1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,599 Good afternoon. This is the meeting of the Sustainability 2 00:00:06,599 --> 00:00:09,839 Framework Advisory Committee 3 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:17,920 on May 27, 2026. We have a quorum today, so we will proceed 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,600 with approval of February 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:30,079 25, 2026 minutes. Any discussion regarding those minutes? 6 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:35,119 Any motions to approve? Okay, 7 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:38,659 Mr. Helms, seconded by Mr. Richter. All in favor of 8 00:00:38,659 --> 00:00:45,600 approval? Second item, item B is 9 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:51,500 to consider approval of the March 25, 2026 meeting. Any 10 00:00:51,500 --> 00:00:54,640 discussion? Motions to approve? 11 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:59,130 Motion to approve. No. Second. Richter. All in favor of 12 00:00:59,130 --> 00:01:02,560 approving? Aye. I've got abstain, 13 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,340 I think, from these ones. Okay. Mr. Briegel is abstaining 14 00:01:07,340 --> 00:01:09,359 because he was not present. 15 00:01:09,359 --> 00:01:15,780 Do I, I mean that's a process question, I guess. So, you 16 00:01:15,780 --> 00:01:19,200 know, if you wish to abstain, 17 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:25,519 that's permissible for you to do that. Okay. Dr. Briegel 18 00:01:25,519 --> 00:01:31,680 abstains. Item C, oh wait, did we 19 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,670 vote on that? Yeah, we did. Item C, receipt will be court 20 00:01:35,670 --> 00:01:37,680 hold discussion and give staff 21 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:43,769 direction on the update of 2024-2025 fiscal year and 2025- 22 00:01:43,769 --> 00:01:48,319 2026 fiscal year to date, sustainability 23 00:01:48,319 --> 00:01:52,670 framework fund incentive programs. The sustainability 24 00:01:52,670 --> 00:01:56,000 framework fund incentives programs estimated 25 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,280 greenhouse gas emissions reduction. And we're by discussion 26 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,280 . Mr. Chair, did you do the April 27 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:06,560 22 minutes? I thought I did. No, we did too. We did do the 28 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,280 April 22. Oh, it's not, what, 29 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:18,889 oh no wonder. I had the April 22 agenda. Pardon me. Okay. 30 00:02:18,889 --> 00:02:24,319 Third, consider approval of the April 31 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:30,389 22, 2026 minutes. Any discussion? Any motions? Motion to 32 00:02:30,389 --> 00:02:33,439 approve. Seconded. Dr. Briegel? 33 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,599 Abstaining? I could vote. You want me to approve these? 34 00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:41,599 Yeah. It's not what I want you to do, 35 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:45,650 it's what you want to do. Yeah, no, I'll vote for this one. 36 00:02:45,650 --> 00:02:47,680 Yeah. Okay. So majority 37 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:54,449 in favor of adopting those minutes of April 22. Now, the 38 00:02:54,449 --> 00:02:58,159 next item is to receive a report, 39 00:02:58,159 --> 00:03:01,629 hold a discussion and give staff direction on the update of 40 00:03:01,629 --> 00:03:05,280 the 2024-2025 fiscal year 41 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:11,969 and 2025-2026 fiscal year to date, sustainability framework 42 00:03:11,969 --> 00:03:14,560 fund incentive programs, estimated 43 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:19,680 greenhouse gas emissions reduction. We have a presentation. 44 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:26,879 All right. Good afternoon, 45 00:03:26,879 --> 00:03:29,909 committee, committee chair. My name is Caitlin Mather. I'm 46 00:03:29,909 --> 00:03:31,360 one of the conservation program 47 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,379 coordinators in the sustainability division. It's a bit of 48 00:03:35,379 --> 00:03:37,280 a mouthful, but I want to talk 49 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,479 to you guys about the sustainability framework fund 50 00:03:39,479 --> 00:03:42,719 incentive program, the results and greenhouse 51 00:03:42,719 --> 00:03:46,710 gas emissions avoidance from starting last fiscal year 52 00:03:46,710 --> 00:03:48,800 through quarter two of this current 53 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,419 fiscal year. So just a brief background, mostly for those 54 00:03:53,419 --> 00:03:56,000 watching at home, the sustainability 55 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,879 framework advisory committee was established to advise on 56 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:00,560 the implementation of the city's 57 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,770 sustainability framework, which is a living document. And 58 00:04:03,770 --> 00:04:06,080 the sustainability framework 59 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,990 fund, its revenues and expenditures is adopted annually as 60 00:04:08,990 --> 00:04:11,039 part of the annual program of services. 61 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:15,530 And the framework fund provides funding for many one time 62 00:04:15,530 --> 00:04:17,279 and ongoing projects, including 63 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,459 our ongoing residential incentives for electric vehicles or 64 00:04:21,459 --> 00:04:23,839 EVs, as well as e-bikes and electric 65 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,379 lawn equipment. And these programs are meant to incentivize 66 00:04:27,379 --> 00:04:29,360 and encourage city residents 67 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,850 to reduce emissions from gasoline power transportation and 68 00:04:32,850 --> 00:04:38,000 the water. So this table right here shows the 69 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:43,230 rebates awarded by fiscal year. So just a reminder, the EV 70 00:04:43,230 --> 00:04:45,680 and e-bike rebates were originally 71 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,490 offered as part of the greensense energy efficiency 72 00:04:48,490 --> 00:04:51,120 incentive program. This program was funded by 73 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,120 Denton municipal electric and starting last fiscal year in 74 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,160 the spring, the rebates were relaunched 75 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,420 as part of their own incentive program. And the electric 76 00:04:59,420 --> 00:05:02,480 lawn equipment program started as a pilot 77 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,680 last summer and last fiscal year. And so far, what's 78 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,759 looking like just like last fiscal year, 79 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:14,180 we will, we are on track to reach the funding expenditures 80 00:05:14,180 --> 00:05:16,399 for electric lawn equipment. 81 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:19,720 It's looking like that will be the case for e-bike and we 82 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,199 are seeing an increase. 83 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:24,079 It isn't the same, it doesn't show it. It's a little old, 84 00:05:24,079 --> 00:05:27,439 but we are, we are having an increased 85 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:29,759 EV applications as well. 86 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:34,459 So to help gauge performance of the framework fund 87 00:05:34,459 --> 00:05:38,000 incentives, staff sent out surveys 88 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,139 to recipients of the framework fund incentives. These 89 00:05:41,139 --> 00:05:43,680 surveys were designed to gather information 90 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,490 to better estimate greenhouse gas emissions avoided by each 91 00:05:47,490 --> 00:05:49,759 rebate type. Rebates provided, 92 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:53,269 sorry, respondents provided information like vehicle trips, 93 00:05:53,269 --> 00:05:54,879 miles traveled round trip, 94 00:05:54,879 --> 00:05:57,990 use of e-bikes in place of gas powered vehicles and use of 95 00:05:57,990 --> 00:05:59,759 electric in place of gasoline 96 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:05,279 lawn equipment. So we had a lot of surveys distributed and 97 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:06,879 even though we only have about 98 00:06:06,879 --> 00:06:10,620 30, 40 percent response rate, it was just in a few weeks. 99 00:06:10,620 --> 00:06:12,160 So we had a lot of people reaching 100 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,279 out and talking with us about these rebates. 101 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:20,639 Excuse me, could we possibly get copies of what these 102 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:24,000 surveys were, what the questions were and 103 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,319 percentage of the answers and that sort of thing? 104 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:26,879 Of course. 105 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:27,379 Yeah. 106 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:28,740 Thank you. 107 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,660 So next I'll just go over some survey highlights and some 108 00:06:34,660 --> 00:06:38,800 greenhouse gas emissions estimates. 109 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,689 Again, these are estimates just like we did for the Green 110 00:06:41,689 --> 00:06:43,279 Sense rebates a while back. 111 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,689 So between last fiscal year and through quarter two of this 112 00:06:47,689 --> 00:06:50,480 fiscal year, there were 135 113 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,000 EV rebates awarded. So how did I go about calculating 114 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,759 emissions avoided? So the EPA 115 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:00,819 reports that the average gasoline powered car produces 116 00:07:00,819 --> 00:07:02,879 about 4.6 metric tons of carbon 117 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:07,730 dioxide in a year or about 8,900 grams of carbon dioxide 118 00:07:07,730 --> 00:07:09,360 per mile. And again, this is 119 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,319 just carbon dioxide. This is not including the other 120 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:14,480 emissions associated with car exhausts 121 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,600 like NOx or volatile organic compounds, things like that. 122 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,519 And then the Federal Highway 123 00:07:19,519 --> 00:07:22,060 Administration reports that the average Texan drives 124 00:07:22,060 --> 00:07:24,480 approximately 15,000 miles in a year. 125 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,160 Texas is big, we really like to travel. 126 00:07:27,759 --> 00:07:31,439 And then of course the average fuel economy of the average 127 00:07:31,439 --> 00:07:33,040 gasoline powered car is about 128 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:38,889 25 miles per gallon. So using this math and looking at the 129 00:07:38,889 --> 00:07:40,800 135 EV rebates awarded, 130 00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:47,189 these rebates helped contribute to the avoidance of 500,909 131 00:07:47,189 --> 00:07:50,000 tons of carbon dioxide in one year. 132 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,839 And then we've got some interesting survey highlights down 133 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:57,600 below. So starting on the left, 134 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,079 figure one, majority of our survey respondents, about 86% 135 00:08:02,079 --> 00:08:06,079 of the ones that completed the survey 136 00:08:06,079 --> 00:08:09,889 report that they travel anywhere from one to 50 miles per 137 00:08:09,889 --> 00:08:13,600 day. And then figure two on the right 138 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,980 shows the percentage of trips made using an EV are survey 139 00:08:16,980 --> 00:08:20,240 recipients. Majority of them are using it 140 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,600 for at least a quarter of their trips, if not every trip. 141 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,000 Can I ask another question real quick? 142 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:32,700 I have owned an electric vehicle since 2019 and I haven't, 143 00:08:32,700 --> 00:08:34,559 I didn't receive a 144 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:39,879 survey. Is there a reason why it was certain, just a random 145 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:42,879 selection or how was that done? 146 00:08:44,639 --> 00:08:47,690 So we can check. We can check, yeah. Okay, I appreciate it. 147 00:08:47,690 --> 00:08:49,519 Thanks. Of course. 148 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,529 Next we'll go into the e-bike. So these are conservative 149 00:08:57,529 --> 00:09:00,879 estimates. So between last fiscal 150 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:03,690 year and through quarter two of this fiscal year, there are 151 00:09:03,690 --> 00:09:05,360 188 e-bike rebates awarded. 152 00:09:06,159 --> 00:09:10,549 And nearly half of the respondents of the survey that have 153 00:09:10,549 --> 00:09:12,399 received an e-bike rebate 154 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,580 report using their bike to travel around one to five miles 155 00:09:16,580 --> 00:09:18,960 round trip. So in figure three on the 156 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,799 top right hand side, these are our survey results. And 157 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:27,840 again, 28 people total, nearly 50% report 158 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,919 at least using their bike for one to five miles round trip. 159 00:09:30,919 --> 00:09:32,960 We've got several that are reporting 160 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:37,730 using their e-bike even further. But if we use the same 161 00:09:37,730 --> 00:09:40,639 math that we use for the electric vehicle 162 00:09:40,639 --> 00:09:44,360 greenhouse gas emissions avoidance, and we just look at the 163 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,279 28 respondents who report traveling 164 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:52,250 at least five miles round trip, this is equivalent to the 165 00:09:52,250 --> 00:09:56,480 avoidance of 33.46 tons of carbon dioxide. 166 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,649 Again, this is a very conservative estimate and it's just 167 00:09:59,649 --> 00:10:02,399 based on the 28 respondents who 168 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:06,480 reported traveling at least five miles round trip. And then 169 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:13,120 figure four on the left of our e-bike 170 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,210 rebate recipients who completed the survey, they report 171 00:10:16,210 --> 00:10:18,720 that they primarily use their e-bike to 172 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,789 commute to work or school, running errands, either 173 00:10:22,789 --> 00:10:26,960 exercising or fitness or other forms of recreation. 174 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,230 And of the recipients who listed other, they say all of the 175 00:10:31,230 --> 00:10:32,799 above, which we love to see. 176 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,360 And then figure five on the bottom right hand corner shows 177 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,279 of the survey respondents, 178 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:44,279 they report almost 50% report using their e-bike at least a 179 00:10:44,279 --> 00:10:45,120 few times a week. 180 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,399 Almost 30% report using it at least daily. 181 00:10:53,919 --> 00:10:55,370 And then finally we'll talk a little bit about the electric 182 00:10:55,370 --> 00:10:57,279 lawn equipment. 183 00:10:57,279 --> 00:11:00,110 So most people don't think of lawn equipment when they 184 00:11:00,110 --> 00:11:01,600 think of air pollution, but it's a 185 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,929 large contributor to greenhouse gas emissions in the local 186 00:11:03,929 --> 00:11:04,639 environment. 187 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,059 The research is a little spotty. So of the research 188 00:11:10,059 --> 00:11:13,039 available, some of them are EPA reports. 189 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,070 EPA reports one hour of operating a new gas powered lawn m 190 00:11:17,070 --> 00:11:18,720 ower emits the same amount of 191 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,360 volatile organic compounds and nitrogen oxide that's 192 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,039 driving a new car 45 miles. 193 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:27,549 Additionally, the emissions from powering a two stroke gas 194 00:11:27,549 --> 00:11:30,240 stream trimmer for just one hour is 195 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,269 equivalent to driving a gas powered car for approximately 196 00:11:33,269 --> 00:11:34,399 300 miles. 197 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,129 So based on the limited research available on emissions 198 00:11:39,129 --> 00:11:40,799 from gas powered lawn equipment, 199 00:11:40,799 --> 00:11:43,490 we can conclude that just from the lawn mower rebates and 200 00:11:43,490 --> 00:11:45,440 stream trimmer rebates alone, 201 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:51,519 which is 366, these electric lawn equipment purchases help 202 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:54,720 to avoid approximately 11,617 203 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,929 tons of carbon dioxide from being emitted to the 204 00:11:56,929 --> 00:11:57,759 environment. 205 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,200 Again, these are very conservative estimates. 206 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,759 It is likely the greenhouse gas emissions avoidance is a 207 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:07,440 lot higher if we include it 208 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,879 in the other rebates. Quick question on the second bullet 209 00:12:10,879 --> 00:12:12,639 point, it just says emissions. 210 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,799 Is that VOC and NO like the first bullet point? It's a 211 00:12:16,799 --> 00:12:19,919 great question. I believe it's carbon 212 00:12:19,919 --> 00:12:23,360 dioxide, but I can confirm. Okay. Thank you. 213 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,480 All right. And again, these are conservative estimates just 214 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:33,919 based on the limited data that's 215 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:37,299 available. That's the only, I only included electric lawn 216 00:12:37,299 --> 00:12:39,120 equipment and stream trimmers. 217 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,450 And figure nine shows from our survey respondents, many of 218 00:12:44,450 --> 00:12:47,200 them report they choosing electric over 219 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,269 gasoline powered lawn equipment. Reasons for choosing 220 00:12:51,269 --> 00:12:54,240 electric, they like the lower maintenance. 221 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,850 They like the quieter operation. It's lightweight and 222 00:12:56,850 --> 00:12:59,039 easier to handle. So it's more inclusive. 223 00:13:00,159 --> 00:13:03,539 And then finally, throughout all of our rebate types, our 224 00:13:03,539 --> 00:13:06,720 respondents reports that environmental 225 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,529 health benefits are the main contributor to choosing 226 00:13:09,529 --> 00:13:10,240 electric. 227 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:15,620 I'm assuming in the survey, they were able to select 228 00:13:15,620 --> 00:13:18,159 multiple responses. 229 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:20,799 Yes, that was a mistake on my part. No, no. 230 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:23,350 Yes, there were multiple respondents. So it's used the 231 00:13:23,350 --> 00:13:24,320 results a little. 232 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,700 Okay. So this is reflective of all the respondents 233 00:13:27,700 --> 00:13:28,399 selecting 234 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:31,919 all the reasons that they elected to come to the reading. 235 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:34,639 Yes, that was an oversight on my part, but they also had an 236 00:13:34,639 --> 00:13:36,879 open response where people could type 237 00:13:36,879 --> 00:13:41,940 in what they wanted, I believe. And it just corroborates 238 00:13:41,940 --> 00:13:43,519 the results that we have. 239 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,789 All right. And finally, an additional $50 is awarded to 240 00:13:51,789 --> 00:13:53,840 residents who purchase an electric 241 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,700 lawnmower and subsequently disposed of their existing gas 242 00:13:56,700 --> 00:13:58,559 powered lawnmower, either through 243 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,519 a curbside pickup or a drop off at home chemical collection 244 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:04,080 . So this table shows the number of 245 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,740 lawnmower rebates awarded by fiscal year and the number of 246 00:14:07,740 --> 00:14:11,600 turn-ins. I want to make a note that 247 00:14:12,159 --> 00:14:16,159 the 83 reported for this fiscal year is the correct number, 248 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:19,120 not 85 that's on your agenda. 249 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:25,009 And so of the 262 total residents who received an electric 250 00:14:25,009 --> 00:14:28,720 lawnmower rebate, 73 of which disposed 251 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,340 of their existing gas powered lawnmowers. So that's about 252 00:14:32,340 --> 00:14:34,960 28%, which further ensures that these gas 253 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,429 powered lawnmowers are not being in use in the community to 254 00:14:37,429 --> 00:14:39,360 air pollution in our local environment. 255 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:44,559 And we can see it's really starting to pick up the 256 00:14:44,559 --> 00:14:46,240 popularity of turning in the gas powered 257 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,240 lawnmower. We can see in this fiscal year compared to this 258 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,120 time last year, we're getting more people 259 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,600 that are turning in their existing gas powered lawnmower. 260 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,159 Did anything change with the incentive 261 00:14:56,159 --> 00:14:58,580 or did it just happen? I think just with the word getting 262 00:14:58,580 --> 00:15:01,440 out. Yeah. You know, last year was the pilot 263 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,909 program. So the word's getting out and people are taking 264 00:15:04,909 --> 00:15:09,519 advantage of it. So finally, some next steps. 265 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:11,889 We're just continuing with all of our rebate programs. We 266 00:15:11,889 --> 00:15:13,600 're continuing to track effectiveness, 267 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,799 program allocations and continuing to live up to the 268 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:18,399 program as needed. And we're continuing 269 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:21,309 working to identify opportunities for municipal operations 270 00:15:21,309 --> 00:15:22,879 to incorporate electric lawnmower 271 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:26,009 and move to our inventory. And with that, I thank you very 272 00:15:26,009 --> 00:15:28,000 much for your time and I'll take any questions. 273 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,000 Any questions? 274 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,450 I guess I'm just kind of curious because just by the 275 00:15:36,450 --> 00:15:39,120 numbers and I understand the 276 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,090 purpose of this was just to kind of explore the direct 277 00:15:42,090 --> 00:15:43,919 impact as best as we can assume 278 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:47,360 for what these rebates are getting us for avoided emissions 279 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,320 . If we were to go kind of crazy with this 280 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,620 and look at, you know, all the wraparound needs or 281 00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:57,519 infrastructure costs, I guess for the record, 282 00:15:57,519 --> 00:16:00,700 just looking at the numbers, it would show that our EV 283 00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:03,440 program is really good at avoided emissions 284 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,769 compared to an E-bike program. When if you look at the 285 00:16:06,769 --> 00:16:09,039 total embodied carbon of the construction of 286 00:16:09,039 --> 00:16:12,210 the car or the infrastructure needs for that vehicle, it 287 00:16:12,210 --> 00:16:14,159 just feels like we're waiting at like, 288 00:16:14,159 --> 00:16:19,679 oh more EVs you guys. That I'm just curious for what we're 289 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:22,159 interested in regarding the 290 00:16:22,159 --> 00:16:24,600 impact of what we're doing with these rebates. Is there 291 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,320 some way that you would consider the 292 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:30,330 total value perhaps in a dollar term or however we'd like 293 00:16:30,330 --> 00:16:33,440 to think about it for what might help us 294 00:16:34,799 --> 00:16:38,009 prioritize or direct additional programming to each of 295 00:16:38,009 --> 00:16:40,399 these different categories? Like is there 296 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:43,440 some sort of equivalency we could consider that might just 297 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:44,799 make it a little more even 298 00:16:45,519 --> 00:16:49,720 for each of the separate? Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah 299 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,879 we can look into that and look at equivalencies. 300 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:58,080 Because yeah we're just looking at direct emissions within 301 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,240 the city. Right, yeah right. 302 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,740 Yeah I just wanted to say I'm sort of in a way on the 303 00:17:05,740 --> 00:17:08,079 ground floor of this program because 304 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:14,240 my wife and I were adamant pushers of this, gosh I don't 305 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,079 know how many years ago, but I just want 306 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:19,109 to say that's not the point of what I'm saying. It's great 307 00:17:19,109 --> 00:17:21,119 to see that from that perspective the 308 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,109 progress that is being made and I thank you for all the 309 00:17:25,109 --> 00:17:28,960 work that goes into this and I hope we 310 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,099 will continue, I know we will continue to build upon this 311 00:17:32,099 --> 00:17:34,400 because it's a great great positive thing 312 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,720 for the city and it's really setting an example for what we 313 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,519 need to do in the future. Thank you. 314 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,710 Can you tell if these are repeat applicants or are they new 315 00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:50,480 applicants? Is that something that you ask? 316 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:57,380 Yes we can tell. For the different rebates they can apply 317 00:17:57,380 --> 00:18:02,000 for multiple rebates. For the e-bikes 318 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:08,640 you can get two per home so we do account for duplicates. I 319 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,400 'll just add that we are seeing a 320 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,680 lot of crossover from rebate programs. We may get them in 321 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,319 the door on an EV or e-bike and they get 322 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:22,109 long and then vice versa. I personally was not answering 323 00:18:22,109 --> 00:18:24,640 your question but we've just seen since 324 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,009 we've launched our new sustainability incentives webpage 325 00:18:28,009 --> 00:18:30,319 they're all on one landing page. We've 326 00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:39,359 seen a lot of crossover. Anything else? Thanks. Thank you. 327 00:18:42,559 --> 00:18:46,759 Okay our next item is to receive a report, hold a 328 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:50,160 discussion and give staff direction regarding 329 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,819 projects and programs and prioritize funding for the 330 00:18:53,819 --> 00:18:57,839 development of a fiscal year 2026-2027 331 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,160 sustainability framework fund work plan for city council 332 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,599 consideration. 333 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,599 Okay. 334 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:23,759 I'm going to take this one today even though it says Jalisa 335 00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:28,640 . We've changed back and forth on this 336 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:28,640 one a couple of times. So today I really want this to be a 337 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:34,880 conversation about the framework fund work 338 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,190 plan. Sorry I was writing my notes. I'll go through a few 339 00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:42,400 highlights for us to think about as part of our 340 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:43,039 conversation 341 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:45,640 but that I really want to get the committee's feedback. So 342 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,680 just some highlights. Framework 343 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,670 fund was established in 2021. It's guided by the annual 344 00:19:53,670 --> 00:19:55,920 work plan and funding is adopted as part 345 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:01,930 of the annual program of services. For 26-27 we do not have 346 00:20:01,930 --> 00:20:04,960 a budget estimate yet but we're going to 347 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,470 work with a planning budget of a million which is what we 348 00:20:07,470 --> 00:20:09,279 've used for this past planning window. 349 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,319 We can look at a mix of ongoing and one-time projects and 350 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:17,200 then discuss caring over our existing programs. 351 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:26,069 So on the ongoing projects and programs we have 150,000 352 00:20:26,069 --> 00:20:29,519 identified for EV rebates, 100 for e-bike, 353 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:34,900 100 for lawn. The minor home repair efficiency program we 354 00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:37,599 have 350 budgeted for that. It's had 355 00:20:37,599 --> 00:20:40,410 a little bit of a slow start. We're not going to reach that 356 00:20:40,410 --> 00:20:43,440 but we're seeing a lot of movement 357 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,500 for the homes that we are working with. It's interesting to 358 00:20:46,500 --> 00:20:47,519 see what needs to be 359 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,779 addressed in these minor repair homes. And then the air 360 00:20:52,779 --> 00:20:56,240 quality monitors ongoing maintenance and repairs. 361 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,369 And while we're here I'll just go ahead and update where we 362 00:21:01,369 --> 00:21:05,039 are on EV. We're at 89,000 on EV 363 00:21:05,039 --> 00:21:10,160 rebates right now, paid and pending. We're at 78,600 on e- 364 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,720 bike. We're at 70,500 on lawn. 365 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:20,319 Yeah I have reasons too that you don't think that I am. 366 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,640 The city fleet support. We have four or five new EV 367 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,799 vehicles that we've helped support this budget 368 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:34,589 year. I think one more coming. We bought another round of 369 00:21:34,589 --> 00:21:37,039 the park's electric mowers. Those are 370 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:40,619 working fabulously for them so they bought an additional 371 00:21:40,619 --> 00:21:42,640 round of those and we'll carry that 372 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,779 forward into the next budget year. We've committed to three 373 00:21:45,779 --> 00:21:48,319 years of those mower purchases. And then 374 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:51,359 we're working with parks on identifying. We've identified a 375 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,200 handful of median projects that we 376 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,670 want to do for the low water use. It's going to be an 377 00:21:56,670 --> 00:21:59,519 interesting mix. Some are full sun where we're 378 00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:02,950 going to try some buffalo grass. Others are plantings in 379 00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:05,440 shade areas. Some of it's on carrel. So 380 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,759 there'll be a mix around town where we can try different 381 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:09,119 tactics and see what works. 382 00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:16,799 Okay and that moves into the discussion. 383 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:25,039 Do you have any feedback about ongoing, existing? 384 00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:30,670 Just kind of picking your brain a little bit on the fleet 385 00:22:30,670 --> 00:22:35,279 support. Just in your conversations with 386 00:22:35,279 --> 00:22:40,160 I guess it's supposed to procurement mostly. Is that 387 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,680 triggering an actual opt-in where we would 388 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,599 have gone for a combustion engine? We are going to go for 389 00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:48,640 an EV because that support exists or 390 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,960 it's already in some plan a fleet to lean in that direction 391 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,680 with their much more significant budget 392 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,829 than our sustainability fund? The sustainability fund is 393 00:23:00,829 --> 00:23:03,680 just to help with that income and cost. 394 00:23:04,319 --> 00:23:07,549 So if they have a vehicle replacement funded and they need 395 00:23:07,549 --> 00:23:10,240 additional to go to an EV, what we've 396 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,720 done is 10 percent of that cost roughly is about that 397 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,759 increase that you would see to go from 398 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,299 the internal combustion to EV. So that's what we're 399 00:23:22,299 --> 00:23:23,279 focusing on. 400 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,710 As we get more EVs in the fleet, I think we'll see more 401 00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:29,839 departments asking for them. 402 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:33,779 Right now it's more we're making that option available and 403 00:23:33,779 --> 00:23:35,440 we're trying to encourage them 404 00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:38,730 to to choose an EV option whenever they go for fleet repl 405 00:23:38,730 --> 00:23:39,359 acements. 406 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,119 Hope to have a little bit more push behind that going 407 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:46,960 forward. 408 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,480 Right now it's just an option for fleet to go with EV. All 409 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,160 right thank you. I have a question. 410 00:24:01,279 --> 00:24:02,970 Are the sustainability framework fund and the green sense 411 00:24:02,970 --> 00:24:07,039 fund separate? Yes. Okay. 412 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:12,710 And just a reminder for everybody, green sense is the 413 00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:17,599 energy efficiency portion of the incentives 414 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:21,029 and then the framework fund are the air quality related. 415 00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:22,480 Great. And the mic. 416 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,789 Catherine, those dollar amounts, were they just were they 417 00:24:29,789 --> 00:24:32,079 tied to any kind of emission reduction 418 00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:36,740 goals or are they just arbitrary? They're not tied to the 419 00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:40,319 plan. And then the $7,500 for the air quality 420 00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:46,039 monitors, what does that buy exactly? That helps cover the 421 00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:51,759 ongoing data fees and then some maintenance 422 00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:56,000 that we have to perform to replace the payout sensors. Okay 423 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,440 . Things like that. Okay can we just 424 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,769 so big picture we've got most of the money going towards 425 00:25:03,769 --> 00:25:06,480 incentivizing electrification 426 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:13,960 in one way or another right and then another big chunk for 427 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,480 water basically water reduction. 428 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,089 And I'm just like you wanted to have a big picture 429 00:25:22,089 --> 00:25:24,240 conversation so I'm looking at our focus areas 430 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,890 like in the sustainability framework plan. It kind of makes 431 00:25:28,890 --> 00:25:31,680 I'm just wondering like does it make sense? 432 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,829 Well the electrification touches on a lot of those focus 433 00:25:34,829 --> 00:25:36,960 areas so I feel like that is a good way to 434 00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:41,700 spend the money right energy air quality right with those 435 00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:42,559 emissions. 436 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,769 It helps us reach our climate goals right the and 437 00:25:49,769 --> 00:25:52,720 transportation some of those goals. 438 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,440 What's not represented maybe worth discussing is maybe more 439 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,160 land use 440 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,430 ways to spend that money and also like materials management 441 00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:03,920 but maybe 442 00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:09,019 that's not where this money is best spent. Plus there's 443 00:26:09,019 --> 00:26:12,240 like we have these programs going already 444 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,609 so they they get their own momentum and it kind of makes 445 00:26:14,609 --> 00:26:16,240 sense like Ed is saying to build on 446 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,750 what we have and it does seem like it's going well so I'm 447 00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:21,680 not proposing that we make radical 448 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,339 changes just in the spirit of you saying we could have a 449 00:26:25,339 --> 00:26:27,519 discussion about maybe some of the focus 450 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:32,839 areas that aren't represented. The the medians tie the 451 00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:37,680 water in land use so I think that that 452 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,789 I think that's going to be a good program it's just taking 453 00:26:41,789 --> 00:26:43,759 a little bit more time to get off the ground 454 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,849 looking at other land use. When you start looking at the 455 00:26:50,849 --> 00:26:52,480 budget available 456 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,200 it's not a big impact on a lot of land use projects 457 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,720 and there may be money in other budgets that address those 458 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,200 right instead of the framework right. 459 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,920 I think I share that perspective frankly I feel that 460 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,319 perhaps it's more of the jurisdiction of P&Z 461 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:15,160 and council to make land use decisions and land use 462 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,160 management decisions than our fund as small as it 463 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,839 is I think we do have the most direct impact in as you said 464 00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:24,240 like meeting that last step that last 465 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,390 mile of I was evaluating buying a new combustion mower and 466 00:27:28,390 --> 00:27:31,200 this incentive is here that I'm going 467 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,109 to switch over this and perhaps that build up the momentum 468 00:27:34,109 --> 00:27:35,920 you mentioned of more people on bikes, 469 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,609 more people need these helps guide the more general 470 00:27:38,609 --> 00:27:41,200 conceptualizations of how we engage in 471 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,579 space around town. Well I agree yeah it's proportional to 472 00:27:44,579 --> 00:27:47,200 what we have access to in these resources that 473 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,460 I don't know if we can really step into that. I mean I 474 00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:51,039 think it's good it's a bit extra I should 475 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:54,509 think to rethink it all but I agree that it seems like we 476 00:27:54,509 --> 00:27:56,880 're it is a limited pot of money but it's 477 00:27:57,599 --> 00:28:01,119 with what little we have I think we're doing really good. 478 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:08,309 I'll just add that whenever I add in the green sense reb 479 00:28:08,309 --> 00:28:12,319 ates we have already processed 1227 rebate 480 00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:19,190 applications this year. Wow. Wow. 665,000 of that is green 481 00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:23,039 sense but we've paid over 900,000 482 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,200 already rebates to community this year. 483 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,720 I'll jump off of that I have been thinking I mean we've 484 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,079 been here for you know five six years almost 485 00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:39,119 working with this pot of money in these programs and that's 486 00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:41,279 grown a lot over the years and that's 487 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:45,279 great we are feel having a more direct impact on residents 488 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:48,160 but perhaps also we keep adding 489 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,349 workload to the office and I'm just curious if there's any 490 00:28:52,349 --> 00:28:54,960 interest in perhaps taking a portion 491 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,180 of this and helping you guys with staff line even I don't 492 00:28:58,180 --> 00:29:00,240 know how that works but perhaps like an 493 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,259 internship even just to help you guys process the volume of 494 00:29:03,259 --> 00:29:05,200 applications that we keep dumping on 495 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,069 you guys over the years and you know say the ROI of the 496 00:29:08,069 --> 00:29:10,319 funds this account keeps growing and these 497 00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:13,640 projects keep getting larger or we add new more ambitious 498 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,920 things it's a lot of overhead and admin 499 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,910 load that I don't I don't want to add additional burdens to 500 00:29:18,910 --> 00:29:20,880 staff who might have other roles and 501 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,200 positions or focuses that that feels a little uneven is 502 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,440 that something that would be welcome or helpful? 503 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:32,400 I don't know we will have to see if that's even possible 504 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,799 the way that the fund was established. 505 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,119 If you're able to find that out I would love to explain. 506 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:50,009 Sorry this is a good point I didn't think about that. A one 507 00:29:50,009 --> 00:29:52,720 -time project I spent a lot of the last 508 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,099 few months over in Sweden where public transportation is 509 00:29:56,099 --> 00:29:58,960 amazing. Part of what makes it great is 510 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,569 of course the frequency of the buses running but another 511 00:30:02,569 --> 00:30:06,480 part is just the shelter infrastructure 512 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,250 and when I come back to Denton and I see the few folks that 513 00:30:09,250 --> 00:30:11,200 we do have waiting for a bus and there's 514 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,569 like nothing and I know I think we talked about this in the 515 00:30:14,569 --> 00:30:16,319 past I don't know if it's our even 516 00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:19,349 our jurisdiction or we could do something if you had a more 517 00:30:19,349 --> 00:30:21,440 pleasant place to wait for the bus I 518 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,309 know it doesn't solve everything but is that a something we 519 00:30:25,309 --> 00:30:28,480 could do with this money are we 520 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,809 interested in that I'm leaving so I don't know if I should 521 00:30:32,809 --> 00:30:35,839 have much of a say in it if but it would 522 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,650 I don't know if the properties within city right away even 523 00:30:39,650 --> 00:30:42,720 if the bus itself is DCTA operated do we 524 00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:44,240 do we have a stake there? 525 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,299 I will have to dig into that there's moving pieces there 526 00:30:51,299 --> 00:30:54,799 yeah yeah I'm sure there's it makes it hard 527 00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:59,039 but just an idea I know in the past when Eileen Brock was 528 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,240 mayor I think that this was brought up 529 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,950 and discussed quite a bit and some of the city actually I 530 00:31:05,950 --> 00:31:08,480 don't know if the city partnered with 531 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,569 DCTA or not but they did update some of the bus stops at 532 00:31:13,569 --> 00:31:16,880 least they had a canopy and a bench 533 00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:22,460 but it didn't go very far so there has been there's a 534 00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:26,480 history of trying to fix this problem for sure 535 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,200 I'm sure the routes have modified as well and I don't know 536 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,160 if you travel on Ibre ever but that 537 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,980 gets pretty frequented because most of the bus routes we 538 00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:36,720 have in town now serves three human 539 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,400 teams and many of our students utilize those routes and if 540 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,319 you pass by on you know the middle 541 00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:44,950 of the afternoon there's a degrading human experience 542 00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:47,039 happening on the side of the road there 543 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,859 where there's candy than 110 degrees and there's 15 people 544 00:31:49,859 --> 00:31:51,519 waiting on the bus plus you get dropped 545 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:54,079 off on this side of what's going to be a six lane road and 546 00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:56,160 you have to get to that side with no 547 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,150 crossing infrastructure at the stop you know so there I'm 548 00:32:00,150 --> 00:32:02,960 just I don't know if this is this fun 549 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,079 but there's definitely work to be done eventually it would 550 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:09,839 be worth a couple hundred bucks right it 551 00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:15,480 would be a small I think a small cost would that what would 552 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,039 you feel about what was the initial 553 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:21,200 fund amount 554 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:28,720 when we when this was we we've had a wide range of 555 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,880 estimated revenue projections 556 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,339 the year two was four million I think we planned for four 557 00:32:37,339 --> 00:32:40,319 million and achieved less than six hundred 558 00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:43,700 thousand that year I believe so we were working on the four 559 00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:46,559 million dollar plan for a period of years 560 00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:51,539 this would be a completely new work plan that will go to 561 00:32:51,539 --> 00:32:53,039 council for approval 562 00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:57,839 whereas the four million dollar multi-year plan we carried 563 00:32:57,839 --> 00:32:59,279 out over for most of years so 564 00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:07,509 well would it be out of line to boost this estimate up just 565 00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:08,640 say another five hundred 566 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,359 thousand dollars since the program is growing 567 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,650 I would have to talk to finance and see what the revenue 568 00:33:17,650 --> 00:33:20,799 projections are that I would be curious 569 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,480 because if there's if there's an opportunity to bump it up 570 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,000 even a little I think we should take 571 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,180 advantage of that or perhaps is there a way to have 572 00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:33,599 alternatives or backups should the ROI 573 00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:37,839 deliver beyond the estimate would you have to come back for 574 00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:40,400 to us and the council for approval of 575 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,769 additional items or could we set out here's what we really 576 00:33:43,769 --> 00:33:45,680 like and should the funds exist to 577 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,880 deliver them here's kind of a prioritization of how that 578 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,200 could pass through we have planned and 579 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,759 estimated higher than revenue projections in the past so so 580 00:33:56,759 --> 00:34:00,160 we could have more dollars for projects 581 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,569 than what is actually estimated at this point and take that 582 00:34:04,569 --> 00:34:07,200 it almost could be helpful to have kind 583 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,889 of tier one our top priorities we like a lot of the 584 00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:12,719 transportation related projects as you were 585 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,699 saying we have momentum behind them perhaps there's some 586 00:34:15,699 --> 00:34:18,239 secondary interests like the bus stop question 587 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,809 just brought up that if that's allowable just to put that 588 00:34:22,809 --> 00:34:25,840 in the packet to say tier two if the funds 589 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,500 exist we can do that and then some of our programs are 590 00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:32,559 scalable so there's additional funding you can 591 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:38,309 do a bigger push forward yeah in regard to say something 592 00:34:38,309 --> 00:34:42,400 like the ev fire truck which was quite 593 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:49,039 expensive i see that as a foot in the door and ob and of 594 00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:53,440 course also i don't know what the status 595 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,429 is now but there in the past there was discussion about 596 00:34:57,429 --> 00:35:01,199 electrifying the garbage pickup trucks and 597 00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:07,789 and usually the response rightfully so is is it's not 598 00:35:07,789 --> 00:35:09,360 financially feasible yet 599 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:17,199 so i wondered if if if these projects are like the fire 600 00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:20,719 trucks electrification of the city heavy fleet 601 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,889 if that is is becoming becoming more economical and if it 602 00:35:25,889 --> 00:35:29,920 is is there a say a master plan where 603 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:36,320 by such and such a time we hope to have this this and this 604 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,119 and this and so that we actually have 605 00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:46,360 a a proposed plan of what could be if if the funding is 606 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,719 necessary so that we can say yeah 607 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:56,369 waste management would like for sees this and such and such 608 00:35:56,369 --> 00:36:00,159 and such and such would that would that be 609 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,880 i think that's something that can be built into our 610 00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:11,920 we need to update our clean policy so i think that that's 611 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,239 something that's built into that as we work 612 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:19,679 with fleet on that operationally the trash trucks weren't 613 00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:22,719 there we tested one truck and 614 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:29,030 didn't work out great for us but solid waste is open to 615 00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:31,440 trying those and i think it's good i think 616 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,139 it helps us i think it helps the manufacturer understand 617 00:36:34,139 --> 00:36:36,559 where there might have been a limitation 618 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:41,360 sure solid waste is open to electrifying other equipment so 619 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,320 there's still opportunities there 620 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,320 they purchased i guess they had four or five evs now that 621 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,559 they purchased without assistance from 622 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,940 dme has moved to some electric pto on some of the smaller 623 00:36:58,940 --> 00:37:01,440 bucket trucks and they're great 624 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,260 they can hear each other now you know it's amazing it's 625 00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:06,400 like hey i can hear the guy on the ground 626 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,760 talking to me so they're having good luck with them good 627 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,440 and i think as we get more in the fleet 628 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:19,170 folks are seeing that they work and really enjoying them i 629 00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:22,880 've noticed that the more e-bikes 630 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,199 you see around the more people start talking about and you 631 00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:29,599 start thinking well i can do that 632 00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:32,639 you know so that's the same way with lawn equipment yeah i 633 00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:34,719 see you out mowing your lawn and 634 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,360 it doesn't smell and it's not noisy where'd you get that 635 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,719 yeah what was interesting to me on that 636 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,900 graph was the highest response was people and they bought 637 00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:49,519 them for low maintenance that was a 638 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,949 practical reason of it they bought one more thing on the 639 00:37:52,949 --> 00:37:55,920 low water use stadium pilot is that restricted 640 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,969 right now to city streets like city right away is do we 641 00:37:59,969 --> 00:38:03,760 have any influence with denny county or 642 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,179 text dot for those right away that they maintain we do have 643 00:38:08,179 --> 00:38:10,800 some some of them we can actually 644 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,019 we're operating for those text that right so i can work 645 00:38:14,019 --> 00:38:15,519 with parks those are all the 646 00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:19,239 road people parts department where it is that so we're able 647 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,639 to enforce that so the roads that 648 00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:26,480 they're putting in you know by bonnie bray in 35 i was 649 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,199 surprised and disappointed see them rolling 650 00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:38,809 out big rolls of bermuda grass so we need to let you know 651 00:38:38,809 --> 00:38:42,719 whether we want to carry over existing 652 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:48,289 programs etc etc or a mix of ongoing and one-time projects 653 00:38:48,289 --> 00:38:52,159 anybody have any suggestions recommendations 654 00:38:52,639 --> 00:39:00,269 for me well i would stick largely with what you've got 655 00:39:00,269 --> 00:39:02,480 because the momentum is going and it seems 656 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,559 like a lot of positive feedback i like this idea maybe 657 00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:08,000 another tier or maybe a couple of one-time 658 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,289 things you try out just to see but the the bulk of it it 659 00:39:12,289 --> 00:39:15,360 seems like we're doing a good money 660 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,760 good work with the money so yeah i agree and as long as 661 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,199 what you said about the possibility of a 662 00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:29,159 one time when when we can say put in another program as a 663 00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:33,760 test program pilot program and 664 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,789 so that we're continually still growing the money that the 665 00:39:38,789 --> 00:39:41,599 fund as necessary for our for our needs 666 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:48,329 but i i agree with adam stay with the uh program as it's 667 00:39:48,329 --> 00:39:51,920 now okay and i'll go ahead and add to we 668 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,559 had some great conversations over the last few weeks with 669 00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:56,320 our transportation folks and our new 670 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,780 bike tech coordinator i think we've identified some 671 00:39:58,780 --> 00:40:00,719 sidewalks and bike lane gaps that we're 672 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,710 going to be able to go in and help fund those connections 673 00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:07,199 which only helps for all of our e-biking 674 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,650 pedestrian traffic to have this connectivity have that 675 00:40:11,650 --> 00:40:12,480 connectivity 676 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:19,099 does sometimes the last slide says staff recommendation i 677 00:40:19,099 --> 00:40:22,320 didn't know if it's appropriate 678 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,559 to ask what the what you all think i mean you're you're on 679 00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:29,760 the day-to-day running this 680 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,559 i like the programs that we have in place now and i do 681 00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:37,440 think that the momentum's there 682 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,980 and i don't want to lose any traction with those the 683 00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:41,920 community is really embracing them 684 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,119 it's been great i may have a recommendation for a little 685 00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:49,840 bit of change in the funding levels 686 00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:54,349 when we started we didn't know that we were going to have 687 00:40:54,349 --> 00:40:57,519 as much uptake of the e-bike so we thought 688 00:40:57,519 --> 00:40:59,400 we were going to have a little bit of room there so we may 689 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,039 want to add a little bit of funding for 690 00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:08,449 a bike for that low income um e-bike program um i think we 691 00:41:08,449 --> 00:41:10,320 could do that through vouchers 692 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,989 i've got some positive feedback about that so that may be a 693 00:41:14,989 --> 00:41:16,719 recommendation to come back with 694 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,380 the pilot for that program for next year um it'll be a 695 00:41:20,380 --> 00:41:22,639 smaller amount but definitely to try to get 696 00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:28,230 something off the ground i may recommend a little bit less 697 00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:32,000 money for the minor home repair it's just 698 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,170 a little bit more slow going than than we thought it would 699 00:41:37,170 --> 00:41:40,320 be remind us when that when did the first 700 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:45,489 actions in that program begin this past fiscal um october 701 00:41:45,489 --> 00:41:48,000 november i believe is when we started 702 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,380 doing the the audits for the applicants i think the 703 00:41:51,380 --> 00:41:55,599 applicants could apply october 1 maybe and then 704 00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:58,590 once they get approved and they go through the the audit 705 00:41:58,590 --> 00:42:00,559 program we have the energy audit come 706 00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:03,690 back and see what needs to be addressed in the home we run 707 00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:07,840 into some hiccups with some of the 708 00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:12,119 older homes with altered duct work don't work well with the 709 00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:13,599 higher efficiency 710 00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:17,760 air conditioning units so we're we're trying to figure out 711 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,239 how much disruption that is and 712 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,880 can you go in and replace the duct work now instead of 713 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,559 going with a lower efficiency 714 00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:27,690 still something that needs great sense but could we go with 715 00:42:27,690 --> 00:42:30,480 the 17 instead of the 15.2 if we have 716 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,710 right in the deck as well sorry we're learning which 717 00:42:33,710 --> 00:42:35,599 department are we working with 718 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,059 it's the minor home repair program that we're able to add 719 00:42:43,059 --> 00:42:43,760 that actually 720 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,360 did you get any feedback from the applicants maybe through 721 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,079 the surveys 722 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,099 and things that they suggest be done differently with the 723 00:42:53,099 --> 00:42:53,599 program 724 00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:58,969 i can't remember anything off the top of my head kate went 725 00:42:58,969 --> 00:43:03,119 through the survey results we asked for 726 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,269 all right that was a great question we asked mostly for 727 00:43:12,269 --> 00:43:17,519 pros and cons and if you would 728 00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:22,139 recommend to the debate but if there's we can reach out and 729 00:43:22,139 --> 00:43:25,440 ask if there's any additional feedback 730 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:31,139 okay because i guess as you said prior the update is pretty 731 00:43:31,139 --> 00:43:34,079 consistent within a general 732 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,400 demographic group of population that if we have a strong 733 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,760 base of support who've engaged in a number 734 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,530 of our programs they might be able to provide some 735 00:43:42,530 --> 00:43:45,039 substantive feedback to you know what was 736 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,159 working well or not but i guess really we're asking these 737 00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:50,320 questions like are we missing something 738 00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:53,980 in where we're allocating these resources but my only 739 00:43:53,980 --> 00:43:56,880 comment again was if we could explore 740 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,510 leaving some of that overhead from you guys i think that 741 00:43:59,510 --> 00:44:00,480 would just kind of help 742 00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:04,579 with the delivery of some of these programs and i'll let 743 00:44:04,579 --> 00:44:05,599 you guys focus on 744 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,820 what your focus areas are and if possible i will say we 745 00:44:10,820 --> 00:44:15,119 took the feedback about allowing two e-bikes 746 00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:18,670 to heart and you know i don't know how many couples get e-b 747 00:44:18,670 --> 00:44:22,559 ikes together it's really great 748 00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:26,400 like y'all are so nice to each other y'all can go high 749 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:26,400 right that's great 750 00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:33,130 that's cool anything else um i do recall a while ago we had 751 00:44:33,130 --> 00:44:35,199 a previous framework 752 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,619 that talked about like local food and now i think that's 753 00:44:38,619 --> 00:44:42,639 kind of under a land use generally and i 754 00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:46,449 know citywide there's been a focus on delivering bowling 755 00:44:46,449 --> 00:44:49,440 green and updating that i'm just curious 756 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,480 if there's any appetite to me and there was a former staff 757 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,519 member who called who was really 758 00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:57,809 working in that area as well and then we seem to have lost 759 00:44:57,809 --> 00:45:01,039 the staff is there something that we 760 00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:03,650 could focus on in that area that might be helpful in 761 00:45:03,650 --> 00:45:06,159 pushing projects or sustaining existing ones 762 00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:11,840 there may be some room to work with parks on additional 763 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,559 community garden space they're going 764 00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:20,179 to be using raised beds at bowling areas my understanding 765 00:45:20,179 --> 00:45:21,920 and i think that may give them a 766 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,980 better handle on what kind of maintenance will be needed 767 00:45:24,980 --> 00:45:27,039 going forward so we may be able to push 768 00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:30,699 that a little bit more we're still doing the level food 769 00:45:30,699 --> 00:45:33,760 programming we actually have a preserving 770 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,750 and canning and pickling series of workshops coming up 771 00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:40,559 partnering with the extension office 772 00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:45,920 it'll be a four-week program and those classes do so well 773 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,320 is there such a thing as a community pollinator garden 774 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,320 slash beekeeping community 775 00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,650 that would be cool um what are these city um and we do work 776 00:46:00,650 --> 00:46:02,960 with the different kind of beekeepers but 777 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,480 i don't know if there's an opportunity for folks actually 778 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,440 involved in planting and maintaining 779 00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:19,630 we've tried yeah i mean i've always wanted to do that my 780 00:46:19,630 --> 00:46:20,960 wife won't let me 781 00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:27,840 yeah that's wrong maybe there's other people this city had 782 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,199 them right yeah 783 00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:32,159 we used to have landfills 784 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:37,280 any other discussion 785 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,369 do you have what you need i think so we'll bring a document 786 00:46:43,369 --> 00:46:45,760 a fleshed out document to you 787 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,400 for adoption for the future great thank you 788 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,719 all right next to staff staff reports 789 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,199 over here and grab a different cap um the first memo i 790 00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:10,159 believe is about the committee 791 00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:14,559 appointment process um you requested the information about 792 00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:14,960 that 793 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,599 and all the committees operate under that board's 794 00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:23,039 information tan both in those rules 795 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,400 and if there's no questions about that then we can go i had 796 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,679 one question okay should is it is it 797 00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:39,579 all right for previous applicants who weren't appointed not 798 00:47:39,579 --> 00:47:42,880 because they were disproved but 799 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,949 because of the breakdown in the system uh should they apply 800 00:47:46,949 --> 00:47:47,440 again 801 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,730 i think anybody who's interested should fill out an 802 00:47:51,730 --> 00:47:54,000 application okay yeah 803 00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:02,000 and is it uh i don't sit ask this 804 00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:10,219 well well is there any has the system been fixed so that 805 00:48:10,219 --> 00:48:11,920 this breakdown won't happen again 806 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,809 you know whatever i really don't know what where the 807 00:48:17,809 --> 00:48:19,039 breakdown was myself 808 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:29,829 the the process is council members with vacancies are 809 00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:33,039 providing the application right and then they 810 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,820 choose to nominate to boards and commissions based on that 811 00:48:39,820 --> 00:48:41,360 list of applicants 812 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,010 right because the problem was it's the council some of the 813 00:48:47,010 --> 00:48:49,119 council people never responded 814 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,269 to the split at any rate i just hope that that's going to 815 00:48:55,269 --> 00:48:58,960 be a pass now so i that's good is that 816 00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:04,000 is that is that allowable uh this is maybe a legal question 817 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,880 if there's a vacancy and it goes to a 818 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,550 city councilor can they just let it sit there there's no 819 00:49:11,550 --> 00:49:14,320 mechanism that the city law to 820 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:22,179 compel them to fill vacancy what a full interest is long 821 00:49:22,179 --> 00:49:24,159 one um reticent to provide legal advice 822 00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:27,440 to the committee well it's just a question i'll look for 823 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,679 them interpretive question 824 00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:35,920 it's something we can discuss separately if you'd like okay 825 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,719 that's a good way to break down this 826 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,800 okay thank you for that 827 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,949 and uh is there another no we just had the memo um 828 00:49:52,949 --> 00:49:54,559 following up on some matrix items 829 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:56,800 and then the matrix 830 00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:10,800 is there a june we do with the june 831 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,119 okay anybody have anything for the matrix 832 00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:23,460 when appropriate we could we request that community 833 00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:27,039 improvement provide uh just to 834 00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:30,420 check i'm not familiar with the low-income housing program 835 00:50:30,420 --> 00:50:32,800 largely and with the what program sorry 836 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,500 the program we just discussed in the work plan the low- 837 00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:37,679 income housing to go over there um thanks as 838 00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:37,679 we deliver that which it's a big chunk of our budget it 839 00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:42,400 would be really cool to kind of see how 840 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,730 the progress is tracking how the program works what impact 841 00:50:45,730 --> 00:50:48,079 it's having there's tweaks we might consider 842 00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:52,960 leading up into next year's fiscal that would be really 843 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:53,199 cool 844 00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:57,840 we can work with them to create that 845 00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:02,159 anything else 846 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:10,849 uh i i have something um would it be possible to uh or has 847 00:51:10,849 --> 00:51:12,079 it has any 848 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:19,610 has there been any discussion or examination of city 849 00:51:19,610 --> 00:51:21,440 buildings 850 00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:29,360 municipal buildings that would be good candidates for solar 851 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,719 installation 852 00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:36,170 has there been any talk talk about that if not i'd be 853 00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:39,519 curious to know how many buildings would be 854 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,440 good for solar installations or and or parking lots too 855 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,760 we have that presentation from our facilities manager 856 00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:56,800 where he provided the list of buildings that could possibly 857 00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,000 be yeah an option has there been any 858 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,869 update on that or especially the the parking lot i don't 859 00:52:04,869 --> 00:52:07,760 know if he discussed parking lots did he 860 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,829 i don't recall i'm i think the back end is just check yeah 861 00:52:12,829 --> 00:52:13,840 presentation yeah 862 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,039 anybody anything else 863 00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:39,719 all right with that at what time is it 152 152 at 152 we 864 00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,719 will adjourn all in favor of a journey 865 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,719 we are