WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.640 Good morning. My name is Marty Rivers. I'm the chair of the downtown economic development 00:00:07.640 --> 00:00:13.960 committee. It's 833. We're going to call the meeting to order. And the first thing we will 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:20.200 do is a roll call. So when I call your name, let us know that you're present. I'm just 00:00:20.200 --> 00:00:33.680 going to go around my screen here. Brock McKnight. Melissa Lindenburg. I need you to speak so 00:00:33.680 --> 00:00:49.840 people can hear. You might have to join audio, Melissa. Melissa's here. Bob Moses. I'm here. 00:00:49.840 --> 00:01:02.640 John Cartwright. Present. Monty Jensen. Here. Hank Dickinson. I am here. Beth Lewis. Here. 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:11.960 Did I get everybody on the committee? I think so. All right. Thanks for being here today. 00:01:11.960 --> 00:01:18.160 It's nice to see some faces I hadn't seen in a while. And appreciate you logging in 00:01:18.160 --> 00:01:23.880 this morning and bearing with us as we go through this meeting on Zoom. Our first item 00:01:23.880 --> 00:01:32.520 up for consideration is EDP 20-021. Consider approval of the minutes of our March 5th, 00:01:32.520 --> 00:01:42.160 2020 meeting. And I will accept any motions or comments. I'll make a motion to accept 00:01:42.160 --> 00:01:51.640 that. I'm Bob Moses. Thank you, Bob. I'll second. We got a motion by Bob and a second 00:01:51.640 --> 00:02:03.360 by Monty. Any discussion on our March minutes? All right. All those in favor, say aye by 00:02:03.360 --> 00:02:08.640 raising your hand. Can you do the roll call because we can't see everybody? We've got 00:02:08.640 --> 00:02:26.320 to do a roll call. All right. Brock? Aye. Melissa? She said a thumbs up. Aye. Bob? Aye. John? 00:02:26.320 --> 00:02:37.240 Aye. Monty? Aye. Hank? Aye. Beth? Aye. I think we got everybody. Okay. Motion. Marty, this 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:47.600 is Michael Talley as well. Aye. Hello. We've got a unanimous consent to approve the minutes. 00:02:47.600 --> 00:02:57.840 So we'll move on to the next item, which is EDP 20-002. Receive a report, hold discussion 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:04.440 and make a recommendation to the downtown TURS number one board regarding a downtown 00:03:04.440 --> 00:03:11.720 reinvestment grant program application for 213 East Hickory Street, Hickory to Oak. And 00:03:11.720 --> 00:03:18.400 we have a special guest this morning, Eric Polito. I don't know if staff is going to 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:25.000 make the presentation, I guess. Yes. Have everything in your backup as well. So I'll 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:29.360 roll through the slides and then at the end we'll give you a chance to ask questions and 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:51.240 then we'll talk about the scoring sheet, okay? Let me share my screen with you. There we 00:03:51.240 --> 00:04:03.680 go. So this will be our charges to consider making a recommendation to the downtown TURS 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:10.240 board. Just wanted to quickly review with you all the parts of the project that when 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:15.320 we review it, that's what we're looking for. So we want to look at for an increase in property 00:04:15.320 --> 00:04:21.640 valuation and sales tax, historical accuracy, improvements to water, wastewater, improvements 00:04:21.640 --> 00:04:28.200 to health and safety. It results in a significant increase in downtown population and other 00:04:28.200 --> 00:04:35.640 impacts that are not limited to partners with other businesses as a target business or promotes 00:04:35.640 --> 00:04:43.920 development of arts and entertainment downtown. Additionally, we'll look at facade rehabilitation 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:48.680 and the new awnings and signs. That's where this one is going to follow is under the new 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:57.880 signs. We also consider impact fee reimbursement, utility upgrades and interior code improvements. 00:04:57.880 --> 00:05:04.040 So this is the location of the property that we're looking at today. This is the proposed 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:20.520 mural. So the mural is, as you can see, Day of the Dead. And it's the day of the most, 00:05:20.520 --> 00:05:24.920 I can't even say it today. I've been practicing all along and I can't say it, but it's for 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:32.520 Day of the Dead and it embodies the coffin races that traditionally happened during the 00:05:32.520 --> 00:05:41.920 festival that happens on Industrial Street. They're also looking to add a metal and neon 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:51.680 sign to the facade of the front of the building there. So back in, sorry, let me do this. 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:59.160 In 2013, the property at 211 East Hickory was awarded a $10,000 grant for facade awnings 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:04.280 and paint improvements. And recently, the three addresses have been pulled together 00:06:04.280 --> 00:06:11.400 and now part of one property. And so because of that, the current guidelines would allow 00:06:11.400 --> 00:06:16.960 for up to an additional $1,500 in grant awards for the property. The expenses submitted for 00:06:16.960 --> 00:06:25.200 the signs total $14,625. That's the estimated project costs and the grant request is for 00:06:25.200 --> 00:06:34.160 $7,313. So these are our options to either make no recommendation to the Downtown Tourists 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:39.080 or make a recommendation to the Tourist Board in the amount equal to the scoring sheet guidelines. 00:06:39.080 --> 00:06:46.480 And so I did attach the scoring sheet for you. I won't require them, but we're going 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:58.840 to try something different this year. But first, let's go to questions. So does anyone 00:06:58.840 --> 00:07:10.440 have any questions for Eric? I have a question. Who is going to do the sign? Is it a student 00:07:10.440 --> 00:07:17.100 or is it someone that's done other art around the city? I'd just like to know a little bit 00:07:17.100 --> 00:07:26.360 about who's actually going to perform the art? Yes. The mural has already been completed 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:32.000 and it was done by Dan Black, who as you may know has done a lot of murals around town 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:38.560 and around the world now. So it's kind of cool that we're getting to use him for that 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:45.280 mural. I also, before we had done that, had talked with David Pierce, who heads it up 00:07:45.280 --> 00:07:50.920 Day of the Dead Festival and they really celebrated us doing that mural on that street. So it 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:59.120 seemed like it was a really champion thing by those involved. Mural's up and the sign 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:03.520 was put up over the weekend. Yes, the sign just got put up and that was done by Mellow 00:08:03.520 --> 00:08:13.080 signs. Okay, I'll have to get down the street and see what it is. I haven't seen it. Okay. 00:08:13.080 --> 00:08:19.600 Any other questions? I have a question. When do you think you might be open for business? 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:27.440 That's a good question. It's a tough one because we're still now working to finish and get 00:08:27.440 --> 00:08:37.440 a CO, but as a lot of you guys know, it's a tough one because opening might just be 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:41.320 more difficult than not being open. So we're kind of waiting to see a little bit more of 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:47.680 a light to appear. But we're excited to get it there and then we're going to do everything 00:08:47.680 --> 00:08:53.400 to be ready to be open. There was a pause obviously, but now we've kind of dug back 00:08:53.400 --> 00:09:15.760 into finish the inside and everything, get our CO. Any more questions? Okay. So what 00:09:15.760 --> 00:09:19.120 I'd like for you to do is to go ahead and take a look at your scoring sheet and fill 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:28.300 it out and then text me your score with your last name. So I have my number listed up there 00:09:28.300 --> 00:09:34.960 on the top for you. And then once you've done that, I'll calculate the average score and 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:38.720 then we'll move forward from there. 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:51.960 So you just gave your cell phone out to thousands of people watching this program this morning? 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:53.680 Yeah, sure. 00:09:53.680 --> 00:09:58.680 No, that's actually not Christina's real cell phone number. That's a system that we have 00:09:58.680 --> 00:10:06.120 set up for this exact purpose. So thank you. But Christina will respond to anyone who texts 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:15.720 that number, I think I will. 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:21.520 I'm still working on it. I had to go get a pen, but I'm going to be I've never done the 00:10:21.520 --> 00:10:30.680 texting while I do this. So I'm going to be giving you an anonymous number in a minute. 00:10:30.680 --> 00:10:36.600 Christina, where is your cell number featured here? 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:40.760 Sorry. Yeah, I got you. 00:10:40.760 --> 00:10:46.720 Oh, do I just punch that text number and be able to punch in a number? 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:51.680 Yeah, text, put that number in to text to it and then just write your last name in the 00:10:51.680 --> 00:10:54.720 message and your total score. 00:10:54.720 --> 00:11:01.080 I guess I don't know how to go into text and not lose this connection here. So I'll be 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:14.320 a dummy and give you a number in a minute. 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:29.720 While we're doing that, I got a text from Alex this morning. He had something come up 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:44.960 all of a sudden that he was unable to make it 00:11:44.960 --> 00:12:03.080 22. Gang, I got to get on the road again, but I should be back to a stationary location 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:23.960 shortly but I'm going to go off video for a minute. 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:37.400 I need my Michael Talley and there's rocks right there. 00:12:37.400 --> 00:12:54.320 Thank you, Brock. 00:12:54.320 --> 00:13:23.040 So I have Margie, Melissa, oh, thank you. 00:13:23.040 --> 00:13:29.580 Christina, did you get mine? 00:13:29.580 --> 00:13:54.200 I did get yours. Thank you. 00:13:54.200 --> 00:14:10.040 Okay, are we missing any scores? Is anyone still sending? If not, we'll have Christina 00:14:10.040 --> 00:14:31.760 total it. Okay, I received Marty, Melissa, Hank, Monty, Brock, Michael and Beth. 00:14:31.760 --> 00:14:45.040 Don, do we have yours? I sent it. 940-220-9015? 00:14:45.040 --> 00:14:59.720 I think it's 51. Oh, is it dyslexia? Tell me the number again. 940-220-9051. 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:06.280 Someone got a fun text message from John. 00:15:06.280 --> 00:15:07.280 Yeah. 00:15:07.280 --> 00:15:18.640 I guess we need to all get some teenagers to come in and help us while we're doing this. 00:15:18.640 --> 00:15:19.640 About now. 00:15:19.640 --> 00:15:20.640 Okay, got it. 00:15:20.640 --> 00:15:22.800 Thank you, ma'am. 00:15:22.800 --> 00:15:28.000 So if we want, we can move on to the next presentation while Christina is totaling the 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:30.320 scores and come back to this item. 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:32.120 Let's do that. 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:37.000 Okay. Marty, do you mind going a little bit out of order and I'll allow Todd Essis and 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:43.680 Engineering to do their presentation before mine that way, which is agenda item D. 00:15:43.680 --> 00:15:51.160 Yep, let's do that. EDP 20-028, receive a report, hold discussion and give staff direction 00:15:51.160 --> 00:15:58.440 regarding one-way versus two-way streets in downtown Denton. 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:05.640 Good morning. We're actually going to have Brian Yahn, who is speaking remotely. I'll 00:16:05.640 --> 00:16:09.960 move the slides forward, but if we get a little bit of a lag, then I'll jump in and we'll 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:15.480 go from there. Brian definitely explains it better than I do. And I also tell Brian, you 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:18.600 better tell them what you want to tell them because otherwise you're going to live with 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:22.320 what I tell them, which is never, never really a good thing, I think. 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:26.120 Never. It's never a good thing. 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:36.920 All right. I'll let you start the slide. Can you hear me, Todd? Okay. 00:16:36.920 --> 00:16:50.840 So good morning, everyone. My name is Brian Yahn. I'm the City Traffic Engineer for Denton. 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:56.600 I'm here to talk to you today about one-way and two-way streets. And I want to clarify, 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:02.760 if you had seen the first slide, I had originally titled this one-way versus two-way streets, 00:17:02.760 --> 00:17:08.560 but it's not really a competition. Both our tools and the toolbox, they each have their 00:17:08.560 --> 00:17:15.800 place. And so we're really here today to talk about pros and cons, the characteristics of 00:17:15.800 --> 00:17:22.840 each, and just have a discussion on the four streets, Oak, Hickory, Elm, and Locust, and 00:17:22.840 --> 00:17:29.080 how they should, how the community wants them to function in the future. So this slide, 00:17:29.080 --> 00:17:32.980 are two-way streets better than one-way streets? If you ask two traffic engineers that question, 00:17:32.980 --> 00:17:40.520 you're going to get three answers. Next slide, please. Yes, no, and maybe. So it's this maybe 00:17:40.520 --> 00:17:46.000 that's in the middle ground where it says it depends, but I want to focus today, because 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:51.320 it really does depend. Next slide, please. It depends on the goals of the community and 00:17:51.320 --> 00:17:58.480 how they want these streets to function and live within the community itself. Topics we 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:05.680 really want to cover today are safety, economic vitality, mobility, and congestion. So we 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:11.000 want to look at how the pedestrian and bicycle safety is improved or are not improved, the 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:16.640 vehicular crashes. We want to look how one-way streets and two-way streets change the access 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:24.560 to businesses, affect the travel distances that customers and consumers have to experience. 00:18:24.560 --> 00:18:30.320 City options. What are the bike-ped facilities options? How do they affect transit and how 00:18:30.320 --> 00:18:36.320 do they affect parking? And then congestion, which is how most of us interact with our 00:18:36.320 --> 00:18:41.280 city streets, and that's typically in our vehicle. Does it add delay? Does it improve 00:18:41.280 --> 00:18:48.160 the flow? What are the speeds like? And if we have the congestion, does it force people 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:52.280 onto parallel facilities where we really don't want a lot of through traffic? It's that cut 00:18:52.280 --> 00:18:58.840 through traffic that we often hear about. Next slide, please. So first topic is safety. 00:18:58.840 --> 00:19:05.040 Next slide. So this is the format I'm going to pursue this entire presentation. One-way 00:19:05.040 --> 00:19:08.800 streets will be on your left, two-way streets will be on your right. So one-way streets, 00:19:08.800 --> 00:19:11.280 pedestrians have the advantage. If you're crossing the main street, you only have to 00:19:11.280 --> 00:19:15.480 look in one direction because theoretically there's not supposed to be a car coming from 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:19.480 the other direction. So that's kind of an advantage. On two-way streets, if you have 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:24.400 a four-leg intersection with two-way streets coming from all directions and you've got 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:28.360 a few more options or requirements where you have to look left, right, left again, like 00:19:28.360 --> 00:19:34.920 we learned when we were children. Next slide, please. On one-way streets, one of the disadvantages 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:39.840 is that as pedestrians cross a multi-lane one-way street, if you can see in the picture 00:19:39.840 --> 00:19:44.840 on your left, pedestrian is stepped off the curb, but that second vehicle on the right-hand 00:19:44.840 --> 00:19:49.960 side of the screen can't see them yet. So a lot of times that's a conflict where one 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:54.280 car will stop, the other car sees the car stop and doesn't know why and keeps going. 00:19:54.280 --> 00:19:59.680 And then we have the potential for a crash with the pedestrian or cyclist in that crosswalk. 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:04.440 Two-way streets, you've got only one, if we're talking about a two-lane street, which most 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:11.240 of the four that we're looking at are typically two lanes, we're looking at a scenario where 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:15.480 you've got much better visibility, you've only got one car and one lane, so the pedestrian 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:21.520 is in a much safer environment. Next slide, please. One-way streets typically will have 00:20:21.520 --> 00:20:27.840 much fewer conflict points, which leads to a lower crash potential. So a one-way main 00:20:27.840 --> 00:20:32.360 street with a two-way side street, you've got 20 conflict points for motorists and ped 00:20:32.360 --> 00:20:37.640 bike. On a two-way street, you've doubled that, you've got 40 conflict points, more 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:45.100 opportunities for crashes and mistakes. Next slide, please. One-way streets, because they 00:20:45.100 --> 00:20:50.640 don't have that friction of head-on traffic, somebody coming at you, the potential for 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:55.480 the motorists coming in the opposite direction can lead to higher speeds and that leads to 00:20:55.480 --> 00:21:02.680 the potential for higher severity of crashes. So you have fewer but more severe crashes. 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:07.480 On a two-way street network, typically we'll see lower speeds because you've got the at 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:11.140 least the potential for somebody to be coming at you in the other direction, lowers the 00:21:11.140 --> 00:21:17.880 speeds and also lowers the severity of crashes. Now as a follow-on, because we saw the previous 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:22.280 slide, we've got twice the number of high conflict points. We've got, you typically 00:21:22.280 --> 00:21:28.120 will see a 30% bump in the number of crashes. There'll be fewer, there'll be fender benders, 00:21:28.120 --> 00:21:34.960 lower speed, less severe, but the actual number of crashes typically will rise. Next slide, 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:40.520 please. So this is just a little accident history on the two couplets that we're talking 00:21:40.520 --> 00:21:46.000 about. Oak and Hickory on the top, west is on your left and east is on your right. So 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:55.560 you'll see that we've got fairly consistent crash. This is from 2010 to 2020, 617 crashes, 00:21:55.560 --> 00:22:00.040 zero fatalities and 110 injuries and fairly evenly distributed east and west throughout 00:22:00.040 --> 00:22:07.800 the entire corridor. Very few segments have really, really low. You can see a couple on 00:22:07.800 --> 00:22:16.320 Oak and Hickory about two, three blocks west of Carroll, where we've got some lower crash 00:22:16.320 --> 00:22:22.640 volumes, but throughout the corridor, pretty consistent. On Elm and Locust, and I apologize 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:26.280 for this, but north is to your right. It's just, there's no way I could format this on 00:22:26.280 --> 00:22:34.320 the slide deck, but you'll see that downtown, quite a few crashes and when you get up to 00:22:34.320 --> 00:22:40.040 university, quite a few crashes. But in that middle distance, and again, this is 2010 to 00:22:40.040 --> 00:22:46.640 2020, this is 10 years where the data in that, you know, between downtown and university, 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:53.040 it dropped significantly. You get 1,087 crashes, so almost 1,100 crashes, two fatalities and 00:22:53.040 --> 00:22:58.680 362 injuries. So that's just a little bit of crash history for these two corridors. 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:06.480 Next slide, please. Next topic we're going to talk about is economic vitality, and how 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:13.720 the characteristics of one-way and two-way streets can affect that. Next slide. So one-way 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:18.520 streets are harder for visitors to navigate. If we live in the community, typically we'll 00:23:18.520 --> 00:23:23.880 know which streets are one-way, and if I need to go from point A to point B, I've got to 00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:28.920 go here, take a left and turn right or turn left again. But for visitors, it's not nearly 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:35.200 as common-sensical. They don't know which streets are going to be one-way. Is it one 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:41.200 street? Is it two streets? Is it four streets? And that's taken away when you've got a two-way 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:48.280 street grid. So you can travel in any direction on any street, and it allows for just easier 00:23:48.280 --> 00:23:55.640 access for those visitors. Next slide. The other characteristic of a one-way street network 00:23:55.640 --> 00:24:01.380 is that it will typically increase the distance you have to travel. And I've just used if 00:24:01.380 --> 00:24:06.120 someone's coming from the east on University and they want to go to Giuseppe's downtown, 00:24:06.120 --> 00:24:11.400 this is my example. The orange would be the one-way street where you've got to come down 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:18.720 Elm, turn and come back north on Locust, versus if both streets were two-way, you would simply 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:23.960 turn on Locust and get to your destination. So depending upon the street grid and where 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:28.640 you're trying to go in that grid, it can significantly increase the travel distance, which is something 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:34.040 that we try to avoid. It's more emissions, it's greater opportunity for crashes. So if 00:24:34.040 --> 00:24:39.760 we can shorten the travel distance, that's a win. Next slide. All right. We like to talk 00:24:39.760 --> 00:24:45.920 a little bit about mobility. Next slide. On a one-way streets, one of the, and you can 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:50.360 see this as an advantage or just a characteristic, but if you're on a one-way streets, you only 00:24:50.360 --> 00:24:55.040 need a bike lane in one direction. If you're on a two-way streets, the expectation is that 00:24:55.040 --> 00:25:00.760 you have a bike lane for each direction. So it kind of doubles that need for bicycle infrastructure. 00:25:00.760 --> 00:25:08.840 And just as a caveat, one of the foundation points of this discussion is that we're not 00:25:08.840 --> 00:25:13.160 talking about reconstruction. So if we're talking about converting any of these streets 00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:18.940 from one-way to two-way, we're leaving the curves in place. So we've got a finite distance 00:25:18.940 --> 00:25:22.600 of pavement. So it's really all about what do we do with that pavement? What are our 00:25:22.600 --> 00:25:28.760 goals? What's most important? If bike facilities are high on that list, then a two-way street 00:25:28.760 --> 00:25:34.940 can impact the rest of the remainder of the pavement, because if that expectation is satisfied 00:25:34.940 --> 00:25:41.680 of having a bike lane in each direction, we've used twice as much. Next slide. 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:48.800 So on a one-way street, if, and this is really talking about two different categories, deliveries 00:25:48.800 --> 00:25:54.040 and then, and it doesn't seem like it would be the natural pairing, but transit operates 00:25:54.040 --> 00:26:01.520 very similarly. If you've got a two-way, a two-lane, one-way street, then if a delivery 00:26:01.520 --> 00:26:07.740 truck or a transit vehicle needs to stop to unload cargo or passengers, they're going 00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:13.640 to block a lane. There's just no way we can avoid that. So if you've got a one-way, two-lane 00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:18.920 scenario, you've got a bypass lane. So the vehicle will just, if you're behind that transit 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:24.340 vehicle, that delivery vehicle, you have the opportunity to change lanes and move forward. 00:26:24.340 --> 00:26:28.320 On a two-way street network, where you've got that same amount of pavement, you've got 00:26:28.320 --> 00:26:32.600 two lanes and now you've got one in each direction, if a transit vehicle or a delivery vehicle 00:26:32.600 --> 00:26:39.960 needs to stop and unload, they take the entire lane and typically it's not safe or you may 00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:46.000 not have the opportunity to get around it. So that's a significant consideration of how 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:53.400 we want to maintain our, or manage our congestion, because that can lead to some significant 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:57.880 additional delays if you've got a lot of deliveries or a lot of transit stops in a corridor that 00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:05.440 you've converted from one-way to two-way. Next slide, please. So on-street parking may 00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:11.040 limit or preclude on-street bike facilities. So this is just something that is, again, 00:27:11.040 --> 00:27:16.120 and we'll talk a little bit more about parking later in the presentation, but it's just, 00:27:16.120 --> 00:27:20.320 again, we're dealing with a finite amount of pavement. We're not going to reconstruct, 00:27:20.320 --> 00:27:26.760 so it's the same curb to curb that we've got today. And it's all about the choice of what 00:27:26.760 --> 00:27:30.760 we want to put in that pavement. Is parking more important? Is bike more important? Is 00:27:30.760 --> 00:27:36.240 transit more important? These are all decisions that need to be made and weighed prior to 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:45.680 that conversion. So next slide, please. Congestion. Next slide. So one-way streets provide up 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:52.120 to 50% more lane capacity. A lot of that is due to the friction that we talked about. 00:27:52.120 --> 00:27:56.560 You get more throughput when people don't have to worry about a car coming at them from 00:27:56.560 --> 00:28:02.720 the other direction. You've got fewer delays associated with left turns, because all the 00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:07.120 turns off of the main street are free. So you don't have to wait. If I'm on a one-way 00:28:07.120 --> 00:28:10.520 street and I want to turn left, I get in that left lane and I turn left. I don't have to 00:28:10.520 --> 00:28:15.880 wait on anybody. It allows for greater vehicle throughput, but again, that's that two-edged 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:23.880 sword. It can lead to faster vehicular speeds and that more intense, more severe crash history. 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:30.120 A two-way street network provides less, and I'll call this capacity or throughput, because 00:28:30.120 --> 00:28:34.640 again, as we saw earlier, those number of conflict points are much higher. And if you 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:39.560 want to make a left turn from a two-lane, two-way street, you've got to wait for that 00:28:39.560 --> 00:28:44.720 gap between traffic in the opposite direction to make your left turn. So very much like 00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:50.360 a delivery or a transit vehicle, when that left turn is happening and there's traffic 00:28:50.360 --> 00:28:54.960 coming the other direction, everybody behind that vehicle has to stop and wait. So that's 00:28:54.960 --> 00:29:04.360 again, it adds to delay, adds to some perceived congestion. Next slide, please. Very, very 00:29:04.360 --> 00:29:09.360 much a follow-on point. The increase in efficiency for vehicular flow, that progression, even 00:29:09.360 --> 00:29:14.400 if you're in a corridor with signals, with one way and you can think about Elm on Locust 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:20.320 or Oak and Hickory, we can time those signals so that because there's no left turn conflict 00:29:20.320 --> 00:29:24.280 there's nobody coming in the other direction, we can time them so that as you get to that, 00:29:24.280 --> 00:29:27.320 as you approach the next signal, it turns green. And as you approach the next signal, 00:29:27.320 --> 00:29:33.480 it turns green. On a two-way street, those left turns will typically hinder that progression. 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:40.760 Now, you can still achieve it, but not nearly to the same extent. Next slide, please. This 00:29:40.760 --> 00:29:46.920 is an important concept for people who may not be using those roadways, but might live 00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:54.720 adjacent to them. Because we've got this one-way configuration that's able to carry more efficient 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:59.840 flow of traffic, may have higher vehicular speeds, it's much more attractive for people 00:29:59.840 --> 00:30:05.600 who are simply going from point A to point B to stay on those roadways. If we convert 00:30:05.600 --> 00:30:09.460 those to two-way and start increasing that congestion, increasing that delay, the left 00:30:09.460 --> 00:30:15.680 turns are kind of clogging stuff up, deliveries may be blocking lanes periodically, what we 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:21.360 see is that people will find, even though it may not be truly faster, it is perceived, 00:30:21.360 --> 00:30:26.560 they perceive that they are saving time by cutting through. And a lot of times, unfortunately, 00:30:26.560 --> 00:30:30.120 this is through a neighborhood. So a lot of the residential streets, there are a lot of 00:30:30.120 --> 00:30:35.160 residential areas that are parallel or adjacent to these corridors, we'll see an increase 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:38.680 in what they call cut-through traffic. And that's something that we typically try to 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:44.480 avoid because those areas, we'll see a higher pedestrian, a lot of especially younger age 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:50.640 pedestrians, kids using the street to go from house to house, and it puts those pedestrians 00:30:50.640 --> 00:31:00.960 at greater risk. So next slide, please. So these are some slides just from our mobility 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:08.360 plan, our 2045 model. And it just, it wants to show you what the impact of conversion 00:31:08.360 --> 00:31:13.500 from the one-way grid that we have today to a two-way grid on those four streets. And 00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:18.200 if you look at this, these are all one-way. And so about where the cursor is, you can 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:23.960 see where Elm and Locust and Carroll and then Oak and Hickory. We've got about, and I'll 00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:29.440 start with Oak and Hickory, about 18,000. And Todd, if you can just, I'm going to do 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:32.640 Oak and Hickory and then we'll toggle to the next one and we'll toggle back and then we're 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:37.160 just going to jump back and forth so we can look at two corridors at a time. Yeah. So 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:47.000 there, okay. 17,900 jumps up a little bit to 20,000. And then, but in the middle, if 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:52.480 you'll look, so stop here for a second, this is two-way. You've got 3000 on Oak and 1300 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:58.800 on Hickory. Jump to the previous slide. And this is the one-way configuration. Those volumes 00:31:58.800 --> 00:32:05.520 are significantly higher. And what that shows us is as we increase or as we convert the 00:32:05.520 --> 00:32:13.040 one-way streets of Oak and Hickory to two-way, that introduced congestion, that delay associated 00:32:13.040 --> 00:32:18.540 with the left turns is enough to drive a significant portion of those vehicles, those motorists, 00:32:18.540 --> 00:32:29.840 two parallel facilities. In that area, that's very residential. So a lot of those houses 00:32:29.840 --> 00:32:34.600 that are roadways parallel to Oak and Hickory are going to see an increase in traffic volume 00:32:34.600 --> 00:32:40.880 because Oak and Hickory are no longer as convenient and comfortable and attractive to travel. 00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:46.600 So let's look at all one-way. I'll stay on this slide. Elm and Locust. So you'll see 00:32:46.600 --> 00:32:52.880 about 15 on the north side, north of University, 15 to 17,000 vehicles a day. And it's pretty 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:59.480 consistent through the corridor, 18,000 and down 17,000 in downtown. Carroll is about 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:08.960 40, jumps to 46, and then 47 to 48 south of downtown. So let's go to the two-way slide. 00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:15.640 So here you see the migration. Elm and Locust are significantly down, up to 35%, 40% lower. 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:24.800 And they've all moved to Carroll. So as you see, the Carroll went from 44 and then 42, 00:33:24.800 --> 00:33:30.240 which is again, we're seeing some migration off of Elm and Locust. May not make it to 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:33.420 Carroll, but may make it to some parallel facilities where we really don't want that 00:33:33.420 --> 00:33:39.640 traffic. So that's really the point of this is I wanted you to see numerically the magnitude 00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:45.600 of that potential diversion, that migration from the primary corridors where we really 00:33:45.600 --> 00:33:49.400 want those vehicles, we can accommodate them, we can handle them, we can make the progression 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:55.440 work, and we can address safety issues, versus when we get them into parallel facilities 00:33:55.440 --> 00:34:01.880 that may only have stop control, we may not be able to accommodate and manage that traffic 00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:08.880 to the same level. So let's move on. Next slide, please. 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:13.280 So this is the last slide before I want to open it up for discussions. And this is just 00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:22.640 a little bit about parking, because parking, again, plays that role of it serves the function 00:34:22.640 --> 00:34:28.080 of a lot of the older parts of town that didn't provide a lot of off street parking, relied 00:34:28.080 --> 00:34:32.840 on on street parking, but parking also limits what we can do with that existing pavement. 00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:37.760 Again, we're not widening. So we're looking at the existing curb to curb distance and 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.960 how we manage that and what's the highest and best use for that pavement. Parking is 00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:47.000 certainly one of those choices. So again, we talked about parking may conflict the bike 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:52.640 facilities. And if we have parking on both sides of a two way street, probably not going 00:34:52.640 --> 00:34:59.240 to have room for a dedicated or separated bike facility. We're going to have the bikes, 00:34:59.240 --> 00:35:05.160 it's going to be a shared lane, which is not really the level of safety that we're trying 00:35:05.160 --> 00:35:09.560 to provide citywide. Just a little bit about different kinds of 00:35:09.560 --> 00:35:14.520 parking. Parallel parking offers the greatest flexibility. It allows one way or two way 00:35:14.520 --> 00:35:20.160 doesn't really matter how you enter that. However, it doesn't provide the same quantity 00:35:20.160 --> 00:35:26.480 of parking spaces. So if we convert angle parking to parallel, we're going to lose significantly. 00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:30.920 But we're going to get rain some we're going to one gain some pavement. And we're going 00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:36.000 to gain some flexibility as far as how we use that pavement. Again, the angle parking 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:41.040 requires almost twice as much as one way and typically will limit it to one side. So typically 00:35:41.040 --> 00:35:47.480 angle parking is linked to a direction of travel, like exception would be the reverse 00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:57.240 angle back in parking that we have on McKinney, excuse me, McKinney Hickory, east of Locust. 00:35:57.240 --> 00:36:07.000 We can we can convert formerly angle parking into reverse angle parking. However, the popularity 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:12.600 that is yet to be determined. And then the last point is if a roadways converted 00:36:12.600 --> 00:36:17.160 two way operation, angle parking may need to be adjusted without current modifications. 00:36:17.160 --> 00:36:22.360 And if we do that, so if we if we flip the direction and you look around the square where 00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:30.240 we've got angle parking and it's it's set for like eastbound directions, if we converted 00:36:30.240 --> 00:36:34.920 that to a two way roadway, we'd want to flip the angle if we wanted to maintain heading 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:39.960 parking on the north side of Hickory. And what that does is without if we're not going 00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:45.320 to modify the way those curb islands are built, we're going to lose five to 10% of our parking 00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:51.520 supply just in the restriping. So that's the last slide. I've got some some discussion 00:36:51.520 --> 00:36:55.160 on recommendations, but what I'd really like to do and the reason we're here today is to 00:36:55.160 --> 00:37:03.760 get your input before we really set our recommendations, we want to we want the feedback from this 00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:12.240 group as to how you think the conversion from one way to two way would impact the downtown 00:37:12.240 --> 00:37:18.360 area. And if there are pros and cons, if there are concepts or ideas, that's what we'd like 00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:22.120 to hear from you today. So I'm going to open it up. I'll stop talking and I'll open it 00:37:22.120 --> 00:37:26.060 back up to the group. And we'll just take your feedback from here. So thank you very 00:37:26.060 --> 00:37:34.080 much. Thank you, Brian. If anybody would like to ask questions or give provide some feedback, 00:37:34.080 --> 00:37:38.880 raise your hand and I will try to call on you. We might want to have that screen back 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:47.160 up and go go back to a couple of those slides if that's that that's possible. We can we 00:37:47.160 --> 00:37:51.480 can do that. Everyone will be small on the screen. So it might be harder for you to see 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:56.880 him Marty. But if I see him on my bigger screen, I'll let you know. I think John had his hand 00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:03.680 up. Yes, sir. Good morning, everybody. Full disclosure, we had a presentation of Main 00:38:03.680 --> 00:38:11.280 Street Association, I guess around a month or so ago. A lot of the feedback that we had 00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:19.560 was, everybody was kind of interested in it. But some of the comments were that it it, 00:38:19.560 --> 00:38:22.760 it seemed like something to take on right now that we're just trying to get through 00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:28.760 it and, and maybe put it off to next next year. But there was one interesting comment 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:36.600 that it does seem arbitrary, even to local residents, let alone visitors to downtown 00:38:36.600 --> 00:38:41.720 about the one way and two way streets. It's it's two way on East Oak and East Hickory, 00:38:41.720 --> 00:38:49.160 but it goes to one way on West Oak and West Hickory. But I think I love the idea that 00:38:49.160 --> 00:38:56.840 changing Elm and Locust to an East, a West Oak and West Hickory to two way. Is it possible, 00:38:56.840 --> 00:39:05.020 Brian, that if we were to make the all the all the streets that are coming to the square 00:39:05.020 --> 00:39:10.800 two way and then when you get to the square, it's it's like a large roundabout where you 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:16.680 can only turn right to get on the square. We keep the square itself one way around. 00:39:16.680 --> 00:39:20.480 So all streets leading to the square, you would turn right. And if you wanted to get 00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:24.680 to the other side of the square, you would just like a large roundabout. We keep the 00:39:24.680 --> 00:39:30.800 parking the same. We keep the two, the two lane one way for deliveries. And so we never 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:37.720 we don't have that option obstacle rather. But I just wanted to get your thoughts on 00:39:37.720 --> 00:39:43.000 making the square itself a large roundabout and converting all the streets leading to 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:50.400 it two way. OK, so my response is certainly 100 percent. My parents grew up and still 00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:55.460 live in a small town in south Texas that has a square just like that. All the streets leading 00:39:55.460 --> 00:40:01.440 up to the square two way and then leaving the square two way. But the square is a it's 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:07.400 a counterclockwise roundabout exactly as you described. So that's that is a historical 00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:13.160 example of how we can treat the one way interface with the two way. And I will say that I like 00:40:13.160 --> 00:40:21.600 that concept better than the current way that Hickory intersects Locust. When you have in 00:40:21.600 --> 00:40:26.980 that outside on the north side lane, you know, you're facing west as you're coming from from 00:40:26.980 --> 00:40:32.840 East Hickory and then you've got a car facing you in the same lane that is eastbound coming 00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:40.360 from West Hickory. That's just it's hard for the traffic engineering to deal with because 00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:44.680 it's you've got two cars that want to use the same lane and it's not it's not necessarily 00:40:44.680 --> 00:40:50.120 a safe. So what you're describing is something that is at least in Texas has been a historical 00:40:50.120 --> 00:40:56.280 practice and certainly is an option we can we can look into. Yeah, we just the south 00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:00.920 south Elm and south Locust Street are very wide streets. And I think having those two 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:06.720 lane to excuse me two way there's enough room for either putting parallel parking all the 00:41:06.720 --> 00:41:11.640 way down or certainly enough room for two bike lanes coming from the from the south 00:41:11.640 --> 00:41:18.640 to the square. And the the added benefit of having south Elm two way is that when you're 00:41:18.640 --> 00:41:24.720 coming down Fort Worth Drive and you're wanting to get to the square, you turn right on I 00:41:24.720 --> 00:41:31.240 guess that I don't know what that street is right there where the you turn right off of 00:41:31.240 --> 00:41:39.040 Carroll to is that eat? Well, no, before Eagle, what's that where the day laborer pickup is 00:41:39.040 --> 00:41:43.320 for work drive? Yeah, I guess you just turn right on Fort Worth Drive and then you can 00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:47.880 go straight across Eagle on an Elm to get to the square instead of having to turn right 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:52.480 on Eagle and then left on Locust just get up north on the square. I think there's a 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:58.120 lot of benefit to that. But I personally I like the idea of just keeping the square one 00:41:58.120 --> 00:42:22.880 way as it is. Bob. You're on mute. Bob. Bob, you're on mute. Unmute. Okay, can you hear 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:31.760 me now? Yep. Okay, I agree with john for another reason. We're already so congested around the 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:38.880 square. And, of course, we get the comments about no parking, etc, etc, all the time people, 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:44.800 the merchants and whoever has a business on the square. I think going to parallel parking 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:51.360 around the square and the dual lanes for the bikes just exacerbates that problem. I think 00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:57.180 you need to stay with the diagonal parking, which gives us more parking. It's faster. 00:42:57.180 --> 00:43:01.720 You don't have the congestion backup that you would. So I agree with the concept that 00:43:01.720 --> 00:43:13.320 john just explained. Thank you. Monty. We'll start with a geometry lesson real quick. You 00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:17.700 can't call something that's one way on the square a roundabout. It would be a square 00:43:17.700 --> 00:43:23.240 roundabout. Just a little technicality there. I'm not a meteorologist or anything, but I'm 00:43:23.240 --> 00:43:31.800 pretty sure you can't make a square round. I think the problem that we have with the 00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:35.960 one way streets, and I think we addressed it as really as much as anything a safety 00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:42.200 issue. I've been to a couple of the police downtowners meetings over the years, and I 00:43:42.200 --> 00:43:50.200 think they've from I guess it's eagle to the square. They've clocked people 5560 65 miles 00:43:50.200 --> 00:43:57.000 an hour on that road and people see, you know, those two lanes as basically a short term 00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:04.360 Autobahn three lanes, three lanes, right? I think I've had Congress, Alex, Alex came 00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:09.440 to what pain came to one of our meetings and I think, you know, he actually would be an 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:14.920 advocate on some of those roads is of potentially more congestion. And what I mean by that is 00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:20.760 actually choke those roads down to fewer lanes if they're going to stay one lane and put 00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:26.280 parking on either side of them. You know, his point is a lot of those places in there 00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:31.080 inhibit business in that they're sort of a parking desert on a couple of those that's 00:44:31.080 --> 00:44:38.300 not except for private parking. But I really think the state the heart the more people 00:44:38.300 --> 00:44:43.880 go past a business on a one way street, the more people go past a business and they miss 00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:48.160 a parking spot or they miss the address and they realize they have to go all the way around 00:44:48.160 --> 00:44:53.420 the island to get back to where they came from. I think you start to get a frustration 00:44:53.420 --> 00:44:59.200 factor. I think that frustration factor leads to a speed factor and that speed factor leads 00:44:59.200 --> 00:45:04.880 to a safety factor. When I look at the stats on the one way streets, there's three times 00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:10.280 as many injuries on those one way streets. There's a hundred and a little more than 150% 00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:14.640 of the accidents. And there's two deaths and we can say, well, it's only two deaths. But 00:45:14.640 --> 00:45:17.660 I'm pretty sure if you went back and asked those two people, they would say for them 00:45:17.660 --> 00:45:26.720 it was fairly consequential. I just think I just think that the harder to get we as 00:45:26.720 --> 00:45:30.480 a business owner, the harder you make it to get, you know, I always say the moon may be 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.600 a nice place to visit, but it's hard to get to. So nobody goes there. And the harder you 00:45:34.600 --> 00:45:39.920 make a business to get to the more moon like it becomes. And I see all of the advantages 00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:45.240 of the one way, but I think the harder to get to factor and the speedway factor for 00:45:45.240 --> 00:45:50.800 me outweigh any sort of advantage that you get from the faster throughput, because I 00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:57.920 think that faster throughput actually gets mitigated in a lot of ways, um, just by people 00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.800 will be going fast. They'll miss where they're going, particularly those visitors. Now they 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:06.280 or they accidentally went right past the parking space and they've got somebody behind them. 00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:09.280 And now they've got to go all the way around the block and they know darn well that space 00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:12.200 won't be there when they get back. 00:46:12.200 --> 00:46:24.600 Well, am I still alone or do I need to unmute? You're on. Okay. Well, Monty, I would agree 00:46:24.600 --> 00:46:30.520 with what you're saying with exception of the square. Um, I would go with, with the 00:46:30.520 --> 00:46:35.920 two lane, the two way traffic on, off the square. But I think on the square, we don't 00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:40.760 have the problem that people going too fast on the square there. The problem would be 00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:44.720 how to get into that parking place that you find and how much traffic are you holding 00:46:44.720 --> 00:46:50.200 up as you find it. And so I think you want to stay with the, I'll, I'll still go with 00:46:50.200 --> 00:46:56.120 a roundabout. I lived in England a long time. So that's easy for me to say, um, as opposed 00:46:56.120 --> 00:47:02.920 to, uh, trying to go too way around the square. I a hundred percent concur. I'm going to weigh 00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:09.920 in, uh, while we're waiting for other people to raise their hand. Um, I live and work down 00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:18.480 here, so I'm on all these streets, mostly on foot and I cross Elm street, uh, south 00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:25.000 of the square on Mulberry, a minimal of four times a day. And it scares the bejesus out 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:29.040 of me because I can't see when I'm walking across because of all the parking in front 00:47:29.040 --> 00:47:33.800 of the church and out in front of Hannah's on the street. You have to peer around the 00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:40.760 corner and people may be going 30 miles an hour, but it seems like they're going a lot 00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:46.520 faster. Um, I think as Alex pointed out, that's a three lane road. We, we don't have three 00:47:46.520 --> 00:47:56.880 lanes on our 35 in some areas. And so it's, it is really easy. And then, um, we took out 00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:01.180 traffic lights on the north side of the square heading back into the square. And so that 00:48:01.180 --> 00:48:05.880 sped up everybody on the north side so that they can come screeching down to the square. 00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:11.800 So I would, to me, it's a safety factor. I think some of the discussions we've had in 00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:21.160 the past have been, um, how do we slow traffic down around the square? I would agree with 00:48:21.160 --> 00:48:29.180 everybody on the square proper. It's slow, but getting there, it's fast. And anything 00:48:29.180 --> 00:48:35.900 we can do, I would say you divert people, you know, Elm and Locust used to be the way 00:48:35.900 --> 00:48:40.720 you got across town. I mean, those are old highways and they really, if you're trying 00:48:40.720 --> 00:48:49.080 to get from point A to point B and you're not going to downtown to shop or eat or live, 00:48:49.080 --> 00:48:55.000 we probably need to be on Carroll. I mean, that's, we want the through traffic, uh, north, 00:48:55.000 --> 00:49:01.780 south, east and west, I would say to go around the square too. And so if, if, if we can slow 00:49:01.780 --> 00:49:07.560 those one way streets down or make them two way to, I would say, create more congestion 00:49:07.560 --> 00:49:13.020 to make it easier, more pedestrian friendly and more bicycle friendly. Um, I don't know 00:49:13.020 --> 00:49:19.240 that I'm, uh, dead set on two, two way streets. I think that's my preference. It makes it 00:49:19.240 --> 00:49:26.280 easier for you to get to businesses. Maybe not the ones right on the square, but if you 00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:32.560 go a couple of blocks or several blocks, north, south, east and west, um, I don't can't, I've 00:49:32.560 --> 00:49:36.880 lived here almost 30 years and I still can't remember which street to turn on. If I'm going 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:43.240 downhill to get to something on locus, I have to stop and think about it all the time and 00:49:43.240 --> 00:49:48.560 on the bicycle lane part of it. Um, if you really want to know what it's like on the 00:49:48.560 --> 00:49:54.680 streets and with traffic, I'd say get out on a bicycle and ride around. Um, even if 00:49:54.680 --> 00:50:00.480 we have, if we can't expand the streets to have two lanes each way, I would rather ride 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:07.200 my bike on a two way situation with slower traffic than down locust around or Hickory 00:50:07.200 --> 00:50:12.440 on a one way where we have parallel parking and cars going 30 miles an hour. And it's 00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:19.720 nice that we've been able to add bike lanes on Hickory and, and Oak on the, um, west side 00:50:19.720 --> 00:50:26.760 of the square, but it, it's pretty scary. Just driving from downtown to Bonnie bray 00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:32.520 on Oak at 30 miles an hour. If you're in that left lane and there's students parked up and 00:50:32.520 --> 00:50:37.440 down there, I mean, I think I'm going to get somebody's side view mirror all the time. 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:43.800 It's just a kind of scary, not even going to speed limit. So I think the, if I could 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:50.280 some summarize our past conversations in this group and main street, I think safety for 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:55.780 pedestrians and slowing things down around the square is probably the overriding factor 00:50:55.780 --> 00:51:01.480 whether we get that for two way or one way. I think, I think our goal would, we'd love 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:09.600 to make it. I mean, going down Hickory even that's two lanes. I forget, is it 30 miles 00:51:09.600 --> 00:51:16.640 an hour? I mean, I feel fast. If I'm going 15, um, if you're going down on a Thursday 00:51:16.640 --> 00:51:23.900 evening and it's a two way street back in parking or whatever, it's, it probably ought 00:51:23.900 --> 00:51:28.560 to be a 15 mile an hour speed limit right there. It's, there's a lot of people walking 00:51:28.560 --> 00:51:36.360 around and a lot of trees and back in parking and all that stuff. So I would love to keep 00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:41.360 this conversation going. I think Bob said it, this may not be the best time to start 00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:46.360 redoing streets, but if we start planning that now, by the time everything's back to 00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:54.640 normal here in a couple of weeks, we should be able to get to work on them because I mean, 00:51:54.640 --> 00:51:58.360 we don't really have enough streets under construction now, so now would be a good, 00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:05.480 good time to start putting some more orange cones out. The work that's been going on on 00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:11.960 Elm and Locust south of the square the past couple of weeks has made things safer and 00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:19.800 it's made a one way street and it makes it easier to cross the street on all, all sides 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:26.760 and I know Alex would echo that if he were here. Melissa? 00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:37.720 Yeah, I want to also give a thumbs up to the idea of let's look at traffic in the way pedestrians 00:52:37.720 --> 00:52:43.040 move downtown, whether it's, I don't know, two way or one way, but like the crosswalk 00:52:43.040 --> 00:52:49.080 that we now have on McKinney is, is pedestrian friendly and maybe there's a way to do that 00:52:49.080 --> 00:52:55.200 better on a one way or two way, I don't know, but to keep that in the forefront of the decision 00:52:55.200 --> 00:53:06.440 making process is to look at how pedestrians get around downtown. 00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:12.560 Anybody else have any comments or questions? I would imagine that if we had something that 00:53:12.560 --> 00:53:19.040 we think about later today or comments, we could send those into Christina or Jessica. 00:53:19.040 --> 00:53:24.640 For input, Melissa? Yeah, the other, the other question is, because 00:53:24.640 --> 00:53:28.920 we've been talking about that new outdoor seating concept and I don't know how traffic 00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:35.200 will play into that or if there needs to be long term decisions based on what we're considering 00:53:35.200 --> 00:53:42.840 doing on the new outdoor seating stuff. Yes, if you have comments or you think of 00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:47.400 something and it may not come to you until you're walking down there or driving around 00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:52.000 the square and you have an experience, please send us comments. I will share them with Todd 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:58.160 and Brian or if you speak, I know a lot of you work and live down there and so if you 00:53:58.160 --> 00:54:02.000 think of something or you hear something from a neighbor, please share that. We want more 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:13.640 input than less input so that we can keep working on a solution. 00:54:13.640 --> 00:54:17.800 Thank you, Brian. Appreciate the input and the opportunity for us to give some feedback 00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:23.320 on the streets. My pleasure. 00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:34.720 We want to get our results from our discussion on the grant so that Mr. Polito doesn't have 00:54:34.720 --> 00:54:40.600 to stick around here if he doesn't want to and even though it's a lot of fun. 00:54:40.600 --> 00:54:54.000 The total average score was 25. If you look at your score sheet, 25 allows a grant up 00:54:54.000 --> 00:55:04.040 to $25,000. The request was for $7,314 which is more within that range. 00:55:04.040 --> 00:55:27.480 The scores average 25 which allows for a grant up to the amount of $25,000. The grant requested 00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:35.640 was $7,313. Anybody want to make a motion? 00:55:35.640 --> 00:55:40.960 Marty, this is Monte. I would move that we grant them the full amount of $7,313. 00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:47.680 I'll second that. All right. We have a motion for Monte and a 00:55:47.680 --> 00:55:57.800 second from John. Any further discussion? I'm going to go around the board again and 00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:24.880 ask for ayes or nays. Melissa? Aye. Bob? Aye. John? Aye. Monke? Aye. Hank? Aye. Beth? Beth, 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:35.680 you're on mute. I think there was an aye. Michael? Aye. All right. I think I got -- Brock, 00:56:35.680 --> 00:56:44.640 I missed you. Do you hear me? Yeah. Say that again. 00:56:44.640 --> 00:56:57.320 I had to abstain. He had to abstain. Okay. All right. We have -- everyone has 00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:03.440 voted for it with one abstention. So the motion carries. Thank you for your time. And, Eric, 00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:09.960 we're excited about the project. Look forward to things getting back to normal and going 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:14.360 over there and having a good time. So thank you for your investment. We appreciate you 00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:19.320 being here. You're welcome to stick around and watch and play music. 00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:25.320 I'm going to head out. But thank you all very much. It helps a lot. And, yeah, we'll keep 00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:29.280 you all posted on opening. Thank you. 00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:38.680 All right. We need to give some input. EDP 20-022, receive report, hold discussion and 00:57:38.680 --> 00:57:46.800 give staff direction regarding a pilot program in downtown for Parklets and Streeteries. 00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:51.560 So I will apologize to the committee. I am not Richard Canone, the director of planning 00:57:51.560 --> 00:57:57.880 who did the majority of work on this project. So I'm going to do my best impression of planning 00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:02.360 at this point. So if you have questions or anything that is beyond my expertise, just 00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:07.960 let me know and I will get an answer for you. It just may be next week. So I'm going to 00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:19.520 go through this is the presentation that city council saw on Tuesday. So essentially we 00:58:19.520 --> 00:58:26.940 were getting feedback from a number of businesses requesting the consideration of possible extensions 00:58:26.940 --> 00:58:33.760 of outdoor seating through what was called Parklets. So Parklets are the use of public 00:58:33.760 --> 00:58:42.120 parking spaces for outdoor seating, microparks, all different sorts of uses. And it actually 00:58:42.120 --> 00:58:47.120 came out of an initiative in San Francisco, but they have been implemented across the 00:58:47.120 --> 00:58:54.080 country in varying degrees and different concepts and things like that. There's also a parking 00:58:54.080 --> 00:58:59.800 day on the third Friday of September each year where cities temporarily transform parking 00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:05.560 spaces into parks. And so that's something that was pretty inspirational as we went through 00:59:05.560 --> 00:59:12.760 this. So in our proposal, we recommended consideration of two different concepts. The first is a parklet 00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:19.080 and that's the use of a public parking space for an actual park function. It's available 00:59:19.080 --> 00:59:24.760 for the use of anyone. So it's not limited to a specific business that might make sense 00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:29.880 in certain areas of downtown. So we wanted to leave that concept as a possibility. The 00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:35.640 second concept is a streetery. It's like a parklet, same general design and concept. 00:59:35.640 --> 00:59:41.240 However, that the streetery is reserved for specific use of a particular business, the 00:59:41.240 --> 00:59:49.600 business that holds the license and they can limit occupants in the streetery during their 00:59:49.600 --> 00:59:56.840 business hours to their customers. With the streetery, businesses would also be able to, 00:59:56.840 --> 01:00:03.540 if they had the proper food and alcohol permits, be able to serve customers in those areas 01:00:03.540 --> 01:00:09.240 as well. Whereas a parklet, because it would be deemed park space, there would be no alcohol 01:00:09.240 --> 01:00:17.680 allowed. So it would follow the same rules as a city park. So we provided to city council 01:00:17.680 --> 01:00:24.840 a parklet manual and in that manual, it included addressing drainage and accessibility, landscaping, 01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:31.160 furniture, signage on parklets, design and safety, obviously safety being at the forefront 01:00:31.160 --> 01:00:35.800 of these. Anytime that we're introducing seating into an area that's normally reserved for 01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:41.520 vehicles, we want to make sure that we protect the individuals that are in those spaces. 01:00:41.520 --> 01:00:48.320 And then a consideration of the materials that can be used. So based on council direction 01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:54.400 that we received on June 23rd, we also provided information to Denton Main Street and made 01:00:54.400 --> 01:01:03.320 a presentation to them and took that information to city council. Then on June 30th, we city 01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:07.840 council approved a pilot program. The pilot program will last for six months. It goes 01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:13.960 into effect on July 14th and it goes through January 14th. And so one of the things that 01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:20.000 we want to continue to do is get feedback during this pilot program. Certainly this 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:24.880 is something that's new. And so one of the things that Richard and I have talked about 01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:29.480 throughout this process is we're not going to just step away for six months and come 01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:33.920 back and see how it goes. We want to continually get feedback. And if we need to tweak something 01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:39.160 or make an adjustment, we want to make sure that we have the flexibility to do that, which 01:01:39.160 --> 01:01:45.320 is why we wanted to bring it to this committee, even though it's already adopted. So going 01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:52.160 through what city council approved on Tuesday, the pilot program will not include Elm, Hickory, 01:01:52.160 --> 01:01:58.200 Locust or Oak streets. So that's for the entirety of the streets within the purple and pink 01:01:58.200 --> 01:02:04.040 areas you see there. That's the downtown zoning designation. The areas you see in kind of 01:02:04.040 --> 01:02:12.560 the pink color just have the overlay. There's a max of two parklets per block face. We know 01:02:12.560 --> 01:02:17.440 that there are some different sizes of block faces, but certainly that's something we'll 01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:24.080 look at as we go through this. Amplified music would not be permitted. As I mentioned, smoking 01:02:24.080 --> 01:02:28.280 wouldn't be permitted in either, but alcohol would be permitted in a street streetery, 01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:35.260 as long as the permits to allow that. There are some very small fees associated with this. 01:02:35.260 --> 01:02:39.440 There's a permit fee of $50. And then if you apply for a streetery, there's an additional 01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:45.080 license of $50. And then furniture that would be allowed. Obviously, businesses could have 01:02:45.080 --> 01:02:51.220 tables, chairs, benches, as well as shade structures. The only thing that we would ask on the shade 01:02:51.220 --> 01:02:57.220 structures is that they be taken down, especially in a streetery, that they be taken down or 01:02:57.220 --> 01:03:06.620 that furniture that could be removed at night. So that there's not a risk continuing in that. 01:03:06.620 --> 01:03:10.280 And then as I mentioned, the pilot program is going to run for six months, July 14th 01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:16.060 to January 14th. And at this point, we have the approved manual and license agreement. 01:03:16.060 --> 01:03:20.120 And so starting next week, Richard and I will be working through how we process these and 01:03:20.120 --> 01:03:25.240 we'll be reaching out to some of the businesses that requested this to let them know that 01:03:25.240 --> 01:03:32.080 we're here to work with them through this and through their application so that we can 01:03:32.080 --> 01:03:41.240 see if we can get some parklets or streeteries in downtown Denton. And that's all I have. 01:03:41.240 --> 01:03:52.460 Anybody have any questions or comments? Bob? I was just wondering if you're able to say 01:03:52.460 --> 01:03:57.720 who has requested that so far. I think it's a good idea. I'm interested who's involved 01:03:57.720 --> 01:04:03.040 with it. We have had a number of requests from different 01:04:03.040 --> 01:04:10.800 bars and restaurants in downtown. And so they no one has applied directly, but I believe 01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:15.600 the owner of the loophole spoke at a council meeting requesting one. And then we've been 01:04:15.600 --> 01:04:19.800 in discussions with a couple other businesses that have been interested. 01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:27.920 But as an example, loophole wouldn't be eligible, was that? 01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:32.120 They wouldn't be eligible for one on the front of their business. They could consider if 01:04:32.120 --> 01:04:42.000 they found a way to make it work on the back side, yes, on the new streets. The same with 01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:49.440 John's restaurant. And Monte's, I believe as well. 01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:54.800 What about something more semi-permanent on the square to allow for the ones that are 01:04:54.800 --> 01:05:00.160 excluded from this to have an outdoor, like more of a static outdoor seating space. So 01:05:00.160 --> 01:05:07.180 as opposed to letting people sort of congregate on the square sort of willy-nilly just to 01:05:07.180 --> 01:05:18.360 have like tables and chairs set up in that the county sets up or the city sets up. 01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:22.600 That's something that we can look at. It would be separate from this program that did come 01:05:22.600 --> 01:05:30.280 up in our conversations of would it be possible to do a separate public seating area? Obviously 01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:38.220 there are limitations in terms of permitting and locations and is it taking away from parking. 01:05:38.220 --> 01:05:43.000 But if it's just something on the courthouse lawn, we can ask the county what their interests 01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:47.240 would be and have that discussion. 01:05:47.240 --> 01:05:53.960 What is the difference between a streetery, I mean is that on the street? Has to be on 01:05:53.960 --> 01:06:02.080 the street. Where I'm kind of going with this is what is to prevent somebody from just putting 01:06:02.080 --> 01:06:06.840 some chairs out on the sidewalk. We have a couple of restaurants downtown that do that, 01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:10.440 some that don't. 01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:13.760 Yes, this is the specific use of a parking space. 01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:14.760 Okay. 01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:19.680 It would be separate from the sidewalk cafes. 01:06:19.680 --> 01:06:28.240 Has the council considered or has anybody considered maybe having a instead of it was 01:06:28.240 --> 01:06:32.480 raised a little fairness issue. Some people kind of first come first serve got it and 01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:36.920 then they had to wait because there's only a max per two per block. If we were to have 01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:43.960 something on the square that was a shared streetery that would be available only for 01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:51.320 not so much table service, but it could be shared for restaurants for delivery. Like 01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:58.280 they would deliver a food to go takeout, but a shared streetery for eating takeout that 01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:06.880 could be delivered to the table that we could all share instead of first come first serve. 01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:12.200 I think that we could think through the logistics of that. One of the challenges that we were 01:07:12.200 --> 01:07:20.320 dealing with was the service of alcohol. Obviously the rules are a little bit different right 01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:27.640 now than they are typically, but what would be allowed if it was sort of a shared public 01:07:27.640 --> 01:07:33.720 space and it was considered a park, then there would be no alcohol allowed. So that's the 01:07:33.720 --> 01:07:36.920 challenge of a central space. 01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:41.920 Isn't it just no alcohol on a park, excuse me, on a parklet, not a streetery? 01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:46.480 There's no alcohol. So the city's park rules would apply to a parklet, which would mean 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:47.480 no alcohol. 01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:52.000 Well, could we designate it as a streetery? 01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:58.120 So under the definition that we've been adopted, the streetery is for a specific business. 01:07:58.120 --> 01:08:02.560 And then even if it was a, so if it was a shared space, it would fall under the park 01:08:02.560 --> 01:08:08.040 rules. The way that the code is the way that you're currently have defined it. Okay. 01:08:08.040 --> 01:08:12.600 I think the one advantage to what John's talking about, I understand it's a different definition, 01:08:12.600 --> 01:08:16.720 is let's say you wanted to, let's say I wanted to eat at Mellow Mushroom and Bob wanted to 01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:21.040 eat, you know, get ice cream at Beth Marie's and we were going to sit together, we're friends, 01:08:21.040 --> 01:08:24.320 we're going to meet down there, we're going to sit together and eat, but maybe I want 01:08:24.320 --> 01:08:29.400 to have a cocktail and all of a sudden I'd be precluded from doing that. And then he wouldn't 01:08:29.400 --> 01:08:33.280 be able to eat with me. I just, I think there are some advantages of that shared space that 01:08:33.280 --> 01:08:35.280 John's talking about. 01:08:35.280 --> 01:08:43.680 I guess they would have to redefine the streetery. So it's a shared, shared space for, I don't 01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:49.000 know if you can offer the full service piece because it might be difficult, might be not 01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:55.480 even close to your restaurant, but let's say I had one in front of Cartwrights and Leupold 01:08:55.480 --> 01:09:00.920 could also use that space. And I guess we could deliver food for them. It would be kind 01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:07.040 of difficult for full service, but they can certainly deliver takeout for that. And I 01:09:07.040 --> 01:09:13.280 think that would, I mean, takeout delivery around the square that you're eating outside 01:09:13.280 --> 01:09:17.720 on a great day and somebody wants Leupold, somebody wants Dick's Coneon or somebody wants 01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:22.200 JJ's Pizza or Mellow Mushroom or what. So shared space might have some advantages. 01:09:22.200 --> 01:09:27.000 Yeah. I just think if I pay for the permit, I absolutely wouldn't want people bringing 01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:31.400 in outside food and drink. And I would, if I paid for the permit, I've paid for the furniture 01:09:31.400 --> 01:09:36.800 and I've built the streetery, I would say you can't bring in outside food or drink period. 01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:43.680 But if it was a common space, it would allow greater flexibility of people that are meeting 01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:50.900 there safely outside to be able to share a meal together with different food requirements. 01:09:50.900 --> 01:09:55.720 Maybe someone's vegan or they want Thai and I want barbecue. 01:09:55.720 --> 01:10:01.120 John's wanting a couple of parking spaces, maybe on each side of the square that was 01:10:01.120 --> 01:10:05.840 to go order pickup only that everybody could use. So you could, if you were on the south 01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:10.640 side of the square or whatever restaurants there, there were designated spaces for people 01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:16.360 to pull into. So that really isn't any of the things that we've talked about. That's 01:10:16.360 --> 01:10:23.320 just a preserving parking spaces. Marty. Yes, Hank. Quick clarification though. 01:10:23.320 --> 01:10:27.840 We're not talking about the main arteries of the square. We're talking side streets 01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:32.680 with the streeter is right now. Correct? What was approved was that John was just asking, 01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:38.240 is there, is there a way to do something a little different for the restaurants on the 01:10:38.240 --> 01:10:43.560 square or something like that? Yeah. And I'm on the square, but you know, I could do something 01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:49.120 on Cedar street. It's got a little bit of a slope to it. So, um, and it just, it doesn't 01:10:49.120 --> 01:10:52.200 seem logical. I don't, you know, I don't know it, you know, I could be wrong, but there 01:10:52.200 --> 01:11:00.200 could be wild success on Walnut street. I don't see how, but, um, but I was just, Hank, 01:11:00.200 --> 01:11:05.640 I was just suggesting maybe we, if we, if we redefine streetery, we can make that work. 01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:09.440 You know, it's, we have, we don't have any open container. You can drink beer outside. 01:11:09.440 --> 01:11:15.000 And I have a Cartwrights and I think Suzanne has one chestnut tree, a BG license that they 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:20.880 can walk out with a bottle of beer if they want to. And, uh, and that kind of thing. 01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:24.720 Yeah. It just, the thing you guys consistently bring up is that the conflict with the trash 01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:28.480 pickup and the dumpsters and all that. I'm just trying to visualize how all that would 01:11:28.480 --> 01:11:33.520 work on streets like Walnut. But you all know better than me. I just go down there as a 01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:38.880 consumer. I don't live down there. So I will agree that, you know, through this process 01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:43.200 and we've really made, made sure that we want to learn from this process and listen to what's 01:11:43.200 --> 01:11:48.720 working and what's not working. And, and we have had to take into account, and I, I don't 01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:52.000 want to speak for the city council, but I know that a lot of comments that we received 01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:58.140 back, the reasons that the square and, or Elm and Hickory and Locust and Elm were removed 01:11:58.140 --> 01:12:02.980 were concerns for parking and then concerns about the travel speeds, which again is something 01:12:02.980 --> 01:12:08.840 related to what you were talking about in your last item. And so, um, definitely we're 01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:16.080 trying to balance as many interests as we can. Um, but nothing stops us from continuing 01:12:16.080 --> 01:12:20.920 to get feedback and make adjustments as, as we're hearing from, from the businesses and, 01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:21.920 and the community. 01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:28.400 Hey Jessica, this is Michael Talley. What has been the discussion internally and maybe 01:12:28.400 --> 01:12:35.520 y'all had some, some businesses present at council as well on, on the differences between 01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:40.440 a park with streetery and utilizing some of the sidewalk space or do y'all see that as, 01:12:40.440 --> 01:12:44.120 you know, the restaurants, most restaurants are already utilizing that space and there 01:12:44.120 --> 01:12:49.960 just wouldn't be enough space for, um, basically patrons to, to walk back and forth in front 01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:53.400 of the restaurants. 01:12:53.400 --> 01:12:58.400 So we didn't talk specifically about the, these in relation to the sidewalk cafes or 01:12:58.400 --> 01:13:03.600 any of the outdoor seating that restaurants have. Our primary goal was just providing 01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:12.040 extra, um, space to restaurants. Um, when we were on the limited occupancy levels for 01:13:12.040 --> 01:13:17.760 COVID and so that was our, that was sort of the impetus to this and how it came to us 01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:25.000 and the requests were made from businesses themselves simply to allow them, um, especially, 01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:30.200 I believe it first came up when the very, if you think back a few months ago when reopening 01:13:30.200 --> 01:13:37.480 was very first starting, there was this outdoor only, um, seating allowed in that first phase 01:13:37.480 --> 01:13:40.360 and that's when we started this process. 01:13:40.360 --> 01:13:47.200 Okay. I know we, we have reached out to, um, well, there's many cities that have done different 01:13:47.200 --> 01:13:52.440 things, but I know one of the first ones we reached out to was Southlake. Um, they did, 01:13:52.440 --> 01:13:57.320 they temporarily sort of, you know, allowing their restaurants to utilize more sidewalk 01:13:57.320 --> 01:14:01.600 space just because of that outdoor requirement and that, you know, the indoor dining percentage 01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:16.920 is obviously much lower and there were, there were some issues with that. 01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:22.600 There any other questions? Um, certainly, like I said, this is, we are learning right 01:14:22.600 --> 01:14:28.240 alongside with you and we're going to be on this journey with all of the businesses in 01:14:28.240 --> 01:14:36.080 downtown and all of the patrons who are experiencing this. Um, so let us know what the experience 01:14:36.080 --> 01:14:42.120 is or let us know ideas that you have or ways that we can make this better. Um, our goal 01:14:42.120 --> 01:14:46.680 is to support, support all of our downtown businesses to the best extent that we can 01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:50.600 and give them every opportunity to succeed. 01:14:50.600 --> 01:15:01.760 All right. I guess, uh, we'll move on to the staff report. 01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:09.000 Okay. Um, under openings, you've had this Denton Sports Chiropractic, which is in the 01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:10.000 former. 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:11.000 Hypnotic Donuts. 01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:18.320 Hypnotic Donuts. Thank you. Um, Red's Yard did open, but I haven't seen them open since 01:15:18.320 --> 01:15:24.640 their initial opening and that's in, uh, Ken's Produce location over there on the go. Cookie 01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:31.040 Crave opened, Salon Indico. And then after the posting of the agenda, Three Wishes opened 01:15:31.040 --> 01:15:38.400 in the former Market on Oak location, which closed. Um, Nift closed, Scrap is closed, 01:15:38.400 --> 01:15:45.560 Freaks and Geeks, Source Gaming Lounge, Cryptozoology, Escaping the Square. And then additionally, 01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:50.840 since a posting, we've seen, um, announcements from Mad World Records, Wine Squared, and 01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:52.600 the Juice Lab. 01:15:52.600 --> 01:16:01.920 Um, coming soon, we still have Oak to Hickory. I mean, sorry, Hickory to Oak. Um, Caskey's, 01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:05.480 which has been under construction for several months. I have not been able to confirm their 01:16:05.480 --> 01:16:12.960 location or not the location, but their opening at the new location. And then on the downtown 01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:19.280 Grants, um, the Movement Lab has successfully completed construction and received their 01:16:19.280 --> 01:16:26.360 grant. And if you have an opportunity to drive by McKinney, um, Mr. Dow has really been moving 01:16:26.360 --> 01:16:30.400 along on his project. So I expect him to finish pretty soon. 01:16:30.400 --> 01:16:41.560 Um, next meeting date is August 6th. And that's my report. Nift was, um, a second hand, like 01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:48.240 vintage clothing. They were on Austin Street there in a small space. 01:16:48.240 --> 01:16:52.360 And I'll have one correction on the meeting date. You normally would meet on August 6th. 01:16:52.360 --> 01:16:57.360 Um, we do have limitations. This is our only room and our only ability to host all of the 01:16:57.360 --> 01:17:03.360 remote meetings. And City Council, I believe, has a budget workshop scheduled for that day. 01:17:03.360 --> 01:17:09.680 So we will be bumped. Um, so we'll send out an alternate date for August, um, to the committee 01:17:09.680 --> 01:17:20.600 members as soon as we find an available date. Okay. Anything else? Anybody has for the good 01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:29.040 of the order? Happy Independence Day, everybody. 01:17:29.040 --> 01:17:36.320 Thank you for being here today. I appreciate everybody's input. And, uh, I think it'll 01:17:36.320 --> 01:17:41.360 be okay if I say this out loud, Alex family dog died in the middle of the night. So he's 01:17:41.360 --> 01:17:48.000 dealing with that with his family this morning and rough times and best wishes to him and 01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:53.200 his family. And, um, thank you for being here. We'll see you all soon. 01:17:53.200 --> 01:17:56.120 Okay. Adios. Thanks. Thank you.