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 Good morning. Welcome everyone to our Committee on the Environment. It is 10 o'clock and we

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 do have a quorum present. We are participating regular meeting via video and teleconference

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 and we will begin our first item for individual consideration. A, consider approval of the

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 minutes of February 3rd, 2020. Yes. Councilmember Muthler. I move approval. Second. All right.

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 So all in favor say aye. Aye. All right. And we will go right on down to our next item

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 B, receive a report, hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding update of the

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 2012 Sustainability Plan. Okay. Can you hear me? New at this? All right. So we'll just

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 jump right in. The Sustainability Plan update. We're bringing it back to you today as requested

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 at the June 6th council meeting. We have our timeline, the plan overview and then some

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 of the questions and comments that were forwarded to the staff and then we'll be seeking your

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 direction today. So just a little bit about the plan update. The plan is designed as a

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 framework to guide sustainability through the next five years, provide guidance and

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 direction. It's a guidance document and not an action plan and I think that's what's most

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 important to distinguish today. We set out to update the existing sustainability plan

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 with internal stakeholder and community feedback and we were updating the goals and strategies

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 and then we were going to move forward for council consideration and adoption and then

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 develop an implementation action plan. So just a quick look at our timeline. Beginning

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 back in 2017, we met with the COE about updating the plan. We held some internal stakeholder

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 meetings in 2017. In 2018, we moved into community feedback, presenting that to the COE and discussing

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 how that feedback was going to be incorporated into the document. We met several times about

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 the update. Then we moved into 2019. We had some changes that impacted the plan for the

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 star communities and the USGBC transition to lead. So that held us up a little bit.

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 We moved into 2019, reviewed the goals, strategies and the additional considerations that we

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 were going to put forward in the full draft back in September. In November, we did bring

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 that forward with the full draft of the plan for review. We had some questions and clarifications

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 that we brought back in January of 2020 and at that time, we were directed to take the

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 plan to the full council and we also have the advisory committee as a separate item

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 to consider adoption of the advisory committee along with the plan. And then we went to council

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 in June and we had some additional questions. So we're back today to address those.

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 Just a little bit, we had some questions about stakeholder engagement. So we had two surveys,

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 two online surveys where we received 551 responses. We had three public meetings with 33 participants.

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 The feedback was summarized and presented to COE in June of 2018. That was where, again,

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 we outlined how the community feedback would be incorporated into the plan.

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 So just brief overview, broad goals and strategies, set the next steps for developing new plans

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 and programs, advancing sustainability in the city of Denton. A couple of the big items

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 that would come out of the update would be setting the greenhouse gas reduction target

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 and then fully developing action plans to meet the target. And the community resilience

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 planning. So the community resilience plan is kind of an all-encompassing plan and it

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 rolls up a lot of the different focus areas and allows us to have that full plan and actions

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 to implement that. And both of those would be created with future community engagement.

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 Just a quick side-by-side comparison, we still had the eight focus areas. We did expand focus

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 area eight in the 2020 plan. We added ten new goals, six new strategies, and six new

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 KPIs in the 2020. So next steps, just have a conversation today and see what we need

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 to do to move forward and what the direction is if we need to do additional community engagement,

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 have additional questions answered. We're here to answer whatever we need to today and

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 All right. Thank you. Go ahead, Councilmember Meltzer.

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 So before getting into the line item level, my thinking has evolved on the macro process

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 on a couple of points. One is that it was lost on me that the action plan was something

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 different than the simply sustainable plan. So I hear that, but a lot of my discomfort

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 is the sort of lack of specificity. And I think that that's what I'm seeing reflected

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 back from public comment as well. And I think that's not really a helpful distinction. I

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 think putting it out, I guess I would call it something different, like some notes. If

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 it's not actually the plan, I don't think it's that helpful, honestly, to share. I think

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 we should get it more fleshed out so people see direction. So that's one. Second is on

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 how to get to that result. My thinking has changed in terms of the role of sustainability

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 committee that was brought momentarily to council. Rather than have them jump in after

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 the development of the plan to help instantiate it, I think we do a better job as a body and

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 as a community if we form that group and had them integrally involved in creating the plan,

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 creating the action plan. So those are my two main points I'd be very interested to

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 hear. Reaction and what my fellow committee members feel.

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 >> Councilmember Davis? >> Sure. Well, I think I agree in part and

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 disagree in part. I thought it was clarifying for me, I mean, staff just had it in the presentation,

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 to hear it previous to this as well. The role of this plan, it's kind of like the citywide

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 comprehensive plan. You have your big 50,000 foot goals in the big plan and then each one

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 of these things, I mean, just look at the feedback that we got on each one of these

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 points. You could spend one that we get all the time that we get repeatedly is where's

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 our climate action plan? Where's our climate action plan? Well, that doesn't function as

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 well at the 50,000 foot level. The climate action plan has to be very granular and very

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 specific and so it fills a different role. I think in the ecosystem of action plans and

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 strategic plans and comprehensive plans, I think this one fills its intended niche well.

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 It sets big 50,000 foot goals and then we have to go department by department. We go

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 to solid waste and we have a solid waste plan and it may hit three, four of the different

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 focus areas, but I think that's by design and then we have, you can think of more examples,

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 department by department, what each part of the city needs to do to fulfill the overall

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 big plan. I think that also relieves some of the pressure that we get in some of the

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 feedback for where's the specificity? Well, the specificity comes at those granular levels.

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 What is each department doing? I know that there are some folks in the community who

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 see that as kind of passing the buck. Well, here's the big plan. When you're going to

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 get to the real plan, when's the real action going to happen? Well, I think in an organization

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 our size and the duties that we have, the stewardship duties we have to the taxpayers

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 and rate payers, I think that's how it works is you start 50,000 foot and you have to work

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 your way down. I understand the frustration, but I think this plan fulfills the role it's

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 intended for pretty well. Now, does that mean that we can't do a better job of keeping the

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 gas on and maybe gas is a bad, you know, keeping our foot on the accelerator? Sure, we can

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 do a better job of that and council can do a better job of making sure that we're pushing

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 forward. And so that's why I agree to the second part of what you said, Paul. I think

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 that a community committee would do a better job of putting together the, sorry, my office

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 specific action plans. The same folks that we would expect to have a lot of really good

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 input, if we were to sit in our offices and put it together ourselves, those same folks

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 would be the ones that we would expect to serve on a committee. And I think they would

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 do, like you said, a better job of getting the whole thing together with the kind of

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 action plan the community would want to see. I think it's got to be grassroots in the way

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 Yeah, yes, I would agree with both of you on that the advisory, the sustainability advisory

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 committee is vital in this process. And to hear that this is a guiding document, not

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 an action plan, it helps alleviate some of the, like the other council member said, uncomfortableness

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 with not any specific metrics and specific goals. There's a high level, but I also think

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 that they go hand in hand and they should be looked at and worked together. Because

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 if we approve this plan, and the committee that's established, hopefully goes back and

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 has something to add, is it a working document? Can they add things? Can they change things?

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 Or is it just council approve this? This is all that you can talk about and measure for

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 this implementation plan. I think that's something we need to make sure of before going forward.

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 And also, yesterday we had, Jesse and I were on the Economic Development Partnership Board,

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 and we had an update from our TIFF strategies. And one of the main goals, sustainability,

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 was a strategic growth portion for our community. And so not only does this plan impact our

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 climate, our health, it's also going to be used for economic development within the city.

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 So it's going to touch every single department. Many people need to weigh in. And it's kind

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 of like when we talk about, Councilmember Davis, you said, you know, each department,

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 do we have this plan? And then the departments do their information and their goals off of

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 this plan? Or is it, do we look at what they're doing and kind of implement it here? It's,

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 you know, which one do we want to be the main guiding document for every department? And

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 will they be able to implement the kind of things that the committee wants them to, is

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 the main question. And Mario, if you could just weigh in. I know that I asked about the

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 committee recently, and you sent some information about that establishment. Could you just update

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 us on where that stands in the process, please? For the committee itself, as far as the establishment

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 of it? Yes. So it'd be the advisory committee. Correct. Sure. Well, we were really just waiting

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 for Council to adopt the plan, as Catherine mentioned earlier this month. And we would

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 have been able to work with the city secretary's office to go ahead and, again, part of that

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 is making sure that we understand what the scope of the committee is so that we can go

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 ahead and start, staff can begin advertising for the committee itself, is the number of

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 candidates or not candidates, but the size of the committee. Is it one person per council

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 member? How do you all want to establish it? And so then we can just work with the city

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 secretary's office to get the process out. I mean, we're about to go through the committee

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 agenda recruitment process anyway here this summer, so it could fall right in line with

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 that. Councilor Metzler? You're on mute. Well, it probably sounded more intelligent, but

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 let me say a couple of things. One is I'm hearing sort of the consensus, but I would

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 say then let's call this then simply sustainable plan goals and strategies draft, because it's

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 not the plan. If you call it the plan, that flies in the face of what plans are. So I'm

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 fine with this concept, but if it's misleading or doesn't communicate clearly to me, as well

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 as to members of the public, I mean, why call it something that's going to create this confusion?

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 So why not just call it even simply sustainable, leave the word plan out at this point. It's

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 a plan once you have a plan. So simply sustainable goals and strategies draft, then that simple

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 change I think would help a lot. Secondly, question on the composition of the committee.

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 I think something worth discussing is, is it just, we're going to have X number of people

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 and everybody appoints one, or as in some committees, should we define certain areas

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 of expertise that we want represented on that committee? And maybe everybody can nominate,

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 but that we're specifically looking for expertise in some areas. I'm interested in reactions

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 on that. And I lean toward that. I'm not sure I know what the answer is, but what they would

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 be like, I think that's worth talking about. Well, if I could just interject here, I would

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 think that each goal or would have someone specifically tied to it. Or, you know, and

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 then just another person, I don't know that seven members are going to be enough for this

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 to certain goals, renewable energy, you know, solid waste or recycling, that type of thing.

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 that just a seven member committee. Oh, sorry, Mario. Oh, no, go ahead. Go ahead, please

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 So, yeah, again, that that's all I just I'm not sure that with a plan or an attended plan,

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 this big seven members would would be enough. But that's just my opinion. Councilmember

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 we should even discuss here before it goes to council or just? Well, I think if we've

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 did the committee talk about? So I know I agree with that. I hadn't really thought about

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 that at all. But I think that's a good approach. You know, that we have kind of representatives

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 the definitive list of all the different areas we need represented by like the focus areas

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 the focus areas and then some couple three at large kind of kind of folks that may not

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 either fit into one of those areas or they just may represent something else entirely.

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 It's not one of the focus areas. So I think as a as a rough draft, I think I like that.

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 You know, I'd love to see us get deeper into the expertise in the university communities

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 than we ordinarily do in drawing on citizens. I think if they get a really media assignment

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 like this, you know, we may may do better at attracting that kind of talent. Mario, go

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 have just the title of the document? Well, that's one of the concerns I have, because

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 it because I mean, you know, it led to a different expectation for me. And and I know it did

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 for others, too. So I think we should do these. Do you think that, you know, beyond the title

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 that that that major document and then things from there are delineated from those from

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 those those those key areas, key focus areas. You know, certainly, we can look at beefing

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 able to give more better description of what this what this document is because. OK, sorry

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 to jump on. Oh, no, it's just because if someone just sees the title and then just brushes

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 it off, oh, it's just it doesn't mean anything. Well, there's more to it than just a title.

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 It just goes into the sort of narrative, the preamble, per se, of the document, the introduction.

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 OK, so I'll say a couple of things about that. One is that for sure, in the opening description,

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 it should say this isn't the plan. This is the over, you know, a draft of the overarching

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 goals and strategies that together with an action plan will create the plan. But, you

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 long years, a plan is something that has actions and dates. You know, that's what a plan is.

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 the title. You know, it's this is the goals and strategies document that will be paired

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 with an action plan. Say that. And for the title, I'm fine with simply sustainable goals

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 and strategies and probably keep the draft watermark that goes to the committee. So they

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 know as you know, as member Briggs, what do we say, Chair Briggs in the Senate, as she

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 suggested that they should feel, you know, the liberty to suggest changes back into this

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 I think there needs to be some council direction, whether it's a resolution ordinance, something

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 it gets it gets it morphs and evolves over time. No, no disagreement. And you could have

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 a resolution of support for the simply sustainable goals and strategies. Which and have it be

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 clear goals and strategies are not tactics, you know, calendar.

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 has no goals and that is going to just be sitting somewhere, you know, without without

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 I agree with I think most of what's been said. I agree with Councilmember Meltzer that semantics

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 shortly that that's why I made that suggestion. But yeah, I'm not coming up on it. But yeah,

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 I will continue to strongly object if it has the word plan in it.

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 of brownfields. We don't say how much we want to fill in by when. Maybe that's action

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 that would be further developed and implemented into the plan, written into it. So this plan

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 see that these things are important at this. I mean, I'm just, I can see it going either

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 and they're reviewing the document, their proposals now. So let me Brian burners on

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 the phone, on the line, he can kind of chime in if he's available, um, to kind of give

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 a quick status on that, on that, on that process. Thank you. Ms. Briggs, uh, and the members

401
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 of the committee, Brian burner, solid waste director with the city of Denton. I do appreciate

402
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,800
 the opportunity to talk a little bit about our strategy and the process that we're going

403
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 through. Uh, as, as, uh, Ms. Barnett said, we are, um, in the process of actually evaluating,

404
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:46,240
 uh, that the four submittals that we have received for consultants to come in and complete

405
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:53,640
 the strategy, uh, now that we have, uh, resuscitated or resurrected it, uh, after the COVID, uh,

406
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:59,120
 financial scare that, that we had, uh, we do anticipate here with probably, uh, either

407
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,200
 very late July or first part of August, uh, bringing that before the council to award

408
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 and start the process, uh, with regard to, you know, which comes first, the chicken or

409
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:14,520
 the egg. I think part of what will come out of this strategy is the tools we need to actually

410
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:20,720
 set development, uh, uh, diversion goals. One of the big problems that we have right

411
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 now is, uh, we've got a very, very bad market that's out, uh, for the sale of recycled materials.

412
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 There are certain, uh, constraints, uh, that are, that are put on cities, uh, related to,

413
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 uh, state and federal laws. Probably the biggest one, uh, is, you know, the bag ban, uh, city

414
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:43,440
 of Laredo, uh, wanted to put a plastic bag banning in place. And, you know, basically

415
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 that's against state law. Cities can't do that. So what, what are the hindrances that,

416
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 that are in place? And as a result of this evaluation, what we'll be able to do is step

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00:46:52,440 --> 00:47:00,880
 into this wide open. And as, as the, as part of our process, uh, create, uh, uh, achievable

418
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:07,840
 goals, uh, based on the, uh, the information that we have, uh, but also it will help us

419
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,640
 strategize how we want, how we move to that next level. If we're not happy with the goals,

420
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:19,520
 uh, given the constraints we were presented with, what steps will we as a city need to

421
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 take to help sort of clear the path to get to that next level of diversion recycling

422
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,520
 that we need to be? So again, this is, this, this is something that's a little bit innovative.

423
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,640
 It's not a management plan. Uh, it's a strategy that helps us, that looks at, at everything

424
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:42,640
 from a 360 degree angle, uh, uh, impacts and, and, and processes, uh, and allows us to go,

425
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,320
 uh, through the rest of this century, uh, with, with a, a, a clear understanding of,

426
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 of how we, we meet those goals and, and what are the, the, the hindrances that, that are

427
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:59,000
 in our way, uh, so that we can maximize the, the, uh, commitment that we have to the residents

428
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 and the businesses, uh, while retaining and obtaining the lowest possible price for those

429
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 goals.

430
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:16,240
 Okay. Thank you. Sorry. Go, go ahead. Yeah. I think it would be, uh, not just superficial,

431
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:23,480
 uh, but kind of superficial to, to just indicate, since this is a draft, um, you know, mobility

432
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:31,620
 plan goals will go here. Solid waste strategy, you know, goals will go here just to at least

433
00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:37,980
 reflect the intentionality for this all to get knit together. And, uh, you know, if some

434
00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:42,240
 of us aren't sitting here, you know, in six months and they're still looking at this,

435
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:47,000
 uh, they can go, Oh, okay. We're supposed to be knitting all these things together. You

436
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,840
 know, it won't be dependent on anyone's memory that that really is our intention. Uh, so

437
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:57,440
 I, I, I suggest doing that. And that would be pretty simple to do that just to be able

438
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:04,640
 to rope in and, and, and, and, and add in the, the various, um, strategies and plans

439
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:09,800
 that the city's working on mobility plan, the, the solid waste strategy plan and development

440
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:15,560
 code forestry plan, you know, tree mitigation, all those things we can certainly call out

441
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:20,360
 into the document. You know, reflective, you know, sort of a, a really more comprehensive

442
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:26,560
 vision, you know, even though it's just a little superficial thing. One of the things

443
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:32,440
 I'd like to just make a comment on after hearing, um, Brian speak and thank you for that update.

444
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,560
 I'm glad to see it's going to be moving forward and, and not, um, put on the back burner for

445
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:42,640
 now because it's really important, um, that we have in this, we have goals for like next

446
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:49,880
 year or, or the next year. But if, if the, um, advisory committee could look at the implementation

447
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,960
 of these goals and what that looks like, you know, 10 years away and how that's going to

448
00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:01,120
 affect us if these are implemented, I think that that's critical. Um, not, not just that

449
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,640
 we meet this goal next year, but if we meet it for two years, what difference is that

450
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:12,400
 going to make, you know, 10 years down the road? Um, so that's, uh, for, for me, that

451
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:18,920
 would be, you know, pretty important on the implementation plan to, to see that, you know,

452
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,280
 that's a very important framing thought is what is the time horizon, the intended time

453
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:29,040
 horizon of this document, right? If, if, if, if, if we are explicit that this is a 10 year

454
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:35,080
 vision that leads you different directions than if this whole thing is a two year vision.

455
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:40,120
 Council Member Davis, do you have any comments on what you've heard?

456
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:46,440
 Sure. I was going to kind of let us work through Paul's list, but, um, I had some of the same

457
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:52,800
 things, not all of them. Um, the, I think what we've just touched on, um, brings in

458
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,840
 a lot of my, my comments, the references to other plans. You know, for instance, the first,

459
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 the first minutes I had was on the tree canopy percentage. Um, I think we use on page five,

460
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:09,000
 I think we use an old, old number and we've got a better number now from our urban forestry

461
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:14,560
 plan. Um, and I just pulled that as, as an example of, uh, a place where we can, we can

462
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:19,040
 mesh these things together a little bit better with some references. Um, you know, in the,

463
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,160
 the web version, we can have them hyperlinked even that, uh, you know, you can hyperlink

464
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:28,680
 in a PDF to, to the other plans. So all you have to do is click over to the other plan.

465
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,640
 They're all going to look different because they're all different consultants, right?

466
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:37,160
 But they're going to be basically one part of one ecosystem of plans. Um, I also had

467
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:43,440
 Council Member Meltzer's note, uh, myself on the 100% renewable goal. Um, I don't know

468
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,960
 the absolute best way to update that. I think, I think he's correct in that that's no longer

469
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:55,280
 the goal. That's the achievement. We've done it. Um, we can either move up, uh, like the

470
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 consider other goals, the other things to consider. Number one has to do with on-site

471
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 generation and some of the things that we've been talking about on council. And it's broadly,

472
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,320
 maybe too broadly, but it's broadly talking about other renewable opportunities. So maybe

473
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 we promote that one. It's on the bottom of page 20, I think. Uh, maybe we promote that

474
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:21,240
 to a full, a full status goal and not an alternative goal because we're already having those conversations.

475
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:25,640
 If we did that, I'd probably prefer, it's just me personally, I'd probably prefer to

476
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:32,120
 leave, uh, methane out of it, just using the word methane because, um, that's a kind of

477
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,560
 an ongoing policy choice that council is going to have to make based on some fiscal concerns.

478
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:42,200
 So if we just said alternative fuels and on-site generation, that kind of stuff that leaves

479
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:47,400
 us, leaves us open to have those conversations depending on what we, what we decide to do

480
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:54,320
 and that those decisions may be made, you know, while this plan's under consideration. Um,

481
00:52:54,320 --> 00:53:00,760
 I like again, broadly under the heading of making references to other plans, I think,

482
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,000
 uh, Paul's right about the 10 minute walk. Um, that's one of our big guiding principles

483
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:11,940
 in open space. So it'd be good to reference that. Um, and let me see if I can understand

484
00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:19,920
 my note here. Um, page 32, hold on, let me, let me check the document and see what I had

485
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:28,360
 to say about page 32. I know it looks like I'm staring right at you, but that's because

486
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:39,240
 the document's on my screen. I'm not like, um, oh, I think, um, yeah, Paul, you mentioned

487
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:44,320
 this one. Um, the sustainable businesses that we, you know, we, we don't need to say implement

488
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:49,680
 the program anymore. We need to say, uh, you know, grow or expand or, and set ourselves

489
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:55,840
 a new, a new goal. If we have 10, uh, I don't recall if we have 10 and let's set ourselves

490
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:01,160
 a new goal, you know, 15 or 20. If we, if we don't, then let's change it from implement

491
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:08,240
 to expand and then keep the 10 or 15 as the goal. Um, and then I agree. I hadn't thought

492
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:13,560
 about chapter eight's title, but I agree there. Maybe just resilience is the best, best title.

493
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:20,240
 I understand how, um, each of those things in that chapter can also tie to overall public

494
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:26,160
 health. Um, but I think, I think I prefer just resilience as the title of that chapter

495
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:33,480
 or something, something like that. Everything else that I've got down here, I think, um,

496
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,800
 ties to what we've already talked about something, something else we've already hit on in one

497
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 way or another. So those are, those are my notes.

498
00:54:41,140 --> 00:54:51,280
 Uh, go ahead. Yeah, kill. You may have, you know, your own list of, uh, in sort of individual

499
00:54:51,280 --> 00:55:00,840
 points as well. Uh, but if not, or after that would the committee be open to just looking

500
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:08,000
 at each of those groups of additional strategies for consideration and at least, uh, you know,

501
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:16,520
 evaluating interest level, you know, so we've added something to the fact that that's been

502
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,240
 presented to us. And I, I mean, I haven't really given them deep thought, you know,

503
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:24,880
 either because it's like, okay, it's just part of the plan, but I think giving them

504
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:34,000
 some consideration would be appropriate. Yeah. My, uh, my comments were, were all, were sent

505
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:44,400
 in and, um, great creating green infrastructure, universal recycling ordinance, um, waste diversion.

506
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:51,320
 Um, and then a lot about, there was several comments about, you know, solid waste, um,

507
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:57,120
 zero waste, also melding the plans together. I think we've, we've touched on, on a lot

508
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:06,000
 of it, um, land use canopy goals. Um, I want to make sure that, you know, food deserts

509
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:12,880
 are, are addressed in our area. We talk about food. Um, that's a, that's a big deal for

510
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:19,920
 some of our communities. And again, I'm just, I think that this may be, um, a discussion

511
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:27,640
 that the, the committee can have as well. The, the advisory committee on implementation

512
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:36,140
 of these and where those, where those are and how we should address that. And, and also

513
00:56:36,140 --> 00:56:43,160
 just one comment on the green business program. I am, I'm very excited that that is, um, established

514
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:50,220
 and I know that this committee, you know, waited on that and started here and, um, it's

515
00:56:50,220 --> 00:56:55,960
 grown and I would love for it to keep growing. And I think there's other ways and programs

516
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:02,840
 that I've messaged Catherine about the compost, um, program and individual businesses getting

517
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:08,160
 points for, you know, participating in other programs. So not just growing it, but adding

518
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:13,240
 different programs that the businesses can participate in. I think is something that

519
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:25,040
 the advisory committee can discuss as well.

520
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,640
 I don't know if JT may want to weigh in on the green business program. We're going through

521
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,920
 the evaluation now after we finished the first year of it.

522
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:39,720
 And a big thank you to JT for managing that and handling all that. It's a, it's a big

523
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:46,740
 deal. So thank you.

524
00:57:46,740 --> 00:57:54,600
 Does he want to, does he want to comment?

525
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,880
 Yeah, I'm trying to get the microphone working. Am I good?

526
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:58,880
 You're good now.

527
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:04,600
 Thank you. So we did finish the first year of the program. And so some of the feedback

528
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:12,460
 that we got was basically to shift the program to a more open-ended approach for those people

529
00:58:12,460 --> 00:58:17,520
 that are in the program. And so the businesses that we do have so far are doing some really

530
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:23,820
 awesome things. And the evaluation form that we sent out was kind of in line with the sustainability

531
00:58:23,820 --> 00:58:29,160
 plan in terms of those major overarching areas. But to be honest, some of the businesses are

532
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:34,260
 doing some amazing things that are specific to their industry that we wouldn't have thought

533
00:58:34,260 --> 00:58:38,420
 of to put in there. And so I think that we're going to switch to a more open-ended approach

534
00:58:38,420 --> 00:58:43,880
 and really let those, those leaders take the lead on those different items and share with

535
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:48,320
 other businesses what they're doing. And so that's kind of the direction that we're headed

536
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,600
 and we'll bring updates on that soon.

537
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:58,760
 That sounds like a strategy, you know, just sharing best practices from green business

538
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,240
 participants.

539
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:10,760
 And is there a list handy where of our green business participants that are in the program

540
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:16,440
 on our website?

541
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:21,540
 We have that list internally. There's currently not a list on the website, but we can definitely

542
00:59:21,540 --> 00:59:23,840
 have that discussion about adding that.

543
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:30,480
 I mean, if it was okay with the businesses, I think that would be, you know, a pretty

544
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:36,900
 cool thing to do so that people can find out who's participating and it may spur others

545
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:40,800
 to want to try the same.

546
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:45,720
 But we're off topic a little bit here. So sorry about that. Thank you. I think there's

547
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:53,940
 a lot to discuss within all of these, these categories.

548
00:59:53,940 --> 01:00:00,960
 I'm sorry. One other comment that I had was about, and I'm not sure which, which goal

549
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:08,960
 it's under, but it would be, it would probably be where the codes come in and parking and

550
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:16,160
 concrete and removing that and, you know, allowing, you know, less parking and more

551
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:21,420
 green space flexibility. And so again, that's, you know, two different departments coming

552
01:00:21,420 --> 01:00:31,600
 in and that would be, I think a council planning type decision as well. So having someone sitting

553
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:36,680
 in the advisory committee from the planning department would, would be a recommendation

554
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:43,880
 of mine. Absolutely. And then they're also in our internal team, our internal stakeholder

555
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:50,560
 team. So we're introducing, we introduced to resiliency in November. And so getting

556
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:57,480
 everyone thinking about co-benefits of programs and how, you know, if you have a drainage

557
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:03,320
 channel that's natural and then you bring trees in, what does that do for air quality?

558
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:07,640
 So trying to look at everybody whenever they're planning, thinking about the co-benefits of

559
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:12,360
 the project. And that's what the sustainability plan really is. It's everybody meshing together

560
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:18,200
 and trying to have a more sustainable community. Walking through some of council member Meltzer's

561
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:25,600
 questions, I think that you're referring to the fleet goal of the 25% reduction in fuels

562
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:32,720
 usage by 2025. Catherine, I'm sorry. Paul, could you, could you hit mute? We're getting

563
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:45,560
 some feedback. Just to make sure. Thank you. Here we go. So the 25% reduction in fuel usage

564
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:55,080
 by 2025 was a fleet management strategy that they said as they have adopted new versions

565
01:01:55,080 --> 01:02:03,600
 of the COG clean fleet policy and they're working towards a greener fleet, a right sized

566
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:09,160
 fleet. So, so that was something that was set by that department. And that's going to

567
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:16,160
 be ongoing. They're, they're going to be continually reviewing opportunities to green our fleet,

568
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:24,820
 reduce fossil fuel usage. And I think they're being pretty aggressive now. And, and 2012,

569
01:02:24,820 --> 01:02:29,240
 those were some things that we, we didn't ever, you know, contemplate. We would be where

570
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:35,920
 we are now. So I would just say that, you know, I'm sure everybody's like kind of always

571
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:41,120
 working on improving and doing better. But the point of doing an exercise like this is

572
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:47,000
 to sort of set the big goals to guide, you know, where are they trying to get to? So

573
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:55,160
 I'm not saying I have an answer to this, but, you know, if, if we say this is a five year

574
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:59,560
 outlook or a 10 year outlook, and, you know, then we know what we're trying to get to by

575
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:05,480
 then, you know, that would indicate that would kind of give a signal to them about how aggressive

576
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:09,480
 they should be to, to hit that, you know, I mean, I know everybody will keep trying

577
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:16,160
 to improve, but how much? Well, and I think that whenever we have the discussion about

578
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:22,360
 the greenhouse gas target setting and we decide, are we going to look at that 50% or are we

579
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:28,120
 going to look at the 80% that will help us create the scenarios that we need and those

580
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:34,240
 hard targets to meet those goals. You know, we, we may be looking at electrification of

581
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:39,360
 homes. So, so that's going to increase the amount of power that we need, renewable power

582
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:45,680
 that we need to stay at that rate. You know, we may need to look at a much more aggressive

583
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:52,160
 fuel goal. If we set an 80% target reduction for greenhouse gas, I think you're illustrating

584
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:57,800
 the point perfectly why, you know, those sort of challenging metrics ultimately need to

585
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:03,680
 be part of the, what ultimately gets called the plan. Well, and we have to have the policy

586
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:12,240
 direction set so that we can incorporate them into the plan. It's, you know, once we set

587
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:20,760
 a target, then we can go back and build that. Moving on. So the energy, the 100% was just

588
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:33,920
 maintaining was our thought and we can, sorry. Okay. That's okay. Keep going. Okay. Sorry.

589
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:41,960
 Maintaining that 100% as we grow. So, but we can, we can wordsmith that and make sure

590
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:48,680
 that we're capturing that. The land use, the 10 minute walk was the proximity to parks

591
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:53,520
 was in the additional strategies. I think we can be more overt about the 10 minute walk

592
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:59,320
 and include that. Incorporating the plans that have been adopted since this was brought

593
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:05,840
 to you in 2019, we can do that. We can, I like the idea of hyperlinking those. That

594
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:13,680
 would be awesome. Gas wells is just so that doesn't fall off our radar. We don't ever,

595
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:18,480
 I mean, if we have an opportunity to do more about gas wells, we want to have the framework

596
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:25,120
 there to do that. If I can interject, I know we have an item that was supposed to have

597
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:33,840
 come before council, but we ran out of time. That includes proposals to encourage plugging

598
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:40,480
 of wells through, you know, possible incentives. I mean, it's not baked yet nor has direction

599
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:45,480
 been given, but that might be something that would plug into that place if that does get

600
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:55,360
 approved. That's a great idea. The Clear Creek master

601
01:05:55,360 --> 01:06:05,720
 plan implementation. Clear Creek's been so flooded since 2015. It's a shame. We actually

602
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:11,760
 may get the logjam removed south of 380 this year and then the water will drain and we'll

603
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:21,000
 see where we stand. But until that's gone, unfortunately that area north of 380 has just

604
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:25,800
 suffered greatly. The Green Belt and Clear Creek.

605
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:38,800
 Oh, Keely, you're muted. I saw that the logjam was going to get cleared or was proposed to

606
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:45,320
 get cleared and I'm pretty excited about that. So that would help. And you mentioned the

607
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:51,880
 Clear Creek plan and that was in one of my questions to ask you. Is that something that

608
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:56,520
 needs to be updated or is it still just, we're still working on it?

609
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:03,240
 It is still valid. We've worked on the education components of it, just not the construction.

610
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:10,280
 Funding for construction and some of the areas that we wanted to do improvements, they've

611
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:16,720
 just been flooded. And since 2015, I never imagined after years of drought that we would

612
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:22,760
 go through and have this much water. Go ahead, Councilmember Meltzer.

613
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:28,600
 You know, should that, I mean, the fact that that's been the case for five years is, you

614
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:38,120
 know, horrible, obviously, but is that something that's just purely, you know, nature or is

615
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:44,600
 that something we failed to do in terms of acting? You know, when you, if, cause if it's

616
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:51,760
 the latter, then, you know, over five years, a plan ought to have focused our attention

617
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:58,080
 back on it, you know, so that we're forced to act.

618
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:09,920
 I would say that nature has not been our friend. After the years of drought followed by two

619
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:15,400
 out of four years of the highest rainfall we've ever seen since we've had that lease,

620
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:20,800
 did create a lot of erosion. A lot of trees went into Elm Fork and Clear Creek and that

621
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:28,080
 just completely silted up and created log jams south of 380. We have been trying to

622
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:33,680
 get the Corps to do something about that for years and lobbying them. It's finally reached

623
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:39,960
 a point where TxDOT's concerned about 380. So TxDOT is going to go in and work on it.

624
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:49,080
 But I think should, should sort of persisting in that effort be part of our plan? Maybe

625
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:54,720
 that's action plan, you know, to ensure it doesn't happen in the future after we get

626
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,160
 it cleaned up. Well, you know, get it cleaned up and ensure

627
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:02,840
 it doesn't happen. And then, I don't know, something bigger and more inspiring beyond

628
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:09,920
 that. I have one last question about this because

629
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:17,080
 we talk about implementation and, and how it costs money. Once we have an implementation

630
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:23,200
 plan or the goals and strategies to go along with it, does that increase our ability to

631
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:32,160
 apply for grants to, to get some of these things done if we have a specific goal tied?

632
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:42,360
 We could, I could see where transportation funding, we might be able to apply for more

633
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:53,700
 care. I'm looking at JT to see if he has any ideas about anything specific.

634
01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:59,400
 You know, this plan, I think as far as funding, this plan was developed in house. You know,

635
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:05,120
 we didn't have a consultant to help update this plan at all. The original plan was developed

636
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:14,640
 with a grant from Department of Energy in 2012. So, you know, if, if funding becomes

637
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,720
 available through the federal government, again, through Department of Energy, I think

638
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,840
 we could jump on that. Yeah, and I don't, I don't think that we need

639
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:29,440
 a consultant. I think that this in-house and the committee and the plan, what we've talked

640
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:35,440
 about is enough. I just mean actionable goals. Like when I see, you know, certain federal

641
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:39,160
 grants for, you know, certain solid waste programs. And for me, it just seems like if

642
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:46,920
 we have a goal or something attached to it, it would help us know when to apply for certain,

643
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:52,800
 for certain grants. I see that as, as a benefit for this.

644
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:58,640
 The solid waste side, the TURP funding through the state, the VW funding, I think those would

645
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:03,440
 all be great opportunities. Okay. Thank you. Does anybody else have anything

646
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:15,320
 on this item? And I want to make sure that you guys have what you need for next steps.

647
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:23,800
 I'm still muted. Would you like to at least look at the different patches of additional

648
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:31,760
 strategies and say, we're definitely not interested or you're definitely interested?

649
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:38,560
 Who, who are you asking council member? There's, there's, there's little patches throughout

650
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:44,480
 that say additional strategies for consideration, which to me suggests, you know, that we ought

651
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:51,040
 to at least cursorily consider them, you know, and give some kind of, some kind of feedback.

652
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:58,960
 I mean, if nobody else wants to do it, that's, that's okay. But that's my question.

653
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:06,720
 Go ahead. Council member Davis. You know, I think I've been, since you brought

654
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,280
 them up, I was a little bit curious about them also. And I've been trying to, trying

655
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:14,960
 to think through what the best way to manage those are. I understand their purpose and

656
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:23,460
 why they're there. I don't know. I don't know if it'd be best use for time today to kind

657
01:12:23,460 --> 01:12:30,040
 of go through and see which ones we promote, you know, individual chapter by chapter. But

658
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:35,160
 I think that could be a good task for the committee to say here, here's some other things

659
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:41,520
 to consider which of these in the next draft of the strategy or in the, you know, in the

660
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:47,960
 action plans as we go, which of these needs to be promoted to full goal status or adopted

661
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,600
 in some form in an action plan, something like that. I think that'd be good work for

662
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:56,600
 the community. That's fine with me.

663
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:03,360
 Yeah, I, I agree. That way that they don't get lost and they don't become, you know,

664
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:11,680
 just non-considerations, but we give them the charge to, to go over and consider those.

665
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,000
 Okay. Mario?

666
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:21,200
 Well, so it sounds like what I heard is I'm going to tackle the folding and the other

667
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:26,880
 plans first. So what we will do, staff will do is take the comments that the committee

668
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:31,960
 mentioned this morning and fold in all the various plans that are being worked on across

669
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:36,120
 your organization and make sure they're identified within the plan, literally called out. So

670
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:43,480
 that way there's a placeholder there and there's something to tie back to. So I think

671
01:13:43,480 --> 01:13:49,280
 that, I think there was consensus amongst, amongst a group for that. As far as a title,

672
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:55,680
 and again, I'm not, I'm not big on wordsmithing, but could we go with Denton's simple sustainable

673
01:13:55,680 --> 01:14:06,360
 goals and strategies? We good with that? Okay. So, uh, looking to Catherine, have I missed

674
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:11,540
 anything? Cause we, cause it sounds like the committee, the new committee, not this committee,

675
01:14:11,540 --> 01:14:16,680
 but the new committee that will be newly formed will tackle some, some of the, some of the

676
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,920
 items that were discussed today, some of those other items to be considered down the road

677
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:25,040
 that can be tackled by the committee. So I think what staff will be doing is making those

678
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:30,720
 revisions within the document, the draft document, reformulating it or refining it, reformatting

679
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:39,000
 it, and then bringing it back to council for full consideration. Again, I don't want to

680
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:43,800
 over promise and under deliver, but certainly by, by early August to make sure that we get

681
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:53,200
 everything fully incorporated in there. So if that's okay, then that final version would

682
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:58,240
 not, unless you want this to happen, would not come back to the committee. It would just

683
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:02,240
 go straight to council based on your direction today.

684
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:10,640
 Um, yeah, that, that's okay with me. Um, just to clarify, when this comes back to council,

685
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:15,880
 will the ability for council to create the committee at the same time be within this

686
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:23,120
 document? Because I see it as, um, as pretty important to go hand in hand.

687
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:28,680
 We can certainly do that and have a, um, um, certainly with the recommendation from the

688
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:34,520
 committee to make that happen and then have a, a second action item per se to go ahead

689
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:39,240
 and establish the committee. So one thing that we may want to have happen though is,

690
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:45,480
 uh, cause we're in, we're in June. Does the committee meet in July, Catherine? So maybe

691
01:15:45,480 --> 01:15:52,920
 what we'll do is before, um, we bring the, and I'm just running through my head the schedules

692
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:58,440
 so, maybe one of the things that we would want to do is before we bring, um, the committee

693
01:15:58,440 --> 01:16:04,040
 structure to council, we will run it through the COE first to make sure we, we've covered

694
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:10,200
 the adequate scope of the committee and the size of members. Cause you, you all said that

695
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:14,280
 you believe seven is too small. Uh, so we want to make sure what, what is the right

696
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,160
 number and then to make sure that the scope is appropriate.

697
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:25,760
 All right. Go ahead. Council member Davis. So I, um, I kind of tongue in cheek said earlier,

698
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,840
 I think the council is going to have a lot of input on that. Um, I really think we're

699
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:35,640
 going to hear more at the council level. I'd be comfortable with, you know, setting a dual

700
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:42,080
 work session items with corresponding action items, um, on the plan and the committee pretty

701
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:46,920
 soon. Um, I don't know that we necessarily have to have, I think we've gotten pretty

702
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:51,520
 good direction for the bones of what we'd like to see. And then staff can, can run with

703
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:56,400
 that and put together a proposal and then present that to the full council. Um, I would

704
01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:02,720
 be extremely surprised if that, even if we were to sit here and fine tune the committee

705
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:07,960
 in this committee, um, I'd be very surprised if that was the final product out of council.

706
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:13,640
 Um, so I don't want to, I don't want to spin our wheels and do a lot of work fine tuning

707
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:19,500
 something that's going to be further refined down the road. Um, uh, and we've already kind

708
01:17:19,500 --> 01:17:25,240
 of said that chapter titles are the focus areas. We like those as a, as the starting

709
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:29,000
 point. Um, again, I think council is going to have further input there. And then all

710
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:34,120
 three of us, of course, are there on the council. So if we, if we dream up something new on

711
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:40,160
 the way, um, I think staff has the tools to put together a proposal. Now we can certainly

712
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:48,200
 do that. Councilor Metzler, do you have anything? Yeah, I would just, uh, uh, to affirm, you

713
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:53,280
 know, what councilor Davis just said that, you know, just to put up a sort of straw,

714
01:17:53,280 --> 01:18:00,600
 I think now you say straw dog, you don't say straw man, um, proposal for council to bat

715
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:09,360
 around as far as the composition of the committee, uh, would be, uh, you know, uh, one person,

716
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:15,080
 the goal would be that one person with expertise in each of the chapter areas that any member

717
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:20,480
 could nominate, you know, could look for talent, uh, to nominate for those positions, uh, and

718
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:28,680
 then add just for a starting point three, uh, you know, kind of ad hoc, uh, members

719
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:33,200
 of the community that don't have, you know, that they could be jazz drummers or, you know,

720
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:41,360
 anything. I don't know. Some of us are going to have to think hard about which jazz drummer

721
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:47,640
 we know around town. Um, I'm fine. I think three is a good number of at large, non non

722
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:54,480
 pigeonhole kind of folks. And we, we may use some of our ad hoc people in some of those

723
01:18:54,480 --> 01:19:00,200
 expertise roles. We'll just have to see how the appointments go. Sure. We'll put, we'll

724
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:05,640
 put a proposal together and bring it to council. Thank you, Mario. And I know that, um, just

725
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:10,520
 so that council's aware that the charge of this implementation committee and this advisory

726
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:16,280
 committee is to, to look at this plan and create the action plan so that, um, we're

727
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:21,080
 not, when they're up there, we're not trying to give them more, you know, jobs to do or

728
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:29,040
 take away jobs that they're supposed to do. Um, just so that it's clear. Yes, ma'am. Thank

729
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:36,960
 you. All right. Are y'all okay with that? Having a kind of an action for the committee.

730
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:46,560
 Okay. All right. Well, I guess that will finish that item up unless anybody has any more,

731
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:53,760
 you know, questions on that. Are we good to, to move on? So our next item is C city deputy

732
01:19:53,760 --> 01:20:00,160
 city manager update and the matrix. Yes. Well, uh, it's been several months since the committee

733
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:05,480
 has met, obviously. I think the last time was in January, uh, timeframe, maybe February,

734
01:20:05,480 --> 01:20:12,520
 I guess it's based on the minutes. Uh, so, uh, we have a few items here. Um, item number

735
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:17,320
 one, as, as we mentioned, that will be part of that solid waste strategy. So as Mr. Burner

736
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:21,920
 said that we've been being brought forward to council to award the contract to the consultant

737
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:29,960
 here in an upcoming meeting, uh, believe it's in early August. Um, the implementation committee,

738
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:34,840
 as we mentioned, uh, we'll be bringing that forward to council here, uh, near, uh, soon

739
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:41,400
 based on our most recent discussion. And, uh, based on the information here on my chart,

740
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:48,200
 uh, DME will be bringing forward the soul smart designation information in August. So,

741
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:55,880
 uh, Catherine, you said that they do nothing. The committee does not meet in July normally.

742
01:20:55,880 --> 01:21:01,760
 So your next meeting would be in August and, and, and, you know, we can work with, with

743
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:06,200
 Kim Macon to make sure, um, when do you all want to meet? Cause typically in the, in the

744
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:12,680
 past you've met the first Monday of the month. Um, but if we need to continue that or if

745
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:18,920
 we need to pick another date, that's certainly up to the committee's discretion. Okay. Does

746
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:27,520
 anyone have any, uh, closing concluding items? No. Um, I just, I have a question. I know

747
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:32,880
 that before, or the last time we met or the time before that we were talking about, uh,

748
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:39,280
 carbon reduction and we had a presentation on it. And so I wasn't sure if that was going

749
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:46,520
 to come back to this committee at some point for more discussion or if that is, um, in,

750
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:54,200
 in another category right now. This is James Douglas. I can take that one. Um, so we are

751
01:21:54,200 --> 01:22:01,000
 currently working with ICLE. Um, we've got all of our data in, um, for the portfolios

752
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:07,040
 that were, uh, asked to be created to meet the, uh, different targets so that we can

753
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:13,800
 kind of get a better idea of what strategies we would need to meet those. And so, um, about

754
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:18,560
 last month, all of that data is in and those portfolios are currently being developed.

755
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:22,360
 And so I would say by the August or September meeting, we would be good to have an update

756
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:30,560
 on that. Okay. Thank you. Um, okay. So, and I, I guess that doesn't need to be added to

757
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:37,240
 the matrix since that's already coming back to us. Um, so, all right, well, I appreciate

758
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:43,120
 everyone joining us today and for the conversation and all of those, all of the participants

759
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:51,640
 on that I, that I can't see. Thank you for being here and we will adjourn at 11 23 AM.

760
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,560
 Thank you very much. Thank you all. Thank you. Bye bye.