1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Thank you. All right. We have time to call the meeting of 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,439 the Historic Landmark Commission 3 00:00:08,439 --> 00:00:13,189 to order on August 10th, 2026. It is 530. If you will 4 00:00:13,189 --> 00:00:18,960 please stand before me to do my 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,019 pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of 6 00:00:22,019 --> 00:00:24,399 the United States of America 7 00:00:24,399 --> 00:00:29,199 and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under 8 00:00:29,199 --> 00:00:31,839 God, indivisible, with liberty 9 00:00:31,839 --> 00:00:36,799 and justice for all. Honor the Texas flag. I pledge 10 00:00:36,799 --> 00:00:40,880 allegiance to the Texas, one state 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,320 under God, one and indivisible. 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:45,520 Wave all. 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,000 I was going to just leave that because I need that. 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:48,880 Oh, sorry. 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:54,960 No, I was waiting for you to do that. I'm just going to 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:54,960 give you the floor for that. 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,829 That's right. All right. I do not see anyone from the 18 00:00:59,829 --> 00:01:02,960 public to speak, so we will move 19 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,950 on with that. We're going to move on to our next item for 20 00:01:07,950 --> 00:01:11,680 consideration is HLC 26-043 21 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,870 to approve the minutes of the July 13th, 2026 Historic Land 22 00:01:15,870 --> 00:01:18,480 mark Commission regular meeting. 23 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,439 I move for approval as submitted. 24 00:01:21,439 --> 00:01:22,000 Okay. 25 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:22,640 I will second. 26 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:25,680 One of the John's will second you, John. 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,569 All right. We have approval and a motion to approve as 28 00:01:30,569 --> 00:01:32,879 written and a second. All in favor, 29 00:01:32,879 --> 00:01:36,540 raise your hand. Any right votes? Okay. Any amendments for 30 00:01:36,540 --> 00:01:36,879 that? 31 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,840 All right. The next item on our agenda is to consider COA 32 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,519 26-00002 33 00:01:47,519 --> 00:01:51,319 to hold the public meeting and consider an application for 34 00:01:51,319 --> 00:01:53,120 certificate of appropriateness 35 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,010 in accordance with section 2.9.2 of the Denton Development 36 00:01:57,010 --> 00:01:59,120 Code to restore the awning at the 37 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:05,189 commercial building located at 118-120 North Locust Street. 38 00:02:05,189 --> 00:02:07,280 This site is located on the east side of 39 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,639 North Locust Street between East Oak Street and East Hick 40 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,120 ory Street within the Denton Square District. 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,759 All right. Thank you, Chair. 42 00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:19,110 Sure. At least we don't have the podium, so it's going to 43 00:02:19,110 --> 00:02:20,240 be a little boring for a while. 44 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:26,229 As stated, this is 118-120 North Locust Street, also known 45 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:28,000 as the Downtown Mini Ball 2. 46 00:02:29,039 --> 00:02:32,060 It is located on the east side of the square. It is located 47 00:02:32,060 --> 00:02:33,759 within the Denton Square District. 48 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:37,409 It is also a local landmark as well as a contributing 49 00:02:37,409 --> 00:02:38,240 property to the National 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,610 Register Historic District of the square. The applicant is 51 00:02:41,610 --> 00:02:43,439 Shirley Will and the construction 52 00:02:43,439 --> 00:02:48,419 date was circa 1913. So this is just a little bit about the 53 00:02:48,419 --> 00:02:51,680 property and its alterations over time. 54 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,840 We have the 1938 property when it was the plate lunch. We 55 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:00,080 also have our 1940s photo where we see 56 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,849 that thicker banding along the awning, some change there. 57 00:03:03,849 --> 00:03:07,439 2024, which I think most people are most 58 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:11,780 familiar with, and then present day without the awning 59 00:03:11,780 --> 00:03:14,879 itself. So the request is to install a 60 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:18,599 new awning where the former awning once was. Currently the 61 00:03:18,599 --> 00:03:20,639 design or the design does show 62 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,300 it is compatible with the current design and layout of the 63 00:03:24,300 --> 00:03:26,000 property, but it does have a new 64 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,210 banding design around those edges. The materials will 65 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:33,520 continue to be the roll-formed aluminum canopy 66 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,550 and then the steel support rods. These are just some of the 67 00:03:37,550 --> 00:03:40,960 framing plans. So it's 8 by 52 feet, 68 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,259 so it is quite large, but those are the current or the 69 00:03:45,259 --> 00:03:48,000 former designs and boundaries or just 70 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,370 dimensions of that awning. Same dimensions as what was 71 00:03:51,370 --> 00:03:52,879 previously there, I guess. 72 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,759 So looking at staff's analysis, it did look at the 73 00:03:56,759 --> 00:04:00,319 standards for rehabilitation, specifically 74 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:03,979 Criterion 9, which is talking about exterior alterations 75 00:04:03,979 --> 00:04:05,520 that do not destroy the historic 76 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,389 materials, features, or spatial relationship that's 77 00:04:08,389 --> 00:04:10,319 characterized the property, but the 78 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:14,969 new work will be differentiated from the old. Staff also 79 00:04:14,969 --> 00:04:18,240 looked at Section 410-7, which is 80 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,120 part of the Denton Square District, specifically looking at 81 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,360 fenestration, glazing, entry standards, 82 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,160 and under that is the awnings. So staff is recommending 83 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,360 approval as submitted for the COA 84 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,860 to restore the awning at 118 120 North Locust Street as it 85 00:04:35,860 --> 00:04:37,759 meets our Secretary of Interiors 86 00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:41,470 for Standards of Rehabilitation in Section 410-7, which is 87 00:04:41,470 --> 00:04:43,040 the Denton Square District. 88 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,079 And I can stand for any questions. I have two questions. 89 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:48,639 Yes. One, if I'm understanding 90 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:51,829 correctly, it still looks slightly different than the one 91 00:04:51,829 --> 00:04:54,240 that is replacing, but same basic look? 92 00:04:54,240 --> 00:05:01,500 Yes. Okay. Second question, do we know when, I guess, the 93 00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:04,399 prior awning was put in with like 94 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:08,810 one of that look? So... You showed us two other examples 95 00:05:08,810 --> 00:05:12,160 that were older. It obviously is after 96 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:18,230 1940. Do we have any idea when? Unfortunately, I looked 97 00:05:18,230 --> 00:05:21,360 into it. I couldn't find any historic 98 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,879 documentation showing when it changed, but the applicant 99 00:05:25,879 --> 00:05:27,920 did say that they were trying to go 100 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,930 something that was reflective of the 1940s, because that's 101 00:05:30,930 --> 00:05:32,319 the period of significance for 102 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:36,779 that historic district, is early 1900s, the 1940s, but they 103 00:05:36,779 --> 00:05:39,199 didn't want to obviously copy it exactly. 104 00:05:41,759 --> 00:05:44,480 I mean, it's been there since at least the 80s. Yeah. I 105 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,399 know that much, but I can't say more than 106 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:48,980 all. Okay. So we don't know how old the awning was that 107 00:05:48,980 --> 00:05:52,240 they installed, that fell down and collapsed? 108 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,220 No, we don't know when that was installed. We don't know 109 00:05:54,220 --> 00:05:54,959 when that was installed, 110 00:05:54,959 --> 00:05:57,610 because that was installed before we had any... We didn't 111 00:05:57,610 --> 00:06:01,519 have the other... So in terms of... 112 00:06:02,319 --> 00:06:05,160 It could have been the 1940s awning with that additional 113 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,519 banding removed. It could have been 114 00:06:07,519 --> 00:06:12,089 the 1938. It could have been the 1938. It does look very 115 00:06:12,089 --> 00:06:14,240 similar to the 1938 style, 116 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,459 and then the 1940s might have included a banding, but like 117 00:06:17,459 --> 00:06:18,720 I said, I didn't find any 118 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,240 strong documentation between the 1940s. And if you go to 119 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,759 2007, it looks exactly what you saw in 2024. 120 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:32,949 But I will take your own knowledge, because if you grew up 121 00:06:32,949 --> 00:06:34,879 coming to the square and you have that 122 00:06:34,879 --> 00:06:38,250 knowledge, it looks similar to what you know. But as I 123 00:06:38,250 --> 00:06:40,399 stated, kind of looking at that standards 124 00:06:40,399 --> 00:06:43,519 for rehabilitation, we don't want to do necessarily like 125 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:45,839 for like. They want to add the awning back, 126 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,689 be compatible with the square, be compatible with the 127 00:06:48,689 --> 00:06:52,240 structure itself. But we don't want it to be... 128 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,490 Because we don't have... They're not looking at all the 129 00:06:56,490 --> 00:06:58,399 historic photographs and evidence. 130 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,490 They're going for more, let's get that awning back in place 131 00:07:02,490 --> 00:07:04,240 versus let's do a reconstruction, 132 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,800 which is where you have to pick the specific year and say, 133 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,000 we have all the documentation. 134 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,480 Totally understand that. I'm not asking that. I'm actually 135 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,879 ... What my concern is, they collapsed in 136 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:19,250 the first place, and how old was it, and do they even know? 137 00:07:19,250 --> 00:07:21,360 And so part of this has to do with the 138 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,449 structural integrity around the square that's not going to 139 00:07:25,449 --> 00:07:28,000 be a problem. So I understand what they're 140 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,279 doing. I grew up on a farm and I understand what those 141 00:07:31,279 --> 00:07:33,040 rolled bands of aluminum are. 142 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,300 That's a barn top. And I know exactly why that was put in 143 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:40,959 during the late '30s, '40s. 144 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:47,920 I think we need something a little bit more than just like 145 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,439 a rolling aluminum band top. 146 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,870 We're not dealing with like a 1940s Huckleberry town 147 00:07:56,870 --> 00:08:00,319 anymore. I don't know. I'm going to throw 148 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:04,720 this out to commissioners. I'm just a little concerned 149 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,680 about its collapse in the first place. 150 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:12,120 And I don't know. I want to see something that's going to 151 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,000 be a little more secure 152 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,920 and something that's maybe a little bit more durable than 153 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,800 the bare minimum. 154 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,000 I will state in the backup, there is the structural report. 155 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,160 They had to do a structural report because 156 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,970 of insurance and to collect insurance they had to show why 157 00:08:29,970 --> 00:08:32,000 it failed, how they are going to replace 158 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,220 it. But that is provided in the backup. And I assume they 159 00:08:35,220 --> 00:08:36,960 have to have a permit for it. 160 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,009 I'm not in a position to judge structural integrity. I don 161 00:08:41,009 --> 00:08:42,159 't have a degree in that. 162 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,330 But I hear what you're saying. It looked like in the photo, 163 00:08:47,330 --> 00:08:49,440 like it was ice. 164 00:08:50,799 --> 00:08:55,139 It was ice filled up to exactly what happened. Yeah, but it 165 00:08:55,139 --> 00:08:57,120 looks to me like maybe in the 166 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:04,029 new one that seems a little bit more structurally sound. 167 00:09:04,029 --> 00:09:06,559 Just the frames around it and all you don't 168 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:13,110 see in the other. We can't tell that from the diagram, but 169 00:09:13,110 --> 00:09:15,440 I would assume there's a front 170 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,940 gutter this time. There wasn't a gutter previously, so they 171 00:09:17,940 --> 00:09:19,519 are going to be adding a front gutter. 172 00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:22,299 That was slide off. For drainage. A little more inclination 173 00:09:22,299 --> 00:09:26,240 . I read this appointment material. 174 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,960 They're going to have a little bit more of an incline. 175 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,690 But I just have concerns. It's like something a little bit 176 00:09:35,690 --> 00:09:36,000 more. 177 00:09:36,879 --> 00:09:42,399 I think valid concern there too, Mr. Treat. My question is 178 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:44,879 for staff. 179 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:52,419 As far as structural design, engineering design for the 180 00:09:52,419 --> 00:09:53,679 safety for that, 181 00:09:55,519 --> 00:09:59,629 is that done with permits? Like do we know before it comes 182 00:09:59,629 --> 00:10:01,759 to us, do we know if that's approved with 183 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:08,470 staff at the city? Because I think it's very concerning. So 184 00:10:08,470 --> 00:10:09,919 that goes through the building 185 00:10:09,919 --> 00:10:13,350 safety. So this is the step you have to, HLC has to review 186 00:10:13,350 --> 00:10:15,600 before they even go for building permits. 187 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:18,730 And that's how the process is set up within the code. That 188 00:10:18,730 --> 00:10:20,559 's why I'm trying to put in that note 189 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,450 whenever they go in there, because if they need supporting 190 00:10:23,450 --> 00:10:25,440 poles or something a little bit more 191 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:30,190 than that rolling aluminum barn top. You see what I mean? I 192 00:10:30,190 --> 00:10:31,600 want them to know. 193 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,580 I want them to know is like we've seen this and I'm a 194 00:10:34,580 --> 00:10:36,399 little worried about it. 195 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:39,769 So I think a difference if maybe to explain it as far as 196 00:10:39,769 --> 00:10:44,159 aesthetics. Okay, but the structure and 197 00:10:44,159 --> 00:10:47,809 things when we approve something to say, oh we're totally 198 00:10:47,809 --> 00:10:50,159 fine with it for us to look at the safety 199 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:53,960 of it because the ice and snow is going to happen again. 200 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,720 Those top supports that go into the brick, 201 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,570 you know how old that brick is? Yes. You see what I'm 202 00:10:59,570 --> 00:11:03,279 saying? And this is one of the reasons that 203 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:06,169 the failure happened. I mean it's in the report and they're 204 00:11:06,169 --> 00:11:08,320 going to fix it. I have fixes. I understand. 205 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,100 But my concern, I just want to be very clear so that 206 00:11:13,100 --> 00:11:15,279 whenever inspection and safety come in, 207 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,559 I'm like if you need to make additional recommendations 208 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:19,759 that are more up to par 209 00:11:19,759 --> 00:11:24,649 beyond just our surface appearance things, please go. But 210 00:11:24,649 --> 00:11:27,840 we can approve with conditions as well. 211 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:32,350 So we can make a recommendation approved with conditions. 212 00:11:32,350 --> 00:11:36,320 Okay. As a commission we can do that. 213 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,740 And I think that it's valid. Thank you for bringing that up 214 00:11:40,740 --> 00:11:42,639 . Any other discussion? 215 00:11:45,919 --> 00:11:46,399 Thoughts? 216 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:55,580 So I, we would, you have to take a formal vote and I think 217 00:11:55,580 --> 00:11:59,600 if you all are comfortable with doing 218 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,970 approve with conditions, I'm very comfortable with you all 219 00:12:02,970 --> 00:12:05,200 doing that, but you all have to 220 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,169 specifically state what that condition is so that either 221 00:12:09,169 --> 00:12:11,360 building safety knows what to look for 222 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,840 moving forward or I'll give out some examples. You could 223 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,120 say if you all have to change the supports 224 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,210 and everything when you go to building safety, you need to 225 00:12:22,210 --> 00:12:24,720 come back for a final HLC review 226 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:29,960 if it's going to change the look and final design. Or you 227 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,519 can say, you know, we want to, 228 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,659 building safety needs to do X, Y, and Z to ensure that it 229 00:12:36,659 --> 00:12:38,399 can be supported with the current design. 230 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:42,059 So I think you just kind of need to put that into your, I 231 00:12:42,059 --> 00:12:44,480 guess here, right here. It needs to be, 232 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,330 that needs to be read. So it needs to be staff recommends 233 00:12:47,330 --> 00:12:49,759 approval with conditions, 234 00:12:49,759 --> 00:12:53,149 list the condition and then the rest of it. So since I'm 235 00:12:53,149 --> 00:12:54,399 the one that's complaining, 236 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:59,639 laughing, I'll put my name on it. Can you hold that thought 237 00:12:59,639 --> 00:13:00,960 for just one second? 238 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,960 Only because I think, do we have a question or a question? 239 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,200 Okay. So if you'll, can you just? 240 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,389 I have a question before we make a recommendation. Okay. So 241 00:13:10,389 --> 00:13:12,720 working in architecture in Colorado, 242 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,080 I know that there's building codes, specifically you have 243 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,279 to like calculate for snow loads. 244 00:13:19,279 --> 00:13:21,940 But I would imagine the code that we use here doesn't have 245 00:13:21,940 --> 00:13:23,600 to take into consideration. Does 246 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:28,009 it make sense for the recommendation to like, cause if the 247 00:13:28,009 --> 00:13:30,799 concern is specifically like the weight 248 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:35,210 of whatever is going to be on it, which is the weather. So 249 00:13:35,210 --> 00:13:38,879 they operate by the 2021 international 250 00:13:38,879 --> 00:13:42,539 building code. So I would assume that as part of their 251 00:13:42,539 --> 00:13:44,639 analysis in terms of the load factor 252 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:47,139 when it comes to the audience being implemented, but I 253 00:13:47,139 --> 00:13:48,960 cannot necessarily speak for buildings. 254 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,809 Yeah. That's not kind of my purview. So, but I think it's a 255 00:13:51,809 --> 00:13:52,960 great, it's a great map. 256 00:13:54,159 --> 00:13:59,179 Well, they do include ground snow load by PSF and roof 257 00:13:59,179 --> 00:14:03,200 light load of 20 PSF. So it looks to me like 258 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,139 they have sometimes though. Well, I guess I don't know if 259 00:14:07,139 --> 00:14:09,200 this is not, it's not my expertise, 260 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:14,120 but I wouldn't like in Colorado, those would be potentially 261 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,279 of a higher rate. Right. And so if we're 262 00:14:17,279 --> 00:14:20,710 factoring in for this, maybe happening more regularly, 263 00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:23,120 maybe we're trying to have 20 pounds 264 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:28,360 of square foot. It only has to fail once. Yeah. Yeah. 20 265 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,559 pounds per square foot is pretty low, 266 00:14:30,559 --> 00:14:35,549 which would be a historical Texas. Right. Right. But that's 267 00:14:35,549 --> 00:14:37,679 not what this event was, 268 00:14:37,679 --> 00:14:40,970 but this event was also, if you're taking into account that 269 00:14:40,970 --> 00:14:42,639 the supports on that were over 270 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,120 Jesus Christ, how many, how many decades old, right? 271 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,019 I don't know how to work that in, but it was to ask them to 272 00:14:53,019 --> 00:14:54,720 do that. And now I mean, what if we, 273 00:14:55,519 --> 00:14:58,799 specifically, I'm not sure it's our purview to set specific 274 00:14:58,799 --> 00:14:59,039 like 275 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,039 requirements, but I'm wondering if we could at least put in 276 00:15:04,039 --> 00:15:04,559 there, 277 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,120 keep in mind this is a high traffic area, like, you know, 278 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,559 that sort of thing. 279 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:17,320 That would suggest whatever maybe heightened standards 280 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,919 could be applied, maybe should be. 281 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:22,000 We don't set the metric that we ask them to pay attention 282 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,840 to whatever metrics they set. 283 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,220 Right. But I do like the idea of if there need to be any 284 00:15:28,220 --> 00:15:30,080 structural changes, 285 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,929 it needs to come back before us. If it affects the 286 00:15:32,929 --> 00:15:33,840 aesthetics of all this. 287 00:15:34,879 --> 00:15:37,039 Did you have a question? Pretty much take care of this. 288 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:46,519 Any other thoughts? I will say this too. We have several 289 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:49,279 options. We can approve as presented. 290 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:53,870 We can be flat denied. We can approve with conditions. I 291 00:15:53,870 --> 00:15:55,840 believe we can table. 292 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,879 You can table and continue to date certain. 293 00:15:58,879 --> 00:16:02,250 And we can do that. So we have, I just want to lay that out 294 00:16:02,250 --> 00:16:04,159 before we get a motion that those are 295 00:16:06,879 --> 00:16:10,850 choices that we have. So at this time, pressure treat, if 296 00:16:10,850 --> 00:16:11,840 you do have a pause, 297 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,080 you so I'm going to unpause you. Thank you for that. It's 298 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:16,960 always valuable. 299 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,889 Because I do think that we can approve with conditions. It 300 00:16:25,889 --> 00:16:26,480 's not that I'm 301 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,539 reticent about staff recommendations and the standards that 302 00:16:30,539 --> 00:16:32,080 have been set forth. 303 00:16:33,039 --> 00:16:38,279 I just want to make sure that we, as a commission, give a 304 00:16:38,279 --> 00:16:40,399 little extra license 305 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:44,620 to have another look, look at this. Because again, I will 306 00:16:44,620 --> 00:16:45,519 just reinforce, 307 00:16:45,519 --> 00:16:48,710 I'm very concerned that it failed the way it did. We're 308 00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:51,279 lucky that no one was there, 309 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:55,929 but at a high traffic area, et cetera, I would like a 310 00:16:55,929 --> 00:16:59,440 second look. And so 311 00:17:00,879 --> 00:17:04,990 I really appreciate the ideas that we need to maybe re-ex 312 00:17:04,990 --> 00:17:07,599 amine the loads and ask 313 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,259 for city staff recommendations and maybe bring it back just 314 00:17:11,259 --> 00:17:13,279 because appearance wise. 315 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:20,400 Okay. I'm willing to go with the role Barnertot, but yeah, 316 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,000 I'm worried about the load factors. 317 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,640 And I just want to make sure that city staff knows that 318 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:25,759 they have our support, 319 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:29,450 that if they need to recommend more, we're also thinking 320 00:17:29,450 --> 00:17:31,359 along those same lines. So 321 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:38,670 if I'm making a motion, it's to approve with conditions and 322 00:17:38,670 --> 00:17:40,960 the conditions are twofold. 323 00:17:41,599 --> 00:17:48,799 First of all, to examine the load bearing factors. And 324 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:52,160 number two, to question if there might be 325 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:57,710 additional structure supports that would make this extra 326 00:17:57,710 --> 00:18:01,279 safe, that would come from city staff and 327 00:18:01,279 --> 00:18:07,519 engineers. Anything to add? And I'm open to any time. 328 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:09,200 You wanted to come back before us. 329 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,549 And for it to come back just for us to have it, just a 330 00:18:13,549 --> 00:18:16,960 blush look at what would that look like? 331 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,359 Because I do understand that if we're adding additional 332 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,720 supports, we might be running a little 333 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:28,000 bit afoul of the traditional look. Does that make sense? 334 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,519 Like we have like lower supports 335 00:18:29,519 --> 00:18:35,589 that might run afoul to the upper supports. I'm trying to, 336 00:18:35,589 --> 00:18:38,559 so that I will be quite honest, 337 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:41,680 I don't think I've ever gotten to approve with conditions 338 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,359 in terms of, I guess, tabling it for 339 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:50,259 staff to do additional analysis. I think that's what it 340 00:18:50,259 --> 00:18:52,240 sounds like, at least from my perspective, 341 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,210 is that we're doing approval conditions because the request 342 00:18:56,210 --> 00:18:57,680 is to do additional, 343 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,859 is it building safety to do these analyses? And if they are 344 00:19:00,859 --> 00:19:02,960 concerned that it's not going to be able 345 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,990 to support it based off what they're recommending, that 346 00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:09,200 they then need to come back to HLC? Or is it, 347 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,539 if staff doesn't find any issues that they can continue 348 00:19:11,539 --> 00:19:13,519 onwards without coming back to HLC? 349 00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:16,180 Or do you all want to hear? So I think that's kind of where 350 00:19:16,180 --> 00:19:19,200 I'm getting held up because from my 351 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,289 perspective, loads, all that kind of stuff, that doesn't 352 00:19:23,289 --> 00:19:25,599 fall within my personal purview. I'm just 353 00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:29,319 worried about the design. But the design, if the loads, why 354 00:19:29,319 --> 00:19:32,079 don't they bring it back? 355 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:35,450 So would it make more sense to table it and request some 356 00:19:35,450 --> 00:19:39,039 additional analysis on whether 357 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:42,089 structural changes need to be made to be consistent with 358 00:19:42,089 --> 00:19:43,599 what John's trying to do? 359 00:19:43,599 --> 00:19:46,450 I think we would just need to do it, continue to a date 360 00:19:46,450 --> 00:19:48,400 certain, and that would be the next 361 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,109 meeting in September, which I believe is September, Lindsay 362 00:19:52,109 --> 00:19:53,119 , I'm so sorry, 363 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,019 I think the 14th, I believe, 13th or 14th. In that case, I 364 00:19:59,019 --> 00:20:00,400 would draw my motion. 365 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,079 September 14th. John, if you want to do it a little better. 366 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,420 So would you be withdrawing your motion? I'll withdraw my 367 00:20:09,420 --> 00:20:11,200 motion for the approved with 368 00:20:13,519 --> 00:20:19,119 conditions. I'll defer to Dr. Homey if you want to table. 369 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,869 I guess I'll make a motion to table this, our consideration 370 00:20:23,869 --> 00:20:24,400 of this item, 371 00:20:26,079 --> 00:20:30,829 to give city staff, engineers, whatever, an opportunity to 372 00:20:30,829 --> 00:20:34,240 evaluate the conditions, 373 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,089 whether structural changes need to be made in order to make 374 00:20:38,089 --> 00:20:39,759 it safe. 375 00:20:39,759 --> 00:20:44,700 Can you add table till September 14th? I guess I'm happy to 376 00:20:44,700 --> 00:20:45,759 do so. 377 00:20:45,759 --> 00:20:50,480 Thank you. All right, can we do we have a second? 378 00:20:55,519 --> 00:21:00,930 Before calling for a vote, can I read some of this? 10.0 379 00:21:00,930 --> 00:21:04,319 structural design philosophy, rather than 380 00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:07,690 replicate the original connection system exactly, the 381 00:21:07,690 --> 00:21:10,640 replacement design will improve the load path 382 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,369 into the masonry while preserving the building's appearance 383 00:21:14,369 --> 00:21:17,359 . The design philosophy includes 384 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:22,170 distributed reactions into the masonry through bolt through 385 00:21:22,170 --> 00:21:25,279 bolted connections with steel backing 386 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:29,839 plates for practical reduced localized bearing stresses, 387 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:33,359 increased connection redundancy, 388 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:39,430 maintainability and compatibility construction. 11.0 is 389 00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:43,039 existing masonry evaluation prior to 390 00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:46,730 installation. The engineer shall verify wall thickness, 391 00:21:46,730 --> 00:21:49,200 brick condition, water condition, 392 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,980 presence of voids, existing cracks, previous repairs, 393 00:21:52,980 --> 00:21:55,519 moisture damage, corrosion of embedded 394 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:59,650 steel. Installation shall not proceed until deteriorated m 395 00:21:59,650 --> 00:22:01,599 asonry has been repaired. 396 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,349 Just feel like, well, and then there's even more repair 397 00:22:06,349 --> 00:22:09,599 requirements in general notes. I feel like 398 00:22:09,599 --> 00:22:13,940 they have it brassed along with this. I would agree, but 399 00:22:13,940 --> 00:22:16,720 even that masonry repair should be coming 400 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,960 to us, should it not? Yes. So that's what kind of gave me a 401 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,599 red flag as well. So when 402 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:28,210 Commissioner Treat says if that changes it needs to come 403 00:22:28,210 --> 00:22:30,400 back to us and I just want to make sure 404 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,309 because it says that that us approving it's not giving a 405 00:22:34,309 --> 00:22:37,039 blanket for them, oh we can just do that 406 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:40,220 now because that for the masonry if it is on the outside 407 00:22:40,220 --> 00:22:42,480 that has to come before us as well. 408 00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:52,029 So exactly. Exactly. Okay. So I'm going to, I'll go ahead 409 00:22:52,029 --> 00:22:56,079 and say my concern is with the material 410 00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:59,490 as far as the looks and things that parents, I think it's 411 00:22:59,490 --> 00:23:01,359 in line. I don't have a problem with 412 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:06,829 that, but my concern is the safety with it being it looks 413 00:23:06,829 --> 00:23:10,799 like galvanized metal, you know, like 414 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:13,980 and I'm wondering if with some of those structures that we 415 00:23:13,980 --> 00:23:14,960 have does it even 416 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,460 address that in city code for material, the weight bearing 417 00:23:20,460 --> 00:23:22,960 for the snow on that material 418 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,329 because it's different on the roofs than it is for an aw 419 00:23:26,329 --> 00:23:29,359 ning. You know the same with even the 420 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:32,940 awnings that have to clock overall. You've seen those, you 421 00:23:32,940 --> 00:23:36,400 know, those they can tear too. So 422 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,640 anyway that that's my concern as well. So I made the motion 423 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,519 but I still have a question. 424 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,279 What information do we want to get received from city staff 425 00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:50,880 that would 426 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:58,809 away our concerns? Very good question. Very good question. 427 00:23:58,809 --> 00:24:01,039 I'm going to get their recommendations 428 00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:04,700 on load bearing, get their recommendations on what current 429 00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:08,880 best practices would recommend to make sure 430 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:14,259 that safety is primary concern on that. And then second, 431 00:24:14,259 --> 00:24:16,640 get those involve any type of 432 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:21,009 significant alterations that we might have second one. And 433 00:24:21,009 --> 00:24:22,799 I'm sure they are but I would also like 434 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:26,170 to hear that they are aware of why the previous awning 435 00:24:26,170 --> 00:24:28,240 failed and the times of the fact that that 436 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,180 area is much more high traffic than it was at the time of 437 00:24:31,180 --> 00:24:33,920 the previous awning. And Ms. Fatt, to your point, 438 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,769 like the recommendations they're making in that and it's 439 00:24:36,769 --> 00:24:38,240 absolutely those are the things that 440 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:43,119 they're looking for or whatever. I just want to ensure that 441 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,599 that wasn't a going to be a pencil 442 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,710 check off, send it to us, do it. Right? I want to be like 443 00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:53,680 we're paying attention. 444 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,009 I need some assurances you're paying attention. And so we 445 00:24:58,009 --> 00:25:00,960 can do some assurances right just 446 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,910 assurance quality control. Perhaps we could also ask and 447 00:25:04,910 --> 00:25:07,359 obviously they're not particularly doing 448 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,890 the work but I suppose an engineer maybe could tell us 449 00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:16,640 based on what this plan is how significant 450 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:20,150 are the masonry repairs likely to be right it may be very 451 00:25:20,150 --> 00:25:22,799 minor you know we may be overthinking it 452 00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:26,150 I don't know but they may be like no no no this is going to 453 00:25:26,150 --> 00:25:27,680 be really extensive. 454 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:31,319 When we get the backup material my thought was I would have 455 00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:33,680 liked to dumb for them to come before 456 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,109 us with all of it at one time. Okay here's the masonry that 457 00:25:37,109 --> 00:25:39,119 needs to be repaired here's what 458 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,539 we found is the damage the water damage I was hoping they 459 00:25:42,539 --> 00:25:44,720 would have already done that then 460 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,900 us approve it on again then find it for this for the safety 461 00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:49,920 . Yeah we had a failure we're not just 462 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,970 addressing a cosmetic thing so there was a failure and 463 00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:55,119 either the business was negligent or 464 00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:58,609 city code enforcement's negligent I'm not saying there's 465 00:25:58,609 --> 00:26:00,799 negligence what I'm saying what I am 466 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:04,150 saying is there was a failure and we want to make sure that 467 00:26:04,150 --> 00:26:07,119 doesn't happen again and that's all. 468 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,839 So it does feel kind of PCO is what you're saying. That's 469 00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:12,079 what I'm saying I kind of think it's the 470 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:16,109 cart before the horse and I was hoping that we would have 471 00:26:16,109 --> 00:26:19,680 had that structure first to make sure 472 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,750 it was sound before we're approving this so I agree with 473 00:26:24,750 --> 00:26:28,240 tabling it to find out from city staff 474 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,890 on low bearing and as I would like city staff to know that 475 00:26:31,890 --> 00:26:34,160 we're not opposed to the material 476 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:39,230 that they're using if it is safe and the way that they're 477 00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:42,000 going to construct it is safe. 478 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,960 And I will just preface that in terms of the building code 479 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,559 if it is like a new construction 480 00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:55,420 if they're wanting they do have to follow obviously the 481 00:26:55,420 --> 00:26:57,519 2021 international building code 482 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,329 when it usually comes in historic structures they are more 483 00:27:01,329 --> 00:27:03,359 lenient obviously they don't want any 484 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,369 safety hazards or public health issues coming as a factor 485 00:27:08,369 --> 00:27:11,279 but that might change the design so I 486 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,150 think it I think it is a good thing that you all are 487 00:27:13,150 --> 00:27:14,960 wanting to bring it back you know continue 488 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,329 to attain certain bring it back I will just state that if 489 00:27:18,329 --> 00:27:20,319 there is concerns with the load 490 00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:23,509 bearing everything the design could potentially change 491 00:27:23,509 --> 00:27:26,079 drastically where it might not be historical 492 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:29,740 in context. Because what is what we're talking about does 493 00:27:29,740 --> 00:27:31,759 that give you enough direction or 494 00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:34,630 would that give you enough direction in terms of 495 00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:37,759 information needed? Oh yes yeah I can definitely 496 00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,609 bring this to our building safety team and have a full 497 00:27:40,609 --> 00:27:42,319 discussion I can actually be able to bring 498 00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:46,130 answers with the presentation. All right so just to recap 499 00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:49,039 we have a motion we have a second to table 500 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:55,670 till September 14th meeting and asking for information from 501 00:27:55,670 --> 00:27:57,519 city staff on low bearing 502 00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:02,430 construction safety of of the request and if there are we 503 00:28:02,430 --> 00:28:05,359 will come back and have a report from them 504 00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:09,839 all right so all in favor of the motion raise and say aye 505 00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:12,400 any opposed all right 506 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:23,930 all right moving on item 4a number hlc 26-033 on our agenda 507 00:28:23,930 --> 00:28:25,599 is to hold a discussion regarding 508 00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:28,880 the next steps of the designation research committee and 509 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,119 the community outreach subcommittee 510 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,490 to assist in the establishment of a potential new local 511 00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:36,799 historic district generally located 512 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:40,170 along the north alm street and north locust street 513 00:28:40,170 --> 00:28:43,119 corridors between west mckinney street and west 514 00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:51,160 university. So I'm still just like lost in data and 515 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,079 everything is taking forever but I 516 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,799 I think I have a couple questions. 517 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,819 The first I think is I think it I think it might be a good 518 00:29:04,819 --> 00:29:07,599 idea a good time to start 519 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:13,519 picking out some addresses of note the buildings of note 520 00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:17,839 and I'm certainly willing to take any 521 00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:21,809 specific suggestions I don't know the best way to do that 522 00:29:21,809 --> 00:29:24,400 like if they send you suggestions and 523 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,589 then you just send me yes that yeah that works maybe 524 00:29:27,589 --> 00:29:31,759 something along those lines and you know 525 00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:36,190 because I'm going to try I need to find the block the 526 00:29:36,190 --> 00:29:39,839 census block records to try to track people 527 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,519 but I mean I think so you know there's a lot of addresses 528 00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:44,960 we are it's a language that I mean we 529 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,609 can do but anyway so I think maybe trying to focus in on 530 00:29:48,609 --> 00:29:51,359 some key addresses spinning wheels is a great 531 00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:56,599 example. The sleeping lizards building. There may be other 532 00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:57,279 buildings of interest. 533 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:07,259 And maybe ones that you think are representative of that 534 00:30:07,259 --> 00:30:09,839 area right not just spinning wheels 535 00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:14,259 because it's spinning wheels right but there's ones that 536 00:30:14,259 --> 00:30:16,160 architecturally speak to you. 537 00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:21,609 I think that will help me at least start to maybe have more 538 00:30:21,609 --> 00:30:23,279 of a product to give you. 539 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:27,490 There's a house on the corner the white house I think it's 540 00:30:27,490 --> 00:30:30,880 on locusts on the corner and it has 541 00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:36,319 I think it might be an event place right now big two-story. 542 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,900 I know you know what the one down from ground law house or 543 00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:43,920 the one like two houses down from ground 544 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,289 law house is that I think it's it's a wide and they have 545 00:30:47,289 --> 00:30:49,759 events there and they have parking on 546 00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:52,329 the side and in the back on the side street you know 547 00:30:52,329 --> 00:30:54,400 roughly what block that would be in 548 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,690 or like what intersection oh where joseph's was no it's 549 00:30:57,690 --> 00:31:00,480 down from joseph okay north north 550 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:10,559 is that bed and breakfast I think that might be that's what 551 00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:11,839 we're next door to joseph where 552 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:14,690 joseph's was no except that one but that one too that bed 553 00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:16,720 breakfast one this one too and this is an 554 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,380 additional way so just a little bit north of which i'll 555 00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:23,200 take a look you know another one that might 556 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,859 be also fun is the building where that artisanal butcher 557 00:31:26,859 --> 00:31:29,200 just went into the old car dealership 558 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:37,019 yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah hey john in the um the list or the 559 00:31:37,019 --> 00:31:42,160 file or the database or something that 560 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,759 we have are those in any kind of order what do you mean 561 00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:50,079 hope that just as I just scroll through it 562 00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:52,950 goes from elm street to first street oh did you send that 563 00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:55,599 out to everybody yes okay cool um 564 00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:00,019 I'm not actually sure what that looks like because that's 565 00:32:00,019 --> 00:32:01,359 not how I work with it but 566 00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:04,730 I can put it in a better order no it didn't matter I just 567 00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:07,759 wondered if there was an order yeah 568 00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:13,119 well I have it on my view I can like I have a clickable map 569 00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:14,240 so I can literally just click 570 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:19,480 on a property and pull out uh what is available for that um 571 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:27,119 so if you if there's a better 572 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:33,950 organize it you know wait no I just kind of wonder about 573 00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:39,039 there was yeah um I mean that's yeah and I 574 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:43,630 wonder if the meat market is 505 north elm that was once 575 00:32:43,630 --> 00:32:46,640 owned by what Nats well I would imagine 576 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,400 the car dealership definitely it's from that which are a 577 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,799 lot of those buildings right no but 578 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:56,529 that's what that was that was didn't bowl before the meat 579 00:32:56,529 --> 00:32:58,559 market right that's right yeah 580 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,599 for a multi-nation yeah what's a multi-nation or now it's 581 00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:07,519 Montgomery bowl or whatever it's changed 582 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:14,549 1010 north elm where burger burger dental is 1010 north 583 00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:17,039 what's there right burger dental 584 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:21,420 it's a very new entry ball then I'm sure your interest is 585 00:33:21,420 --> 00:33:24,400 in it is because he's also my dentist 586 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,359 just a little bit no I'm not sure you don't have I know um 587 00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:37,920 yes yeah the motor yeah 588 00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:44,599 I like that so anyway again so if anyone was a request you 589 00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:45,920 know right at this moment but if 590 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:51,490 you have any other questions I'll try to start because I 591 00:33:51,490 --> 00:33:55,359 mean I can go I mean you can get lost 592 00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:58,220 in all these things oh yeah what years at some point I have 593 00:33:58,220 --> 00:34:00,079 to start showing change over time 594 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,599 I'd like to thank you I appreciate all the research and the 595 00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:08,239 work that's been done um 596 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:23,800 with this committee okay I was like oh I can't tell you 597 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,400 guys or your work on it 598 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:34,889 all right we're ready to move on item 4b number hlc 26-034 599 00:34:34,889 --> 00:34:37,199 to receive a report and hold the 600 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,070 discussion and give staff direction on the historic 601 00:34:40,070 --> 00:34:42,159 landmark commission request for local 602 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:46,099 historic designation of eligible historic properties do we 603 00:34:46,099 --> 00:34:48,800 have any properties that 604 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,099 anyone's interested in going forward well the one that I 605 00:34:53,099 --> 00:34:55,679 had briefly discussed with you right 606 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,110 it's gonna sounds like it's gonna fall through okay unless 607 00:34:59,110 --> 00:35:02,000 you have lots of money that you can 608 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:15,980 offer so I have some um it's kind of so I have two 609 00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:18,960 properties that I was doing Texas 610 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,059 Historic Landmark Visitation Board one of them was Oak 611 00:35:22,059 --> 00:35:25,360 Street Graph House um it was turned down 612 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,130 this year and the reason it was turned down is they didn't 613 00:35:30,130 --> 00:35:32,400 pay their hundred dollar fee on time 614 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:41,820 um however I did research that I'll share with city so that 615 00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:44,719 maybe city can move forward and do 616 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,909 some type of designation that helps us for this next year's 617 00:35:47,909 --> 00:35:49,840 application which I've been encouraged 618 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:57,769 okay that's great uh the other is a house uh over on uh all 619 00:35:57,769 --> 00:36:00,719 right um I'll send to you it's one of the 620 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,079 it's one of the gothic houses that got moved over um and 621 00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:09,840 Denny okay over in Denny Lindsay 622 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,710 yes on the Lindsay street that's it I checked piano lessons 623 00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:16,159 it's the local landmark property 624 00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:19,530 uh so yes I was working on a designation for him but 625 00:36:19,530 --> 00:36:22,159 because it had been moved from downtown 626 00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:26,480 to its current spot it's not eligible until 2027 627 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,630 and they they told me that they noticed that on my 628 00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:37,039 application oh okay but it hits its 50 years 629 00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:41,250 for that move this next year and so I've already done the 630 00:36:41,250 --> 00:36:44,159 work I want to share that okay with me 631 00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:49,400 and make sure that we are coming up to talk for this next 632 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:49,599 year 633 00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:56,079 limit I have a problem now okay uh the scalp oh my gosh the 634 00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:56,719 scalp type 635 00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:02,909 that by evers part yeah that one oh wow uh they are they're 636 00:37:02,909 --> 00:37:04,800 already it sounds like they're already 637 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,099 working towards like state or national designation um and I 638 00:37:09,099 --> 00:37:11,679 haven't been able to sit down with the 639 00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:16,030 person in charge of all of that um because of some health 640 00:37:16,030 --> 00:37:20,639 issues was that moved from it was 641 00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:28,110 so I know I can't see for certain day I don't want to know 642 00:37:28,110 --> 00:37:29,280 that news right now okay sorry 643 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,920 I guess you type it dead and it's immediate negative news 644 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,800 so okay so where's it it's uh 645 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:46,079 steamers park uh right there right there yeah yeah oh okay 646 00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,320 so so it's in that little yeah 647 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,590 I haven't had a chance to sit down and like kind of 648 00:37:53,590 --> 00:37:58,159 suggests whatever but they are currently 649 00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:01,809 trying to raise money because that siting is falling apart 650 00:38:01,809 --> 00:38:04,320 and the original is still underneath it 651 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:12,719 but it is the log it was the log I don't know maybe it was 652 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,239 not the original original it was 653 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,900 something it's siding but it's void but anyway they're 654 00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:20,320 raising money currently to try to replace 655 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,659 that so and there is a chance perhaps of convincing them to 656 00:38:24,659 --> 00:38:27,119 go to the local process as well because 657 00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:30,840 there is at least money and obviously they need some help 658 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,960 because I mean of course all that was 659 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,760 done off the books no whatever it's been moved I've kind of 660 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,719 looked into it I mean I mean they 661 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,559 they're they have a they have some organization going on 662 00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:45,440 right now yeah yeah yeah haven't planned 663 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,039 right now and in past years I haven't helped fix I call it 664 00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,639 fix that signing they they have never 665 00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:57,599 applied to numerous emails to them yeah I was in that trip 666 00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:00,960 so they'll use it you know where they 667 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,610 live yeah so you can show up at their door yeah main person 668 00:39:04,610 --> 00:39:06,480 had a major surgery and I haven't 669 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,289 been speaking with them since but I guess once you kind of 670 00:39:11,289 --> 00:39:13,840 are able to touch base with him 671 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,559 um yeah I wouldn't put it like oh yeah no no I know um and 672 00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:19,840 we can kind of move forward do 673 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,570 they have any historic photographs or anything of what it 674 00:39:23,570 --> 00:39:25,280 looked like I'm assuming they do 675 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:32,130 but I wasn't sure okay we kind of go yeah I'll try to get a 676 00:39:32,130 --> 00:39:34,719 meeting and just to discuss possible 677 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,679 okay sounds good because I'm recalling that one in the park 678 00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:43,039 I think it was the Girl Scout 679 00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:49,019 yes I think it was all uh it was all offices for the Girl 680 00:39:49,019 --> 00:39:51,599 Scouts so that maybe it wasn't 681 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,780 great it got moved from Quaker Town it's okay it got moved 682 00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:58,480 down to 380 right it's going to 683 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:04,550 380 right Midwest yes it was moved out there but this it 684 00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:06,320 would have been built I would guess right 685 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,980 around 1918 that's when the troop originated um it may have 686 00:40:10,980 --> 00:40:13,360 been a couple years after or something 687 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,730 so this probably are these are two different ones I don't 688 00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:22,159 remember that my mom worked in the 689 00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:25,760 she worked well and this one got moved a long time ago I 690 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,760 could literally yeah yeah yeah yeah 691 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,949 yeah I really got that donated yeah I found the article 692 00:40:32,949 --> 00:40:34,960 whatever that scout hut was donated 693 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,389 about the Evers family right so it's actually part of the E 694 00:40:38,389 --> 00:40:42,400 vers farm that's city property 695 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,050 no no it is now that's the thing is they carved that off it 696 00:40:46,050 --> 00:40:47,360 was originally part of the Evers 697 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,000 yeah that they carved off during the city which is why 698 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,239 right it's being developed around okay 699 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:56,780 anyway I'll see if I can fix the products oh that'd be 700 00:40:56,780 --> 00:40:57,519 wonderful thanks 701 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,559 any anyone else have anything to recommend 702 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:11,150 all right we're going to keep moving item 4b number hlc 26- 703 00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:13,920 035 on our agenda is hold a discussion 704 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,800 regarding the historic landmark commission project matrix 705 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:26,929 so exciting news regarding the former entry wall the county 706 00:41:26,929 --> 00:41:30,079 I reached out both to GDAC 707 00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:33,269 and the county the county has expressed interest in 708 00:41:33,269 --> 00:41:36,079 obtaining the wall I did ask them for 709 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,679 last week for some clarity in terms of where they would 710 00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:43,360 want it located all of that just so we can 711 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:48,599 have some idea before we officially sign it over this is 712 00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:52,639 yeah yeah yeah so it's in the dme easement 713 00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:56,289 so the city is able to get it out of there we can get the 714 00:41:56,289 --> 00:41:57,519 access we don't have to get 715 00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:00,429 text-off permission we don't have to do any of that I went 716 00:42:00,429 --> 00:42:02,239 out with DME on site and was able to 717 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,900 kind of walk through that but we just kind of had to find a 718 00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:08,400 location for it and someone of interest 719 00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:13,750 just because kind of talking through internally from staff 720 00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:16,559 one of our biggest worries if you know 721 00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:19,070 if we place it a city park or anything like that one of our 722 00:42:19,070 --> 00:42:20,719 current rec centers it would kind of 723 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,590 get lost yeah in its location and Denton county is 724 00:42:24,590 --> 00:42:28,239 obviously the experts and kind of relocating 725 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,119 homes kind of telling that larger story that or GDAC in 726 00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:35,039 terms of kind of interpretive art once 727 00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:37,909 it's kind of moved it could become considered interpretive 728 00:42:37,909 --> 00:42:41,519 art of some sort but we never heard 729 00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:45,179 back from GDAC and then Denton county had like I said has 730 00:42:45,179 --> 00:42:47,280 stated interests and said that they 731 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,469 would be interested in having it being moved but I'm 732 00:42:50,469 --> 00:42:53,280 waiting for clarification where exactly they 733 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,760 would want it moved to probably what I thought of the idea 734 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,440 with GDAC unofficially they're really 735 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,619 on to the process they were intrigued by the piece they 736 00:43:00,619 --> 00:43:02,559 were not terribly intrigued by the 737 00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:06,219 idea of having it on their property so no I can see the 738 00:43:06,219 --> 00:43:08,400 historic the historic part to see it 739 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,679 getting much better yeah being able to interpret that into 740 00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:13,920 these kind of generational pieces right 741 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,820 perhaps even by the the wooden building yeah yeah yeah I 742 00:43:17,820 --> 00:43:19,760 could see it fitting in really great 743 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,059 so we're just waiting back I'll let you all know what they 744 00:43:24,059 --> 00:43:27,119 kind of their general idea of where they 745 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,769 want to place it um I will say staff did actually recommend 746 00:43:30,769 --> 00:43:32,719 their Evers farm location just because 747 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,090 it's north of university and kind of is represented that 748 00:43:36,090 --> 00:43:39,920 agricultural aspect but still having her 749 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,039 so I'll let you know if they like that idea or not I am 750 00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:46,000 afraid that the downtown historic part it 751 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,440 just is swallowing up everything and so at a certain point 752 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,000 it's hard to tell different stories 753 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,840 yeah it kind of something like that especially like let's 754 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,719 feast in family because the thing is 755 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,670 they're not sure what how they're going to interpret that 756 00:44:00,670 --> 00:44:01,920 up there they're actually still 757 00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,139 I don't want to get anybody in trouble but they're still 758 00:44:05,139 --> 00:44:08,000 trying to like clarify what the city meant by 759 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,250 what was going on with the Evers Park property if they were 760 00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:13,280 transferring city ownership of that 761 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,730 property to county or they were just taking possession of 762 00:44:17,730 --> 00:44:19,760 thing it's it's out there yeah 763 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,250 we're gonna let the new council work it out so I have no 764 00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:25,440 idea um but I don't I don't hate the idea 765 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,260 I like the idea of like turning that true interpretive 766 00:44:29,260 --> 00:44:33,440 space as well um but again I'm also not mad about 767 00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:37,300 putting in his short part because it can work there that 768 00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:39,360 story could work and part of the timeline 769 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,369 I think she did so that's all I gotta say about them so I 770 00:44:43,369 --> 00:44:46,239 'll definitely keep you all updated 771 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,590 hopefully I have something um come September appreciate 772 00:44:49,590 --> 00:44:54,000 your work of course and then uh the 773 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:59,019 rest of our items are ongoing um in terms of just kind of 774 00:44:59,019 --> 00:45:01,679 well I guess I think we do this in 775 00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:04,199 concluding items so never mind but yes so these are the 776 00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,519 rest of our items um I don't know if you 777 00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:12,190 all want to add anything additional or if we are good with 778 00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:15,119 this is there anything that's come up 779 00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:19,190 that's kind of you know intrigue you all that uh you would 780 00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:22,159 like additional research or something 781 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,619 else to add or so part of the matrix now that we're 782 00:45:26,619 --> 00:45:30,800 Halloween town um I just want to throw this out 783 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,719 I don't think we need to make a decision that tonight which 784 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:33,840 is why I just want to bring it up 785 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,489 um I feel like this might become a new year-round kind of 786 00:45:38,489 --> 00:45:40,000 uh I mean 787 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,800 Denton is Halloween capital of Texas is going to become a 788 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,440 recurring thing and I think the Historic 789 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,099 Commission have an active role so I feel like perhaps 790 00:45:49,099 --> 00:45:52,079 placing on the active matrix something 791 00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:56,019 about Halloween initiatives and just leave that as a place 792 00:45:56,019 --> 00:46:00,559 holder and nothing to do tonight or 793 00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:03,409 decisions to make tonight but to maybe push that forward 794 00:46:03,409 --> 00:46:07,920 because here we are in August we are 795 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,059 less than 60 days out from the start of Halloween so I'm 796 00:46:12,059 --> 00:46:16,960 just throwing that out there and um I think 797 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:23,030 that item might be a useful addition to uh things that um 798 00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:26,559 our commission can say that we're actively 799 00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:30,409 doing is to be an active participant in those events every 800 00:46:30,409 --> 00:46:32,159 year I'm hearing you say you want 801 00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:34,670 to build a haunted house that looks really old we already 802 00:46:34,670 --> 00:46:37,119 have one it's called 1926 803 00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:45,340 well I think we need more to he's recommended to put 804 00:46:45,340 --> 00:46:47,599 something on the matrix we have anyone 805 00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:50,650 in favor don't we have to have yes we need to have at least 806 00:46:50,650 --> 00:46:50,960 three 807 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,599 wonderful anything else to add to the matrix 808 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,849 so our next anything else any other additional business to 809 00:47:09,849 --> 00:47:12,159 discuss the commission tonight 810 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,599 going once I have items but I'm just waiting to see yes I 811 00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:20,480 have items to share 812 00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:28,480 um so we have an exciting potential project coming downtown 813 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:29,840 you all might have seen the signage on 814 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,500 the golf station um it is not locally designated it is not 815 00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:36,000 recognized by the national register 816 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,099 it was determined it wasn't even determined eligible but 817 00:47:40,099 --> 00:47:43,840 for back in the 1996 survey 818 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,210 because it wasn't 50 years old at the time during that uh 819 00:47:46,210 --> 00:47:50,320 but they are looking to do some restoration 820 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,300 work on the outside of the golf station get that up and 821 00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:58,480 running again for public use so I've met 822 00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:10,260 it is yes I believe it's 301 that's really close 301 301 823 00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:12,239 and 302 is what I was thinking 824 00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:18,440 I think maybe three or one more guess I'm sorry that is an 825 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,559 educated guess based off of 826 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,690 but again it's on the McKinney and locus that corner but um 827 00:48:25,690 --> 00:48:28,480 so just want to share that with you 828 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:33,110 all um as staff I've met with the general the owner I've 829 00:48:33,110 --> 00:48:36,239 talked about opportunities with national 830 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,900 register um designation I've talked about the state uh 831 00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:43,039 opportunities I've also talked about local and 832 00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:47,420 with those tax exemption um opportunities there so he's he 833 00:48:47,420 --> 00:48:50,800 's kind of weighing the options right now 834 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,179 so we'll see but I kind of did that initial education um 835 00:48:54,179 --> 00:48:56,079 confirmed that he does have a 836 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,250 gentleman who's involved who has worked on historic 837 00:49:01,250 --> 00:49:03,360 properties because I did say you know that is kind 838 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,789 of a key you know um former gas station and car repair 839 00:49:07,789 --> 00:49:11,280 location and that it's very prominent on 840 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,349 that corner people love it and so he's very much aware that 841 00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:17,760 um he wants to do his due diligence by 842 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,130 it and make sure that it's a quality product so just want 843 00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:21,840 to kind of give you all a heads up that 844 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,889 that is kind of in the progress I'm hoping that he'll come 845 00:49:24,889 --> 00:49:26,800 forward for local designations that 846 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,460 you will have the opportunity um because I know that's 847 00:49:30,460 --> 00:49:33,119 something since I've started that the 848 00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:35,969 commission has brought up here and there randomly just 849 00:49:35,969 --> 00:49:38,000 saying do you think we can get any progress 850 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,969 there so I think it's a new owner and what it was a few 851 00:49:41,969 --> 00:49:46,559 years yes I believe so yes yeah so yeah so 852 00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:49,760 I'm hopeful so just wanted to share that fun exciting news 853 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,679 and hopefully keeps continue to be 854 00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:55,829 exciting and new um new information there um in terms of 855 00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:59,360 our southeast denton um historic 856 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,369 resource survey consultant we staff made an internal final 857 00:50:03,369 --> 00:50:05,199 decision today I can't share 858 00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:08,250 that news until we've let the consultant know but I'll be 859 00:50:08,250 --> 00:50:10,400 excited to share that with you all 860 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,170 next meeting um and we're excited to get that project going 861 00:50:14,170 --> 00:50:16,559 I think I think it will get I think 862 00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:18,929 it will be a good experience and um definitely will be an 863 00:50:18,929 --> 00:50:20,719 opportunity for the commission to get 864 00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,760 involved especially with some education and training um and 865 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,719 ensuring that the community 866 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,570 knows what's going on um obviously staff has had some 867 00:50:29,570 --> 00:50:31,760 lessons learned from south ridge and how those 868 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:37,000 conversations went you know I'm only humans we've learned 869 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,519 um but um so I think it will be a great 870 00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:42,559 opportunity though for the commission to get involved um 871 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:44,480 for that historic resource survey 872 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,980 especially since it's at the national register level and a 873 00:50:46,980 --> 00:50:48,639 nomination will be coming out of that 874 00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:52,300 so I think it's really a really good practice for you all 875 00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:54,559 practice for staff and also just making 876 00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,570 sure that the neighborhood gets excited about preserving 877 00:50:57,570 --> 00:51:01,360 the history um in terms of other 878 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:06,110 additional information some staff did attend the national 879 00:51:06,110 --> 00:51:08,960 the napc forum which is the national 880 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,989 alliance for preservation commissions uh that was held in 881 00:51:11,989 --> 00:51:13,840 minneapolis we went at the end of 882 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,860 july and uh we were able to train some planning staff and 883 00:51:18,860 --> 00:51:21,199 historic preservation which is really 884 00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:25,500 exciting hailey got you means me hailey got to go um so now 885 00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:27,920 she's like oh I understand like some of 886 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,710 the like lingo you're using everything um but it was very 887 00:51:31,710 --> 00:51:35,519 informative we got some good um ideas 888 00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:38,570 for the preservation program kind of still formulating 889 00:51:38,570 --> 00:51:40,400 those met internally with hailey 890 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,420 and our director charlie i was involved to kind of just 891 00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:46,000 talk through some preliminary ideas but 892 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,369 i'm hoping I can have some exciting news and some 893 00:51:48,369 --> 00:51:51,119 additional information to share with you all um 894 00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:55,530 in september and in the fall so yeah thank you and now i'm 895 00:51:55,530 --> 00:51:58,480 done well it sparked an idea 896 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:05,010 so if that golf station is to go through the one right over 897 00:52:05,010 --> 00:52:07,679 here on elm which has the big 898 00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:12,079 like glass window which would be and they decorated all for 899 00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:14,400 christmas yes 900 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,519 which one the one right here the other one yeah 901 00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:27,360 or i get my own little change that's right 902 00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:32,800 all right anything else 903 00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:41,039 all right we are adjourned at 6 23 p.m