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 >> Okay. Good morning, everyone.

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 Seeing that we have a quorum present, I'm going to call this meeting of the Mobility Committee to order at 9 a.m.

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 We'll go into individual consideration.

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 I may consider the approval of the meeting minutes, agenda 13.

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 I'll entertain a motion.

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 >> I'll make a motion to approve.

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 >> Second.

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 >> All in favor?

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 >> Aye.

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 >> Okay, the minutes are approved.

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 We're going to change things a little bit, because, you know, John's just a prerodontist.

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 If he's not first, like, there's something wrong.

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 So, we're going to go to -- we're going to go up to item D, receiver report and hold a discussion

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 regarding textile non-system projects in the debt area.

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 So, my apologies for the prima donnery, if that's a word, got to be in the district to work on one

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 of these projects that we'll talk about when we get to it in just a second.

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 So, these are the projects that we are involved with.

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 These are the total dollar amounts that are -- that we know to date that we have committed

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 on these projects, some of them we still have to work on, on textile and getting those funds.

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 Totally committed, but that dollar amount will only go up from the $2.5,

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 $2.3 billion that we're tracking for you.

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 So, on your 2181 Northside project, again, this is a project that Zachary has picked up.

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 The construction report, basically, they're coming in and doing pothole repair and stabilization

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 of the existing temporary facility that's out there now so that they can, once they start back

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 to work on the utilities, they'll have a roadway

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 that the traveling public can semi-safely drive on.

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 So, what's the -- is there any communication continuing or ongoing with the businesses

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 and our homes in that area that butt up to Teasley?

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 >> You know, I don't think the state is actually doing much of that on this contract,

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 but we meet every two weeks.

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 We can coordinate a public outreach process starting, you know, next month or so.

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 I think that's not a bad idea now that we're going to get it back into the heavy movement

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 of traffic there.

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 >> Okay. Thank you.

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 >> So, we'll just -- we'll add that to our task force.

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 >> Especially because it was so long and waiting and now, you know, it's moving,

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 so it'd be good to have.

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 >> Right. So, we were at a -- because these projects do have impact because we were

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 at a meeting where my wife was, and it was Candy Haven was on the frontage road of 35

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 at the 377 project, she's saying it has had a noticeable impact on her clientele,

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 for like a little word.

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 Nobody in the room knew, but that's nothing compared

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 to the frontage road project we're fixing right there at the rural track.

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 So, we got to make sure she knows what to do.

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 So, yes, that's critical component, but we'll bring that up.

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 So, your four-wheel drive, speaking of four-wheel drive, they are in the process

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 of finishing the punchless items for the city's water line.

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 I think they've got some additional efforts they have to complete to get the city

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 to sign off on that, but we are getting close.

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 We're going vertical on parts of the railroad, new railroad bridge structure,

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 and yeah, that's pretty much it.

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 We're still looking for November 2020-ish, it may be more like January '21,

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 but it depends on how we work out these change order requests that SEMA submitted.

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 But generally speaking, this project seems to be working as it should.

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 Okay, a breaker job, they continue to keep opening parts of it.

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 The main lanes are operational, the Dallas Drive is operational,

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 your frontage road ramps are operational.

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 The main area we're still working on is the 288 intersection, and basically,

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 I think this is the critical path out of the underpass under 288.

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 And TechStat's still saying that it may be February when they're done,

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 but it may be February 29th because they're thankful there's a leak year this year

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 because they needed one yesterday.

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 But yeah, so Brian and his guys are still working, we're still trying to figure

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 out the best way to maximize what we can do at Brinker and the frontage roads

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 because that signal still seems to want for assistance.

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 >> So I'm just really confused about the loop 288 intersection there.

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 I mean, why is it taking so long?

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 >> So I'm not an engineer, and hopefully somebody can go me out here that is.

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 >> Why'd you ask?

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 >> But they call something in the section where all the utilities

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 and all the work they have to do, the Mariana Trench.

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 And apparently, there's a lot of water that flows underneath that roadway,

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 and so it's on the north side of the underpass area.

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 And it takes a significant amount of work in that area, and as they try to come in

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 and do asphalting, they have to have not only the temperature a certain range,

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 but the under pavement has to be a certain level dry.

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 And the rain that's been occurring, there's a certain part underneath 288

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 that doesn't dry as fast as the other,

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 and I guess that's why they call it the Mariana Trench, I don't know.

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 But we asked that question last week, because we're going to do a ribbon cutting,

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 and I don't know the date, but it's like next week, 20th, he knows the date.

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 So y'all will all be invited.

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 And we're doing it before it's done because it's the only time we'll be fine.

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 >> So the ribbon cutting will take place before the project's done?

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 >> Well, it sounds bad when you say it that way.

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 It's substantially complete.

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 And so, yes, the commissioner wants to do a ribbon cutting on that project on the 20th.

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 >> I had someone ask me this on Saturday.

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 >> Yeah, please.

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 >> If OHL has any other projects in our community?

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 >> I want to say in the state.

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 So I'm so frustrated, I'm kind of so frustrated with OHL that there are 115 days or so

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 that are liquidated damages at $7,500 a day or whatever it is.

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 And they're going to go to mediation after this project is done,

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 which is done in some dark room in the Greer Building on the fourth floor

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 with people who don't care, right?

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 I'm going to be at that meeting because typically what happens is the headquarters

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 folks are pro-contractor and they just simply give, split the difference and

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 give the contractor back some of that time and we're talking millions of dollars.

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 And so I've told the district and I've told headquarters that when that mediation

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 comes, Denton County wants to be present in the room to make our case on why.

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 They should not only not get any leeway, but they should be penalized even worse.

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 But the state law does not allow for

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 the state of Texas to take into consideration previous

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 experience and work when they select a contractor.

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 It's only low bid, it's not lowest and best.

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 Like a lot of entities are able to do, it's just lowest.

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 So they could have toasted you in the last project.

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 And if they come in with a complete bid package that's lower than everybody else,

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 they'll get the job again.

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 >> Follow up question to that, I don't want to get too off topic but

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 since this is really affecting our community.

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 >> Absolutely. >> Should the city of Denton be in that room with you?

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 >> Yeah, sure, I think it would be great.

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 More the merrier, I'll take pre-ten.

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 >> Thank you.

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 >> Yeah, so that project has been critical, it's been impacted.

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 And Tech Start has tried at the Dallas district to do everything they can to

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 minimize the type of contractors like OHL and

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 MCM going forward getting with these jobs by trying to have tighter

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 specifications on the schedule, making sure the utilities are

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 more out of the way than normal, stuff like that.

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 So yeah, I mean, it's left a frustrating bitter taste to all of our mouths on us.

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 So yes, ma'am, I think that would be eminently doable.

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 Cuz I'm just doing it out of spite.

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 >> [LAUGH]

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 >> Last phone conversation I had with OHL,

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 they hung up on me cuz I called them a liar and a cheat and a crook.

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 So I haven't talked to them since.

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 >> Why do you sugar coat it?

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 >> Sir? >> Why do you sugar coat it when you talk

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 to them?

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 >> [LAUGH]

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 >> That was.

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 >> [LAUGH]

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 >> Okay, Mayhill project.

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 The schedule has moved a little bit from the May 21 to the February 22,

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 which I think is a good thing because it will give our traveling public some

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 freedom from construction between 288 and Mayhill.

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 The reason for that is the additional right of way that we need between Mayhill

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 and 288, it's taking a little bit longer than we thought.

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 And we also found a gap in the plans where there is a portion of the frontage

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 road, south by the frontage road from Brinker to Mayhill that was gonna remain

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 in the old two-lane configuration that's out there now as opposed to the three.

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 We called BS on that, so they're coming back, including the ultimate cross section

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 there, which for the Brinker signal, once we get the frontage roads to a three-lane

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 frontage road configuration, then Brian and Preetam will be able to do a little

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 bit more magic on that intersection to help the flow through Brinker.

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 It's a physical problem at this point.

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 So the schedule got moved a little bit because we added scope and

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 the right of way is becoming a little bit more difficult to get than we thought.

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 Okay, so we told you we were gonna combine the projects.

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 The merge project that you're now seeing includes going all the way up to 77.

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 The schedule you see is for that project.

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 And at any step along the way that we're able to expedite the schedule,

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 it will be expedited, which we'll talk about Bonnie Brain in a second,

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 cuz we had a very good conversation with the NPO last week, last week, with Michael.

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 >> So this passes Windsor, right, I don't know where Windsor is.

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 >> Windsor is around 380, is it just north of 380?

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 >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's way past it, yeah.

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 So, right, cuz the other project was 380 and north.

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 >> It goes just past the loop.

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 >> Yeah, yeah.

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 So I know we've brought this up before, I'll just bring it up again.

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 Cuz I see there's environmental approval back in last October, and

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 I don't remember us revisiting the topic of noise assessment.

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 Is that done as part of the environmental- >> Yes, sir, it is.

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 >> And then what did they conclude?

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 >> There's, I know where you're going.

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 There's no noise attenuation allowed or

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 recommended in and around that Windsor area for multiple reasons.

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 First is that they don't attenuate noise for commercial property.

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 So the adjacent property to the freeway in that area is commercial.

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 >> Well, you've got Westgate, Westgate area.

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 >> It's back.

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 >> The second is that when they did do the noise analysis for

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 that area, you have to have two criteria met.

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 It's gotta be feasible, reasonable, reasonable, feasible.

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 I don't remember, but they're interchangeable in their order, but

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 not in their meaning.

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 First one means that you have to be able to lower the noise five decibels from what

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 it is.

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 The second is that you have to be able to attenuate that noise at a forever

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 benefited receptor at less than or equal to $25,000.

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 So let's say you got five receptors.

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 Let's do four because I'm gonna text the math.

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 So you've got four receptors.

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 That means if you build a wall in that area, 14 feet tall or whatever,

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 you have to be able to build that structure for $100,000 or less.

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 So they may want attenuation, which is feasible.

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 And then if it's $170,000 to build a wall, it's not reasonable, and

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 the feds won't allow you to build it.

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 And they also will not allow the local governments to come in and

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 pay the difference, because then you violate what they call environmental justice.

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 >> Yes, I remember that conversation, that you can't do it just for some areas,

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 not for others.

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 But did they determine that it wouldn't be feasible?

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 Or that it wouldn't be reasonable?

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 Or just that they don't care about anybody who's more than 100 feet back?

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 >> Okay, so you're talking like me now, so.

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 >> [LAUGH] I think that's a compliment.

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 >> Yes, sir.

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 It's not that they don't care, it's that there is a state can't go beyond what

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 the feds require, because the feds apply it nationwide the same way.

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 And there is a 65 dB contour.

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 And I think you'll probably have received a letter in the last three or

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 four months from TechStop, because I know a lot of my other entities have.

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 It says that wherever the 65 dB contour inside,

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 wherever it's deemed reasonable and feasible,

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 the state's responsible for attenuation of noise.

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 Anything outside that 65 dB contour, it's somebody else's problem.

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 >> What determines, I don't quite get what determines the size of the system.

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 >> Right, exactly, so it's a range of things.

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 So you have a roadway.

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 The majority of the noise that comes off of a facility is where the,

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 literally the rubber meets the road.

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 So that creates a noise wave.

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 That wave goes out and dissipates over time and distance, and

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 when it hits impediments, whether it be a berm, shrubs,

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 screening wall, or a sand wall, but it dissipates.

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 And so it may be starting out at 85 dB where the rubber hits the road.

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 And if they go out, and they'll do noise analysis, checking.

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 And when it drops to 65 or less, they put a contour line.

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 And it then it moves, it could be 1,500 feet from the road.

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 It could be 500 feet from the road depending upon what's impeding the noise.

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 And they do a contour.

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 Anything inside the contour, if it meets those two criteria,

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 they'll come in and attenuate the noise.

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 If it doesn't meet those two criteria, they won't.

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 If there is a impact to a benefit receptor outside that 65 dB L contour.

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 Then it's either the counties, cities, or nobody's responsibility to take care of.

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 >> So you got, help me connect the dots here, please.

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 So you got neighbors that are clocking in the 80s, now.

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 Now, that's because conditions change since what they already built.

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 And I don't know who's responsible for that.

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 Maybe the answer is nobody, which is maybe we got to think about that from a policy

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 point of view.

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 But if it's clocking 85 now, I can't imagine it's going to get better.

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 >> Well, now there you go.

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 So that's, when I tell you the clocking of 85 now on that environmental clearance,

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 it's not on today's traffic, it's on that horizon.

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 So in this case, it's the 2040, 2045 traffic.

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 So what they do is they take the volume of traffic,

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 run it up to the elevation of where it will be in 20 years.

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 Take the noise that they know is there, I don't know how they do the model.

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 But it generates a higher impact than what is currently occurring now.

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 And then they attenuate and mitigate and address what the future issues will be.

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 Because in some cases, the future means the road is 70 feet closer to you than it

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 was before.

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 So they calculate that, so you've got more of an impact.

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 So they do all the analysis on the projected future ultimate improvement.

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 >> So if you're at 85 now, and it's going to be somewhere north of that in the future,

00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:03.760
 you're already beyond 65 dB.

00:19:03.760 --> 00:19:08.000
 >> Right, so that means that if you're, let's say you're at 85.

00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:14.200
 And they say it's going to go to 95, so that's a more than 5 dB increase, right?

00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:16.080
 And you are able to do so.

00:19:16.080 --> 00:19:20.280
 >> So they don't care about the increase, not the fact that it's how much above 65.

00:19:20.280 --> 00:19:27.920
 >> Right, so their argument is you're already used to 85, but you're not used to 92.

00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:28.480
 >> Yeah.

00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:32.320
 >> And if we can get 92, which is more than 5 above what it is now,

00:19:32.320 --> 00:19:38.920
 and down 5, then it's worth doing, if we can do it for $25,000 of benefited receptor.

00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:39.800
 >> So, okay.

00:19:39.800 --> 00:19:44.360
 >> Would you like to put an item on the agenda?

00:19:44.360 --> 00:19:47.320
 >> You get continuing education credits for this, by the way.

00:19:47.320 --> 00:19:49.040
 >> It's on topic so far.

00:19:49.040 --> 00:19:53.000
 >> Well, I mean, it sounds like it might be just a good presentation to have that we can

00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:55.240
 share with the general public.

00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:56.720
 >> Yeah, okay.

00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:01.520
 I'll take that as an advisor for future topics.

00:20:01.520 --> 00:20:06.840
 But I am interested in what remediation is available.

00:20:06.840 --> 00:20:11.000
 >> I got notified of this issue yesterday at the Transportation Forum.

00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:13.280
 And I knew I was coming here.

00:20:13.280 --> 00:20:18.720
 So I'm going, part of what my conversation at 11 o'clock will be is the same people

00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:20.960
 that I'm dealing with are the ones who brought this up.

00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:27.280
 So I'll get more detail on what the issues are, on how the environmental, what it said.

00:20:27.280 --> 00:20:36.760
 Because it'll say there'll be R1, R3, and R4, R5, and R6 are all benefited receptors.

00:20:36.760 --> 00:20:40.880
 They'll have a calculation on what the noise was, and what the continuation was,

00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:42.240
 and what the remediation was.

00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:45.960
 They'll have a whole list of specific details for

00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:49.160
 that specific neighborhood in that document.

00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:53.200
 And I will get that and analyze it.

00:20:53.200 --> 00:21:00.560
 >> So can something come back to us, when might you anticipate that?

00:21:00.560 --> 00:21:06.960
 >> I've done this 1,002 times, so I know exactly what you're asking and what you need.

00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:12.840
 And so I'll be ready the next time you want to talk about it.

00:21:12.840 --> 00:21:19.040
 >> Okay, and if anything comes up sooner to look at that I could share with constituents,

00:21:19.040 --> 00:21:25.600
 so it would be public, even put an ISR to get that, it wouldn't be in.

00:21:25.600 --> 00:21:27.240
 >> Yeah, okay, that'd be great.

00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:30.320
 >> All right, carry on.

00:21:30.320 --> 00:21:34.560
 >> So are we done with this one, I can't remember.

00:21:34.560 --> 00:21:38.440
 I won't move on anyway.

00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:44.560
 Okay, now your north segment has been broken into two additional segments.

00:21:44.560 --> 00:21:48.960
 And it's basically from 77 to 455.

00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:51.640
 And 455 to the county line.

00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:56.560
 And the reason they're doing that is because they don't want it to trigger any

00:21:56.560 --> 00:22:00.560
 design build or any special delivery method.

00:22:00.560 --> 00:22:04.880
 So they have to keep the dollar amounts below a certain number.

00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:06.920
 So they're splitting it.

00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:12.720
 Now it doesn't include 455, the interchange, because we're doing a project in the county

00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:22.680
 called FM455 from the high school in Sanger all the way west to 2440 or 2450.

00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:29.240
 And we're building the interchange because of the impact to the owners at the intersection

00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:31.320
 of 35 and 455.

00:22:31.320 --> 00:22:35.240
 We felt like we didn't want to run them through that meat grinder more than once.

00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:39.680
 So we're doing the interchange as part of the 455 job.

00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:47.480
 So there's actually three projects here, but for your purposes it's two.

00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:51.520
 And that's the schedule for both sections.

00:22:51.520 --> 00:22:56.120
 So they're on the same schedule, they're just gonna be left with different contractors

00:22:56.120 --> 00:23:01.800
 so that it stays under a certain dollar amount.

00:23:01.800 --> 00:23:04.920
 Okay, main lanes, let's go to the next one.

00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:11.600
 So this project is continuing to move forward with the schematic approval next month, which

00:23:11.600 --> 00:23:12.600
 is important.

00:23:12.600 --> 00:23:17.600
 But then in July, once we get this project environmentally cleared, that means that all

00:23:17.600 --> 00:23:22.920
 jurisdictions that are adjacent to our own part of that facility have the ability to

00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:26.520
 protect that corridor now from future development.

00:23:26.520 --> 00:23:33.720
 We have submitted it for clear lanes funding and we've had some pretty good success in

00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:38.240
 our clear lanes applications in the past, and we feel fairly confident that we will

00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:46.000
 get all our part of that request and we can start wherever we think is the most necessary

00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:53.480
 and both the veterinary office and the district thinks that generally speaking, if we started

00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:58.400
 anywhere it'd probably be in the northern segment because that's where all the development's

00:23:58.400 --> 00:23:59.400
 going.

00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:02.960
 So we're on track from the schedule standpoint because there's nothing to highlight it and

00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:08.120
 we're chasing clear lanes funds for that.

00:24:08.120 --> 00:24:18.120
 Okay, so the blue section, that's going to be moved to a, what does it say, June let.

00:24:18.120 --> 00:24:26.360
 So remember this was out in February of 2021 because the city's ready with the utilities,

00:24:26.360 --> 00:24:34.600
 all the other franchise utilities are ready, the right of way is cleared.

00:24:34.600 --> 00:24:42.440
 They're moving this project up into the 2020 fiscal year and letting it in June of 2020.

00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:49.200
 So you'll have 288, which will also then improve the intersection of 380 and 288 to solve some

00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:56.560
 of the problems we have that council member brought up about the turning, so that will

00:24:56.560 --> 00:24:59.400
 include improvements there.

00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:07.920
 So this project is advancing faster than the section to the east.

00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.440
 This is part of what I'm going to the district to talk about this afternoon.

00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:20.280
 So I've been noticing that the turn lane from 380 headed west onto the loop is continuously

00:25:20.280 --> 00:25:22.560
 getting backed up.

00:25:22.560 --> 00:25:27.360
 Is it possible or even talked about to have two lanes?

00:25:27.360 --> 00:25:31.040
 There already is two.

00:25:31.040 --> 00:25:32.040
 To turn left.

00:25:32.040 --> 00:25:35.040
 To turn left to go to like, because that's how I go to church on Sundays.

00:25:35.040 --> 00:25:39.200
 Turn left to go to the loop off of 380.

00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:40.200
 Oh, yeah.

00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:41.200
 My apologies.

00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:44.160
 Yeah, so it's all the traffic coming in.

00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:47.000
 Yeah, that'll be addressed with this project.

00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:48.000
 Okay.

00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:49.000
 Thank you.

00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:51.560
 I'm sorry.

00:25:51.560 --> 00:25:58.640
 Your transportation consultant has confusion in the direction.

00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:07.400
 So the blue section is the section east of 377, where, again, meeting with the Tech Stock

00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:16.880
 District this afternoon, we have an opportunity issue that we have to deal with, and there's

00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:24.480
 a town hall meeting coming up on Wednesday the 12th that Representative Jared Patterson

00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:25.480
 is hosting.

00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:31.520
 And so we're just making sure that he doesn't get too much of it wrong.

00:26:31.520 --> 00:26:35.120
 So we're trying to help him out on that.

00:26:35.120 --> 00:26:47.880
 But this project has got a May 20, 22, blood date, as I said, that says 21, 24, yeah, vanity.

00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:55.840
 So we're on track on this project, and the opportunity is going to be the critical path

00:26:55.840 --> 00:26:56.840
 item.

00:26:56.840 --> 00:27:03.960
 We may need all hands on deck to convince them to do the right thing.

00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:10.240
 Okay, so, look 288.

00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:14.200
 We are looking at having the spending done in March, and the environmental clearance

00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:15.200
 is September.

00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:22.080
 And I think he was on the phone call with Michael, and he kind of obliquely referenced

00:27:22.080 --> 00:27:29.200
 that he's going to go spring an idea on the district for the Outer Inner Loop, for the

00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:30.200
 Inner Outer Loop.

00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:37.000
 And he's now saying that he considers this part of the Outer Loop, which is good for

00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:44.760
 us, because we need the road, and if it has a greater good, then it'll help us not just

00:27:44.760 --> 00:27:46.600
 build the frontage roads, but the whole thing.

00:27:46.600 --> 00:27:51.960
 And so he's talking about his plan for the loop, starting the Outer Loop, starting here

00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:57.800
 at 24, 49, coming up around, making improvements to your section of 288 that you control by

00:27:57.800 --> 00:28:04.440
 permit, kicking off and taking your idea about 428, making it into a freeway, hit the Outer

00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:07.600
 Loop, and then cross all over Collin.

00:28:07.600 --> 00:28:13.600
 But in the interim, he's also talking about an Inner Loop between 380 and the Outer Loop

00:28:13.600 --> 00:28:14.600
 in between there.

00:28:14.600 --> 00:28:19.560
 And I don't know where that would be, but he's got something he's going to show somebody

00:28:19.560 --> 00:28:20.560
 at some point.

00:28:20.560 --> 00:28:26.080
 He hadn't showed us yet, so it's oblique at this point.

00:28:26.080 --> 00:28:30.360
 But it's putting a lot of beneficial pressure for funding on this job.

00:28:30.360 --> 00:28:38.240
 So as that flashes out, we'll be able to come back to you and give you more information

00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:44.660
 on those other jobs, but to tell you that it's having a positive impact on the funding

00:28:44.660 --> 00:28:50.120
 opportunities for 288.

00:28:50.120 --> 00:28:57.120
 How is it going with the, have you started on the right-of-way with this, with the gas

00:28:57.120 --> 00:28:58.120
 wells?

00:28:58.120 --> 00:29:00.080
 No, we won't be able to require the right-of-way until after environmental clearance.

00:29:00.080 --> 00:29:05.360
 Do you have an idea how many wells will be impacted by this?

00:29:05.360 --> 00:29:06.360
 I don't.

00:29:06.360 --> 00:29:07.920
 I can get that for you.

00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:12.960
 But as you can see, the time frame from when we get it cleared to when the right-of-way

00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:16.280
 acquisition is complete is about three and a half years.

00:29:16.280 --> 00:29:24.720
 So we're anticipating it being fairly nasty to acquire.

00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:28.880
 Because on the gas wells, it's not just a right-of-way acquisition.

00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:35.280
 It's right-of-way acquisition or utility relocation, all wrapped up in one, because the transmission

00:29:35.280 --> 00:29:37.840
 lines are what kill you out here.

00:29:37.840 --> 00:29:43.240
 The wells you can do pretty good, because we did do pretty good threading the needle,

00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:49.200
 but it's the transmission lines that are out there that are going to really put the whoop

00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:50.200
 on you.

00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:56.440
 So we know it's going to take a long time, but I think with this new impetus for the

00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:01.920
 greater good, that they'll put whatever resources they, and they'll bring in some, TexTot has

00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:10.080
 a right-of-way slash utility coordinator expert for the state of Texas that deals with, only

00:30:10.080 --> 00:30:20.740
 with, with Permian Basin, Barnett Shell, areas where the state is also extracting a lot of

00:30:20.740 --> 00:30:22.560
 natural resources out of the ground.

00:30:22.560 --> 00:30:26.680
 So we're bringing in the heavy hitters.

00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:37.280
 Okay, FM 1515, it's my understanding that TexTot and the county's consultants provided

00:30:37.280 --> 00:30:44.480
 your staff with all the files needed to overlay this project in this area because you have

00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:52.600
 the Wishbone 1515 and Bonnyberry all coming together, and it's a good thing we did because

00:30:52.600 --> 00:31:04.480
 the two state projects are off by one foot horizontally on their, on their alignments,

00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:10.680
 so it's a good thing we're checking our homework, but y'all's, y'all's is fine so far.

00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:14.840
 So this project continues to move on the schedule, there's no highlight in the schedule, so it's

00:31:14.840 --> 00:31:28.920
 still on track for December 2022, let's see, 1173, again, the reason there's a highlighted

00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:32.840
 schedule is because if you remember in our past reports, those were mostly asterisks

00:31:32.840 --> 00:31:38.000
 because it was just getting started, now we know that we're shooting for March 21, environmental

00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:42.600
 clearance, and then the rest of those dates are what we call sandbox dates, they're fairly

00:31:42.600 --> 00:31:48.400
 traditional timelines, and so sometime around the end of 23, the project should be ready

00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:49.400
 to let.

00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:57.840
 We are incorporating the tie-in of 1173 at its new location at Barthol Road in our 35

00:31:57.840 --> 00:32:07.040
 project that we talked about earlier, so it'll be constructive to accommodate that new alignment.

00:32:07.040 --> 00:32:13.720
 428 is part of that greater good I was talking to you about where it's going to be picking

00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:19.780
 up the loop on the west side of 35, making improvements physically, because right now

00:32:19.780 --> 00:32:27.680
 y'all control 288 by permit to be a controlled access facility, Michael's talking about coming

00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:31.240
 in and actually building the furnace roads, which will help that corridor then be able

00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:38.280
 to be viable, developable, developably, that's a word, I'm going to put it in.

00:32:38.280 --> 00:32:45.400
 Tell me a little bit about Michael Morrisack, he seems to be a branch of government.

00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:55.520
 You are correct, so you've got, in 1991, the feds allowed the regions, the metro areas,

00:32:55.520 --> 00:33:00.600
 to have some say in their transportation destiny, prior to that it was literally a tex dot's

00:33:00.600 --> 00:33:07.440
 way or the highway, right, a lot of people complained that the state didn't really take

00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:11.960
 local needs into consideration, there was a lot of environmental justice issues, so

00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:19.560
 in 1991, under the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act, affectionately known as ICT,

00:33:19.560 --> 00:33:25.000
 they injected power into an organization called the Metropolitan Planning Organization, which

00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:31.760
 has the authority or concurrence to make transportation decisions inside the metropolitan area boundary,

00:33:31.760 --> 00:33:35.520
 which covers ten counties in this area.

00:33:35.520 --> 00:33:40.160
 That authority was delegated to, the governor selected the North Central Texas Council of

00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:45.000
 Governments as the Metropolitan Planning Organization for North Texas, and then the North Central

00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:51.480
 Texas Council of Governments subceded that authority to an entity called the Regional

00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:53.640
 Transportation Council.

00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:59.460
 The Regional Transportation Council is a policy body, but it is made up of policy officials,

00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:05.720
 but it is underpinned by the transportation department staff at Cod.

00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:12.160
 The director of transportation for North Central Texas Council of Governments is Michael Morris,

00:34:12.160 --> 00:34:22.480
 who acts essentially as the city manager for the RTC, and because of the concurrence obligation

00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:32.440
 that the feds put on to the state, the MPO can have a significant role in telling the

00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:38.640
 text of our Metropolitan Planning Organization, which in this case is sub-allocated down to

00:34:38.640 --> 00:34:39.640
 RTC.

00:34:39.640 --> 00:34:40.640
 Cog, RTC.

00:34:40.640 --> 00:34:48.520
 So MPO, Cog, and RTC, Michael Morris, are all the same entity, for our purposes.

00:34:48.520 --> 00:34:52.800
 And he's staff, right, head staff.

00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:54.800
 Technically, he's staff.

00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.560
 Who's he accountable to, that he's accountable to?

00:34:57.560 --> 00:34:59.240
 The RTC policy.

00:34:59.240 --> 00:35:02.800
 So Councilman Ryan, what are his bosses?

00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:03.800
 Technically.

00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:10.680
 But he pretty much decides what he wants to do, brings it to RTC.

00:35:10.680 --> 00:35:16.400
 That's how it has tended to go, to the point where he's represented on one of your slides

00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:20.780
 as if he were an independent authority, but he's really, right, he's accountable.

00:35:20.780 --> 00:35:24.120
 He's not technically a one-man show.

00:35:24.120 --> 00:35:31.120
 He has to get everything that he does or wants to do validated by a policy body of the Regional

00:35:31.120 --> 00:35:32.120
 Transportation Council.

00:35:32.120 --> 00:35:33.120
 Okay.

00:35:33.120 --> 00:35:38.600
 And that council has got appointees from the various councils?

00:35:38.600 --> 00:35:41.120
 Forty-three, forty-four appointments.

00:35:41.120 --> 00:35:48.000
 Three or four of them are ex officio, for example, the two districts are there, the

00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:53.880
 DART and DCT are there, and they can vote, but they're not elected entities.

00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:55.640
 Everybody else around the table was elected.

00:35:55.640 --> 00:35:56.640
 Okay.

00:35:56.640 --> 00:35:59.360
 That's very helpful, I appreciate it.

00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:03.920
 So whenever you want to get something done in North Texas, you go into Fort Worth's side,

00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:08.560
 you go to Lowell Bussell, which is the Fort Worth District Engineer, and you go to Michael.

00:36:08.560 --> 00:36:14.240
 Whenever you want to get anything done in the East, you got to go to Moe Burr and Michael.

00:36:14.240 --> 00:36:20.560
 But you could conceivably have an issue with his choices of whether to partner or not to

00:36:20.560 --> 00:36:21.560
 partner.

00:36:21.560 --> 00:36:26.160
 You could conceivably get on the agenda for the governing body.

00:36:26.160 --> 00:36:27.160
 Concur.

00:36:27.160 --> 00:36:28.160
 The RTC.

00:36:28.160 --> 00:36:29.160
 Yes.

00:36:29.160 --> 00:36:30.160
 Okay.

00:36:30.160 --> 00:36:31.160
 Thank you.

00:36:31.160 --> 00:36:32.160
 I appreciate it.

00:36:32.160 --> 00:36:33.160
 Yes.

00:36:33.160 --> 00:36:37.120
 We have assisted and defeated Michael as needed over the years.

00:36:37.120 --> 00:36:38.920
 Thank you.

00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:50.600
 So the 428 project is in the system now as a limited-access facility, and what the RTC's

00:36:50.600 --> 00:36:56.600
 staff is saying, Michael's saying is, is that we need to consider moving forward on this

00:36:56.600 --> 00:37:02.440
 now as opposed to later because, remember, 380 is a horrible nightmare for everybody

00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:03.440
 that drives it.

00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:09.440
 And so the outer loop is not a solution to the problem on 380.

00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:14.920
 It's a solution to the future growth of that corridor.

00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.280
 So he's looking at this holistically.

00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.200
 He's got two counties, Denton and Collin.

00:37:20.200 --> 00:37:23.120
 We already got our act together on 380.

00:37:23.120 --> 00:37:26.360
 Collin County still doesn't know where their 380 is going to go, whether it goes through

00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:31.080
 McKinney or around it as a bypass.

00:37:31.080 --> 00:37:35.160
 And looking at it individually doesn't work.

00:37:35.160 --> 00:37:40.160
 So he's saying we're going to bring all the kids into the room and we're going to have

00:37:40.160 --> 00:37:41.160
 an adult conversation.

00:37:41.160 --> 00:37:42.160
 Question for you.

00:37:42.160 --> 00:37:43.160
 Yeah.

00:37:43.160 --> 00:37:49.000
 Do we need to have a separate one for the loop 288 frontage roads, or is this all going

00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:50.000
 to be connected?

00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:55.200
 Because I remember that we separated the other side of the loop from the frontage roads,

00:37:55.200 --> 00:37:59.040
 and now it's kind of expanded into this larger project.

00:37:59.040 --> 00:38:03.720
 Well, so we really don't know, I mean, Councilman, you were on the phone, weren't you, with Michael?

00:38:03.720 --> 00:38:04.720
 Yeah.

00:38:04.720 --> 00:38:09.200
 We really don't know what he's concocting other than what we're, we're just assuming,

00:38:09.200 --> 00:38:12.200
 based on his words, how that would work.

00:38:12.200 --> 00:38:18.800
 So I don't know that we know enough to, anything we tell you would be lied, and we just don't

00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:19.800
 know it.

00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.320
 So at this point we don't know, and he told us to stand by.

00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:28.600
 Basically what he wants to do is go talk to Mo, because this is all in the Dallas district.

00:38:28.600 --> 00:38:29.600
 Yeah.

00:38:29.600 --> 00:38:30.600
 About his plan.

00:38:30.600 --> 00:38:36.480
 If he gets them to say, "Okay," then he's going to come back to the cities, and pitch

00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.480
 his pitch to us.

00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:39.480
 Okay.

00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:41.880
 And at that point we'll know what to report.

00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:42.880
 Okay.

00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:43.880
 Thank you.

00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:44.880
 Okay.

00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:56.000
 In that same conversation, Todd Estes did a very good job of communicating to Michael

00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:03.040
 why Bonnie Bray needs to happen sooner than later because of the improvements on 35, and

00:39:03.040 --> 00:39:10.320
 it also included the fact that we haven't gotten textile to buy on this segment.

00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:19.560
 And he doubled down again saying that he was frustrated that the district hadn't been more

00:39:19.560 --> 00:39:26.280
 aggressive in supporting this section and that he was going to go attempt to change

00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:29.280
 their attitude.

00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:37.800
 So now that Todd's here, is this the section that recently was highlighted in the newspaper

00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:41.680
 that said there was a story and it was the first time the residents were hearing about

00:39:41.680 --> 00:39:44.200
 the extension, or is this different, like farther out?

00:39:44.200 --> 00:39:45.200
 This is Bonnie Bray.

00:39:45.200 --> 00:39:46.200
 You don't need to...

00:39:46.200 --> 00:39:47.200
 Farther out.

00:39:47.200 --> 00:39:51.440
 Are you referring to the residents once in the public meeting?

00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:52.440
 Yes.

00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:53.440
 Is this the same segment?

00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:58.600
 It's the same segment, the segment you see in blue, the phase six, not the one up there

00:39:58.600 --> 00:39:59.600
 in the green.

00:39:59.600 --> 00:40:00.600
 Oh, okay.

00:40:00.600 --> 00:40:01.600
 Take your coat off.

00:40:01.600 --> 00:40:02.600
 Relax.

00:40:02.600 --> 00:40:03.600
 Stay walking.

00:40:03.600 --> 00:40:04.600
 Yeah.

00:40:04.600 --> 00:40:08.480
 So the segment in blue, the reason we're not covering that is because that's already got

00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:14.920
 a commitment from COG, and we're already submitting tip mods and updates and all that to them.

00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:20.640
 So that's already, for lack of a better word, put to bed.

00:40:20.640 --> 00:40:21.640
 Financially speaking.

00:40:21.640 --> 00:40:25.880
 Just a comment on that section in blue, 'cause some of the residents or the people that live

00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:28.880
 there are wondering about the design of that.

00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:33.360
 So is that something through the city that we'll continue to work with, or since it's

00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:34.360
 already...

00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:35.360
 Yes.

00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:41.080
 So to clarify, the intent of that public meeting, it was to meet the environmental clearance

00:40:41.080 --> 00:40:45.120
 requirements we're required to go through to get federal or state funding, especially

00:40:45.120 --> 00:40:46.120
 federal funding.

00:40:46.120 --> 00:40:48.560
 And part of that is the public outreach process.

00:40:48.560 --> 00:40:54.160
 We go early in the process to just get people to understand there is a project coming through.

00:40:54.160 --> 00:41:00.760
 We have not set by any stretch or the imagination at that point where the road was gonna go,

00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:06.440
 opportunity to make adjustments are absolutely there, but it, by the environmental clearance

00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:11.640
 requirements that the federal overlaws put us against, or at least the requirements they

00:41:11.640 --> 00:41:17.040
 put against us to go do these things in their prescribed manner to get funding, that's the

00:41:17.040 --> 00:41:18.800
 pathway we had to go down.

00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:22.560
 So it wasn't that we were trying to scare people into, "Hey, we're taking your property,"

00:41:22.560 --> 00:41:27.480
 it was absolutely a, "This is the project, current alignment shows that it may impact

00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:32.320
 you in this way, but then we will be coming back to visit with you personally once we

00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:34.200
 get to the environmental clearance phase."

00:41:34.200 --> 00:41:39.180
 So this is that scenario, I tell you, where there's two types of meetings or processes

00:41:39.180 --> 00:41:43.960
 the state has, one that's meaningful and the other one's a box check.

00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:48.800
 The one that's meaningful are these early on public meetings where the entities involved

00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:54.440
 with the project are truly reaching out to the public to say, "Here's what we think.

00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:55.440
 What do you think?"

00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:59.560
 And we still have time to take what you say and make appropriate adjustments.

00:41:59.560 --> 00:42:03.560
 At the end of the project where you have an environmental clearance and you have a public

00:42:03.560 --> 00:42:10.040
 hearing at the end of the job, that's when it doesn't matter what you say, that's a box

00:42:10.040 --> 00:42:12.800
 to be checked and they're moving on.

00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:14.640
 So this is the meaningful time.

00:42:14.640 --> 00:42:19.360
 So anybody that's got concerns about running the bridge and what they may or may not do,

00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:23.640
 now is the time to funnel those people to pretend.

00:42:23.640 --> 00:42:31.060
 Well, just on that, I know I don't want to get too way off, but taking the median out

00:42:31.060 --> 00:42:35.960
 or reducing the median so that there's less impact to the homeowners is the one comment

00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:36.960
 that I've heard.

00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:45.280
 Just to explain something we can take a look at, the harsh part about taking a median out

00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:50.520
 is that effectively you've built essentially a three lane road instead of a four lane road

00:42:50.520 --> 00:42:56.180
 because the inside lanes then become turn lanes and it has a tendency to clog everything

00:42:56.180 --> 00:43:02.280
 up as opposed to, we could actually look at a narrow median, but it would still have to

00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:07.280
 flare out where the left turns were required.

00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:08.280
 Sure.

00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:09.280
 Thank you.

00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:17.560
 And so just to add a little bit to that color, we did some work with Little M ISD on their

00:43:17.560 --> 00:43:25.160
 middle school and the MPO was funding part of that project as well and initially Little

00:43:25.160 --> 00:43:37.000
 M was planning on doing a center flush median and the MPO was very adamant about having

00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:45.240
 there be a raised facility to channel turning movements because it's safer in and around

00:43:45.240 --> 00:43:50.960
 the school as well, so that may be another thing that they have to look at.

00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:57.600
 And I believe, other than my glossary, I think I'm done.

00:43:57.600 --> 00:44:06.560
 Last question, because it may take another presentation, but the UTP there, the glossary,

00:44:06.560 --> 00:44:13.060
 we learned at the Dallas Regional that there's proposed changes, and so we may need to come

00:44:13.060 --> 00:44:20.280
 back or just have on that and if we need to from this body or council talk about that

00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:25.560
 any further, the funding change category, clear lanes is getting zero, and then the

00:44:25.560 --> 00:44:26.560
 discretionary.

00:44:26.560 --> 00:44:29.200
 Okay, so I can do a 30-second for you real quick.

00:44:29.200 --> 00:44:30.200
 Okay.

00:44:30.200 --> 00:44:34.000
 At the last transportation commission, so the unified transportation, I was lying about

00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:40.560
 the 30 seconds, it's going to be longer, you have a 10-year plan, it's called the unified

00:44:40.560 --> 00:44:46.440
 transportation plan, and then you have a let schedule, which is the first two years

00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:51.560
 of that, and then you have a TIP or STIP, which is the transportation improvement program,

00:44:51.560 --> 00:44:56.720
 which is the first four, including those two that have let dates that are hard.

00:44:56.720 --> 00:45:01.880
 Every year, they come back and they say, "Okay, this is what we thought we were going to have

00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:07.240
 as a budget because of Prop 1 and Prop 7, and here's now what we know we have for the

00:45:07.240 --> 00:45:09.840
 next 10 years for these 12 categories."

00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:16.360
 In this particular case, it dropped by $3.5 billion because of Prop 1 and 7.

00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:23.760
 And so what the commission did is they held all of their accounts at the current $20.20

00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:32.480
 dollar amount for 2021, and so all of the $3.2 billion in anticipated reduction in revenue,

00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:37.760
 they're taking out a category two, which is your MPO federal dollars, and then category

00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:45.000
 four region, and category four urban, which is your connectivity that the state uses for

00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:50.560
 on system projects, so they're basically taking all of the shortfall, anticipated shortfall,

00:45:50.560 --> 00:45:55.840
 for the next three years out of the urban metro areas.

00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:02.240
 And so that conversation was at the peak of its intensity yesterday and the day before

00:46:02.240 --> 00:46:06.640
 because that was the transportation forum, and so the commission's starting to get to

00:46:06.640 --> 00:46:11.120
 hear that that's not a great idea, and that's probably what the RMC is talking about.

00:46:11.120 --> 00:46:20.340
 But every year in August or September, they start the new year process.

00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:25.280
 They have until the end of January, which is already passed, obviously, to submit your

00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:33.520
 projects that you want to be considered, and then by June, the commission does a draft

00:46:33.520 --> 00:46:37.040
 presentation of what that is, and by July, they approve it.

00:46:37.040 --> 00:46:42.920
 It's not a 10-year plan like if you're not in the 10-year plan and you submit a project,

00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.400
 you end up in year 11.

00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:46.580
 It's a horse race, right?

00:46:46.580 --> 00:46:52.640
 So your project may be in year two now, but it's slowing down in the next UTP 10-year

00:46:52.640 --> 00:46:53.640
 plan.

00:46:53.640 --> 00:46:55.080
 It may be in year nine.

00:46:55.080 --> 00:46:57.200
 Your project is a new horse.

00:46:57.200 --> 00:46:58.200
 It comes in.

00:46:58.200 --> 00:46:59.200
 It's not going to be in year 11.

00:46:59.200 --> 00:47:02.520
 It may be in year three because it's that much faster.

00:47:02.520 --> 00:47:08.720
 So not only is it an add-on, a new year, adjust the categories based on what their anticipated

00:47:08.720 --> 00:47:15.000
 budget is, but then it's a reshuffling of all the horses inside the pack, depending

00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.200
 upon how fast they're running.

00:47:17.200 --> 00:47:20.000
 So I just wondered if any of our projects--

00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:21.980
 And I've got visuals so I can show you on the line.

00:47:21.980 --> 00:47:22.980
 Yeah.

00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:27.080
 If any of our projects would be gone through or would be affected, that's my question for

00:47:27.080 --> 00:47:28.080
 you.

00:47:28.080 --> 00:47:29.080
 Not a chance.

00:47:29.080 --> 00:47:30.080
 No?

00:47:30.080 --> 00:47:31.080
 No.

00:47:31.080 --> 00:47:32.080
 Okay.

00:47:32.080 --> 00:47:33.080
 All right.

00:47:33.080 --> 00:47:34.080
 Thank you.

00:47:34.080 --> 00:47:35.080
 Great.

00:47:35.080 --> 00:47:39.680
 Thank you, as always, for the great update and for your spirited advocacy at all times.

00:47:39.680 --> 00:47:42.200
 And my brief salary?

00:47:42.200 --> 00:47:43.200
 Deserved.

00:47:43.200 --> 00:47:51.960
 So we'll move on to-- I'll move back to item B, Receiver Report and Hold the Discussion

00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:53.880
 regarding updates from the CTA.

00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:57.840
 We've got Lindsay and Jenny for order to call.

00:47:57.840 --> 00:47:58.840
 Good morning.

00:47:58.840 --> 00:47:59.840
 Good morning.

00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:04.520
 Thank you all so much for having us today.

00:48:04.520 --> 00:48:08.400
 As the Chairman said, Lindsay Baker, Director of Strategic Partnerships with DCTA, and I'm

00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:12.840
 here on behalf of Nicole Recker, our Vice President of the Marketing Administration, and we also

00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:18.840
 have Troy Rayleigh here, who is over our operations, and he is our technical guru here.

00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:22.840
 So if you have any questions related to service parameters and things originally met, I'd

00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:23.840
 be happy to step in.

00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:26.840
 Just have a very brief update for you today.

00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:30.840
 I know when Nicole's here next month, we'll have a much more thorough update on everything

00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:33.840
 that we've got going on, because it's quite a bit.

00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:38.840
 I just wanted to let you all know that we did complete the 19-mile A train rail trail

00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:45.840
 at the end of December, and the final construction phase of that, it was a piece that connected

00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:52.840
 the Highland Village, Lewisville Lake Station to the Old Town area in downtown Lewisville.

00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:57.840
 That actually provides a full connectivity from the DTC all the way to Hebron Station

00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.840
 in Lewisville, so that's really exciting.

00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:05.840
 And then the timing was great on that, because the COG also named us the Trail of the Month

00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:06.840
 in January.

00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:12.840
 They produced a wonderful video on the trail, interviewed Judge Eads and some other community

00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:13.840
 stakeholders for that.

00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:18.840
 So if you've not seen that, happy to send that to staff to share that with you.

00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:22.840
 And then just a quick save the date.

00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:23.840
 Yes, please.

00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:24.840
 I'll post it.

00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:26.840
 Okay, wonderful.

00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:31.840
 And then on April 18th, we will be hosting a Rails to Trails event in honor of National

00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:33.840
 Opening Day for Trails.

00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:37.840
 I know that we are working closely with the city as well as the other communities along

00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:39.840
 the corridor to make that a successful event.

00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:44.840
 As we get more information firmed up on that, I'm sure we'll be sharing that.

00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:50.840
 Also, just briefly, the Monsignor King shuttle that's going between Monsignor King and our

00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:51.840
 Daily Bread.

00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:52.840
 Very successful.

00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.840
 It's been operating since when, Troy?

00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:56.840
 January.

00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:59.840
 January, so about 14 days now.

00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:01.840
 We have two routes currently.

00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:06.840
 One that departs at 8.50 and one that departs at 9.15 a.m.

00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:15.840
 The first shuttle has 474 as the ridership and then the second at 9.15 has five.

00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:21.840
 So with Monsignor King closing at 8.45 a.m., it's pretty clear where that ridership is

00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:27.840
 needed most and so I think we'll continue to evaluate the need and identify what the

00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.840
 best path forward is for that particular service.

00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:37.840
 So with that, I'm happy to answer any questions and take any feedback back to the city.

00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:39.840
 Two questions.

00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:44.840
 One about the Bonnie Bray stop is still closed.

00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:48.840
 And I think last time we met there was like, oh, well, we are going to talk about that

00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:53.840
 and we're checking on the buses or the roundabout or something and then I drove by and it's

00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:57.840
 still closed and so I'm wondering when that's going to be able to open and is it going to

00:50:57.840 --> 00:50:58.840
 reopen?

00:50:58.840 --> 00:50:59.840
 It is.

00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:00.840
 March 16th.

00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:05.840
 We have to do our schedule changes and define intervals and that is going to be a schedule

00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:08.840
 change because the path has changed.

00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:13.840
 So that is in the queue to take effect right after spring break.

00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:17.840
 So will the current stops be the same stops or will they be?

00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:18.840
 Yes, they'll be.

00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:21.840
 Everything will go right back to the way it was originally.

00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:23.840
 But it's going to take?

00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:25.840
 Yes, to March 16th.

00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:33.840
 The last thing is when I was at the DRMC, Dart did an update and they said they just

00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:40.840
 recently got $49,000 in grant funding for human trafficking training and I asked or

00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:46.840
 would like to see if DCTA could apply for something like that and do the trainings here

00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:49.840
 for our operators.

00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:58.840
 And it's for trainings and I think also an event awareness.

00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:03.840
 I will absolutely take that back and we'll do some research on that.

00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:04.840
 Okay.

00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:05.840
 Thank you.

00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:06.840
 Anything else?

00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:07.840
 Anyone else?

00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:09.840
 Thank you very much for coming.

00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:10.840
 Thank you so much.

00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.840
 Thank you for your patience and letting yourself be booted and waiting for 50 minutes.

00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:19.840
 It's always good to hear from John.

00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:22.840
 Well, he's always there for me.

00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:23.840
 Okay.

00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:24.840
 Welcome to IMC.

00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:27.840
 We received an updated report on the discussion regarding initiatives to reduce wrong way

00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:28.840
 driving.

00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:29.840
 Good morning, everybody.

00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:30.840
 Good morning.

00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:45.840
 All right.

00:52:45.840 --> 00:53:01.840
 Sorry while I fumble around to make this wide screen.

00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:06.840
 I'm Haley Salazar, traffic engineering department, here to discuss initiatives to reduce wrong

00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:08.840
 way driving on one way street.

00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:09.840
 Thank you.

00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:10.840
 Here we go.

00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:11.840
 All right.

00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:18.840
 And as a reminder, I'm discussing this initiative today because this initiative was one that

00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:21.840
 we did not get credit for satisfying when we submitted the policy bundle.

00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:26.840
 And so the committee asked us to take a look at the ones we did not get credit for to see

00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:28.840
 if there were any that we should be pursuing.

00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:33.840
 And this initiative stood out not only because of the prudence of the matter, but also we're

00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:38.840
 actually implementing a lot of the countermeasures to reduce wrong way driving already.

00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:42.840
 It's just not in a formal program.

00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:47.840
 And so when wrong way driving occurs, it can be particularly dangerous.

00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:52.840
 And I know speaking for myself, in the 17 years I've been a resident of Denton, I've

00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:56.840
 seen more than one wrong way driver near the UNT campus.

00:53:56.840 --> 00:54:04.840
 I've seen a clockwise tour of the square, wrong way driving on Elm and Locust as well.

00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:09.840
 But luckily, any time I've seen it, the driver is self-corrected.

00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:14.840
 And most of the time, that's what happens, which is really good because when they don't,

00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:17.840
 that's when we run into the possibility of a wrong way crash.

00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:20.840
 It's a particularly dangerous type of crash.

00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:26.840
 And unfortunately, Texas leads the nation in wrong way driving crashes, followed by Florida

00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:28.840
 and then California.

00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:31.840
 So these are typically head-on collisions, and they're the most fatal because if you

00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:38.840
 have two cars going 30 miles an hour, you now have an impact speed of a 60 mile an hour crash.

00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:43.840
 Most of these crashes occur at night, between 6 and 6, with a small window between midnight

00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:45.840
 to 3 a.m.

00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:48.840
 Most, over half, occur on the weekends.

00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:56.840
 Most involve alcohol, and there's an over-representation of drivers under 25 and over 70.

00:54:56.840 --> 00:55:02.840
 So all that considered, we take this very seriously, and what we want to do is first

00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:07.840
 figure out what are our target roads where we need to implement these countermeasures.

00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:09.840
 And so a lot of us think of the roads I've already mentioned.

00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:14.840
 The roads around the square, Hickory, Elm, Locust, Oak.

00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:18.840
 We also want to take a look at our on-ramps and service roads, and then our larger,

00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:20.840
 median divided one-way roads.

00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:25.840
 Those are going to be like 288, Teasley, Carroll, and so on.

00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:30.840
 We already have all of those roads identified in GIS, so we know where we need to go.

00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:35.840
 Now we just need to identify the particular locations that are vulnerable for someone

00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:39.840
 entering the wrong way, and implement our countermeasures.

00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:41.840
 So first up is a countermeasure.

00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:43.840
 We have signage available.

00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:45.840
 There are two types of signages we can pursue.

00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.840
 The static signage is a traditional signage that we're all used to seeing.

00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:51.840
 These are not cost prohibitive.

00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:57.840
 The cost of printing, which we can do in-house and installation, is about $70 a sign.

00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:00.840
 So we can put these just about wherever they're needed.

00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:03.840
 The flashing signages are really neat.

00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:05.840
 They're LED, edulite signages.

00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.840
 They are very noticeable.

00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:09.840
 They are a bit cost prohibitive.

00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:11.840
 They're about $1,800.

00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:16.840
 And that is, we're working with about $140,000 signage budget at the moment.

00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:21.840
 So about $140,000 a year.

00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:27.840
 And so that said, we do have to be very careful with choosing the flashing signage.

00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:35.840
 But at very key locations, it can be an incredible tool to mitigate wrong way driving.

00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:38.840
 The next tool available is the raised pavement marking.

00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:40.840
 And we have these all over town.

00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:43.840
 Not everybody knows, though, that if you drive the right way,

00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:46.840
 they illuminate the road and glow that bright white.

00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:49.840
 And if you go the wrong way, it glows red.

00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:53.840
 So if you haven't noticed it, take a look when you're driving in your rear-view mirror,

00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:55.840
 not in front of you because you're going the right way.

00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:58.840
 But take a look and see, and they glow red behind you.

00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:03.840
 And we can look at other areas where we can put this in addition to what we already have.

00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:04.840
 Councilmember Briggs.

00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:09.840
 Yeah, I think that just this or something for our social media, like "did you know" kind of thing.

00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:16.840
 And that way people understand that if they see red, they need to do something different.

00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:17.840
 Yeah, turn around.

00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:18.840
 Turn around, yeah.

00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:23.840
 I mean, I obviously don't drive the wrong way because I didn't know this.

00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:26.840
 But it's very, very informative.

00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:31.840
 And it would be helpful so that if they know they do see it, then do something different.

00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:33.840
 And are we sure that all of ours do this?

00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:34.840
 Okay.

00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:36.840
 Yeah, take a look when you're driving.

00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:41.840
 I didn't know until I did this, and I looked and it was kind of like, wow, they're everywhere.

00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:43.840
 This is a really powerful tool.

00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:46.840
 When the knowledge is presented, you're right.

00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:52.840
 I'd like to suggest that mostly people look at the windshield more than in the rear-view mirror.

00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:57.840
 And I'd also like to say that if you think that flashing "wrong way" signs are a quote really mean,

00:57:57.840 --> 00:57:59.840
 you are a transportation nerd now.

00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:00.840
 Okay, share.

00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:03.840
 All of it.

00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:08.840
 Another thing, though, that's really neat about these rave pavement markings is they're not cost prohibitive.

00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:12.840
 They're only about $8 at the maximum to install.

00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:13.840
 And in-house --

00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:14.840
 Per dot or --

00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:15.840
 Per dot.

00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:18.840
 But in-house, we can install them at around $1.50.

00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:22.840
 So this is very readily available.

00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.840
 And another countermeasure that we have is the pavement markings.

00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:26.840
 I'm sorry.

00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:27.840
 Just a question.

00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:28.840
 We already have them?

00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:34.840
 Because we have them in some places where we can look.

00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:37.840
 But there are places where we don't have them where we could install them.

00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:38.840
 There are.

00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:42.840
 So right now, most of the roads that are going to be striped are larger roads.

00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:43.840
 We do have them.

00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:49.840
 So, for example, driving down University, you can take a look and see these markers in other places as well.

00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:57.840
 But there are smaller streets where we don't necessarily have the raised pavement markings, but we could put them.

00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:02.840
 Do we have them on Elm and Locust and Oak and Hickory?

00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:04.840
 Is there a text on that?

00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:06.840
 We'll have to check into that one because it's --

00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:07.840
 Textile roads currently.

00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:10.840
 Textile roadways are slightly different the way they are.

00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:12.840
 And those two are ready to be resurfaced.

00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:16.840
 So I'm not sure if textiles maintain that.

00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:17.840
 Very ready.

00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:19.840
 But we're also having conversations about taking them back.

00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:20.840
 Correct.

00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:22.840
 And so we have, once they're done, opportunity to --

00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:23.840
 To redo them.

00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:24.840
 Absolutely.

00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:25.840
 Correct.

00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:26.840
 Thank you.

00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:33.840
 And then finally, we can also mark the pavement.

00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:41.840
 So in this photo, you can see with this white car, we've got a directional arrow striped indicating wrong way.

00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:42.840
 Don't enter.

00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:43.840
 We have paint truck.

00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:53.840
 And so we've got the capability to do striping as well as some other pavement markings with our push cart to indicate wrong way as well.

00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:59.840
 So we have a variety of tools at our disposal to clearly help reduce wrong way driving.

00:59:59.840 --> 01:00:12.840
 And so what our recommendation is, is that we go ahead and adopt a proactive wrong way driving prevention program, which is taking all these tools and just formalizing a strategy of attack to implement these measures.

01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:14.840
 And we do want to use a variety of measures.

01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:17.840
 Different measures are appropriate for different situations.

01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:21.840
 So that will be the signage, pavement markings, and the RPMs.

01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:27.840
 And then we do, of course, need to be cognizant of our budget and take a cost-effective approach.

01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:33.840
 So that would be mixing the static signage and the LED edge load signage.

01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:35.840
 Comments?

01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:37.840
 Couple of questions.

01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:39.840
 I think that's good.

01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:43.840
 What would constitute making a program?

01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:47.840
 Would there be council action you'd like to do, like a resolution or something?

01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:57.840
 I think that will be something we'll see coming as part of our budget package this year as a defined program for increased budget to address these issues.

01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:17.840
 We currently are on a, like Brian and Haley ran the numbers, if you look at what the life cycle costs or the life cycle replacement time frame would be for signs and markings today, we're budgeted to replace all the city markings in 31, 39 years.

01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:19.840
 Every 30 something years.

01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:31.840
 Yeah. So to give you an idea, pavement markings and striping especially, it has a two to five year lifespan depending on where it is, how much traffic is taking on it.

01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:37.840
 Of course, all of these elements, both signs and RPMs, pavement markings, they get hit by traffic.

01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:41.840
 They're left out in the sun to bake throughout most of the year.

01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:53.840
 So you've got issues and challenges and we're just not staffed right now to be able to move that needle into a three or a five or a seven year return so that we're replacing those markings more consistently.

01:01:53.840 --> 01:02:03.840
 The budget just doesn't currently support that, but historically we've not really had a program built to be able to bring the council to say, here's what it would cost to move that needle and where do we go.

01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:11.840
 We do anticipate bringing that with the next budget cycle to council for consideration and show you what would those programs look like.

01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:21.840
 Is there a crossover between this, because I know that the bundle, this is good, but is there a crossover with this right away and road to zero?

01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:24.840
 Division zero. Division zero. Yeah, there is.

01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:30.840
 Okay. So I mean it can, it can help in. It is one of the elements that will help us get into that vision zero.

01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:31.840
 Okay.

01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:48.840
 You definitely see, especially on larger roadways but wide medians that are not well lit, you do see wrong way driving where people try to turn left down the wrong pathway for a variety of reasons and that ends up creating this fatality so that vision zero is targeted and correct.

01:02:48.840 --> 01:03:03.840
 Do we, if I'm correct, we talked in this presentation about state fatality, fatalities and collisions. Do we have that data for denting too or did we just see it and it didn't register on me?

01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:06.840
 It was not in the presentation, but I can absolutely pull that out.

01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:23.840
 I just think it would help make the case, right? And then, you know, it also occurred to me when you showed the map of all the one-way streets and the ramps, you know, if we, if the numbers are significant, as I fear they may be, you know, to map those fatalities onto those intersections, right?

01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:37.840
 So, you know, create a rationale and for what you want to spend where. Sure need it, you know, like it or love it, that's what Mayor Portem likes to say.

01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:42.840
 You know, we have a lot of one-way streets, you know, this makes a lot of sense.

01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:43.840
 Thank you so much.

01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:45.840
 Thank you.

01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:53.840
 Okay. Let's do on-system projects again.

01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:55.840
 Yeah.

01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:57.840
 Okay, I can use staff reports.

01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:16.840
 So, let's see. I'm going to bring in the matrix. I want to start cleaning up the portions of it if we can.

01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:30.840
 So, I'm sorry.

01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:38.840
 Okay, so one of the things I want to point out, I think these starting items are mostly related to the mobility plan. I want to leave them in.

01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:46.840
 But the walk time, I think we've made the changes, so if we increase it, I'd like to take that one out.

01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:51.840
 The next one would be item A, we've talked to TxDOT, they've added some of the signage.

01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:56.840
 But one of the things that we're expediting is the signal.

01:04:56.840 --> 01:05:07.840
 So, what we've done is from our project for the Hickory Creek widening on the east side, we've pulled the actual signal work out of the project.

01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:18.840
 We're going to get it done with the ability of our contractor that we have for signals sooner than wait for the contractor to go ahead and widen and then add the signal.

01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:23.840
 So, we're planning on getting the signal work started next month.

01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:32.840
 And that's why I wanted to see if we can take this out because we kind of have a plan in place and we'll be addressing it if you don't mind.

01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:41.840
 I'd like to leave it on there just so that we can, because you're still looking at four months before that signal is up and operational.

01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:46.840
 We're trying to get it before that. We're better than TxDOT's schedule.

01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:50.840
 Well, I'm looking at what you've got going on on Oak Street.

01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:52.840
 No, okay, we'll leave it.

01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:55.840
 And because you're in the springtime, the weather related.

01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:56.840
 It is weather related.

01:05:56.840 --> 01:06:01.840
 If we can get some rumble strips down there, it would be extremely helpful.

01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:03.840
 The market is better, but it's...

01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:17.840
 That was the issue is in talking to TxDOT, we haven't had any good days that they can actually deploy their crews to put any of their signs and markings on the street because of the conditions.

01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:31.840
 But that one ended there. Number nine, we wanted some clarification on what exactly, because we got that, yeah, there's some TxDOT and I-35 issue, but we don't know exactly what we're looking for.

01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:34.840
 If we can get any additional information, that would be helpful.

01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:36.840
 Yeah, well, I think it was addressed last time.

01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:37.840
 Okay.

01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:43.840
 Yeah, and I think also there was something that had the councilman put in in the request as well.

01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:46.840
 I think it's all the same issue that was in the Friday report.

01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:47.840
 It was a confusing signage.

01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:48.840
 Yeah.

01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:51.840
 And is that addressed or will it be selected?

01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:52.840
 Okay.

01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:54.840
 So I'll probably take this one.

01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:57.840
 We are working consistently on the policy bender.

01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:00.840
 I don't know if you want to leave it or we're one item at a time.

01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:03.840
 I see you doing it, you know, but maybe it's working then.

01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:04.840
 It is working.

01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:06.840
 It's probably not doing it.

01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:07.840
 What's next?

01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:08.840
 Great presentation today.

01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:10.840
 It's coming.

01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:12.840
 Did you hear the question? What's next?

01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:16.840
 We haven't thought about it.

01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:17.840
 So we should leave it then.

01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:18.840
 Yeah, absolutely.

01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:20.840
 No sale.

01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:24.840
 We are working on item 11 that should be in for next meeting.

01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:28.840
 And then as I mentioned, there are a couple items that we're looking at for next meeting.

01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:32.840
 I think it would be a good segue into the main event.

01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:36.840
 I think Mark will have some feedback on this event.

01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:39.840
 And then we're currently working on the last one.

01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:46.840
 Are there any new ones that you want us to add or look at?

01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:53.840
 This may be for concluding items or to go on.

01:07:53.840 --> 01:07:57.840
 I just have a couple here that I was curious about.

01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:04.840
 I'd like an update or to check on the status for the cutout design for Forest Ridge.

01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:07.840
 I know that that was getting it repaved was part of it,

01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:15.840
 but this committee also wanted to see more options on reducing the median size.

01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:21.840
 And we talked about that a little bit like for future and during our last conversation.

01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:25.840
 So I was just wondering where that conversation is.

01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:27.840
 I'm sorry, you can respond.

01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:30.840
 Is it just to get an update on where we are on it?

01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:31.840
 Yeah.

01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:41.840
 I think last time what I recall the way it was that is we are going to completely redo the pavement as is,

01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:44.840
 the pavement markings will go back as it is.

01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:50.840
 And then we're going to have a speed study conducted sometime in the next few months,

01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:52.840
 in the next couple months, not necessarily immediately.

01:08:52.840 --> 01:08:57.840
 I think we just completed the striping yesterday.

01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:06.840
 So recently you striped it, so we want to make sure that everyone in the neighborhood is aware that it's striped.

01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:07.840
 It's ready to go.

01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:09.840
 It's back in service.

01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:13.840
 And then have a month or so and then conduct a speed study.

01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:16.840
 If the speed survey comes back that people are really speeding,

01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:21.840
 there are really speed issues, that people are swinging around, still safety concerns,

01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:23.840
 then we'll go back and look at options.

01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:29.840
 How do we count the traffic now, and at that point we'll look at some options of medians or intersections.

01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:35.840
 So yes, we can bring an update if you'd like next.

01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:40.840
 I think it won't be next time, but we'll be following because we still have to collect the speed data.

01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:43.840
 So most likely this will be April item.

01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:51.840
 So I didn't know if that needed to be on the list or that was just something that you were curious about following up on that.

01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:55.840
 But we'll have an item on the April.

01:09:55.840 --> 01:10:04.840
 On that note, there is some moral construction going on at the end of this month beginning next on Forest Ridge.

01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:07.840
 Which by the way, this is a street closure report.

01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:09.840
 Forest Ridge is one word.

01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:18.840
 And I know y'all are quick, but it's showing up on the street closure report that the closure will start on 3/2 and end on 2/28.

01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:22.840
 So it goes backwards.

01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:23.840
 That's amazing.

01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:26.840
 Yeah, I mean that is fast.

01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:29.840
 Did we put the year on that?

01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:36.840
 Yes, you got 20 on that.

01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:39.840
 The other one is a big concern.

01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:47.840
 I'm hearing not so good feedback about removing the lights at Logast and Elm.

01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:48.840
 Oh, on Parkway?

01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:51.840
 Yeah, it's very confusing for drivers.

01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:56.840
 People aren't sure what to do, especially for pedestrians there that are trying to cross both of those streets.

01:10:56.840 --> 01:11:00.840
 It's more like Frogger trying to get to the library.

01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:12.840
 So I wanted to make sure that we were still monitoring that or that there was some kind of pedestrian access that was going to go in somehow.

01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:21.840
 It's just that the cars are speeding down faster and you just kind of got to look either way and go through.

01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:26.840
 It's just not working out as we thought it would.

01:11:26.840 --> 01:11:28.840
 Are we still looking at that situation?

01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:30.840
 Yeah, we are continuing monitoring that.

01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:34.840
 Is it more for pedestrians as well as vehicles or just pedestrians?

01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:36.840
 Well, both.

01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:44.840
 I think anyone who's trying to cross those streets going either way, it seems more dangerous for them now than it did before.

01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:47.840
 I think part of it is getting used to it.

01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:54.840
 I think a lot of the intersections, Mulberry, East and Moore, all of them, and Elm and Logast, they don't have signals.

01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:58.840
 They have stop signs and it's the same type of situation.

01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:10.840
 But one of the things that we're also looking at is at some point Parkway is supposed to go on a road dive where we add bike lanes and make it more safer.

01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:15.840
 At that time, we'll look at that intersection if there are any enhancements that are needed for the crossing.

01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:18.840
 But we're continuing monitoring that.

01:12:18.840 --> 01:12:24.840
 Because I remember that Parkway is part of that conversation with the removal of the lights.

01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:29.840
 It was all together, or really close together.

01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:34.840
 So when is that Parkway situation supposed to occur?

01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:42.840
 So it is more of a striping, but we'll definitely have to make sure that people get used to it first as a signal is out.

01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:46.840
 And I think our next step will be evaluating what are our options.

01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:56.840
 We'll be bringing that to the committee to look at how do we work at this, what are the current volumes and how does it flow all the way to the library from Carroll.

01:12:56.840 --> 01:13:05.840
 We'll just be cognizant and monitor those two intersections very close because people are going faster now through there.

01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:14.840
 And I don't know if there's been any accidents or how many near misses or what, but I'm not getting very good feedback from the residents.

01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:17.840
 Okay, we'll definitely.

01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:20.840
 So I have a few questions and comments.

01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:29.840
 On item six, you used to have a note there that clarified that really, that's kind of like a subpoint question what's there.

01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:35.840
 The primary issue is root cause analysis on the West Oak Street roller coaster.

01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:38.840
 Okay, yes, and we are working on a report.

01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:39.840
 Yeah, for April I see.

01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:43.840
 But I just want to kind of check in, are we talking about the same thing?

01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:45.840
 Correct, it is the West Oak Street.

01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:53.840
 We hired a firm to go do a geotechnical analysis and we're getting samples and we're collecting all the information.

01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:55.840
 Okay, so do you want to just reflect on that?

01:13:55.840 --> 01:13:58.840
 It would be focused on the West Oak Street, this whole conversation.

01:13:58.840 --> 01:13:59.840
 Yeah, it's going to work.

01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:01.840
 Thanks for not even noting.

01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:02.840
 Thank you.

01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:04.840
 Yeah, thanks for doing that.

01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:09.840
 And on the rotary, inscription of Bonnie Gray.

01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:10.840
 The barrels are still.

01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:14.840
 I mean to cause you pain just by doing the circle.

01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:16.840
 Rotary is a very different thing from traffic.

01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:17.840
 Oh, sorry, sorry.

01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:18.840
 Wait, what's the right term?

01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:19.840
 Roundabout, traffic circle.

01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:20.840
 Roundabout, roundabout.

01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:21.840
 Round thing.

01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:22.840
 Round thing?

01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:24.840
 Am I okay with that, round thing?

01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:25.840
 What's the right way to?

01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:26.840
 It's a roundabout.

01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:29.840
 It's a roundabout, roundabout, roundabout.

01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:31.840
 You probably made Trey really happy right there.

01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:32.840
 Okay.

01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:38.840
 So on the roundabout, the barrels are still up.

01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:40.840
 People ask me why.

01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:41.840
 Is it done?

01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:42.840
 Is it not done?

01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:44.840
 What's the right answer?

01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:52.840
 So currently we're change-wearing into the project some items that work with parks to

01:14:52.840 --> 01:14:54.840
 make sure that center island looks the best it possibly could.

01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:58.840
 So we're going to do a couple iterations of them to put in landscaping there.

01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:02.840
 So that, I made the right guess then that the barrels were there as a placeholder so

01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:04.840
 they'll be protected when they do that work.

01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:06.840
 Could you have barrels north and south as well?

01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:09.840
 That's also to protect those corners until they're re-landscaped.

01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:10.840
 Okay.

01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:11.840
 So it's all about the landscape.

01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:12.840
 Right.

01:15:12.840 --> 01:15:14.840
 And the weather's been against us all through the fall.

01:15:14.840 --> 01:15:15.840
 Sure.

01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:17.840
 Also to complete the stamp pattern concrete.

01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:18.840
 Yeah.

01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:21.840
 So the weather's just not been with us to make all those things happen.

01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:22.840
 Yeah.

01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:27.840
 Because you also have like kind of like an effective partial lane closure.

01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:28.840
 Right.

01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:29.840
 Yeah.

01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:30.840
 And that's all about the landscape.

01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:35.840
 So the other component to that is we didn't want to open up the intersection with both

01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:36.840
 lanes on body grade open.

01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:41.840
 It's a phase step process that get people used to one lane entering the roundabout.

01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:42.840
 Okay.

01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:43.840
 So that's conscious.

01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:47.840
 If we open everything it kind of creates that issue and I think Todd's gone through

01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:50.840
 some of that in his past previous job.

01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:54.840
 So we want to make sure that it's a phased, people get used to it, and then we open both

01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:55.840
 lanes on body grade.

01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:56.840
 So it's both.

01:15:56.840 --> 01:15:57.840
 I appreciate understanding that.

01:15:57.840 --> 01:15:58.840
 Thank you.

01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:03.840
 And on the landscaping part, the reason to protect it with the orange barrels until there's

01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:09.840
 landscaping is that, this is a question, is that landscaping serves a kind of traffic

01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:13.840
 calming purpose or a visibility purpose that the barrels are doing now?

01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:14.840
 Right.

01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:15.840
 It's a visual barrier.

01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:20.840
 The barrels are really, they're more out of convenience right now because it would cost

01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:24.840
 them more to have that contracting company that they've hired to put the traffic controls

01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:26.840
 to come out, take them away.

01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:27.840
 Cheaper to leave them.

01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:28.840
 Okay.

01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:32.840
 But it also provides a warning because there's, you see it every day, I know.

01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:33.840
 Yep, yep.

01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:37.840
 There's a, it's much lower behind the back curve over there, so if somebody were to go

01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:40.840
 up and over the curve, they're in an area where they potentially couldn't get out.

01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:44.840
 So they also serve as a warning that these conditions are different than what they're

01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:45.840
 going to be.

01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:48.840
 Which landscaping will serve that purpose in the future.

01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:49.840
 Correct.

01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:50.840
 Okay.

01:16:50.840 --> 01:16:51.840
 That's really helpful to understand.

01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:54.840
 And yeah, I go out of my way to go through that intersection because I really like it.

01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:56.840
 I know I'm not that way.

01:16:56.840 --> 01:16:58.840
 Second issue about the rotary.

01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:02.840
 I just, my personal, oh sorry, roundabout.

01:17:02.840 --> 01:17:04.840
 I wrote roundabout, roundabout.

01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:07.840
 Second question about the roundabout.

01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:14.840
 You know, the basic rule is priority to those in the, correct, in the roundabout.

01:17:14.840 --> 01:17:21.840
 When you're entering from scripture and you've got, you know, more traffic coming northbound

01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:28.840
 on body and brain, it kind of creates a little catch 22 where like, they're always before

01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:30.840
 the scripture people, right?

01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:34.840
 So if there's a lot of traffic coming north, I'm in, I have priority.

01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:35.840
 I'm in, I have priority.

01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:36.840
 I'm in, I have priority.

01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:42.840
 So it's really, you know, kind of, it's no real opportunity to come in from scripture,

01:17:42.840 --> 01:17:43.840
 right?

01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:45.840
 There's nothing that governs that.

01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:48.840
 So I don't know, I'm just, I don't know if that's something, if that's the way it's supposed

01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:49.840
 to be.

01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:51.840
 So it's a couple of things.

01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:54.840
 I mean, if you think about it, traffic is slow.

01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:59.840
 There are gaps within different platoons that travel along body and brain.

01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:04.840
 And the other thing, it primarily, if you look at it, may function as a two-way stop

01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:05.840
 on scripture.

01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:13.840
 So you wait for that gap and it's a very slow travel speed environment as compared to if

01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:17.840
 you're on Elm and Locust and you're on Cross Street, there's traffic that's fast.

01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:20.840
 So there are gaps that you can look into.

01:18:20.840 --> 01:18:26.840
 The other thing is, by the time this traffic enters, if you're, if you're at this location

01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:30.840
 long enough, you can easily speed up to that 15 mile an hour.

01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:31.840
 You're not speeding up.

01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:38.840
 So if you're on scripture, trying to get into the intersection, and there's traffic coming

01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:42.840
 on body, brain, they're entering the, they're completely slowing down and entering at 15

01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:43.840
 miles an hour.

01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:50.840
 So you have that...I talked to someone that was trying to go over 20 miles an hour and

01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:53.840
 they said my truck almost started going.

01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:56.840
 So it's very uncomfortable at 20, 22 miles.

01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:57.840
 Okay.

01:18:57.840 --> 01:18:59.840
 You've got several things going on at one time.

01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:06.840
 So a roundabout similar to a signal will function differently in the high traffic peak volumes

01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:07.840
 of the day.

01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:11.840
 So in the morning and the evening, just like a signal where you're going to sit more, you're

01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:14.840
 going to sit longer at those signals at a roundabout.

01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:18.840
 They have a tendency, especially during the peak hours of the day, to function more in

01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:20.840
 one direction than another.

01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:21.840
 Sure.

01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:24.840
 Now throughout the rest of the day, and that's, that's really where we evaluate the difference

01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:30.840
 between roundabouts and truly signalized intersection is going to be, is it operating that way all

01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:31.840
 day long?

01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:36.840
 Or is it, is there an induced condition, let's pretend just described?

01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:37.840
 Yeah, which might be appropriate.

01:19:37.840 --> 01:19:46.840
 But I would just suggest to you that the degree of curvature is not great when you're going

01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:47.840
 north.

01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:52.840
 And it's not complete yet because it will be complete when Bonnebray phase four is built

01:19:52.840 --> 01:19:55.840
 and then phase five picks up and goes to the north.

01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:58.840
 And the curvature will be greater going into the roundabout from going north?

01:19:58.840 --> 01:20:01.840
 There will be adjustments that are more appropriate than what there are today.

01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:04.840
 Today we're trying to tie into the existing roadway.

01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:05.840
 Yeah.

01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:06.840
 Okay.

01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:10.840
 It's a very temporary measure once Bonnebray phase four kicks into construction later this

01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:11.840
 year.

01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:12.840
 Okay.

01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:13.840
 And that will change that condition.

01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:16.840
 Because I would just say, I'm sorry to go in so long.

01:20:16.840 --> 01:20:22.840
 It feels like you can pretty much keep going straight if you're going northbound on Bonnebray,

01:20:22.840 --> 01:20:26.840
 not adjusting much as you go through the roundabout.

01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:27.840
 Right.

01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:31.840
 And we, we were afraid of that condition once we started down the temporary connection pathway.

01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:32.840
 Yeah.

01:20:32.840 --> 01:20:35.840
 That's why we really wanted phase four to be contiguous with it.

01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:36.840
 Yeah.

01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:39.840
 But we also wanted to take advantage of, can we get the intersection done first?

01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:40.840
 Yeah.

01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:41.840
 Which is choke point during construction.

01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:42.840
 It's always going to be the toughest point.

01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:43.840
 Intersections will be.

01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:50.840
 Oh, if you might, I'm just, the suggestion now is to look at whether you might adjust

01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:53.840
 through the barrels, move them a little bit to the left.

01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:54.840
 Sure.

01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:55.840
 If they've got to make a sharper turn to get in.

01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:56.840
 Sure.

01:20:56.840 --> 01:20:57.840
 No, it's absolutely zone we can look at.

01:20:57.840 --> 01:20:58.840
 Yeah.

01:20:58.840 --> 01:20:59.840
 Yeah.

01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:06.840
 Yeah.

01:21:06.840 --> 01:21:13.840
 Well, just on that, on the roundabout, I know we, we are one lane right now and there's

01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:18.840
 no real good signage as to what's going to happen when there's two lanes.

01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:23.840
 So put the signage out and partially cover it since it's not really working, but where

01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:25.840
 people can see what they're supposed to do.

01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:31.840
 So it's not the first, first time it's opened up to two lanes and they're cutting through

01:21:31.840 --> 01:21:32.840
 there.

01:21:32.840 --> 01:21:34.840
 And it's like, okay, I got to read the sign and watch the traffic and figure out what

01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:36.840
 I'm doing now that it's open to two lanes.

01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:42.840
 We can get some type of marking in there so that, you know, since you've got a two lane

01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:43.840
 roundabout north-south.

01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:46.840
 We can absolutely look into that.

01:21:46.840 --> 01:21:51.840
 I mean, there's even the alternative that we could put out temporary signage now and

01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:53.840
 change that signage out once we're complete.

01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:59.840
 I mean, there's several options that we'll definitely take, take a look at.

01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:02.840
 So I have a couple of questions about streets.

01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:07.840
 One on the construction report, Thomas is listed and it says part of the 2019 bundle,

01:22:07.840 --> 01:22:14.840
 but there's no date and there's no information about, about that.

01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:16.840
 And so just want to follow up.

01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:21.840
 2019 is coming to council today, I want to say.

01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:25.840
 So I believe that there's a placeholder knowing that construction will be starting here very

01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:26.840
 soon.

01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:30.840
 I don't, I'm not sure as to why they didn't actually have dates in there, so we'll find

01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:31.840
 out.

01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:36.840
 But before we, is your, I mean, besides the fact that there's no dates, when you say 2019

01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:42.840
 bundle, is your, one of your issues, not issues, but concerns that, that it may be, that was

01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:44.840
 reflected as part of the 2019 bond program?

01:22:44.840 --> 01:22:50.840
 Because I think we're using different nomenclature and I don't think it's quite as clear for

01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:52.840
 the council members versus it is for us.

01:22:52.840 --> 01:22:55.840
 So that's, I think that's the other issue too.

01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:59.840
 2019 streets bundle is actually a 2014 bond project.

01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:05.840
 It was intended to be in construction in 2019, but due to some delays, it got pushed back

01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:06.840
 a little bit further.

01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:10.840
 So there will also be a 2020 streets bundle that will be coming to council here in the

01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:15.840
 next couple of months, and that will be projects that are still under the 2014 bond package,

01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:17.840
 but intended to go to construction in 2020.

01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:24.840
 So that, that may be some of my next question because there's the different bundles and

01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:26.840
 then there's part of the bond project.

01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:32.840
 So my next street of concern, because these have been bad for a really long time, Fulton

01:23:32.840 --> 01:23:35.840
 Street, and I can't find that on the street closures list.

01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:38.840
 I can't find that in, you know, the bond.

01:23:38.840 --> 01:23:44.840
 And so I don't know how far back when someone asked me about a street to go look for that

01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:45.840
 information.

01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:51.840
 And so that leads me to my next comment, and it might be something that we need to discuss

01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:52.840
 here.

01:23:52.840 --> 01:23:58.840
 Is there anything that we can do on timing so that when water and wastewater gets done,

01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:05.840
 it's not years before that street gets reconstructed so that people aren't driving on really bad

01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:06.840
 streets.

01:24:06.840 --> 01:24:09.840
 I mean, because there's, once that gets done, we're like, well, it's going to get reconstructed.

01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:14.840
 We don't want to do anything, but we are, you know, living in a situation in our residential

01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:16.840
 streets where they're really bad for a long time.

01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:18.840
 And that's what we're trying to change.

01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:23.840
 So, you know, we talked in the 2019 bond program about hitting more of a neighborhood-centric

01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:24.840
 approach to these projects.

01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:29.840
 It was getting away from the old model level, wastewater goes, then water goes, and then

01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:32.840
 streets goes, and their schedules don't always sync up.

01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:38.840
 Now, I know for a fact that the water department, the wastewater and the stormwater in streets,

01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:41.840
 they're much closer now than they ever were in the past.

01:24:41.840 --> 01:24:45.840
 But we certainly understand that problem.

01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:50.840
 Well, yeah, new streets, but I'm still talking about streets that were fixed.

01:24:50.840 --> 01:24:54.840
 I mean, the water and wastewater went in a long time ago.

01:24:54.840 --> 01:24:55.840
 I understand.

01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:57.840
 We're still trying to overcome all that.

01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:01.840
 I mean, there's still some that are just caught in that mill where water and wastewater got

01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:06.840
 their pieces done and streets, for whatever reason, they went into their schedule until

01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:08.840
 much later in the program.

01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:13.840
 A lot of that was the way staff previously interacted.

01:25:13.840 --> 01:25:15.840
 So it was very siloed.

01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:18.840
 You know, I'll get my wastewater done, don't care what your schedule is.

01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:20.840
 I'll get my water done, don't care what your schedule is.

01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:23.840
 And that absolutely is not the way they coordinate today.

01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:25.840
 None of that is happening today.

01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:30.840
 But we do have some legacy projects that are hanging out there that were lagging farther

01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:31.840
 and farther behind.

01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:35.840
 And sometimes what has happened is you had a roadway that didn't even make it on the

01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:43.840
 list, and water and wastewater had a need to go put in utility upgrades out there.

01:25:43.840 --> 01:25:48.840
 Now the roadway started to fall apart because I've got a patched together roadway.

01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:50.840
 That road now is in that condition.

01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:57.840
 Maybe it didn't get high enough on the OCI index for us to go attack that one just yet.

01:25:57.840 --> 01:26:00.840
 So what you're saying is we're already addressing it?

01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:03.840
 We're doing our very best to try to address all of those issues.

01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:08.840
 And part of this 2019 street bundle, getting along with tonight, is coordination.

01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:13.840
 We went back and we've talked to water and wastewater that are all included in the design.

01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:15.840
 The design is inclusive.

01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:17.840
 Same thing with 2020 bundles.

01:26:17.840 --> 01:26:19.840
 We have inclusive all the future bundles.

01:26:19.840 --> 01:26:24.840
 Even with the old 2012 and 2014 bond money, they will have water and wastewater.

01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:29.840
 And the next step is we're coordinating with ACMAs so that we have a tighter schedule,

01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:31.840
 we have a tighter accountability.

01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:37.840
 We hold that same contractor accountable for you're in this area, you get everything done,

01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:39.840
 and we move on to the next area.

01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:46.840
 So yes, there are certain measures in place as we work through the next bond as well.

01:26:46.840 --> 01:26:50.840
 The other component too is not just the coordination but the communication to the resident.

01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:56.840
 Because before it was each department had its own project where they treated it as a silo.

01:26:56.840 --> 01:27:00.840
 So three letters would go out, we're going to be on your street at this time,

01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:02.840
 we're going to be on your street at that time.

01:27:02.840 --> 01:27:04.840
 And so the resident just sees it.

01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:05.840
 You've already been up my street.

01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:07.840
 Why are you considering this as a project?

01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:10.840
 It's really just one big project all the way through.

01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:14.840
 So part of that is a communication plan as well.

01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:19.840
 And so Fulton Street, did you say, is in one of those bundles?

01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:20.840
 We're checking right now.

01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:22.840
 I'll give you an answer.

01:27:22.840 --> 01:27:24.840
 Thomas Street is and that's coming to us.

01:27:24.840 --> 01:27:25.840
 Yes.

01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:26.840
 Thank you.

01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:30.840
 The way that bundle that's coming is Thomas Hercules and Windsor.

01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:32.840
 Windsor.

01:27:32.840 --> 01:27:33.840
 Windsor.

01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:34.840
 Bless the park.

01:27:34.840 --> 01:27:37.840
 Speaking of Windsor.

01:27:37.840 --> 01:27:38.840
 So many proposals.

01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:40.840
 No, I'm good.

01:27:40.840 --> 01:27:41.840
 Yes.

01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:48.840
 Speaking of Windsor, this would have been on the John Ryan, you know, on system thing

01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:50.840
 that we hope to get next month.

01:27:50.840 --> 01:27:52.840
 You know, we're talking about having a list.

01:27:52.840 --> 01:27:53.840
 Oh, the major.

01:27:53.840 --> 01:27:54.840
 Yeah, yeah.

01:27:54.840 --> 01:27:56.840
 Windsor would have been on one of those.

01:27:56.840 --> 01:28:03.840
 I get questions on it.

01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:05.840
 Any word of update?

01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:12.840
 Windsor, Hinkle, you know, am I wrong that we're slipping dates?

01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:14.840
 Weather's killing it.

01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:15.840
 Yeah.

01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:17.840
 But I'm not holding a candle for weather.

01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:18.840
 But I'd like to be able to--

01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:22.840
 I think that the original contract was made for the Windsor-Hinkle project, right?

01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:24.840
 You're talking about the project?

01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:25.840
 Yes.

01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:28.840
 So the original contract date was May for that project.

01:28:28.840 --> 01:28:35.840
 And we still feel that we didn't hit that with the rain delay and schedule delays.

01:28:35.840 --> 01:28:37.840
 And Hinkle?

01:28:37.840 --> 01:28:38.840
 Wait, is it the same?

01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:40.840
 Hinkle, Windsor, it's the same magnolia range.

01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:41.840
 May.

01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:42.840
 May.

01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:43.840
 Got you.

01:28:43.840 --> 01:28:44.840
 Okay.

01:28:44.840 --> 01:28:45.840
 Yes.

01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:46.840
 Okay.

01:28:46.840 --> 01:28:52.840
 The last item for me, unless you all-- do we have more?

01:28:52.840 --> 01:28:53.840
 Good.

01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:55.840
 My question's for you, Mario.

01:28:55.840 --> 01:29:01.840
 What part of city government would have kind of global, if any,

01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:07.840
 would have global policy oversight over the issue of noise, right?

01:29:07.840 --> 01:29:11.840
 Is it like a-- is there a citywide goal on noise?

01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:13.840
 We have a noise ordinance.

01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:14.840
 Yeah.

01:29:14.840 --> 01:29:20.840
 That dictates what's considered, I guess, a noise violation.

01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:21.840
 Right.

01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:22.840
 I don't know exactly.

01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:25.840
 I think it's 65 decibels, I believe, is that noise.

01:29:25.840 --> 01:29:30.840
 But it's based on noise emanating from a residence or a business,

01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:35.840
 and music about, you know, loud activities.

01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:40.840
 So if you take it globally, that sort of narrow, you know, noise topic,

01:29:40.840 --> 01:29:45.840
 it's like this person's causing a noise, please go, you know, investigate that.

01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:49.840
 But then we've road noise.

01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:50.840
 Correct.

01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:55.840
 Like, you know, for instance, when there's new construction, you know,

01:29:55.840 --> 01:30:00.840
 for like textile, we heard about the measures that are taken

01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:02.840
 to determine whether they need to do abatement.

01:30:02.840 --> 01:30:07.840
 But if just noise conditions grow ambiently above 65,

01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:12.840
 but it's not someone playing music, but, you know, rattling, et cetera,

01:30:12.840 --> 01:30:14.840
 do we have an opinion about it?

01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:17.840
 You know, do we have a policy perspective?

01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:18.840
 Well, I believe--

01:30:18.840 --> 01:30:20.840
 Probably an issue in a growing city, right?

01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:21.840
 It is, certainly.

01:30:21.840 --> 01:30:23.840
 You can correct me if I'm wrong.

01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:27.840
 But when there is those road expansions that TechStop takes on,

01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.840
 they do the environmental clearance components,

01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:32.840
 and they determine whether or not the additional traffic

01:30:32.840 --> 01:30:35.840
 is going to cause noise issues based on a certain threshold.

01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:36.840
 Right.

01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:40.840
 And if they do exceed that, then they do incorporate sound walls.

01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:43.840
 Which is sort of a-- It's a sub-topic, right?

01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:45.840
 That's when there's something new that's going to happen.

01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:49.840
 But what about growing city becoming noisier?

01:30:49.840 --> 01:30:53.840
 In a place where it isn't a person doing it, it isn't a new project,

01:30:53.840 --> 01:30:58.840
 but the city becomes noisier and just neighborhoods become later than 65.

01:30:58.840 --> 01:30:59.840
 Get affected by that?

01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:00.840
 Yeah.

01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:02.840
 Where do they turn to?

01:31:02.840 --> 01:31:03.840
 Yeah, that's a good question.

01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:08.840
 I think part of that, I don't really know if there really is a good answer on that,

01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:12.840
 just because it's just incremental increases of activity

01:31:12.840 --> 01:31:18.840
 that are just as a result of just increased traffic that just happen over time.

01:31:18.840 --> 01:31:28.840
 I wonder if other cities kind of own that as part of their quality of life remit.

01:31:28.840 --> 01:31:29.840
 Yeah.

01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:31.840
 Maybe I'll leave you with the question.

01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:33.840
 Okay, we'll try.

01:31:33.840 --> 01:31:35.840
 Yeah.

01:31:35.840 --> 01:31:41.840
 I may pursue it as a topic for Town Hall or something,

01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:45.840
 but it might be good to have generated some policy thoughts and advance that.

01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:47.840
 I'm just starting to think about it myself.

01:31:47.840 --> 01:31:50.840
 Clarification on it, is this related just to traffic?

01:31:50.840 --> 01:31:52.840
 Well, it's primarily--

01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:54.840
 Or are you talking about the overall growth in the city

01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:57.840
 and the noise associated with events and other general things?

01:31:57.840 --> 01:32:02.840
 Events, we have a process that we can give them a variance and so on.

01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:06.840
 It's kind of a single point origin of noise.

01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:12.840
 And when there are changes in the environment, we have a process to think about it.

01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:21.840
 But as we become-- who is accountable to do anything, if there is anything to be done,

01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:25.840
 for just increases in ambient noise that affect quality of life?

01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:30.840
 Just to clarify, what you're really wanting us to address is noise pollution.

01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:32.840
 Yes, there you go.

01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:35.840
 And is there a department of it?

01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:37.840
 There's not currently.

01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:41.840
 But we can talk internally about how that best gets addressed.

01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:49.840
 Are there policy actions, are there tactics that are appropriate for noise pollution?

01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:56.840
 It would be something that would be a decided policy direction from council.

01:32:56.840 --> 01:32:59.840
 It's things that can be provided to council.

01:32:59.840 --> 01:33:04.840
 As far as what are the options out there, then of course the question is always going to be,

01:33:04.840 --> 01:33:06.840
 how do you choose to fund those items?

01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:07.840
 Of course.

01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:09.840
 But that's absolutely something that can be brought forward

01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:13.840
 and we can figure out internally might be the best to work through that issue.

01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:22.840
 You know, probably like a heavy lift to pull it all together, so I'll request it as a topic for council.

01:33:22.840 --> 01:33:32.840
 So consider that just a heads up, but I'll be asking for that today because it's not advanced notice.

01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:33.840
 Anything else?

01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:35.840
 Anyone else?

01:33:35.840 --> 01:33:37.840
 Thank you very much, everybody.

01:33:37.840 --> 01:33:42.840
 Yes, I will adjourn this meeting at 1033.