WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.599 Good afternoon. This is the meeting of the Sustainability 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:09.839 Framework Advisory Committee 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:17.920 on May 27, 2026. We have a quorum today, so we will proceed 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:21.600 with approval of February 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:30.079 25, 2026 minutes. Any discussion regarding those minutes? 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:35.119 Any motions to approve? Okay, 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:38.659 Mr. Helms, seconded by Mr. Richter. All in favor of 00:00:38.659 --> 00:00:45.600 approval? Second item, item B is 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:51.500 to consider approval of the March 25, 2026 meeting. Any 00:00:51.500 --> 00:00:54.640 discussion? Motions to approve? 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:59.130 Motion to approve. No. Second. Richter. All in favor of 00:00:59.130 --> 00:01:02.560 approving? Aye. I've got abstain, 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:07.340 I think, from these ones. Okay. Mr. Briegel is abstaining 00:01:07.340 --> 00:01:09.359 because he was not present. 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:15.780 Do I, I mean that's a process question, I guess. So, you 00:01:15.780 --> 00:01:19.200 know, if you wish to abstain, 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:25.519 that's permissible for you to do that. Okay. Dr. Briegel 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:31.680 abstains. Item C, oh wait, did we 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:35.670 vote on that? Yeah, we did. Item C, receipt will be court 00:01:35.670 --> 00:01:37.680 hold discussion and give staff 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:43.769 direction on the update of 2024-2025 fiscal year and 2025- 00:01:43.769 --> 00:01:48.319 2026 fiscal year to date, sustainability 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:52.670 framework fund incentive programs. The sustainability 00:01:52.670 --> 00:01:56.000 framework fund incentives programs estimated 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:59.280 greenhouse gas emissions reduction. And we're by discussion 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.280 . Mr. Chair, did you do the April 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:06.560 22 minutes? I thought I did. No, we did too. We did do the 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.280 April 22. Oh, it's not, what, 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:18.889 oh no wonder. I had the April 22 agenda. Pardon me. Okay. 00:02:18.889 --> 00:02:24.319 Third, consider approval of the April 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:30.389 22, 2026 minutes. Any discussion? Any motions? Motion to 00:02:30.389 --> 00:02:33.439 approve. Seconded. Dr. Briegel? 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:39.599 Abstaining? I could vote. You want me to approve these? 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:41.599 Yeah. It's not what I want you to do, 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:45.650 it's what you want to do. Yeah, no, I'll vote for this one. 00:02:45.650 --> 00:02:47.680 Yeah. Okay. So majority 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:54.449 in favor of adopting those minutes of April 22. Now, the 00:02:54.449 --> 00:02:58.159 next item is to receive a report, 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:01.629 hold a discussion and give staff direction on the update of 00:03:01.629 --> 00:03:05.280 the 2024-2025 fiscal year 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:11.969 and 2025-2026 fiscal year to date, sustainability framework 00:03:11.969 --> 00:03:14.560 fund incentive programs, estimated 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:19.680 greenhouse gas emissions reduction. We have a presentation. 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:26.879 All right. Good afternoon, 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:29.909 committee, committee chair. My name is Caitlin Mather. I'm 00:03:29.909 --> 00:03:31.360 one of the conservation program 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:35.379 coordinators in the sustainability division. It's a bit of 00:03:35.379 --> 00:03:37.280 a mouthful, but I want to talk 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:39.479 to you guys about the sustainability framework fund 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:42.719 incentive program, the results and greenhouse 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:46.710 gas emissions avoidance from starting last fiscal year 00:03:46.710 --> 00:03:48.800 through quarter two of this current 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:53.419 fiscal year. So just a brief background, mostly for those 00:03:53.419 --> 00:03:56.000 watching at home, the sustainability 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:58.879 framework advisory committee was established to advise on 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:00.560 the implementation of the city's 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:03.770 sustainability framework, which is a living document. And 00:04:03.770 --> 00:04:06.080 the sustainability framework 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.990 fund, its revenues and expenditures is adopted annually as 00:04:08.990 --> 00:04:11.039 part of the annual program of services. 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:15.530 And the framework fund provides funding for many one time 00:04:15.530 --> 00:04:17.279 and ongoing projects, including 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:21.459 our ongoing residential incentives for electric vehicles or 00:04:21.459 --> 00:04:23.839 EVs, as well as e-bikes and electric 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:27.379 lawn equipment. And these programs are meant to incentivize 00:04:27.379 --> 00:04:29.360 and encourage city residents 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:32.850 to reduce emissions from gasoline power transportation and 00:04:32.850 --> 00:04:38.000 the water. So this table right here shows the 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:43.230 rebates awarded by fiscal year. So just a reminder, the EV 00:04:43.230 --> 00:04:45.680 and e-bike rebates were originally 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:48.490 offered as part of the greensense energy efficiency 00:04:48.490 --> 00:04:51.120 incentive program. This program was funded by 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:54.120 Denton municipal electric and starting last fiscal year in 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:56.160 the spring, the rebates were relaunched 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:59.420 as part of their own incentive program. And the electric 00:04:59.420 --> 00:05:02.480 lawn equipment program started as a pilot 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:06.680 last summer and last fiscal year. And so far, what's 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:09.759 looking like just like last fiscal year, 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:14.180 we will, we are on track to reach the funding expenditures 00:05:14.180 --> 00:05:16.399 for electric lawn equipment. 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:19.720 It's looking like that will be the case for e-bike and we 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:21.199 are seeing an increase. 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:24.079 It isn't the same, it doesn't show it. It's a little old, 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:27.439 but we are, we are having an increased 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:29.759 EV applications as well. 00:05:33.279 --> 00:05:34.459 So to help gauge performance of the framework fund 00:05:34.459 --> 00:05:38.000 incentives, staff sent out surveys 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:41.139 to recipients of the framework fund incentives. These 00:05:41.139 --> 00:05:43.680 surveys were designed to gather information 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:47.490 to better estimate greenhouse gas emissions avoided by each 00:05:47.490 --> 00:05:49.759 rebate type. Rebates provided, 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:53.269 sorry, respondents provided information like vehicle trips, 00:05:53.269 --> 00:05:54.879 miles traveled round trip, 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:57.990 use of e-bikes in place of gas powered vehicles and use of 00:05:57.990 --> 00:05:59.759 electric in place of gasoline 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:05.279 lawn equipment. So we had a lot of surveys distributed and 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:06.879 even though we only have about 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:10.620 30, 40 percent response rate, it was just in a few weeks. 00:06:10.620 --> 00:06:12.160 So we had a lot of people reaching 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:15.279 out and talking with us about these rebates. 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:20.639 Excuse me, could we possibly get copies of what these 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:24.000 surveys were, what the questions were and 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:26.319 percentage of the answers and that sort of thing? 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:26.879 Of course. 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:27.379 Yeah. 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:28.740 Thank you. 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:34.660 So next I'll just go over some survey highlights and some 00:06:34.660 --> 00:06:38.800 greenhouse gas emissions estimates. 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:41.689 Again, these are estimates just like we did for the Green 00:06:41.689 --> 00:06:43.279 Sense rebates a while back. 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.689 So between last fiscal year and through quarter two of this 00:06:47.689 --> 00:06:50.480 fiscal year, there were 135 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:55.000 EV rebates awarded. So how did I go about calculating 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:57.759 emissions avoided? So the EPA 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.819 reports that the average gasoline powered car produces 00:07:00.819 --> 00:07:02.879 about 4.6 metric tons of carbon 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:07.730 dioxide in a year or about 8,900 grams of carbon dioxide 00:07:07.730 --> 00:07:09.360 per mile. And again, this is 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.319 just carbon dioxide. This is not including the other 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:14.480 emissions associated with car exhausts 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:17.600 like NOx or volatile organic compounds, things like that. 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:19.519 And then the Federal Highway 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:22.060 Administration reports that the average Texan drives 00:07:22.060 --> 00:07:24.480 approximately 15,000 miles in a year. 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:26.160 Texas is big, we really like to travel. 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.439 And then of course the average fuel economy of the average 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:33.040 gasoline powered car is about 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:38.889 25 miles per gallon. So using this math and looking at the 00:07:38.889 --> 00:07:40.800 135 EV rebates awarded, 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:47.189 these rebates helped contribute to the avoidance of 500,909 00:07:47.189 --> 00:07:50.000 tons of carbon dioxide in one year. 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:55.839 And then we've got some interesting survey highlights down 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:57.600 below. So starting on the left, 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:02.079 figure one, majority of our survey respondents, about 86% 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:06.079 of the ones that completed the survey 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:09.889 report that they travel anywhere from one to 50 miles per 00:08:09.889 --> 00:08:13.600 day. And then figure two on the right 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.980 shows the percentage of trips made using an EV are survey 00:08:16.980 --> 00:08:20.240 recipients. Majority of them are using it 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:23.600 for at least a quarter of their trips, if not every trip. 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:26.000 Can I ask another question real quick? 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:32.700 I have owned an electric vehicle since 2019 and I haven't, 00:08:32.700 --> 00:08:34.559 I didn't receive a 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:39.879 survey. Is there a reason why it was certain, just a random 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:42.879 selection or how was that done? 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:47.690 So we can check. We can check, yeah. Okay, I appreciate it. 00:08:47.690 --> 00:08:49.519 Thanks. Of course. 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:57.529 Next we'll go into the e-bike. So these are conservative 00:08:57.529 --> 00:09:00.879 estimates. So between last fiscal 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.690 year and through quarter two of this fiscal year, there are 00:09:03.690 --> 00:09:05.360 188 e-bike rebates awarded. 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:10.549 And nearly half of the respondents of the survey that have 00:09:10.549 --> 00:09:12.399 received an e-bike rebate 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.580 report using their bike to travel around one to five miles 00:09:16.580 --> 00:09:18.960 round trip. So in figure three on the 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:22.799 top right hand side, these are our survey results. And 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:27.840 again, 28 people total, nearly 50% report 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.919 at least using their bike for one to five miles round trip. 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:32.960 We've got several that are reporting 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:37.730 using their e-bike even further. But if we use the same 00:09:37.730 --> 00:09:40.639 math that we use for the electric vehicle 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:44.360 greenhouse gas emissions avoidance, and we just look at the 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:47.279 28 respondents who report traveling 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:52.250 at least five miles round trip, this is equivalent to the 00:09:52.250 --> 00:09:56.480 avoidance of 33.46 tons of carbon dioxide. 00:09:56.480 --> 00:09:59.649 Again, this is a very conservative estimate and it's just 00:09:59.649 --> 00:10:02.399 based on the 28 respondents who 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:06.480 reported traveling at least five miles round trip. And then 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:13.120 figure four on the left of our e-bike 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.210 rebate recipients who completed the survey, they report 00:10:16.210 --> 00:10:18.720 that they primarily use their e-bike to 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.789 commute to work or school, running errands, either 00:10:22.789 --> 00:10:26.960 exercising or fitness or other forms of recreation. 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:31.230 And of the recipients who listed other, they say all of the 00:10:31.230 --> 00:10:32.799 above, which we love to see. 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:37.360 And then figure five on the bottom right hand corner shows 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:41.279 of the survey respondents, 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:44.279 they report almost 50% report using their e-bike at least a 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:45.120 few times a week. 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.399 Almost 30% report using it at least daily. 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:55.370 And then finally we'll talk a little bit about the electric 00:10:55.370 --> 00:10:57.279 lawn equipment. 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:00.110 So most people don't think of lawn equipment when they 00:11:00.110 --> 00:11:01.600 think of air pollution, but it's a 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:03.929 large contributor to greenhouse gas emissions in the local 00:11:03.929 --> 00:11:04.639 environment. 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:10.059 The research is a little spotty. So of the research 00:11:10.059 --> 00:11:13.039 available, some of them are EPA reports. 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:17.070 EPA reports one hour of operating a new gas powered lawn m 00:11:17.070 --> 00:11:18.720 ower emits the same amount of 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:21.360 volatile organic compounds and nitrogen oxide that's 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:23.039 driving a new car 45 miles. 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:27.549 Additionally, the emissions from powering a two stroke gas 00:11:27.549 --> 00:11:30.240 stream trimmer for just one hour is 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.269 equivalent to driving a gas powered car for approximately 00:11:33.269 --> 00:11:34.399 300 miles. 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:39.129 So based on the limited research available on emissions 00:11:39.129 --> 00:11:40.799 from gas powered lawn equipment, 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:43.490 we can conclude that just from the lawn mower rebates and 00:11:43.490 --> 00:11:45.440 stream trimmer rebates alone, 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:51.519 which is 366, these electric lawn equipment purchases help 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:54.720 to avoid approximately 11,617 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:56.929 tons of carbon dioxide from being emitted to the 00:11:56.929 --> 00:11:57.759 environment. 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.200 Again, these are very conservative estimates. 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:05.759 It is likely the greenhouse gas emissions avoidance is a 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:07.440 lot higher if we include it 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:10.879 in the other rebates. Quick question on the second bullet 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:12.639 point, it just says emissions. 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.799 Is that VOC and NO like the first bullet point? It's a 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:19.919 great question. I believe it's carbon 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:23.360 dioxide, but I can confirm. Okay. Thank you. 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:32.480 All right. And again, these are conservative estimates just 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:33.919 based on the limited data that's 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:37.299 available. That's the only, I only included electric lawn 00:12:37.299 --> 00:12:39.120 equipment and stream trimmers. 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:44.450 And figure nine shows from our survey respondents, many of 00:12:44.450 --> 00:12:47.200 them report they choosing electric over 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:51.269 gasoline powered lawn equipment. Reasons for choosing 00:12:51.269 --> 00:12:54.240 electric, they like the lower maintenance. 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.850 They like the quieter operation. It's lightweight and 00:12:56.850 --> 00:12:59.039 easier to handle. So it's more inclusive. 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.539 And then finally, throughout all of our rebate types, our 00:13:03.539 --> 00:13:06.720 respondents reports that environmental 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:09.529 health benefits are the main contributor to choosing 00:13:09.529 --> 00:13:10.240 electric. 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:15.620 I'm assuming in the survey, they were able to select 00:13:15.620 --> 00:13:18.159 multiple responses. 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.799 Yes, that was a mistake on my part. No, no. 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:23.350 Yes, there were multiple respondents. So it's used the 00:13:23.350 --> 00:13:24.320 results a little. 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:27.700 Okay. So this is reflective of all the respondents 00:13:27.700 --> 00:13:28.399 selecting 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.919 all the reasons that they elected to come to the reading. 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:34.639 Yes, that was an oversight on my part, but they also had an 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:36.879 open response where people could type 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:41.940 in what they wanted, I believe. And it just corroborates 00:13:41.940 --> 00:13:43.519 the results that we have. 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:51.789 All right. And finally, an additional $50 is awarded to 00:13:51.789 --> 00:13:53.840 residents who purchase an electric 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:56.700 lawnmower and subsequently disposed of their existing gas 00:13:56.700 --> 00:13:58.559 powered lawnmower, either through 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.519 a curbside pickup or a drop off at home chemical collection 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:04.080 . So this table shows the number of 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:07.740 lawnmower rebates awarded by fiscal year and the number of 00:14:07.740 --> 00:14:11.600 turn-ins. I want to make a note that 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:16.159 the 83 reported for this fiscal year is the correct number, 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:19.120 not 85 that's on your agenda. 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:25.009 And so of the 262 total residents who received an electric 00:14:25.009 --> 00:14:28.720 lawnmower rebate, 73 of which disposed 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:32.340 of their existing gas powered lawnmowers. So that's about 00:14:32.340 --> 00:14:34.960 28%, which further ensures that these gas 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:37.429 powered lawnmowers are not being in use in the community to 00:14:37.429 --> 00:14:39.360 air pollution in our local environment. 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:44.559 And we can see it's really starting to pick up the 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:46.240 popularity of turning in the gas powered 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:49.240 lawnmower. We can see in this fiscal year compared to this 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:51.120 time last year, we're getting more people 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:53.600 that are turning in their existing gas powered lawnmower. 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:56.159 Did anything change with the incentive 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.580 or did it just happen? I think just with the word getting 00:14:58.580 --> 00:15:01.440 out. Yeah. You know, last year was the pilot 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:04.909 program. So the word's getting out and people are taking 00:15:04.909 --> 00:15:09.519 advantage of it. So finally, some next steps. 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:11.889 We're just continuing with all of our rebate programs. We 00:15:11.889 --> 00:15:13.600 're continuing to track effectiveness, 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:15.799 program allocations and continuing to live up to the 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:18.399 program as needed. And we're continuing 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:21.309 working to identify opportunities for municipal operations 00:15:21.309 --> 00:15:22.879 to incorporate electric lawnmower 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.009 and move to our inventory. And with that, I thank you very 00:15:26.009 --> 00:15:28.000 much for your time and I'll take any questions. 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:30.000 Any questions? 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:36.450 I guess I'm just kind of curious because just by the 00:15:36.450 --> 00:15:39.120 numbers and I understand the 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:42.090 purpose of this was just to kind of explore the direct 00:15:42.090 --> 00:15:43.919 impact as best as we can assume 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:47.360 for what these rebates are getting us for avoided emissions 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:50.320 . If we were to go kind of crazy with this 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:53.620 and look at, you know, all the wraparound needs or 00:15:53.620 --> 00:15:57.519 infrastructure costs, I guess for the record, 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:00.700 just looking at the numbers, it would show that our EV 00:16:00.700 --> 00:16:03.440 program is really good at avoided emissions 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:06.769 compared to an E-bike program. When if you look at the 00:16:06.769 --> 00:16:09.039 total embodied carbon of the construction of 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:12.210 the car or the infrastructure needs for that vehicle, it 00:16:12.210 --> 00:16:14.159 just feels like we're waiting at like, 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:19.679 oh more EVs you guys. That I'm just curious for what we're 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:22.159 interested in regarding the 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:24.600 impact of what we're doing with these rebates. Is there 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:26.320 some way that you would consider the 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.330 total value perhaps in a dollar term or however we'd like 00:16:30.330 --> 00:16:33.440 to think about it for what might help us 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:38.009 prioritize or direct additional programming to each of 00:16:38.009 --> 00:16:40.399 these different categories? Like is there 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:43.440 some sort of equivalency we could consider that might just 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:44.799 make it a little more even 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:49.720 for each of the separate? Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:52.879 we can look into that and look at equivalencies. 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:58.080 Because yeah we're just looking at direct emissions within 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:00.240 the city. Right, yeah right. 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:05.740 Yeah I just wanted to say I'm sort of in a way on the 00:17:05.740 --> 00:17:08.079 ground floor of this program because 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:14.240 my wife and I were adamant pushers of this, gosh I don't 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:16.079 know how many years ago, but I just want 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:19.109 to say that's not the point of what I'm saying. It's great 00:17:19.109 --> 00:17:21.119 to see that from that perspective the 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:25.109 progress that is being made and I thank you for all the 00:17:25.109 --> 00:17:28.960 work that goes into this and I hope we 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:32.099 will continue, I know we will continue to build upon this 00:17:32.099 --> 00:17:34.400 because it's a great great positive thing 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:38.720 for the city and it's really setting an example for what we 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:41.519 need to do in the future. Thank you. 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:48.710 Can you tell if these are repeat applicants or are they new 00:17:48.710 --> 00:17:50.480 applicants? Is that something that you ask? 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:57.380 Yes we can tell. For the different rebates they can apply 00:17:57.380 --> 00:18:02.000 for multiple rebates. For the e-bikes 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:08.640 you can get two per home so we do account for duplicates. I 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:12.400 'll just add that we are seeing a 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:15.680 lot of crossover from rebate programs. We may get them in 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:18.319 the door on an EV or e-bike and they get 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:22.109 long and then vice versa. I personally was not answering 00:18:22.109 --> 00:18:24.640 your question but we've just seen since 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:28.009 we've launched our new sustainability incentives webpage 00:18:28.009 --> 00:18:30.319 they're all on one landing page. We've 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:39.359 seen a lot of crossover. Anything else? Thanks. Thank you. 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:46.759 Okay our next item is to receive a report, hold a 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:50.160 discussion and give staff direction regarding 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:53.819 projects and programs and prioritize funding for the 00:18:53.819 --> 00:18:57.839 development of a fiscal year 2026-2027 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:02.160 sustainability framework fund work plan for city council 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:03.599 consideration. 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:15.599 Okay. 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:23.759 I'm going to take this one today even though it says Jalisa 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:28.640 . We've changed back and forth on this 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:28.640 one a couple of times. So today I really want this to be a 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:34.880 conversation about the framework fund work 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:39.190 plan. Sorry I was writing my notes. I'll go through a few 00:19:39.190 --> 00:19:42.400 highlights for us to think about as part of our 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:43.039 conversation 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:45.640 but that I really want to get the committee's feedback. So 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:49.680 just some highlights. Framework 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:53.670 fund was established in 2021. It's guided by the annual 00:19:53.670 --> 00:19:55.920 work plan and funding is adopted as part 00:19:55.920 --> 00:20:01.930 of the annual program of services. For 26-27 we do not have 00:20:01.930 --> 00:20:04.960 a budget estimate yet but we're going to 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:07.470 work with a planning budget of a million which is what we 00:20:07.470 --> 00:20:09.279 've used for this past planning window. 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:14.319 We can look at a mix of ongoing and one-time projects and 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:17.200 then discuss caring over our existing programs. 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:26.069 So on the ongoing projects and programs we have 150,000 00:20:26.069 --> 00:20:29.519 identified for EV rebates, 100 for e-bike, 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:34.900 100 for lawn. The minor home repair efficiency program we 00:20:34.900 --> 00:20:37.599 have 350 budgeted for that. It's had 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:40.410 a little bit of a slow start. We're not going to reach that 00:20:40.410 --> 00:20:43.440 but we're seeing a lot of movement 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:46.500 for the homes that we are working with. It's interesting to 00:20:46.500 --> 00:20:47.519 see what needs to be 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:52.779 addressed in these minor repair homes. And then the air 00:20:52.779 --> 00:20:56.240 quality monitors ongoing maintenance and repairs. 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:01.369 And while we're here I'll just go ahead and update where we 00:21:01.369 --> 00:21:05.039 are on EV. We're at 89,000 on EV 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:10.160 rebates right now, paid and pending. We're at 78,600 on e- 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:14.720 bike. We're at 70,500 on lawn. 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:20.319 Yeah I have reasons too that you don't think that I am. 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:28.640 The city fleet support. We have four or five new EV 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:30.799 vehicles that we've helped support this budget 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:34.589 year. I think one more coming. We bought another round of 00:21:34.589 --> 00:21:37.039 the park's electric mowers. Those are 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:40.619 working fabulously for them so they bought an additional 00:21:40.619 --> 00:21:42.640 round of those and we'll carry that 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:45.779 forward into the next budget year. We've committed to three 00:21:45.779 --> 00:21:48.319 years of those mower purchases. And then 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:51.359 we're working with parks on identifying. We've identified a 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:53.200 handful of median projects that we 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:56.670 want to do for the low water use. It's going to be an 00:21:56.670 --> 00:21:59.519 interesting mix. Some are full sun where we're 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:02.950 going to try some buffalo grass. Others are plantings in 00:22:02.950 --> 00:22:05.440 shade areas. Some of it's on carrel. So 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:07.759 there'll be a mix around town where we can try different 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:09.119 tactics and see what works. 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:16.799 Okay and that moves into the discussion. 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:25.039 Do you have any feedback about ongoing, existing? 00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:30.670 Just kind of picking your brain a little bit on the fleet 00:22:30.670 --> 00:22:35.279 support. Just in your conversations with 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:40.160 I guess it's supposed to procurement mostly. Is that 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:43.680 triggering an actual opt-in where we would 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:46.599 have gone for a combustion engine? We are going to go for 00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:48.640 an EV because that support exists or 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:52.960 it's already in some plan a fleet to lean in that direction 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:55.680 with their much more significant budget 00:22:55.680 --> 00:23:00.829 than our sustainability fund? The sustainability fund is 00:23:00.829 --> 00:23:03.680 just to help with that income and cost. 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:07.549 So if they have a vehicle replacement funded and they need 00:23:07.549 --> 00:23:10.240 additional to go to an EV, what we've 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:14.720 done is 10 percent of that cost roughly is about that 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:17.759 increase that you would see to go from 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:22.299 the internal combustion to EV. So that's what we're 00:23:22.299 --> 00:23:23.279 focusing on. 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:27.710 As we get more EVs in the fleet, I think we'll see more 00:23:27.710 --> 00:23:29.839 departments asking for them. 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:33.779 Right now it's more we're making that option available and 00:23:33.779 --> 00:23:35.440 we're trying to encourage them 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:38.730 to to choose an EV option whenever they go for fleet repl 00:23:38.730 --> 00:23:39.359 acements. 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:46.119 Hope to have a little bit more push behind that going 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:46.960 forward. 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:53.480 Right now it's just an option for fleet to go with EV. All 00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:56.160 right thank you. I have a question. 00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:02.970 Are the sustainability framework fund and the green sense 00:24:02.970 --> 00:24:07.039 fund separate? Yes. Okay. 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:12.710 And just a reminder for everybody, green sense is the 00:24:12.710 --> 00:24:17.599 energy efficiency portion of the incentives 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:21.029 and then the framework fund are the air quality related. 00:24:21.029 --> 00:24:22.480 Great. And the mic. 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.789 Catherine, those dollar amounts, were they just were they 00:24:29.789 --> 00:24:32.079 tied to any kind of emission reduction 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:36.740 goals or are they just arbitrary? They're not tied to the 00:24:36.740 --> 00:24:40.319 plan. And then the $7,500 for the air quality 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:46.039 monitors, what does that buy exactly? That helps cover the 00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:51.759 ongoing data fees and then some maintenance 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:56.000 that we have to perform to replace the payout sensors. Okay 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:59.440 . Things like that. Okay can we just 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:03.769 so big picture we've got most of the money going towards 00:25:03.769 --> 00:25:06.480 incentivizing electrification 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:13.960 in one way or another right and then another big chunk for 00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:18.480 water basically water reduction. 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:22.089 And I'm just like you wanted to have a big picture 00:25:22.089 --> 00:25:24.240 conversation so I'm looking at our focus areas 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:28.890 like in the sustainability framework plan. It kind of makes 00:25:28.890 --> 00:25:31.680 I'm just wondering like does it make sense? 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:34.829 Well the electrification touches on a lot of those focus 00:25:34.829 --> 00:25:36.960 areas so I feel like that is a good way to 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:41.700 spend the money right energy air quality right with those 00:25:41.700 --> 00:25:42.559 emissions. 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:49.769 It helps us reach our climate goals right the and 00:25:49.769 --> 00:25:52.720 transportation some of those goals. 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:57.440 What's not represented maybe worth discussing is maybe more 00:25:57.440 --> 00:25:58.160 land use 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.430 ways to spend that money and also like materials management 00:26:03.430 --> 00:26:03.920 but maybe 00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:09.019 that's not where this money is best spent. Plus there's 00:26:09.019 --> 00:26:12.240 like we have these programs going already 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:14.609 so they they get their own momentum and it kind of makes 00:26:14.609 --> 00:26:16.240 sense like Ed is saying to build on 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:19.750 what we have and it does seem like it's going well so I'm 00:26:19.750 --> 00:26:21.680 not proposing that we make radical 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:25.339 changes just in the spirit of you saying we could have a 00:26:25.339 --> 00:26:27.519 discussion about maybe some of the focus 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:32.839 areas that aren't represented. The the medians tie the 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:37.680 water in land use so I think that that 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:41.789 I think that's going to be a good program it's just taking 00:26:41.789 --> 00:26:43.759 a little bit more time to get off the ground 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:50.849 looking at other land use. When you start looking at the 00:26:50.849 --> 00:26:52.480 budget available 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:55.200 it's not a big impact on a lot of land use projects 00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:00.720 and there may be money in other budgets that address those 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.200 right instead of the framework right. 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:09.920 I think I share that perspective frankly I feel that 00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:12.319 perhaps it's more of the jurisdiction of P&Z 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:15.160 and council to make land use decisions and land use 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.160 management decisions than our fund as small as it 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.839 is I think we do have the most direct impact in as you said 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:24.240 like meeting that last step that last 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:28.390 mile of I was evaluating buying a new combustion mower and 00:27:28.390 --> 00:27:31.200 this incentive is here that I'm going 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:34.109 to switch over this and perhaps that build up the momentum 00:27:34.109 --> 00:27:35.920 you mentioned of more people on bikes, 00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:38.609 more people need these helps guide the more general 00:27:38.609 --> 00:27:41.200 conceptualizations of how we engage in 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.579 space around town. Well I agree yeah it's proportional to 00:27:44.579 --> 00:27:47.200 what we have access to in these resources that 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.460 I don't know if we can really step into that. I mean I 00:27:49.460 --> 00:27:51.039 think it's good it's a bit extra I should 00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:54.509 think to rethink it all but I agree that it seems like we 00:27:54.509 --> 00:27:56.880 're it is a limited pot of money but it's 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:01.119 with what little we have I think we're doing really good. 00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:08.309 I'll just add that whenever I add in the green sense reb 00:28:08.309 --> 00:28:12.319 ates we have already processed 1227 rebate 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:19.190 applications this year. Wow. Wow. 665,000 of that is green 00:28:19.190 --> 00:28:23.039 sense but we've paid over 900,000 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:27.200 already rebates to community this year. 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:33.720 I'll jump off of that I have been thinking I mean we've 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:36.079 been here for you know five six years almost 00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:39.119 working with this pot of money in these programs and that's 00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:41.279 grown a lot over the years and that's 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.279 great we are feel having a more direct impact on residents 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.160 but perhaps also we keep adding 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:52.349 workload to the office and I'm just curious if there's any 00:28:52.349 --> 00:28:54.960 interest in perhaps taking a portion 00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:58.180 of this and helping you guys with staff line even I don't 00:28:58.180 --> 00:29:00.240 know how that works but perhaps like an 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.259 internship even just to help you guys process the volume of 00:29:03.259 --> 00:29:05.200 applications that we keep dumping on 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.069 you guys over the years and you know say the ROI of the 00:29:08.069 --> 00:29:10.319 funds this account keeps growing and these 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.640 projects keep getting larger or we add new more ambitious 00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:15.920 things it's a lot of overhead and admin 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.910 load that I don't I don't want to add additional burdens to 00:29:18.910 --> 00:29:20.880 staff who might have other roles and 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:24.200 positions or focuses that that feels a little uneven is 00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:27.440 that something that would be welcome or helpful? 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.400 I don't know we will have to see if that's even possible 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.799 the way that the fund was established. 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.119 If you're able to find that out I would love to explain. 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:50.009 Sorry this is a good point I didn't think about that. A one 00:29:50.009 --> 00:29:52.720 -time project I spent a lot of the last 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:56.099 few months over in Sweden where public transportation is 00:29:56.099 --> 00:29:58.960 amazing. Part of what makes it great is 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:02.569 of course the frequency of the buses running but another 00:30:02.569 --> 00:30:06.480 part is just the shelter infrastructure 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:09.250 and when I come back to Denton and I see the few folks that 00:30:09.250 --> 00:30:11.200 we do have waiting for a bus and there's 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:14.569 like nothing and I know I think we talked about this in the 00:30:14.569 --> 00:30:16.319 past I don't know if it's our even 00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:19.349 our jurisdiction or we could do something if you had a more 00:30:19.349 --> 00:30:21.440 pleasant place to wait for the bus I 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.309 know it doesn't solve everything but is that a something we 00:30:25.309 --> 00:30:28.480 could do with this money are we 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:32.809 interested in that I'm leaving so I don't know if I should 00:30:32.809 --> 00:30:35.839 have much of a say in it if but it would 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:39.650 I don't know if the properties within city right away even 00:30:39.650 --> 00:30:42.720 if the bus itself is DCTA operated do we 00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:44.240 do we have a stake there? 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:51.299 I will have to dig into that there's moving pieces there 00:30:51.299 --> 00:30:54.799 yeah yeah I'm sure there's it makes it hard 00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:59.039 but just an idea I know in the past when Eileen Brock was 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:02.240 mayor I think that this was brought up 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:05.950 and discussed quite a bit and some of the city actually I 00:31:05.950 --> 00:31:08.480 don't know if the city partnered with 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:13.569 DCTA or not but they did update some of the bus stops at 00:31:13.569 --> 00:31:16.880 least they had a canopy and a bench 00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:22.460 but it didn't go very far so there has been there's a 00:31:22.460 --> 00:31:26.480 history of trying to fix this problem for sure 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.200 I'm sure the routes have modified as well and I don't know 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.160 if you travel on Ibre ever but that 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.980 gets pretty frequented because most of the bus routes we 00:31:34.980 --> 00:31:36.720 have in town now serves three human 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:40.400 teams and many of our students utilize those routes and if 00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:42.319 you pass by on you know the middle 00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:44.950 of the afternoon there's a degrading human experience 00:31:44.950 --> 00:31:47.039 happening on the side of the road there 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:49.859 where there's candy than 110 degrees and there's 15 people 00:31:49.859 --> 00:31:51.519 waiting on the bus plus you get dropped 00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:54.079 off on this side of what's going to be a six lane road and 00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:56.160 you have to get to that side with no 00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.150 crossing infrastructure at the stop you know so there I'm 00:32:00.150 --> 00:32:02.960 just I don't know if this is this fun 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.079 but there's definitely work to be done eventually it would 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.839 be worth a couple hundred bucks right it 00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:15.480 would be a small I think a small cost would that what would 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.039 you feel about what was the initial 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:21.200 fund amount 00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:28.720 when we when this was we we've had a wide range of 00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:30.880 estimated revenue projections 00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:37.339 the year two was four million I think we planned for four 00:32:37.339 --> 00:32:40.319 million and achieved less than six hundred 00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.700 thousand that year I believe so we were working on the four 00:32:43.700 --> 00:32:46.559 million dollar plan for a period of years 00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:51.539 this would be a completely new work plan that will go to 00:32:51.539 --> 00:32:53.039 council for approval 00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:57.839 whereas the four million dollar multi-year plan we carried 00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:59.279 out over for most of years so 00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:07.509 well would it be out of line to boost this estimate up just 00:33:07.509 --> 00:33:08.640 say another five hundred 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:11.359 thousand dollars since the program is growing 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:17.650 I would have to talk to finance and see what the revenue 00:33:17.650 --> 00:33:20.799 projections are that I would be curious 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.480 because if there's if there's an opportunity to bump it up 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:26.000 even a little I think we should take 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:30.180 advantage of that or perhaps is there a way to have 00:33:30.180 --> 00:33:33.599 alternatives or backups should the ROI 00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:37.839 deliver beyond the estimate would you have to come back for 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.400 to us and the council for approval of 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:43.769 additional items or could we set out here's what we really 00:33:43.769 --> 00:33:45.680 like and should the funds exist to 00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:48.880 deliver them here's kind of a prioritization of how that 00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.200 could pass through we have planned and 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:56.759 estimated higher than revenue projections in the past so so 00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:00.160 we could have more dollars for projects 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:04.569 than what is actually estimated at this point and take that 00:34:04.569 --> 00:34:07.200 it almost could be helpful to have kind 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.889 of tier one our top priorities we like a lot of the 00:34:09.889 --> 00:34:12.719 transportation related projects as you were 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.699 saying we have momentum behind them perhaps there's some 00:34:15.699 --> 00:34:18.239 secondary interests like the bus stop question 00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:22.809 just brought up that if that's allowable just to put that 00:34:22.809 --> 00:34:25.840 in the packet to say tier two if the funds 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:29.500 exist we can do that and then some of our programs are 00:34:29.500 --> 00:34:32.559 scalable so there's additional funding you can 00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:38.309 do a bigger push forward yeah in regard to say something 00:34:38.309 --> 00:34:42.400 like the ev fire truck which was quite 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:49.039 expensive i see that as a foot in the door and ob and of 00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:53.440 course also i don't know what the status 00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:57.429 is now but there in the past there was discussion about 00:34:57.429 --> 00:35:01.199 electrifying the garbage pickup trucks and 00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:07.789 and usually the response rightfully so is is it's not 00:35:07.789 --> 00:35:09.360 financially feasible yet 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:17.199 so i wondered if if if these projects are like the fire 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:20.719 trucks electrification of the city heavy fleet 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:25.889 if that is is becoming becoming more economical and if it 00:35:25.889 --> 00:35:29.920 is is there a say a master plan where 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:36.320 by such and such a time we hope to have this this and this 00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.119 and this and so that we actually have 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:46.360 a a proposed plan of what could be if if the funding is 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:48.719 necessary so that we can say yeah 00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:56.369 waste management would like for sees this and such and such 00:35:56.369 --> 00:36:00.159 and such and such would that would that be 00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:04.880 i think that's something that can be built into our 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:11.920 we need to update our clean policy so i think that that's 00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:14.239 something that's built into that as we work 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:19.679 with fleet on that operationally the trash trucks weren't 00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:22.719 there we tested one truck and 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:29.030 didn't work out great for us but solid waste is open to 00:36:29.030 --> 00:36:31.440 trying those and i think it's good i think 00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:34.139 it helps us i think it helps the manufacturer understand 00:36:34.139 --> 00:36:36.559 where there might have been a limitation 00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:41.360 sure solid waste is open to electrifying other equipment so 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:44.320 there's still opportunities there 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:50.320 they purchased i guess they had four or five evs now that 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:52.559 they purchased without assistance from 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:58.940 dme has moved to some electric pto on some of the smaller 00:36:58.940 --> 00:37:01.440 bucket trucks and they're great 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:04.260 they can hear each other now you know it's amazing it's 00:37:04.260 --> 00:37:06.400 like hey i can hear the guy on the ground 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:10.760 talking to me so they're having good luck with them good 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.440 and i think as we get more in the fleet 00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:19.170 folks are seeing that they work and really enjoying them i 00:37:19.170 --> 00:37:22.880 've noticed that the more e-bikes 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:27.199 you see around the more people start talking about and you 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:29.599 start thinking well i can do that 00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.639 you know so that's the same way with lawn equipment yeah i 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:34.719 see you out mowing your lawn and 00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.360 it doesn't smell and it's not noisy where'd you get that 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.719 yeah what was interesting to me on that 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:45.900 graph was the highest response was people and they bought 00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:49.519 them for low maintenance that was a 00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.949 practical reason of it they bought one more thing on the 00:37:52.949 --> 00:37:55.920 low water use stadium pilot is that restricted 00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:59.969 right now to city streets like city right away is do we 00:37:59.969 --> 00:38:03.760 have any influence with denny county or 00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:08.179 text dot for those right away that they maintain we do have 00:38:08.179 --> 00:38:10.800 some some of them we can actually 00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:14.019 we're operating for those text that right so i can work 00:38:14.019 --> 00:38:15.519 with parks those are all the 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:19.239 road people parts department where it is that so we're able 00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.639 to enforce that so the roads that 00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:26.480 they're putting in you know by bonnie bray in 35 i was 00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:29.199 surprised and disappointed see them rolling 00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:38.809 out big rolls of bermuda grass so we need to let you know 00:38:38.809 --> 00:38:42.719 whether we want to carry over existing 00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:48.289 programs etc etc or a mix of ongoing and one-time projects 00:38:48.289 --> 00:38:52.159 anybody have any suggestions recommendations 00:38:52.639 --> 00:39:00.269 for me well i would stick largely with what you've got 00:39:00.269 --> 00:39:02.480 because the momentum is going and it seems 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:05.559 like a lot of positive feedback i like this idea maybe 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.000 another tier or maybe a couple of one-time 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:12.289 things you try out just to see but the the bulk of it it 00:39:12.289 --> 00:39:15.360 seems like we're doing a good money 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:19.760 good work with the money so yeah i agree and as long as 00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:23.199 what you said about the possibility of a 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:29.159 one time when when we can say put in another program as a 00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:33.760 test program pilot program and 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:38.789 so that we're continually still growing the money that the 00:39:38.789 --> 00:39:41.599 fund as necessary for our for our needs 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:48.329 but i i agree with adam stay with the uh program as it's 00:39:48.329 --> 00:39:51.920 now okay and i'll go ahead and add to we 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:54.559 had some great conversations over the last few weeks with 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:56.320 our transportation folks and our new 00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:58.780 bike tech coordinator i think we've identified some 00:39:58.780 --> 00:40:00.719 sidewalks and bike lane gaps that we're 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:04.710 going to be able to go in and help fund those connections 00:40:04.710 --> 00:40:07.199 which only helps for all of our e-biking 00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:11.650 pedestrian traffic to have this connectivity have that 00:40:11.650 --> 00:40:12.480 connectivity 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:19.099 does sometimes the last slide says staff recommendation i 00:40:19.099 --> 00:40:22.320 didn't know if it's appropriate 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:26.559 to ask what the what you all think i mean you're you're on 00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:29.760 the day-to-day running this 00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:34.559 i like the programs that we have in place now and i do 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.440 think that the momentum's there 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:39.980 and i don't want to lose any traction with those the 00:40:39.980 --> 00:40:41.920 community is really embracing them 00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:47.119 it's been great i may have a recommendation for a little 00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:49.840 bit of change in the funding levels 00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:54.349 when we started we didn't know that we were going to have 00:40:54.349 --> 00:40:57.519 as much uptake of the e-bike so we thought 00:40:57.519 --> 00:40:59.400 we were going to have a little bit of room there so we may 00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:01.039 want to add a little bit of funding for 00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:08.449 a bike for that low income um e-bike program um i think we 00:41:08.449 --> 00:41:10.320 could do that through vouchers 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.989 i've got some positive feedback about that so that may be a 00:41:14.989 --> 00:41:16.719 recommendation to come back with 00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:20.380 the pilot for that program for next year um it'll be a 00:41:20.380 --> 00:41:22.639 smaller amount but definitely to try to get 00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:28.230 something off the ground i may recommend a little bit less 00:41:28.230 --> 00:41:32.000 money for the minor home repair it's just 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:37.170 a little bit more slow going than than we thought it would 00:41:37.170 --> 00:41:40.320 be remind us when that when did the first 00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:45.489 actions in that program begin this past fiscal um october 00:41:45.489 --> 00:41:48.000 november i believe is when we started 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:51.380 doing the the audits for the applicants i think the 00:41:51.380 --> 00:41:55.599 applicants could apply october 1 maybe and then 00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.590 once they get approved and they go through the the audit 00:41:58.590 --> 00:42:00.559 program we have the energy audit come 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:03.690 back and see what needs to be addressed in the home we run 00:42:03.690 --> 00:42:07.840 into some hiccups with some of the 00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:12.119 older homes with altered duct work don't work well with the 00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:13.599 higher efficiency 00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:17.760 air conditioning units so we're we're trying to figure out 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.239 how much disruption that is and 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:22.880 can you go in and replace the duct work now instead of 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:24.559 going with a lower efficiency 00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:27.690 still something that needs great sense but could we go with 00:42:27.690 --> 00:42:30.480 the 17 instead of the 15.2 if we have 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:33.710 right in the deck as well sorry we're learning which 00:42:33.710 --> 00:42:35.599 department are we working with 00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:43.059 it's the minor home repair program that we're able to add 00:42:43.059 --> 00:42:43.760 that actually 00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:49.360 did you get any feedback from the applicants maybe through 00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:50.079 the surveys 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.099 and things that they suggest be done differently with the 00:42:53.099 --> 00:42:53.599 program 00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:58.969 i can't remember anything off the top of my head kate went 00:42:58.969 --> 00:43:03.119 through the survey results we asked for 00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.269 all right that was a great question we asked mostly for 00:43:12.269 --> 00:43:17.519 pros and cons and if you would 00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:22.139 recommend to the debate but if there's we can reach out and 00:43:22.139 --> 00:43:25.440 ask if there's any additional feedback 00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:31.139 okay because i guess as you said prior the update is pretty 00:43:31.139 --> 00:43:34.079 consistent within a general 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.400 demographic group of population that if we have a strong 00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:39.760 base of support who've engaged in a number 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:42.530 of our programs they might be able to provide some 00:43:42.530 --> 00:43:45.039 substantive feedback to you know what was 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:48.159 working well or not but i guess really we're asking these 00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:50.320 questions like are we missing something 00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:53.980 in where we're allocating these resources but my only 00:43:53.980 --> 00:43:56.880 comment again was if we could explore 00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:59.510 leaving some of that overhead from you guys i think that 00:43:59.510 --> 00:44:00.480 would just kind of help 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:04.579 with the delivery of some of these programs and i'll let 00:44:04.579 --> 00:44:05.599 you guys focus on 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:10.820 what your focus areas are and if possible i will say we 00:44:10.820 --> 00:44:15.119 took the feedback about allowing two e-bikes 00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:18.670 to heart and you know i don't know how many couples get e-b 00:44:18.670 --> 00:44:22.559 ikes together it's really great 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:26.400 like y'all are so nice to each other y'all can go high 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:26.400 right that's great 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:33.130 that's cool anything else um i do recall a while ago we had 00:44:33.130 --> 00:44:35.199 a previous framework 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:38.619 that talked about like local food and now i think that's 00:44:38.619 --> 00:44:42.639 kind of under a land use generally and i 00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:46.449 know citywide there's been a focus on delivering bowling 00:44:46.449 --> 00:44:49.440 green and updating that i'm just curious 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.480 if there's any appetite to me and there was a former staff 00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:55.519 member who called who was really 00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:57.809 working in that area as well and then we seem to have lost 00:44:57.809 --> 00:45:01.039 the staff is there something that we 00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:03.650 could focus on in that area that might be helpful in 00:45:03.650 --> 00:45:06.159 pushing projects or sustaining existing ones 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:11.840 there may be some room to work with parks on additional 00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:16.559 community garden space they're going 00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:20.179 to be using raised beds at bowling areas my understanding 00:45:20.179 --> 00:45:21.920 and i think that may give them a 00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:24.980 better handle on what kind of maintenance will be needed 00:45:24.980 --> 00:45:27.039 going forward so we may be able to push 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.699 that a little bit more we're still doing the level food 00:45:30.699 --> 00:45:33.760 programming we actually have a preserving 00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:37.750 and canning and pickling series of workshops coming up 00:45:37.750 --> 00:45:40.559 partnering with the extension office 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:45.920 it'll be a four-week program and those classes do so well 00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:52.320 is there such a thing as a community pollinator garden 00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:54.320 slash beekeeping community 00:45:55.760 --> 00:46:00.650 that would be cool um what are these city um and we do work 00:46:00.650 --> 00:46:02.960 with the different kind of beekeepers but 00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:10.480 i don't know if there's an opportunity for folks actually 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:13.440 involved in planting and maintaining 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:19.630 we've tried yeah i mean i've always wanted to do that my 00:46:19.630 --> 00:46:20.960 wife won't let me 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:27.840 yeah that's wrong maybe there's other people this city had 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:29.199 them right yeah 00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:32.159 we used to have landfills 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:37.280 any other discussion 00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:43.369 do you have what you need i think so we'll bring a document 00:46:43.369 --> 00:46:45.760 a fleshed out document to you 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:50.400 for adoption for the future great thank you 00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:58.719 all right next to staff staff reports 00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:08.199 over here and grab a different cap um the first memo i 00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:10.159 believe is about the committee 00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:14.559 appointment process um you requested the information about 00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:14.960 that 00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:19.599 and all the committees operate under that board's 00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:23.039 information tan both in those rules 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:32.400 and if there's no questions about that then we can go i had 00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:35.679 one question okay should is it is it 00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:39.579 all right for previous applicants who weren't appointed not 00:47:39.579 --> 00:47:42.880 because they were disproved but 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:46.949 because of the breakdown in the system uh should they apply 00:47:46.949 --> 00:47:47.440 again 00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:51.730 i think anybody who's interested should fill out an 00:47:51.730 --> 00:47:54.000 application okay yeah 00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:02.000 and is it uh i don't sit ask this 00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:10.219 well well is there any has the system been fixed so that 00:48:10.219 --> 00:48:11.920 this breakdown won't happen again 00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:17.809 you know whatever i really don't know what where the 00:48:17.809 --> 00:48:19.039 breakdown was myself 00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:29.829 the the process is council members with vacancies are 00:48:29.829 --> 00:48:33.039 providing the application right and then they 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:39.820 choose to nominate to boards and commissions based on that 00:48:39.820 --> 00:48:41.360 list of applicants 00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:47.010 right because the problem was it's the council some of the 00:48:47.010 --> 00:48:49.119 council people never responded 00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:55.269 to the split at any rate i just hope that that's going to 00:48:55.269 --> 00:48:58.960 be a pass now so i that's good is that 00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:04.000 is that is that allowable uh this is maybe a legal question 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:06.880 if there's a vacancy and it goes to a 00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:11.550 city councilor can they just let it sit there there's no 00:49:11.550 --> 00:49:14.320 mechanism that the city law to 00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:22.179 compel them to fill vacancy what a full interest is long 00:49:22.179 --> 00:49:24.159 one um reticent to provide legal advice 00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:27.440 to the committee well it's just a question i'll look for 00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:29.679 them interpretive question 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:35.920 it's something we can discuss separately if you'd like okay 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:38.719 that's a good way to break down this 00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:46.800 okay thank you for that 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.949 and uh is there another no we just had the memo um 00:49:52.949 --> 00:49:54.559 following up on some matrix items 00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:56.800 and then the matrix 00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:10.800 is there a june we do with the june 00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:17.119 okay anybody have anything for the matrix 00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:23.460 when appropriate we could we request that community 00:50:23.460 --> 00:50:27.039 improvement provide uh just to 00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:30.420 check i'm not familiar with the low-income housing program 00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:32.800 largely and with the what program sorry 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:35.500 the program we just discussed in the work plan the low- 00:50:35.500 --> 00:50:37.679 income housing to go over there um thanks as 00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:37.679 we deliver that which it's a big chunk of our budget it 00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:42.400 would be really cool to kind of see how 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.730 the progress is tracking how the program works what impact 00:50:45.730 --> 00:50:48.079 it's having there's tweaks we might consider 00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.960 leading up into next year's fiscal that would be really 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:53.199 cool 00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:57.840 we can work with them to create that 00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:02.159 anything else 00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:10.849 uh i i have something um would it be possible to uh or has 00:51:10.849 --> 00:51:12.079 it has any 00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:19.610 has there been any discussion or examination of city 00:51:19.610 --> 00:51:21.440 buildings 00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:29.360 municipal buildings that would be good candidates for solar 00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:30.719 installation 00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:36.170 has there been any talk talk about that if not i'd be 00:51:36.170 --> 00:51:39.519 curious to know how many buildings would be 00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:45.440 good for solar installations or and or parking lots too 00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:51.760 we have that presentation from our facilities manager 00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:56.800 where he provided the list of buildings that could possibly 00:51:56.800 --> 00:52:00.000 be yeah an option has there been any 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:04.869 update on that or especially the the parking lot i don't 00:52:04.869 --> 00:52:07.760 know if he discussed parking lots did he 00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:12.829 i don't recall i'm i think the back end is just check yeah 00:52:12.829 --> 00:52:13.840 presentation yeah 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:27.039 anybody anything else 00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:39.719 all right with that at what time is it 152 152 at 152 we 00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:44.719 will adjourn all in favor of a journey 00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:50.719 we are