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 Good morning. Welcome everyone to our Committee on the Environment. It is 10 o'clock and we

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 do have a quorum present. We are participating regular meeting via video and teleconference

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 and we will begin our first item for individual consideration. A, consider approval of the

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 minutes of February 3rd, 2020. Yes. Councilmember Muthler. I move approval. Second. All right.

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 So all in favor say aye. Aye. All right. And we will go right on down to our next item

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 B, receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding update of the

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 2012 Sustainability Plan. Okay. Can you hear me? New at this? All right. So we'll just

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 jump right in. The Sustainability Plan update. We're bringing it back to you today as requested

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 at the June 6th council meeting. We have our timeline, the plan overview and then some

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 of the questions and comments that were forwarded to the staff and then we'll be seeking your

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 direction today. So just a little bit about the plan update. The plan is designed as a

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 framework to guide sustainability through the next five years, provide guidance and

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 direction. It's a guidance document and not an action plan and I think that's what's most

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 important to distinguish today. We set out to update the existing sustainability plan

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 with internal stakeholder and community feedback and we were updating the goals and strategies

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 and then we were going to move forward for council consideration and adoption and then

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 develop an implementation action plan. So just a quick look at our timeline. Beginning

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 back in 2017, we met with the COE about updating the plan. We held some internal stakeholder

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 meetings in 2017. In 2018, we moved into community feedback, presenting that to the COE and discussing

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 how that feedback was going to be incorporated into the document. We met several times about

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 the update. Then we moved into 2019. We had some changes that impacted the plan for the

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 star communities and the USGBC transition to lead. So that held us up a little bit.

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 We moved into 2019, reviewed the goals, strategies and the additional considerations that we

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 were going to put forward in the full draft back in September. In November, we did bring

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 that forward with the full draft of the plan for review. We had some questions and clarifications

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 that we brought back in January of 2020 and at that time, we were directed to take the

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 plan to the full council and we also have the advisory committee as a separate item

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 to consider adoption of the advisory committee along with the plan. And then we went to council

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 in June and we had some additional questions. So we're back today to address those.

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 Just a little bit, we had some questions about stakeholder engagement. So we had two surveys,

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 two online surveys where we received 551 responses. We had three public meetings with 33 participants.

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 The feedback was summarized and presented to COE in June of 2018. That was where, again,

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 we outlined how the community feedback would be incorporated into the plan.

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 So just brief overview, broad goals and strategies, set the next steps for developing new plans

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 and programs, advancing sustainability in the city of Denton. A couple of the big items

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 that would come out of the update would be setting the greenhouse gas reduction target

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 and then fully developing action plans to meet the target. And the community resilience

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 planning. So the community resilience plan is kind of an all-encompassing plan and it

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 rolls up a lot of the different focus areas and allows us to have that full plan and actions

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 to implement that. And both of those would be created with future community engagement.

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 Just a quick side-by-side comparison, we still had the eight focus areas. We did expand focus

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 area eight in the 2020 plan. We added ten new goals, six new strategies, and six new

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 KPIs in the 2020. So next steps, just have a conversation today and see what we need

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 to do to move forward and what the direction is if we need to do additional community engagement,

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 have additional questions answered. We're here to answer whatever we need to today and

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 get this moving forward.

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 All right. Thank you. Go ahead, Councilmember Meltzer.

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 So before getting into the line item level, my thinking has evolved on the macro process

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 on a couple of points. One is that it was lost on me that the action plan was something

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 different than the simply sustainable plan. So I hear that, but a lot of my discomfort

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 is the sort of lack of specificity. And I think that that's what I'm seeing reflected

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 back from public comment as well. And I think that's not really a helpful distinction. I

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 think putting it out, I guess I would call it something different, like some notes. If

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 it's not actually the plan, I don't think it's that helpful, honestly, to share. I think

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 we should get it more fleshed out so people see direction. So that's one. Second is on

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 how to get to that result. My thinking has changed in terms of the role of sustainability

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 committee that was brought momentarily to council. Rather than have them jump in after

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 the development of the plan to help instantiate it, I think we do a better job as a body and

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 as a community if we form that group and had them integrally involved in creating the plan,

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 creating the action plan. So those are my two main points I'd be very interested to

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 hear. Reaction and what my fellow committee members feel.

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 >> Councilmember Davis? >> Sure. Well, I think I agree in part and

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 disagree in part. I thought it was clarifying for me, I mean, staff just had it in the presentation,

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 to hear it previous to this as well. The role of this plan, it's kind of like the citywide

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 comprehensive plan. You have your big 50,000 foot goals in the big plan and then each one

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 of these things, I mean, just look at the feedback that we got on each one of these

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 points. You could spend one that we get all the time that we get repeatedly is where's

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 our climate action plan? Where's our climate action plan? Well, that doesn't function as

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 well at the 50,000 foot level. The climate action plan has to be very granular and very

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 specific and so it fills a different role. I think in the ecosystem of action plans and

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 strategic plans and comprehensive plans, I think this one fills its intended niche well.

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 It sets big 50,000 foot goals and then we have to go department by department. We go

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 to solid waste and we have a solid waste plan and it may hit three, four of the different

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 focus areas, but I think that's by design and then we have, you can think of more examples,

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 department by department, what each part of the city needs to do to fulfill the overall

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 big plan. I think that also relieves some of the pressure that we get in some of the

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 feedback for where's the specificity? Well, the specificity comes at those granular levels.

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 What is each department doing? I know that there are some folks in the community who

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 see that as kind of passing the buck. Well, here's the big plan. When you're going to

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 get to the real plan, when's the real action going to happen? Well, I think in an organization

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 our size and the duties that we have, the stewardship duties we have to the taxpayers

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 and rate payers, I think that's how it works is you start 50,000 foot and you have to work

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 your way down. I understand the frustration, but I think this plan fulfills the role it's

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 intended for pretty well. Now, does that mean that we can't do a better job of keeping the

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 gas on and maybe gas is a bad, you know, keeping our foot on the accelerator? Sure, we can

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 do a better job of that and council can do a better job of making sure that we're pushing

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 forward. And so that's why I agree to the second part of what you said, Paul. I think

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 that a community committee would do a better job of putting together the, sorry, my office

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 line is ringing. I think a community committee would do a better job of putting together

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 specific action plans. The same folks that we would expect to have a lot of really good

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 input, if we were to sit in our offices and put it together ourselves, those same folks

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 would be the ones that we would expect to serve on a committee. And I think they would

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 do, like you said, a better job of getting the whole thing together with the kind of

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 action plan the community would want to see. I think it's got to be grassroots in the way

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 that you're describing. So I agree with that part.

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 Yeah, yes, I would agree with both of you on that the advisory, the sustainability advisory

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 committee is vital in this process. And to hear that this is a guiding document, not

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 an action plan, it helps alleviate some of the, like the other council member said, uncomfortableness

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 with not any specific metrics and specific goals. There's a high level, but I also think

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 that they go hand in hand and they should be looked at and worked together. Because

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 if we approve this plan, and the committee that's established, hopefully goes back and

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 has something to add, is it a working document? Can they add things? Can they change things?

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 Or is it just council approve this? This is all that you can talk about and measure for

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 this implementation plan. I think that's something we need to make sure of before going forward.

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 And also, yesterday we had, Jesse and I were on the Economic Development Partnership Board,

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 and we had an update from our TIFF strategies. And one of the main goals, sustainability,

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 was a strategic growth portion for our community. And so not only does this plan impact our

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 climate, our health, it's also going to be used for economic development within the city.

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 So it's going to touch every single department. Many people need to weigh in. And it's kind

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 of like when we talk about, Councilmember Davis, you said, you know, each department,

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 do we have this plan? And then the departments do their information and their goals off of

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 this plan? Or is it, do we look at what they're doing and kind of implement it here? It's,

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 you know, which one do we want to be the main guiding document for every department? And

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 will they be able to implement the kind of things that the committee wants them to, is

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 the main question. And Mario, if you could just weigh in. I know that I asked about the

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 committee recently, and you sent some information about that establishment. Could you just update

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 us on where that stands in the process, please? For the committee itself, as far as the establishment

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 of it? Yes. So it'd be the advisory committee. Correct. Sure. Well, we were really just waiting

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 for Council to adopt the plan, as Catherine mentioned earlier this month. And we would

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 have been able to work with the city secretary's office to go ahead and, again, part of that

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 is making sure that we understand what the scope of the committee is so that we can go

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 ahead and start, staff can begin advertising for the committee itself, is the number of

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 candidates or not candidates, but the size of the committee. Is it one person per council

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 member? How do you all want to establish it? And so then we can just work with the city

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 secretary's office to get the process out. I mean, we're about to go through the committee

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 agenda recruitment process anyway here this summer, so it could fall right in line with

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 that. Councilor Metzler? You're on mute. Well, it probably sounded more intelligent, but

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 let me say a couple of things. One is I'm hearing sort of the consensus, but I would

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 say then let's call this then simply sustainable plan goals and strategies draft, because it's

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 not the plan. If you call it the plan, that flies in the face of what plans are. So I'm

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 fine with this concept, but if it's misleading or doesn't communicate clearly to me, as well

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 as to members of the public, I mean, why call it something that's going to create this confusion?

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 So why not just call it even simply sustainable, leave the word plan out at this point. It's

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 a plan once you have a plan. So simply sustainable goals and strategies draft, then that simple

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 change I think would help a lot. Secondly, question on the composition of the committee.

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 I think something worth discussing is, is it just, we're going to have X number of people

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 and everybody appoints one, or as in some committees, should we define certain areas

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 of expertise that we want represented on that committee? And maybe everybody can nominate,

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 but that we're specifically looking for expertise in some areas. I'm interested in reactions

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 on that. And I lean toward that. I'm not sure I know what the answer is, but what they would

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 be like, I think that's worth talking about. Well, if I could just interject here, I would

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 think that each goal or would have someone specifically tied to it. Or, you know, and

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 then just another person, I don't know that seven members are going to be enough for this

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 committee. We need nominate. So maybe there are people directly tied with information

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 to certain goals, renewable energy, you know, solid waste or recycling, that type of thing.

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 And then we have regular or just any citizens with other input as well. Yeah, I'm not sure

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 that just a seven member committee. Oh, sorry, Mario. Oh, no, go ahead. Go ahead, please

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 finish your thought. I just have a wanted to put my hand up to ask a question in a minute.

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 So, yeah, again, that that's all I just I'm not sure that with a plan or an attended plan,

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 this big seven members would would be enough. But that's just my opinion. Councilmember

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 Davis, do you have anything to weigh on the committee? Or is this something you think

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 we should even discuss here before it goes to council or just? Well, I think if we've

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 got some discrete thoughts on it, I think we ought to put those together before the

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 council gets them, because otherwise they just all turn their heads and say, Well, what

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 did the committee talk about? So I know I agree with that. I hadn't really thought about

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 that at all. But I think that's a good approach. You know, that we have kind of representatives

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 kind of like Paul said, I'm not sure I get off the top of my head right now give you

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 the definitive list of all the different areas we need represented by like the focus areas

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 as a starting point. There may be some others that we want to include on there. I think

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 I agree with you that eight to seven is not not a big enough committee that we'd want

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 the focus areas and then some couple three at large kind of kind of folks that may not

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 either fit into one of those areas or they just may represent something else entirely.

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 It's not one of the focus areas. So I think as a as a rough draft, I think I like that.

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 You know, I'd love to see us get deeper into the expertise in the university communities

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 than we ordinarily do in drawing on citizens. I think if they get a really media assignment

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 like this, you know, we may may do better at attracting that kind of talent. Mario, go

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 ahead. Sure, I just wanted to ask Councilmember Milster. So is the is the concern that you

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 have just the title of the document? Well, that's one of the concerns I have, because

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 it because I mean, you know, it led to a different expectation for me. And and I know it did

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 for others, too. So I think we should do these. Do you think that, you know, beyond the title

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 and certainly, you know, I mean, you know, a comprehensive plan is that uber document

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 that that that major document and then things from there are delineated from those from

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 those those those key areas, key focus areas. You know, certainly, we can look at beefing

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 up the the narrative in the document, not to add that many more pages, but just to be

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 able to give more better description of what this what this document is because. OK, sorry

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 to jump on. Oh, no, it's just because if someone just sees the title and then just brushes

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 it off, oh, it's just it doesn't mean anything. Well, there's more to it than just a title.

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 It just goes into the sort of narrative, the preamble, per se, of the document, the introduction.

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 OK, so I'll say a couple of things about that. One is that for sure, in the opening description,

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 it should say this isn't the plan. This is the over, you know, a draft of the overarching

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 goals and strategies that together with an action plan will create the plan. But, you

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 know, in any kind of management setting, you know, I'm sure you've experienced in your

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 long years, a plan is something that has actions and dates. You know, that's what a plan is.

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 So so I would just not represent this as the plan. So so I would say the main thing would

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 be and I'm not saying add tons of stuff. Probably a sentence would do it at the beginning and

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 the title. You know, it's this is the goals and strategies document that will be paired

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 with an action plan. Say that. And for the title, I'm fine with simply sustainable goals

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 and strategies and probably keep the draft watermark that goes to the committee. So they

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 know as you know, as member Briggs, what do we say, Chair Briggs in the Senate, as she

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 suggested that they should feel, you know, the liberty to suggest changes back into this

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 as well as into that. But we do. But even before you have a committee to review it,

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 I think there needs to be some council direction, whether it's a resolution ordinance, something

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 that the council adopts as this is what you're working on committee. And then from there

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 it gets it gets it morphs and evolves over time. No, no disagreement. And you could have

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 a resolution of support for the simply sustainable goals and strategies. Which and have it be

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 clear goals and strategies are not tactics, you know, calendar.

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 And if I could just interject, I mean, one of the first things we started off in this

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 presentation was this is a guidance document, not the action plan. And so we can continue

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 to use those words as this being the guidance document. And then it will turn into the action

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 plan. And I think part of the hesitation is if we say that this is the plan, and you know,

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 all the comments that we got was that, you know, well, these are just overarching goals,

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 there's no action. So they actually they go together for the community. And, and if we

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 could just find a way to, to integrate those two together, I think we'll be doing okay

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 for the committee. And I think I think mostly people just don't want to see a plan that

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 has no goals and that is going to just be sitting somewhere, you know, without without

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 any other specific measure rules, especially with something like sustainability, which

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 is so important to a majority of our, our residents.

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 I think they want the specificity, as you say, and the, you know, sort of the sense

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 of action, but they also want some some really, really aggressive, challenging goals. And

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 I think that we'll be able to endorse those or not based on having, you know, that knowledgeable

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 group advises.

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 I will say that the document, what we have now the guidance document is really great

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 to work from and we this committee went over it and through it and added to it. And I'm

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 not knocking it at all. I think it's it's great. And I think just having that distinction

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 between the action plan and this document helps a lot of people understand the process

00:24:53.040 --> 00:24:59.480
 a little better.

00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:01.440
 Councilmember Davis.

00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:13.160
 I agree with I think most of what's been said. I agree with Councilmember Meltzer that semantics

00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:17.400
 can be important, you know, using precise wording can be important and it conveys the

00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:25.160
 right message. I'd be fine with, you know, something like simply sustainable strategies

00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:31.040
 or sustainable goals or anything kind of in that in that realm. I think I'd be fine with

00:25:31.040 --> 00:25:32.040
 that.

00:25:32.040 --> 00:25:37.000
 I'll tell you why I said goals and strategies, just because those are the headings that are

00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:43.320
 in it. Every page is broken up into goals and strategies. I think we'll probably see

00:25:43.320 --> 00:25:51.280
 shortly that that's why I made that suggestion. But yeah, I'm not coming up on it. But yeah,

00:25:51.280 --> 00:25:54.800
 I think that's why it's goals and strategies. Although, you know, it's almost misleading

00:25:54.800 --> 00:26:01.400
 in a way that it's got metrics in it because it's like, that's it. These are the metrics.

00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:09.320
 Maybe it's just sort of high level metrics, because once you get into more specific actions,

00:26:09.320 --> 00:26:16.360
 you know, those will have their own metrics, you know, complete by X date, achieve X level

00:26:16.360 --> 00:26:28.880
 of, you know, output and so on. So maybe it's high level metrics. But anyway, I'm done wordsmithing.

00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:31.760
 I think at this point is communicated.

00:26:31.760 --> 00:26:37.400
 Okay, Mario, Catherine, do you have everything from the committee that you need going forward

00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.840
 on? Or is there still?

00:26:40.840 --> 00:26:47.440
 Well, I think just kind of frame it up, the guts of the document, the committee is happy

00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:48.440
 with, correct?

00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:53.960
 Well, I was hoping we would go into the guts as well. Although most of my comments will

00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:59.560
 go away now, because a lot of them were like, where's the action plan? So but I think it's

00:26:59.560 --> 00:27:03.040
 worth at least seeing others' notes.

00:27:03.040 --> 00:27:07.600
 Well, because because you know, with an action plan, I mean, it's gonna, it's gonna require

00:27:07.600 --> 00:27:13.440
 funding, whether it's using an outside consultants or staff time. I mean, there's a variety of

00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:19.560
 ways to achieve the goals and strategies that are that are laid out in the sustainable simple

00:27:19.560 --> 00:27:27.320
 sustainable planner, however you want to call it. So we will continue to move things forward,

00:27:27.320 --> 00:27:33.000
 bring them down to counsel to the COE to the Public Utilities Board, all the various committees

00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:38.280
 that that are involved. And certainly this this new committee that will be established

00:27:38.280 --> 00:27:45.880
 to again, move the needle forward as we keep ticking off these goals and strategies that

00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:54.000
 you all have laid out for for our community. So but just going back and Councilmember Melser,

00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:58.760
 you may want to go into the more the details of the document itself. But from what I could

00:27:58.760 --> 00:28:03.280
 gather is the committee for the most part was was happy with the contents, what was

00:28:03.280 --> 00:28:08.040
 laid out the recommendation of the committee. And then so really, it's just more trying

00:28:08.040 --> 00:28:14.800
 to tweak and wordsmith the title of the document, whether it's a simple sustainable goals and

00:28:14.800 --> 00:28:20.680
 strategies plan or we just need to make sure we land on something so that we can bring

00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:22.840
 it to Council at some point.

00:28:22.840 --> 00:28:26.560
 I will continue to strongly object if it has the word plan in it.

00:28:26.560 --> 00:28:30.640
 You just don't like the word plan. Yeah, until it's a plan. When it's a plan,

00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:35.560
 I'm I'm all for having the word plan. I want us to have a plan with the word plan on it.

00:28:35.560 --> 00:28:41.080
 But this isn't that yet. Okay.

00:28:41.080 --> 00:28:45.320
 That's my minority view, maybe.

00:28:45.320 --> 00:28:56.040
 And I mean, we can we can go into some specifics that you want Councilmember Melser. Mario,

00:28:56.040 --> 00:29:02.360
 how how long do you think it would take to establish a committee or an advisory committee

00:29:02.360 --> 00:29:10.840
 because I know that some of these, even the, you know, like the, the EV goals are in here

00:29:10.840 --> 00:29:17.600
 for the next year or so, or some

00:29:17.600 --> 00:29:26.520
 other reductions. I just I want to make sure that even the smaller goals within this goals

00:29:26.520 --> 00:29:32.760
 and strategies will not be overlooked in the meantime, because, you know, time is of the

00:29:32.760 --> 00:29:39.280
 essence when we're talking about no climate. Right. Well, just going back on my experience

00:29:39.280 --> 00:29:44.280
 when we established the Committee on Citizens and Disabilities Council, I think authorized

00:29:44.280 --> 00:29:49.520
 that in August of the previous year, not previous year, but the year before it started. And,

00:29:49.520 --> 00:29:53.640
 and we kicked off that committee with its first meeting, I believe, either in January, February,

00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:58.800
 the following year. So it takes a little bit of time just because you do have the holidays,

00:29:58.800 --> 00:30:03.400
 you have to go through the process of going through the application process. But, but

00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:09.120
 we can get it relatively we can get it started probably within 90 to 120 days.

00:30:09.120 --> 00:30:12.440
 And I don't I don't see this as a consultant type of

00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:16.480
 Oh, no, I'm just talking about just the committee itself. Yes, by establishing the committee,

00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:23.080
 I'm just saying when we established the Committee on Citizens with Disabilities, the council,

00:30:23.080 --> 00:30:28.120
 they authorize you all authorized the resolution creating the committee, we went through the

00:30:28.120 --> 00:30:34.280
 application process because you all had nominations that you made. And then we finally established

00:30:34.280 --> 00:30:38.120
 it was an 11 person committee. And then we had, I believe we kicked our first meeting

00:30:38.120 --> 00:30:47.720
 off and in 2019, early 2019, January, February of 2019. So it started within 120 or so days

00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:54.480
 after after the council authorized the resolution. Okay, well, I would like to hear some feedback

00:30:54.480 --> 00:31:01.700
 from our committee members on the establishment. And if we want to go ahead and try to figure

00:31:01.700 --> 00:31:09.640
 out something today to send to council so that we can start the process. Yes, I would

00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:15.920
 like to do that. Yeah, I think we've got the bones of it already. I don't think we have

00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:22.440
 too much more to flesh out there because I'm, I'm sure that council will have further input.

00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:30.560
 So I think we're we're almost there now with with our rough suggestion. Right. Okay. Yeah,

00:31:30.560 --> 00:31:37.160
 I, I agree. And so Councilman Mouser, did you want to go over some specifics that you

00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:45.280
 had for today? Yeah, if you can be, you know, a little patient with me as I sort of sift

00:31:45.280 --> 00:31:49.960
 because some of them have, you know, been addressed. I don't think I have anything under

00:31:49.960 --> 00:32:00.320
 water, under air. You know, one question I have is where is expanded monitoring to pinpoint

00:32:00.320 --> 00:32:06.960
 local issues? Maybe that's something that would fall in an action, an action plan. Fleet

00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:15.000
 metric, it just says increase, you know, renewability in the fleet, but you know, there's no specificity

00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:22.240
 like even if we increase by one, is that adequate? You want me to stop at any point? Actually,

00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:30.680
 yeah, tell me if I'm going too fast, or if you want me to stop to discuss. Here's one

00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:36.280
 we probably ought to discuss. Under energy, there's a lot of narrative about achieving

00:32:36.280 --> 00:32:43.160
 100% renewable. So that's now out of date. I mean, we're there. At least, you know, you

00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:47.800
 can debate about the use of recs and so on. And, you know, the committee probably ought

00:32:47.800 --> 00:32:53.840
 to get into that. But if we say by our adopted definition that we're there, so what's the

00:32:53.840 --> 00:32:58.800
 new goal? And I don't necessarily have an answer to that. But that's, I don't think

00:32:58.800 --> 00:33:08.360
 we can just say, you know, our goal is to get to where we are already today. Yay. So

00:33:08.360 --> 00:33:13.280
 that's one. You want to talk about that? You want to keep going? I mean, maybe maintaining,

00:33:13.280 --> 00:33:20.840
 or you know, we have reached the goal, or we could add, you know, other types of energy.

00:33:20.840 --> 00:33:25.780
 And that would be something I think for the individuals of the, you know, advisory committee

00:33:25.780 --> 00:33:32.000
 maybe to say, hey, let's make sure we add, you know, 10 more percent solar to our, you

00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:39.640
 know, generation or, you know, you add more specific generation to that instead of just

00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:46.600
 this overall goal that we've already met. And I do believe that as we go down, certain

00:33:46.600 --> 00:33:55.000
 things will fall off and those percentages will change. So, you know, making sure that

00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:02.160
 goal continues, we're going to need to make sure that it's coordinated with, you know,

00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:07.680
 other purchases along the way. I'm trying to go through the chart in my mind that, you

00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:15.560
 know, the percentages, so. Let me respond to that if any. For me personally, absent

00:34:15.560 --> 00:34:20.720
 any other information, I don't have a feeling like we ought to be more solar, more wind.

00:34:20.720 --> 00:34:27.320
 I mean, unless we hear, you know, one of those has got other environmental considerations

00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:35.400
 that, you know, but within the concept of how much energy we generate, I think at least

00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:40.560
 something worth discussing is whether it's our goal to help green the grid, right? A

00:34:40.560 --> 00:34:45.640
 hundred percent means we just meet our needs. So there's absolutely no need, for instance,

00:34:45.640 --> 00:34:51.400
 to encourage rooftop solar. Why encourage rooftop solar? We already buy renewable, right?

00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:57.400
 The reason to encourage rooftop solar, if you want that, is because we can produce more

00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:04.440
 energy than just what we need. And then we're greening the grid for the rest of our region.

00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:11.640
 So I think that's at least worth a discussion. Does it belong? I don't know if it belongs

00:35:11.640 --> 00:35:18.720
 in here. Now I'm confused, but I think maybe we ought to talk about whether that's a relevant

00:35:18.720 --> 00:35:29.920
 goal for Denton or not. Maybe I'll just keep going so we get all this stuff from the table.

00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:36.480
 Let's see. All right. Also on energy, there's a list of additional strategies for consideration.

00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:41.660
 Can we consider them? Isn't this the group that would do the consideration? We should

00:35:41.660 --> 00:35:55.940
 say in or out, you know? So I'll keep moving. On land use, we didn't specify the 10 minute

00:35:55.940 --> 00:36:02.880
 walk goal in the metrics. I think it should be in the metrics. We also didn't include

00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:08.300
 specific canopy goals from the urban forest plan. And I don't think we should be disconnected

00:36:08.300 --> 00:36:13.400
 in that way. I think the goals from other subcomponents, you know, should be reflected

00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:23.040
 in these goals with a kind of a how much by when, ideally. Let's see. There's a discussion

00:36:23.040 --> 00:36:27.160
 of brownfields. We don't say how much we want to fill in by when. Maybe that's action

00:36:27.160 --> 00:36:42.120
 plan stuff. Let's see. Under land use, on strategy three, I personally advocate for

00:36:42.120 --> 00:36:52.220
 evaluating code improvements to further protect eases. Especially upland habitat. Strategies

00:36:52.220 --> 00:37:03.860
 to reduce the reliance on alternative eases. That's my thing. I don't know if others agree.

00:37:03.860 --> 00:37:16.200
 Let's see. On strategy seven, it wasn't clear what we were saying about gas wells. There's

00:37:16.200 --> 00:37:23.040
 a statement sort of saying gas wells exist. But it's not clear what goal it applies to

00:37:23.040 --> 00:37:35.920
 and whether there should be anything related to gas wells under the air quality chapter.

00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:41.140
 Strategy eight on land use, it talks about Clear Creek. There's nothing saying what the

00:37:41.140 --> 00:37:48.440
 status of the six year old Clear Creek master plan is. You know, should we be attaching

00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:59.120
 to some goal that we have for that? Then there's also another additional strategies for consideration.

00:37:59.120 --> 00:38:10.980
 So I'd say why don't we consider them then? Under transport, let's see. A lot of my notes

00:38:10.980 --> 00:38:17.520
 are about wanting specificity. And whether we have ticked and tied to the expressed goals

00:38:17.520 --> 00:38:26.160
 in the mobility plan. That's a question. I think it's worth doing the look. And again,

00:38:26.160 --> 00:38:36.360
 there's additional strategies. Same point. Chapter six, metrics. There's a reference

00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:46.360
 to what we want to do by 2020. It's already 2020. Shouldn't we have some kind of survey

00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:54.020
 result of awareness or attitude or an attitude result that we want to target? That can be

00:38:54.020 --> 00:39:01.600
 a metric too. If we're talking about education, the goal should not be just to have a level

00:39:01.600 --> 00:39:08.200
 of activity. The activity should be to achieve a goal. And the goal should be either, you

00:39:08.200 --> 00:39:16.980
 know, awareness, attitude, or behavior. Those are measurable things. Strategy three says

00:39:16.980 --> 00:39:26.320
 implement green business program, which is implemented already. So we need, you know,

00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:36.320
 certain kind of goals. Expand it some way if we want to do that. Strategy four also

00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:41.160
 talks about, you know, making more stuff, but not what we want to achieve in terms of

00:39:41.160 --> 00:39:49.760
 awareness, attitude, or behavior. Strategy five, expand from what level to what level

00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:56.520
 by doing what. Maybe that's action plan stuff. Then there's additional strategies there.

00:39:56.520 --> 00:40:02.520
 Same comment. Materials management chapter should tie with solid waste strategy in some

00:40:02.520 --> 00:40:11.760
 explicit way. And goal one, you know, how about explicitly saying we want to target the

00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:18.520
 large commercial recycling opportunity as strategy one, or expansion of concierge program.

00:40:18.520 --> 00:40:27.040
 Now is that action plan stuff? You know, I think it's at least worth talking about that.

00:40:27.040 --> 00:40:34.480
 Chapter eight has three things in the title, one of which is resilience. And one of them

00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:40.800
 is environment. Isn't environment like all of these things? I really don't understand

00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:47.640
 why that's one of three things in one topic. I think that chapter eight is really primarily

00:40:47.640 --> 00:40:54.240
 about resilience, and that's just a wordsmith thing. I would just, you know, leave the focus

00:40:54.240 --> 00:41:01.200
 on that. I think the goals in it are probably not in priority order. I'd probably go three,

00:41:01.200 --> 00:41:07.840
 two, one. But, you know, we can talk about that. And I just wonder if there are other

00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:11.560
 metrics for sustainability than just food production. You know, Council Member Briggs

00:41:11.560 --> 00:41:20.960
 has some NLC experience in sustainability. I imagine there's other stuff we can get into.

00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:26.680
 Also, we talk so much about pollination, but it's unclear to me whether it's a goal or

00:41:26.680 --> 00:41:31.600
 a strategy, or, you know, the discussion is a little unfocused there. And I'm almost at

00:41:31.600 --> 00:41:45.200
 the end, I think. Yep, that's it. Thank you, Council Member. Could somebody, the additional

00:41:45.200 --> 00:41:51.440
 goals for consideration under those items, were those for council to consider, or this

00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:57.840
 committee to consider, or for the action plan? Can somebody weigh in on that? Those are strategies

00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:05.000
 that may not have been quite ready to, sorry, quite ready to fully write out and update

00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:11.580
 into this document. But since this is a living document that is updated annually as departments

00:42:11.580 --> 00:42:16.480
 get closer to, you know, making a decision about how they want to move forward with that,

00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:21.800
 that would be further developed and implemented into the plan, written into it. So this plan

00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:28.840
 is a living document that can be updated as actions occur, as new opportunities arise.

00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:33.800
 It's not a limiting document. So those could be something, as the implementation

00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:40.160
 committee goes through, can look and consider. Council Member Metzler brought up a good point

00:42:40.160 --> 00:42:45.920
 that I also had a note on. I mean, we have a bike and pedestrian plan, a mobility plan,

00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:51.680
 and urban forestry plan. We're working on a mobility plan, you know, which includes,

00:42:51.680 --> 00:42:56.520
 you know, infrastructure for sidewalks. And a lot of the comments that I received had

00:42:56.520 --> 00:43:03.740
 to do with, you know, with these things. So making sure they all coordinate. And one

00:43:03.740 --> 00:43:10.260
 of my concerns or question is, I know that we have a solid waste plan or a consultant

00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:16.960
 or something that was on the agenda to get approved and it got moved. I don't know where

00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:22.040
 that is at this point. But I do know that a lot of the comments and a lot of the things

00:43:22.040 --> 00:43:28.160
 that are in this plan have to do with, you know, solid waste strategies, zero waste,

00:43:28.160 --> 00:43:34.960
 maybe diversion, recycling, which could be correlated in that in that other plan. So

00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:43.480
 the comprehensive solid waste management strategy. Yeah. So how, how would these work, work together?

00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:48.920
 So I'm sorry. I don't know what's going on my voice. So the comprehensive solid waste

00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:54.160
 management strategy will be integrated into the sustainability plan whenever that document

00:43:54.160 --> 00:43:59.840
 is complete and approved by council. So there will be lots of opportunity for input on what

00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:05.560
 goes into that plan and then we'll, we can come back and rewrite that materials management

00:44:05.560 --> 00:44:13.800
 chapter based on the goals in that strategy. Would, would it not work in the reverse way

00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:20.480
 though, where if this is, you know, it goes to council and it's approved as a, a goals

00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:26.760
 and strategies where whoever's working on that solid waste plan would get these and

00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:34.960
 see that these things are important at this. I mean, I'm just, I can see it going either

00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:41.320
 way. Um, because we're kind of in parallel process right now and, and the same with mobility

00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:45.760
 plan and the urban forest plan went the same day, urban forest master plan went the same

00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:51.320
 day that this plan went to council. So we didn't have those goals to include in the

00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:57.120
 sustainability plan, but that's why we call it a living document because things change.

00:44:57.120 --> 00:45:03.560
 Um, and we want to be able to update and, and grow with that. Um, the comprehensive

00:45:03.560 --> 00:45:09.920
 solid waste management strategy, it's in, um, the scope has already been put out, um,

00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:15.040
 and they're reviewing the document, their proposals now. So let me Brian burners on

00:45:15.040 --> 00:45:20.840
 the phone, on the line, he can kind of chime in if he's available, um, to kind of give

00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:27.040
 a quick status on that, on that, on that process. Thank you. Ms. Briggs, uh, and the members

00:45:27.040 --> 00:45:31.160
 of the committee, Brian burner, solid waste director with the city of Denton. I do appreciate

00:45:31.160 --> 00:45:34.800
 the opportunity to talk a little bit about our strategy and the process that we're going

00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:41.400
 through. Uh, as, as, uh, Ms. Barnett said, we are, um, in the process of actually evaluating,

00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:46.240
 uh, that the four submittals that we have received for consultants to come in and complete

00:45:46.240 --> 00:45:53.640
 the strategy, uh, now that we have, uh, resuscitated or resurrected it, uh, after the COVID, uh,

00:45:53.640 --> 00:45:59.120
 financial scare that, that we had, uh, we do anticipate here with probably, uh, either

00:45:59.120 --> 00:46:03.200
 very late July or first part of August, uh, bringing that before the council to award

00:46:03.200 --> 00:46:08.640
 and start the process, uh, with regard to, you know, which comes first, the chicken or

00:46:08.640 --> 00:46:14.520
 the egg. I think part of what will come out of this strategy is the tools we need to actually

00:46:14.520 --> 00:46:20.720
 set development, uh, uh, diversion goals. One of the big problems that we have right

00:46:20.720 --> 00:46:27.520
 now is, uh, we've got a very, very bad market that's out, uh, for the sale of recycled materials.

00:46:27.520 --> 00:46:32.520
 There are certain, uh, constraints, uh, that are, that are put on cities, uh, related to,

00:46:32.520 --> 00:46:37.840
 uh, state and federal laws. Probably the biggest one, uh, is, you know, the bag ban, uh, city

00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:43.440
 of Laredo, uh, wanted to put a plastic bag banning in place. And, you know, basically

00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:47.540
 that's against state law. Cities can't do that. So what, what are the hindrances that,

00:46:47.540 --> 00:46:52.440
 that are in place? And as a result of this evaluation, what we'll be able to do is step

00:46:52.440 --> 00:47:00.880
 into this wide open. And as, as the, as part of our process, uh, create, uh, uh, achievable

00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:07.840
 goals, uh, based on the, uh, the information that we have, uh, but also it will help us

00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:12.640
 strategize how we want, how we move to that next level. If we're not happy with the goals,

00:47:12.640 --> 00:47:19.520
 uh, given the constraints we were presented with, what steps will we as a city need to

00:47:19.520 --> 00:47:25.360
 take to help sort of clear the path to get to that next level of diversion recycling

00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:29.520
 that we need to be? So again, this is, this, this is something that's a little bit innovative.

00:47:29.520 --> 00:47:34.640
 It's not a management plan. Uh, it's a strategy that helps us, that looks at, at everything

00:47:34.640 --> 00:47:42.640
 from a 360 degree angle, uh, uh, impacts and, and, and processes, uh, and allows us to go,

00:47:42.640 --> 00:47:47.320
 uh, through the rest of this century, uh, with, with a, a, a clear understanding of,

00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:53.960
 of how we, we meet those goals and, and what are the, the, the hindrances that, that are

00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:59.000
 in our way, uh, so that we can maximize the, the, uh, commitment that we have to the residents

00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:04.400
 and the businesses, uh, while retaining and obtaining the lowest possible price for those

00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:05.400
 goals.

00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:16.240
 Okay. Thank you. Sorry. Go, go ahead. Yeah. I think it would be, uh, not just superficial,

00:48:16.240 --> 00:48:23.480
 uh, but kind of superficial to, to just indicate, since this is a draft, um, you know, mobility

00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:31.620
 plan goals will go here. Solid waste strategy, you know, goals will go here just to at least

00:48:31.620 --> 00:48:37.980
 reflect the intentionality for this all to get knit together. And, uh, you know, if some

00:48:37.980 --> 00:48:42.240
 of us aren't sitting here, you know, in six months and they're still looking at this,

00:48:42.240 --> 00:48:47.000
 uh, they can go, Oh, okay. We're supposed to be knitting all these things together. You

00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:51.840
 know, it won't be dependent on anyone's memory that that really is our intention. Uh, so

00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:57.440
 I, I, I suggest doing that. And that would be pretty simple to do that just to be able

00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:04.640
 to rope in and, and, and, and, and add in the, the various, um, strategies and plans

00:49:04.640 --> 00:49:09.800
 that the city's working on mobility plan, the, the solid waste strategy plan and development

00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:15.560
 code forestry plan, you know, tree mitigation, all those things we can certainly call out

00:49:15.560 --> 00:49:20.360
 into the document. You know, reflective, you know, sort of a, a really more comprehensive

00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:26.560
 vision, you know, even though it's just a little superficial thing. One of the things

00:49:26.560 --> 00:49:32.440
 I'd like to just make a comment on after hearing, um, Brian speak and thank you for that update.

00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:36.560
 I'm glad to see it's going to be moving forward and, and not, um, put on the back burner for

00:49:36.560 --> 00:49:42.640
 now because it's really important, um, that we have in this, we have goals for like next

00:49:42.640 --> 00:49:49.880
 year or, or the next year. But if, if the, um, advisory committee could look at the implementation

00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:54.960
 of these goals and what that looks like, you know, 10 years away and how that's going to

00:49:54.960 --> 00:50:01.120
 affect us if these are implemented, I think that that's critical. Um, not, not just that

00:50:01.120 --> 00:50:05.640
 we meet this goal next year, but if we meet it for two years, what difference is that

00:50:05.640 --> 00:50:12.400
 going to make, you know, 10 years down the road? Um, so that's, uh, for, for me, that

00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:18.920
 would be, you know, pretty important on the implementation plan to, to see that, you know,

00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:23.280
 that's a very important framing thought is what is the time horizon, the intended time

00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:29.040
 horizon of this document, right? If, if, if, if, if we are explicit that this is a 10 year

00:50:29.040 --> 00:50:35.080
 vision that leads you different directions than if this whole thing is a two year vision.

00:50:35.080 --> 00:50:40.120
 Council Member Davis, do you have any comments on what you've heard?

00:50:40.120 --> 00:50:46.440
 Sure. I was going to kind of let us work through Paul's list, but, um, I had some of the same

00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:52.800
 things, not all of them. Um, the, I think what we've just touched on, um, brings in

00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:57.840
 a lot of my, my comments, the references to other plans. You know, for instance, the first,

00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:03.800
 the first minutes I had was on the tree canopy percentage. Um, I think we use on page five,

00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:09.000
 I think we use an old, old number and we've got a better number now from our urban forestry

00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:14.560
 plan. Um, and I just pulled that as, as an example of, uh, a place where we can, we can

00:51:14.560 --> 00:51:19.040
 mesh these things together a little bit better with some references. Um, you know, in the,

00:51:19.040 --> 00:51:23.160
 the web version, we can have them hyperlinked even that, uh, you know, you can hyperlink

00:51:23.160 --> 00:51:28.680
 in a PDF to, to the other plans. So all you have to do is click over to the other plan.

00:51:28.680 --> 00:51:31.640
 They're all going to look different because they're all different consultants, right?

00:51:31.640 --> 00:51:37.160
 But they're going to be basically one part of one ecosystem of plans. Um, I also had

00:51:37.160 --> 00:51:43.440
 Council Member Meltzer's note, uh, myself on the 100% renewable goal. Um, I don't know

00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:48.960
 the absolute best way to update that. I think, I think he's correct in that that's no longer

00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:55.280
 the goal. That's the achievement. We've done it. Um, we can either move up, uh, like the

00:51:55.280 --> 00:52:00.200
 consider other goals, the other things to consider. Number one has to do with on-site

00:52:00.200 --> 00:52:05.120
 generation and some of the things that we've been talking about on council. And it's broadly,

00:52:05.120 --> 00:52:09.320
 maybe too broadly, but it's broadly talking about other renewable opportunities. So maybe

00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:14.480
 we promote that one. It's on the bottom of page 20, I think. Uh, maybe we promote that

00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:21.240
 to a full, a full status goal and not an alternative goal because we're already having those conversations.

00:52:21.240 --> 00:52:25.640
 If we did that, I'd probably prefer, it's just me personally, I'd probably prefer to

00:52:25.640 --> 00:52:32.120
 leave, uh, methane out of it, just using the word methane because, um, that's a kind of

00:52:32.120 --> 00:52:36.560
 an ongoing policy choice that council is going to have to make based on some fiscal concerns.

00:52:36.560 --> 00:52:42.200
 So if we just said alternative fuels and on-site generation, that kind of stuff that leaves

00:52:42.200 --> 00:52:47.400
 us, leaves us open to have those conversations depending on what we, what we decide to do

00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:54.320
 and that those decisions may be made, you know, while this plan's under consideration. Um,

00:52:54.320 --> 00:53:00.760
 I like again, broadly under the heading of making references to other plans, I think,

00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:05.000
 uh, Paul's right about the 10 minute walk. Um, that's one of our big guiding principles

00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:11.940
 in open space. So it'd be good to reference that. Um, and let me see if I can understand

00:53:11.940 --> 00:53:19.920
 my note here. Um, page 32, hold on, let me, let me check the document and see what I had

00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:28.360
 to say about page 32. I know it looks like I'm staring right at you, but that's because

00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:39.240
 the document's on my screen. I'm not like, um, oh, I think, um, yeah, Paul, you mentioned

00:53:39.240 --> 00:53:44.320
 this one. Um, the sustainable businesses that we, you know, we, we don't need to say implement

00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:49.680
 the program anymore. We need to say, uh, you know, grow or expand or, and set ourselves

00:53:49.680 --> 00:53:55.840
 a new, a new goal. If we have 10, uh, I don't recall if we have 10 and let's set ourselves

00:53:55.840 --> 00:54:01.160
 a new goal, you know, 15 or 20. If we, if we don't, then let's change it from implement

00:54:01.160 --> 00:54:08.240
 to expand and then keep the 10 or 15 as the goal. Um, and then I agree. I hadn't thought

00:54:08.240 --> 00:54:13.560
 about chapter eight's title, but I agree there. Maybe just resilience is the best, best title.

00:54:13.560 --> 00:54:20.240
 I understand how, um, each of those things in that chapter can also tie to overall public

00:54:20.240 --> 00:54:26.160
 health. Um, but I think, I think I prefer just resilience as the title of that chapter

00:54:26.160 --> 00:54:33.480
 or something, something like that. Everything else that I've got down here, I think, um,

00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:36.800
 ties to what we've already talked about something, something else we've already hit on in one

00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:41.140
 way or another. So those are, those are my notes.

00:54:41.140 --> 00:54:51.280
 Uh, go ahead. Yeah, kill. You may have, you know, your own list of, uh, in sort of individual

00:54:51.280 --> 00:55:00.840
 points as well. Uh, but if not, or after that would the committee be open to just looking

00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:08.000
 at each of those groups of additional strategies for consideration and at least, uh, you know,

00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:16.520
 evaluating interest level, you know, so we've added something to the fact that that's been

00:55:16.520 --> 00:55:20.240
 presented to us. And I, I mean, I haven't really given them deep thought, you know,

00:55:20.240 --> 00:55:24.880
 either because it's like, okay, it's just part of the plan, but I think giving them

00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:34.000
 some consideration would be appropriate. Yeah. My, uh, my comments were, were all, were sent

00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:44.400
 in and, um, great creating green infrastructure, universal recycling ordinance, um, waste diversion.

00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:51.320
 Um, and then a lot about, there was several comments about, you know, solid waste, um,

00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:57.120
 zero waste, also melding the plans together. I think we've, we've touched on, on a lot

00:55:57.120 --> 00:56:06.000
 of it, um, land use canopy goals. Um, I want to make sure that, you know, food deserts

00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:12.880
 are, are addressed in our area. We talk about food. Um, that's a, that's a big deal for

00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:19.920
 some of our communities. And again, I'm just, I think that this may be, um, a discussion

00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:27.640
 that the, the committee can have as well. The, the advisory committee on implementation

00:56:27.640 --> 00:56:36.140
 of these and where those, where those are and how we should address that. And, and also

00:56:36.140 --> 00:56:43.160
 just one comment on the green business program. I am, I'm very excited that that is, um, established

00:56:43.160 --> 00:56:50.220
 and I know that this committee, you know, waited on that and started here and, um, it's

00:56:50.220 --> 00:56:55.960
 grown and I would love for it to keep growing. And I think there's other ways and programs

00:56:55.960 --> 00:57:02.840
 that I've messaged Catherine about the compost, um, program and individual businesses getting

00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:08.160
 points for, you know, participating in other programs. So not just growing it, but adding

00:57:08.160 --> 00:57:13.240
 different programs that the businesses can participate in. I think is something that

00:57:13.240 --> 00:57:25.040
 the advisory committee can discuss as well.

00:57:25.040 --> 00:57:29.640
 I don't know if JT may want to weigh in on the green business program. We're going through

00:57:29.640 --> 00:57:33.920
 the evaluation now after we finished the first year of it.

00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:39.720
 And a big thank you to JT for managing that and handling all that. It's a, it's a big

00:57:39.720 --> 00:57:46.740
 deal. So thank you.

00:57:46.740 --> 00:57:54.600
 Does he want to, does he want to comment?

00:57:54.600 --> 00:57:57.880
 Yeah, I'm trying to get the microphone working. Am I good?

00:57:57.880 --> 00:57:58.880
 You're good now.

00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:04.600
 Thank you. So we did finish the first year of the program. And so some of the feedback

00:58:04.600 --> 00:58:12.460
 that we got was basically to shift the program to a more open-ended approach for those people

00:58:12.460 --> 00:58:17.520
 that are in the program. And so the businesses that we do have so far are doing some really

00:58:17.520 --> 00:58:23.820
 awesome things. And the evaluation form that we sent out was kind of in line with the sustainability

00:58:23.820 --> 00:58:29.160
 plan in terms of those major overarching areas. But to be honest, some of the businesses are

00:58:29.160 --> 00:58:34.260
 doing some amazing things that are specific to their industry that we wouldn't have thought

00:58:34.260 --> 00:58:38.420
 of to put in there. And so I think that we're going to switch to a more open-ended approach

00:58:38.420 --> 00:58:43.880
 and really let those, those leaders take the lead on those different items and share with

00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:48.320
 other businesses what they're doing. And so that's kind of the direction that we're headed

00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:51.600
 and we'll bring updates on that soon.

00:58:51.600 --> 00:58:58.760
 That sounds like a strategy, you know, just sharing best practices from green business

00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:02.240
 participants.

00:59:02.240 --> 00:59:10.760
 And is there a list handy where of our green business participants that are in the program

00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:16.440
 on our website?

00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:21.540
 We have that list internally. There's currently not a list on the website, but we can definitely

00:59:21.540 --> 00:59:23.840
 have that discussion about adding that.

00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:30.480
 I mean, if it was okay with the businesses, I think that would be, you know, a pretty

00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:36.900
 cool thing to do so that people can find out who's participating and it may spur others

00:59:36.900 --> 00:59:40.800
 to want to try the same.

00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:45.720
 But we're off topic a little bit here. So sorry about that. Thank you. I think there's

00:59:45.720 --> 00:59:53.940
 a lot to discuss within all of these, these categories.

00:59:53.940 --> 01:00:00.960
 I'm sorry. One other comment that I had was about, and I'm not sure which, which goal

01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:08.960
 it's under, but it would be, it would probably be where the codes come in and parking and

01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:16.160
 concrete and removing that and, you know, allowing, you know, less parking and more

01:00:16.160 --> 01:00:21.420
 green space flexibility. And so again, that's, you know, two different departments coming

01:00:21.420 --> 01:00:31.600
 in and that would be, I think a council planning type decision as well. So having someone sitting

01:00:31.600 --> 01:00:36.680
 in the advisory committee from the planning department would, would be a recommendation

01:00:36.680 --> 01:00:43.880
 of mine. Absolutely. And then they're also in our internal team, our internal stakeholder

01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:50.560
 team. So we're introducing, we introduced to resiliency in November. And so getting

01:00:50.560 --> 01:00:57.480
 everyone thinking about co-benefits of programs and how, you know, if you have a drainage

01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:03.320
 channel that's natural and then you bring trees in, what does that do for air quality?

01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:07.640
 So trying to look at everybody whenever they're planning, thinking about the co-benefits of

01:01:07.640 --> 01:01:12.360
 the project. And that's what the sustainability plan really is. It's everybody meshing together

01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:18.200
 and trying to have a more sustainable community. Walking through some of council member Meltzer's

01:01:18.200 --> 01:01:25.600
 questions, I think that you're referring to the fleet goal of the 25% reduction in fuels

01:01:25.600 --> 01:01:32.720
 usage by 2025. Catherine, I'm sorry. Paul, could you, could you hit mute? We're getting

01:01:32.720 --> 01:01:45.560
 some feedback. Just to make sure. Thank you. Here we go. So the 25% reduction in fuel usage

01:01:45.560 --> 01:01:55.080
 by 2025 was a fleet management strategy that they said as they have adopted new versions

01:01:55.080 --> 01:02:03.600
 of the COG clean fleet policy and they're working towards a greener fleet, a right sized

01:02:03.600 --> 01:02:09.160
 fleet. So, so that was something that was set by that department. And that's going to

01:02:09.160 --> 01:02:16.160
 be ongoing. They're, they're going to be continually reviewing opportunities to green our fleet,

01:02:16.160 --> 01:02:24.820
 reduce fossil fuel usage. And I think they're being pretty aggressive now. And, and 2012,

01:02:24.820 --> 01:02:29.240
 those were some things that we, we didn't ever, you know, contemplate. We would be where

01:02:29.240 --> 01:02:35.920
 we are now. So I would just say that, you know, I'm sure everybody's like kind of always

01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:41.120
 working on improving and doing better. But the point of doing an exercise like this is

01:02:41.120 --> 01:02:47.000
 to sort of set the big goals to guide, you know, where are they trying to get to? So

01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:55.160
 I'm not saying I have an answer to this, but, you know, if, if we say this is a five year

01:02:55.160 --> 01:02:59.560
 outlook or a 10 year outlook, and, you know, then we know what we're trying to get to by

01:02:59.560 --> 01:03:05.480
 then, you know, that would indicate that would kind of give a signal to them about how aggressive

01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:09.480
 they should be to, to hit that, you know, I mean, I know everybody will keep trying

01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:16.160
 to improve, but how much? Well, and I think that whenever we have the discussion about

01:03:16.160 --> 01:03:22.360
 the greenhouse gas target setting and we decide, are we going to look at that 50% or are we

01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:28.120
 going to look at the 80% that will help us create the scenarios that we need and those

01:03:28.120 --> 01:03:34.240
 hard targets to meet those goals. You know, we, we may be looking at electrification of

01:03:34.240 --> 01:03:39.360
 homes. So, so that's going to increase the amount of power that we need, renewable power

01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:45.680
 that we need to stay at that rate. You know, we may need to look at a much more aggressive

01:03:45.680 --> 01:03:52.160
 fuel goal. If we set an 80% target reduction for greenhouse gas, I think you're illustrating

01:03:52.160 --> 01:03:57.800
 the point perfectly why, you know, those sort of challenging metrics ultimately need to

01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:03.680
 be part of the, what ultimately gets called the plan. Well, and we have to have the policy

01:04:03.680 --> 01:04:12.240
 direction set so that we can incorporate them into the plan. It's, you know, once we set

01:04:12.240 --> 01:04:20.760
 a target, then we can go back and build that. Moving on. So the energy, the 100% was just

01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:33.920
 maintaining was our thought and we can, sorry. Okay. That's okay. Keep going. Okay. Sorry.

01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:41.960
 Maintaining that 100% as we grow. So, but we can, we can wordsmith that and make sure

01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:48.680
 that we're capturing that. The land use, the 10 minute walk was the proximity to parks

01:04:48.680 --> 01:04:53.520
 was in the additional strategies. I think we can be more overt about the 10 minute walk

01:04:53.520 --> 01:04:59.320
 and include that. Incorporating the plans that have been adopted since this was brought

01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:05.840
 to you in 2019, we can do that. We can, I like the idea of hyperlinking those. That

01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:13.680
 would be awesome. Gas wells is just so that doesn't fall off our radar. We don't ever,

01:05:13.680 --> 01:05:18.480
 I mean, if we have an opportunity to do more about gas wells, we want to have the framework

01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:25.120
 there to do that. If I can interject, I know we have an item that was supposed to have

01:05:25.120 --> 01:05:33.840
 come before council, but we ran out of time. That includes proposals to encourage plugging

01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:40.480
 of wells through, you know, possible incentives. I mean, it's not baked yet nor has direction

01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:45.480
 been given, but that might be something that would plug into that place if that does get

01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:55.360
 approved. That's a great idea. The Clear Creek master

01:05:55.360 --> 01:06:05.720
 plan implementation. Clear Creek's been so flooded since 2015. It's a shame. We actually

01:06:05.720 --> 01:06:11.760
 may get the logjam removed south of 380 this year and then the water will drain and we'll

01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:21.000
 see where we stand. But until that's gone, unfortunately that area north of 380 has just

01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:25.800
 suffered greatly. The Green Belt and Clear Creek.

01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:38.800
 Oh, Keely, you're muted. I saw that the logjam was going to get cleared or was proposed to

01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:45.320
 get cleared and I'm pretty excited about that. So that would help. And you mentioned the

01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:51.880
 Clear Creek plan and that was in one of my questions to ask you. Is that something that

01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:56.520
 needs to be updated or is it still just, we're still working on it?

01:06:56.520 --> 01:07:03.240
 It is still valid. We've worked on the education components of it, just not the construction.

01:07:03.240 --> 01:07:10.280
 Funding for construction and some of the areas that we wanted to do improvements, they've

01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:16.720
 just been flooded. And since 2015, I never imagined after years of drought that we would

01:07:16.720 --> 01:07:22.760
 go through and have this much water. Go ahead, Councilmember Meltzer.

01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:28.600
 You know, should that, I mean, the fact that that's been the case for five years is, you

01:07:28.600 --> 01:07:38.120
 know, horrible, obviously, but is that something that's just purely, you know, nature or is

01:07:38.120 --> 01:07:44.600
 that something we failed to do in terms of acting? You know, when you, if, cause if it's

01:07:44.600 --> 01:07:51.760
 the latter, then, you know, over five years, a plan ought to have focused our attention

01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:58.080
 back on it, you know, so that we're forced to act.

01:07:58.080 --> 01:08:09.920
 I would say that nature has not been our friend. After the years of drought followed by two

01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:15.400
 out of four years of the highest rainfall we've ever seen since we've had that lease,

01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:20.800
 did create a lot of erosion. A lot of trees went into Elm Fork and Clear Creek and that

01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:28.080
 just completely silted up and created log jams south of 380. We have been trying to

01:08:28.080 --> 01:08:33.680
 get the Corps to do something about that for years and lobbying them. It's finally reached

01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:39.960
 a point where TxDOT's concerned about 380. So TxDOT is going to go in and work on it.

01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:49.080
 But I think should, should sort of persisting in that effort be part of our plan? Maybe

01:08:49.080 --> 01:08:54.720
 that's action plan, you know, to ensure it doesn't happen in the future after we get

01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:58.160
 it cleaned up. Well, you know, get it cleaned up and ensure

01:08:58.160 --> 01:09:02.840
 it doesn't happen. And then, I don't know, something bigger and more inspiring beyond

01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:09.920
 that. I have one last question about this because

01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:17.080
 we talk about implementation and, and how it costs money. Once we have an implementation

01:09:17.080 --> 01:09:23.200
 plan or the goals and strategies to go along with it, does that increase our ability to

01:09:23.200 --> 01:09:32.160
 apply for grants to, to get some of these things done if we have a specific goal tied?

01:09:32.160 --> 01:09:42.360
 We could, I could see where transportation funding, we might be able to apply for more

01:09:42.360 --> 01:09:53.700
 care. I'm looking at JT to see if he has any ideas about anything specific.

01:09:53.700 --> 01:09:59.400
 You know, this plan, I think as far as funding, this plan was developed in house. You know,

01:09:59.400 --> 01:10:05.120
 we didn't have a consultant to help update this plan at all. The original plan was developed

01:10:05.120 --> 01:10:14.640
 with a grant from Department of Energy in 2012. So, you know, if, if funding becomes

01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:18.720
 available through the federal government, again, through Department of Energy, I think

01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:22.840
 we could jump on that. Yeah, and I don't, I don't think that we need

01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:29.440
 a consultant. I think that this in-house and the committee and the plan, what we've talked

01:10:29.440 --> 01:10:35.440
 about is enough. I just mean actionable goals. Like when I see, you know, certain federal

01:10:35.440 --> 01:10:39.160
 grants for, you know, certain solid waste programs. And for me, it just seems like if

01:10:39.160 --> 01:10:46.920
 we have a goal or something attached to it, it would help us know when to apply for certain,

01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:52.800
 for certain grants. I see that as, as a benefit for this.

01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:58.640
 The solid waste side, the TURP funding through the state, the VW funding, I think those would

01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:03.440
 all be great opportunities. Okay. Thank you. Does anybody else have anything

01:11:03.440 --> 01:11:15.320
 on this item? And I want to make sure that you guys have what you need for next steps.

01:11:15.320 --> 01:11:23.800
 I'm still muted. Would you like to at least look at the different patches of additional

01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:31.760
 strategies and say, we're definitely not interested or you're definitely interested?

01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:38.560
 Who, who are you asking council member? There's, there's, there's little patches throughout

01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:44.480
 that say additional strategies for consideration, which to me suggests, you know, that we ought

01:11:44.480 --> 01:11:51.040
 to at least cursorily consider them, you know, and give some kind of, some kind of feedback.

01:11:51.040 --> 01:11:58.960
 I mean, if nobody else wants to do it, that's, that's okay. But that's my question.

01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:06.720
 Go ahead. Council member Davis. You know, I think I've been, since you brought

01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:10.280
 them up, I was a little bit curious about them also. And I've been trying to, trying

01:12:10.280 --> 01:12:14.960
 to think through what the best way to manage those are. I understand their purpose and

01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:23.460
 why they're there. I don't know. I don't know if it'd be best use for time today to kind

01:12:23.460 --> 01:12:30.040
 of go through and see which ones we promote, you know, individual chapter by chapter. But

01:12:30.040 --> 01:12:35.160
 I think that could be a good task for the committee to say here, here's some other things

01:12:35.160 --> 01:12:41.520
 to consider which of these in the next draft of the strategy or in the, you know, in the

01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:47.960
 action plans as we go, which of these needs to be promoted to full goal status or adopted

01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:51.600
 in some form in an action plan, something like that. I think that'd be good work for

01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:56.600
 the community. That's fine with me.

01:12:56.600 --> 01:13:03.360
 Yeah, I, I agree. That way that they don't get lost and they don't become, you know,

01:13:03.360 --> 01:13:11.680
 just non-considerations, but we give them the charge to, to go over and consider those.

01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:15.000
 Okay. Mario?

01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:21.200
 Well, so it sounds like what I heard is I'm going to tackle the folding and the other

01:13:21.200 --> 01:13:26.880
 plans first. So what we will do, staff will do is take the comments that the committee

01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:31.960
 mentioned this morning and fold in all the various plans that are being worked on across

01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:36.120
 your organization and make sure they're identified within the plan, literally called out. So

01:13:36.120 --> 01:13:43.480
 that way there's a placeholder there and there's something to tie back to. So I think

01:13:43.480 --> 01:13:49.280
 that, I think there was consensus amongst, amongst a group for that. As far as a title,

01:13:49.280 --> 01:13:55.680
 and again, I'm not, I'm not big on wordsmithing, but could we go with Denton's simple sustainable

01:13:55.680 --> 01:14:06.360
 goals and strategies? We good with that? Okay. So, uh, looking to Catherine, have I missed

01:14:06.360 --> 01:14:11.540
 anything? Cause we, cause it sounds like the committee, the new committee, not this committee,

01:14:11.540 --> 01:14:16.680
 but the new committee that will be newly formed will tackle some, some of the, some of the

01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:20.920
 items that were discussed today, some of those other items to be considered down the road

01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:25.040
 that can be tackled by the committee. So I think what staff will be doing is making those

01:14:25.040 --> 01:14:30.720
 revisions within the document, the draft document, reformulating it or refining it, reformatting

01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:39.000
 it, and then bringing it back to council for full consideration. Again, I don't want to

01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:43.800
 over promise and under deliver, but certainly by, by early August to make sure that we get

01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:53.200
 everything fully incorporated in there. So if that's okay, then that final version would

01:14:53.200 --> 01:14:58.240
 not, unless you want this to happen, would not come back to the committee. It would just

01:14:58.240 --> 01:15:02.240
 go straight to council based on your direction today.

01:15:02.240 --> 01:15:10.640
 Um, yeah, that, that's okay with me. Um, just to clarify, when this comes back to council,

01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:15.880
 will the ability for council to create the committee at the same time be within this

01:15:15.880 --> 01:15:23.120
 document? Because I see it as, um, as pretty important to go hand in hand.

01:15:23.120 --> 01:15:28.680
 We can certainly do that and have a, um, um, certainly with the recommendation from the

01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:34.520
 committee to make that happen and then have a, a second action item per se to go ahead

01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:39.240
 and establish the committee. So one thing that we may want to have happen though is,

01:15:39.240 --> 01:15:45.480
 uh, cause we're in, we're in June. Does the committee meet in July, Catherine? So maybe

01:15:45.480 --> 01:15:52.920
 what we'll do is before, um, we bring the, and I'm just running through my head the schedules

01:15:52.920 --> 01:15:58.440
 so, maybe one of the things that we would want to do is before we bring, um, the committee

01:15:58.440 --> 01:16:04.040
 structure to council, we will run it through the COE first to make sure we, we've covered

01:16:04.040 --> 01:16:10.200
 the adequate scope of the committee and the size of members. Cause you, you all said that

01:16:10.200 --> 01:16:14.280
 you believe seven is too small. Uh, so we want to make sure what, what is the right

01:16:14.280 --> 01:16:17.160
 number and then to make sure that the scope is appropriate.

01:16:17.160 --> 01:16:25.760
 All right. Go ahead. Council member Davis. So I, um, I kind of tongue in cheek said earlier,

01:16:25.760 --> 01:16:29.840
 I think the council is going to have a lot of input on that. Um, I really think we're

01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:35.640
 going to hear more at the council level. I'd be comfortable with, you know, setting a dual

01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:42.080
 work session items with corresponding action items, um, on the plan and the committee pretty

01:16:42.080 --> 01:16:46.920
 soon. Um, I don't know that we necessarily have to have, I think we've gotten pretty

01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:51.520
 good direction for the bones of what we'd like to see. And then staff can, can run with

01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:56.400
 that and put together a proposal and then present that to the full council. Um, I would

01:16:56.400 --> 01:17:02.720
 be extremely surprised if that, even if we were to sit here and fine tune the committee

01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:07.960
 in this committee, um, I'd be very surprised if that was the final product out of council.

01:17:07.960 --> 01:17:13.640
 Um, so I don't want to, I don't want to spin our wheels and do a lot of work fine tuning

01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:19.500
 something that's going to be further refined down the road. Um, uh, and we've already kind

01:17:19.500 --> 01:17:25.240
 of said that chapter titles are the focus areas. We like those as a, as the starting

01:17:25.240 --> 01:17:29.000
 point. Um, again, I think council is going to have further input there. And then all

01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:34.120
 three of us, of course, are there on the council. So if we, if we dream up something new on

01:17:34.120 --> 01:17:40.160
 the way, um, I think staff has the tools to put together a proposal. Now we can certainly

01:17:40.160 --> 01:17:48.200
 do that. Councilor Metzler, do you have anything? Yeah, I would just, uh, uh, to affirm, you

01:17:48.200 --> 01:17:53.280
 know, what councilor Davis just said that, you know, just to put up a sort of straw,

01:17:53.280 --> 01:18:00.600
 I think now you say straw dog, you don't say straw man, um, proposal for council to bat

01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:09.360
 around as far as the composition of the committee, uh, would be, uh, you know, uh, one person,

01:18:09.360 --> 01:18:15.080
 the goal would be that one person with expertise in each of the chapter areas that any member

01:18:15.080 --> 01:18:20.480
 could nominate, you know, could look for talent, uh, to nominate for those positions, uh, and

01:18:20.480 --> 01:18:28.680
 then add just for a starting point three, uh, you know, kind of ad hoc, uh, members

01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:33.200
 of the community that don't have, you know, that they could be jazz drummers or, you know,

01:18:33.200 --> 01:18:41.360
 anything. I don't know. Some of us are going to have to think hard about which jazz drummer

01:18:41.360 --> 01:18:47.640
 we know around town. Um, I'm fine. I think three is a good number of at large, non non

01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:54.480
 pigeonhole kind of folks. And we, we may use some of our ad hoc people in some of those

01:18:54.480 --> 01:19:00.200
 expertise roles. We'll just have to see how the appointments go. Sure. We'll put, we'll

01:19:00.200 --> 01:19:05.640
 put a proposal together and bring it to council. Thank you, Mario. And I know that, um, just

01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:10.520
 so that council's aware that the charge of this implementation committee and this advisory

01:19:10.520 --> 01:19:16.280
 committee is to, to look at this plan and create the action plan so that, um, we're

01:19:16.280 --> 01:19:21.080
 not, when they're up there, we're not trying to give them more, you know, jobs to do or

01:19:21.080 --> 01:19:29.040
 take away jobs that they're supposed to do. Um, just so that it's clear. Yes, ma'am. Thank

01:19:29.040 --> 01:19:36.960
 you. All right. Are y'all okay with that? Having a kind of an action for the committee.

01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:46.560
 Okay. All right. Well, I guess that will finish that item up unless anybody has any more,

01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:53.760
 you know, questions on that. Are we good to, to move on? So our next item is C city deputy

01:19:53.760 --> 01:20:00.160
 city manager update and the matrix. Yes. Well, uh, it's been several months since the committee

01:20:00.160 --> 01:20:05.480
 has met, obviously. I think the last time was in January, uh, timeframe, maybe February,

01:20:05.480 --> 01:20:12.520
 I guess it's based on the minutes. Uh, so, uh, we have a few items here. Um, item number

01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:17.320
 one, as, as we mentioned, that will be part of that solid waste strategy. So as Mr. Burner

01:20:17.320 --> 01:20:21.920
 said that we've been being brought forward to council to award the contract to the consultant

01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:29.960
 here in an upcoming meeting, uh, believe it's in early August. Um, the implementation committee,

01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:34.840
 as we mentioned, uh, we'll be bringing that forward to council here, uh, near, uh, soon

01:20:34.840 --> 01:20:41.400
 based on our most recent discussion. And, uh, based on the information here on my chart,

01:20:41.400 --> 01:20:48.200
 uh, DME will be bringing forward the soul smart designation information in August. So,

01:20:48.200 --> 01:20:55.880
 uh, Catherine, you said that they do nothing. The committee does not meet in July normally.

01:20:55.880 --> 01:21:01.760
 So your next meeting would be in August and, and, and, you know, we can work with, with

01:21:01.760 --> 01:21:06.200
 Kim Macon to make sure, um, when do you all want to meet? Cause typically in the, in the

01:21:06.200 --> 01:21:12.680
 past you've met the first Monday of the month. Um, but if we need to continue that or if

01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:18.920
 we need to pick another date, that's certainly up to the committee's discretion. Okay. Does

01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:27.520
 anyone have any, uh, closing concluding items? No. Um, I just, I have a question. I know

01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:32.880
 that before, or the last time we met or the time before that we were talking about, uh,

01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:39.280
 carbon reduction and we had a presentation on it. And so I wasn't sure if that was going

01:21:39.280 --> 01:21:46.520
 to come back to this committee at some point for more discussion or if that is, um, in,

01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:54.200
 in another category right now. This is James Douglas. I can take that one. Um, so we are

01:21:54.200 --> 01:22:01.000
 currently working with ICLE. Um, we've got all of our data in, um, for the portfolios

01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:07.040
 that were, uh, asked to be created to meet the, uh, different targets so that we can

01:22:07.040 --> 01:22:13.800
 kind of get a better idea of what strategies we would need to meet those. And so, um, about

01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:18.560
 last month, all of that data is in and those portfolios are currently being developed.

01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:22.360
 And so I would say by the August or September meeting, we would be good to have an update

01:22:22.360 --> 01:22:30.560
 on that. Okay. Thank you. Um, okay. So, and I, I guess that doesn't need to be added to

01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:37.240
 the matrix since that's already coming back to us. Um, so, all right, well, I appreciate

01:22:37.240 --> 01:22:43.120
 everyone joining us today and for the conversation and all of those, all of the participants

01:22:43.120 --> 01:22:51.640
 on that I, that I can't see. Thank you for being here and we will adjourn at 11 23 AM.

01:22:51.640 --> 01:22:54.560
 Thank you very much. Thank you all. Thank you. Bye bye.