1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,250 Good evening. It is Thursday April 27th, 2026. This is a 2 00:00:10,250 --> 00:00:12,560 Board of Ethics panel discussion. 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,210 I have determined that we have a quorum of the panel 4 00:00:16,210 --> 00:00:19,239 present. We have the full panel here actually. 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:27,079 And we are convened to discuss the Board of Ethics BOE 26-0 6 00:00:27,079 --> 00:00:35,600 17 ethics complaint, number 26-003, filed on August 12, 2026 7 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:41,119 , concerning alleged violations of the ordinance section 2- 8 00:00:41,119 --> 00:00:43,240 273. 9 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:53,539 So we will begin by looking at the agenda information sheet 10 00:00:53,539 --> 00:00:54,240 . 11 00:00:54,240 --> 00:01:02,020 So tonight our task will be to determine if the complaint 12 00:01:02,020 --> 00:01:08,239 is baseless, is actionable or baseless. 13 00:01:08,239 --> 00:01:14,670 And if we can go on to the received complaint, which is 24 14 00:01:14,670 --> 00:01:16,239 pages long. 15 00:01:16,239 --> 00:01:21,450 I spent a couple of hours going over this line by line, and 16 00:01:21,450 --> 00:01:24,859 I do want to make sure with both of the panelists that they 17 00:01:24,859 --> 00:01:27,239 did spend some time going over it. 18 00:01:27,239 --> 00:01:28,239 I read the documents. 19 00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:38,430 Andrea did too. So we are doing our best to be diligent. So 20 00:01:38,430 --> 00:01:41,239 exhibit three is the ordinance. 21 00:01:41,239 --> 00:01:47,239 I guess we'll come back to that in a minute. 22 00:01:47,239 --> 00:01:56,519 So basically the complaint is that this was brought by a 23 00:01:56,519 --> 00:02:03,730 complainant and he is alleging that the city attorney 24 00:02:03,730 --> 00:02:08,240 violated section 2-273 of the ordinance. 25 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:13,289 And I guess if you'll pull that up, I think it would be 26 00:02:13,289 --> 00:02:18,240 best to go item by item and just make sure of that. 27 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:24,240 So improper influence is the allegation. 28 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:31,930 And so item C, one would be secure special privileges or 29 00:02:31,930 --> 00:02:37,240 benefits for such person or others. 30 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:45,240 I could not find any evidence of that in the complaint. 31 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,240 Did either of you? 32 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:53,060 That was unfair to me. There was an account of my special 33 00:02:53,060 --> 00:02:55,240 privilege or benefit. 34 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,870 Did you see it written in the report, what the benefit 35 00:02:58,870 --> 00:03:00,240 would have been? 36 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,569 That was my concern is I could not see what the special 37 00:03:03,569 --> 00:03:07,240 privilege or benefit would have been that was gained. 38 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:12,240 The document was difficult to follow. 39 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,840 I did find the response from the deputy city attorney 40 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,870 pretty clear that it laid out what was expected and I could 41 00:03:21,870 --> 00:03:24,240 follow it very easily. 42 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:29,000 But in the complaint, comments were made that weren't even 43 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,240 related and there was no justification. 44 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:37,240 So it was difficult to follow the logic. 45 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,240 So I did not see any evidence of that. 46 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,590 I guess we'll go down each one of these and I guess we'll 47 00:03:44,590 --> 00:03:47,240 go on each item to make sure that. 48 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,240 Does that sound like it could? 49 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,240 You would like to take a motion on each? 50 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,240 Okay, so you can. 51 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,930 So do you want to, does someone want to make a motion about 52 00:03:55,930 --> 00:04:01,270 the item one secure special privileges or benefits for such 53 00:04:01,270 --> 00:04:03,240 person or others? 54 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:10,240 Did either of you see any evidence that the city attorney 55 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:19,240 secured any privileges as a result of the response? 56 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,860 I would like to make a motion that we could not find any 57 00:04:22,860 --> 00:04:27,220 privileges, special privileges or benefits in the paperwork 58 00:04:27,220 --> 00:04:28,240 provided. 59 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,240 Okay, so I'm going to be the second. 60 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,240 I'll second. 61 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,240 Okay. 62 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,240 That's good since there's two of you. 63 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:41,410 Is there any more discussion we need to have on this first 64 00:04:41,410 --> 00:04:42,240 item? 65 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,240 Okay. 66 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,240 So are you ready to vote? 67 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:51,730 All in favor of the motion that there were no, there was no 68 00:04:51,730 --> 00:04:55,240 evidence of special privileges. 69 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,240 Where's your hand? 70 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,240 I'm fine. 71 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:04,240 So it's unanimous. 72 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:11,240 So we're going to move on to two. 73 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,629 So put any special consideration, treatment or advantage to 74 00:05:14,629 --> 00:05:19,250 any citizen, individual, business organization or group 75 00:05:19,250 --> 00:05:22,589 beyond that which is normally available to every other 76 00:05:22,589 --> 00:05:27,240 citizen, individual, business organization or group. 77 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:38,240 Did you see any evidence of that? 78 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:44,240 Well, let's see. 79 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:49,360 If that information was missing, did that benefit the 80 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,240 police department or police officer? 81 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,529 Well, the complaint is, I mean the allegation is against 82 00:05:57,529 --> 00:05:59,240 the legal department. 83 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:00,240 The city attorney. 84 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,240 The city attorney. 85 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:02,240 Oh, okay. 86 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:08,649 The main city attorney, so there was never a mention of the 87 00:06:08,649 --> 00:06:11,240 police department. 88 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,240 Can I ask a clarifying question? 89 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,240 Yes. 90 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:19,610 The city attorney is, represents the city of Denton as well 91 00:06:19,610 --> 00:06:25,209 , and since the department, the police department is part of 92 00:06:25,209 --> 00:06:30,389 the city of Denton, it would fall under the preview of the 93 00:06:30,389 --> 00:06:33,240 city attorney, correct? 94 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,620 According to the city charter, the city attorney is charged 95 00:06:37,620 --> 00:06:39,240 with representing. 96 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,240 So he is the legal representation for the police department 97 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,240 , correct? 98 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:45,240 For the whole city. 99 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:46,240 For the whole city. 100 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:51,069 And that is where, because this is where we advantage to 101 00:06:51,069 --> 00:06:53,240 any citizen, right? 102 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,029 Like, I was looking at this not normally available to every 103 00:06:57,029 --> 00:06:58,240 other citizen. 104 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,129 Well, he wouldn't be available to me because I'm not an 105 00:07:02,129 --> 00:07:06,019 entity of the city of Denton, I'm not an employee of the 106 00:07:06,019 --> 00:07:10,079 city of Denton, so I don't think that that really applies 107 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:14,240 in this case, because that is what his job is. 108 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,240 He was doing his job. 109 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,759 And that's where I would like, because that was the only 110 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:23,579 point where I was kind of like, okay, if some, yes, I would 111 00:07:23,579 --> 00:07:27,240 not get the representation of the city attorney, but that 112 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,240 is because I'm not an employee of the city. 113 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,240 So. 114 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,240 Right. 115 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,240 So I would like to make a motion that. 116 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:36,240 Right. 117 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:41,350 Let me just mention, I did copy this because his complaint 118 00:07:41,350 --> 00:07:46,240 really didn't come out and say something very clear. 119 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:51,370 But what I assume is that he's complaining that this report 120 00:07:51,370 --> 00:07:54,240 should have been released to him. 121 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,930 And the law for this kind of report, you cannot go to the 122 00:07:57,930 --> 00:08:01,850 city with the Public Information Act request and ask for, 123 00:08:01,850 --> 00:08:05,720 you're required to go to the Department of Family and Prot 124 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,240 ective Services. 125 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,240 So. 126 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:13,000 And I will say, as a therapist who has made these reports 127 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,860 before, you get a number after sitting on the phone or the 128 00:08:17,860 --> 00:08:23,139 computer for sometimes hours, and that's the only knowledge 129 00:08:23,139 --> 00:08:26,240 you ever have of what happened. 130 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,240 You can't even ask what happened. 131 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,240 Right. 132 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:35,960 So in your motion, I think there's no evidence that the 133 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,240 city attorney was. 134 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:44,039 Able was required by law to release the, what did he call 135 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:46,240 it, the report. 136 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,240 The complaint. 137 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,240 The mandatory cross report to the EFPS. 138 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:58,519 There's no evidence that the city attorney is required by 139 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:03,360 law to release the mandatory cross report to the EFPS 140 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:10,240 because state law provides that the. 141 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,240 Cross report to the EFPS. 142 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,240 Is only released by the Department of. 143 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:18,240 Right. 144 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,240 Family and protective services. 145 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:25,240 So I think that's kind of the evidence for me. 146 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:30,980 So there is no evidence that the city attorney was required 147 00:09:30,980 --> 00:09:34,240 to release this information. 148 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:39,240 Nor would he have had, or she involved to. 149 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,240 Well, he might be violating the law by reducing it. 150 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:44,240 True. 151 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,240 True. 152 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,240 Privacy is pretty sacred. 153 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:48,240 Yes. 154 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:54,370 And it's a protection not only of that 13 year old minor, 155 00:09:54,370 --> 00:09:57,240 but also of their family. 156 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,240 And that was my next question. 157 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,429 As a special education teacher, confidentiality and then 158 00:10:01,429 --> 00:10:04,450 who has the privilege of getting certain information is 159 00:10:04,450 --> 00:10:05,240 very much. 160 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,240 Yeah. 161 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,320 And that's exactly how it went to me is like what basis did 162 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,240 he have to obtain information that. 163 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,850 He did see a turn he had no no he was not authorized by law 164 00:10:17,850 --> 00:10:20,240 to release that report. 165 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,240 Right. 166 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,240 There's no evidence that he was required to. 167 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,240 So check me on the statement of this motion. 168 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,870 There is no evidence that section two was violated and then 169 00:10:35,870 --> 00:10:39,840 the city attorney was not required to release this 170 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,240 information. 171 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,240 By law. 172 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,240 And it would have been a break in the law. 173 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,240 Yeah. 174 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:52,730 Or I would say maybe a violation of confidentiality if he 175 00:10:52,730 --> 00:10:56,240 has released that cross report. 176 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,240 So do I hear a second on that? 177 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,240 I'll second. 178 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:02,240 All right. 179 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:07,240 Any more discussion we need to have on item two? 180 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,240 Okay. 181 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:09,240 Ready to vote. 182 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,690 So all in favor of this motion as I just previously stated 183 00:11:13,690 --> 00:11:15,240 raise your hand. 184 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,240 Aye. 185 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,240 Okay. 186 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:21,240 Item three. 187 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,169 Assert the privilege of the officials or employees city 188 00:11:25,169 --> 00:11:27,240 position for the purpose. 189 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,789 But when you look back to his complaint isn't he only alleg 190 00:11:30,789 --> 00:11:36,330 ing a violation of 273(e)(2) he's not saying one three four 191 00:11:36,330 --> 00:11:37,240 five. 192 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,240 Yes. 193 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,490 So I don't think you have to make a motion for the rest of 194 00:11:42,490 --> 00:11:43,240 them. 195 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,350 That confused me because when I was looking at I was 196 00:11:46,350 --> 00:11:49,240 wondering did he know that they're all two. 197 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:55,240 So yeah I would assume that he meant just section two of E. 198 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,000 Well I will say that I looked through the rest of the code 199 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,639 to see if there was anything else that might have been 200 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:05,240 violated and I did not find any evidence of that. 201 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:10,240 And he titles it violation of its ordinance 273(e)(2). 202 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,240 So he has to address one per year. 203 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,240 Okay. 204 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,240 Four or five. 205 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:17,240 Okay. 206 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:22,240 So we can vote it on two. 207 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:28,450 Is there any other discussion that we need to have before 208 00:12:28,450 --> 00:12:34,649 we move on to deciding if this complaint is actionable or 209 00:12:34,649 --> 00:12:36,240 baseless? 210 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,240 No I don't think so. 211 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:46,240 So I would entertain a motion that this is not actionable. 212 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,240 That is baseless. 213 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:48,240 That is baseless. 214 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,240 Sorry. 215 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,240 That is baseless. 216 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,240 Okay. 217 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,240 A second. 218 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,240 A second. 219 00:12:58,240 --> 00:12:59,240 Okay. 220 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:06,240 Any more discussion that we need to have about it? 221 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,240 Okay. 222 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,240 Ready to vote? 223 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,240 All in favor? 224 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:12,240 Aye. 225 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,240 Aye. 226 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,240 Okay. 227 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:22,240 Do we need to talk about revolting? 228 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,240 You just listed it as baseless. 229 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,240 At this point we vote it as baseless. 230 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:27,240 Okay. 231 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,240 Okay. 232 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,409 But for the record I think the person sincerely believed 233 00:13:31,409 --> 00:13:34,240 there was a violation so I don't think it was frivolous. 234 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:35,240 I would agree. 235 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,240 I think he was a concerned citizen. 236 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,240 Right. 237 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,240 That really tried to make sure that everything was done. 238 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,070 The thing that concerned me is that this is the second 239 00:13:46,070 --> 00:13:52,490 complaint of the same person against the same person and we 240 00:13:52,490 --> 00:13:56,240 've already covered this one out. 241 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,990 My concern is that these, while it's really, this is 242 00:14:00,990 --> 00:14:06,899 important, it's really important that we do our due 243 00:14:06,899 --> 00:14:10,669 diligence, but it costs the city money each time we have a 244 00:14:10,669 --> 00:14:11,240 complaint. 245 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,240 And it costs the taxpayers. 246 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,240 So, yeah. 247 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,240 But you can't take that into consideration. 248 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,539 People have a right to file a complaint under the ordinance 249 00:14:21,539 --> 00:14:24,769 and have the panel consider and have the taxpayers pay for 250 00:14:24,769 --> 00:14:25,240 it. 251 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,389 I just would hope that there's not another complaint on the 252 00:14:28,389 --> 00:14:29,240 same thing. 253 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,240 Yeah. 254 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,590 Well maybe we need to do these follow those three strikes 255 00:14:33,590 --> 00:14:34,240 you're out. 256 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:35,240 Yeah. 257 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,240 That would have to be approved in the ordinance. 258 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,240 Yeah. 259 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,240 There's things I would like to look at in the ordinance. 260 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,240 We are working with what we have. 261 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:53,240 So, it is now 546. 262 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:58,240 And this meeting is adjourned. 263 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,240 Thank you. 264 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,240 Thank you.