so the the individual that was calling in was just sort of talking about how it's 608 01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:03,680 it in that one person's opinion it was difficult to address issues before they escalate and kind of 609 01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:11,520 um how they're routed in the training that happens there so in uh in the training kind 610 01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,520 of information that we're going to receive is that going to include anything related to dispatch 611 01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:21,280 or is that only for your folks on the street um we can look at the dispatch training what they 612 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:27,680 receive over there one of the things that we're working on now as we start incrementally bringing 613 01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:33,360 in the new mental health unit is getting some improved mental health training for dispatch 614 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:38,720 because oftentimes that's really where the gap is it's a transfer of information like we're sitting 615 01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:43,920 here and i tell you you know the banana is yellow and by the time it gets to the end of the chain 616 01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:48,080 it's probably changed colors two or three times so it's really that gap we're trying to close 617 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:55,280 and i think uh we're moving down a really creative road that is going to bring us a 618 01:13:55,280 --> 01:14:04,880 lot of benefit i think okay any um anybody else have anything 619 01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:18,080 go ahead donna so after the 15th will we be reconvening um so what will we be discussing 620 01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:25,040 i kind of just wanted to know what the end goal of our committee is and um what will be 621 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:31,520 if you're able to answer this question what will we um be discussing in our last couple of meetings 622 01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:38,720 i think the ultimate wrap-up for the committee would be you know some programmatic changes that 623 01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:44,320 we're looking maybe some policy changes training changes if there is specific as jamie brought up 624 01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:50,880 if there's specific changes to wording and certain policies that we're looking at kind of looking at 625 01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:56,880 just sort of a holistic report back to the back to the city council and and i would still like 626 01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:02,160 towards the end after we get your questions answered on training that sort of thing to run 627 01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:06,000 some ideas that chiefs got by we've been listening to the committee and how you're absorbing 628 01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:12,160 information uh particularly statistical information and he's and chiefs been working with his staff on 629 01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:17,440 a completely different way of communicating with the public showing that outward facing information 630 01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:24,320 so it's been interesting to hear what you want to see how you want to see it um so you know but again 631 01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:29,680 i'm trying not to in any way jade the you know air cloud the lens you're looking through right 632 01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,840 now until we can get your your input back but i would like to kind of run through some of the 633 01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:38,240 ideas we've got that we're going to be moving forward with compartmentalize any changes to 634 01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:44,160 policy you know suggestions you have whether there's a price tag or not and we'll we'll formulate 635 01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:49,520 that in a report back to the council so we'll have a staffing study update she's work on overhauling 636 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:55,440 all the policies there's additional um questions and suggestions you have and then we will work 637 01:15:55,440 --> 01:16:00,880 these plans and it gives it gives him and his command staff it's sort of a contract with the 638 01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:05,520 community how we're going to move forward thank you 639 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:16,960 go ahead camya i just wanted to follow up uh have a follow-up question to that question which is 640 01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:24,000 um as a committee that helped like create a recommendation i understand it's a recommendation 641 01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:31,360 it's not necessarily that the city or the mayor will adopt all of the recommendations that we 642 01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:38,320 provide um we're hopeful that they will but will we be looped back in at the end to know 643 01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:46,880 what the outcome was like this is the product of what happened this is what we the finalized 644 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,480 product i was just wondering if we were going to be looking back in i don't know how long that 645 01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:58,240 take we can absolutely probably have a a wrap-up report back to you sometime in in october november 646 01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:03,520 you know what we've recommended what made its way into the budget what policy changes were involved 647 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,440 and what the next year looks like as a result of all these collective efforts and that way you've 648 01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:12,400 got something that you know is kind of a hard takeaway that shows the the work and the input 649 01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:17,760 that you provided with us but that was absolutely the reason is we wanted we just wanted different 650 01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:22,640 eyes different viewpoints on on how we're doing business so we're happy to put that together 651 01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:32,160 jeremy i'm gonna say before i ask my question that i am hesitant to ask it i was wishing someone else 652 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:37,600 would so i wouldn't have to but i'm gonna ask it anyway and it's really a question for you michael 653 01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:45,680 and it's i'd like to understand the spaces where it would be or would not be legal for the city of 654 01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:53,520 denton to consider a citizen oversight um either process or committee or board where we would sort 655 01:17:53,520 --> 01:18:02,160 of be allowed to stand in that space and where it is not permitted yeah that's a very complicated 656 01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:10,480 issue that i've dealt with for 20 years in austin my thought would be i'd like i personally would 657 01:18:10,480 --> 01:18:19,280 like the committee to recommend and try to stop me if i'm going too far but if you want some form of 658 01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:25,760 oversight how do you envision that because i can come up with a process that i think works but i 659 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:31,040 don't know if that's what the community or the city management wants so if you think there's some 660 01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:39,280 type of oversight that you want tell us what that is is that a person that works for the city is that 661 01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:45,920 an independent board is that who appoints that person what powers do you think they should have 662 01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:53,120 because what's legal under state law and under the contract is really going to depend on 663 01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:59,600 how that process is structured so i think we we'd like you to to give us some thoughts about how you 664 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:06,800 envision an oversight process working so while i very much respect that answer i don't know that 665 01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:13,040 i'm qualified or that any of us maybe are qualified to start sketching that out in a way that would be 666 01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:20,720 operational and so i guess my follow-up question would be i'm curious nationally across the country 667 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:25,920 what are some of the options that are being deployed right wrong or indifferent i'd like to 668 01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:31,360 kind of see where cities have stepped in the space so i can decide what i like about what they're 669 01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:36,960 doing or don't think will work for denton because our police department handles things differently 670 01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:41,920 and we have different information that we've been exposed to so i am curious about a minimum you 671 01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:47,680 could provide some examples or the city could and i understand you don't want to steer us in one 672 01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:52,560 particular direction or another but maybe our committee could review all of them and make 673 01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:59,440 pick and shoot cherry pick the things we agree to or not let me uh let me have the chief address 674 01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:03,360 this yeah we've got a meeting i think scheduled next week don't we chief 675 01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:10,960 so part of that conversation that we're having just so you all know is 676 01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:16,800 i'm kind of laying out the the roadwork because i've worked around citizens review panels so i'm 677 01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:23,840 used to them i understand them so i'm bringing in a couple of people professionals from a national 678 01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:30,000 organization for police oversight so they can have a discussion directly with us as city leadership 679 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:35,760 on just the questions that you're talking about right now jamie kind of how do you properly 680 01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:41,200 implement one because there's a there's a number of hours of training that that board have to go 681 01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:46,400 through a vetting process what does that look like what that final product look like to the community 682 01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:52,320 right so proactively we're going out and we're getting that information now to work towards 683 01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:59,360 because you know what we don't want to do is to be a example of what not to do for another city 684 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:05,600 we want to be an example of what works and one other thing i'll say is what 685 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:10,720 what works in los angeles or new york may not necessarily work here because 686 01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:18,000 we have certain state laws that we have to follow that may not be in another state and we have a 687 01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:25,760 i mean confer agreement so it's not a one-size-fits-all and jamie i think to your point we've 688 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:30,560 been talking through you know putting two or three different ways that this could be handled 689 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:39,520 and we could potentially have some involvement legally under chapter 143 and under the meat 690 01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:43,840 confer agreement there was i know there was a question last last week about going into all the 691 01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:48,880 detail of these policies and and the state laws and that sort of thing we just wanted to try to 692 01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:54,480 give the committee some idea of just how constrained and confined we are under these laws so but there 693 01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:59,840 is probably a way to provide you two or three options of you know places that it could work 694 01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:04,880 and so we'd like to if the committee wants us to bring some ideas to you to kick around 695 01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:10,480 that we think are legally defensible we can do that but like michael says i i don't think it's 696 01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:16,160 fair to necessarily throw everything back on the committee because you're just not experts in that 697 01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:20,880 area but we can we can formulate some ideas for you to kick around that we think that work and 698 01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:25,120 that would be useful to the committee and the department as well trying to be as non-defensive 699 01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:35,840 as possible about it gary on this topic and really going back to yancey your comments at the beginning 700 01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:40,800 which i thought were outstanding i know i have very little knowledge on this topic that we're 701 01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:45,440 discussing right now but i would love to hear where yancey weighs in and what his thoughts would be 702 01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:50,800 and i think it's the wisdom of the city council and how they built this committee with a diverse 703 01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:55,680 set of skills and expertise so yancey i applaud you for what you said at the beginning i'm going to 704 01:22:55,680 --> 01:23:01,200 actually ask you if you could step in and help some of us who don't have your professional experience 705 01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:11,120 in the area that jamie's bring bringing up so i will always welcome whatever the community 706 01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:18,000 recommends but like back to what michael said because denton is unique and we fall under 707 01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:24,720 chapter 143 so what might work in i wouldn't even say another state i mean another state i'll say 708 01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:30,960 even another city in texas not all cities in texas fall under chapter 143 so we have the 709 01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:37,120 meet and confer agreement and we have 143 that we have to follow up under so i'll applaud the 710 01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:42,880 chief as well as the city already stepping out trying to seek professional help because we feel 711 01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:48,880 like that is possibly coming but what is the legal in the right way that is going to actually 712 01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:53,680 tailor to the city of denton because just because we come up with a recommendation 713 01:23:53,680 --> 01:24:01,520 as a committee that may not fit the state law so then the committee will be you know well my 714 01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:05,520 recommendation wasn't good enough or they might even throw it back well the police association 715 01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:10,160 may have had an influence in that so that's the reason why the police didn't move forward 716 01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:15,280 it don't have to do with the police association it's dealing with meet confer and the 143 717 01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:19,280 so i hope that answers your question thank you yancey 718 01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,440 before we wrap up um does anybody have anything else 719 01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:28,480 ronda 720 01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:35,280 can't hear you ronda where'd you go i don't know every time i 721 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:49,440 i'm curious if we know uh the impact of education prior to coming into police training if that has 722 01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:55,120 any impact on an officer's use of inappropriate force 723 01:24:55,120 --> 01:25:05,440 do you understand the question so do officers who come in yeah i understand there's actually 724 01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:10,080 some police departments that require a bachelor's degree before you're hired and i will tell you 725 01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:18,320 that there isn't a big gap in that okay that's what i would have guessed it's got to have more 726 01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:23,040 to do with the with the training that the police get as a police officer but i'm serious thank you 727 01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:32,160 i have a comment yes madam chair yes sir there were some events that occurred in 728 01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:42,480 minnesota that um and then other communities around the country that precipitated uh the 729 01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:52,400 creation of this committee and so i know that i'll say i know i believe that when it was created we 730 01:25:52,400 --> 01:26:02,000 wanted to make sure that if we faced a situation that was quite difficult that we had policies 731 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:07,360 and procedures and training in place to do a better job than what was done in minnesota 732 01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:14,240 so my my question slash comment concern is this once we get through this process 733 01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:25,600 will we feel that we have adequately prepared ourselves not to become a minneapolis 734 01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:37,120 i'm not expecting an answer i'm just saying that's that's kind of what's in me is we're 735 01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:44,000 going to go through all of this and then at the end will we feel that all of we've all that we've 736 01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:50,080 gone through all we discussed all that we've addressed will it get us to where we feel that 737 01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:57,520 we're better prepared than those folks were in minnesota katina 738 01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:06,000 forgot okay you can go to mr william i had a brain fart sorry i'll if i think of it again i'll 739 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:18,480 come back yes willy okay we can't hear you and i can't i can barely see you there you go there you 740 01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:31,120 go game on you hey i'm going to hold on just some background noise here got to turn one of 741 01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:35,040 your devices off you got to turn your phone off if you're going to be on your computer you can't 742 01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:44,240 have both unmuted okay okay there we go oh she's doing it again 743 01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:10,480 there we go that's it right there there you go okay can you hear me now can't hear me 744 01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:19,280 we can hear you hear me now yes yes yes yes can't hear me yes we can hear you 745 01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:25,920 willy we can hear you willy 746 01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,080 willy we can hear you 747 01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:41,520 we can hear you just fine oh yeah we can hear you 748 01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:49,520 willy we can hear you 749 01:28:56,240 --> 01:29:01,680 where'd it go willy we can hear you 750 01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:08,080 ah i can't find it somewhere 751 01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:20,800 hey we can hear you we can hear you we can hear you mr willy somebody text him i am i think he 752 01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:30,720 turned off that's okay that's okay you gotta okay i finally got a smile out of chief dixon though 753 01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:34,720 i'm trying i'm trying not to you 754 01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:44,320 uh katina go ahead i'm gonna call willy if uh someone asked an interesting question about um 755 01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:50,320 education and so it made me think about something is there it has there been research or studies 756 01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:59,200 about um the profile of officers who are um getting um disciplined for excessive force 757 01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:05,920 is there has there been data that's being been collected about maybe the type of personality the 758 01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:15,760 type of background that you know just um any type of profile um that can be um like looked at or 759 01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:22,000 it's how you wait me where you're laughing with me or at me like my wife does at you okay 760 01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:28,560 somebody said okay let me let me see that i think i found it can you hear me now 761 01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:34,800 okay so stop laughing like you something wrong with you let me uh let me add something that i 762 01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:39,920 thought about what you all said and i need to it's for me i'm saying it to you let me 763 01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:47,600 we can hear you we can hear you okay good okay when we have this next the meeting where we have 764 01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:54,160 the we have the public talking i'm reminding myself and hopefully i'm reminding you and i'm 765 01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:58,720 gonna get a light in here because i know i'm black right now i gotta work on that i gotta become a 766 01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:06,880 white person just for me anyway i want us to listen at what the public says talking to myself now 767 01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:15,520 they are going to make comments to myself ask questions for clarification so that i can 768 01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:20,960 understand what they're trying to say because now my old objective is to get this report to the team 769 01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:28,640 at on the city council rather get the report that helps the police department do what we wanted to 770 01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:36,960 do uh brother baines was saying let's do whatever we can do to not have a situation that becomes 771 01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:45,040 worse because we didn't do what we were supposed to do well guys that's not our charge our charges 772 01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:55,120 gotta be kidding me oh that's not you sure okay okay our charges to come up with the report that's 773 01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:59,680 gonna be a difficult thing to do i can tell you right now for all of us to come together with 774 01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:12,160 something that we can agree on something that we can come up with that we all agree on to help the 775 01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:20,160 city well i notice when i listen to you even now the committee members there are little bits and 776 01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:26,080 pieces of what you say and what you're concerned about and your thought process that i can take 777 01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:33,600 i'm taking as a matter of fact and i'm going to use that in a positive way so i'm just saying when 778 01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:38,400 we have that net at next meeting with the public and that's the one i'm looking forward to these 779 01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:45,280 reports are wearing me completely out but that as you all say it they're helpful to you but i want 780 01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:52,640 to hear what the public has to say and again pull from that what i can get to help me create the 781 01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:58,400 report that's going to be beneficial for what the city has asked us to do and the mayor's leadership 782 01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:03,200 thank you okay thank you willy you know how to turn it back off now 783 01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:14,720 yes i do okay well i can i can still hear you okay stop talking okay camion oh i'm sorry 784 01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:24,000 hang on camion question though oh i'm sorry katina oh it's okay that's why i was raising my hand i 785 01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:29,520 want to answer katina's question so has there been there's been a few different studies out there 786 01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:34,560 one thing i think would be beneficial for the committee in whole is to have dr williams kind 787 01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:40,080 of talk about the accreditation process that we've entered into which kind of addresses some of that 788 01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:47,040 but the complexity of looking at the causations behind uses of force expect excessive uses of 789 01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:52,640 force especially are kind of wrapped into some of that accreditation process it's also wrapped into 790 01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:58,720 the peer support process because we have these officers going out and they're going from a baby 791 01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:04,880 death traffic fatality a sexual assault call and then they stop you on a traffic stop and you say 792 01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:10,880 one thing to them and it tips the scale very quickly so we're trying to take a more holistic look at 793 01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:17,840 everything right so um doc and i were just talking a little bit so i think dr williams if we can get 794 01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:24,160 him carved out probably 15 minutes to talk through that maybe next week if you guys are okay with that 795 01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:27,760 it may set the stage for some of these other discussions yeah that'll be fine 796 01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:40,480 camion and then ronda hey so i just wanted to thank willie for that joy for a moment that was 797 01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:54,560 a nice uh uh i wanted to respond to john baines's question around like are we going to feel better 798 01:34:54,560 --> 01:35:02,000 about these are we going to feel like our policies help prevent a situation like what happened 799 01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:08,400 um i agree with willie i don't think that that's necessary i don't think we have the power to do 800 01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:13,200 that to be completely honest and i think as a member of this committee that's one of the things 801 01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:19,040 i've been grappling with is like as an individual or even as this many people who live in dentin we 802 01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:24,960 actually don't have that power to prevent that so i just wanted to share that with folks but also 803 01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:31,600 um to mention that when we uplifted earlier that there was a section on um during meeting one that 804 01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:38,080 everyone kind of was like wondering about that policy it was airway restriction of use of force 805 01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:42,720 so sarah's going to be sending that back out because we just requested it so if you're 806 01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:49,360 wondering about that specific policy that's the one that's coming back around this time and that 807 01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:55,920 i also wanted to uplift that i think i don't know how people are feeling about the timeline but i 808 01:35:55,920 --> 01:36:01,520 think that like with the things that have been lifted up about wanting to make things more 809 01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:12,080 accessible and available to the public along with um these suggested revisions to policies as well 810 01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:23,680 as um the the maybe clarifying exactly how we would want a community oversight board to look 811 01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:34,320 that coming up with like um a cohesive suggested policy from all of us i think might be it takes 812 01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:41,120 time to do that with a group this size virtually um and so especially with all the things we've 813 01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:47,040 just been uplifting so i just wanted to say that in my mind i'm thinking is the timeline that we 814 01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:52,400 still have actually accurate or does it need to be adjusted so i just wanted to lift that up those 815 01:36:52,400 --> 01:37:01,520 are the things that just came to my front of mind rondo is that you raising your hand yes ma'am okay 816 01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:06,240 okay so i just want to say i did ask a kind of a profile question when i asked someone about 817 01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:11,520 education but in general let's don't be too optimistic about personality profiles or any 818 01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:17,840 kind of profiles uh because the state of personality research is not um very well 819 01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:23,120 developed and i'm looking forward to the conversation next week with the i'm assuming 820 01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:29,120 he's a psychologist i'm not quite sure our physician psychiatrist someone who knows about 821 01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:33,760 mental health the chief mentions i was talking about our the accreditation process that we're 822 01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:38,800 going through ah okay dr williams that's right i don't know if he's above you on your screen 823 01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:43,680 no i don't see him uh okay all right well i'm gonna i'm gonna do a little 824 01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:50,400 research myself into the topic because i'm gonna have some questions about that thank you absolutely 825 01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:57,680 okay so we're not gonna have a meeting next week we'll be back on the 13th 826 01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:08,080 and then after that we'll have on the 20th that's when we'll have the second 827 01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:15,200 public input session um that's the one that willy is waiting for with baited breath 828 01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:25,920 and um i think we'll have one more time together and we'll we'll at the 13th we should start 829 01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:32,880 putting these policy recommendations together and so we can get back to um because we have a 830 01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:40,880 timeline um that we uh in september that all of this has to be presented to city council 831 01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:49,920 yes jamie if our group i'm not suggesting we do so you guys don't roll your eyes at me i'm just 832 01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:57,280 asking sarah for um mr mr helman i'm curious if our group decided that we needed to be able 833 01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:04,160 to accomplish this work to break into some subcommittees based on the topic areas like 834 01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:11,040 education or behavioral health or trans transparency or whatnot communication if we if we decided that 835 01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:16,800 that was be a way to start tackling actually operationalizing bringing things forward to the 836 01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:22,000 whole group to review i heard you say at the last meeting we're not allowed to talk to each other 837 01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:29,600 outside of here but if we decided collectively to to try to tackle things in that way is that 838 01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:35,840 permitted or how does that work exactly yeah we had a similar occurrence last year with the uh the 839 01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:41,600 bond committee that was put together where we had a group break off to consider financing options and 840 01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:47,600 and make a recommendation back to the um to the larger group um we just we had to follow the the 841 01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:52,880 texas open meeting at laws and we typically don't all of our ad hoc committees so if this group 842 01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:58,000 wanted to break down into a couple of subject areas um and everybody in a majority of you were 843 01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:01,840 fine with that we could certainly take that approach and then those specific recommendations 844 01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:07,200 could be brought back to the larger group it's probably more efficient quite frankly to operate 845 01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:14,000 that way um and just kind of listening to you i think i appreciate the comments i'm just breaking 846 01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:20,560 down um i guess some of the subject areas here that i'm hearing from you kind of training reporting 847 01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:26,560 um there was um the way that we're framing information so we've got five four or five 848 01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:32,400 different um areas that i think we could break down for you i want to see what kind of specific 849 01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:38,960 questions and concerns you have and see if they slide into those topical areas pretty simply if 850 01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,640 they do that's going to make this a little bit easier for us to organize for you and help you 851 01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:47,440 get it through but i do think that's a good suggestion if there's a group that wants to 852 01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:54,320 focus on on training and another group that wants to focus on you know any potential changes to 853 01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:58,560 wording on the use of force policy whatever however you want to do it we're fine with supporting it 854 01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:02,720 but i do think it makes sense i would i would just ask that if that's the direction you want to go 855 01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:08,000 that this you know we have volunteers and that the group as a whole is supportive of it we had 856 01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:11,520 we had to overcome a little bit of that opposition last year at the bond committee and 857 01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:16,720 and it lingered through the final vote to the city council some of them weren't too happy about it 858 01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:34,800 okay thank you todd does anybody have anything else before we yes camion sorry i have one more 859 01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:43,920 thing i know um on august 20th which means we have roughly 20ish 21 days to figure this out 860 01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:50,400 we heard from community members that they would like there to be some sort of alternative support 861 01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:55,760 if people might be triggered or have um hard conversations that they're sharing and i'm 862 01:41:55,760 --> 01:42:02,880 wondering if there's a way that we might be able to have like a volunteer counselor or a psychologist 863 01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:09,440 or someone on standby to like work with folks or like maybe you know i'm just wondering if 864 01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:21,440 that is a possibility if someone needs it 865 01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:32,400 we can have one of our victim services counselors on standby they're not they're not a treating 866 01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:39,040 physician or anything like that but but they handle crisis calls and so that sounds great 867 01:42:39,440 --> 01:42:49,120 to me willie thank you for that accommodation i'm sorry willie did you have your hand up 868 01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:58,320 okay then yes okay go ahead can you see me i can see you and i can hear you okay what color am i 869 01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:06,560 no no hold that teeth same color you were 15 minutes ago okay i i thought of something that 870 01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:12,640 i did what i did earlier and i would like to to be a part i think you're right we need to divide 871 01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:20,800 up in the groups uh and the group that i want to be a part of is there are some things that i think 872 01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:33,760 the chief has said uh we we've we we're doing this well and this is why i think it i i label it well 873 01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:40,960 he's got some things that he's got in place he said we do this well and i i this is why i say 874 01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:48,000 that it is well now what was interesting to me is he's honest enough he hadn't got into politics 875 01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:55,920 yet but i'm talking him into it but he's not there yet he said i really want he's he said these are 876 01:43:55,920 --> 01:44:04,560 the things that i really want input from and i think it's only right for us to hear what the chief 877 01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:12,320 has to say about that we we i think the other part is is very important too we say what we think 878 01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:19,440 should be done and what we think is is a good way to go i really want to hear what he says because 879 01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:25,840 he was honest enough when in the areas that when i talked to him about some things i think i don't 880 01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:31,200 think any less will come from him about these things so i i've learned that it's important to 881 01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:39,120 hear from the person who is trying to enact these policies to put them in play to work with them and 882 01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:44,080 to hear both of those we're doing this we think we're doing a good job and why 883 01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:51,440 secondly these are some things that i really think we need help in and what do you think about 884 01:44:51,440 --> 01:45:00,560 that area he's asking us that so that group when we divide up whatever you call that group i want 885 01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:08,720 to be on that one to come up with the policy the overall objective is to go together in our groups 886 01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:16,960 and come back with a policy that we give to this to the mayor to be presented to the city council 887 01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:20,880 that them kick it around and i think we're going to come out with something that's going to be 888 01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:28,880 pretty good i really do thank you and so you're gonna really listen willy right no didn't say that 889 01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:34,320 okay i just want to make sure i just want to make sure you're consistent with who you are 890 01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:46,000 okay thanks willy uh jamie i was just gonna say i am to echo a little bit of what willie is sharing 891 01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:52,320 i feel like that is a space where yancey and travis can speak into as well i know we have 892 01:45:52,320 --> 01:46:00,400 spent a lot of our time as a committee's talking about where we think um change could be made and 893 01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:06,080 experiences that we've had with police but i also and i said it at the first meeting i don't know 894 01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:12,080 that it was heard with the intent or the spirit that i have hoped but i do think that part of 895 01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:17,440 the reason i'm glad the two of you are on this committee is so that you can speak to any changes 896 01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:24,000 that we intend to make and how they may influence you and your peers and so as we listen to chief 897 01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:31,200 dixon he is the chief in his title and has ideas and resource at his disposal but you you two are 898 01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:36,720 closer to to the ground if you will and so i do want you to feel like you have space in this 899 01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:41,920 committee to share how you feel like the recommendations we're going to make are going 900 01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:52,960 to influence those that you work with thank you jamie yes we definitely want input because you 901 01:46:52,960 --> 01:47:00,480 guys are boots on the ground for us um we sit here but you're actually on the street and dealing 902 01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:06,480 with people from day to day going from incident to incident and so we appreciate you being here 903 01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:13,440 okay does anybody have anything katina is that your hand ronda is that your hand 904 01:47:13,440 --> 01:47:24,640 okay anybody have anything else before we wrap jesse did i see your hand okay okay i just really 905 01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:29,760 want to appreciate the committee because i know that we're engaging in some difficult conversations 906 01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:36,080 and one thing that makes me feel really good about being here is the diversity i love the 907 01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:42,720 fact that we have so many black officers in our committee that have all of this awesome experience 908 01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:50,640 and our leading voices and i appreciate the chief so much and then just everybody else all the all 909 01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:58,320 the diversity that we have and all the passion and and the various passions that we have individually 910 01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:04,640 that are that differ you know that are all across the board right um and that there is a space for 911 01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:10,560 us to share that because also you know there's a conversation that needs to happen and so many 912 01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:17,760 times that conversation is polarizing um and then things that should line up with justice 913 01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:25,520 gets thrown to a both sides argument that shouldn't exist because the only answer you know to oppression 914 01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:31,920 like as far as the only side is to stop the oppression and so i just want to you know we've 915 01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:39,200 been lighthearted tonight and i i really appreciate that because it's been rough um and even intimidating 916 01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:45,200 in being on this committee it's been very hard for me personally um and just even feeling like an 917 01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:51,760 imposter i mean just to be transparent and vulnerable and i'm honored to be here but i 918 01:48:51,760 --> 01:49:02,400 really am grateful that every time um you know the the more uh ferocious uh personalities like mine 919 01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:08,160 that are pushing for certain things every time those issues come up chief dickson has already 920 01:49:08,160 --> 01:49:13,920 thought about it he's already got things lined up that's extremely encouraging um when you think 921 01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:20,960 about where um as mr baines was pointing out where some other cities are um and so i'm just 922 01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:26,160 really encouraged and i just felt like i needed to say that um and i know that we're going to be 923 01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:31,840 digging into some heavy conversation and everybody's got their own ideas and platform but 924 01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:38,800 i really um i feel like it's great for the citizens of denton to see what it looks like 925 01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:44,880 to have a thoughtful conversation thank you thank you katina we appreciate you being here 926 01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:55,200 jamie was that your hand oh okay um okay so we're going to wrap it up if you guys don't have anything 927 01:49:55,200 --> 01:50:03,200 else you get a week off and then we'll be back so be back uh ready to go and look for the survey 928 01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:08,640 in your email again so we can get together and then see how to if we're going to break this up 929 01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:14,880 in groups how to do that so we can best come together and um and then come back and and have 930 01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:21,040 that so we can hit the ground running so um you guys have a great rest of the week and i'll see 931 01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:29,200 you guys we'll see you guys on the 12th bye you have a good evening