WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Thank you. All right. We have time to call the meeting of 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:08.439 the Historic Landmark Commission 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:13.189 to order on August 10th, 2026. It is 530. If you will 00:00:13.189 --> 00:00:18.960 please stand before me to do my 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:22.019 pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of 00:00:22.019 --> 00:00:24.399 the United States of America 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:29.199 and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:31.839 God, indivisible, with liberty 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:36.799 and justice for all. Honor the Texas flag. I pledge 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:40.880 allegiance to the Texas, one state 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:44.320 under God, one and indivisible. 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:45.520 Wave all. 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:48.000 I was going to just leave that because I need that. 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:48.880 Oh, sorry. 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:54.960 No, I was waiting for you to do that. I'm just going to 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:54.960 give you the floor for that. 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:59.829 That's right. All right. I do not see anyone from the 00:00:59.829 --> 00:01:02.960 public to speak, so we will move 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:07.950 on with that. We're going to move on to our next item for 00:01:07.950 --> 00:01:11.680 consideration is HLC 26-043 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:15.870 to approve the minutes of the July 13th, 2026 Historic Land 00:01:15.870 --> 00:01:18.480 mark Commission regular meeting. 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:21.439 I move for approval as submitted. 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:22.000 Okay. 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:22.640 I will second. 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:25.680 One of the John's will second you, John. 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:30.569 All right. We have approval and a motion to approve as 00:01:30.569 --> 00:01:32.879 written and a second. All in favor, 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:36.540 raise your hand. Any right votes? Okay. Any amendments for 00:01:36.540 --> 00:01:36.879 that? 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:44.840 All right. The next item on our agenda is to consider COA 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:47.519 26-00002 00:01:47.519 --> 00:01:51.319 to hold the public meeting and consider an application for 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:53.120 certificate of appropriateness 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:57.010 in accordance with section 2.9.2 of the Denton Development 00:01:57.010 --> 00:01:59.120 Code to restore the awning at the 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:05.189 commercial building located at 118-120 North Locust Street. 00:02:05.189 --> 00:02:07.280 This site is located on the east side of 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:10.639 North Locust Street between East Oak Street and East Hick 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:13.120 ory Street within the Denton Square District. 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:15.759 All right. Thank you, Chair. 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:19.110 Sure. At least we don't have the podium, so it's going to 00:02:19.110 --> 00:02:20.240 be a little boring for a while. 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:26.229 As stated, this is 118-120 North Locust Street, also known 00:02:26.229 --> 00:02:28.000 as the Downtown Mini Ball 2. 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:32.060 It is located on the east side of the square. It is located 00:02:32.060 --> 00:02:33.759 within the Denton Square District. 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:37.409 It is also a local landmark as well as a contributing 00:02:37.409 --> 00:02:38.240 property to the National 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:41.610 Register Historic District of the square. The applicant is 00:02:41.610 --> 00:02:43.439 Shirley Will and the construction 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:48.419 date was circa 1913. So this is just a little bit about the 00:02:48.419 --> 00:02:51.680 property and its alterations over time. 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:55.840 We have the 1938 property when it was the plate lunch. We 00:02:55.840 --> 00:03:00.080 also have our 1940s photo where we see 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:03.849 that thicker banding along the awning, some change there. 00:03:03.849 --> 00:03:07.439 2024, which I think most people are most 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:11.780 familiar with, and then present day without the awning 00:03:11.780 --> 00:03:14.879 itself. So the request is to install a 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:18.599 new awning where the former awning once was. Currently the 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:20.639 design or the design does show 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:24.300 it is compatible with the current design and layout of the 00:03:24.300 --> 00:03:26.000 property, but it does have a new 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:30.210 banding design around those edges. The materials will 00:03:30.210 --> 00:03:33.520 continue to be the roll-formed aluminum canopy 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:37.550 and then the steel support rods. These are just some of the 00:03:37.550 --> 00:03:40.960 framing plans. So it's 8 by 52 feet, 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:45.259 so it is quite large, but those are the current or the 00:03:45.259 --> 00:03:48.000 former designs and boundaries or just 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:51.370 dimensions of that awning. Same dimensions as what was 00:03:51.370 --> 00:03:52.879 previously there, I guess. 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:56.759 So looking at staff's analysis, it did look at the 00:03:56.759 --> 00:04:00.319 standards for rehabilitation, specifically 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.979 Criterion 9, which is talking about exterior alterations 00:04:03.979 --> 00:04:05.520 that do not destroy the historic 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:08.389 materials, features, or spatial relationship that's 00:04:08.389 --> 00:04:10.319 characterized the property, but the 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:14.969 new work will be differentiated from the old. Staff also 00:04:14.969 --> 00:04:18.240 looked at Section 410-7, which is 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:21.120 part of the Denton Square District, specifically looking at 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:23.360 fenestration, glazing, entry standards, 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:28.160 and under that is the awnings. So staff is recommending 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:31.360 approval as submitted for the COA 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:35.860 to restore the awning at 118 120 North Locust Street as it 00:04:35.860 --> 00:04:37.759 meets our Secretary of Interiors 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:41.470 for Standards of Rehabilitation in Section 410-7, which is 00:04:41.470 --> 00:04:43.040 the Denton Square District. 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.079 And I can stand for any questions. I have two questions. 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:48.639 Yes. One, if I'm understanding 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:51.829 correctly, it still looks slightly different than the one 00:04:51.829 --> 00:04:54.240 that is replacing, but same basic look? 00:04:54.240 --> 00:05:01.500 Yes. Okay. Second question, do we know when, I guess, the 00:05:01.500 --> 00:05:04.399 prior awning was put in with like 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:08.810 one of that look? So... You showed us two other examples 00:05:08.810 --> 00:05:12.160 that were older. It obviously is after 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:18.230 1940. Do we have any idea when? Unfortunately, I looked 00:05:18.230 --> 00:05:21.360 into it. I couldn't find any historic 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:25.879 documentation showing when it changed, but the applicant 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:27.920 did say that they were trying to go 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:30.930 something that was reflective of the 1940s, because that's 00:05:30.930 --> 00:05:32.319 the period of significance for 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:36.779 that historic district, is early 1900s, the 1940s, but they 00:05:36.779 --> 00:05:39.199 didn't want to obviously copy it exactly. 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:44.480 I mean, it's been there since at least the 80s. Yeah. I 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:46.399 know that much, but I can't say more than 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:48.980 all. Okay. So we don't know how old the awning was that 00:05:48.980 --> 00:05:52.240 they installed, that fell down and collapsed? 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:54.220 No, we don't know when that was installed. We don't know 00:05:54.220 --> 00:05:54.959 when that was installed, 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:57.610 because that was installed before we had any... We didn't 00:05:57.610 --> 00:06:01.519 have the other... So in terms of... 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:05.160 It could have been the 1940s awning with that additional 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:07.519 banding removed. It could have been 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:12.089 the 1938. It could have been the 1938. It does look very 00:06:12.089 --> 00:06:14.240 similar to the 1938 style, 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:17.459 and then the 1940s might have included a banding, but like 00:06:17.459 --> 00:06:18.720 I said, I didn't find any 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:24.240 strong documentation between the 1940s. And if you go to 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:27.759 2007, it looks exactly what you saw in 2024. 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.949 But I will take your own knowledge, because if you grew up 00:06:32.949 --> 00:06:34.879 coming to the square and you have that 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:38.250 knowledge, it looks similar to what you know. But as I 00:06:38.250 --> 00:06:40.399 stated, kind of looking at that standards 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:43.519 for rehabilitation, we don't want to do necessarily like 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:45.839 for like. They want to add the awning back, 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:48.689 be compatible with the square, be compatible with the 00:06:48.689 --> 00:06:52.240 structure itself. But we don't want it to be... 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:56.490 Because we don't have... They're not looking at all the 00:06:56.490 --> 00:06:58.399 historic photographs and evidence. 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:02.490 They're going for more, let's get that awning back in place 00:07:02.490 --> 00:07:04.240 versus let's do a reconstruction, 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:08.800 which is where you have to pick the specific year and say, 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:10.000 we have all the documentation. 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.480 Totally understand that. I'm not asking that. I'm actually 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:14.879 ... What my concern is, they collapsed in 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:19.250 the first place, and how old was it, and do they even know? 00:07:19.250 --> 00:07:21.360 And so part of this has to do with the 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:25.449 structural integrity around the square that's not going to 00:07:25.449 --> 00:07:28.000 be a problem. So I understand what they're 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:31.279 doing. I grew up on a farm and I understand what those 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:33.040 rolled bands of aluminum are. 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:38.300 That's a barn top. And I know exactly why that was put in 00:07:38.300 --> 00:07:40.959 during the late '30s, '40s. 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:47.920 I think we need something a little bit more than just like 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:51.439 a rolling aluminum band top. 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.870 We're not dealing with like a 1940s Huckleberry town 00:07:56.870 --> 00:08:00.319 anymore. I don't know. I'm going to throw 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:04.720 this out to commissioners. I'm just a little concerned 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:07.680 about its collapse in the first place. 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:12.120 And I don't know. I want to see something that's going to 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:14.000 be a little more secure 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:17.920 and something that's maybe a little bit more durable than 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:20.800 the bare minimum. 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.000 I will state in the backup, there is the structural report. 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.160 They had to do a structural report because 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:29.970 of insurance and to collect insurance they had to show why 00:08:29.970 --> 00:08:32.000 it failed, how they are going to replace 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:35.220 it. But that is provided in the backup. And I assume they 00:08:35.220 --> 00:08:36.960 have to have a permit for it. 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:41.009 I'm not in a position to judge structural integrity. I don 00:08:41.009 --> 00:08:42.159 't have a degree in that. 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:47.330 But I hear what you're saying. It looked like in the photo, 00:08:47.330 --> 00:08:49.440 like it was ice. 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:55.139 It was ice filled up to exactly what happened. Yeah, but it 00:08:55.139 --> 00:08:57.120 looks to me like maybe in the 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:04.029 new one that seems a little bit more structurally sound. 00:09:04.029 --> 00:09:06.559 Just the frames around it and all you don't 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:13.110 see in the other. We can't tell that from the diagram, but 00:09:13.110 --> 00:09:15.440 I would assume there's a front 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:17.940 gutter this time. There wasn't a gutter previously, so they 00:09:17.940 --> 00:09:19.519 are going to be adding a front gutter. 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:22.299 That was slide off. For drainage. A little more inclination 00:09:22.299 --> 00:09:26.240 . I read this appointment material. 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:28.960 They're going to have a little bit more of an incline. 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:35.690 But I just have concerns. It's like something a little bit 00:09:35.690 --> 00:09:36.000 more. 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:42.399 I think valid concern there too, Mr. Treat. My question is 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:44.879 for staff. 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:52.419 As far as structural design, engineering design for the 00:09:52.419 --> 00:09:53.679 safety for that, 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:59.629 is that done with permits? Like do we know before it comes 00:09:59.629 --> 00:10:01.759 to us, do we know if that's approved with 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:08.470 staff at the city? Because I think it's very concerning. So 00:10:08.470 --> 00:10:09.919 that goes through the building 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:13.350 safety. So this is the step you have to, HLC has to review 00:10:13.350 --> 00:10:15.600 before they even go for building permits. 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:18.730 And that's how the process is set up within the code. That 00:10:18.730 --> 00:10:20.559 's why I'm trying to put in that note 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:23.450 whenever they go in there, because if they need supporting 00:10:23.450 --> 00:10:25.440 poles or something a little bit more 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:30.190 than that rolling aluminum barn top. You see what I mean? I 00:10:30.190 --> 00:10:31.600 want them to know. 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:34.580 I want them to know is like we've seen this and I'm a 00:10:34.580 --> 00:10:36.399 little worried about it. 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:39.769 So I think a difference if maybe to explain it as far as 00:10:39.769 --> 00:10:44.159 aesthetics. Okay, but the structure and 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:47.809 things when we approve something to say, oh we're totally 00:10:47.809 --> 00:10:50.159 fine with it for us to look at the safety 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:53.960 of it because the ice and snow is going to happen again. 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:56.720 Those top supports that go into the brick, 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:59.570 you know how old that brick is? Yes. You see what I'm 00:10:59.570 --> 00:11:03.279 saying? And this is one of the reasons that 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:06.169 the failure happened. I mean it's in the report and they're 00:11:06.169 --> 00:11:08.320 going to fix it. I have fixes. I understand. 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:13.100 But my concern, I just want to be very clear so that 00:11:13.100 --> 00:11:15.279 whenever inspection and safety come in, 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:18.559 I'm like if you need to make additional recommendations 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:19.759 that are more up to par 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:24.649 beyond just our surface appearance things, please go. But 00:11:24.649 --> 00:11:27.840 we can approve with conditions as well. 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:32.350 So we can make a recommendation approved with conditions. 00:11:32.350 --> 00:11:36.320 Okay. As a commission we can do that. 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:40.740 And I think that it's valid. Thank you for bringing that up 00:11:40.740 --> 00:11:42.639 . Any other discussion? 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:46.399 Thoughts? 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:55.580 So I, we would, you have to take a formal vote and I think 00:11:55.580 --> 00:11:59.600 if you all are comfortable with doing 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:02.970 approve with conditions, I'm very comfortable with you all 00:12:02.970 --> 00:12:05.200 doing that, but you all have to 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:09.169 specifically state what that condition is so that either 00:12:09.169 --> 00:12:11.360 building safety knows what to look for 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:15.840 moving forward or I'll give out some examples. You could 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.120 say if you all have to change the supports 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:22.210 and everything when you go to building safety, you need to 00:12:22.210 --> 00:12:24.720 come back for a final HLC review 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:29.960 if it's going to change the look and final design. Or you 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:33.519 can say, you know, we want to, 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:36.659 building safety needs to do X, Y, and Z to ensure that it 00:12:36.659 --> 00:12:38.399 can be supported with the current design. 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:42.059 So I think you just kind of need to put that into your, I 00:12:42.059 --> 00:12:44.480 guess here, right here. It needs to be, 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:47.330 that needs to be read. So it needs to be staff recommends 00:12:47.330 --> 00:12:49.759 approval with conditions, 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:53.149 list the condition and then the rest of it. So since I'm 00:12:53.149 --> 00:12:54.399 the one that's complaining, 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:59.639 laughing, I'll put my name on it. Can you hold that thought 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:00.960 for just one second? 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:04.960 Only because I think, do we have a question or a question? 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:07.200 Okay. So if you'll, can you just? 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:10.389 I have a question before we make a recommendation. Okay. So 00:13:10.389 --> 00:13:12.720 working in architecture in Colorado, 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:16.080 I know that there's building codes, specifically you have 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:19.279 to like calculate for snow loads. 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:21.940 But I would imagine the code that we use here doesn't have 00:13:21.940 --> 00:13:23.600 to take into consideration. Does 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:28.009 it make sense for the recommendation to like, cause if the 00:13:28.009 --> 00:13:30.799 concern is specifically like the weight 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:35.210 of whatever is going to be on it, which is the weather. So 00:13:35.210 --> 00:13:38.879 they operate by the 2021 international 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:42.539 building code. So I would assume that as part of their 00:13:42.539 --> 00:13:44.639 analysis in terms of the load factor 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:47.139 when it comes to the audience being implemented, but I 00:13:47.139 --> 00:13:48.960 cannot necessarily speak for buildings. 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:51.809 Yeah. That's not kind of my purview. So, but I think it's a 00:13:51.809 --> 00:13:52.960 great, it's a great map. 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:59.179 Well, they do include ground snow load by PSF and roof 00:13:59.179 --> 00:14:03.200 light load of 20 PSF. So it looks to me like 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:07.139 they have sometimes though. Well, I guess I don't know if 00:14:07.139 --> 00:14:09.200 this is not, it's not my expertise, 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:14.120 but I wouldn't like in Colorado, those would be potentially 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:17.279 of a higher rate. Right. And so if we're 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:20.710 factoring in for this, maybe happening more regularly, 00:14:20.710 --> 00:14:23.120 maybe we're trying to have 20 pounds 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:28.360 of square foot. It only has to fail once. Yeah. Yeah. 20 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:30.559 pounds per square foot is pretty low, 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:35.549 which would be a historical Texas. Right. Right. But that's 00:14:35.549 --> 00:14:37.679 not what this event was, 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:40.970 but this event was also, if you're taking into account that 00:14:40.970 --> 00:14:42.639 the supports on that were over 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:47.120 Jesus Christ, how many, how many decades old, right? 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:53.019 I don't know how to work that in, but it was to ask them to 00:14:53.019 --> 00:14:54.720 do that. And now I mean, what if we, 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:58.799 specifically, I'm not sure it's our purview to set specific 00:14:58.799 --> 00:14:59.039 like 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:04.039 requirements, but I'm wondering if we could at least put in 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:04.559 there, 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:09.120 keep in mind this is a high traffic area, like, you know, 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:10.559 that sort of thing. 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:17.320 That would suggest whatever maybe heightened standards 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:19.919 could be applied, maybe should be. 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:22.000 We don't set the metric that we ask them to pay attention 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:23.840 to whatever metrics they set. 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:28.220 Right. But I do like the idea of if there need to be any 00:15:28.220 --> 00:15:30.080 structural changes, 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:32.929 it needs to come back before us. If it affects the 00:15:32.929 --> 00:15:33.840 aesthetics of all this. 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:37.039 Did you have a question? Pretty much take care of this. 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:46.519 Any other thoughts? I will say this too. We have several 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:49.279 options. We can approve as presented. 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:53.870 We can be flat denied. We can approve with conditions. I 00:15:53.870 --> 00:15:55.840 believe we can table. 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:58.879 You can table and continue to date certain. 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.250 And we can do that. So we have, I just want to lay that out 00:16:02.250 --> 00:16:04.159 before we get a motion that those are 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:10.850 choices that we have. So at this time, pressure treat, if 00:16:10.850 --> 00:16:11.840 you do have a pause, 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:16.080 you so I'm going to unpause you. Thank you for that. It's 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:16.960 always valuable. 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:25.889 Because I do think that we can approve with conditions. It 00:16:25.889 --> 00:16:26.480 's not that I'm 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.539 reticent about staff recommendations and the standards that 00:16:30.539 --> 00:16:32.080 have been set forth. 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:38.279 I just want to make sure that we, as a commission, give a 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:40.399 little extra license 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:44.620 to have another look, look at this. Because again, I will 00:16:44.620 --> 00:16:45.519 just reinforce, 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.710 I'm very concerned that it failed the way it did. We're 00:16:48.710 --> 00:16:51.279 lucky that no one was there, 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:55.929 but at a high traffic area, et cetera, I would like a 00:16:55.929 --> 00:16:59.440 second look. And so 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:04.990 I really appreciate the ideas that we need to maybe re-ex 00:17:04.990 --> 00:17:07.599 amine the loads and ask 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:11.259 for city staff recommendations and maybe bring it back just 00:17:11.259 --> 00:17:13.279 because appearance wise. 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:20.400 Okay. I'm willing to go with the role Barnertot, but yeah, 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:22.000 I'm worried about the load factors. 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:24.640 And I just want to make sure that city staff knows that 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:25.759 they have our support, 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:29.450 that if they need to recommend more, we're also thinking 00:17:29.450 --> 00:17:31.359 along those same lines. So 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:38.670 if I'm making a motion, it's to approve with conditions and 00:17:38.670 --> 00:17:40.960 the conditions are twofold. 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:48.799 First of all, to examine the load bearing factors. And 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:52.160 number two, to question if there might be 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:57.710 additional structure supports that would make this extra 00:17:57.710 --> 00:18:01.279 safe, that would come from city staff and 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:07.519 engineers. Anything to add? And I'm open to any time. 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:09.200 You wanted to come back before us. 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:13.549 And for it to come back just for us to have it, just a 00:18:13.549 --> 00:18:16.960 blush look at what would that look like? 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:20.359 Because I do understand that if we're adding additional 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:22.720 supports, we might be running a little 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:28.000 bit afoul of the traditional look. Does that make sense? 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:29.519 Like we have like lower supports 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:35.589 that might run afoul to the upper supports. I'm trying to, 00:18:35.589 --> 00:18:38.559 so that I will be quite honest, 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:41.680 I don't think I've ever gotten to approve with conditions 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:45.359 in terms of, I guess, tabling it for 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:50.259 staff to do additional analysis. I think that's what it 00:18:50.259 --> 00:18:52.240 sounds like, at least from my perspective, 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:56.210 is that we're doing approval conditions because the request 00:18:56.210 --> 00:18:57.680 is to do additional, 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:00.859 is it building safety to do these analyses? And if they are 00:19:00.859 --> 00:19:02.960 concerned that it's not going to be able 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:05.990 to support it based off what they're recommending, that 00:19:05.990 --> 00:19:09.200 they then need to come back to HLC? Or is it, 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:11.539 if staff doesn't find any issues that they can continue 00:19:11.539 --> 00:19:13.519 onwards without coming back to HLC? 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:16.180 Or do you all want to hear? So I think that's kind of where 00:19:16.180 --> 00:19:19.200 I'm getting held up because from my 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:23.289 perspective, loads, all that kind of stuff, that doesn't 00:19:23.289 --> 00:19:25.599 fall within my personal purview. I'm just 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:29.319 worried about the design. But the design, if the loads, why 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:32.079 don't they bring it back? 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:35.450 So would it make more sense to table it and request some 00:19:35.450 --> 00:19:39.039 additional analysis on whether 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:42.089 structural changes need to be made to be consistent with 00:19:42.089 --> 00:19:43.599 what John's trying to do? 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:46.450 I think we would just need to do it, continue to a date 00:19:46.450 --> 00:19:48.400 certain, and that would be the next 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:52.109 meeting in September, which I believe is September, Lindsay 00:19:52.109 --> 00:19:53.119 , I'm so sorry, 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:59.019 I think the 14th, I believe, 13th or 14th. In that case, I 00:19:59.019 --> 00:20:00.400 would draw my motion. 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:04.079 September 14th. John, if you want to do it a little better. 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:09.420 So would you be withdrawing your motion? I'll withdraw my 00:20:09.420 --> 00:20:11.200 motion for the approved with 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:19.119 conditions. I'll defer to Dr. Homey if you want to table. 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:23.869 I guess I'll make a motion to table this, our consideration 00:20:23.869 --> 00:20:24.400 of this item, 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:30.829 to give city staff, engineers, whatever, an opportunity to 00:20:30.829 --> 00:20:34.240 evaluate the conditions, 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:38.089 whether structural changes need to be made in order to make 00:20:38.089 --> 00:20:39.759 it safe. 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:44.700 Can you add table till September 14th? I guess I'm happy to 00:20:44.700 --> 00:20:45.759 do so. 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:50.480 Thank you. All right, can we do we have a second? 00:20:55.519 --> 00:21:00.930 Before calling for a vote, can I read some of this? 10.0 00:21:00.930 --> 00:21:04.319 structural design philosophy, rather than 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:07.690 replicate the original connection system exactly, the 00:21:07.690 --> 00:21:10.640 replacement design will improve the load path 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:14.369 into the masonry while preserving the building's appearance 00:21:14.369 --> 00:21:17.359 . The design philosophy includes 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:22.170 distributed reactions into the masonry through bolt through 00:21:22.170 --> 00:21:25.279 bolted connections with steel backing 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:29.839 plates for practical reduced localized bearing stresses, 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:33.359 increased connection redundancy, 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:39.430 maintainability and compatibility construction. 11.0 is 00:21:39.430 --> 00:21:43.039 existing masonry evaluation prior to 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:46.730 installation. The engineer shall verify wall thickness, 00:21:46.730 --> 00:21:49.200 brick condition, water condition, 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:52.980 presence of voids, existing cracks, previous repairs, 00:21:52.980 --> 00:21:55.519 moisture damage, corrosion of embedded 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:59.650 steel. Installation shall not proceed until deteriorated m 00:21:59.650 --> 00:22:01.599 asonry has been repaired. 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:06.349 Just feel like, well, and then there's even more repair 00:22:06.349 --> 00:22:09.599 requirements in general notes. I feel like 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:13.940 they have it brassed along with this. I would agree, but 00:22:13.940 --> 00:22:16.720 even that masonry repair should be coming 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:21.960 to us, should it not? Yes. So that's what kind of gave me a 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:25.599 red flag as well. So when 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:28.210 Commissioner Treat says if that changes it needs to come 00:22:28.210 --> 00:22:30.400 back to us and I just want to make sure 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:34.309 because it says that that us approving it's not giving a 00:22:34.309 --> 00:22:37.039 blanket for them, oh we can just do that 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:40.220 now because that for the masonry if it is on the outside 00:22:40.220 --> 00:22:42.480 that has to come before us as well. 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:52.029 So exactly. Exactly. Okay. So I'm going to, I'll go ahead 00:22:52.029 --> 00:22:56.079 and say my concern is with the material 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:59.490 as far as the looks and things that parents, I think it's 00:22:59.490 --> 00:23:01.359 in line. I don't have a problem with 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:06.829 that, but my concern is the safety with it being it looks 00:23:06.829 --> 00:23:10.799 like galvanized metal, you know, like 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:13.980 and I'm wondering if with some of those structures that we 00:23:13.980 --> 00:23:14.960 have does it even 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:20.460 address that in city code for material, the weight bearing 00:23:20.460 --> 00:23:22.960 for the snow on that material 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:26.329 because it's different on the roofs than it is for an aw 00:23:26.329 --> 00:23:29.359 ning. You know the same with even the 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:32.940 awnings that have to clock overall. You've seen those, you 00:23:32.940 --> 00:23:36.400 know, those they can tear too. So 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:41.640 anyway that that's my concern as well. So I made the motion 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:43.519 but I still have a question. 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:49.279 What information do we want to get received from city staff 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:50.880 that would 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:58.809 away our concerns? Very good question. Very good question. 00:23:58.809 --> 00:24:01.039 I'm going to get their recommendations 00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:04.700 on load bearing, get their recommendations on what current 00:24:04.700 --> 00:24:08.880 best practices would recommend to make sure 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:14.259 that safety is primary concern on that. And then second, 00:24:14.259 --> 00:24:16.640 get those involve any type of 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:21.009 significant alterations that we might have second one. And 00:24:21.009 --> 00:24:22.799 I'm sure they are but I would also like 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.170 to hear that they are aware of why the previous awning 00:24:26.170 --> 00:24:28.240 failed and the times of the fact that that 00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:31.180 area is much more high traffic than it was at the time of 00:24:31.180 --> 00:24:33.920 the previous awning. And Ms. Fatt, to your point, 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:36.769 like the recommendations they're making in that and it's 00:24:36.769 --> 00:24:38.240 absolutely those are the things that 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:43.119 they're looking for or whatever. I just want to ensure that 00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:45.599 that wasn't a going to be a pencil 00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:51.710 check off, send it to us, do it. Right? I want to be like 00:24:51.710 --> 00:24:53.680 we're paying attention. 00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:58.009 I need some assurances you're paying attention. And so we 00:24:58.009 --> 00:25:00.960 can do some assurances right just 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:04.910 assurance quality control. Perhaps we could also ask and 00:25:04.910 --> 00:25:07.359 obviously they're not particularly doing 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:12.890 the work but I suppose an engineer maybe could tell us 00:25:12.890 --> 00:25:16.640 based on what this plan is how significant 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:20.150 are the masonry repairs likely to be right it may be very 00:25:20.150 --> 00:25:22.799 minor you know we may be overthinking it 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:26.150 I don't know but they may be like no no no this is going to 00:25:26.150 --> 00:25:27.680 be really extensive. 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:31.319 When we get the backup material my thought was I would have 00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:33.680 liked to dumb for them to come before 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.109 us with all of it at one time. Okay here's the masonry that 00:25:37.109 --> 00:25:39.119 needs to be repaired here's what 00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:42.539 we found is the damage the water damage I was hoping they 00:25:42.539 --> 00:25:44.720 would have already done that then 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:47.900 us approve it on again then find it for this for the safety 00:25:47.900 --> 00:25:49.920 . Yeah we had a failure we're not just 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:52.970 addressing a cosmetic thing so there was a failure and 00:25:52.970 --> 00:25:55.119 either the business was negligent or 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:58.609 city code enforcement's negligent I'm not saying there's 00:25:58.609 --> 00:26:00.799 negligence what I'm saying what I am 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:04.150 saying is there was a failure and we want to make sure that 00:26:04.150 --> 00:26:07.119 doesn't happen again and that's all. 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:09.839 So it does feel kind of PCO is what you're saying. That's 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:12.079 what I'm saying I kind of think it's the 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:16.109 cart before the horse and I was hoping that we would have 00:26:16.109 --> 00:26:19.680 had that structure first to make sure 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:24.750 it was sound before we're approving this so I agree with 00:26:24.750 --> 00:26:28.240 tabling it to find out from city staff 00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:31.890 on low bearing and as I would like city staff to know that 00:26:31.890 --> 00:26:34.160 we're not opposed to the material 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:39.230 that they're using if it is safe and the way that they're 00:26:39.230 --> 00:26:42.000 going to construct it is safe. 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:48.960 And I will just preface that in terms of the building code 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.559 if it is like a new construction 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:55.420 if they're wanting they do have to follow obviously the 00:26:55.420 --> 00:26:57.519 2021 international building code 00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:01.329 when it usually comes in historic structures they are more 00:27:01.329 --> 00:27:03.359 lenient obviously they don't want any 00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:08.369 safety hazards or public health issues coming as a factor 00:27:08.369 --> 00:27:11.279 but that might change the design so I 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:13.150 think it I think it is a good thing that you all are 00:27:13.150 --> 00:27:14.960 wanting to bring it back you know continue 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:18.329 to attain certain bring it back I will just state that if 00:27:18.329 --> 00:27:20.319 there is concerns with the load 00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:23.509 bearing everything the design could potentially change 00:27:23.509 --> 00:27:26.079 drastically where it might not be historical 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.740 in context. Because what is what we're talking about does 00:27:29.740 --> 00:27:31.759 that give you enough direction or 00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:34.630 would that give you enough direction in terms of 00:27:34.630 --> 00:27:37.759 information needed? Oh yes yeah I can definitely 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:40.609 bring this to our building safety team and have a full 00:27:40.609 --> 00:27:42.319 discussion I can actually be able to bring 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:46.130 answers with the presentation. All right so just to recap 00:27:46.130 --> 00:27:49.039 we have a motion we have a second to table 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:55.670 till September 14th meeting and asking for information from 00:27:55.670 --> 00:27:57.519 city staff on low bearing 00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:02.430 construction safety of of the request and if there are we 00:28:02.430 --> 00:28:05.359 will come back and have a report from them 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.839 all right so all in favor of the motion raise and say aye 00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:12.400 any opposed all right 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:23.930 all right moving on item 4a number hlc 26-033 on our agenda 00:28:23.930 --> 00:28:25.599 is to hold a discussion regarding 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:28.880 the next steps of the designation research committee and 00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.119 the community outreach subcommittee 00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:34.490 to assist in the establishment of a potential new local 00:28:34.490 --> 00:28:36.799 historic district generally located 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.170 along the north alm street and north locust street 00:28:40.170 --> 00:28:43.119 corridors between west mckinney street and west 00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:51.160 university. So I'm still just like lost in data and 00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:54.079 everything is taking forever but I 00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:56.799 I think I have a couple questions. 00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:04.819 The first I think is I think it I think it might be a good 00:29:04.819 --> 00:29:07.599 idea a good time to start 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:13.519 picking out some addresses of note the buildings of note 00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:17.839 and I'm certainly willing to take any 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:21.809 specific suggestions I don't know the best way to do that 00:29:21.809 --> 00:29:24.400 like if they send you suggestions and 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:27.589 then you just send me yes that yeah that works maybe 00:29:27.589 --> 00:29:31.759 something along those lines and you know 00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:36.190 because I'm going to try I need to find the block the 00:29:36.190 --> 00:29:39.839 census block records to try to track people 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:43.519 but I mean I think so you know there's a lot of addresses 00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:44.960 we are it's a language that I mean we 00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:48.609 can do but anyway so I think maybe trying to focus in on 00:29:48.609 --> 00:29:51.359 some key addresses spinning wheels is a great 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:56.599 example. The sleeping lizards building. There may be other 00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:57.279 buildings of interest. 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:07.259 And maybe ones that you think are representative of that 00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:09.839 area right not just spinning wheels 00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:14.259 because it's spinning wheels right but there's ones that 00:30:14.259 --> 00:30:16.160 architecturally speak to you. 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:21.609 I think that will help me at least start to maybe have more 00:30:21.609 --> 00:30:23.279 of a product to give you. 00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:27.490 There's a house on the corner the white house I think it's 00:30:27.490 --> 00:30:30.880 on locusts on the corner and it has 00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:36.319 I think it might be an event place right now big two-story. 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.900 I know you know what the one down from ground law house or 00:30:41.900 --> 00:30:43.920 the one like two houses down from ground 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:47.289 law house is that I think it's it's a wide and they have 00:30:47.289 --> 00:30:49.759 events there and they have parking on 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:52.329 the side and in the back on the side street you know 00:30:52.329 --> 00:30:54.400 roughly what block that would be in 00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:57.690 or like what intersection oh where joseph's was no it's 00:30:57.690 --> 00:31:00.480 down from joseph okay north north 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:10.559 is that bed and breakfast I think that might be that's what 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:11.839 we're next door to joseph where 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:14.690 joseph's was no except that one but that one too that bed 00:31:14.690 --> 00:31:16.720 breakfast one this one too and this is an 00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:20.380 additional way so just a little bit north of which i'll 00:31:20.380 --> 00:31:23.200 take a look you know another one that might 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:26.859 be also fun is the building where that artisanal butcher 00:31:26.859 --> 00:31:29.200 just went into the old car dealership 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:37.019 yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah hey john in the um the list or the 00:31:37.019 --> 00:31:42.160 file or the database or something that 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:46.759 we have are those in any kind of order what do you mean 00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:50.079 hope that just as I just scroll through it 00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:52.950 goes from elm street to first street oh did you send that 00:31:52.950 --> 00:31:55.599 out to everybody yes okay cool um 00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.019 I'm not actually sure what that looks like because that's 00:32:00.019 --> 00:32:01.359 not how I work with it but 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:04.730 I can put it in a better order no it didn't matter I just 00:32:04.730 --> 00:32:07.759 wondered if there was an order yeah 00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:13.119 well I have it on my view I can like I have a clickable map 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:14.240 so I can literally just click 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:19.480 on a property and pull out uh what is available for that um 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:27.119 so if you if there's a better 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:33.950 organize it you know wait no I just kind of wonder about 00:32:33.950 --> 00:32:39.039 there was yeah um I mean that's yeah and I 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:43.630 wonder if the meat market is 505 north elm that was once 00:32:43.630 --> 00:32:46.640 owned by what Nats well I would imagine 00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:50.400 the car dealership definitely it's from that which are a 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.799 lot of those buildings right no but 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:56.529 that's what that was that was didn't bowl before the meat 00:32:56.529 --> 00:32:58.559 market right that's right yeah 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:03.599 for a multi-nation yeah what's a multi-nation or now it's 00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:07.519 Montgomery bowl or whatever it's changed 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:14.549 1010 north elm where burger burger dental is 1010 north 00:33:14.549 --> 00:33:17.039 what's there right burger dental 00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:21.420 it's a very new entry ball then I'm sure your interest is 00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:24.400 in it is because he's also my dentist 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:35.359 just a little bit no I'm not sure you don't have I know um 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:37.920 yes yeah the motor yeah 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:44.599 I like that so anyway again so if anyone was a request you 00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:45.920 know right at this moment but if 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:51.490 you have any other questions I'll try to start because I 00:33:51.490 --> 00:33:55.359 mean I can go I mean you can get lost 00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.220 in all these things oh yeah what years at some point I have 00:33:58.220 --> 00:34:00.079 to start showing change over time 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.599 I'd like to thank you I appreciate all the research and the 00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:08.239 work that's been done um 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:23.800 with this committee okay I was like oh I can't tell you 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:26.400 guys or your work on it 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:34.889 all right we're ready to move on item 4b number hlc 26-034 00:34:34.889 --> 00:34:37.199 to receive a report and hold the 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:40.070 discussion and give staff direction on the historic 00:34:40.070 --> 00:34:42.159 landmark commission request for local 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:46.099 historic designation of eligible historic properties do we 00:34:46.099 --> 00:34:48.800 have any properties that 00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:53.099 anyone's interested in going forward well the one that I 00:34:53.099 --> 00:34:55.679 had briefly discussed with you right 00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:59.110 it's gonna sounds like it's gonna fall through okay unless 00:34:59.110 --> 00:35:02.000 you have lots of money that you can 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:15.980 offer so I have some um it's kind of so I have two 00:35:15.980 --> 00:35:18.960 properties that I was doing Texas 00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:22.059 Historic Landmark Visitation Board one of them was Oak 00:35:22.059 --> 00:35:25.360 Street Graph House um it was turned down 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:30.130 this year and the reason it was turned down is they didn't 00:35:30.130 --> 00:35:32.400 pay their hundred dollar fee on time 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:41.820 um however I did research that I'll share with city so that 00:35:41.820 --> 00:35:44.719 maybe city can move forward and do 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:47.909 some type of designation that helps us for this next year's 00:35:47.909 --> 00:35:49.840 application which I've been encouraged 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:57.769 okay that's great uh the other is a house uh over on uh all 00:35:57.769 --> 00:36:00.719 right um I'll send to you it's one of the 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:05.079 it's one of the gothic houses that got moved over um and 00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:09.840 Denny okay over in Denny Lindsay 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:12.710 yes on the Lindsay street that's it I checked piano lessons 00:36:12.710 --> 00:36:16.159 it's the local landmark property 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:19.530 uh so yes I was working on a designation for him but 00:36:19.530 --> 00:36:22.159 because it had been moved from downtown 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:26.480 to its current spot it's not eligible until 2027 00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.630 and they they told me that they noticed that on my 00:36:32.630 --> 00:36:37.039 application oh okay but it hits its 50 years 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:41.250 for that move this next year and so I've already done the 00:36:41.250 --> 00:36:44.159 work I want to share that okay with me 00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:49.400 and make sure that we are coming up to talk for this next 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:49.599 year 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:56.079 limit I have a problem now okay uh the scalp oh my gosh the 00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:56.719 scalp type 00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:02.909 that by evers part yeah that one oh wow uh they are they're 00:37:02.909 --> 00:37:04.800 already it sounds like they're already 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:09.099 working towards like state or national designation um and I 00:37:09.099 --> 00:37:11.679 haven't been able to sit down with the 00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:16.030 person in charge of all of that um because of some health 00:37:16.030 --> 00:37:20.639 issues was that moved from it was 00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:28.110 so I know I can't see for certain day I don't want to know 00:37:28.110 --> 00:37:29.280 that news right now okay sorry 00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:33.920 I guess you type it dead and it's immediate negative news 00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:36.800 so okay so where's it it's uh 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:46.079 steamers park uh right there right there yeah yeah oh okay 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:48.320 so so it's in that little yeah 00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.590 I haven't had a chance to sit down and like kind of 00:37:53.590 --> 00:37:58.159 suggests whatever but they are currently 00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:01.809 trying to raise money because that siting is falling apart 00:38:01.809 --> 00:38:04.320 and the original is still underneath it 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:12.719 but it is the log it was the log I don't know maybe it was 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.239 not the original original it was 00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:17.900 something it's siding but it's void but anyway they're 00:38:17.900 --> 00:38:20.320 raising money currently to try to replace 00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:24.659 that so and there is a chance perhaps of convincing them to 00:38:24.659 --> 00:38:27.119 go to the local process as well because 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.840 there is at least money and obviously they need some help 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:32.960 because I mean of course all that was 00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.760 done off the books no whatever it's been moved I've kind of 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.719 looked into it I mean I mean they 00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.559 they're they have a they have some organization going on 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.440 right now yeah yeah yeah haven't planned 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:50.039 right now and in past years I haven't helped fix I call it 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.639 fix that signing they they have never 00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:57.599 applied to numerous emails to them yeah I was in that trip 00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.960 so they'll use it you know where they 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.610 live yeah so you can show up at their door yeah main person 00:39:04.610 --> 00:39:06.480 had a major surgery and I haven't 00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:11.289 been speaking with them since but I guess once you kind of 00:39:11.289 --> 00:39:13.840 are able to touch base with him 00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:17.559 um yeah I wouldn't put it like oh yeah no no I know um and 00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:19.840 we can kind of move forward do 00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:23.570 they have any historic photographs or anything of what it 00:39:23.570 --> 00:39:25.280 looked like I'm assuming they do 00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:32.130 but I wasn't sure okay we kind of go yeah I'll try to get a 00:39:32.130 --> 00:39:34.719 meeting and just to discuss possible 00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:40.679 okay sounds good because I'm recalling that one in the park 00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:43.039 I think it was the Girl Scout 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:49.019 yes I think it was all uh it was all offices for the Girl 00:39:49.019 --> 00:39:51.599 Scouts so that maybe it wasn't 00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:54.780 great it got moved from Quaker Town it's okay it got moved 00:39:54.780 --> 00:39:58.480 down to 380 right it's going to 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:04.550 380 right Midwest yes it was moved out there but this it 00:40:04.550 --> 00:40:06.320 would have been built I would guess right 00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:10.980 around 1918 that's when the troop originated um it may have 00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:13.360 been a couple years after or something 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:19.730 so this probably are these are two different ones I don't 00:40:19.730 --> 00:40:22.159 remember that my mom worked in the 00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:25.760 she worked well and this one got moved a long time ago I 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:29.760 could literally yeah yeah yeah yeah 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:32.949 yeah I really got that donated yeah I found the article 00:40:32.949 --> 00:40:34.960 whatever that scout hut was donated 00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:38.389 about the Evers family right so it's actually part of the E 00:40:38.389 --> 00:40:42.400 vers farm that's city property 00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:46.050 no no it is now that's the thing is they carved that off it 00:40:46.050 --> 00:40:47.360 was originally part of the Evers 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:50.000 yeah that they carved off during the city which is why 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.239 right it's being developed around okay 00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:56.780 anyway I'll see if I can fix the products oh that'd be 00:40:56.780 --> 00:40:57.519 wonderful thanks 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.559 any anyone else have anything to recommend 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:11.150 all right we're going to keep moving item 4b number hlc 26- 00:41:11.150 --> 00:41:13.920 035 on our agenda is hold a discussion 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.800 regarding the historic landmark commission project matrix 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:26.929 so exciting news regarding the former entry wall the county 00:41:26.929 --> 00:41:30.079 I reached out both to GDAC 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:33.269 and the county the county has expressed interest in 00:41:33.269 --> 00:41:36.079 obtaining the wall I did ask them for 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:39.679 last week for some clarity in terms of where they would 00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:43.360 want it located all of that just so we can 00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:48.599 have some idea before we officially sign it over this is 00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:52.639 yeah yeah yeah so it's in the dme easement 00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:56.289 so the city is able to get it out of there we can get the 00:41:56.289 --> 00:41:57.519 access we don't have to get 00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:00.429 text-off permission we don't have to do any of that I went 00:42:00.429 --> 00:42:02.239 out with DME on site and was able to 00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:05.900 kind of walk through that but we just kind of had to find a 00:42:05.900 --> 00:42:08.400 location for it and someone of interest 00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:13.750 just because kind of talking through internally from staff 00:42:13.750 --> 00:42:16.559 one of our biggest worries if you know 00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:19.070 if we place it a city park or anything like that one of our 00:42:19.070 --> 00:42:20.719 current rec centers it would kind of 00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:24.590 get lost yeah in its location and Denton county is 00:42:24.590 --> 00:42:28.239 obviously the experts and kind of relocating 00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:32.119 homes kind of telling that larger story that or GDAC in 00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:35.039 terms of kind of interpretive art once 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.909 it's kind of moved it could become considered interpretive 00:42:37.909 --> 00:42:41.519 art of some sort but we never heard 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:45.179 back from GDAC and then Denton county had like I said has 00:42:45.179 --> 00:42:47.280 stated interests and said that they 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:50.469 would be interested in having it being moved but I'm 00:42:50.469 --> 00:42:53.280 waiting for clarification where exactly they 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:55.760 would want it moved to probably what I thought of the idea 00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:57.440 with GDAC unofficially they're really 00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.619 on to the process they were intrigued by the piece they 00:43:00.619 --> 00:43:02.559 were not terribly intrigued by the 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:06.219 idea of having it on their property so no I can see the 00:43:06.219 --> 00:43:08.400 historic the historic part to see it 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:11.679 getting much better yeah being able to interpret that into 00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:13.920 these kind of generational pieces right 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:17.820 perhaps even by the the wooden building yeah yeah yeah I 00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:19.760 could see it fitting in really great 00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.059 so we're just waiting back I'll let you all know what they 00:43:24.059 --> 00:43:27.119 kind of their general idea of where they 00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:30.769 want to place it um I will say staff did actually recommend 00:43:30.769 --> 00:43:32.719 their Evers farm location just because 00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:36.090 it's north of university and kind of is represented that 00:43:36.090 --> 00:43:39.920 agricultural aspect but still having her 00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.039 so I'll let you know if they like that idea or not I am 00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:46.000 afraid that the downtown historic part it 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:49.440 just is swallowing up everything and so at a certain point 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.000 it's hard to tell different stories 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.840 yeah it kind of something like that especially like let's 00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:58.719 feast in family because the thing is 00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:00.670 they're not sure what how they're going to interpret that 00:44:00.670 --> 00:44:01.920 up there they're actually still 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:05.139 I don't want to get anybody in trouble but they're still 00:44:05.139 --> 00:44:08.000 trying to like clarify what the city meant by 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.250 what was going on with the Evers Park property if they were 00:44:10.250 --> 00:44:13.280 transferring city ownership of that 00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:17.730 property to county or they were just taking possession of 00:44:17.730 --> 00:44:19.760 thing it's it's out there yeah 00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:22.250 we're gonna let the new council work it out so I have no 00:44:22.250 --> 00:44:25.440 idea um but I don't I don't hate the idea 00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:29.260 I like the idea of like turning that true interpretive 00:44:29.260 --> 00:44:33.440 space as well um but again I'm also not mad about 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.300 putting in his short part because it can work there that 00:44:37.300 --> 00:44:39.360 story could work and part of the timeline 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.369 I think she did so that's all I gotta say about them so I 00:44:43.369 --> 00:44:46.239 'll definitely keep you all updated 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:49.590 hopefully I have something um come September appreciate 00:44:49.590 --> 00:44:54.000 your work of course and then uh the 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:59.019 rest of our items are ongoing um in terms of just kind of 00:44:59.019 --> 00:45:01.679 well I guess I think we do this in 00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:04.199 concluding items so never mind but yes so these are the 00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:07.519 rest of our items um I don't know if you 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:12.190 all want to add anything additional or if we are good with 00:45:12.190 --> 00:45:15.119 this is there anything that's come up 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:19.190 that's kind of you know intrigue you all that uh you would 00:45:19.190 --> 00:45:22.159 like additional research or something 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:26.619 else to add or so part of the matrix now that we're 00:45:26.619 --> 00:45:30.800 Halloween town um I just want to throw this out 00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:32.719 I don't think we need to make a decision that tonight which 00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:33.840 is why I just want to bring it up 00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:38.489 um I feel like this might become a new year-round kind of 00:45:38.489 --> 00:45:40.000 uh I mean 00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:43.800 Denton is Halloween capital of Texas is going to become a 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:45.440 recurring thing and I think the Historic 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:49.099 Commission have an active role so I feel like perhaps 00:45:49.099 --> 00:45:52.079 placing on the active matrix something 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:56.019 about Halloween initiatives and just leave that as a place 00:45:56.019 --> 00:46:00.559 holder and nothing to do tonight or 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:03.409 decisions to make tonight but to maybe push that forward 00:46:03.409 --> 00:46:07.920 because here we are in August we are 00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:12.059 less than 60 days out from the start of Halloween so I'm 00:46:12.059 --> 00:46:16.960 just throwing that out there and um I think 00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:23.030 that item might be a useful addition to uh things that um 00:46:23.030 --> 00:46:26.559 our commission can say that we're actively 00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:30.409 doing is to be an active participant in those events every 00:46:30.409 --> 00:46:32.159 year I'm hearing you say you want 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.670 to build a haunted house that looks really old we already 00:46:34.670 --> 00:46:37.119 have one it's called 1926 00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:45.340 well I think we need more to he's recommended to put 00:46:45.340 --> 00:46:47.599 something on the matrix we have anyone 00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:50.650 in favor don't we have to have yes we need to have at least 00:46:50.650 --> 00:46:50.960 three 00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:59.599 wonderful anything else to add to the matrix 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:09.849 so our next anything else any other additional business to 00:47:09.849 --> 00:47:12.159 discuss the commission tonight 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:19.599 going once I have items but I'm just waiting to see yes I 00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:20.480 have items to share 00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:28.480 um so we have an exciting potential project coming downtown 00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:29.840 you all might have seen the signage on 00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:33.500 the golf station um it is not locally designated it is not 00:47:33.500 --> 00:47:36.000 recognized by the national register 00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:40.099 it was determined it wasn't even determined eligible but 00:47:40.099 --> 00:47:43.840 for back in the 1996 survey 00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:46.210 because it wasn't 50 years old at the time during that uh 00:47:46.210 --> 00:47:50.320 but they are looking to do some restoration 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:54.300 work on the outside of the golf station get that up and 00:47:54.300 --> 00:47:58.480 running again for public use so I've met 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:10.260 it is yes I believe it's 301 that's really close 301 301 00:48:10.260 --> 00:48:12.239 and 302 is what I was thinking 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:18.440 I think maybe three or one more guess I'm sorry that is an 00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:20.559 educated guess based off of 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.690 but again it's on the McKinney and locus that corner but um 00:48:25.690 --> 00:48:28.480 so just want to share that with you 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:33.110 all um as staff I've met with the general the owner I've 00:48:33.110 --> 00:48:36.239 talked about opportunities with national 00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:39.900 register um designation I've talked about the state uh 00:48:39.900 --> 00:48:43.039 opportunities I've also talked about local and 00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:47.420 with those tax exemption um opportunities there so he's he 00:48:47.420 --> 00:48:50.800 's kind of weighing the options right now 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:54.179 so we'll see but I kind of did that initial education um 00:48:54.179 --> 00:48:56.079 confirmed that he does have a 00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:01.250 gentleman who's involved who has worked on historic 00:49:01.250 --> 00:49:03.360 properties because I did say you know that is kind 00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:07.789 of a key you know um former gas station and car repair 00:49:07.789 --> 00:49:11.280 location and that it's very prominent on 00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:15.349 that corner people love it and so he's very much aware that 00:49:15.349 --> 00:49:17.760 um he wants to do his due diligence by 00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:20.130 it and make sure that it's a quality product so just want 00:49:20.130 --> 00:49:21.840 to kind of give you all a heads up that 00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:24.889 that is kind of in the progress I'm hoping that he'll come 00:49:24.889 --> 00:49:26.800 forward for local designations that 00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:30.460 you will have the opportunity um because I know that's 00:49:30.460 --> 00:49:33.119 something since I've started that the 00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.969 commission has brought up here and there randomly just 00:49:35.969 --> 00:49:38.000 saying do you think we can get any progress 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:41.969 there so I think it's a new owner and what it was a few 00:49:41.969 --> 00:49:46.559 years yes I believe so yes yeah so yeah so 00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:49.760 I'm hopeful so just wanted to share that fun exciting news 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:51.679 and hopefully keeps continue to be 00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:55.829 exciting and new um new information there um in terms of 00:49:55.829 --> 00:49:59.360 our southeast denton um historic 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:03.369 resource survey consultant we staff made an internal final 00:50:03.369 --> 00:50:05.199 decision today I can't share 00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:08.250 that news until we've let the consultant know but I'll be 00:50:08.250 --> 00:50:10.400 excited to share that with you all 00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:14.170 next meeting um and we're excited to get that project going 00:50:14.170 --> 00:50:16.559 I think I think it will get I think 00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:18.929 it will be a good experience and um definitely will be an 00:50:18.929 --> 00:50:20.719 opportunity for the commission to get 00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:24.760 involved especially with some education and training um and 00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:26.719 ensuring that the community 00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.570 knows what's going on um obviously staff has had some 00:50:29.570 --> 00:50:31.760 lessons learned from south ridge and how those 00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:37.000 conversations went you know I'm only humans we've learned 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:39.519 um but um so I think it will be a great 00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:42.559 opportunity though for the commission to get involved um 00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:44.480 for that historic resource survey 00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:46.980 especially since it's at the national register level and a 00:50:46.980 --> 00:50:48.639 nomination will be coming out of that 00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:52.300 so I think it's really a really good practice for you all 00:50:52.300 --> 00:50:54.559 practice for staff and also just making 00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:57.570 sure that the neighborhood gets excited about preserving 00:50:57.570 --> 00:51:01.360 the history um in terms of other 00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:06.110 additional information some staff did attend the national 00:51:06.110 --> 00:51:08.960 the napc forum which is the national 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:11.989 alliance for preservation commissions uh that was held in 00:51:11.989 --> 00:51:13.840 minneapolis we went at the end of 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:18.860 july and uh we were able to train some planning staff and 00:51:18.860 --> 00:51:21.199 historic preservation which is really 00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:25.500 exciting hailey got you means me hailey got to go um so now 00:51:25.500 --> 00:51:27.920 she's like oh I understand like some of 00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:31.710 the like lingo you're using everything um but it was very 00:51:31.710 --> 00:51:35.519 informative we got some good um ideas 00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.570 for the preservation program kind of still formulating 00:51:38.570 --> 00:51:40.400 those met internally with hailey 00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:43.420 and our director charlie i was involved to kind of just 00:51:43.420 --> 00:51:46.000 talk through some preliminary ideas but 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:48.369 i'm hoping I can have some exciting news and some 00:51:48.369 --> 00:51:51.119 additional information to share with you all um 00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:55.530 in september and in the fall so yeah thank you and now i'm 00:51:55.530 --> 00:51:58.480 done well it sparked an idea 00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:05.010 so if that golf station is to go through the one right over 00:52:05.010 --> 00:52:07.679 here on elm which has the big 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:12.079 like glass window which would be and they decorated all for 00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:14.400 christmas yes 00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:23.519 which one the one right here the other one yeah 00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:27.360 or i get my own little change that's right 00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:32.800 all right anything else 00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:41.039 all right we are adjourned at 6 23 p.m