Good morning everyone. We have a quorum of seven now so we
'll call the economic bill
park before meeting for Wednesday, June 10th.
I just ordered at 1110 and I don't see any members of the
public during that portion
so we'll go to items for consideration which would be the
first one IMA, EDP 26-014, consider approval of the minutes
from April 15th,
26th economic bill of partnership board retreat and special
follow meeting.
I think everybody received the minutes and the email. Were
there any questions related to that?
Move approval.
Got a motion from Rick. Second?
Second.
All in favor say aye.
Aye.
I'll go to the same sign. Motion carries.
Item B is EDP 26-015, consider making a recommendation to
the city council of the adoption of the city of January
chapter 312 tax abatement policy.
Good morning. My name is Erica Sullivan. I'm the economic
development program administrator here at the city and I'll
be giving a presentation on the update to our tax abatement
policy.
So we'll begin with an overview and history, talk about the
tax abatement considerations and then we'll go over those
changes.
We have a number of new members so I thought I'd give a
brief overview of tax abatements.
So chapter 312 of the Texas tax code is the governing
statutory. The tax abatement is falling under the four new
and expanded distances.
There's a minimum capital investment required for our tax
abatement policy. It's five million.
That's exclusive to the tax abatement policy and not the
Texas 380 policy.
The chapter 380 policy we have, we wanted to be able to
incentivize human capital. So a lot of times our technology
members don't have that type of capital.
So we can have those grants via chapter 3. So the property
owner receives an exemption of all or a portion of their
property taxes and that's done through the central apprais
al discrete on their tax bill.
And as for all of our incentives, we perform an economic
analysis to determine the project costs and the ROI. And
then one thing to note is that it's the incremental so only
new, but state law we can't incentivize what's already
existing under chapter 312.
So new real property and new business. That could be two
existing buildings or brand new buildings.
So the policy history, our first policy was adopted in 1989
. We included sustainability incentives in 2010 and 12.
And then we expanded the incentive to include chapter 380
of the local government code that gives cities a
opportunity to give grants and loans in 2014 and then in 18
we address retail language, adding some definitions for
sales and use tax for construction,
and then we incorporated the investment fund in our base
aircraft incentive all under one umbrella. And then 2020 we
didn't have any significant changes because we were working
on the strategic plan and wanted to incorporate that.
So the plan was adopted in 2021. And then the policies were
separated into two policies the tax payment policy and the
chapter 380 policy at that time, and we aligned them with
the city's core values and the strategic plan.
The city plan has five guiding principles that we use to
frame economic development that's core resiliency, future
focused, inclusive growth, entrepreneurial spirit and
cultural vitality.
And there are also three major goals of the plan to
accelerate recovery at that time, foster growth and
strengthen community inclusion.
So the last update that was performed in 2024, we rest
ructured our strategic growth areas or SGA's under all of
our public benefit factors under those. So we have
connectivity, creative, sustainable and competitive.
So we put all of our criterion under those in order to
better align it with the plan, but I think that was found
to be confusing.
And then we also added this board recommended adding a
comprehensive benefit package consideration. We also
incorporated underwriting in 2024 after the Fine Arts
Theater.
So some considerations again, chapter 3 file the tax code
is what governs it and state law requires us to update our
policy every two years in order to be eligible to grant tax
abatements.
So they're only effective for those two years and then they
expire and then during that period, if you want to amend it
, you need to have three quarter vote or super majority in
order to do that.
And that's part of the reason we chose in 2022 to separate
the tax statement policy and the chapter 3 policy so we
could update the chapter 3 policy in that interim without
super majority.
And then also for times like this, where we had a board
retreat, it gives us a little bit more time to work on the
chapter 3 policy in order to incorporate some of those
things in that.
So it I think it benefited us by supporting the two
policies. And then the chapter requires the governing body
to hold a public hearing when adopting the tax abatement
policy.
Debt county is another consideration. They generally prefer
to participate in tax payments with cities, but they have
done a couple chapter 3, 8, 1, which is the county
equivalent of chapter 3 here recently. So we're encouraged
by that.
So we'll go into the proposed changes to the policy. One of
the considerations that we added was to address redevelop
ment. That was one of the items that this board had
recommended in the retreat.
And we want to also encourage redevelopment in the downtown
areas of the downtown tours. And then we also want to
encourage projects that were identified or support the new
master plan was approved in September of 24. I designed
downtown plan.
And then we have some general administrative cleanups of
definitions and items not needed. We're trying to
streamline the policy. So it's not as daunting.
So a lot of the definitions, for example, could be handled
in the agreement or were specific to a particular project.
So we cleaned some of that up and then we updated the
census maps with the qualified census tracks.
We also align our policies to the city core values.
So you can see here the current values and then the
proposed that are aligned with the cities. So the new ones
are in blue there collaboration, quality service and
strategic focus.
And then we also want to highlight the changes to the
current policies dealing with our targeted industry sectors
. So our current industry sectors are aligned with our
strategic growth areas. And this is taken directly from our
strategic plan.
And these are organized by NAICS, the industry codes. And
again, there are creativity, creativity, sustainability and
competitiveness. Those were the four areas that the NAICS
were organized under.
And a lot of businesses and even our new staff found this
confusing. So we are proposing, especially with our new
marketing efforts, because we, you know, the Chamber and
the City have taken on different roles.
Chamber took on business retention. We took on marketing.
So we are proposing aviation, aerospace, you see here on
the right, drone and transportation, mobility, advanced
manufacturing, biomedical, bioscience, like the Vardis,
information technology, renewable energy, research and
development.
That was another item that came out of the board retreat.
Supply chain and logistics, because where we're located,
that's ideal at the apex of Dallas-Fort Worth.
And then we also want to, you know, we have our own
municipal electric utility and other utilities. So we want
to incorporate significant consumers and municipal
utilities.
And then our unmanned aircraft systems, UA Aztec ecosystem
that we want to support.
So here is a change and some considerations that we looked
at as a group. So again, the minimum five million capital
investment for the tax evasion policy.
Another item is that incentives may not be considered if a
permit has been issued or if instruction has been issued.
This addresses the but for with the business comp up for
incentives.
And then we added the targeted industry sectors that we
just reviewed on that last slide. So you can look at them
clearly. Just a quick update on the 2026 qualified census
tracks. We added the new map with that.
And we also made a change here. Any minimum job related
thresholds will be at least 75% of the jobs in the
application. Our previous was 90, but that's a little hard
to achieve for some of our businesses.
And then we also have a minimum threshold value performed.
This is our timely completion date in 24 months.
And so if they're constructing a new facility or expanding,
they have to do that within that in order to be eligible
for the incentive.
And then the minimum threshold at least 75% of the value
for new projects and 50% for expansion projects. We found
that in span, expansion projects, expanding the same amount
were not valued the same amount unless they changed the use
.
Increases higher wage knowledge based jobs. So we have an
average of 65,000 for all jobs for 35,000.
25% maintenance, 75,000. We wanted to see if that was still
something that we wanted to support and then pays a living
wage for all new employees in accordance with the living
wage calculator for NIC.
So these are some things to consider. The options and
recommendations for this board. The board can recommend
proposed changes to the tax statement policy.
The board can make recommendations to include or exclude
items to provide other direction. And then I wanted to
highlight the next step. So the tax abatement policy is
right now scheduled to be considered on July 14.
The Chapter 380 policy would go to EDP in July or August.
And then the Chapter 380 policy by council in August or
September.
I'm happy to entertain questions.
Thomas, anything?
Well, actually I have one quick question. On the
construction, is that the start construction within 24
months of finished construction?
The final completion would be to finish. And that's
typically what we allow in our policy. And it's December of
that year. So it's not necessarily exactly 24 months, but
typically it's two years after it's developed, but it's
December 31.
So it's more?
A little bit. It depends when it falls exactly.
Because my only concern is if you can't get an application
in your permit period, it could take you 12 months. You're
planning. And then 12 months in this big project could take
a little longer.
So that would be the only thing I think that we're going to
be here. Probably if you could already be in your building
permit. So I think there might need to just think about
that timeline because I could put some people.
30 months, 36 months.
That may be a better way that maybe better language. I'll
say that we had two businesses that we had to deny
incentives because they were yet applied for commercial
alterations permit.
And so I think we always refer back to the but for clause
and Scott or Eric, you may want to review that real quick
because that's what I think.
Please talk about this item here. The minimum threshold tax
value within 24 months. We're proposed changing that to 30.
And then the but for incentives. But you may leave that up
here. The second item, it says may not be considered a
billing permit for new construction has been issued.
That's not being added. That's already in existing. In
existing. But these are things I want you to consider.
So that's why they're up on this. So there's two things of
both of those. First, let's finish on this. I think Lucy's
comment on that 24 months after the building permits been
issued just to make sure because that's real.
Yeah.
And then on the I think we need to be clear because we kind
of said two different things there on building permit has
been issued or applied for. So it's been applied for. I
think you still should be eligible for incentives.
But once it's been issued, I kind of I see both sides of
that because somebody could spend the time saying, okay, we
're on a tight timeline.
Like, we're trying to get this thing going. We're going to
go ahead and move forward. I've seen companies move forward
with permits in two cities actually at the same time,
because whatever they're going to spend is worth and then
see where they end up.
Then on the flip side of that, I also see if they already
got a building permit, why are we going to give them an
incentive because they're coming here anyway. So that's
kind of two sided going there.
But because of the timeline, it takes to get projects done
entitled, especially if they're zoning and planning.
So, I'd like to hear other people's opinion on that because
I'm kind of on the fence. Right? Like, why do we give
incentives if they're already got a building permit? But
then on the flip side of that, it takes a long time.
I don't really like to hear. There is a caveat in this
consideration too that's not listed here. So if they've
already applied to us and later they get the permit, that's
okay. We have to have an application in the house.
Before they get their permit. They could be in the process
of getting their permit, make application, but don't have
it received it yet.
That's currently what it is. But we've actually had some
that have received a permit and have applied. It's rare,
but it happens. So it's just a consideration.
And as far as the 24 month time of completion, I think
Tyson's done that. They constricted right after COVID. So
that was part of the reason.
So back to the permit. She said, but for what's that cause?
When it happened, but for incentives, it's more of a legal
case to you that we talk about.
So, and Scott can chime in. So you don't want to give an un
constitutional gift. You want it to be a public benefit. You
don't want to give it if they would come anyway.
I have the idea, but for incentives, we didn't give it to
them. They come anyway. So, and this is probably just an
education for me.
If someone had a permit and then they presented a new
opportunity, do they amend the permit or do they have to go
through and get a new permit?
If the scope of the work expands because of a new project,
then they have an opportunity to do. So let's say a
business is growing and they're going to do X.
But now they have an opportunity to get a new contract with
a new customer. And then now they need to increase the
scope.
Is there an amendment process through the planning
development that we offer or do they have to start that
entire process over to get a new permit?
I can't see for development services permit process. I can
tell you how we would apply our policy.
Scott, I know you work with other departments. I don't know
if you would be involved.
I think there's a flow chart to that somewhere. I think it
says if it's a percentage of change or don't quote me on
this, but I think if it's more than 50% of buildings.
I mean, there's a flow chart out there, so it's a
complicated answer. So yes and no. So I guess my question
would be if they have to do this additional scope of work,
it falls under the existing permit.
But they're not eligible to come to us at that point for an
incentive to do that job or to do that work expansion.
If a project were to expand, normally an expansion is
eligible. If they got their application in before, then
they would still be eligible.
But in this case, they don't because the work is already
ongoing and now it's changed.
It is different for existing businesses versus the ones
that are moving here, recruitment projects. So that's how
we measure. We put this, we apply incentives that get
considered if they apply for building permit for new
businesses coming in.
Existing businesses are exempt in the policy. That's the
clause. It's not completely, but it is exempt in the policy
. So if you're already here and you're expanding your exempt
from the new permit. So yes, they would be able to.
I guess if someone's coming in new here and they're not
existing and then that happens, then they would just be out
of work.
They're new and then they chose to expand now. But we would
tell them that the next expansion would be happy to work
with them on that. We can still be ambassadors to help them
through that process.
It's normally too restrictive because you know, if you're
trying to jumpstart your $5 million investment, you can't
get any access to that.
I got a project right now we're working on it therefore,
and you know, put preliminary budgets together on it, but
we don't know our final budgets until we get through the
city. So we don't know if it's going to require incentives
or not.
So the good thing is, it seems like we can move incentives
through fairly quickly if we choose to. So that's kind of
another little catch 22 because I think you met with mass
code services, right?
And so it's kind of like, I don't know if we're going to
need incentives because we don't know what engineering is
going to require. You know what level of offsite or
whatever it may be.
You know, sometimes you don't know that until you get into
that process. So that's sometimes kind of a catch 22. You
might have a budget for your project and then all of a
sudden you got to pull the water line from somewhere and
you don't know that.
So, but I guess the catch to that is you could go okay I'm
not picking my permit may be approved, but I'm not picking
it up to let it be issued I'm going to set there for six
months, while I go through my sentence and I guess that's
probably where we can educate people applying for
incentives, although it may be approved.
It's not issued until you actually go pay for it and pick
it up.
I think they're saying you can't apply for it.
That's why I asked the question Jeremy on that is, is it
submitted for building permits, or is it issued.
Okay, an issue doesn't, you don't have your building permit
to you've paid your impact fees, and all that so you could
leave it sitting there approved.
And then apply. Yes.
They said you had to apply with us first.
Regardless of application or the permits been issued but
you applied in your eligible, but it's issued to be clear.
You can apply while you're in the process. So I guess it's
just us educating people like don't pick that permit up yet
. Whenever we meet with them and they are talking about
incentives I encourage them to apply early in process to
maintain your eligible.
Yeah, so I think we're okay there we just need to make sure
we do not go pay for that permit.
We do welcome through we all start to move semester
incentive application as soon as possible and we work with
them and they need to update their numbers throughout the
process we can do that, because it's a negotiation process
but we want to make sure that we do that before.
And also because our approval process takes so long, we go
through, you can be and then no actually see council
procession, you can be the back to the city council.
So we definitely stress that they need to turn in their
installation.
So the minimum five million capital investment was it
previously, you say five million.
The only thing that's changed is here it just want you to
consider it's one thing considered lowering it for example.
There's only about one incentive I can think of it was a 3
80 that we gave and that was so fun. So we gave them.
I think it was a little over 2 million.
And then again they were, it was a chapter three, he said
we were a lot.
Does you said that is a certain aspects of this don't apply
to existing business or none of this applies to existing
businesses.
We call out specifically for this second item. If a permit
has been issued and then we call out it excludes expanding
businesses.
So, but on the first one the five million capital
investment doesn't apply for existing business.
It's for all the only time it doesn't apply to when we're
using policy to be clear trying to find the exact language.
But is this something we looked at we looked at whatever
cities were doing to and just something for conversation.
The city of our cities of our size are usually higher.
Pretty comfortable with that.
If not, I want to say the motion to approve just to make
sure I'm mostly approved changing the 24 months from the
time.
Building from issue.
Correct.
And I have that did you make that motion change?
Yes, I'll make that motion.
So we have a motion to accept as written with that change
to the 24 months from after permit issue.
Second.
All in favor say aye.
Aye.
Motion to approve.
We move to the work session called item A, 26 dash zero one
six received report discussion regarding what plan goals
partnership board retreat.
Well, good morning everybody.
So, as you recall, in March of this year, we hold our first
boarders read.
We should pick with opportunity strategies posted the event
and we're two day retreat and she said that she was a great
retreat and I also believe it was a great retreat.
We had a lot of great goals that were accomplished.
The board of six working goals and identify tasks to align
with the overall goals of the city.
As you recall, we broke out into groups to identify the
goals and the purpose of this discussion is to collectively
review all the goals listed on the sheet.
That's on your desk.
And to ensure that the goals are feasible and to address
any other organizations that may be working on similar
calls, since we broke out in the different committees, we
may have knowledge of who else is working on other
objectives.
And so I want to make sure that we're all working on this
together and we're checking off the boxes.
Our goal is to share this with city council during an
upcoming work session, either in July or August.
And this won't be the primary focus will be general
economic development update, but we will share this work
plan.
So, as a disclaimer, we're here to innovate if something
has been done in the past, it doesn't mean we have to
continue down the same avenue. And there's multiple ways to
accomplish some of these goals.
So it doesn't have to just be one goal that we work on. We
can do this in multiple ways.
So that's my goal here. I don't have a presentation.
Alicia said that we probably need an hour for this. I don't
know how much time do we have right now. Let's see.
Oh, we have about maybe three minutes. Unless you want to
go over a little bit. Chair, what do you think?
I mean, when would that be another better time? I mean, if
we don't have a bunch on the agenda now might not be a bad
idea.
Unless you think you would be more productive to have
members here.
That's kind of my only that's I know Amy was really
involved with this and then it's a bright feedback as well.
I mean, you don't think that it would be better to have
more of a committee that's just the bare minimum form.
Yes. Yeah. Why don't we just put it on? Questions now. Yeah
. If you have questions, we can certainly address.
We go over it. But I think it would make sense to do a more
formal presentation when more of the board can be here.
Okay, sounds good. Do you want to work through them just in
case? And I can always go over these individually with
Brian and Amy, whoever else may not be here.
Very to address their concerns is the goal that consultant
she wants to make this visually appealing.
And so we listen this back to her pretty quickly so she can
also pay sort of on a time.
And and the presentation, the City Council is coming up in
July. We have to post like a week or so. There's still time
.
I can be with them individually, too. Okay. So the first
goal on your first development to establish a task force.
The stakeholders to cultivate resilient, future ready
talent under strategies.
This group said under one point one, create a task force by
building relationships that include universities, ISDs,
employers and nonprofits.
That includes CTE included in task force and United Way, DC
W, SLT, the young professionals group to build soft skills
and problem solving.
And then the third template from the city of Fort Worth and
TIA. Is there anyone that served on this committee here
that maybe want to comment?
Well, Jamie may serve on this one. I feel like Kim, you did
too. Maybe Jason. One point.
What is DCW SLT? That's a great question. So remember how
everyone wrote down notes and with note cards to that's
what the consultant put down on this list.
And so she wasn't aware of what that is. But Jamie, I
believe you may have served. No, Christina Davis on our
team. She just recently retired.
This is a group put on with United Way and Workforce
Solutions, the Chamber and other organizations.
They meet monthly or quarterly.
So she was primarily handed in that task group. I think
they've kind of been on the back burner, but I think there
's probably an opportunity to work with them to improve
whatever their goals are.
Great. And we don't want to recreate the wheels. So if that
's something that's already happening, maybe we can just
have some kind of conduit for information with that.
And then the young professionals, is that the current young
professionals group at the Chamber?
I believe that's what they're referring to. Yes. And then
can we get a copy of the template from the city of Fort
Worth and whatever TIA is?
Yes. So we can see that. Okay. I don't know what TIA is.
The city of Fort Worth is the Mayor's Fort Worth Council on
our education and workforce development.
And yes, and then we were put together. But yes, I can get
that template of how they do it. They do quarterly meetings
. So I'll grab that.
Just to see what that is. We've got more information as we
try to push out what the steps might be for making sure we
're not duplicating.
And then let's keep going. And can we just raise our hand
if we have questions or comments?
Sure. This is an important discussion. Yes. Feel free. I
was going to take it out of the way of what you all said. I
would tag the Chamber under young professionals only
because there's lots of young professional groups in the
community.
So if you want one strategic partner, we're happy to be
there. Okay.
[inaudible]
I mean, I just have a question as to whether, more
specifically, and I would think the county.
They may already serve on that committee. I haven't had an
opportunity to make it out until the meeting on my team.
She's on vacation now. She usually attends. And then Jamie,
I think you've attended a meeting, right?
I have not attended one. They were quarterly. And since
Christina was tired, I have not attended one yet. But I am
on the email.
I was reviewing my notes at the retreat and when she was
giving the Georgia example, she has TIA's targeted industry
analysis.
No, I wasn't that. Didn't County workforce success
leadership team. Thank you.
I think I'm going to need more words. So a lot of these
beings I've said it over the past 20 years for workforce
development. It is like no disrespect, but it is the United
way.
Texas work for all the one and they're just giving you a
bunch of stats, right? And I get more really quickly and
leave. I think we need people like industry in town saying
this is how we these are the skills that we need from
people.
And with T. W. and Texas and didn't ask the saying this is
the curriculum. We need you to write for this. I know the
president of you and teeth. I had dinner with him a few
months ago and that was one of his main questions.
What programs do we need to be standing up to actually have
the skills? Because people walk in my office with college
education. They don't know. They're not ready.
You know, they don't they don't have to ask us specifically
those. What are the skills so we can design classes?
Because I think you and he's hearing that from.
So I think some kind of coral takes his work for commission
United way doing great work, but we need the business is
telling us we need to be able to read about sheet.
You know, force for this size of business or we need these
guys to be able to do a marketing plan digital marketing
plan or whatever that is. So I think engaging HR from the
actual business small businesses and large businesses in
town because that's kind of two different curriculums,
right?
That should be our focus to try to engage those guys at the
highest level get their times going to be our but if they
see like, hey, we're really we went back and put some
classes together at you and more taxes to be able to
provide this or bit nice in the welding program.
Whatever. That's where we have to engage and that's what
the Fort Worth Mayor's Council does it is Lockheed Martin.
It's bell with the universities in the same room. That's
exactly and that's why it's so successful.
You know the nonprofits involved and it's becomes a money
raising thing and I don't mean that in a bad way, but they
they're in front of business owners now they're trying to
raise money and step we need to make sure that it's
actually what our goal is narrow.
What kind of test course we need because again, there are
all these other groups doing different components. What is
it that we're saying is not being done.
And the person that runs this I know that he would come
here and show you how he established it and how it runs it.
Well, I think the city of San Antonio a few years ago they
set aside general fund monies to support workforce
development from the entire city.
I thought we're very innovative.
So maybe that's eventually maybe we'll get to.
Everything the thing that came out of this meeting, what I
remember the most is if we have qualified workforce and can
get a building permit quickly. That's if I remember I may
be wrong but if I remember the top two things that came out
of that how quick can we get you to work and can we get
people.
Even to the point that the consultant said incentives don't
even matter as much if you can do those two things.
And say those two things again get a permit quickly and get
their building open and have people to fill it and work
that that means more than even.
That's right.
There you go.
So we back up and I know that we're kind of getting on this
little bit of it.
So we put in nonprofits.
We have anyway we're not seeing like anyway but what are we
seeking from the nonprofit.
I think well it depends on what their goals are.
I think their goals.
This is our goal.
Yes.
Okay.
So what is our goal.
What are we seeking to get from that.
Our goal is to collaborate and have priority objectives
like Lee saying he says there's a needs engaged with
industry to get feedback on what skills that they need.
Do we feel like other groups are doing a satisfactory job
or should we actually implement new programming we
facilitate and creating a mayor's group to do something
similar where all the right parties are involved or do we
utilize this word to actually do it ourselves and put on
those events.
Right.
It just it could be anything.
So that's kind of the goal.
I based on that goal I can see the businesses in the
education piece but I'm not tying in the nonprofit.
So I guess I need someone to explain what value the
nonprofit is going to provide.
They would just probably be a partner because they work
with workforce solutions workforce solutions is a division
of the Texas Workforce Commission.
There's all types of skills development grants that they
can help us with and they may be working on similar
initiatives with specific industry partners.
But maybe it's just prompting us to work with them to learn
more about their goals is how we can collaborate.
It's premature to consider the nonprofits of what we want
to do and do you mind if I speak up.
Yeah, I think as opposed to trying to create another
organization I think at least initially, it should be this
group.
That actually listens to what kind of template there's been
in the past and potentially ourselves put together a group
meeting where we can ask the right people the right
questions and then try to figure out how to implement that.
I mean, this is just a suggestion but I just don't want to
create a bunch of other administration and red tape.
I think that's something that that's what kind of this
group is trying to get the right people in the room and so
we probably have the right people here that at least know
the right people.
I'm just going to keep saying people.
It seems like we used to have quarterly meeting.
I don't know whether sponsored by the chamber or this great
.
But it was usually held at a business location and we have
people come talk about this kind of thing to try to inform
the community of what things were headed.
The last one I remember was out of the airport.
Three or four years ago I haven't seen one since I could
have been asleep.
I mean, it seems like this group may be taking more lead is
a correct answer.
I like it.
And sometimes when we implement new programs we just hear
feedback that oh so and so is working on this.
That's why we're just covering all of our faces.
That's really difficult.
Thank you for sharing that.
Well, I think also we're kind of preventing if we have a
nonprofit in there that we're thinking so and so is going
to this is another party that we're going to be looking for
answers and if they don't do it and they're a piece of it.
And where does that leave us?
Right.
So I think if we're going to I don't know that nonprofit
maybe an answer, but it needs to be aligned with like there
needs to be something we're going to benefit from.
Not just have an online is awesome.
Great point.
I like it.
All right.
Be ready to be loved.
And so the next school here is a program resources and
messaging campaigns from T.W.C.
didn't I see the whole industries and CTC by level was
entry level professional and advanced.
I don't know one database that collects all this
information I'll say that our team is releasing a website
that we also want this is called opportunity.com.
So maybe that's a personal workforce resources or maybe
another maybe we create marketing materials.
Any comments on this one.
All right. Well the next one one point three is established
and actually working committees from the task force based
on industry.
So they wrote aviation media logistics defense
manufacturing.
Does anyone have anything else to add here.
I think that we just invite those businesses that are here
that are part of these industries into this template for
this model that we're going to try to set up after this
table.
And we might also utilize what the chamber has done as far
as they put together groups depending on industry to talk
about.
So what is it that they're happening in that industry so I
don't go.
So what is it that is discussed.
Is it I know they've been like roundtables.
So it would be like a targeted advisory group.
So we look at aviation it would be a targeted advisory
group on aviation focusing on whether it's the current F.P.
O. there that airport management and then recruitment and
retention of businesses and whatnot to try to figure out
just that industry sector.
And then we also have a lot of the
industry that is going to be the one that is going to be
the most important part of that to manufacturing.
I think that's the one most recently is manufacturing
heater bills and the team out there to try to figure out
what do they need.
Are we meeting it. Are we following short of it. How do we
exceed it.
We could have something where Jamie could add that into his
reporting on the last meeting to this meeting.
These are the industry specific roundtables that advance
the economic goals.
He would be I'm sure I can't speak for him but I'm sure he
would be happy to provide updates from like listening
sessions that occurred out there.
Jamie I'm sorry as far as what is discussed in those roundt
ables does it include what is it that you all need.
What are what are these groups looking for in a lot of this
response to business for just expansion.
You hear roads here.
Workforce and whatever the issues are we come back and
share that information.
It hasn't been that targeted from my standpoint by everyone
to come here about.
Workforce everyone can hear about the career centers.
Yes we can get more targeted in smaller rooms and more
specific topics.
So we're looking at the same perspective to the chambers
one piece of this ecosystem that we also have still coming
out of our department as well.
And so we just posted aviation roundtable at the airport
because we own the airport right.
And so we met with several aviation companies on the site
to hear more about the challenges and how the city can
better provide services to them.
So we offer that as well and then Stoke has their own small
business services.
And so I know they host lines for like our groups for like
media professionals as well.
So do we want to maybe we just have more of a focus on the
roundtables for these industries and we just promote it.
So whether the chamber does or someone else does that we
just promote them.
How does that sound.
So what we want to know is what are these industries
looking for in the employee need.
So if they're already meeting let's just have them be asked
that.
So it's a creating more city for work as it is.
They have this working committee.
They have all these people that are from the businesses of
the higher education.
And then if they're like a media we want to do more Taylor
Sheridan.
They have a subcommittee that breaks off the meets
virtually.
But they do the quarterly in-person meetings with everybody
at the table and knock it out.
Don't waste anybody's time.
And then if there's more in depth you do your subcommittee.
Yeah I keep thinking that gets everybody's at the table.
It just seems for.
We all these pockets.
Because I need to go close because you know.
Who are we asking help of because it can always be the city
incentivizing sometimes.
So she's the example where I came from because it's the
same thing's happening with a out now.
So the city I came from you got G a UPS.
Other than the bus of urban and Churchill down.
But when Ford retooled their line everybody thought all
they go there's all these jobs.
They did that work force actually increase what they needed
with the problem.
I just had a real course for the math skills to recalibrate
the line.
And so that's another problem.
Social but you know you had a time that Louisville was
cutting out all of their remedial math and everything else.
So just want to do it as a person going to put it back.
So how are you getting that communication to the university
that there's a man there.
Because we'll teach classes.
I mean that kind of group you're talking about everybody's
at the table.
So you're in the same thing.
And if there's necessary for some committees what we do we
meet and then we have to update at the next quarterly
meeting.
And then we have to do that.
So that's the biggest problem.
The biggest problem in the industry as to use six foot of a
tree.
There's only so many trees that you cut the first six foot
lose all the rest of it.
So you got UK and UL right now researching trying to figure
out if you could put stays together and not change the
color and taste the taste of art.
None of that would have ever happened.
The university is too busy doing whatever it's doing and
not listening to the business who's saying I have a need
here.
I'm all interested in this bourbon.
I think we should try the bourbon from the six foot tree
versus the five foot tree.
That's a good point. Excellent point.
So really this board just needs to be the lead of
collecting that data from whether it's doing some of this.
Maybe it's a small committee or maybe it's the chamber
having the roundtables or if we're providing a roundtable,
we need to make sure that all the boards invited and we
report that data because I think that's the way that's
structured right now.
We're all we're all working on it. It's just how do we make
sure that this board's involved.
Excellent. Let's see what has any other comments on that
one. Real quick going back on the goodwill industry. So
what is what is that program's resources and messaging and
I just educate me on what goodwill industries would provide
there.
So goodwill and remind you I did not put these together.
This was a group. I think Kim and Stany serve on this group
.
Goodwill in certain areas of Texas, they will provide like
workforce centers providing they'll actually open up center
about their goodwill facilities to help people apply for
jobs.
I'll help them with resumes. I'll help them with skills
development. And so that's how we would be connected to
that. That's something we're interested in.
Ready to go the next one. And goal number two, business
retention expansion. As to grow and strengthen existing
businesses and didn't by identifying and addressing local
business needs, providing quality assistance and ensuring
access to resources that support business retention and
expansion.
Item two point one is an advisory board council at
potential task force. So multiple requests for task force
here. Two point two is a silver tsunami connection to host
small business workshops.
And they put review and connect with small business
resource partners develop plan identified by industry and
include finance reverse job fair section planning for small
businesses.
And I believe this goal is probably just to coordinate all
the small, small business resources into one, which we can
use an opportunity to use another avenue. I have any
suggestions. Any comments on that?
The next one is two point three. And that's decide on BRE
software that is shared with the city in the chamber. I did
look into this and this was recommended in the chamber work
plan for F.Y. 2526. Any updates on that? Jamie or Aaron?
No, ideally, we want to be able to communicate together and
share a CRM. So I guess the question is, do we get access
to yours or do we have to create a new one or what?
It was really creative new and I did check with our
technology department and they said that it would be a
necessary risk. It would if we were to give a contractor
access.
That's new because we did used to share, but we have new
rules and standards. And I think back then this was
different leadership for the new board members. There's
been six different directors over the past fifteen years.
And so not everything has been clean and functional. So
that provides a large risk if an outside party was to gain
access to our customer relationship management database.
What are you asking? And you're saying we should have a
shared BRE, but now you're saying we can't have a shared B
RE. This was recommended.
So it's the request that the chamber creates it and you all
access to it because it not feels like you want us to take
the risk. Does that make sense? So you guys aren't willing
to go or legal doesn't allow, but you want us to do it and
allow.
Technology, we cannot label.
If we want to allow, then legal probably won't allow it
either. And it would be essentially like if you were going
to share your database with outside parties.
We did. We have providers that helps us with online banking
and everything else. Like whenever you pull up an app on
your phone for your banking, like your bank can go and
create an IT team and develop that.
Like there's a part of that. That's where we kind of talk
in the meeting is there's gotta be some kind of agreement.
So I guess where I would let me just let's revisit this
later.
But I guess what I would ask is that whoever is responsible
with the city for that, why don't they come and present
here and let's have a discussion about what is possible,
not what is not possible.
Make a recommendation. Well, I think I've managed to be a
reprogrammed in the past and so there's multiple ways to
achieve this goal. And that's not necessarily the same.
We have our own city projects that we work on that are
private and if that information were to get out, then
sometimes that could cause a large risk.
So there's survey monkey. There's other databases that you
can use where everybody can if Jamie's meeting with a
business, then he can enter the data. We all have access to
it.
Or maybe he just has access to it and we just have them
complete a survey because we do various well, right? We're
collecting that data.
There's just there's multiple ways to accomplish the same
goal. It's not just the way we've done it in the past,
which Aaron's referring to. So I guess the question is how
do we make it a two way street instead of a one way street?
The city won't share their information.
I don't care. We're all after the same goal. That's fine.
We're not forgetting the business. We'll see it then if we
want. And everything you have is open records requests
anyway. So nothing you have to protect.
That's not everything. I think the opportunity is for
Brittany and I to sit down and have a conversation about
what to use. I think Jill or Jeremy's phrase, but we can do
within the parameters that exist and then bring that back.
But I do think that the common core is we're doing the same
jobs. We're doing them differently and we need to do them
collaboratively together. So that could be a really great
opportunity for this plan.
Right and Stoke also does it too. I mean, we're not the
only department in the city that also looks on BRE. So I
think the perspective has been from the Chamber and hasn't
been from the city.
So we would like that consideration as well. So I don't
think this should be a point of contention. We're working
on other major projects right now. And so that's the
priority.
But yes, we can be an after this and Jeremy can attend to.
We can just find another solution.
I don't think you're hearing us. I don't think you're
hearing us because I don't mean to be tough, but I hear you
think you got this crown of information that you want to
protect.
But at the end of the day, if it's going to be, I want to
control this and I want to protect this, none of this is
going to work. Right?
Because we got to look at all avenues because if I'm a
business owner and I may or may not like who I'm dealing
with at the city, we need to collectively put somebody else
in place that that business may like.
Or if I'm dealing with the Chamber and I don't like Aaron
or whoever at the Chamber, we may want to place and go, we
're not getting anywhere with this. Let's put somebody else
in here to help.
So that's what I'm not saying that I understand their
strengths, but I want to make sure that our goal is the
same. It's not about I own this and I did this that our
goal is to go get the businesses here and then we get
employees and then however we get there.
That's how we do it. I agree. That is a goal for us, too. I
am hearing you, Lee.
But I have not seen this in other cities that I worked in.
I've been an economic development for the past 15 years. I
don't care if you see it in another city.
I've never done it, to be honest with you. It doesn't
matter to me. I want to do what we can figure out to work
best to get businesses and employees.
I think the underlying theme and how much does this cost
for the retreat? This cost, I'll have to look up, alright,
maybe $6,000. $6,000.
So one of the prevailing things which above was the reverse
welfare and succession planning and all of that. I sense
this, like I've heard a couple business people say that is
a real issue and that they're having trouble.
They're at the end of their career and they're trying to
fare well with you. So that's a known issue. The other
thing that was really a big issue was just working together
.
This is an avenue to try to work together and for the
greater good of the city. And I think the city needs to
figure out a way that we can make that happen.
Well, we can definitely do that. And if this is a priority
to you, this sharing data is a priority versus all the
other work-free items, then we can make it a priority. But
to me, we have other priorities.
Then in that case, I think we're going to need additional
feedback back and I think we do need to delay this going to
council from next month in July so we can really have a
time to go through it and look at it.
Especially because the Chamber is contracted to do exactly
this, so we need to be very specific and not step on each
other's toes.
But we can move on, right?
Okay, this is recruitment to develop a robust plan to
utilize available research for recruitment targets while
achieving site readiness and availability and develop new
businesses through pilot programs and technology ecosystem
support.
On 3.1, it says facilitate site readiness through a
certified site program for proactive development efforts.
So Charlie Rosendahl, he's now the director of development
services. He stated that he wants to work with us to create
this program. So that's great.
3.2 is review and update target industries in collaboration
with UNT data, excluding regulatory prohibited businesses
and community priorities for business community and
citizens.
So we didn't meet with him and Kim sent over a contact Ben
McGill who is working on regional workforce initiatives. He
's going to present to this board in July, which we may have
to postpone that July meeting to the end of the month.
So, and they have worked on creating a regional industry
study just for workforce development is what we learned. It
's not necessarily for industry recruitment, but it is for
workforce development.
So, something Alicia recommended was completing an industry
study through a consultant since our economic development
strategic plan needs to be updated. It wasn't it was
created in 2020. And so we're about 6 years.
Down the road, it's 87% completed. There's still a few
items that we need to work on.
But let's see here. Yes, if that's something we're
interested in doing, then we need to ask council in the
future for budgeting funds for the consultant.
Some another cities economic development agencies, they
will do these ambitious studies. Corporate is a great
example. Instead of completing a strategic plan. They did
that industry study where I did identified based on the
existing businesses, which industries to recruit into the
city.
So they were able to land still dynamics and test the ref
inery and purpose Christie, which created huge economic
impact in the region still dynamics is when the largest
still mills in the United States.
They then brought on the suppliers. It's similar to a Peter
belt. Right? And so that's something that we can focus on
versus maybe updating the strategic plan in the future.
Is that something you're open to? We say additional budget.
I was what how much is that? It could range up 50 grand.
Or more potentially. I don't think we want to go 50 grand.
I support maybe as the county for help because we go in
this budget season. Property taxes assessments are down.
Sales taxes down. So we're not going to have more. We're
going to have less. So just we might look at partnering
with other groups.
I think that would be a great. And I'm happy to take it to
Andy if we put something together for me to share
information with.
We need to make sure we're okay.
I'm going to use great. I utilize connections with existing
local and countywide business leaders to recruit suppliers
to didn't. So that's something that we're going to do.
That could be part of Jamie's plan as well. We're being
already established programs and policies for pilot
programs and startup recruitment related mobility in the
technology ecosystem.
We host the mobility summit earlier this year. We're
building up the framework of how to recruit some of those
mobility startups to the city right now. And so we may do
our chapter 380 policy update that will provide the next
few months.
We may see some updates that can support research and
development funding.
So that's one of them. Does anyone else have any ideas
about to do this? Sorry, I don't have ideas. I have a
question.
Are we talking about like unmanned cars? Like what is this?
I don't know what a program or policy related to what kind
of mobility businesses would we be targeting?
This is just my lack of knowledge. So drones because we're
looking at our low hanging fruits. You need to just go on
the largest testing facilities in Texas.
The largest one before that was in focus Christie. So I
work closely with the loan source center and focus Christie
, who is one of seven FAA test sites in the entire nation.
So they just strictly work on research and development with
Texas A&M University. And so something I was working on
with them is to start a startup fund to recruit some of
those businesses into focus Christie.
But this is when I took this job. So now I'm here. What I
learned is that UNT Dr. Kamesh Navenduri has applied for a
grant to build that testing page.
So there's opportunity to do the same thing here. There's a
lot of drone companies that are competing for the best
technology right now. We can recruit them in.
UNT is also applying for additional federal grant funding
to support additional UAS like tracking systems and other
just equipment.
We also have land around our airport. And so many of you
may be aware the airport master plan was completed earlier
this year.
And so a vertical site was identified and we'd like to see
if we can maybe implement test pilots for some of those UAS
companies there as well.
So there's an opportunity. And then, but also UAS, but also
logistics and supply chain. So Brian's not here, but he can
speak to it.
He's investing heavily into R&D for autonomous digital
technology.
I'm just going to stop you real quick. I think I've got
real concerns about how these next elections are going to
turn out and whether or not any of this is going to be
implemented when it comes to the city.
I don't know if you all saw that we had a unanimous vote in
this board to recommend the incentives to the drone
facility and it squeaked.
Past. So, I mean, I'm just saying that, I mean, I think we
're on the right track. However, we also need to be cogniz
ant of the politics around all of this and either lay the
groundwork for it or abandoned for a time being, depending
on who gets in office.
I mean, I'm just trying to be realistic with our time.
Definitely paying attention to that right now, but I think
if this is drones are coming either way. And so, as they
innovate, maybe we can take advantage of it. And if we don
't, we need to pivot, then we pivot to another supply chain.
I can sell that deal saving emissions. Saving emissions.
Look, we're saving the environment by drones. I don't want
to get us off-turn. It was a very rough city council. It
really was, Lee.
I mean, it was very, I don't want to sit as a for failure.
That's all.
We can sell that. Love it. So, identify side readiness gaps
, their cross reference of comprehensive and master plans
across departments, quarterly meeting.
So, this is a work in progress. Cassie, as an interim city
manager, she's really focused on making sure that we're all
collaborating and talking to each other. That'll be a work
in progress. But again, elections have a lot to do with all
this. So, but that's why I'm doing my best to make sure
that your voices are heard at the top.
And Cassie Aubin, she cares. That's why she came here. She
had to leave another meeting, but we're doing our best. Let
me tell you. All right. Goal number four.
I think that's critical. The communication in our
department.
It is.
It might make sense, but we can move on to number four. I
just wanted to add that.
Thank you. All right. Customer service excellence to
prioritize top downstream lining of customer facing effic
iencies throughout the development process to achieve
regional and statewide recognition.
So, for four point one, develop recognition comprehension
from leadership regarding connection between development
service, services processes and economic development.
So, as you saw, I'm passing here. I think that's going to
make a difference. We're talking to our directors and
capital projects and development services to see how we can
improve our process.
But we have our own way of operating. So, it is the other
departments.
And are you still attending the developer meetings?
So, we haven't had any with the transition. I think we got
one scheduled, but we're working through the checklists
each compliance plan checklist, trying to get some get what
's needed early. Anyway, we're working through redoing the
checklist to streamline it to make it a little faster.
And with Charlie getting that position, I think he's he's
going to carry that torch. I think that's a very, very good
decision.
The city position, I think it would be good to have Charlie
come to speak to this group. So, everybody knows him
because he is.
I think he does a great job. I think he did a great job. He
's been in the city for 20 years. He's been here a long time
. So, he's established and I think he'll be established for
a while.
That's what's hurt the city is to turn over. But I think
with development services, Charlie's working hard to get
some of those streamlined.
But I think for him to hear the impact, not just from you
that has to get for doing your job to get a tenant here or
business here to hear from all of us going, hey, this is
when we came out of our work session.
This is actually all number four. I feel like it should be
going over to, but I don't care that much.
But I wanted to make a point earlier that I think the
numbering is not in order of importance. They're just
definitely the numbers.
But I think either today or next time we should actually
work on what are the actual priorities that we feel are the
first to tackle this.
We can't do everything at once. It's a separate time and it
'd be good to be on the same page as far as let's accomplish
this and this.
I think something that I can come to one of those. Sure. It
's actually just a small committee that he put together with
engineers and a couple of just to go through the checklist
to go where you got struggling.
What do you get the most comments back on? He's really
working hard to say you people would have your mind going
through a checklist like that.
But I'd love to see you there. But one of those, I think,
and then being able to represent the rest of council about
what's happening might be helpful. And so that's why I'm
saying maybe we'll reach out to Charlie.
Sorry for the sidebar. But I think what he's doing helps.
This is already working on his part. He's working on it.
So I don't know that we need a subcommittee for this. I
think Charlie is on his path.
We can check. We did it. I think alongside Brittany, like
along with Brittany, Charlie's been working on the next one
or one down the road that's fostering relationships. So he
's been really getting out in the community, which I think
between the three of us that could be a really strong
partnership as well.
He's he's for real. He said he does what he says he's going
to do. He follows up like he's he's good. He doesn't tell
you yes all the time because I mean, nobody in that
position can do that. But it's it's yes. But let's look at
what options.
So he's
right. All number four customers. So I'm already there. I'm
sorry.
All right. So goal number four customer service excellence
for workers top downstream when their customer facing
efficiency throughout.
Did I say the 4.2 that I'm on. Yes. Advocate for fast
tracking policies and process with development services. We
discussed that 4.3 prioritize understanding the customer
facing impact of the development experience through inter
departmental actions and planning portal meetings.
I think that's key because I think the above the services,
not just development services, but engineering. That's like
the next level. Right. We have third party engineers that
are based out of some out of Colorado.
Some other places, I think, hearing from us that, hey, this
business, if it is from city council in this group, if this
business is a priority, those engineers and everybody
understanding, hey, we got to make sure this is right. We
don't want to do anything that's wrong.
It's going to be a problem in the future. But making sure
that they understand it's a priority from council. We've
approved these incentives. This is a priority to help you
with your job. We can't get a permit.
Yes, we get them as well. And I think it also comes with D
BR tracking as well. That's something that I didn't focus.
Christie is with 100 businesses a year. Everyone wanted to
meet with me, but that's where you go and collect data and
then to report back.
And then you're working with different entities. So I work
closely with the development services director to make sure
that those permitting processes were clear.
All right. Goal number five foster relationships to connect
existing entities and intentional ways to foster economic
prosperity.
I want one states to identify the players who needs to be
at the table and wants to participate. Who was served on
this group? Does anyone remember? Okay, five point to
develop an onboarding one on one. So when I got to the city
, there was an official onboarding process.
They just believe staff would update the board with a
PowerPoint presentation orientation. Now we meet with them
one on one. So that Kim, I met with you. I met with Lucy to
discuss our board policies and what our goals are.
Okay, so contracted partners, monthly check in relationship
building. I believe some of that is on our contracts
already with Stoke in the chamber.
Five point four quarterly city and departmental meetings.
That's stated twice. So I'm planning to delete one of those
.
What are the other contracted partners? It's just the
chamber and so are there any others that you can still.
Okay. And what is Stokes mission statement? You know,
generally.
To support their entrepreneur hub and they provide co-re
view space and they also provide support for small
businesses.
I have to get some. It's probably you all think it's silly,
but I think sometimes we're talking about fostering
relationships. We can't call our partners contractors. I
think that's a new term. So I would love to just call each
other.
Very maybe legally work contracted partner contract for
service. But I think the semantics of it, the word
contractor.
Feels different. I know that's real touchy. It's a step
between or something.
So, just work with city leadership and share goals and
impacts their development services and economic development
. We're actively we work with Christine and Cassie on a
daily basis. And so that is he worked on.
University, I SD post listing sessions to identify
opportunities and synergies. So the city meets with you and
team TWA you want to quarterly basis. I believe to share
common goals.
And if that's something that and obviously both of you can
and Jason represent both universities on this board. Do you
feel like we should host more listening sessions from this
group?
I think if we put together that workforce development
higher education committee that that will handle this and
we do need to the city. It's it's only plus a year.
I also think there was a discussion of adding NCTC to this.
Yes, I think that there is a whole stream.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, number six storytelling to
create a strong story that encourages visitors businesses
and citizens to live work and invest includes time talent
pressure and our unique community.
Strategy six point one develop three to four elevator
pitches for economic development.
I think that's an excellent idea. We can do a definitely a
better job promoting ourselves and some of our successes.
Six point to tell the triangle story economic development
101 that tactics are part and shared by residents, tourists
and businesses.
So we are hosting Council orientations right now. We met
with Jordan and Stevens a few weeks ago and we added a tax
triangle on their presentation added to our presentations
moving forward.
Six point three utilize our existing new timelines and
phrases where creativity needs commerce into our stories,
which we've done that as well. Six point four onboarding
develop some of these are people that at least I'm going to
take some of these off.
Six point five assign success stories by category. So
currently we're working on updating one pagers play will be
attending a bio life science conference in San Diego in the
next few weeks.
That's in partnership with the Dallas regional chamber
chamber. That's another one of our partners that we work
with.
And we're going to update one papers for each industry, but
we can also start including success stories as well so that
you have those available to share six point six to create
inventory of success store.
Sorry, split assignment. Okay, it's kind of the same six
point seven is little consistent aligned messaging. So, I
think between all of our partners, slash contractors we can
definitely do them.
Do you know what the city stands on the overall
comprehensive marketing.
Our new board members, a city last year I believe maybe two
years ago, they were working on implementing a new brand
and campaign, and then we had financial challenges and so
they put a hole to it.
So it obviously costs a time to implement a new brand. So
it's good. It's actually a good thing that we updated our
marketing materials because we would not have anything to
work with right now. So we're just using our, our brand
until they get a new one.
Who we need office should we recruit to see if we can
recruit some money from the city.
Yeah, we can.
I think we have to have on this board. It's a city
ordinance so it would.
It has to go before and I have made a pitch regarding
streamlining our boards and commissions and it adds changes
to this group as well. So I will be sure to make sure that
's included but no no no but unfortunately I mean and I wish
it was not that way.
But it is a city ordinance that has the makeup of this and
so we'll have to go before Council so, but I think it's a
great idea and I already made a note and I believe my, the
presentation on my pitch to help reduce some of our and
merge some of our boards and commissions
because we have twice as many as cities, twice our size,
and we form issues, etc. Anyways, I think that's coming
within a couple of months, but I'm sorry.
Oh, wonderful. Thank you. Actually, I'm going to email city
leadership.
And that will help because we do have several boards and
that's one of our challenges too is we got conflicting
messaging from from this board from other boards and so we
have to be honest and what all of our stakeholders wanted
to we have over 52 board members.
And so we're one of the smallest departments in the city.
So, that's why we have to be strategic and what our
priorities are and what you want to do right.
So any other additions to this.
I have one comment.
I'd rather see 6.2 be next to last. I hate negative things
up front.
It's a call on the rest of the items we're discussing when
we present to somebody else.
Which one was that right 6.2 you said negative negative
taxes.
The problem with that one supplication is it's multifaceted
. So I mean, telling the triangle stories really about
talking to the elected officials and giving them an under
span your own invest in one of these or the other and
triangle plays some conversation.
You're gonna make it on the before development forward you
got to educate more than one audience sometimes like
officials sometimes it's your public sometimes it's who are
we trying to recruit.
This is for that audience but this these are for the same
these are the audience.
But you make a good point because the messaging there's
positive words and negative words and help people hear
things so we can change that to make it.
I get focused on that.
They have been attention anything else you say.
You might as well shut the switch off and go home because
they have decided they're not going to do anything.
And something we're doing right and that's this is also on
our back burner is we want to work with finance to better
understand what our triangle looks like desert calls you
show different shapes like Orlando Florida has a different
triangle shape. We want to understand what our triangle
looks like.
So that's again one of the other products.
So, a little competition needs.
So for storytelling without the city's marketing department
that will do that or will that be a consultant.
Sure, it would be a combination between probably us and our
marketing.
So, I guess.
Between here the next meeting.
I guess when you get feedback from all members but I don't
think Jerry attended the first board retreat.
I don't believe he did but who else are we missing.
Yeah.
I think probably best timing certainly doesn't permit me to
discuss that but I think it'd be best probably to get
feedback from all of them. Bring it back here next week so
we can get the organization that the order.
And I would recommend anybody on here sent you back to
Britain, what your preference of order is what you think is
more urgent, so that maybe we can make this a 15 minute
topic next time instead of an hour.
I think people who are here do bring a lot of value.
Thank you. That's all I have.
I will say, let me see if we don't make it in time for the
work session, and maybe I can say that we are working on it
separately.
And really, depending on who gets mayor and how council
looks I mean this could obviously change in terms of like
who's working on what so that's probably good feedback as
well.
Like we may need to alter it a little bit depending on what
we think.
So that is not an action item or anything.
But we do have item B, ADP 26 that year one seven, which is
future agenda items.
So, all right for now July, I think play we did confirm we
have to push the meeting right. So we will find a new date
and you have time after this to find a new time to me at
the end of July, we have a project circuit and the words
right now
requested and since, and so that still has to go to City
Council closed session with the new council members coming
online in the 23rd of June.
So we didn't want this to be the first item that's brought
before the new council, we wanted to make sure that we had
at least an orientation with them prior.
And then we have a guest speaker Ben McGill with you and T.
And then we have the quarterly directors report.
The 23rd isn't a full council meeting that's the swearing
in. So the next council meeting before anything comes
before.
We'll move to the business discuss or suggestions on what
they wish to discuss the next week.
And so our next will be at the end of July. Yes, at the end
of July, date to be determined. So just make sure you let
Britain here.
Any more issues. It will be helpful at the next. It will
take a couple of meetings but then we'll get another city
council member appointed as well. And so that will help or
hopefully having another member appointed since
member bird is no longer serving and she was pointed out.