WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.480 Okay, it is nine o'clock. 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:12.160 We do have a quorum, so let's call the meeting to order. 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:15.760 Billy Cheek is out sick, so he will not be joining us. 00:00:15.760 --> 00:00:21.480 The first item is a work session to receive a report and hold a discussion and give staff 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:27.920 direction regarding the whitetail wolf ridge physical delivery of energy. 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:32.080 The person who is going to give that presentation is stuck in traffic, so we're going to put 00:00:32.080 --> 00:00:39.320 that as the last item of the agenda, so we'll go into the consent agenda. 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:43.480 Does any board member wish to pull one of the items under the consent agenda? 00:00:43.480 --> 00:00:46.320 I just have a real quick question on A. 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:48.120 Okay, so we'll pull A. 00:00:48.120 --> 00:00:49.120 B. 00:00:49.120 --> 00:00:50.120 And B. 00:00:50.120 --> 00:00:53.120 And D. 00:00:53.120 --> 00:00:55.120 Bravo and Delta. 00:00:55.120 --> 00:00:56.120 Bravo Delta. 00:00:56.120 --> 00:01:04.040 Alright, so then do we have a motion to approve item C and E? 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:05.040 So moved. 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:06.040 Move approval. 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:07.040 Second. 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:08.040 All in favor say aye. 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:09.040 Aye. 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:10.040 Carries item A. 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:19.600 Good morning, Frank Pugsley, Water and Wastewater Utilities Director, here to answer any questions 00:01:19.600 --> 00:01:24.560 you have on item A, which is the Northwest Booster Pump Station and Water Transmission 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:28.180 Main. 00:01:28.180 --> 00:01:33.200 So it will be located on our property at the Riney Road Elevated Storage Tank. 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:36.640 We own a large rectangular track to land there. 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:38.880 So more or less North Lakes Park? 00:01:38.880 --> 00:01:43.480 Yeah, it's close to there, just north of there, north and east a little bit, so it's north 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:50.840 of 77 on Riney Road there, right by our Elevated Storage Tank on that same property. 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:51.840 That's all I wanted to know. 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:54.760 Alright, do we have a motion to approve? 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:56.400 I move we approve. 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:57.400 Second. 00:01:57.400 --> 00:01:58.800 All in favor say aye. 00:01:58.800 --> 00:01:59.800 Aye. 00:01:59.800 --> 00:02:01.760 That one carries. 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:04.680 Item B. Bravo. 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:05.680 Good morning. 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:11.120 Frank Pugsley, Water and Wastewater Utilities Director, I'd like to answer any questions 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:14.160 on the TECSAT relocations along I-35. 00:02:14.160 --> 00:02:22.400 Yeah, the question I have is of the $10.8 million anticipated for the whole project, 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:25.040 how much of that is reimbursable? 00:02:25.040 --> 00:02:27.280 Virtually all of that will be reimbursable. 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:32.320 There is a little piece of engineering scope in the contract that's to help us with conflict 00:02:32.320 --> 00:02:38.080 resolution on the other I-35 projects that are from basically 380 north to the county 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:39.080 line. 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:42.920 So under this particular project, those aren't going to be reimbursable, but eventually we 00:02:42.920 --> 00:02:47.080 can get reimbursed on that subsequent TECSAT project. 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:54.400 So for this particular one, we have, I believe, over about 5,000 feet of transmission main. 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:58.560 That's really the lion's share of that $10 million and then various other smaller utilities. 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:04.760 A couple of crossings under 35, they were going to have to rebore and move the lines 00:03:04.760 --> 00:03:07.880 to accommodate the relocations. 00:03:07.880 --> 00:03:10.160 Same question for the engineering portion of this. 00:03:10.160 --> 00:03:13.600 Engineering part is $922,000. 00:03:13.600 --> 00:03:15.640 How much of that is reimbursable? 00:03:15.640 --> 00:03:20.000 I think there's about $30,000 that we anticipate may or may not be reimbursable under this 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:22.320 current project. 00:03:22.320 --> 00:03:29.720 And the part that's not reimbursable, that fits the budget of the city, is that true? 00:03:29.720 --> 00:03:30.720 Yes. 00:03:30.720 --> 00:03:31.720 Okay. 00:03:31.720 --> 00:03:32.720 That's it. 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last resources that we procure to achieve the 100 percent renewable goal 00:06:56.340 --> 00:07:03.200 under the Denton Renewable Resource Plan. 00:07:03.200 --> 00:07:11.520 So within the current portfolio of resources that we use to meet the renewable mandate, 00:07:11.520 --> 00:07:15.800 we have a legacy contract that's called White Tail Wolf Ridge. 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:19.680 It is a wind energy resource. 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:22.560 It is located north of here. 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:28.240 The contract was entered into sometime in the 2014 timeframe. 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:32.840 It's a 30 megawatt contract for around-the-clock energy. 00:07:32.840 --> 00:07:37.700 It is a physical delivery of that energy at the White Tail Bus. 00:07:37.700 --> 00:07:45.960 It's the interconnection point between the White Tail Wolf Ridge asset and the ERCOT 00:07:45.960 --> 00:07:49.200 transmission grid. 00:07:49.200 --> 00:07:57.560 In 2016, the contract was amended to include an additional 30 megawatts of renewable energy 00:07:57.560 --> 00:07:58.560 credit. 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:05.920 So the contract, as it's currently configured, it includes 30 megawatts of energy around-the-clock, 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:12.840 so every hour of every day, and then 60 megawatts of renewable energy credits for every hour 00:08:12.840 --> 00:08:14.880 of every day. 00:08:14.880 --> 00:08:28.180 So you can see it's 525,600 recs per year and 262,800 megawatts per year. 00:08:28.180 --> 00:08:33.200 The contract does expire at the end of 2023. 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:40.520 As I said, it is a legacy contract, it's one of our more expensive renewable energy contracts. 00:08:40.520 --> 00:08:46.640 The Denton Renewable Resource Plan, which was passed by Council, and this PUB reviewed 00:08:46.640 --> 00:08:55.720 that extensively with consultants, the consultant is Energy Risk Consultants, and the actual 00:08:55.720 --> 00:09:02.360 Denton Renewable Resource Plan is an amendment to the resolution that was passed, is actually 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:08.120 an attachment to the resolution that was passed in 2018. 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:14.000 In the final version, you can see there was a discussion, and some of the PUB members 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:18.080 may remember the discussion about White Tail. 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:25.920 In the Council session, it was discussed, and you can see that the consultant in the 00:09:25.920 --> 00:09:32.300 final addendum included this statement, "Count White Tail as a renewable resource, no." 00:09:32.300 --> 00:09:38.440 So currently, we are not counting it as a renewable resource. 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:44.120 So one of the reasons why I'm back to you today is to kind of remedy what was some false 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:49.800 information that was provided, some information that's more accurate on how renewable energy 00:09:49.800 --> 00:09:57.200 credits work in the market, and what the physical delivery aspects of this contract make, and 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:02.920 ask for your consideration for a different treatment of this contract, and we've got 00:10:02.920 --> 00:10:05.120 three different options. 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:10.000 One would be to keep it the way it is, which is we take no credit for those renewable energy 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:12.880 credits. 00:10:12.880 --> 00:10:18.440 The second one is to utilize the same construct as we use for all the other resources, and 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:24.960 the third would be to count all of the renewable energy credits that we receive towards the 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:26.760 100% goal. 00:10:26.760 --> 00:10:31.000 Let me talk about the physical output of the resource. 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:36.360 So as you can see, this is 24 months, and I apologize for the busyness of the slide, 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:43.480 but this shows for each hour during the 24 previous months, the output of the White Tail 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:44.480 resource. 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:49.840 The resource is actually capable of producing 110 megawatts. 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:54.200 We have contracted for 30 megawatts of energy. 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:58.920 And as you see, the blue bars represent what the physical output was of the asset during 00:10:58.920 --> 00:11:05.140 each hour, and most hours you see that it's above the 30 megawatt line. 00:11:05.140 --> 00:11:11.680 Here we see an hour where it was 20 megawatts, and here we see a period where the resource 00:11:11.680 --> 00:11:13.280 was not running at all. 00:11:13.280 --> 00:11:18.280 Now we see this information after the fact from ERCOT. 00:11:18.280 --> 00:11:20.580 This is posted on the ERCOT website. 00:11:20.580 --> 00:11:26.760 We can verify what the physical output of the asset was. 00:11:26.760 --> 00:11:35.320 So 8% of these hours had been -- there was no wind output, 53% of the time the energy 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:39.640 from the facility is above the 30 megawatts. 00:11:39.640 --> 00:11:42.840 And now I'd like to discuss how we do other resources. 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:43.840 So Santorita. 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:44.840 Yes, sir. 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:56.120 This might be a really silly question, but if it falls below 30 megawatt output, but 00:11:56.120 --> 00:12:01.480 we're getting 30 megawatts -- Ed, could you get closer to your microphone, 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:02.480 please? 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:03.480 Oh, sorry. 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:07.200 But we're getting 30 megawatts every day. 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:11.720 Where does that 30 megawatts come from that was not generated by the wind farm? 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:14.320 So that's a great question. 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:15.320 So thanks. 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:16.320 Yeah. 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:18.600 Because it's not intuitive. 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:24.480 Our other resources, like Santorita, we get whatever the farm produces in each hour. 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:27.840 So some hours at zero, and we get zero. 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:31.840 Here we get 30, even though the resource may be at zero. 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:37.400 That's a contractual arrangement with the owner of the whitetail project. 00:12:37.400 --> 00:12:44.400 And what happens is they purchase the energy from the market when the resource is less 00:12:44.400 --> 00:12:45.880 than 30. 00:12:45.880 --> 00:12:51.040 And they provide that to us at the same delivery point, and it would be at the same contract 00:12:51.040 --> 00:12:52.040 price. 00:12:52.040 --> 00:12:54.800 Does that answer your question? 00:12:54.800 --> 00:12:55.800 Yeah, it does. 00:12:55.800 --> 00:12:56.960 Thank you very much. 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:04.920 So the other piece is that they also sell the RECs, so the renewable energy credits, the 00:13:04.920 --> 00:13:09.920 60 megawatts come to us from this facility. 00:13:09.920 --> 00:13:16.760 And we actually have an account at ERCOT who administrates the REC program. 00:13:16.760 --> 00:13:25.320 All these RECs are deposited into the DME account for that 60 megawatts. 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:30.760 So one of the second proposals, the second option that we discussed with you, we asked 00:13:30.760 --> 00:13:38.440 for your input on, would be to count the lower of 30 megawatts or the actual output. 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:43.600 And what that would do is it would say every hour that we were running and the asset was 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:49.320 above 30 megawatts, we would count that 30, because physically they were delivered and 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:52.040 generated by the resource. 00:13:52.040 --> 00:13:57.880 If it was below 30, like in this case here we had 20, we'd only count 20. 00:13:57.880 --> 00:14:00.360 And here we'd count zero. 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:06.680 And we can look back over time and see exactly how this resource ran each hour of each day 00:14:06.680 --> 00:14:14.680 to determine what the physical output was. 00:14:14.680 --> 00:14:18.240 Before I go into the details of the impact here, I want to talk a little bit about what 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:21.440 a renewable energy credit is. 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:27.640 So a renewable energy credit is what's called an environmental attribute of energy that's 00:14:27.640 --> 00:14:32.720 generated from a designated renewable energy resource. 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:39.680 Under state law it's administered by the Public Utility Commission of Texas, the program is, 00:14:39.680 --> 00:14:44.000 and it's implemented through ERCOT. 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:51.860 In the original deregulation bill in Texas, the renewable, the retail energy providers, 00:14:51.860 --> 00:14:57.280 the competitive retail energy providers, were required to achieve a certain percentage of 00:14:57.280 --> 00:15:04.320 renewable energy in providing options for customers to choose from. 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:11.200 The mechanism to track the actual renewable component of that is a renewable energy credit. 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:17.440 A renewable energy credit can only be given to a renewable energy resource that physically 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:20.760 delivers that megawatt into the grid. 00:15:20.760 --> 00:15:27.840 So if a REC, as we call them, renewable energy credit, is in someone's account, it can only 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:35.840 be there if a physical megawatt of renewable energy was generated, verified by the historical 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:38.700 operation of the facility. 00:15:38.700 --> 00:15:46.160 So a REC in and of itself is proof positive that a megawatt of renewable energy was in 00:15:46.160 --> 00:15:51.880 fact delivered to the Texas ERCOT grid. 00:15:51.880 --> 00:15:55.280 So what is the accreditation impact? 00:15:55.280 --> 00:16:04.120 You can see here without whitetail, here's the megawatt hours that are produced from 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:07.880 our renewable resources and what they represent. 00:16:07.880 --> 00:16:17.580 We can see that for 1920 we're about 50 percent and because we have additional resources coming 00:16:17.580 --> 00:16:24.880 online this summer, we'll be increasing that to about 71 percent for the -- I'm sorry, 00:16:24.880 --> 00:16:29.720 for the -- 50 percent for the 1920 period and then we have additional resources coming 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:32.000 on as you can see. 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:39.800 Were we to include the renewables from whitetail in the manner that the second option is, which 00:16:39.800 --> 00:16:47.520 is the lower of 30 megawatts or that physical output, you can see that we would increase 00:16:47.520 --> 00:16:52.440 that percentage by about 10 percent. 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:58.600 What that means is because we don't currently include them, we're in the midst of doing 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:04.280 these RFPs, we'll have to procure additional energy and renewable resources to replace 00:17:04.280 --> 00:17:06.920 those. 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:14.320 Now the RFPs are structured in a way that we can determine specifically what we need 00:17:14.320 --> 00:17:23.020 and specify that to the bidders or procure that from the bidders as we get the bids in. 00:17:23.020 --> 00:17:31.080 We estimate that for just the 30 megawatts with the REX, it's about $2.6 million of additional 00:17:31.080 --> 00:17:35.800 cost that we would be incurring and I say would be. 00:17:35.800 --> 00:17:41.960 Right now as we sit, the policy is that we're not counting whitetail and so we are going 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:50.280 to incur $2.6 million of additional energy expense in order to fill that 10 percent. 00:17:50.280 --> 00:17:55.040 If this is out of order, tell me. 00:17:55.040 --> 00:18:04.080 I'm curious as to why you mentioned some misinformation regarding the initial decision not to include. 00:18:04.080 --> 00:18:13.520 Can you explain what that misinformation was, why this was not included in the initial package? 00:18:13.520 --> 00:18:23.580 I would just characterize it as a detail in the renewable resource plan that wasn't adequately 00:18:23.580 --> 00:18:25.960 explained. 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:33.480 And the reason from going back and reviewing those tapes is there was a lot of information 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:41.280 provided to PUB and council in a very short period of time on a very significant issue. 00:18:41.280 --> 00:18:47.320 This contract, because of the nature of the contract, it's so different from the Santa 00:18:47.320 --> 00:18:54.700 Rita contract or the Blue Bell II contract where it's very intuitive that what's actually 00:18:54.700 --> 00:18:57.920 delivered has a REX and you count it. 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:02.880 But because of this one, your prior question is 30 megawatts around the clock and there 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:09.060 could be some periods of time when the resource is not running but yet energy is being delivered 00:19:09.060 --> 00:19:15.800 and REX are being delivered, in order to simplify the plan, the consultants recommended that 00:19:15.800 --> 00:19:18.240 we not include them. 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:23.020 And some of the PUB members may have been present during those conversations and may 00:19:23.020 --> 00:19:26.320 be able to provide a little additional insight on to it. 00:19:26.320 --> 00:19:32.720 And I think there was a feeling that it wasn't a physical asset, so they didn't -- it wasn't 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:33.720 real. 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:34.720 Sure. 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:35.720 Sure. 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:38.520 That's part of the history. 00:19:38.520 --> 00:19:39.520 But it is real. 00:19:39.520 --> 00:19:45.400 It is being -- Yes, it is a physical -- it is a renewable resource and, again, because 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:52.760 ERCOT allocates REX to the resource and we have them in our account, it means that energy 00:19:52.760 --> 00:19:58.640 was physically delivered as a renewable on to the ERCOT grid. 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:03.600 Many -- I should say most other, and I'm not familiar with any that actually don't, but 00:20:03.600 --> 00:20:10.600 we consider any REX that they have in their account a renewable, regardless of the resource, 00:20:10.600 --> 00:20:11.600 regardless of the source. 00:20:11.600 --> 00:20:17.080 And, again, that's how the competitive retail providers, the REPs, that's how they were 00:20:17.080 --> 00:20:23.760 measured by ERCOT for compliance with the renewable standard. 00:20:23.760 --> 00:20:29.760 A couple other benefits, if you were to consider this potential, is that when the contract 00:20:29.760 --> 00:20:39.520 expires in end of 2023, 2024, we will be able to go out and replace it then with something 00:20:39.520 --> 00:20:44.440 that what I call temporal diversity, basically a shorter-term contract. 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:48.320 All of our contracts today are 15- to 20-year contracts. 00:20:48.320 --> 00:20:53.000 That represents a risk, a very long-term price risk. 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:59.360 Markets change, regulatory paradigms change, and a lot of things could change over the 00:20:59.360 --> 00:21:01.680 next 15- to 20-years. 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:06.280 If we could put another contract in place to replace this, that would say five years 00:21:06.280 --> 00:21:12.440 or seven years or ten years, that will give us some temporal diversity in our portfolio 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:18.520 and enable us to avoid potential rate shock when each of these contracts end and we have 00:21:18.520 --> 00:21:25.720 to replace them with another contract that could be at a higher price. 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:30.680 We're currently faced with a projection in the market that we're going to see an additional 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:38.600 20% wind and a huge amount of solar resources that are coming into the market. 00:21:38.600 --> 00:21:43.640 And if we wait to replace this contract, we may be able to take advantage of lower prices 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:48.120 that could be available over the next four years. 00:21:48.120 --> 00:21:55.320 And then the last one option that is out there is battery storage, potentially we're seeing 00:21:55.320 --> 00:21:58.280 battery prices come down. 00:21:58.280 --> 00:22:03.520 We are doing RFP right now, we'll get the results of that in February to look at battery 00:22:03.520 --> 00:22:10.480 storage to see if that's a way to more cost-effectively utilize the resources we have. 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:17.980 Many of the resources, well, Santa Rita for example, we see that producing renewable energy 00:22:17.980 --> 00:22:23.200 at night a lot and in the early morning when we don't need it to serve load, the battery 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:31.000 would enable us to store that energy when it has less value and then use it to consume 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:38.120 for load when it has a lot more value and when the wind is not blowing as hard. 00:22:38.120 --> 00:22:42.920 That would give, that would still be a renewable energy because it was charged with renewable 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:46.680 energy and we get the full value for that. 00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:52.440 So those are some options that could be taken advantage of for you to decide to adopt one 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:56.400 of these other options. 00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:04.640 So again, here are the three options, status quo, option two, what I'll call the physical 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:11.560 option which is the lower of 30 megawatts or the actual. 00:23:11.560 --> 00:23:17.800 That would add 10% towards the goal immediately and avoids that $2.6 million of additional 00:23:17.800 --> 00:23:24.620 cost and then the third option which you might consider is to credit all of the renewable 00:23:24.620 --> 00:23:31.980 energy credits that we have in the account towards the 100% objective. 00:23:31.980 --> 00:23:38.300 When the contract was modified in 2016 to include the additional 30 megawatts of recs, 00:23:38.300 --> 00:23:48.400 the reason that was done was to achieve the then renewable dent in plan of 40% and so 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:55.600 the specific purpose at that time was to add that 30 megawatts of recs in order to achieve 00:23:55.600 --> 00:24:00.000 that 40%. 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:07.200 If you choose to go with option two or three, we would have to go to council with a resolution 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:12.220 since the dent in renewable resource plan was adopted by resolution, we have to amend 00:24:12.220 --> 00:24:16.460 it by resolution as well. 00:24:16.460 --> 00:24:26.880 And here again is the percent for each of the options and we're looking at in 19-20, 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:33.760 we'd go from 50 under the current status quo to 60 or 82% under option three. 00:24:33.760 --> 00:24:40.720 And we can see that we'd be-- without any additional purchases, we'd be at the 100% 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:44.720 by 2021. 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:46.560 So with that, I guess there are any questions you might have. 00:24:46.560 --> 00:24:52.440 >> Could you go back to the slide before the last-- that one. 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:55.960 No, one-- yeah, the options, yeah. 00:24:55.960 --> 00:25:02.480 So number three is consistent with what all of the other retail electric-- 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:04.520 >> The competitive retail electric providers. 00:25:04.520 --> 00:25:05.520 >> Are doing. 00:25:05.520 --> 00:25:06.520 >> Correct. 00:25:06.520 --> 00:25:10.920 And I need to point out as well, we are not regulated by RCOT. 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:17.760 The dent in renewable resource plan is a community policy decision. 00:25:17.760 --> 00:25:22.880 The policy makers in this community determine how you're going to account renewables against 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:27.760 it to account for them, what you're going to include and what you're not going to include. 00:25:27.760 --> 00:25:35.240 So it's-- there's really no state oversight except for the generation of these recs and 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:41.920 the depositing of them into your account and again, RCOT monitors those accounts, administers 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:44.760 those accounts for all market participants. 00:25:44.760 --> 00:25:50.760 So it is a community decision on whether you decide to include these or not. 00:25:50.760 --> 00:25:52.440 >> So I have a question. 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:58.660 Of the three options you've got up there, it's my understanding that from a rate payer 00:25:58.660 --> 00:26:06.640 point of view, the least cost option of those three would be option two, is that correct? 00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:11.000 >> Option three, option three would be the least cost option because if you think about 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:18.280 it, rate payers are already paying for those 60 megawatts of renewable energy credits. 00:26:18.280 --> 00:26:25.880 If we only count the lower of 30 or actual, then we lose between-- whatever the differences 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:32.160 between 60 and the actual production and we would have to go and replace those in the 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:33.160 market. 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:34.160 We are currently planning to do that. 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:36.840 I mean that's what the RFPs are intended to do. 00:26:36.840 --> 00:26:37.840 So-- 00:26:37.840 --> 00:26:42.040 >> And this replacement cost is the 2.6 million you're talking about. 00:26:42.040 --> 00:26:47.640 >> That would be for the-- the 2.6 million is for the 30 megawatts, the lower of 30 or 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:48.640 actual. 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:52.720 If we were to take all of them, it would be a larger number. 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:53.720 >> Of savings. 00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:58.280 >> The savings would be, I'm sorry, probably around five and a half million dollars. 00:26:58.280 --> 00:27:01.960 >> Now, you spent more time on two than three. 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:05.880 Is that because of the prior perception of-- 00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:06.880 >> Yes. 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:08.960 >> We want it to be the physical energy that's-- 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:09.960 >> Correct. 00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:10.960 >> Okay. 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:12.880 >> I've spent more time on number two because it's kind of a compromise-- 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:13.880 >> Right. 00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:21.520 >> Between one and three, you know, DME, we're agnostic about this. 00:27:21.520 --> 00:27:23.520 This is-- we're seeking your direction. 00:27:23.520 --> 00:27:29.040 This is strictly a decision to be made by the PUB and council. 00:27:29.040 --> 00:27:32.480 We can do whatever you decide to do. 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:38.200 >> Does option three include the two point-- would you have an option three, the 2.6 million 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:41.680 dollars that you have avoided in option two? 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:49.320 >> Yes, it would be 2.6 million plus the value of those energy credits that are above the 00:27:49.320 --> 00:27:50.320 30 megawatts. 00:27:50.320 --> 00:28:03.720 So that additional 30 megawatts which is about-- let me go back here. 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:10.000 Here you can see it's about 262,800 recs per year is that additional 30. 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:12.720 They're about two dollars apiece. 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:21.880 So for three years, you know, you're talking about-- what's that? 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:30.880 About 1.5 million for three years of rec value on top of the 2.6. 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:32.320 >> So I'm a rate payer. 00:28:32.320 --> 00:28:34.400 Let's pretend I'm a rate payer. 00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:42.200 Tell me why option three is-- the view point I have now is option three would cost more 00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:43.200 than option two. 00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:44.200 >> No. 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:45.200 No. 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:46.200 No. 00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:47.200 Other way. 00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:48.200 Other way. 00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.840 >> So it's 2.6 million of savings in option two, an additional 1.5 million of savings 00:28:51.840 --> 00:28:53.700 associated with option three. 00:28:53.700 --> 00:28:56.760 >> So option three is the least cost for the rate payer. 00:28:56.760 --> 00:28:57.760 Is that true? 00:28:57.760 --> 00:28:58.760 >> Correct. 00:28:58.760 --> 00:28:59.760 >> Yes. 00:28:59.760 --> 00:29:08.360 >> But again, I need to point out that, you know, currently as we manage the position, 00:29:08.360 --> 00:29:15.480 we're managing it from the premise of there are no credits that we're assuming from Whitetail. 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:21.800 So in our projections, in our budgets that we've provided to you for consideration, we 00:29:21.800 --> 00:29:26.040 have not included this potential savings. 00:29:26.040 --> 00:29:34.000 Well, from my perspective, I would go with option three because recs are real. 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:35.000 They are. 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:36.000 They're real energy. 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:40.120 But I would also be happy with two. 00:29:40.120 --> 00:29:41.640 But I think we need to count it. 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:46.160 It is something that we are receiving and we should count it towards our renewable. 00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:47.160 >> Yeah. 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:48.160 I would agree. 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.160 My main question was whether this was just a sort of a counting trick to make us look 00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:58.800 good or whether it actually achieved the goals that we've established, you know, as something 00:29:58.800 --> 00:30:00.200 that's a priority for the city. 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:10.160 So if this, if the recs represent actual renewables, I mean, I think that answers that question. 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:13.140 Three seems to be, makes sense. 00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:18.800 >> And I agree with Susan and Karen on this, that we should use all the credits we're paying 00:30:18.800 --> 00:30:25.320 for, particularly given your representation that those are legitimate, they're regulated 00:30:25.320 --> 00:30:27.160 or caught approved. 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:32.040 We're not going out on a limb or a tangent to call something renewable that is not. 00:30:32.040 --> 00:30:36.520 It has to be generated from a renewable standpoint to generate that credit. 00:30:36.520 --> 00:30:42.360 So I'm very comfortable with using all the credits that we've paid for toward our goal 00:30:42.360 --> 00:30:45.240 of going to 100% renewable. 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.200 >> And to Karen's point, it's not an accounting trick. 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:49.200 It's really there. 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:50.200 So. 00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:52.440 >> I have a question. 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:58.320 Do you have the, can you put up the document from enterprise risk that was in our backup 00:30:58.320 --> 00:30:59.320 material? 00:30:59.320 --> 00:31:00.320 >> Let's see. 00:31:00.320 --> 00:31:05.640 >> I just have a couple of questions. 00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:09.520 >> Actually don't, I apologize, I don't have that on the backup, the slide, but I'm very 00:31:09.520 --> 00:31:10.520 familiar with the letter. 00:31:10.520 --> 00:31:16.040 I spent a lot of time discussing this with enterprise risk because obviously we wanted 00:31:16.040 --> 00:31:20.920 their consent before we made any type of recommendation. 00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:22.000 Thanks. 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.000 I've got it now. 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:24.000 >> Okay. 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:25.000 >> I just don't have it up here. 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:29.240 >> My question is, first of all, what is the definition of off take? 00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:31.960 >> Off take is a term of art in the business. 00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:35.440 It means the amount of energy that we're purchasing. 00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:40.520 So it's, these are called off take agreements or power purchase agreements. 00:31:40.520 --> 00:31:41.520 >> Okay. 00:31:41.520 --> 00:31:46.520 >> The other question I had was, if, I'll just read this, with regard to White Tail Wolf 00:31:46.520 --> 00:31:53.640 Ridge, upon review of your documentation we believe it may be possible to classify a portion 00:31:53.640 --> 00:32:00.200 of the off take from the White Tail Wolf Ridge contract with NextEra as renewable energy 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:06.640 subject to A, the ability to trace the energy production from the specific renewable generation 00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:14.480 resource and the renewable energy credits and B, a dent in renewable energy formal operational 00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:19.000 process as proposed earlier in this letter that supports such a classification which 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:20.960 is what we're talking about now. 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:29.520 So my question is, do we have, is there the ability to trace the energy production from 00:32:29.520 --> 00:32:32.480 the specific renewable generation resource? 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.120 >> Yes, sir. 00:32:34.120 --> 00:32:35.200 It is documented. 00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:42.560 This is that one chart I was showing you here. 00:32:42.560 --> 00:32:52.040 This is the physical output of energy from the resource as reported to ERCOT by NextEra. 00:32:52.040 --> 00:32:58.520 So yes, it is physically possible to track this after the fact. 00:32:58.520 --> 00:33:06.320 And for each of these, in our account for that 60 megawatts, the rec actually is like 00:33:06.320 --> 00:33:12.520 a serial number on it that's associated with a certain time period and the specific resource 00:33:12.520 --> 00:33:18.200 that it came from so that things don't get double counted in the marketplace. 00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:28.440 >> Well, I as well support option three and because of the obvious benefits not only to 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:39.080 the rate payer, but to the incredible idea that Denton is actually going to 100% renewable 00:33:39.080 --> 00:33:44.600 in this amount of time when other cities are struggling to get a fraction of this within 00:33:44.600 --> 00:33:46.440 the next 15 years. 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:47.440 So thanks. 00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:52.280 >> And I know we don't have action. 00:33:52.280 --> 00:33:53.280 >> No. 00:33:53.280 --> 00:33:58.320 I guess I'm hearing consensus from everyone. 00:33:58.320 --> 00:34:03.260 I guess it would be beneficial for me when I speak to the council tomorrow about this 00:34:03.260 --> 00:34:10.760 to know if all members of the PUB are in agreement that option three is the right option or whether 00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:14.520 there's others that would like to go with option two or option one. 00:34:14.520 --> 00:34:15.520 >> Option three sounds good. 00:34:15.520 --> 00:34:16.520 >> Thank you. 00:34:16.520 --> 00:34:17.520 >> Got your consensus. 00:34:17.520 --> 00:34:18.520 All right. 00:34:18.520 --> 00:34:30.440 So now we're on to items for individual consideration. 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:36.640 The first items are approval of the December 5th, the tour at the deck and the December 00:34:36.640 --> 00:34:39.640 9th meeting minutes. 00:34:39.640 --> 00:34:41.040 >> I'll move approval of both. 00:34:41.040 --> 00:34:42.040 >> I'll second. 00:34:42.040 --> 00:34:44.040 >> All in favor say aye. 00:34:44.040 --> 00:34:45.040 >> Aye. 00:34:45.040 --> 00:34:46.520 >> All right. 00:34:46.520 --> 00:34:56.320 >> Second, consider recommending the adoption of an ordinance of the city of Denton, a contract 00:34:56.320 --> 00:35:01.840 with archer western construction LLC for the construction of Hickory Creek detention facility 00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:06.240 and Pecan Creek West peak flow pump stations for the amount of $14,458,000. 00:35:06.240 --> 00:35:10.520 >> Good morning again, Frank Pugsley, water and waste water utilities director. 00:35:10.520 --> 00:35:18.120 I'd like to briefly discuss the Hickory Creek detention facility and West peak flow pump 00:35:18.120 --> 00:35:20.920 station in this construction project. 00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:26.240 The Hickory Creek detention facility is located off of country club road in the Hickory Creek 00:35:26.240 --> 00:35:33.280 system between country club and 377 and it is to be a 3.5 million gallon ground storage 00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:40.280 tank to hold waste water peak flow during peak flow rainfall events and that will temporarily 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:44.360 reduce the amount of waste water traveling down the Hickory Creek system to the Hickory 00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:52.160 Creek lift station and it involves the construction of a diversion pump station, a new manhole 00:35:52.160 --> 00:35:59.560 and weir structure to access the existing interceptor, storage tank, odor control, cleaning 00:35:59.560 --> 00:36:03.800 equipment to help us clean that tank after we let the waste water flow out after the 00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:09.080 peak flow events and general access roadways and appurtenances to it. 00:36:09.080 --> 00:36:14.280 Additionally, as part of this project, we are to construct a waste water peak flow 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:19.120 pump station at the actual waste water plant at Pecan Creek and this will intercept peak 00:36:19.120 --> 00:36:23.280 flows coming from the north and west of the plant. 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:29.800 We have an existing peak flow facility that is on the state school interceptor to divert 00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:31.600 flows from the south. 00:36:31.600 --> 00:36:36.120 This pump station will pick up flows coming in and pump them to another on-site basin 00:36:36.120 --> 00:36:44.920 for temporary storage during peak flow events to help the plant accommodate large flow variations. 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:52.360 We submitted or issued a request for proposal for this project, received two proposals, 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:56.280 one from Oscar Renda Contracting and the second one from Archer Western. 00:36:56.280 --> 00:37:00.120 Archer Western was selected as the best value for the city. 00:37:00.120 --> 00:37:05.440 They were approximately $2 million lower than Oscar Renda so not only were they lower in 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:09.840 price but they're also the best value as far as our anticipated performance. 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:15.000 They're currently working on two projects locally at the Lake Louisville water treatment 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.960 plant and we're confident in their abilities to do this project. 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:26.320 With that, we recommend awarding the contract to Archer Western, actually I think that alternate 00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:31.520 A2, I'm not sure, I think that was a leftover artifact from another project so I apologize 00:37:31.520 --> 00:37:39.200 for that but award the contract to Archer Western in the amount of $14,458,000 and just 00:37:39.200 --> 00:37:44.560 in general here's a map of the two locations of the facility, the Hickory Creek Detention 00:37:44.560 --> 00:37:48.760 Facility being in the southern portion of town on the Hickory Creek system and then 00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:52.680 at the Pecan Creek Water Recovery Facility there. 00:37:52.680 --> 00:37:57.280 With that I'll entertain any questions you might have about the project. 00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:03.760 Go ahead, you don't have a question? 00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:08.440 When I'm looking at the evaluation score sheet, I know that you said that they're already 00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:12.520 working at Lake Louisville and that's why they scored higher. 00:38:12.520 --> 00:38:20.640 Oscar Renda didn't score very high, do we have experience with that or is it-- I know 00:38:20.640 --> 00:38:24.480 the price was $2 million lower so obviously you're going to save $2 million. 00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:29.320 I believe that we don't really have much recent relevant experience with Archer Western at 00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.400 the city, the reason why they scored lower. 00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:33.400 Okay. 00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:35.120 I had a question. 00:38:35.120 --> 00:38:37.080 Oscar Renda, yes. 00:38:37.080 --> 00:38:38.080 Oscar, right. 00:38:38.080 --> 00:38:43.440 Oh sorry, Oscar Renda, I'm sorry, we don't have a recent experience with Oscar Renda. 00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:44.440 Okay. 00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:50.920 Just a clarification, wastewater is not the same as sewage, correct? 00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:51.920 One and the same, yes. 00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:52.920 They are the same. 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.360 Yes, I'm using those interchangeably. 00:38:55.360 --> 00:39:00.840 All right, so wastewater is also runoff from storms? 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:05.960 In the wastewater collection system, we do have infiltration that occurs in storm events 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:07.680 and flow and infiltration. 00:39:07.680 --> 00:39:11.360 We can't have a completely impervious pipe network. 00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:16.480 We do our best to repair areas where we do find I&I, inflow and infiltration, but peak 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:22.720 storm events do cause a very large peak flow in the wastewater system for any utility. 00:39:22.720 --> 00:39:27.080 When we do design work, we require the system to actually be designed for a four to one 00:39:27.080 --> 00:39:30.240 ratio from average daily to peak storm event. 00:39:30.240 --> 00:39:31.240 Okay. 00:39:31.240 --> 00:39:39.720 So as part of the reason for this, just curious, the forecast for what's going to happen climate-wise 00:39:39.720 --> 00:39:47.080 in this area in the next 40 to 70 years, I think it is, is that rain events will become 00:39:47.080 --> 00:39:54.160 scarcer, but when they happen, the amounts will be deluge-like as we've already seen. 00:39:54.160 --> 00:40:02.240 Will this facility help in the control of flooding in that respect as well? 00:40:02.240 --> 00:40:06.800 It will definitely help control the amount of wastewater that our plant has to treat 00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:08.400 on a peak flow basis. 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:12.160 I neglected to mention this facility is designed to be expandable. 00:40:12.160 --> 00:40:17.120 We're putting in one three and a half million gallon tank today with the anticipation where 00:40:17.120 --> 00:40:21.720 we may install a second tank up to another three and a half million as flows grow in 00:40:21.720 --> 00:40:22.720 that basin. 00:40:22.720 --> 00:40:27.360 The Hickory Creek basin and the interceptor is fairly old. 00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:31.400 We are actively working on projects to replace segments of it. 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:36.820 It's largely in floodplain, so we do have a lot of I&I in that system, so we will actually 00:40:36.820 --> 00:40:41.360 be either lining or replacing a large quantity of that line in the coming years to help with 00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:45.440 that, but yes, this will definitely help with those peak flow events from our large rain 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:46.440 events. 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:51.400 It will help to just kind of divert a portion of that flow so that the wastewater plant 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:55.960 doesn't have to accommodate those peaks and that will help us defer expansions to the 00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:57.880 wastewater plant in the future as well. 00:40:57.880 --> 00:40:59.160 Thank you. 00:40:59.160 --> 00:41:02.800 So there's a lot of home construction going on in that area. 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:07.880 Does the increase in impermeable surface affect your runoff at all? 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.000 Is that taken into account? 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:16.080 We don't take that into account from the wastewater side, but definitely from a stormwater perspective. 00:41:16.080 --> 00:41:19.800 I'm not completely versed on the building codes for stormwater, but that's why there 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:27.320 is additional detention requirements these days for areas with new impervious pavement. 00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:34.280 Right now you're getting land that's absorbing the water is being transferred to homes that 00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:36.360 don't absorb water. 00:41:36.360 --> 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that. 00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:14.320 I'm not completely versed on that. 00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:17.320 I'm not completely versed on that. 00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:20.320 I'm not completely versed on that. 00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:23.320 I'm not completely versed on that. 00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:26.320 I'm not completely versed on that. 00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:29.320 I'm not completely versed on that. 00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:32.320 I'm not completely versed on that. 00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:35.320 I'm not completely versed on that. 00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:38.320 I'm not completely versed on that. 00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:41.320 I'm not completely versed on that. 00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:44.320 I'm not completely versed on that. 00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:47.320 I'm not completely versed on that. 00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.320 I'm not completely versed on that. 00:56:50.320 --> 00:57:03.320 I'm not completely versed on that. 00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:06.320 If that's that should be documented. 00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:09.320 And anything that you learn from how it failed, 00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:12.320 not how quickly it was repaired and service restored. 00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:15.320 I'm not looking at it from that point of view. 00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:18.320 Although you could do that. 00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:22.320 Do similar conditions exist within the system 00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:26.320 that we should be paying more attention to? 00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:30.320 To avert a future catastrophic failure. 00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:34.320 These are the kinds of things that it would benefit 00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:38.320 the utility to probably document in my opinion. 00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:41.320 Sure, and we've documented from what we can tell 00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:45.320 what happened in this area with the pump that actually did fail. 00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:48.320 We are actually also in the process of doing 00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:51.320 an overall emergency response plan that can allow us 00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:54.320 to if those types of events happen. 00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:57.320 And with doing that we're doing a condition assessment 00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:00.320 of all of our lift stations so that we can see 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:03.320 if we have other issues in the actual 00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:06.320 in the lift station program that we can see. 00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.320 So at this time we're aware of some areas that have concerns. 00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:12.320 But this is a very large lift station. 00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:14.320 It's our largest in our system. 00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:17.320 So the only thing that we're moving forward with right now 00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:20.320 is doing an overall condition assessment of all of the lift stations 00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:25.320 we have in our system. 00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:28.320 Any other questions? 00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:30.320 Thank you. 00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:33.320 And then the next item on the green tree estates. 00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:36.320 That has been an ongoing issue. 00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:40.320 The city manager's office, water and wastewater utilities, 00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:43.320 whole host of departments are working with that neighborhood. 00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:47.320 So council gave staff direction back on December the 10th, 00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:49.320 so the day after the PV meeting. 00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:52.320 And so we wanted to provide you with all the information 00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:55.320 that's been given to the community, that community 00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:57.320 along with presentations that have been made. 00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:01.320 And so we're working now with those residents 00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:05.320 to move the effort forward. 00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:08.320 We anticipate bringing a work session to council 00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:13.320 at their first meeting in February to, I believe February 4th, 00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:16.320 to give them an update on where things are based on the direction 00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:18.320 they gave us back on December the 10th. 00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:21.320 So just wanted to provide everything for the PVB 00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:24.320 so you could have everything at certainly your convenience 00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:27.320 and it's posted there online for transparency purposes. 00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:29.320 One question about that. 00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:32.320 In reading the documentation about this episode, 00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:34.320 and I saw it on TV and so forth, 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:38.320 and a lot of information flying around out there, 00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:41.320 I learned that there are nine other neighborhoods 00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:44.320 in 300 to 400 additional lots 00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:48.320 that are potentially in the same situation. 00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:54.320 So I would suggest that it might be wise for the utility department 00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:59.320 to make some kind of preliminary contingency plan 00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:02.320 for each of those nine neighborhoods. 01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:06.320 That if you have a repeat of this, 01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:09.320 where you've got to provide bottled water 01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:12.320 to those nine neighborhoods on short notice, 01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:15.320 how do you do that? 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:22.320 I'm not suggesting that you have to detail the design now, 01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:28.320 but have some kind of a preliminary approach on paper in hand 01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:30.320 so that you know we have to do something here 01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:34.320 in this neighborhood, this is the way we're going to approach it. 01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:37.320 Thank you. 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:40.320 So any questions on those items? 01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:43.320 In relation to your future agendas, 01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:46.320 there is an item that was shown for today, 01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:48.320 the landfill expansion permit. 01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:51.320 That should have actually been included as an ACM update 01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:54.320 to give you all pieces of information 01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:56.320 related to the status of the permit 01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:58.320 and the timing of the permit. 01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:02.320 We're currently in the public comment phase 01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:05.320 with the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality. 01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:08.320 So we included that in the Friday packet for council, 01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:11.320 and we'll make sure that this is sent to you today 01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:13.320 so you're aware of that. 01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:17.320 And then we'll include that in an upcoming PUB meeting 01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:21.320 just as an ACM update. 01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:26.320 Again, just looking at the future agenda items, 01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:29.320 where it shows an update on the declaration of emergency 01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:31.320 for Old Alton lift station. 01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:33.320 That actually is the Hickory Creek item. 01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:35.320 It's just on Old Alton Road, 01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.320 so we sort of use those terms interchangeably, 01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:39.320 so you've been given that information, 01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:42.320 and then we'll be coming back to you in late January 01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:47.320 for the solid waste management study or strategy, 01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:51.320 and then the water and wastewater rate study 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:56.320 upcoming in February, so any questions? 01:01:56.320 --> 01:02:06.320 -All right, any new business items? 01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.320 I guess it's just an attachment, 01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:12.320 so we know it's going to be on the future board meeting. 01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:14.320 All right, concluding items, 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:16.320 is there anything that a board member wishes to have 01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:19.320 on a future agenda? 01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:24.320 Okay, hearing none, do we have a motion to adjourn? 01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:26.320 -I move we adjourn. 01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:28.320 -All right, adjourned.