1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,480 Okay, it is nine o'clock. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:12,160 We do have a quorum, so let's call the meeting to order. 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,760 Billy Cheek is out sick, so he will not be joining us. 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:21,480 The first item is a work session to receive a report and hold a discussion and give staff 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:27,920 direction regarding the whitetail wolf ridge physical delivery of energy. 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,080 The person who is going to give that presentation is stuck in traffic, so we're going to put 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:39,320 that as the last item of the agenda, so we'll go into the consent agenda. 8 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,480 Does any board member wish to pull one of the items under the consent agenda? 9 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:46,320 I just have a real quick question on A. 10 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,120 Okay, so we'll pull A. 11 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,120 B. 12 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,120 And B. 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,120 And D. 14 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,120 Bravo and Delta. 15 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:56,120 Bravo Delta. 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:04,040 Alright, so then do we have a motion to approve item C and E? 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,040 So moved. 18 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,040 Move approval. 19 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:07,040 Second. 20 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:08,040 All in favor say aye. 21 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,040 Aye. 22 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,040 Carries item A. 23 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:19,600 Good morning, Frank Pugsley, Water and Wastewater Utilities Director, here to answer any questions 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,560 you have on item A, which is the Northwest Booster Pump Station and Water Transmission 25 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,180 Main. 26 00:01:28,180 --> 00:01:33,200 So it will be located on our property at the Riney Road Elevated Storage Tank. 27 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,640 We own a large rectangular track to land there. 28 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,880 So more or less North Lakes Park? 29 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:43,480 Yeah, it's close to there, just north of there, north and east a little bit, so it's north 30 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:50,840 of 77 on Riney Road there, right by our Elevated Storage Tank on that same property. 31 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:51,840 That's all I wanted to know. 32 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,760 Alright, do we have a motion to approve? 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,400 I move we approve. 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:57,400 Second. 35 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:58,800 All in favor say aye. 36 00:01:58,800 --> 00:01:59,800 Aye. 37 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,760 That one carries. 38 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,680 Item B. Bravo. 39 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:05,680 Good morning. 40 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:11,120 Frank Pugsley, Water and Wastewater Utilities Director, I'd like to answer any questions 41 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,160 on the TECSAT relocations along I-35. 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:22,400 Yeah, the question I have is of the $10.8 million anticipated for the whole project, 43 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,040 how much of that is reimbursable? 44 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,280 Virtually all of that will be reimbursable. 45 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,320 There is a little piece of engineering scope in the contract that's to help us with conflict 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:38,080 resolution on the other I-35 projects that are from basically 380 north to the county 47 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,080 line. 48 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,920 So under this particular project, those aren't going to be reimbursable, but eventually we 49 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:47,080 can get reimbursed on that subsequent TECSAT project. 50 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:54,400 So for this particular one, we have, I believe, over about 5,000 feet of transmission main. 51 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,560 That's really the lion's share of that $10 million and then various other smaller utilities. 52 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:04,760 A couple of crossings under 35, they were going to have to rebore and move the lines 53 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,880 to accommodate the relocations. 54 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,160 Same question for the engineering portion of this. 55 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,600 Engineering part is $922,000. 56 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,640 How much of that is reimbursable? 57 00:03:15,640 --> 00:03:20,000 I think there's about $30,000 that we anticipate may or may not be reimbursable under this 58 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,320 current project. 59 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:29,720 And the part that's not reimbursable, that fits the budget of the city, is that true? 60 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:30,720 Yes. 61 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:31,720 Okay. 62 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:32,720 That's it. 63 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:33,720 Okay. 64 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:34,720 All right. 65 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:35,720 Do we have a motion to approve? 66 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:36,720 I move we approve. 67 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:37,720 Second. 68 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:38,720 All in favor say aye. 69 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:39,720 Aye. 70 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:40,720 Second. 71 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:41,720 All in favor say aye. 72 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:42,720 Second. 73 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:43,720 All in favor say aye. 74 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:44,720 Second. 75 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:45,720 All in favor say aye. 76 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:46,720 Second. 77 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:47,720 All in favor say aye. 78 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:48,720 Second. 79 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:49,720 All in favor say aye. 80 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:50,720 Second. 81 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:51,720 All in favor say aye. 82 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manager, DME. 183 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,160 Today we're going to talk a little bit about the Denton Renewable Resource Plan and one 184 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:36,800 specific aspect of the plan which deals with how we account for the renewable energy that 185 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,160 we procure to serve the load. 186 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:49,240 The timing of this is such that we have issued three RFPs for additional renewable resources. 187 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:56,340 These will be the last resources that we procure to achieve the 100 percent renewable goal 188 00:06:56,340 --> 00:07:03,200 under the Denton Renewable Resource Plan. 189 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:11,520 So within the current portfolio of resources that we use to meet the renewable mandate, 190 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,800 we have a legacy contract that's called White Tail Wolf Ridge. 191 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,680 It is a wind energy resource. 192 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,560 It is located north of here. 193 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:28,240 The contract was entered into sometime in the 2014 timeframe. 194 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,840 It's a 30 megawatt contract for around-the-clock energy. 195 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:37,700 It is a physical delivery of that energy at the White Tail Bus. 196 00:07:37,700 --> 00:07:45,960 It's the interconnection point between the White Tail Wolf Ridge asset and the ERCOT 197 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,200 transmission grid. 198 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:57,560 In 2016, the contract was amended to include an additional 30 megawatts of renewable energy 199 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:58,560 credit. 200 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:05,920 So the contract, as it's currently configured, it includes 30 megawatts of energy around-the-clock, 201 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:12,840 so every hour of every day, and then 60 megawatts of renewable energy credits for every hour 202 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,880 of every day. 203 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:28,180 So you can see it's 525,600 recs per year and 262,800 megawatts per year. 204 00:08:28,180 --> 00:08:33,200 The contract does expire at the end of 2023. 205 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:40,520 As I said, it is a legacy contract, it's one of our more expensive renewable energy contracts. 206 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:46,640 The Denton Renewable Resource Plan, which was passed by Council, and this PUB reviewed 207 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:55,720 that extensively with consultants, the consultant is Energy Risk Consultants, and the actual 208 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:02,360 Denton Renewable Resource Plan is an amendment to the resolution that was passed, is actually 209 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:08,120 an attachment to the resolution that was passed in 2018. 210 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:14,000 In the final version, you can see there was a discussion, and some of the PUB members 211 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,080 may remember the discussion about White Tail. 212 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:25,920 In the Council session, it was discussed, and you can see that the consultant in the 213 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:32,300 final addendum included this statement, "Count White Tail as a renewable resource, no." 214 00:09:32,300 --> 00:09:38,440 So currently, we are not counting it as a renewable resource. 215 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:44,120 So one of the reasons why I'm back to you today is to kind of remedy what was some false 216 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:49,800 information that was provided, some information that's more accurate on how renewable energy 217 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:57,200 credits work in the market, and what the physical delivery aspects of this contract make, and 218 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:02,920 ask for your consideration for a different treatment of this contract, and we've got 219 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,120 three different options. 220 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:10,000 One would be to keep it the way it is, which is we take no credit for those renewable energy 221 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,880 credits. 222 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:18,440 The second one is to utilize the same construct as we use for all the other resources, and 223 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:24,960 the third would be to count all of the renewable energy credits that we receive towards the 224 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,760 100% goal. 225 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,000 Let me talk about the physical output of the resource. 226 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:36,360 So as you can see, this is 24 months, and I apologize for the busyness of the slide, 227 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:43,480 but this shows for each hour during the 24 previous months, the output of the White Tail 228 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:44,480 resource. 229 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:49,840 The resource is actually capable of producing 110 megawatts. 230 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:54,200 We have contracted for 30 megawatts of energy. 231 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,920 And as you see, the blue bars represent what the physical output was of the asset during 232 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:05,140 each hour, and most hours you see that it's above the 30 megawatt line. 233 00:11:05,140 --> 00:11:11,680 Here we see an hour where it was 20 megawatts, and here we see a period where the resource 234 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:13,280 was not running at all. 235 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:18,280 Now we see this information after the fact from ERCOT. 236 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,580 This is posted on the ERCOT website. 237 00:11:20,580 --> 00:11:26,760 We can verify what the physical output of the asset was. 238 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:35,320 So 8% of these hours had been -- there was no wind output, 53% of the time the energy 239 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,640 from the facility is above the 30 megawatts. 240 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,840 And now I'd like to discuss how we do other resources. 241 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:43,840 So Santorita. 242 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:44,840 Yes, sir. 243 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:56,120 This might be a really silly question, but if it falls below 30 megawatt output, but 244 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:01,480 we're getting 30 megawatts -- Ed, could you get closer to your microphone, 245 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,480 please? 246 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:03,480 Oh, sorry. 247 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,200 But we're getting 30 megawatts every day. 248 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,720 Where does that 30 megawatts come from that was not generated by the wind farm? 249 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,320 So that's a great question. 250 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:15,320 So thanks. 251 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,320 Yeah. 252 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,600 Because it's not intuitive. 253 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:24,480 Our other resources, like Santorita, we get whatever the farm produces in each hour. 254 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,840 So some hours at zero, and we get zero. 255 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,840 Here we get 30, even though the resource may be at zero. 256 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:37,400 That's a contractual arrangement with the owner of the whitetail project. 257 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:44,400 And what happens is they purchase the energy from the market when the resource is less 258 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:45,880 than 30. 259 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:51,040 And they provide that to us at the same delivery point, and it would be at the same contract 260 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,040 price. 261 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,800 Does that answer your question? 262 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:55,800 Yeah, it does. 263 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:56,960 Thank you very much. 264 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:04,920 So the other piece is that they also sell the RECs, so the renewable energy credits, the 265 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,920 60 megawatts come to us from this facility. 266 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:16,760 And we actually have an account at ERCOT who administrates the REC program. 267 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:25,320 All these RECs are deposited into the DME account for that 60 megawatts. 268 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:30,760 So one of the second proposals, the second option that we discussed with you, we asked 269 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:38,440 for your input on, would be to count the lower of 30 megawatts or the actual output. 270 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:43,600 And what that would do is it would say every hour that we were running and the asset was 271 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:49,320 above 30 megawatts, we would count that 30, because physically they were delivered and 272 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,040 generated by the resource. 273 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:57,880 If it was below 30, like in this case here we had 20, we'd only count 20. 274 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,360 And here we'd count zero. 275 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:06,680 And we can look back over time and see exactly how this resource ran each hour of each day 276 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:14,680 to determine what the physical output was. 277 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:18,240 Before I go into the details of the impact here, I want to talk a little bit about what 278 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,440 a renewable energy credit is. 279 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:27,640 So a renewable energy credit is what's called an environmental attribute of energy that's 280 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:32,720 generated from a designated renewable energy resource. 281 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:39,680 Under state law it's administered by the Public Utility Commission of Texas, the program is, 282 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:44,000 and it's implemented through ERCOT. 283 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:51,860 In the original deregulation bill in Texas, the renewable, the retail energy providers, 284 00:14:51,860 --> 00:14:57,280 the competitive retail energy providers, were required to achieve a certain percentage of 285 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:04,320 renewable energy in providing options for customers to choose from. 286 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:11,200 The mechanism to track the actual renewable component of that is a renewable energy credit. 287 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:17,440 A renewable energy credit can only be given to a renewable energy resource that physically 288 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,760 delivers that megawatt into the grid. 289 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:27,840 So if a REC, as we call them, renewable energy credit, is in someone's account, it can only 290 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:35,840 be there if a physical megawatt of renewable energy was generated, verified by the historical 291 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,700 operation of the facility. 292 00:15:38,700 --> 00:15:46,160 So a REC in and of itself is proof positive that a megawatt of renewable energy was in 293 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:51,880 fact delivered to the Texas ERCOT grid. 294 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,280 So what is the accreditation impact? 295 00:15:55,280 --> 00:16:04,120 You can see here without whitetail, here's the megawatt hours that are produced from 296 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,880 our renewable resources and what they represent. 297 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:17,580 We can see that for 1920 we're about 50 percent and because we have additional resources coming 298 00:16:17,580 --> 00:16:24,880 online this summer, we'll be increasing that to about 71 percent for the -- I'm sorry, 299 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:29,720 for the -- 50 percent for the 1920 period and then we have additional resources coming 300 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,000 on as you can see. 301 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:39,800 Were we to include the renewables from whitetail in the manner that the second option is, which 302 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:47,520 is the lower of 30 megawatts or that physical output, you can see that we would increase 303 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:52,440 that percentage by about 10 percent. 304 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:58,600 What that means is because we don't currently include them, we're in the midst of doing 305 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:04,280 these RFPs, we'll have to procure additional energy and renewable resources to replace 306 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,920 those. 307 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:14,320 Now the RFPs are structured in a way that we can determine specifically what we need 308 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:23,020 and specify that to the bidders or procure that from the bidders as we get the bids in. 309 00:17:23,020 --> 00:17:31,080 We estimate that for just the 30 megawatts with the REX, it's about $2.6 million of additional 310 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,800 cost that we would be incurring and I say would be. 311 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:41,960 Right now as we sit, the policy is that we're not counting whitetail and so we are going 312 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:50,280 to incur $2.6 million of additional energy expense in order to fill that 10 percent. 313 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:55,040 If this is out of order, tell me. 314 00:17:55,040 --> 00:18:04,080 I'm curious as to why you mentioned some misinformation regarding the initial decision not to include. 315 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:13,520 Can you explain what that misinformation was, why this was not included in the initial package? 316 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:23,580 I would just characterize it as a detail in the renewable resource plan that wasn't adequately 317 00:18:23,580 --> 00:18:25,960 explained. 318 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:33,480 And the reason from going back and reviewing those tapes is there was a lot of information 319 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:41,280 provided to PUB and council in a very short period of time on a very significant issue. 320 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:47,320 This contract, because of the nature of the contract, it's so different from the Santa 321 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:54,700 Rita contract or the Blue Bell II contract where it's very intuitive that what's actually 322 00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:57,920 delivered has a REX and you count it. 323 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,880 But because of this one, your prior question is 30 megawatts around the clock and there 324 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:09,060 could be some periods of time when the resource is not running but yet energy is being delivered 325 00:19:09,060 --> 00:19:15,800 and REX are being delivered, in order to simplify the plan, the consultants recommended that 326 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,240 we not include them. 327 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:23,020 And some of the PUB members may have been present during those conversations and may 328 00:19:23,020 --> 00:19:26,320 be able to provide a little additional insight on to it. 329 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:32,720 And I think there was a feeling that it wasn't a physical asset, so they didn't -- it wasn't 330 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:33,720 real. 331 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:34,720 Sure. 332 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:35,720 Sure. 333 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,520 That's part of the history. 334 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:39,520 But it is real. 335 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:45,400 It is being -- Yes, it is a physical -- it is a renewable resource and, again, because 336 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:52,760 ERCOT allocates REX to the resource and we have them in our account, it means that energy 337 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:58,640 was physically delivered as a renewable on to the ERCOT grid. 338 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:03,600 Many -- I should say most other, and I'm not familiar with any that actually don't, but 339 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:10,600 we consider any REX that they have in their account a renewable, regardless of the resource, 340 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:11,600 regardless of the source. 341 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:17,080 And, again, that's how the competitive retail providers, the REPs, that's how they were 342 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:23,760 measured by ERCOT for compliance with the renewable standard. 343 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:29,760 A couple other benefits, if you were to consider this potential, is that when the contract 344 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:39,520 expires in end of 2023, 2024, we will be able to go out and replace it then with something 345 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:44,440 that what I call temporal diversity, basically a shorter-term contract. 346 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,320 All of our contracts today are 15- to 20-year contracts. 347 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:53,000 That represents a risk, a very long-term price risk. 348 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:59,360 Markets change, regulatory paradigms change, and a lot of things could change over the 349 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:01,680 next 15- to 20-years. 350 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,280 If we could put another contract in place to replace this, that would say five years 351 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:12,440 or seven years or ten years, that will give us some temporal diversity in our portfolio 352 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:18,520 and enable us to avoid potential rate shock when each of these contracts end and we have 353 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:25,720 to replace them with another contract that could be at a higher price. 354 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:30,680 We're currently faced with a projection in the market that we're going to see an additional 355 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:38,600 20% wind and a huge amount of solar resources that are coming into the market. 356 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:43,640 And if we wait to replace this contract, we may be able to take advantage of lower prices 357 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:48,120 that could be available over the next four years. 358 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:55,320 And then the last one option that is out there is battery storage, potentially we're seeing 359 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,280 battery prices come down. 360 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:03,520 We are doing RFP right now, we'll get the results of that in February to look at battery 361 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:10,480 storage to see if that's a way to more cost-effectively utilize the resources we have. 362 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:17,980 Many of the resources, well, Santa Rita for example, we see that producing renewable energy 363 00:22:17,980 --> 00:22:23,200 at night a lot and in the early morning when we don't need it to serve load, the battery 364 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:31,000 would enable us to store that energy when it has less value and then use it to consume 365 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:38,120 for load when it has a lot more value and when the wind is not blowing as hard. 366 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:42,920 That would give, that would still be a renewable energy because it was charged with renewable 367 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,680 energy and we get the full value for that. 368 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:52,440 So those are some options that could be taken advantage of for you to decide to adopt one 369 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,400 of these other options. 370 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:04,640 So again, here are the three options, status quo, option two, what I'll call the physical 371 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:11,560 option which is the lower of 30 megawatts or the actual. 372 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:17,800 That would add 10% towards the goal immediately and avoids that $2.6 million of additional 373 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:24,620 cost and then the third option which you might consider is to credit all of the renewable 374 00:23:24,620 --> 00:23:31,980 energy credits that we have in the account towards the 100% objective. 375 00:23:31,980 --> 00:23:38,300 When the contract was modified in 2016 to include the additional 30 megawatts of recs, 376 00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:48,400 the reason that was done was to achieve the then renewable dent in plan of 40% and so 377 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:55,600 the specific purpose at that time was to add that 30 megawatts of recs in order to achieve 378 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:00,000 that 40%. 379 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:07,200 If you choose to go with option two or three, we would have to go to council with a resolution 380 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:12,220 since the dent in renewable resource plan was adopted by resolution, we have to amend 381 00:24:12,220 --> 00:24:16,460 it by resolution as well. 382 00:24:16,460 --> 00:24:26,880 And here again is the percent for each of the options and we're looking at in 19-20, 383 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:33,760 we'd go from 50 under the current status quo to 60 or 82% under option three. 384 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:40,720 And we can see that we'd be-- without any additional purchases, we'd be at the 100% 385 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,720 by 2021. 386 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,560 So with that, I guess there are any questions you might have. 387 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:52,440 >> Could you go back to the slide before the last-- that one. 388 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,960 No, one-- yeah, the options, yeah. 389 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:02,480 So number three is consistent with what all of the other retail electric-- 390 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,520 >> The competitive retail electric providers. 391 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:05,520 >> Are doing. 392 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,520 >> Correct. 393 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,920 And I need to point out as well, we are not regulated by RCOT. 394 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:17,760 The dent in renewable resource plan is a community policy decision. 395 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,880 The policy makers in this community determine how you're going to account renewables against 396 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,760 it to account for them, what you're going to include and what you're not going to include. 397 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:35,240 So it's-- there's really no state oversight except for the generation of these recs and 398 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:41,920 the depositing of them into your account and again, RCOT monitors those accounts, administers 399 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,760 those accounts for all market participants. 400 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:50,760 So it is a community decision on whether you decide to include these or not. 401 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,440 >> So I have a question. 402 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:58,660 Of the three options you've got up there, it's my understanding that from a rate payer 403 00:25:58,660 --> 00:26:06,640 point of view, the least cost option of those three would be option two, is that correct? 404 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,000 >> Option three, option three would be the least cost option because if you think about 405 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:18,280 it, rate payers are already paying for those 60 megawatts of renewable energy credits. 406 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:25,880 If we only count the lower of 30 or actual, then we lose between-- whatever the differences 407 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:32,160 between 60 and the actual production and we would have to go and replace those in the 408 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,160 market. 409 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,160 We are currently planning to do that. 410 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,840 I mean that's what the RFPs are intended to do. 411 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,840 So-- 412 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,040 >> And this replacement cost is the 2.6 million you're talking about. 413 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:47,640 >> That would be for the-- the 2.6 million is for the 30 megawatts, the lower of 30 or 414 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,640 actual. 415 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,720 If we were to take all of them, it would be a larger number. 416 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,720 >> Of savings. 417 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,280 >> The savings would be, I'm sorry, probably around five and a half million dollars. 418 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,960 >> Now, you spent more time on two than three. 419 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,880 Is that because of the prior perception of-- 420 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,880 >> Yes. 421 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,960 >> We want it to be the physical energy that's-- 422 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:09,960 >> Correct. 423 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,960 >> Okay. 424 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,880 >> I've spent more time on number two because it's kind of a compromise-- 425 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:13,880 >> Right. 426 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:21,520 >> Between one and three, you know, DME, we're agnostic about this. 427 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,520 This is-- we're seeking your direction. 428 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:29,040 This is strictly a decision to be made by the PUB and council. 429 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,480 We can do whatever you decide to do. 430 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:38,200 >> Does option three include the two point-- would you have an option three, the 2.6 million 431 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,680 dollars that you have avoided in option two? 432 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:49,320 >> Yes, it would be 2.6 million plus the value of those energy credits that are above the 433 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,320 30 megawatts. 434 00:27:50,320 --> 00:28:03,720 So that additional 30 megawatts which is about-- let me go back here. 435 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:10,000 Here you can see it's about 262,800 recs per year is that additional 30. 436 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,720 They're about two dollars apiece. 437 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:21,880 So for three years, you know, you're talking about-- what's that? 438 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:30,880 About 1.5 million for three years of rec value on top of the 2.6. 439 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,320 >> So I'm a rate payer. 440 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,400 Let's pretend I'm a rate payer. 441 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:42,200 Tell me why option three is-- the view point I have now is option three would cost more 442 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,200 than option two. 443 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,200 >> No. 444 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,200 No. 445 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,200 No. 446 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,200 Other way. 447 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,200 Other way. 448 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,840 >> So it's 2.6 million of savings in option two, an additional 1.5 million of savings 449 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,700 associated with option three. 450 00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:56,760 >> So option three is the least cost for the rate payer. 451 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,760 Is that true? 452 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,760 >> Correct. 453 00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,760 >> Yes. 454 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:08,360 >> But again, I need to point out that, you know, currently as we manage the position, 455 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:15,480 we're managing it from the premise of there are no credits that we're assuming from Whitetail. 456 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:21,800 So in our projections, in our budgets that we've provided to you for consideration, we 457 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,040 have not included this potential savings. 458 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:34,000 Well, from my perspective, I would go with option three because recs are real. 459 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,000 They are. 460 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,000 They're real energy. 461 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,120 But I would also be happy with two. 462 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,640 But I think we need to count it. 463 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,160 It is something that we are receiving and we should count it towards our renewable. 464 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,160 >> Yeah. 465 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,160 I would agree. 466 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,160 My main question was whether this was just a sort of a counting trick to make us look 467 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:58,800 good or whether it actually achieved the goals that we've established, you know, as something 468 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,200 that's a priority for the city. 469 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:10,160 So if this, if the recs represent actual renewables, I mean, I think that answers that question. 470 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,140 Three seems to be, makes sense. 471 00:30:13,140 --> 00:30:18,800 >> And I agree with Susan and Karen on this, that we should use all the credits we're paying 472 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:25,320 for, particularly given your representation that those are legitimate, they're regulated 473 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,160 or caught approved. 474 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,040 We're not going out on a limb or a tangent to call something renewable that is not. 475 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,520 It has to be generated from a renewable standpoint to generate that credit. 476 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:42,360 So I'm very comfortable with using all the credits that we've paid for toward our goal 477 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,240 of going to 100% renewable. 478 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,200 >> And to Karen's point, it's not an accounting trick. 479 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,200 It's really there. 480 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,200 So. 481 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,440 >> I have a question. 482 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:58,320 Do you have the, can you put up the document from enterprise risk that was in our backup 483 00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,320 material? 484 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,320 >> Let's see. 485 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,640 >> I just have a couple of questions. 486 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,520 >> Actually don't, I apologize, I don't have that on the backup, the slide, but I'm very 487 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,520 familiar with the letter. 488 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:16,040 I spent a lot of time discussing this with enterprise risk because obviously we wanted 489 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,920 their consent before we made any type of recommendation. 490 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,000 Thanks. 491 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,000 I've got it now. 492 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,000 >> Okay. 493 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,000 >> I just don't have it up here. 494 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,240 >> My question is, first of all, what is the definition of off take? 495 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,960 >> Off take is a term of art in the business. 496 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,440 It means the amount of energy that we're purchasing. 497 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,520 So it's, these are called off take agreements or power purchase agreements. 498 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,520 >> Okay. 499 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,520 >> The other question I had was, if, I'll just read this, with regard to White Tail Wolf 500 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:53,640 Ridge, upon review of your documentation we believe it may be possible to classify a portion 501 00:31:53,640 --> 00:32:00,200 of the off take from the White Tail Wolf Ridge contract with NextEra as renewable energy 502 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:06,640 subject to A, the ability to trace the energy production from the specific renewable generation 503 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:14,480 resource and the renewable energy credits and B, a dent in renewable energy formal operational 504 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,000 process as proposed earlier in this letter that supports such a classification which 505 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,960 is what we're talking about now. 506 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:29,520 So my question is, do we have, is there the ability to trace the energy production from 507 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,480 the specific renewable generation resource? 508 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,120 >> Yes, sir. 509 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,200 It is documented. 510 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:42,560 This is that one chart I was showing you here. 511 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:52,040 This is the physical output of energy from the resource as reported to ERCOT by NextEra. 512 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:58,520 So yes, it is physically possible to track this after the fact. 513 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:06,320 And for each of these, in our account for that 60 megawatts, the rec actually is like 514 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:12,520 a serial number on it that's associated with a certain time period and the specific resource 515 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:18,200 that it came from so that things don't get double counted in the marketplace. 516 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:28,440 >> Well, I as well support option three and because of the obvious benefits not only to 517 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:39,080 the rate payer, but to the incredible idea that Denton is actually going to 100% renewable 518 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:44,600 in this amount of time when other cities are struggling to get a fraction of this within 519 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,440 the next 15 years. 520 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,440 So thanks. 521 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,280 >> And I know we don't have action. 522 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,280 >> No. 523 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:58,320 I guess I'm hearing consensus from everyone. 524 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,260 I guess it would be beneficial for me when I speak to the council tomorrow about this 525 00:34:03,260 --> 00:34:10,760 to know if all members of the PUB are in agreement that option three is the right option or whether 526 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,520 there's others that would like to go with option two or option one. 527 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,520 >> Option three sounds good. 528 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,520 >> Thank you. 529 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,520 >> Got your consensus. 530 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,520 All right. 531 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:30,440 So now we're on to items for individual consideration. 532 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:36,640 The first items are approval of the December 5th, the tour at the deck and the December 533 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,640 9th meeting minutes. 534 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,040 >> I'll move approval of both. 535 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,040 >> I'll second. 536 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,040 >> All in favor say aye. 537 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,040 >> Aye. 538 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,520 >> All right. 539 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:56,320 >> Second, consider recommending the adoption of an ordinance of the city of Denton, a contract 540 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,840 with archer western construction LLC for the construction of Hickory Creek detention facility 541 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,240 and Pecan Creek West peak flow pump stations for the amount of $14,458,000. 542 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:10,520 >> Good morning again, Frank Pugsley, water and waste water utilities director. 543 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:18,120 I'd like to briefly discuss the Hickory Creek detention facility and West peak flow pump 544 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,920 station in this construction project. 545 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:26,240 The Hickory Creek detention facility is located off of country club road in the Hickory Creek 546 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:33,280 system between country club and 377 and it is to be a 3.5 million gallon ground storage 547 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:40,280 tank to hold waste water peak flow during peak flow rainfall events and that will temporarily 548 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,360 reduce the amount of waste water traveling down the Hickory Creek system to the Hickory 549 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:52,160 Creek lift station and it involves the construction of a diversion pump station, a new manhole 550 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:59,560 and weir structure to access the existing interceptor, storage tank, odor control, cleaning 551 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,800 equipment to help us clean that tank after we let the waste water flow out after the 552 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:09,080 peak flow events and general access roadways and appurtenances to it. 553 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:14,280 Additionally, as part of this project, we are to construct a waste water peak flow 554 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,120 pump station at the actual waste water plant at Pecan Creek and this will intercept peak 555 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,280 flows coming from the north and west of the plant. 556 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:29,800 We have an existing peak flow facility that is on the state school interceptor to divert 557 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,600 flows from the south. 558 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,120 This pump station will pick up flows coming in and pump them to another on-site basin 559 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:44,920 for temporary storage during peak flow events to help the plant accommodate large flow variations. 560 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:52,360 We submitted or issued a request for proposal for this project, received two proposals, 561 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,280 one from Oscar Renda Contracting and the second one from Archer Western. 562 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,120 Archer Western was selected as the best value for the city. 563 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,440 They were approximately $2 million lower than Oscar Renda so not only were they lower in 564 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,840 price but they're also the best value as far as our anticipated performance. 565 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:15,000 They're currently working on two projects locally at the Lake Louisville water treatment 566 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,960 plant and we're confident in their abilities to do this project. 567 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:26,320 With that, we recommend awarding the contract to Archer Western, actually I think that alternate 568 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,520 A2, I'm not sure, I think that was a leftover artifact from another project so I apologize 569 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:39,200 for that but award the contract to Archer Western in the amount of $14,458,000 and just 570 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,560 in general here's a map of the two locations of the facility, the Hickory Creek Detention 571 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,760 Facility being in the southern portion of town on the Hickory Creek system and then 572 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,680 at the Pecan Creek Water Recovery Facility there. 573 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,280 With that I'll entertain any questions you might have about the project. 574 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:03,760 Go ahead, you don't have a question? 575 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,440 When I'm looking at the evaluation score sheet, I know that you said that they're already 576 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,520 working at Lake Louisville and that's why they scored higher. 577 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:20,640 Oscar Renda didn't score very high, do we have experience with that or is it-- I know 578 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,480 the price was $2 million lower so obviously you're going to save $2 million. 579 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,320 I believe that we don't really have much recent relevant experience with Archer Western at 580 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,400 the city, the reason why they scored lower. 581 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,400 Okay. 582 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,120 I had a question. 583 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,080 Oscar Renda, yes. 584 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,080 Oscar, right. 585 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:43,440 Oh sorry, Oscar Renda, I'm sorry, we don't have a recent experience with Oscar Renda. 586 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,440 Okay. 587 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:50,920 Just a clarification, wastewater is not the same as sewage, correct? 588 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:51,920 One and the same, yes. 589 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,920 They are the same. 590 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,360 Yes, I'm using those interchangeably. 591 00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:00,840 All right, so wastewater is also runoff from storms? 592 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,960 In the wastewater collection system, we do have infiltration that occurs in storm events 593 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,680 and flow and infiltration. 594 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,360 We can't have a completely impervious pipe network. 595 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,480 We do our best to repair areas where we do find I&I, inflow and infiltration, but peak 596 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:22,720 storm events do cause a very large peak flow in the wastewater system for any utility. 597 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:27,080 When we do design work, we require the system to actually be designed for a four to one 598 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,240 ratio from average daily to peak storm event. 599 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:31,240 Okay. 600 00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:39,720 So as part of the reason for this, just curious, the forecast for what's going to happen climate-wise 601 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:47,080 in this area in the next 40 to 70 years, I think it is, is that rain events will become 602 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:54,160 scarcer, but when they happen, the amounts will be deluge-like as we've already seen. 603 00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:02,240 Will this facility help in the control of flooding in that respect as well? 604 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:06,800 It will definitely help control the amount of wastewater that our plant has to treat 605 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,400 on a peak flow basis. 606 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,160 I neglected to mention this facility is designed to be expandable. 607 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:17,120 We're putting in one three and a half million gallon tank today with the anticipation where 608 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,720 we may install a second tank up to another three and a half million as flows grow in 609 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:22,720 that basin. 610 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:27,360 The Hickory Creek basin and the interceptor is fairly old. 611 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,400 We are actively working on projects to replace segments of it. 612 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,820 It's largely in floodplain, so we do have a lot of I&I in that system, so we will actually 613 00:40:36,820 --> 00:40:41,360 be either lining or replacing a large quantity of that line in the coming years to help with 614 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,440 that, but yes, this will definitely help with those peak flow events from our large rain 615 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,440 events. 616 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:51,400 It will help to just kind of divert a portion of that flow so that the wastewater plant 617 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,960 doesn't have to accommodate those peaks and that will help us defer expansions to the 618 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,880 wastewater plant in the future as well. 619 00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,160 Thank you. 620 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,800 So there's a lot of home construction going on in that area. 621 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,880 Does the increase in impermeable surface affect your runoff at all? 622 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,000 Is that taken into account? 623 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:16,080 We don't take that into account from the wastewater side, but definitely from a stormwater perspective. 624 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,800 I'm not completely versed on the building codes for stormwater, but that's why there 625 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:27,320 is additional detention requirements these days for areas with new impervious pavement. 626 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:34,280 Right now you're getting land that's absorbing the water is being transferred to homes that 627 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,360 don't absorb water. 628 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,160 Very true. 629 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,800 I'm not completely versed on that. 630 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,480 I'm not completely versed on that. 631 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,280 I'm not completely versed on that. 632 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,280 I'm not completely versed on that. 633 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,200 I'm not completely versed on that. 634 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,720 I'm not completely versed on that. 635 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,520 I'm not completely versed on that. 636 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,640 I'm not completely versed on that. 637 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,640 I'm not completely versed on that. 638 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,640 I'm not completely versed on that. 639 00:42:09,640 --> 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not completely versed on that. 828 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 829 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 830 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 831 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 832 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 833 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 834 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 835 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 836 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 837 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 838 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 839 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 840 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 841 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 842 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 843 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 844 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 845 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 846 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 847 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 848 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 849 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 850 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 851 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 852 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 853 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 854 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 855 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 856 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 857 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 858 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 859 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 860 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 861 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 862 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 863 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 864 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 865 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 866 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 867 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 868 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 869 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 870 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 871 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 872 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 873 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 874 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 875 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 876 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 877 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 878 00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 879 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 880 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 881 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 882 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 883 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 884 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 885 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 886 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 887 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 888 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 889 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 890 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 891 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 892 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 893 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 894 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 895 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 896 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 897 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 898 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 899 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 900 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 901 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 902 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 903 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 904 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 905 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 906 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 907 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 908 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 909 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 910 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 911 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 912 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 913 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 914 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 915 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 916 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 917 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 918 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 919 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 920 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 921 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 922 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 923 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 924 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 925 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 926 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 927 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 928 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 929 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 930 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 931 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 932 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 933 00:56:50,320 --> 00:57:03,320 I'm not completely versed on that. 934 00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,320 If that's that should be documented. 935 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,320 And anything that you learn from how it failed, 936 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,320 not how quickly it was repaired and service restored. 937 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,320 I'm not looking at it from that point of view. 938 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,320 Although you could do that. 939 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,320 Do similar conditions exist within the system 940 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,320 that we should be paying more attention to? 941 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,320 To avert a future catastrophic failure. 942 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,320 These are the kinds of things that it would benefit 943 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,320 the utility to probably document in my opinion. 944 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,320 Sure, and we've documented from what we can tell 945 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,320 what happened in this area with the pump that actually did fail. 946 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,320 We are actually also in the process of doing 947 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,320 an overall emergency response plan that can allow us 948 00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,320 to if those types of events happen. 949 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,320 And with doing that we're doing a condition assessment 950 00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,320 of all of our lift stations so that we can see 951 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,320 if we have other issues in the actual 952 00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,320 in the lift station program that we can see. 953 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,320 So at this time we're aware of some areas that have concerns. 954 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,320 But this is a very large lift station. 955 00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,320 It's our largest in our system. 956 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,320 So the only thing that we're moving forward with right now 957 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,320 is doing an overall condition assessment of all of the lift stations 958 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:25,320 we have in our system. 959 00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,320 Any other questions? 960 00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,320 Thank you. 961 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,320 And then the next item on the green tree estates. 962 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,320 That has been an ongoing issue. 963 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,320 The city manager's office, water and wastewater utilities, 964 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,320 whole host of departments are working with that neighborhood. 965 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,320 So council gave staff direction back on December the 10th, 966 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,320 so the day after the PV meeting. 967 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,320 And so we wanted to provide you with all the information 968 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,320 that's been given to the community, that community 969 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,320 along with presentations that have been made. 970 00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,320 And so we're working now with those residents 971 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,320 to move the effort forward. 972 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,320 We anticipate bringing a work session to council 973 00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:13,320 at their first meeting in February to, I believe February 4th, 974 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,320 to give them an update on where things are based on the direction 975 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,320 they gave us back on December the 10th. 976 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,320 So just wanted to provide everything for the PVB 977 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,320 so you could have everything at certainly your convenience 978 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,320 and it's posted there online for transparency purposes. 979 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,320 One question about that. 980 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,320 In reading the documentation about this episode, 981 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,320 and I saw it on TV and so forth, 982 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,320 and a lot of information flying around out there, 983 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,320 I learned that there are nine other neighborhoods 984 00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,320 in 300 to 400 additional lots 985 00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,320 that are potentially in the same situation. 986 00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:54,320 So I would suggest that it might be wise for the utility department 987 00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:59,320 to make some kind of preliminary contingency plan 988 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,320 for each of those nine neighborhoods. 989 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,320 That if you have a repeat of this, 990 01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,320 where you've got to provide bottled water 991 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,320 to those nine neighborhoods on short notice, 992 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,320 how do you do that? 993 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:22,320 I'm not suggesting that you have to detail the design now, 994 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:28,320 but have some kind of a preliminary approach on paper in hand 995 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,320 so that you know we have to do something here 996 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,320 in this neighborhood, this is the way we're going to approach it. 997 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,320 Thank you. 998 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,320 So any questions on those items? 999 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,320 In relation to your future agendas, 1000 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,320 there is an item that was shown for today, 1001 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,320 the landfill expansion permit. 1002 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,320 That should have actually been included as an ACM update 1003 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,320 to give you all pieces of information 1004 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,320 related to the status of the permit 1005 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,320 and the timing of the permit. 1006 01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,320 We're currently in the public comment phase 1007 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,320 with the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality. 1008 01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,320 So we included that in the Friday packet for council, 1009 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,320 and we'll make sure that this is sent to you today 1010 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,320 so you're aware of that. 1011 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:17,320 And then we'll include that in an upcoming PUB meeting 1012 01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,320 just as an ACM update. 1013 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:26,320 Again, just looking at the future agenda items, 1014 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,320 where it shows an update on the declaration of emergency 1015 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,320 for Old Alton lift station. 1016 01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,320 That actually is the Hickory Creek item. 1017 01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,320 It's just on Old Alton Road, 1018 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,320 so we sort of use those terms interchangeably, 1019 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,320 so you've been given that information, 1020 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,320 and then we'll be coming back to you in late January 1021 01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:47,320 for the solid waste management study or strategy, 1022 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,320 and then the water and wastewater rate study 1023 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:56,320 upcoming in February, so any questions? 1024 01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:06,320 -All right, any new business items? 1025 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,320 I guess it's just an attachment, 1026 01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,320 so we know it's going to be on the future board meeting. 1027 01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,320 All right, concluding items, 1028 01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,320 is there anything that a board member wishes to have 1029 01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,320 on a future agenda? 1030 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,320 Okay, hearing none, do we have a motion to adjourn? 1031 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,320 -I move we adjourn. 1032 01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,320 -All right, adjourned.