1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,960 Okay, good afternoon, everybody. 2 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,720 Welcome to our June 8th meeting of the Historic Landmark Commission. 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:21,480 We're doing this, the first time ever, sort of Zoom one person live, and I'm sure we'll 4 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,320 have some bugs, but we'll work our way through it. 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,000 The first thing I'm going to note is we do have a quorum of six commissioners present 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,000 at the moment. 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,560 I see Lenny waving hello. 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:39,600 And we can't, we don't have audio on Lenny at the moment. 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:45,000 So we'll work something out as we go through. 10 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,800 The first thing that we will do is do the Pledge Allegiance to the U.S. flag. 11 00:00:50,800 --> 00:01:02,460 So I suppose, hand over heart, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, 12 00:01:02,460 --> 00:01:13,360 and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty 13 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,480 and justice for all. 14 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:27,440 And likewise, the Texas flag, honor the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee, one state 15 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:33,120 under God, one indivisible. 16 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,920 Okay now, a couple of housekeeping matters I think I want to get through first. 17 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:43,480 It will help if you, when you're not speaking, if you'll mute yourself, and I'll try not 18 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:48,320 to, and we're going to have to do the votes by roll call by name. 19 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,440 So we'll work our way through that. 20 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:59,360 We have three items, really four items on our agenda, three actual projects, and then 21 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,480 the minutes from last time. 22 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:19,240 Now, I will ask everybody, does anybody not get the email for the minutes? 23 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:25,520 Okay then we need a motion to approve it, or a motion to postpone the approval of the 24 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,480 minutes, because we can certainly take care of this our next time. 25 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:37,640 Chair, if I can interject, the minutes were included with the packet that went out? 26 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:41,600 I'll make a motion to approve the minutes. 27 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:42,600 And I'll second. 28 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:43,600 Oh good. 29 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:44,600 Lenny, we have you now. 30 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,480 We have a motion and a second. 31 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:52,280 And I'll do a roll call if you're in favor of approving the minutes. 32 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:53,920 Let's go with Angie. 33 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:54,920 Yes. 34 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:55,920 Janelle? 35 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:56,920 Yes. 36 00:02:56,920 --> 00:02:57,920 Mary? 37 00:02:57,920 --> 00:02:58,920 Yes. 38 00:02:58,920 --> 00:02:59,920 Lenny? 39 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:00,920 Yes. 40 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:01,920 Melody? 41 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:02,920 Yes. 42 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:08,760 And I think we have Evan via cell phone, right? 43 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,080 We may have lost Evan. 44 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,080 Okay. 45 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,080 Okay. 46 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:17,080 Any opposed? 47 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:22,240 Hearing none, we'll record an approval at five to zero. 48 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,800 Thank you, everybody. 49 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:34,000 Our first topic, Chair, if I can interject, I believe there are seven members. 50 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,000 Okay. 51 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,520 One, two, three, four, five, six, oh, seven members. 52 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:40,520 Yes. 53 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:41,520 Sorry, I missed somebody. 54 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:42,520 Melody. 55 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:43,520 Yeah, I think I got you. 56 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:44,520 All right. 57 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:51,620 Evan, I believe is on the line, but I'm not sure what his vote was on the minutes. 58 00:03:51,620 --> 00:03:53,040 I'm hearing and I said yes. 59 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,040 Can you hear me? 60 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:55,040 Yes. 61 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,040 Okay. 62 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,040 We heard you. 63 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,040 Got it. 64 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,040 Okay. 65 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,160 And listen, bear with us because new thing for all of us and we'll work our way through 66 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,360 this. 67 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:15,200 The item for consideration, the second item on our agenda is COA 20-0006, to hold a public 68 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:20,240 hearing and consider an application for a certificate of appropriateness in accordance 69 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:27,440 with section 2.9.2 of the Dent Development Code to replace existing windows on a house 70 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:34,440 located at 921 West Oak Street within the Oak Hickory Historic District. 71 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:40,320 The site is located on Oak Street between Welch and Denton Street. 72 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,600 I think the presentation will be done by Ron. 73 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,800 Yes, Chair. 74 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,840 Thank you. 75 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:54,000 We did receive two white cards, virtual white cards for this item. 76 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:59,360 We will have it for our records, but we will not read out the comments. 77 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:05,680 There was no direct opposition related to the item for consideration. 78 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:11,440 So with that, I'm going to go ahead and start the presentation, if we can get the presentation 79 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:12,440 on. 80 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:13,440 Great. 81 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:32,560 Monica, if you make it full screen for the ... Great, so as introduced in the introduction, 82 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:42,800 this is a COA request for a project to replace existing windows on an existing home that's 83 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:50,200 located in the Oak Hickory Historic District, specifically 921 West Oak Street. 84 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,840 Next slide. 85 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:54,560 This is a close-up view of the home. 86 00:05:54,560 --> 00:06:02,040 It is just to illustrate that the owner of the home is Willie Alcala, and it is a single-story 87 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:09,240 home, again, within the Oak Hickory Historic District. 88 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:16,320 This is a view of the front taken from Oak Street, and I want to direct your attention 89 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,080 to the windows that are shown here. 90 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:25,720 Again, these are existing windows, and you can see from the details, there are four panes 91 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:32,280 on the top part and a large pane on the bottom of each window. 92 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:34,120 Next slide. 93 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:43,840 What the applicant is proposing to do is match the exact architectural detail of the windows. 94 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:51,460 They are proposing to replace 17 total windows covering the entire home, and again, as you 95 00:06:51,460 --> 00:06:58,320 can tell from the existing window details, what is being proposed as part of the replacement 96 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,240 is very similar. 97 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,280 Next slide. 98 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:11,560 What we look at when reviewing a COA application are architectural requirements, and what I've 99 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:18,760 listed here are all of the specific requirements as it relates to windows. 100 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,320 Is it compatible in scale? 101 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,400 Is it proportionally balanced? 102 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:30,240 Does the size and the proportion, is it consistent with the style and period of the building? 103 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:36,360 Does the trim match in the manner, the style? 104 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,400 And again, it's consistent with the typical style of the home. 105 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:48,760 And based on the staff's analysis, next slide, the staff is recommending approval of the 106 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:55,880 request to replace the existing windows with the applicant's proposal. 107 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:03,120 With that, that ends my presentation, and I believe we have hopefully members of the 108 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,440 applicant's team available if you all have any questions. 109 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:14,120 Okay, so let's try it this way. 110 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:20,240 If you have questions, just chime in, or I can call it by everybody by name. 111 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,040 In fact, maybe we should do that, Angie? 112 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,640 There's a raise hand feature, by the way, built into Zoom. 113 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,260 It's not on my version today. 114 00:08:29,260 --> 00:08:31,280 I don't know why. 115 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,720 It's not there. 116 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,760 Or you can also, I can probably see it if you raise your hand, because we certainly 117 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:45,560 want to make sure everyone has, is not cut off in their questions or their discussion. 118 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:50,880 So just wave at me and we'll roll it. 119 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,840 Okay, Mary, if you want to start off. 120 00:08:53,840 --> 00:09:00,080 Well, I live right across the street or one house over, so I see this house quite a bit. 121 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:06,320 I'm glad the applicant has made the windows look similar, but I'm disappointed at the 122 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,880 material choice. 123 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,680 Aluminum is not the world's greatest thing. 124 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:15,480 In fact, usually they don't hold up as well, as far as I can see from having seen a lot 125 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,520 of historic houses. 126 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:22,760 And typically, at least in the recent past, we required replacement with similar materials, 127 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,500 which in this case would likely be wood. 128 00:09:25,500 --> 00:09:27,600 Is that any, is that change, Jerome? 129 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,520 I thought we had to have similar replacement materials. 130 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,160 No, you're absolutely correct. 131 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:38,960 My understanding is that the material that is to be used will be wood. 132 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:47,000 And we do have a Tom Herman, who is the contractor on the line, and maybe he can elaborate on 133 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,800 the material that is being proposed. 134 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,120 I thought you said they were aluminum, but that's why I'm confused when you read. 135 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,120 Did I misunderstand? 136 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:54,120 Yes. 137 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:55,120 Can you hear me? 138 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:06,080 Tom, can you elaborate on the materials that are proposed for the windows? 139 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,560 Can you hear me now? 140 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:08,560 Yes. 141 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:09,560 Hello. 142 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:10,560 Okay. 143 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:13,640 Yeah, this is an aluminum clad wood window. 144 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:20,040 So it's a wood window with just a aluminum clad exterior to keep them from rotting. 145 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,200 And from what I could tell, looking at some others there in that neighborhood, there are 146 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:29,220 several others there that have that same aluminum clad wood. 147 00:10:29,220 --> 00:10:31,040 So it is a solid wood window. 148 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:38,440 It will have the same light pattern on the top and then a solid glass on the bottom. 149 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:49,640 Matter of fact, this is the 366 glass, which has a 0.21 solar heat gain spec to it. 150 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,680 So it is far better than the 0.31 that is required. 151 00:10:54,680 --> 00:11:01,560 Well, my concern is that aluminum clad wood is not the same as wood. 152 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:04,440 And I am not sure. 153 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,640 I live in a 100 plus year old house, Mr. Herman. 154 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,440 My house has windows that are wood. 155 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:10,580 And guess what? 156 00:11:10,580 --> 00:11:13,800 They're just fine and they have not rotted. 157 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,200 So I think that there's a misnomer that that's an advantage that they would rot. 158 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,040 I can assure you my house is at least 102 years old. 159 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,840 It could be 106. 160 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,800 The same windows have been here for that many years. 161 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:25,800 They have faced all the elements. 162 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,760 If you paint them occasionally, we haven't painted them in 16 years and they're really 163 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:29,800 just good. 164 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:36,740 So I don't see why we can't have the real wood exterior as opposed to aluminum clad wood. 165 00:11:36,740 --> 00:11:37,740 You paint them. 166 00:11:37,740 --> 00:11:39,160 They handle it just fine. 167 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,680 And there's no traditional. 168 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:46,640 Yeah, we can do them in all wood. 169 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:51,120 I mean, street face, I don't care what you do in the back, but street face should be 170 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,120 wood. 171 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:53,120 Yeah. 172 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,120 Janelle, I think. 173 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,120 They can be all wood. 174 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,120 Okay. 175 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:03,080 I was just going to make a comment that the aluminum cladding, it appears to be wood or 176 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,080 paint. 177 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:10,840 I mean, I think it's a pretty common newer technology in windows that it's not like an 178 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:11,920 aluminum window. 179 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:16,520 It's actually a more expensive product than your straightforward wood window. 180 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:25,000 And the aluminum cladding, it's powder coated with a white or whatever color is chosen to 181 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,000 match the house. 182 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,080 So they don't look like aluminum windows. 183 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,880 It looks like a wood window visually. 184 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:38,000 So I was just going to put that in there that that's actually, you know, usually in higher 185 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:44,580 end homes, that is just, you know, like a better product that they are using today. 186 00:12:44,580 --> 00:12:46,040 So it's not a cheaper version. 187 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,320 I was just going to let you know that it's, you know, that's actually it's not a factor 188 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,320 for me. 189 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,280 The factor is, as I am a neighborhood person here on the committee and the rules are that 190 00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:01,640 you replace like with like, if it faces anything that looks out onto the street, if it doesn't 191 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,580 face the street, you can't see it from the street. 192 00:13:03,580 --> 00:13:11,360 Most people don't mind that whatever you want to put on the back, but it's kind of a brick, 193 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,400 you know, pulling out the foundation pretty soon. 194 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,360 We're just going to go all aluminum everywhere. 195 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:17,360 And yes, it would be nice. 196 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:18,600 I'd like aluminum siding on my house. 197 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,800 I don't have to spend a fortune painting it. 198 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,720 But you take away from the character of the history. 199 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:29,440 And I just I like the they match the windows and this house isn't as old as my house. 200 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:35,800 I'll admit, but it has a history and it should, it's since they're mostly covered, as I recall 201 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:42,840 from your picture, Ron, that they're unlikely to have that much damage if my windows, which 202 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,120 are covered and plenty of them that aren't covered have not rotted. 203 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,240 I don't think that's a major problem in today's modern age. 204 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,240 Okay. 205 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,680 So this is a question for we'll have plenty of opportunity, I think in a minute to discuss 206 00:13:55,680 --> 00:14:02,440 it. But let's try and questions for Ron or Mr. Herman, I believe. 207 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:03,440 Anyone else? 208 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:08,400 Chair, I've got a question for the applicant to help our discussion. 209 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:14,040 Tom, can you talk about how many windows are facing Oak Street? 210 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,640 I thought I saw four. 211 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:27,080 Yeah, there's a triple window and then one other window that faces the front, if I recall 212 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,080 correctly. 213 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,120 Okay, I just want to make that a point for the commission. 214 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:33,880 As we get into our discussions. 215 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:34,880 Okay. 216 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,520 Do we have any other questions from commission members? 217 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:44,080 All right, and Angie. 218 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,760 Oh, Angie, sorry, got you. 219 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:48,760 That's okay. 220 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:53,240 So I see the triple window in the front, I'm looking at the photo that was sent in our 221 00:14:53,240 --> 00:15:00,520 materials and the porch, it looks like it is a double window or if it's two single windows 222 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:01,520 on the porch. 223 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:02,520 Okay. 224 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:03,520 Yeah. 225 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,480 So that yeah, that probably was a double on the porch and then a triple on the right hand 226 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:08,480 side. 227 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:09,480 Five. 228 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:10,480 Okay. 229 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,480 Thank you. 230 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:12,480 Yeah. 231 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:19,760 Okay, anyone else with questions for Mr. Herman or Ron? 232 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:24,800 Okay, well, thank you guys for the presentation. 233 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:33,160 For the commissioners, as usual, we have four possible options. 234 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:38,560 We can approve as submitted, we can approve subject to conditions, we can deny or continue 235 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:39,840 the item. 236 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:44,840 Before we enter discussion, we would need a motion and a second and I'll open the floor. 237 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:45,840 Mary? 238 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:52,880 Well, I would, I suppose I missed out, I wanted to know whether or not it was just for the 239 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,520 front windows he was asking about, but I missed that. 240 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:03,400 I would only approve this if they are, I would make a motion that we only approve this under 241 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:08,560 the conditions that the exterior facing the street is wood. 242 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,960 I would second that. 243 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:11,960 Okay. 244 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:17,600 So we have a motion and a second that would be to approve subject to condition, the condition 245 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:25,680 being that the Oak Street facing windows not be aluminum clad, but rather wood in their 246 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:26,680 entirety. 247 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:27,680 All right. 248 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,920 I understand the motion. 249 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,760 So we have a motion and a second discussion. 250 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,680 How about we try the waving again? 251 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:37,880 Lenny? 252 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:42,680 I want to know exactly what our ordinance says about the windows. 253 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:47,800 Okay, Ron, you want to take that one? 254 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:48,800 Sure. 255 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,360 Included in the backup, I provided a list. 256 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:58,720 It has windows and doors as a section for the architectural standards for the Oak Hickory 257 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:06,320 Historic District, specifically for style, it states all windows and doors in the front 258 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:11,480 facade of the main building must be proportionally balanced. 259 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:19,080 The size and proportion of the windows located on the front and sides of the main building 260 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:24,280 must be typical of the style and period of the main building. 261 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:30,600 And I believe the last one here, it says that the frames of the windows must be trimmed 262 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:36,600 in a manner typical of a style and period of the building. 263 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:44,720 That is the majority of what's discussed under windows in the Oak Hickory Historic District. 264 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:55,440 So it doesn't require that they be wood, clear wood, rather than aluminum clad wood. 265 00:17:55,440 --> 00:18:02,440 It doesn't go, we don't have a materials per se, however, what I believe it implies is 266 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:11,280 that the windows are as consistent in the style and period of the building. 267 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,280 Okay. 268 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,280 Melody? 269 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:14,280 Oh, sorry. 270 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,280 Melody, you had your hand up. 271 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:25,240 Can I make a comment, this is, oh, okay, all right. 272 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:35,320 We just had our windows replaced with the aluminum wrapped wood and they look like wood. 273 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:40,280 It has a texture on the outside that looks like wood. 274 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:45,600 Is that the case with these particular windows? 275 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:50,800 If we can have, I believe Tom answered yes. 276 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:55,840 Yes, and matter of fact, the frame of the window does not change. 277 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:02,240 The only thing that's changing is we take out the stops inside the sides and we put 278 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,120 in a new sash on the top and the bottom. 279 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:09,840 The outside frame of the window and all the molding and everything that's currently there 280 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,360 stays exactly the same. 281 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:13,680 It is still the real wood. 282 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:21,880 The only thing is the sash itself has the aluminum cladding on it, which keeps it working 283 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,000 properly and from rotting. 284 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:32,920 This is almost 99% of the windows we replace in Highland Park is this aluminum clad for 285 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,680 that same reason. 286 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,600 Okay, thank you. 287 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,120 I'd like to point out, if I could at this point. 288 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:49,760 I took a few minutes to review the Department of the Interior standards for which are not 289 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:55,160 specifically referenced and these are simply guidelines that they give us for historic 290 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:02,600 preservation and in that particular document, which is on the National Park Service website, 291 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,920 it indicates that when historic windows exist, they should be repaired when possible. 292 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:12,280 When they are too deteriorated to repair, the selection of replacement windows must 293 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:20,000 be guided by standard six and I won't read every bit of it, but using the hierarchy or 294 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,600 the building's feature take into account the windows visibility, some general guidance 295 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:25,840 can be drawn. 296 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:31,080 One, the replacement of windows on the primary street facing or highly visible elevation 297 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:37,200 to the building of three stories or less must match the historic windows in all detail and 298 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,200 material. 299 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:45,720 Now, I point out that those are not standards directly adopted, but I think Mary, when you 300 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:52,000 were commenting before, you know, we are reminded that these are sort of the gold standard for 301 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,000 that. 302 00:20:53,000 --> 00:21:04,640 So, with that, I'll let the discussion -- oh, who does -- oh, Angie, yes, ma'am, go ahead. 303 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:12,480 So back -- I don't know if you recall, Roy, and when we had -- people come to this commission 304 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:18,200 and they spoke to us about preservation and about preservation with historic structures 305 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,200 and one of the key things that they mentioned were windows. 306 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:28,000 And so with what you just read, too, I was under the impression we were only allowing 307 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:33,300 replacement of windows if they were broken and not really coming into a whole structure 308 00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:35,080 and replacing windows. 309 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:41,920 However, with that said, I think we have to look at not what it looks like. 310 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:47,200 We don't have to -- cost is not an issue to this commission at all, but we have to go 311 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:53,440 with preservation and what is going to be preservation for our historic structures. 312 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,360 And with that, that is with the real wood. 313 00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:04,480 And that is why I seconded the motion, is because I do feel like we have to really adhere 314 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,320 to preservation. 315 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:12,680 And with the preservation, windows are huge with that, and that's what I'm going to stand 316 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:13,680 with. 317 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:14,680 >> Okay. 318 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,160 I have a question for Angie. 319 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:24,040 Talking to me about the windows on the Oak Street-facing facade versus perhaps the rear 320 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,200 of the home, do you draw a distinction there at all? 321 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,080 >> Actually I would prefer they all stay wood. 322 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,800 >> Okay. 323 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,320 >> Everyone for preservation. 324 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,920 >> That's my preference, but -- >> That would be my preference as well. 325 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:46,920 >> I'm settling on the front-facing look to it. 326 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,920 >> Okay. 327 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:53,600 Now, I believe the motion was to approve with modifications at the front-facing windows 328 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,560 to be wood. 329 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:56,560 Is that correct? 330 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:57,560 That's your motion, Mary? 331 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:03,600 >> That was my motion, although Angie actually brought up an important point about -- or 332 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,320 actually made it with you when you were reading it, Roy, that perhaps they should be repaired 333 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,800 as opposed to replaced. 334 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:15,400 I thought that was what you -- I understood historic preservation, or did I miss it? 335 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,640 >> You're correct. 336 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,200 But it's sort of up to the homeowner to make the decision if they feel like the windows 337 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:27,760 that are there are repairable, restorable correctly, or if they need to be replaced. 338 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,000 But -- >> Well, actually I'm not sure that it is 339 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,360 up to the homeowner, by the way. 340 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:38,040 I think it's up to us to decide based on the information we're given. 341 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:43,680 That said, I can understand wanting to replace windows. 342 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:49,720 I still think that at least front-facing, street-facing items should abide by historic 343 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,400 preservation. 344 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,560 One of the items -- and this is an aside that I wanted our previous historic preservation 345 00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:01,400 officer to deal with -- is to make sure every new owner coming into a historic home knew 346 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:07,480 the requirements by the time they bought it, or perhaps while they were looking at it. 347 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:14,200 I don't know if Mr. Acala has gotten those, if anybody has notified him of that. 348 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,600 But I think the rules are there. 349 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,480 I mean, why are we here if we're not going to preserve? 350 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:26,520 And make that attempt to preserve history of homes. 351 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,720 We have so few historic homes left in this town, they keep getting knocked down. 352 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,480 >> Angie, I see your hand up. 353 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,480 >> I do. 354 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,480 I have a question for Ron. 355 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:42,560 So, Ron, when you were reading our guidelines, to me it sounded like those guidelines were 356 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,760 for new construction maybe coming in. 357 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:53,320 And so I wonder, is there a difference between new construction versus preserving an existing 358 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,320 structure? 359 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,320 >> No, ma'am. 360 00:24:55,320 --> 00:25:01,160 The only architectural standards I have are listed all at one location, and there's no 361 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,240 differentiation between new construction and restoration. 362 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:10,160 Although there are different sections that talks about new construction and additions, 363 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:17,480 overall, the windows and doors specifically applies to both. 364 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,160 >> Thank you. 365 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,000 >> Okay. 366 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,040 Anyone else have any comments? 367 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,560 Okay. 368 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:34,640 The motion on the floor is, marries, as it stands now, with the second, that we approve 369 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,040 subject to conditions. 370 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:44,240 That condition at the moment is that the oak street facing windows be replaced with solid 371 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,480 wood windows. 372 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,320 I suppose at this point we are going to call a vote. 373 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:58,240 So those in favor of the motion, how about you raise your hand and I'll record them. 374 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,800 All right. 375 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,520 So we've got Mary. 376 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,720 We have Melody. 377 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,520 We have Lenny. 378 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,520 Angie. 379 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,920 And Janelle. 380 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,920 And who? 381 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:16,920 >> Evan. 382 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:17,920 Evan's on the line. 383 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,320 >> And Evan, are you -- what's your vote? 384 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,320 >> I just raised my hand digitally through the app. 385 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,320 >> Okay. 386 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,440 Then Roy likewise votes affirmatively. 387 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,320 So are there any opposition? 388 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:52,720 Hearing and seeing no waiving, then item number -- pardon me -- COA 20-0006 is approved with 389 00:26:52,720 --> 00:27:00,920 subject to conditions, a condition being that the oak street facing windows be wood. 390 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,920 Thanks everybody. 391 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:09,920 If there are any other questions or comments, we'll move to our next agenda item. 392 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:33,160 Okay. 393 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,240 Let me take about a 10-second recess. 394 00:27:35,240 --> 00:28:02,960 I'll be right back. 395 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,960 Pardon me for that. 396 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:10,040 Just reminded that if you're participating via cell phone or any phone, we don't hear 397 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,760 you in real time. 398 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:17,240 And so I'll try and be real slow between agenda items. 399 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:23,640 Don't not be heard. 400 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,720 The next item on our agenda is similar. 401 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:35,880 And COA 20-0007, hold a public hearing and consider an application for certificate of 402 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:43,360 appropriateness in accordance with section 2.9.2 of the development code to replace existing 403 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:51,060 windows on a building located at 221 North Elm Street, a designated local historic landmark. 404 00:28:51,060 --> 00:28:56,200 The site is located on the southwest corner of Elm and McKinney Street. 405 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,960 I believe that Ron is going to make a presentation. 406 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,240 Thank you, Chair. 407 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,600 The presentation fold up and I'll make my presentation. 408 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,920 One second. 409 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:37,520 Okay. 410 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,520 Can you go to the full screen? 411 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:49,080 COA 20-0007, hold a public hearing and consider an application for certificate of appropriateness. 412 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,080 Bear with us. 413 00:29:53,080 --> 00:30:01,380 If you go to the bottom, Monica, further to the right. 414 00:30:01,380 --> 00:30:07,160 Nope, one over, one more. 415 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,420 Keep going to the right. 416 00:30:11,420 --> 00:30:13,800 Thank you. 417 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,800 Good evening. 418 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:23,200 This is a COA application for 221 North Elm, also referred to as City Hall West. 419 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,320 This application is for the restoration of the windows. 420 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,740 We'll have slides specifically to what is being proposed. 421 00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:42,400 This way of background, this was a building that was designated as a historic landmark, 422 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:48,880 local historic landmark, that is, in 1982, adopted by ordinance 8269. 423 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:58,400 Very recently, in November of 2018, there was a city council subcommittee created to 424 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:04,900 discuss the use of the building and also the repair of the building. 425 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:11,280 Out of that subcommittee, or steering committee, that is, there was a recommendation to restore 426 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:18,920 the windows on, again, November 13th, 2018, the city council during a work session directed 427 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:28,080 staff to move forward with the restoration of those buildings and associated work. 428 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,360 Next slide. 429 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:35,240 The next few slides is to illustrate the building as it is today. 430 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,420 As you can see, this is the east view, the front of the building. 431 00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:47,080 This is the west view showing the building on, I'm sorry, the north view, showing the 432 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,400 north side of the building. 433 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,440 This is to show the windows that are facing west. 434 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:05,360 And the last is the south view showing the six windows that are facing south. 435 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:12,440 So what is being proposed, and I'm not going to read the entire list here, was included 436 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:21,160 in the backup, the proposal or request is to replace all existing exterior windows, 437 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:27,760 including the associated brick mold, accessories, et cetera. 438 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:35,480 There are also work to clean up some of the cast stone seals. 439 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:42,880 Also have additional glazing assigned to those individual windows, and to remove any suspended 440 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:49,960 acoustical tile and grid as required to perform the work related to the replacement or restoration 441 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,960 of the windows. 442 00:32:51,960 --> 00:33:01,240 What you see here are four types of windows, and they're very similar to what was there 443 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,240 historically. 444 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,800 So if we can go to the next slide. 445 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:14,960 The front door you see here in the transom area will not be associated with any work. 446 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,160 There is no work proposed. 447 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:25,520 However, the windows all around the building will be replaced with, again, the types of 448 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,280 windows as you see here. 449 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:35,760 The first, the two that you see in front of you is type F, and the type that will be replaced 450 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,080 is shown in the graphic to the right. 451 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,880 Next slide. 452 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:49,040 Similarly, the building to the north, you see that there is a little bit more elaborate 453 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,880 window types. 454 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:59,920 There is a type D and a type E, and what is being proposed is that they be replaced with 455 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:10,040 the architectural proposal details that you see in the type D and type E drawings to provide 456 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,760 a little bit more reference. 457 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:22,880 If you look at the existing photo to the left, you see that the buildings will have, have 458 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:31,120 been removed and replaced with some existing building or existing windows that are not 459 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:38,520 consistent with what was there historically, and so what the proposal is to bring back 460 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,640 those historic windows as you see in the drawings. 461 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,960 Next slide. 462 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:52,600 Using the Secretary of Interior Standards of, I'm sorry, for the treatment of historic 463 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:59,960 properties, since this is not part of any historic district, but rather a local landmark 464 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:09,800 as well as a state landmark, we use the following standards in our evaluation or analysis. 465 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:17,480 Going through the standards, preservation for rehabilitation, restoration, reconstruction, 466 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:26,600 the proposal meets the intent, and again, what the city is trying to do is match the 467 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:32,120 windows that were there historically and that is what is being proposed. 468 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,880 Next slide. 469 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:41,980 For that reason, the staff is recommending approval of this COA and I'll stand for questions. 470 00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:50,840 We do have members of the facility staff who's managing this project as well as the architect 471 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:57,120 that has been given the assignment to work on this project. 472 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:03,440 Okay, at this point, Angie, go ahead. 473 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,800 I have a question, Ron. 474 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:06,800 Yes ma'am. 475 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,280 Just a little confusion if you can help me out. 476 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:16,320 When you had on there, I think a type E and a type F, I got confused with that. 477 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,280 So are they, they're wanting to replace them for what they were originally. 478 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:25,760 I appreciate that, but I'm not clear on are they all going to look that way. 479 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,280 I just got confused with the E, F and those things. 480 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,840 I think I understand what you're saying because when I was looking at this as I was reviewing 481 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:43,700 it, I believe the historic reference photo that they show just illustrates what was there. 482 00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:52,200 If I can have Alexis McKinney explain what will be replaced and what type will be used, 483 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,120 I think that will be helpful for the commission. 484 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,680 Can you bring up those images again for everyone because that's where I'm confused. 485 00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:59,680 Okay. 486 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:05,760 So Monica, if you can go to the slide that had the historic reference. 487 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:11,880 Or for my commissioners here, is anyone else confused? 488 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:12,880 Is it just me? 489 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,440 No, it's not you because I thought the first slide, the numbering was wrong on the windows 490 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,280 to the window to the frame. 491 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:32,120 I thought the D and the F was not supposed to be there, but someplace else, I think. 492 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,040 If we could bring those slides back up, I think that might. 493 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,640 We're working on it right now. 494 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,960 While we're working on it, Alexis, are you on the line? 495 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:45,960 Yes. 496 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,500 Yes, I'm here. 497 00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:56,520 If you can, as we try to get the slides up, if you can just give us how those types are 498 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:02,840 going to be applied to, I won't say each of the window, but generally on City Hall West. 499 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:03,840 Sure. 500 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,720 So those are window types. 501 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:13,760 So those are, they are different arrangements that were on the original building. 502 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,960 That historic photo, if you have access to it, I think they're trying to pull it up is 503 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:25,040 a great example because there are two types that are along the former auditorium. 504 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,160 This is the north wall. 505 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:36,680 So one was a pair of two double hung windows set within a cast stone half round top. 506 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:44,040 And then there's another type, which I think was type D, that has a glazed transom. 507 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,680 So there's only three window types on this building. 508 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:56,200 The F type is represented almost everywhere else as a double hung window. 509 00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:03,620 So the windows that you see currently on the building are solid wood manufactured from 510 00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:04,920 the 1980s. 511 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:10,360 And they are the, at least the second round of non-original windows on the building and 512 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:15,120 maybe the third. 513 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:25,320 So if you can go to slide four, Monica, right here, if you stay here. 514 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:32,760 So Alexis, if you can explain what type will be applied to these windows. 515 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,420 I know we know the type F, the more rectangular shape, the single rectangular, that will be 516 00:39:37,420 --> 00:39:39,680 used for those. 517 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:49,240 But the four that are facing due north, what type will they be for each one of those? 518 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,400 They will return to their original arrangement. 519 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,380 So type D, there are three on the north wall. 520 00:39:56,380 --> 00:40:01,420 There is one type E that's set within the cast stone. 521 00:40:01,420 --> 00:40:05,880 And then the type G is in a non-original wall. 522 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:12,960 So we're replicating the shape, if you will, but not the detailing. 523 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:19,840 So what you're seeing in this photo, sorry, the video is about a minute behind the call. 524 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,160 So I'm struggling for a little bit. 525 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,720 On the image that I'm currently seeing of the existing building on that north elevation, 526 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:37,840 the window to the far right is the type E. And so that is a cast stone panel below the 527 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,440 sill and a cast stone half rounded head. 528 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:46,760 We will just be replacing the windows between the two. 529 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:53,000 And the three windows that you see to the left of that are the type D. And those originally 530 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,560 had glazed transom. 531 00:40:54,560 --> 00:41:01,480 So we are going to put back the glazed transom and then the window below, which was not two 532 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:08,680 double hung windows, but was one very large, wide double hung window that will be going 533 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:09,680 there. 534 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,800 Right now, there's a bit of a struggle because there is a floor addition that's in the building. 535 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:21,160 And so we will be temporarily covering the back of the glazed transom so that you don't 536 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:26,760 see that until that later addition is removed from the interior. 537 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:34,680 And the type G, which is a non-original, it's a part of an elevator that was added, is there 538 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,980 to the far left. 539 00:41:35,980 --> 00:41:40,960 So that's in a completely different opening that's plaster. 540 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:47,320 But we'll be replacing that window as well because it is also severely deteriorated. 541 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,280 Can we see the original from that historic photo? 542 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,280 Can you go to that slide? 543 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,400 Can you go down a couple of slides, please? 544 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,520 A couple more. 545 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,240 One more. 546 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,640 There we go. 547 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,320 That one. 548 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:09,400 I understand what you're saying, Angie, I was looking at this, the masonry is actually 549 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,160 on the opposite end versus what is there today. 550 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,040 And I totally understand what you're saying. 551 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,040 But I think what Alexis- 552 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:23,600 And that's, Ron, that's currently covered by that elevator addition, that type E window. 553 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:30,040 So there is another, there's a mirror of that type E on the far right-hand side, which is 554 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:37,720 outside of this one historic fire station photo that we're working with. 555 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:38,720 That makes sense. 556 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:45,320 So basically, they're all going to have, look, they're going to do away with the double rectangle 557 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,080 windows that are hung and go to the little squares. 558 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,800 Correct. 559 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:52,800 I like it. 560 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:53,800 Okay. 561 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,800 Thanks. 562 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:03,200 Is there, will the fire truck doors come back? 563 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,600 That is not a part of this current scope. 564 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:11,760 It's limited to window work, really, and some cleaning of the cast stone surrounds. 565 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:17,720 Roy, if I can answer, I don't think that was, as Alexis mentioned, not part of the scope. 566 00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:24,680 And I don't think if we did something to that, we would need to get direction from council. 567 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,240 Okay. 568 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:27,240 Thank you. 569 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,640 Any other questions? 570 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,640 Okay. 571 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:36,720 Okay. 572 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:37,720 Make sure you wave. 573 00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:40,000 Evan, are you there? 574 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,400 I'm here. 575 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:52,920 Any questions since I can't see you waving? 576 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:53,920 Okay. 577 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:54,920 Hearing none. 578 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:55,920 Okay. 579 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:56,920 Okay. 580 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:05,640 So that ends the discussion part of our, of this particular agenda item. 581 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,980 As before, we have, as a commission, four options. 582 00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:10,800 Approve is submitted. 583 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,360 Approve subject to conditions, deny or continue the item. 584 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,400 Any of those will require a motion in which after, and a second in which we can enter 585 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,400 into discussion. 586 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:29,960 Well, how about we let Jenelle be the motion maker? 587 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,800 Who was the second, please? 588 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:32,800 I second. 589 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:33,800 Oh, Lenny seconded. 590 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,800 Okay. 591 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:41,280 We have a motion to second and I'll just open the floor unless we have a problem. 592 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,280 Just be courteous. 593 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,280 Sorry. 594 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,280 Go ahead, Angie. 595 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,680 I'm wondering, did we say the material, was it going to be wood? 596 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,800 It's going to be the aluminum clad. 597 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:57,600 And there's a, there's a letter from the historical commission, Texas Historical Commission as 598 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,760 part of the exhibit that explains, you know, that says that they approve this and think 599 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:11,840 that it's because this is, let me open that one, it's exhibit eight. 600 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:17,640 The Texas, he says, the historic windows were removed several decades ago and replaced with 601 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,320 an appropriate windows that are currently on the building from photo documentation that 602 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,080 appears the original windows were wooden with divided lights. 603 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,720 The divided lights are the little squares. 604 00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:32,320 The proposed restoration of the historic appearance of the windows with aluminum clad windows 605 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,320 with the same profile and division of light within each window appears to be appropriate 606 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,140 and will have no impact on the building's RTHL designation. 607 00:45:40,140 --> 00:45:43,320 We therefore waive the remainder of the review period and the work may proceed. 608 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:49,340 So I think that, you know, especially since this is a public building, I think that there's 609 00:45:49,340 --> 00:45:52,520 the maintenance that comes into play. 610 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:58,960 And I would, I would say that, you know, since the Texas Historical Commission doesn't seem 611 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,280 to have an issue with this particular usage and it's not in the neighborhood where it's 612 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:09,160 not something that the neighbors might be offended that I think that the aluminum clad 613 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,440 wood is an appropriate usage in this situation. 614 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,920 Okay. 615 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:15,920 Thank you. 616 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,800 Anyone else? 617 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,240 Is there a reason why they wouldn't go wood? 618 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:23,440 It's a maintenance issue. 619 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:28,640 I would think really, you know, when you come to, you know, it's a public building and it 620 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,040 has no trees around it. 621 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:35,000 So there's a lot of sun and a lot of, you know, and I think that that's probably why 622 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:40,680 they chose, but I'll let the architect speak to that to go with the aluminum clad, because 623 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:46,520 you don't have to repaint them, you know, from, you know, as maintenance, you know, 624 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:52,800 working in facilities with the city, you know, that that's a big expense to the taxpayers. 625 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,840 They have to come in every few years and repaint. 626 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,280 It's not like a homeowner that makes that decision. 627 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,060 It's just, you're maintaining the public building. 628 00:46:59,060 --> 00:47:03,360 So if you can avoid having to repaint the windows every couple of years, you're saving 629 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,560 quite a bit of money for the taxpayer. 630 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:06,560 I don't know. 631 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,600 They're wasting my money if they're repainting them every couple of years. 632 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:13,920 I've lived here 16 years and have not needed to repaint my west facing windows, which are 633 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,520 highly exposed to the sun. 634 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:16,640 The windows are the best. 635 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,760 It's the siding that's not so great for that. 636 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,280 So I think the justification that it saves money in maintenance is probably pretty poor. 637 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,160 I mean, I'm one person here. 638 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,840 Anybody else have real hardcore wood windows that are ancient? 639 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,680 They don't go bad. 640 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,040 I do know that some that they do go bad sometimes. 641 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:44,360 And as a public building and the State Historical Commission agreed, I don't have a problem 642 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,040 with aluminum clad windows. 643 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:54,040 I don't like them, but the State Historical Commission is kind of higher than me. 644 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,040 Okay. 645 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,960 Is there any other further discussion? 646 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:03,240 I'm going to wait just a beat or two for Evan. 647 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:04,760 Okay. 648 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,040 Hearing none, we have a motion and a second to approve is submitted. 649 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,200 Let's roll with Angie, your vote. 650 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,000 Hey, come back to me. 651 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,000 I'm still thinking. 652 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,000 Okay. 653 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,720 Lenny, go ahead. 654 00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:20,720 Yes. 655 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:21,720 Vote. 656 00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:22,720 I mean, I. 657 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:23,720 Melody? 658 00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:24,720 Aye. 659 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:25,720 Yes. 660 00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:30,300 Mary? 661 00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:34,480 I'm kind of right up there with Angie, let me think of it. 662 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,480 Okay. 663 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:36,480 Evan. 664 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:37,480 Aye. 665 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:38,480 Okay. 666 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,480 Angie, any thoughts? 667 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:58,200 You know, I really like that they're putting it back to look like original. 668 00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,280 I love that. 669 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,600 I think it's going to look fantastic. 670 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,680 I'm just on the fence with why they wouldn't go with wood if we're trying to preserve a 671 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,600 historic structure. 672 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,800 And I know that, you know, you have the state that approved it. 673 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,040 But the way that I read the letter is that there was some discussion over it. 674 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,240 And I believe there was some discussion over it because it's not wood. 675 00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:28,040 And I would just like our city to make a stance on preservation with the wood. 676 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:34,560 But that's, that's my, I mean, I live in a house with all wood windows that, you know, 677 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:47,840 the same thing, so I'll, I'll go with it, I'll say yes. 678 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,800 I will say yes, mainly because I think wood is not the same as it was when my house was 679 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:53,800 built. 680 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,720 I mean, I have the big pine or whatever it is, windows, I suspect, you know, wood on 681 00:49:58,720 --> 00:49:59,720 my walls. 682 00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:05,960 But I suspect the wood is of cheaper quality, so I will, as a taxpayer, go with that. 683 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,040 Okay. 684 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:12,520 My only concern is that we apply, I mean, I get that there are different building uses 685 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,240 and whatnot. 686 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:19,920 I understand that maintenance in a public facility, but I would have preferred these 687 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,680 to be real wood windows. 688 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,600 They would, anyway, neither here nor there. 689 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,160 We've all voted. 690 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,400 We approve it unanimously. 691 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,400 Yes, ma'am. 692 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,400 Janelle. 693 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:32,400 You didn't, you didn't count my vote. 694 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,400 Oh, sorry. 695 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,400 Go ahead, Janelle. 696 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,400 I think I would vote to approve it. 697 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:36,400 Oh, good. 698 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:37,400 Did you vote? 699 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:42,800 Yes, I voted yes with some comments. 700 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,800 Yeah, like, like the rest of it. 701 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:55,160 Well, it's, yeah, you know, it's just, sometimes it's a bit of a trade-off and you look at, 702 00:50:55,160 --> 00:51:03,480 you know, public facilities and whatnot, it just, it would seem to me like we need a universal 703 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,960 set of standards with regard to windows and we apply those. 704 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,480 But that's neither here nor there. 705 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,240 The motion passes unanimously. 706 00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:15,320 Are there any public comments? 707 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,520 I haven't heard them along. 708 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,760 So that passes one, two, three, four, five. 709 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:26,920 I'm going to, I'm going to have to excuse myself because I've got to go to a meeting 710 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:27,920 at work. 711 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:28,920 Okay. 712 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:29,920 Thank you very much. 713 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:30,920 Thank you, everybody. 714 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,920 Thank you, Janelle. 715 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:32,920 Bye. 716 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:33,920 Bye. 717 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:34,920 Bye. 718 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:35,920 Bye. 719 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:36,920 Okay. 720 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:43,080 We will note that Janelle has had to leave for work, but we still have one over our 721 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,080 quorum limit. 722 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:53,480 So we'll proceed to our last agenda item, which is COA 0008, hold a public hearing and 723 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:58,280 consider an application for a certificate of appropriateness in accordance with section 724 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:05,720 2.9.2 of the Denton Development Code to install photovoltaic cells on the roof of the house 725 00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:11,520 located at 305 Marietta Street within the West Oak Historic District. 726 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:17,680 The site is located on Marietta Street between Houston Place and Oak Street. 727 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:22,440 I believe Ron is going to do the presentation. 728 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:27,880 Yes, sir. 729 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:34,480 So we're having a little technical difficulties here, but I'll just go ahead and do a quick 730 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,120 introduction. 731 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:43,340 This is a COA certificate of appropriateness application for a proposal to install roof 732 00:52:43,340 --> 00:52:49,640 mounted solar panels on a property located at 305 Marietta. 733 00:52:49,640 --> 00:53:07,980 So we're going to try to reload the presentation. 734 00:53:07,980 --> 00:53:11,720 Next slide. 735 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:12,720 This is a close up view. 736 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:18,160 I think this is an important view of the home, as you can see. 737 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:24,820 The west is towards the left and the street is on the east. 738 00:53:24,820 --> 00:53:29,440 So the panels that are being proposed, and you'll see an illustration of this, will be 739 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:36,080 on the west facing side of the roof. 740 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:42,360 I wanted to show just an illustration of the front of the house where there are lots of 741 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:49,000 trees and would not be an appropriate location for the solar panels. 742 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:56,600 But with the rear view, next slide, although this was taken more in the winter, you can 743 00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:04,760 see that there's not much coverage on the west facing roof plane of the house. 744 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:11,800 If we go to the next slide, this illustrates where the applicant is proposing to locate 745 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,280 the solar panels. 746 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:23,160 There are a total of 15 panels, 14 of which are located on the west facing. 747 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:29,360 And then there is one just on the south facing by itself. 748 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:36,000 You can just see where it is right below the number three there. 749 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,200 Next slide. 750 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:44,760 Similar to the other COAs, we have a section of the code that references architectural 751 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:45,760 requirements. 752 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:53,800 This one for this consideration is for the West Oak Area Historic District, and it does 753 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:59,480 have a section that talks about solar panels, and it states that the Historic Landmark Commission 754 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:05,800 may allow solar panels on a building if the placement does not have any adverse effect 755 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:11,280 on the architecture of the building or the district as a whole. 756 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:18,760 With staff's review of the proposed location, staff is recommending approval of this certificate 757 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,040 of appropriateness request. 758 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,460 I will stand for questions. 759 00:55:23,460 --> 00:55:31,200 We also have the contractor that is working with the property owner on the phone if you 760 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,920 all have any questions. 761 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:41,000 Okay, as before, just raise your hand and we will roll into the questions. 762 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:47,080 Wow, what a quiet group today. 763 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:54,400 Well we all understood what he said and the description, very good. 764 00:55:54,400 --> 00:56:01,680 For the first time the pictures were crystal clear, it was just, you know, no, no problem. 765 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:06,960 Thank you, the applicant made it easy for you. 766 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:07,960 Exactly. 767 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:13,920 Okay, so I think that closes our question section of the presentation. 768 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,580 As before, the Historic Landmark Commission has four options. 769 00:56:17,580 --> 00:56:22,920 We can approve as submitted, approve subject to conditions, we can deny or continue the 770 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:23,920 item. 771 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:29,440 Any of those, we would need a motion and a second to enter discussion, followed by a 772 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,440 vote. 773 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:31,720 Do we have a motion? 774 00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:36,080 I move that we accept it as requested. 775 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,480 I'll second it. 776 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:44,320 Okay, we have a motion by Lenny and a second by Angie that, so let's just open discussion. 777 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,000 So raise your hand and join in. 778 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:58,080 Wow, okay, we are still a quiet bunch, Mary, anything? 779 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,240 You know, I'm not a big fan, but they don't face the street. 780 00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:01,240 Who do I care? 781 00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:05,560 You know, if they face the back, they're not going to be seen by anybody, but the EMF UNT 782 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,480 decides to put up eventually. 783 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,720 Okay, so hearing no further questions, let's call the vote. 784 00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:14,880 Angie, I don't want to go to you always first. 785 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,200 That's okay. 786 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,200 Yes. 787 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,200 Mary. 788 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:19,200 Yes. 789 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:20,200 Lenny. 790 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:21,200 Yes. 791 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,200 Okay, Melody. 792 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,200 Yes. 793 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,200 Roy is yes, and Evan. 794 00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,200 Okay. 795 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:34,400 That means all of us have, did I miss anybody? 796 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,400 Okay. 797 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,560 You got it. 798 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,040 Hearing none, it's approved unanimously by a vote of six to nothing. 799 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,400 I believe, ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our agenda. 800 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:54,120 I've been asked, however, for completeness, that we close our meeting with a motion to 801 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,200 adjourn, followed by a second, just so we can time out. 802 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:02,160 Before we do that, can I make, ask a question, please? 803 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,760 Yes, ma'am. 804 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:15,140 I was contacted by a young woman who had discussed wanting to make a presentation to the commission, 805 00:58:15,140 --> 00:58:22,280 and the letter that was sent out indicated that she had until a certain date, but the 806 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:30,120 date did not, the letter did not indicate that there was a time of day also that limited 807 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,600 what she could do. 808 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,840 So she missed a deadline. 809 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:41,200 And I'd just like to ensure that in the future, if there is, if you send out a notice and 810 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:48,000 it says the last day to do this is on the eighth, if it is at four o'clock on the eighth 811 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,880 or 12 o'clock on the eighth, we state that in the letter. 812 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,240 So to make it clear that you don't have an all day on the eighth to do it. 813 00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:02,720 Lenny, if I can get clarification, was that a letter that was sent out or was that the 814 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,040 agenda posting? 815 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:13,280 She referred to it as a letter that the letter told her she had a date, but it did not say 816 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,560 what time it was, and it was, I think, at noon or something. 817 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:18,560 Okay. 818 00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:25,000 We'll make sure we put a deadline as to when comments and requests can be made. 819 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,520 Okay. 820 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:28,520 Thank you, Lenny. 821 00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,360 Do we have a motion to adjourn? 822 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,480 Motion to adjourn. 823 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:33,480 Okay. 824 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,160 Motion and a second. 825 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,200 Any opposed? 826 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,240 Hearing none, we stand adjourned at four o' two p.m. 827 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:44,240 Thank you, everyone. 828 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:45,240 Thank you. 829 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:55,240 [BLANK_AUDIO]